Apr 13, 2026 Historic Landmark Commission on 2026-04-13 5:30 PM

See it's 5.30 so I'm going to go ahead and call this meeting to order. So I'll just note to those of you who have a couple of instances tonight, that may change a little bit of a flex, but so let's call things to order and let's go ahead and do it. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. On the flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible. I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one state under God, one and indivisible. Alright so let's look at our order, second order business on our agenda, we want to see if there are any presentations for members of the public, has anyone turned in a card? I'm seeing no one present. I don't see any public. Nope. Still no public. I mean we have public, but no one is here for public comment session. So what we'll do is we'll go ahead to item three for consideration and so we're going to begin with item A and that is HLC 26-020 and we're going to consider approval for the March 2nd minutes. I'm in for approval. Council person, I mean committee member Schuman is in for approval, has been seconded by John Black. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? So it passes. Alright, very good. Moving on to item B, HLC 26-018, see if we report all the discussion and give staff direction regarding proposed code amendments related to sub-chapter nine. Okay. Definitions of the City Development Code. So staff in regards to this definition sub-chapter, as these definitions are going to City Council, as staff would propose that you all postpone this to a date certain of the next meeting so that we would have all commissioners present since City Council will have to be voting on these changes. And so having all commissioners present then they'll feel that you know there's been solid feedback from every commissioner on HLC. Not finding some of my notes, happily seconded. Alright, well we need a motion to a motion. Do we have a second? A second. We got a second. Great. So all in favor of postponing to our next meeting, reach your hand. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Very good. Okay. So we've got that bit of business. We'll make sure that we get adequate feedback from the entirety of our commission. Alright. Well let's move on to our work session then. So that would be HLC 26-015, whole discussion regarding the next steps in the designation of the research subcommittee and community outreach subcommittee to assist in establishment of a potential new local historic district generally located along the Northern Elm Street and North Locust Street corridors between West McKay Street and West University Drive. Do we have any updates, news, information? I'm kind of glad that John is not here so the lab report will not seem terribly briefed by comparison. But I have started setting up some interviews basically when you're doing coffee with some of you who are more familiar with the, you know, not in the books history of that area. You know, Mike Cockrum, the Couple of Dones, Sleeping Lizards, still trying to get in touch with the family that is rated as spinning wheels owners, no success there yet, but hopefully I will have more interesting things to report next time, but progress is going forward. Excellent. Well, I can say for the outreach that we're waiting on your lead. So you've identified some targets, and we're certainly more than happy to follow up on that now. That sounds great. Excellent. Any other news, information? Is he still working on his? Yeah. Last time I saw him, it was very impressive. I do have a question pertaining to the legal aspects of how the subcommittee would interact. So if I set up a coffee with someone, you know, like say, Mike Cockrum, a chuckle or something like that, and John is not free to attend, can one of the outreach committees then go with me? So it's still only two commissioners, even though there's one from each subcommittee. I think you just need to be careful how you update each other. Okay. Like I would, I think you two can go, but I don't think you can send an email to both subcommittees. Okay. I think I'd ask that each of you update your own subcommittees. Great. We can both attend, but then we have to fill their thoughts separately and report them through proper channels. Right. It's a good way to lock in court. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. Very good. Anything else? Questions? Comments? Statements? Are we going to take a brief haiku? Are there non-brief haikus? I can open that up. That took me a minute. That's right. Well, great. Okay. Well, let's head to our next work session item then, HLC 26-016, and that is Receive Report, Hold the Discussion, and Give Staff Direction on the Historic Landmark Commission's Request for Local Historic Designation of Eligible Historic Properties. I got nothing. Any new stuff? No. Okay. I can jump in real quick, just letting you know that last week, the 4203 Kendalf Drive went to PNZ. Obviously, there was, I don't know if anyone watched that, there was some discussion regarding tax exemptions, everything. I kind of sent them email, I sent them video links after the fact showing that there has been discussions about historic tax exemptions that have occurred. And so PNZ now has that in their email, in their mailboxes, sorry, words right now, in boxes. And so just wanted to let you know that that was kind of part of the discussions, tax exemptions did pop back up. So it's just getting back on staff right now. Excellent. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Glad to hear that. All right, let's move along to our next item then, this HLC 26-017, let's hold discussion regarding the Historic Landmarks Commission's Project Matrix. Yes. Take us back into the matrix. Yeah. So the Park Play Station, regarding some additional further research, staff's working on that. That will be scheduled for our May 11th meeting. Obviously, with regards to the definitions, we'll be bringing that forward back at the May 11th meeting. And then with the FAQ, I sent that earlier today. So if you all have any comments or anything, feel free to email me personally, and I can make some adjustments to the FAQ, but just remember not to CC everyone so that we don't have that walking quorum. Obviously, we're still having that ongoing discussion about the possible creation of a historic designation for the two corridors, and then incentivizing historic preservation. We put that on pause about a year ago now due to just kind of the budget deficit that we were seeing. But hopefully, we can bring that back up once we see kind of that there's been some increase in our budget. And then if anyone has anything else to add that they want to add to the matrix, but that's where we're currently at. It's good to me, for now. Any other thoughts, ideas, comments? Questions? All right, hold steady then, and onward ho. All right, our next item in our work session is HLC 26-019, Historic Landmark Commission to Hold an Editorial Workshop to Finalize the Commission's Informal Advisory Statement to City Council about Historic Preservation Matters that are Related to the Future of the Denton Women's Club Building within Quaker Town Park. Does anyone need to do a little review of- Kamri, do you want to set the stage? Sure, so before you all start, as stated in the caption, it is an editorial workshop just amongst the commissioners themselves. Staff are not able to participate in the discussion. We will be here just to ensure that you all are following Texas Open Meetings Act and staying on topic. But otherwise, as stated, we will not be participating. Great. I think a tiny asterisk is if you have a technical question that we can step in, but otherwise, yeah, we're here to support you from the sidelines. We're here to support you from the sidelines. That's nice. Yeah. Great. But I do want to go ahead, and I did make notes in the document that was shared with you all in advance that we did have some guidance that's important to keep in mind regarding what's going to follow and some of our editorial discussions, and that is that even though we voted unanimously to provide an informational advisory statement, we have been advised and have to take into consideration that this is something that does not, number one, involve use, at least not specifically and directly, that our concerns are related to Quicker Town Park matters and historic reservations, purely informational, and so to focus instead on the background. So with those things in mind, I will just say that one of the things that I tried to keep in mind in doing this is that it is information heavy. I mean, there's a lot in there, with links even, hopefully that helps address some of the questions and concerns. So I'll just see what you guys want to do. Yeah, go ahead. Okay, Sean, the information is amazing. The overall flow that you and Lily put together is amazing. I think it needs two things on page one to increase efficacy of the document. First of all, we are correctly noting that we have no authority to officially weigh in this issue, but if we are going to actually have the council have a chance of reading this, we then need to pretty quickly follow up with either a informational or ethical argument for why they should read this. It doesn't have to be anything big, just two to four sentences, no more than a paragraph, and I have some thoughts on that. The second thing is, I know how big our prep packets are, I can only imagine what the city council packets look like. So unfortunately, I think the odds of getting to read the full five, six-page thing are somewhat minimal. I recommend an executive summary of one to two paragraphs. Since you two did the entire document, I think you are the best ones for executive summary. I did have some thoughts into how we could possibly justify our, basically if you convey to the council that we have something to say and they should listen to us, and here is how I phrase that for this, feel free to kick this around. Let's see, this has been prepared not with any statute of authority, but as a civic body appointed by you, the city council, with a mandate to think often and deeply upon matters of history and how that pertained to Denton, as commissioners, we are very different people from very different backgrounds and appointed by very different council members, but we are unanimous in agreeing that this issue was of special significance to Denton and its history, that we should put that thinking often and deeply upon the matters of history to good use in this document. We hope the information herein will assist councillors in making the decisions regarding this matter. But yeah, just to remind you, communications background, I think saying this has no official link and moving on the document itself is not a good way to get people to actually read it. Okay? For the subject, so background, I would probably stick it right after background, right after we talk about legal advice, NHLC has no mandate in dictating property use, you know, it's like, here's what we officially cannot do, here's why it should still matter to you. Okay, I'm trying to think, do I need to do something to subject, I'm trying to follow the format that's usually used in these. Okay. Can we attack it almost like a, like a second paragraph on our background, yeah, it's still part of the background of the document as well. We're going to have to do that first and then next. Part of me is tempted, I feel like we're a little more responsible if we say what we can't do, we'll say what we can't do. Sure. You know, that way, you know, if nobody reads that first bit and thinks we're going over our heads and gets upset, okay, you want me to, I mean, it's still made like, you know, take them and do it like, I mean, that point. It's the point is to do it live. Is to do it live. Yes. Okay, my man. Okay, what am I typing in? And then you all can, what's your, how you're supposed to type? You type after the name? I have no idea. Well, we're about to find out. We are. We're about to find out. Okay. So let me get input while he's doing that on, for you all, from you all about, yeah, here's some type of executive summary. We might be able to do that in a kind of one sentence. We'll see how this pans out because this might actually help. 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So, I'm thinking, and especially for simplicity's sake, and that's what I mean, something like that is going to take time to craft, because that's, I mean, how I work. I'm pretty good talking on the fly, but I'm also a very wordy bastard, so that's the things that we've got going on. So, if you have an executive summary, is that to do maybe sentence one, sentence two, sentence three, and do this with, as something that says, here's the historic summary, one sentence, here's kind of the history discussion, one sentence, and then, now, given the tone and tenor, because this is another thing, since I'm applying heavily on informational advisory. So, one of the things that's called attention to that Lenny and I discussed is that there hasn't been enough focused, specific public discussion on the building, and its place within the Quickertown narrative, and those two things are kind of hand in hand. There's been some of, there's been actually a lot of discussion about Quickertown itself, but this specific has not had the, it's day in and day out. So, for the executive summary, I guess that's what I'm leaning towards, is to say that it's our belief, or it's our thought that this is something that deserves more specific, dedicated attention on behalf of both the public and the county, something along those lines. That sounds good. The big picture question is, if this is on an uncertain line as far as what the council's doing stuff, are the benefits of the executive summary worth it, or is speed the number one priority here? And I don't know the answer to that. Speed. I mean, obviously, if something decisive occurs in the next month, then we lose by trying to, basically, we left the perfect between any of the good. Well, I mean, I'll just be honest with you that, from my understanding and knowledge of how the process is working, I mean, a lot of the things that are happening with council are discussions and negotiations are happening in closed session, so we don't know. But it keeps getting put on the agenda to go in front of council, but by the time it goes in front of council, then it kind of gets an up or down treatment. Does that make sense? Yeah. So the point of an informational advisory is to be in as early as possible in the gate so that that's helping to inform discussion we're having in closed sessions, right? However, there is nothing at all precluding that something, they can make a decision. I mean, that's the thing. The next city council meeting is literally next week. And so I do know from what they've written that it is on the agenda, has it been finalized? Because I don't think they finalized those things until later this week. So yes, so the balance is. I mean, in that case, maybe the best option is just to scrap the executive summary and go with what we got. In which case, we're only receiving the feedback of 4 out of 7, which is technically fine. But still. Yeah, I understand. So just kind of providing you guys maybe two options, since I know that there's terms of you all want to kind of get this to city council in a timely fashion. So option one would be you would draft it today, send it on behalf of HLC. Essentially, I noticed that not all HLC members were present for the drafting of this final letter, but that there had been agreed upon date last month that the whole commission did want to send a letter. Option two would you all would be the commissioners here today agreeing on the content, Commissioner Treat redrafting the letter, then send me it to staff aka myself. I would be CC you all. You all would read the letter, say I agree with this letter or I don't agree with this letter, and then it would be sent to city council from there if all commissioners agreed. And there could be no discussion at that point. There can't be any discussion by email or increment. I would be part of those options. I acknowledge the possibility you could put something totally out of left field in there. I don't think you're going to. I will. I think an executive summary would be helpful. Okay. All right. Let's try something like this. Let me just put down. Can I have a piece of unsolicited advice from someone who used to write a lot of essays? Always welcome. The executive summary is easiest to write at the end of the letter. Because you'll have gone through and decided what's important and what needs to say. And you'll have discussed each piece of the content. This has been the end of unsolicited advice. That's good. That's actually the best writing advice, right? So let's try this. How about I propose that maybe we can expect this. What if I read through and go through this document? Okay. You guys take some notes in terms of highlighting that you think, right? What we think is most important. Here are the most important things, right? And then what we can do is hang around. You open to that? Definitely open to that. All right. Let's give it a run. Okay. So and again, so part of this was having the kind of accepted format that I was trying to replicate in all these types of reports that I've seen. And this of course is a kind of unique document in terms of that. So you can be a little loosey-goosey. So background. So first some historic context, then followed by a brief review of relevant background context regarding this informational advisory. We will advise that HLC has no mandate to dictate dictating property use specifically with this advisory statement. And then we have the paragraph that was added by Mr. Black. So the historic context of Quickertown. Between the 1870s and 1921, Quickertown grew into a thriving African-American business and residential district on approximately 32 acres of creek-adjacent floodplains, just a few blocks northeast of the Denton County Courthouse Square. Near a few months before the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre destroyed the black community. However, something similar happened in Texas. By 1918, 80 black families lived in the Quaker with its own school, general store, doctor's office, a druggist, three restaurants, two hotels, a funeral home, several churches, a black mason's entertainment hall, and more. That same year, the Confederate Confederacy Chapter 853 in Denton erected a 1918 monument on the courthouse honoring Confederate veterans, even as it became deeply involved in city sanitation initiatives. Two years later, 1920, President Browley of the growing College of Industrial Arts for Women, situated just a block away from Quickertown District, promoted the notion that Denton "could rid the college of the menace of the Negro quarters in close proximity in a business way." Plans for such city beautification was spearheaded by the Denton City Federation of Women's Clubs, established in 1913, the same year that the Frederick Douglass School burned down the ministry's clan room in Carson, and quickly gained strength among Denton's white leaders in the Chamber of Commerce and civic groups who wanted a new city park on that side. It's also noteworthy that early, that that would be the Denton City Federation of Women's Clubs leadership, including numerous influential United Daughters of the Confederacy members directing initiatives. In 1921, the city held a $75,000 bond election to pay for the project, and the park movement side won by 367-240 in a mere 127 votes. Because of Jim Crow segregation laws, Quickertown residents were not allowed to vote on their future, and had no voice in that action. City bond money was then used to buy land at steeply undervalued rates for Quickertown's homes and businesses, offering to move them or seize them through imminent domain. The 80 black families that once lived there were evicted, many moving, moving to underdeveloped pasture, land, and Solomon Hill that had no electricity, running water, sewage, or city service. Nor did blacks have access to the city park, despite their taxes also funding the initiatives. Denton's Ku Klux Klan, cladder number 136, was very likely populated by city leaders and law enforcement officials, actively intimidated the terrorized population in compliance and submission, both before and after the bond election. After the city parkland was raised by 1923, the very first structure built on the property was the 1928 Women's Club Building, as a reward for the group's central role in their toward and came to the city park bond. The city property was proffered to the Denton City Federation of Women's Clubs in an odd 99-year lease agreement for $1, which also notably acquiesced total control of the building to property and its use by the at-the-time exclusively black Women's Club and New Park City Parks Committee. The signed final contract was built within the weeks of the already constructed building's completion in 1928. Ongoing research on the Quakers' inhabitants of this township within the town that grew out of Denton's other segregated Freedman Colony district has continued to document its incredible historic significance and importance in understanding the city's remarkable growth and development. And there's a full quote that basically says, basically establishes that the City Federation of Women's Clubs were instrumental in establishing the park system. And so the background context, the next part, the first part, which is about history, and this is the background context relevant to discussions. As mentioned, let's say relevant to contemporary discussion regarding the interpretation and functions of historically designated buildings should certainly include an awareness of past public input, suggestions of city actions, input from African-American residents and Quaker town descendants certainly needs to be especially highlighted to rectify recurrent inequalities in past injustices. Quite commendably, both the City of Denton and its caretakers of history have demonstrated much courage in attempting to preserve and commemorate Quaker town's legacy. The City of Denton Historic Marker was erected in 1991, the State of Texas Historic Designation was installed, was actually crafted in 2010, and Denton County Museums along with other city libraries have been active in preservation and education work at the Courthouse on the Square Museum and nearby Denton County Historic Park. So here's a summary overview of Permanent City efforts related to both Quaker town park and the Women's Club. So first bullet point that Civic Center Park was officially renamed Quaker Town Park in 2006 to acknowledge and honor that recovered black history and 2024 in Texas Historic Marker was installed Civic Center Park. December 5th, 2025, informal staff report summarized a prior action review, so this of course was them saying, okay, so here's the prior discussions that we have. There was a 2022 work session explored commemorating Quaker town residents through memorial markers, museum concepts, and a healing garden. Council directed staff to incorporate a permanent plan to downtown master plan. Then designed downtown Denton plan in 2024. That was an adopted version for Quaker town park redesign approved by council and including quote historical monuments and remembrance features. However, no changes were proposed to the Women's Club. And then the ensuing discussion, and this would have been in December, December 5th of last year 2025. And this is a direct quote from that document. The Women's Federation was formally approached the city to request a renewal of the lease, which expires August 2026. In response, city staff are conducting due diligence, including evaluating fair market value, lease terms, and working collaboratively with the Women's Federation to explore a range of renewable options. This time city staff cannot intend to bring forward alternative uses for the building. Instead, city staff will present lease renewal options for city council considerations. So, the things of note, and this is what I was mentioning from our discussions. Although the 1928 Women's Club building was not specifically discussed in any of these prior meetings, nor was it even proffered as a possible topic of discussion or recollections of several entities, including the April 2024 Quaker town park redesign workshop. Most of the citizen focus was on the same goal. Thus, the 1928 Women's Club building has been so far exempted from explorations regarding to clearly express desire of Black men residents in Quaker town property and public community accessors for, and in return to the quote, memorial markers, museum concepts, and other interpretive historical remembrance features to be incorporated as part of the approved permanent memorial for the Quaker town park redesign, and that was already approved. The designed downtown Denver plan, approved by city council in September 2024, and this is the one that was documented, that's what the wing is for, similarly emphasizes as key goal number one to recognize the past, which involves telling full histories and acknowledging injustices, because telling the documented world history that we know so far in the Quaker town park is necessary to set a frame of reference. And from an interview, there's one notable Quaker town descendant who's recently remarked, and this was in the Quaker town USA documentary. He said, "I was robbed of my generational wealth of my great grandparents on the property of Oakland happening in the Congress," Clark said. "All those properties are gone, and I didn't know of that." So while white city leaders promoted the creation of city park as justification for the removal of Quaker, the area remained largely vacant for decades. The Denver Women's Club, one of the early supporters of the city park, constructed a building along the east side of Oakland Street in 1928. The destruction of Quaker has had a lasting impact on its residents and their descendants. It not only resulted in a loss of homes and businesses, but also disrupted the establishment of generational wealth and shattered a close-knit community that was under decades of segregation and discrimination. Furthermore, this history and its impact was largely unfold for decades. While recognition has begun within the city and its institutions, additional action is needed. Now, that is a direct pull quote, we'll see here, that might perhaps act as an executive summary of sorts because that is pulled directly from a design downtown Denver final report between pages, granted, between pages 40 and 58. So again, we're talking about, like, there's a lot of, that's where I pulled those things together from that report, but that seemed to be super important in person and therefore of historic interest because that's exactly what they're speaking to in that passage. So then that leads us to the finale, which is discussion, this is the informational advisory suggestions or recommendations. So one, historical significance and interpretation of Quaker Town, of city, county and state has been impressive and valuable, but yet still today this work remains ongoing and incomplete. So again, express need, right? Part two, design downtown Denver was adopted by city council 2024 to update Denver's comprehensive plan and in that final report, again, the consultants working closely identify, recognize the past as priority number one for Quaker Town Park. So indeed, this should be taken as a true north principle to guide city and HLC discussions regarding all of its property structures and strategic plans with direct input from Denver's African American communities and Quaker Town center. And then point three or four, now that we know better, commissioner of Pullman city council, Mary McAnam's remark didn't needs to do better. So major lingering concerns raised regarding the interpretation, adequate memorialization of Quaker Town Park and its properties include crucial issues regarding adequacy, fairness, and sustainability. So adequacy is the full story told, right? Fairness, black, black citizen has historically been disenfranchised and excluded from public decisions and they should play a central role in interpretation of memorialization of Quaker Town Park and their views need to be included in prioritizing public liberation. But then sustainability, historic preservation can only succeed if sustainability is a focus on undertold historic aspects could open opportunities for state and federal economic incentives, grant funding, tourism revenue for the city and women's club property, which HLC committee would enthusiastically encourage and support. And then here therefore discussing expansion scope of the purpose for historic location might offer some exciting opportunities for addressing these issues of access, fairness, and sustainability. One possibility could be for the city to partner and repurpose historic women's club building into a memorial site that both interprets the past as a rebranded Quaker hall, but also creating an inclusive public space within the downtown district to give these stories and thereby expand the women's club caretaker partnerships as a rental space for southeast end organizations, seminars, community markets, destination programs that can generate revenue as a historic cultural heritage site for the city. So last sentence, reintegrating the historic functions in the site as a unifying community hub would be a significantly meaningful action, which also expands sustainable funding sources. So that's five pages. Is there anything that strikes y'all? I have several things. Excellent. I'm 90% certain that the name of the building is women's club, not women's club. That might've been a misspelling. All through it. I mean, it's consistently women's club, but it is. Oh, I see what you're saying. It's a women's club with an A not an E. Yeah, it should be women's. No, women's. A woman apostrophe S is the name of the building. It's not the women's club. It's woman's apostrophe woman, apostrophe S club building. Okay. You double check that. Yeah. So that's all through it. Okay. Right. Right. Yep. There was a sentence. I'm sorry. I don't know what page, but about the section on Ku Klux Klan. Yes. And how it said something about very likely city leaders. Right. Just wonder if we want to. Okay. Very likely populated by city leaders and law enforcement officials. I expect that it is. I have no doubt that it's true, but I think that sounds a bit subject. Okay. And they also will quote some that I'm sure we all know. I'm saying a lot of those people's families are still prominent in town and don't like to be reminded of that. Right. Well, I don't know that that's necessary or is there a different way to say it? Because well, just mentioning that the claim is also actively intimidating. But if you want, it's really the very likely that strikes me. So is there a way possibly that would get the point across, but not be. Okay. Since that's not anything we can prove in this. Okay. Potentially. Possibly simple. Okay. But that's me. Well, I agree. And I'm okay if everybody else is fine. I can strike that. Yeah. So just wait. I mean, you're not addressing the Klan reference. You're just pointing out that we're making a supposition about leadership. Yes. And we're very likely they were. Well, they probably were. I can see that second point is not essential to get the point across. Okay. And the only other question I had. And I didn't start looking soon enough. And I said, you know, all the women's club up there. You'll understand. Is black and white always capitalized throughout? There are for sure a couple of times where black is not. Right. And there are some times where it is. And same with white. In fact, I just jot it down. 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Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Then get briefly explain the link between the women's club building and Quaker town. Well, you know, while also honoring the many positive accomplishments of women's clubs in later decades, which is absolutely true. I think that's probably doable to paragraphs. What does that sound overly ambitious? I can't do that. I mean, I can't, I cannot sit here and do two paragraphs. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I can't do that. Okay. No, I, I, I understand what you're, I understand what you're saying. I'm not disagreeing with that in the least. I'm just saying that for me, I'm not going to be able to, unless you tell me what to write, I can write that. Okay. Otherwise, I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to have time to craft something. Yeah. You understand? Cause I can either transcribe or I can put together something. I mean, how long do we, how long do we want to sit here today? I don't think the appetite is for all night. And that's what I'm trying to figure out. Do we, do we want to, do I want to create an executive summary that gets the points that you're giving me and bring it back next time? And then we'll have a full group that can remember we have the option. We wouldn't be able to discuss in the same way. Right. Right. But we do have the option of taking what we've done to this point, drafting the executive summary, emailing it, and then essentially getting seven or however many approvals of the letter. Um, you know, essentially saying like, if, if there are, if it's not approved by enough people, then we would have to bring it back and discuss and craft. Right. Right. Right. Flag on the play. I was corresponding with a senior attorney who reminded me that approving something via email is essentially giving staff direction outside of an open meeting and therefore it's real gray and we don't love it. So it's either tonight or May 11. Or potentially a special called meeting. I don't agree with that. And it'd be pretty much just be coming in here and fixing. Right. For a special meeting. That's my understanding. If it were called just for that purpose. Yes, calling special meeting. That's what we're discussing. Correct. Yeah. We would just have to determine if you are, if we're able to, if you all were able to get quorum in between the two meeting dates. Survey. Yeah. Yeah. We could send out a survey for that, I guess, to essentially the next four, I guess we have four weeks to work with. Including this week, apparently with that. So technically we'd have three weeks if we were included. Thank you, Haley. Thanks for that. We can send a survey to all commissioners with several options updates. And then we can say we're going to all respond and call a special meeting for just this. We would just need to make sure that staff is able to meet the state requirements of posting three days in advance. And then we'll be in town in the morning until the weekend anyway. In the interim, are we all allowed to work in language or just Sean? I believe just Sean and Commissioner McAdams as they were the original ones. I think you can utilize the original text and make edits to that. Okay. But I don't believe. I'm just concerned about like walking arm style things. So, like, if you work on language and sent it to sent it sent it to vice chair tree, that would be three. But if anyone else did that, we'd have a lot of trouble. If and this is a big if this is not something I pre discussed with staff, but please feel free to say no. If staff is amenable to collecting edits and then distributing them in the packet for our next meeting, I think that could be acceptable. I'm happy to do that. I would just I will just provide I would just need to provide the commission with a date of when I need that inside. You know, the only thing that I would be contributing my crack at exactly. Sorry. The only thing I'm going to say, though, that quote from Lenny about now we don't know what to do better. That really needs to be featured prominently in the report. So maybe the first page, you know, that's a little bit, you know, maybe not professional, but it's impactful. I would use that as a whole book very high on privacy recency. So that's one of the reasons I saved it for the punch line. Okay. Right. But again, depending upon styles of writing. Yeah. Again, given all of everything the councils are reading, I'm not sure how many we're going to make with punch line. Understood. So. Well, I'm perfectly fine with it. As since we had discussed us, Lenny and I crafting it and then turning to Mr. Black for some editorial guidance. He decides on executive summary. I'm comfortable with you crafting the executive summary. Okay. Yeah, I'm happy to use the low capacity. Maybe that speeds things along that way. I don't have to do things on the spot. Because like honestly, getting this down for it to like a compact life pitches. Okay. So is that consensus have an executive summary crafted and we'll use the Sherry share things for people to. See it and then. Well, then the next time or approve or does it get approved and then I kind of got lost. We can't approve. Right. In writing. So we'd have a special call meeting. Can I suggest. Well, we're all here. And while we're collecting potential topics for future edits, future drafts. I just want to leave some space for any commissioners who haven't shared any talking points that they had from their their read through the drafts to go ahead and do so. Is there like any. Yeah. And if no, that's great. I didn't have any specifically. It was more educational for me than anything. There. I mean, as you were kind of reading through, I was thinking again from somebody who was like learning from the letter that I think some sort of like. Like the order of things that seems pertinent potentially. I don't know if it makes sense in executive summary, but essentially the president of the college asked to read the minutes. And then that's that sort of started this process where I mean, I do think it's hugely significant to call out in the executive summary that the Federation of Women, you know that they were spearheading efforts and then rewarded for those efforts. And the and then I think also it's just important to highlight that the community that was most impacted didn't have a voice and that's what we're trying to trying to provide some space for voice. Yeah. No vote. Yes. And Mr. Black, you do need to just double check. I did catch on. I was working on a notes version of the executive summary. Yeah, that's right. If you want as part of my thing, I will go through and see what I can do. All right, oh my goodness. Okay. Yeah. Even though it wasn't the first one's clubs, I think it may just be the women's club building singular. Yeah. That's the woman's post BS club. Usage has changed over the years, according to kids. Can you tell me to delete the s on cloud? No, it's on their website. It's women's club. There's a club up there for the dollar. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think that what we've decided is that we're going to draft. You're going to draft. You won't send it to Cameron and Cameron will send it to us. For discussion at whenever the next meeting. We're not doing a special call. I'm sorry. You're going to pull. I mean, unless there's more workshop, I don't know that we. I don't know what we're going to do with that. So to clarify and reiterate it. So what we've decided is that we're going to have. John Black is going to draft the executive summary. And what we're going to do is two things. Following this meeting. There's going to be. A pulse enough for them. To either call a. Special meeting. And, or just wait. Regular meeting. In order to. To be able to be able to. We'll be able to. Had them sent from Cameron to be able to view them. Right. But then we need to come together. Whether it's a special call meeting. Or may. For us to discuss it. Together. Okay. That's correct. Okay. All commissioners, if you have like, if you find some comments that need to be moved around or any of those things, send it to Cameron. And that will be part of the packet for the next meeting. So any edits. Okay. It all comes and goes. Cameron is. Okay. So I'm not sure how we end the work session. If those are the march towards the work session, do we vote? And then. We don't really have anything to. There's no action. There's no action. You've gone around the horn and confirmed everyone said their piece. That's what I really did. Yeah. So staff will send out. Dates. To see if we can get. Or more. To have a special called meeting. If not, then we will. The discussion will take place. Excellent. So that email. Okay. Fantastic. So. About our meeting on Monday afternoons that all the options need to be. I would assume not Monday afternoons, but whether it's. We're maybe sending the lunchtime option and. Five 30 option, you know, different days, just to see. We can hit the most people. Yep. Because it's a special call meeting and doesn't have to be. So it's a special call meeting. And then we'll have the options and then hopefully. You can come up with a date and time that works for you guys. I love you thinking about lunch. Okay, fantastic. So I guess we're ready to move then on to concluding it. Let's see. Okay. So I believe. Briefly mentioned last meeting that we were. Awarded the national park service grant to do a historic resource survey in Southeast Denton. So we are finishing going through the RFQ process for that. That we can hopefully start the kickoff in summertime. But we're, we're chugging along on that. So just want to give you all an update on that. And then hopefully in May or special call, whenever it lands, we can celebrate hopefully another historic designation. Right. I'll just also want to remind everybody. We've seen the schedule for the preservation month. Very exciting. It's going to be a lot of really cool stuff. Coming up. Yes. Thank you, commissioner tree. And I'm you all should have received the calendar invites for the ones that you all had stated that you were interested in. But then also where we might have possible quorum. Those have been noticed that there's a possible quorum has been posted. And noticed. That you all are kind of aware that you guys are welcome to go to those events. Obviously if there's other events that you want to attend. You are allowed to do that. But if, if there's a bunch of y'all there and there's about, if there's four of y'all there. I would kindly ask that one of you all. Maybe excuse yourself. Just since we were posted. If there's no other business. Any other business. Again, I'll leave room open for.