WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.000 I just need a map in there. 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.799 Okay, we'll get started. 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:07.200 Thank you everyone. 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:08.599 Today's presenter. 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:10.859 (laughing) 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:16.800 So today is Tuesday, July 7th, 2026. 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:18.679 It is 1204. 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:20.920 I hope everyone had a great Easter holiday. 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.600 And with that, I will call the city of Dinton side 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:26.719 of the meeting order. 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:32.000 And we in front of the court, 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:33.600 let it be noted we have four. 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:34.439 - Okay. 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:35.280 - So go ahead. 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:37.000 - The joint meeting of the board of trustees 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.320 of Dinton ISD will be held April 7th, 2026, 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:41.679 beginning at 12 p.m. 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:44.960 in the city of Dinton development services business. 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.399 401 North Homes Street, Dinton, Texas 76201. 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:50.159 The subjects discussed, 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:52.039 the subjects to be discussed are considered 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.200 or upon which any formal action may be taken 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:56.520 are as listed below. 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:59.640 Items do not have to be taken in order shown 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.280 on the meeting notice unless removed 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.760 from the consent agenda items identified 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:08.120 with the consent agenda will be acted on at one time. 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.200 And so we'll do a call to order and we do have a form. 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:14.640 - Great, okay. 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:18.439 And then so the first item on the work session agenda 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:23.439 is 3A ID 260209 receive a forehold discussion 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:26.840 regarding Dinton ISD construction 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:29.239 at Borman Elementary School. 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:30.599 - Thank you Mayor. 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.200 Brandon Boyder, Executive Director of Construction 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.560 is gonna update on Borman 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:41.200 and how ready it's going to be come August, right? 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:43.760 - Absolutely, absolutely. 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:44.599 - All the time. 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:45.840 - I'm sure everybody knows where it's at. 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.959 Everybody drives by it pretty often. 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.480 Borman is coming along, I would say. 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.280 I think we're within two weeks of the appropriate date 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:57.400 on the schedule. 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:59.200 We go through it a little bit here. 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:01.200 There we go. 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:04.079 I don't know that you really care about all these. 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:05.319 We are talking about Borman, 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.639 but we listed all the projects 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.360 that we currently have in our queue. 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:11.599 If it says in progress, 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:14.000 obviously the project is in progress. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:15.039 If it says permitting, 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.439 we're either going through permitting with the city right 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:17.719 now 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:20.520 or we are going through final drawings, 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:21.919 but we're in the permitting phase 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.319 that all of those projects have been bid out, 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.280 taken to the board for approval. 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.120 That's kind of how we list them 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.039 in the progress or in the permitting. 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.280 So you can see there's quite a few projects 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.639 there on our queue for 26, 27, 28. 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:38.719 On Borman, 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.719 little picture here of November of 2025. 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:45.560 The top picture, you can kind of see where that is. 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.680 It's an ICF construction project. 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:49.639 The walls are up and in November, 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.400 we really didn't have a roof on most of the facility. 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.080 You can see on the bottom photo there, 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.400 we are in the dry, all the windows are in, 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.360 the roof's on, cat sheet's not on, 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.560 but the roof is in the dry. 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:03.879 The only portion of the building that is left open 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:05.120 is right there in the middle. 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.599 And that really is just so that we can get to the courtyard 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:09.560 since this building does have a courtyard. 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:10.919 We do have to get heavy equipment 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:12.159 in and out of that courtyard. 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:14.840 So that's kind of why you see the courtyard there 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:18.120 or that front of the building that is still open. 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.680 All the work going on, I won't bore you with all that. 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.639 You can find all of this stuff on our website, 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.280 but really what that says is there's a lot of people 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:29.479 in this job every day working to get it to completion. 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.120 The corners of the inside, 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:35.840 as well as the courtyard, the bottom photo, 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:39.479 there is the courtyard with some heavy equipment in there. 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.080 So interior, you can see finishes are already going up 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:43.240 in certain areas. 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.840 Certain areas, I would say, are more in the dry than others 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.319 because of that center section being left open, 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:50.039 but we do have temporary walls in there 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:51.879 so that we can work on those areas. 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:56.400 Photo of the courtyard from the second floor. 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.680 The bottom photo there is the gymnasium, 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:03.000 or that's what we want to call it, recreational area, 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.879 and that is the spot that we do have an office there 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:07.039 for the city. 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:07.879 We'll have an office there 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:09.919 for after school activities in that area. 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.680 This would have been a video of Loughborough, 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.759 but it just kind of gives you an idea of where we at. 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:22.759 Obviously the original warman or this way you can't see it, 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.079 the whole plan, after we finish warman, 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:27.600 we will then go into the tearing down of the old warman 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.519 and then construct the city's soccer field 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.120 as agreed upon up in that area 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.279 and all the fixing that goes with that. 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:38.319 Any questions on that? 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:39.839 Yes, ma'am. 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.279 - I don't know if you have this information 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.000 as the oversee of the construction, 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:47.079 but can you talk about the capacity at the current site 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.240 and then the capacity at this new and improved? 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:51.959 - Yeah, typically we like to say 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:53.480 that our current elementary's, 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.839 the capacity is somewhere in the 750 range. 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:59.480 Obviously that is massaged a little bit. 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.519 Nowadays with collaboration spaces 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:04.319 and all the special programs that go into the school, 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.759 those numbers have to shake out a little bit, 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:10.439 but 750 is what we typically say that design 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:12.279 or elementary's will hold. 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.759 This building will be able to hold about nine when it's 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:16.199 total 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.439 and it's not that it has that many more classrooms, 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:21.639 it's that it has some small group instruction spaces 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:23.399 that are in the old building, 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.279 we're having to use a complete classroom for 12 kids 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.319 and we built some of those for the smaller. 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.240 So we take a little bit more efficient use of the building. 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:34.600 Suzanne, do you have anything on that? 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:36.480 - I was gonna say that we're also building 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:38.160 on for four pre-K classrooms. 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:39.480 - That's correct. 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.839 - So a building, say 10 years ago, 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.480 we didn't build four pre-K classrooms inside 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:50.360 and we've added that into our newer footprints as well. 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:51.720 - And may I continue? 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:52.560 - Absolutely. 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:54.920 - Is this pre-K through fifth? 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:56.240 - Pre-K through five, yes ma'am. 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:57.079 - Through fifth? - Yes ma'am. 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:00.120 - And this feeds into Calhoun, is that? 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.879 - This feeds into Calhoun, a little bit in the McMath. 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:05.920 - Yeah, a little window there at McMath 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:07.360 and that goes on there. 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.680 - And are there any items or kind of relics 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.560 from the old historic Frank Vernon School 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.199 that have been able to be repurposed in the new building? 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:18.759 - One of the unique things on this side 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.199 and why it's chosen to kind of swap land 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.720 with the city is the woman's up and functioning. 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.839 So that school, really there's nothing we can do 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.160 to that school right now because we are using it 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:31.120 as a functional school. 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.959 There is very little in that school 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:36.879 that we would want to pull over. 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:38.680 I mean, at the high school, we did some of that 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.839 where we saved the logo that was in the terrazzo 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.639 and we moved it over and we moved some things like that. 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.000 The trophies and all of that that are inside Mormon 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:48.040 that were one of my students, 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:49.439 all of that stuff will be moved over. 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:52.240 But actually on the facility, 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:57.240 there's really nothing in there that I would say is salvage 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:01.040 or usable, you know, for as far as using in the building. 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:01.879 - Nostalgic. 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.600 - Yeah, I don't think that there's just a ton of things 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:06.720 like you have at the high school or at the middle schools 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.879 where you have some of those kinds of types of things. 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:10.720 Don't know if I answered that question how you want it. 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.680 - Yeah, I don't think I earned any trophies 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:13.720 when I went to Frank Vernon. 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:14.560 - Oh, I'm sure you did. 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:16.120 - Because I would notice if I-- 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:17.439 - No, no, I'm sure there's something there 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:18.279 that we're gonna make. 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:19.120 - We'll get you a blank too. 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:19.939 - We'll get every one of those. 00:07:19.939 --> 00:07:20.779 - We'll get your blank. 00:07:20.779 --> 00:07:22.279 - We'll make one. 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:23.720 - Yeah, and I promise if not, 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:25.920 we'll make sure we have one for you there. 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:27.199 (laughing) 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:28.040 - All right, yeah, go right ahead. 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:28.959 - I was gonna say, 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.240 Jill, I spoke to the staff at Mormon recently 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.360 and as I stood in the library at Mormon, 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:36.639 I said, you know, y'all deserve a new building. 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:38.439 I went to Mormon as well. 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:40.639 But I said, I was standing here 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.160 when President Reagan was shot. 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.199 And they said, 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:47.519 "You were shot." 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:48.360 (laughing) 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.480 - Okay, the staff here is entirely too young. 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.439 But the library looks exactly the same. 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:57.500 But there is no memorabilia, if you will, 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:02.160 to take in the way that we do for our high school. 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:04.920 We did do a little event, if you will, 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.959 at Jennings before we brought it down. 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.000 So there'll be a timeline 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.120 before we can turn it over to the city. 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:14.560 So we'll have them have it. 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:17.279 - Yeah, and just timing of that, 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.040 once we move the teachers and all of their stuff 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.600 out of the old Mormon into the new Mormons, 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:25.560 and all the new furniture gets put in the new Mormon, 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:27.720 there's still a little bit of asbestos abatement 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.920 that we have to do before we can tear that school down. 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.879 And so then after we get all of that done, 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:35.919 you'll start seeing the building come down. 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:39.440 The timeline of that, 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.480 I think our agreement with the city 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.559 is we want to have the Stocktonville built 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:48.000 by the year, I think it was August of 28, I think, 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:49.679 which it'll be done way before that. 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:53.120 I mean, we're living in the first quarter of 27. 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.279 We think we'll have that turned back over to the city 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:58.679 so that they'll have a Stocktonville in that location. 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:00.720 - This park has just been great. 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:05.720 It's really worked out to the benefit of the community 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:08.960 as far as the swap and what everyone is willing to do. 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.360 And so it's very much appreciated. 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.919 Did anyone else go to Mormon here, by the way? 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:16.799 - No, I don't know if people would have been great. 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.799 (audience laughing) 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.480 - If you didn't go to Mormon and you go to Mormon, 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.799 it's easy to get lost in Mormon. 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:32.600 That building was an open concept building 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:34.360 and then got turned into a smaller compound, 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:35.679 it's more room-sharing thing. 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.639 So it's intricate. 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.120 - Mr. Saffron? - Charlie. 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.600 - I know when we use SCF, 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:43.879 we usually have some harder spaces for windstorms. 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:45.480 - Yeah, let's do that. - No, sure. 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:46.639 - Absolutely. 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.600 If I go back, Charlie's, what he's bringing up 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:51.679 is the wall system here. 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:53.519 And obviously the new code mandates 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.120 that we build storm shelters in facilities. 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.039 So the storm shelter of this particular building 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.919 is the part that's already completed, it's the gymnasium. 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:04.679 That is the storm shelter for this building. 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.440 However, all of the walls in this particular building 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.440 are ICF, if you don't know what that means, 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.360 it's insulated concrete forms, 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.440 or there's insulation, and insulation, 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.200 there, if you put the rebar in the middle of the wall, 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.879 it gets anywhere from 12 to 18 inches thick. 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:22.679 So they can all classify as hardened areas. 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:25.039 The great thing about this is it does make 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.519 a really robust building, security-wise. 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:30.440 If you go to the old Texas A&M test 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:32.679 where they shoot two befores out of cannons into walls 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:34.720 and see what will go through it, 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.039 there's never gonna be a two before 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.200 that would go through any wall in this facility 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:39.960 because it is hardened. 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.320 But the storm shelter is the gym, 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.360 and it has its own bathroom facilities and all that 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:49.559 as ICC 500 code mandates for us to do 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:50.720 in this particular building. 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.120 But the entire building is built of the same wall system 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:55.759 that you have on the storm shelter. 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:58.039 The only difference would be the roofing system 00:10:58.039 --> 00:10:59.559 and the holes in the walls, the windows, 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:00.559 and stuff like that. 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:03.759 - So what's the capacity? 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.519 How many people can you cram in there toward any of them? 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:08.960 - Sure, you really put me on the spot here. 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:12.240 Six square foot per person is what the code requires. 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:13.919 And if I remember right, 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:17.799 it is our total building population plus 20%, 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:19.000 something like that. 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.159 It is what is... 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.519 But here's what I'm gonna, I promise you, 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.080 that if we have an F5 tornado, 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.840 I don't know any, I'm just gonna speak for myself. 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:30.399 I don't need six square foot. 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:32.320 You don't have to stand six square foot for me. 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.399 You can double right on up if it's an F5 tornado 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.080 because I'm not gonna really be worried 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.840 about my own personal space if there's an F5 tornado 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:43.080 and we're able to be in a facility that can withstand it. 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.000 And this one obviously is a facility that's designed 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.240 to withstand those kinds of things, yeah. 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.120 - Council Member Burke. 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:52.960 - I was gonna ask about parking. 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.559 We have that softball field over there. 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.259 We're looking forward to soccer fields. 00:11:59.919 --> 00:12:03.639 Will this school accommodate additional parking 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.279 or will we need additional parking? 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.159 - Well, so right where the soccer field is, 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.120 we sank all of the parking lots 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.559 that were to the east of Borman. 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.019 All of those parking lots, 00:12:15.019 --> 00:12:16.759 the city is getting those parking lots. 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.360 So really your soccer field now has twice the parking 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:21.580 that it ever did. 00:12:21.580 --> 00:12:23.039 Handicapped accessible ramps, 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:24.240 handicapped accessible parking, 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.759 where previously your soccer field was kind of located 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:28.879 in the center portion of that park 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.080 and really everybody had to walk to it. 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:34.440 Now the parking lot is right adjacent to your rec center. 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.360 So all of that parking you gained. 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:38.919 And then we also, you know, 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:42.080 we added a road to the south of this school, 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:45.240 grapple road, I didn't make it. 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:47.440 But, and then we also put an entrance ramp 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:49.679 off of the new road into your parking lot 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:53.320 so that nobody now, how that little intersection over there 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:55.799 was kind of a poor intersection 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:57.399 and just because how everything was built. 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.799 So I would say the parking has increased 100% 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:02.799 from what you previously had, yes ma'am. 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.759 - Thank you. - Yes ma'am. 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:06.600 Okay, any other questions? 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:09.720 Seeing none, okay thank you very much. 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:10.559 - Appreciate it. 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:18.240 - That takes us to item B, ID 260208, 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.440 receive four hold of stuff 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:22.919 regarding city of Bend construction projects 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:24.759 surrounding Bitteniski campus. 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:35.600 - Hello, I'm Alice Wing, 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.480 Interim Director of Parks and Recreation. 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:39.919 So Garcia and I will be sharing updates 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.080 for capital construction projects that impact Stanton ISD. 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.399 First up is Deena Park. 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.120 The Deena Park Foundation is a major infrastructure 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:52.960 and amenity update. 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.440 The project consists of grading of the softball fields 00:13:56.440 --> 00:14:00.399 for improved drainage, electrical and lighting updates, 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.679 new fencing, new trails, restroom renovations 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.639 and ADA accessibility upgrades. 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:08.879 This phase of the project is complete. 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.039 The final phase of the project will be 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:14.440 the addition of the new soccer field 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.320 upon completion of this new Foreman Elementary 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.559 and demolition of the former Foreman Elementary. 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.639 And you can see here everything that's light and color 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.679 is complete and then the new field. 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.100 (indistinct) 00:14:31.100 --> 00:14:32.600 You can have a turn like that, Snore. 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:38.600 Also, the Natatorium opened in 2003 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.159 and has just undergone its first major renovations 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:43.440 since it was built. 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:47.120 It got a new roof, was power washed inside and out, 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:50.320 everything has been cleaned, every nook and cranny. 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.519 The windows and doors have been resealed, 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.559 the restrooms and hallways painted, 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:56.519 the sidewalks have been repaired, 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.120 there's an entirely new pump room, 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:03.759 the pool deck and pool shell were renewed, 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.080 new lane lines and reels have been installed, 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:09.320 new lifeguard chairs, new ADA chair, 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.240 new UV lights and new full lights. 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:18.279 This just finished up on March 23rd and we're done. 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:22.879 - What are those men working on? 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:24.399 The flight? 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:25.600 Jai and Easter egg? 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.960 - Those are the filters in the pump room. 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:30.240 - I see. 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:31.080 - Yes. 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:38.559 - All right, good afternoon everybody. 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.799 Seth Garcia, Director of Capital Projects as Alison said. 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:43.960 So a lot of you guys have seen this information 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:45.639 so I'll run through it quickly. 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:47.639 We're gonna start looking at our Bonnie Bray area 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:51.159 where we did in high school in Reeves Elementary area. 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:53.159 So to start out, Bonnie Bray phase six, 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:54.919 so we are in active construction. 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:56.639 We're getting really close to being complete 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:57.759 with our underground work, 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.200 which is our storm drain and water line sections. 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:02.279 You may have seen recently, 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.519 we started sub-grade operations there 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:06.559 at the north end near 77. 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:09.159 Again, our plan for this section is build 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:11.480 what will be the future southbound lanes, 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:13.840 get all the traffic moved over onto those future 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.960 southbound lanes and then build the northbound lanes. 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.960 So we're hoping late April, early May, 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.559 you're gonna start seeing the first concrete sections 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:25.120 going down, making good progress out there. 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.399 Again, this is a picture of the section of Riney Road 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:32.080 in front of Reeves Elementary that we expedited 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.200 and almost made it before school opened. 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:35.360 We're really close. 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:38.799 So this is a great update for you guys. 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:42.240 So Riney Road East is the rest of the expansion here 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:44.279 in front of Reeves Elementary going back 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:46.440 to the east towards US 77. 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.120 So we've actually begun construction on this project. 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:52.039 A portion of this project was to build concrete trails 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.960 through North Lakes Park to connect the park section 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.120 to the back of the elementary school. 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.000 That's where our contractor is currently working. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.919 They're also preparing some utility relocations there 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:04.559 on the roadway section. 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.640 They're moving some fire hydrants back 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:08.319 along the park section. 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.599 So you'll see sub-grade work happening 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.319 in that section soon as well. 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:13.559 So we're under construction. 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.640 They started in March and we're anticipating 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.559 being done Q1 of 27. 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:20.880 - Where are the trails, please? 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:22.960 - Trails, so they're not shown here, 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:27.279 but essentially from the last pavilion on North Lakes Park 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.079 that's in between kind of the soccer fields 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:33.480 and the play areas. 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:35.680 We will be extending a trail along the sides 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:38.039 of the soccer fields, in between the soccer 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:39.599 and football fields, and then north 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:41.359 into the back of the school site. 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:42.640 - So hold on. 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:45.319 First, can you repeat the question? 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.559 And then two, can we hold the questions? 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:48.400 - Yes, sir. 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:50.400 So the question was, where are the trails going 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.519 through North Lakes Park? 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:54.519 And so at North Lakes Park, if you're familiar 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.039 with the site, there's a large pavilion 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.720 just to the north of the playground area. 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.880 We're essentially gonna connect onto existing trails there. 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:06.480 We're gonna run along the east side of the soccer fields. 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:10.240 We'll cut in between the soccer and football fields 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.119 along the existing concrete path, 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.160 and then run north along the parking lot 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:16.759 to the back of the school site. 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.640 (pencil scratching) 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:24.599 So next, our Westgate Road Connector Project. 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.519 This is what connects Bronco Way to the service road. 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:30.319 So we are substantially complete. 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:32.839 We were able to get some lanes of traffic open 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.400 back right around Christmas. 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.000 They're finishing some various punch list items, 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:38.640 but again, hopefully this is alleviated 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.519 some of the traffic there at Benton High School. 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:43.640 We are planned to be done by the end of this month 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:45.279 with punch list items. 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:46.400 So we will be out of there, 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:48.640 and we'll have all four lanes open for traffic. 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.160 So Neighborhood 2 and 6, this is one of our bond packages 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.200 from our 2019 Street Reconstruction Bond. 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:02.039 This whole package of 2 and 6 is roughly 120 segments. 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:06.079 Some of them impacted the areas around the old Calhoun site 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:06.079 , 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:07.599 and we have several street segments 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.279 around the new Calhoun site and Newton Raiser. 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.119 Good news here, we're finishing up a majority of that work. 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.079 We've been waiting on Atlus to finish up 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.480 some of their low pressure relocations. 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.599 So you'll continue to see some ongoing work 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:22.279 in the area through the summer, early fall, 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.920 but we are on track to be complete by quarter four of 2026 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:27.960 with all the construction in this area. 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:33.599 So some more good updates, safe routes to schools. 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.079 So we have four sites that we were working on, 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:37.720 SRTS projects. 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:39.920 We are complete with all four. 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:42.359 So this is the last time you'll see these slides. 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:45.720 Here's some photos of the completed sidewalk segments 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.359 at Pecan Creek and Schulz Elementary. 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:51.920 And then also along Jennings 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.279 and Alexander Elementary School. 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:55.880 So we had various sidewalk segments 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.359 that were completed with those grant funds. 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.599 We are done, so hopefully the students are able 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.599 to enjoy those pieces of sidewalk. 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:07.440 And then one more piece of good news. 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:09.359 So our Transportation Services Department 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:12.319 has been actively pursuing some grants. 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:14.480 They were just awarded 4.6 million 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.039 in a new Safe Routes to School program. 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:20.559 So this is gonna be around the Calhoun Middle School 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:21.839 Newton Racer site. 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.039 So we're in the early, early stages of initiation 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.599 and planning, moving into design. 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:29.519 So essentially we'll look at all areas 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.559 within roughly a half mile of that school 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:34.880 or both school sites and see what we need to do 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.759 for pedestrian and safety and hamper enhancement. 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:41.920 So that could be sidewalks, trails, bike lanes, 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:44.079 at a minimum I think Crescent and Malone 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.400 is gonna get a refresh for some of the pedestrian 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.000 infrastructure that's out there. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.000 So over the next 12 months we'll be evaluating 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.759 what all needs to happen and then probably 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.240 at our next meeting I'll have a good scope, 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:57.200 a clarification update to give you guys 00:20:57.200 --> 00:20:58.400 on what we're gonna be. 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:02.240 And that is gonna happen. 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:03.440 Take any questions? 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:05.400 - Thank you. 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:06.240 Mayor Pro Tem. 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:07.400 - Mayor, would you like us to go through 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.079 these topic by topic? 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:11.039 'Cause I'm gonna have questions about all of them. 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:16.440 - No, as long as there are questions, we're great. 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:17.440 - Sure, sure. 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.640 So I did ask parents for what questions 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:22.400 they were wondering about. 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:25.960 So Bonnie Bray, phase six, there's still ongoing 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:27.920 safety concerns from parents who kind of live 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:30.680 in the Kingsridge side of Bonnie Bray, 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:34.119 traveling to Reed's Elementary with their students. 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.119 They're concerned about lack of traffic signals, 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:38.960 temporary safe crossing and streetlights. 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.680 So my question on that one is what safety measures 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:43.920 are currently being taken and do we have opportunities 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.039 for any further safety measures at that intersection 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:47.119 of Rynie and Bonnie Bray? 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:48.640 - Yeah, great question. 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.680 So this is a challenge that we faced. 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.240 Again, there was not existing infrastructure out there. 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:55.559 A lot of the sidewalks came from one side 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:57.160 to this intersection and dead ended. 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:59.839 So we tried to provide as much access, 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:04.000 as much safe access as we could as quickly as possible. 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.319 Again, we were able to install some temporary crossings 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.359 to come across at this intersection 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:12.440 to focus the students towards the schools. 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:14.680 We can evaluate it and see what else can be done. 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:17.920 Again, as we go through and actually start our paving 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:18.759 pieces, 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:21.359 you'll see sidewalks and other pieces that will come in 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:23.319 along north-south Bonnie Bray. 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:25.240 Again, that will provide more opportunity 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.400 for us to do additional pieces. 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.319 Again, the last thing we wanna do is put students 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:32.319 in an unsafe area because this is an active 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:33.319 construction zone. 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:35.579 So just north and south of this intersection, 00:22:35.579 --> 00:22:38.799 we're gonna have paving operations going on on both sides. 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.680 So the safest thing for us is to keep students 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.359 out of those areas so we can work. 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:48.279 But again, anytime we can evaluate and open up an area 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:50.200 safely for students to get through, 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:51.799 we'll continue to do that. 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:52.640 - Thank you. 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:54.799 And kind of still on that intersection, 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:57.680 I think some residents thought that the city was saying 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:01.079 by August 20th that that intersection would be fully 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:01.440 complete, 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:02.859 like 100% complete. 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:07.279 What completion did the city actually mean 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.440 and when would the traffic lights 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:11.480 and all the final, final stuff be added? 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:13.079 - Yeah, no, great question. 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:16.119 So what we meant by complete was permanent paving installed 00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:17.000 through that intersection. 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:20.000 So part of our phasing plan initially had this broken out 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.339 with several closures. 00:23:21.339 --> 00:23:23.980 We kind of remodified that phasing plan with our contractor 00:23:23.980 --> 00:23:26.319 to build it in halves with a little shoe flag, 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:28.400 if you all remember, around the existing intersection 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:29.359 that was there. 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:34.240 Sidewalks, ramps, traffic signal conduits are typically 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:35.680 some of the last things that you're gonna see 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:36.980 towards the end of the project. 00:23:36.980 --> 00:23:39.599 So as we go through and complete off the paving, 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:41.799 we want radiuses, we want ramps put in. 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.359 So as they start boring conduits for signals, 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.559 we make sure that they're out of the way 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:49.319 of where the pavement improvements are. 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:51.559 I don't have an exact off the top of my head 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.920 when that will fall into the exact schedule. 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:55.920 Again, it's kind of dependent on setting some 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.160 of those permanent pieces with the paving. 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.599 But again, we'll work to expedite everything that we can 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:02.160 to get that signal operation. 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.319 - And I assume the signals will go in 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:06.240 after the north-south lanes are constructed. 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.359 - That is correct. - Not before then. 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:09.039 - That is correct. 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.559 - And then the closure, I guess intermittent closures 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:13.960 between Conquest and North Elm. 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.359 I think there was a closure up until March 23rd, 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:18.400 and I guess it's intermittently still closed. 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:20.400 Do we have an estimated timeline 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:22.079 of when those intermittent closures will be? 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:23.640 - Yeah, so if it's not open already, 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:25.319 it should be getting open pretty quickly. 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:26.799 We were installing the final pieces 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:29.759 of drainage infrastructure that were crossing perpendicular 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:29.759 . 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.880 There's a couple of waters of the US right there. 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:34.359 There's some small creek channels 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:35.960 that probably shouldn't be waters of the US, 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:36.920 but they are. 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.160 So we were getting our final box culverts through there. 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.319 As soon as that's open, again, 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:44.279 we wouldn't have another closure 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:48.839 until we get that south side port and everybody moved over. 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.400 So again, we're trying to minimize those traffic impacts. 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:53.119 - I'm almost done, y'all. 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:55.799 But then I'll hand it back for a second. 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.000 And then what accommodations will there be on Bonnie Bray 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.579 for people bystander scooters, using scooters like students 00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:02.759 ? 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:05.539 - Yeah, so a part of our entire Bonnie Bray program 00:25:05.539 --> 00:25:07.160 from phase one to phase six, 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:10.200 we're gonna have at least a 10-foot trail on one side. 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:13.039 So for this section on the east side of the roadway 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:16.240 from US 38 all the way to US 77, 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.160 there will be a 10-foot trail. 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:19.680 On the west side of the roadway, 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:22.039 we're gonna have a six-foot and eight-foot sidewalk, 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:23.640 just depending on which section that you're in. 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.960 So you're gonna have larger than normal sidewalks 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:27.119 on both sides. 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.400 Again, on the east side, on the park side, 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:31.799 you will have a 10-foot trail that'll accommodate 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:34.660 bikes, pedestrians, anything. 00:25:34.660 --> 00:25:36.359 - Second to last, lighting. 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.759 Is there any lighting planned for the side paths 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.039 and also along Bonnie Bray facing? 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.880 - Yes, so not specific to the side paths, 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.319 but our street lighting will accommodate 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:48.559 for lighting across those trails. 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:53.000 So we'll have lighting all the way from US 382, US 77, 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.039 the section of Riney Road. 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:56.720 They're actually putting in conduits right now 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:58.480 in front of the elementary school. 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:00.279 And then with the Riney Road East project, 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:04.160 we extend that lighting all the way to 77 on the east side. 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.519 So full lighting everywhere. 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.880 - I'll pass it back to Mayor on this on Bonnie Bray 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.000 and Riney in case anybody else has questions. 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:12.839 - Okay. 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:17.640 Council Member Beck. 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.000 - Thank you. 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:23.869 Seth, I had some of the same questions that Mayor Portend 00:26:23.869 --> 00:26:24.000 did. 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.319 I guess, as we stage these things 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:32.640 and we have temporary access as the phasing goes forward, 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.440 what's the plan for the phasing 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.039 of various temporary bike ped measures, if you know it, 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:45.960 and how are we gonna communicate that with the community? 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:47.440 - Yeah, so great question. 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:48.759 A lot of communication, 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.599 the best place to go is our Disgusted website. 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.880 There you'll get frequent updates at least monthly. 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:56.920 You can also ask project managers 00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:59.920 or it'll have project manager contact information 00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:01.480 that you can reach out to. 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:03.799 So that's where we always like to point people 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:05.880 for the most valid updates. 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.720 For temporary, again, a lot of it's gonna depend 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:12.160 on the scope of work that's happening. 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.799 One of the questions we get asked a lot is, 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.799 we want temporary things where existing pedestrian 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.680 infrastructure didn't exist before, that's hard to do. 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:22.720 So where existing sidewalks are, 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:24.799 we're either gonna clearly sign that, 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:26.720 "Hey, this is currently closed," 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.839 while we install drainage boxes or roadway improvements. 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.559 Again, part of our phasing plan will install 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.839 those sidewalks with the concrete roadway 00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:36.799 that's coming through. 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.119 So as soon as we can get sections open that are safe 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.599 and will get you somewhere, we'll open those up. 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.200 - Are you designing alternative paths for folks 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.640 that have to use bike path access to the schools? 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.319 I mean, are we going through other directions, 00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:55.839 even if it's more roundabout? 00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.400 - Yeah, we're currently not just because a lot 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:02.200 of those areas did not have existing pedestrian pathways. 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.240 So if they were riding on the street, 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:06.000 they can continue riding on the street 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.039 through the work zone, but we didn't have 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:11.119 any continuous places of sidewalk that came 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.400 to any of the school system there currently. 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.319 - I'm gonna encourage you to be on these things 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.279 around schools to be as proactive and as push-centric 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.400 as possible to make it so that people can get 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.319 timely updates pushed to them as much as you can. 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:31.160 Thank you, sir. 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:32.000 - Absolutely. 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.000 - That's almost it. 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:37.279 - Anybody on midnight? 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:40.559 - Yeah. 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.799 - Chancellor Hall. 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:44.240 - Thank you. 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:49.039 The east end of Sunset between Carroll and Bolivar, 00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.079 is that imminent? 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.559 I mean, is it to be knocked out or finished soon? 00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.759 - Yes, so I believe you're referring to 00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:01.279 in the two and six project. 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:04.319 Yeah, so we had our first portions of paving go down, 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.839 I think a little over a week ago. 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.559 So as soon as they get all the remainder 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:09.960 of the concrete flatwork, 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.759 they'll finish the last two layers of asphalt. 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:16.480 - Part of that will be curved for the first time ever. 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.160 - Yes, yeah. 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:20.960 Yeah, section between Bolivar and-- 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.400 - Right, adjacent off, right at the corner. 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:25.240 - Yes, sir. 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:26.440 - Very nice, thank you. 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:27.279 - You bet. 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.640 - Chancellor Jesser. 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:31.799 - I've got a couple of questions. 00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.640 I don't think I need to take up everyone's time for, 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.160 but if I could just catch you maybe 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.359 in between meetings today, I've got a couple. 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:39.599 - Yes ma'am. - Thank you. 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:42.160 - Yep. 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.759 - Two comments, two questions. 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.680 I did get parent feedback, they love the sidewalks 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.279 by Alexander, so I guess parents are using those 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:50.359 and they really like that. 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.880 They're really excited about the Safe Rocks to School 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:53.519 project 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.079 around Newton Razor, other parents are. 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.359 Two questions about Westgate/Bronco Way. 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.960 - A parent is concerned about the lack of streetlights 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.160 along Bronco Way near DHS and was wondering 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.720 if there is opportunity to add streetlights 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.160 or any plans to do so. 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.559 - Yeah, so that part of the road was built by development. 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:13.880 We actually recently had a question that came through 00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.559 Mobility Committee about the same section. 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.400 So I got with DME, they don't have a current project there, 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.799 but now that we've been notified, 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.319 we can start programming it into either the capital plan 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:25.960 or the streetline plan for DME 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.119 to see if we can get streetlights added in. 00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:32.480 But currently there is no project for that section. 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.680 - And then final question, I heard from a Westgate resident 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.960 that I think their understanding was the plan was 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.319 for northbound traffic on Westgate that they cannot turn 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.599 right on Bronco Way heading towards Denton High School. 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:46.559 I was able to find the video where I think it was supposed 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.160 to be a bug out to discourage it, 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:53.039 but you can't 100% deny people from turning right. 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:54.720 So I don't necessarily need an answer, 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.279 but just that's something that the neighbors 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:57.119 are concerned about. 00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.880 I guess a lot of cut through traffic coming up Westgate 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:02.559 to skip all the traffic on Bonnie Way 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.480 and the flying down Westgate it sounds like. 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.720 - Yeah, so we do have signage that's going in there 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.519 that says no right turn, left turn only, 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.039 and not a student drop off location. 00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.079 Again, part of the geometry of the roadway does point 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.880 for a put it left out to try and force people 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:20.680 to go back towards 35. 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.079 So again, once we get all the infrastructure installed 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.640 and that is complete, we can probably reach out to PD 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.519 and see if some sort of enforcement 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.440 or something there can help. 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.440 But we did not include the poor chop design. 00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.000 There were some concerns with our transportation department 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.039 on how that was gonna impact. 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:37.720 People are just gonna drive around it 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.079 and do the wrong thing like at Torchies. 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.119 So again, we can continue looking at some other options 00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:43.960 to help enforce that. 00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:44.799 - I appreciate it. 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.400 That is all I have, thank you. 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.000 - All right, any other questions? 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.039 Good example on Torchies, that's a challenge. 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:53.279 - Yes, sir. 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:57.079 - Just as HEB is going in. 00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.000 So a couple of things. 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.279 The, go back to the screen, there was a, 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.519 I mean, second slide, Mormon. 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.559 And if I get the, someone from the school board's input, 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.720 so I'm assuming they'll come in near the, 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.160 to the south there, that's the front of the school. 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.880 And then I'm just curious about the queuing, 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:24.680 because it'll wrap around in a good way. 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.880 So if it's up against that north curve, 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.519 is there enough space for people to leave? 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.519 - So Mayor, how the queuing is, 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.160 those roads are not gonna be one way in and one way out. 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.480 The road plan west, as we look at to the left, 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:41.480 that is the entrance. 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:42.920 If you're coming, the front of the school 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.720 is still facing the Mormon community, as always. 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.680 So you will enter from that road, you will drop off, 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:51.119 and you will leave through the road 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:52.720 that's right there by the rec center. 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.119 So those will be one way. 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.680 And so you can imagine the queuing there is massive 00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.160 compared to what we previously had. 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.160 So you can queue all the way down, 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.400 you'll drop off your student, your passenger door, 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.519 or the passenger side, and then you will leave 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:08.200 right there, about between the rec center 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.640 and the soccer field, one way out. 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.039 And so that is still the front of the school. 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.920 There is an entrance from the back. 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.519 We typically like to separate pedestrians, 00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:20.920 or cars from buses. 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.200 So the plan right now is that buses will enter 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.119 from the south road, drop off and leave 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.319 so that we don't mix those two together. 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.400 And there is also a door that they can enter 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.240 from that side as well that will be manned. 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.000 So we'll have parents dropping off at the front, 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.160 bike riders, walkers coming from the front, 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.240 and then we have buses coming from the south. 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.279 - Thank you, appreciate that. 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.039 And then, Seth, if you wanna touch on the, 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.400 you can't even sidewalk, 'cause that will help also 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.279 with Alex, now again, I don't know if we have anything 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.160 to help them cross the street, but if you can touch 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:56.000 on that project. 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.000 - Yeah, so we had an interim project for McKinney Sidewalks 00:33:59.000 --> 00:33:59.000 . 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.440 This goes from Loop 288 on the east, 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.720 all the way to Woodrow Audra. 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.720 So that has begun construction there, 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.519 during the process of staking right away and starting. 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.079 So you're gonna have a variable width sidewalk 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.159 that is continuous on the south side of the roadway, 00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.360 all the way from Loop 288 to the Woodrow Audra section. 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:18.760 And I believe we're supposed to be done 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.119 in roughly six months from now. 00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.400 It just began construction in March. 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.119 - And then similarly, you wanna touch on Woodrow 00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.039 and Morris, the signal light, the status, 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:30.960 'cause that affects-- 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:33.679 - Yeah, that is actually our transportation services group. 00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.719 I don't know, I know various infrastructure is going in, 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.840 the ramps are in, the signal should be going up. 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:40.599 I would estimate within the next few months, 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:43.099 you'll see the signal up and activated at that intersection 00:34:43.099 --> 00:34:43.280 . 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.920 - So those buses trying to get out on Audra 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.320 and all those things, or parents getting in across that, 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:50.519 that'll be much improved. 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.599 And then lastly, and this is not on your presentation, 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.320 but related, so two things. 00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:59.360 Calhoun, is there someone driving by there every now and 00:34:59.360 --> 00:34:59.800 again 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.880 just to make sure no one's moving in, right? 00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:05.840 Delicate as I can say it, but two, 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.920 have we continued discussions about the tennis court 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:11.559 and how we can activate those areas 00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:13.960 and work together on those. 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.280 - I can talk about that. 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.679 We are, Parks and Recreation has just taken possession 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:24.280 of the tennis courts and the field space 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.119 in front of the old Calhoun Middle School. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:32.039 We are going to go to the John B. Denton 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.719 Neighborhood Association meeting in April 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.159 to engage the community about what they would like 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:41.079 to see those courts become. 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.119 They'll still be courts, but are they, 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.760 right now they're tennis courts. 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.239 Do they want basketball, would they like pickleball? 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:48.880 What kind of court activities 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.559 would they prefer to have there? 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.480 We'll take input from the meeting 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.320 and we'll also have online form 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.960 to engage the greater community. 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.280 And then fairly immediately do some improvements 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.400 on those courts, repair the concrete, 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.360 make sure that everything is safe for play 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.400 and set those up to be what they shall become. 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.679 - Okay, great, thanks for that update. 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.079 And then lastly, again, not on your slides, 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.719 but I would advocate, and it's a not today thing, 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.480 but I'm just planting the seed. 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:24.159 I would love for the city to facilitate a meeting 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.320 with the city, the school district and TechStop 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.679 to talk about access from University Drive 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.719 to what was Newton Raysor's site, 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:36.239 because I think it adds value if we can navigate that. 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.000 And if, you know, again, it's whatever that is 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.239 to bridge that gap there 00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.280 or find an alternative access, 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.760 but I think when we're trying to help our, 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.360 the numbers are substantial, you know, 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.360 the value added between Starbucks 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.480 and those other things that came back on the tax roll. 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.199 So in this instance, to have add value 00:36:58.199 --> 00:36:59.400 to that piece of property, 00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.639 I think if it had University access, 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.199 access from University Drive, it enhances that 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.920 and just helps us all by proxy. 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.800 So I would think there would be that the accrued meeting 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.159 to have to try to see if we can one, 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.480 figure out how to span that ditch area, 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.880 that runoff or whatever, and two, market, 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.079 so that they can market that as access 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.840 or, you know, pending approval, all those things. 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.360 But for what it's worth, I just think 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.159 that's a great opportunity to help them, 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.320 help everyone else, and I think it enhances 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:38.679 the quality of project, 'cause the alternative is 00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:43.400 somebody's gonna put a multi-family thing on there. 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:47.400 You know, just, I just like to see it highest in values. 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.440 Right, so, understood? 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.199 Any other questions? 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:52.519 Great, thank you very much. 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:02.000 That takes us to item C, ID 260207, 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.800 see reportable discussion regarding 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.280 property tax exemptions and multi-family 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.480 affordable housing in the City of Denton. 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.280 - Good afternoon, Council and Trustees. 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:25.880 My name is Jesse Kidd, I'm the Director 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.679 of Community Services for the City of Denton, 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.280 and I'm excited to talk to you about 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.239 tax exemptions and affordable housing. 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.000 About one in every three renting household, 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:36.440 according to the American Community Survey, 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.519 the census is severely cost burdened, 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.000 that means they pay more than half 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.280 of their income in rent every month. 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.760 58% are cost burdened, they pay more than 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.639 a third of their income in rent every month. 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.079 And so over the past several months, 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.079 the City has been evaluating our 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.400 affordable housing programming, 00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.519 and looking at ways that we can improve 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.119 the ways we're incentivizing affordable 00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:03.800 housing development within the City. 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.400 We're gonna do a little bit of, 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:09.480 drinking from a fire hose here, 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:11.519 there's so much to talk about around 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.400 affordable housing and so many things that are relevant. 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.840 There are two really important topics or concepts. 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:18.239 There's one, it's the median income, 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.039 the area median income, and the other 00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.239 is rental restrictions. 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:23.960 So affordable housing in the United States 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.519 looks at income through the lens of area median income. 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.239 A lot of them are federal programs. 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:34.239 Any program that has to serve 350 million people 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.119 is going to lose nuance throughout it. 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:41.519 And so when we look at income here in our community, 00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:45.239 we are looped in with the Dallas Fair Market region. 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.119 I've got it mapped out in here in blue. 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:50.599 And there are a lot of high income areas 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:52.559 within that blue area. 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.559 So typically, housing programs focus on those households 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:59.760 at 30, 50, and 80% of that area median income. 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.960 Those are considered low income households. 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.119 And for the purposes of these programs, 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:06.679 we're measured against them. 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:11.679 In 2024, the Denton's median income was $80,900. 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.800 But we are held to the affordability standards 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.559 and income for the Dallas Fair Market region, 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:20.639 which is significantly higher at $110,000. 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:26.159 48% of Denton households, just in general, 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.960 according to this definition, are considered low income. 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.920 So what does that look like in terms of actual incomes 00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:37.039 when we look at a household of four 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.400 at low, that is considered low income, 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.360 that's set at that $93,850 a year. 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:49.719 At very low income or 50% AMI, you're at $3,650. 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.760 And then the extremely low income households 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:56.280 are those that earn $35,000 or less 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.599 for that household of four. 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.000 These scale based on the household size. 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.079 So as the household size decreases, 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.400 the amount of money that you need to be able to pay rent 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.400 to live in a household that accommodates a family 00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.719 at that size decreases along with it. 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:13.480 And it steps through this function. 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.480 So you have income, and on the other side, 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.840 there are rental limits. 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.840 So HUD's programming that incentivizes affordable housing 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:26.199 that provides incentives, monetary benefits, 00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:28.679 other programs looks and says, 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.079 for those households that make those incomes, 00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.199 what would we need to cap the rent at 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.519 so that they weren't paying a substantial portion 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.000 of their income in rent? 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:45.599 So these are the rental limits that are most often apply, 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.920 that apply here in the city of Dunton for those programs. 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.599 So for example, that four person household 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.599 could choose to rent that's making 93,850 a year, 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.599 could rent a three bedroom apartment 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.920 that has taken advantage of these incentives 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.280 or these financing in some way, 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.440 they cannot be charged more than 2,400 a month in rent, 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:11.280 2,441. 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:14.920 We look at income for our region, 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:16.800 we say based on that income, 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.800 households should only pay this much. 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:20.119 Based on that reasoning, 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:21.960 we set rental limits for programming. 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:27.869 So when we look at the most common occupations here in Dun 00:42:27.869 --> 00:42:28.320 ton 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:32.000 and compare that with where we see the market rent at, 00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:37.039 these are the top 10 highest, excuse me, 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.679 largest workforce industries or not industries, 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:43.920 but professions within Dunton County. 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.559 They account for about 22% of all Dunton workers. 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.760 And you can see that based on their income, 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.760 what 30% of it is, 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:55.760 they don't often reach a level 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.760 that makes housing affordable for them. 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:03.440 When we place income restrictions on units, 00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.920 say at the 50% AMI level, 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:08.239 it becomes more affordable, 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.320 but still not that definition of affordable 00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.079 for a lot of folks. 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.079 And then when you do 30%, 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.599 that's when you're really reaching a level 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:17.880 that is affordable, 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.679 that folks are able to provide affordability. 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.280 The very last one is what I've got online 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.480 for a starting DISD school teacher salary. 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.519 So that's just for your benefit. 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:33.320 Housing is considered affordable 00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.280 if a low income household spends 30% of their income 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:37.599 or less on housing. 00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:41.559 So we have those income that were assessed 00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:43.360 against the Dallas region. 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.579 We income qualify apartments that participated in 00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:48.159 programming 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.280 and we set rents based on those income levels. 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.199 So income qualified apartments set rents 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:57.039 based on what a household at their target AMI can afford 00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:58.719 based on that 30% rule. 00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:03.800 In Denton, the market rate that we see here 00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:08.800 falls below the affordable rate for an 80% AMI unit. 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.039 So when we look at our programming, 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.480 when we look at the projects we're trying to encourage, 00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:21.480 we are looking to encourage as much 50% and 30% AMI 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:23.159 development as possible. 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.519 Those are those units that we call affordable for Denton. 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:29.159 So the market rate, 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.559 if we were just kind of stacking on the AMI chart 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.000 according to the 2024 ACS, 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.599 it was about 63%. 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.440 So it falls right around that 63% marker. 00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:43.639 And that's not a trend that is new 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.920 or it is suddenly happening. 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.639 When we look at the rental rates and the income, 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.719 or excuse me, the market rate for the past 10 years, 00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:54.800 that's been the case. 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.159 Those low income rental restrictions 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.039 do not fall below for those 80% units, 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:05.159 do not fall below the market rate here in Denton. 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.400 Those 50 and 30% units have historically, 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.280 those are the ones that are most likely 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.159 to lead to a rental reduction for a resident. 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.400 (mouse clicking) 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.000 So tax exemption, 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:21.719 how does it play into all of these things? 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.800 We've got people who are spending too much 00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:25.920 of their money on rent. 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.519 We have now categorized ourselves based on our region, 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.079 what incomes are, 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.480 and HUD has helped us set rental limits for them. 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.440 Many affordable housing developments utilize tax exemptions 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.239 as part of their financing structure 00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.760 to increase the affordability of the property. 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.800 The idea being, if you do not have to pay property taxes, 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.199 you do not need to recoup as much rental revenue. 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:50.920 You can afford to charge less. 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.360 So in Denton, there are 22 properties with tax exemptions. 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.159 And this is a little bit out of date. 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:02.000 There are six more that are in construction. 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.400 The number is a little bit higher now, 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:07.039 but there are five different taxing exemptions 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.280 that a developer could use for these things. 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.519 So when we estimate just on population data for the census 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.760 on what the average household size is 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.119 for renting households, 00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.400 what portion of those are school-age children, 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.599 we see about, we estimate about 1,650 children that, 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:27.679 or school-age children that live in these taxes 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:29.239 and developments. 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.199 And then we anticipate based on these ones 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:32.199 that are in construction, 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:34.760 at least 500 more school-age children 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.559 that will need education. 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:40.440 This is a busy slide, 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.480 so it's a little bit better for posterity, 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:46.360 but there are a number of different legal vehicles 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.519 that a developer or a complex can use 00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:53.840 to secure a tax exemption to provide affordable housing. 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.360 The city has a public facility corporation. 00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:58.800 It's not currently active on any projects. 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.239 We are not currently granting any tax exemptions. 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.639 The housing authority through chapter 392 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.440 of the Texas Local Government Code is active 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.639 and provides tax exemptions for properties. 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:12.760 There are housing finance corporations, 00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:13.840 there are Chodos, 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.000 there are community housing development organizations, 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:18.679 and then there's just exemptions for nonprofits. 00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.719 It's not really, we need to get too bogged down, 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:25.000 but there are different ways to achieve a tax exemption 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:26.480 to provide affordable housing. 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.119 Okay, so putting all that together, 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.119 there are people who are paying too much in rent. 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.239 We need to find a way to reduce the rent, 00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:43.280 but these apartment complexes, they're businesses, 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.519 they have to raise a certain amount of revenue in rent 00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:50.400 to be able to pay for their expenses. 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.159 As a community or as a state, 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.400 there is not always a lot that we can do about 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.320 what is the interest rate on lending, 00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.199 how much does construction cost, 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.309 what is the going rate for personnel to run the development 00:48:02.309 --> 00:48:02.500 . 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:04.679 But one thing that we can do 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.719 that the state has given us tools to do is say, 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.920 "Well, we can eliminate this property tax expenditure 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.840 for it, and in exchange, you'll agree to cap rents 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.000 at a certain amount for a certain number of units 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:17.880 at certain levels." 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.840 And the idea is that when we eliminate that expense, 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.320 we are able to retain balance in the budgets 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:29.079 of these businesses while charging less for rent. 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:33.119 That's the intention of property tax exemptions 00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:33.960 in this concept. 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.039 And so when we look at our community, 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.880 what we've seen is there are a lot of properties, 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.440 a lot of valuation and revenue that is foregone 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:48.000 by the three taxing jurisdictions, 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.960 you all the school district, the city and the county, 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.960 that we give up to try and provide affordable housing 00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.000 for our community because it is such an intense need. 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.679 But what we found is that a lot of the rental restrictions 00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:05.679 that are exchanged for that revenue 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:11.280 are often not at a level that leads to a rental reduction. 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.559 I've got it broken out by market units 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.719 because in some mixed unit developments, 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:18.719 you can have market rate units in them. 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.800 They help to balance and offset the cost 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:22.719 of affordable units, that's great. 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.599 We don't have a problem with market rate units. 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:29.119 There are 80% units, which is the majority 00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.400 of these tax exempt units. 00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:34.480 And that category also includes some 60% units. 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:36.679 There's a good proportion of those 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:38.199 that are actually 60% units, 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:42.159 but when the city characterizes our housing plans 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.480 and our strategy plans, strategic plans, excuse me, 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:48.320 we include 60 and 80% together. 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.360 Those 60%, if I can go back, 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.679 again, that's right around where we've seen the market, 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:56.360 it doesn't lead to a significant rental reduction. 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.440 So based on the estimates, 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:02.960 because we don't have complete data on rent, 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.199 based on the data that we have available 00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.440 and where we see the rental caps at, 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.320 we estimate that our community is exchanging 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:14.360 or we're forgoing about $15 million annually in revenue 00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:18.280 in exchange for $1.2 million in rental reductions. 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.719 That might not be, that's our best estimate 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.440 based on the information that we have. 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:26.599 And that will continue to grow. 00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:28.760 There's 5,000 multifamily units in development 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.639 in the city of Denton right now. 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.400 Half of them are expected to have a property tax exemption. 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.159 So the city council reviewed this data, 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:41.079 reviewed this information. 00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.320 We had a work session last November 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.519 and the city council directed staff to change our policies 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.519 on how we are affording our tax incentives. 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.079 So I didn't mention on the slide, 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.599 but most of these tax exemptions occur 00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.840 without jurisdictional oversight. 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:03.400 The city doesn't have to vote to approve, 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.480 the school district doesn't have to vote to approve, 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:07.800 they can occur independent. 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.280 One way that we do have some saying, 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:16.159 the structure of these deals is through 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:17.280 the federal government's low income 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:18.800 housing tax credit program. 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.840 And so council directed staff to amend the policy 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.679 to ensure that we are trying to get as much 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:29.719 or as many of those 30 and 50% units as possible. 00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:33.159 I've already shared so much information. 00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:36.760 I'm not gonna dig in way too deep on housing tax credits, 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.199 but they are distinct from tax exemptions. 00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.639 Tax credit, money from the federal government 00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:43.519 to help with construction. 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.800 When we look at this balancing act, 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:48.159 the goal of housing tax credits 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.599 is to reduce that mortgage section. 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.699 By reducing the mortgage section, you can charge a little 00:51:53.699 --> 00:51:54.320 rent. 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.800 But housing tax credits are great. 00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:58.280 Money coming back from the federal government 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.599 has no long-term tax impact on any of our jurisdictions. 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:02.960 It's money coming to our community 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:04.440 to support affordable housing. 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.800 But they are often paired with property tax exemptions, 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.519 which do have a long-term impact on revenue. 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:19.440 So to help try and encourage more affordable housing, 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.079 developed the criteria by which the city 00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:26.800 will offer its approval for housing tax credit developments 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:26.800 . 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.760 Was changed, but a higher focus on affordability. 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.880 We're not awarding points on our matrix 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.400 for those 80 or 60% units 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:36.920 because they don't tend to lead to a rental reduction, 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.239 or they're not required to provide a rental reduction. 00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:44.679 And we're focused on those 30 and 50% units. 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:46.880 And because these tax credits are again, 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.559 going to be coming into the community 00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.079 and they don't necessarily have a long-term impact, 00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:54.480 we scale how many points we expect the development to have 00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.679 based on their property tax status. 00:52:56.679 --> 00:53:00.079 If they are a fully property tax development, 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:01.800 we have a very low threshold. 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:02.639 We think it's great. 00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.039 You wanna provide affordable housing. 00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:05.800 We're happy to support you in your application 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:07.199 to the federal government. 00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.559 If you are seeking a full property tax exemption 00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:13.880 paired with that tax credit, 00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.679 we would like to see some additional affordability 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:20.440 to ensure that the revenue that we're all foregoing 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:23.519 is being spent towards affordable housing development. 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:28.559 And when we look at the distribution of tax exemptions 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.519 in our community, we find that 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:35.239 the property tax paying affordable housing developments 00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:37.280 actually provides a slightly higher proportion 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:38.679 of 30 and 50% units 00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:41.880 than the property tax exempt developments. 00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:46.920 So the state legislature over the past few years 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:48.480 has really been digging in 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.920 on affordable housing tax exemptions. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.400 The PFC law was amended with the '88 legislative session. 00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.400 It required greater affordability, 00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.960 required more accountability and transparency 00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.719 for these types of deals. 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.800 Last legislative session, they changed the HFC 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:13.480 part of the statute to require that, 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.639 what they found is that there were municipalities 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.920 or governments across the state 00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.199 that were going to other communities, 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:25.000 signing deals to take multifamily off of the tax roll 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.440 and then netting a little bit of income off of that. 00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.039 So the state legislature said, 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:30.039 we're not doing that anymore. 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.559 If you're going to have a tax exempt deal, 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:36.719 you need the approval of the local jurisdiction 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.519 for those housing finance corporations. 00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:41.719 And we're gonna monitor the 90th legislature 00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.719 to see if they're going to take any further action 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:46.519 amending these codes or the other codes 00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:49.440 that are related to tax exemptions and affordable housing. 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.559 That's my presentation, but I'll stand for questions. 00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:56.880 - Thank you very much. 00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:58.800 I remind everyone it is one, 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:00.239 so we're at time to go right ahead. 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:01.079 Councilman Jessert. 00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:05.440 - First of all, thank you for this information. 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.639 I think this is very important for everyone 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.079 to understand where we are as we say affordable housing, 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.079 what we mean here in Denton. 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.920 And that means something different to different people. 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:20.599 In going through the matrix that you also attached 00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.880 looking at the length of time 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:24.679 that some of these developments 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:28.599 have been exempt from property taxes, 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:30.519 it seems that some of them have, 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.320 I mean not even by Denton standards, 00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.119 but even by our North Texas standards, 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:39.280 don't have any affordable units. 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.079 Do you know, is there a mechanism 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:44.800 because it seems that these terms are indefinite, 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.639 is there a mechanism to go back and say, 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.639 you have no 80%, 30%, 50%, why are you off the tax rolls? 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:54.199 - There shouldn't be, so, 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:56.480 and that might be the way we presented the information. 00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:58.440 They all speak the state requirement, 00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.079 but there are a lot of developments 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:03.679 that are on that list that have 50% market rate 00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:06.239 or unrestricted, there's no rental restriction, 00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:11.239 and 50% or a very significant portion at 80%, 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.639 which those rental caps are not set at a level 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:17.599 where we kick in for our market rate. 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:25.079 There's also, oh, I see the one you're saying, 00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.440 the heritage jokes. 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.360 I'll kick, my staff member will be texting. 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:33.440 - No, no, no, I was just curious, 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:38.440 and I'm also curious, is there a mechanism 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:43.000 by which council or do we need to go to the state level 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:46.440 to say some of these are not affordable housing 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:49.519 and should not therefore continue indefinitely 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.079 off the tax rolls not contributing to our schools 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.800 and city and county? 00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:56.679 - So the state legislature has taken action 00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:59.039 against on some of these other projects. 00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.159 So for example, on the PSC deals, 00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:03.159 which are constituted under 303, 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:05.039 they went back and said these deals 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.639 are not serving their intended purpose. 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.719 Now, if you're going to provide a tax exemption 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.519 through this method for acquisitions, 00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.480 you can only, you have to ensure that 60% 00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:20.599 of the development provides an actual rental reduction 00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:24.880 to residents, or you don't get to keep it on the tax rolls. 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.920 For the HFCs, the traveling HFCs, 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.840 the state legislature was very, 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.719 had strong feelings about it, 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:36.760 and they made it to where these traveling HFCs 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:39.159 that were taking properties off the tax rolls 00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:41.840 across the state, they said, 00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.039 not only are we not even gonna wait till September 00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.280 to sign this in the law, I'm gonna do it today, 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:48.719 but if you don't receive the municipality approval 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:52.000 by January 2021, you lose your tax exemption. 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.760 So it depends on what legislative action 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:56.800 the state could take, and now I'm getting too close 00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:58.559 to being over my skis with the legal. 00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.599 - That could be something that this group together, 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:04.119 you know, when we go down for Denton County, 00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:05.960 these et cetera, if the will is there, of course, 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:08.079 I'm not speaking for anyone else in the room, 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:11.079 but I would be interested to see if there's a consensus 00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.159 to say this shouldn't be indefinite forever, 00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:17.079 circumstances change, and there should be, 00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.039 whether it's the state, county, or city, 00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:24.320 some kind of ability to review and revise. 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:25.960 Anyways, that's my comment. 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:27.159 Thank you so much, again. 00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:31.159 - Okay, so, representative Pabla. 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:32.000 - Thank you. 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:35.800 How are these things monitored? 00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:40.800 You get the tax break, but you don't actually provide 00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:45.880 low income housing, how is that, who monitors that? 00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:48.800 - So I think it depends on the agency that provides it. 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:50.639 So for example, housing tax credit, 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.480 which I'm most familiar with, 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.659 it's the state monitors those developments 00:58:55.659 --> 00:58:58.519 for the first 15 years, and then the IRS monitors it, 00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:00.480 for the 15 years after that. 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:05.480 As far as the other things, those are probably monitored 00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.239 by the governing agencies, either the state 00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:10.559 or the tax exempting. 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.039 - So if somebody goes in and looks at the inventory 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:18.039 of units and looks at the numbers, 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:21.719 you know, this many at market rate, 00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.840 this many at 30%, this many at-- 00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:28.440 - They have to submit their rental report to show that. 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:30.440 - But they don't require that it's necessarily 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:33.119 a rental reduction, they require that you are capping 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.079 the rent at that level. 00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:38.400 So, again, an 80% unit doesn't guarantee 00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:41.000 a rental reduction, it's a commitment that they won't 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.599 raise it above the threshold that HUD sets. 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:49.679 - Okay, any other questions? 00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:51.940 Councilman Baer. 00:59:51.940 --> 00:59:52.780 - Thank you. 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:57.199 For these things, I understand that it's floating 00:59:57.199 --> 01:00:02.199 as the caps float with the various income levels 01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:04.920 for our region. 01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:09.920 Is the number that they agree to in their contracts 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:12.400 float as well? 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.679 I mean, if they agree to 15 units or 20 units 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:17.679 or whatever the appropriate number is, 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.480 what governs and who monitors the proportions? 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.719 - Yeah, it's set by those rental caps. 01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:29.440 So they say, for example, when we do a 212 agreement, 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.400 one of the city's affordable incentive programs, 01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:35.360 when we approve a LIHTC property, 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:40.360 we say we're gonna provide 50% at this AMI. 01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:44.320 And so because the AMI restriction is tied to income, 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:45.960 that's what fluctuates. 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.280 - But the number of units is going to stay fixed 01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.159 from the initial terms. 01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.400 Or the number of the percent of units is gonna stay fixed 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.199 at the time. 01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.440 - I don't believe they change, 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.320 but it would be governed by whatever the applicable law, 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:04.239 whichever of those five that they're in, 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:06.719 that they're governed by in the contracts 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:07.679 that they are providing. 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:12.679 'Cause the state says a property tax exempt property 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:17.380 under 303 will meet these requirements. 01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:22.380 It has to have at least 50% at 80% AMI, 01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:26.440 and I probably do, but they set these thresholds. 01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:30.599 And then the deals that these agencies 01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.199 that grant property tax exemptions make with the developer, 01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:34.920 they're independent so long as they stay, 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:36.440 they color within the lines. 01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.480 - Okay, that's my question, thank you. 01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:42.320 - Okay, any other questions? 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:47.000 Very good, thank you very much. 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:47.840 I appreciate it. 01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:51.960 Well, that concludes it. 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:53.599 I'll let you close and I'll close at you, 01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.719 but I'll just say thank you all very much always. 01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:59.239 And you know, it's a lot of good information. 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:03.199 I appreciate the relationship we have with DISD 01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:05.840 and the work y'all do and the students y'all serve. 01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:10.320 Everyone top to bottom that makes all that go. 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.639 A lot of them are, so thank you very much for that. 01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:15.840 And we will be, for those that don't know, 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:20.239 we'll be hosting the Ryan State Champs, 01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:22.199 rural state champs. 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.400 I think that's our next meeting, something like that. 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.559 But yeah, so we'll have them at City Hall 01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.360 if y'all wanna come in, just to make sure everyone knows. 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:33.199 But we really do appreciate what y'all do 01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:35.639 and the difference you're making in our community. 01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:38.000 Couldn't do it without you, so thank y'all very much. 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:39.800 And whatever you have to add. 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:41.920 And if you have anything, okay. 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:42.760 - I don't have anything. 01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:43.760 - Okay, all right. 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.480 Well, if you wanna adjourn. 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:50.679 - This will adjourn the DID and ISD joint meeting. 01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:53.760 - 107. - 107. 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:56.639 - Okay, and then likewise, that concludes 01:02:56.639 --> 01:03:00.119 the City Council meeting at 107, 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.760 where we convene at two o'clock at City Hall chambers. 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:03.880 All right, thank you. 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:05.960 Yeah, thank you. 01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:07.760 - Thank you for coming in.