1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 I just need a map in there. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,799 Okay, we'll get started. 3 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:07,200 Thank you everyone. 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,599 Today's presenter. 5 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:10,859 (laughing) 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,800 So today is Tuesday, July 7th, 2026. 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,679 It is 1204. 8 00:00:18,679 --> 00:00:20,920 I hope everyone had a great Easter holiday. 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,600 And with that, I will call the city of Dinton side 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,719 of the meeting order. 11 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:32,000 And we in front of the court, 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,600 let it be noted we have four. 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,439 - Okay. 14 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:35,280 - So go ahead. 15 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,000 - The joint meeting of the board of trustees 16 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,320 of Dinton ISD will be held April 7th, 2026, 17 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,679 beginning at 12 p.m. 18 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:44,960 in the city of Dinton development services business. 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,399 401 North Homes Street, Dinton, Texas 76201. 20 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,159 The subjects discussed, 21 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,039 the subjects to be discussed are considered 22 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:55,200 or upon which any formal action may be taken 23 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,520 are as listed below. 24 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,640 Items do not have to be taken in order shown 25 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,280 on the meeting notice unless removed 26 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,760 from the consent agenda items identified 27 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,120 with the consent agenda will be acted on at one time. 28 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,200 And so we'll do a call to order and we do have a form. 29 00:01:13,799 --> 00:01:14,640 - Great, okay. 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,439 And then so the first item on the work session agenda 31 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:23,439 is 3A ID 260209 receive a forehold discussion 32 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,840 regarding Dinton ISD construction 33 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,239 at Borman Elementary School. 34 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:30,599 - Thank you Mayor. 35 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:34,200 Brandon Boyder, Executive Director of Construction 36 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,560 is gonna update on Borman 37 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,200 and how ready it's going to be come August, right? 38 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,760 - Absolutely, absolutely. 39 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:44,599 - All the time. 40 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:45,840 - I'm sure everybody knows where it's at. 41 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,959 Everybody drives by it pretty often. 42 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:51,480 Borman is coming along, I would say. 43 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,280 I think we're within two weeks of the appropriate date 44 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,400 on the schedule. 45 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,200 We go through it a little bit here. 46 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:01,200 There we go. 47 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:04,079 I don't know that you really care about all these. 48 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:05,319 We are talking about Borman, 49 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:08,639 but we listed all the projects 50 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,360 that we currently have in our queue. 51 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,599 If it says in progress, 52 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:14,000 obviously the project is in progress. 53 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,039 If it says permitting, 54 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:17,439 we're either going through permitting with the city right 55 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:17,719 now 56 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:20,520 or we are going through final drawings, 57 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,919 but we're in the permitting phase 58 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,319 that all of those projects have been bid out, 59 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:27,280 taken to the board for approval. 60 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,120 That's kind of how we list them 61 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,039 in the progress or in the permitting. 62 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:33,280 So you can see there's quite a few projects 63 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,639 there on our queue for 26, 27, 28. 64 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,719 On Borman, 65 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,719 little picture here of November of 2025. 66 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:45,560 The top picture, you can kind of see where that is. 67 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,680 It's an ICF construction project. 68 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,639 The walls are up and in November, 69 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,400 we really didn't have a roof on most of the facility. 70 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,080 You can see on the bottom photo there, 71 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,400 we are in the dry, all the windows are in, 72 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,360 the roof's on, cat sheet's not on, 73 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,560 but the roof is in the dry. 74 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,879 The only portion of the building that is left open 75 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:05,120 is right there in the middle. 76 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,599 And that really is just so that we can get to the courtyard 77 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:09,560 since this building does have a courtyard. 78 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,919 We do have to get heavy equipment 79 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,159 in and out of that courtyard. 80 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:14,840 So that's kind of why you see the courtyard there 81 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,120 or that front of the building that is still open. 82 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,680 All the work going on, I won't bore you with all that. 83 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,639 You can find all of this stuff on our website, 84 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,280 but really what that says is there's a lot of people 85 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,479 in this job every day working to get it to completion. 86 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,120 The corners of the inside, 87 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,840 as well as the courtyard, the bottom photo, 88 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,479 there is the courtyard with some heavy equipment in there. 89 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:42,080 So interior, you can see finishes are already going up 90 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,240 in certain areas. 91 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,840 Certain areas, I would say, are more in the dry than others 92 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,319 because of that center section being left open, 93 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:50,039 but we do have temporary walls in there 94 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:51,879 so that we can work on those areas. 95 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:56,400 Photo of the courtyard from the second floor. 96 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,680 The bottom photo there is the gymnasium, 97 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,000 or that's what we want to call it, recreational area, 98 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,879 and that is the spot that we do have an office there 99 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:07,039 for the city. 100 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:07,879 We'll have an office there 101 00:04:07,879 --> 00:04:09,919 for after school activities in that area. 102 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:15,680 This would have been a video of Loughborough, 103 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,759 but it just kind of gives you an idea of where we at. 104 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:22,759 Obviously the original warman or this way you can't see it, 105 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:25,079 the whole plan, after we finish warman, 106 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:27,600 we will then go into the tearing down of the old warman 107 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,519 and then construct the city's soccer field 108 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:33,120 as agreed upon up in that area 109 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,279 and all the fixing that goes with that. 110 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:38,319 Any questions on that? 111 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:39,839 Yes, ma'am. 112 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,279 - I don't know if you have this information 113 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,000 as the oversee of the construction, 114 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,079 but can you talk about the capacity at the current site 115 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:50,240 and then the capacity at this new and improved? 116 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,959 - Yeah, typically we like to say 117 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:53,480 that our current elementary's, 118 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,839 the capacity is somewhere in the 750 range. 119 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,480 Obviously that is massaged a little bit. 120 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,519 Nowadays with collaboration spaces 121 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:04,319 and all the special programs that go into the school, 122 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:06,759 those numbers have to shake out a little bit, 123 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:10,439 but 750 is what we typically say that design 124 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:12,279 or elementary's will hold. 125 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,759 This building will be able to hold about nine when it's 126 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:16,199 total 127 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:19,439 and it's not that it has that many more classrooms, 128 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:21,639 it's that it has some small group instruction spaces 129 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:23,399 that are in the old building, 130 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:26,279 we're having to use a complete classroom for 12 kids 131 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,319 and we built some of those for the smaller. 132 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:31,240 So we take a little bit more efficient use of the building. 133 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:34,600 Suzanne, do you have anything on that? 134 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,480 - I was gonna say that we're also building 135 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,160 on for four pre-K classrooms. 136 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,480 - That's correct. 137 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,839 - So a building, say 10 years ago, 138 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,480 we didn't build four pre-K classrooms inside 139 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,360 and we've added that into our newer footprints as well. 140 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,720 - And may I continue? 141 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:52,560 - Absolutely. 142 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,920 - Is this pre-K through fifth? 143 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,240 - Pre-K through five, yes ma'am. 144 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,079 - Through fifth? - Yes ma'am. 145 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:00,120 - And this feeds into Calhoun, is that? 146 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,879 - This feeds into Calhoun, a little bit in the McMath. 147 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:05,920 - Yeah, a little window there at McMath 148 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,360 and that goes on there. 149 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,680 - And are there any items or kind of relics 150 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,560 from the old historic Frank Vernon School 151 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,199 that have been able to be repurposed in the new building? 152 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:18,759 - One of the unique things on this side 153 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:21,199 and why it's chosen to kind of swap land 154 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,720 with the city is the woman's up and functioning. 155 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,839 So that school, really there's nothing we can do 156 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,160 to that school right now because we are using it 157 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,120 as a functional school. 158 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,959 There is very little in that school 159 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:36,879 that we would want to pull over. 160 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:38,680 I mean, at the high school, we did some of that 161 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,839 where we saved the logo that was in the terrazzo 162 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,639 and we moved it over and we moved some things like that. 163 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,000 The trophies and all of that that are inside Mormon 164 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,040 that were one of my students, 165 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,439 all of that stuff will be moved over. 166 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:52,240 But actually on the facility, 167 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,240 there's really nothing in there that I would say is salvage 168 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,040 or usable, you know, for as far as using in the building. 169 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:01,879 - Nostalgic. 170 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:04,600 - Yeah, I don't think that there's just a ton of things 171 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,720 like you have at the high school or at the middle schools 172 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,879 where you have some of those kinds of types of things. 173 00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:10,720 Don't know if I answered that question how you want it. 174 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,680 - Yeah, I don't think I earned any trophies 175 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:13,720 when I went to Frank Vernon. 176 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:14,560 - Oh, I'm sure you did. 177 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,120 - Because I would notice if I-- 178 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,439 - No, no, I'm sure there's something there 179 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:18,279 that we're gonna make. 180 00:07:18,279 --> 00:07:19,120 - We'll get you a blank too. 181 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:19,939 - We'll get every one of those. 182 00:07:19,939 --> 00:07:20,779 - We'll get your blank. 183 00:07:20,779 --> 00:07:22,279 - We'll make one. 184 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:23,720 - Yeah, and I promise if not, 185 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,920 we'll make sure we have one for you there. 186 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,199 (laughing) 187 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:28,040 - All right, yeah, go right ahead. 188 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:28,959 - I was gonna say, 189 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:32,240 Jill, I spoke to the staff at Mormon recently 190 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,360 and as I stood in the library at Mormon, 191 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,639 I said, you know, y'all deserve a new building. 192 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:38,439 I went to Mormon as well. 193 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:40,639 But I said, I was standing here 194 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:43,160 when President Reagan was shot. 195 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:46,199 And they said, 196 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:47,519 "You were shot." 197 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:48,360 (laughing) 198 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,480 - Okay, the staff here is entirely too young. 199 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,439 But the library looks exactly the same. 200 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:57,500 But there is no memorabilia, if you will, 201 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:02,160 to take in the way that we do for our high school. 202 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,920 We did do a little event, if you will, 203 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,959 at Jennings before we brought it down. 204 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:11,000 So there'll be a timeline 205 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,120 before we can turn it over to the city. 206 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,560 So we'll have them have it. 207 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,279 - Yeah, and just timing of that, 208 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:20,040 once we move the teachers and all of their stuff 209 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,600 out of the old Mormon into the new Mormons, 210 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,560 and all the new furniture gets put in the new Mormon, 211 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,720 there's still a little bit of asbestos abatement 212 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,920 that we have to do before we can tear that school down. 213 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,879 And so then after we get all of that done, 214 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:35,919 you'll start seeing the building come down. 215 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,440 The timeline of that, 216 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,480 I think our agreement with the city 217 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,559 is we want to have the Stocktonville built 218 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,000 by the year, I think it was August of 28, I think, 219 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,679 which it'll be done way before that. 220 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,120 I mean, we're living in the first quarter of 27. 221 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,279 We think we'll have that turned back over to the city 222 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:58,679 so that they'll have a Stocktonville in that location. 223 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,720 - This park has just been great. 224 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,720 It's really worked out to the benefit of the community 225 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:08,960 as far as the swap and what everyone is willing to do. 226 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,360 And so it's very much appreciated. 227 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,919 Did anyone else go to Mormon here, by the way? 228 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:16,799 - No, I don't know if people would have been great. 229 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:19,799 (audience laughing) 230 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:26,480 - If you didn't go to Mormon and you go to Mormon, 231 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,799 it's easy to get lost in Mormon. 232 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:32,600 That building was an open concept building 233 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,360 and then got turned into a smaller compound, 234 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:35,679 it's more room-sharing thing. 235 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,639 So it's intricate. 236 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:39,120 - Mr. Saffron? - Charlie. 237 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,600 - I know when we use SCF, 238 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,879 we usually have some harder spaces for windstorms. 239 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:45,480 - Yeah, let's do that. - No, sure. 240 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,639 - Absolutely. 241 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:50,600 If I go back, Charlie's, what he's bringing up 242 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:51,679 is the wall system here. 243 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,519 And obviously the new code mandates 244 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:56,120 that we build storm shelters in facilities. 245 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,039 So the storm shelter of this particular building 246 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:02,919 is the part that's already completed, it's the gymnasium. 247 00:10:02,919 --> 00:10:04,679 That is the storm shelter for this building. 248 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,440 However, all of the walls in this particular building 249 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,440 are ICF, if you don't know what that means, 250 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,360 it's insulated concrete forms, 251 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,440 or there's insulation, and insulation, 252 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,200 there, if you put the rebar in the middle of the wall, 253 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,879 it gets anywhere from 12 to 18 inches thick. 254 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:22,679 So they can all classify as hardened areas. 255 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,039 The great thing about this is it does make 256 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:28,519 a really robust building, security-wise. 257 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:30,440 If you go to the old Texas A&M test 258 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,679 where they shoot two befores out of cannons into walls 259 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,720 and see what will go through it, 260 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,039 there's never gonna be a two before 261 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:38,200 that would go through any wall in this facility 262 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,960 because it is hardened. 263 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,320 But the storm shelter is the gym, 264 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,360 and it has its own bathroom facilities and all that 265 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,559 as ICC 500 code mandates for us to do 266 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:50,720 in this particular building. 267 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,120 But the entire building is built of the same wall system 268 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,759 that you have on the storm shelter. 269 00:10:55,759 --> 00:10:58,039 The only difference would be the roofing system 270 00:10:58,039 --> 00:10:59,559 and the holes in the walls, the windows, 271 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:00,559 and stuff like that. 272 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,759 - So what's the capacity? 273 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:06,519 How many people can you cram in there toward any of them? 274 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:08,960 - Sure, you really put me on the spot here. 275 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,240 Six square foot per person is what the code requires. 276 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,919 And if I remember right, 277 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:17,799 it is our total building population plus 20%, 278 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:19,000 something like that. 279 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,159 It is what is... 280 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,519 But here's what I'm gonna, I promise you, 281 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:26,080 that if we have an F5 tornado, 282 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,840 I don't know any, I'm just gonna speak for myself. 283 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,399 I don't need six square foot. 284 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:32,320 You don't have to stand six square foot for me. 285 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,399 You can double right on up if it's an F5 tornado 286 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:37,080 because I'm not gonna really be worried 287 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,840 about my own personal space if there's an F5 tornado 288 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,080 and we're able to be in a facility that can withstand it. 289 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,000 And this one obviously is a facility that's designed 290 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,240 to withstand those kinds of things, yeah. 291 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,120 - Council Member Burke. 292 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,960 - I was gonna ask about parking. 293 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,559 We have that softball field over there. 294 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,259 We're looking forward to soccer fields. 295 00:11:59,919 --> 00:12:03,639 Will this school accommodate additional parking 296 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:05,279 or will we need additional parking? 297 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,159 - Well, so right where the soccer field is, 298 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:11,120 we sank all of the parking lots 299 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,559 that were to the east of Borman. 300 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,019 All of those parking lots, 301 00:12:15,019 --> 00:12:16,759 the city is getting those parking lots. 302 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:20,360 So really your soccer field now has twice the parking 303 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,580 that it ever did. 304 00:12:21,580 --> 00:12:23,039 Handicapped accessible ramps, 305 00:12:23,039 --> 00:12:24,240 handicapped accessible parking, 306 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,759 where previously your soccer field was kind of located 307 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:28,879 in the center portion of that park 308 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:31,080 and really everybody had to walk to it. 309 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,440 Now the parking lot is right adjacent to your rec center. 310 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,360 So all of that parking you gained. 311 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,919 And then we also, you know, 312 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:42,080 we added a road to the south of this school, 313 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,240 grapple road, I didn't make it. 314 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,440 But, and then we also put an entrance ramp 315 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,679 off of the new road into your parking lot 316 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,320 so that nobody now, how that little intersection over there 317 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,799 was kind of a poor intersection 318 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:57,399 and just because how everything was built. 319 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:00,799 So I would say the parking has increased 100% 320 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:02,799 from what you previously had, yes ma'am. 321 00:13:02,799 --> 00:13:04,759 - Thank you. - Yes ma'am. 322 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:06,600 Okay, any other questions? 323 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,720 Seeing none, okay thank you very much. 324 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,559 - Appreciate it. 325 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,240 - That takes us to item B, ID 260208, 326 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:20,440 receive four hold of stuff 327 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,919 regarding city of Bend construction projects 328 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:24,759 surrounding Bitteniski campus. 329 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:35,600 - Hello, I'm Alice Wing, 330 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,480 Interim Director of Parks and Recreation. 331 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,919 So Garcia and I will be sharing updates 332 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,080 for capital construction projects that impact Stanton ISD. 333 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,399 First up is Deena Park. 334 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:51,120 The Deena Park Foundation is a major infrastructure 335 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,960 and amenity update. 336 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,440 The project consists of grading of the softball fields 337 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,399 for improved drainage, electrical and lighting updates, 338 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:03,679 new fencing, new trails, restroom renovations 339 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,639 and ADA accessibility upgrades. 340 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:08,879 This phase of the project is complete. 341 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:12,039 The final phase of the project will be 342 00:14:12,039 --> 00:14:14,440 the addition of the new soccer field 343 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,320 upon completion of this new Foreman Elementary 344 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,559 and demolition of the former Foreman Elementary. 345 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:24,639 And you can see here everything that's light and color 346 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:26,679 is complete and then the new field. 347 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:31,100 (indistinct) 348 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:32,600 You can have a turn like that, Snore. 349 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,600 Also, the Natatorium opened in 2003 350 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,159 and has just undergone its first major renovations 351 00:14:42,159 --> 00:14:43,440 since it was built. 352 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,120 It got a new roof, was power washed inside and out, 353 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,320 everything has been cleaned, every nook and cranny. 354 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,519 The windows and doors have been resealed, 355 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:54,559 the restrooms and hallways painted, 356 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:56,519 the sidewalks have been repaired, 357 00:14:56,519 --> 00:14:59,120 there's an entirely new pump room, 358 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,759 the pool deck and pool shell were renewed, 359 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:06,080 new lane lines and reels have been installed, 360 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,320 new lifeguard chairs, new ADA chair, 361 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,240 new UV lights and new full lights. 362 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:18,279 This just finished up on March 23rd and we're done. 363 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,879 - What are those men working on? 364 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:24,399 The flight? 365 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:25,600 Jai and Easter egg? 366 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,960 - Those are the filters in the pump room. 367 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,240 - I see. 368 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,080 - Yes. 369 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:38,559 - All right, good afternoon everybody. 370 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:41,799 Seth Garcia, Director of Capital Projects as Alison said. 371 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:43,960 So a lot of you guys have seen this information 372 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,639 so I'll run through it quickly. 373 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:47,639 We're gonna start looking at our Bonnie Bray area 374 00:15:47,639 --> 00:15:51,159 where we did in high school in Reeves Elementary area. 375 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:53,159 So to start out, Bonnie Bray phase six, 376 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:54,919 so we are in active construction. 377 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:56,639 We're getting really close to being complete 378 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:57,759 with our underground work, 379 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:01,200 which is our storm drain and water line sections. 380 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,279 You may have seen recently, 381 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:04,519 we started sub-grade operations there 382 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:06,559 at the north end near 77. 383 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:09,159 Again, our plan for this section is build 384 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:11,480 what will be the future southbound lanes, 385 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,840 get all the traffic moved over onto those future 386 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,960 southbound lanes and then build the northbound lanes. 387 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,960 So we're hoping late April, early May, 388 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,559 you're gonna start seeing the first concrete sections 389 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:25,120 going down, making good progress out there. 390 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:29,399 Again, this is a picture of the section of Riney Road 391 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:32,080 in front of Reeves Elementary that we expedited 392 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,200 and almost made it before school opened. 393 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,360 We're really close. 394 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,799 So this is a great update for you guys. 395 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:42,240 So Riney Road East is the rest of the expansion here 396 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,279 in front of Reeves Elementary going back 397 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:46,440 to the east towards US 77. 398 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,120 So we've actually begun construction on this project. 399 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,039 A portion of this project was to build concrete trails 400 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:54,960 through North Lakes Park to connect the park section 401 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,120 to the back of the elementary school. 402 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,000 That's where our contractor is currently working. 403 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,919 They're also preparing some utility relocations there 404 00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:04,559 on the roadway section. 405 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:06,640 They're moving some fire hydrants back 406 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,319 along the park section. 407 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:10,599 So you'll see sub-grade work happening 408 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:12,319 in that section soon as well. 409 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:13,559 So we're under construction. 410 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,640 They started in March and we're anticipating 411 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,559 being done Q1 of 27. 412 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:20,880 - Where are the trails, please? 413 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,960 - Trails, so they're not shown here, 414 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,279 but essentially from the last pavilion on North Lakes Park 415 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:30,079 that's in between kind of the soccer fields 416 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:33,480 and the play areas. 417 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,680 We will be extending a trail along the sides 418 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,039 of the soccer fields, in between the soccer 419 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:39,599 and football fields, and then north 420 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:41,359 into the back of the school site. 421 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,640 - So hold on. 422 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,319 First, can you repeat the question? 423 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:47,559 And then two, can we hold the questions? 424 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:48,400 - Yes, sir. 425 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,400 So the question was, where are the trails going 426 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,519 through North Lakes Park? 427 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:54,519 And so at North Lakes Park, if you're familiar 428 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:57,039 with the site, there's a large pavilion 429 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,720 just to the north of the playground area. 430 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,880 We're essentially gonna connect onto existing trails there. 431 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,480 We're gonna run along the east side of the soccer fields. 432 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,240 We'll cut in between the soccer and football fields 433 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,119 along the existing concrete path, 434 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,160 and then run north along the parking lot 435 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,759 to the back of the school site. 436 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:20,640 (pencil scratching) 437 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,599 So next, our Westgate Road Connector Project. 438 00:18:24,599 --> 00:18:28,519 This is what connects Bronco Way to the service road. 439 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:30,319 So we are substantially complete. 440 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:32,839 We were able to get some lanes of traffic open 441 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:34,400 back right around Christmas. 442 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,000 They're finishing some various punch list items, 443 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,640 but again, hopefully this is alleviated 444 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,519 some of the traffic there at Benton High School. 445 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:43,640 We are planned to be done by the end of this month 446 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,279 with punch list items. 447 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:46,400 So we will be out of there, 448 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,640 and we'll have all four lanes open for traffic. 449 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,160 So Neighborhood 2 and 6, this is one of our bond packages 450 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,200 from our 2019 Street Reconstruction Bond. 451 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,039 This whole package of 2 and 6 is roughly 120 segments. 452 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:06,079 Some of them impacted the areas around the old Calhoun site 453 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:06,079 , 454 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:07,599 and we have several street segments 455 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:10,279 around the new Calhoun site and Newton Raiser. 456 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:13,119 Good news here, we're finishing up a majority of that work. 457 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,079 We've been waiting on Atlus to finish up 458 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:17,480 some of their low pressure relocations. 459 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,599 So you'll continue to see some ongoing work 460 00:19:19,599 --> 00:19:22,279 in the area through the summer, early fall, 461 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,920 but we are on track to be complete by quarter four of 2026 462 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,960 with all the construction in this area. 463 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,599 So some more good updates, safe routes to schools. 464 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:36,079 So we have four sites that we were working on, 465 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:37,720 SRTS projects. 466 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,920 We are complete with all four. 467 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,359 So this is the last time you'll see these slides. 468 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,720 Here's some photos of the completed sidewalk segments 469 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,359 at Pecan Creek and Schulz Elementary. 470 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,920 And then also along Jennings 471 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,279 and Alexander Elementary School. 472 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:55,880 So we had various sidewalk segments 473 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,359 that were completed with those grant funds. 474 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,599 We are done, so hopefully the students are able 475 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:03,599 to enjoy those pieces of sidewalk. 476 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,440 And then one more piece of good news. 477 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,359 So our Transportation Services Department 478 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,319 has been actively pursuing some grants. 479 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:14,480 They were just awarded 4.6 million 480 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,039 in a new Safe Routes to School program. 481 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:20,559 So this is gonna be around the Calhoun Middle School 482 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:21,839 Newton Racer site. 483 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:25,039 So we're in the early, early stages of initiation 484 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:27,599 and planning, moving into design. 485 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:29,519 So essentially we'll look at all areas 486 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:32,559 within roughly a half mile of that school 487 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,880 or both school sites and see what we need to do 488 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,759 for pedestrian and safety and hamper enhancement. 489 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:41,920 So that could be sidewalks, trails, bike lanes, 490 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,079 at a minimum I think Crescent and Malone 491 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:46,400 is gonna get a refresh for some of the pedestrian 492 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,000 infrastructure that's out there. 493 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,000 So over the next 12 months we'll be evaluating 494 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,759 what all needs to happen and then probably 495 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:55,240 at our next meeting I'll have a good scope, 496 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,200 a clarification update to give you guys 497 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,400 on what we're gonna be. 498 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,240 And that is gonna happen. 499 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,440 Take any questions? 500 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:05,400 - Thank you. 501 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,240 Mayor Pro Tem. 502 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,400 - Mayor, would you like us to go through 503 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,079 these topic by topic? 504 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:11,039 'Cause I'm gonna have questions about all of them. 505 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,440 - No, as long as there are questions, we're great. 506 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,440 - Sure, sure. 507 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,640 So I did ask parents for what questions 508 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,400 they were wondering about. 509 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,960 So Bonnie Bray, phase six, there's still ongoing 510 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,920 safety concerns from parents who kind of live 511 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,680 in the Kingsridge side of Bonnie Bray, 512 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,119 traveling to Reed's Elementary with their students. 513 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,119 They're concerned about lack of traffic signals, 514 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,960 temporary safe crossing and streetlights. 515 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,680 So my question on that one is what safety measures 516 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,920 are currently being taken and do we have opportunities 517 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,039 for any further safety measures at that intersection 518 00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:47,119 of Rynie and Bonnie Bray? 519 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,640 - Yeah, great question. 520 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,680 So this is a challenge that we faced. 521 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,240 Again, there was not existing infrastructure out there. 522 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,559 A lot of the sidewalks came from one side 523 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:57,160 to this intersection and dead ended. 524 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,839 So we tried to provide as much access, 525 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:04,000 as much safe access as we could as quickly as possible. 526 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,319 Again, we were able to install some temporary crossings 527 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:09,359 to come across at this intersection 528 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,440 to focus the students towards the schools. 529 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,680 We can evaluate it and see what else can be done. 530 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,920 Again, as we go through and actually start our paving 531 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:18,759 pieces, 532 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:21,359 you'll see sidewalks and other pieces that will come in 533 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,319 along north-south Bonnie Bray. 534 00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:25,240 Again, that will provide more opportunity 535 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,400 for us to do additional pieces. 536 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,319 Again, the last thing we wanna do is put students 537 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:32,319 in an unsafe area because this is an active 538 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:33,319 construction zone. 539 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,579 So just north and south of this intersection, 540 00:22:35,579 --> 00:22:38,799 we're gonna have paving operations going on on both sides. 541 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,680 So the safest thing for us is to keep students 542 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,359 out of those areas so we can work. 543 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,279 But again, anytime we can evaluate and open up an area 544 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,200 safely for students to get through, 545 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,799 we'll continue to do that. 546 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:52,640 - Thank you. 547 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,799 And kind of still on that intersection, 548 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,680 I think some residents thought that the city was saying 549 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,079 by August 20th that that intersection would be fully 550 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:01,440 complete, 551 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,859 like 100% complete. 552 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,279 What completion did the city actually mean 553 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,440 and when would the traffic lights 554 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,480 and all the final, final stuff be added? 555 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,079 - Yeah, no, great question. 556 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:16,119 So what we meant by complete was permanent paving installed 557 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,000 through that intersection. 558 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000 So part of our phasing plan initially had this broken out 559 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,339 with several closures. 560 00:23:21,339 --> 00:23:23,980 We kind of remodified that phasing plan with our contractor 561 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:26,319 to build it in halves with a little shoe flag, 562 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:28,400 if you all remember, around the existing intersection 563 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,359 that was there. 564 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:34,240 Sidewalks, ramps, traffic signal conduits are typically 565 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,680 some of the last things that you're gonna see 566 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,980 towards the end of the project. 567 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:39,599 So as we go through and complete off the paving, 568 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:41,799 we want radiuses, we want ramps put in. 569 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:45,359 So as they start boring conduits for signals, 570 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,559 we make sure that they're out of the way 571 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,319 of where the pavement improvements are. 572 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,559 I don't have an exact off the top of my head 573 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,920 when that will fall into the exact schedule. 574 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,920 Again, it's kind of dependent on setting some 575 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,160 of those permanent pieces with the paving. 576 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,599 But again, we'll work to expedite everything that we can 577 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:02,160 to get that signal operation. 578 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,319 - And I assume the signals will go in 579 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:06,240 after the north-south lanes are constructed. 580 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,359 - That is correct. - Not before then. 581 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,039 - That is correct. 582 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:11,559 - And then the closure, I guess intermittent closures 583 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,960 between Conquest and North Elm. 584 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,359 I think there was a closure up until March 23rd, 585 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,400 and I guess it's intermittently still closed. 586 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,400 Do we have an estimated timeline 587 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,079 of when those intermittent closures will be? 588 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:23,640 - Yeah, so if it's not open already, 589 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,319 it should be getting open pretty quickly. 590 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:26,799 We were installing the final pieces 591 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,759 of drainage infrastructure that were crossing perpendicular 592 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:29,759 . 593 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,880 There's a couple of waters of the US right there. 594 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,359 There's some small creek channels 595 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:35,960 that probably shouldn't be waters of the US, 596 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,920 but they are. 597 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,160 So we were getting our final box culverts through there. 598 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,319 As soon as that's open, again, 599 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,279 we wouldn't have another closure 600 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:48,839 until we get that south side port and everybody moved over. 601 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,400 So again, we're trying to minimize those traffic impacts. 602 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,119 - I'm almost done, y'all. 603 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,799 But then I'll hand it back for a second. 604 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:59,000 And then what accommodations will there be on Bonnie Bray 605 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,579 for people bystander scooters, using scooters like students 606 00:25:02,579 --> 00:25:02,759 ? 607 00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:05,539 - Yeah, so a part of our entire Bonnie Bray program 608 00:25:05,539 --> 00:25:07,160 from phase one to phase six, 609 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,200 we're gonna have at least a 10-foot trail on one side. 610 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,039 So for this section on the east side of the roadway 611 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,240 from US 38 all the way to US 77, 612 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,160 there will be a 10-foot trail. 613 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,680 On the west side of the roadway, 614 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,039 we're gonna have a six-foot and eight-foot sidewalk, 615 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:23,640 just depending on which section that you're in. 616 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,960 So you're gonna have larger than normal sidewalks 617 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,119 on both sides. 618 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,400 Again, on the east side, on the park side, 619 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,799 you will have a 10-foot trail that'll accommodate 620 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,660 bikes, pedestrians, anything. 621 00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:36,359 - Second to last, lighting. 622 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,759 Is there any lighting planned for the side paths 623 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,039 and also along Bonnie Bray facing? 624 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,880 - Yes, so not specific to the side paths, 625 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,319 but our street lighting will accommodate 626 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,559 for lighting across those trails. 627 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:53,000 So we'll have lighting all the way from US 382, US 77, 628 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,039 the section of Riney Road. 629 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:56,720 They're actually putting in conduits right now 630 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,480 in front of the elementary school. 631 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,279 And then with the Riney Road East project, 632 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,160 we extend that lighting all the way to 77 on the east side. 633 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,519 So full lighting everywhere. 634 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,880 - I'll pass it back to Mayor on this on Bonnie Bray 635 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,000 and Riney in case anybody else has questions. 636 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,839 - Okay. 637 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,640 Council Member Beck. 638 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,000 - Thank you. 639 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,869 Seth, I had some of the same questions that Mayor Portend 640 00:26:23,869 --> 00:26:24,000 did. 641 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,319 I guess, as we stage these things 642 00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:32,640 and we have temporary access as the phasing goes forward, 643 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,440 what's the plan for the phasing 644 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,039 of various temporary bike ped measures, if you know it, 645 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:45,960 and how are we gonna communicate that with the community? 646 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,440 - Yeah, so great question. 647 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,759 A lot of communication, 648 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:51,599 the best place to go is our Disgusted website. 649 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,880 There you'll get frequent updates at least monthly. 650 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,920 You can also ask project managers 651 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,920 or it'll have project manager contact information 652 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,480 that you can reach out to. 653 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,799 So that's where we always like to point people 654 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:05,880 for the most valid updates. 655 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,720 For temporary, again, a lot of it's gonna depend 656 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,160 on the scope of work that's happening. 657 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,799 One of the questions we get asked a lot is, 658 00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,799 we want temporary things where existing pedestrian 659 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:20,680 infrastructure didn't exist before, that's hard to do. 660 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,720 So where existing sidewalks are, 661 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,799 we're either gonna clearly sign that, 662 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,720 "Hey, this is currently closed," 663 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,839 while we install drainage boxes or roadway improvements. 664 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,559 Again, part of our phasing plan will install 665 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:35,839 those sidewalks with the concrete roadway 666 00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:36,799 that's coming through. 667 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,119 So as soon as we can get sections open that are safe 668 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,599 and will get you somewhere, we'll open those up. 669 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,200 - Are you designing alternative paths for folks 670 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,640 that have to use bike path access to the schools? 671 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,319 I mean, are we going through other directions, 672 00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:55,839 even if it's more roundabout? 673 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:58,400 - Yeah, we're currently not just because a lot 674 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,200 of those areas did not have existing pedestrian pathways. 675 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,240 So if they were riding on the street, 676 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,000 they can continue riding on the street 677 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,039 through the work zone, but we didn't have 678 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,119 any continuous places of sidewalk that came 679 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,400 to any of the school system there currently. 680 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,319 - I'm gonna encourage you to be on these things 681 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:21,279 around schools to be as proactive and as push-centric 682 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:25,400 as possible to make it so that people can get 683 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,319 timely updates pushed to them as much as you can. 684 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:31,160 Thank you, sir. 685 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,000 - Absolutely. 686 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,000 - That's almost it. 687 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:37,279 - Anybody on midnight? 688 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,559 - Yeah. 689 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,799 - Chancellor Hall. 690 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:44,240 - Thank you. 691 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,039 The east end of Sunset between Carroll and Bolivar, 692 00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,079 is that imminent? 693 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,559 I mean, is it to be knocked out or finished soon? 694 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,759 - Yes, so I believe you're referring to 695 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:01,279 in the two and six project. 696 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,319 Yeah, so we had our first portions of paving go down, 697 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:06,839 I think a little over a week ago. 698 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:08,559 So as soon as they get all the remainder 699 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:09,960 of the concrete flatwork, 700 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,759 they'll finish the last two layers of asphalt. 701 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:16,480 - Part of that will be curved for the first time ever. 702 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,160 - Yes, yeah. 703 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,960 Yeah, section between Bolivar and-- 704 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:24,400 - Right, adjacent off, right at the corner. 705 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,240 - Yes, sir. 706 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,440 - Very nice, thank you. 707 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,279 - You bet. 708 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,640 - Chancellor Jesser. 709 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,799 - I've got a couple of questions. 710 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,640 I don't think I need to take up everyone's time for, 711 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,160 but if I could just catch you maybe 712 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,359 in between meetings today, I've got a couple. 713 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:39,599 - Yes ma'am. - Thank you. 714 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,160 - Yep. 715 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,759 - Two comments, two questions. 716 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,680 I did get parent feedback, they love the sidewalks 717 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,279 by Alexander, so I guess parents are using those 718 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:50,359 and they really like that. 719 00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,880 They're really excited about the Safe Rocks to School 720 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,519 project 721 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,079 around Newton Razor, other parents are. 722 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,359 Two questions about Westgate/Bronco Way. 723 00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,960 - A parent is concerned about the lack of streetlights 724 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,160 along Bronco Way near DHS and was wondering 725 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,720 if there is opportunity to add streetlights 726 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,160 or any plans to do so. 727 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,559 - Yeah, so that part of the road was built by development. 728 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,880 We actually recently had a question that came through 729 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,559 Mobility Committee about the same section. 730 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:20,400 So I got with DME, they don't have a current project there, 731 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,799 but now that we've been notified, 732 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:24,319 we can start programming it into either the capital plan 733 00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:25,960 or the streetline plan for DME 734 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,119 to see if we can get streetlights added in. 735 00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:32,480 But currently there is no project for that section. 736 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,680 - And then final question, I heard from a Westgate resident 737 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,960 that I think their understanding was the plan was 738 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,319 for northbound traffic on Westgate that they cannot turn 739 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,599 right on Bronco Way heading towards Denton High School. 740 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,559 I was able to find the video where I think it was supposed 741 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,160 to be a bug out to discourage it, 742 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,039 but you can't 100% deny people from turning right. 743 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,720 So I don't necessarily need an answer, 744 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,279 but just that's something that the neighbors 745 00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:57,119 are concerned about. 746 00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:00,880 I guess a lot of cut through traffic coming up Westgate 747 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,559 to skip all the traffic on Bonnie Way 748 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,480 and the flying down Westgate it sounds like. 749 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,720 - Yeah, so we do have signage that's going in there 750 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,519 that says no right turn, left turn only, 751 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:13,039 and not a student drop off location. 752 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:16,079 Again, part of the geometry of the roadway does point 753 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,880 for a put it left out to try and force people 754 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,680 to go back towards 35. 755 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,079 So again, once we get all the infrastructure installed 756 00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,640 and that is complete, we can probably reach out to PD 757 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,519 and see if some sort of enforcement 758 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,440 or something there can help. 759 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,440 But we did not include the poor chop design. 760 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,000 There were some concerns with our transportation department 761 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,039 on how that was gonna impact. 762 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:37,720 People are just gonna drive around it 763 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,079 and do the wrong thing like at Torchies. 764 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,119 So again, we can continue looking at some other options 765 00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:43,960 to help enforce that. 766 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,799 - I appreciate it. 767 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,400 That is all I have, thank you. 768 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,000 - All right, any other questions? 769 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,039 Good example on Torchies, that's a challenge. 770 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:53,279 - Yes, sir. 771 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,079 - Just as HEB is going in. 772 00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,000 So a couple of things. 773 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,279 The, go back to the screen, there was a, 774 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,519 I mean, second slide, Mormon. 775 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:13,559 And if I get the, someone from the school board's input, 776 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,720 so I'm assuming they'll come in near the, 777 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160 to the south there, that's the front of the school. 778 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,880 And then I'm just curious about the queuing, 779 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,680 because it'll wrap around in a good way. 780 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,880 So if it's up against that north curve, 781 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,519 is there enough space for people to leave? 782 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,519 - So Mayor, how the queuing is, 783 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,160 those roads are not gonna be one way in and one way out. 784 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,480 The road plan west, as we look at to the left, 785 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,480 that is the entrance. 786 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,920 If you're coming, the front of the school 787 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,720 is still facing the Mormon community, as always. 788 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,680 So you will enter from that road, you will drop off, 789 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,119 and you will leave through the road 790 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:52,720 that's right there by the rec center. 791 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,119 So those will be one way. 792 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,680 And so you can imagine the queuing there is massive 793 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,160 compared to what we previously had. 794 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,160 So you can queue all the way down, 795 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,400 you'll drop off your student, your passenger door, 796 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,519 or the passenger side, and then you will leave 797 00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:08,200 right there, about between the rec center 798 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640 and the soccer field, one way out. 799 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,039 And so that is still the front of the school. 800 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:14,920 There is an entrance from the back. 801 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,519 We typically like to separate pedestrians, 802 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:20,920 or cars from buses. 803 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,200 So the plan right now is that buses will enter 804 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,119 from the south road, drop off and leave 805 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,319 so that we don't mix those two together. 806 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:31,400 And there is also a door that they can enter 807 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240 from that side as well that will be manned. 808 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,000 So we'll have parents dropping off at the front, 809 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,160 bike riders, walkers coming from the front, 810 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,240 and then we have buses coming from the south. 811 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,279 - Thank you, appreciate that. 812 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,039 And then, Seth, if you wanna touch on the, 813 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,400 you can't even sidewalk, 'cause that will help also 814 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,279 with Alex, now again, I don't know if we have anything 815 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,160 to help them cross the street, but if you can touch 816 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,000 on that project. 817 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000 - Yeah, so we had an interim project for McKinney Sidewalks 818 00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:59,000 . 819 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,440 This goes from Loop 288 on the east, 820 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,720 all the way to Woodrow Audra. 821 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,720 So that has begun construction there, 822 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,519 during the process of staking right away and starting. 823 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,079 So you're gonna have a variable width sidewalk 824 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,159 that is continuous on the south side of the roadway, 825 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:17,360 all the way from Loop 288 to the Woodrow Audra section. 826 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,760 And I believe we're supposed to be done 827 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,119 in roughly six months from now. 828 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,400 It just began construction in March. 829 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,119 - And then similarly, you wanna touch on Woodrow 830 00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:29,039 and Morris, the signal light, the status, 831 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:30,960 'cause that affects-- 832 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,679 - Yeah, that is actually our transportation services group. 833 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,719 I don't know, I know various infrastructure is going in, 834 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,840 the ramps are in, the signal should be going up. 835 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,599 I would estimate within the next few months, 836 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,099 you'll see the signal up and activated at that intersection 837 00:34:43,099 --> 00:34:43,280 . 838 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,920 - So those buses trying to get out on Audra 839 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,320 and all those things, or parents getting in across that, 840 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,519 that'll be much improved. 841 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:54,599 And then lastly, and this is not on your presentation, 842 00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,320 but related, so two things. 843 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,360 Calhoun, is there someone driving by there every now and 844 00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,800 again 845 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,880 just to make sure no one's moving in, right? 846 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,840 Delicate as I can say it, but two, 847 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,920 have we continued discussions about the tennis court 848 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,559 and how we can activate those areas 849 00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:13,960 and work together on those. 850 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,280 - I can talk about that. 851 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,679 We are, Parks and Recreation has just taken possession 852 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:24,280 of the tennis courts and the field space 853 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,119 in front of the old Calhoun Middle School. 854 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,039 We are going to go to the John B. Denton 855 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:35,719 Neighborhood Association meeting in April 856 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,159 to engage the community about what they would like 857 00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,079 to see those courts become. 858 00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,119 They'll still be courts, but are they, 859 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:44,760 right now they're tennis courts. 860 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,239 Do they want basketball, would they like pickleball? 861 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,880 What kind of court activities 862 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,559 would they prefer to have there? 863 00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:53,480 We'll take input from the meeting 864 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,320 and we'll also have online form 865 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,960 to engage the greater community. 866 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,280 And then fairly immediately do some improvements 867 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,400 on those courts, repair the concrete, 868 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,360 make sure that everything is safe for play 869 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,400 and set those up to be what they shall become. 870 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,679 - Okay, great, thanks for that update. 871 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:16,079 And then lastly, again, not on your slides, 872 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,719 but I would advocate, and it's a not today thing, 873 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,480 but I'm just planting the seed. 874 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,159 I would love for the city to facilitate a meeting 875 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,320 with the city, the school district and TechStop 876 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,679 to talk about access from University Drive 877 00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,719 to what was Newton Raysor's site, 878 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,239 because I think it adds value if we can navigate that. 879 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000 And if, you know, again, it's whatever that is 880 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,239 to bridge that gap there 881 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,280 or find an alternative access, 882 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,760 but I think when we're trying to help our, 883 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,360 the numbers are substantial, you know, 884 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,360 the value added between Starbucks 885 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,480 and those other things that came back on the tax roll. 886 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,199 So in this instance, to have add value 887 00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:59,400 to that piece of property, 888 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,639 I think if it had University access, 889 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:05,199 access from University Drive, it enhances that 890 00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:07,920 and just helps us all by proxy. 891 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,800 So I would think there would be that the accrued meeting 892 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,159 to have to try to see if we can one, 893 00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,480 figure out how to span that ditch area, 894 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,880 that runoff or whatever, and two, market, 895 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,079 so that they can market that as access 896 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,840 or, you know, pending approval, all those things. 897 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,360 But for what it's worth, I just think 898 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,159 that's a great opportunity to help them, 899 00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:34,320 help everyone else, and I think it enhances 900 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,679 the quality of project, 'cause the alternative is 901 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:43,400 somebody's gonna put a multi-family thing on there. 902 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,400 You know, just, I just like to see it highest in values. 903 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,440 Right, so, understood? 904 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,199 Any other questions? 905 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:52,519 Great, thank you very much. 906 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,000 That takes us to item C, ID 260207, 907 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,800 see reportable discussion regarding 908 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,280 property tax exemptions and multi-family 909 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,480 affordable housing in the City of Denton. 910 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:24,280 - Good afternoon, Council and Trustees. 911 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,880 My name is Jesse Kidd, I'm the Director 912 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,679 of Community Services for the City of Denton, 913 00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:29,280 and I'm excited to talk to you about 914 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,239 tax exemptions and affordable housing. 915 00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,000 About one in every three renting household, 916 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,440 according to the American Community Survey, 917 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,519 the census is severely cost burdened, 918 00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,000 that means they pay more than half 919 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,280 of their income in rent every month. 920 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:47,760 58% are cost burdened, they pay more than 921 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,639 a third of their income in rent every month. 922 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:53,079 And so over the past several months, 923 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:55,079 the City has been evaluating our 924 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,400 affordable housing programming, 925 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,519 and looking at ways that we can improve 926 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,119 the ways we're incentivizing affordable 927 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:03,800 housing development within the City. 928 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,400 We're gonna do a little bit of, 929 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,480 drinking from a fire hose here, 930 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,519 there's so much to talk about around 931 00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:14,400 affordable housing and so many things that are relevant. 932 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,840 There are two really important topics or concepts. 933 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,239 There's one, it's the median income, 934 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,039 the area median income, and the other 935 00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:22,239 is rental restrictions. 936 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,960 So affordable housing in the United States 937 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,519 looks at income through the lens of area median income. 938 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,239 A lot of them are federal programs. 939 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,239 Any program that has to serve 350 million people 940 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,119 is going to lose nuance throughout it. 941 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:41,519 And so when we look at income here in our community, 942 00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:45,239 we are looped in with the Dallas Fair Market region. 943 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,119 I've got it mapped out in here in blue. 944 00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,599 And there are a lot of high income areas 945 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,559 within that blue area. 946 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,559 So typically, housing programs focus on those households 947 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,760 at 30, 50, and 80% of that area median income. 948 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,960 Those are considered low income households. 949 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,119 And for the purposes of these programs, 950 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,679 we're measured against them. 951 00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:11,679 In 2024, the Denton's median income was $80,900. 952 00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,800 But we are held to the affordability standards 953 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,559 and income for the Dallas Fair Market region, 954 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,639 which is significantly higher at $110,000. 955 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,159 48% of Denton households, just in general, 956 00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,960 according to this definition, are considered low income. 957 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,920 So what does that look like in terms of actual incomes 958 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,039 when we look at a household of four 959 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,400 at low, that is considered low income, 960 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,360 that's set at that $93,850 a year. 961 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,719 At very low income or 50% AMI, you're at $3,650. 962 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,760 And then the extremely low income households 963 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,280 are those that earn $35,000 or less 964 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,599 for that household of four. 965 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,000 These scale based on the household size. 966 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,079 So as the household size decreases, 967 00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,400 the amount of money that you need to be able to pay rent 968 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,400 to live in a household that accommodates a family 969 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,719 at that size decreases along with it. 970 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,480 And it steps through this function. 971 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:18,480 So you have income, and on the other side, 972 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,840 there are rental limits. 973 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,840 So HUD's programming that incentivizes affordable housing 974 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,199 that provides incentives, monetary benefits, 975 00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:28,679 other programs looks and says, 976 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,079 for those households that make those incomes, 977 00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,199 what would we need to cap the rent at 978 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,519 so that they weren't paying a substantial portion 979 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,000 of their income in rent? 980 00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:45,599 So these are the rental limits that are most often apply, 981 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,920 that apply here in the city of Dunton for those programs. 982 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,599 So for example, that four person household 983 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:58,599 could choose to rent that's making 93,850 a year, 984 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,599 could rent a three bedroom apartment 985 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,920 that has taken advantage of these incentives 986 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,280 or these financing in some way, 987 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,440 they cannot be charged more than 2,400 a month in rent, 988 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,280 2,441. 989 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:14,920 We look at income for our region, 990 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,800 we say based on that income, 991 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,800 households should only pay this much. 992 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,119 Based on that reasoning, 993 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:21,960 we set rental limits for programming. 994 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,869 So when we look at the most common occupations here in Dun 995 00:42:27,869 --> 00:42:28,320 ton 996 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,000 and compare that with where we see the market rent at, 997 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,039 these are the top 10 highest, excuse me, 998 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,679 largest workforce industries or not industries, 999 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:43,920 but professions within Dunton County. 1000 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,559 They account for about 22% of all Dunton workers. 1001 00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:51,760 And you can see that based on their income, 1002 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,760 what 30% of it is, 1003 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,760 they don't often reach a level 1004 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,760 that makes housing affordable for them. 1005 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,440 When we place income restrictions on units, 1006 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,920 say at the 50% AMI level, 1007 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,239 it becomes more affordable, 1008 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,320 but still not that definition of affordable 1009 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,079 for a lot of folks. 1010 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,079 And then when you do 30%, 1011 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:16,599 that's when you're really reaching a level 1012 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:17,880 that is affordable, 1013 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,679 that folks are able to provide affordability. 1014 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:23,280 The very last one is what I've got online 1015 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,480 for a starting DISD school teacher salary. 1016 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,519 So that's just for your benefit. 1017 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,320 Housing is considered affordable 1018 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,280 if a low income household spends 30% of their income 1019 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,599 or less on housing. 1020 00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:41,559 So we have those income that were assessed 1021 00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:43,360 against the Dallas region. 1022 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,579 We income qualify apartments that participated in 1023 00:43:47,579 --> 00:43:48,159 programming 1024 00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:51,280 and we set rents based on those income levels. 1025 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,199 So income qualified apartments set rents 1026 00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:57,039 based on what a household at their target AMI can afford 1027 00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:58,719 based on that 30% rule. 1028 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,800 In Denton, the market rate that we see here 1029 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,800 falls below the affordable rate for an 80% AMI unit. 1030 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,039 So when we look at our programming, 1031 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:16,480 when we look at the projects we're trying to encourage, 1032 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,480 we are looking to encourage as much 50% and 30% AMI 1033 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,159 development as possible. 1034 00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:26,519 Those are those units that we call affordable for Denton. 1035 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:29,159 So the market rate, 1036 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,559 if we were just kind of stacking on the AMI chart 1037 00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,000 according to the 2024 ACS, 1038 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,599 it was about 63%. 1039 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:39,440 So it falls right around that 63% marker. 1040 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,639 And that's not a trend that is new 1041 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,920 or it is suddenly happening. 1042 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,639 When we look at the rental rates and the income, 1043 00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:53,719 or excuse me, the market rate for the past 10 years, 1044 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:54,800 that's been the case. 1045 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,159 Those low income rental restrictions 1046 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:01,039 do not fall below for those 80% units, 1047 00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:05,159 do not fall below the market rate here in Denton. 1048 00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:08,400 Those 50 and 30% units have historically, 1049 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,280 those are the ones that are most likely 1050 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,159 to lead to a rental reduction for a resident. 1051 00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,400 (mouse clicking) 1052 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,000 So tax exemption, 1053 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,719 how does it play into all of these things? 1054 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,800 We've got people who are spending too much 1055 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,920 of their money on rent. 1056 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,519 We have now categorized ourselves based on our region, 1057 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,079 what incomes are, 1058 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,480 and HUD has helped us set rental limits for them. 1059 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,440 Many affordable housing developments utilize tax exemptions 1060 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,239 as part of their financing structure 1061 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,760 to increase the affordability of the property. 1062 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,800 The idea being, if you do not have to pay property taxes, 1063 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,199 you do not need to recoup as much rental revenue. 1064 00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:50,920 You can afford to charge less. 1065 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,360 So in Denton, there are 22 properties with tax exemptions. 1066 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,159 And this is a little bit out of date. 1067 00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:02,000 There are six more that are in construction. 1068 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,400 The number is a little bit higher now, 1069 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,039 but there are five different taxing exemptions 1070 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,280 that a developer could use for these things. 1071 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,519 So when we estimate just on population data for the census 1072 00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:15,760 on what the average household size is 1073 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,119 for renting households, 1074 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,400 what portion of those are school-age children, 1075 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,599 we see about, we estimate about 1,650 children that, 1076 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,679 or school-age children that live in these taxes 1077 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:29,239 and developments. 1078 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,199 And then we anticipate based on these ones 1079 00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:32,199 that are in construction, 1080 00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:34,760 at least 500 more school-age children 1081 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,559 that will need education. 1082 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:40,440 This is a busy slide, 1083 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,480 so it's a little bit better for posterity, 1084 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,360 but there are a number of different legal vehicles 1085 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,519 that a developer or a complex can use 1086 00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:53,840 to secure a tax exemption to provide affordable housing. 1087 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,360 The city has a public facility corporation. 1088 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,800 It's not currently active on any projects. 1089 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,239 We are not currently granting any tax exemptions. 1090 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,639 The housing authority through chapter 392 1091 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:06,440 of the Texas Local Government Code is active 1092 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,639 and provides tax exemptions for properties. 1093 00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:12,760 There are housing finance corporations, 1094 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,840 there are Chodos, 1095 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,000 there are community housing development organizations, 1096 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,679 and then there's just exemptions for nonprofits. 1097 00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:21,719 It's not really, we need to get too bogged down, 1098 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,000 but there are different ways to achieve a tax exemption 1099 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,480 to provide affordable housing. 1100 00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,119 Okay, so putting all that together, 1101 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,119 there are people who are paying too much in rent. 1102 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:39,239 We need to find a way to reduce the rent, 1103 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,280 but these apartment complexes, they're businesses, 1104 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,519 they have to raise a certain amount of revenue in rent 1105 00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,400 to be able to pay for their expenses. 1106 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,159 As a community or as a state, 1107 00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,400 there is not always a lot that we can do about 1108 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,320 what is the interest rate on lending, 1109 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,199 how much does construction cost, 1110 00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:02,309 what is the going rate for personnel to run the development 1111 00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:02,500 . 1112 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,679 But one thing that we can do 1113 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:06,719 that the state has given us tools to do is say, 1114 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,920 "Well, we can eliminate this property tax expenditure 1115 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,840 for it, and in exchange, you'll agree to cap rents 1116 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,000 at a certain amount for a certain number of units 1117 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,880 at certain levels." 1118 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,840 And the idea is that when we eliminate that expense, 1119 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,320 we are able to retain balance in the budgets 1120 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,079 of these businesses while charging less for rent. 1121 00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:33,119 That's the intention of property tax exemptions 1122 00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:33,960 in this concept. 1123 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,039 And so when we look at our community, 1124 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:42,880 what we've seen is there are a lot of properties, 1125 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,440 a lot of valuation and revenue that is foregone 1126 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,000 by the three taxing jurisdictions, 1127 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,960 you all the school district, the city and the county, 1128 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,960 that we give up to try and provide affordable housing 1129 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,000 for our community because it is such an intense need. 1130 00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:03,679 But what we found is that a lot of the rental restrictions 1131 00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:05,679 that are exchanged for that revenue 1132 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,280 are often not at a level that leads to a rental reduction. 1133 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,559 I've got it broken out by market units 1134 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,719 because in some mixed unit developments, 1135 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,719 you can have market rate units in them. 1136 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,800 They help to balance and offset the cost 1137 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,719 of affordable units, that's great. 1138 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,599 We don't have a problem with market rate units. 1139 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,119 There are 80% units, which is the majority 1140 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,400 of these tax exempt units. 1141 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,480 And that category also includes some 60% units. 1142 00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:36,679 There's a good proportion of those 1143 00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:38,199 that are actually 60% units, 1144 00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:42,159 but when the city characterizes our housing plans 1145 00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,480 and our strategy plans, strategic plans, excuse me, 1146 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,320 we include 60 and 80% together. 1147 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,360 Those 60%, if I can go back, 1148 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,679 again, that's right around where we've seen the market, 1149 00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,360 it doesn't lead to a significant rental reduction. 1150 00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:00,440 So based on the estimates, 1151 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,960 because we don't have complete data on rent, 1152 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,199 based on the data that we have available 1153 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,440 and where we see the rental caps at, 1154 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,320 we estimate that our community is exchanging 1155 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,360 or we're forgoing about $15 million annually in revenue 1156 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,280 in exchange for $1.2 million in rental reductions. 1157 00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:21,719 That might not be, that's our best estimate 1158 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,440 based on the information that we have. 1159 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,599 And that will continue to grow. 1160 00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:28,760 There's 5,000 multifamily units in development 1161 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,639 in the city of Denton right now. 1162 00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,400 Half of them are expected to have a property tax exemption. 1163 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,159 So the city council reviewed this data, 1164 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:41,079 reviewed this information. 1165 00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:43,320 We had a work session last November 1166 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,519 and the city council directed staff to change our policies 1167 00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:51,519 on how we are affording our tax incentives. 1168 00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:55,079 So I didn't mention on the slide, 1169 00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,599 but most of these tax exemptions occur 1170 00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,840 without jurisdictional oversight. 1171 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,400 The city doesn't have to vote to approve, 1172 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,480 the school district doesn't have to vote to approve, 1173 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,800 they can occur independent. 1174 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,280 One way that we do have some saying, 1175 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,159 the structure of these deals is through 1176 00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:17,280 the federal government's low income 1177 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,800 housing tax credit program. 1178 00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:22,840 And so council directed staff to amend the policy 1179 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,679 to ensure that we are trying to get as much 1180 00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:29,719 or as many of those 30 and 50% units as possible. 1181 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,159 I've already shared so much information. 1182 00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,760 I'm not gonna dig in way too deep on housing tax credits, 1183 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,199 but they are distinct from tax exemptions. 1184 00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,639 Tax credit, money from the federal government 1185 00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:43,519 to help with construction. 1186 00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:45,800 When we look at this balancing act, 1187 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,159 the goal of housing tax credits 1188 00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:50,599 is to reduce that mortgage section. 1189 00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,699 By reducing the mortgage section, you can charge a little 1190 00:51:53,699 --> 00:51:54,320 rent. 1191 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,800 But housing tax credits are great. 1192 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,280 Money coming back from the federal government 1193 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,599 has no long-term tax impact on any of our jurisdictions. 1194 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:02,960 It's money coming to our community 1195 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,440 to support affordable housing. 1196 00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:08,800 But they are often paired with property tax exemptions, 1197 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,519 which do have a long-term impact on revenue. 1198 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,440 So to help try and encourage more affordable housing, 1199 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,079 developed the criteria by which the city 1200 00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:26,800 will offer its approval for housing tax credit developments 1201 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:26,800 . 1202 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,760 Was changed, but a higher focus on affordability. 1203 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,880 We're not awarding points on our matrix 1204 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,400 for those 80 or 60% units 1205 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,920 because they don't tend to lead to a rental reduction, 1206 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,239 or they're not required to provide a rental reduction. 1207 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,679 And we're focused on those 30 and 50% units. 1208 00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:46,880 And because these tax credits are again, 1209 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,559 going to be coming into the community 1210 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,079 and they don't necessarily have a long-term impact, 1211 00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:54,480 we scale how many points we expect the development to have 1212 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,679 based on their property tax status. 1213 00:52:56,679 --> 00:53:00,079 If they are a fully property tax development, 1214 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:01,800 we have a very low threshold. 1215 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,639 We think it's great. 1216 00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:04,039 You wanna provide affordable housing. 1217 00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:05,800 We're happy to support you in your application 1218 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,199 to the federal government. 1219 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:11,559 If you are seeking a full property tax exemption 1220 00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,880 paired with that tax credit, 1221 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,679 we would like to see some additional affordability 1222 00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:20,440 to ensure that the revenue that we're all foregoing 1223 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,519 is being spent towards affordable housing development. 1224 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,559 And when we look at the distribution of tax exemptions 1225 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,519 in our community, we find that 1226 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,239 the property tax paying affordable housing developments 1227 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,280 actually provides a slightly higher proportion 1228 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,679 of 30 and 50% units 1229 00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:41,880 than the property tax exempt developments. 1230 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,920 So the state legislature over the past few years 1231 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,480 has really been digging in 1232 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,920 on affordable housing tax exemptions. 1233 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,400 The PFC law was amended with the '88 legislative session. 1234 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,400 It required greater affordability, 1235 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,960 required more accountability and transparency 1236 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,719 for these types of deals. 1237 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,800 Last legislative session, they changed the HFC 1238 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,480 part of the statute to require that, 1239 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,639 what they found is that there were municipalities 1240 00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:17,920 or governments across the state 1241 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,199 that were going to other communities, 1242 00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:25,000 signing deals to take multifamily off of the tax roll 1243 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,440 and then netting a little bit of income off of that. 1244 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,039 So the state legislature said, 1245 00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:30,039 we're not doing that anymore. 1246 00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:32,559 If you're going to have a tax exempt deal, 1247 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:36,719 you need the approval of the local jurisdiction 1248 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,519 for those housing finance corporations. 1249 00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:41,719 And we're gonna monitor the 90th legislature 1250 00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,719 to see if they're going to take any further action 1251 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,519 amending these codes or the other codes 1252 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,440 that are related to tax exemptions and affordable housing. 1253 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,559 That's my presentation, but I'll stand for questions. 1254 00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:56,880 - Thank you very much. 1255 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,800 I remind everyone it is one, 1256 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,239 so we're at time to go right ahead. 1257 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,079 Councilman Jessert. 1258 00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,440 - First of all, thank you for this information. 1259 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,639 I think this is very important for everyone 1260 00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:12,079 to understand where we are as we say affordable housing, 1261 00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:14,079 what we mean here in Denton. 1262 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,920 And that means something different to different people. 1263 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,599 In going through the matrix that you also attached 1264 00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:22,880 looking at the length of time 1265 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,679 that some of these developments 1266 00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:28,599 have been exempt from property taxes, 1267 00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:30,519 it seems that some of them have, 1268 00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,320 I mean not even by Denton standards, 1269 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,119 but even by our North Texas standards, 1270 00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,280 don't have any affordable units. 1271 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,079 Do you know, is there a mechanism 1272 00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,800 because it seems that these terms are indefinite, 1273 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,639 is there a mechanism to go back and say, 1274 00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:52,639 you have no 80%, 30%, 50%, why are you off the tax rolls? 1275 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,199 - There shouldn't be, so, 1276 00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:56,480 and that might be the way we presented the information. 1277 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,440 They all speak the state requirement, 1278 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,079 but there are a lot of developments 1279 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:03,679 that are on that list that have 50% market rate 1280 00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:06,239 or unrestricted, there's no rental restriction, 1281 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:11,239 and 50% or a very significant portion at 80%, 1282 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,639 which those rental caps are not set at a level 1283 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:17,599 where we kick in for our market rate. 1284 00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:25,079 There's also, oh, I see the one you're saying, 1285 00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,440 the heritage jokes. 1286 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,360 I'll kick, my staff member will be texting. 1287 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,440 - No, no, no, I was just curious, 1288 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:38,440 and I'm also curious, is there a mechanism 1289 00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:43,000 by which council or do we need to go to the state level 1290 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,440 to say some of these are not affordable housing 1291 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,519 and should not therefore continue indefinitely 1292 00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:52,079 off the tax rolls not contributing to our schools 1293 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:53,800 and city and county? 1294 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,679 - So the state legislature has taken action 1295 00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,039 against on some of these other projects. 1296 00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,159 So for example, on the PSC deals, 1297 00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,159 which are constituted under 303, 1298 00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:05,039 they went back and said these deals 1299 00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,639 are not serving their intended purpose. 1300 00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,719 Now, if you're going to provide a tax exemption 1301 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,519 through this method for acquisitions, 1302 00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:16,480 you can only, you have to ensure that 60% 1303 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,599 of the development provides an actual rental reduction 1304 00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:24,880 to residents, or you don't get to keep it on the tax rolls. 1305 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,920 For the HFCs, the traveling HFCs, 1306 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,840 the state legislature was very, 1307 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,719 had strong feelings about it, 1308 00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:36,760 and they made it to where these traveling HFCs 1309 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,159 that were taking properties off the tax rolls 1310 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:41,840 across the state, they said, 1311 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,039 not only are we not even gonna wait till September 1312 00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:46,280 to sign this in the law, I'm gonna do it today, 1313 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,719 but if you don't receive the municipality approval 1314 00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:52,000 by January 2021, you lose your tax exemption. 1315 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,760 So it depends on what legislative action 1316 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,800 the state could take, and now I'm getting too close 1317 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,559 to being over my skis with the legal. 1318 00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:02,599 - That could be something that this group together, 1319 00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:04,119 you know, when we go down for Denton County, 1320 00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:05,960 these et cetera, if the will is there, of course, 1321 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,079 I'm not speaking for anyone else in the room, 1322 00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,079 but I would be interested to see if there's a consensus 1323 00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:14,159 to say this shouldn't be indefinite forever, 1324 00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:17,079 circumstances change, and there should be, 1325 00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,039 whether it's the state, county, or city, 1326 00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:24,320 some kind of ability to review and revise. 1327 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,960 Anyways, that's my comment. 1328 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,159 Thank you so much, again. 1329 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:31,159 - Okay, so, representative Pabla. 1330 00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:32,000 - Thank you. 1331 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,800 How are these things monitored? 1332 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,800 You get the tax break, but you don't actually provide 1333 00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:45,880 low income housing, how is that, who monitors that? 1334 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,800 - So I think it depends on the agency that provides it. 1335 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,639 So for example, housing tax credit, 1336 00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:52,480 which I'm most familiar with, 1337 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,659 it's the state monitors those developments 1338 00:58:55,659 --> 00:58:58,519 for the first 15 years, and then the IRS monitors it, 1339 00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,480 for the 15 years after that. 1340 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,480 As far as the other things, those are probably monitored 1341 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,239 by the governing agencies, either the state 1342 00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:10,559 or the tax exempting. 1343 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,039 - So if somebody goes in and looks at the inventory 1344 00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:18,039 of units and looks at the numbers, 1345 00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,719 you know, this many at market rate, 1346 00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,840 this many at 30%, this many at-- 1347 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,440 - They have to submit their rental report to show that. 1348 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,440 - But they don't require that it's necessarily 1349 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,119 a rental reduction, they require that you are capping 1350 00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,079 the rent at that level. 1351 00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,400 So, again, an 80% unit doesn't guarantee 1352 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,000 a rental reduction, it's a commitment that they won't 1353 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,599 raise it above the threshold that HUD sets. 1354 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,679 - Okay, any other questions? 1355 00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:51,940 Councilman Baer. 1356 00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:52,780 - Thank you. 1357 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,199 For these things, I understand that it's floating 1358 00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:02,199 as the caps float with the various income levels 1359 01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:04,920 for our region. 1360 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,920 Is the number that they agree to in their contracts 1361 01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:12,400 float as well? 1362 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,679 I mean, if they agree to 15 units or 20 units 1363 01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,679 or whatever the appropriate number is, 1364 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,480 what governs and who monitors the proportions? 1365 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,719 - Yeah, it's set by those rental caps. 1366 01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:29,440 So they say, for example, when we do a 212 agreement, 1367 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,400 one of the city's affordable incentive programs, 1368 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,360 when we approve a LIHTC property, 1369 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,360 we say we're gonna provide 50% at this AMI. 1370 01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:44,320 And so because the AMI restriction is tied to income, 1371 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,960 that's what fluctuates. 1372 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,280 - But the number of units is going to stay fixed 1373 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,159 from the initial terms. 1374 01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:55,400 Or the number of the percent of units is gonna stay fixed 1375 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,199 at the time. 1376 01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,440 - I don't believe they change, 1377 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,320 but it would be governed by whatever the applicable law, 1378 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,239 whichever of those five that they're in, 1379 01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:06,719 that they're governed by in the contracts 1380 01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:07,679 that they are providing. 1381 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:12,679 'Cause the state says a property tax exempt property 1382 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,380 under 303 will meet these requirements. 1383 01:01:17,380 --> 01:01:22,380 It has to have at least 50% at 80% AMI, 1384 01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:26,440 and I probably do, but they set these thresholds. 1385 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,599 And then the deals that these agencies 1386 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:33,199 that grant property tax exemptions make with the developer, 1387 01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:34,920 they're independent so long as they stay, 1388 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,440 they color within the lines. 1389 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,480 - Okay, that's my question, thank you. 1390 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,320 - Okay, any other questions? 1391 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,000 Very good, thank you very much. 1392 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:47,840 I appreciate it. 1393 01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:51,960 Well, that concludes it. 1394 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,599 I'll let you close and I'll close at you, 1395 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,719 but I'll just say thank you all very much always. 1396 01:01:56,719 --> 01:01:59,239 And you know, it's a lot of good information. 1397 01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:03,199 I appreciate the relationship we have with DISD 1398 01:02:03,199 --> 01:02:05,840 and the work y'all do and the students y'all serve. 1399 01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:10,320 Everyone top to bottom that makes all that go. 1400 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,639 A lot of them are, so thank you very much for that. 1401 01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:15,840 And we will be, for those that don't know, 1402 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:20,239 we'll be hosting the Ryan State Champs, 1403 01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:22,199 rural state champs. 1404 01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,400 I think that's our next meeting, something like that. 1405 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,559 But yeah, so we'll have them at City Hall 1406 01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,360 if y'all wanna come in, just to make sure everyone knows. 1407 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,199 But we really do appreciate what y'all do 1408 01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:35,639 and the difference you're making in our community. 1409 01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:38,000 Couldn't do it without you, so thank y'all very much. 1410 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,800 And whatever you have to add. 1411 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,920 And if you have anything, okay. 1412 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:42,760 - I don't have anything. 1413 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:43,760 - Okay, all right. 1414 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,480 Well, if you wanna adjourn. 1415 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,679 - This will adjourn the DID and ISD joint meeting. 1416 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,760 - 107. - 107. 1417 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,639 - Okay, and then likewise, that concludes 1418 01:02:56,639 --> 01:03:00,119 the City Council meeting at 107, 1419 01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,760 where we convene at two o'clock at City Hall chambers. 1420 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:03,880 All right, thank you. 1421 01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:05,960 Yeah, thank you. 1422 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,760 - Thank you for coming in.