1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:25,720 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for 2 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:33,760 which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 3 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:54,520 To the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, one indivisible. 4 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,520 Our items for consideration include the introduction of new board member, Michael Redwine and alternate 5 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,640 member Kate Linus. 6 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,640 Thank you. 7 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,640 Welcome. 8 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,640 Glad you're here. 9 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:14,760 We can just do a quick introduction just, you know, who they are obviously and why they 10 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,200 chose to join the board. 11 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Just a quick introduction and then if we can just do the same for the rest of the commission 12 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,360 so they know everyone's just quick background. 13 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,360 Wonderful. 14 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,360 Thank you. 15 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,360 Maybe we'll start with the left side. 16 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:27,360 Okay. 17 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:33,840 I'm Kate Linus and I am currently the grants manager for Children's Advocacy Center for 18 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,800 Denton County and previously I've worked for Denton County. 19 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,280 I was director of administration for the county judge. 20 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,880 I have taught classes as an adjunct. 21 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:51,360 I've been on various different city boards including downtown task force and most recently 22 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,760 the special called committee for bonds. 23 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,920 It had something to do like that but it was the bonds committee so thank you. 24 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,680 I'm very interested in just knowing what's going on in the city and serving where I can 25 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:11,720 be of help so hopefully I'll have read all of my materials and ask good questions. 26 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:12,720 Thank you. 27 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:13,720 Perhaps Michael would like to introduce yourself? 28 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:14,720 Michael Redwine. 29 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,720 I've been in Denton for about five and a half years. 30 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:21,680 I work for a company called McKesson Corporation. 31 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:28,680 It's an office out of Los Kalinas. 32 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:37,240 I've been a part of DC, what is it called, Fin Community Advisory Council, I think that's 33 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,240 what it's called. 34 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,920 I'm part of leadership Denton, gone through that, co-chair of that this year so I just 35 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:52,600 wanted to be more involved with the community and be served the way I could and this is 36 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:53,600 how it's coming about. 37 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:54,600 Wonderful, thank you very much. 38 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,600 This is introductions, new members Michael Redwine and Kate Linus. 39 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,600 Emily Meisner, would you like to say something about yourself? 40 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:57,600 Hi, I'm Emily Meisner. 41 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Apologies for being late. 42 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,600 This is my second term on Zoning Board of Adjustment but first term as official member 43 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:00,600 so I was promoted from alternate to member. 44 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:23,600 From Denton since 1996, went to UNT, taught art, then stayed home with my kiddo, got involved 45 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:29,560 in other city related issues and enjoy doing this. 46 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:40,600 Eric Horton, been in Denton since 2001, stepped away from any kind of community activism until 47 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,000 all three kids were out of high school and into college and now that they're done through 48 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 that, I'm trying to be more engaged. 49 00:03:46,000 --> 00:04:00,440 Ron Mingier, staff liaison, I've been with the city for 14 years and if there's anything 50 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,440 I can do to help, just let me know. 51 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,440 Thank you. 52 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,440 Jennifer Lane, professor at UNT and on this board for a couple years, active in the city. 53 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:22,600 David Higgins, I've lived in Denton for 11 years now, I'm a retired finance professor, 54 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:48,080 and I like CBA, this is my fifth year, third term, and I like CBA in part because we could 55 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,080 make decisions here. 56 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,080 In the past I've been on P&Z, not here, but P&Z has always been overruled by the city 57 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,080 council. 58 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Hi, I'm Susan Seaborne, I'm an alternate on the board, relatively new. 59 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,880 This might be my fourth or fifth meeting. 60 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:03,680 I took early retirement from an IT career with IBM, and I am an adjunct Italian teacher 61 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:12,200 sometimes at UNT, and I'm finishing an art degree, so art, IT, like you, Emily, and that's 62 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,200 it. 63 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:22,480 I'm Cynthia Kirkhoff, I'm the language attorney for the board. 64 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,480 Thank you. 65 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,480 I'm Jerry Drake, I'm with the city attorney's office also, I do litigation, but from time 66 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:35,080 to time you may see me down here, if city is not available, or if we have to split dues 67 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,080 between two attorneys. 68 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,080 And Selena? 69 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,080 I'm Selena Dillard, I'm an admin for planning and building inspections. 70 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,080 Wonderful. 71 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,080 Thank you very much. 72 00:05:42,080 --> 00:06:01,080 Next item is to consider approval of the minutes of October 28th and October 29th. 73 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,040 Any second? 74 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,040 Any discussion? 75 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Does anyone like to see them? 76 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,640 Thank you. 77 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:10,640 My envelope arrived empty. 78 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,240 Yeah, I never got a copy. 79 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Sorry. 80 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,720 I didn't know. 81 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,680 I thought there was email as well, back up. 82 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,760 Yeah, I didn't get that printed in time either. 83 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:34,120 So take a minute to look at the minutes, don't feel rushed. 84 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:42,520 Okay. 85 00:06:42,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Okay. 86 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:20,240 Okay. 87 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:45,400 For those who are present, perhaps I could call a vote on the approval of the minutes 88 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,160 moved and seconded. 89 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 All in favor? 90 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,820 All opposed? 91 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:55,840 Any abstentions? 92 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,540 Okay. 93 00:07:58,540 --> 00:07:59,540 Item three. 94 00:07:59,540 --> 00:08:00,540 I'm so sorry. 95 00:08:00,540 --> 00:08:04,160 Can we make sure that we're speaking into the night? 96 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,160 Oh, yes. 97 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,160 Sorry about that. 98 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Thank you so much. 99 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,600 Item three, which is ZBA 19-045. 100 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,340 Receive a presentation and hold a discussion regarding Zoning Board of Adjustment Rules 101 00:08:14,340 --> 00:08:18,560 and Procedures. 102 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:28,720 Madam Chair, Ron Magida, Development Services. 103 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:35,480 I thought we'd have a quick update on some of the revisions or amendments that we're 104 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:42,360 working on towards the Board's duties and responsibilities, so I thought I'd put this 105 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,360 on the agenda. 106 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,560 I've got a brief presentation that kind of just highlights a couple of things. 107 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:57,160 I know that we've heard a presentation from Jerry Drake last month regarding our Board's 108 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,200 rules and procedures. 109 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:05,120 I wanted to just highlight a couple of things from a planning's perspective, where staff 110 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,560 when we come to you all and when we prepare a backup, I just wanted to give you all an 111 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:15,960 idea of what we are looking at, as well as our future code amendments that we're going 112 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,520 to be working towards that affect this Board. 113 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,640 So just wanted to give a quick update. 114 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,360 Ron, do you need to be sworn in in any way, or is it staff can just present? 115 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,760 I think this is just a informational mention. 116 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,000 Thank you for that, though. 117 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,640 As you all know, and you have a copy of the development code in front of you. 118 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,520 Elma, you have yours, you just didn't bring it, right? 119 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:40,960 Did you get a copy of it? 120 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,680 Okay, we'll have to make sure that you get a copy of that. 121 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:54,560 I think we should read it all and not let him just sit here and make it a lie. 122 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:59,440 I think it was important that you all had a copy of it, and thank you, Selena, for making 123 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,040 copies for the Board. 124 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,600 Again, I mentioned earlier, when Jerry presented, there was a lot of references to the development 125 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,960 code, and it would have been better if you had a copy of the DDC. 126 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:16,640 So now that you have a copy, you can always reference the DEN development code, which, 127 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:22,160 again, is what we use in our analysis, which, again, you guys will be referencing when you 128 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,520 guys are considering the applications that come forward to you all. 129 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,680 Just a quick update. 130 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:36,880 House Bill 2497 was passed by the legislature, which affects how the Board processes applications. 131 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:43,560 Basically, what that House Bill allows is for multiple people now that can submit an 132 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:47,960 application for a variance or appeal to a variance. 133 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:54,000 So it makes it more where it's not just the applicant, but it's also property owners within 134 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:01,920 children's feed that can appeal a decision by staff and/or commission -- I'm sorry, Board. 135 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:08,400 It also sets rules in regards to when the Zoning Board of Adjustment establishes rules, 136 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,720 they have to go through the City Council for approval. 137 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:16,800 So that is something that when we have something that would involve rules that the Board will 138 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,000 follow, we'll make sure that we process that accordingly per state law. 139 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:26,920 And again, as I mentioned earlier in my introduction, we've got code amendments and updates that 140 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:34,640 we are working on, one, to reflect some of the state legislative bills that pass, but 141 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:42,400 also to further clarify and make sure that we have it in our codes, the process that 142 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,840 we are now having to address again. 143 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,560 Last month was one specific where we met on a Monday, and then we met on a Tuesday. 144 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:58,480 We met on a Monday for presentation, and then on a Tuesday, which is the next day, we considered 145 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,480 it. 146 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,480 We don't have that process codified. 147 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,280 It is something that is mandated, but we wanted to make sure that we established that process, 148 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,800 and that will be part of a code amendment that will be coming forward. 149 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,220 You all will obviously be a part of that, but ultimately City Council will be the ones 150 00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:20,000 considering since it's part of the development code. 151 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,440 I'm not going to go through all of this. 152 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,360 I just wanted to highlight some of the sections, and this is covered on the overview that Mr. 153 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,960 Jerry Drake presented. 154 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:35,820 What I do want to highlight is Chapter 33, where it talks about signs. 155 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:39,040 That section, I will make sure that you all get a copy of that. 156 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,120 It's not in the development code. 157 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,320 It's actually in a separate chapter, Chapter 33 of the code of ordinances. 158 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,800 I will make sure that you guys get a copy of that. 159 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:55,680 As you all know, in addition to zoning regulations and other administrative decisions, this board 160 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:01,760 also considers sign variances, so we've had several of that, and those that have been 161 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:08,000 on the board know that we've had several in the last year, and we will anticipate that 162 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000 will continue. 163 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:15,200 We will continue to have sign variances brought forward to this commission or to this board. 164 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:21,920 Just again to highlight, that is Chapter 33, which we will be updating as well because 165 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,040 there are some outdated information in the sign code. 166 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:35,480 We will be making that code amendment and update sometime in the near future. 167 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,900 One of the things that I want to highlight that is in the overview, again, that was presented 168 00:13:40,900 --> 00:13:44,240 last month, is really the approval criteria. 169 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,400 I'm not going to go through all of this. 170 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:50,800 This is where these sections are within the development code that, again, now you have, 171 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:56,640 that deal primarily with state variances that you see here in Section 281. 172 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,720 In there, there is an applicability, procedure, and approval criteria section. 173 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,020 What I'm going to focus on this evening is really the approval criteria. 174 00:14:06,020 --> 00:14:13,200 I think that is important for you all to understand, but how we prepare our staff analysis is based 175 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,200 on those approval criteria. 176 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,800 So I'm just going to go into that. 177 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:24,840 There are, I believe, six or seven criteria manuals. 178 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:35,240 They are specifically to the property in regards to is it a unique or peculiar situation, and 179 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,160 that is one of the criteria that the board has to consider. 180 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:45,280 Is it unique enough to be different from the other properties that are within the area, 181 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,280 within the neighborhood? 182 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:53,120 If so, that can be a factor in your decision and should be a factor in your decision. 183 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Does the granting of the variance, will that be detrimental or injurious to the other properties 184 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,360 or improvements? 185 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:06,320 That being said, if you approve this variance, will this affect the other property owners 186 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,840 within the area? 187 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:16,420 Is the variance the minimal response to the request? 188 00:15:16,420 --> 00:15:21,520 Is there something else that can be done that's less impactful? 189 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:28,600 And is something that we will verify and also analyze when we present this to you all. 190 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:35,360 Does the literal enforcement of the DDC result in an unnecessary hardship to that property 191 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,360 owner? 192 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:46,120 And does the intent of this DDC, granting it meet the spirit of the DDC and preserve 193 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,000 what is in the DDC? 194 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:57,400 Again, will this granting of variance or the little enforcement of the DDC create an unnecessary 195 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,920 hardship to that property owner? 196 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:06,960 E, the granting of variance is not solely to relieve a financial hardship. 197 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,160 We're not looking at, this is going to cost me more money, it's really, we're looking 198 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:16,600 at the property, the site, and specifically if it is unique in that regard. 199 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:23,080 So it is not to resolve a situation that would be a financial hardship. 200 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:29,600 And last, I believe is the last approval criteria is that it was not a result that was created 201 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,400 by an owner's action when it was first developed. 202 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:41,960 So does anybody have any questions on the approval criteria? 203 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,400 It's very important that we make sure that the approval criteria is something that when 204 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:54,320 you all consider it reference because as you know, any decision, both approval or denial, 205 00:16:54,320 --> 00:17:01,320 the board must make sure that we state the reasons and facts, factors and findings in 206 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,560 written form and that should be based on this approval criteria, this approval criteria. 207 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:11,560 So it's important that we make sure we understand the approval criteria and that when we make 208 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:20,320 a decision, we are using it in, we're identifying what of the criteria managers we're basing 209 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,960 our decisions on. 210 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:23,960 Any questions? 211 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:24,960 Comments? 212 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:25,960 Wrong. 213 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,960 I'm sorry. 214 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:27,960 I have one question. 215 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,960 Yes, ma'am. 216 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:34,400 On F it says it did not result from the owner's actions. 217 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,680 Is that the owner who's bringing in the request for the variance or say somebody bought the 218 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,160 property and the previous owner? 219 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:48,360 I think it's both, yes, because I mean we don't want the owner to create something and 220 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:51,120 then ask for a variance. 221 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,120 Right. 222 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:53,120 Okay. 223 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:57,800 An example would that be would be if, and I'm not saying this is what will happen, but 224 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:06,720 say property was replatted to a point where it's not developed, that's obviously unlikely 225 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,480 but I can't think of any other ones other than maybe an existing home because you do 226 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,200 deal with setback requirements as well. 227 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:21,880 If the property owner did something that, if he or she knew about it and then it's now 228 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,040 asking for a variance, well, I mean, we can't do it after the fact. 229 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:32,640 So I think that's the main purpose of that particular criteria. 230 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,520 Any other questions? 231 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:42,000 I think while we have a few minutes, and I know that this is the last item on the agenda 232 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:50,520 I just want to make sure, wanted to again kind of highlight a little bit on the variances 233 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:56,560 and I know that there's four types of variances where the Zoning Board of Adjustment would 234 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,920 consider a project or an application. 235 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:07,280 That's a straight variance under 281, an appeal of an administrative decision 283, vested 236 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:14,760 rights and then relief measures as it relates to gas wells 2.56. 237 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:21,320 They're all unique and there will be code amendments for each of this specifically as 238 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:31,720 it relates to how appeals are considered, how appeals are processed and how appeals 239 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,400 are if it were to be appealed to the courts. 240 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,640 As you all know, the decision of the board is final. 241 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,560 It does not go to City Council. 242 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:50,400 It goes, if it's final and there is an appeal from the applicant, it goes to the courts. 243 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,600 And we don't have a process yet for that specifically spelled out. 244 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:01,440 And so that is one of the code amendments that we will be adding in each of these sections. 245 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:09,600 So again, I mentioned it already earlier for vested rights, there was the meeting of a 246 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,360 Monday and then the consideration on a Tuesday. 247 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:18,920 That's nowhere, that's not what a council would do normally. 248 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:25,640 So we have a special process specifically for the board and that will be put in our 249 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,920 code, our development code, when we bring that forward. 250 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:34,800 So just wanted to make sure that you all are aware of that and I can't think of anything 251 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,800 else. 252 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,360 Cynthia, was there any other code amendment that we were thinking of putting, bringing 253 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:43,200 forward and having the board? 254 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,480 Sure, I can add a few things. 255 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:54,160 Just wanted to reiterate that Texas Local Government Code does require that the board 256 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:59,560 have rules and that those rules be approved by City Council. 257 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:09,520 And as Mr. Mangida stated, the board really has three responsibilities and you as a board 258 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,000 make the final decision and after that point it would be appealed or could be appealed 259 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:22,240 to the district court and there's some language in the Local Government Code that we could 260 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:31,240 clarify in our rules about the appeal process and as part of this item it was to get this 261 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:37,120 information to you in a preliminary format and then come back with rules for you to review. 262 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:46,720 So just to get your thoughts on anything that you've seen so far in your few meetings here, 263 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,720 just to present to Ron to get your questions answered. 264 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,400 Yes, just one, I believe that most of what we've looked at is the variance situation, 265 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,400 am I right? 266 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,400 Correct. 267 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,200 Where we only have to have one meeting and we would vote at that meeting but the appeal 268 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:08,320 is what we had at the last meeting which is the two-part process required by state law 269 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:17,920 and the city is looking at a code for the process within Denton for an applicant to 270 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,800 file an appeal and what the steps would be following that. 271 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,240 To formalize that, yes. 272 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:32,860 This was our first since the state passed this House Bill so we were reacting but we 273 00:22:32,860 --> 00:22:39,680 definitely want to be proactive with upcoming, hopefully not anytime soon, but if we do have 274 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:45,680 cases that are brought forward with the same situation, we are better prepared and we have 275 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,720 the rules and procedures put in place. 276 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:54,440 So it was important that since we went through it recently, we wanted to make sure that we 277 00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:00,420 were letting you all know that this is something that we will be bringing forward and it's 278 00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:04,880 important to have. 279 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:13,360 That's all I have, I know that we appreciate your time and again if there's anything that 280 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:21,220 staff can do, obviously you got a lot of reading to catch up on but definitely if there's something 281 00:23:21,220 --> 00:23:27,380 specific that you need information on, we're here to help you in and again if there's anything 282 00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:32,560 that we can bring forward in advance, we will do so so that you guys are well equipped and 283 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:40,600 informed as we can consider these projects or these applications. 284 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:47,600 Do you expect to have to put whatever you put into place into action soon? 285 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,600 Yes. 286 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:55,720 Again, we don't have anything in the pipeline right now but we want to be prepared in advance 287 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,320 and so knowing that this is something that we need, we're going to be working, Cynthia 288 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:06,560 and I and Jerry will be working on draft amendments and code, I'm sorry, updates soon and we'll 289 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,640 definitely share with you all what that is before we move forward. 290 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,640 One more question. 291 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,280 Will you be waiting until after tomorrow evening's decision or? 292 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,280 That's unrelated. 293 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,480 Yeah, it's unrelated, it's still going to be, the process is still going to be the same 294 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,680 no matter what. 295 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,680 Okay. 296 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,680 Yeah. 297 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,680 Thanks. 298 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,680 Alright. 299 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Again, thank you so much for your time and we'll see you maybe next month, we'll let 300 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,720 you know. 301 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,720 Thank you so much. 302 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,720 If we have an item. 303 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,720 Thanks. 304 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:43,040 I'll adjourn the meeting and the meeting is adjourned at five minutes after six.