1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,900 It is nine o'clock, Monday, March 23rd, and this regular meeting of the Public Utilities 2 00:00:07,900 --> 00:00:11,000 Board of the City of Denton is now in session. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,580 Do we have any presentations from members of the public? 4 00:00:14,580 --> 00:00:15,580 There are none. 5 00:00:15,580 --> 00:00:16,580 Moving on to the consent agenda. 6 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:19,000 Would anybody like to pull anything from the consent agenda? 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,000 No? 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,660 Then I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. 9 00:00:24,660 --> 00:00:26,780 Is that a motion? 10 00:00:26,780 --> 00:00:27,780 Second. 11 00:00:27,780 --> 00:00:28,780 And a second. 12 00:00:28,780 --> 00:00:29,780 All in favor say aye. 13 00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:30,780 Aye. 14 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:31,780 Against? 15 00:00:31,780 --> 00:00:32,780 I'm the same. 16 00:00:32,780 --> 00:00:33,780 Passes unanimously. 17 00:00:33,780 --> 00:00:39,400 Items for individual consideration, consider approval of the March 9th minutes. 18 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,400 So moved. 19 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,400 So moved. 20 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,400 Or second? 21 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:43,400 Not a motion. 22 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,400 We got a second. 23 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,400 All in favor? 24 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,400 Aye. 25 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,600 All right. 26 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,480 Item B, consider recommending an adoption of an ordinance in the City of Denton to execute 27 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:59,640 a contract with Acceleron US for turbo replacement parts and service for the Denton Energy Center. 28 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:08,440 In the amount of $9,520,000 for one year. 29 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,880 Option of four additional years, one extension, a total of five years. 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Good morning. 31 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Excuse me. 32 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,900 Good morning, Chair, members of the PUP. 33 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:25,800 My name is Jose Gaitan, Executive Manager of Power Supply for DME. 34 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:33,800 I'm here to present the intricacies of this RFP that is for the turbo replacement parts 35 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,480 and services for the turbos at the Denton Energy Center. 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:44,560 So the background for this RFP is that the deck has 12 engines with two turbos each for 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,920 a total of 24 turbos. 38 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,480 So peak shaving operations at the Denton Energy Center causes stresses on these turbos. 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:59,020 Every cooling and heating cycle stresses the metals by expanding and contracting. 40 00:01:59,020 --> 00:02:07,640 That expansion causes stresses on the metal, which can, over time, cause fractures. 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:16,440 So it is important that we have proper maintenance for these facilities, and as such, the OEM 42 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:27,040 is giving us a change in the maintenance schedule, which would basically have us look at the turbos 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,840 a little bit earlier, based on the number of start and stops, as they are seeing some 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,720 more fatigues out in the field on these turbos. 45 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,160 So inspections are critical for these turbos. 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Again, our current engines have 13,500 hours of operations, and starts are anywhere between 47 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,960 3,500 and 4,000 start and stops. 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:59,920 It varies by engine, as we kind of vary how many hours of operations start and stop, so 49 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:05,560 we're not overhauling them all at the same time, so we can stagger the maintenance. 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:13,420 So based on the new service schedule that is being recommended, it's recommended that 51 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:20,320 you start looking at the turbos at the 16,000 hour mark, which is our normal recommendation 52 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,700 when the plant was built, or 2,500 starts. 53 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:31,000 So you can see that we're above that 2,500 start/stops. 54 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:37,600 So the manufacturer issued this bulletin in February of this year, or last year, excuse 55 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:45,060 me, to prevent a catastrophic failure, to catch it before it actually occurs. 56 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:53,920 So some of the maintenance tasks is to dismantle the turbo, check clearances, clean casings, 57 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:00,880 clean nozzles, and then assess the rotator bearing parts, which could fail. 58 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,720 And then make sure that the balancing is good for the turbos. 59 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,920 So here's some of the estimates. 60 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:17,480 So the average cost should a turbo be damaged, but repairable is 125,000 per turbo. 61 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:23,120 There are 24 of them, so we could have as much as $3 million worth of repairs. 62 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:29,800 However, a complete turbo replacement, average cost is 400,000. 63 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,080 So it's important that we get to those turbos serviced then before we reach a catastrophic 64 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,560 failure, which is what we're intending to do here. 65 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:47,080 However, as an estimate, we're expecting potentially up to 10 turbos that may need to be replaced 66 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,840 for a total of 4 million. 67 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:56,040 Again, that can change if we can get to them before we actually reach a catastrophic failure. 68 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:01,720 And so there in the pictures you see on the left-hand side is the turbine wheel, which 69 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,720 is one of the ones that gets the most amount of stress because it is on the exhaust side 70 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:15,040 of the turbo, and it has a more tendency to have stress fractures. 71 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,000 So this RFP is for parts and services. 72 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:27,480 Again, the ODM recommends checking the operation profile of the engine to verify if we have 73 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:36,200 reached those recommendations of at least 2,500 start stops or hours of operation. 74 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:43,240 Again, turbo overhauls will be performed by the ODM at their authorized workshop. 75 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:50,080 They will provide the field services on-site and then also provide travel and accommodations 76 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,360 for staff that are doing their work. 77 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:00,880 Turbo parts, components, spare parts and normal maintenance intervals, inventory checks, repairs 78 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:08,940 planned and unplanned is an estimated cost of $105,000 per unit for a five-year span 79 00:06:08,940 --> 00:06:16,360 on 24 turbos for a total of $2.52 million. 80 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:25,120 So the summary of expenditure again is manufacturer and authorized repairs, restocking of critical 81 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:35,440 components, restocking critical components for unplanned maintenance, 24 turbos on 12 82 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:48,240 parts with an estimated potential complete repair or I guess a totaling of up to 10 turbos 83 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:55,160 during the life of this RFP for a total of $4 million and expected overhaul costs which 84 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,800 would capture all of the maintenance costs that would be needed to make sure that we 85 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,560 don't have a catastrophic failure for all 24 turbos. 86 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,120 That's $3 million, that's just regular preventative maintenance. 87 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:22,840 And then we have critical components for $2.52 million for a total of $9,520,000. 88 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:33,520 Of that, $2.5 million will be cash funded, the rest will be via 10-year bonds. 89 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:41,020 And so again, the recommendation from staff is for PEB to provide the City Council recommendation 90 00:07:41,020 --> 00:07:48,600 to approve the RFP to a Celeron USA Incorporated to execute a five-year contract for the turbochargers 91 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,080 at the Dension Energy Center. 92 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,080 Any questions? 93 00:07:55,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Okay, so you see this at about five-year increments? 94 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Yes, that's what we're planning on doing this go-around. 95 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:15,640 Again, the DEC was commissioned in 2018 June, so we're starting to approach the 10-year 96 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:22,360 mark so it's, you know, we don't know if we're going to see any more, you know, the 97 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:29,640 preventative maintenance is there to capture any further failures, but they are issuing 98 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:35,120 this bulletin to start the servicing sooner rather than later, which is why we're bringing 99 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:41,400 it now as opposed to at the 16,000 hour mark, which is supposed to be in about another year 100 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,760 and a half, two years. 101 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,260 So we're coming to prevent a catastrophic failure. 102 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:51,100 So every five years, we're going to start issuing this out again. 103 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:55,000 Was that common for them to come back and say, I mean, you've got, what was it, 3,500 104 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,960 to 4,000 hours is what your original S was? 105 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:58,960 Yes. 106 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,040 And now they're saying, "Well, they're not as good as we thought they were," or... 107 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,680 So those, it is just a recommendation by the ODM based on what they've been seeing out 108 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:08,680 in the field, right? 109 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:09,680 Well, yeah. 110 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:14,640 And so these things can last as much as 30,000 hours, right? 111 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,640 So... 112 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:16,640 Well, 16, it leaves, right? 113 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:17,640 Exactly, yes. 114 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,160 So it's important that we start the preventative maintenance now to prevent any failures that 115 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,900 will lead to a catastrophic failure, which is a higher cost. 116 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:34,680 So the maintenance will hopefully prevent us from having bigger expenditures later. 117 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:35,680 Okay. 118 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,100 What was our original budget for that? 119 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:43,720 So the original budget was in the CIP for two years from now. 120 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:50,680 So we're accelerating the maintenance to prevent, again, those catastrophic failures before 121 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:51,680 they occur, right? 122 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:52,680 I understand. 123 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:53,680 So it was part of the CIP budget. 124 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:54,680 And Tony... 125 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:58,920 If you get a flat tire before you've planned on having a flat tire, you replace the flat 126 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,920 tire, but... 127 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:03,800 Yeah, I think as Jose mentioned, this bulletin came out and kind of advanced the need for 128 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,840 this project. 129 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,720 We've budgeted this money now for probably at least five or seven years. 130 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:16,120 We've had it in the CIP, and this is in conjunction with another project that will be coming to 131 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,120 you for overhauls. 132 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:25,680 But the total amount that we had was for fiscal year '29-'30, it was about $15 million total. 133 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:27,680 But now we're looking at a little bit more than that. 134 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:28,680 So... 135 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:31,800 But yeah, it's been in the CIP for some time. 136 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,800 Yeah. 137 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,800 Okay. 138 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,800 Thank you. 139 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:35,800 Just... 140 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,800 Good morning. 141 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:37,800 Good morning. 142 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:47,440 If I may, Acceleron, is this an extension of a contract we already have with them, or 143 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,240 is this a brand new thing? 144 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,960 Arthur, do we have a current contract with them? 145 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Can you come up here? 146 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,200 So this is Arthur Pando, the new plant manager at the DEC. 147 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,160 Arthur Pando, plant manager at the DIN Ninja Center. 148 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,880 I can help answer any questions you all may have. 149 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:15,080 So Acceleron, do we have an existing contract besides the OME or whoever it was that brought 150 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,320 it to our attention, is this a brand new contract with them, or have we used them for this particular 151 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,320 need? 152 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,320 No, sir. 153 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,440 It'll be a brand new contract with them. 154 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Okay. 155 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,440 Yes. 156 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,440 Could I go to... 157 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,440 May I? 158 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:45,080 Could you get slide three for me? 159 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,200 So what is the... 160 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,320 You may have alluded to some of this, but what do we... 161 00:11:52,320 --> 00:12:00,120 Theory wise, what are we looking at as far as an expected lifetime of timeframe for these 162 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,120 things? 163 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,120 Is it by the hour? 164 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,320 Is it by the year? 165 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,320 It varies. 166 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,360 So we like to plan for by the hour, yes. 167 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,920 But based on the inspections, it can deem turbochargers to be overhauled sooner. 168 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,500 So main priority first is getting them inspected, checking for the damage, what the condition 169 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:26,600 is of the turbos and these rotating components, and thus then determines the life. 170 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:33,000 We've had these now, as Jose mentioned, going on almost nearing 10 years. 171 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:39,020 Original plan was probably making it to the 15, 12 year mark. 172 00:12:39,020 --> 00:12:41,940 That's still what we expect. 173 00:12:41,940 --> 00:12:47,720 We just need to capture it and make sure we extend the life of. 174 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:54,840 Level wise, they can go as long as up to 60,000 hours based on the service intervals happening 175 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,400 and being conducted. 176 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,880 Who have we used before this request? 177 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,360 Has it been in house? 178 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:03,360 It's all, yes. 179 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:09,440 All the current maintenance inspections and repairs have all been in house by plant personnel. 180 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:18,720 And so we're accelerating preventive maintenance by, forgive me, forget the hours, can we kind 181 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,880 of do it with something I would recognize like years? 182 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:28,240 We're accelerating the intervals by about two years. 183 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:34,160 And that's just based on the ODM recommendation that was previously been provided to us. 184 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,880 And they got that from what? 185 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:42,800 They got that from their own in-house inspections and then what their field service guys out 186 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,880 at other plants are observing. 187 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:54,320 So the contract now, how large it is based on the amount we're having to perform is why 188 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:01,160 we're bringing it to contract, just the manpower we do not have to do all 24 with the staff 189 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,160 we have currently. 190 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:13,440 If I may, could you go to slide five? 191 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:20,920 So where's the location of their workshop? 192 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,140 They are located in Florida, I believe. 193 00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:28,080 They have multiple locations throughout. 194 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:34,520 Some of them are in Europe, and there is a smaller workshop where they perform minor 195 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:40,240 maintenance, just quick overhauls in Houston and Florida. 196 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:47,880 I'm just curious on that 2.5, 2 million, is that, would that be thought of as the extra 197 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:54,280 expense from what we had originally budgeted because of starting early or am I putting 198 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,280 that number in the wrong pigeon hole? 199 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,960 I'm sorry, repeat that. 200 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,360 So you're asking where that number stems from? 201 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:12,600 From our old way of doing our maintenance, is that this 2.5, is that the extra that we 202 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,680 were not ready for? 203 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,680 No. 204 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:22,000 We've been ready for it, but up to getting into the larger hours, it has all been very 205 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,320 small maintenance intervals, so a couple sensors, maybe cleaning some oil pipes, some O rings 206 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,160 here and there. 207 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,760 When we creep into the higher hours of the intervals, you start getting into the major 208 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:39,280 components, nozzle rings, casings, and bearings. 209 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,000 And if I could go page six. 210 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:48,320 And Rob, just so, so we've been budgeting about $15, $17 million at the exact number 211 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,360 in these turbos and these overhauls projects, now we're looking closer to $20 million. 212 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,920 That's about a $3 to $5 million increase now that we're starting to get these actual proposals 213 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,880 and actually firming those numbers up. 214 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:09,240 That $2.5 million, just as a reminder, during Yuri, after Yuri, if you remember, Brazos 215 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,920 didn't pay their bill and there was a settlement, that's where that 2.5 million is coming from. 216 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:19,360 We've been holding onto that 2.5 million for these projects and our hope is to continue 217 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:26,240 to add additional cash into that pot and try to minimize how much debt we're issuing for 218 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,960 these projects. 219 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,760 And then if I may ask, because that leads to my question on the original amount of let's 220 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:37,840 say $15 million or such, what time period was that to cover? 221 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,120 That was going to start in fiscal year '20, we were going to plan to issue that beginning 222 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,080 in fiscal year '29 and '30, but because of this new bulletin, we've had to accelerate 223 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,560 that sooner. 224 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,800 But that number was, the thought was a 10-year type of use. 225 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Yeah, correct. 226 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,480 But now we're seeing that that may be accelerated due to ... 227 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:03,660 Due to wear and tear. 228 00:17:03,660 --> 00:17:04,660 Thank you. 229 00:17:04,660 --> 00:17:05,660 I needed the right term. 230 00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:06,660 I didn't want to be ignorant. 231 00:17:06,660 --> 00:17:10,480 I think it's important to understand, right, so the bulletin is based on inspections and 232 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,200 experiences that have been seen with these types of engines and other plans, right? 233 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,520 They're going to have to come in and look at these specific engines and then give us 234 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:24,120 those recommendations, but we're planning for the worst, right? 235 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:29,280 So then my last question, well, probably not, but I'm going to ask this one. 236 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:34,400 We've had our own self-contained maintenance program on this. 237 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,920 We are now coming into a phase where we're asking an outside source to do it and we've 238 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:46,320 possibly shortened the time frame to five years, let's say, versus six or seven years 239 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,200 for regular maintenance, and I don't want to hold you to those numbers, but I'm looking 240 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,840 at ... We're looking at a five-year increment on all of this, even though we're doing these 241 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,080 extensions one year at a time? 242 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,080 Correct. 243 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:10,320 The one-year increment is kind of offset, so yes, we will perform the services to get 244 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:17,040 them inspected and such, and then year two, year three is the planned and unplanned maintenance 245 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,040 scope of it. 246 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:23,960 So now we're just upkeeping the stuff that we can perform in-house with, and then around 247 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:31,080 year three, yeah, about in three, four is when we would do the second. 248 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,600 So then that's why the cost would go up to around 20 million you're talking about. 249 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,920 Well, and the turbos aren't going to all be done all at once, right? 250 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,920 They're going to be phased in over that period of time, and it may take longer. 251 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,000 And that's why it's a five-year type term. 252 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,120 And so we're paying that nine million whether they're replacing turbos or not within that 253 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:52,480 period, but they're doing inspections? 254 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,480 Is that what we're saying? 255 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,480 Sure. 256 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,480 No. 257 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,600 We won't be paying the nine million whether they do or don't. 258 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,000 It's all based on... 259 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000 If it's needed. 260 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,000 If it's needed. 261 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Correct. 262 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,960 Thank you for your information. 263 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,840 So basically, this whole budgetary thing is based on, yeah, it hadn't happened yet, but 264 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,560 they're telling us to look a little earlier now. 265 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Yes, sir. 266 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:19,320 And we'd like to keep replacing motors, of course, or they would. 267 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,020 And not all the costs are going to hit all at once. 268 00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:26,800 So we've tried to...I've asked Arthur to look at it as crystal ball and tell me, hey, if 269 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,320 you can cash flow this, how can you cash flow this over five years so that I'm not issuing 270 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,300 everything all at once, and it could potentially give us time to look at revenue funding some 271 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:37,300 of this. 272 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:40,920 You know, not to get ahead of Matt, but there'll be some financial policy recommendations 273 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,600 that are going to be coming to you, and we're going to be targeting some amount annually 274 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:49,560 that we're going to cash fund in our CIP, and this is one of the projects that we would 275 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,720 look at, cash funding versus debt funding. 276 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,640 Yeah, good. 277 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Just based on my ignorance of the plant and how it operates, do these motors, are they 278 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,960 pretty even in the amount of hours? 279 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,920 I mean, they all run at the same time, right? 280 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:08,920 Correct. 281 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,040 You start one, you start them all. 282 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,880 In terms of dispatch, they are dispatched by aggregate. 283 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,720 So we could start, and each aggregate consists of three units per aggregate. 284 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,080 So aggregate A is one, two, three, B is four, five, six, so on and so on. 285 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,480 So there is times that, yes, that we could be called upon and say, hey, start aggregates 286 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,840 only, A and B is one through six, seven through 12 will stay down. 287 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,280 You just roll them? 288 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,280 Yes. 289 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,480 Yeah, we try and keep them. 290 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,080 So you don't, one is not start every time, it may be six that starts again. 291 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,080 Correct. 292 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,080 Okay. 293 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,440 So the EMO tries to start up one aggregate, see if the price holds. 294 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,080 If the price holds, then we bring up the next one, and then we just keep adding them in 295 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,520 until we make sure that the price is going to hold. 296 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:05,160 That way we avoid a start and stop unneeded and avoids this type of premature wear and 297 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,520 tear type of thing. 298 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,560 So we do try to vary the hours by aggregate. 299 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,560 Okay. 300 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Got it. 301 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,080 I just have a question more on the 10-year bond of this. 302 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,480 So we're financing 10 years worth, or we're financing five years of service over 10 years. 303 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,600 What happens after the five years? 304 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,640 Do we take out another bond for another five years? 305 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:31,440 Well, I think ideally, one, so anything that is maintenance related, and that's what he's 306 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,840 identified here, right? 307 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,280 So we're targeting that two and a half million for critical components of normal maintenance 308 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:43,040 to be the cash funding component, then we're only funding the major capital assets with 309 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,040 10-year bonds. 310 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,920 Now, the idea would be is that, you know, that you do this five years, it doesn't come 311 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,080 around in another five, maybe 10 years, right? 312 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,780 So you're staggering. 313 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:55,080 So why 10 years, right? 314 00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:01,120 10 years, what we're trying to do, at least this is kind of the intent, is we issued bonds 315 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,360 for the DEC in 2017, right? 316 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:06,040 Those were 20-year bonds. 317 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:13,480 They pay off in 2037 by limiting the life of the new bonds that we issue, we're trying 318 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:20,000 not to expand the outstanding debt for the DEC beyond 2037, right? 319 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,360 That's kind of the intent. 320 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:26,480 So if we had to come back here again in five years, we'd likely be looking at five-year 321 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,040 debt, not 10-year debt, if that was even possible. 322 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,520 But I think given some of the financial strategies, what we're actually talking about, at least 323 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:41,840 internally at DME, is, hey, can we build some type of cash fund that's just for capital 324 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,280 and minimize how much debt we're issuing for the DEC? 325 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,280 Yes. 326 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,680 I mean, and that's fundamentally what I'm thinking, is I don't want to pay 10 years 327 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,920 for something that I've got five years of life out of. 328 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,640 It just doesn't make sense that way for us, for taxpayers to continually pay interest 329 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,360 on a bond for an asset that's fully depreciated and no longer in use. 330 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:06,720 Now, we're talking about components of the DEC, in total, the plan has more of a 30-to-50-year 331 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,720 life on it, right? 332 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:13,320 And so the reason we do these things is to continue to expand the life of the overall 333 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,320 facility. 334 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,960 So we don't anticipate another five years financing another X million dollars for 10 335 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,960 more years? 336 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,960 No, probably not. 337 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,560 I mean, I'd have to go back and look at our CFP where we program it, but that's probably 338 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,520 outside of that next 10-year window. 339 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,520 Okay. 340 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,520 Thank you. 341 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,160 I do have one question. 342 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,960 The original recommendation was 16,000 hours and 2,500 cycles. 343 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:43,920 We're only at 13,000 hours and 3,500 cycles, our cycles are way up. 344 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:50,040 Now that we have this experience, moving forward, do we have strategies to try to limit all 345 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,040 that uptime down time? 346 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:56,080 I guess that's when the components are that susceptible, right? 347 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,200 Getting hot, cooling off and things like that, or is it just is what it is and that's the 348 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,200 way it's going to be? 349 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,160 I mean, Arthur's job out in the plant and the guy's plant is to be ready to go whenever 350 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,160 we need them, right? 351 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,560 So whenever we get that price single, it needs to be ready to go, right? 352 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,000 And so we put a lot of pressure, unfortunately, on those guys out there. 353 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:24,400 But yeah, so the goal is to try to have this facility ready to go at a moment's notice. 354 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,680 And so following those bulletins, if they've changed, it's part of that strategy, right? 355 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200 And so we were based on hours. 356 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:39,160 Now there's these hours and this 2,500 measure that it was before, 3,500. 357 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:46,980 And so now of the two, which one's going to have this plan ready to go sooner? 358 00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:50,320 One more question, if I may. 359 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,000 So was the Acceleron, was that the lowest bidder? 360 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,880 Or do we use the bidding process for something like this? 361 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,840 Yes, we did use the bidding process. 362 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,800 They were the lowest. 363 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,760 How many bids did we ask? 364 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,840 I believe we had three come in. 365 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,840 Was it two? 366 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Uh-oh. 367 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,000 Lori Hill, Purchasing Manager. 368 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,040 They evaluated two vendors for this. 369 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,080 Familiar with both of them? 370 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,080 Yes. 371 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,080 Yes, they were. 372 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,240 And this was the only vendor that actually bid all lines and could provide all products. 373 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,240 Thank you. 374 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,240 That's what I was going to say. 375 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,240 When I looked at the evaluation, the other one didn't really fill it out. 376 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,240 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 377 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,240 Any other comments? 378 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,240 Do you want to undertake a motion? 379 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,240 We have a motion and a second. 380 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,240 All in favor? 381 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,240 Aye. 382 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,240 Any opposed? 383 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:53,680 Passes. 384 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,840 With that, we'll move on to Item C, Tony, Management Reports. 385 00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Yes, sir, Mr. Chair. 386 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,760 I'm a member of the PB, so I don't have a lot for you. 387 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,400 No changes to the future agenda items. 388 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,920 Obviously, I'm going to keep just talking about reminding you about budget items. 389 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,400 Budget items are those that are going to be coming to you. 390 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,480 Make sure you make note of those specific dates. 391 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:23,720 And then for new business action items, you know, we hope to provide the right information 392 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,400 that was requested at your next meeting in April. 393 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,560 I think given the fact that we had our Chair and Vice Chair out today, that probably makes 394 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,560 sense for that. 395 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,040 So it was not planned that way, but certainly worked out that way. 396 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,840 And the Water Wastewater Department on April 13th will also be bringing to you a work session 397 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,840 item. 398 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:48,640 And the only thing that I'll mention as well, DME is also looking at maybe adding some type 399 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,160 of quarterly type of update for you as well, kind of the way that the Water Wastewater 400 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,160 has done this. 401 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,120 We're still kind of working through that internally, but my hope is that by the next meeting, we'll 402 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:03,680 add that to your calendar as well and just, you know, bring you information on items that 403 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,680 may be of interest. 404 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,480 So if you have thoughts on things that you want to know about within DME or even Solid 405 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,040 Waste, please let us know. 406 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,640 We can try to get those items scheduled. 407 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,640 Fantastic. 408 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,840 Appreciate your help on that. 409 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,440 I know that getting those updates is going to be important. 410 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,480 I think we've all been looking forward to it. 411 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,760 And with that, we're adjourned. 412 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,740 So it shall be. 413 00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:32,280 We are adjourned.