WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.520 maybe one or two. I agree that I've known her my entire life so I still should have remembered her. 00:00:05.520 --> 00:00:11.360 All right we do have a quorum present and so I'm going to call the meeting to order. It is 00:00:11.360 --> 00:00:19.280 Monday, March 2nd, 2026 at 5 30 p.m. If you will please stand with me for the pledge of allegiance. 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:29.120 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:36.160 it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:46.320 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee Texas one state under God one and indivisible. 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:58.960 All right thank you and can we have a presentation from any members? 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:10.720 Keep moving on. There are no cards. Well hello! We started just a smidge early. 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:23.680 All right on the agenda item 3a number HLC 26-005 is to consider approval of the February 9th 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:32.960 2026 minutes. Move to approve. Okay we have a second I mean we have a motion and a second. 00:01:32.960 --> 00:01:39.520 Wow I'm getting ahead of myself now. So thank you Commissioner Black and Hogan. Any questions 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:47.600 or further discussion on the minutes? If not I'll move for approval say aye. Any just all right so 00:01:47.600 --> 00:01:57.360 motion passed. Item 3b number HLC 26-0001 on the agenda is to hold a public meeting and consider 00:01:57.360 --> 00:02:03.040 making a recommendation to the Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council regarding an 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:09.760 application for historically marked designation in accordance with section 2.9.4 of the Ditten Development 00:02:09.760 --> 00:02:18.400 Code for the property located at 1403. How do you say this? Kindolf? Kindolf Drive. The property is 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:29.920 located on the east side of Kindolf Drive approximately 360 feet north of Whippoorwill Lane HL 26-001. 00:02:30.880 --> 00:02:36.240 All right thank you Chair. As stated this is for the property at 1403 Kindolf Drive which is 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:41.040 highlighted there in the red box. The owner is Jennifer Morales or the applicant is Jennifer 00:02:41.040 --> 00:02:47.840 Morales as well and the construction date is circa 1959. As stated this request is for historic 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:54.640 landmark designation. It is located within the Denia neighborhood. It's at R3 zoning. As you can 00:02:54.640 --> 00:03:01.200 see they're surrounded by R3 zoning, single family residence and the property is approximately 0.3 acres. 00:03:01.200 --> 00:03:08.480 These are the front west and rear east facades here as you can see 00:03:08.480 --> 00:03:13.440 and we have our north and south facades there as well. 00:03:13.440 --> 00:03:23.600 So staff looked at section 2.9.4b of the Ditten Development Code looking specifically at the 00:03:23.600 --> 00:03:29.200 historic landmark designation criteria that it meets and in this case the property needs 00:03:29.200 --> 00:03:33.920 criteria one which is character, interest or value as part of the development heritage or 00:03:33.920 --> 00:03:39.040 cultural characteristics of the city state or the United States. Criteria three reflects a 00:03:39.040 --> 00:03:45.600 distinguishing characteristic of an architectural type or specimen. Criteria four, identification 00:03:45.600 --> 00:03:50.880 of the work of an architect or master builder. Criteria nine, exemplification of the cultural, 00:03:50.880 --> 00:03:57.360 economic, social, ethnic, historical heritage of the city. Criteria 11, identification with a person 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:01.280 with significantly contributed to the cultural development of the city state or the United States 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:06.160 and then lastly criteria 12, a building or structure that because of its location has become 00:04:06.160 --> 00:04:13.680 a value to the neighborhood community area or the city. So criteria one, three and nine are very 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:20.080 similar so that's why you see them all grouped onto one page but the property itself does show 00:04:20.080 --> 00:04:26.080 how Ditten during the mid-century really kind of embraced those natural trends that were ongoing 00:04:26.080 --> 00:04:31.280 so that innovative design both in the exterior and the interior kind of that suburban style 00:04:31.280 --> 00:04:35.760 development but with a little bit of flair and that integration of natural landscapes into that 00:04:35.760 --> 00:04:41.600 design as well. It also captured many of the elements of mid-century design kind of that 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:47.200 lot of natural light, lots of windows on the exterior, exposed structural elements, overhanging 00:04:47.200 --> 00:04:53.280 flat roof as you can see in some of these photos and then that indoor outdoor flow being able to go 00:04:53.280 --> 00:05:00.080 kind of inside to outside just by being kind of like what we saw on Willowood with one of our 00:05:00.080 --> 00:05:05.680 previous destinations. And then also especially as we've learned with the Deenian neighborhood, 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:10.960 it has a lot of mid-century modern homes and so this is just another example of that modernist 00:05:10.960 --> 00:05:17.600 art architecture that we see in that Deenian neighborhood. Approval criteria four, it was 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:23.040 designed by the Mount Millers so Tom Holt Miller and Isabel Mount who were part of Mount Miller 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:29.520 architects and as you all are very familiar they designed and remodeled over between 200 and 300 00:05:29.520 --> 00:05:37.040 homes within Ditten alone between 1953 and 2000 and a lot of these were in the Deenian neighborhood 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:42.720 so just wanted to kind of call out some of the examples that we have. Both of these are in Deenia 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:47.760 also a local landmark designation that you all have seen and then the Denton Unitarian Universalist 00:05:47.760 --> 00:06:00.080 fellowship. Looking approval criteria 11, we have Dr. Hiram Freidsen. Freidsen thank you okay 00:06:00.080 --> 00:06:06.240 Freidsen. He served in the U.S. Marine Corps during and after World War II. He was also a UNT 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:13.040 professor and administrator for 40 or less a little less than 40 years but he also was a delegate 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:22.240 to the White House conferences on aging in 1961, 1971, and 1981 and I have tried to pronounce this 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:32.880 correctly gerontological gerontological I apologize okay well Google told me the wrong way to pronounce 00:06:32.880 --> 00:06:41.120 it so I apologize. Society of America created the Hiram Freidsen award so just wanted to highlight 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:46.160 so he actually him and his wife were actually the ones who worked with Mount Miller to design the 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:53.760 home and get it constructed. And then lastly looking at approval criteria 12 it is kind of 00:06:53.760 --> 00:06:59.040 a key landmark within the Deenia neighborhood especially with these kind of iconic paneling 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:04.800 that we see on the side. It is part of that cluster of Mount Miller homes within the Deenia 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:11.280 neighborhood. It's been featured on a lot of public architectural tours including last year's 00:07:11.280 --> 00:07:17.040 walking tour of the Deenia neighborhood and it really is kind of recognized within Denton 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.600 promotions as that haven of mid-century modern architecture that we know as Deenia. 00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:29.680 So staff's analysis also looked at the 2019 historic preservation plan goal one policy 1.3 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:36.880 as well as the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan goal CC-2. So staff is recommending approval 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:41.600 of the request for a historic landmark designation of the property located at 1403 Kindolf Drive 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:47.520 as it does consist with our goals and objectives of that Denton 2040 comprehensive plan and our 00:07:47.520 --> 00:07:53.040 2019 historic preservation plan as well as our Denton development capital. That can stand for any 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.440 questions and we do have the applicants here if you do have any specific questions for them as well. 00:07:57.440 --> 00:08:05.680 So the remodel what was before and after you have pictures of that? That is in your backup 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.760 of the before and after they were not included in this one. They were not included in this but 00:08:09.760 --> 00:08:20.320 that just in the back. Yes correct. I was surprised to read that it is now rental property so 00:08:20.320 --> 00:08:27.280 did I read that wrong? I restored it and my first tenant was the dean for the school of art at UNT. 00:08:27.280 --> 00:08:36.400 He was there for six years and then the next tenant was the hospitality. She left her house 00:08:36.400 --> 00:08:42.000 straight out of this department. So it really is the Dean Yeh neighborhood. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:09:01.440 There are some other rental houses on that street that aren't nearly as pristine. 00:09:06.880 --> 00:09:14.880 She wanted to buy it. I looked at it. I said if you want to do this 00:09:14.880 --> 00:09:22.880 I'm not kidding you this would be overhanging part of the front elevated there. There are huge 00:09:22.880 --> 00:09:32.480 steel poles that support it along the beam and they have buried it over the years to the point 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:39.280 that those beams those round steel poles had a hole so big you could put your fist inside 00:09:39.280 --> 00:09:48.160 and we found stuff like that all over this. We stripped it down to the studs reinforced it 00:09:48.160 --> 00:09:56.720 with heavier wood and it was really an early construction for Mount Miller and a lot of it 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:03.520 was done we understand by students and you know I'm not saying it was subpar but there was some 00:10:03.520 --> 00:10:12.880 stuff and we went through everything. Everything would actually replace the air conditioning system 00:10:12.880 --> 00:10:29.200 a quick system twice to get it right. So these plans here yes they the originals or they the 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:34.000 remodel okay they're the originals okay so it left the footprint they just did things on the 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:40.400 inside or yes so I would say do you want to explain kind of the process that you all went 00:10:40.400 --> 00:10:46.000 through with remodeling but keeping everything similar or exactly with maybe some new materials 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:52.480 here and there for the Mount Miller's? Just exterior if you want to tell us about the interior you can. 00:10:52.480 --> 00:11:00.720 We left the polished concrete floors and the cork was not good so we brought guy with the cork. 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:11.520 We slightly changed the floor plan in respect that we moved the bathrooms around slightly 00:11:11.520 --> 00:11:17.440 and they're in the same footprint but you know just changing where a couple doors work with 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:22.640 more space and it was like four by eight so we took the hall. 00:11:22.640 --> 00:11:32.400 Everything that we did we tried to be consistent with materials to the left side of that image 00:11:32.400 --> 00:11:39.440 right there there's a courtyard with cinder block and that's something we added when we were doing 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:50.640 the entire front yard has been redone all those stairs and all the we can't really see it there 00:11:50.640 --> 00:11:57.680 but there's a bunch of steel or walls or painted walls that go down the hill there and everything 00:11:57.680 --> 00:12:05.280 was you know tried to we tried to restore in this image on the right there's a small cinder block 00:12:05.280 --> 00:12:14.320 area there on the bottom left corner it was completely falling apart and had a staircase 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:20.160 built into it that when you walk through it it was about five feet tall and you know it's just 00:12:20.160 --> 00:12:25.280 poorly done and so we took and rebuilt it used the same materials used cinder block 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.120 and you could most people couldn't tell that it was something that was recently redone 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:36.480 same thing with the there's some wrought iron that we had to put out on the stairs 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:43.840 we copied the internal the interior that used a certain design a certain pattern and we then 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:52.000 made that so everything you know that we did we tried to keep as it was a little bit of change the 00:12:53.200 --> 00:13:03.040 the front porch and back porch were added and uh i was i was happy you said that was one of the 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:09.520 features that went with that style because that you know something we added the back for it was 00:13:09.520 --> 00:13:16.240 added uh if you would see the before pictures the house had been through a lot of owners and was 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:24.640 really it was a rental house it was a dentin rental house it was in bad shape it had lots of layers of 00:13:24.640 --> 00:13:30.560 pain on the inside and all the because we went to college here so we know 00:13:30.560 --> 00:13:44.000 that design on the end of the house uh was originally supposed to be 00:13:46.880 --> 00:13:52.800 uh similarity and uh you know we couldn't change that yeah there's a picture of the original 00:13:52.800 --> 00:13:58.800 and it was literally falling apart and that's the after 00:13:58.800 --> 00:14:06.400 that sidewalk right there uh actually tilted toward the front door it actually slanted 00:14:06.400 --> 00:14:13.120 with the front door which was built by me and joe green when he was in college 00:14:14.640 --> 00:14:20.160 that's what they said this is the one we did to breathe breathe there you can see some of the steel 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:28.960 that goes around there there it cascades down that hill which was just a pile of sand when we lived in 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:36.880 that haydye block was popular then our swimming pool is built out of haydye blocks 00:14:36.880 --> 00:14:44.240 yeah you can kind of uh you can kind of see some of the other stuff down below that uh little 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:51.280 cinder block thing when i was mentioning that's the rebuild of course you can see before it was 00:14:51.280 --> 00:14:58.000 one block lower and we had it completely taken out and rebuilt and then an actual staircase built 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:03.920 through there everything's been replaced i mean everything it was a year and a half lenny knows 00:15:03.920 --> 00:15:08.960 how long we were working on it because you watched from back to front but i was in really good shape 00:15:10.800 --> 00:15:16.080 those colors make me think of the partridge family 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:32.080 we went ahead and step up the wall 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:47.840 are anyone else on any discussion cameron in your opinion the renovations on the exterior any way 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:52.880 that have been done are they consistent uh you know we're talking about the old adams building 00:15:52.880 --> 00:15:57.520 right are they consistent with sort of keeping the dominant architectural features of the building 00:15:57.520 --> 00:16:00.080 it seems like it is to me yes yes 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:12.080 i make a motion we accept staff recommendation second all right we have a motion and a second 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:20.800 to accept as staff presented any all right all in favor return say yes all right any opposition 00:16:20.800 --> 00:16:25.520 all right motion passes thank you thank you guys thank you so much 00:16:25.520 --> 00:16:33.920 you know it's it's right there from my house 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:46.720 okay all right our next item is item 48 number hlc 26-013 to hold a discussion regarding whether 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:53.120 the hlc will provide an informational advisory statement to city council about historic 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:59.440 preservation issues related to the future use of the ditton women's club women's club building 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:09.280 so we had discussions on our last i think it was during our matrix time or something 00:17:09.280 --> 00:17:16.560 we were talking about this item to bring it up my understanding is that 00:17:16.560 --> 00:17:24.960 as far as use of the as far as the building any changes or anything that does come to hlc 00:17:25.840 --> 00:17:34.000 uses of that usually does not fall into hlc category that would be correct so that doesn't 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:39.360 as how they use it now that doesn't prevent us to say putting a word in 00:17:39.360 --> 00:17:47.280 from that but as far as anything voting on on our purview is not really part 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:56.240 right and chair if i may so in your list of powers and duties one of the things that the hlc is 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.800 author is to do is provide information and counseling to owners of historic 00:18:00.800 --> 00:18:08.240 structures so that's the context that staff and i would encourage you all to focus your discussion 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:16.720 on of a whether to have the disc whether to draft the opinion or advisory letter and be generally 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:24.160 what to say in it and then our recommendation would be whoever gets well and told to write a 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:36.880 draft who would look at it next meeting and and to get an adopted question so it says related to 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:46.080 the future use of the building but this pertains to the renewal of the lease or not correct 00:18:47.520 --> 00:18:58.640 is that what why this is up for discussion and it is it is so it's a delicate thread to 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:07.600 needle to thread of uh opining on how the in progress negotiations should go 00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:14.400 versus um i don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but like here's why we think the structure 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:21.360 is important and here's what we'd encourage any future owner or leaseholder slash whatever 00:19:21.360 --> 00:19:28.960 to to keep in mind so i was also thinking um you know part of the reason obviously that we're all 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:32.960 concerned about this is because you we can't touch on this stuff also touching on quaker town 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:40.400 um and i feel like you know part of the reason that you know quaker town has not gotten the 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:46.880 uh you know preservation or narrative or interpretive attention it needs is because you know we're still 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:52.320 not necessarily giving the story the full daylight that it deserves um and from that perspective i 00:19:52.320 --> 00:20:00.160 think i feel there is a case here that uh you know consciously or intentionally or not um you know 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:06.080 when we don't use something like the women's building to tell that story we are impeding best 00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:12.720 use of uh historical resources regarding the quaker town district which i feel like you know maybe 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:16.960 does bring it a little bit closer to our normal purview that you know essentially this is an issue 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:21.040 about how to uh you know promote or impede historical resources rather than 00:20:21.040 --> 00:20:31.440 am i right in thinking that basically your advice is to be informational so for example 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:36.000 whatever document we decide to write one you're talking about the history of the building the 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:43.520 history of the park but we don't necessarily weigh in on the issue of whether or not a lease 00:20:43.520 --> 00:20:48.320 should be granted into hooman for how much or whatever right that would be my strong recommendation 00:20:48.320 --> 00:20:55.360 can we get into the needle and say things like you know we yeah we would hope that day we 00:20:55.360 --> 00:21:00.160 negotiate a lease with blah blah blah blah i mean if not specifically say at least you know 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:06.720 reflect the many historical resources or resources or historical dimensions of this physical space 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:16.000 i don't know what that phrase means okay we hope that the women's club will 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.640 in the future play greater knowledge one of the fact they have stolen land 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:30.720 yeah okay so you're this is delicate because it's putting staff in a spot too potentially 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:37.920 because what's our job is to effectuate city council's direction and um city council has not 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:48.320 given a direction and so um what we guide you on needs to leave room for city council to give a 00:21:48.320 --> 00:22:01.520 direction and then for us to follow it um and so i love how you're just letting me talk this is 00:22:01.520 --> 00:22:07.120 binding we're just going on record right what you're doing is no you're not binding council 00:22:07.120 --> 00:22:11.120 yeah we're inviting ourselves i mean that's weird are we ever just saying 00:22:11.120 --> 00:22:13.920 yeah we think this is how we might do it if we were y'all 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:23.040 or actually more more to the point these are the things we would take in a serious consideration 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:32.160 if we were in your place i think looking at historic structures one but looking at the use 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:40.160 like this structure is known for this and that usually play to me plays a lot of weight 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:48.080 into future things too that you know do you do we want to go in on say these are things we would 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:54.080 look at on yes we would grant them another lease for a penny or a dollar or or whatever 00:22:54.080 --> 00:23:01.760 that i don't think we want to get into um how much we should be that that's not 00:23:01.760 --> 00:23:09.120 yeah to me that is not ours at all we tell the history of that building it came to be in the land 00:23:09.120 --> 00:23:17.120 that it came to be and and and if we simply said something to the effect of you know we hope that 00:23:17.120 --> 00:23:25.360 that history will be represented in whatever exactly yeah council decides to do whether the 00:23:25.360 --> 00:23:33.120 lease is renewed or or it goes to someone else that whatever happens that it's and i i mean i've 00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:39.360 grown up knowing that all my life that building the use right but only in the last few years i 00:23:39.360 --> 00:23:46.640 was in my 60s before i found out the real history i mean i think our advice we are you have an advice 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:55.200 in the capacity here our advice is that that history be acknowledged and you know really 00:23:55.200 --> 00:24:03.120 forthright present and whatever yeah the city decides to do with that and um you know go ahead 00:24:03.120 --> 00:24:09.760 i was just going to ask can we say anything about the marker that supposedly talks about it but 00:24:09.760 --> 00:24:17.520 doesn't really it sits over there you don't know that i think they could advise that the marker be 00:24:17.520 --> 00:24:30.000 redone in the future to i guess tell the true story yeah tell the full story so my my thoughts 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:36.960 for you all is that the more we can stay factually accurate because i want to say something in my 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:44.720 personal capacity um but not my attorney capacity so pardon me while i filter that um the more that 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:52.560 we can say factually accurate and just agnostic as to um the politics or the competing values 00:24:52.560 --> 00:24:59.920 um that are at play here the more i think that what i'm inferring of many of the commissioners 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:05.120 personal preferences for the site the more the facts will speak for themselves 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:15.040 well it concerns me a great deal that the marker that's there is not factual and it sits across the 00:25:15.040 --> 00:25:24.000 little creek or whatever that is and you can actually read that marker and look around and 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:29.760 think wonder what does that have anything to do with any of these buildings i'm seeing because it 00:25:29.760 --> 00:25:38.800 it does not specify that building in no way does it specify building uh and i i wonder if we can't 00:25:38.800 --> 00:25:45.920 comment on we'd like to have a marker that truthfully talks about that particular building 00:25:45.920 --> 00:26:00.800 yeah it is to go on okay to linnie's point um and keeping this informational as an advisory about a history of that building specifically 00:26:00.800 --> 00:26:07.600 because that building doesn't have any interpretation well that but the marker across the i understand 00:26:07.600 --> 00:26:16.800 that was the first quicker time right the 1991 city historic one um and and you're absolutely right about that one so 00:26:16.800 --> 00:26:24.720 could that be a possibility that we uh in our advisory capacity uh maybe describe um 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:34.800 kind of the need for uh some type of um whether it's a marker or something informational that 00:26:34.800 --> 00:26:39.600 helps to tell the story of that in the context of wakertown sketch out some factual parameters 00:26:39.600 --> 00:26:48.640 correct yes and and and in that way what that will do is then open uh possibilities for that 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:55.360 space to play a more active role in interpreting wakertown yes that sounds like that's within our 00:26:55.360 --> 00:27:02.800 group yes yes i i don't see any issue with that being as part of the informational letter and 00:27:02.800 --> 00:27:09.600 you know advice or suggestion that you all bring to council stating you know whatever the use may be 00:27:09.600 --> 00:27:15.600 we do feel however these facts seem to be stated and they need to be presented to create the 00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:20.320 larger story of quaker town i think that's more than fine it would be appropriate to assert that 00:27:20.320 --> 00:27:28.080 our community has not fully come to terms with what happened at quaker town and uh and perhaps 00:27:28.080 --> 00:27:35.360 this building uh is part of that lack of that's what's trying to get out my i mean i don't i don't 00:27:35.360 --> 00:27:39.200 i mean i don't want to go to i certainly don't want to tell council what to do or suggest that 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:46.640 they do this out of the other but as an historian i i feel like it is i'm on very firm footing by 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:51.200 saying that we as a community have absolutely not come to terms with that that's just a statement 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:57.360 and that building is not the only part of that story but it's all very highly visible and symbolic 00:27:57.360 --> 00:28:05.760 one yeah and whether that's a plaque or you know something whatever it is that i think 00:28:05.760 --> 00:28:10.480 you're gonna have to come to terms with that building as a community and i think i don't see 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:15.600 that being a legal issue in terms of you all expressing just that in the letter just saying 00:28:15.600 --> 00:28:20.560 we are concerned as you know the commission that this might be just a point of contention and that 00:28:20.560 --> 00:28:25.920 we haven't come to terms with the story of quaker town and you know the displacement of that community 00:28:26.560 --> 00:28:33.520 and that our hopes with having this you know informational conversation is that we start 00:28:33.520 --> 00:28:41.280 taking steps to rectify that um and from a legal perspective uncomfortable with the direction this 00:28:41.280 --> 00:28:49.520 is going because it is completely it doesn't matter who controls the site um and that doesn't change 00:28:49.520 --> 00:28:54.400 the message that you all are conveying from a parliamentary perspective could we please take a 00:28:54.400 --> 00:29:00.160 vote to confirm that we're all um in all our majority of us are in consensus to drop the letter 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:12.240 yeah i so move okay so we have a motion and a second that we're all in agreement for the 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:29.520 drafting of the letter i think the focus on the history is the thing we're the historic 00:29:29.520 --> 00:29:38.080 historic landmark mission so it's absolutely appropriate for us to be concerned that the 00:29:38.080 --> 00:29:47.280 history be factual and that the history be presented so everybody knows i dare say 00:29:47.280 --> 00:29:53.920 because i did the walking tour at the park a couple of weeks ago and i learned a lot 00:29:53.920 --> 00:30:01.120 and i i would predict that there are a number of women in the texas federation of women club 00:30:01.120 --> 00:30:12.320 and aerial club and all that who don't know who do not know why and how instrumental the texas 00:30:12.320 --> 00:30:18.240 federation of women's club was in the whole thing and that ought to be said they don't need to be 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:23.200 ashamed these women don't you know what they were not here they were not here you're right 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:31.680 the federation is a wonderful things but neither one against the other right so on that on that 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:38.880 note one of the things that we're asking about the idea of drafting something i'm volunteering 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:44.480 to do that i've been actually working on that aspect of the history with dr annetta ramsey 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:48.960 she has a book that's going to be coming out here in the next week that specifically deals 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:54.400 with the dent women's interracial fellowship but it also touches on the history of women's clubs 00:30:54.400 --> 00:31:01.440 in denton and so she has some new research that i've been privy to that helped contribute to 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:09.680 specifically regarding the conditions of how that building got there because i'll be real 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:16.880 when you talk about people don't know that history i had to go looking i had to go digging to find 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:22.960 the original lease agreement because it wasn't available it wasn't where it was supposed to be 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:30.320 but yeah right right but but i mean that's that's what got me started with somebody said well it's 00:31:30.320 --> 00:31:37.920 not there i'm like now i'm putting on my shirt like hometown right so um we do have a lot of new 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:48.080 pieces uh to this but i think uh i think we can we can very much as you point you know um 00:31:48.080 --> 00:31:55.920 judiciously be able to offer information on how that property is itself a valuable part of the 00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:05.120 quaker town story and focus on um possibilities for perhaps better contributing to tell that 00:32:05.120 --> 00:32:11.920 history because i feel like that's the most positive does that make sense but it's a very 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:21.600 positive way of making making us um partners and in doing that and helping to provide a 00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:28.480 forward context for the quaker town history so commissioner tree i'm comfortable with you 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:36.160 drafting a letter with any option or happy to help if you want it if not like yourself i can't 00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:40.080 i mean it's a manager i can't commit so much but i'd be more than happy to give it a readover 00:32:40.080 --> 00:32:48.960 you know so what we're going to do if we have no more than three drafters with that is you guys 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:55.840 communicating in terms of doing what i'd like to have done is have uh everybody's drafts or 00:32:55.840 --> 00:33:03.680 whatever you come with together a week before yeah so by march 31st perfect so that we could 00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:08.160 then promulgate a staff report that goes out to everyone so we're doing open records 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:15.040 yes that's what i mean who has a desire to participate in this i'm more than happy to 00:33:15.040 --> 00:33:28.160 not do well yes and that'll be in your yeah yeah i don't mind stepping out of that before i wrote 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:33.280 novels like the 25 years of public communications i'm happy to help okay so we have commissioner 00:33:33.280 --> 00:33:41.680 treat and mcadam's working on it and so we only need one more so you want john okay okay if you 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.000 need for edits i'll be happy to but for you guys to do it i'm good with that if you need i'm 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:51.440 betting it'll come back and that's fine you know what i was gonna say so i'll it'll come back in 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:59.200 april so once if staff receives a letter on march 31st that draft will go to all of you all so then 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:03.440 you can come with your edits and your suggestions and then there can be a conversation that happens 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:08.880 so that everyone would we be able to walk through edit it yeah i i can i can do track changes and 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:16.800 stuff we can do that way yeah we can do that so if it were in perfect world and we could do this 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:24.000 draft this letter if we could ask the i what i would love to see in quite the town park 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:30.320 and it's not blind for that one building which i think that building deserves it so i'm too good 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:42.480 with that but have you seen the big it would be like a a big um sign of some kind that would 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:48.240 have the history have you been to historic places where you can sit there it's like almost like 00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:54.800 they're in it's in stone the lettering and stuff where you can actually read about the whole history 00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:00.960 of that entire park and then if it would even have a map okay this building was here with this 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.640 and then this and then even if what you could even say and then at whatever year the swimming 00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:13.200 pool was built you know that type of thing and tell the history go back and tell the history 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:17.680 of the park and what happened i would actually love a virtual walking tour that you can complete 00:35:17.680 --> 00:35:25.520 on your phone well we want to i would say we want to get back on topic well here's the thing when 00:35:25.520 --> 00:35:31.120 we're talking about this to me it's kind of on topic because we have a sign it doesn't have anything 00:35:31.120 --> 00:35:37.360 to do that it's not factual and it doesn't have that so if they were to do that and even expand 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.520 it and i think that you know if we could say what our wishes were even not just that building but 00:35:43.520 --> 00:35:53.520 even for quaker town park yes here's what yes so you know y'all are writing this but um consider 00:35:53.520 --> 00:36:01.920 the effectiveness of your communication um i would posit that a more targeted approach if this 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.640 particular structure is what we're most concerned about at this structure um might want to go that 00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:12.880 direction but i think you're going to bring this into two projects basically focus on the letter 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:19.200 now regarding the lease and then maybe we take up a broader you know this is what the hlc feels like 00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:25.840 an ideal here ideal interpret display for quaker town looks like well what about just including in 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:35.840 this letter that we want the building to represent a broader vision for the park as a whole and then 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:40.880 we would love to provide input on that or something like don't don't give them give them the whole 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:48.240 story but just say that you know we're here we're advisors yeah and i would say definitely look at 00:36:48.240 --> 00:36:54.160 the design downtown denim plan because there is a lot of references to doing historical markers and 00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:59.680 historical pathways so i would read that and if there's things that you all don't agree with in 00:36:59.680 --> 00:37:04.080 terms of obviously they're broad but if there's things that you all don't agree with or you feel 00:37:04.080 --> 00:37:09.440 like should be added to i think that's a good starting point for you all at least a baseline 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:15.440 in terms of there's a lot of that i did think it was interesting in the in the prep materials 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:20.800 because i think you reference that or do you have to reference that but it was that building 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:25.360 wasn't really a part of that discussion which i find exactly what i said earlier 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:34.240 so just to clarify that part of having been to most of the meetings and the presentations on the 00:37:34.240 --> 00:37:42.320 downtown didn't plan which is great that's that's a good tip is to tie it into these aspirational 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:51.200 future uses and development of quicker town itself the building wasn't talked about 00:37:51.200 --> 00:37:55.920 it wasn't brought up right because i don't think anyone knew it was on the table 00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:02.560 but what was on the table and what people were mostly kind of distracted by was the pool i don't 00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:10.240 know if you remember how excited everybody got from that so that being said and staying close to 00:38:10.240 --> 00:38:19.360 you know the possible future uses not uses but utilization of the building and the property it 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:26.400 sits on in quicker town yeah to tie that in close with something that is going to help us then plug 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:32.560 into these goals of the master plan i think it just gives you all kind of that more factual 00:38:32.560 --> 00:38:36.240 baseline because that was something that was approved by council that's right and i think 00:38:36.240 --> 00:38:40.400 so that's kind of why i was just saying them there's there's something you can state that hey 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.640 council you all approve this and we're just trying to build on this correct and that's your point 00:38:44.640 --> 00:38:50.480 about discussing about okay some other interpretive things in the park that's where that would then 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:57.120 provide kind of introductory rationale justification that we have been giving guidance by council 00:38:57.120 --> 00:39:01.360 we're helping you execute what you want to do all the way along now you got it that's right so 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:07.840 so yes um great and this is just first draft business right so we'll get together and try 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:13.120 to create something first draft and then be able to bring it here for editing the vision input 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:21.280 that's that's a way a good community to vote on that on the personnel decision yeah we can 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:32.800 it was more just voting on which option you all won yeah so that's totally well we've been making 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:40.560 some committees and chair can i do a pardon shot so just from a strategy perspective and an 00:39:40.560 --> 00:39:45.040 effectiveness perspective i want to make a factual note that i've been with the school for about five 00:39:45.040 --> 00:39:51.200 years and i have not yet run into a board of commission that has done this yet and to to to 00:39:51.200 --> 00:39:58.240 write an advisory opinion um so just be sensitive to whether or not people like being managed up 00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:10.000 and in your in your drafting i think that'll that'll be um that'll be a key concern like with tone 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:16.640 that we'll be able to address in editing yes i just kind of wanted to remind me of additional 00:40:16.640 --> 00:40:21.920 like at draft i take that as an experienced editor because you know the first draft is always with 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:32.880 ferment it's like then anything you send to these staff is also an open record correct yes it is and 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:36.800 you know that's a great point because i didn't really think about them looking at it as being 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:44.640 managed up except that they put us on these boards for a reason yeah and it could be that hey those 00:40:44.640 --> 00:40:51.600 are the things we want you to draw to our attention but to your point not to like hey you know 00:40:51.600 --> 00:41:01.040 managing up that this is right i think we're here to advise you it's an informational advisory 00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:07.120 here's what we know there you go yes literally good point thank you 00:41:07.120 --> 00:41:15.520 all right are we good with that i was just gonna say and and it can all be positive i mean 00:41:16.080 --> 00:41:23.360 the bad stuff is behind us that's happened you can't change that now we're talking about positive 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:29.840 things that we can do to acknowledge what was done and but we know better now and we do better 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:35.360 and i think that's the proper tone for whatever i think you could put that in there 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.120 all right then we will move on to another discussion to item 00:41:47.120 --> 00:41:57.600 4b number hlc 26-112 on our agenda is to receive a report called a discussion to give staff direction 00:41:57.600 --> 00:42:02.880 regarding the historic landmark commission's participation and didn't reveal preservation 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:12.400 map 2026 yes so we have a little bit more of the scheduling um as didn't figure it out uh the 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:19.840 proclamation just so you all know for the city has been moved to may 5th uh and the dead historic 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:24.240 bar tour and cemetery tour kind of like similar like last time are happening we're just kind of 00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:28.240 waiting on the date and time for the dead and historic bar tour and then the cemetery tour in 00:42:28.240 --> 00:42:33.760 terms of the location but the rest of it's finalized um so wanted to bring this all back 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:38.320 because this was something you all had discussed in february um i know there was a couple different 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:45.200 ideas that were thrown out such as like first friday tour um doing denton trivia night but i 00:42:45.200 --> 00:42:52.240 know it's kind of seemed to go geared towards kind of more of education and just making sure that 00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:56.720 people know that you all are around kind of what the historic preservation processes are with the 00:42:56.720 --> 00:43:04.080 city um and get people excited about preservation and denton um so this is kind of this you know 00:43:04.080 --> 00:43:10.240 topic or i guess this agenda item for you all kind of to finalize that um and determine for sure that 00:43:10.240 --> 00:43:15.760 you all want to do x y and z events um so just wanted to bring that back and then we'll make 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.800 sure that obviously that gets added to the calendar as well you just want to remind everybody that an 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:30.240 alternative bar tour was on the table yes there was that was you will present my idea i'm so sorry 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.240 um 00:43:37.240 --> 00:43:44.720 so as you all see i guess one that's really neat that crumb has brought they are joining and doing 00:43:44.720 --> 00:43:49.200 restoring the crumb depot and they're going to do a tour of their city hall and the depot as well 00:43:49.200 --> 00:43:56.800 yeah can someone remind me i know we had a conversation about where uh we might because 00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:01.040 the idea was maybe that we're going to piggyback off of something else right is that i think there 00:44:01.040 --> 00:44:08.480 was consensus on that but we the fight arts one seemed like it was maybe a difficult one to do 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:13.920 unless we did it in the limited space yeah unless we did in the courthouse across the street right 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:18.320 which is where they're going to be doing the lecture so you all could do something there prior 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.000 to the lecture and there was going to be involved there was waiting involved for them to get the 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:28.160 tour right so that you have a captive audience correct and then obviously with the southridge 00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:33.520 neighborhood walking tour that one's outside so you know in terms of being able to sit and chat 00:44:33.520 --> 00:44:43.200 with someone not as horrible of a setting um so there's that opportunity there but um i know one 00:44:43.200 --> 00:44:51.440 of the ideas was to present stuff from the research subcommittee um and i know that we're next on the 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:59.200 agenda so i won't say too much i think our ability to do a lot would be fairly limited just based on 00:44:59.200 --> 00:45:05.920 where we're at in the process right now um that's not to say that it couldn't be included somehow 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:11.760 but i don't think that should be necessarily the entire sure that's not a full event at this point 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:18.320 right okay and i know there are some discussions about you all kind of talking about like kind of 00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:23.040 the wins that you have had um and talking about some of the projects that you all have worked on 00:45:23.040 --> 00:45:28.000 and seen over the last couple years and how preservation has kind of changed as the chair 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:33.120 strictly has stated in the past kind of it's not as black and white anymore in terms of preservation 00:45:33.120 --> 00:45:39.120 is that um it's a little bit more flexible not as stringent um kind of taking more that national 00:45:39.120 --> 00:45:47.200 parks approach in terms of how you're doing preservation um so i remember that was also a 00:45:47.200 --> 00:45:52.640 topic of discussion so well i think we just need to let people know that we're encouraging 00:45:52.640 --> 00:45:59.440 preservation and i think before it was it was not even encouraged you don't want to do anything 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:05.920 but that we're encouraging that for homeowners to be able to just even upkeep their properties 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:12.480 i mean i like the idea of showcasing some of the lands some of these houses and you might have to 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:20.400 get a really big cookie cake i don't know but but i like that idea and then there could be an element 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:26.080 where the stuff that we're going to talk about next is sort of a part of that a small part of 00:46:26.080 --> 00:46:30.480 that like hey this is a direction that we're looking at right now but the focus is really 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:35.040 on the things that the wins of which the fight arts theater is one of those right and i don't 00:46:35.040 --> 00:46:43.840 know they didn't have any of that come through here but i'd still call it a win or history 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:53.440 yeah it's all the way right and even some of the um downtown things that we've approved 00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:06.400 that i think that's you can do a tour of the temporary andy's windows 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.880 they don't look bad though fine 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:19.360 so do you need anything else from us well so the only thing i kind of need from you all is i want 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:26.640 to make sure that whatever event you all host is shown on this schedule of events so if it's a 00:47:26.640 --> 00:47:31.920 southridge neighborhood walking tour i would do you know preservation education you know we would 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:38.160 come up with a title that allows people to know that there's going to be kind of this you know 00:47:38.160 --> 00:47:42.000 supporting preservation and how you can get involved in the preservation of denton 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:47.120 and a walking tour so i just want to make sure that whatever you all are doing 00:47:47.120 --> 00:47:52.960 gets promoted so there might have to be a little bit more conversation of date time all that but 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:58.960 i want to make sure that i know where it's kind of falling would help me at least because we do 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:06.800 want to start promoting this as soon as possible and will we get little um posters yeah i would 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:13.760 get them to you lini don't worry i'm leaning against doing it during south bridge neighborhood 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:20.400 only because it's outside yeah and hard i think to get that audience that we're looking for 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:26.400 i agree i'm looking at things like the legacy lab tour at emily bellwood library that would 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:32.640 be a much more conducive uh endorsement or we could have like a powerpoint slider presentation 00:48:32.640 --> 00:48:46.800 yeah uh there's also um something like so um and maybe ask if we can add something to either 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:53.360 open or close the vintage short film fest maybe have a few words a little sizzle reel 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:58.480 of like historic preservation look what exciting things are going on right that's cool something 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:04.480 like that that might be a that might be a good opportunity um what does the legacy lab tour 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:10.640 research so um so the legacy lab tour um just to let you all know that is going to only be limited 00:49:10.640 --> 00:49:18.480 to 20 people because it is this very small space but yes so it is going to be limited so you might 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:25.040 not get as big of a crowd um unless it's promoted as a separate event prior to but what the legacy 00:49:25.040 --> 00:49:33.040 lab is is um it's essentially a lab where you can preserve documentation photographs um video all 00:49:33.040 --> 00:49:38.560 that kind of stuff but our library actually offers that i kind of like the short film festival too 00:49:38.560 --> 00:49:43.040 because i think i think you might get a different audience than so you might get some of these 00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:50.080 sort of things as someone's at last year's uh film festival there's a lot of attendance but it's not 00:49:50.080 --> 00:49:58.720 really conducive i mean it's a surprisingly chaotic environment so i mean if we want kind of what kind 00:49:58.720 --> 00:50:02.480 of like we want to shoehorn a few words the beginning or end that that might work but in terms 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:07.760 like interacting with folks i just if it's like it was last year i just don't see anything feasible 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:14.720 so even if we're just walking around i mean so basically again if it's like it was last year 00:50:14.720 --> 00:50:18.560 it's not a film festival like we might think if you'd like me it would be the southpaw or something 00:50:18.560 --> 00:50:25.040 like that i mean it's pretty much 50 chairs set in front of one of the walls to collab and non-stop 00:50:25.040 --> 00:50:30.240 back-to-back we don't yes so there you know there's always noise and activity in darkness 00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:35.680 okay it wasn't until really the end that people have the opportunity to talk 00:50:35.680 --> 00:50:41.040 yeah we don't really do breaks because the films the reels are very long and we want to make sure 00:50:41.040 --> 00:50:44.640 that people get to see them i mean we've got this new portion around the courthouse 150 times 00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:50.080 otherwise what's the point what if we did it i don't know what time it starts at so i don't know 00:50:50.080 --> 00:50:58.560 the logistics of it but what if what if before it started we were there so it will start at 6 30 and 00:50:58.560 --> 00:51:05.760 it will end at 8 so it's about a two hour period so if you all wanted to get there because people 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:10.800 started showing up at six to grab seats well that's the thing in that there is kind of a captive 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:18.960 audience there then what if we were there from five to six thirty almost like ushering people 00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:23.520 that's great because we were having to usher and we were failing because there was four of us and 00:51:23.520 --> 00:51:30.800 we were like hi i'm running over here not a big popcorn we do that like host right that's what 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:37.040 i was saying we don't have a budget for like a mixer type thing right no we kind of just all 00:51:37.040 --> 00:51:43.280 pitched in and got candy and popcorn and all that stuff at that point if we had something whatever 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:49.360 it might be then it might have a reason to come earlier yeah because i staff can print out flyers 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:55.120 for you all to pass out so if we if someone wanted to design something in canva to kind of direct 00:51:55.120 --> 00:52:01.840 people or i don't know canvas my best friend but a popcorn machine that we could use the county has 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:08.080 a popcorn machine machine so they brought it last year and then we covered the rest with like candy 00:52:08.080 --> 00:52:20.000 and stuff the staff did okay would it be possible if it starts at 6 30 like at 6 15 for us to have an 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:25.440 intro right for historical issues so we're like ushering and then we know well that we could be 00:52:26.640 --> 00:52:35.440 welcoming everybody and then like at 6 15 it's going to start a reel of this you being interviewed 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:44.880 or things like that you know or the real of the of the projects that we had that have gone through 00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:51.600 just and it could just be pictures of them too just so they know these are the things or or maybe 00:52:51.600 --> 00:52:58.240 have a slide that say you know this is historic preservation indeed yes and this is the black 00:52:58.240 --> 00:53:08.960 pretend like it's 1959 when this house was built you guys haven't had to dress up in like costumes 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:14.160 and we'll take it like black and white images i don't think we have to have a formal presentation 00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:20.160 i think just something quick we're there we can hand out things and then just have something 00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:25.680 because it's a film festival just yeah if it's a slideshow you could have it on the loop for the 00:53:25.680 --> 00:53:30.960 hour before it starts i would like that and i guess at some point the announcement could be made hey 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.960 you have a historic house you want to you know ask questions talk to our answers yeah well wear 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:44.240 t-shirts ask i mean this is just one end and not the collab so it's going to have materials available 00:53:44.240 --> 00:53:48.160 on the table we've kind of got a captive audience as they come in going yeah they make that walkway 00:53:48.160 --> 00:53:52.880 real near yeah yeah yeah maybe with like you know one of our starter working members going 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:59.520 yes you will take one of these camera for the legacy lab tour that's going on emily feller 00:53:59.520 --> 00:54:07.200 yes what time is that going to be um i believe that's going to be at either 10 or 11 a.m so i can 00:54:07.200 --> 00:54:14.640 i was to say i just didn't want to give you guys like yeah so much information but i can um tomorrow 00:54:14.640 --> 00:54:21.760 send you all kind of the full screenshot where you see like the time and everything um i just 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:27.040 didn't want to over what i'm asking is that i have a quaker town tour a walking tour of quaker town 00:54:27.040 --> 00:54:36.880 oh that i could um follow that with okay um since people are there the idea is maybe we have a 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:41.680 walking tour in quaker town park or something i already have it actually did one this weekend 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:48.480 um just throwing that out there because that's something that i have and then because what i do 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:54.720 is i actually take them we started the civic center and i use the interpretive things that they have 00:54:54.720 --> 00:54:59.840 already in the park and i use those as my touchstones i move around and show them different 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:03.600 things in the park and where this was and what happened the people were involved here the 00:55:03.600 --> 00:55:09.520 businesses that were here right and so it's a it's a walk where you actually physically get to be 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:17.280 in this do you hand out a map i did the one that the county did a couple weeks ago that kim cubitt 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:25.840 did and so this was the overall map and then this is more detail of quaker town and so they would 00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:34.880 we would walk to where um the allen restaurant was right or and then talk about you know pleasant 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:40.720 grow or yeah pleasant road by this church was here and this used to be a street hope avenue went here 00:55:40.720 --> 00:55:47.200 and the terry road went this way so it's very interesting but also it's nice to be able to look 00:55:47.200 --> 00:55:54.080 at it to have it to look at yeah i think we do a tour of city hall west after the short film 00:55:54.080 --> 00:55:58.480 festival and maybe we can drum up public support for actually doing something with that 00:56:01.520 --> 00:56:05.520 if i am hit the building facilities i don't know if they want to stay that late on a friday unless 00:56:05.520 --> 00:56:10.160 they go to the film fest how long is it we have to wait again before we can do another bond in that 00:56:10.160 --> 00:56:16.480 building try to push something wasn't it i don't know my time was well spent i have to go back and 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:22.240 look it up i know it i wish i could give you an answer i have no idea i'll look it up okay 00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:32.640 and who is hosting the the film fest film fest is um unt colab and then dead reveal team so the 00:56:32.640 --> 00:56:37.520 county myself and then but we can add you guys on there okay that's what i was gonna say i don't 00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:43.280 want to just kind of like hey let's just slide in like yeah shouldn't we like ads oh yeah yeah so 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:51.840 you all can be a host of that event um and then like you stated you all can usher from five to 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:58.960 six fifteen then there can be kind of that reel going with handouts and then um you all can kind 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:07.120 of introduce and talk about the work that you all are doing and then i guess pass it over to me or 00:57:07.120 --> 00:57:11.440 someone from the county and then we'll start talking about the individual reels that we're showing 00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:18.400 and i'm talking with jason boudoir the downtown denton foundation that did oh yeah i've already 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:23.760 put that together for them yes he did tell us that but he just wasn't sure about the timing yet and 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:29.680 then i'm letting him set the date okay but i'm saying it's go but that would also be a good place 00:57:29.680 --> 00:57:37.760 for us to again show like a sizzle reel someplace and talk about the benefits of historic preservation 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.960 because it's on topic you know what i mean oh yeah it's like we can totally roll that in where 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:48.960 you know one of it stops because we do let them stop and get a drink and have time to get a drink 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:55.760 perfect time to like if i'm a quick five minute can we get that can we get that reel on the 00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:03.840 screen at east side i doubt i doubt it would be going at east side but i might i might be able to 00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:17.920 get a screen inside of uh the loophole in the back it has been a while but i'm just i'm just 00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.840 letting you know that because no no i think that's perfect so yeah use a plug into things 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:26.000 that are and you're going to reach different audiences so if you guys if you're real could 00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:31.200 play at the historic bar tour you're going to get a different audience and then obviously with the 00:58:31.200 --> 00:58:36.720 vintage port uh jenton vintage short film fest you'll get another audience there but at least 00:58:36.720 --> 00:58:42.720 he'll play twice throughout the month and then and then you can play it for city council chambers 00:58:42.720 --> 00:58:50.560 during proclamation it'll give you an opportunity to give them hey by the way here's all the cool 00:58:50.560 --> 00:58:54.800 stuff we've been preserving i'm just gonna start pointing stuff like on the screen i'll be like 00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:01.760 look at this and it'll pop up in a bowl we did that we did that should we do things for you to 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:05.200 post if we're all going to be at some of these things like i think yes you should be at the 00:59:05.200 --> 00:59:13.840 proclamation i do too yeah yes so i will yes if we have more than three folks at certain events 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.920 if you all definitely think you're gonna there's gonna be more than three of you all at proclamation 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:24.720 i'll for sure put a notice of public hearing or public yes possible thank you there's a possible 00:59:24.720 --> 00:59:28.720 quorum i've been gone for two weeks sorry there's a possible quorum for the proclamation 00:59:28.720 --> 00:59:36.880 and you'll sit to put it on our calendar yes it's kind of what time yes once i get all these like 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:41.760 i said once all these events are like truly finalized you all are going to get a lot of 00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:47.440 calendar invites for me um so if you definitely know you're going to come it'd be great if you're 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:52.640 able to say i'm able to attend that so then we know for sure which ones will definitely have 00:59:52.640 --> 00:59:57.440 possible quorum and then where ones where we only see one of y'all is accepted then we should be fine 00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:06.560 okay so just to reiterate so i make sure my notes are correct definitely a real 01:00:06.560 --> 01:00:12.800 but you all are going to be pairing with the short film fest and be there prior to it happening at 01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:18.320 6 30 kind of educating the public talking to folks about preservation answering any questions they 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:24.160 may have we'll make sure that you all have a flyer to hand out and then 6 15 kind of kick it off and 01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:33.680 then go from there so um i know that was very quick summary but okay cool all right we're 01:00:33.680 --> 01:00:42.560 ready to move on yes ma'am item 4c number hlc 26-009 held a discussion regarding the next steps 01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:49.120 of the designation to research subcommittee and the community outreach subcommittee community i 01:00:49.120 --> 01:00:58.080 don't know why to establish a potential new local historic district generally located along 01:00:58.080 --> 01:01:03.440 north elm street and north loco street corridors between west mckinney street and west university 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:11.200 john i can make this pretty quick we've kind of divided things up a little bit i'm doing 01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:17.440 the grunt work i'm doing a bunch of data entry and john is uh kind of having fun in the narratives 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:24.560 yes i'm pursuing some stories about specific stuff um data entry is slow 01:01:24.560 --> 01:01:28.320 i've been working my way through some of the city directories 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:35.040 tell them about the widow's block though that's fascinating the what the widow's block 01:01:35.040 --> 01:01:40.080 uh well i don't know if i found anything quite yet but in one of the city directories i'm seeing a 01:01:40.080 --> 01:01:47.920 lot of uh mrs women who appear to be living alone uh and this would have been i think i can't remember 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:54.000 which year like 20 or 20 i mean right after in the 20s whichever 20s when they had um and so i don't 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:58.800 i don't know if these are war widows i don't know if these are the husbands just aren't listed in the 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:05.360 city directories for some reason uh or if they're widows for other reasons or you know i'm not sure 01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:12.640 so or if they were at war and couldn't register they did it for them yeah yeah right i'm not sure 01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:19.600 so hopefully you wanted off one time and she buried him in the back now we have a bunch of 01:02:19.600 --> 01:02:28.000 houses with archaeological back so uh i would like is it possible for me to do like a brief 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:34.240 presentation next meeting just i so i would like to start giving you all like a usb stick that has 01:02:34.240 --> 01:02:38.400 some of the specific stuff that we found i just don't feel like i have quite enough there to make 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:44.400 you for a while um but i can maybe present that i'm not going to go over every piece of information 01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:49.200 just give you an idea of what to look for and how it's organized or something as long as camera gets 01:02:49.200 --> 01:03:00.640 yeah and then it can be part of the right yeah that's great thank you anything else to add 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.800 not really um i think i feel like the widow's block was the biggest mystery uncovered but 01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:11.600 also having fun uh delving into the stir spinning wheels um did not know it opened in 58 i thought 01:03:11.600 --> 01:03:18.480 was younger than that um so and also the what is known as sleeping lizards building has a fascinating 01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:24.400 history oh i bet it does yeah oh yeah denman's first dairy queen but then became like a series 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:30.800 of like increasingly interesting like local restaurants so you have me i'm gonna try and 01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:36.400 see if i can nail down now like a menu at least one of those restaurants just as you know hey folks 01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:43.600 look at this is cool by the way here's a potential recipe you can try to uh when people do all that 01:03:43.600 --> 01:03:54.480 stuff oh yeah yeah nice all right um outreach committee nothing to report uh we need to get a 01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:59.920 list of the owners i think because one of the things i'm running to is i've just been doing 01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:08.240 walk-ins of like different places and none of them are the owners i will i can provide you that 01:04:08.240 --> 01:04:17.840 information great next month fantastic i i i stole all the information straight from the cad and 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:23.360 perfect perfect okay so that will help because that what i need to do is follow up because so far 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:30.400 good news is um just in meet and greet and like quick like pitch of like we're looking to turn this 01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:36.880 in um interesting so there's the interest is there and i'd mentioned last time that i had a 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:42.240 conversation with ken curran that he had he hasn't gotten back to me but he had a prior membership 01:04:42.240 --> 01:04:48.720 list of people in a neighborhood group whenever that was something that was happening during their 01:04:48.720 --> 01:04:56.160 last what year was that whatever i think what's that 2012 i think that sounds right yeah that 01:04:56.160 --> 01:05:00.800 whenever that process had happened before that he had a list of people that were involved at that 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:08.320 time and so he said he would try to dig out that list and and share that because uh obviously it's 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:13.440 going to need to be updated and provide but it's a start so that's kind of where we're at is getting 01:05:14.160 --> 01:05:19.920 the names of the people who uh own the properties because that's what we need for the yes right um 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:25.280 but so fun to have people that are in the properties they did blue and several others like that they're 01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:33.360 all interested and enthusiastic about it so let's go you did have stuff to report just a little 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:38.400 all right thank you guys we appreciate your work on that 01:05:39.520 --> 01:05:46.800 next item for b number hlc 26 - euro 10 to receive a report hold the discussion and give 01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:51.120 staff direction on the historic landmark commission's request for local historic 01:05:51.120 --> 01:05:56.240 designation of eligible historic properties does anyone have an additional one to add 01:05:56.240 --> 01:06:01.280 i think all these properties are properly enough 01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:08.240 swimming in them right yes okay there's none there 01:06:09.680 --> 01:06:17.680 okay and number 4b hlc 26 - euro 11 on our agendas to hold a discussion regarding 01:06:17.680 --> 01:06:25.120 historic landmark commission project matrix yes so regarding the former entry wall at park place 01:06:25.120 --> 01:06:30.000 we had mentioned talking about bringing that back in may so that we could get through some other 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:36.640 items first and so that will be coming back may 11th obviously we talked about the den revealed 01:06:37.200 --> 01:06:47.280 event um today and then in terms of the possible historic designation of the corridors the faq 01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:52.400 i'm so sorry y'all that just keeps getting thrown on my back burner and then i've been out the last 01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:58.880 two weeks so did not get that down between february and now um so and then obviously 01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:03.680 incentivizing historic preservation which we will keep as ongoing until our budget it is a better 01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:09.440 place but is there anything that you all would like to add to the matrix or do you think you're 01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:16.160 you're good for now can you make one comment on park place um i have been in contact with uh 01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:22.640 joyce who's less than a blocking on the granddaughter of uh kina's thank you um she 01:07:22.640 --> 01:07:28.480 is absolutely delightful um i cannot tell you how tickled she was that we had stuff to add that she 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:34.000 didn't know um she's like yeah yeah every christmas i send out a yo card to all my relatives like a fun 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:38.880 fact about uh you know uh you know clinton dewitt they didn't know and i've got so much stuff now 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:44.960 thank you um but i have just kind of started the like the oral history component with her and uh 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.600 you know i have nothing exciting to report on that 01:07:47.600 --> 01:07:57.920 i was gonna i was just thinking about the uh faq and the processes documents stuff and no pressure 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:05.520 but some of that might be cool for us to hand out right yes yes yes that's in the back of my mind 01:08:05.520 --> 01:08:13.040 because i'm like i i need to get it done for you all for may so don't worry um definitely moving 01:08:13.040 --> 01:08:20.960 up in the priority i think we're good okay i didn't say anything else to your plate right now 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.040 all right any further discussion tonight 01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:38.080 we drew all right we're dirt six thirty eight we uh