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 good afternoon at 5 o' 4 p.m. this Wednesday February 11th I will call the

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 work session of the Denton planning and zoning Commission to order with a quorum

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 present our first item is citizen comments on consent consent agenda items

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 I don't see anyone it moves us to clarification of agenda items for this

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 evening are there any questions on the consent agenda from anyone

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 yes Commissioner McDuff and this may go when we actually vote but I am asking

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 about the traffic study related to the agenda item regarding the plan for the

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 HEB okay so sorry this is the item C and I'm to see this Cameron here consent

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 agenda see yeah that far 25 19 yes so can you explain kind of when the traffic

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 study comes in versus the plot and what that process is so this is a final

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 reply that was already done as a final plot back in prior to 2020 so I'm gonna

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 have to dig a little bit more into that traffic study to answer your question I

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 guess what is your specific question regarding the traffic study so that I

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 can make sure that I have an answer for you we talked about it before we talked

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 about traffic patterns one of my concerns was traffic patterns around

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 that North Lake area in the park they're horrific now when I try to go get my

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 Starbucks or my Panera I could hardly turn in that parking lot so I just ask

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 if wanted we had if there were any has the study been done and I'd like to know

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 the results okay I can do some additional research and I can give you

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 that answer just concerns about traffic okay happy you would you like to pull

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 that item just for a presentation maybe at the meeting I wouldn't have a

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 presentation ready I could answer the question but I wouldn't have a full

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 presentation understood I'm just trying to think when when would be a good time

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 to get that answer so that it's on the record for the public and everything I

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 suppose I yeah we can just ask for questions on the consent agenda in the

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 meeting sure or I I think if you are wanting to just have the answer on the

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 record then pulling it perhaps from consent and then Cameron can pull up the

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 slide with the plot on it and provide that answer I think that would probably

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 be the most appropriate time if you're wanting to get it on record during the

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 regular meeting that would satisfy the requests I'm open to advisement Eric

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 okay yeah let's do that I think that way I won't forget about it okay thank you

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 any other questions on the consent agenda okay not seeing any brings us to

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 our items for individual consideration we have first there is the elected chair

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 and vice-chair we're certainly we'll take a motion and a vote this is

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 something I think that happens yearly now that the secretary made that

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 determination so as I try to bang you with a water bottle you're correct it's

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 just the annual election of the chair and vice-chair okay then ZCP 25 - 38

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 Mia

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 evening chair members of the Commission this is a zoning compliance plan for an

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 indoor outdoor recreation facility in a public restroom essentially the

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 recreation facility is a fitness center the property is approximately 3.9 acres

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 and it's located between Heritage Park and East Park Boulevard about 400 feet

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 south of us 380 within the razor ranch area given this bill a couple of times

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 for this body by now but the zoning compliance plans for the razor ranch

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 area require approval by the plenty and zoning Commission that's why this is

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 before you this evening with that they are meeting all of our criteria for

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 approval as established by the razor ranch ordinances in the DDC and we are

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 recommending approval of this plat at this time I have a fuller presentation

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 for the regular session but I'm happy to help answer any questions that you all

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 may have right now any Commissioner McDuff

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 my point on this miss Heinz is in a question who is responsible for the

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 upkeep of the outdoor park that's one and then will you add that who is

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 responsible for the upkeep of the public restrooms attached to that yes so that

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 is a public park that is the maintenance and ownership of the city of didn't

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 parks team and that restroom will be constructed by the developer the

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 maintenance and the dedication ownership of it will be transferred to the Parks

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 Department for the city of Den as well okay thank you not seeing any more

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 questions thank you that brings us to PP 25 - 5d good evening chair and

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 commission PP 25 - 5d is a preliminary plat for a residential development down

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 on Bonnie Bray they are not yet fully in compliance they had to solve a issue

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 with a gas well plot so we need to give them a little more time to do that so

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 staff is recommending denial but has no opposition to the requested extension as

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 we believe it gives some time to finish up those last few things this is the

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 fourth extension yes it turns out tracking down who's operating a gas well

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 plat years later is not the fastest process in the world yeah it doesn't

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 surprise me any questions on this okay thanks John brings us to 4d FP 26 - 1

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 good evening plan zoning Commission here present a final plat for a approximately

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 120 acre track located in the city of Denton's ETJ on the north side of

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 cancer Road this plat at the time doesn't meet our criteria for approval

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 however we have no objection to an extension granted to a date certain of

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 February 25th 2026 and here to answer any questions questions I just want to

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 confirm in case public or reading the agenda and confused the the DNT

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 interchange that's a business name or a project name it has nothing to do with

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 Dallas North Tollway is that correct correct okay I don't see any questions

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 thanks Matt brings us to our public hearings 5a is z 25 - 25 that is

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 requested to be postponed to our next meeting later in February so we will

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 skip over that so we just have one public hearing today 5b s 25 - 14 good

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 evening chair members of the Commission Bryce Van Arsdale assistant planner

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 this is a request for a specific use permit related to outdoor storage

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 located about 1150 feet west of interstate 35 west and it's about 287

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 feet north of Metro Street the purpose is to separate an existing outdoor

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 storage accessory use from the primary use which is a concrete batch plant this

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 request is consistent with the industrial commerce future land use

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 designation and as well as the goals and policies set forth the comprehensive

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 plan I'll stand for any questions but I do have a larger presentation during the

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 public hearing questions Commissioner Macduff yes just a comment this is the

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 kind of request I like to see it does not involve the degradation of a green

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 space and there's no data center on here so just I think it's a good use of a

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 parking lot any other questions I'm not seeing any thanks price okay that

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 brings us to our we have two work session reports today item 3a is pz 26

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 - 22 receive report hold a discussion regarding implementation of the 2040

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 comprehensive plan good evening Julie Wyatt

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 all right Julie Wyatt principal planner and I am giving you your annual ish

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 update to the comprehensive plan this is something that we like to do mostly on

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 an annual basis to talk about how the comprehensive plan has been implemented

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 so we'll get started as a reminder I know we've talked about this before but

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 the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan gives us a roadmap for how the city can

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 achieve the vision that the community has established that roadmap is embedded

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 in all of the elements of the plan and and includes the goals the policies

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 which define those goals and then ultimately the actions which are those

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 specific steps to help us achieve the policies the goals and then that vision

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 the highlighted items on your screen and yellow those are the the numbers that

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 that accompany each goal or I'm sorry each action and those are just in the

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 plan so when you see a three number designation that just means it's an

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 action oh and just the comprehensive plan has 546 actions in it which is a

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 lot 19 of those were actually accomplished before the adoption of the

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 comprehensive plan so really it's 527 12 and 527 but overall it's 546 okay so

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 there are 10 elements to the comprehensive plan element 10 chapter 10

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 is the action plan and this provides us a suggested framework to measure the

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 progress but the the text says it's not set in stone it really is just kind of

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 that suggested framework it synthesizes all of those actions into 253 key

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 actions so it combines a lot of the actions into two summaries of those

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 actions it also sets time frames for those so like like other area plans or

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 comprehensive plans you have your short your medium your long and then your

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 ongoing actions and these key actions have been instrumental in our previous

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 reporting it's it's how we have measured our progress on our comprehensive plan

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 but there have been some reporting changes that the city of Denton has

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 instituted and so we're kind of retooling all of it and and starting anew

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 with our reporting the city has adopted a a technological solution to to monitor

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 a variety of plans and strategic initiatives within the city so this

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 isn't just related to the comprehensive plan it's it's really related to all of

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 those actions and plans that the city has undertaken the purpose of this is

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 to really find kind of a turnkey solution for transparency and so we can

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 really check our progress and it links all of these items so that when you know

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 some of the plans are you know have similar goals or or actions or strategies

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 and it will allow if you're making progress on one plan it would

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 automatically kind of update the other plans so we can see how the progress

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 cumulate accumulates it also establishes reporting deadlines and

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 guidelines kind of creates a more rigorous framework for the different

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 departments to provide those updates for the comprehensive plan these updates are

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 assigned and then the members of the departments would would provide a blurb

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 and and and let us know how far along they've gotten on that action so as we

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 were putting the comprehensive plan into this this tool and it's called the

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 back-end software is called Invisio so if I say Invisio it's really the same

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 thing as we were looking to put all of these key actions in Invisio we found

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 that the summarizing and the synthesizing of those actions were just

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 too broad to really measure in the way that this framework measures so instead

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 we broke all of them apart back to their component parts and have put all of the

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 546 527 actions into Invisio so that we can monitor them independently and

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 separately so it's been a really big project we've had some we've had some

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 you know making sure that we are organizing it correctly we we did we

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 did a variety of ways and ultimately this this was the the most straightforward

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 way to present the information as part of this project we also had what we

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 called the road show last year and that was talking to the different departments

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 about the comprehensive plan reminding them of how the comprehensive plan works

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 how they can use those goals policies and actions in order to achieve their

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 department strategic initiatives or their policy provide support for their

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 policy direction so it just kind of went through and talked with the different

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 departments also just you know ask them you know how are the priorities well you

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 know I do you have any additional information from us do you have any

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 questions so trying to understand the concerns and how it all fits together so

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 we've got a summary and this is once again it's not it's kind of apples to

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 oranges to previous reporting I'm looking at Commissioner Pruitt because I

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 know he's heard a few of these so when we broke apart the key actions into

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 their individual actions we ended up with 228 short mid and long-term actions

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 318 ongoing and when you think of ongoing think of things just work you

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 know the things that the city does or that staff does on a day-to-day basis in

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 terms of the initiatives as well as maybe policy decisions that we come to

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 the Planning and Zoning Commission or City Council for that really help us

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 implement the comprehensive plan but they don't have a distinctive start

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 middle and stop day overall when we look at all of the reporting and all of the

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 information that the various departments have provided we've determined that

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 staff has made progress on or have worked on 389 individual actions and

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 that includes the ongoing so it is the combined ongoing with the short middle

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 and long-term actions and that's about 73% of the plan so it's a pretty good

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 percentage that we're we're looking at the comprehensive plan on a on a

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 day-to-day basis to make sure it's our guiding document I do want to give a

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 caveat in your in your backup material the reports that were provided to you

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 you may have noticed that they were organized by element which is the

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 chapter and then by policy and action so it kind of gives you that almost the

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 the outline of the comprehensive plan it also includes some boxes of overall

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 summary those were they're not as effective and communicating information

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 right now I believe that those summaries will be really impactful as we build

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 upon these reports through this system so I would not take those to the bank

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 instead I would pay more attention to that information that the various

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 departments have provided within that backup material so the overall summaries

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 while at some point will be built really beneficial just today don't really give

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 us a lot of information so instead of just talking about lists today we

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 thought it would be best to go ahead and just provide some highlights based upon

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 the different chapters or elements so here we go element two is our land use

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 it's it's a chapter that the planning department spends a lot of time in and I

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 want to talk about four actions that we have worked on in the last year first

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 streamline the approval process if you aren't aware about five or six years ago

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 the development services department created a project facilitation team and

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 that that is a team that helps developers get from idea all the way to

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 construction so they really do shepherd the project through the process helping

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 coordinate a developer or property owner with the various city departments they

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 have done an amazing job streamlining the process and helping people get

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 through helping understand and making sure we're we're getting all of the

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 the relevant information to the developers and in fact last year they

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 touched over 355 projects and that's three people so they are extremely busy

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 getting comments out to people answering questions and in meetings they're always

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 looking for process improvements and last year they instituted a new and

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 improved review process where instead of giving lists of comments that we used to

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 do we used to just write out our comments now we're providing up markups

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 to developers it just gives that visual representation of what we need them to

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 do in order to fix the plat or the site plan what have you action two point nine

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 point three is those those regulatory impediments to infill you saw something

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 about that last year and that's that missing middle with ADUs in townhomes so

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 we worked on that action last year area plans for centers and corridors some of

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 you may remember the East University Drive study that's where staff looked at

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 the existing land uses the mobility the economic development goals and also

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 talked with the surrounding property owners to make sure we had the

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 comprehensive future land use map correct it actually resulted in in an

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 update to the comprehensive plan and then finally I want to talk about

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 promoting the stability and quality of commercial areas and addressing

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 obsolescence as part of working on the implementation of this action staff has

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 created an inventory of underutilized and abandoned big-box bases within the

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 city this has developed a key list of these commercial sites and all of them

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 are were constructed or renovated prior to 1996 and they would be perfect infill

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 opportunities so we are continuing to evaluate those sites as well as our

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 urban design goals our economic development goals to make sure that our

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 development standards are consistent with those goals in terms of that type

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 of development element three fiscal and economic vitality multimodal requirements

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 for new development and active transportation our transportation group

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 has started working on a transit 2.0 study to get money to do that study

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 applying for a grant to look at things like land use city policies and

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 demographic changes that will help inform updates to our active

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 transportation component of our mobility plan which they have applied for a grant

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 for so they've been working on setting the stage for that going forward our

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 mark our mark home marketing communications department has also been

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 hard at work on the city branding there was in the comprehensive plan a an

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 action to update our city branding as well as our sub branding for our

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 different departments they've been working on that talking with

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 stakeholders community members city leadership while this project is on hold

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 pending further direction from the budget direction from the budget

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 process and they are doing work behind the scenes so when it's ready to go

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 they'll they'll get going on that community character calls for art and

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 music venues in vacant or underutilized spaces in downtown our economic

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 development department continues to monitor and study those vacancies in

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 downtown as well as putting together finding those businesses and those

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 spaces that fit together and trying to put those two two entities together to

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 to create a winning situation for all and then create guidelines for

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 residential areas to establish unity and distinctive architecture you're all

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 familiar with a southeast end area plan and the residential overlay that's been

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 in progress for the last year with public input and drafting and talking

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 with with the planning and zoning Commission and that's consistent with

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 that action plan or that action item and then finally updating historic

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 resources survey if you aren't aware a historic resource survey was completed on

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 the Southridge neighborhood in the city of Denton and it included in community

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 meetings and included pop-ups at National Night Out the the survey team

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 went out and looked at every single property within the survey area took

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 pictures looked at the architectural styles did research on Southridge the

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 people who live there it's a really interesting survey and document if you

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 are interested you can look at the link and that will take you to the survey and

00:24:17.600 --> 00:24:25.040
 you can read it element five parks conservation environment action five

00:24:25.040 --> 00:24:28.640
 point nine point nine talks about minimizing erosion clear cutting and

00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:34.920
 sedimentation the DDC has erosion and sediment controls actually above what

00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:40.000
 TCEQ requires however they have been working in the last year on updating the

00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:43.840
 criteria manual to make sure that they are clarifying those interim grading

00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:50.240
 plans and also to in order to reduce that sedimentation also in element five

00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:55.280
 there's an action to coordinate the development of greenways and trails and

00:24:55.280 --> 00:24:59.920
 floodplains some of you might be aware of the concrete trail that our parks

00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:05.480
 department has been working on it now is funded and they are they've been working

00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:12.120
 to get together a to go to council with a contract to start that full design of

00:25:12.120 --> 00:25:18.360
 that project and that is that concrete trail will go all the way from east of

00:25:18.360 --> 00:25:22.640
 Woodrow and then almost toward downtown through southeast Denton through the

00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.980
 floodplain so it's going to be a really great project and I know that they're

00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:30.760
 looking forward to getting that underway and then this element also talks about

00:25:30.760 --> 00:25:34.440
 new park facilities coordinated with other community facilities this is one

00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:39.680
 of my favorite projects so the Parks Department has worked with Denton ISD to

00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:44.320
 make sure everybody gets what they need at the Borman Elementary and and Denia

00:25:44.320 --> 00:25:50.360
 Park area so Borman Elementary Denton ISD wanted to rebuild it what they did is

00:25:50.360 --> 00:25:54.920
 they worked with parks to do a land swap so that the new Borman Elementary is

00:25:54.920 --> 00:26:00.640
 being constructed on the south side of the Denia Park once that's completed then

00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.760
 the old Borman Elementary will be torn down and that will be turned into a

00:26:04.760 --> 00:26:11.040
 soccer field so it really does you know coordinate these two uses make sure we

00:26:11.040 --> 00:26:15.000
 have additional connectivity and it's it's really a great project you should

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:21.160
 go take a look at it element six is mobility our transportation department

00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.960
 is very busy and one project that they've been working on is vision zero if

00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:32.120
 you're not familiar with vision zero it is a it is a plan to eliminate fatalities

00:26:32.120 --> 00:26:36.040
 and serious injuries in our transportation network they've done a

00:26:36.040 --> 00:26:41.120
 lot of work on the on the ground floor and the data on this in the last year

00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:47.840
 looking at the crash rate ratio as well as those final high injury network roads

00:26:47.840 --> 00:26:53.360
 so looking at where those those high injury roads are within the city then

00:26:53.360 --> 00:26:58.000
 they they researched the roadway safety countermeasures things that could be done

00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:02.200
 to those roads in order to increase safety gone to the community both in

00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.160
 public meetings as well as online to find out what they what they liked or

00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.840
 didn't like about the those countermeasures they've also been working

00:27:09.840 --> 00:27:14.520
 with their task force I believe they had four meetings last year three or four

00:27:14.520 --> 00:27:18.800
 meetings so they've done a lot of work they still have to complete the plan but

00:27:18.800 --> 00:27:24.200
 they are working toward completion oh and if you are interested when you get

00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.360
 the slides there is a link to their discuss denton page you could take a

00:27:27.360 --> 00:27:32.160
 look at it element seven housing and neighborhoods one facet of that is to

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:37.980
 integrate public art into the planning and design of city facilities these two

00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:43.280
 projects have been great in southeast denton I have first the MLK community

00:27:43.280 --> 00:27:50.480
 mural project through grant funding the MLK junior recreation center has been

00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:55.960
 working with the community to design two murals for the exterior of that

00:27:55.960 --> 00:28:00.880
 building they've asked the community like what are your art styles do you like

00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.360
 what what kinds of things do you want to see in those murals so they have been

00:28:04.360 --> 00:28:08.200
 working through that public engagement once that's completed they'll then go

00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:13.160
 forward and start working on actually installing that mural another art

00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:17.200
 project is was something with the American Legion Hall senior center and

00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:24.720
 they coordinated with the art room and and with a community art project and if

00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:29.400
 you haven't gone to see that you should it includes three pieces a quilt that

00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:34.280
 was that was sewn by the community there was there's a painting and that there's

00:28:34.280 --> 00:28:39.760
 also a bench in order to beautify and elevate the underrepresented voices of

00:28:39.760 --> 00:28:44.120
 seniors veterans in the black community that was the purpose of it so it's a

00:28:44.120 --> 00:28:49.160
 great project you should go take a look at it element eight is community health

00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:55.480
 safety and services our environmental services department launched in July of

00:28:55.480 --> 00:29:02.380
 last year their air quality dashboard and this allows community members to

00:29:02.380 --> 00:29:10.080
 refer to this website to look at the the weekly average data for each sensor and

00:29:10.080 --> 00:29:14.040
 pollutant so there are sensors throughout the city and they measure

00:29:14.040 --> 00:29:18.160
 different things things like ozone or wind speed or other pollutants and

00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.680
 provide that information to the community also provide some links to

00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.700
 information so if you aren't aware of what that pollutant is or maybe the

00:29:27.700 --> 00:29:31.760
 potential impacts you can go ahead and do some research I have a link to that

00:29:31.760 --> 00:29:38.320
 website on on your slides and then finally element nine I did not put all

00:29:38.320 --> 00:29:43.360
 of the action items in because there's the criteria manual really kind of takes

00:29:43.360 --> 00:29:47.840
 care of a lot of those so the criteria manual if you're not aware is a

00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:52.280
 companion to the Denton Development Code it outlines engineering standards and

00:29:52.280 --> 00:29:56.320
 guidelines for development and construction in the city of Denton in

00:29:56.320 --> 00:30:01.120
 years past we had a separate criteria manual for for transportation water

00:30:01.120 --> 00:30:07.080
 wastewater drainage what they did in 2024 is combine all of those into one

00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:13.880
 really well organized document they they published this document in July of 2024

00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:19.800
 but it's it's their goal to stay on top of the updates for it so last year our

00:30:19.800 --> 00:30:24.360
 engineering folks went through the criteria manual looked at things that

00:30:24.360 --> 00:30:28.480
 needed to be updated or clarified and have gone through that process as well

00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:33.960
 as the public engagement it was adopted in January of this year I believe and it

00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:41.720
 will be it will be effective in March so we've gone all over the elements but the

00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:46.760
 work continues generally you can expect that all the departments will provide

00:30:46.760 --> 00:30:51.000
 updates on these comprehensive plan elements on a yearly basis there may be

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:56.060
 some there at a little quarterly or more than yearly depending on maybe it's a

00:30:56.060 --> 00:31:00.800
 department initiative but generally assume yearly staff is going to

00:31:00.800 --> 00:31:06.120
 continue to improve this this information within this in Visio

00:31:06.120 --> 00:31:10.520
 dashboard making sure our information delivery our reporting and

00:31:10.520 --> 00:31:17.480
 classification of action items are are are clear and transparent and provide

00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:22.080
 that information to the community and then just one other thing you might want

00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:26.720
 to look at there are also dashboards for the southeast in the area plan and the

00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.760
 design downtown didn't plan so you can also check on those as well there's a

00:31:30.760 --> 00:31:36.620
 variety of them I have a link to that dashboard on the on the slide so you can

00:31:36.620 --> 00:31:42.920
 look at it there and then finally I'm not sure if everybody saw the video from

00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:48.400
 City Council a few meetings ago that kind of celebrated all of the things

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.160
 that the city did in the last year we're not going to watch it it's eight minutes

00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.780
 long but you are welcome to go look at it it's really neat and I I recommend as

00:31:56.780 --> 00:32:05.880
 you look at it and with that I will be happy to answer any questions questions

00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:12.560
 Commissioner Dyer well I do kind of have questions but first I just want to say

00:32:12.560 --> 00:32:19.920
 you guys do a lot like this is a lot so kudos to the entire city staff because

00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:25.200
 obviously there are a lot of moving parts to what happens here that I think

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:35.680
 you know like your layperson has no idea but looking at all of this and I know

00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:40.400
 that this gets revised so you know right now we're in the 2040 plan at some point

00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:44.520
 is it the 2050 plan is that like the next plan that goes I'm gonna look at

00:32:44.520 --> 00:32:51.320
 Haley for that question what and like when does that happen so general rule of

00:32:51.320 --> 00:32:55.480
 thumb is like every five to seven years we try to start working on the next

00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:00.920
 update to it not sure if we'll go with like a 45 or a 50 most likely 10-year

00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.960
 horizon so probably a 2050 plan would be the next step but we we have started

00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.840
 applying for grant funding in conjunction with our transportation team

00:33:08.840 --> 00:33:12.880
 that Julie referenced they're really great at finding grants for all of these

00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.400
 sorts of things so we're working on getting money to do that mobility plan

00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.040
 and comprehensive plant update concurrently hopefully we're starting

00:33:19.040 --> 00:33:25.840
 that the next year or two okay so so this is basically four years old and in

00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:31.640
 looking at like what we got in our agenda packet it says here that since

00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:36.120
 the adoption that the city has made progress on 69 specific actions

00:33:36.120 --> 00:33:40.240
 approximately 30% of the plan is that correct because then I saw some other

00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.000
 numbers that were higher than that well and that is the caution on those

00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.720
 summaries so when I wrote the staff report I was really looking at those

00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.960
 summaries after I after we went through that I kind of went back and looked

00:33:52.960 --> 00:34:01.160
 through individually each item and so it's the translation from the key action

00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:09.000
 items to this reporting system has been challenging and so I I hesitate to say

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.340
 specifically all of these items have been done is that because of the

00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:18.320
 program that you guys use that like there's some flaws in it no and it

00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:22.280
 actually it's been really interesting I'm doing this so you're right our

00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.960
 comprehensive plan was adopted four years ago and that was actually really

00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:31.440
 just an update to our 2015 plan it was Tina used to say it was a light touch on

00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:38.880
 that and so the the plan wasn't really set up for this kind of specificity and

00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:43.400
 reporting we've we've learned a lot of lessons and I assume that the update

00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:49.440
 will have will will kind of be drafted in a way where we really are looking at

00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:54.920
 a way how we're going to really measure these actions so I don't remember your

00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:00.000
 question well I'm just I'm just kind of looking at all of this information and

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:07.320
 you know we got two different documents we got the ongoing action report and

00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:13.840
 then we also got the ongoing or the action progress report and it looked

00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.840
 like almost the same thing but one was like 80 some pages and one was like a

00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.760
 hundred and forty four pages and so it was very overwhelming you know to look

00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.800
 at all that and then I was looking at thirty percent of the plan and yes and I

00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:30.080
 remember you saying like you know because this is going to get reviewed in

00:35:30.080 --> 00:35:36.800
 like the next one to four years for possibly 2050 so like do you ever hit

00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:43.640
 the goal like 30 percent 40 percent like what is the goal to hit the goal you

00:35:43.640 --> 00:35:47.120
 know do you hope that all these items would have happened by 2040 but then

00:35:47.120 --> 00:35:52.920
 we're really gonna now be talking about 2050 like that is a really great

00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:58.640
 question I'm sorry it's a lot but it's just my brain I'm just like and I'm a

00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:03.120
 pay I'm a personally I like paper I like tangible I like to be able to look

00:36:03.120 --> 00:36:10.720
 through things so it's very hard for my how I process information to just yeah

00:36:10.720 --> 00:36:14.800
 to just look at like I would love to have some of these things that we talk

00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.240
 about refer to I'd love to have a big old binder with those things you know

00:36:18.240 --> 00:36:22.320
 like the four or five inch binder so I can be looking at all of that stuff and

00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:26.880
 you know when we're getting ready for these meetings because going on to the

00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:31.320
 lengths like for me it just doesn't do it for me and and I know it's I'm sure

00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.260
 it's a cost-effective saving because that's just so much paper and we're

00:36:36.260 --> 00:36:41.320
 trying to save the trees and all of that but the trees help me when I'm trying to

00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:45.160
 figure this stuff out so that's what I'm just trying to figure is like when we're

00:36:45.160 --> 00:36:51.880
 looking at all these goals and this was like 2015 plan and you know all of this

00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:56.240
 got added on to it so now we're like really 2040 and in a couple years we're

00:36:56.240 --> 00:37:00.480
 gonna be talking about 2050 so how do you know when you've really achieved it

00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:05.800
 um and you know because of the updates I'm not sure you ever achieve it but you

00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:10.160
 really you want to make sure that you are working toward that goal and

00:37:10.160 --> 00:37:18.600
 especially those items and I would your your backup had two two exhibits one was

00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:24.400
 the short mid and long-term actions and then the the second one was the ongoing

00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:28.960
 and I would kind of separate those two in your mind and that the ongoing really

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:34.720
 is though it includes those day-to-day things that staff does to in order to

00:37:34.720 --> 00:37:40.600
 achieve what the community's vision has been established the short and mid and

00:37:40.600 --> 00:37:48.520
 long-term items action items you know they they um we we work every day to

00:37:48.520 --> 00:37:52.320
 achieve them but in one of them that I think of there's one of them that says

00:37:52.320 --> 00:38:00.080
 create area plans for mixed use and corridor districts that that is just an

00:38:00.080 --> 00:38:06.560
 on it is it is an action but it also is something we're gonna continually do

00:38:06.560 --> 00:38:10.760
 find different corridors different areas that we feel like need area planning and

00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:16.240
 so that is one of those where it's an action but it just may never get done

00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:20.920
 because there's always a new place or an our new update something to look at does

00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.520
 that make sense yes and I guess as somebody who you know sits on on this

00:38:25.520 --> 00:38:31.960
 board and we don't have the day-to-day workings or the understandings or the

00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.800
 expertise you know we do rely on city staff because this is you guys have that

00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.680
 but when you talked about like in all the different departments you have to

00:38:42.680 --> 00:38:47.960
 routinely go and remind them hey I'm assuming it's like hey this is exists

00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.800
 these are the things you should be working on this is what this is where

00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:57.600
 we're at in the progress road to all of this do we have too many goals is it

00:38:57.600 --> 00:39:03.480
 better to more have your goals more concise so that way ever you know when

00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.880
 you have this and it can be so overwhelming and people are having a

00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:12.120
 hard time keeping track of it all is it better when we get ready to do the 2050

00:39:12.120 --> 00:39:21.240
 plan to really hone in and do shorter sweeter items that can be more

00:39:21.240 --> 00:39:26.800
 achievable and everybody is working together like broad is not always

00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:34.760
 better I and Haley can tell me if I'm wrong it some of it is aspirational and

00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:38.880
 so we want to always be trying to achieve these goals that the community

00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.920
 has set we may we may not always get exactly to that point but we always want

00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:49.880
 to continue to strive toward meeting those goals in terms of the overwhelming

00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:54.300
 nature and the other departments yes there are a lot but remember the

00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:59.320
 comprehensive plan it also includes a variety of other plans like the parks a

00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:03.360
 master plan and the mobility plan and so all of these different plans inform each

00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:08.120
 other and so while they may be separate plans a lot of their goals and actions

00:40:08.120 --> 00:40:13.820
 are coordinated in and similar so while we do want to talk to the different

00:40:13.820 --> 00:40:18.320
 departments about hey the comp plan they often have their own plans that are very

00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:23.600
 similar to those goals and actions in the comprehensive plan so and I know

00:40:23.600 --> 00:40:30.480
 we'll bring Charlie up if he wants to answer yeah Julie made the point that I

00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.560
 was gonna make to is that each of these departments have a lot of like climate

00:40:34.560 --> 00:40:39.600
 action plan or the mobility plan has its own goals and stuff that tie back into

00:40:39.600 --> 00:40:45.640
 this but I do think the goal structure is we have a lot of goals and they're

00:40:45.640 --> 00:40:50.120
 they're not all achievable and they also don't have any costs associated with

00:40:50.120 --> 00:40:55.720
 them as well so I think as we're looking towards a future update that we we need

00:40:55.720 --> 00:41:00.080
 to be more realistic with what's achievable to get done what's feasible

00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:05.240
 cost-wise to complete because the area plans is right but that also is a few

00:41:05.240 --> 00:41:08.600
 hundred thousand dollar commitment that we had to do to complete those area

00:41:08.600 --> 00:41:13.940
 plans and though those also have goals associated with them that should you

00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:19.240
 know everybody should be working towards achieving and so just just to put some

00:41:19.240 --> 00:41:24.800
 context behind it when we look at going into this future update is to look at

00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.600
 what all goals we have in other master plans when those master plans were

00:41:28.600 --> 00:41:34.480
 updated and try to make this a really comprehensive look at what we can do as

00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.520
 a city moving forward in this next comprehensive plan well I would just

00:41:38.520 --> 00:41:44.560
 like to encourage when we get ready to do this that again that you really take

00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:48.320
 a deep dive that there's not a lot of redundancy especially if some of these

00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.960
 other departments have their own comprehensive plan I mean unless

00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:56.080
 there's a couple things that you know the committee that oversees all of this

00:41:56.080 --> 00:42:05.800
 feels like it's not being met but your community and I am predicting guessing I

00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:13.480
 would assume that your community would much rather see less plans or less goals

00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.040
 that you guys achieve than all these things you know you got a hundred

00:42:17.040 --> 00:42:22.640
 things but maybe only achieved you know fifty of them where if you instead of

00:42:22.640 --> 00:42:27.200
 having a hundred maybe you achieved seventy and then your time and effort

00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:31.580
 maybe you could achieve more of the seventy of them because more time energy

00:42:31.580 --> 00:42:40.840
 money is putting is put forth on a smaller amount that's more doable yeah

00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:46.280
 and I'll say that that's an effort that we're gonna all have to have that

00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:52.200
 conversation with community because there there are we're gonna have to pick

00:42:52.200 --> 00:42:56.040
 one thing over the other and so we'll have to go through the effort of

00:42:56.040 --> 00:43:00.200
 prioritizing some of these things and not everybody's things gonna get on the

00:43:00.200 --> 00:43:07.320
 list you know there's 546 it's a lot of a lot of goals there and so there will be

00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.080
 some things that we won't just we won't be able to do in that time frame well I

00:43:11.080 --> 00:43:16.200
 think it's the Rolling Stones that said you can't always get what you want

00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:23.240
 Commissioner Riggs yeah so I just kind of wanted to comment on on your comments

00:43:23.240 --> 00:43:28.240
 and whatever I go and think about about this this is a long-range master plan

00:43:28.240 --> 00:43:33.400
 and so you want to always be planning for the long-range future but yeah I

00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.560
 think of it like the state water plan is every five years they go and update

00:43:37.560 --> 00:43:42.160
 their 50-year plan because everything changes and so you need to have your

00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:45.920
 long-range goals and then you need to have your short-range action items but

00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.840
 you know the way development comes in communities opinions of things all those

00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.720
 things change and so you kind of want to make make progress for that long-range

00:43:54.720 --> 00:43:59.160
 goal but also know that sometimes that's a moving target right and so you've got

00:43:59.160 --> 00:44:03.200
 to be able to adjust it and so that is a lot of goals I will definitely admit

00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:06.600
 that but I think one of things when we're thinking about it is you know that

00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:11.760
 some of those are way out in the future and if and if the citizenry opinion

00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.840
 never changes then you will eventually get there but we also know that that

00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:22.340
 changes so that is kind of a moving target to Commissioner McDuff yes

00:44:22.340 --> 00:44:28.360
 chair prove it say out loud to me again what we've talked about in the last

00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:34.040
 couple the last couple months of last year we talked about continuing doing

00:44:34.040 --> 00:44:40.080
 revisions and making amendments to the comprehensive plan land use and then

00:44:40.080 --> 00:44:48.320
 rezoning am I correctly linking those together and the need to look at this as

00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:53.280
 a public and revise instead of continually doing and changing and doing

00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:58.720
 amendments to this you we had several proposals with our large developments

00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:05.880
 that we voted that we had lengthy discussion on sure so just to make sure

00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:09.280
 I'm we're tracking with you are you referring to the applications where

00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.600
 there's a simultaneous application for a comprehensive plan amendment and the

00:45:13.600 --> 00:45:19.000
 zoning amendment yes and land use change correct so were those the three that we

00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.160
 were concerned about there were three proposals coming at once I think in the

00:45:24.160 --> 00:45:30.440
 cases we've seen over the last year it's it's been a mobility plan change along

00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:36.680
 with the comp plan land use there's the compute comp plan future land use map

00:45:36.680 --> 00:45:42.320
 there's the comp plan mobility plan map even though we also have a separate

00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:48.360
 mobility plan and then there's the the zoning change right yeah okay all right

00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:53.840
 well I'm I'm still concerned about that I had a lot of time to think well we were

00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:59.080
 in the ice and you know I missed a meeting so I'm still curious about all

00:45:59.080 --> 00:46:07.120
 that but I will say I see your point in that instead of continually revising

00:46:07.120 --> 00:46:11.800
 things to have a comprehensive a comprehensive review of the

00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:23.360
 comprehensive plan an update so for the citizens to to have a serious input I

00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:31.840
 have a couple sorry first of all that I think this will be an easy one can you

00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:37.280
 explain what the difference in the the status markings are of pending and

00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:45.680
 upcoming on in the in the in the pending is is has been determined it would be a

00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:55.520
 a a a mid-range goal and so it hasn't yet gone into the reporting system it's

00:46:55.520 --> 00:47:00.560
 it's in there but it won't be acted on or they won't be reported on until next

00:47:00.560 --> 00:47:07.920
 year okay we we base the system on those short mid long time frames so that

00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.760
 really well while in looking through those reports you can see that city staff

00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:18.880
 has worked on a lot of those mid-range projects they they really aren't being

00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:24.780
 necessarily tracked or reported on until next year which would be when that that

00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:30.920
 would start okay no that that helps so so therefore upcoming suggests that we

00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:37.360
 actually have hopes to be able to start on it within this this or next fiscal

00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:44.160
 year essentially well and that in using that comprehensive plan and that action

00:47:44.160 --> 00:47:50.240
 plan as that guide is really how we we structured this once again remember

00:47:50.240 --> 00:47:55.140
 element 10 it was really a recommendation for a framework we did

00:47:55.140 --> 00:48:00.600
 use those time frames when we when we broke apart those actions we really

00:48:00.600 --> 00:48:04.080
 applied those time frames that the action plan had already assigned to

00:48:04.080 --> 00:48:12.180
 those actions but but there may be some tweaking that needs to be done okay no

00:48:12.180 --> 00:48:18.440
 I appreciate that I really appreciate all the questions and comments to you

00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:23.320
 know talk about priorities when Charlie is talking about how many actions do we

00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:31.080
 have I I honestly think that the biggest need that we're gonna have as we look

00:48:31.080 --> 00:48:37.520
 forward to the next big update is to cull things down and have clear

00:48:37.520 --> 00:48:44.320
 priorities because I think that the the overabundance of things that we could

00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:55.840
 point to has caused a lack of focus on what the clear top priorities are I also

00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:01.200
 think that and and you can feel free to try to convince me otherwise as we get

00:49:01.200 --> 00:49:13.180
 started on this in a year or so but the the ongoing actions to me I think you

00:49:13.180 --> 00:49:17.920
 said something at the beginning about we've learned through this that not all

00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.940
 the actions we wrote within this plan and I know this goes back to the 2030

00:49:21.940 --> 00:49:29.080
 plan were measurable right and I think many of our ongoing actions fall into

00:49:29.080 --> 00:49:33.840
 that camp whereby if you spend a few minutes with them you can probably come

00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:42.320
 up with a hey let's establish a process for this right as opposed to do this all

00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:48.480
 the time right if if I've learned one thing from being here it's that the city

00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:54.020
 loves processes and and that's necessary when you have a larger organization

00:49:54.020 --> 00:50:04.280
 right but just just as an example the one of those ongoing actions was the one

00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:10.680
 to basically look at the the cost of maintenance and reconstruction of road

00:50:10.680 --> 00:50:15.600
 ways when building new roads and and widening them and and I know you said

00:50:15.600 --> 00:50:22.200
 that not all these comments are exactly where we are right now but I just want

00:50:22.200 --> 00:50:28.040
 to read the response and see if that's true it says the city incorporates the

00:50:28.040 --> 00:50:31.800
 cost of regular road maintenance and reconstruction when estimating the total

00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:36.320
 cost of building and widening roads this approach ensures that long-term expenses

00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:40.720
 are considered upfront rather than focusing solely on initial construction

00:50:40.720 --> 00:50:44.680
 costs by evaluating and adopting road construction methods that minimize

00:50:44.680 --> 00:50:48.960
 lifecycle costs the city advances fiscal responsibilities sustainable

00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:52.560
 infrastructure and resilient community growth I would love if that were true I

00:50:52.560 --> 00:50:58.760
 have never seen a report to council for a construction of a roadway include any

00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:03.640
 of those figures so so my point is not to like hey let's beat up on this one

00:51:03.640 --> 00:51:09.160
 thing my point is that it's it's very easy when you have a large organization

00:51:09.160 --> 00:51:17.400
 of too few people trying to do too much work that an ongoing action turns into

00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.640
 well let me think about how we do this already and then we'll check it off

00:51:22.640 --> 00:51:29.560
 whereas if we if we identify clear things that we can do to start changing

00:51:29.560 --> 00:51:35.560
 the culture and the processes so that we get to the goal as opposed to checking

00:51:35.560 --> 00:51:46.840
 it off the list I think we would get more actionable results right so thank you

00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:55.280
 sorry any other questions comments I'm certainly looking forward to moving

00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:00.300
 forward and and I don't mean to minimize the amazing amount of work that staff

00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:06.960
 has done I know it's been a years-long process to get this into and video and

00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:14.160
 and and like you said I think it's it's even though it's been a mixed bag as far

00:52:14.160 --> 00:52:18.880
 as how useful it's been in this round I think the value is really truly in

00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:24.400
 teaching us how we should set goals how many we should have the need for

00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:36.760
 priority as we go forward so yes yes mm-hmm okay thank you thank you yes okay

00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:45.200
 we do have food here and we've got one more work session report so it is five

00:52:45.200 --> 00:52:50.080
 fifty six now we'll take an eight minute recess to grab food and then come back

00:52:50.080 --> 00:53:00.160
 and finish the last work session report at 6 o 4 p.m. we'll reconvene at our

00:53:00.160 --> 00:53:11.580
 work session next item is 3b pz 26 - 24 good evening associate planner here to

00:53:11.580 --> 00:53:18.640
 present zoning 201 all right so question we're looking to answer tonight is in

00:53:18.640 --> 00:53:23.440
 part so your zoning has changed does that mean everything has changed what

00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.040
 has actually changed and one of the things we want to touch on is when y'all

00:53:27.040 --> 00:53:32.040
 see a plan development a PD or an SUP you get a lot of details you find out a

00:53:32.040 --> 00:53:36.320
 lot about how it's going to look on a normal zoning case you don't see much of

00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.080
 that and so it could feel like oh my goodness it's the Wild West they're just

00:53:39.080 --> 00:53:42.400
 gonna go build things so part of what we want to highlight is all of the things

00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:47.040
 that we are always reviewing even if you're only approving a zoning change

00:53:47.040 --> 00:53:50.960
 there are many many rules that we're looking at on a regular basis and also

00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.660
 look at those things that zoning does change versus the things that stay the

00:53:54.660 --> 00:53:58.920
 same things we're always going to check no matter what the zoning is we want to

00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.200
 look a little bit just at what our base zoning districts are so you have clarity

00:54:02.200 --> 00:54:05.320
 when we're talking about like how man what is an r7 how can I find out more

00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:09.640
 about that and then just a discussion on some of those specific regulations in

00:54:09.640 --> 00:54:14.960
 kind of the lens of is this something zoning changes or is this one of those

00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:18.820
 things that is really not affected by zoning all that much it's driven by very

00:54:18.820 --> 00:54:22.560
 different factors so just so you have a better sense of what we're looking at on

00:54:22.560 --> 00:54:26.440
 a day-to-day basis as planners so you also have that confidence that when

00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:28.880
 you're approving a zoning change and it's going to be kind of by the book

00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:36.940
 what that book is what we're checking so I am a suit fan and I have a friend

00:54:36.940 --> 00:54:40.440
 many years ago said all right when you have three buttons how do you know which

00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:47.160
 ones to button and the answer is sometimes always rarely or never so you

00:54:47.160 --> 00:54:52.400
 can use this if it helps you you can forget it if not but when when you are

00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:57.040
 asked the question did my zoning changed what did that change the answer is well

00:54:57.040 --> 00:55:03.320
 some things it sometimes changes other things always change some things rarely

00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:07.640
 change so for instance your dimensional standards the setbacks the height

00:55:07.640 --> 00:55:11.120
 limitations that's always going to be a little different when zoning changes

00:55:11.120 --> 00:55:14.080
 always the mix will always be a dip a little bit different so if you're

00:55:14.080 --> 00:55:18.840
 wondering what sets my height zoning it's going to change versus something

00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:24.400
 like landscape standards sometimes they're gonna stay fairly similar across

00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:29.320
 a whole range of districts sometimes some things about them will change so

00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:33.120
 for instance the required landscape percentage that's usually going to be

00:55:33.120 --> 00:55:38.680
 different by zoning district other parts of it will stay the same parking almost

00:55:38.680 --> 00:55:42.240
 never changes the parking that's required for a given use no matter what

00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:45.680
 the zoning district is it's going to be the same similar with tree preservation

00:55:45.680 --> 00:55:48.480
 tree preservation is gonna be that your zoning changes you have to preserve

00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:52.600
 trees doesn't matter it stays the same so if you're worried about one of those

00:55:52.600 --> 00:55:56.020
 things in the red category bear in mind that a zoning change isn't going to do

00:55:56.020 --> 00:56:00.560
 much to that that's going to be enforced across the board so sometimes always

00:56:00.560 --> 00:56:06.480
 never now our base zoning districts so we have that whole list there and that

00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:12.080
 is within our code you can pull that up that's all of the districts we have a

00:56:12.080 --> 00:56:16.880
 zoning district is a property classification that determines permitted

00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.400
 uses and certain basic development standards for each property within that

00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:26.000
 classification the key here is that a zoning district should be consistent

00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:30.360
 across the entire city so our three on the north side of the city are three on

00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.200
 the south side of city the rules are the same you have a consistent expectation

00:56:34.200 --> 00:56:37.560
 of what you are getting in that zoning district so if you ever want to look at

00:56:37.560 --> 00:56:41.800
 that DDC sub chapter 3 every one of these is in there and it includes a

00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:46.680
 couple things the purpose so what is this good for what is the goal of this

00:56:46.680 --> 00:56:51.840
 district what should you find there so I put up an example r7 tells you r7 you

00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.360
 should have a variety of housing types it should allow for both neighborhood

00:56:55.360 --> 00:57:01.460
 serving retail parks and schools and housing you should maintain neighborhood

00:57:01.460 --> 00:57:05.040
 character provide a safe environment for pedestrian cyclists it can support

00:57:05.040 --> 00:57:09.040
 compatibility between single-family neighborhoods and higher intensity mixed

00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:12.580
 use and non-residential so if you consider a new zoning change we will

00:57:12.580 --> 00:57:15.960
 always tell you hey does this align we have to assess and we'll tell you in

00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:20.440
 that report does this zoning change fit with the purpose of that district but

00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:22.880
 that's something you can always look up yourself as well say hey does this make

00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:28.240
 sense with the purpose of the r7 district it will also always have

00:57:28.240 --> 00:57:31.040
 dimensional standards and I'll show you an example of that in a minute but

00:57:31.040 --> 00:57:34.920
 basically that lays out within this district what are the setbacks so how

00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.760
 far does the building have to be from all the lot lines what is the height

00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.320
 limitation how much of that lot can you cover with a building so for every one

00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.640
 of those you'll have dimensional standards and that's the same in every

00:57:45.640 --> 00:57:51.800
 r3 and every r7 and every MN so those are base zoning districts hopefully

00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:56.520
 that's and that is these all differ from versus a PD which will have customized

00:57:56.520 --> 00:58:00.880
 elements to it these are the un-customized the rules are what they are

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:06.200
 so dimensional standards as I just mentioned here is an example again r7

00:58:06.200 --> 00:58:11.400
 this is the table that tells you if you are an r7 lot this is your world this is

00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:15.640
 how big your lot needs to be it needs to be at least 4,000 square feet how wide

00:58:15.640 --> 00:58:19.840
 does it be how deep how far does the building need to be from the lot lines

00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:24.120
 that's going to be the same in every unmodified r7 and we as planners are

00:58:24.120 --> 00:58:28.400
 going to check that every time and that's going to limit where and what you

00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.920
 can do on that lot building height is going to be set building coverage so

00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:38.360
 taking our always sometimes never always if zoning changes at least one aspect of

00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:41.200
 your dimensional standards are going to change it's always gonna be a little

00:58:41.200 --> 00:58:47.260
 different the our districts are residential ones are 1 2 3 4 a lot of

00:58:47.260 --> 00:58:51.160
 those are fairly similar but there's always going to be at least some changes

00:58:51.160 --> 00:58:55.880
 sometimes so townhomes are very unique so at times those will change at times

00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:59.280
 they won't they're going to be fairly narrow regardless thing that almost

00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:03.760
 never changes is within 50 feet of residential district we have

00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:08.320
 limitations on the height period those are always there as a protection now I

00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:13.480
 also want to highlight key non-zoning factor so adjacent zoning districts and

00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:16.440
 uses can drive those dimensional standards they can change them a little

00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.200
 bit because we have protections on how tall you can build next to residential

00:59:21.200 --> 00:59:25.240
 uses so besides zoning sometimes dimensional standards are impacted by

00:59:25.240 --> 00:59:31.200
 what's next your property allowed uses so this is what can you do in a zoning

00:59:31.200 --> 00:59:35.080
 district kind of the original purpose of zoning way back when what are you allowed

00:59:35.080 --> 00:59:37.920
 to do here what are you not allowed to do this is our table of allowed uses

00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:42.600
 you'll see across the top there are all of those zoning districts so if you scan

00:59:42.600 --> 00:59:47.840
 down let's say single-family detached one you see a P plus that means say

00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:51.760
 we'll look in our seven there so single-family detached dwelling your house

00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.640
 that is permitted in our seven but there's a plus there that means if you

00:59:55.640 --> 00:59:59.000
 go all the way over to the right you specific standards there's some

00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:04.080
 additional rules that apply so it's allowed with additional rules P plus in

01:00:04.080 --> 01:00:08.240
 some cases not on here but there you'll have a P with no plus that means it's

01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:12.580
 just it is allowed no additional rule it is allowed within that district and then

01:00:12.580 --> 01:00:16.960
 s means it requires a specific use permit so where y'all often see that is

01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:22.240
 in our seven a multifamily development is permitted but it has to have an SUP

01:00:22.240 --> 01:00:25.640
 so that means it's going to come to y'all before it can be built it has to

01:00:25.640 --> 01:00:29.560
 have one of those special permits that you get to look a little bit deeper and

01:00:29.560 --> 01:00:33.920
 the idea is there it's permitted if it's done right so it should there should be

01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.600
 a way to do it but it has to be done right and that's where y'all come in and

01:00:36.600 --> 01:00:40.640
 City Council comes in to say hey is it being done right in this district so

01:00:40.640 --> 01:00:44.640
 permitted SUP and then if it's blank that means it's just not permitted you

01:00:44.640 --> 01:00:48.380
 can't do it in that zoning district you can't build it there so going back to

01:00:48.380 --> 01:00:53.680
 our always sometimes never so always the mix of uses if you get rezoned is going

01:00:53.680 --> 01:00:58.360
 to change no zoning district allows exactly same uses another so zoning it

01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:02.880
 changes what uses are allowed unless it's a use that we just don't allow

01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:08.400
 anywhere in the code and then you just can't do it use specific standards

01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:13.960
 that's those things in that right-hand column so for some uses we have some

01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:22.120
 additional rules and that's usually either there's some concerns about ways

01:01:22.120 --> 01:01:27.200
 it could impact what's near you or we have restrictions within certain zoning

01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:33.620
 districts so for instance we may have rules for medical uses if they're

01:01:33.620 --> 01:01:37.560
 located next your neighborhood we had a concern you'd have ambulances coming out

01:01:37.560 --> 01:01:40.880
 lights and sirens directly headed towards neighborhood so we added some rules

01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.840
 about where you can direct vehicles coming out of saying urgent care if it's

01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.720
 near a neighborhood so that sometimes is going to apply and sometimes it won't

01:01:48.720 --> 01:01:53.560
 it'll depend on what you're near so does zoning change or use specific standards

01:01:53.560 --> 01:01:57.600
 sometimes sometimes it will change if it's a mixed use standard we may have

01:01:57.600 --> 01:02:01.280
 some additional standards that apply if you're going to be downtown versus not

01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:05.520
 downtown again for that use sometimes we'll say you can build it up to a

01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:10.960
 certain size but no more within this zoning district again trying to tailor a

01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:16.300
 little bit where we see these uses for the most part though there will be a lot

01:02:16.300 --> 01:02:19.720
 of you specific standards that are the same no matter what zoning district

01:02:19.720 --> 01:02:25.400
 we're always going to check certain things so how outdoor storage is handled

01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.480
 with certain vehicle repair uses they're just going to be things we were always

01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:33.840
 going to say you can't do that you need to have those things inside zoning

01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.320
 doesn't really drive that that's just going to be what the rules are this is

01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:42.120
 also driven by what your use is and what your Jason zoning is so who's around you

01:02:42.120 --> 01:02:46.040
 and usually it's are there residences around you if there are there's often

01:02:46.040 --> 01:02:50.060
 additional rules and as planners we're checking what are you next to and what

01:02:50.060 --> 01:02:54.360
 additional rules do we need to apply so that's where we'll come in someone says

01:02:54.360 --> 01:03:01.000
 hey the code says that my use is allowed here and we'll say yes but the building

01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:04.680
 you're wanting to do there is too big we have some extra standards so we're

01:03:04.680 --> 01:03:10.480
 checking that landscape standards so you're real familiar with this minimum

01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:15.040
 landscape area and tree canopy on a lot what specific types of landscape elements

01:03:15.040 --> 01:03:18.960
 are required what plants you can and can't plant street tree requirements

01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:22.760
 buffer requirements one thing that's always going to change if your zoning

01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.480
 changes you have a different landscape and tree canopy percentages you'll see

01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:33.660
 on the top there it could be 70% if you're out on a big r1 almost rural lot

01:03:33.660 --> 01:03:39.960
 it could be all the way down to say 15% if you're down by the square and a lot

01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:43.520
 of landscaping doesn't make sense so those two things are always going to

01:03:43.520 --> 01:03:49.360
 change if your zoning changes buffer requirements will sometimes but not

01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:51.680
 often change generally buffer requirements are going to be the same

01:03:51.680 --> 01:03:55.600
 across the city except downtown we recognize having a big landscape buffer

01:03:55.600 --> 01:03:58.360
 between two uses doesn't make that much sense you know just don't see that

01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:02.460
 otherwise we're checking for those buffers other things that are almost

01:04:02.460 --> 01:04:06.640
 never going to change so we're going to require basically the same landscaping

01:04:06.640 --> 01:04:10.200
 requirements for commercial use anywhere in the city zoning isn't going to change

01:04:10.200 --> 01:04:14.080
 that similarly your single-family use you're going to need to do roughly the

01:04:14.080 --> 01:04:19.560
 same type of landscaping whether you're in r1 all the way up to r7 landscaping

01:04:19.560 --> 01:04:26.240
 is fairly zoning neutral we are going to check those landscape standards

01:04:26.240 --> 01:04:30.320
 regardless and we set a high standard for landscaping because we have a

01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:34.360
 beautiful city and our residents would like it to stay that way as it develops

01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:39.680
 site design standards basically this is how your how your site is laid out where

01:04:39.680 --> 01:04:43.040
 do your buildings go which direction your entrances have to be pointed how

01:04:43.040 --> 01:04:49.340
 much open space do you have to give this is again not super impacted by what

01:04:49.340 --> 01:04:52.680
 your zoning district is it's much more driven by what's your use is it a

01:04:52.680 --> 01:04:57.320
 commercial or residential use how big is it the development as you're doing a

01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:01.000
 large development more requirements come in if you're doing more buildings we're

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.680
 going to look at it more closely there's going to be more restrictions you have

01:05:03.680 --> 01:05:09.800
 to follow open space requirements will kick in based much more on your use not

01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:14.000
 based on your zoning there are some so in industrial zoning districts we do

01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.560
 have some lighter touches because if you're doing an industrial use in

01:05:17.560 --> 01:05:22.200
 industrial zoning we're a little less concerned about you know what that looks

01:05:22.200 --> 01:05:25.320
 like as long as your way step back there's a little more flexibility

01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.920
 whereas if you're doing an industrial use in some other areas we're going to

01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:32.880
 look real close at that so zoning can change that a little bit but for the

01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:36.520
 most part site design standards we're taking a good long look at that no

01:05:36.520 --> 01:05:42.040
 matter what the zoning is it's going to be much more as I noted based on other

01:05:42.040 --> 01:05:45.080
 factors than zoning so we're going to be looking real closely about how you laid

01:05:45.080 --> 01:05:50.920
 that side out have you met all of those standards similarly with building

01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:55.600
 design so this is what does the outside of your building look like does it look

01:05:55.600 --> 01:06:00.360
 like a bland box or have you given us some nice architectural features you laid

01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:04.680
 that out according to our requirements again not real zoning driven we're going

01:06:04.680 --> 01:06:07.520
 to be looking at those things intensively no matter where they're being

01:06:07.520 --> 01:06:11.120
 building the big driver there is going to be much more is it commercial is it

01:06:11.120 --> 01:06:15.080
 single-family residential isn't multifamily standards will vary based on

01:06:15.080 --> 01:06:19.240
 that more than the zoning so you change from an R7 to an MN we're still going to

01:06:19.240 --> 01:06:26.040
 look real closely at the architectural features for that sometimes we will look

01:06:26.040 --> 01:06:29.400
 a little bit more closely within our mixed-use zoning districts because we're

01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.620
 wanting to have those buildings closer to the street that's your more downtown

01:06:32.620 --> 01:06:35.680
 uses so we're going to have some additional rules that apply in our mixed

01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:39.640
 use zoning district say hey those commercial uses you need to not have a

01:06:39.640 --> 01:06:42.640
 big parking lot out front of that this is more for the downtown need to pull

01:06:42.640 --> 01:06:46.680
 that building up so that it is more walkable similarly with our multi-family

01:06:46.680 --> 01:06:51.440
 more downtown areas because those zoning districts are intended for areas that

01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:54.160
 are denser and supposed to be more walkable so we're going to look more

01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:58.220
 closely because of the zoning at how those buildings are designed but for the

01:06:58.220 --> 01:07:02.480
 most part no matter where in the city is we're looking at roughly the same set of

01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:08.280
 building requirements and checking in very carefully on that basis parking as

01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:11.960
 I noticed so that's how many parking spaces do you have minimum and maximum

01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:16.700
 and where does it have to be located so in some cases there's parts of the city

01:07:16.700 --> 01:07:21.080
 where we say you can't put that parking between your building and the street but

01:07:21.080 --> 01:07:25.160
 that's primarily not driven by zoning it's it is partially but it also

01:07:25.160 --> 01:07:29.040
 depends on what type of roadways so along a bigger roadway you might see

01:07:29.040 --> 01:07:32.880
 more front parking on those smaller roadways we want that to be more

01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:35.920
 walkable and not have a big parking lot right next to where someone's wanting to

01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:43.040
 walk so sometimes zoning will change the parking area location and in the case of

01:07:43.040 --> 01:07:46.640
 MD downtown zoning that is the one case where we do say we're not setting

01:07:46.640 --> 01:07:50.840
 parking minimums except for large multi-family but in general zoning is not

01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:54.400
 going to change parking we're going to force parking rules consistently across

01:07:54.400 --> 01:08:01.680
 the city regardless of zoning tree preservation again how many trees do you

01:08:01.680 --> 01:08:05.800
 have to preserve on your property how many inches of trees that is not going

01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.560
 to change based on your zoning we are going to enforce tree preservation

01:08:09.560 --> 01:08:18.040
 regardless across the board the same way and actually even in a PD still you

01:08:18.040 --> 01:08:21.240
 cannot use a PD to change tree preservation tree preservation is what

01:08:21.240 --> 01:08:24.800
 it is and you have to follow those rules regardless of your zoning district you

01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:30.240
 can't find any way around that we enforce it access so that's can we get

01:08:30.240 --> 01:08:35.960
 safely onto and off the property do you have enough access points for that use

01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:41.080
 you have safe conditions for vehicles pedestrians that's not again not gonna

01:08:41.080 --> 01:08:44.520
 be real heavily impacted by zoning we're gonna check that carefully no matter

01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:48.360
 what occasionally pedestrian bike circulation if your zoning is our our

01:08:48.360 --> 01:08:53.320
 rural residential we are not going to be looking for the same level of sidewalk

01:08:53.320 --> 01:08:57.480
 and pedestrian paths as we will for the rest of the city so zoning change might

01:08:57.480 --> 01:09:01.140
 impact you there understandably but other than that we want to have good

01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:04.560
 pedestrian infrastructure and safe ingress and egress no matter what your

01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:07.520
 zoning is and so we're gonna look like so again you can bear in mind if you've

01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:11.160
 approved a zoning change and you didn't see a lot of details about how the

01:09:11.160 --> 01:09:15.600
 access was going to work don't worry we have a long set of rules that we have to

01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:20.880
 check against that before they're going to do anywhere and we do lastly

01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:25.400
 definitions so this is something that y'all probably have never had to think

01:09:25.400 --> 01:09:29.440
 about and we have to think about a weirdly large amount which is what is

01:09:29.440 --> 01:09:33.920
 that use how do we define it how do we measure so if it says it can be this far

01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:37.160
 from something else well how do we measure that is that door to door is

01:09:37.160 --> 01:09:40.360
 that property line to property line definition become very important if

01:09:40.360 --> 01:09:43.320
 someone says I want to put this use here and we have to figure out well you've

01:09:43.320 --> 01:09:47.360
 just described that what use is that what you're wanting to do that what box

01:09:47.360 --> 01:09:53.040
 is that fit in and therefore where can that be built definitions by definition

01:09:53.040 --> 01:09:57.420
 need to have the same meaning across the city regardless of zoning so we're not

01:09:57.420 --> 01:10:01.440
 going to change the meaning of multifamily or of auto repair because

01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:05.160
 you're in a different zoning district it is what it is and that's consistency

01:10:05.160 --> 01:10:08.920
 for everyone both for citizens for decision-makers and for us so

01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:14.560
 definitions stays the same so all that say again just to give you a sense of

01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:19.560
 zoning changes some things but there's a whole lot that we are checking

01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:24.120
 regardless of what the zoning change is and that applies on things y'all never

01:10:24.120 --> 01:10:27.640
 see so things that are by right they have that P in there they come right in

01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:30.640
 they get a zoning compliance plan they get it civil plans they get a building

01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:34.440
 permit and they build and doesn't come before y'all we are still looking at all

01:10:34.440 --> 01:10:38.440
 of those rules which reflect the decisions that have been made by past

01:10:38.440 --> 01:10:41.880
 councils that reflect the values our community and what we want to see we're

01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:45.360
 checking all of those against that even if there's not a detailed PD that goes

01:10:45.360 --> 01:10:52.580
 with it so happy to answer any questions questions any five minutes commissioner

01:10:52.580 --> 01:10:59.340
 Riggs do you think you could just quickly kind of describe three different

01:10:59.340 --> 01:11:03.600
 things that we we almost always see and it seems to be what creates the most

01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:08.320
 concern from the public of we're considering a zoning change and we

01:11:08.320 --> 01:11:12.200
 always hear that's going to increase the traffic that's going to increase

01:11:12.200 --> 01:11:18.480
 drainage issues or so those obviously too but then also sometimes it seems

01:11:18.480 --> 01:11:21.780
 like we'll get recommendations to approve a zoning change and it might be

01:11:21.780 --> 01:11:26.680
 it almost seems like a multifamily and next to a large rural residential is

01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.960
 there certain guidelines that we do for the transition I guess three those three

01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:35.760
 things and that's a lot to unpack there I understand that okay I'm gonna do my

01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:40.720
 best and you let me know if I answer you correctly or not so for instance on

01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:45.480
 draining on drainage yeah absolutely across the backboard no matter what we

01:11:45.480 --> 01:11:49.360
 are going to look very close to that and folks smarter than me are going to look

01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:53.960
 very close to that documentation because we do not allow you to have any negative

01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.040
 drainage impact on the properties around you you have to be able to show that

01:11:58.040 --> 01:12:03.160
 you're not going to have that impact in terms of one use next to another so for

01:12:03.160 --> 01:12:07.440
 instance just take multifamily for example we have buffer standards that

01:12:07.440 --> 01:12:13.320
 apply between a multifamily or basically it's a that that type of use and a

01:12:13.320 --> 01:12:17.160
 residential single-family residential use no matter where you are in the city

01:12:17.160 --> 01:12:20.920
 that's always going to apply and so we're always going to be looking at that

01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:24.040
 and enforcing that to create that greater transition the other thing is

01:12:24.040 --> 01:12:28.960
 the height transition so the requirements we have if you are putting a building

01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:33.240
 next to you a single-family residential we're going to look at that say within a

01:12:33.240 --> 01:12:36.720
 certain distance you have to follow the height restrictions not of your zoning

01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:40.840
 district but of the single-family district that is next to you for a

01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:46.240
 certain distance so that you are not putting a giant apartment building right

01:12:46.240 --> 01:12:52.000
 next to a single-family residence so those things were always going to apply

01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:56.800
 regardless and I'm sorry we said drainage you said streets or parking

01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:02.560
 traffic traffic okay so again that goes to we are always going to require at

01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:08.440
 least information about traffic generation and based on that we decide

01:13:08.440 --> 01:13:12.520
 whether we need to have a traffic study traffic impact analysis if it meets

01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:16.040
 certain triggers then we have again engineers much smarter than I am that

01:13:16.040 --> 01:13:20.040
 will look over will tell the applicant you need to have your engineers submit a

01:13:20.040 --> 01:13:23.040
 study showing what your impacts will be and then we're going to look at it and

01:13:23.040 --> 01:13:27.880
 tell you if you did your job well enough and that will include the things that

01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:31.360
 development needs to do to mitigate any negative impacts they're having on the

01:13:31.360 --> 01:13:34.560
 traffic around them so again a significant amount of studies that's a

01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:38.320
 whole separate project type for traffic if you're generating enough trips that

01:13:38.320 --> 01:13:41.400
 it's going to have an impact so again yeah looking very closely at what are

01:13:41.400 --> 01:13:44.800
 potential negative impacts of that and how do those need to be mitigated before

01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:51.160
 we can approve this yeah thank you and I guess one of the things too that may be

01:13:51.160 --> 01:13:54.400
 the kind of a leading but you know a lot of times whenever we hear public

01:13:54.400 --> 01:13:59.640
 concerned about drainage and traffic impact is whenever we're deciding whether

01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:03.120
 something should be rezoned those studies have not been done yet so it's

01:14:03.120 --> 01:14:07.080
 more if you're okay with this going in and they can make the engineering work

01:14:07.080 --> 01:14:10.120
 then it'll happen if they can't make the engineering work it doesn't happen yes

01:14:10.120 --> 01:14:13.920
 absolutely and that's the same on cases that never come before you were also you

01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:17.520
 didn't see them and they're still going through a long and detailed process

01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:21.080
 before they're getting to build and I mean those are some of those things it

01:14:21.080 --> 01:14:24.480
 may take folks a long time to finally prove that okay we are not going to have

01:14:24.480 --> 01:14:27.920
 that negative impact or they may just not be able to build because it can't be

01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:31.440
 done you can't put that much building on that much lot and if it's not then it's

01:14:31.440 --> 01:14:39.240
 not mr. Garland I was just gonna say great job I love the visual of the suit

01:14:39.240 --> 01:14:43.760
 as a mom of four boys I'm glad you finally put that argument to rest of

01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:47.600
 how you're supposed to button your jackets and I think we all recognize

01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:51.840
 that the great way to retain and remember information has have kind of a

01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:56.040
 visual attached to it so I like the creativity and I just wanted to shout

01:14:56.040 --> 01:15:03.720
 you out for that thank you I'm gonna attempt in a minute and a half to wrap

01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:07.400
 up some things and give it a lesson on development economics could you flip

01:15:07.400 --> 01:15:16.120
 back to your first agenda slide that was very helpful to me yes the is it correct

01:15:16.120 --> 01:15:21.040
 to say that that those specific regulations under the third bullet those

01:15:21.040 --> 01:15:26.040
 are things that get applied either after a zoning change or for a by right

01:15:26.040 --> 01:15:33.040
 application yes okay and when an applicant comes in their pro forma

01:15:33.040 --> 01:15:37.280
 typically has what they refer to as hard costs which is building materials and

01:15:37.280 --> 01:15:41.440
 paying people to put it on the land and then they have soft costs which is all

01:15:41.440 --> 01:15:47.120
 the design analysis how are we gonna do it where are we gonna put stuff paying

01:15:47.120 --> 01:15:52.720
 the architects all that kind of stuff is that kind of how it's split up I cannot

01:15:52.720 --> 01:16:00.040
 speak to that just go with me here and and I just want to point out that all of

01:16:00.040 --> 01:16:06.720
 those bullets under that third bullet are the majority of those soft costs when

01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:13.100
 an applicant comes in for either a full PD or an SUP most of those things under

01:16:13.100 --> 01:16:17.660
 the third bullet they have to have done a lot of due diligence on is that a fair

01:16:17.660 --> 01:16:22.440
 statement yes okay so just keep in mind commission that those soft costs are

01:16:22.440 --> 01:16:27.320
 typically on the order of 25 to 30 percent of the project cost and so when

01:16:27.320 --> 01:16:31.720
 an applicant comes in for an SUP it's not just the six thousand dollar fee to the

01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:38.280
 city that they're paying it's the many months of delay as well as 30 percent of

01:16:38.280 --> 01:16:41.440
 the whole project cost so if it's a hundred million broader project they're

01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:45.840
 spending thirty million dollars to bring the SUP for us is that that a fair

01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:49.560
 statement it is definitely true that they're having to do a lot of that work

01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:54.760
 on the front end yes okay and just to shout out back to Julie's point earlier

01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.240
 everything that we do on the facilitation side to improve that is

01:16:58.240 --> 01:17:02.120
 exactly for that reason to keep those costs as low as possible so we're doing

01:17:02.120 --> 01:17:07.240
 a great review without unnecessary cost okay thank you any other questions

01:17:07.240 --> 01:17:12.280
 Commissioner McDonough just quickly I just want to I think the word is echo

01:17:12.280 --> 01:17:17.480
 Commissioner Garland said it thanks and a great job Sean I wish I would have had

01:17:17.480 --> 01:17:22.760
 this at my orientation back in the summer and also behind me miss Julie back

01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:29.320
 here thanks at a girl to you too and both excellent presentations and slide

01:17:29.320 --> 01:17:36.520
 decks thank you yeah thank you very much I feel like we're ready to go to go grad

01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:46.040
 school now at 628 we will call the work session to a close and reconvene in

01:17:46.040 --> 01:17:49.600
 council chambers for the regular meeting

01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:59.280
 good evening at 637 p.m. this Wednesday February 11th I will call this meeting

01:17:59.280 --> 01:18:05.280
 of the Denton planning and zoning Commission to order with the quorum

01:18:05.280 --> 01:18:09.720
 present our first item of business is to stand and say the Pledge of Allegiance

01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:13.240
 to the u.s. and Texas Flags

01:18:30.160 --> 01:18:53.400
 honored our next item is to a PZ 26 - 8 consider approval of the January for

01:18:53.400 --> 01:18:59.280
 January 14th planning and zoning meeting minutes open the floor for a motion

01:18:59.280 --> 01:19:04.400
 Commissioner Dyer I make a motion that we approve the minutes from January 14th

01:19:04.400 --> 01:19:11.040
 meeting Commissioner Garland and I will second that the motion and a second not

01:19:11.040 --> 01:19:26.520
 seeing any questions I'll call for a vote on the board that item passes 7-0 the

01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:38.200
 consent agenda we're gonna pull item B FP 250040 so if I could have a sorry is

01:19:38.200 --> 01:19:48.400
 it I'm sorry I put it in the wrong place we're gonna pull item C fr 250019 so

01:19:48.400 --> 01:19:56.280
 let's we can go ahead and look at that now for questions so I'm going to talk

01:19:56.280 --> 01:19:59.840
 about the TIA that was approved in October of 2025 I do have a

01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:13.560
 presentation if we want to pull it up on the screen okay so I'm just gonna kind

01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:17.640
 of highlight the key items here that were approved as part of that TIA in

01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:23.400
 October 2025 so looking first they are gonna be installing a traffic signal at

01:20:23.400 --> 01:20:26.680
 the intersection of the East driveway which is highlighted there in that

01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:33.160
 lower right-hand corner on us 380 additionally there is going to be

01:20:33.160 --> 01:20:37.920
 construction of a northbound right turn lane deceleration lane here at the south

01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:42.280
 driveway and Bonnie Bray and then lastly there is going to be construction of a

01:20:42.280 --> 01:20:47.200
 westbound right turn deceleration lane at the middle driveway right here there

01:20:47.200 --> 01:20:51.800
 is additionally ongoing conversations with our capital improvements group as

01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:59.160
 well as textile regarding south Bonnie Bray and if there is any additional

01:20:59.160 --> 01:21:06.720
 questions staff is happy to follow up with MMO any other questions on this

01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:22.640
 item I don't see any thank you so let's take a motion for item fr25 - 19 for

01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:32.080
 this final replat Commissioner Ketchers it a motion to approve fr25 0 0 19 and

01:21:32.080 --> 01:21:40.200
 Commissioner Garland and I will second that motion the motion and a second not

01:21:40.200 --> 01:21:52.320
 seeing any discussion I'll call for a vote on the board that item passes 7-0

01:21:52.320 --> 01:22:01.840
 the the remaining items are just a and B I do have a card and I'm just gonna

01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:11.440
 allow this is the applicant on 3a fr fp 25 - 28 I think this is the one that that

01:22:11.440 --> 01:22:19.880
 had four this is the fourth or fifth requested I'm sorry no that's something

01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:27.400
 else so does does anybody from the Commission have any questions for the

01:22:27.400 --> 01:22:34.020
 for for 3a for the applicant who is here and available if not I think we can just

01:22:34.020 --> 01:22:42.280
 move forward okay so I'll take a motion for the remaining items on the consent

01:22:42.280 --> 01:22:47.800
 agenda Commissioner Ketchers said a motion to approve the consent agenda

01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:53.280
 Commissioner Riggs second with the motion and a second not seeing any

01:22:53.280 --> 01:23:04.960
 discussion I'll call for a vote on the board that item passes 7-0 brings us to

01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:12.800
 our items for individual consideration for a PZ 26 - 7 elect a chair and vice

01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:20.160
 chair for our planning and zoning Commission so I will open the floor for

01:23:20.160 --> 01:23:29.280
 a motion or discussion Commissioner Riggs I make a motion for you to

01:23:29.280 --> 01:23:36.200
 continue as chair Commissioner Ketchers said I second that motion I'm glad to

01:23:36.200 --> 01:23:43.680
 accept I'll try to keep the the riff-raff to a minimum but usually it's

01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:49.680
 me as opposed to you all kind of causing it any discussion not seeing any I'll

01:23:49.680 --> 01:24:03.520
 call for a vote on the board that passes 7-0 and there's any motions

01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:09.520
 Commissioner McDuff oh yes I'd like to make a motion for Commissioner Riggs to

01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:14.320
 serve as vice chair very good Commissioner Dyer I'll go ahead and

01:24:14.320 --> 01:24:25.840
 second that any comments Commissioner Riggs I'll just say I'm glad that that

01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:30.880
 we are we get business done but we don't don't get been out of shape so thank you

01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:40.920
 for the humor not seeing any discussion I'll call for a vote on the board that

01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:46.880
 item passes 7-0 so we will continue with myself as chair and Commissioner Riggs

01:24:46.880 --> 01:25:04.200
 as vice chair the that brings us to 4b ZZP 25 - 38 evening chair members of the

01:25:04.200 --> 01:25:07.840
 Commission me a high and senior planner and this is a zoning compliance plan for

01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:14.200
 crunch fitness the item on the agenda for you tonight is to or they are seeking

01:25:14.200 --> 01:25:18.560
 approval of this site plan for an indoor outdoor recreation facility and a public

01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:22.320
 restroom on a site that's approximately three point eight seven two acres

01:25:22.320 --> 01:25:26.960
 located between Heritage Park and I'm sorry here is his trail and East Park

01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:32.040
 Boulevard approximately 400 feet south of us 380 surrounding the property to the

01:25:32.040 --> 01:25:36.240
 west is it's all it's within the razor ranch area and so to the west of the

01:25:36.240 --> 01:25:41.440
 property is retail to the north of the property is retail as well and some

01:25:41.440 --> 01:25:48.000
 restaurants just east of the property across from East Park Boulevard is a

01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:51.360
 multifamily development and then just to the south of the property is a public

01:25:51.360 --> 01:25:57.800
 park and open space as a part of the razor ranch overlay area so this item is

01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:01.920
 zoned within the south commercial district based zoning of the razor

01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:06.480
 ranch overlay area and that includes permitted uses such as commercial uses

01:26:06.480 --> 01:26:10.880
 retail and restaurant as well as the proposed recreation and entertainment

01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:15.360
 uses the reason that this is before you as you all are aware you don't typically

01:26:15.360 --> 01:26:18.620
 see zoning compliance plans unless they're attached to like a PD or

01:26:18.620 --> 01:26:22.640
 something to that effect this is coming for before you all because as a

01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:26.440
 requirement of the razor ranch overlay district all properties that are being

01:26:26.440 --> 01:26:34.320
 developed south of the West University US 380 Drive is required to seek

01:26:34.320 --> 01:26:37.720
 approval for their zoning compliance plans from the planning and zoning

01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:41.240
 commission that zoning compliance plan package does come with a site plan a

01:26:41.240 --> 01:26:44.520
 landscape plan as well as four-sided building elevations for the proposed

01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:50.640
 structure here's a criteria for approval that you are supposed to put the site

01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:54.360
 plan up against that is that the site plan substantially complies with the

01:26:54.360 --> 01:26:59.120
 concept and schematic plan approved by the City Council and the the zoning and

01:26:59.120 --> 01:27:02.600
 land use layout that was approved with the razor ranch overlay the site plan

01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:06.180
 provides for a compatible arrangement of buildings and land uses that would not

01:27:06.180 --> 01:27:10.960
 adversely affect adjoining properties or neighborhoods the site plan should

01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:14.360
 provide for adequate and safe circulation of vehicular traffic and the

01:27:14.360 --> 01:27:17.920
 site plan should fully comply with all other sections of the overlay district

01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:22.680
 and I will walk you through some of those components now so as proposed the

01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:27.880
 indoor recreation facility or fitness center is approximately 26,000 square

01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:32.160
 feet it's a one-story building it's shown here in the brown at the sort of

01:27:32.160 --> 01:27:36.960
 north if you are looking at the screen is facing to the right so the building

01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:41.520
 is at the located at the southeast corner of the property they are also

01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:46.960
 proposing an outdoor recreation area just to the west of the property in this

01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:50.760
 area here and then they are also proposing to construct a public

01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:56.080
 restroom dedicated to the to the city and for public use for ideally for those

01:27:56.080 --> 01:28:00.640
 patrons patrons using the park just to the south of the property they are

01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:06.000
 proposing 240 parking vehicular parking spaces for this fitness center and 12

01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:10.400
 bicycle spaces as well as far as connectivity and accessing the property

01:28:10.400 --> 01:28:16.000
 you would be able to come from us 380 that's up here to the north down to here

01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:19.980
 it's a trail access the property with a designated left turn lane here that they

01:28:19.980 --> 01:28:24.480
 will be required to make as an offside improvement you will also be able to

01:28:24.480 --> 01:28:30.000
 access the property from East Park Boulevard just to the east of it as far

01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.680
 as pedestrian connectivity they are proposing to connect to existing stubs

01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:37.920
 that were developed with the overall razor ranch area they are also proposing

01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:42.520
 a sidewalk connection directly from the public restroom facility to that public

01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:47.840
 park that is just south of the property as far as landscaping they are meeting

01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:53.120
 the minimum requirements and proposing required site trees as well as parking

01:28:53.120 --> 01:28:57.440
 lot landscaping that is totaling approximately 25% landscape area

01:28:57.440 --> 01:29:03.440
 coverage and a an approximate 70% tree canopy coverage they are including the

01:29:03.440 --> 01:29:08.400
 correct buffer trees relative to heritage trail to buffer and screen some

01:29:08.400 --> 01:29:15.200
 of the parking components that you would see when driving past this site as well

01:29:15.200 --> 01:29:19.840
 here are the proposed elevations for the building this one at the top left corner

01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:23.440
 is that front elevation that would be facing north or what you could kind of

01:29:23.440 --> 01:29:27.880
 see from West University the building is actually kind of tucked back because

01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:30.920
 there's some developments just to the north of this property so you wouldn't

01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:35.440
 necessarily be able to see this from West University unless you're driving in a

01:29:35.440 --> 01:29:40.120
 west west direction the other facades of the building have a similar

01:29:40.120 --> 01:29:45.400
 architectural style and again this is just a one-story building that they are

01:29:45.400 --> 01:29:49.720
 proposing so with that staff is recommending approval of the request as

01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:53.000
 it does meet all of the established requirements of the razor ranch overlay

01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:58.440
 district that I read before and I will happily take any questions that you have

01:29:58.440 --> 01:30:02.200
 or comments and the applicant is also here if you have any comments or

01:30:02.200 --> 01:30:07.960
 questions for them the floor for questions or emotion

01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:13.480
 Commissioner McDuff yes I'd like to make a motion to accept the recommendation of

01:30:13.480 --> 01:30:18.320
 the staff which would be the approval of the food street didn't project and

01:30:18.320 --> 01:30:30.080
 Commissioner Riggs second okay any questions from the Commission I have one

01:30:30.080 --> 01:30:40.400
 and maybe I'm gonna answer it immediately here just occurred to me

01:30:40.400 --> 01:30:48.320
 that the the park south of here is fairly large and long typically our bike

01:30:48.320 --> 01:30:52.080
 parking spaces are required within a certain number of feet of the front door

01:30:52.080 --> 01:30:56.720
 and in this case there's two buildings there's the bathroom and then there's

01:30:56.720 --> 01:31:02.240
 the the main building it looks like the the bike parking spaces are in front of

01:31:02.240 --> 01:31:06.040
 the main building but there aren't any in front of the bathroom is that correct

01:31:06.040 --> 01:31:15.800
 okay I don't want to hold this up because you know it's it's a bike rack

01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:21.480
 but it's more just information for the future I guess in cases where we have a

01:31:21.480 --> 01:31:27.080
 an accessory structure that we expect to get a high level of use especially in

01:31:27.080 --> 01:31:32.760
 proximity to a public use like the park are there ways that that the current

01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:39.920
 code allows us to require bike parking in front of a restroom so we can certainly

01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:44.400
 ask the applicant would be willing to include a couple of bikes racks in the

01:31:44.400 --> 01:31:47.760
 area I will say that the restroom itself as an accessory structure doesn't have a

01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:52.160
 parking requirement attached to it so that's the where that requirement gets

01:31:52.160 --> 01:31:55.720
 sticky but I can absolutely ask if that would be something they would be willing

01:31:55.720 --> 01:32:01.600
 to do okay I think it makes sense okay that's that's my only comment any other

01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:08.360
 Commissioner Dyer I apologize because I know that Commissioner Mcduff asked this

01:32:08.360 --> 01:32:15.880
 in our workshop but with regards to the bathroom remind us again who like the

01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:19.840
 city is going to be responsible for cleaning that and take caring taking care

01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:23.920
 of that correct yes so the developer was responsible for constructing it and they

01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:27.360
 are currently working with our parks department on like specific specified

01:32:27.360 --> 01:32:31.640
 schemes and sort of their preferred model of it and then it will be dedicated

01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:35.560
 to the city for maintenance and ownership are we seeing a need of this

01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:38.520
 because of the park on the other side of the street on the south end of this

01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:43.800
 property I don't know if there's a need I believe this was kind of when the when

01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:48.600
 the property was developing this was kind of what what was expected to come

01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:53.220
 of this property to develop with the public park attached to it I don't know

01:32:53.220 --> 01:32:56.000
 that we've heard a need from the community but I think this is something

01:32:56.000 --> 01:33:00.120
 that parks is is is wanting our parks department is wanting at this site and

01:33:00.120 --> 01:33:06.480
 then I think my last question is do we have anything like this at other parks

01:33:06.480 --> 01:33:12.000
 do we find that there's nefarious happenings in a situation like this where

01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:17.700
 there's a standalone restroom in such a you know high traffic area with retail

01:33:17.700 --> 01:33:22.120
 lots of apartment buildings things like that I can't speak to them and look at

01:33:22.120 --> 01:33:25.940
 Haley to see if she has I'm just curious if we're concerned about safety public

01:33:25.940 --> 01:33:32.800
 safety I cannot think of another park that has a situation like this I will

01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:36.920
 just add to what Mia said from what I recall when the dedication and

01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:40.280
 development agreement for the park within razor ranch went before City

01:33:40.280 --> 01:33:45.080
 Council I believe this restroom being on this property was tied to that

01:33:45.080 --> 01:33:49.160
 agreement at that time because there was not going to be restroom facilities

01:33:49.160 --> 01:33:58.600
 within the park itself okay yeah I'll just add I know through our last parks

01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:05.480
 planning effort the master parks plan that one of the highly requested

01:34:05.480 --> 01:34:11.160
 features was bathrooms you know when you take your toddler to the park you never

01:34:11.160 --> 01:34:17.320
 know what's gonna happen but in most cases they are prohibitively expensive

01:34:17.320 --> 01:34:23.040
 given city budget constraints to just go out and install when there's no water

01:34:23.040 --> 01:34:35.400
 and sewer infrastructure necessarily at the park so any other discussion okay

01:34:35.400 --> 01:34:38.920
 not seeing anyone all right not seeing any further discussion I'll call for a

01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:50.880
 vote on the board to approve this razor ranch site plan that item passes seven

01:34:50.880 --> 01:35:11.120
 zero which brings us to our next item of sorry next item 4c pp 25 - 5 good

01:35:11.120 --> 01:35:15.280
 evening chair and members of the Commission Sean Jacobson associate

01:35:15.280 --> 01:35:22.600
 planner and pardon me I get to the correct slide here I'm here to present

01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:35.040
 PP 25 D if I can find it see so this is a preliminary plan there we go

01:35:35.040 --> 01:35:44.080
 preliminary plat that has not yet met all of our criteria for approval so staff

01:35:44.080 --> 01:35:48.160
 is recommending denial but does not object to the requested extension to a

01:35:48.160 --> 01:35:58.720
 date certain of February 25th happy to answer any questions any questions or a

01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:06.280
 motion Commissioner Dyer sorry I would like to make a motion that we move

01:36:06.280 --> 01:36:13.760
 forward to approve a recommendation for the preliminary plat of Rosaline Meadows

01:36:14.360 --> 01:36:20.600
 sorry I think the I get that wrong there's a request I would like to move

01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:27.000
 forward that we go ahead and agree to accept the requested extension to the

01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:33.360
 date of February 25th sorry about that Commissioner Garland and I will second

01:36:33.360 --> 01:36:38.360
 that motion okay just a question for staff because this has been going on

01:36:38.360 --> 01:36:47.800
 for a while is there a difference in staff time between these getting delayed

01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:57.880
 versus denied and then resubmitted generally the extension is a smoother

01:36:57.880 --> 01:37:02.400
 process just to kind of keep it moving forward okay have a dedicated calendar

01:37:02.400 --> 01:37:07.440
 for that you don't have to create a new project number etc it's there's just

01:37:07.440 --> 01:37:13.480
 things that are would have to be done otherwise okay no that's fine thank you

01:37:13.480 --> 01:37:19.520
 any other discussion or questions not seeing anyone I will call for a vote on

01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:30.840
 the board that item passes seven zero to approve the extension that brings us to

01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:43.480
 item 4d fp 26 - one evening Commission map would be an assistant planner here to

01:37:43.480 --> 01:37:49.520
 present a final plot for approximately 120 acre tract in the city of Denton's

01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:55.040
 ETJ at this time this final plot doesn't meet our criteria for approval but we

01:37:55.040 --> 01:37:58.800
 have no objection to their first extension request to a date certain of

01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:07.140
 February 25th 2026 okay open the floor for a motion or questions on this

01:38:07.140 --> 01:38:14.560
 request Commissioner Riggs yeah I'll make a motion to grant the exception to date

01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:20.640
 certain of February 25th 2026 to grant the extension extension and

01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:27.760
 Commissioner McDuff I will second that motion for the extension thank you not

01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:35.600
 seeing any discussion I'll call for a vote on the board and that extension is

01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:44.280
 granted 7-0 moves us to our public hearings our first public hearing is 5a

01:38:44.280 --> 01:38:52.580
 which is Z 25 - 25 hold a public hearing and consider a recommendation for by

01:38:52.580 --> 01:38:58.880
 McAdams to rezone from rural rural residential to general office the

01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:05.360
 applicant on this project has requested for it to be postponed but at this time I

01:39:05.360 --> 01:39:10.080
 will go ahead and open the public hearing as it was noticed and I will

01:39:10.080 --> 01:39:17.120
 leave the public hearing open and we will be hearing this item on our next

01:39:17.120 --> 01:39:23.200
 regular scheduled meeting which is 630 p.m. on February 25th in two weeks from

01:39:23.200 --> 01:39:29.180
 today but I'll need a motion to continue it to that meeting date

01:39:29.180 --> 01:39:35.920
 Commissioner Riggs I'll make a motion to continue it to that meeting date

01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:43.520
 Commissioner Garland and I'll second that motion okay not seeing any

01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:52.160
 discussion I'll call for a vote on the board that item passive brings us to our

01:39:52.160 --> 01:39:59.880
 last public hearing of the evening 5b s 25 - 14 good evening chair members of the

01:39:59.880 --> 01:40:05.760
 Commission Bryce Van Arsdale assistant planner this is s25 0 0 1 4 related to a

01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:10.200
 request for a specific use permit for an outdoor storage use this property is

01:40:10.200 --> 01:40:18.760
 located approximately 1150 feet west of I 35 West and about 287 feet north of

01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:23.280
 Metro Street the purpose of this request is to separate the accessory outdoor use

01:40:23.280 --> 01:40:27.360
 which is existing from the primary use which is a concrete batch plant the

01:40:27.360 --> 01:40:31.200
 surrounding area is predominantly zoned as light industrial and is developed

01:40:31.200 --> 01:40:36.840
 with a variety of industrial uses the criteria for approval for a project such

01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:40.140
 as this is that the proposal is consistent with the goals and policies set

01:40:40.140 --> 01:40:44.800
 forth in Denton 2040 comprehensive plan as well as the future land use map this

01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:48.040
 proposal is consistent as well with the use specific standards which are set

01:40:48.040 --> 01:40:52.440
 forth in the Denton development code for outdoor storage the utilities and

01:40:52.440 --> 01:40:56.160
 infrastructure are available to serve this property and the approval of this

01:40:56.160 --> 01:41:00.280
 specific use permit is not expected to generate any significant adverse impacts

01:41:00.280 --> 01:41:04.960
 related to the environment infrastructure or fiscally with the

01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:08.560
 future land use map this area is designated as industrial commerce and

01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:12.200
 this applies generally to areas where the predominant uses include both light

01:41:12.200 --> 01:41:17.720
 and heavy industrial uses primarily this designation is present near the airport

01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:23.260
 west of I 35 West this proposed use is situated west of I 35 West and north of

01:41:23.260 --> 01:41:27.520
 Metro Street it's compatible with the surrounding area and there are also

01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:31.300
 minimal visual and auditory impacts given that it's set back as far as it is

01:41:31.300 --> 01:41:35.600
 from the right-of-way this proposed use does conform with the future land use map

01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:41.440
 goals and purpose this project was noticed in accordance to state statute

01:41:41.440 --> 01:41:45.760
 we did not receive any feedback from the community the staff does recommend

01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:50.400
 approval of this request as it does with the following conditions the conditions

01:41:50.400 --> 01:41:53.280
 are very standard for a specific use permits and largely relate to

01:41:53.280 --> 01:41:57.640
 administratively approved revisions as well as the ability for the city to

01:41:57.640 --> 01:42:03.640
 require a an amendment to the ordinance should revisions above that level be

01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:09.000
 proposed and I'm happy to stand for any questions

01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:18.040
 Commissioner McDuff yes I'd like to make a motion this is a public hearing so

01:42:18.040 --> 01:42:25.560
 let me open the public hearing at this time and I don't have any cards signed

01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:29.720
 up to speak on this item but it is a public hearing so anybody who would like

01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:39.320
 to speak is welcome to come down not seeing any I'll close the public hearing

01:42:39.320 --> 01:42:45.440
 go ahead Commissioner McDuff you have the floor thank you Chair Pruitt I'd

01:42:45.440 --> 01:42:51.200
 like to make a motion that agrees with the staff recommendation for approval of

01:42:51.200 --> 01:42:59.720
 this special special use permit for outdoor storage and Commissioner Riggs

01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:13.320
 second I have a question on this one place the and this is going to expose my

01:43:13.320 --> 01:43:18.480
 lack of understanding of concrete batch plants and who regulates what when I

01:43:18.480 --> 01:43:23.280
 read in our code it looks like temporary batch plant means that it's only used

01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:28.720
 for a certain number of days up to three times a year is that correct okay and

01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:35.960
 and there's also a stipulation of it has to be a half mile from certain other

01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:41.400
 uses correct is is that true in this case there is a multifamily kind of

01:43:41.400 --> 01:43:45.600
 north of here sure so this is a it's not classified as a concrete batch plant is

01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:50.160
 a high-impact manufacturing and this use was developed in 1991 so it's been

01:43:50.160 --> 01:43:54.960
 existing since okay prior to the 2002 so it's it's a legally non-conforming use

01:43:54.960 --> 01:44:01.880
 correct in some sense yeah okay okay thank you any other questions from the

01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:16.080
 Commission okay not seeing any I'll call for a vote on the board that item passes

01:44:16.080 --> 01:44:26.800
 seven zero that brings us to next order of business which is the planning and

01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:41.320
 zoning Commission matrix yes so there are a couple of items that will roll

01:44:41.320 --> 01:44:46.260
 off of the matrix given tonight's work session and the housing data report that

01:44:46.260 --> 01:44:51.680
 was shared with you all so we will update that accordingly regarding City

01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:56.800
 Council updates since your last meeting I believe only one item that you all had

01:44:56.800 --> 01:45:00.200
 seen has gone before council in the the time in between and that was the

01:45:00.200 --> 01:45:05.320
 rezoning for the multifamily at Hickory Grove the the municipal utility district

01:45:05.320 --> 01:45:09.720
 on the west side of town and that was approved at the February 3rd council

01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:13.560
 meeting besides that those are my updates and happy to add anything to the

01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:21.680
 matrix the all my want any additions from the Commission um first off welcome

01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:28.240
 back it's nice to see you secondly um I appreciate that you sent us the

01:45:28.240 --> 01:45:31.840
 information on the multifamily I have printed it to go through it I just

01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:36.080
 haven't had a chance to go through it but I'm curious if we could have it in

01:45:36.080 --> 01:45:43.000
 our workshop just kind of a debrief and how that information affects potential

01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:53.080
 future items before us when it comes to that zoning in that development type is

01:45:53.080 --> 01:45:58.320
 that is that possible so that we have questions sure so you're just wanting

01:45:58.320 --> 01:46:02.800
 like a work session summary of the zoning information that was in the memo

01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:06.880
 yes and so then because you know in my mind I'm gonna have a bunch of question

01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:09.360
 once I you know like I said I printed it I just haven't had a chance to go

01:46:09.360 --> 01:46:13.200
 through it but I'm gonna take I'm gonna take notes on it and then I want to be

01:46:13.200 --> 01:46:19.080
 able to ask questions and how it could relate to future stuff before us when it

01:46:19.080 --> 01:46:28.080
 you know comes to having to vote on things sure we can plan to do that okay

01:46:28.080 --> 01:46:34.200
 yeah we can we can add that given that that will be coming for a work session

01:46:34.200 --> 01:46:40.160
 the one thing that I I didn't understand maybe it was my reading comprehension

01:46:40.160 --> 01:46:46.000
 that would be good to have handy at that work session is I didn't see a

01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:57.240
 definition for at which stage of a development project the GIS analysis

01:46:57.240 --> 01:47:08.040
 assumed MN zoned property flipped from undeveloped to developed or future

01:47:08.040 --> 01:47:12.920
 project does that make sense there was the GIS analysis that had undeveloped

01:47:12.920 --> 01:47:18.280
 versus developed and then there was a list of backlog projects that were in

01:47:18.280 --> 01:47:23.880
 the queue and and I didn't know how to connect those backlog projects to either

01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:30.760
 land that was marked undeveloped or developed okay I think I follow we can

01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:33.920
 yeah make sure we provide some explanation on how that analysis was

01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:40.160
 done okay thank you any other comments or requests for the matrix

01:47:40.160 --> 01:47:45.920
 Commissioner McDuff yes I have an item that's been here since October number

01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:50.760
 four and I appreciate us going through this with all due diligence and miss

01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:55.000
 Haley glad to have you back but I was just wondering if we had any thoughts on

01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:59.960
 there no rush just a thought about when we might be looking at number four

01:47:59.960 --> 01:48:12.120
 communal living in small home communities code changes I don't believe

01:48:12.120 --> 01:48:14.800
 we have the follow-up on that one scheduled yet but we can work on getting

01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:21.360
 a more solid date for that for you thank you Haley right very good

01:48:21.360 --> 01:48:30.480
 Commissioner Kettresett is there a way that we could get a definition of what

01:48:30.480 --> 01:48:36.520
 compatible development is or neighborhood character like what staff

01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:45.880
 themes you know what they might use like an example maybe of what that looks

01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:54.560
 like we're happy to provide some I'm trying to think what form that might

01:48:54.560 --> 01:49:00.160
 take right I don't know exactly how you know sure how you can put that into

01:49:00.160 --> 01:49:06.500
 words because it's very subjective yeah we can try to put together some sort of

01:49:06.500 --> 01:49:10.040
 work session discussion on just what analysis goes into compatibility

01:49:10.040 --> 01:49:12.640
 considerations are you thinking more specifically like with respect to an

01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:20.560
 SUP or permitted uses within a plan development or it could be a bunch of

01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:25.160
 different things potentially right like what did they do they look at that for

01:49:25.160 --> 01:49:34.640
 plats for platting you know certain things you know in all of the residential

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 purposes it talks about a neighborhood character so in those situations as well

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 there's you know a different host of sure but whatever you can provide would

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 be okay yeah we can do maybe a planning 301 that's a deeper dive into kind of

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 the analysis and the process that goes into development review that would be

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 great thanks all right we'll look forward to that not seeing any other

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 items that brings up number seven item seven concluding items does anyone have

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 any concluding items I'll say thank you Commissioner Garland for putting your

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 name in the hat good luck trying to get some sleep in the next three months that

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 will not be happening but thank you I appreciate it anyone else seeing none at

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 710 p.m. this evening I will call this meeting of the Planning and Zoning

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 Commission to a close thank you