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 good afternoon at 5 o' 4 p.m. this Wednesday February 11th I will call the

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 work session of the Denton planning and zoning Commission to order with a quorum

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 present our first item is citizen comments on consent consent agenda items

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 I don't see anyone it moves us to clarification of agenda items for this

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 evening are there any questions on the consent agenda from anyone

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 yes Commissioner McDuff and this may go when we actually vote but I am asking

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 about the traffic study related to the agenda item regarding the plan for the

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 HEB okay so sorry this is the item C and I'm to see this Cameron here consent

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 agenda see yeah that far 25 19 yes so can you explain kind of when the traffic

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 study comes in versus the plot and what that process is so this is a final

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 reply that was already done as a final plot back in prior to 2020 so I'm gonna

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 have to dig a little bit more into that traffic study to answer your question I

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 guess what is your specific question regarding the traffic study so that I

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 can make sure that I have an answer for you we talked about it before we talked

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 about traffic patterns one of my concerns was traffic patterns around

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 that North Lake area in the park they're horrific now when I try to go get my

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 Starbucks or my Panera I could hardly turn in that parking lot so I just ask

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 if wanted we had if there were any has the study been done and I'd like to know

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 the results okay I can do some additional research and I can give you

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 that answer just concerns about traffic okay happy you would you like to pull

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 that item just for a presentation maybe at the meeting I wouldn't have a

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 presentation ready I could answer the question but I wouldn't have a full

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 presentation understood I'm just trying to think when when would be a good time

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 to get that answer so that it's on the record for the public and everything I

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 suppose I yeah we can just ask for questions on the consent agenda in the

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 meeting sure or I I think if you are wanting to just have the answer on the

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 record then pulling it perhaps from consent and then Cameron can pull up the

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 slide with the plot on it and provide that answer I think that would probably

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 be the most appropriate time if you're wanting to get it on record during the

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 regular meeting that would satisfy the requests I'm open to advisement Eric

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 okay yeah let's do that I think that way I won't forget about it okay thank you

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 any other questions on the consent agenda okay not seeing any brings us to

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 our items for individual consideration we have first there is the elected chair

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 and vice-chair we're certainly we'll take a motion and a vote this is

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 something I think that happens yearly now that the secretary made that

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 determination so as I try to bang you with a water bottle you're correct it's

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 just the annual election of the chair and vice-chair okay then ZCP 25 - 38

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 evening chair members of the Commission this is a zoning compliance plan for an

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 indoor outdoor recreation facility in a public restroom essentially the

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 recreation facility is a fitness center the property is approximately 3.9 acres

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 and it's located between Heritage Park and East Park Boulevard about 400 feet

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 south of us 380 within the razor ranch area given this bill a couple of times

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 for this body by now but the zoning compliance plans for the razor ranch

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 area require approval by the plenty and zoning Commission that's why this is

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 before you this evening with that they are meeting all of our criteria for

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 approval as established by the razor ranch ordinances in the DDC and we are

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 recommending approval of this plat at this time I have a fuller presentation

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 for the regular session but I'm happy to help answer any questions that you all

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 may have right now any Commissioner McDuff

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 my point on this miss Heinz is in a question who is responsible for the

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 upkeep of the outdoor park that's one and then will you add that who is

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 responsible for the upkeep of the public restrooms attached to that yes so that

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 is a public park that is the maintenance and ownership of the city of didn't

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 parks team and that restroom will be constructed by the developer the

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 maintenance and the dedication ownership of it will be transferred to the Parks

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 Department for the city of Den as well okay thank you not seeing any more

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 questions thank you that brings us to PP 25 - 5d good evening chair and

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 commission PP 25 - 5d is a preliminary plat for a residential development down

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 on Bonnie Bray they are not yet fully in compliance they had to solve a issue

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 with a gas well plot so we need to give them a little more time to do that so

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 staff is recommending denial but has no opposition to the requested extension as

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 we believe it gives some time to finish up those last few things this is the

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 fourth extension yes it turns out tracking down who's operating a gas well

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 plat years later is not the fastest process in the world yeah it doesn't

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 surprise me any questions on this okay thanks John brings us to 4d FP 26 - 1

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 good evening plan zoning Commission here present a final plat for a approximately

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 120 acre track located in the city of Denton's ETJ on the north side of

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 cancer Road this plat at the time doesn't meet our criteria for approval

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 however we have no objection to an extension granted to a date certain of

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 February 25th 2026 and here to answer any questions questions I just want to

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 confirm in case public or reading the agenda and confused the the DNT

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 interchange that's a business name or a project name it has nothing to do with

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 Dallas North Tollway is that correct correct okay I don't see any questions

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 thanks Matt brings us to our public hearings 5a is z 25 - 25 that is

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 requested to be postponed to our next meeting later in February so we will

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 skip over that so we just have one public hearing today 5b s 25 - 14 good

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 evening chair members of the Commission Bryce Van Arsdale assistant planner

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 this is a request for a specific use permit related to outdoor storage

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 located about 1150 feet west of interstate 35 west and it's about 287

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 feet north of Metro Street the purpose is to separate an existing outdoor

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 storage accessory use from the primary use which is a concrete batch plant this

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 request is consistent with the industrial commerce future land use

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 designation and as well as the goals and policies set forth the comprehensive

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 plan I'll stand for any questions but I do have a larger presentation during the

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 public hearing questions Commissioner Macduff yes just a comment this is the

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 kind of request I like to see it does not involve the degradation of a green

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 space and there's no data center on here so just I think it's a good use of a

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 parking lot any other questions I'm not seeing any thanks price okay that

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 brings us to our we have two work session reports today item 3a is pz 26

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 - 22 receive report hold a discussion regarding implementation of the 2040

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 comprehensive plan good evening Julie Wyatt

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 all right Julie Wyatt principal planner and I am giving you your annual ish

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 update to the comprehensive plan this is something that we like to do mostly on

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 an annual basis to talk about how the comprehensive plan has been implemented

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 so we'll get started as a reminder I know we've talked about this before but

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 the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan gives us a roadmap for how the city can

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 achieve the vision that the community has established that roadmap is embedded

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 in all of the elements of the plan and and includes the goals the policies

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 which define those goals and then ultimately the actions which are those

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 specific steps to help us achieve the policies the goals and then that vision

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 the highlighted items on your screen and yellow those are the the numbers that

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 that accompany each goal or I'm sorry each action and those are just in the

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 plan so when you see a three number designation that just means it's an

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 action oh and just the comprehensive plan has 546 actions in it which is a

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 lot 19 of those were actually accomplished before the adoption of the

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 comprehensive plan so really it's 527 12 and 527 but overall it's 546 okay so

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 there are 10 elements to the comprehensive plan element 10 chapter 10

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 is the action plan and this provides us a suggested framework to measure the

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 progress but the the text says it's not set in stone it really is just kind of

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 that suggested framework it synthesizes all of those actions into 253 key

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 actions so it combines a lot of the actions into two summaries of those

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 actions it also sets time frames for those so like like other area plans or

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 comprehensive plans you have your short your medium your long and then your

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 ongoing actions and these key actions have been instrumental in our previous

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 reporting it's it's how we have measured our progress on our comprehensive plan

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 but there have been some reporting changes that the city of Denton has

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 instituted and so we're kind of retooling all of it and and starting anew

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 with our reporting the city has adopted a a technological solution to to monitor

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 a variety of plans and strategic initiatives within the city so this

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 isn't just related to the comprehensive plan it's it's really related to all of

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 those actions and plans that the city has undertaken the purpose of this is

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 to really find kind of a turnkey solution for transparency and so we can

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 really check our progress and it links all of these items so that when you know

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 some of the plans are you know have similar goals or or actions or strategies

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 and it will allow if you're making progress on one plan it would

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 automatically kind of update the other plans so we can see how the progress

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 cumulate accumulates it also establishes reporting deadlines and

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 guidelines kind of creates a more rigorous framework for the different

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 departments to provide those updates for the comprehensive plan these updates are

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 assigned and then the members of the departments would would provide a blurb

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 and and and let us know how far along they've gotten on that action so as we

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 were putting the comprehensive plan into this this tool and it's called the

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 back-end software is called Invisio so if I say Invisio it's really the same

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 thing as we were looking to put all of these key actions in Invisio we found

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 that the summarizing and the synthesizing of those actions were just

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 too broad to really measure in the way that this framework measures so instead

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 we broke all of them apart back to their component parts and have put all of the

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 546 527 actions into Invisio so that we can monitor them independently and

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 separately so it's been a really big project we've had some we've had some

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 you know making sure that we are organizing it correctly we we did we

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 did a variety of ways and ultimately this this was the the most straightforward

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 way to present the information as part of this project we also had what we

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 called the road show last year and that was talking to the different departments

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 about the comprehensive plan reminding them of how the comprehensive plan works

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 how they can use those goals policies and actions in order to achieve their

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 department strategic initiatives or their policy provide support for their

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 policy direction so it just kind of went through and talked with the different

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 departments also just you know ask them you know how are the priorities well you

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 questions so trying to understand the concerns and how it all fits together so

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 we've got a summary and this is once again it's not it's kind of apples to

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 oranges to previous reporting I'm looking at Commissioner Pruitt because I

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 know he's heard a few of these so when we broke apart the key actions into

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 their individual actions we ended up with 228 short mid and long-term actions

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 318 ongoing and when you think of ongoing think of things just work you

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 know the things that the city does or that staff does on a day-to-day basis in

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 terms of the initiatives as well as maybe policy decisions that we come to

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 the Planning and Zoning Commission or City Council for that really help us

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 implement the comprehensive plan but they don't have a distinctive start

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 middle and stop day overall when we look at all of the reporting and all of the

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 information that the various departments have provided we've determined that

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 staff has made progress on or have worked on 389 individual actions and

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 that includes the ongoing so it is the combined ongoing with the short middle

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 and long-term actions and that's about 73% of the plan so it's a pretty good

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 percentage that we're we're looking at the comprehensive plan on a on a

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 day-to-day basis to make sure it's our guiding document I do want to give a

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 caveat in your in your backup material the reports that were provided to you

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 chapter and then by policy and action so it kind of gives you that almost the

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 the outline of the comprehensive plan it also includes some boxes of overall

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 summary those were they're not as effective and communicating information

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 right now I believe that those summaries will be really impactful as we build

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 upon these reports through this system so I would not take those to the bank

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 instead I would pay more attention to that information that the various

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 while at some point will be built really beneficial just today don't really give

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 thought it would be best to go ahead and just provide some highlights based upon

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 the different chapters or elements so here we go element two is our land use

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 it's it's a chapter that the planning department spends a lot of time in and I

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 want to talk about four actions that we have worked on in the last year first

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 streamline the approval process if you aren't aware about five or six years ago

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 the development services department created a project facilitation team and

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 that that is a team that helps developers get from idea all the way to

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 construction so they really do shepherd the project through the process helping

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 coordinate a developer or property owner with the various city departments they

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 have done an amazing job streamlining the process and helping people get

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 through helping understand and making sure we're we're getting all of the

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 the relevant information to the developers and in fact last year they

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 touched over 355 projects and that's three people so they are extremely busy

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 getting comments out to people answering questions and in meetings they're always

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 looking for process improvements and last year they instituted a new and

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 improved review process where instead of giving lists of comments that we used to

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 do we used to just write out our comments now we're providing up markups

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 to developers it just gives that visual representation of what we need them to

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 do in order to fix the plat or the site plan what have you action two point nine

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 we worked on that action last year area plans for centers and corridors some of

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 the existing land uses the mobility the economic development goals and also

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 talked with the surrounding property owners to make sure we had the

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 comprehensive future land use map correct it actually resulted in in an

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 update to the comprehensive plan and then finally I want to talk about

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 promoting the stability and quality of commercial areas and addressing

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 obsolescence as part of working on the implementation of this action staff has

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 created an inventory of underutilized and abandoned big-box bases within the

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 city this has developed a key list of these commercial sites and all of them

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 are were constructed or renovated prior to 1996 and they would be perfect infill

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 opportunities so we are continuing to evaluate those sites as well as our

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 urban design goals our economic development goals to make sure that our

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 development standards are consistent with those goals in terms of that type

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 demographic changes that will help inform updates to our active

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 transportation component of our mobility plan which they have applied for a grant

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 for so they've been working on setting the stage for that going forward our

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 stakeholders community members city leadership while this project is on hold

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 pending further direction from the budget direction from the budget

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 process and they are doing work behind the scenes so when it's ready to go

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 they'll they'll get going on that community character calls for art and

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 music venues in vacant or underutilized spaces in downtown our economic

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 development department continues to monitor and study those vacancies in

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 downtown as well as putting together finding those businesses and those

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 spaces that fit together and trying to put those two two entities together to

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 to create a winning situation for all and then create guidelines for

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 residential areas to establish unity and distinctive architecture you're all

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 familiar with a southeast end area plan and the residential overlay that's been

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 in progress for the last year with public input and drafting and talking

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 with with the planning and zoning Commission and that's consistent with

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 that action plan or that action item and then finally updating historic

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 resources survey if you aren't aware a historic resource survey was completed on

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 the Southridge neighborhood in the city of Denton and it included in community

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 meetings and included pop-ups at National Night Out the the survey team

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 went out and looked at every single property within the survey area took

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 pictures looked at the architectural styles did research on Southridge the

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 people who live there it's a really interesting survey and document if you

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 are interested you can look at the link and that will take you to the survey and

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 you can read it element five parks conservation environment action five

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 point nine point nine talks about minimizing erosion clear cutting and

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 sedimentation the DDC has erosion and sediment controls actually above what

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 TCEQ requires however they have been working in the last year on updating the

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 criteria manual to make sure that they are clarifying those interim grading

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 plans and also to in order to reduce that sedimentation also in element five

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 there's an action to coordinate the development of greenways and trails and

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 floodplains some of you might be aware of the concrete trail that our parks

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 department has been working on it now is funded and they are they've been working

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 to get together a to go to council with a contract to start that full design of

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 that project and that is that concrete trail will go all the way from east of

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 Woodrow and then almost toward downtown through southeast Denton through the

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 floodplain so it's going to be a really great project and I know that they're

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 looking forward to getting that underway and then this element also talks about

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 new park facilities coordinated with other community facilities this is one

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 of my favorite projects so the Parks Department has worked with Denton ISD to

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 make sure everybody gets what they need at the Borman Elementary and and Denia

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 Park area so Borman Elementary Denton ISD wanted to rebuild it what they did is

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 they worked with parks to do a land swap so that the new Borman Elementary is

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 being constructed on the south side of the Denia Park once that's completed then

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 the old Borman Elementary will be torn down and that will be turned into a

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 soccer field so it really does you know coordinate these two uses make sure we

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 have additional connectivity and it's it's really a great project you should

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 go take a look at it element six is mobility our transportation department

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 is very busy and one project that they've been working on is vision zero if

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 you're not familiar with vision zero it is a it is a plan to eliminate fatalities

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 and serious injuries in our transportation network they've done a

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 lot of work on the on the ground floor and the data on this in the last year

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 looking at the crash rate ratio as well as those final high injury network roads

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 so looking at where those those high injury roads are within the city then

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 they they researched the roadway safety countermeasures things that could be done

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 to those roads in order to increase safety gone to the community both in

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 public meetings as well as online to find out what they what they liked or

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 didn't like about the those countermeasures they've also been working

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 with their task force I believe they had four meetings last year three or four

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 meetings so they've done a lot of work they still have to complete the plan but

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 they are working toward completion oh and if you are interested when you get

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 the slides there is a link to their discuss denton page you could take a

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 look at it element seven housing and neighborhoods one facet of that is to

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 integrate public art into the planning and design of city facilities these two

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 projects have been great in southeast denton I have first the MLK community

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 mural project through grant funding the MLK junior recreation center has been

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 working with the community to design two murals for the exterior of that

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 building they've asked the community like what are your art styles do you like

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 what what kinds of things do you want to see in those murals so they have been

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 working through that public engagement once that's completed they'll then go

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 forward and start working on actually installing that mural another art

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 project is was something with the American Legion Hall senior center and

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 they coordinated with the art room and and with a community art project and if

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 you haven't gone to see that you should it includes three pieces a quilt that

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 was that was sewn by the community there was there's a painting and that there's

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 also a bench in order to beautify and elevate the underrepresented voices of

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 seniors veterans in the black community that was the purpose of it so it's a

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 great project you should go take a look at it element eight is community health

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 safety and services our environmental services department launched in July of

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 last year their air quality dashboard and this allows community members to

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 refer to this website to look at the the weekly average data for each sensor and

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 pollutant so there are sensors throughout the city and they measure

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 different things things like ozone or wind speed or other pollutants and

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 provide that information to the community also provide some links to

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 information so if you aren't aware of what that pollutant is or maybe the

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 potential impacts you can go ahead and do some research I have a link to that

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 website on on your slides and then finally element nine I did not put all

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 of the action items in because there's the criteria manual really kind of takes

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 care of a lot of those so the criteria manual if you're not aware is a

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 companion to the Denton Development Code it outlines engineering standards and

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 guidelines for development and construction in the city of Denton in

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 years past we had a separate criteria manual for for transportation water

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 wastewater drainage what they did in 2024 is combine all of those into one

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 really well organized document they they published this document in July of 2024

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 but it's it's their goal to stay on top of the updates for it so last year our

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 engineering folks went through the criteria manual looked at things that

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 needed to be updated or clarified and have gone through that process as well

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 as the public engagement it was adopted in January of this year I believe and it

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 will be it will be effective in March so we've gone all over the elements but the

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 work continues generally you can expect that all the departments will provide

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 updates on these comprehensive plan elements on a yearly basis there may be

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 some there at a little quarterly or more than yearly depending on maybe it's a

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 department initiative but generally assume yearly staff is going to

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 continue to improve this this information within this in Visio

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 dashboard making sure our information delivery our reporting and

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 classification of action items are are are clear and transparent and provide

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 that information to the community and then just one other thing you might want

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 to look at there are also dashboards for the southeast in the area plan and the

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 design downtown didn't plan so you can also check on those as well there's a

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 variety of them I have a link to that dashboard on the on the slide so you can

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 look at it there and then finally I'm not sure if everybody saw the video from

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 City Council a few meetings ago that kind of celebrated all of the things

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 that the city did in the last year we're not going to watch it it's eight minutes

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 long but you are welcome to go look at it it's really neat and I I recommend as

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 you look at it and with that I will be happy to answer any questions questions

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 Commissioner Dyer well I do kind of have questions but first I just want to say

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 you guys do a lot like this is a lot so kudos to the entire city staff because

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 obviously there are a lot of moving parts to what happens here that I think

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 you know like your layperson has no idea but looking at all of this and I know

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 that this gets revised so you know right now we're in the 2040 plan at some point

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 is it the 2050 plan is that like the next plan that goes I'm gonna look at

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 Haley for that question what and like when does that happen so general rule of

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 thumb is like every five to seven years we try to start working on the next

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 update to it not sure if we'll go with like a 45 or a 50 most likely 10-year

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 horizon so probably a 2050 plan would be the next step but we we have started

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 applying for grant funding in conjunction with our transportation team

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 that Julie referenced they're really great at finding grants for all of these

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 sorts of things so we're working on getting money to do that mobility plan

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 and comprehensive plant update concurrently hopefully we're starting

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 that the next year or two okay so so this is basically four years old and in

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 looking at like what we got in our agenda packet it says here that since

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 the adoption that the city has made progress on 69 specific actions

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 approximately 30% of the plan is that correct because then I saw some other

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 numbers that were higher than that well and that is the caution on those

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 summaries so when I wrote the staff report I was really looking at those

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 summaries after I after we went through that I kind of went back and looked

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 through individually each item and so it's the translation from the key action

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 items to this reporting system has been challenging and so I I hesitate to say

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 specifically all of these items have been done is that because of the

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 program that you guys use that like there's some flaws in it no and it

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 actually it's been really interesting I'm doing this so you're right our

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 comprehensive plan was adopted four years ago and that was actually really

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 just an update to our 2015 plan it was Tina used to say it was a light touch on

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 that and so the the plan wasn't really set up for this kind of specificity and

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 reporting we've we've learned a lot of lessons and I assume that the update

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 will have will will kind of be drafted in a way where we really are looking at

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 a way how we're going to really measure these actions so I don't remember your

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 question well I'm just I'm just kind of looking at all of this information and

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 you know we got two different documents we got the ongoing action report and

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 then we also got the ongoing or the action progress report and it looked

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 like almost the same thing but one was like 80 some pages and one was like a

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 hundred and forty four pages and so it was very overwhelming you know to look

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 at all that and then I was looking at thirty percent of the plan and yes and I

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 remember you saying like you know because this is going to get reviewed in

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 like the next one to four years for possibly 2050 so like do you ever hit

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 the goal like 30 percent 40 percent like what is the goal to hit the goal you

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 know do you hope that all these items would have happened by 2040 but then

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 we're really gonna now be talking about 2050 like that is a really great

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 question I'm sorry it's a lot but it's just my brain I'm just like and I'm a

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 pay I'm a personally I like paper I like tangible I like to be able to look

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 through things so it's very hard for my how I process information to just yeah

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 to just look at like I would love to have some of these things that we talk

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 about refer to I'd love to have a big old binder with those things you know

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 like the four or five inch binder so I can be looking at all of that stuff and

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 you know when we're getting ready for these meetings because going on to the

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 lengths like for me it just doesn't do it for me and and I know it's I'm sure

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 it's a cost-effective saving because that's just so much paper and we're

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 trying to save the trees and all of that but the trees help me when I'm trying to

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 figure this stuff out so that's what I'm just trying to figure is like when we're

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 looking at all these goals and this was like 2015 plan and you know all of this

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 got added on to it so now we're like really 2040 and in a couple years we're

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 gonna be talking about 2050 so how do you know when you've really achieved it

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 um and you know because of the updates I'm not sure you ever achieve it but you

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 really you want to make sure that you are working toward that goal and

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 especially those items and I would your your backup had two two exhibits one was

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 the short mid and long-term actions and then the the second one was the ongoing

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 and I would kind of separate those two in your mind and that the ongoing really

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 is though it includes those day-to-day things that staff does to in order to

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 achieve what the community's vision has been established the short and mid and

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 long-term items action items you know they they um we we work every day to

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 achieve them but in one of them that I think of there's one of them that says

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 create area plans for mixed use and corridor districts that that is just an

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 on it is it is an action but it also is something we're gonna continually do

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 find different corridors different areas that we feel like need area planning and

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 so that is one of those where it's an action but it just may never get done

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 because there's always a new place or an our new update something to look at does

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 that make sense yes and I guess as somebody who you know sits on on this

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 board and we don't have the day-to-day workings or the understandings or the

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 expertise you know we do rely on city staff because this is you guys have that

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 but when you talked about like in all the different departments you have to

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 routinely go and remind them hey I'm assuming it's like hey this is exists

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 these are the things you should be working on this is what this is where

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 we're at in the progress road to all of this do we have too many goals is it

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 better to more have your goals more concise so that way ever you know when

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 you have this and it can be so overwhelming and people are having a

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 hard time keeping track of it all is it better when we get ready to do the 2050

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 plan to really hone in and do shorter sweeter items that can be more

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 achievable and everybody is working together like broad is not always

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 better I and Haley can tell me if I'm wrong it some of it is aspirational and

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 so we want to always be trying to achieve these goals that the community

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 has set we may we may not always get exactly to that point but we always want

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 to continue to strive toward meeting those goals in terms of the overwhelming

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 nature and the other departments yes there are a lot but remember the

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 comprehensive plan it also includes a variety of other plans like the parks a

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 master plan and the mobility plan and so all of these different plans inform each

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 other and so while they may be separate plans a lot of their goals and actions

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 are coordinated in and similar so while we do want to talk to the different

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 departments about hey the comp plan they often have their own plans that are very

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 similar to those goals and actions in the comprehensive plan so and I know

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 we'll bring Charlie up if he wants to answer yeah Julie made the point that I

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 was gonna make to is that each of these departments have a lot of like climate

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 action plan or the mobility plan has its own goals and stuff that tie back into

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 this but I do think the goal structure is we have a lot of goals and they're

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 they're not all achievable and they also don't have any costs associated with

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 them as well so I think as we're looking towards a future update that we we need

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 to be more realistic with what's achievable to get done what's feasible

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 cost-wise to complete because the area plans is right but that also is a few

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 hundred thousand dollar commitment that we had to do to complete those area

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 plans and though those also have goals associated with them that should you

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 know everybody should be working towards achieving and so just just to put some

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 context behind it when we look at going into this future update is to look at

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 what all goals we have in other master plans when those master plans were

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 updated and try to make this a really comprehensive look at what we can do as

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00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,520
 a city moving forward in this next comprehensive plan well I would just

446
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:44,560
 like to encourage when we get ready to do this that again that you really take

447
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,320
 a deep dive that there's not a lot of redundancy especially if some of these

448
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,960
 other departments have their own comprehensive plan I mean unless

449
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,080
 there's a couple things that you know the committee that oversees all of this

450
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:05,800
 feels like it's not being met but your community and I am predicting guessing I

451
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:13,480
 would assume that your community would much rather see less plans or less goals

452
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,040
 that you guys achieve than all these things you know you got a hundred

453
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:22,640
 things but maybe only achieved you know fifty of them where if you instead of

454
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,200
 having a hundred maybe you achieved seventy and then your time and effort

455
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,580
 maybe you could achieve more of the seventy of them because more time energy

456
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:40,840
 money is putting is put forth on a smaller amount that's more doable yeah

457
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,280
 and I'll say that that's an effort that we're gonna all have to have that

458
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:52,200
 conversation with community because there there are we're gonna have to pick

459
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,040
 one thing over the other and so we'll have to go through the effort of

460
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,200
 prioritizing some of these things and not everybody's things gonna get on the

461
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:07,320
 list you know there's 546 it's a lot of a lot of goals there and so there will be

462
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,080
 some things that we won't just we won't be able to do in that time frame well I

463
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,200
 think it's the Rolling Stones that said you can't always get what you want

464
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:23,240
 Commissioner Riggs yeah so I just kind of wanted to comment on on your comments

465
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:28,240
 and whatever I go and think about about this this is a long-range master plan

466
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:33,400
 and so you want to always be planning for the long-range future but yeah I

467
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,560
 think of it like the state water plan is every five years they go and update

468
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,160
 their 50-year plan because everything changes and so you need to have your

469
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,920
 long-range goals and then you need to have your short-range action items but

470
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,840
 you know the way development comes in communities opinions of things all those

471
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,720
 things change and so you kind of want to make make progress for that long-range

472
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,160
 goal but also know that sometimes that's a moving target right and so you've got

473
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,200
 to be able to adjust it and so that is a lot of goals I will definitely admit

474
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,600
 that but I think one of things when we're thinking about it is you know that

475
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,760
 some of those are way out in the future and if and if the citizenry opinion

476
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,840
 never changes then you will eventually get there but we also know that that

477
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:22,340
 changes so that is kind of a moving target to Commissioner McDuff yes

478
00:44:22,340 --> 00:44:28,360
 chair prove it say out loud to me again what we've talked about in the last

479
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:34,040
 couple the last couple months of last year we talked about continuing doing

480
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:40,080
 revisions and making amendments to the comprehensive plan land use and then

481
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:48,320
 rezoning am I correctly linking those together and the need to look at this as

482
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,280
 a public and revise instead of continually doing and changing and doing

483
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,720
 amendments to this you we had several proposals with our large developments

484
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:05,880
 that we voted that we had lengthy discussion on sure so just to make sure

485
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,280
 I'm we're tracking with you are you referring to the applications where

486
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,600
 there's a simultaneous application for a comprehensive plan amendment and the

487
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:19,000
 zoning amendment yes and land use change correct so were those the three that we

488
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,160
 were concerned about there were three proposals coming at once I think in the

489
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,440
 cases we've seen over the last year it's it's been a mobility plan change along

490
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:36,680
 with the comp plan land use there's the compute comp plan future land use map

491
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,320
 there's the comp plan mobility plan map even though we also have a separate

492
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:48,360
 mobility plan and then there's the the zoning change right yeah okay all right

493
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,840
 well I'm I'm still concerned about that I had a lot of time to think well we were

494
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,080
 in the ice and you know I missed a meeting so I'm still curious about all

495
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:07,120
 that but I will say I see your point in that instead of continually revising

496
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,800
 things to have a comprehensive a comprehensive review of the

497
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:23,360
 comprehensive plan an update so for the citizens to to have a serious input I

498
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:31,840
 have a couple sorry first of all that I think this will be an easy one can you

499
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,280
 explain what the difference in the the status markings are of pending and

500
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:45,680
 upcoming on in the in the in the pending is is has been determined it would be a

501
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:55,520
 a a a mid-range goal and so it hasn't yet gone into the reporting system it's

502
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,560
 it's in there but it won't be acted on or they won't be reported on until next

503
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:07,920
 year okay we we base the system on those short mid long time frames so that

504
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,760
 really well while in looking through those reports you can see that city staff

505
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:18,880
 has worked on a lot of those mid-range projects they they really aren't being

506
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:24,780
 necessarily tracked or reported on until next year which would be when that that

507
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:30,920
 would start okay no that that helps so so therefore upcoming suggests that we

508
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:37,360
 actually have hopes to be able to start on it within this this or next fiscal

509
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:44,160
 year essentially well and that in using that comprehensive plan and that action

510
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:50,240
 plan as that guide is really how we we structured this once again remember

511
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,140
 element 10 it was really a recommendation for a framework we did

512
00:47:55,140 --> 00:48:00,600
 use those time frames when we when we broke apart those actions we really

513
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,080
 applied those time frames that the action plan had already assigned to

514
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:12,180
 those actions but but there may be some tweaking that needs to be done okay no

515
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:18,440
 I appreciate that I really appreciate all the questions and comments to you

516
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,320
 know talk about priorities when Charlie is talking about how many actions do we

517
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:31,080
 have I I honestly think that the biggest need that we're gonna have as we look

518
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:37,520
 forward to the next big update is to cull things down and have clear

519
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:44,320
 priorities because I think that the the overabundance of things that we could

520
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:55,840
 point to has caused a lack of focus on what the clear top priorities are I also

521
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:01,200
 think that and and you can feel free to try to convince me otherwise as we get

522
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:13,180
 started on this in a year or so but the the ongoing actions to me I think you

523
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:17,920
 said something at the beginning about we've learned through this that not all

524
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,940
 the actions we wrote within this plan and I know this goes back to the 2030

525
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:29,080
 plan were measurable right and I think many of our ongoing actions fall into

526
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,840
 that camp whereby if you spend a few minutes with them you can probably come

527
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:42,320
 up with a hey let's establish a process for this right as opposed to do this all

528
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:48,480
 the time right if if I've learned one thing from being here it's that the city

529
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,020
 loves processes and and that's necessary when you have a larger organization

530
00:49:54,020 --> 00:50:04,280
 right but just just as an example the one of those ongoing actions was the one

531
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:10,680
 to basically look at the the cost of maintenance and reconstruction of road

532
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,600
 ways when building new roads and and widening them and and I know you said

533
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:22,200
 that not all these comments are exactly where we are right now but I just want

534
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:28,040
 to read the response and see if that's true it says the city incorporates the

535
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,800
 cost of regular road maintenance and reconstruction when estimating the total

536
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,320
 cost of building and widening roads this approach ensures that long-term expenses

537
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,720
 are considered upfront rather than focusing solely on initial construction

538
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,680
 costs by evaluating and adopting road construction methods that minimize

539
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,960
 lifecycle costs the city advances fiscal responsibilities sustainable

540
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,560
 infrastructure and resilient community growth I would love if that were true I

541
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:58,760
 have never seen a report to council for a construction of a roadway include any

542
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,640
 of those figures so so my point is not to like hey let's beat up on this one

543
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:09,160
 thing my point is that it's it's very easy when you have a large organization

544
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:17,400
 of too few people trying to do too much work that an ongoing action turns into

545
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,640
 well let me think about how we do this already and then we'll check it off

546
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:29,560
 whereas if we if we identify clear things that we can do to start changing

547
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:35,560
 the culture and the processes so that we get to the goal as opposed to checking

548
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:46,840
 it off the list I think we would get more actionable results right so thank you

549
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:55,280
 sorry any other questions comments I'm certainly looking forward to moving

550
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,300
 forward and and I don't mean to minimize the amazing amount of work that staff

551
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:06,960
 has done I know it's been a years-long process to get this into and video and

552
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:14,160
 and and like you said I think it's it's even though it's been a mixed bag as far

553
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,880
 as how useful it's been in this round I think the value is really truly in

554
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:24,400
 teaching us how we should set goals how many we should have the need for

555
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:36,760
 priority as we go forward so yes yes mm-hmm okay thank you thank you yes okay

556
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:45,200
 we do have food here and we've got one more work session report so it is five

557
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,080
 fifty six now we'll take an eight minute recess to grab food and then come back

558
00:52:50,080 --> 00:53:00,160
 and finish the last work session report at 6 o 4 p.m. we'll reconvene at our

559
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:11,580
 work session next item is 3b pz 26 - 24 good evening associate planner here to

560
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:18,640
 present zoning 201 all right so question we're looking to answer tonight is in

561
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,440
 part so your zoning has changed does that mean everything has changed what

562
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,040
 has actually changed and one of the things we want to touch on is when y'all

563
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:32,040
 see a plan development a PD or an SUP you get a lot of details you find out a

564
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,320
 lot about how it's going to look on a normal zoning case you don't see much of

565
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,080
 that and so it could feel like oh my goodness it's the Wild West they're just

566
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,400
 gonna go build things so part of what we want to highlight is all of the things

567
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,040
 that we are always reviewing even if you're only approving a zoning change

568
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,960
 there are many many rules that we're looking at on a regular basis and also

569
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,660
 look at those things that zoning does change versus the things that stay the

570
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:58,920
 same things we're always going to check no matter what the zoning is we want to

571
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,200
 look a little bit just at what our base zoning districts are so you have clarity

572
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,320
 when we're talking about like how man what is an r7 how can I find out more

573
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,640
 about that and then just a discussion on some of those specific regulations in

574
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,960
 kind of the lens of is this something zoning changes or is this one of those

575
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,820
 things that is really not affected by zoning all that much it's driven by very

576
00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:22,560
 different factors so just so you have a better sense of what we're looking at on

577
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,440
 a day-to-day basis as planners so you also have that confidence that when

578
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,880
 you're approving a zoning change and it's going to be kind of by the book

579
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:36,940
 what that book is what we're checking so I am a suit fan and I have a friend

580
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:40,440
 many years ago said all right when you have three buttons how do you know which

581
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:47,160
 ones to button and the answer is sometimes always rarely or never so you

582
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,400
 can use this if it helps you you can forget it if not but when when you are

583
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,040
 asked the question did my zoning changed what did that change the answer is well

584
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:03,320
 some things it sometimes changes other things always change some things rarely

585
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,640
 change so for instance your dimensional standards the setbacks the height

586
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,120
 limitations that's always going to be a little different when zoning changes

587
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,080
 always the mix will always be a dip a little bit different so if you're

588
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,840
 wondering what sets my height zoning it's going to change versus something

589
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,400
 like landscape standards sometimes they're gonna stay fairly similar across

590
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,320
 a whole range of districts sometimes some things about them will change so

591
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,120
 for instance the required landscape percentage that's usually going to be

592
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:38,680
 different by zoning district other parts of it will stay the same parking almost

593
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,240
 never changes the parking that's required for a given use no matter what

594
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,680
 the zoning district is it's going to be the same similar with tree preservation

595
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480
 tree preservation is gonna be that your zoning changes you have to preserve

596
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,600
 trees doesn't matter it stays the same so if you're worried about one of those

597
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,020
 things in the red category bear in mind that a zoning change isn't going to do

598
00:55:56,020 --> 00:56:00,560
 much to that that's going to be enforced across the board so sometimes always

599
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:06,480
 never now our base zoning districts so we have that whole list there and that

600
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:12,080
 is within our code you can pull that up that's all of the districts we have a

601
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,880
 zoning district is a property classification that determines permitted

602
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,400
 uses and certain basic development standards for each property within that

603
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:26,000
 classification the key here is that a zoning district should be consistent

604
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,360
 across the entire city so our three on the north side of the city are three on

605
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,200
 the south side of city the rules are the same you have a consistent expectation

606
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,560
 of what you are getting in that zoning district so if you ever want to look at

607
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,800
 that DDC sub chapter 3 every one of these is in there and it includes a

608
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,680
 couple things the purpose so what is this good for what is the goal of this

609
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,840
 district what should you find there so I put up an example r7 tells you r7 you

610
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,360
 should have a variety of housing types it should allow for both neighborhood

611
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:01,460
 serving retail parks and schools and housing you should maintain neighborhood

612
00:57:01,460 --> 00:57:05,040
 character provide a safe environment for pedestrian cyclists it can support

613
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,040
 compatibility between single-family neighborhoods and higher intensity mixed

614
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,580
 use and non-residential so if you consider a new zoning change we will

615
00:57:12,580 --> 00:57:15,960
 always tell you hey does this align we have to assess and we'll tell you in

616
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,440
 that report does this zoning change fit with the purpose of that district but

617
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,880
 that's something you can always look up yourself as well say hey does this make

618
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:28,240
 sense with the purpose of the r7 district it will also always have

619
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,040
 dimensional standards and I'll show you an example of that in a minute but

620
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,920
 basically that lays out within this district what are the setbacks so how

621
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,760
 far does the building have to be from all the lot lines what is the height

622
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,320
 limitation how much of that lot can you cover with a building so for every one

623
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,640
 of those you'll have dimensional standards and that's the same in every

624
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:51,800
 r3 and every r7 and every MN so those are base zoning districts hopefully

625
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,520
 that's and that is these all differ from versus a PD which will have customized

626
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,880
 elements to it these are the un-customized the rules are what they are

627
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,200
 so dimensional standards as I just mentioned here is an example again r7

628
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:11,400
 this is the table that tells you if you are an r7 lot this is your world this is

629
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,640
 how big your lot needs to be it needs to be at least 4,000 square feet how wide

630
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,840
 does it be how deep how far does the building need to be from the lot lines

631
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,120
 that's going to be the same in every unmodified r7 and we as planners are

632
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,400
 going to check that every time and that's going to limit where and what you

633
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,920
 can do on that lot building height is going to be set building coverage so

634
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:38,360
 taking our always sometimes never always if zoning changes at least one aspect of

635
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,200
 your dimensional standards are going to change it's always gonna be a little

636
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:47,260
 different the our districts are residential ones are 1 2 3 4 a lot of

637
00:58:47,260 --> 00:58:51,160
 those are fairly similar but there's always going to be at least some changes

638
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,880
 sometimes so townhomes are very unique so at times those will change at times

639
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,280
 they won't they're going to be fairly narrow regardless thing that almost

640
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,760
 never changes is within 50 feet of residential district we have

641
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,320
 limitations on the height period those are always there as a protection now I

642
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,480
 also want to highlight key non-zoning factor so adjacent zoning districts and

643
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,440
 uses can drive those dimensional standards they can change them a little

644
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,200
 bit because we have protections on how tall you can build next to residential

645
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,240
 uses so besides zoning sometimes dimensional standards are impacted by

646
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:31,200
 what's next your property allowed uses so this is what can you do in a zoning

647
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,080
 district kind of the original purpose of zoning way back when what are you allowed

648
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,920
 to do here what are you not allowed to do this is our table of allowed uses

649
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,600
 you'll see across the top there are all of those zoning districts so if you scan

650
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,840
 down let's say single-family detached one you see a P plus that means say

651
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,760
 we'll look in our seven there so single-family detached dwelling your house

652
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,640
 that is permitted in our seven but there's a plus there that means if you

653
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,000
 go all the way over to the right you specific standards there's some

654
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:04,080
 additional rules that apply so it's allowed with additional rules P plus in

655
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,240
 some cases not on here but there you'll have a P with no plus that means it's

656
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,580
 just it is allowed no additional rule it is allowed within that district and then

657
01:00:12,580 --> 01:00:16,960
 s means it requires a specific use permit so where y'all often see that is

658
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,240
 in our seven a multifamily development is permitted but it has to have an SUP

659
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,640
 so that means it's going to come to y'all before it can be built it has to

660
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,560
 have one of those special permits that you get to look a little bit deeper and

661
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,920
 the idea is there it's permitted if it's done right so it should there should be

662
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,600
 a way to do it but it has to be done right and that's where y'all come in and

663
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,640
 City Council comes in to say hey is it being done right in this district so

664
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,640
 permitted SUP and then if it's blank that means it's just not permitted you

665
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,380
 can't do it in that zoning district you can't build it there so going back to

666
01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:53,680
 our always sometimes never so always the mix of uses if you get rezoned is going

667
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,360
 to change no zoning district allows exactly same uses another so zoning it

668
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,880
 changes what uses are allowed unless it's a use that we just don't allow

669
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:08,400
 anywhere in the code and then you just can't do it use specific standards

670
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,960
 that's those things in that right-hand column so for some uses we have some

671
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:22,120
 additional rules and that's usually either there's some concerns about ways

672
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:27,200
 it could impact what's near you or we have restrictions within certain zoning

673
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:33,620
 districts so for instance we may have rules for medical uses if they're

674
01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:37,560
 located next your neighborhood we had a concern you'd have ambulances coming out

675
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,880
 lights and sirens directly headed towards neighborhood so we added some rules

676
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,840
 about where you can direct vehicles coming out of saying urgent care if it's

677
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,720
 near a neighborhood so that sometimes is going to apply and sometimes it won't

678
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,560
 it'll depend on what you're near so does zoning change or use specific standards

679
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,600
 sometimes sometimes it will change if it's a mixed use standard we may have

680
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,280
 some additional standards that apply if you're going to be downtown versus not

681
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,520
 downtown again for that use sometimes we'll say you can build it up to a

682
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:10,960
 certain size but no more within this zoning district again trying to tailor a

683
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:16,300
 little bit where we see these uses for the most part though there will be a lot

684
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:19,720
 of you specific standards that are the same no matter what zoning district

685
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:25,400
 we're always going to check certain things so how outdoor storage is handled

686
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,480
 with certain vehicle repair uses they're just going to be things we were always

687
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,840
 going to say you can't do that you need to have those things inside zoning

688
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,320
 doesn't really drive that that's just going to be what the rules are this is

689
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:42,120
 also driven by what your use is and what your Jason zoning is so who's around you

690
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,040
 and usually it's are there residences around you if there are there's often

691
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,060
 additional rules and as planners we're checking what are you next to and what

692
01:02:50,060 --> 01:02:54,360
 additional rules do we need to apply so that's where we'll come in someone says

693
01:02:54,360 --> 01:03:01,000
 hey the code says that my use is allowed here and we'll say yes but the building

694
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,680
 you're wanting to do there is too big we have some extra standards so we're

695
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:10,480
 checking that landscape standards so you're real familiar with this minimum

696
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,040
 landscape area and tree canopy on a lot what specific types of landscape elements

697
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,960
 are required what plants you can and can't plant street tree requirements

698
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,760
 buffer requirements one thing that's always going to change if your zoning

699
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,480
 changes you have a different landscape and tree canopy percentages you'll see

700
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:33,660
 on the top there it could be 70% if you're out on a big r1 almost rural lot

701
01:03:33,660 --> 01:03:39,960
 it could be all the way down to say 15% if you're down by the square and a lot

702
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,520
 of landscaping doesn't make sense so those two things are always going to

703
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:49,360
 change if your zoning changes buffer requirements will sometimes but not

704
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,680
 often change generally buffer requirements are going to be the same

705
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,600
 across the city except downtown we recognize having a big landscape buffer

706
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,360
 between two uses doesn't make that much sense you know just don't see that

707
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,460
 otherwise we're checking for those buffers other things that are almost

708
01:04:02,460 --> 01:04:06,640
 never going to change so we're going to require basically the same landscaping

709
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,200
 requirements for commercial use anywhere in the city zoning isn't going to change

710
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,080
 that similarly your single-family use you're going to need to do roughly the

711
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:19,560
 same type of landscaping whether you're in r1 all the way up to r7 landscaping

712
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:26,240
 is fairly zoning neutral we are going to check those landscape standards

713
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,320
 regardless and we set a high standard for landscaping because we have a

714
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,360
 beautiful city and our residents would like it to stay that way as it develops

715
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:39,680
 site design standards basically this is how your how your site is laid out where

716
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,040
 do your buildings go which direction your entrances have to be pointed how

717
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:49,340
 much open space do you have to give this is again not super impacted by what

718
01:04:49,340 --> 01:04:52,680
 your zoning district is it's much more driven by what's your use is it a

719
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:57,320
 commercial or residential use how big is it the development as you're doing a

720
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,000
 large development more requirements come in if you're doing more buildings we're

721
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,680
 going to look at it more closely there's going to be more restrictions you have

722
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:09,800
 to follow open space requirements will kick in based much more on your use not

723
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,000
 based on your zoning there are some so in industrial zoning districts we do

724
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,560
 have some lighter touches because if you're doing an industrial use in

725
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:22,200
 industrial zoning we're a little less concerned about you know what that looks

726
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,320
 like as long as your way step back there's a little more flexibility

727
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,920
 whereas if you're doing an industrial use in some other areas we're going to

728
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,880
 look real close at that so zoning can change that a little bit but for the

729
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,520
 most part site design standards we're taking a good long look at that no

730
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:42,040
 matter what the zoning is it's going to be much more as I noted based on other

731
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,080
 factors than zoning so we're going to be looking real closely about how you laid

732
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,920
 that side out have you met all of those standards similarly with building

733
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,600
 design so this is what does the outside of your building look like does it look

734
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:00,360
 like a bland box or have you given us some nice architectural features you laid

735
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,680
 that out according to our requirements again not real zoning driven we're going

736
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,520
 to be looking at those things intensively no matter where they're being

737
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,120
 building the big driver there is going to be much more is it commercial is it

738
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:15,080
 single-family residential isn't multifamily standards will vary based on

739
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,240
 that more than the zoning so you change from an R7 to an MN we're still going to

740
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:26,040
 look real closely at the architectural features for that sometimes we will look

741
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,400
 a little bit more closely within our mixed-use zoning districts because we're

742
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,620
 wanting to have those buildings closer to the street that's your more downtown

743
01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:35,680
 uses so we're going to have some additional rules that apply in our mixed

744
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,640
 use zoning district say hey those commercial uses you need to not have a

745
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,640
 big parking lot out front of that this is more for the downtown need to pull

746
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,680
 that building up so that it is more walkable similarly with our multi-family

747
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:51,440
 more downtown areas because those zoning districts are intended for areas that

748
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,160
 are denser and supposed to be more walkable so we're going to look more

749
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,220
 closely because of the zoning at how those buildings are designed but for the

750
01:06:58,220 --> 01:07:02,480
 most part no matter where in the city is we're looking at roughly the same set of

751
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:08,280
 building requirements and checking in very carefully on that basis parking as

752
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,960
 I noticed so that's how many parking spaces do you have minimum and maximum

753
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,700
 and where does it have to be located so in some cases there's parts of the city

754
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:21,080
 where we say you can't put that parking between your building and the street but

755
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,160
 that's primarily not driven by zoning it's it is partially but it also

756
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:29,040
 depends on what type of roadways so along a bigger roadway you might see

757
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,880
 more front parking on those smaller roadways we want that to be more

758
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,920
 walkable and not have a big parking lot right next to where someone's wanting to

759
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:43,040
 walk so sometimes zoning will change the parking area location and in the case of

760
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,640
 MD downtown zoning that is the one case where we do say we're not setting

761
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,840
 parking minimums except for large multi-family but in general zoning is not

762
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,400
 going to change parking we're going to force parking rules consistently across

763
01:07:54,400 --> 01:08:01,680
 the city regardless of zoning tree preservation again how many trees do you

764
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,800
 have to preserve on your property how many inches of trees that is not going

765
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,560
 to change based on your zoning we are going to enforce tree preservation

766
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:18,040
 regardless across the board the same way and actually even in a PD still you

767
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,240
 cannot use a PD to change tree preservation tree preservation is what

768
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,800
 it is and you have to follow those rules regardless of your zoning district you

769
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:30,240
 can't find any way around that we enforce it access so that's can we get

770
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:35,960
 safely onto and off the property do you have enough access points for that use

771
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:41,080
 you have safe conditions for vehicles pedestrians that's not again not gonna

772
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,520
 be real heavily impacted by zoning we're gonna check that carefully no matter

773
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,360
 what occasionally pedestrian bike circulation if your zoning is our our

774
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:53,320
 rural residential we are not going to be looking for the same level of sidewalk

775
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:57,480
 and pedestrian paths as we will for the rest of the city so zoning change might

776
01:08:57,480 --> 01:09:01,140
 impact you there understandably but other than that we want to have good

777
01:09:01,140 --> 01:09:04,560
 pedestrian infrastructure and safe ingress and egress no matter what your

778
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,520
 zoning is and so we're gonna look like so again you can bear in mind if you've

779
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,160
 approved a zoning change and you didn't see a lot of details about how the

780
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,600
 access was going to work don't worry we have a long set of rules that we have to

781
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,880
 check against that before they're going to do anywhere and we do lastly

782
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,400
 definitions so this is something that y'all probably have never had to think

783
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,440
 about and we have to think about a weirdly large amount which is what is

784
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:33,920
 that use how do we define it how do we measure so if it says it can be this far

785
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,160
 from something else well how do we measure that is that door to door is

786
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,360
 that property line to property line definition become very important if

787
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,320
 someone says I want to put this use here and we have to figure out well you've

788
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:47,360
 just described that what use is that what you're wanting to do that what box

789
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:53,040
 is that fit in and therefore where can that be built definitions by definition

790
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,420
 need to have the same meaning across the city regardless of zoning so we're not

791
01:09:57,420 --> 01:10:01,440
 going to change the meaning of multifamily or of auto repair because

792
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:05,160
 you're in a different zoning district it is what it is and that's consistency

793
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,920
 for everyone both for citizens for decision-makers and for us so

794
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:14,560
 definitions stays the same so all that say again just to give you a sense of

795
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:19,560
 zoning changes some things but there's a whole lot that we are checking

796
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:24,120
 regardless of what the zoning change is and that applies on things y'all never

797
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,640
 see so things that are by right they have that P in there they come right in

798
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,640
 they get a zoning compliance plan they get it civil plans they get a building

799
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,440
 permit and they build and doesn't come before y'all we are still looking at all

800
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:38,440
 of those rules which reflect the decisions that have been made by past

801
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,880
 councils that reflect the values our community and what we want to see we're

802
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,360
 checking all of those against that even if there's not a detailed PD that goes

803
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:52,580
 with it so happy to answer any questions questions any five minutes commissioner

804
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:59,340
 Riggs do you think you could just quickly kind of describe three different

805
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:03,600
 things that we we almost always see and it seems to be what creates the most

806
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:08,320
 concern from the public of we're considering a zoning change and we

807
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,200
 always hear that's going to increase the traffic that's going to increase

808
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:18,480
 drainage issues or so those obviously too but then also sometimes it seems

809
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:21,780
 like we'll get recommendations to approve a zoning change and it might be

810
01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:26,680
 it almost seems like a multifamily and next to a large rural residential is

811
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,960
 there certain guidelines that we do for the transition I guess three those three

812
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:35,760
 things and that's a lot to unpack there I understand that okay I'm gonna do my

813
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,720
 best and you let me know if I answer you correctly or not so for instance on

814
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:45,480
 draining on drainage yeah absolutely across the backboard no matter what we

815
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:49,360
 are going to look very close to that and folks smarter than me are going to look

816
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,960
 very close to that documentation because we do not allow you to have any negative

817
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:58,040
 drainage impact on the properties around you you have to be able to show that

818
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:03,160
 you're not going to have that impact in terms of one use next to another so for

819
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:07,440
 instance just take multifamily for example we have buffer standards that

820
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:13,320
 apply between a multifamily or basically it's a that that type of use and a

821
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,160
 residential single-family residential use no matter where you are in the city

822
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,920
 that's always going to apply and so we're always going to be looking at that

823
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,040
 and enforcing that to create that greater transition the other thing is

824
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,960
 the height transition so the requirements we have if you are putting a building

825
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:33,240
 next to you a single-family residential we're going to look at that say within a

826
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,720
 certain distance you have to follow the height restrictions not of your zoning

827
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,840
 district but of the single-family district that is next to you for a

828
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:46,240
 certain distance so that you are not putting a giant apartment building right

829
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:52,000
 next to a single-family residence so those things were always going to apply

830
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,800
 regardless and I'm sorry we said drainage you said streets or parking

831
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:02,560
 traffic traffic okay so again that goes to we are always going to require at

832
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:08,440
 least information about traffic generation and based on that we decide

833
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:12,520
 whether we need to have a traffic study traffic impact analysis if it meets

834
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,040
 certain triggers then we have again engineers much smarter than I am that

835
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:20,040
 will look over will tell the applicant you need to have your engineers submit a

836
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,040
 study showing what your impacts will be and then we're going to look at it and

837
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:27,880
 tell you if you did your job well enough and that will include the things that

838
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,360
 development needs to do to mitigate any negative impacts they're having on the

839
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,560
 traffic around them so again a significant amount of studies that's a

840
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,320
 whole separate project type for traffic if you're generating enough trips that

841
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,400
 it's going to have an impact so again yeah looking very closely at what are

842
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,800
 potential negative impacts of that and how do those need to be mitigated before

843
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:51,160
 we can approve this yeah thank you and I guess one of the things too that may be

844
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,400
 the kind of a leading but you know a lot of times whenever we hear public

845
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:59,640
 concerned about drainage and traffic impact is whenever we're deciding whether

846
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,120
 something should be rezoned those studies have not been done yet so it's

847
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,080
 more if you're okay with this going in and they can make the engineering work

848
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,120
 then it'll happen if they can't make the engineering work it doesn't happen yes

849
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,920
 absolutely and that's the same on cases that never come before you were also you

850
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,520
 didn't see them and they're still going through a long and detailed process

851
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,080
 before they're getting to build and I mean those are some of those things it

852
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,480
 may take folks a long time to finally prove that okay we are not going to have

853
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:27,920
 that negative impact or they may just not be able to build because it can't be

854
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,440
 done you can't put that much building on that much lot and if it's not then it's

855
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:39,240
 not mr. Garland I was just gonna say great job I love the visual of the suit

856
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:43,760
 as a mom of four boys I'm glad you finally put that argument to rest of

857
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,600
 how you're supposed to button your jackets and I think we all recognize

858
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,840
 that the great way to retain and remember information has have kind of a

859
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,040
 visual attached to it so I like the creativity and I just wanted to shout

860
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:03,720
 you out for that thank you I'm gonna attempt in a minute and a half to wrap

861
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,400
 up some things and give it a lesson on development economics could you flip

862
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:16,120
 back to your first agenda slide that was very helpful to me yes the is it correct

863
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:21,040
 to say that that those specific regulations under the third bullet those

864
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:26,040
 are things that get applied either after a zoning change or for a by right

865
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:33,040
 application yes okay and when an applicant comes in their pro forma

866
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,280
 typically has what they refer to as hard costs which is building materials and

867
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,440
 paying people to put it on the land and then they have soft costs which is all

868
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:47,120
 the design analysis how are we gonna do it where are we gonna put stuff paying

869
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:52,720
 the architects all that kind of stuff is that kind of how it's split up I cannot

870
01:15:52,720 --> 01:16:00,040
 speak to that just go with me here and and I just want to point out that all of

871
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:06,720
 those bullets under that third bullet are the majority of those soft costs when

872
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:13,100
 an applicant comes in for either a full PD or an SUP most of those things under

873
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:17,660
 the third bullet they have to have done a lot of due diligence on is that a fair

874
01:16:17,660 --> 01:16:22,440
 statement yes okay so just keep in mind commission that those soft costs are

875
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:27,320
 typically on the order of 25 to 30 percent of the project cost and so when

876
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:31,720
 an applicant comes in for an SUP it's not just the six thousand dollar fee to the

877
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:38,280
 city that they're paying it's the many months of delay as well as 30 percent of

878
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,440
 the whole project cost so if it's a hundred million broader project they're

879
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:45,840
 spending thirty million dollars to bring the SUP for us is that that a fair

880
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,560
 statement it is definitely true that they're having to do a lot of that work

881
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:54,760
 on the front end yes okay and just to shout out back to Julie's point earlier

882
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,240
 everything that we do on the facilitation side to improve that is

883
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,120
 exactly for that reason to keep those costs as low as possible so we're doing

884
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:07,240
 a great review without unnecessary cost okay thank you any other questions

885
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:12,280
 Commissioner McDonough just quickly I just want to I think the word is echo

886
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:17,480
 Commissioner Garland said it thanks and a great job Sean I wish I would have had

887
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:22,760
 this at my orientation back in the summer and also behind me miss Julie back

888
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:29,320
 here thanks at a girl to you too and both excellent presentations and slide

889
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:36,520
 decks thank you yeah thank you very much I feel like we're ready to go to go grad

890
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:46,040
 school now at 628 we will call the work session to a close and reconvene in

891
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,600
 council chambers for the regular meeting

892
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:59,280
 good evening at 637 p.m. this Wednesday February 11th I will call this meeting

893
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:05,280
 of the Denton planning and zoning Commission to order with the quorum

894
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:09,720
 present our first item of business is to stand and say the Pledge of Allegiance

895
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,240
 to the u.s. and Texas Flags

896
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:53,400
 honored our next item is to a PZ 26 - 8 consider approval of the January for

897
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:59,280
 January 14th planning and zoning meeting minutes open the floor for a motion

898
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:04,400
 Commissioner Dyer I make a motion that we approve the minutes from January 14th

899
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:11,040
 meeting Commissioner Garland and I will second that the motion and a second not

900
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:26,520
 seeing any questions I'll call for a vote on the board that item passes 7-0 the

901
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:38,200
 consent agenda we're gonna pull item B FP 250040 so if I could have a sorry is

902
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:48,400
 it I'm sorry I put it in the wrong place we're gonna pull item C fr 250019 so

903
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:56,280
 let's we can go ahead and look at that now for questions so I'm going to talk

904
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,840
 about the TIA that was approved in October of 2025 I do have a

905
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:13,560
 presentation if we want to pull it up on the screen okay so I'm just gonna kind

906
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,640
 of highlight the key items here that were approved as part of that TIA in

907
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:23,400
 October 2025 so looking first they are gonna be installing a traffic signal at

908
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,680
 the intersection of the East driveway which is highlighted there in that

909
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:33,160
 lower right-hand corner on us 380 additionally there is going to be

910
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,920
 construction of a northbound right turn lane deceleration lane here at the south

911
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:42,280
 driveway and Bonnie Bray and then lastly there is going to be construction of a

912
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:47,200
 westbound right turn deceleration lane at the middle driveway right here there

913
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:51,800
 is additionally ongoing conversations with our capital improvements group as

914
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:59,160
 well as textile regarding south Bonnie Bray and if there is any additional

915
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:06,720
 questions staff is happy to follow up with MMO any other questions on this

916
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:22,640
 item I don't see any thank you so let's take a motion for item fr25 - 19 for

917
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:32,080
 this final replat Commissioner Ketchers it a motion to approve fr25 0 0 19 and

918
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:40,200
 Commissioner Garland and I will second that motion the motion and a second not

919
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:52,320
 seeing any discussion I'll call for a vote on the board that item passes 7-0

920
01:21:52,320 --> 01:22:01,840
 the the remaining items are just a and B I do have a card and I'm just gonna

921
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:11,440
 allow this is the applicant on 3a fr fp 25 - 28 I think this is the one that that

922
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:19,880
 had four this is the fourth or fifth requested I'm sorry no that's something

923
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:27,400
 else so does does anybody from the Commission have any questions for the

924
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:34,020
 for for 3a for the applicant who is here and available if not I think we can just

925
01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:42,280
 move forward okay so I'll take a motion for the remaining items on the consent

926
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:47,800
 agenda Commissioner Ketchers said a motion to approve the consent agenda

927
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:53,280
 Commissioner Riggs second with the motion and a second not seeing any

928
01:22:53,280 --> 01:23:04,960
 discussion I'll call for a vote on the board that item passes 7-0 brings us to

929
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:12,800
 our items for individual consideration for a PZ 26 - 7 elect a chair and vice

930
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:20,160
 chair for our planning and zoning Commission so I will open the floor for

931
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:29,280
 a motion or discussion Commissioner Riggs I make a motion for you to

932
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:36,200
 continue as chair Commissioner Ketchers said I second that motion I'm glad to

933
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:43,680
 accept I'll try to keep the the riff-raff to a minimum but usually it's

934
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:49,680
 me as opposed to you all kind of causing it any discussion not seeing any I'll

935
01:23:49,680 --> 01:24:03,520
 call for a vote on the board that passes 7-0 and there's any motions

936
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:09,520
 Commissioner McDuff oh yes I'd like to make a motion for Commissioner Riggs to

937
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:14,320
 serve as vice chair very good Commissioner Dyer I'll go ahead and

938
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:25,840
 second that any comments Commissioner Riggs I'll just say I'm glad that that

939
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,880
 we are we get business done but we don't don't get been out of shape so thank you

940
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:40,920
 for the humor not seeing any discussion I'll call for a vote on the board that

941
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:46,880
 item passes 7-0 so we will continue with myself as chair and Commissioner Riggs

942
01:24:46,880 --> 01:25:04,200
 as vice chair the that brings us to 4b ZZP 25 - 38 evening chair members of the

943
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,840
 Commission me a high and senior planner and this is a zoning compliance plan for

944
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:14,200
 crunch fitness the item on the agenda for you tonight is to or they are seeking

945
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:18,560
 approval of this site plan for an indoor outdoor recreation facility and a public

946
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,320
 restroom on a site that's approximately three point eight seven two acres

947
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,960
 located between Heritage Park and I'm sorry here is his trail and East Park

948
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:32,040
 Boulevard approximately 400 feet south of us 380 surrounding the property to the

949
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:36,240
 west is it's all it's within the razor ranch area and so to the west of the

950
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:41,440
 property is retail to the north of the property is retail as well and some

951
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:48,000
 restaurants just east of the property across from East Park Boulevard is a

952
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,360
 multifamily development and then just to the south of the property is a public

953
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:57,800
 park and open space as a part of the razor ranch overlay area so this item is

954
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,920
 zoned within the south commercial district based zoning of the razor

955
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:06,480
 ranch overlay area and that includes permitted uses such as commercial uses

956
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:10,880
 retail and restaurant as well as the proposed recreation and entertainment

957
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:15,360
 uses the reason that this is before you as you all are aware you don't typically

958
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,620
 see zoning compliance plans unless they're attached to like a PD or

959
01:26:18,620 --> 01:26:22,640
 something to that effect this is coming for before you all because as a

960
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:26,440
 requirement of the razor ranch overlay district all properties that are being

961
01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:34,320
 developed south of the West University US 380 Drive is required to seek

962
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,720
 approval for their zoning compliance plans from the planning and zoning

963
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,240
 commission that zoning compliance plan package does come with a site plan a

964
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,520
 landscape plan as well as four-sided building elevations for the proposed

965
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:50,640
 structure here's a criteria for approval that you are supposed to put the site

966
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,360
 plan up against that is that the site plan substantially complies with the

967
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:59,120
 concept and schematic plan approved by the City Council and the the zoning and

968
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,600
 land use layout that was approved with the razor ranch overlay the site plan

969
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,180
 provides for a compatible arrangement of buildings and land uses that would not

970
01:27:06,180 --> 01:27:10,960
 adversely affect adjoining properties or neighborhoods the site plan should

971
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,360
 provide for adequate and safe circulation of vehicular traffic and the

972
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,920
 site plan should fully comply with all other sections of the overlay district

973
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:22,680
 and I will walk you through some of those components now so as proposed the

974
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:27,880
 indoor recreation facility or fitness center is approximately 26,000 square

975
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:32,160
 feet it's a one-story building it's shown here in the brown at the sort of

976
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,960
 north if you are looking at the screen is facing to the right so the building

977
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:41,520
 is at the located at the southeast corner of the property they are also

978
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:46,960
 proposing an outdoor recreation area just to the west of the property in this

979
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,760
 area here and then they are also proposing to construct a public

980
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:56,080
 restroom dedicated to the to the city and for public use for ideally for those

981
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:00,640
 patrons patrons using the park just to the south of the property they are

982
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:06,000
 proposing 240 parking vehicular parking spaces for this fitness center and 12

983
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,400
 bicycle spaces as well as far as connectivity and accessing the property

984
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:16,000
 you would be able to come from us 380 that's up here to the north down to here

985
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,980
 it's a trail access the property with a designated left turn lane here that they

986
01:28:19,980 --> 01:28:24,480
 will be required to make as an offside improvement you will also be able to

987
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:30,000
 access the property from East Park Boulevard just to the east of it as far

988
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,680
 as pedestrian connectivity they are proposing to connect to existing stubs

989
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,920
 that were developed with the overall razor ranch area they are also proposing

990
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:42,520
 a sidewalk connection directly from the public restroom facility to that public

991
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:47,840
 park that is just south of the property as far as landscaping they are meeting

992
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:53,120
 the minimum requirements and proposing required site trees as well as parking

993
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:57,440
 lot landscaping that is totaling approximately 25% landscape area

994
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:03,440
 coverage and a an approximate 70% tree canopy coverage they are including the

995
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:08,400
 correct buffer trees relative to heritage trail to buffer and screen some

996
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:15,200
 of the parking components that you would see when driving past this site as well

997
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:19,840
 here are the proposed elevations for the building this one at the top left corner

998
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,440
 is that front elevation that would be facing north or what you could kind of

999
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:27,880
 see from West University the building is actually kind of tucked back because

1000
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,920
 there's some developments just to the north of this property so you wouldn't

1001
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:35,440
 necessarily be able to see this from West University unless you're driving in a

1002
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:40,120
 west west direction the other facades of the building have a similar

1003
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:45,400
 architectural style and again this is just a one-story building that they are

1004
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,720
 proposing so with that staff is recommending approval of the request as

1005
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,000
 it does meet all of the established requirements of the razor ranch overlay

1006
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:58,440
 district that I read before and I will happily take any questions that you have

1007
01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:02,200
 or comments and the applicant is also here if you have any comments or

1008
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:07,960
 questions for them the floor for questions or emotion

1009
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:13,480
 Commissioner McDuff yes I'd like to make a motion to accept the recommendation of

1010
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:18,320
 the staff which would be the approval of the food street didn't project and

1011
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:30,080
 Commissioner Riggs second okay any questions from the Commission I have one

1012
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:40,400
 and maybe I'm gonna answer it immediately here just occurred to me

1013
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:48,320
 that the the park south of here is fairly large and long typically our bike

1014
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,080
 parking spaces are required within a certain number of feet of the front door

1015
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,720
 and in this case there's two buildings there's the bathroom and then there's

1016
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:02,240
 the the main building it looks like the the bike parking spaces are in front of

1017
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:06,040
 the main building but there aren't any in front of the bathroom is that correct

1018
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:15,800
 okay I don't want to hold this up because you know it's it's a bike rack

1019
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:21,480
 but it's more just information for the future I guess in cases where we have a

1020
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:27,080
 an accessory structure that we expect to get a high level of use especially in

1021
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:32,760
 proximity to a public use like the park are there ways that that the current

1022
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:39,920
 code allows us to require bike parking in front of a restroom so we can certainly

1023
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:44,400
 ask the applicant would be willing to include a couple of bikes racks in the

1024
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,760
 area I will say that the restroom itself as an accessory structure doesn't have a

1025
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:52,160
 parking requirement attached to it so that's the where that requirement gets

1026
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:55,720
 sticky but I can absolutely ask if that would be something they would be willing

1027
01:31:55,720 --> 01:32:01,600
 to do okay I think it makes sense okay that's that's my only comment any other

1028
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:08,360
 Commissioner Dyer I apologize because I know that Commissioner Mcduff asked this

1029
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:15,880
 in our workshop but with regards to the bathroom remind us again who like the

1030
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,840
 city is going to be responsible for cleaning that and take caring taking care

1031
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,920
 of that correct yes so the developer was responsible for constructing it and they

1032
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,360
 are currently working with our parks department on like specific specified

1033
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:31,640
 schemes and sort of their preferred model of it and then it will be dedicated

1034
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,560
 to the city for maintenance and ownership are we seeing a need of this

1035
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,520
 because of the park on the other side of the street on the south end of this

1036
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:43,800
 property I don't know if there's a need I believe this was kind of when the when

1037
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:48,600
 the property was developing this was kind of what what was expected to come

1038
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:53,220
 of this property to develop with the public park attached to it I don't know

1039
01:32:53,220 --> 01:32:56,000
 that we've heard a need from the community but I think this is something

1040
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:00,120
 that parks is is is wanting our parks department is wanting at this site and

1041
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:06,480
 then I think my last question is do we have anything like this at other parks

1042
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:12,000
 do we find that there's nefarious happenings in a situation like this where

1043
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:17,700
 there's a standalone restroom in such a you know high traffic area with retail

1044
01:33:17,700 --> 01:33:22,120
 lots of apartment buildings things like that I can't speak to them and look at

1045
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:25,940
 Haley to see if she has I'm just curious if we're concerned about safety public

1046
01:33:25,940 --> 01:33:32,800
 safety I cannot think of another park that has a situation like this I will

1047
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,920
 just add to what Mia said from what I recall when the dedication and

1048
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,280
 development agreement for the park within razor ranch went before City

1049
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:45,080
 Council I believe this restroom being on this property was tied to that

1050
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:49,160
 agreement at that time because there was not going to be restroom facilities

1051
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:58,600
 within the park itself okay yeah I'll just add I know through our last parks

1052
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:05,480
 planning effort the master parks plan that one of the highly requested

1053
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:11,160
 features was bathrooms you know when you take your toddler to the park you never

1054
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:17,320
 know what's gonna happen but in most cases they are prohibitively expensive

1055
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:23,040
 given city budget constraints to just go out and install when there's no water

1056
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:35,400
 and sewer infrastructure necessarily at the park so any other discussion okay

1057
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,920
 not seeing anyone all right not seeing any further discussion I'll call for a

1058
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:50,880
 vote on the board to approve this razor ranch site plan that item passes seven

1059
01:34:50,880 --> 01:35:11,120
 zero which brings us to our next item of sorry next item 4c pp 25 - 5 good

1060
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:15,280
 evening chair and members of the Commission Sean Jacobson associate

1061
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:22,600
 planner and pardon me I get to the correct slide here I'm here to present

1062
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:35,040
 PP 25 D if I can find it see so this is a preliminary plan there we go

1063
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:44,080
 preliminary plat that has not yet met all of our criteria for approval so staff

1064
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:48,160
 is recommending denial but does not object to the requested extension to a

1065
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:58,720
 date certain of February 25th happy to answer any questions any questions or a

1066
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:06,280
 motion Commissioner Dyer sorry I would like to make a motion that we move

1067
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:13,760
 forward to approve a recommendation for the preliminary plat of Rosaline Meadows

1068
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:20,600
 sorry I think the I get that wrong there's a request I would like to move

1069
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:27,000
 forward that we go ahead and agree to accept the requested extension to the

1070
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:33,360
 date of February 25th sorry about that Commissioner Garland and I will second

1071
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:38,360
 that motion okay just a question for staff because this has been going on

1072
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:47,800
 for a while is there a difference in staff time between these getting delayed

1073
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:57,880
 versus denied and then resubmitted generally the extension is a smoother

1074
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:02,400
 process just to kind of keep it moving forward okay have a dedicated calendar

1075
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:07,440
 for that you don't have to create a new project number etc it's there's just

1076
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:13,480
 things that are would have to be done otherwise okay no that's fine thank you

1077
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:19,520
 any other discussion or questions not seeing anyone I will call for a vote on

1078
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:30,840
 the board that item passes seven zero to approve the extension that brings us to

1079
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:43,480
 item 4d fp 26 - one evening Commission map would be an assistant planner here to

1080
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:49,520
 present a final plot for approximately 120 acre tract in the city of Denton's

1081
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:55,040
 ETJ at this time this final plot doesn't meet our criteria for approval but we

1082
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:58,800
 have no objection to their first extension request to a date certain of

1083
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:07,140
 February 25th 2026 okay open the floor for a motion or questions on this

1084
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:14,560
 request Commissioner Riggs yeah I'll make a motion to grant the exception to date

1085
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:20,640
 certain of February 25th 2026 to grant the extension extension and

1086
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:27,760
 Commissioner McDuff I will second that motion for the extension thank you not

1087
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:35,600
 seeing any discussion I'll call for a vote on the board and that extension is

1088
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:44,280
 granted 7-0 moves us to our public hearings our first public hearing is 5a

1089
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:52,580
 which is Z 25 - 25 hold a public hearing and consider a recommendation for by

1090
01:38:52,580 --> 01:38:58,880
 McAdams to rezone from rural rural residential to general office the

1091
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:05,360
 applicant on this project has requested for it to be postponed but at this time I

1092
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:10,080
 will go ahead and open the public hearing as it was noticed and I will

1093
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:17,120
 leave the public hearing open and we will be hearing this item on our next

1094
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:23,200
 regular scheduled meeting which is 630 p.m. on February 25th in two weeks from

1095
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:29,180
 today but I'll need a motion to continue it to that meeting date

1096
01:39:29,180 --> 01:39:35,920
 Commissioner Riggs I'll make a motion to continue it to that meeting date

1097
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:43,520
 Commissioner Garland and I'll second that motion okay not seeing any

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01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:52,160
 discussion I'll call for a vote on the board that item passive brings us to our

1099
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:59,880
 last public hearing of the evening 5b s 25 - 14 good evening chair members of the

1100
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:05,760
 Commission Bryce Van Arsdale assistant planner this is s25 0 0 1 4 related to a

1101
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:10,200
 request for a specific use permit for an outdoor storage use this property is

1102
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:18,760
 located approximately 1150 feet west of I 35 West and about 287 feet north of

1103
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:23,280
 Metro Street the purpose of this request is to separate the accessory outdoor use

1104
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:27,360
 which is existing from the primary use which is a concrete batch plant the

1105
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:31,200
 surrounding area is predominantly zoned as light industrial and is developed

1106
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:36,840
 with a variety of industrial uses the criteria for approval for a project such

1107
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,140
 as this is that the proposal is consistent with the goals and policies set

1108
01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:44,800
 forth in Denton 2040 comprehensive plan as well as the future land use map this

1109
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:48,040
 proposal is consistent as well with the use specific standards which are set

1110
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:52,440
 forth in the Denton development code for outdoor storage the utilities and

1111
01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:56,160
 infrastructure are available to serve this property and the approval of this

1112
01:40:56,160 --> 01:41:00,280
 specific use permit is not expected to generate any significant adverse impacts

1113
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:04,960
 related to the environment infrastructure or fiscally with the

1114
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,560
 future land use map this area is designated as industrial commerce and

1115
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:12,200
 this applies generally to areas where the predominant uses include both light

1116
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:17,720
 and heavy industrial uses primarily this designation is present near the airport

1117
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:23,260
 west of I 35 West this proposed use is situated west of I 35 West and north of

1118
01:41:23,260 --> 01:41:27,520
 Metro Street it's compatible with the surrounding area and there are also

1119
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:31,300
 minimal visual and auditory impacts given that it's set back as far as it is

1120
01:41:31,300 --> 01:41:35,600
 from the right-of-way this proposed use does conform with the future land use map

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01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:41,440
 goals and purpose this project was noticed in accordance to state statute

1122
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:45,760
 we did not receive any feedback from the community the staff does recommend

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01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:50,400
 approval of this request as it does with the following conditions the conditions

1124
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,280
 are very standard for a specific use permits and largely relate to

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01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:57,640
 administratively approved revisions as well as the ability for the city to

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01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:03,640
 require a an amendment to the ordinance should revisions above that level be

1127
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:09,000
 proposed and I'm happy to stand for any questions

1128
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:18,040
 Commissioner McDuff yes I'd like to make a motion this is a public hearing so

1129
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:25,560
 let me open the public hearing at this time and I don't have any cards signed

1130
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:29,720
 up to speak on this item but it is a public hearing so anybody who would like

1131
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:39,320
 to speak is welcome to come down not seeing any I'll close the public hearing

1132
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:45,440
 go ahead Commissioner McDuff you have the floor thank you Chair Pruitt I'd

1133
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:51,200
 like to make a motion that agrees with the staff recommendation for approval of

1134
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:59,720
 this special special use permit for outdoor storage and Commissioner Riggs

1135
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:13,320
 second I have a question on this one place the and this is going to expose my

1136
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:18,480
 lack of understanding of concrete batch plants and who regulates what when I

1137
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:23,280
 read in our code it looks like temporary batch plant means that it's only used

1138
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:28,720
 for a certain number of days up to three times a year is that correct okay and

1139
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:35,960
 and there's also a stipulation of it has to be a half mile from certain other

1140
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:41,400
 uses correct is is that true in this case there is a multifamily kind of

1141
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:45,600
 north of here sure so this is a it's not classified as a concrete batch plant is

1142
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:50,160
 a high-impact manufacturing and this use was developed in 1991 so it's been

1143
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:54,960
 existing since okay prior to the 2002 so it's it's a legally non-conforming use

1144
01:43:54,960 --> 01:44:01,880
 correct in some sense yeah okay okay thank you any other questions from the

1145
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:16,080
 Commission okay not seeing any I'll call for a vote on the board that item passes

1146
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:26,800
 seven zero that brings us to next order of business which is the planning and

1147
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:41,320
 zoning Commission matrix yes so there are a couple of items that will roll

1148
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:46,260
 off of the matrix given tonight's work session and the housing data report that

1149
01:44:46,260 --> 01:44:51,680
 was shared with you all so we will update that accordingly regarding City

1150
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:56,800
 Council updates since your last meeting I believe only one item that you all had

1151
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:00,200
 seen has gone before council in the the time in between and that was the

1152
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:05,320
 rezoning for the multifamily at Hickory Grove the the municipal utility district

1153
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:09,720
 on the west side of town and that was approved at the February 3rd council

1154
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:13,560
 meeting besides that those are my updates and happy to add anything to the

1155
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:21,680
 matrix the all my want any additions from the Commission um first off welcome

1156
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:28,240
 back it's nice to see you secondly um I appreciate that you sent us the

1157
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:31,840
 information on the multifamily I have printed it to go through it I just

1158
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:36,080
 haven't had a chance to go through it but I'm curious if we could have it in

1159
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:43,000
 our workshop just kind of a debrief and how that information affects potential

1160
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:53,080
 future items before us when it comes to that zoning in that development type is

1161
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:58,320
 that is that possible so that we have questions sure so you're just wanting

1162
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:02,800
 like a work session summary of the zoning information that was in the memo

1163
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:06,880
 yes and so then because you know in my mind I'm gonna have a bunch of question

1164
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,360
 once I you know like I said I printed it I just haven't had a chance to go

1165
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,200
 through it but I'm gonna take I'm gonna take notes on it and then I want to be

1166
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:19,080
 able to ask questions and how it could relate to future stuff before us when it

1167
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:28,080
 you know comes to having to vote on things sure we can plan to do that okay

1168
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:34,200
 yeah we can we can add that given that that will be coming for a work session

1169
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:40,160
 the one thing that I I didn't understand maybe it was my reading comprehension

1170
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:46,000
 that would be good to have handy at that work session is I didn't see a

1171
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:57,240
 definition for at which stage of a development project the GIS analysis

1172
01:46:57,240 --> 01:47:08,040
 assumed MN zoned property flipped from undeveloped to developed or future

1173
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:12,920
 project does that make sense there was the GIS analysis that had undeveloped

1174
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:18,280
 versus developed and then there was a list of backlog projects that were in

1175
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:23,880
 the queue and and I didn't know how to connect those backlog projects to either

1176
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:30,760
 land that was marked undeveloped or developed okay I think I follow we can

1177
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,920
 yeah make sure we provide some explanation on how that analysis was

1178
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:40,160
 done okay thank you any other comments or requests for the matrix

1179
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:45,920
 Commissioner McDuff yes I have an item that's been here since October number

1180
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:50,760
 four and I appreciate us going through this with all due diligence and miss

1181
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:55,000
 Haley glad to have you back but I was just wondering if we had any thoughts on

1182
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:59,960
 there no rush just a thought about when we might be looking at number four

1183
01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:12,120
 communal living in small home communities code changes I don't believe

1184
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:14,800
 we have the follow-up on that one scheduled yet but we can work on getting

1185
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:21,360
 a more solid date for that for you thank you Haley right very good

1186
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:30,480
 Commissioner Kettresett is there a way that we could get a definition of what

1187
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:36,520
 compatible development is or neighborhood character like what staff

1188
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:45,880
 themes you know what they might use like an example maybe of what that looks

1189
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:54,560
 like we're happy to provide some I'm trying to think what form that might

1190
01:48:54,560 --> 01:49:00,160
 take right I don't know exactly how you know sure how you can put that into

1191
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:06,500
 words because it's very subjective yeah we can try to put together some sort of

1192
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:10,040
 work session discussion on just what analysis goes into compatibility

1193
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:12,640
 considerations are you thinking more specifically like with respect to an

1194
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:20,560
 SUP or permitted uses within a plan development or it could be a bunch of

1195
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:25,160
 different things potentially right like what did they do they look at that for

1196
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:34,640
 plats for platting you know certain things you know in all of the residential

1197
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:42,280
 purposes it talks about a neighborhood character so in those situations as well

1198
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:50,960
 there's you know a different host of sure but whatever you can provide would

1199
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:57,580
 be okay yeah we can do maybe a planning 301 that's a deeper dive into kind of

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01:49:57,580 --> 01:50:00,960
 the analysis and the process that goes into development review that would be

1201
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:14,120
 great thanks all right we'll look forward to that not seeing any other

1202
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:20,240
 items that brings up number seven item seven concluding items does anyone have

1203
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:26,600
 any concluding items I'll say thank you Commissioner Garland for putting your

1204
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:33,060
 name in the hat good luck trying to get some sleep in the next three months that

1205
01:50:33,060 --> 01:50:41,480
 will not be happening but thank you I appreciate it anyone else seeing none at

1206
01:50:41,480 --> 01:50:45,800
 710 p.m. this evening I will call this meeting of the Planning and Zoning

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01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:50,760
 Commission to a close thank you