WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:17.000 All right. I'm going to call the meeting to order. It is at 530 p.m. exactly. And so if you will join me in standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:32.000 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:47.000 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:01:03.000 All right. I don't think we have anyone from the audience unless y'all see something I know. 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:19.000 Now we need to move to number HLC 26-007. Consider the approval of the January 12th minutes. I hope you all had a chance to read those. I didn't see any revisions. 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:33.000 All right. All in favor of approval, say aye, raise your hand. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:43.000 Now we are moving to item number HLC 26-008. I'd like to chair and advice chair to the Historic Land Commission. 00:01:43.000 --> 00:02:01.000 And for this, so we open up the floor. Let's start with the chair, if we could. We will open it up for a motion. And I'm going to start off with a motion and I'm going to make a motion for Fish and Retreat for Chairman. 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:07.000 Does that mean you are unwilling to serve again? 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:13.000 I think maybe just spread in the love. 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:19.000 Is that what this is? 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:26.000 Just spread in the love. 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:38.000 Famous romantic text Robert's rules of order. 00:02:38.000 --> 00:03:00.000 So procedurally, we would receive nominations and if there's one who doesn't want to do it, they wouldn't move forward and then we would take a motion to consider one of the nominations if there is more than one. If that succeeds, then we're good to go. If it doesn't succeed, we talk about another nominee. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:12.000 Well, I'd like to make a motion for Shipley to continue in the stable position of chair. 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:19.000 As long as she's not opposed. 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.000 So do we have any other nominations? 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:34.000 Is it possible to ask the nominees to maybe do a 30 second spiel on their attitude towards, you know, chairpersonship and what they will bring or not bring and do they actually want the thing in the first place? 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:44.000 So yeah, procedurally they do need to accept the nomination. And yeah, if you want to give you an elevator pitch, I don't have a legal problem with that. 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:53.000 Can we move that motion ceased? 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.000 We can. 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.000 What does this motion mean to cease? 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:03.000 Cease the chair. So these are only two options. 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:07.000 Okay, so those are two options. Close the nominations. 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:11.000 Well, chair and vice chair. 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.000 Sean, would you like to go first? 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:18.000 Sure, I'm for it. 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:19.000 It's great. 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:20.000 It what? 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:26.000 I mean, for all of it, for all the history things. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:34.000 So yeah, I mean, I don't guess there's a pitch except to say I'd be present and diligent and I'm up for it. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:45.000 That's also a reason I nominated Angie to continue in the position because I feel like she's very capable and has demonstrated exceptional leadership. 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.000 Thank you. 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.000 I would accept it as well. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:05:01.000 I have been serving here on the Historic Land Commission for, I was trying to go back and look and it's been at least seven years. 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:07.000 Six or seven years that I've been and I think it's time to all off. 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:11.000 I mean, I think for the statue, isn't there a time frame? 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.000 Well, I can't. 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:14.000 I don't know. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:19.000 If the time frame exists where you are in it, I would have to. 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.000 Yes, so I'm very passionate about it. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.000 I live in the Historic District. 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:36.000 And I'm passionate about what's going on in the history of Denton and to preserve that and to get more of, to not let them lapse. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.000 So I'm really looking forward to the committee. 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.000 This has nothing to do with me doing this. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.000 I'm looking forward though to the committee. 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:43.000 That's for me. 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.000 But yes, I would serve as well. 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.000 Great. 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:52.000 I don't mean to drive this, but it sounds like the pitches have been achieved. 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:57.000 So now we're into like, would someone like to make a motion to nominate one of these two people? 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:01.000 Well, to accept one of these two people as chair? 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.000 Because they've been nominated. 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.000 I so move. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.000 Who would you like to move to be chair? 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.000 Her. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.000 Thank you. 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:18.000 I forget everybody's name. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.000 So if we have that in a second, then do we vote? 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.000 So get your second. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.000 All right. 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.000 All in favor for it to be me. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.000 Thank you. 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.000 Thank you all. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:35.000 All right. 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.000 For vice chair. 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:40.000 We need a motion for vice chair. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.000 Like to make a motion to nominate Sean. 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:50.000 I like that. 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.000 Anyone else making any motions? 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.000 Okay. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.000 We have a motion and a second for it to be mission or treat. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:58.000 All in favor raise your right hand. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.000 Say aye. 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.000 Aye. 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:01.000 There you go. 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.000 Thank you. 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.000 Like how easy that was. 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.000 Thank you. 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:06.000 No worries. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:14.000 It was just like this actually is parliamentary style, so like, hey, my reason for being, let's go. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:15.000 Rebels. 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.000 Oh, reference rules. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:18.000 Yeah, exactly. 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:31.000 So we're going to move on to number HL25-0004. 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:35.000 We're going to hold a public meeting and determine whether there is a present expense 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:44.000 resulted in a permanent improvement or restoration of a local historic landmark property located at 3316 Rose Lawn Drive. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:50.000 The site is located on the northeast corner of Rose Lawn Drive and Rose Lawn Circle. 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.000 Cameron. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.000 Good evening, chair, commissioners. 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.000 As stated, this property is 3316 Rose Lawn Drive. 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.000 The owner is Leanne Todd. 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:07.000 This property was recently designated in December, so they're coming forward for tax exemption. 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.000 It is a local landmark. 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:17.000 So talking about the improvements and restoration that were done, they did add a concrete aerobic system to the property. 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:22.000 And they did additional work to fill in the old one, get those additional pipes removed. 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:31.000 And then they also installed additional electric and wiring to run that aerobic system, totaling $13,200. 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.000 Is this a septic system? 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.000 Yes. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:49.000 So staff is looking at Section 10-128C, which does allow for work two years prior to designation to be put towards the application for the historic tax exemption. 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:53.000 And this work was completed in the spring of 2024. 00:08:53.000 --> 00:09:02.000 So staff does find a favorable determination that the expenses presented resulted in permanent improvement and/or restoration to the landmark property at 3316 Rose Lawn. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.000 And it does meet that minimum of $10,000. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.000 And I can stand for any questions. 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.000 I'll bring that back up to you. 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:15.000 Any questions from the commissioners? 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:22.000 I do not have any questions on the septic system. 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:29.000 The electric, do you know what that was? 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.000 That was tied to getting the whole system to run. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:35.000 So they had to clean out the old and add additional electric. 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.000 I don't have a septic system, so I don't know how that works. 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.000 Essentially, you can't flush your toilets or use the bathroom. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.000 No, I don't know. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.000 It's all about historic, but you know. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.000 If it's historic, it's cosplaying. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:55.000 I'll move to approve this. 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.000 I'll second. 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:58.000 So we have a motion and a second. 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:02.000 I do have a question. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:06.000 Do they not have opportunity to go on city services? 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:10.000 They were not willing to pay for it to connect to city services. 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.000 So they're in the jurisdiction where they could. 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.000 They chose to keep it this way. 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:21.000 I'm sure it probably hasn't always been in the jurisdiction. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.000 I'm sure that's why. 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.000 Clearly it would have had a septic system. 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:30.000 I assume if they did that, they would have been eligible for the same. 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.000 What we're talking about today. 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:37.000 Yes, this property was annexed into the city in 1960. 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.000 So it's in the county prior to that. 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:43.000 What would the rough cost of hooking up to your city services be? 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:44.000 Do you not? 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.000 I do not. 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:46.000 That's fine. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.000 That's really fast. 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:53.000 I would have heard that so they're not giving them another one in 20 years, 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.000 30 years when that septic system breaks. 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.000 But I guess I don't get that choice. 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:00.000 Give, keep on giving. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:04.000 I'll maintain my motion. 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:07.000 Okay, we have a motion on the table to approve in a second. 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:14.000 Any other discussion or thoughts? 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:15.000 All right. 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:16.000 Well, I will take a vote. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.000 All in favor raise your right hand and say yes. 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.000 All right. 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.000 Looks like most. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:27.000 Lenny, did you do a second? 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.000 All right. 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:29.000 Motion passes. 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:32.000 Thank you guys. 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.000 All right. 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:51.000 The next item for AHLC 26-004 on the agenda is to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding Dent Reveal Preservation Month 2026 and the Historic Landmark Commission participating in a month long event. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:52.000 Yes. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:12:00.000 So just wanted to kind of give you all the preliminary schedule events that we have for right now for Dent Revealed. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:04.000 It is our, it's going to be the fifth annual, which is very exciting. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.000 And there's some additional events to be finalized. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:14.000 But I would love for the Historic Landmark Commission to have a discussion and hopefully play a role in this fifth annual. 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:20.000 Because it's just continued to grow over the past five years and we're very excited. 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:26.000 So we always have the proclamation, which I always send an email out to you all kind of ahead of time. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:38.000 So attend right, if not, no big deal, but those are actually going to be in April this year just to kind of give us a lead up to May and get people excited about that. 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:47.000 And then to kick it off, we are going to do a Southridge Neighborhood Walking Tour just because we just finished, you know, the Southridge Historic Resource Survey. 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.000 And last year's DNU Neighborhood was a huge success. 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:55.000 So we figured that let's just keep that momentum going and kick it off with Southridge. 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.000 We do have two story times. We actually have Lewisville participating this year. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:02.000 They're going to do a children's story time on May 5th. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:08.000 And then we always have our annual Emily Fowler one that happens on Wednesday, which is what they do monthly anyways. 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:13.000 But they always do one for preservation month. So we'll be keeping that. 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:19.000 The Emily Fowler Library is also going to do on May 16th a Legacy Lab Tour. 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:24.000 So you are going to, it's going to be limited in terms of the amount of people who can attend. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:35.000 But just talking about what the Emily Fowler Library offers in terms of, you know, preserving different documents, photographs, all that kind of stuff. 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.000 They have that on hand. So they'll be talking through that. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:45.000 We also have the Den Historic Bar Tour, which has been going on. That needs to be finalized the exact date and time. 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:52.000 It's usually a Saturday, but I believe last year was a Sunday or maybe I'm getting confused, but it's usually on the weekends. 00:13:52.000 --> 00:14:02.000 And then Fine Arts Theater Lecture. Den Revealed team did speak with Brad Andrews and he is down to host a lecture. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:10.000 He's not sure if he'll be ready for a tour necessarily, but he does want to participate and work with creating an event for Den Revealed. 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:16.000 We always do a cemetery tour. We think it might be the old Alton Cemetery. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:25.000 We're trying to get final confirmation on that exactly. And then we have our Denton Vintage Short Film Fest, which we did for the first time last year. 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:34.000 We had over 80 people show up. It was a huge hit. So that's definitely going to happen, but we need to finalize the timing with UNT CoLab. 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:40.000 So we're almost there with a few of those, but just kind of want to show you all the preliminary schedule of events. 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:46.000 You don't have to decide what kind of event you all do tonight, but I thought at least we'd open the discussion and get some ideas flowing. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:52.000 That means we can bring back at a future meeting to get this on schedule for Den Revealed. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:58.000 But I will let you all know that we are hoping to start advertising this at the beginning of April. 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:09.000 So probably next meeting would be when you all need to finalize what kind of event you want to do so we can get it on the calendar. 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:20.000 To clarify, these are all already happening. You're looking to us to think of another idea that we could contribute to add to this. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:25.000 And if you all don't want to participate, you'd rather just volunteer for these events, that's fine as well. 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:32.000 But I also wanted to give you guys an opportunity to participate, especially because it's our fifth year. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:41.000 I would just say I run a large event at my college that's on April 27th. 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:51.000 So my preference would be, if I'm going to participate, would be that it's later than that, like that first week of May or something like that. 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:55.000 Oh yes, so Preservation Month, just to give you all background, is only during the month of May. 00:15:55.000 --> 00:16:01.000 So we only have these proclamations ahead of time in April to kind of make the announcements. 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:08.000 So I'll kick this out there just because I've already had discussions with him about it. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:23.000 And I think it's germane to our mission here is I can ask Randy Hunt with Historic Denim if he'd be interested in Historic Homes Tour on Oak for First Friday. 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:37.000 Maybe that might make a good kickoff. And I know that's a little early, but that could also be a good thing because that's usually a good draw and it might help build some bridges with Randy. 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:48.000 But I know that he and I are actually talking about doing some neighborhood work together and putting together some story walks this spring. 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:53.000 So it just seems like that's like a two birds with one stone situation. 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.000 How was the turnout? They did one in the fall, right? 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:57.000 It was their biggest yet. 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:58.000 Awesome. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:59.000 Yeah. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.000 In different homes from people beyond that tour. 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:05.000 Yes, correct. Right, and it was bumper to bumper. 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:10.000 And I like that one just because it was you could wander from spot to spot and each spot had its own dosons, right? 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:21.000 So that's where I would like to talk to him tonight after the John B. Denham Forum and see if I can get interest and their neighborhood group helping with that aspect of it. 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.000 So maybe we could like co-do it. 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.000 And I think that would be because it's hugely popular. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:31.000 Yeah, people love going to see those homes. 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:40.000 So we've already got the Southridge walking tour going on, so that supports the effort towards a historic conservation district in Southridge. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:52.000 I would love it if we could figure out some way to use this month to build support and awareness of your campaign for a Locust historic slash conservation district, 00:17:52.000 --> 00:18:02.000 as well as to raise awareness of some of those financial programs that open the city that we talked about earlier in the year that do not seem to have a lot of awareness with those as well. 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:10.000 I don't know what those events would look like, but it seems like if we have a goal for what we want an event to do, we can then build an event around that. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:20.000 I was just hoping to offer a competing historic art tour. 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:23.000 What would you like to see in your art tour? 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:28.000 Because I'm actually, I think I'm pretty sure I'm going to be helping that group with that one. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.000 But not as in my function here. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:35.000 I don't have any ideas. 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.000 Just a second. 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:41.000 Just a general like, yes, more. 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:45.000 There was one of the first years that this happened. 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:50.000 There was like the den trivia, which is pretty fun. 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:56.000 You as a team one more excellent couldn't beat the hundred years of Gregory's. 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:01.000 But that was, I don't know, there was like a decent turnout. 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:14.000 Maybe like 40 or so people that did like didn't trivia didn't county brewing with all different kinds of categories, whether it was arts and culture, you know, the physical space. 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.000 Because I think that would be. 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:18.000 Yes, that's a blast. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:23.000 But just also circle back to John Black's idea. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.000 I would love to see us do something that also showcases our work and our projects. 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:28.000 Right. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:32.000 And so something that actually gives people an awareness like here are things that we're working on. 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.000 So they go, oh, wait, I'd like to know more. 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.000 Or I'd like to get involved in that. 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:47.000 I see that as a huge opportunity for both promoting what we're doing, but also generating interest in people becoming citizen participants. 00:19:47.000 --> 00:20:11.000 I agree with you, and I mean, I was just thinking kind of a if we could host maybe a reception of some kind, informative to give that information have maybe on the screen going through houses that a PowerPoint that's flipping on. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.000 This is the work that we have done. 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:23.000 Yeah, and especially the ones that have become the historic that have been deemed that, you know, we've done the picture you sent us. 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.000 Yeah, that one, some of those. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:29.000 And then also, I'm going to just throw this out here. 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:33.000 This tax credit that we just approved. 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:38.000 There are a lot in historic districts that are not aware of that. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:51.000 And you just that type of information, we don't really even have to, if we just have a reception and we're walking around, and we have that flipping Hey, did you know, but did you know about the task tax credit. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:56.000 Did you know about the presentation that we have where they allocate so many dollars a year. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:58.000 Hey, did you know. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:16.000 Just that type of thing, and I think with it being five year, it could be our five year reception. And who do we invite me we can invite the community but I would like to send out things, the historic people, North Locust and being as a part as a possibility. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:21.000 And anything else, so they can see the benefit to them. 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:38.000 And so I want to see if we can explore that because the one of the things that works really well. For example, the historic bar tour, the fine arts theater lecture, the cemetery tour receptions after these events to tie into some of these events that are already 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:51.000 happening your people a place to land, and then they are able to see and absorb this rather than that's trying to create something separate and and not that we can't do that to right, right, but I'm just thinking like is there a way we can piggyback on all these things 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:56.000 and basically kind of help take some credit for the work we do. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:09.000 No, I'm with you. So, brainstorm on location and where we could do that if we could tag it tack it on to the bar tour, what location would that look like do a reception. 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:22.000 Sure, or even the fine arts lecture that theater lecture that might be a great way to start with like a central gathering. 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:35.000 And I don't know if the research subcommittee can realistically commit to this but it would be cool if we could offer a few stories about 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:52.000 how local districts, sure, to kind of bring out. 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:58.000 So for legal purposes we probably need to post these in case we're all at these events. We need to do that. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:09.000 Yes. Yeah, like y'all seem really engaged and so it seems likely that we would get a forum and some are most of these and I think that's neat. So yeah, I would be a notice of possible forum. 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:13.000 Which y'all don't have to worry about that would be on the, I guess I would post those. 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:24.000 Perfect. I did. I like your idea, Angie and I think that that's really good, but I know I was wondering how do we get people to come. I mean, what is it that's going to make them want to come. 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:31.000 So, I think, combining it to another one is a great concept too. I'm not sure which one. 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:40.000 As many as we can. I mean, because I'm looking their legacy lab tour, you could have something before the tour while people are waiting around the story time same thing. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:45.000 The walking tour, maybe, I don't know that'll be out and about a little bit more. 00:23:45.000 --> 00:24:07.000 Well, as I say, so I'll just give kind of my feedback of what I've observed over the last. So, for the last year with DNA neighborhood, doing the plaques reveals prior to, I think that brought in a lot more people who otherwise would not have known or participated. 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:24.000 In the walking tour. So I think, you know, sending something out inviting council members and I think that kind of elevates it. And I think that is helpful, especially for those council members who do have. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:39.000 Historic properties or districts in their neighborhood obviously that's gonna be right at the beginning of the elections are going through that so might be a little complicated so we might want to push it back because it could introduce some of the new council members to what's going on and. 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:55.000 Everything, everything like that, but I will say having something before DNA neighborhood walking tour. Huge, made a huge difference, especially got people excited for the rest of the month and I think it gave us a lot more numbers for events throughout the rest of the month. 00:24:55.000 --> 00:25:10.000 Cemetery, cemetery tours are always our biggest number one hit, we probably have close to 100 people every single time we do a cemetery tour, which is huge. 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:34.000 We ended up having a ton of people at that one, but it's still kind of a different group different vibes so I think you also have to think about what are the people that you're trying to aim for as well, because I think it's some of these events you're going to get folks who are interested in history, but they might live in a brand new build, and it's not necessarily it's not the correct audience that you're necessarily trying to reach so I do think you all need to kind of think through that. 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:53.000 But I do think pairing with Southridge or pairing me with the fine arts theater lecture, those are probably going to be the best ones out of what we have currently that you're going to get kind of the audience that you want without having to create a separate of essentially a separate event on a different day and time. 00:25:53.000 --> 00:26:05.000 Thank you. I'm thinking though, to your point to try to gather North Locust and Elm, that group. 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:23.000 Information, fine arts, totally different parts who are I don't know that I don't have the details on the parts who have assuming it's like downtown. Yeah, yes. Or one of the things that Emily Fowler. 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:34.000 Like I guess you could be like oh it's story time for kids but hey adults we got a story for you too. 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:46.000 Is there enough data and stories to pull off a locust walking tour at this point in time or is that is that premature. That would be difficult, because of a traffic. Fair enough. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:56.000 And be because of how spread out it is. Okay. So that, so that would be it would be a slog. And there's not even a park down there like to be a central rally point. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:08.000 There's a parking lot if it's on the off time. Right. I mean you could do the, like, three and 400 blocks which were a lot of businesses. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:18.000 But I don't know that that's okay. I mean just my opinion would be I don't know if you're unpacking enough to kind of build that narrative between now and May. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:28.000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the Southridge tour, will there be any proclamations or any. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:46.000 Will there be particular homes that are going to be featured or. Yeah, because it's such a huge area that the plan was to pick about eight to nine homes within a block or two of each other, so that we're not having everyone go around the circle, and just keep going and going. 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:53.000 Yeah, the spiral. So, we are just gonna, I think we're going to focus on about eight or nine homes is the plan. 00:27:53.000 --> 00:28:14.000 I don't think it's only intended today, but it's relevant to what we're, to the Southridge thing. If we're going to end up doing something with that sign in a way that could be done at that, at that event, then that could be an occasion in which to do whatever it is that we're doing. 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:29.000 Because it may not be like, Hey, we're, we're recognizing this historically significant neighborhood. By the way, we also would like to start doing that in this other neighborhood. 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:47.000 But we obviously haven't made any decisions on that. 00:28:47.000 --> 00:29:02.000 That was a good tip. 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:17.000 Sculpture, I wonder if you could do some type of replica of that. 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:25.000 Right, I was going to give you guys an updated closing conclusions about that. 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:36.000 Who's the gentleman, sorry. 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:56.000 Sounds like the primary interest is in doing something informational, tagging on to one or more of these things, as opposed to creating a whole separate bar crawl, or what happened. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:08.000 Or maybe another home store. That's something that I'm interested in. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:22.000 Anything else you need. Did you get enough from us? I would say I got lots of notes. I think it's just kind of we, by next meeting, we, you all just would need to decide and finalize exactly what you all want to do. 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:29.000 Just because we want to make sure that we are advertising it in time with the rest of the events that are taking place. Yes. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:43.000 This is more of a general information gathering question, but do we, as a commission for an event like this, have any ability to provide refreshments or entertainment or, I mean, is there a budget or can we get donations from local businesses? 00:30:43.000 --> 00:31:02.000 I would say we have been doing this for free for five years. A lot of, we've been doing it for free for five years. The historic bar tour is the only event that is paid for, that you have to pay for. Everything else has been provided for free. 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:24.000 But I'm going to turn it over to legal. What? Sorry. So, there's just so many follow-on questions with that. I think that HLC probably doesn't have, by itself, contracting authority to hire an entertainer or something like that. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:41.000 And I also don't think that there's a budget for it either. But on the other hand, like, whispering to friendly neighborhood food truck that, hey, something, something, Southridge kick off. 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:49.000 I can get a musician to play the reception for free. I didn't hear any of those. I didn't hear any of those. 00:31:49.000 --> 00:32:06.000 The important distinction is like, hey, there's a community thing happening. What do you think? Hey, I'm speaking for HLC as the official Dippity Doo of the City of Dent. Dippity Doo. Technical term. It is a term of art, y'all. 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:19.000 Do you want to find out what Cedar Lecture is going to be about? It's going to be about the history of that building. Yes. The history of the building and the history, and then background on the renovation and showing photos over the course. 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:38.000 I mean, that should be an interesting venue for such a thing, because I think it's a great example of how you have sort of investors invest in this old historic building. And obviously they haven't opened yet, haven't started making money yet, but we're going to hope that they succeed. 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:53.000 And so that might, you know, kind of be an interesting way of like suggesting that we should, in fact, be doing more of that as a community. 00:32:53.000 --> 00:33:10.000 That's a good one to pair with too. So I think you guys have a couple different options. I think it's just you all just kind of need think it over and mull it over. And then I can bring it back and then we can, you all can vote kind of on what you all want to do and the date. 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:25.000 And then we can kind of figure out the time we need. But I'll also have more of the preliminary schedule planned out as well when I bring this back in March so that you'll be able to see kind of more in the full schedule we're trying to meet next week. 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:40.000 Well to Angie's original point of a reception where we have slides or PowerPoint that's on a loop and able to show examples and such. I figure out which of those will lend itself to that. 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:55.000 Yeah, but if it's not ready for a tour yet, it may not. Yeah, they're not sure if it's going to be ready for really more than 20 people to potentially go in. 00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:10.000 If it's not our theater or theater lecture itself, it will be a lecture, they are talking about a tour, but it would be limited and how many people can get in there. Do you know where the lecture would be? It's going to be at the courthouse. So the county has already agreed to have it in the courthouse. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:32.000 Correct, it will not be in the theater itself. We were hoping and Brad was hoping, but they're not going to be at the best point yet. So the lecture itself will be in the old commissioners court in the courthouse, but then we are hoping to at least be able to get some folks in there. 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:49.000 Yeah, but like I said, it's only going to be able to be like 25 people at a time to be able to go into the theater. To the point I think the low hanging fruit is maybe the easier easy lift is because I know for dead being sure because I've already seen some of their materials. 00:34:49.000 --> 00:35:05.000 They already are creating like they already have several after different sizzle reels or videos for people to see. Right. And that would be great for us to slide in something and say, Hey, preservation month. Hey, ask me how to get this tax rebate. Hey, here's some projects upcoming. 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:20.000 Ask us about it. Right. Just something that integrated what they're already going to do. And I feel like that's the easiest. Yeah, that's that's kind of the easy like we can definitely do that. They're only taking 20 or 25 years over a time. You're going to have a crowd of people. 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:35.000 Waiting, waiting. And we will entertain them. I mean, that's when we could present kind of a role. And it could be more informal like it could just be some posters and then us wandering around talking. 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:50.000 And that's what happens with the historic bar tour because they happen in waves. We, one of the things they do is they always have a reception. So, the last time we did I have them do it in the back patio there at Black Box Brewing. Right. 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:59.000 And so people would come there we had some little moshes we got a musician to play there so it was a nice little, you know, hang, and people got to hang and talk about what they saw. 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:05.000 And that's also a great touch opportunity. We should just take over all of them. 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.000 Working. Why are you reading my mind. 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:16.000 But yeah, but to insert ourselves right I mean the idea is that preservation month is kind of our jam. 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:33.000 We can have some poster, some things. Yeah, some travel, but if anybody cared about more. 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:47.000 Next month. 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:56.000 And update on the process for COAs would be great for historic communities, historic property owners. 00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:03.000 The process has changed through the years for the better. And that's been a. 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:11.000 I just want people to know. It's not like it used to be. It's we made so much progress. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:21.000 I mean, could we maybe try to invite a few people who live in historic homes that are like hey really it's actually kind of cool, like being in this district. 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:36.000 It doesn't suck. 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:48.000 But to John's point, we also have people that have benefited from the tax incentives for them to say, they were brave and helping shepherd us through getting these windows put in. 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:55.000 Yeah, or the whole I can say that all I want to, but I've never been to that process. 00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:08.000 And I think that there's like an image problem with what our role is because when people don't know the perception is, we're just going to kind of control what you do in your house. 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:19.000 And right. That has nothing to do with the inside of that, you know, so I think that the most that we can share about like what it really is and isn't. 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:29.000 That's my whole purpose because there was a time that it was like, well, I have people who have been through it recently. 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:41.000 I saw their windows. 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.000 And from different districts. 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.000 I'll give you an example. We painted our fence. 00:38:47.000 --> 00:39:07.000 A few years ago, we would have had to have a COA for that. I kid you not. I kid you not. That's the perception. So as you're going out talking and wanting to get other people to become historic districts or preservation districts, that's kind of what's on their mind is there. 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:21.000 And then they're in these places because they don't want to go HOA, but yet you're going to be able to tell me what to do. And we've got to look at it as it is for preservation for your property and to live in incentives. 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.000 That's right. And there's incentives for it. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:42.000 Yeah, I remember the Southridge meeting at Sam Houston. There were a couple people there that were basically spreading all the tired old tales about how bad historic properties are. And I'm like, I know that's not true. But, you know, since I'm not a historic home owner, I'm a historic home renter, I cannot, you know, it's not my place to speak. 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:58.000 But if we did have a few people on hand to actually kind of defend narrative, I think that would be cool. Yeah, and I just wanted to just jump in is that I just want to get us back on topic in terms of so I think we have a lot of different great events, and I'm happy. 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:23.000 I'll, we can add to the matrix to bring this back in March. But I think there's some other things that have popped up as part of this conversation that might be good matrix items so just cut like the COA process and everything. So I think it might be good to kind of mold those over and then maybe bring those back up at the matrix item because I don't want to, I can talk about this and I love hearing you guys talk about it all night, but I want us to keep moving forward on the agenda. 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:35.000 And a lot of things that have come up, especially the image and the public image and the perception. Yes, I think that could be the biggest, our biggest goal for Preservation Month. 00:40:35.000 --> 00:41:01.000 If we have people listening that month or attending something that otherwise would never pay any attention to it throughout the year, then I hate to miss that opportunity to let them know, however we can. We'll have to be creative in how to do that. But if those people are gathered, that's when they need to hear there's a reason to pursue it, and it's not what it used to be. 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:11.000 It's not your mother's. 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:16.000 I got lots of good notes. 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:42.000 Okay, so now we are going to move to item HLC 26-006. On the agenda is to receive a report and hold the discussion regarding the historic merit of preserving the former entry wall of the former Park PlayStation and I believe Commissioner Black is going to speak to us about this. 00:41:42.000 --> 00:42:09.000 So, as you may remember, when this first came to our attention in October, because of its intersection with history and art, it struck a particular chord with me. Since then, I have been doing my own legwork in terms of gathering additional research and data, which I share with Cameron, and she was either kind enough or efficient enough to suggest that I be the one to summarize the information this evening. 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:27.000 So, you know, again, we have the image of the original Park PlayStation, and it's 1939-1940 condition. And, you know, today we have that, you know, the fragment that remains along University Boulevard with one of my hats on it for scale. 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:48.000 Do you know what part the fragment is from that building? So, actually, the part that you can actually not see the fragment in the image. Originally, I thought it was this area here, but apparently, you know, not visible on this image, there was kind of like a gate or archway leading onto the property. 00:42:48.000 --> 00:43:02.000 And this was one of the two, well, you know, feet or I guess whatever the opposite of a capital is of that archway. 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:19.000 Yeah, I think it's a draft stone along with like local fossils. So, and again, just a quick refresher course. This first came to our attention on the October 15th meeting. It is a circa 1939-1940 architectural remnant/bit of folk art. 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:40.000 It is currently located on the north side of 380 near the intersection with Ector. That's the closest thing. You can call it cross street, but it's not really. You know, it is the only remaining element of the Park Place service station, which was owned and operated by a man named DeWitt Clinton Sockwell. 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:54.000 And it came to the city of Denton's attention when his granddaughter, Joyce Keenis, reached out to the office and said, you know, hey, there's this thing that my grandfather did was the status. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:44:08.000 And there was concern given the fact of its location and the fact that it is primarily limestone and fossil fragments along a busy roadway, that its preservation conditions are not ideal. 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:21.000 So, D.C. Sockwell, okay, it's a little bit grandiose, but I would, I carried him as a small-town renaissance man. In addition to a business owner, he had a dairy on the side of the Park Place station before the station. 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:32.000 He was also a civic leader. He was one of the people on the committee that saw the completion of Fourth Drive connecting Denton to Fort Worth. 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:47.000 He was responsible for getting a lot of services, including row-free delivery and phone service extended out to this part of 380, which at that point in time was Highway 24, and really was the fringes of Denton or slightly beyond. 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:54.000 You know, he was at different times chairman of both the county dairy board and the county cotton board. 00:44:54.000 --> 00:45:05.000 Most interesting to me, he was apparently a rock-town fossil collector and folk artist as well, and you can kind of see that at work with this picture of the Park Place station and the artifact. 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:11.000 There was also a Razor family connection. Apparently they're close with the Razor family, that Fred Razor was one of those pallbearers. 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:20.000 As far as the station itself, we talked about, you know, it being on the fringe of Denton or slightly beyond at that point in time. 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:31.000 Because of Stockwell's commitment to things like row-free delivery, electricity, and phone service, that this area kind of got formally brought into the city infrastructure. 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:44.000 The structure itself is, you know, what we love to call an example of renaissance architecture, meaning that he was not trained and didn't know what he was doing, but still came up with something pretty cool anyway. 00:45:44.000 --> 00:46:05.000 Definitely a folk art, and if it was along the right road rather than the U.S. 380, it is something that you would definitely see the phrase "roadside Americana" attached to. 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:19.000 Constructed in 3940. I find it interesting, they're uncertain on exactly when the demolition occurred. Sometime between 64 and 84 is the closest they can be done now. 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:25.000 So I spoke of additional research that I did. The most significant one is this. 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:38.000 Emily Fowler in the communities of Denton County, Texas, used the Stockwell filling station to describe the birthplace of one of her more, at the time, more famous relatives. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:56.000 But what I find interesting is if you look at that quote, you know, "Sockwell filling station is used as a landmark with no additional commentary clarification." She clearly expects her readers know what this is and where it is. 00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:15.000 Less exciting than that, apparently D.C. Stockwell was considered highly notable, but it didn't work chronically. I grabbed three examples here. The most significant one is in 38, they actually re-ran the article from 1919 about when Stockwell purchased the Park Place property. 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:24.000 And again, re-running that would suggest that both the location and the man were considered notable by the community at the time. 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:35.000 In 35, when there was a late freeze, Stockwell is the one they called to comment on whether or not this was going to affect residents' gardens. He said no, for whatever that's worth. 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:59.000 Then in 39, he was the spokesperson/figurehead for, well, I mean, areas in the French cities are always prime grounds for dumping, we all know that. And in 39, that still included Highway 24/380, and he was apparently a big backer for the city's campaign to stop dumping up there, and he was pleased how it went. 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:23.000 Chairman of the common board and chairman of the dairy board. Okay, move on to the important stuff. So as you may remember, in the informal staff report submitted by the city on 11/13/2025, they provided estimates regarding costs for preservation and relocating the Park Place, what I call the Park Place fragment. 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:42.000 Including separate estimates for excavation of the wall, removal of the wall, plus possible conservation measures, relocation and resetting. The estimates used text dots and item averages, and those numbers were confirmed by public works inspection manager. 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:50.000 Now, the one thing the ISR did not include that would make these really useful were actual measurements of the Park Place fragment. 00:48:50.000 --> 00:49:07.000 So, I went out there with a measuring tape, and so the object is obviously fairly irregular in shape, but it clearly breaks down into fairly regular sections, which I call the wall and the post. 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:25.000 Here are the measurements that I took. If you want to actually see the photographs that take measure in place, I will happily share those to you, but I just want to show my work. So let's get to the important stuff. Plugging in those measurements to the city estimates for excavation, removal, relocating and resetting. 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:40.000 We would be looking at a total of $374.73 plus any conservation costs, which honestly is significantly less than what I was originally expecting, but there is a but. 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:51.000 My estimates do not take into account any parts of the wall. It's below ground because I was more than happy to go out there with a tape measure. I was not ready to go out there with a shovel. 00:49:51.000 --> 00:50:02.000 But looking on online, a good consensus is that about one third of the height of the walls are structures height is typical for the low ground component. 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:11.000 So if we increase the volume of surface by one third, we now look at a total just under $500. 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:24.000 A couple of outstanding issues. First of all, believe it or not, I am not a professional surveyor. I suspect my measurements are good enough, but to move ahead, you really want a professional to go out there and double check. 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:31.000 Someone's determined subterranean dimensions and estimate conservation costs, if any. 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:40.000 One of the most important things is if we did want a relocation or preservation action, we need to figure out where. 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:46.000 You know, places that occurred to me with North Lakes Park and North Branch Library at the County Museum. 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:55.000 Obviously floors open would also be open to your funding or share public art committee since this is a potential public art issue. 00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:02.000 And finally, what are the funding options? I mean, it's not a huge amount, but right now there's no such thing as a trivial amount of the city budget. 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:09.000 And, you know, are there aspects for crowdfunding or doing donations or something like this for the city. 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:14.000 So just to be clear, this is all me. 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:22.000 Anything in this presentation that has been subjective or opinionated rather than objective is mine, not the city's. 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:30.000 I would like to be able to refine our cost estimates through some of the things we talked about. 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:39.000 We would also be interested in better assessing the historic value by doing a oral history with Scott Wells' granddaughter. 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:48.000 We would like to see if there is a viable endgame to this in terms of the destination and then look at the numbers that we could throw at doing this. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.000 And then once all that is done, come up the argument. 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:58.000 So my recommendation, if the commission is agreeable, pump this to May to get some additional data. 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:08.000 I am open to questions or I can now sit down. 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.000 I do have a question. 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.000 Oh, but you can't sit down. 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.000 So what is there now? 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:23.000 So do you know where the behavioral services thing is right next to the goodwill? 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.000 So that is the closest thing to it. 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:37.000 And when I was looking at some tax and rezoning works in 1965, apparently that building has always been some sort of behavioral health complex. 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:41.000 Yeah, yeah. 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:56.000 I do wonder how accurate those costs are like on such a small job, right? 00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:01.000 Do they have to whoever does this sort of thing have minimum orders? 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:07.000 And of course, you're probably at least doubling it because you're going to put it back in the ground somewhere. 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:11.000 Right. And that's going to come with associated costs. 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.000 That was not part of what the city came to us with. 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:17.000 So, I mean, is that the cost of the complete job? 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:18.000 That's the resetting cost. 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.000 Okay. 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:25.000 When you say the ground, why don't you just put it in a museum? 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.000 Well, I'm just being like, yes. 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.000 I'm going to bring this to you so you can look at it. 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:30.000 Oh, thank you. 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.000 It's always helpful. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.000 No, no, you're too excited. Do you want me to do it? 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:35.000 No, no. 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.000 So along those lines, Miss Angie, that's what I'm thinking. 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:38.000 It's like where? 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:52.000 So one of the interesting ideas that I think that John brings up in this presentation is to maybe look at some kind of collaboration with public art and see it's 500 freaking dollars after all. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.000 Right. 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.000 But what do we do it? 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.000 How is it displayed? 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.000 Things like this, right? 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:05.000 I am jumping off Boeing's comment about this was the outskirts of town. 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:13.000 I mean, this was one of those wave markers that everybody knew because once you passed that, you were no longer in Denton at all. 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:16.000 You were out in the country. 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:22.000 So that station, so that makes me wonder, like, where would that be appropriate to go? 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.000 And I think there's several possibilities. 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:37.000 I mean, then the idea of like North Lakes Park or I know that there's going to be ongoing discussions about what happens with that Evers Park area, Evers Farm over on the north side. 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:42.000 Because if some of the things that have been kind of kicked around is that that becomes some type of historical interpretation. 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:59.000 The farmland story, those stations out on that side of town, because, of course, the agricultural A&M stations were over there as well. The whole reason they call it a station is because it was also a station that was part of those A&M programs. 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:04.000 Following the dust bowl where they're doing all the rehabilitation work about how to grow and rotate crops and things. 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.000 Those stations were over there. 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:12.000 So that's part of that larger story in this kind of agricultural history. 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:18.000 I originally said North Lakes and North Branch just because those were the closest park and library to where the place is located. 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:24.000 Correct. Yeah. Yeah. And they also kind of, they also tie in with that northernmost boundary. 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.000 Yeah. Yeah. 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:35.000 And one of the things that also really caught my heart about this project is, you know, if you go to the square today, you've got a pretty good idea of what the square looked like 100 years ago. 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.000 If you go to Oak History today, you've got a pretty good idea of what Oak Hickory looked like today. 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.000 If you go out to 380 today, you don't have a clue what looked like 100 years ago. 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:47.000 And this is kind of the last fragment of that banished farmland. 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:55.000 So I have another question. This is granddaughter bringing this. Does she have interest in it? 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.000 Like actually physically having it? Yes. 00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:02.000 She might. She's not local if I understand correctly. She is now out of state. 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:09.000 So that my thought was I don't want to go to the expense and then her want to claim it. 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:14.000 So I don't know if there's a way to me if she wants it. 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:20.000 It was like, do we just say, OK, you can get it or she's the one that brought it to our attention saying, please preserve this. 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:24.000 I don't think I don't think she is. I agree. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.000 But you're like an MOU or something. Just establishing. Yes. 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:36.000 I was just establishing that she does not. But I also think with the location where it is worries me. 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:42.000 If they were to expand 380, which is unlikely, it is a danger. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:46.000 And I do just want to jump in. And this was my fault when I wrote the ISR. 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:54.000 I didn't think of this at the time. Techstop does require permits if you're doing work along 380. 00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:01.000 So I don't even know what the cost of those Techstop permits for excavation would be. 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:05.000 So, like I said, I will. I will. I definitely messed up on that. 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:10.000 I completely just didn't think about Techstop. I was worried about just getting it out of the ground. 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:14.000 But Techstop also has a historic link, right? They have the archaeology. 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:19.000 They do. But I do know permitting for Techstop is also it's going to cost. It's a nightmare. 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:25.000 It takes six plus months. And I also have no idea what the cost of that would be. 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:30.000 So even if there is a historical component, it doesn't mean that there's not going to be no cost associated. 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.000 Correct. Correct. Got it. Got it. 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.000 Johnny, you need to get your shovel out. 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:45.000 And the tricky thing, too, is where it's located, there could be fiber, all kinds of utilities. 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:49.000 And fiber is not deep, real deep. 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:53.000 So there's other things to consider where I know right where it is, it's not. 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:58.000 But by it, that's going to take the utilities there. 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:03.000 Whatever they built next door, they had to have some kind of a survey that's going to show up on that survey. 00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:08.000 Well, especially with all the fiber and things that have been lying, it has to be. Yes. 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:15.000 So anyway, I'd like to explore. Let's see. Let's see if we can do it. 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:23.000 I wish this would have come up when we were in the university. You know, I am. 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:28.000 But I thank you for all of that work. I think it was great. Great information. 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:33.000 I mean, I think it's worth exploring more. I think we need to try to preserve it. 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:36.000 Cameron, remind us what her request was. 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:40.000 She wanted it preserved. Where and how? I thought she said something. 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.000 She wanted to bring it forward to the city. 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:51.000 If there was an opportunity to preserve the former entry wall at all, or at least part of her family's history. 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:56.000 She just felt that the former entry wall was the only thing that was reigning of her family's history. 00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:05.000 And if to have the city look at it, to see, have a discussion, if it was worth saving, if it wasn't worth saving, at least if it could be documented and shared elsewhere. 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:08.000 So that people understood what was there at the time. 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:16.000 So she just wanted her family's history preserved, whether it was a physical, yeah, whether it was physical or just. 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:24.000 I remember it there. I'm going to say it had to be in the 80s that it was taken. 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:30.000 The station? Not the station, just that archway. I think the station was gone. 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:36.000 Okay. I'm going to dream about this now. 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:41.000 I've just thought that there was an archway there for several years. 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:49.000 There was a tree over, I'm just thinking, maybe, it's not a maybe. 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:55.000 So it sounds like maybe. Mr. Sockwell has spoken. 00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:08.000 So it sounds like at least when the matrix item comes that you all want staff to continue digging through what Commissioner Black has brought forward in terms of the different bullet points. 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:16.000 And then obviously I'll look at, staff will look at text up permits, utilities, easements that are existing and how that correlates with kind of those bullet points. 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:23.000 That's kind of sounds like what you all want to bring, but I just want to reiterate. Okay, perfect. So don't forget to bring that back at the matrix. 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:29.000 Thank you, Commissioner Black. Great presentation. 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:38.000 I know, I wish I had another minute or something. I don't know. We have a cookie cake for later. 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:41.000 Okay. The new commissioners will understand what that is. 01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:52.000 We are going to move to item 4C, number HLC 26-005 on the agendas to hold a discussion regarding the next steps of the designation research committee. 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:59.000 And the community outreach subcommittee to assist in the establishment of the potential new local historic district. 01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:06.000 Generally located along North Elm and North Locust corridors between McKinney Street University, West University. 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:10.000 So this is an item that was brought in January. 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:16.000 This is going to be a reoccurring item each month, similar to the matrix and destinations of interest. 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:28.000 So that, from my understanding, staff's understanding, there was no one that was necessarily voted to the community outreach subcommittee. 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:36.000 We did, didn't we? We did. For the community outreach subcommittee? Okay. That was not shared. So I will. We have three. 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:50.000 That's the designation research subcommittee. The outreach committee was months before that, right? Correct. And I believe it was you two, but I don't think Sean can sit on both. 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:59.000 But I wasn't here in January. I wasn't here in January, so I couldn't participate in the conversation. So I apologize about that. 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:03.000 I didn't even think of that. It's okay. It's all good. 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:07.000 Because it makes a lot more sense. 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:15.000 Yeah, because you, yeah. So Heather, you were alone currently on that committee. 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:23.000 But we can, I can bring it back to have people, we just can't have you sitting on both, unfortunately. 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:35.000 Yeah. So, so I'll bring it back in March as some additional members that we can have that are voted to the community outreach committee. 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:42.000 But I just wanted to make you all aware that this is going to be occurring every single month, every single meeting that this item is going to come back. 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:54.000 And this gives you all the opportunity as both committees to have conversations and kind of work out maybe if you need some input or have questions or anything, you all can work that out here in this item. 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:59.000 But they're all for the same goal, the way this. Correct. Yes, they are all for the same goal. 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:25.000 I have some questions. Yes. I have already started collecting some information, but I just saw your email, but I'm, I'm, I'm trying to figure out what level of detail we're aiming for here. 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:40.000 And like what kinds of information that we are tracking or trying to track and what ultimately our end goal is in terms of what is a finished product. 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:49.000 So that is something for you all to discuss because I can't partake in the, what the final product for the historic district looks like because that's, oh, I don't mean for the historic district. 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:59.000 I mean for like the documentation that we are aiming to create through this research subcommittee. 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:03.000 Can you offer feedback on what would be most useful rather than what you're looking for? 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:17.000 So I can provide examples of what's been done in the past and I have provided that. No, it's okay. I provided that to Commissioner Honig literally right before the meeting from the West Oak Area Historic District in terms of what data was collected. 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:33.000 I will state that the information that was collected in the early 2000s, I don't think it's detailed enough to what planning and zoning and city council would want to see now in terms of building descriptions, research based off each building. 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:43.000 It was pretty like high level. I think they would want to see more heft to it because it is a whole zoning overlay for an entire district versus individual property. 01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:53.000 And just my experience working with both commissions, with the commission and council, I do think it would need to be a little bit more jam-packed with information. 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:59.000 So we'll review that as an exemplar to follow, an example to follow in terms of who are believable. 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:07.000 I would not just based on my initial look at it and her feedback because some of these are like 25 words. 01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:19.000 I mean obviously we couldn't do something quite this detailed and thorough, but would the South Ridge Resource Survey be a template we could look at and water down? 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:30.000 Yes, that is the perfect, yep, and that's online and I think I shared that with you all back in January or maybe December, the link to that, but it's also in the historic resource survey page. 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:40.000 So even though it's national register, if you all want to use that as a template and just pare it down to what kind of you think are the key highlights, I think that's the perfect example. 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.000 Commissioner Black, I think that's great. 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:52.000 I have a question. So these two subcommittees though, they're separate committees, yep, they're working on the same goal here. 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:58.000 Yes. So they can speak to each other, yes or no? During this item. During this item they can. Yes. 01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:10.000 With that, so we need the research and we need the subcommittee. Commissioner Tree was already on the community outreach committee, correct? Yes. 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:17.000 Can we do two and two or do you have a preference? 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:31.000 Well, now that I know that it's going to be a choice of one or the other, I feel like the research aspect of it is amply covered by these two and the community outreach is something that I would be more interested in getting the neighborhood groups together. 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:37.000 I'm good with that. So we have two and two. Thank you, Chair. 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:47.000 Make a motion to refer to the research committee as the committee of jobs. 01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:57.000 So we're going to keep the community outreach subcommittee as stated back in May, in whatever it was. Yes. 01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:05.000 So we're going to leave that as Commissioner Gregory and Commissioner Tree. Were there only two? Yes, there were only two. 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:19.000 And then if you guys are in favor of the research committee of the Johns that we established last month and Commissioner Tree will stay with community outreach. 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:27.000 Anyone have any objections or want to add anyone else or wants to volunteer? 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:39.000 So we do research and we give it to you who then will give it to the people who want to convince people of things. 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:45.000 So you would bring it at this meeting. So this is why this is set so that every meeting you'll have this opportunity. 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:57.000 So if you all collective research and you're like, hey, we have 15 properties that we want the community outreach group to start going to reaching out, we're going to give it to you all. You all can do that here. 01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:03.000 So this is going to be reoccurring. Would that be in the agenda or in the packet? No, you could just provide it. 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:07.000 It's just going to be a reoccurring item so you can just pass it over. 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:17.000 This is your opportunity to operate within the Texas meetings opens act so that like we're not doing stuff via email. And if someone were to audit, then we just get a lot of trouble. 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:28.000 So try to save. But yeah, no, so you're not going to need it on the agenda. You can literally just bring the information and just say, hey, Sean, Heather, here's what we've got. 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:41.000 You all run with it. It was a large stack of paper. Can I send it to you and I can print it out. I can print out copies. I don't know. I'm just trying to think. Yeah, I I need to limit how much I'm involved. 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:49.000 As I kind of just explained when we had talked about this and the item is just the more I'm involved, the more of it complicated and morbid. 01:08:49.000 --> 01:09:00.000 It comes and raises some ethical things. So I'm happy to relay information. I'm happy to get GIS maps done. I'm happy to kind of help organize. 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:13.000 But otherwise, I can't help do the research. I can't help do certain things because then it kind of crossed the line and then it looks like the HPO is trying to create a historic district without when that's not the case. 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:29.000 Right. And so this would be like the information that y'all are collecting a we're using to build the case for the district to build the application, but we're also hoping to use it, for example, during historic preservation month. 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:44.000 And so this is our moment or in March, that's our moment to sort of figure out the form of what we do with those stories and how we engage the community in May around them. 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:59.000 And that makes me feel like our research doesn't need to be focused on building stories. And not just the building was built and then someone sold it and then someone sold it, which is most of what's on that oak application. 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:06.000 But that we may have to go deeper and go, well, who were these people? We can't do that with everybody, obviously. 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:17.000 That's one of the things I learned about the Southridge resources surveys, they had like one or two pages that was like, important and original inhabitants of these houses. 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:27.000 Or important, right, there's a list of things that make it important. And so it could be that inhabitants or it could be architecture, or it could be the use of the building. 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:39.000 But if we want to engage the public, we have to tell a story. Like the one that was a fire station. 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:47.000 So this is where you guys then share with the other subcommittee, what you've been doing on your end, and then we'll show what we've been doing on our end. 01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:59.000 And hopefully they'll meet in the middle. And in May, when we do a Notice of Possible quorum, then you all have the opportunity to kind of pitch it and share with the community. 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:11.000 So everyone's on the same subcommittee at that point to assist and kind of make it a group effort. So I didn't want you all to think in May, you also have to act as separate subcommittees. 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:19.000 Sorry, you can't talk to him. We would do the Notice of Possible quorum so that you all have that opportunity to support one another through that process. 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:35.000 So are we good with that? I have one last question before we move on. In the work that y'all have done so far, or in like, do you have an idea for like how the story could be told or like what tool or platform? 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:43.000 Yes. 01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.000 We have only been working on it for a couple weeks. 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:59.000 And so most of the work that I have done has been in collecting like stuff from the CAD and from the Oliver survey just like raw numbers. 01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:08.000 And so I don't have much in the way of stories to tell yet. I mean, I have some kind of interesting observations, but... 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:16.000 John, if you would give data mining, I could possibly jump ahead and try and figure it out like, you know, three, four, five, six interesting stories we can believe. 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:19.000 Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, that sounds fun. 01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:37.000 So in that buying one of the things that I've done back to the prior group that existed actually had a conversation with Kim Curran, and he hit me into the fact that they are they had a neighborhood group at one point that we're meeting and discussing and trying to be involved with that. 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:57.000 And so I asked him, can we get the band back together? And he was like, Heck yeah. And so I talked to him, and also they touched base with Mike Cocker, who's expressed interest in helping me become a community, neighborhood aspect of this, which I think is huge. 01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:15.000 So the idea is like, as they're putting that together, I'm trying to put together the other element. And so there's our form. So then what I'll try to do is then set up, like perhaps some, you know, not meetings, but I mean, like some get togethers for us to like fill them in on. 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.000 Here's what was done before. 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.000 Here's kind of what we're looking at now. 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:28.000 Here's who's still in and still here. And here's who's not. And here are new players who need to try to recruit. Does that make sense? 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:44.000 And as of this moment, I am only doing research on that zone that was originally proposed, which we have not compared our numbers yet, but it seems to be well over 200 addresses. 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:59.000 And so, you know, while I personally would love to see that, that area expanded, just given that it's so many properties, I'm not going to do that unless we as a committee decide to. 01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:14.000 Does that mean Oak and Hickory? I mean, Elm and Locust are what we're looking at. And then there's a couple of addresses that are on the side street, but they're imaginations. Ferguson or 1st or 3rd or Gary. 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:24.000 Again, we haven't compared our addresses yet, but I think I have it down as basically from the 300 block to the 18 or 1900 block. 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:36.000 We've been not expanding to Bolliver and as was requested. If the committee decides to do that, then we'll add those, but yeah, we're talking about 200 addresses just initially. 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:49.000 Yeah, he has to start and have like an already workable district, and then we can expand and move around as there seems to be interest from participants and et cetera. 01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:57.000 The location of the old spinning wheels is covered by the district, right? Yes. There's got to be something fun we can do with that at some point in time. 01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:03.000 I agree. 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:11.000 Which can be the longest though, breaking a leg. I think that's long and short. You guys have anything else to report back? 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:14.000 I'm sure I'll have more. 01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:34.000 Alright, good discussion. Thank you guys. We're ready to move on to HLC 26-001 to receive our report, hold a discussion, give staff direction on the historic landmark commission request for local historic designation of eligible historic properties. 01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:41.000 Anyone have any? 01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:58.000 Next month, I'll be bringing you materials on Oak Street Dreadhouse. I've got the research completed, I've got the narrative done, I'm actually meeting with John Williams tomorrow, and then I'll share my homework and tell you what I found out about that little area. 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:25.000 There's a whole other story on that side of Oak Street, and it was called soap stocking road for very different reasons. 01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:31.000 Alright, so nothing this time, but we're going to look forward to next time. 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:45.000 Alright, next one is HLC 26-002 to hold a discussion regarding the historic landmark commission project, Matrix. 01:16:45.000 --> 01:17:01.000 Okay, I'm just going to bring up the word document because apparently it is not on the list. Yes. I would like to add to the Matrix a reconstituted item regarding the Park Place Fragment that we will look into additional issues, including 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:28.000 whether the soap stock permits, whether the small scale project affects pricing, location and difficulty of possible utility work, also that we will begin discussions with the potential repositories for the fragment, as well as possibly networking with the PAC. 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:36.000 If anybody is okay with this, I will reach out to the granddaughter and see if she wants to do an oral history that gives additional information. 01:17:36.000 --> 01:18:02.000 Well, and we need how many do we need to agree with three. I agree. 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:08.000 And that's why I'm looking to say it was. 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:10.000 Oh, didn't revealed. 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:23.000 So yes, that's right. So we're going to talk about have an action item for the Matrix to discuss what we're going to be doing specifically for didn't revealed. 01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:33.000 And turn that into an action item that we can then advertise and advance. 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:39.000 There was also one about a revised process. 01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:55.000 And that was part of it. It's just to get information out. I didn't want to. 01:18:55.000 --> 01:19:00.000 It kind of goes with that HLC FAQ and historic processes document. 01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:13.000 It's sort of, I mean, that's kind of part of that. 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:31.000 So that would become an action item related specifically to materials we put together in the street. 01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:44.000 Okay, we're doing bullet points. 01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:48.000 Okay. Anything else. 01:19:48.000 --> 01:20:01.000 The matrix. 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:04.000 Can you scroll back down on pause right there. 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:09.000 The tax return eligibility criteria. Yes. 01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:23.000 Not that I want to, with what came before us today for the approval, which we approve. 01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:31.000 I'm just wondering if it's something we should open up if council will question us on it. 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:39.000 In terms of the improvements that were made. 01:20:39.000 --> 01:21:07.000 What we approved was, it's the guidelines. I just wonder, but that's the only reason why I was wondering if that's something we should. 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:20.000 Okay. Anything else. 01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:27.000 Anything else on any other further business to discuss tonight. 01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:39.000 I'm curious about the role. I would like to request a report on what's going on with the federated women's club. 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:55.000 I know that that has come up as agenda items in a work session February 3rd, private there for non-public, but I just would like to be kept updated on our committee on like what's going on, where's it at. 01:21:55.000 --> 01:22:09.000 Because one of the things that we had shared with us in December by y'all was that this was going to become part of an ongoing conversation about the renewal of the 99 year lease. 01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:28.000 That 99 year lease was up this year in August. And so I know we can't talk about things like behind closed session for council discussion. However, I just like to request any pertinent information that might be related to RGD's AP coming up here. 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:37.000 I mean, does that need to be part of a broader discussion about whether or not we as the HLC have a position on that? 01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:41.000 I wouldn't know. I wouldn't either. 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:53.000 Yeah, I'm just, that's why I'm asking. Are we going to get any guidance or any information? Because that is a historic structure. Quaker Town is within our historic protection review. 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:58.000 Obviously it touches on a lot of significant issues in this community. 01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:03.000 I will be honest, I have a bit involved. 01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:14.000 So I wasn't in that closed session, but what I can tell you is that council is still looking at stuff and there's not really anything to report. 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:20.000 Okay. 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:26.000 How can we be assured that we're going to have input into that? 01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:43.000 Where are we? Well, that's an interesting question that maybe some legal officials will need to look further into. But generally speaking, when we're talking land use and land use decisions, we talk about the use and not the user. 01:23:43.000 --> 01:24:04.000 And since the building in question is a historic landmark, whoever is using it is going to have to abide by the relevant guidelines for the exterior, of course, because this question about your point reminded me anyway that the inside is up to them. 01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:17.000 That isn't the only answer and I apologize for that. So who sets up the guidelines? You're saying they're going to have to abide by them? Being in a historic district, all the rules that Cameron tells you about, about getting a certificate of appropriateness, all that stuff. 01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:30.000 I'm not talking about those, but what the building is used for. That is a private kind of decision of who's going to lease it or own it or what have you. 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:45.000 It's owned already by somebody. The Women's Club owns the building. This commission can only speak to, it is under the purview of, it is a historic building. 01:24:45.000 --> 01:25:04.000 So we have the same decisions on it than any other historic building would have in the city, if that makes sense. But as far as usage or who owns it or the future, we don't have purview of that, but council is making that decision. 01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:19.000 So they haven't asked for our commission's opinion for that. How was that? 01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:31.000 I don't know if this is something that we want to do, but just purely to get an idea of our latitude, do we have the ability to preemptively issue a statement of what we feel would be a 01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:36.000 resolution consistent with the values of the struggle of the HLC? 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:40.000 That's a very good question. I'll look into that. 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:53.000 And this is on me for engaging, for engaging the discussion a little further, but we're not posted for a specific discussion. So I can look into that a little bit and we can bring it back in the future. 01:25:53.000 --> 01:26:07.000 Thank you for next month. I like that idea. So Commissioner Tree, good idea for getting a report on that, if we could add that as well. 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:11.000 That way we can discuss that at least next month on what we would want that total. 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:21.000 And can we explicitly make the possibility of adding a preemptive statement part of that examination? Basically, what validation ways do we have to give input on this? 01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:25.000 And I'll tell you what I've told Kenzie in the past. 01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:29.000 Okay, thank you. 01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:35.000 I was just wondering about the historic marker. 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:40.000 Go ahead and ask the question, but it will be discussed in the next month. 01:26:40.000 --> 01:27:00.000 A historic marker on the building, which is doesn't do justice to what the situation is. And so there's discussion going on about another possible marker that is more honest. 01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:04.000 So can we add that to the for next month as well? 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:11.000 It seems like that would be something under our purview to weigh in on. Absolutely. 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:19.000 So I want to manage expectations. The answer to these questions very likely could be as a body. 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:27.000 No, there's not a lot we can do. And so I just want to put that out there that there's a good chance that's probably where we're going to land. 01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:31.000 So I don't want to give anyone's hopes up. 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:40.000 Does the language of historical marker markers typically go through this group? 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:43.000 For local markers, yes. 01:27:43.000 --> 01:28:03.000 I don't want to be like, I have no idea. Yes. 01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:17.000 So did want to give an update about the Southridge side visit. I'm coordinating with the special collections team right now to go out to the site to get photographs, see what we can do, if we can preserve it at all. 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:23.000 Thanks to Commissioner Black for reaching out to the property owner and going out there already. 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:38.000 So we're going to, like I said, schedule a side visit here I think in the next, hopefully, I'm hoping this week, if not next week to get that accomplished and just see what we can do and then we can bring that back. 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:57.000 Did want to let you all know, similar to kind of how we've done, I guess, or you all last month did work, did a COA for the Denton Square District for the old Andes hub. 01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:04.000 Just want to let you all know that there is a public hearing going forward in the future to have City Council for the Wells Fargo building. 01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:13.000 You all just wanted to kind of remind you all that as a council or as a commission, you all do not have jurisdiction over the Wells Fargo building. That's why you're not going to see it. 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:18.000 I don't want you all to think that I just went around you and didn't bring it forward to you all. 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:25.000 But there is a public hearing going forward in the beginning of March for a project for a new addition to the Wells Fargo building. 01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:35.000 So just wanted to let you all know that you all are more than welcome to comment on it, but I didn't want you all to think that I just skirted around you all. 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:38.000 Is it just not considered part of that? 01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:50.000 It's in the Denton Square District, but it's not part of the, it's not a contributing structure to the National Register Landmark or National Register Historic District, nor is the local landmark. 01:29:50.000 --> 01:30:02.000 You all don't have jurisdiction over that because it's not local landmark. So just wanted to let you all know that that was moving forward so you weren't shocked when that comes forward. 01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:09.000 And then in terms of the template, I know that that's been on the list for a while. I'm working on that. 01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:19.000 I'm trying to get that as cleaned up as possible so that it makes sense to you all so that, you know, obviously you all are well informed with what your role is as an HLC and the procedures. 01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:30.000 But I just want to make it as clean and clear as possible so that you all aren't, you know, once you get out in public with it, you're not like, oh, wait, I don't actually know what cameras to put in here. 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:39.000 We don't understand. I don't want that to happen. So I'm sorry that that's been taking a while, but I'm also working on a lot of different things. 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:52.000 And then there is the possibility that my colleague Sean Jacobson is running the March meeting. I am waiting to come. I will be taking care of my mother. She's undergoing surgery. 01:30:52.000 --> 01:31:04.000 So I'm trying to figure out the dates with HR, but just wanted to give you all a heads up that that might be the case. I'm not positive. But if I'm not here, it's not because I didn't want to be here. It's because I'm taking care of my mom. 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:10.000 They always use their mother as an excuse. 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:17.000 Yeah, you know, I'm actually going to Portugal and living in a room and just living my best life. 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:25.000 But those are all my updates. 01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:34.000 Right. Any others? All right, then we're adjourned. Seven oh one.