WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.480 start. I like to be on time. All right. We are going to call this meeting to order if 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:14.080 you will join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:21.520 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for 00:00:21.520 --> 00:00:28.560 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:28.560 --> 00:00:38.240 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible. 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:48.000 I mean you're going to say that. Always do. Always do. All right. This is the regular 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:59.360 meeting of Monday, January 12th. And do we have any cards from the public that would 00:00:59.360 --> 00:01:15.040 like to speak? Do we have any cards? No cards? All right. Item 3A, number 8, JLC 25-E171. 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:21.280 Our agenda is to consider approval of the December 8th, 2025 minutes. Does everyone 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:28.240 have a chance to switch the minutes? Okay. So we have a motion. Second. And we have a 00:01:28.240 --> 00:01:34.240 second. All in favor, raise your right hand. All right. All right. Or left hand. It doesn't 00:01:34.240 --> 00:01:47.520 matter. All right. Thank you. Next item 3B, number COAA25-0010. On our agenda is to hold 00:01:47.520 --> 00:01:54.240 a public meeting and consider an application for certificate of appropriateness in accordance 00:01:54.240 --> 00:02:02.640 with section 2.9.2 of the development code to partially rehab the first floor facade 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:09.120 of the commercial building at 122 North Locust Street. The site is located on the southeast 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:14.160 corner of West Oak Street and North Locust Street within the Denton Square district. 00:02:14.160 --> 00:02:20.160 All right. Good evening, Chair and members of the Historic Landmark Commission. Shawn 00:02:20.160 --> 00:02:26.400 Jacobson, associate planner. Here to present COAA25-10. Just a little bit of background. 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:34.080 This is at 122 North Locust Street, so on that southeast corner of Oak and Locust. Y'all 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:38.080 are probably pretty familiar with the building. This is within the Denton Square district, 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.720 so we will touch on those standards. My church is the applicant. The original construction 00:02:42.720 --> 00:02:51.440 date was circa 1875. The first picture we have of this is 1938, so first recorded of that. 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:57.680 This is a property that has seen significant architectural alterations. So you'll notice 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:03.440 by 1968, we've already lost those windows. 2002, we've gotten the windows back, but we've 00:03:03.440 --> 00:03:07.920 lost the ground floor doors. And then now to present, we're in, we have the windows 00:03:07.920 --> 00:03:13.680 but different awning. We're to the point where this is not a contributing building to the 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.120 National Register District. It is a Locust Historic Landmark. We're very glad the building 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:22.080 is there, but as far as architectural features, there's not a lot there remaining that is 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:29.200 truly architectural. So what is being proposed is a partial rehabilitation of the first floor. 00:03:29.200 --> 00:03:35.520 The applicant has proposed two options for your consideration, as well as considering just in 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:42.240 general the project. The primary difference here, option one has four by six windows. Option two 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.920 has five by six windows. And we'll get more into details of that, but just to kind of highlight, 00:03:45.920 --> 00:03:50.160 that's the main difference between those two options there. As you can see, existing conditions 00:03:50.160 --> 00:03:56.800 that changes. So it would be just to show you, going back to a much more similar design to what 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:01.600 we had originally, which was more windows, open door at the front, versus what we have now, which 00:04:01.600 --> 00:04:08.640 is very closed first floors. Can I ask one question? Yes, ma'am. So is that proposal going from the four 00:04:08.640 --> 00:04:15.440 windows to three windows for the drawing, or is it going to stay the floor? The top, the second story 00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:19.840 is not changing whatsoever. It happens to show three there, but that, no, there's no change playing 00:04:19.840 --> 00:04:24.160 with that second story. We're looking solely... Right, I was just looking at that drawing. Yes, 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:28.480 absolutely, absolutely. I understand. Yes, that is staying the same. That's the door that goes up to 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:35.520 Pascal's. There's another rendition here that kind of shows a little bit more proportion of 00:04:35.520 --> 00:04:41.920 Pascal's and everything on there as well. So again, looking a little bit closer at this, 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:46.960 the windows proposed would be either the four by six or five by six, that being matte black, 00:04:46.960 --> 00:04:52.640 five whole windows. The idea being there that you have that double pane, which is more historic, 00:04:52.640 --> 00:04:57.040 but it also provides more flexibility for the space. You can actually functionally open those 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:01.600 windows and have interaction between the street and the interior, which I will note when we were 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:05.920 writing the square district was something that we actively encouraged that we wanted to see more 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.800 functional windows because it does help to create more connection, more of a welcoming environment. 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:18.560 The existing black columns there, which are the one actual remaining historic architectural future, 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:23.840 are being preserved. And then what is proposed, the new door, that would be a clear glass, 00:05:23.840 --> 00:05:28.800 pre-hung cast iron door. And then the wood proposed, I'll talk about that in a minute, 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:33.520 but that would be a bare stain. So that's the same on either one. That would be 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:45.600 a terracotta stain. So option two, again, exactly the same except proposing the five by six windows. 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:52.080 And I will note as we're looking at this, due to this supply chain and availability, the proposals, 00:05:52.080 --> 00:05:57.840 initially those will be a temporary picture windows. And then as soon as the by pool windows 00:05:57.840 --> 00:06:01.360 are available, then those will be moved in, but just for timeline issues. 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:09.360 So to look a little bit closer here, you can see the proposed stain is the bare terracotta. 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:15.520 Staff's recommended giving options in maintaining what is original, which are those pillars, 00:06:15.520 --> 00:06:21.200 and then designing really some additional options that will highlight those and bring more attention 00:06:21.200 --> 00:06:27.280 as by bringing more of the wrought iron or wrought iron like design elements to that first story. 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:33.440 So as staff when we're analyzing, as you as the Historic Landmark Commission, 00:06:33.440 --> 00:06:37.520 because this is within a National Register District, we always look at the Secretary 00:06:37.520 --> 00:06:42.640 of Interior Standards. This is a rehabilitation project. So that means kind of the key things 00:06:42.640 --> 00:06:47.760 we're going to look at are, are we retaining and preserving the historic character of the property, 00:06:47.760 --> 00:06:53.520 not removing anything distinctive? As we discussed, there's almost nothing distinctive to not remove. 00:06:53.520 --> 00:06:56.720 The one thing that is still distinctive on that first bar of those pillars, and they are being 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:03.760 retained, are we maintaining distinctive materials, features, finishes? Again, what is original is 00:07:03.760 --> 00:07:09.040 those columns and actually the new design helps to bring more attention to them through the use 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:14.080 of the proposed porch and windows. Those new additions, not destroying historic materials, 00:07:14.080 --> 00:07:18.480 features, spatial relations, kind of problem there. The new work will be differentiated, 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:24.000 it's clearly different, and yet it will fit with what is existing on the building. 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:30.160 We do also want to look at the Dainty Square District Standards. The two areas primarily are 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.560 the façade standards and then fenestration, glazing, and entry with façade. The primary 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:41.120 requirement there is that we have a certain number of architectural elements within a certain space, 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:46.560 which is 25 feet, because we do have two windows and a door plus those pillars is more than meets 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:51.040 that requirement. Where requirements related to the type of glass, we wouldn't want to have reflective 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:57.200 glass, glass meets that requirement, as well as the proposed material, stained wood, that does also 00:07:57.200 --> 00:08:01.280 meet our requirements. So as far as the Dainty Square District is concerned, this meets all standards. 00:08:01.280 --> 00:08:08.160 So staff's recommendation is option two. Rationalities, the larger windows are more 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.920 in keeping with the windows that you see. Many other buildings around the square provide us some 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:16.720 examples, and many of our more historically preserved buildings, you see the larger windows. 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:22.000 Option two does provide that. The bifold window, I recommend that because it does allow for a more 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:28.000 creative use of the space, but you still get that two-panel look that is more historic. And again, 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:35.200 as noted multiple times, we're retaining that one original element pre-1949, which is those metal 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:41.600 columns that is being retained. So with that, staff is recommending approval as submitted. We 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:48.560 recommend the use of option two. Obviously, the commission can recommend option one. That is our 00:08:48.560 --> 00:08:54.160 recommendation, and we recommend approval of the project to do this partial rehabilitation to 00:08:54.160 --> 00:09:00.720 bring this back more in line with what originally existed, and encourage the drive of new business. 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:04.000 So happy to answer any questions. The applicant is also present. 00:09:04.800 --> 00:09:12.640 Commissioner, do you all have questions? Actually, one question. So I noticed that the 00:09:12.640 --> 00:09:18.480 images submitted today differ fairly substantially from the ones that you posted in October of 2025, 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:20.560 and I was just curious about the reason for the change. 00:09:20.560 --> 00:09:26.640 The original ones, I think, is because we had to maintain the wood at the bottom of the windows. 00:09:26.640 --> 00:09:32.000 It couldn't be actually four opening doors. Yeah, I think maybe what you were thinking of, 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:35.120 the original plan was to maybe take the windows all the way to the floor, 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:46.560 and Cameron and Sean. Yeah. Yes. There was more wood to be seen versus the windows going all the 00:09:46.560 --> 00:09:52.400 way to the floor and opening up like that. The original plan was to make it where you could walk 00:09:52.400 --> 00:09:59.760 in through the whole space. But Cameron has some good points that people do that, and then if we 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:08.160 decided not to, that would be too much. So I have a question. We talked about temporary windows, 00:10:08.160 --> 00:10:16.240 and I have an issue with temporary windows. Do we have a time frame, or do we have a time limit 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:21.600 on that? Because in our backup material, it looked pretty broad, and that's not an issue. 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:26.800 So I did check with Cameron beforehand to make sure that we were going in that letter, 00:10:26.800 --> 00:10:30.480 that we would make sure that we had clear requirements related to making sure that we 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:35.280 get that, and that our building safety inspectors also have the understanding that that is the goal. 00:10:35.280 --> 00:10:41.600 And so we've done that many times before in working with folks where we set, we have time 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:45.920 limits that do have some flexibility, just to acknowledge that sometimes everyone has the best 00:10:45.920 --> 00:10:53.040 intentions and then five things don't come through. But we are not prone to just giving open-ended, 00:10:53.040 --> 00:10:59.680 someday this will be done. Is it just the windows that would be temporary? I assume you're 00:10:59.680 --> 00:11:05.840 ripping it out, reframing it, putting the facade on, and just filling in those gaps at the windows? 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:13.120 My opinion is that is the only temporary element. So the reason for the temporary window is because 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:19.360 these five-fold windows are about seven to nine weeks out once I put the order in. And I didn't 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:23.040 want to do it before because they're very expensive. You guys can understand that. 00:11:23.040 --> 00:11:29.200 So I've talked to my framer. The plan is to put the temporary windows in, and he will frame them 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:34.080 out. So once we do get the other ones in, it will probably be less than a five-day period 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.480 once those other ones come in. And once I get y'all's approval on what we can decide to do, 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:43.840 I will order those five-fold windows probably tomorrow. So I would like to have this done 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:50.480 within the red Italian. We plan on opening in two months after we open Ruby Rodeo, and I would like 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:55.440 to have it all done by then, which would be before May 1st, roughly. What's the material of the 00:11:56.400 --> 00:12:03.200 permanent windows? Of the permanent windows? If there's nothing in there about that. Black 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:12.560 five-fold window? Yeah. I can show you the exact windows or the five-fold if you want to see that. 00:12:12.560 --> 00:12:18.640 Yeah, I would. And the reason is, for the very condition that that building is in, 00:12:18.640 --> 00:12:24.960 that there was nothing, you know, not much left of historic. And I think these are the types of 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:30.960 things that fall through the crack that caused that. And I think we have to be very diligent 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:36.960 on what we're approving temporary versus what is the permanent going to be in those gaps. So I would 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:42.480 like to be clear on that. And I would like to have a clear state. If we approve temporary, 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:46.880 what the timeline would be, so it doesn't fall through the cracks. And just to be clear, 00:12:46.880 --> 00:12:51.520 what's shown here, this is the permanent. This is? Yes. But it's aluminum as well? 00:12:52.320 --> 00:13:00.240 The metal. It's aluminum. It's aluminum. And the temporary window would still have that exact same 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:10.880 appearance. It just wouldn't open yet. It would be a picture window with no single panel. But temporary 00:13:10.880 --> 00:13:15.040 would also have to meet our inspector's guidelines, the city guidelines for that. 00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:20.320 Yeah, so we'll have, when Cameron writes that letter, we can even just put in like, hey, we're 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:26.560 going to be checking in with you at X state here to make sure that this is done and that. So we can 00:13:26.560 --> 00:13:32.160 have follow-up built in. And we do this. Obviously, that's something we do all the time. Right. But 00:13:32.160 --> 00:13:36.160 you're asking us to approve. I just want to make sure that we have that very, very clear 00:13:36.160 --> 00:13:42.080 on what that's going to look like in the timeframe for that. And just a question about the temporary. 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:49.280 Is the temporary necessary? Like in my house, I replaced some windows and they had to be custom 00:13:49.280 --> 00:13:54.320 ordered in some sort of situation. And so we needed to frame it before we could order it. 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.560 Is that what's going on here, or is this just a desire to get things moving? 00:13:58.560 --> 00:14:15.040 So ideally, we would like to order aluminum black mat picture windows. Right. And a five by six or 00:14:15.040 --> 00:14:23.520 four by six and stick those in picture windows. And when we get the bifold windows in, pull those 00:14:23.520 --> 00:14:30.560 out, put the other ones in. I don't know if there's a way to bypass the whole, I mean, 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:37.680 I'd love to bypass the temporary window and save myself fear of $4,000. But I don't think that's 00:14:37.680 --> 00:14:43.200 really possible. And just go straight from that to the bifold window, unless we want to board it up 00:14:44.400 --> 00:14:52.400 and, you know. The other reason I ask is because if we do one window by our guidelines, in order 00:14:52.400 --> 00:14:58.800 for them to come out and switch a window, it has to come back to HLC. So that's my concern with the 00:14:58.800 --> 00:15:04.240 whole thing is like, we're kind of coming in a back door with the temporary windows. Does that make 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:10.160 sense? If they asked today, hey, we're doing this window. And then in three months, they came back 00:15:10.160 --> 00:15:15.920 and said, we want to do the bifold. It would take another COA to do that. So that's what I'm just 00:15:15.920 --> 00:15:21.120 wanting to make sure of what we're, what we're doing and what we're proving because we're going 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:27.600 to prove this. Yeah. And again, I think that would go to having the written conditions in the letter 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:33.040 that Cameron will provide and it will clarify the requirement is you end up at this. This is not 00:15:33.040 --> 00:15:45.120 optional. This is required. Yes. That's what I wanted to make sure. I have a wacky question just 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:51.600 because this is this one of my favorite old girls in downtown. This building is. And so, and I'm 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:58.640 curious since we talk about like ordering time and things. How has the process been for you all? I 00:15:58.640 --> 00:16:04.960 mean, it's in ordering the windows and the wait time and things like this. I'm just wondering if 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:10.320 getting them like historically conforming is creating any extra obstacles or if it's also 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:20.400 going to be just a regular kind of shipping supply. It's just, well, I getting the windows 00:16:20.400 --> 00:16:29.600 is seven to nine, the bifold windows is seven to nine weeks. Yeah. I've looked at the picture windows. If 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:36.160 this is on the table, I don't know if it is. I would love to do more of a temporary window with 00:16:36.160 --> 00:16:47.040 acrylic window because these windows, these five by six picture windows are not available until about 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:53.040 mid February. Now I did talk to my framer. If I do a four by four window, I can get those here by 00:16:53.040 --> 00:16:59.680 next week. That's a smaller picture window, which would be fine because the bifold doors are larger. 00:16:59.680 --> 00:17:05.520 So you would frame it smaller, obviously, and then take out that frame to do the bifold windows. Does 00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:09.840 that make sense? Yeah, I don't think that we can do that because that's not what is before us. 00:17:09.840 --> 00:17:16.160 Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, what we presented in the back. Sure. Sure. And that's fine because 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:22.560 that's what we're most anyway. I was just trying to solve it when I look forward to it. I'm going to 00:17:22.560 --> 00:17:31.920 see the old lady back. All right. Shawn, anything else? All right. Commissioners, discussions, 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:40.160 thoughts, or questions? I'm just happy to see that it's been improved. 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.120 Cameron's been great to work with. She's kind of pointed us in the right direction on what she 00:17:49.120 --> 00:17:55.680 wants and what we want to get done. Yeah, I really like the reason I was leaning towards the second 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:02.000 option too because of how it kind of opens it up and it conforms to what the other windows on 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:09.120 the place look like, but it's also going to something look great in terms of continuation 00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:13.840 of the look and feel. I like the bigger ones too. I feel like a little bit more light in there. 00:18:16.080 --> 00:18:23.520 So dark. Well, I also think that, you know, especially in a building like this, it doesn't 00:18:23.520 --> 00:18:28.480 have the same sort of historical architectural features as some of the other buildings on the 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:36.080 square. And it feels like the way this is being done in 50 years, it might still look like that. 00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:41.680 I would say if that happens in the case, then that would be great. 00:18:43.600 --> 00:18:47.200 I feel like questions have been answered to my satisfaction and I'm very happy to see this 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:54.640 be a venue again. I think it's making progress for the aesthetics to come back to looking more 00:18:54.640 --> 00:19:02.480 historic than what it was, and I like that a lot. I like the windows coming in too. We all know 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:08.320 part of historic is windows, which is a pain because... I see what you did there. 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:14.960 But I live in one of those houses with those kinds of windows. 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:22.320 There is no energy efficiency whatsoever. So that's why I just kind of want to make sure 00:19:22.320 --> 00:19:26.960 on those and that has to my satisfaction. I appreciate that. So commissioners, I'll open 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:35.760 that up for any type of motion. I'll make a motion. And I'll second it. As option two. 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:44.800 All right, all in favor, raise your hand. All right, motion passes as presented for option two. 00:19:44.800 --> 00:19:54.640 Thanks. And those photos I said, I don't know if Angie, if you were here, 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:59.680 those were, but it's going to look on the one side. That was taken about a week ago. We've 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:05.920 done a little bit more than that. So we're excited that, you know, the interior, the first picture, 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:10.240 that blue tile in the front, it's kind of be more like a chill space. There'll be sofas and 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:14.640 couches and chairs. Whereas older people that don't want to be right next to the stage. 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:18.160 Are the bathrooms on the first floor? 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:26.480 Oh, they're beautiful. Yeah, I'm just making sure because that one bathroom right behind the stage 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:33.680 has been not in good shape. There's two bathrooms. You won't even recognize it. Yeah. And wait till 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:42.960 you see her. She's singing already. We love her historic features as well. Let me know if you 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:52.160 spot the haunted dog that's still hanging out with her. Yeah, they're like, no, you say dog or dog? 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:59.920 It's a dog. I'll take the marketing for Halloween, right? Absolutely. I got the storage ready. 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:06.560 Let me introduce us. My name is Mike Church and Victor and I are the owners of Ruby Rodeo in Red 00:21:06.560 --> 00:21:10.800 Italian, which is going to go downstairs. This is Chef Denise. She's going to be running the kitchen 00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:16.880 downstairs for Red Italian. We will also have live bites and everything up on the main level 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:27.200 is up on Ruby Rodeo as well. But the plan for Red Italian is more of an intimate Italian restaurant. 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:34.880 Maybe 58 people down there. That's about it. Are familiar with that building? The kitchen is fairly 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:41.920 small downstairs. It's a very small space downstairs. We are doing, I think it's going to be incredible 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:47.760 down there. Do you want to tell them a little bit about the bar that we're doing down, the bar top? 00:21:47.760 --> 00:21:54.320 Yeah, so we're doing a light up countertop, light bar top, which I think being so enclosed 00:21:54.320 --> 00:21:58.320 and being underground, I think that's going to be one of the great features that that place has. 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:01.920 Aside from all the craft cocktails and tasty delicious food. 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:08.800 Cool, I'm going to play the parliamentarian card and point out that the item has been approved and 00:22:08.800 --> 00:22:20.160 congratulations. Thank you guys. All right, item 3C, number HLC 25-0068 on our agenda is to hold a 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:27.280 discussion regarding the formation of a designation research committee to assist in the establishment 00:22:27.280 --> 00:22:32.960 of a potential new local historic district generally located along North Elm and North 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:39.680 Loka Street corridors between West McKinney Street and West University Drive. All right, 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:48.640 so as you'll probably remember even better than I do, in the discussion of the desire to have new 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:54.560 historic landmark districts kind of that centrally there was a question of how to pursue that and 00:22:54.560 --> 00:23:02.000 the recommendation there was to have a designation subcommittee to support the work of your 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:06.960 existing committee and so we're bringing that recommendation back to you all for your consideration. 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:15.200 Could anybody remind me, I remember when Adrienne brought this up the first time that she was 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:20.720 explaining why there would be a good reason to have the subcommittee sort of insulated and I 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:32.480 can't remember I can't remember what the logic was. So one of the issues that she emphasized to me was 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:36.640 we want to make sure that we're avoiding creating a quorum situation. Oh that's right, that's what it was. 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:42.880 So that's why staff recommends we can be on that street and be considered by the law. 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:54.560 And we will get to the discussion members right now. Do we approve having one? That's all this is? 00:23:54.560 --> 00:23:59.920 Yes we will. The very next item we will then move to. Okay, gotcha. I make a motion to approve it. 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:08.560 That will be our second chance. Perfect, yes. Okay so we're voting on do we want to do it or not? 00:24:08.560 --> 00:24:15.040 Yes correct. So your options are vote to create or decline to create. Oh thank you, okay. 00:24:15.040 --> 00:24:19.040 Well I make a motion that we vote to create the designation. 00:24:19.040 --> 00:24:32.640 All right all in favor to create the subcommittee raise your hand. All right we're going to do it. 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:44.560 Now we get to a point. Okay yes so now now that you have created this we have two primary goals 00:24:44.560 --> 00:24:49.600 with the next discussion. One of that is to choose our three members. The other will be for y'all to 00:24:49.600 --> 00:24:55.040 lay out some high level goals for this subcommittee. I think many of y'all probably have kind of a sense 00:24:55.040 --> 00:24:59.920 of what that is. We want to be careful not to get too into the weeds on that but to give kind of some 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:07.280 general direction and I will note that Cameron told me to inform slash warn you that we will have a 00:25:07.280 --> 00:25:12.560 standing item on the agenda from here on out to check in with this subcommittee to make sure that 00:25:12.560 --> 00:25:16.400 what y'all are desiring that it accomplish and be accomplished. So we'll have the opportunity to make 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:23.040 sure that we have some follow-up on that. And if I recall we said for the subcommittee the subcommittee 00:25:23.040 --> 00:25:30.560 would be able to meet here where he's available here at certain times and they wanted to do that. 00:25:30.560 --> 00:25:39.120 And they could use staff to pull some information. My recollection was more that she would provide 00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:45.920 resources to help you learn how to research but that she couldn't really invest that time in it. 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:54.000 Okay I might be mistaken. I think you're correct in my discussion with her is her role will be 00:25:54.000 --> 00:26:00.080 more of a higher level guide and pointing the subcommittee to where researchers can be 00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:06.240 and answering minor questions but largely this will fall on the subcommittee to do the deep dive. 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.840 That's the fun part. 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:17.120 I would love to be on the subcommittee on anything else that's there than that. 00:26:17.120 --> 00:26:26.640 And John and John? Yeah I don't think you understand how many 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:32.720 libraries with six foot ceilings I have been in for days on end and on that note I'll volunteer 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:39.120 number three so we'll have the John and John show up. I love it. We have a band coming together. 00:26:39.120 --> 00:26:46.560 All right so having done that then the question would be for y'all as a committee what are kind 00:26:46.560 --> 00:26:52.160 of your key high level goals and bearing in mind? I was going to say is everybody okay with that? 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.560 Oh I was going to say that. Lini do you feel left out? Are you good with that? Oh no darling. 00:26:56.560 --> 00:27:04.640 I'm just happy as a clown. Me too. For once the men are getting put to bed. 00:27:07.280 --> 00:27:13.680 I don't think anyone is in opposition of John John and John thank you whatever 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:20.800 John John and Sean show. Yes you just had an end. I know it. I like it. 00:27:20.800 --> 00:27:27.520 Okay so go continue on. May I suggest that we constitute the subcommittee for a fixed time 00:27:27.520 --> 00:27:32.720 period and at the end we can decide whether to renew or let it dissolve because I feel like 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:38.080 especially given the three of us if this is just like open and pure research we'll be still doing 00:27:38.080 --> 00:27:42.320 it five years from now and get geeking out about it and that does not help the people of the 00:27:42.320 --> 00:27:48.480 proposed historic district. So what's the standard what's the normal practice for ad hoc committees 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:58.720 or subcommittees like this? You can probably put a note in the for Cameron to you know 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:03.600 on like a six month check-in because we will have those standing items be like hey this 00:28:03.600 --> 00:28:09.040 still makes sense to keep doing this. I think that gives you the most flexibility. 00:28:09.040 --> 00:28:15.040 There's also just from my own experience doing historic research one of the things that we can 00:28:15.040 --> 00:28:19.840 do to start off with is figure out what the deadlines are for creating it so that way it'll 00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:24.560 give us an end date. That's kind of what I was going for. So then what we can do is that with 00:28:24.560 --> 00:28:29.840 that target in mind the idea that that would give us expected completion date for that to be in 00:28:29.840 --> 00:28:35.920 because I doubt we're going to be able to make 2026 so we need to know what the 2027 deadline 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:43.040 is for submitting these new committees. The work that I'm currently doing they usually have them 00:28:43.040 --> 00:28:50.000 open in either November or in January but I'll have to get Cameron to find out from this particular 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:55.680 one. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Sorry so in creating a historic district one of the 00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:02.640 things that we do is there are deadlines for the Texas Historic Commission for us to create the 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:09.200 city one that then they look at right and so just knowing what those deadlines are for whenever 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.160 we turn those in that gives us an end date. I now know there are deadlines. 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:17.920 So that's why well no right so that's why I was like okay so 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:22.960 with the end point in mind of a deadline right we can then set up that we're reporting back 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:28.800 here monthly but then we can like make library trips we can do ground yeah right so that'll 00:29:28.800 --> 00:29:37.200 give us an idea of like. And that could even be one thing that you could have planned for your 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:42.400 your first check-in next month say hey we're going to have some deadlines for some of the goals that 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:46.720 the commission has given us that can be something you report back. So that would be my request is to 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:53.600 request a staff that is Cameron to give us directives on what the deadlines are what types of 00:29:53.600 --> 00:29:58.960 paperwork that we're looking to complete so that gives us then a good publication deadline. That 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:04.720 deadline would include mobilizing the community right because it would be done absolutely well. 00:30:12.560 --> 00:30:16.960 And I certainly would love clarity and this can come from Cameron but it can also come from the 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:25.520 committee on exactly what information or resources or whatever that we should be trying to uncover 00:30:25.520 --> 00:30:31.360 right obviously the CAD has some of the stuff but it doesn't I mean there's going to be huge gaps in 00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:37.440 it and and so you know part of our goal is going to be to try to figure out when some of these 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:45.040 houses were built and all of that but I would love more information or insight into what kind of scope 00:30:45.040 --> 00:30:56.400 I would also like guidance from Cameron on our ability to bring like not outside people formally 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.840 onto the subcommittee but you know who we can network with from the community. I remember the 00:30:59.840 --> 00:31:06.000 last meeting we have those two lovely people speaking about and it seems like that you know 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:11.680 if we interface with the neighborhood on a regular basis not only does that build up buzz but you know 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:16.880 we'd be able to farm some work off onto them. And that's what I was going to say is there's some 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:22.960 resources that you have there's a gentleman at the library that does it and I cannot his name slips 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:30.560 me that I can see his face and he loves to do it but he is a great resource on research and things 00:31:30.560 --> 00:31:36.000 like that for you too and I'll have to give a Cameron to get his name but you can have a meeting 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.800 with Cameron the three of you could have a meeting and say this is where we're going this is and get 00:31:40.800 --> 00:31:48.960 that direction too. And when I talked about this with Cameron I guess at that meeting or maybe we 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:56.800 talked about it I think we talked about it here but I had mentioned maybe some sort of badge or 00:31:56.800 --> 00:32:04.640 business card. That was our orientation. Just so that if we're at the library and we're talking 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:10.960 to one of the librarians they at least know that this is like actual city business and not necessarily 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:18.560 that I want them to devote their life to me but that they might try to be extra. We're actual 00:32:18.560 --> 00:32:29.840 people not strangers accustomed to the library. We will be working with either Leslie or whoever 00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:50.000 replaced Chuck. I don't see any reason why we couldn't ask him to join up anyway. Well he might be interested. I'll hit him up in part of the 00:32:50.720 --> 00:33:02.240 new historic you know beer club or something. So not to interrupt but just to make sure that we're 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:08.160 focusing back on kind of if y'all as as a full committee you want to decide what the kind of one 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.560 or two high level goals I mean I think it's it's probably pretty clear that one of those goals is to 00:33:12.560 --> 00:33:18.640 begin making connections with the community and begin identifying the resources that you want to 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:22.720 look at. Correct. And then probably a long-term goal would be something along the lines of 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:30.240 start the process of moving towards national register. State of mind and build a narrative 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.600 and reach out to the local community with that narrative. Okay good that was item by the way 00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:46.560 item 4a HLC 25-070 that's okay. Now we're going to move to item 4b number HLC 25-067 to receive 00:33:46.560 --> 00:33:53.280 a report hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding prioritizing the historic landmarks 00:33:53.280 --> 00:34:13.280 commission's work plan action for 2026. So work plan many of these things will be things you're 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:17.920 familiar with because they are carryovers from last year so I'll focus primarily on the things 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:24.320 that will be potentially new. So just to give you a quick overview on what you've accomplished 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:31.760 we've had 10 coas received one withdrawn four with tonight's now we've had review and action 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:38.720 on four as well as hpo review and action on five so overall nine of ten one withdrawn great 00:34:38.720 --> 00:34:45.600 action in two historic tax exemptions reviewed and acted on one historic landmark designation 00:34:45.600 --> 00:34:51.280 reviewed and acted on the creation of the community outreach subcommittee and now we have the creation 00:34:51.280 --> 00:35:00.480 of subcommittee fourth designation so good job. In addition we've covered 10 special topics and so 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:06.240 y'all are one of now one of the best educated historic landmark commissioners very informed. 00:35:07.680 --> 00:35:12.960 So looking at our new work plan one of those which relates what we've been discussing now is 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.440 supporting national register of historic place listings for eligible neighborhoods and existing 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.000 local historic districts that also goes to the work that was done with the southbridge neighborhoods 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:27.040 again just wanting to continue to support in a variety of ways our neighborhoods that may be 00:35:27.040 --> 00:35:33.520 interested in moving in this direction. Ongoing from 2024 that annual study list of potential 00:35:33.520 --> 00:35:38.400 landmarks and districts so those are the things and I'll just take a step back so going through 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.280 these to make sure that y'all are in agreement with both what is on the list and what's supposed 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:48.000 to be added so be thinking about that if you have any concern otherwise we do but those are as you 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.760 know at each meeting commissioners have the opportunity to identify properties that they 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:57.760 believe should be prioritized because y'all have been on doing doing that. As you are very familiar 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:03.040 we do have the tax exemption related items that are currently paused waiting to hear when the 00:36:03.040 --> 00:36:08.640 budget allows for us to move forward on those. New for 2026 again and it's part of what we were 00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:14.960 discussing pursuing some new historic conservation districts in portions of the woods and all of the 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:23.680 neighborhoods so where there may not necessarily be interest in a full-blown local district sorry 00:36:23.680 --> 00:36:28.560 local historic district but where a conservation district may be appropriate to have some of those 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:37.120 conversations support that and hopefully achieve that. As well as potential historic conservation 00:36:37.120 --> 00:36:42.160 districts in Weston as well as south of downtown so y'all might be familiar with the Stroud 00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:47.360 neighborhood that's one that the historic preservation plan recommends maybe talking 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:52.640 to raise the conversation whether a conservation district might be appropriate there. One that 00:36:52.640 --> 00:36:58.560 Cameron specifically added and wanted to kind of get y'all's take on was maintaining an inventory 00:36:58.560 --> 00:37:04.320 of vacant or deteriorating historic properties that's not something that we have done simply in 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.920 the past but it's something that staff could spend more time on if there was support from the 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.400 commission to do so so that bear in mind I'll come back to you on hey do you feel good about that. 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:18.880 On going from 2024 completing designation reports landmarks and districts improving 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:23.600 visibility and awareness of those existing programs increasing awareness and use of our 00:37:23.600 --> 00:37:31.120 available federal tax credits improving our historic preservation information materials online which 00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:37.760 has been ongoing with Cameron and a number of members of our staff marketing our local 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.320 landmark designation encouraging more people to get involved in that and providing training to local 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:49.360 realtors and bankers which you know Cameron has been finding opportunities so questions thoughts 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:57.360 particularly on 211 the vacant or deteriorating historic properties yes sir. I like the idea of 00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:03.120 the list of vacant and deteriorating properties I mean basically it's triage we know what we're 00:38:03.120 --> 00:38:08.080 most likely to lose soon so if we have the time and resources we can focus our efforts there 00:38:08.080 --> 00:38:11.760 I mean if we don't we're you know blue city governments and these things happen but 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:17.520 and also wanted to say I am also very very strongly in favor of training for bankers and realtors 00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:23.440 you know I really feel that you know we can leverage the people into allies who have not 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:30.320 traditionally always been allies. Sure that was a nice way to say that. 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:42.160 I agree. So support for overall including deteriorating yeah and yeah creating yeah you 00:38:42.160 --> 00:38:49.120 mentioned triage but yeah we I'd like for us to be able to have discussions about prioritizing 00:38:49.120 --> 00:38:54.000 some of those because well just for example the one that I've been chasing for a while to 00:38:54.000 --> 00:39:01.440 Mr. Frost is and so even though he's not interested in participating anyway at the same time I feel 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:06.080 like that that would be that's something that might be a high priority if we want to have a shot at 00:39:06.080 --> 00:39:12.000 trying to preserve it. Well with the presentation that we had I think it was in November when they 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:17.120 came and they can get different grants and things that people are not really tapping into that as 00:39:17.120 --> 00:39:23.360 much leveraging maybe some of that too correct for some of these properties I think would be 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.200 helpful. Well that's kind of what I'm thinking I'm trying to think ahead because not only 00:39:27.200 --> 00:39:34.320 should we be trying to leverage realtors and other folks in terms of like hey here's some benefits 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:39.680 whenever you're selling properties to be aware of. Invite people who have existing properties like 00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:48.800 hey FYI in case you missed it here's here's some material financial things. The other thing is when 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:56.320 you mentioned certain areas for thinking of historic districts and I think I feel like we discussed 00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:01.200 this so y'all correct me if but I thought we talked about like the North Elm and Locust going 00:40:01.200 --> 00:40:07.760 there and maybe branching out like around TWU Austin Street and all that has some fabulous homes 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.360 and architecture there that would be great to branch out. Did we talk about that about once we 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:18.480 get this branching out from that we did? I feel like we did yeah. We talked about that as a 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:24.080 possibility to me it makes a lot of sense because when we looked at that map of historic buildings 00:40:24.080 --> 00:40:28.080 it was like why are we you know just cutting right through the middle. This was part of our 00:40:28.080 --> 00:40:33.120 discussion about forming a subcommittee actually is because hey let's look at this narrow lane 00:40:33.120 --> 00:40:38.960 and see what the minimum get is. I mean let's set as realistic a smaller goal as possible 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.480 with the idea of it also possibly expanding it if possible. Okay that's what I thought so I like that. 00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:51.040 So anything on the list where you're like no that should not be what we're working on. 00:40:52.880 --> 00:41:03.280 I wonder if we might develop some a page or two maybe up to four to talk about the 00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:10.640 the advantages of the categories like a historic district or 00:41:10.640 --> 00:41:21.440 other preservation. Yes because I've definitely seen she's had some things like that and I wonder 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.800 if that starts to fall under the realm of having a marketing plan for encouraging additional 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:33.760 local landmark designations to also kind of have a broader. Because I think we need factual information 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:44.960 that's not too complicated not too extensive but just some basics because when an organization 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:55.040 gets started sometimes a person is too anxious to get it done and they don't check the facts 00:41:55.040 --> 00:42:02.160 and they mislead people and that's very bad then when you have to go back and say 00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:07.920 I mean you've had all these people's expressed an interest because it might do this for me and then 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:16.720 you have to tell well that's not exactly yes yes and I think you didn't overlap that making 00:42:16.720 --> 00:42:20.880 sure because I think we want to make sure y'all were also equipped with some sheets that had that 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:26.080 we started reviewing some materials for that kind of thing yeah yes and I think that is the idea so 00:42:26.080 --> 00:42:30.720 yeah absolutely I think we need to continue moving on that because you're right misinformation 00:42:30.720 --> 00:42:38.320 immediately creates and and once you get missus information and you say well they lied yeah then 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:47.680 your son yeah yeah yeah I think time to overcome that new generation okay this is good okay I know 00:42:47.680 --> 00:42:53.600 I've heard I think we have consensus that I can share with them that we are good with the work plan 00:42:53.600 --> 00:43:00.800 yes probably okay all right we're ready to move on yes ma'am all right we are moving now over to 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:08.480 hlc 25-065 is to hold a discussion and give staff direction on the historic flame art 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.160 commission's request for local historic designation and eligible historic properties 00:43:14.160 --> 00:43:24.320 anyone have any one degree for besides mr frosty's we've had him on there 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:30.800 and I suppose we never heard anything from that other piece of property this 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:38.240 the piece with the dead cow I was wondering about that that's right so you weren't here for that 00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:48.080 maybe I don't you might have been absent as well um yeah basically by order of the property yes 00:43:48.080 --> 00:43:55.680 oh okay so they found the owner no oh the people that they didn't get a hold of that would go 00:43:55.680 --> 00:44:02.000 between is that you get lost we're not interested kind of thing situation so okay we'll get an 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:08.560 update because I asked for I'd ask for an update if there was a follow-up besides the weather 00:44:08.560 --> 00:44:13.200 she talked about a phone call anyway um yeah we'll get that 00:44:13.200 --> 00:44:20.720 I wonder because I'm and I've mentioned this a couple of times but I did today about 00:44:20.720 --> 00:44:27.520 some of the homes the properties that are on the same street at the back side of twu it's on the 00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:33.920 other side of austin street I can't remember what the name of that street is but I don't know if we 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:41.600 have a map that can tell us if those properties are owned by twu or if they're individually owned 00:44:41.600 --> 00:44:49.200 because there's east side and no I think it's the west side oh the west side the west side 00:44:49.200 --> 00:44:56.160 you know where austin street is right so you have um it's that side oh that's the west side 00:44:56.160 --> 00:45:00.400 oh it is the west side I'm back I'm sorry it is the west side definitely information we can 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:07.600 get for you if that's there is there's some structures that have the architect 00:45:07.600 --> 00:45:14.160 and you don't really notice it when I'm walking I noticed it and they're just gorgeous and I think 00:45:14.160 --> 00:45:18.960 you know I wonder if that was original but when they did twu because some of the architecture 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:25.920 looks very similar like if that was back in a teach ridge that they had or maybe a small dorm 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:31.040 that they had but there's some really cool things over there so that's why I'm interested in 00:45:31.040 --> 00:45:37.920 branching out after we do those but those are the properties that come to my mind so that is on the 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:49.440 west the west side there's a cul-de-sac right two doors down from me uh off an archer trail that 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:59.920 have a handful of houses that are all super like mid-century stuff that uh I wouldn't mind trying 00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:05.840 to figure out make sure they qualify you said that cul-de-sac off archer trail yeah I can't 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:11.440 think of the name of it it's like two percent for me so I'm trying to remember they did a historic 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:23.920 circle patricks live uh in one of those houses the architect yeah we can pull up some of the 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:30.480 whole historic space later okay are those mountain miller houses because I know there are some of 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:35.840 those over there who is that mount miller houses I'm not sure I don't know much I don't know anything 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:41.600 like the history of them I mean let me I'll find them just so we have that'd be Allen Adale circle 00:46:41.600 --> 00:46:47.840 yeah got it yeah perfect Allen Adale circle oh is that what you were saying no no okay all right 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:54.560 you have it on the screen Allen not that magic oh you lived on that trail I knew that I know that 00:46:54.560 --> 00:47:08.160 house that belonged to them but it would be 115 and 111 for sure maybe the one right next one 00:47:08.160 --> 00:47:20.400 all right we're moving on to hlc 25-066 all the discussion regarding the historic landmark 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:37.360 commission project matrix okay so we have further discussion regarding historical merit 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:42.080 warrant action the hlc pursuing preservation of the former entry wall at part playstation 00:47:42.080 --> 00:47:46.160 discussion of the approximate cost to preserve the entry wall that discussion is scheduled for 00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:51.920 february oh that's for february yes okay uh creation of subcommittees potential creation 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:57.520 of new historic district on north locust street north elm street uh we had that it was created 00:47:57.520 --> 00:48:03.760 so you were up to speed nice just that hlc faq and historic processes document which 00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:09.280 commissioner mcgow is mentioned and that is ongoing they're working on this document 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.640 a discussion of creation of possible historic designation for north locust street north elm 00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:19.520 street corridors again that is ongoing and we've made some progress tonight by creating a sub 00:48:19.520 --> 00:48:25.600 committee to assist and we're gonna have check-ins at every meeting yes we will have a standing 00:48:25.600 --> 00:48:33.520 standing check in on there no need to put it on yes we will be checking in on that then continue 00:48:33.520 --> 00:48:38.560 researching new or updated programming to incentivize historic preservation which that 00:48:38.560 --> 00:48:43.680 is camera and that is on the building and then annual update preparing the annual study of this 00:48:43.680 --> 00:48:50.240 potential landmarks and districts that is a goal that is continuing that is ongoing and we 00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:57.440 potentially added some additional properties tonight for the questions for additions only question 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:04.320 i go ahead go ahead um on the subcommittee they're allowed to call and ask us questions 00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:10.320 correct we're not going to meet with them but if they had a question i mean each that group 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:19.760 i think if one member of the committee calls one member of hlc and then they don't talk otherwise 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:26.320 i'm okay so okay so commissioner treat is going to interview ask you some questions 00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.800 commissioner treat is going to go and report back to his subcommittee members that's fine 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.560 commissioner treat is not going to report back to hlc as a whole no no no you're okay okay 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:42.960 that's fine okay so um i would like to uh make a motion for new item to include other metrics 00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:49.040 matrix as you may remember last time uh cameron gave a report about the south ridge historical 00:49:49.040 --> 00:49:55.600 resources uh survey um and the presentation of san xin elementary and part of that was 00:49:55.600 --> 00:50:03.040 the survey was a discovery of the remnants of sign yeah um basically one of the original like 00:50:03.040 --> 00:50:10.880 lots for sale signs for the subdivision like mid-60s um i went out there and uh took a look 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:15.440 for the sign myself um after talking to the property owner because you know it's texas and 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:23.520 you know yeah um so uh the sign has it's beautiful what has one of the earliest maps of the lot 00:50:23.520 --> 00:50:29.840 subdivision the street names things like that but it is also to my untrained eye in incredibly poor 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:35.600 shape like if it was visited 20 years ago i'm not sure that would be soon enough but uh i would like 00:50:35.600 --> 00:50:41.760 to ask if it is possible for someone from the staff who actually does know what they're doing 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:46.160 to go out take a look at it see if there's any sort of preservation triage that can be done 00:50:46.160 --> 00:50:50.800 and if not determine if there's any information that needs to be captured off the sign before it 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:57.280 gets integrated completely oh and also the uh the property owner who's the professor at uofd law 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:04.480 school um mentions that uh they are thinking about developing that property sometime this year so 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:11.840 there is i mean not a not a countdown clock but a ticking clock no that sign is technically theirs 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:19.040 do you get a sense of how they feel about that sign um as per my conversation with him he is 00:51:19.040 --> 00:51:27.840 explicitly willing to donate it to a uh okay yeah okay so we have a motion by commissioner black 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:50.400 we have a second to add it to the matrix second okay all in favor nice any other business 00:51:50.400 --> 00:52:01.200 to discuss okay uh i guess maybe for council uh the subcommittee um i just want to make sure 00:52:01.200 --> 00:52:07.120 i understand that it's only three people so it's not a quorum so we can meet anytime we want to 00:52:07.120 --> 00:52:12.160 we can talk about anything we want to correct as long as we're not also talking to the rest of the 00:52:12.160 --> 00:52:17.920 committee correct okay we would be the users to get done email addresses for communication with 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.240 so i would really enjoy that okay okay that would be great okay thank you 00:52:22.240 --> 00:52:32.640 okay carly you have an item i do have a concluding item this is my last meeting with all of you 00:52:32.640 --> 00:52:39.120 i accepted a new position as the national sales manager for discovered 00:52:39.120 --> 00:53:02.240 it and i'm very excited right now because um this was my favorite award but that will be a 00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:06.720 really great hand vanessa who is here tonight you might be taking over or cathy wellborn who is 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.800 way more experienced than me anyways and who covered it when lacy left for those of you who 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:18.400 were sticking through so but i did want to let you know thank you all for having me for the last 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:46.160 year good luck glad you're sticking around trying to all right anything else 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.440 All right we're adjourned.