1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,480 start. I like to be on time. All right. We are going to call this meeting to order if 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,080 you will join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:21,520 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:28,560 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:38,240 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible. 6 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:48,000 I mean you're going to say that. Always do. Always do. All right. This is the regular 7 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:59,360 meeting of Monday, January 12th. And do we have any cards from the public that would 8 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:15,040 like to speak? Do we have any cards? No cards? All right. Item 3A, number 8, JLC 25-E171. 9 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Our agenda is to consider approval of the December 8th, 2025 minutes. Does everyone 10 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:28,240 have a chance to switch the minutes? Okay. So we have a motion. Second. And we have a 11 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:34,240 second. All in favor, raise your right hand. All right. All right. Or left hand. It doesn't 12 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:47,520 matter. All right. Thank you. Next item 3B, number COAA25-0010. On our agenda is to hold 13 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:54,240 a public meeting and consider an application for certificate of appropriateness in accordance 14 00:01:54,240 --> 00:02:02,640 with section 2.9.2 of the development code to partially rehab the first floor facade 15 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:09,120 of the commercial building at 122 North Locust Street. The site is located on the southeast 16 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,160 corner of West Oak Street and North Locust Street within the Denton Square district. 17 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:20,160 All right. Good evening, Chair and members of the Historic Landmark Commission. Shawn 18 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:26,400 Jacobson, associate planner. Here to present COAA25-10. Just a little bit of background. 19 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:34,080 This is at 122 North Locust Street, so on that southeast corner of Oak and Locust. Y'all 20 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,080 are probably pretty familiar with the building. This is within the Denton Square district, 21 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,720 so we will touch on those standards. My church is the applicant. The original construction 22 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:51,440 date was circa 1875. The first picture we have of this is 1938, so first recorded of that. 23 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:57,680 This is a property that has seen significant architectural alterations. So you'll notice 24 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:03,440 by 1968, we've already lost those windows. 2002, we've gotten the windows back, but we've 25 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,920 lost the ground floor doors. And then now to present, we're in, we have the windows 26 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:13,680 but different awning. We're to the point where this is not a contributing building to the 27 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,120 National Register District. It is a Locust Historic Landmark. We're very glad the building 28 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,080 is there, but as far as architectural features, there's not a lot there remaining that is 29 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:29,200 truly architectural. So what is being proposed is a partial rehabilitation of the first floor. 30 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:35,520 The applicant has proposed two options for your consideration, as well as considering just in 31 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:42,240 general the project. The primary difference here, option one has four by six windows. Option two 32 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,920 has five by six windows. And we'll get more into details of that, but just to kind of highlight, 33 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,160 that's the main difference between those two options there. As you can see, existing conditions 34 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:56,800 that changes. So it would be just to show you, going back to a much more similar design to what 35 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,600 we had originally, which was more windows, open door at the front, versus what we have now, which 36 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:08,640 is very closed first floors. Can I ask one question? Yes, ma'am. So is that proposal going from the four 37 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:15,440 windows to three windows for the drawing, or is it going to stay the floor? The top, the second story 38 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,840 is not changing whatsoever. It happens to show three there, but that, no, there's no change playing 39 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:24,160 with that second story. We're looking solely... Right, I was just looking at that drawing. Yes, 40 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,480 absolutely, absolutely. I understand. Yes, that is staying the same. That's the door that goes up to 41 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:35,520 Pascal's. There's another rendition here that kind of shows a little bit more proportion of 42 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:41,920 Pascal's and everything on there as well. So again, looking a little bit closer at this, 43 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,960 the windows proposed would be either the four by six or five by six, that being matte black, 44 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,640 five whole windows. The idea being there that you have that double pane, which is more historic, 45 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,040 but it also provides more flexibility for the space. You can actually functionally open those 46 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,600 windows and have interaction between the street and the interior, which I will note when we were 47 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,920 writing the square district was something that we actively encouraged that we wanted to see more 48 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,800 functional windows because it does help to create more connection, more of a welcoming environment. 49 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:18,560 The existing black columns there, which are the one actual remaining historic architectural future, 50 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,840 are being preserved. And then what is proposed, the new door, that would be a clear glass, 51 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:28,800 pre-hung cast iron door. And then the wood proposed, I'll talk about that in a minute, 52 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,520 but that would be a bare stain. So that's the same on either one. That would be 53 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:45,600 a terracotta stain. So option two, again, exactly the same except proposing the five by six windows. 54 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:52,080 And I will note as we're looking at this, due to this supply chain and availability, the proposals, 55 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:57,840 initially those will be a temporary picture windows. And then as soon as the by pool windows 56 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,360 are available, then those will be moved in, but just for timeline issues. 57 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,360 So to look a little bit closer here, you can see the proposed stain is the bare terracotta. 58 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Staff's recommended giving options in maintaining what is original, which are those pillars, 59 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:21,200 and then designing really some additional options that will highlight those and bring more attention 60 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:27,280 as by bringing more of the wrought iron or wrought iron like design elements to that first story. 61 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,440 So as staff when we're analyzing, as you as the Historic Landmark Commission, 62 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,520 because this is within a National Register District, we always look at the Secretary 63 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,640 of Interior Standards. This is a rehabilitation project. So that means kind of the key things 64 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,760 we're going to look at are, are we retaining and preserving the historic character of the property, 65 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,520 not removing anything distinctive? As we discussed, there's almost nothing distinctive to not remove. 66 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,720 The one thing that is still distinctive on that first bar of those pillars, and they are being 67 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:03,760 retained, are we maintaining distinctive materials, features, finishes? Again, what is original is 68 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:09,040 those columns and actually the new design helps to bring more attention to them through the use 69 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:14,080 of the proposed porch and windows. Those new additions, not destroying historic materials, 70 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,480 features, spatial relations, kind of problem there. The new work will be differentiated, 71 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:24,000 it's clearly different, and yet it will fit with what is existing on the building. 72 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:30,160 We do also want to look at the Dainty Square District Standards. The two areas primarily are 73 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,560 the façade standards and then fenestration, glazing, and entry with façade. The primary 74 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:41,120 requirement there is that we have a certain number of architectural elements within a certain space, 75 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:46,560 which is 25 feet, because we do have two windows and a door plus those pillars is more than meets 76 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,040 that requirement. Where requirements related to the type of glass, we wouldn't want to have reflective 77 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:57,200 glass, glass meets that requirement, as well as the proposed material, stained wood, that does also 78 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,280 meet our requirements. So as far as the Dainty Square District is concerned, this meets all standards. 79 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:08,160 So staff's recommendation is option two. Rationalities, the larger windows are more 80 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,920 in keeping with the windows that you see. Many other buildings around the square provide us some 81 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,720 examples, and many of our more historically preserved buildings, you see the larger windows. 82 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,000 Option two does provide that. The bifold window, I recommend that because it does allow for a more 83 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:28,000 creative use of the space, but you still get that two-panel look that is more historic. And again, 84 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:35,200 as noted multiple times, we're retaining that one original element pre-1949, which is those metal 85 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:41,600 columns that is being retained. So with that, staff is recommending approval as submitted. We 86 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:48,560 recommend the use of option two. Obviously, the commission can recommend option one. That is our 87 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:54,160 recommendation, and we recommend approval of the project to do this partial rehabilitation to 88 00:08:54,160 --> 00:09:00,720 bring this back more in line with what originally existed, and encourage the drive of new business. 89 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,000 So happy to answer any questions. The applicant is also present. 90 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:12,640 Commissioner, do you all have questions? Actually, one question. So I noticed that the 91 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:18,480 images submitted today differ fairly substantially from the ones that you posted in October of 2025, 92 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,560 and I was just curious about the reason for the change. 93 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:26,640 The original ones, I think, is because we had to maintain the wood at the bottom of the windows. 94 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:32,000 It couldn't be actually four opening doors. Yeah, I think maybe what you were thinking of, 95 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,120 the original plan was to maybe take the windows all the way to the floor, 96 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:46,560 and Cameron and Sean. Yeah. Yes. There was more wood to be seen versus the windows going all the 97 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:52,400 way to the floor and opening up like that. The original plan was to make it where you could walk 98 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:59,760 in through the whole space. But Cameron has some good points that people do that, and then if we 99 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:08,160 decided not to, that would be too much. So I have a question. We talked about temporary windows, 100 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:16,240 and I have an issue with temporary windows. Do we have a time frame, or do we have a time limit 101 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,600 on that? Because in our backup material, it looked pretty broad, and that's not an issue. 102 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,800 So I did check with Cameron beforehand to make sure that we were going in that letter, 103 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,480 that we would make sure that we had clear requirements related to making sure that we 104 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,280 get that, and that our building safety inspectors also have the understanding that that is the goal. 105 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:41,600 And so we've done that many times before in working with folks where we set, we have time 106 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,920 limits that do have some flexibility, just to acknowledge that sometimes everyone has the best 107 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:53,040 intentions and then five things don't come through. But we are not prone to just giving open-ended, 108 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:59,680 someday this will be done. Is it just the windows that would be temporary? I assume you're 109 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:05,840 ripping it out, reframing it, putting the facade on, and just filling in those gaps at the windows? 110 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:13,120 My opinion is that is the only temporary element. So the reason for the temporary window is because 111 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:19,360 these five-fold windows are about seven to nine weeks out once I put the order in. And I didn't 112 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,040 want to do it before because they're very expensive. You guys can understand that. 113 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:29,200 So I've talked to my framer. The plan is to put the temporary windows in, and he will frame them 114 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,080 out. So once we do get the other ones in, it will probably be less than a five-day period 115 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,480 once those other ones come in. And once I get y'all's approval on what we can decide to do, 116 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,840 I will order those five-fold windows probably tomorrow. So I would like to have this done 117 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:50,480 within the red Italian. We plan on opening in two months after we open Ruby Rodeo, and I would like 118 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:55,440 to have it all done by then, which would be before May 1st, roughly. What's the material of the 119 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:03,200 permanent windows? Of the permanent windows? If there's nothing in there about that. Black 120 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:12,560 five-fold window? Yeah. I can show you the exact windows or the five-fold if you want to see that. 121 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:18,640 Yeah, I would. And the reason is, for the very condition that that building is in, 122 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:24,960 that there was nothing, you know, not much left of historic. And I think these are the types of 123 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,960 things that fall through the crack that caused that. And I think we have to be very diligent 124 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,960 on what we're approving temporary versus what is the permanent going to be in those gaps. So I would 125 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,480 like to be clear on that. And I would like to have a clear state. If we approve temporary, 126 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,880 what the timeline would be, so it doesn't fall through the cracks. And just to be clear, 127 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,520 what's shown here, this is the permanent. This is? Yes. But it's aluminum as well? 128 00:12:52,320 --> 00:13:00,240 The metal. It's aluminum. It's aluminum. And the temporary window would still have that exact same 129 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:10,880 appearance. It just wouldn't open yet. It would be a picture window with no single panel. But temporary 130 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,040 would also have to meet our inspector's guidelines, the city guidelines for that. 131 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,320 Yeah, so we'll have, when Cameron writes that letter, we can even just put in like, hey, we're 132 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,560 going to be checking in with you at X state here to make sure that this is done and that. So we can 133 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:32,160 have follow-up built in. And we do this. Obviously, that's something we do all the time. Right. But 134 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,160 you're asking us to approve. I just want to make sure that we have that very, very clear 135 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:42,080 on what that's going to look like in the timeframe for that. And just a question about the temporary. 136 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:49,280 Is the temporary necessary? Like in my house, I replaced some windows and they had to be custom 137 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,320 ordered in some sort of situation. And so we needed to frame it before we could order it. 138 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,560 Is that what's going on here, or is this just a desire to get things moving? 139 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:15,040 So ideally, we would like to order aluminum black mat picture windows. Right. And a five by six or 140 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:23,520 four by six and stick those in picture windows. And when we get the bifold windows in, pull those 141 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:30,560 out, put the other ones in. I don't know if there's a way to bypass the whole, I mean, 142 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:37,680 I'd love to bypass the temporary window and save myself fear of $4,000. But I don't think that's 143 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:43,200 really possible. And just go straight from that to the bifold window, unless we want to board it up 144 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:52,400 and, you know. The other reason I ask is because if we do one window by our guidelines, in order 145 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:58,800 for them to come out and switch a window, it has to come back to HLC. So that's my concern with the 146 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,240 whole thing is like, we're kind of coming in a back door with the temporary windows. Does that make 147 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:10,160 sense? If they asked today, hey, we're doing this window. And then in three months, they came back 148 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,920 and said, we want to do the bifold. It would take another COA to do that. So that's what I'm just 149 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:21,120 wanting to make sure of what we're, what we're doing and what we're proving because we're going 150 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:27,600 to prove this. Yeah. And again, I think that would go to having the written conditions in the letter 151 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:33,040 that Cameron will provide and it will clarify the requirement is you end up at this. This is not 152 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:45,120 optional. This is required. Yes. That's what I wanted to make sure. I have a wacky question just 153 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:51,600 because this is this one of my favorite old girls in downtown. This building is. And so, and I'm 154 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:58,640 curious since we talk about like ordering time and things. How has the process been for you all? I 155 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:04,960 mean, it's in ordering the windows and the wait time and things like this. I'm just wondering if 156 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:10,320 getting them like historically conforming is creating any extra obstacles or if it's also 157 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:20,400 going to be just a regular kind of shipping supply. It's just, well, I getting the windows 158 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:29,600 is seven to nine, the bifold windows is seven to nine weeks. Yeah. I've looked at the picture windows. If 159 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:36,160 this is on the table, I don't know if it is. I would love to do more of a temporary window with 160 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:47,040 acrylic window because these windows, these five by six picture windows are not available until about 161 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:53,040 mid February. Now I did talk to my framer. If I do a four by four window, I can get those here by 162 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:59,680 next week. That's a smaller picture window, which would be fine because the bifold doors are larger. 163 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:05,520 So you would frame it smaller, obviously, and then take out that frame to do the bifold windows. Does 164 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,840 that make sense? Yeah, I don't think that we can do that because that's not what is before us. 165 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:16,160 Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, what we presented in the back. Sure. Sure. And that's fine because 166 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:22,560 that's what we're most anyway. I was just trying to solve it when I look forward to it. I'm going to 167 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:31,920 see the old lady back. All right. Shawn, anything else? All right. Commissioners, discussions, 168 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:40,160 thoughts, or questions? I'm just happy to see that it's been improved. 169 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,120 Cameron's been great to work with. She's kind of pointed us in the right direction on what she 170 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:55,680 wants and what we want to get done. Yeah, I really like the reason I was leaning towards the second 171 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,000 option too because of how it kind of opens it up and it conforms to what the other windows on 172 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:09,120 the place look like, but it's also going to something look great in terms of continuation 173 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,840 of the look and feel. I like the bigger ones too. I feel like a little bit more light in there. 174 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:23,520 So dark. Well, I also think that, you know, especially in a building like this, it doesn't 175 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:28,480 have the same sort of historical architectural features as some of the other buildings on the 176 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:36,080 square. And it feels like the way this is being done in 50 years, it might still look like that. 177 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,680 I would say if that happens in the case, then that would be great. 178 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,200 I feel like questions have been answered to my satisfaction and I'm very happy to see this 179 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:54,640 be a venue again. I think it's making progress for the aesthetics to come back to looking more 180 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:02,480 historic than what it was, and I like that a lot. I like the windows coming in too. We all know 181 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,320 part of historic is windows, which is a pain because... I see what you did there. 182 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,960 But I live in one of those houses with those kinds of windows. 183 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:22,320 There is no energy efficiency whatsoever. So that's why I just kind of want to make sure 184 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,960 on those and that has to my satisfaction. I appreciate that. So commissioners, I'll open 185 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:35,760 that up for any type of motion. I'll make a motion. And I'll second it. As option two. 186 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,800 All right, all in favor, raise your hand. All right, motion passes as presented for option two. 187 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:54,640 Thanks. And those photos I said, I don't know if Angie, if you were here, 188 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,680 those were, but it's going to look on the one side. That was taken about a week ago. We've 189 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,920 done a little bit more than that. So we're excited that, you know, the interior, the first picture, 190 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,240 that blue tile in the front, it's kind of be more like a chill space. There'll be sofas and 191 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,640 couches and chairs. Whereas older people that don't want to be right next to the stage. 192 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,160 Are the bathrooms on the first floor? 193 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:26,480 Oh, they're beautiful. Yeah, I'm just making sure because that one bathroom right behind the stage 194 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:33,680 has been not in good shape. There's two bathrooms. You won't even recognize it. Yeah. And wait till 195 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:42,960 you see her. She's singing already. We love her historic features as well. Let me know if you 196 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:52,160 spot the haunted dog that's still hanging out with her. Yeah, they're like, no, you say dog or dog? 197 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:59,920 It's a dog. I'll take the marketing for Halloween, right? Absolutely. I got the storage ready. 198 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:06,560 Let me introduce us. My name is Mike Church and Victor and I are the owners of Ruby Rodeo in Red 199 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,800 Italian, which is going to go downstairs. This is Chef Denise. She's going to be running the kitchen 200 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:16,880 downstairs for Red Italian. We will also have live bites and everything up on the main level 201 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:27,200 is up on Ruby Rodeo as well. But the plan for Red Italian is more of an intimate Italian restaurant. 202 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,880 Maybe 58 people down there. That's about it. Are familiar with that building? The kitchen is fairly 203 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:41,920 small downstairs. It's a very small space downstairs. We are doing, I think it's going to be incredible 204 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:47,760 down there. Do you want to tell them a little bit about the bar that we're doing down, the bar top? 205 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:54,320 Yeah, so we're doing a light up countertop, light bar top, which I think being so enclosed 206 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,320 and being underground, I think that's going to be one of the great features that that place has. 207 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,920 Aside from all the craft cocktails and tasty delicious food. 208 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Cool, I'm going to play the parliamentarian card and point out that the item has been approved and 209 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:20,160 congratulations. Thank you guys. All right, item 3C, number HLC 25-0068 on our agenda is to hold a 210 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:27,280 discussion regarding the formation of a designation research committee to assist in the establishment 211 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:32,960 of a potential new local historic district generally located along North Elm and North 212 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:39,680 Loka Street corridors between West McKinney Street and West University Drive. All right, 213 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:48,640 so as you'll probably remember even better than I do, in the discussion of the desire to have new 214 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:54,560 historic landmark districts kind of that centrally there was a question of how to pursue that and 215 00:22:54,560 --> 00:23:02,000 the recommendation there was to have a designation subcommittee to support the work of your 216 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,960 existing committee and so we're bringing that recommendation back to you all for your consideration. 217 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:15,200 Could anybody remind me, I remember when Adrienne brought this up the first time that she was 218 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,720 explaining why there would be a good reason to have the subcommittee sort of insulated and I 219 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:32,480 can't remember I can't remember what the logic was. So one of the issues that she emphasized to me was 220 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,640 we want to make sure that we're avoiding creating a quorum situation. Oh that's right, that's what it was. 221 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:42,880 So that's why staff recommends we can be on that street and be considered by the law. 222 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:54,560 And we will get to the discussion members right now. Do we approve having one? That's all this is? 223 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,920 Yes we will. The very next item we will then move to. Okay, gotcha. I make a motion to approve it. 224 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:08,560 That will be our second chance. Perfect, yes. Okay so we're voting on do we want to do it or not? 225 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:15,040 Yes correct. So your options are vote to create or decline to create. Oh thank you, okay. 226 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,040 Well I make a motion that we vote to create the designation. 227 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:32,640 All right all in favor to create the subcommittee raise your hand. All right we're going to do it. 228 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:44,560 Now we get to a point. Okay yes so now now that you have created this we have two primary goals 229 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,600 with the next discussion. One of that is to choose our three members. The other will be for y'all to 230 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,040 lay out some high level goals for this subcommittee. I think many of y'all probably have kind of a sense 231 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,920 of what that is. We want to be careful not to get too into the weeds on that but to give kind of some 232 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:07,280 general direction and I will note that Cameron told me to inform slash warn you that we will have a 233 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,560 standing item on the agenda from here on out to check in with this subcommittee to make sure that 234 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,400 what y'all are desiring that it accomplish and be accomplished. So we'll have the opportunity to make 235 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:23,040 sure that we have some follow-up on that. And if I recall we said for the subcommittee the subcommittee 236 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:30,560 would be able to meet here where he's available here at certain times and they wanted to do that. 237 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:39,120 And they could use staff to pull some information. My recollection was more that she would provide 238 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:45,920 resources to help you learn how to research but that she couldn't really invest that time in it. 239 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:54,000 Okay I might be mistaken. I think you're correct in my discussion with her is her role will be 240 00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:00,080 more of a higher level guide and pointing the subcommittee to where researchers can be 241 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:06,240 and answering minor questions but largely this will fall on the subcommittee to do the deep dive. 242 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,840 That's the fun part. 243 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,120 I would love to be on the subcommittee on anything else that's there than that. 244 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:26,640 And John and John? Yeah I don't think you understand how many 245 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,720 libraries with six foot ceilings I have been in for days on end and on that note I'll volunteer 246 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:39,120 number three so we'll have the John and John show up. I love it. We have a band coming together. 247 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:46,560 All right so having done that then the question would be for y'all as a committee what are kind 248 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:52,160 of your key high level goals and bearing in mind? I was going to say is everybody okay with that? 249 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,560 Oh I was going to say that. Lini do you feel left out? Are you good with that? Oh no darling. 250 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:04,640 I'm just happy as a clown. Me too. For once the men are getting put to bed. 251 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,680 I don't think anyone is in opposition of John John and John thank you whatever 252 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:20,800 John John and Sean show. Yes you just had an end. I know it. I like it. 253 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:27,520 Okay so go continue on. May I suggest that we constitute the subcommittee for a fixed time 254 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,720 period and at the end we can decide whether to renew or let it dissolve because I feel like 255 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,080 especially given the three of us if this is just like open and pure research we'll be still doing 256 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,320 it five years from now and get geeking out about it and that does not help the people of the 257 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:48,480 proposed historic district. So what's the standard what's the normal practice for ad hoc committees 258 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:58,720 or subcommittees like this? You can probably put a note in the for Cameron to you know 259 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,600 on like a six month check-in because we will have those standing items be like hey this 260 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,040 still makes sense to keep doing this. I think that gives you the most flexibility. 261 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:15,040 There's also just from my own experience doing historic research one of the things that we can 262 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,840 do to start off with is figure out what the deadlines are for creating it so that way it'll 263 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,560 give us an end date. That's kind of what I was going for. So then what we can do is that with 264 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,840 that target in mind the idea that that would give us expected completion date for that to be in 265 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,920 because I doubt we're going to be able to make 2026 so we need to know what the 2027 deadline 266 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:43,040 is for submitting these new committees. The work that I'm currently doing they usually have them 267 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:50,000 open in either November or in January but I'll have to get Cameron to find out from this particular 268 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,680 one. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Sorry so in creating a historic district one of the 269 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:02,640 things that we do is there are deadlines for the Texas Historic Commission for us to create the 270 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:09,200 city one that then they look at right and so just knowing what those deadlines are for whenever 271 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,160 we turn those in that gives us an end date. I now know there are deadlines. 272 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,920 So that's why well no right so that's why I was like okay so 273 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,960 with the end point in mind of a deadline right we can then set up that we're reporting back 274 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,800 here monthly but then we can like make library trips we can do ground yeah right so that'll 275 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:37,200 give us an idea of like. And that could even be one thing that you could have planned for your 276 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,400 your first check-in next month say hey we're going to have some deadlines for some of the goals that 277 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,720 the commission has given us that can be something you report back. So that would be my request is to 278 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:53,600 request a staff that is Cameron to give us directives on what the deadlines are what types of 279 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,960 paperwork that we're looking to complete so that gives us then a good publication deadline. That 280 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,720 deadline would include mobilizing the community right because it would be done absolutely well. 281 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,960 And I certainly would love clarity and this can come from Cameron but it can also come from the 282 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:25,520 committee on exactly what information or resources or whatever that we should be trying to uncover 283 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,360 right obviously the CAD has some of the stuff but it doesn't I mean there's going to be huge gaps in 284 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:37,440 it and and so you know part of our goal is going to be to try to figure out when some of these 285 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:45,040 houses were built and all of that but I would love more information or insight into what kind of scope 286 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:56,400 I would also like guidance from Cameron on our ability to bring like not outside people formally 287 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,840 onto the subcommittee but you know who we can network with from the community. I remember the 288 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:06,000 last meeting we have those two lovely people speaking about and it seems like that you know 289 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,680 if we interface with the neighborhood on a regular basis not only does that build up buzz but you know 290 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,880 we'd be able to farm some work off onto them. And that's what I was going to say is there's some 291 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,960 resources that you have there's a gentleman at the library that does it and I cannot his name slips 292 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:30,560 me that I can see his face and he loves to do it but he is a great resource on research and things 293 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:36,000 like that for you too and I'll have to give a Cameron to get his name but you can have a meeting 294 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,800 with Cameron the three of you could have a meeting and say this is where we're going this is and get 295 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:48,960 that direction too. And when I talked about this with Cameron I guess at that meeting or maybe we 296 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:56,800 talked about it I think we talked about it here but I had mentioned maybe some sort of badge or 297 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:04,640 business card. That was our orientation. Just so that if we're at the library and we're talking 298 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,960 to one of the librarians they at least know that this is like actual city business and not necessarily 299 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:18,560 that I want them to devote their life to me but that they might try to be extra. We're actual 300 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:29,840 people not strangers accustomed to the library. We will be working with either Leslie or whoever 301 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:50,000 replaced Chuck. I don't see any reason why we couldn't ask him to join up anyway. Well he might be interested. I'll hit him up in part of the 302 00:32:50,720 --> 00:33:02,240 new historic you know beer club or something. So not to interrupt but just to make sure that we're 303 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:08,160 focusing back on kind of if y'all as as a full committee you want to decide what the kind of one 304 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,560 or two high level goals I mean I think it's it's probably pretty clear that one of those goals is to 305 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,640 begin making connections with the community and begin identifying the resources that you want to 306 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,720 look at. Correct. And then probably a long-term goal would be something along the lines of 307 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:30,240 start the process of moving towards national register. State of mind and build a narrative 308 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,600 and reach out to the local community with that narrative. Okay good that was item by the way 309 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:46,560 item 4a HLC 25-070 that's okay. Now we're going to move to item 4b number HLC 25-067 to receive 310 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:53,280 a report hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding prioritizing the historic landmarks 311 00:33:53,280 --> 00:34:13,280 commission's work plan action for 2026. So work plan many of these things will be things you're 312 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,920 familiar with because they are carryovers from last year so I'll focus primarily on the things 313 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:24,320 that will be potentially new. So just to give you a quick overview on what you've accomplished 314 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:31,760 we've had 10 coas received one withdrawn four with tonight's now we've had review and action 315 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:38,720 on four as well as hpo review and action on five so overall nine of ten one withdrawn great 316 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:45,600 action in two historic tax exemptions reviewed and acted on one historic landmark designation 317 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:51,280 reviewed and acted on the creation of the community outreach subcommittee and now we have the creation 318 00:34:51,280 --> 00:35:00,480 of subcommittee fourth designation so good job. In addition we've covered 10 special topics and so 319 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,240 y'all are one of now one of the best educated historic landmark commissioners very informed. 320 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,960 So looking at our new work plan one of those which relates what we've been discussing now is 321 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,440 supporting national register of historic place listings for eligible neighborhoods and existing 322 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,000 local historic districts that also goes to the work that was done with the southbridge neighborhoods 323 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,040 again just wanting to continue to support in a variety of ways our neighborhoods that may be 324 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:33,520 interested in moving in this direction. Ongoing from 2024 that annual study list of potential 325 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,400 landmarks and districts so those are the things and I'll just take a step back so going through 326 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,280 these to make sure that y'all are in agreement with both what is on the list and what's supposed 327 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,000 to be added so be thinking about that if you have any concern otherwise we do but those are as you 328 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,760 know at each meeting commissioners have the opportunity to identify properties that they 329 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,760 believe should be prioritized because y'all have been on doing doing that. As you are very familiar 330 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,040 we do have the tax exemption related items that are currently paused waiting to hear when the 331 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,640 budget allows for us to move forward on those. New for 2026 again and it's part of what we were 332 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:14,960 discussing pursuing some new historic conservation districts in portions of the woods and all of the 333 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:23,680 neighborhoods so where there may not necessarily be interest in a full-blown local district sorry 334 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,560 local historic district but where a conservation district may be appropriate to have some of those 335 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:37,120 conversations support that and hopefully achieve that. As well as potential historic conservation 336 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,160 districts in Weston as well as south of downtown so y'all might be familiar with the Stroud 337 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,360 neighborhood that's one that the historic preservation plan recommends maybe talking 338 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,640 to raise the conversation whether a conservation district might be appropriate there. One that 339 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,560 Cameron specifically added and wanted to kind of get y'all's take on was maintaining an inventory 340 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:04,320 of vacant or deteriorating historic properties that's not something that we have done simply in 341 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,920 the past but it's something that staff could spend more time on if there was support from the 342 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,400 commission to do so so that bear in mind I'll come back to you on hey do you feel good about that. 343 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,880 On going from 2024 completing designation reports landmarks and districts improving 344 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,600 visibility and awareness of those existing programs increasing awareness and use of our 345 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:31,120 available federal tax credits improving our historic preservation information materials online which 346 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:37,760 has been ongoing with Cameron and a number of members of our staff marketing our local 347 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,320 landmark designation encouraging more people to get involved in that and providing training to local 348 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:49,360 realtors and bankers which you know Cameron has been finding opportunities so questions thoughts 349 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:57,360 particularly on 211 the vacant or deteriorating historic properties yes sir. I like the idea of 350 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:03,120 the list of vacant and deteriorating properties I mean basically it's triage we know what we're 351 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,080 most likely to lose soon so if we have the time and resources we can focus our efforts there 352 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,760 I mean if we don't we're you know blue city governments and these things happen but 353 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,520 and also wanted to say I am also very very strongly in favor of training for bankers and realtors 354 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,440 you know I really feel that you know we can leverage the people into allies who have not 355 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:30,320 traditionally always been allies. Sure that was a nice way to say that. 356 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:42,160 I agree. So support for overall including deteriorating yeah and yeah creating yeah you 357 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:49,120 mentioned triage but yeah we I'd like for us to be able to have discussions about prioritizing 358 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,000 some of those because well just for example the one that I've been chasing for a while to 359 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:01,440 Mr. Frost is and so even though he's not interested in participating anyway at the same time I feel 360 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,080 like that that would be that's something that might be a high priority if we want to have a shot at 361 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:12,000 trying to preserve it. Well with the presentation that we had I think it was in November when they 362 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,120 came and they can get different grants and things that people are not really tapping into that as 363 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,360 much leveraging maybe some of that too correct for some of these properties I think would be 364 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,200 helpful. Well that's kind of what I'm thinking I'm trying to think ahead because not only 365 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:34,320 should we be trying to leverage realtors and other folks in terms of like hey here's some benefits 366 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,680 whenever you're selling properties to be aware of. Invite people who have existing properties like 367 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:48,800 hey FYI in case you missed it here's here's some material financial things. The other thing is when 368 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:56,320 you mentioned certain areas for thinking of historic districts and I think I feel like we discussed 369 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,200 this so y'all correct me if but I thought we talked about like the North Elm and Locust going 370 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:07,760 there and maybe branching out like around TWU Austin Street and all that has some fabulous homes 371 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,360 and architecture there that would be great to branch out. Did we talk about that about once we 372 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,480 get this branching out from that we did? I feel like we did yeah. We talked about that as a 373 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,080 possibility to me it makes a lot of sense because when we looked at that map of historic buildings 374 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,080 it was like why are we you know just cutting right through the middle. This was part of our 375 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,120 discussion about forming a subcommittee actually is because hey let's look at this narrow lane 376 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,960 and see what the minimum get is. I mean let's set as realistic a smaller goal as possible 377 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,480 with the idea of it also possibly expanding it if possible. Okay that's what I thought so I like that. 378 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:51,040 So anything on the list where you're like no that should not be what we're working on. 379 00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:03,280 I wonder if we might develop some a page or two maybe up to four to talk about the 380 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:10,640 the advantages of the categories like a historic district or 381 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:21,440 other preservation. Yes because I've definitely seen she's had some things like that and I wonder 382 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,800 if that starts to fall under the realm of having a marketing plan for encouraging additional 383 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:33,760 local landmark designations to also kind of have a broader. Because I think we need factual information 384 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:44,960 that's not too complicated not too extensive but just some basics because when an organization 385 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:55,040 gets started sometimes a person is too anxious to get it done and they don't check the facts 386 00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:02,160 and they mislead people and that's very bad then when you have to go back and say 387 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,920 I mean you've had all these people's expressed an interest because it might do this for me and then 388 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:16,720 you have to tell well that's not exactly yes yes and I think you didn't overlap that making 389 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:20,880 sure because I think we want to make sure y'all were also equipped with some sheets that had that 390 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,080 we started reviewing some materials for that kind of thing yeah yes and I think that is the idea so 391 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,720 yeah absolutely I think we need to continue moving on that because you're right misinformation 392 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:38,320 immediately creates and and once you get missus information and you say well they lied yeah then 393 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:47,680 your son yeah yeah yeah I think time to overcome that new generation okay this is good okay I know 394 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,600 I've heard I think we have consensus that I can share with them that we are good with the work plan 395 00:42:53,600 --> 00:43:00,800 yes probably okay all right we're ready to move on yes ma'am all right we are moving now over to 396 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:08,480 hlc 25-065 is to hold a discussion and give staff direction on the historic flame art 397 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:14,160 commission's request for local historic designation and eligible historic properties 398 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:24,320 anyone have any one degree for besides mr frosty's we've had him on there 399 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:30,800 and I suppose we never heard anything from that other piece of property this 400 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:38,240 the piece with the dead cow I was wondering about that that's right so you weren't here for that 401 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:48,080 maybe I don't you might have been absent as well um yeah basically by order of the property yes 402 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:55,680 oh okay so they found the owner no oh the people that they didn't get a hold of that would go 403 00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:02,000 between is that you get lost we're not interested kind of thing situation so okay we'll get an 404 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:08,560 update because I asked for I'd ask for an update if there was a follow-up besides the weather 405 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,200 she talked about a phone call anyway um yeah we'll get that 406 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:20,720 I wonder because I'm and I've mentioned this a couple of times but I did today about 407 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:27,520 some of the homes the properties that are on the same street at the back side of twu it's on the 408 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:33,920 other side of austin street I can't remember what the name of that street is but I don't know if we 409 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:41,600 have a map that can tell us if those properties are owned by twu or if they're individually owned 410 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:49,200 because there's east side and no I think it's the west side oh the west side the west side 411 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:56,160 you know where austin street is right so you have um it's that side oh that's the west side 412 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,400 oh it is the west side I'm back I'm sorry it is the west side definitely information we can 413 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:07,600 get for you if that's there is there's some structures that have the architect 414 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:14,160 and you don't really notice it when I'm walking I noticed it and they're just gorgeous and I think 415 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,960 you know I wonder if that was original but when they did twu because some of the architecture 416 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,920 looks very similar like if that was back in a teach ridge that they had or maybe a small dorm 417 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,040 that they had but there's some really cool things over there so that's why I'm interested in 418 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:37,920 branching out after we do those but those are the properties that come to my mind so that is on the 419 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:49,440 west the west side there's a cul-de-sac right two doors down from me uh off an archer trail that 420 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:59,920 have a handful of houses that are all super like mid-century stuff that uh I wouldn't mind trying 421 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:05,840 to figure out make sure they qualify you said that cul-de-sac off archer trail yeah I can't 422 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:11,440 think of the name of it it's like two percent for me so I'm trying to remember they did a historic 423 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:23,920 circle patricks live uh in one of those houses the architect yeah we can pull up some of the 424 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:30,480 whole historic space later okay are those mountain miller houses because I know there are some of 425 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,840 those over there who is that mount miller houses I'm not sure I don't know much I don't know anything 426 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,600 like the history of them I mean let me I'll find them just so we have that'd be Allen Adale circle 427 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:47,840 yeah got it yeah perfect Allen Adale circle oh is that what you were saying no no okay all right 428 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:54,560 you have it on the screen Allen not that magic oh you lived on that trail I knew that I know that 429 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:08,160 house that belonged to them but it would be 115 and 111 for sure maybe the one right next one 430 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:20,400 all right we're moving on to hlc 25-066 all the discussion regarding the historic landmark 431 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:37,360 commission project matrix okay so we have further discussion regarding historical merit 432 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,080 warrant action the hlc pursuing preservation of the former entry wall at part playstation 433 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,160 discussion of the approximate cost to preserve the entry wall that discussion is scheduled for 434 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,920 february oh that's for february yes okay uh creation of subcommittees potential creation 435 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:57,520 of new historic district on north locust street north elm street uh we had that it was created 436 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,760 so you were up to speed nice just that hlc faq and historic processes document which 437 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,280 commissioner mcgow is mentioned and that is ongoing they're working on this document 438 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,640 a discussion of creation of possible historic designation for north locust street north elm 439 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,520 street corridors again that is ongoing and we've made some progress tonight by creating a sub 440 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:25,600 committee to assist and we're gonna have check-ins at every meeting yes we will have a standing 441 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:33,520 standing check in on there no need to put it on yes we will be checking in on that then continue 442 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,560 researching new or updated programming to incentivize historic preservation which that 443 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,680 is camera and that is on the building and then annual update preparing the annual study of this 444 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:50,240 potential landmarks and districts that is a goal that is continuing that is ongoing and we 445 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:57,440 potentially added some additional properties tonight for the questions for additions only question 446 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:04,320 i go ahead go ahead um on the subcommittee they're allowed to call and ask us questions 447 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:10,320 correct we're not going to meet with them but if they had a question i mean each that group 448 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:19,760 i think if one member of the committee calls one member of hlc and then they don't talk otherwise 449 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:26,320 i'm okay so okay so commissioner treat is going to interview ask you some questions 450 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,800 commissioner treat is going to go and report back to his subcommittee members that's fine 451 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,560 commissioner treat is not going to report back to hlc as a whole no no no you're okay okay 452 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,960 that's fine okay so um i would like to uh make a motion for new item to include other metrics 453 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,040 matrix as you may remember last time uh cameron gave a report about the south ridge historical 454 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:55,600 resources uh survey um and the presentation of san xin elementary and part of that was 455 00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:03,040 the survey was a discovery of the remnants of sign yeah um basically one of the original like 456 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:10,880 lots for sale signs for the subdivision like mid-60s um i went out there and uh took a look 457 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,440 for the sign myself um after talking to the property owner because you know it's texas and 458 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:23,520 you know yeah um so uh the sign has it's beautiful what has one of the earliest maps of the lot 459 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:29,840 subdivision the street names things like that but it is also to my untrained eye in incredibly poor 460 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:35,600 shape like if it was visited 20 years ago i'm not sure that would be soon enough but uh i would like 461 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:41,760 to ask if it is possible for someone from the staff who actually does know what they're doing 462 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,160 to go out take a look at it see if there's any sort of preservation triage that can be done 463 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,800 and if not determine if there's any information that needs to be captured off the sign before it 464 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:57,280 gets integrated completely oh and also the uh the property owner who's the professor at uofd law 465 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:04,480 school um mentions that uh they are thinking about developing that property sometime this year so 466 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:11,840 there is i mean not a not a countdown clock but a ticking clock no that sign is technically theirs 467 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:19,040 do you get a sense of how they feel about that sign um as per my conversation with him he is 468 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:27,840 explicitly willing to donate it to a uh okay yeah okay so we have a motion by commissioner black 469 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:50,400 we have a second to add it to the matrix second okay all in favor nice any other business 470 00:51:50,400 --> 00:52:01,200 to discuss okay uh i guess maybe for council uh the subcommittee um i just want to make sure 471 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:07,120 i understand that it's only three people so it's not a quorum so we can meet anytime we want to 472 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:12,160 we can talk about anything we want to correct as long as we're not also talking to the rest of the 473 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,920 committee correct okay we would be the users to get done email addresses for communication with 474 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,240 so i would really enjoy that okay okay that would be great okay thank you 475 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:32,640 okay carly you have an item i do have a concluding item this is my last meeting with all of you 476 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:39,120 i accepted a new position as the national sales manager for discovered 477 00:52:39,120 --> 00:53:02,240 it and i'm very excited right now because um this was my favorite award but that will be a 478 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,720 really great hand vanessa who is here tonight you might be taking over or cathy wellborn who is 479 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:12,800 way more experienced than me anyways and who covered it when lacy left for those of you who 480 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,400 were sticking through so but i did want to let you know thank you all for having me for the last 481 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:46,160 year good luck glad you're sticking around trying to all right anything else 482 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,440 All right we're adjourned.