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 >> Good morning and welcome to this meeting of the Mobility Committee in the city of Denton.

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 It's 9 AM, we have a quorum present, so dive into the agenda.

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 Items for individual consideration, item A is consider approval of the meeting minutes of October 8th.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> All in favor?

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 >> Aye. >> All in favor?

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 >> Aye. >> All right, minutes are approved.

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 Item B, receive an updated report and hold the discussion regarding the North Central Texas Council of Governments Policy Bundle Program.

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 >> Good morning everybody.

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 I'm Haley Salazar and I'm with the Traffic Engineering Department at the City of Denton, and, let's see.

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 >> If you could have a view.

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 >> View.

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 Thank you.

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 So I'm here today for the purpose of providing an update to our policy bundle initiatives.

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 So just some background on what the policy bundle is.

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 It's a list of policies that we can adopt.

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 So it is voluntary, and the intent is it's part of Mobility 2045.

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 And these are, like I said, they're voluntary policies, but

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 they're strategic initiatives we can adopt that are complementary to the actual build out of infrastructure.

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 And if we adopt half or more of these, we receive an offset of funds.

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 So these funds are not cash in hand, they are called TDCs, or Transportation Development Credits, and a credit is $1 million.

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 We found in August that we satisfied 15 of the 20 initiatives, so we received 0.75 credits,

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 or $750,000 to use towards qualifying projects.

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 Just a note on the TDCs, it's population based in terms of the size of the award.

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 So had we have satisfied all 20 or just 10, it still would have been $750,000.

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 So here are some of the initiatives that we satisfied that earned us the credits.

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 So we've got clean fleet, niling restrictions in our air quality, storm water management, safe access to schools, and so on.

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 So these are ones that we were already doing as a city.

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 But being proactive, we wanted to take a look at the initiatives that we did not achieve to qualify for these credits.

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 And we took a look at these initiatives, and wrong way driving and taking actions to reduce wrong way driving stood out as the most pertinent to move forward and investigate.

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 And that's because we have a lot of corridors along I-35, Loop 288, and then streets within the city of Denton where we've got one way streets.

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 And while wrong way driving only makes up, the crashes only make up less than 10% of all crashes, it's got the highest fatality rate out of all crashes.

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 So we wanted to take this seriously and dive in and see what we could do here in Denton.

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 And so what we're going to need to do is work with the COG staff and RTC to implement the strategies.

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 We want to work with them because they've already implemented in 2014 strategies in Dallas County as a phase one.

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 And then phase two, they implemented strategies in Tarrant County.

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 And during that time, Carrollton as part of Denton County and part of Collin Counties also adopted some of these strategies to move forward and reduce wrong way driving.

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 In their area.

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 So this is a safety program and the type will be joint staff coordination.

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 And what that means is we're going to want to look at our corridors first.

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 And so that's a partnership with TxDOT.

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 So the next steps, we're going to locate all of our one way roads.

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 And luckily, we have a very up to date GIS system.

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 So it'll be a quick poll of all of the one way streets in GIS.

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 And we're going to take those and look at our existing crash data and wrong way driving data statistics.

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 And if necessary, we'll take that and do some studies to provide any supplementary information we need to go ahead and make recommendations to the group.

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 And that's it.

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 Do we have any questions?

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 >> Councilman Briggs.

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 >> No, just a comment because I'm glad to see the transit and I know that we have transit in there already and air quality.

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 But since we have someone from DCTA, I just want to go ahead and say that those things are very important for

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 us here in the city and that the more cars that we can reduce in our city and

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 the more transit and buses we can add, the better it will be.

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 >> So we can definitely look at strategies that align with that, as well.

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 >> So I live on West Oak Street, which is one way, paired with Hickory.

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 And even within the last week, I had to hunk somebody down who was bearing directly at me.

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 And with the number of one-way streets we have, I'm sure we'll benefit from any attention on this issue.

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 But I wonder if you wouldn't mind going back to the list of the other NCT cog ideas.

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 >> Sure. >> Two slides back.

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 >> The ones we did or did not?

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 >> Have not yet done.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> And again, I totally understand that these are essentially just ideas for us.

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 But they're considered ideas, and I'm happy if we can derive a useful inspiration from them.

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 I note that a couple of them, three of them might dovetail well with the sustainability plan.

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 And I wonder what your thoughts are.

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 I mean, have you looked at these and said, wrong way driving, let's do that next?

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 Or wrong way driving, that's it.

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 Or do you think there's some opportunity on the others as well, and particularly the first three?

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 I guess that would be my question.

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 >> So based on previous discussions that we've had on this particular item,

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 our goal is to move slowly forward, taking one piece at a time.

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 So definitely we won't be overlooking or we won't be stopping at the wrong way driving.

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 We'll move forward and then slowly, I think the roadways part,

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 I can totally see that being part of our mobility plan, moving short.

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 That we recommend to bleed street cross-sections for all our street arterial roadway systems.

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 And then sustainability, definitely we are moving forward.

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 I think land use strategy is in parking management more on the development side.

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 But we're working closely with them for the land use plan.

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 And that dovetails into our mobility plan, yes.

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 So our ultimate goal is to have all of these somehow getting as close as we can.

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 And understanding that some of them may not be achievable, just getting diving deeper into that.

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 But we'll try and hit all of them as much as we can, one at a time.

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 >> Before I close, Council Member Briggs, I just suggest that you share those first three,

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 whatever we have on them with the folks who are working on the sustainability plan.

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 Maybe if you could parallel path, Council Member Briggs?

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 >> Yeah, I was just going to reiterate the same thing.

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 I mean, as we're working on the sustainability plan, I mentioned mobility.

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 That we were working on certain things as well.

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 So just to make sure that that communication between departments is there.

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 As we set our goals on air quality and what we can do there.

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 And sustainable development, that's an aspect of it.

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 And I know you mentioned that that's development services.

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 But we also are working on our new codes and updating that as well.

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 And so if there's a way to slip that in the conversation sooner than later, it would be great.

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 Especially parking management.

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 >> This is actually the perfect time -- oh, I'm sorry.

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 >> I was just going to say, I don't think Pre-Tem was alluding to or Haley

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 that we're not working with those other departments.

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 We totally agree with what you're saying.

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 I think this was just absolutely a attempt at what's a quick plan immediately.

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 What can we jump into?

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 The others absolutely require a lot of collaboration.

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 And should definitely not something that we're not putting on the back burner.

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 It's just what can we do immediately, very quickly.

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 And then these other initiatives, we start working with our partners to make sure that happens.

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 >> Just quickly, exactly, sorry.

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 >> Well, yeah, I just -- you said very quickly.

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 But what we're doing now is we're working on our sustainability plans coming very quickly as well.

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 So that's why I just brought it up.

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 >> So for our mobility plan, what we've done is gone through the land use data

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 with the planning and development department.

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 So we've combed through everything that's possible.

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 What is the zoning?

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 What is the future land use?

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 They're working on their land use map.

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 So all of that is being incorporated into our mobility.

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 So yes, there's a lot of coordination going on and we're talking about all these items.

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 It's just a matter of bringing them forward in this context.

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 That's what is -- that will happen slowly.

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 >> Yeah, I don't think you should hear any criticism in this or --

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 >> No, we don't.

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 >> Yeah, I mean, it's -- it might be as simple as giving them the opportunity to put it

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 in their plan as it's planned.

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 >> Absolutely.

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 >> Just get on the radar.

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 >> No, that's very good thoughts.

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 So we'll make sure that happens.

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 >> And this is the perfect time to have this conversation

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 because we're actually ramping up for round three.

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 So even though we just received notification that we met the initiatives in August

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 and got that -- the 750,000 come December is when we're going to start planning

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 to see what we can do to apply again for the next year for subsequent funding.

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 So we'll absolutely look at all the initiatives again and reach out to the other departments

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 and see, you know, what's changed since we've done this exercise last year.

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 So --

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 >> And to not only just sort of glance right over that, yay, congratulations.

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 >> Yeah, it's a clear guess.

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 Great job.

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 >> Thanks.

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 >> All right, then, we're done with that, thank you so much.

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 Have you presented before?

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 >> I did not mobility.

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 >> Well, welcome and congratulations on your first presentation of mobility.

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 >> Well, thank you, I appreciate it.

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 >> All right, we'll move on to item C, receive a report, hold a discussion

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 and give staff input regarding the city bike share program,

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 ridership statistics and program oversight.

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 >> Good morning, Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator for the City.

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 Today, I'm going to give an update about the bike share program,

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 just a little background about it and what's going on with it currently.

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 So the program in its current form began a little over a year ago, August 2018,

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 and it was a pilot program at first but was approved permanently in May of 2019.

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 We have one permitted provider currently, it's a company called Veyoride,

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 and they are working both with the city and with UNT, so we have a fleet

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 of up to 500 bicycles permitted in the city, 100 within the general city limits,

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 and 400 on UNT, and Veyoride has a direct agreement with UNT as well,

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 so it's kind of a three-way relationship.

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 So, great news, since last year, since this time last year,

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 we have had an explosion in ridership,

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 which from my perspective is really a wonderful thing.

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 Now, sometimes that comes with some collateral issues,

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 which we'll talk about a little bit, but overall, this is really a wonderful thing.

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 Veyoride did a great deal of outreach during the summer months

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 to the incoming freshman class, I don't know what they call it, not indoctrination,

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 but something like that, where they come in and they teach them all about college life,

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 and so they went, met with all these groups, told them about how it works,

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 got them signed up for the app and so forth, so that's a wonderful thing.

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 There have also been some other changes, so there was a fleet coordinator based here in Denton,

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 that was Sonia Vasquez, I think some of us are familiar with, she did a really great job,

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 but they had a change in their leadership, I think in late June,

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 Sonia went to a different job, and they hired someone else,

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 but this person has a slightly different title and responsibilities,

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 so she was a fleet coordinator, and now we have a full-time fleet technician,

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 and there is a difference in the responsibilities there,

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 where Sonia was more of a manager, a big picture, had big picture responsibilities,

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 and this new person has more focus on repair, rebalancing, and things like that,

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 so there have been some changes.

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 Within our ordinance, oh yeah.

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 >> Yeah, you may have just adopted and saying that, but within our ordinance,

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 do we have a distinction between who's supposed to be on staff and who isn't?

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 >> No, we just say there needs to be staff members based in Denton,

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 that's the only requirement, yeah.

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 And also, so within the ordinance, we do have the ability to levy penalties

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 if they're not complying with the requirements.

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 So far, we haven't done that, that has been my call,

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 I feel like they've been good to work with, and I've gotten good responses and so forth,

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 but we are due to this huge increase in ridership, I am coordinating with UNT to deal

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 with this higher volume of ridership, because we did get a number of different complaints

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 at the beginning of the semester, I think due to a number of different factors,

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 all of the new riders, unfamiliarity with how it works and so forth,

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 so we've been working on training users where and how to park correctly,

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 doing some of those sorts of things.

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 Let me just show you, so here is the chart, this shows ridership over the last year,

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 I think essentially since service started here in Denton, and that Mount Everest

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 on the right there is the ridership that we have had over the last,

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 basically August and September when school started.

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 I do have this, I exported this maybe three weeks ago when we were preparing for this,

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 and I will show you this, I, sorry, I exported this literally this morning,

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 so you can see we have the huge spike but we are having a drop off a little bit

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 in ridership generally, I think this is probably due to weather,

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 and maybe the novelty wore off or something, so that is the very latest sort of ridership,

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 but we are still way ahead, we are still double of where we were last year,

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 which to me is a great thing.

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 >> I'll just comment, in packaged goods that would be a typical trial and repeat curve.

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 >> Trial and repeat?

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 >> Yeah, people try and something new and then a certain percent of them repeat.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> You know, so not everybody decided it was, you know, great to be frequently,

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 might settle out, you know, some of the flow would be.

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 >> Yeah, and it looks like it will settle out higher than it used to be,

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 which I think is a positive.

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 Just some quick maps here, so this is showing where generally the bikes are dropped off,

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 this was as of a couple weeks ago when we prepared all the materials,

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 very highly concentrated on UNT, this is general ride path areas,

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 again very highly concentrated on UNT, there are definitely other paths,

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 but I think it is so heavily used on UNT, such a high percentage of the ridership is

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 at UNT that it sort of, it makes the outside ridership not appear

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 with, you know, the way the software is set up.

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 So, just a little discussion, we, when we got the complaint at the beginning

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 of the semester, we communicated with the company, brought it to their attention,

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 this was brought up at the October Committee on Persons with Disabilities meeting

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 and we had our local representative come and address the committee,

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 talk about some of this, I think it was good on both ends for the committee to learn

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 about what exactly is bike share, but also for him to see that if a right of way,

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 if a sidewalk or something is blocked, that can be a major hindrance

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 for someone using mobility device or something like that.

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 So, I think it helped to underline, to make that contact.

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 Some other things coming up, here at the bottom, so there's both a general

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 like 24-hour Vail Ride contact, but then we also, our local contact,

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 Tim Courtney, is absolutely available and hears his, you know, direct contact information.

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 When we hear from people, we don't send them to Vail Ride.

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 I received the complaint and communicated directly to them.

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 >> Council Member Rich, do you have a question?

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 >> Yeah. So, Tim Courtney, does he live in Denton?

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 >> Yep.

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 >> Okay. And so, when he receives the complaint,

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 he specifically goes and moves the bike?

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 >> Well, he's the lead, but they have several other rebalancers,

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 I guess fleet rebalancers.

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 So, it would depend who's on duty at that time or who's closest to that location.

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 They use both people on foot or on bikes to move bikes and then they have like a van,

00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:32.320
 it's like a Ford Transit van that they move around with.

00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:36.240
 My feedback would just be that I'm really glad that the bikes are being used.

00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:41.040
 I think it's fantastic that ridership is up, but I also think that we have an ordinance

00:17:41.040 --> 00:17:45.360
 and a place so that we can hold up our end of the bargain to make sure

00:17:45.360 --> 00:17:48.080
 that the bikes stay out of the right way.

00:17:48.080 --> 00:17:54.240
 And so, I just, I want to make sure that if they aren't doing their job,

00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.480
 that we are still enforcing it and we're doing ours.

00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.880
 That would just be my only comment.

00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:04.360
 I think these bikes are really great to have in the city.

00:18:04.360 --> 00:18:09.800
 But I also saw three of them yesterday on sidewalks blocking them.

00:18:09.800 --> 00:18:12.120
 So, and that was just yesterday.

00:18:12.120 --> 00:18:16.480
 So, I would like to make sure that we're doing our 24 hours,

00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:22.480
 that we are making them stay true to what they said they would do.

00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:27.480
 And that if, I remember during the conversation there was something about geo-fencing.

00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:33.640
 So, if the bike isn't in a correct location, is the rider still being charged?

00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:41.440
 Is that part of what's going on or was that part of the conversation on geo-fencing?

00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:48.760
 >> I know geo-fencing is part of it.

00:18:48.760 --> 00:18:51.760
 I don't know specifically about whether they're still charged.

00:18:51.760 --> 00:18:58.520
 I thought the bike started making a noise when they went out of the service area.

00:18:58.520 --> 00:19:03.320
 So, I don't know if it's, if it is a parking thing.

00:19:03.320 --> 00:19:05.560
 >> Yeah, if we could just find out more about that.

00:19:05.560 --> 00:19:06.000
 >> Yeah.

00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:11.880
 >> Because that was my understanding was that if the bike wasn't in a correct location,

00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.560
 then it wouldn't take off or something like that.

00:19:15.560 --> 00:19:17.400
 So, I could be wrong.

00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:19.520
 >> A couple things I will add also.

00:19:19.520 --> 00:19:24.600
 This Thursday, we are having a meeting with the regional Bay of Rides managers

00:19:24.600 --> 00:19:28.960
 out of Austin, I believe, myself, and UNT to talk about some of these issues

00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:31.880
 since we're having such higher ridership.

00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:35.320
 What they were doing last year isn't going to cut it for this year.

00:19:35.320 --> 00:19:39.600
 And make sure that we are communicating that need.

00:19:39.600 --> 00:19:42.920
 And I will communicate that to him as well.

00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:49.400
 I have seen they're working on an educational video.

00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:51.000
 About correct parking.

00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.160
 I've seen a version of that.

00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:59.920
 Also, their app, they are adding a feature for employees to be able

00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:04.640
 to report violations directly in the app.

00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:12.040
 And communicate directly to the last person who parked it.

00:20:12.040 --> 00:20:19.640
 Yeah, so those are upcoming efforts with Bay of Rides.

00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:22.600
 >> That's seven out of seven.

00:20:22.600 --> 00:20:24.120
 Let's wait until the next page.

00:20:24.120 --> 00:20:25.600
 Usually there's one that says questions.

00:20:25.600 --> 00:20:33.600
 [ Laughter ]

00:20:33.600 --> 00:20:36.800
 That issue is the key issue is making sure to keep them off the sidewalks.

00:20:36.800 --> 00:20:39.680
 I imagine you saw the social media post the other day

00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:43.680
 that on Hector Street where three mysteriously appeared in front of,

00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:49.400
 not that a seven-year-old person couldn't ride, but the constituents

00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:53.320
 in that age group, three bikes appeared on our sidewalk at night, mysteriously.

00:20:53.320 --> 00:20:55.280
 They were gone the next day.

00:20:55.280 --> 00:20:57.720
 No one knows why they were there.

00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:02.640
 But, yeah, I'm sure that's what we're going to do.

00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:04.000
 Thank you.

00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:08.560
 Ready?

00:21:08.560 --> 00:21:10.920
 >> Yeah, I'm good.

00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:12.680
 >> Yeah, okay.

00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:16.800
 Let's move on to item D, receiver report and hold the discussion

00:21:16.800 --> 00:21:20.440
 about the updates from the Devin County Transportation Authority.

00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:21.440
 >> Good morning.

00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:22.560
 >> attorney champion.

00:21:22.560 --> 00:21:23.880
 >> Freezing cold morning.

00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:24.880
 I'm Nicole Rucker.

00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.080
 I'm the vice president of marketing and administration at DCTA.

00:21:28.080 --> 00:21:31.040
 And I'm going to provide some updates.

00:21:31.040 --> 00:21:34.920
 I will, in full transparency, say that as we get toward the holidays,

00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:36.480
 things slow down just a little bit.

00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.920
 So I will not have as many updates as I normally do.

00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:40.800
 But I did just receive word.

00:21:40.800 --> 00:21:44.280
 And Troy, if I mess this up, speak up.

00:21:44.280 --> 00:21:49.120
 But yesterday we opened up some ADA infrastructure on McKinney East

00:21:49.120 --> 00:21:53.560
 of Woodrow right in front of the fountains and the veranda.

00:21:53.560 --> 00:21:57.600
 So I know that that had been a topic of conversation in the past.

00:21:57.600 --> 00:22:01.880
 There are a lot of individuals that live there that need ADA requirements.

00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:07.240
 And that infrastructure was not in place, but as of yesterday it is now.

00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:14.280
 So hopefully we'll see improved ridership there as well as fewer complaints coming

00:22:14.280 --> 00:22:17.560
 from those individuals that needed access to a service.

00:22:17.560 --> 00:22:23.320
 So our big focus right now are really service changes.

00:22:23.320 --> 00:22:27.720
 We typically do service changes twice a year.

00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.200
 We, right now, are kind of looking at a phased approach.

00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:34.360
 So the first area that we're really looking at are the Denton Connect routes

00:22:34.360 --> 00:22:38.880
 on Bonnie Bray in conjunction with the construction completion.

00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:43.280
 So I know that construction is slated for completion at the end of January.

00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:49.720
 So we are doing what we need to do right now to kind of revert back to an old iteration

00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:54.440
 of service that was really successful but that we had to move because of the construction.

00:22:54.440 --> 00:23:01.160
 So we are preparing internally for what that iteration looks like and how we're going

00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.680
 to communicate it so that as soon as we get the green light from the city

00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:10.480
 that the construction is complete and that we can automatically communicate with customers

00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:14.640
 that service has now been rerouted back to Bonnie Bray.

00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:21.040
 So we just want to be cognizant of any timelines, any construction timelines and make sure

00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:26.200
 that we're not out there saying we're going to revert service on this day simply because we know

00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.400
 that with weather and some of the unknowns that we need

00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:31.600
 to be a little bit flexible with that communication.

00:23:31.600 --> 00:23:37.560
 So what route is that on Bonnie Bray?

00:23:37.560 --> 00:23:43.680
 >> Impacts Route 7 and also Discovery Park for UNT.

00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:45.120
 >> Okay.

00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:47.440
 >> So will it go through the roundabout?

00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:52.200
 I had the impression that that bus is going to be able to make it through that.

00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.720
 >> No, our hope is that they can.

00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.480
 We're going to find out today.

00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.040
 They've got some temporary lanes open.

00:23:59.040 --> 00:24:02.400
 >> We're talking about Bonnie Bray and Scripture.

00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:06.920
 It was designed for buses, for fire trucks, for waste.

00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:08.080
 They can make it through.

00:24:08.080 --> 00:24:08.600
 >> Okay.

00:24:08.600 --> 00:24:14.640
 >> It's just we had asked DCTA not to go through while we were during construction

00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.760
 until we had it open in all directions.

00:24:16.760 --> 00:24:25.200
 >> Sure. What is contemplated as far as providing service to the new development

00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:30.960
 in Razor Ranch realizing that it's not there now, it's partly there, but it's supposed to be.

00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:35.160
 >> I feel like Troy needs a chair.

00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:39.360
 For those of you who have not heard of Troy Rowley, he's our Vice President of Bus --

00:24:39.360 --> 00:24:40.360
 I just gave you a promotion.

00:24:40.360 --> 00:24:40.920
 >> Hey.

00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.560
 >> Director of Bus Operations and Maintenance.

00:24:44.560 --> 00:24:50.840
 So he is the one that knows those routes inside and out, knows every single stop.

00:24:50.840 --> 00:24:53.120
 And so I defer to the subject matter expert.

00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:55.400
 >> Well, thank you.

00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.160
 What we need on the Razor Ranch development -- right now it's all privately held.

00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:01.160
 It needs to be public.

00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.840
 The streets need to be in front of the city before we can actually drive on them.

00:25:04.840 --> 00:25:05.080
 >> Sure.

00:25:05.080 --> 00:25:08.000
 >> So once that takes place, then we can start planning

00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.520
 on putting some sort of service in that area.

00:25:11.520 --> 00:25:16.960
 Currently we don't service the north side because Wal-Mart does not want us on their property.

00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:22.920
 Because it's the damage to the lot, I think, is our concern and the traffic.

00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:25.240
 So we stay on university.

00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:28.400
 Now on the Razor on the south side, we can put service in there,

00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.680
 but we really need it to be a public street.

00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.120
 >> It would need to be public to plan it, right?

00:25:34.120 --> 00:25:36.280
 I mean, you must be thinking about it.

00:25:36.280 --> 00:25:37.240
 >> Yeah, we're thinking about it.

00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:38.240
 We have plans.

00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:39.440
 >> Oh, okay.

00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:43.720
 But we really have to have -- we have to have some infrastructure put on there,

00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:48.720
 traffic lights, and also it has to be a public street.

00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.920
 >> It's my understanding that we had that conversation a while ago

00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:58.720
 and there are some public streets on there already, that there were still some that weren't,

00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:00.560
 but there's some that have.

00:26:00.560 --> 00:26:01.920
 >> In the Razor Ranch development?

00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:02.160
 >> Yeah.

00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:02.600
 >> Yes.

00:26:02.600 --> 00:26:02.800
 >> Yeah.

00:26:02.800 --> 00:26:06.680
 >> So Heritage Trail, it's a public roadway.

00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:10.400
 Portions of it just have not been constructed or accepted.

00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.720
 And then when the, for example, portion of the scripture,

00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.400
 the culture of the interstate have been constructed.

00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.200
 And then there are the connections between the body and brain have not been constructed.

00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:22.560
 >> Yeah.

00:26:22.560 --> 00:26:23.080
 >> Yeah.

00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:27.320
 >> This one, friends, is the beauty of having this committee to make these connections.

00:26:27.320 --> 00:26:32.680
 >> What you have to understand is we need heritage to run all the way through.

00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.920
 >> We completely understand that they are constructing that.

00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:40.440
 >> And they have also, so the construction of Heritage Trail right now,

00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:48.360
 there's about 300 or 400 feet where construction was not performed.

00:26:48.360 --> 00:26:53.640
 Well, they actually had to make it out twice as it was developed in early cracking.

00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:58.760
 So we're going through a period right now where they're correcting that before we can even open

00:26:58.760 --> 00:27:03.280
 that piece up and then just to the south of that, punching it all the way through scripture,

00:27:03.280 --> 00:27:08.360
 that's still the New York First Amendment to do, and he has not completed that yet.

00:27:08.360 --> 00:27:12.800
 >> So would you mind sharing what your, you know, preliminary thoughts are

00:27:12.800 --> 00:27:17.480
 about once the roads actually are functioning and the gear is in place,

00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.280
 but you know, how you might wrap through it?

00:27:20.280 --> 00:27:26.280
 >> Well, right now, actually, we have someone, a consultant that's looking at all that.

00:27:26.280 --> 00:27:30.720
 So it'd be premature to say that obviously we need to put some sort of transfer point

00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.480
 in there because we have several things that connect in that area.

00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:39.560
 And it'd be ideal to serve it because we all, you know, there's a lot of service type jobs

00:27:39.560 --> 00:27:41.880
 in that area that do use our service.

00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.320
 We realize the need that's there.

00:27:43.320 --> 00:27:48.000
 So we just have to look at it and see how we can get a 30,

00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.000
 35 foot bus in and out of there and with traffic patterns.

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.240
 >> And we do meet routinely with the city to make sure that we're up to date

00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.400
 on construction that's happening so that we know when we're getting closer to the point

00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.560
 where we can pull the trigger on saying, "Here are some proposed options."

00:28:04.560 --> 00:28:11.680
 So we kind of coordinate our service modeling in conjunction with our work with the city.

00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:17.280
 >> And there's a signal plan for university and heritage trail.

00:28:17.280 --> 00:28:20.480
 We're still waiting on the final approval from TxDOT at the moment.

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:22.640
 >> I think it's under, it's under design.

00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:23.240
 >> Is that okay?

00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.160
 >> I just, all right.

00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.120
 >> So, and we were going through that process of getting them

00:28:28.120 --> 00:28:32.360
 to actually warrant a signal before it was deemed warranted based

00:28:32.360 --> 00:28:33.800
 on proposed volumes of text.

00:28:33.800 --> 00:28:40.200
 That doesn't like to do, but they, somehow they get talked into by our, which is awesome.

00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:45.720
 And then I'll have to get with you guys on what traffic control is actually planned

00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.720
 for scripture and the other end of the area.

00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:51.880
 >> Heritage trail and scripture, yeah.

00:28:51.880 --> 00:29:01.000
 [ Inaudible ]

00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.280
 >> But I would say that Razor Ranch is very high on our,

00:29:04.280 --> 00:29:07.400
 on our list of areas that need to be served.

00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.000
 It's a weekly conversation, at least in the conversations I'm in.

00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:16.760
 So, you know, we are very well aware that there's a need, not only for those needing employment,

00:29:16.760 --> 00:29:21.400
 but also just for those who want to get around and shop or go grocery shopping

00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.320
 or, so it's an indefinite area of focus for us.

00:29:25.320 --> 00:29:26.600
 >> That's where the land is in question.

00:29:26.600 --> 00:29:27.480
 >> Yeah.

00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.560
 >> You mentioned, I thought I heard you say you weren't going to move service back

00:29:31.560 --> 00:29:34.040
 on the body break until after the first of the year.

00:29:34.040 --> 00:29:36.920
 >> Once the construction is complete, because the city has asked for us

00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.600
 to not operate the bus until that construction is 100%.

00:29:40.600 --> 00:29:43.960
 >> And my understanding was when we had the temporary road is what we didn't want.

00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.240
 But now that the roundabout is open, it's open in all four directions.

00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.680
 I mean, if you need to have two lanes open to get a bus through,

00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:51.880
 then it's not properly designed.

00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.360
 I mean, we've got one lane going through on the roundabout.

00:29:56.360 --> 00:29:57.480
 If you're voting.

00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.160
 >> No, they can go through it now.

00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.760
 We just wanted to move off of it when we were still under construction

00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:06.120
 and didn't have all lanes open in each direction.

00:30:06.120 --> 00:30:08.760
 >> So they should be able to move up back to chronic right now,

00:30:08.760 --> 00:30:10.760
 as opposed to waiting until after the first.

00:30:10.760 --> 00:30:11.000
 >> Correct.

00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.880
 >> So they don't have to wait until the beginning of the year, is what you're saying.

00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.440
 >> Right. Now that it's open in all directions.

00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:16.840
 >> Goodness.

00:30:16.840 --> 00:30:20.760
 >> Yeah, so I believe that there was a discussion that happened yesterday.

00:30:20.760 --> 00:30:23.960
 >> Early this morning, so.

00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:30.520
 >> Yeah, so I've talked to Troy and I offered that we meet, our project manager can meet them

00:30:30.520 --> 00:30:33.800
 and then they can drive a bus and see if there are any barrel moving

00:30:33.800 --> 00:30:35.720
 or any changes that they think that are needed.

00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:39.320
 Because we have enough buffer in that area that we can adjust

00:30:39.320 --> 00:30:41.400
 if they think that their buses cannot make it through.

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.000
 And then, yes, they can start that.

00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:48.680
 >> Because currently, you have an unrestricted pattern, right?

00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:57.480
 So the issues with the temporary lanes right now, so.

00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.640
 >> Okay, so it'd be nice to do the middle of your update.

00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.960
 >> So you were doing that, running that test run?

00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:04.280
 >> Yes.

00:31:04.280 --> 00:31:08.120
 >> Okay, so it looks like we will have an update based on the test run.

00:31:08.120 --> 00:31:16.200
 And then I can e-mail, I can e-mail Mario or Preetam can e-mail the committee

00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.040
 and let you know what the update is.

00:31:18.040 --> 00:31:18.200
 >> Great.

00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:19.880
 >> See how quickly we move?

00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:20.120
 >> Yeah.

00:31:20.120 --> 00:31:23.400
 >> I mean, just in the last 12 hours.

00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:24.040
 >> Like water.

00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:24.360
 >> Yeah.

00:31:24.360 --> 00:31:28.040
 >> So yeah, we paused you on that item.

00:31:28.040 --> 00:31:28.600
 >> It's okay.

00:31:28.600 --> 00:31:30.520
 >> Do you have some more you want to share?

00:31:30.520 --> 00:31:31.480
 >> Sure, yeah, absolutely.

00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:36.280
 So we do offer some on-demand service in the Denton Enterprise area.

00:31:36.280 --> 00:31:38.840
 We call it the Denton Enterprise Airport Zone.

00:31:38.840 --> 00:31:41.160
 We've been running that service for about a year and a half.

00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.640
 We've been looking at, do we potentially modify the service?

00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:50.040
 Or do we remove the service in totality?

00:31:50.040 --> 00:31:53.400
 And the recommendation that we are taking to our board in early December

00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.120
 is that we are going to be removing that service as a whole.

00:31:56.120 --> 00:31:59.080
 We have very low ridership on that service.

00:31:59.080 --> 00:32:03.560
 We've been keeping our board apprised of that issue

00:32:03.560 --> 00:32:06.360
 and some of the modifications that might be made.

00:32:06.360 --> 00:32:11.560
 And the final recommendation is to go ahead and just remove that service in completion.

00:32:11.560 --> 00:32:19.080
 >> What about, like, there's Peterbilt, there's the Target Distribution Center,

00:32:19.080 --> 00:32:22.520
 there's Tetra Pak, there's a lot of other places out there.

00:32:22.520 --> 00:32:26.040
 Is there another bus stop or in there?

00:32:26.040 --> 00:32:32.760
 Because it's very important that we see transportation as a basic service to get people to their jobs.

00:32:32.760 --> 00:32:36.360
 >> Absolutely. So the one really unique thing about that area is that,

00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:38.520
 because it is very well defined,

00:32:38.520 --> 00:32:41.800
 we have great working relationships with all of the businesses in that area.

00:32:41.800 --> 00:32:46.760
 And so we have been, myself included, multiple times to those businesses to say,

00:32:46.760 --> 00:32:51.080
 how can we best offer transportation services?

00:32:51.080 --> 00:32:54.280
 What are your employees needing from transportation services?

00:32:54.280 --> 00:32:58.280
 A lot of those organizations out there provide their own transportation service.

00:32:58.280 --> 00:33:05.800
 So whether it's a van or, most of them are like a 10 to like a 15 person passenger van.

00:33:05.800 --> 00:33:12.680
 And so the consensus has been that they don't need the transportation in that area.

00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:14.920
 We currently have three people using the service.

00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.400
 And they're using it consistently.

00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.200
 And so we are working with those three individuals

00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:24.040
 to come up with another modification for them,

00:33:24.040 --> 00:33:26.920
 in order for them to still use transit to get to work.

00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:33.400
 But we're running a fairly expensive service for three individuals.

00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.480
 It's not the best use of funding.

00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:41.400
 And we feel like we're confident that there are other ways that we can get those individuals to work.

00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:47.160
 I will continue to reach out to those businesses and maintain those relationships.

00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.680
 And should something change?

00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:52.840
 I mean, the whole reason that we were able to launch this pilot service

00:33:52.840 --> 00:33:54.920
 was because there was interest from businesses.

00:33:55.560 --> 00:34:00.040
 And so we're pretty responsive as far as if there's a big group of people

00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:02.920
 that need to use transit to get out there.

00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.640
 We're willing to be flexible and nimble to kind of put service out there.

00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.000
 But thus far, it has not been as successful as what we had anticipated.

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:15.480
 So are you confident that it will be around the same price?

00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.160
 You said you're confident you can find other services for them to get them to work.

00:34:22.600 --> 00:34:26.680
 We believe that to move those three people is going to be significantly cheaper.

00:34:26.680 --> 00:34:29.960
 So we've got some great partnerships with Lyft,

00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:34.280
 where we can actually subsidize a Lyft trip for someone.

00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.160
 And so rather than us doing that first loss mile connection,

00:34:37.160 --> 00:34:38.600
 Lyft can provide that service.

00:34:38.600 --> 00:34:41.800
 And it is significantly less expensive.

00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:47.560
 And maybe that's another kind of tool in our tool belt that we utilize to determine

00:34:47.560 --> 00:34:51.320
 what gets people to and from where they need to go in that specific area.

00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.000
 Versus us putting an operator in a bus out there to rent service that's not being utilized.

00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:01.080
 But I will continue those relationships.

00:35:01.080 --> 00:35:02.840
 We'll continue those conversations.

00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:09.800
 And again, if there's a need, we really do our best to be as responsive as we possibly can.

00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.160
 And certainly, if any of you hear of anything from any of those businesses out in that area,

00:35:15.160 --> 00:35:15.960
 please let me know.

00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.520
 Because I always try to stay as engaged as possible with them.

00:35:20.520 --> 00:35:23.080
 Because we like to be offering more service out there.

00:35:23.080 --> 00:35:25.160
 But we need folks to utilize it.

00:35:25.160 --> 00:35:29.880
 So that recommendation will be going to our board next month.

00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:35.000
 The plan is to kind of pull that service in early February.

00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.800
 Obviously, making sure that those who do currently use that system are taken care of

00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:45.320
 and have a plan that it does not interrupt how they are getting to and from where they need to go.

00:35:47.240 --> 00:35:52.600
 And then the last kind of service change that we are looking at, and I mentioned last month,

00:35:52.600 --> 00:35:55.240
 is through our transformation initiative.

00:35:55.240 --> 00:36:00.920
 And so we are coordinating with some external vendors to kind of look at

00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:02.920
 our entire service area as a whole.

00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.000
 And looking at it almost like from scratch.

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:10.520
 So not looking at our existing service, but really more looking at the landscape of our service area.

00:36:10.520 --> 00:36:15.000
 And what type of service offerings would be the most beneficial to provide.

00:36:15.720 --> 00:36:18.280
 One that would get folks where they need to go.

00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.640
 But also would show an increase in ridership.

00:36:21.640 --> 00:36:24.200
 And so we are pretty excited about that.

00:36:24.200 --> 00:36:29.400
 We are looking to bring a consultant, a recommendation for a consultant to our board.

00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:36.680
 My hope is in the first quarter of 2020, originally we were slated for January.

00:36:36.680 --> 00:36:41.560
 But we were having some conversations with our three member cities about that scope of work.

00:36:41.560 --> 00:36:45.720
 And so making some modifications, and so it may be pushed to February

00:36:45.720 --> 00:36:48.200
 that we would be bringing that consultant to our board for approval.

00:36:48.200 --> 00:36:52.680
 But then that conversation is really going to help inform

00:36:52.680 --> 00:36:55.960
 topics that we talk a lot about here.

00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:57.320
 So like our service standards.

00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.920
 So what warrants a bench at a bus stop?

00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:03.000
 What warrants a shelter at a bus stop?

00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:07.000
 What do we do with all of the existing bus stop amenities that we have

00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.440
 or that currently aren't being used?

00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:12.600
 How do we utilize those to the best of our ability to provide those amenities to our riders?

00:37:12.600 --> 00:37:15.880
 So we're really excited about this project.

00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:21.240
 Because we think that it will kind of revolutionize not only the service that we provide.

00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:24.200
 But also kind of the standards at which we provide that service.

00:37:24.200 --> 00:37:26.520
 So we're very excited about that.

00:37:26.520 --> 00:37:31.800
 And then just an update that yesterday we did kick off

00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.960
 the inclement weather shuttle that we operate in conjunction with the city of Denton.

00:37:36.680 --> 00:37:41.720
 And so anytime the temperature either goes above a certain degree or below a certain degree,

00:37:41.720 --> 00:37:47.880
 we work very closely with the city to implement shuttles to get individuals to shelters.

00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.960
 And so we communicate that out to not only the Denton social service agencies,

00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.160
 but also the Louisville social service agencies.

00:37:55.160 --> 00:37:58.920
 Because the capacity is so limited in Louisville that a lot of times they

00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:03.880
 send their folks northbound to Denton since Denton has more beds available.

00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:09.000
 And so we did launch that inclement shuttle last night and then obviously this morning

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.920
 to get people back to where they need.

00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.880
 But we're working very closely with the city because we have some cold nights coming

00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.040
 that we want to make sure that we're providing that human service

00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:23.400
 as well and making sure that people are staying warm.

00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:24.680
 How did it go?

00:38:24.680 --> 00:38:27.000
 Did people find their way to the buses?

00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:27.960
 They typically do.

00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.080
 I mean this is I think the fourth time that we've launched the shuttle.

00:38:31.640 --> 00:38:36.280
 We have a really good network of communication that as soon as the city says yes we need it,

00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:42.040
 that we work with Monsignor King and Serve Denton and Salvation Army

00:38:42.040 --> 00:38:45.560
 to determine kind of openings available.

00:38:45.560 --> 00:38:48.440
 And then we send that out to all the social service agencies

00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.600
 and then they communicate to their folks.

00:38:50.600 --> 00:38:53.480
 I don't know if we have any ridership numbers.

00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:54.120
 Do you have any?

00:38:54.120 --> 00:38:54.840
 I don't have any.

00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:56.040
 You don't want some of this?

00:38:56.040 --> 00:38:56.540
 Okay.

00:38:56.540 --> 00:38:58.920
 But we can, I can follow up.

00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.460
 Sure.

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:02.840
 We'll be running the services again tonight.

00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.280
 Thank you.

00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.320
 Yeah, so we'll follow up with ridership just to let you know.

00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:13.720
 So that's been a pretty successful partnership.

00:39:13.720 --> 00:39:15.960
 It's been so successful that we're actually looking at doing it

00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.400
 with the city of Louisville as well.

00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:23.320
 So it's kind of served as a model for this type of service.

00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.720
 And then just the fun news.

00:39:25.720 --> 00:39:30.040
 Denton Holiday Lighting is coming up in Wasslefest.

00:39:30.680 --> 00:39:35.320
 So December 6th and we're providing free service

00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.360
 with the code word either Holiday Express

00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:40.760
 or Denton County Friends of the Family Holiday Express

00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:42.280
 or any variation thereof.

00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.920
 So just trying to get people.

00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:46.520
 It's a really big weekend in Denton.

00:39:46.520 --> 00:39:48.440
 So you have the Holiday Lighting, you have Wasslefest

00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.400
 and then the following day on the 7th you have the Holiday Express event

00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.680
 that we partner with the Denton County Friends of the Family on.

00:39:54.680 --> 00:39:58.520
 And so just really encouraging folks to use transit.

00:39:58.520 --> 00:40:01.160
 We had banner numbers last year for the Holiday Lighting,

00:40:01.160 --> 00:40:04.440
 encouraging people to park at our Med Park station,

00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:06.040
 use the train to get in.

00:40:06.040 --> 00:40:08.040
 So we're really hoping for a repeat this year.

00:40:08.040 --> 00:40:11.800
 So we're working very closely with the committee for that event

00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:17.160
 to just get people into downtown and use transit to get there.

00:40:17.160 --> 00:40:21.800
 I hear there may even be an ice skating rink this year.

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:23.080
 Oh, well that's exciting.

00:40:23.080 --> 00:40:26.120
 Hopefully it's not actually at the streets.

00:40:27.080 --> 00:40:30.360
 Yeah, so that concludes my report.

00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.120
 If there are any questions or topics I can get some answers for

00:40:34.120 --> 00:40:35.320
 and give back to the committee.

00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.280
 I'm happy to do so.

00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:42.520
 Yeah, I just have a question because we're talking about all the growth out west with Hillwood.

00:40:42.520 --> 00:40:45.800
 That's exactly what I was going to ask.

00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:47.240
 Yeah, and Alliance.

00:40:47.240 --> 00:40:50.920
 I mean, are we talking about the consultant and planning?

00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:52.440
 Is that on your radar?

00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.480
 I mean, because we have an opportunity now to start planning that

00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:57.240
 so we're not doing it after the fact.

00:40:57.240 --> 00:41:00.440
 Yes, so we've actually been working with the Alliance area

00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.120
 for probably the last two years.

00:41:02.120 --> 00:41:05.640
 We offered a service out there last year.

00:41:05.640 --> 00:41:11.160
 The issue with Alliance is that we have a reciprocal agreement

00:41:11.160 --> 00:41:13.880
 with our regional transit partners

00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.920
 and one half of Alliance is Tarrant County

00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:18.920
 and one half of Alliance is Denton County.

00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:24.760
 And so it makes it really difficult to provide service to the entire area

00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:29.080
 because Trinity Metro provides the service that's for the Tarrant County portion.

00:41:29.080 --> 00:41:35.560
 So currently, we were joint partners in providing a service out there last year.

00:41:35.560 --> 00:41:37.880
 It was well used, but it was very expensive.

00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:41.000
 And so Trinity Metro took over the partnership

00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.520
 and offers what they call zip zone service.

00:41:44.520 --> 00:41:49.800
 It's through Lyft and they leverage our interlocal agreement with Lyft

00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:53.240
 to provide that service and it provides that first class mile connection

00:41:53.240 --> 00:41:55.720
 and connects people to North Texas Express,

00:41:55.720 --> 00:42:01.720
 which is a partnership bus service that runs from Denton to downtown Fort Worth

00:42:01.720 --> 00:42:03.640
 that we partner with Trinity Metro on.

00:42:03.640 --> 00:42:05.480
 So we are currently serving that area,

00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.240
 but the actual service that's kind of happening in the zone

00:42:09.240 --> 00:42:11.560
 where all of those businesses are located

00:42:11.560 --> 00:42:14.760
 is managed by Trinity Metro through their zip zone service.

00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:20.200
 But Alliance is the topic.

00:42:20.200 --> 00:42:23.720
 Another topic is the coal hunter ranch development

00:42:23.720 --> 00:42:28.760
 that we're going to be asked to deal with in the coming months.

00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.360
 And I'm curious if you've had preliminary conversations

00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.120
 with the Hillwood people if there's any thoughts

00:42:34.120 --> 00:42:37.320
 about how to integrate public transportation in that whole thing.

00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.880
 It's going to add close to 40% to our population if it goes according to plan.

00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.960
 It'll be about the size of Denton.

00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:44.460
 Okay.

00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:47.720
 We have a representative from Hillwood on our board.

00:42:49.240 --> 00:42:54.120
 So let me circle back because I have not been

00:42:54.120 --> 00:42:55.880
 in any of those meetings or discussions,

00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:57.640
 but that does not mean that they're not happening.

00:42:57.640 --> 00:43:02.040
 I am sure that our planning folks are very...

00:43:02.040 --> 00:43:03.880
 I know they meet with Hillwood regularly,

00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:06.360
 but I don't have any details to share.

00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.760
 But let me follow up and find out what's going on

00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.880
 and I'll include that in my recap that I sent to the group for sure.

00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:17.560
 Thank you so much for coming and filling us in.

00:43:17.560 --> 00:43:22.520
 Absolutely. And if there are any topics that this group would like to discuss moving forward,

00:43:22.520 --> 00:43:25.960
 feel free to let Becky know or she can contact me

00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:27.800
 and let me know what you guys want to talk about.

00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.440
 Or if you want an actual physical presentation of anything,

00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:32.120
 we're happy to customize whatever you need.

00:43:32.120 --> 00:43:36.920
 Happy forward comments if you want to follow them through me as well.

00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:38.680
 Thanks.

00:43:38.680 --> 00:43:39.000
 Thank you.

00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.320
 Let's move on to item E, receiver of work.

00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.640
 And hold the discussion regarding TxDOT on system projects in the Denton area.

00:43:47.640 --> 00:43:52.440
 $2.4 billion, every way in and out of Denton.

00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.200
 Under construction.

00:43:54.200 --> 00:43:54.680
 There you go.

00:43:54.680 --> 00:43:58.040
 It's frustrating when you get...

00:43:58.040 --> 00:44:00.200
 When I get caught in traffic and I know there's no hope,

00:44:00.200 --> 00:44:01.880
 because I hope we're all the problem.

00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:11.880
 But the good news is there is significant improvements being made throughout the city of Denton.

00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:13.800
 $2.3 billion, sorry I overstated it.

00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.640
 $2.2 billion.

00:44:15.640 --> 00:44:16.600
 Well, $2.8 billion.

00:44:16.600 --> 00:44:17.240
 $2.8 billion.

00:44:17.240 --> 00:44:21.800
 You always go up with these numbers, unless you're having to pay for it and go down.

00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:26.280
 All right, so first off, like I said,

00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:30.440
 we send these reports out about two weeks in advance coming here today.

00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:31.320
 So the NOVA...

00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.520
 Did I do that?

00:44:34.520 --> 00:44:35.020
 What?

00:44:35.020 --> 00:44:37.480
 That happens to me too.

00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:38.120
 Ghost?

00:44:38.120 --> 00:44:39.000
 No, you have not.

00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.600
 Oh yeah, that was happening to me the other day.

00:44:40.600 --> 00:44:41.100
 Yep.

00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:42.120
 So.

00:44:42.120 --> 00:44:47.800
 It's not an actual like pre-Tem program that happens.

00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:56.520
 The November 11th start date is actually now November 25th.

00:44:56.520 --> 00:45:01.240
 We had another conversation with them and they said it would not be the 11th.

00:45:01.240 --> 00:45:02.920
 It was yesterday.

00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:04.040
 It'll be the 25th.

00:45:04.040 --> 00:45:07.400
 So when we resubmit the report, we'll update that.

00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:08.280
 But Zachary's on.

00:45:09.240 --> 00:45:17.240
 And we'll update the full schedule once we get a better schedule from Zachary on what

00:45:17.240 --> 00:45:18.040
 their timing is.

00:45:18.040 --> 00:45:23.560
 They were awarded back full 500 plus days of the original contract.

00:45:23.560 --> 00:45:25.560
 So we're starting from scratch.

00:45:25.560 --> 00:45:29.560
 550 working days assumes how many days a week?

00:45:29.560 --> 00:45:35.400
 This is a six day contract, six days a week contract.

00:45:36.040 --> 00:45:43.240
 But it also, it's 588 without, that's one of the negotiations we have without weather

00:45:43.240 --> 00:45:43.720
 delays.

00:45:43.720 --> 00:45:43.880
 So.

00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.520
 Okay.

00:45:46.520 --> 00:45:47.160
 Do the math.

00:45:47.160 --> 00:45:48.120
 I don't know.

00:45:48.120 --> 00:45:50.120
 Just wait a couple of years.

00:45:50.120 --> 00:45:51.240
 Yeah, at least.

00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:56.920
 So what I normally do is when they give us the schedule, they tell us how long they're

00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:00.520
 going to be having the barricades up and that's how long they think it will take them.

00:46:00.520 --> 00:46:03.320
 And we just look at that date and give it to you.

00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:05.640
 That's what I'll do when I update the report when I get it.

00:46:06.680 --> 00:46:08.040
 We don't have the full schedule yet.

00:46:08.040 --> 00:46:10.360
 But two years-ish.

00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:11.640
 Yeah.

00:46:11.640 --> 00:46:13.000
 1.8 years.

00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:13.640
 How many?

00:46:13.640 --> 00:46:14.840
 1.8 years.

00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.040
 Well, 2 and a half.

00:46:16.040 --> 00:46:17.320
 With weather.

00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.880
 I'm going to go with they don't get weather days.

00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:20.520
 They don't get weather?

00:46:20.520 --> 00:46:21.400
 They don't get weather days.

00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:22.360
 Oh, oh, oh, okay.

00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:27.480
 So you said that November 25th is the date that they're going to actually physically

00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.080
 be out there starting to work?

00:46:29.080 --> 00:46:35.640
 Yes, but the contract told them that their time started being charged October 12th, I

00:46:35.640 --> 00:46:36.600
 think, was the date.

00:46:36.600 --> 00:46:42.360
 So they're already into their time, but they won't be mobilized until the 25th,

00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.920
 which is what they agreed to when Berkshire Hathaway executed the agreement.

00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:53.640
 All right, and then your Fort Worth Drive project.

00:46:53.640 --> 00:47:01.560
 The bridge closure occurred for the railroad.

00:47:01.560 --> 00:47:04.840
 My notes are over there, so I'm having to do this from memory.

00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.200
 So we're wrong.

00:47:06.200 --> 00:47:07.000
 I apologize.

00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:15.400
 And the demo for the existing bridge will begin on the night of the 15th, and there'll

00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:24.280
 be some closure between 18th and 25th, through 18th to 25th for this demolition project.

00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:25.720
 So we'll get that too.

00:47:25.720 --> 00:47:32.040
 I think the mobility meeting is this week for our mobility task force.

00:47:32.040 --> 00:47:34.200
 Yeah, it's Thursday.

00:47:34.200 --> 00:47:38.680
 And so we'll have - why are you doing that?

00:47:38.680 --> 00:47:41.400
 I'm not doing anything.

00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:42.920
 It just happens.

00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.600
 So we'll have the actual - excuse me?

00:47:46.600 --> 00:47:47.960
 It's when pre-tem blinks.

00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.840
 It's a butterfly effect.

00:47:50.840 --> 00:48:00.920
 So we'll have the actual dates for the closure notification to the city prior to that on

00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:01.480
 Thursday.

00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.160
 So that's coming up.

00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.920
 It might be my jacket because there's a keep over here.

00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.960
 My apologies.

00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.440
 I have other qualities.

00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:15.800
 Presentations aren't one of them.

00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:22.280
 Okay, so then your Mayhill project.

00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:31.320
 This project has several parcels that we're acquiring all the way up through to 288.

00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:39.080
 We're looking at a May 2021 let date, and we are assuming the plans will be done in

00:48:39.080 --> 00:48:41.640
 December for a 95% plan.

00:48:41.640 --> 00:48:46.520
 So we're on track with everything, and we're coordinating and working with the city on

00:48:46.520 --> 00:48:48.040
 their utility relocation.

00:48:48.040 --> 00:48:54.280
 So this project is fully funded and on track for a May 2021 let date.

00:48:54.280 --> 00:49:01.080
 Okay, so your Brinker project.

00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:02.120
 Let me flip it here.

00:49:02.120 --> 00:49:08.040
 So you're going to be having the - we had some of the southbound firms road improved

00:49:08.040 --> 00:49:13.800
 this past weekend, and by Thanksgiving we're going to have all the traffic in their proper

00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.520
 locations on the main lanes.

00:49:16.520 --> 00:49:22.440
 So they're probably in a week or so we'll be moving some traffic around to pave the

00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:28.360
 last third lane in both directions adjacent to that concrete barrier building and then

00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.680
 substantial completion on this project.

00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.960
 We'll be just prior to Thanksgiving, so we should see some moving coming in that area

00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:36.760
 fairly quickly.

00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:37.960
 I know it's painful.

00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.080
 Do you have an update on Brinker?

00:49:41.080 --> 00:49:43.800
 I mean, can somebody please tell me when that's going to open?

00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:48.840
 So they're going to construction on that as soon as the AFA is executed.

00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.760
 Our crews will be installing the signaling equipment.

00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.760
 The OHL subcontractor has not.

00:49:58.040 --> 00:50:03.000
 For a variety of reasons that TXDOT understands they have not gotten the signal equipment in,

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:09.000
 so we offered the option that we would go to do that just to get it open a lot quicker.

00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.320
 The AFA had some issues that council approved.

00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:18.360
 It's got the Austin actually returns the long-form version instead of the short-form version.

00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:23.640
 There were some concerns about that as you will actually approve the council approved

00:50:23.640 --> 00:50:28.840
 the short-form version. Concerns about the language in that the long-form version is

00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.960
 actually coming to you today to be approved.

00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.360
 It's just it's basically a revised document.

00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:35.400
 It's the same agreement.

00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.080
 No changes substantially.

00:50:37.080 --> 00:50:38.520
 I'm not going to try to speak to that.

00:50:38.520 --> 00:50:42.680
 It's just that there were commitments in there that said you had approved that document when

00:50:42.680 --> 00:50:43.720
 you actually had it.

00:50:43.720 --> 00:50:46.600
 You'd approve the short-form version.

00:50:46.600 --> 00:50:53.240
 So if that comes through today, as soon as that's approved, then we can mobilize our contractor.

00:50:53.240 --> 00:50:55.960
 You've used some initials, some A, what is that?

00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:57.400
 Advanced Funding Agreement.

00:50:57.400 --> 00:50:58.200
 Okay.

00:50:58.200 --> 00:51:02.760
 You're being paid, the state's paying you to do the signal because it's something that

00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.520
 they were going to pay OHL to do.

00:51:04.520 --> 00:51:10.760
 You offered to do it instead, but you wanted to be paid for it as proper protocol.

00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:17.400
 The concern was is that if we got going too far ahead of the Advanced Funding Agreement

00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:21.560
 approved and executed by both parties, that we could potentially not get

00:51:22.200 --> 00:51:24.040
 reimbursed for some of those items.

00:51:24.040 --> 00:51:28.440
 So we absolutely did not want to start that work until the AFA was complete.

00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:32.440
 And then we could get fully reimbursed for the work we're doing.

00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:36.520
 So one question you may ask is if y'all execute that today,

00:51:36.520 --> 00:51:38.760
 y'all have the ability to docusign?

00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.040
 Is that true or not?

00:51:40.040 --> 00:51:41.000
 Yes.

00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:41.400
 Yes.

00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.640
 So it can be fairly fast after that.

00:51:43.640 --> 00:51:49.320
 But our traffic operations folks have already been working on getting materials

00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:54.840
 on order, ready to go, and then our contractor will be ready to move as quickly as possible.

00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:59.160
 Brian, I think you guys have talked to Bean about getting mobilized.

00:51:59.160 --> 00:51:59.660
 Right.

00:51:59.660 --> 00:52:03.960
 Upon approval of the AFA, they're ready to go pick up their equipment,

00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.440
 check stop, and move into place in construction.

00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:07.560
 Promise we'll do it next week.

00:52:07.560 --> 00:52:14.760
 So and construction, what started?

00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:15.960
 Because it's just insulated.

00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.040
 Is that like a big deal or?

00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.160
 It's not huge since it's all shut down.

00:52:21.160 --> 00:52:25.240
 But there will be traffic controls that move as they move through different corners.

00:52:25.240 --> 00:52:30.120
 Realistically, just given that the period of the year we're in,

00:52:30.120 --> 00:52:32.920
 we see these cold fronts come and go.

00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.400
 We're having some rainy conditions.

00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.280
 We will have to set foundations and a bunch of other things.

00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:39.880
 It will most likely be by the...

00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:45.720
 I would say it's probably not going to be in and functioning and fully open until after Christmas.

00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:48.840
 So next year?

00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:54.600
 Yeah, but the contractor we have mobilized on this, they're efficient.

00:52:54.600 --> 00:52:57.880
 Once they're engaged, they'll get through as quickly as possible.

00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.220
 Thank you.

00:53:00.220 --> 00:53:07.320
 Okay, on the I-35E, W-MERGE.

00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:08.520
 I'm sorry, did I get something else?

00:53:08.520 --> 00:53:09.640
 I'll pause those.

00:53:09.640 --> 00:53:13.640
 No, I've just, if you could follow up with us on why we approved a short

00:53:13.640 --> 00:53:16.920
 thing instead of the long thing that later on, that would be...

00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:20.840
 It was, that was absolutely what came out of the district office.

00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:28.280
 They sent us a red line version for, and because we were trying to expedite it,

00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.880
 we executed faster than what they're used to expecting.

00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:35.400
 So we just missed the step.

00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.440
 Sounds like it was a mistake.

00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:40.920
 It was, well, it was good intentions.

00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:42.520
 It's different than a mistake.

00:53:42.520 --> 00:53:47.000
 Part of what happened there is there's a group in the area office,

00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:52.200
 the district office in Dallas, that handles a lot of the upfront conversation

00:53:52.200 --> 00:53:54.840
 with most communities on the funding piece.

00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:56.440
 So they put the document together.

00:53:56.440 --> 00:54:00.600
 We executed on our side, and then it had to go to Austin to get approved.

00:54:00.600 --> 00:54:03.800
 When I got to Austin, they said, time out.

00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.120
 We don't want this one, we want this one.

00:54:06.120 --> 00:54:09.320
 That's when Austin was willing to go with and then kick back to us.

00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:11.640
 So that's where that broke down.

00:54:12.600 --> 00:54:18.120
 So the real deal on this one was there used to be a master agreement

00:54:18.120 --> 00:54:20.680
 with local governments that TxDOT had.

00:54:20.680 --> 00:54:26.360
 And the short form was that based on all these different things

00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:29.160
 that are master agreements, here's a short version

00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:31.160
 of what we're doing in this agreement.

00:54:31.160 --> 00:54:36.200
 That was sent, and that was a different way of doing things around for the longest time.

00:54:36.200 --> 00:54:40.200
 What has happened between the time that was sent to us

00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.240
 and with this new advanced funding agreement

00:54:43.240 --> 00:54:47.880
 is the Austin office decided that that no longer is the way to do things

00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:49.880
 because there was a lot of change in the master agreement

00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:51.240
 and the time we did there.

00:54:51.240 --> 00:54:55.800
 So they're like, we're executing only moving to the advanced funding agreement

00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:01.720
 as opposed to the LEPAFA, which was the local agency or government agreement.

00:55:01.720 --> 00:55:05.240
 And so if you've never seen your master advanced funding agreement,

00:55:05.240 --> 00:55:09.800
 you're fortunate because the people who had executed the first time

00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.920
 had to have some temerity about them

00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:16.120
 because it basically says you're responsible for everything the state does.

00:55:16.120 --> 00:55:21.480
 And then they come back and say, but on this project, all you got to do is X.

00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:22.840
 That's the short version.

00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:24.760
 But the first time you execute that agreement,

00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.720
 there's a lot of words in there that scare you.

00:55:27.720 --> 00:55:31.720
 So after Christmas.

00:55:31.720 --> 00:55:36.920
 Okay, your merge project.

00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:43.080
 Again, we're in the process of acquiring the parcels on this project.

00:55:43.080 --> 00:55:51.320
 We've got them down to 12 negotiations out of the 15 and three are an appraisal.

00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:55.960
 We are looking at a ready to let of July 2021.

00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:01.000
 The difference between the tech stock consent connect let date and ours is

00:56:02.200 --> 00:56:08.920
 that's where they put the money when they approve the category 12 or clear lines funding.

00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.640
 But if we can get it ready sooner than that, then they'll move it up

00:56:11.640 --> 00:56:15.080
 to that current year, which is what we're shooting for.

00:56:15.080 --> 00:56:19.400
 And this is from the wishbone up to 380.

00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.600
 Then on the next project, I told you, I apologize.

00:56:22.600 --> 00:56:25.080
 I I've been asked this thing.

00:56:25.080 --> 00:56:27.000
 I just don't remember this.

00:56:28.520 --> 00:56:33.800
 Is this project or is it the one that goes from 380 North that will take care of the

00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.000
 congestion on the exit ramp onto university?

00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:37.240
 Right.

00:56:37.240 --> 00:56:40.360
 It's this one and this next section.

00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:42.120
 So you'll see that we broke it up.

00:56:42.120 --> 00:56:45.320
 We broke it out to say for North segment is segment one,

00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:51.160
 because we're going to do segment one to 77 with the merge project.

00:56:51.160 --> 00:56:55.080
 So there are two different CSJs, two different funds amounts,

00:56:55.080 --> 00:56:57.000
 but they're going to be combined as one job.

00:56:58.120 --> 00:57:03.400
 So this one plus this segment takes care of all of the

00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:07.960
 issues from 77 South to the marriage on 30 on 35.

00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:13.720
 I think that the timing of construction is something that we've been talking about with

00:57:13.720 --> 00:57:17.080
 tech stock now that they unlock both of these projects.

00:57:17.080 --> 00:57:18.760
 But at the same time, there's a meeting

00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:22.440
 we'll be having with them over the next two weeks for the

00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:24.680
 district office understands our concerns.

00:57:25.240 --> 00:57:29.560
 They're coming up here to actually have that conversation about how do we sequence this

00:57:29.560 --> 00:57:33.240
 in such a way that we can try to manage the traffic

00:57:33.240 --> 00:57:34.840
 flows that are absolutely going to fall.

00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:35.080
 Yeah.

00:57:35.080 --> 00:57:36.280
 That's all it was to construction.

00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.080
 I'm sure you've covered this.

00:57:39.080 --> 00:57:43.000
 Can you remind me what specifically will be done within the

00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.560
 two projects that will address that specific issue?

00:57:45.560 --> 00:57:46.040
 Absolutely.

00:57:46.040 --> 00:57:47.000
 Exit onto university.

00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:54.440
 So on the Wishbone project, what is included in the 35E project that was

00:57:54.440 --> 00:58:01.720
 environmentally cleared back in 2012 is three lane frontage

00:58:01.720 --> 00:58:05.640
 roads and both sit on the north and south bound, but braided ramps.

00:58:05.640 --> 00:58:11.880
 So right now what you have is everybody's fighting to get from 35W on to 35.

00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:17.880
 People on 35W and 35E trying to get to 38 and they're all fighting in about a thousand feet

00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:19.480
 of real estate.

00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:23.640
 What we're doing is we're called it's called braided ramp where both of those

00:58:23.640 --> 00:58:26.200
 ramps need to be in the same place to get on and get off.

00:58:26.200 --> 00:58:30.040
 And so the on ramp will be at grade.

00:58:30.040 --> 00:58:31.560
 I believe it's the case where it's off.

00:58:31.560 --> 00:58:32.680
 We flip the grade.

00:58:32.680 --> 00:58:33.640
 On ramp from?

00:58:33.640 --> 00:58:36.520
 From 35 to 380.

00:58:36.520 --> 00:58:42.280
 And then there's going to be a on ramp at the same place from the frontage road to 35

00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:43.320
 and there'll be braids.

00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:45.880
 So one will go under and the other go over.

00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:46.840
 So you have fighting.

00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:47.720
 You're not fighting.

00:58:47.720 --> 00:58:51.640
 Plus we're adding the third lane on the frontage roads.

00:58:51.640 --> 00:58:57.880
 Plus we're adding a second lane on 35W because right now if you're coming north

00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:04.040
 on 35W you have to get down to one lane and then basically merge on to to 35.

00:59:04.040 --> 00:59:08.360
 So there'll be a ramp from 35W to 380 in the end?

00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:09.240
 I mean, correct.

00:59:09.240 --> 00:59:12.840
 You'll be able to come 35W two lanes on to 35.

00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:17.560
 And then right there you'll be able to take an exit and go either under or over the on ramp

00:59:17.560 --> 00:59:20.440
 and just land right in and go into 380.

00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:25.640
 I believe it's the exit ramp is at grade because the development cares how you get there.

00:59:25.640 --> 00:59:27.000
 They don't care how you leave.

00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:27.880
 That's one of the breaks.

00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:31.400
 I was just going to say I think that this may be our priority project.

00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:33.000
 Oh, yeah, right.

00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.960
 Because the regional group keeps asking us.

00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:40.840
 Well, is it priority for implementation or priority for funding?

00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:42.280
 Is this project fully funded?

00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.600
 Implementation, I guess.

00:59:44.600 --> 00:59:47.480
 Or are they asking for funding?

00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:49.880
 They're wanting for a project that you want funded.

00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:50.600
 Oh, OK.

00:59:50.600 --> 00:59:53.720
 This is $880 million of full funding.

00:59:53.720 --> 00:59:55.000
 So it's fully funded.

00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:55.880
 Fully funded.

00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:57.320
 This is one of those deals where I tell you.

00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:57.960
 Fund that again.

00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:03.720
 This is why I tell you we do faith-based engineering, right?

01:00:03.720 --> 01:00:08.440
 Because you don't have to have the money in order to go through the regulatory process.

01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:11.720
 But if you have the money like we do have the money here and

01:00:11.720 --> 01:00:14.440
 aren't through the regulatory process, you still can't do it.

01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:18.360
 So we just start on the process knowing that someday he'll get funded.

01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:20.920
 And so when is this supposed to be?

01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:22.840
 Exactly.

01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.360
 So right now, that's what I was explaining.

01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:28.040
 You have two dates here for let dates.

01:00:28.040 --> 01:00:31.480
 You have a ready to let date in July 2021, which is what we think

01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:36.120
 state and the city and everybody can get their collective act together to do.

01:00:36.120 --> 01:00:40.680
 Right now, it's plugged in 2023 for clear language.

01:00:40.680 --> 01:00:43.240
 What we can do is accelerate that date.

01:00:43.240 --> 01:00:45.640
 We cannot go past that date.

01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:52.840
 So what can be done? Would it require greater funding to complete the project in less time?

01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:58.360
 So most of these projects that they're doing now, they do what's called A plus B

01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:03.800
 bidding, which I'm not a big fan of it because if anything goes wrong,

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:05.320
 you're toast at the end of it.

01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:11.880
 But A plus B is you bid it a dollar amount, but you select on who says they can do it

01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.120
 for the fewest number of days.

01:01:15.640 --> 01:01:18.120
 So I'm assuming that that's there.

01:01:18.120 --> 01:01:20.840
 They've been doing it a lot lately.

01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:26.520
 2181 was an A plus B. So we got creamed on that one.

01:01:26.520 --> 01:01:27.720
 Yeah. What are you trying to say?

01:01:27.720 --> 01:01:36.280
 So yes, they do try to do it in a manner because A plus B typically,

01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:41.960
 supposedly, you know, in the real world or perfect world, gets rid of the bad contractors.

01:01:45.240 --> 01:01:46.280
 We got the best bad one.

01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:51.640
 We got that same one on four out of the five projects they have at State of Texas.

01:01:51.640 --> 01:01:53.720
 You get the most eager bidders anyway.

01:01:53.720 --> 01:01:56.520
 Not the same thing as the best bidder.

01:01:56.520 --> 01:02:02.760
 So the answer is yes, this project and the next segment

01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:09.720
 includes all of the issues we need to solve all the problems in this part of the world of Denton.

01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:19.640
 The segment on the 35E all the way to 380 will include the infrastructure

01:02:19.640 --> 01:02:24.680
 because ultimately this project has Manning's Lanes coming all the way through Denton.

01:02:24.680 --> 01:02:29.960
 Right now they stop in the Lake Cities area because we didn't buy and reconstruct all of

01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:37.480
 35 through the Lake Cities of Denton. We just, we had capacity where we had the right of way.

01:02:38.040 --> 01:02:45.080
 This project will add the Manning's Lanes infrastructure so when the

01:02:45.080 --> 01:02:50.120
 section to the south gets built that project will already be open and ready to run.

01:02:50.120 --> 01:03:01.800
 So that's the merge and we're looking at July 2021 let date and then the section to the north is a

01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:06.520
 little bit behind schedule but we think if we pull this segment out, if this is the same date as you

01:03:06.520 --> 01:03:12.760
 have on the section to the north here we're fairly confident that we can get that date ready to go

01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:18.680
 that date. It's the same as the previous project but again this is where we're going to add the

01:03:18.680 --> 01:03:26.280
 frontage roads, fix the alignment of 77, 288 will be solved because there's a you know danger between

01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:41.160
 380 and 288 from the on ramp so all this gets resolved. Okay all these projects segment one,

01:03:41.160 --> 01:03:48.360
 segment two and the merge is if you add it all up it's about 880 million dollars and it's all

01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:57.000
 fully funded. I'm sorry for slowing my comprehension but I'm just digesting what you just shared about

01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:03.560
 how the braided lanes resolve that issue and I'm wondering does it push just push the

01:04:03.560 --> 01:04:07.960
 problem to another absolute conflict point? Yes sir that's why we're doing segment one

01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:14.360
 of the next project because the next conflict point after scripture and all that where a razor

01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:19.320
 is is the 380 intersection. Right yeah because you got you got a lane coming from the 35 west

01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:24.360
 over you got a lane from the frontage road going on to 380 you got a lane from 35 east going there

01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:28.920
 and now they're all trying to get on to 380. So that's why we're doing the next little segment

01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:35.080
 here because that fixes all of that issue so it takes the frontage road and improves it all the

01:04:35.080 --> 01:04:41.560
 way through to 77 and that's what you need to make that intersection under 380 work is a functioning

01:04:41.560 --> 01:04:46.920
 frontage road north that's not trying to get on to 380 exactly okay but what about the fact that

01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:53.160
 you've got these three different sources that now each have their separate lane uh separate ramps

01:04:53.160 --> 01:04:59.400
 to get on to 380 what about the part where they 380 are they in conflict there right in other words

01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:05.240
 you got a lane a ramp from if i understood you correctly a ramp from 35 west going on to 380

01:05:05.240 --> 01:05:12.920
 good a ramp or a lane from the 35 e frontage road going on 380 you got to and then you got a way to

01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:20.920
 get the frontage road 35 e proper 35 west proper they've all got lanes going on to 380 in the

01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:29.240
 future wall right so don't they kind of collide at that point of contact they do really end up

01:05:29.240 --> 01:05:36.200
 merging so if you've driven 635 or any of those areas where they don't have a variety of braided

01:05:36.200 --> 01:05:41.960
 ramps yeah they do merge so absolutely they they kind of merge together so you're not going to get

01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:48.280
 three lanes dumping directly on to the frontage roads and 380 so they'll sort of merge over time

01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:53.080
 and they'll get that traffic and basically one singular line coming into the frontage road

01:05:53.080 --> 01:05:59.320
 plus right now the frontage roads that you have out there are not full constructed with that they will be

01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:03.720
 so we're going to be adding lanes to the frontage road so your far right lane if they want to come

01:06:03.720 --> 01:06:10.360
 northbound and turn right on 380 that'll be a general flow and the traffic wants to turn left

01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:15.800
 we'll have dual lefts but they'll have additional lanes in order to not because what happens is you

01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:20.680
 can't even get over to take a right when you're exiting so we're adding lanes to the frontage

01:06:20.680 --> 01:06:25.560
 road so we're also going to take some of the noise out of the problem because people aren't trying to

01:06:25.560 --> 01:06:30.840
 get out of exit but uh isn't that still where it's going to back up though and that that single lane

01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:37.000
 that they all search down to we're also adding more capacity and a new interchange on Windsor

01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:43.240
 we're currently working with tech stock to add that design so Windsor is just north of 380 a lot

01:06:43.240 --> 01:06:50.520
 of the neighborhoods that reside in that particular area do use university currently to exit and take

01:06:50.520 --> 01:06:55.880
 university to Bonnie Grant some of the neighborhoods north so that noise will be removed from that

01:06:55.880 --> 01:07:01.400
 interchange and pulled further north so that it exits further and connects to Windsor so that

01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:07.080
 we're trying to progress it's a little all of it okay but we're carrying we're carrying the

01:07:07.080 --> 01:07:12.840
 improvements before we were just carrying up to 380 which doesn't solve the problem yeah we're now

01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:20.280
 taking them all the way past 288 to 77 which that's where that's the funnel part that stops

01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:24.200
 the traffic from being able to function through that area because there's a lot of traffic that

01:07:24.200 --> 01:07:28.280
 wants to go west there's a lot of traffic that wants to go east and right now they're fighting

01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:34.760
 for essentially two lanes yeah all right i think i'm calmer for the moment i know we haven't we'll

01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:39.720
 hear about this many times between now and then you'll experience it too yeah thank you

01:07:39.720 --> 01:07:48.280
 so segment two is the same project it's fully funded takes it from 77 all the way up to the

01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:56.200
 county line and it'll be six lane divided urban with what they call two three frontage roads so

01:07:56.200 --> 01:08:00.840
 there'll be three frontage roads between the on ramp off ramp and the on ramp and then two

01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.560
 at the intersection

01:08:03.560 --> 01:08:12.200
 main lanes on 35 we're back to designing these and getting an environmentally cleared we're still

01:08:12.200 --> 01:08:18.040
 haggling over a little bit of the traffic that we think we've got that resolved

01:08:18.040 --> 01:08:23.560
 and so we're thinking about this time next year ish we should have the project environmental

01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:29.320
 clear which will mean we can start protecting it from a development standpoint a lot of people

01:08:29.320 --> 01:08:35.320
 are wanting to make sure that 35w doesn't end up looking a whole lot like what 35e

01:08:35.320 --> 01:08:41.000
 does in some areas where it's a whole lot of district mall work and so this will allow us

01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:48.120
 to protect the corridor our frontage road project we are looking at environmental clearance this

01:08:48.120 --> 01:08:55.960
 coming summer and at that point we've submitted the project for clear lanes again and once we

01:08:55.960 --> 01:09:00.680
 get environmentally cleared we can select the sections of 35w frontage roads we want to construct

01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:05.320
 that make the most sense and right now what the pressure looks like is it's in the northern half

01:09:05.320 --> 01:09:15.080
 of this segment within the city of den 380 east this project's got a february 2021 let date in

01:09:15.080 --> 01:09:20.280
 totality we're probably going to move the green one up as i've told you last time the state needs

01:09:20.280 --> 01:09:26.520
 to lead a project in the 2020 fiscal year in there probably about a month away from splitting

01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:31.000
 this job out so we'll do the green section first and then the blue section second

01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:45.480
 loop 288 again we're just now got the traffic approved from austin and so now they're back on

01:09:45.480 --> 01:09:51.320
 to finalizing those so that we can do a public hearing so we can get environmentally cleared

01:09:51.320 --> 01:09:57.000
 spring of next year that allows to protect the corridor which is important because this area is

01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:03.960
 getting encumbered by the day and this also involves we've had some close coordination with

01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:08.680
 the coal ranch hillwood folks to make sure what we're doing on the 288 section in the south is

01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:17.880
 consistent with what their development calls for this one is not this one is fake based engineering

01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:22.760
 but uh we feel confident that once we get it cleared and start because they're going to start

01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:28.760
 acquiring the right away because i don't so this project has been on the books and around for

01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:34.520
 20 years and we've county's been starting and stopping starting and stopping based upon what

01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:40.040
 tex dot told us to do and about two years ago tex dot said we need to get the loop

01:10:40.040 --> 01:10:47.720
 done start the engineering again so we've re-engaged hntv i mean chain patel and so

01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:52.120
 it was text that district telling us get the project cleared because we want to start acquiring

01:10:52.120 --> 01:10:57.080
 the right away and we want to build a loop so we feel fairly confident once we get it environmentally

01:10:57.080 --> 01:11:04.200
 cleared you should see some speed on this project pick up from a funny standpoint would this be

01:11:04.200 --> 01:11:13.880
 considered a priority in our city for our engineers hey reserve the right to not answer that question

01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:23.320
 well i think we need to talk about that a little bit uh but this is i think the re what you need

01:11:23.320 --> 01:11:30.680
 to look for and i know this is kind of uh sometimes difficult to do the reason i don't

01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:34.760
 think you'd prioritize this is a priority because it's already a priority for the district and you

01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:39.160
 want to get you want to leverage your money as much as possible so you want to pick something

01:11:39.160 --> 01:11:46.440
 that they're not already interested in let me make a suggestion that uh when we get through you know

01:11:46.440 --> 01:11:50.600
 the updates can we just have a little discussion specifically about that what

01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:54.840
 i think it might be you know that's the right order let's let's go okay

01:11:54.840 --> 01:12:05.080
 1515 all right so uh we are in the process of getting this project environmentally cleared next

01:12:05.080 --> 01:12:11.080
 year we've got to get some information from the city on the new location of the roundabout on the

01:12:11.080 --> 01:12:20.360
 west end and uh we still need to have some coordination with the uh the engineering firm

01:12:20.360 --> 01:12:26.200
 doing the wishbone for tech stock to make sure that we're tying 1515 and bonnie bray and consistent

01:12:26.200 --> 01:12:32.280
 with those plans so there's some coordination but again this project is planned to be cleared next

01:12:32.280 --> 01:12:38.920
 year by this time just a question about the roundabout is the roundabout going to be

01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:46.280
 as large as the one on bonnie bray most likely to be larger larger for the trucks yeah okay thank you

01:12:46.280 --> 01:12:55.240
 i was going to try to answer that but i'm probably doing it around about way and i wouldn't

01:12:55.240 --> 01:13:03.960
 i'm glad you didn't answer okay fm 1173 again this is a project the district asked the

01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:12.360
 the county to pick up and an address so the county did this project is about 44 million bucks

01:13:12.360 --> 01:13:18.040
 really right it reroutes it to morto consistent with the current plan from the city and that

01:13:18.040 --> 01:13:25.880
 interchanges and the plans for the 35 project that's funded and so we're uh working on getting the

01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:30.440
 schematic approved which will then inform us on how long it will take to get the project environment

01:13:30.440 --> 01:13:38.520
 clear and then again i've met with tech stock i think two weeks ago they are planning on having

01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:46.520
 a firm on contract by end of year that's all they'll commit to and at that point they'll have

01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:51.400
 somebody to do the study on a limited access facility so it'll be a freeway instead of an

01:13:51.400 --> 01:13:57.720
 arterial which is kind of you know a divided facility so we'll be able to start populating

01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:07.000
 this probably after the first of year and then bonnie bray phase uh seven that's the uh segment

01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:12.680
 that's green we're working with cog and funding on the section in blue we've already got that

01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:19.240
 and the tip and they're partnering with us on that project uh we carry this because it's a project

01:14:19.240 --> 01:14:26.520
 that city needs in order for bonnie bray to work properly but again it's a project that cog is has

01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:32.120
 said all right city you're doing your part south of here we're going to work with tech stock to

01:14:32.120 --> 01:14:37.480
 make this connection and so we're just keeping you informed that we're slowly moving towards

01:14:37.480 --> 01:14:43.800
 getting that project we've already got a schematic that we think works the city did and so now we're

01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:51.800
 just moving towards getting cog and tech stock to have it funded i believe that's it so yeah can we

01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:56.600
 look at the list and have council member phrase yeah before we talk about the list i have a question

01:14:56.600 --> 01:15:04.440
 about 428 in the loop that we're experiencing right there yeah this update because i am aware

01:15:04.440 --> 01:15:11.400
 that there are two more large apartment complexes coming in or proposed there one on point when set

01:15:11.400 --> 01:15:18.040
 it right next to the palladium and that's coming really soon and then i think one across the street

01:15:18.040 --> 01:15:23.880
 are over there and so this is going to be really important for us to know what's happening right

01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:31.240
 here so at the intersection we are widening the number of planes under the bridge so that

01:15:31.240 --> 01:15:38.680
 the bridge footprint is pretty wide and we have some space to expand under the bridge so we're

01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:44.680
 adding capacity adding term lanes under the bridge as well as signalizing those two intersections so

01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:50.840
 at the interchange it will be signals with a widened capacity enhanced capacity currently

01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:56.280
 text dot has okayed us to go with always stops so it's functioning it would function as a signal

01:15:56.280 --> 01:16:04.520
 is if you have to come in always stop add those intersections so so you mean there's just going

01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:11.400
 to be when you say always stop it's a four-way stop signs for now until we get to the construction

01:16:11.400 --> 01:16:16.120
 we're going through the textile improvement process for the signals as well as the capacity

01:16:16.120 --> 01:16:18.920
 and that will be a long form

01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:35.640
 so this is a this this list that we have here is not a comprehensive list of

01:16:37.480 --> 01:16:42.840
 of everything you're working on it's just the on system primarily or those that have got top funding so

01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:51.240
 that was the statement in case there was other projects but do you think there might be something

01:16:51.240 --> 01:16:56.040
 that would be a contender for being our top priority that's not on the list well you have

01:16:56.040 --> 01:17:06.840
 a bond program right that has projects on it that are anticipating leveraging one project that

01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:13.560
 is definitely on that list for us or more text I'm sorry you just need a letter for us

01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:20.200
 unless the whitey 1830 so they'd be they have funding and are very interested in

01:17:20.200 --> 01:17:29.480
 falling divided 1830 from hickory through the road all the way north up to Hobson Hobson to 377 is

01:17:29.480 --> 01:17:37.800
 already getting white but 377 so that is definitely one heavy traffic movement that we need to make

01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:44.600
 sure it gets mobilized quickly just would you view that as a higher priority than anything that's on

01:17:44.600 --> 01:17:52.360
 this list again where john is is and what he's mentioned is is that there those are already on

01:17:52.360 --> 01:17:57.400
 the high priority list for the state just their funding means they're actively engaged in these

01:17:58.120 --> 01:18:05.240
 1830 they're ready to go they just need to know we're ready to go so that's something they would

01:18:05.240 --> 01:18:10.200
 absolutely be willing to work forward on we just gotta let them know it's time to go now there are

01:18:10.200 --> 01:18:17.000
 implications to that and that is you've got the hickory creek connection that's made with the bond

01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:23.240
 program but as soon as 1830 gets widened to four lanes now we're starting to work through on the

01:18:23.240 --> 01:18:30.280
 engineering side if i don't go past 1830 with that hickory creek connection which right now

01:18:30.280 --> 01:18:36.280
 tenses down at brush creek road if we don't carry that past 1830 still has to make this big winding

01:18:36.280 --> 01:18:44.680
 curve as opposed to the potential that if hickory creek were to continue to go then 1830 could t in

01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:50.440
 and we have a an intersection that's easier to control we take those big sweeping curves out

01:18:50.440 --> 01:18:55.400
 and then two lane 1830 would continue south so those are all alternatives we're having to work

01:18:55.400 --> 01:19:00.680
 through the textile right now we don't know the answer to those but if that's a priority

01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:05.480
 we want to push we would absolutely have to accelerate going forward what does that look like

01:19:05.480 --> 01:19:11.160
 you know keep this up because it seems like something you want to ask about

01:19:11.160 --> 01:19:17.320
 yeah that was uh i'm just gonna have to look at what that looks like because i've never in our

01:19:17.320 --> 01:19:21.880
 conversation that was kind of brush creek what was the point of contention for how wide that

01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:30.040
 wants to be and so making that a priority and not even really understanding the full scale of it

01:19:30.040 --> 01:19:34.680
 that's why we haven't really rushed into that without having that broader conversation about

01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:45.560
 anything else on this item are you talking about pedestrian scramble okay

01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:52.920
 so item f closing envy open item f receiver report and hold the discussion regarding the

01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:57.560
 implementation of an exclusive pedestrian phase in the traffic signal operations of the downtown

01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:04.120
 intersections and oak and elm oak and locust hickory and elm and hickory and locust as a pilot program

01:20:17.480 --> 01:20:18.920
 i know i just i had the power point

01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:30.920
 okay brian yeah i tried to get you here today talk to you about traffic signals pedestrians cars and

01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:39.960
 how we propose to make a few of them work a little more safely together so a little background on

01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:46.280
 traffic signals and pedestrians historically the way they've operated is a vehicle will pull up to

01:20:46.280 --> 01:20:52.680
 a stop bar a pedestrian will walk up to the accessible ramp push the button the car if

01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:56.360
 they're going in the same direction the car gets the green and the walk light goes on at the same

01:20:56.360 --> 01:21:03.320
 time so everybody starts moving the problem with that is that somebody's at an intersection that

01:21:03.320 --> 01:21:07.880
 wants to make a right turn in a vehicle they start their right turn the same time the pedestrian

01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:13.400
 steps off the curb likewise if they're on the pedestrians on the other side they begin their

01:21:13.400 --> 01:21:18.760
 movement the same time that somebody who's going to turn left begins there so we've got a conflict

01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:25.800
 point with pedestrians and vehicles in crosswalks now one of the ways we've tried to address this

01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:29.320
 at certain intersections that have a little bit higher turning movements and higher pedestrian

01:21:29.320 --> 01:21:35.240
 volumes is what we do call a leading pedestrian interval so they get about five or six seconds

01:21:35.240 --> 01:21:39.560
 for the walk sign before the car gets to great it gets to be it gets the pedestrian out in the

01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:46.600
 crosswalk very visible so as that person begins to make their turn they can see them and we don't

01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:53.480
 eliminate the conflict but we make the pedestrian a lot more visible to the driver however as

01:21:53.480 --> 01:21:59.640
 pedestrian volumes and traffic volumes increase we need some different tools and one of the tools

01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:07.320
 that we're looking at as a pilot program is an exclusive pedestrian phase or as our public

01:22:07.320 --> 01:22:15.560
 outreach team has named it the all-walk crosswalk so what happens with the exclusive pedestrian

01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:23.880
 phase or an all-walk crosswalk is the vehicles yeah the vehicles get a red light and the

01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:30.520
 pedestrians get a walk in all directions so there's no conflict between pedestrians and vehicles

01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:34.920
 we plan to implement this around the square so if you can picture

01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:41.560
 oak, hickory, logiston, elm a lot of one-way traffic so you'll have all the cars stopped

01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:48.120
 somebody will have to push the button and then all the crosswalks at all four of the any of the four

01:22:48.120 --> 01:22:55.480
 intersections all the crosswalks get a walk at the same time so this is not a true texas scramble

01:22:55.480 --> 01:23:00.840
 although we're we're looking at that for future implementation we can't cross diagonally we're

01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:05.240
 just going to cross in the existing crosswalks which is why they all walk crosswalks moniker

01:23:05.240 --> 01:23:12.840
 really works for us you can cross any direction north south east to west so our our plan is to

01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:18.680
 give them enough time to cross the longest that that walk time will be the time that's required

01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:24.040
 across the widest approach so you'll have plenty of time to safely get across to the next corner

01:23:24.040 --> 01:23:31.240
 and then the vehicle traffic one direction will go and then the other direction will go so it's

01:23:31.240 --> 01:23:37.640
 it's kind of a we're trying to keep the time about the same we're just moving it around

01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:44.520
 in a different direction yeah why not yeah i have some questions that people have asked me

01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:51.400
 but why not the diagonal so this is we're doing it as a texas two-step this is our pilot program

01:23:51.400 --> 01:23:57.640
 we want to see how the public and the businesses receive the pedestrian phase right now those

01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:07.400
 intersections aren't geometric they're physically not designed to allow the diagonal for accessible

01:24:07.400 --> 01:24:13.320
 needs users so what we would have to do if we want to do the true texas scramble or the pedestrian

01:24:13.320 --> 01:24:18.120
 scramble we'd have to change the ramps right now they're directional so you're going directly

01:24:18.120 --> 01:24:23.400
 across the street and then directly across the street to a what we used to do is that intersection

01:24:23.400 --> 01:24:27.800
 that corner load where you have the ramp that can go it's really widened up to go this way or that

01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:33.320
 way or shoot you straight across we don't have the markings or the ramps in place right now to

01:24:33.320 --> 01:24:40.120
 allow that diagonal certainly can be done but we want to test the waters and see how it's received

01:24:40.120 --> 01:24:47.880
 and we believe there's some significant safety aspects that will be seen as we move forward

01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:54.360
 with this pilot program i want to make sure i'm tracking uh as you go uh i probably already said

01:24:54.360 --> 01:25:00.600
 this like you have this exclusive pedestrian phase but then do you also have the sort of

01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:05.960
 traditional pedestrian no when the when the when the cars get to green the pedestrian is not allowed

01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:11.320
 to move and so here's this is a disadvantage just advantages for both drivers and pedestrians

01:25:11.320 --> 01:25:17.720
 the pedestrians don't have to worry about getting hit by car turning and when that light goes green

01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:22.440
 for the cars they don't have to worry about a pedestrian stepping off and causing a delay or

01:25:22.440 --> 01:25:26.520
 a conflict point as they're making a turn the through traffic will move just like it always does

01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:32.760
 but the right turn and the left turn will be they'll have the free right away now one of the things

01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:37.720
 this does that we'll talk about in the future in the slide but it does restrict the ability to take

01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:43.640
 a right on red or a left on red so we'll have no turns on red all cars stop pedestrians go

01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:49.800
 pedestrians stop and the cars go one direction at a time but they no longer have that conflict

01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:53.000
 they don't have to worry about somebody stepping off the curb right when they're trying to make a

01:25:53.000 --> 01:26:01.400
 turn so we actually get a little efficiency in both pedestrian and uh motorists with this approach

01:26:01.400 --> 01:26:09.080
 okay can you want that one more time that the the traffic is then ready to go one direction at a time

01:26:09.080 --> 01:26:16.680
 so it's so it's it's four four greens no no it runs like normal at that point it's just in this

01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:24.520
 case there's just no walk right and in this case you got a couple of one-way streets but so it the

01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:30.600
 traffic signal will operate like normal so north and south will go then east and west okay that's

01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:35.880
 what i thought you meant so it's two so it's three phases total right we're not changing the phase

01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:41.000
 north south phase east west phase pedestrian phase north south phase that's the cycle so the

01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.320
 pedestrians will see the exact same indication they see today and others will see the exact same

01:26:45.320 --> 01:26:49.320
 indication they will they do today but they won't have the conflict with each will not have the

01:26:49.320 --> 01:26:55.560
 conflict with the other we're trying to remove that conflict and give each movement pedestrian

01:26:55.560 --> 01:27:11.560
 or vehicular its own discrete tracks because there is i mean if you think about where you get

01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:19.960
 inside markings is that's the well as fargo is just to get some bearings on here on the south side

01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:26.760
 if you've got green light for for hickory there's no reason they shouldn't be the pedestrian crossing

01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:36.200
 could be open because no if you've got no turn on red there's nobody that can go back but

01:27:36.200 --> 01:27:45.000
 right if hickory's got the green light and locus has got the red that crosswalk could be open as

01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:51.320
 well you could we can do it over we'd be an overlap um part of what we wanted to do at the

01:27:51.320 --> 01:27:58.120
 pilot phase though is not confuse people by too many things going on at one time it's a very

01:27:58.120 --> 01:28:07.400
 just from personal experience i drove one of these over the summer and we were in victoria

01:28:08.040 --> 01:28:15.480
 canada had a lovely city a lot of people walk in everywhere fairly narrow roads a lot of parking

01:28:15.480 --> 01:28:22.680
 on all sides so when we're driving through the downtown area people are walking left and right

01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:26.680
 coming from behind parked vehicles parked cars are trying to park coming to come out parking

01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:30.840
 trying to figure out who's trying to turn right and left and then when you get to an intersection

01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:36.280
 all of this stuff happens at one time except at one intersection where they had an exclusive

01:28:36.280 --> 01:28:42.520
 pedestrian phase the the unique thing about that exclusive pedestrian phase is just from a drive

01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:47.720
 ability standpoint the first time i hit it i got to that intersection i was like what is going on

01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:54.280
 because all the cars stopped all the people went and then none of the people went and you got to

01:28:54.280 --> 01:29:00.360
 go the thing i discovered is is i really liked that intersection better than any so anytime we

01:29:00.360 --> 01:29:05.240
 were driving through the downtown area we made sure our route went that way because i didn't have

01:29:05.240 --> 01:29:09.800
 to worry about when i was turning left or right i wouldn't have to worry about people coming and

01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:14.680
 going and it was the only intersection that i was able to actually have that kind of confidence

01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:21.400
 driving i also stopped doing just intuitively i stopped doing that kind of edge up to the line

01:29:21.400 --> 01:29:27.160
 because i want to either beat the pedestrian or see the pedestrian or see another car i knew i was

01:29:27.160 --> 01:29:33.720
 going to have my turn so i didn't really edge up so i got i calmed down i was able to see a lot more

01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:40.680
 around me and i knew i was going to get my turn without conflict so what we see on the square

01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:46.520
 is you see people trying to walk and you got people trying to make a left they're looking

01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:51.640
 for parking there's a lot of i'm trying to figure out is the person going to walk i gotta try to get

01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:56.760
 that spot over there somebody's backing out of before this other guy gets it you got all those

01:29:56.760 --> 01:30:02.040
 things happening in this square which is where we started as we really got down to the nuts and

01:30:02.040 --> 01:30:08.920
 bolts of what is a exclusive pedestrian phase or an all walk how do we remove some of just that

01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:13.160
 anxiousness that we all feel when we're trying to drive through that area and provide some support

01:30:13.160 --> 01:30:21.560
 to a potentially chaotic area this is absolutely what that does intuitively it brings a lot of

01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:26.600
 order to an area where there's a lot of decisions that as a driver and as a pedestrian you don't

01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:32.840
 realize you're doing all the time you just don't really tell that you get that sense of order and

01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:37.880
 it will happen almost intuitively to everybody you get there you know you have your turn so you're

01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:44.120
 not doing this edging up i got i'm going to have plenty of time the pedestrian knows you're not

01:30:44.120 --> 01:30:48.440
 getting on my way i don't have to try to figure out are you jumping out in front of me are we

01:30:48.440 --> 01:30:53.000
 going to do the standoff here i'm going to let you in because you weigh more than i do

01:30:53.640 --> 01:31:00.680
 they can walk progressively across with confidence where they're going it also starts intuitively it

01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:06.120
 starts to prevent some of that i'm just going to jump out and walk across because i'm impatient

01:31:06.120 --> 01:31:12.920
 because everybody knows i have a chance to go you also get if you drive the square especially

01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:18.680
 around the lunchtime hour you're trying to find a place to park you see the left lane will get

01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:24.200
 clogged because people are walking across and we want them to walk across but now you got people

01:31:24.200 --> 01:31:28.040
 who are getting anxious because i want to try to turn or right turn so you see that in some too

01:31:28.040 --> 01:31:34.680
 depending on what side the pedestrians are really focused on walking across with this scenario i

01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:40.920
 should actually be able to clear traffic better when it's their turn without all the anxiousness

01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:48.280
 that comes up with that and i understand that but with it being a one way coming in from this one

01:31:48.280 --> 01:31:54.680
 one way coming in from this way and if your timing is such that it's for a pedestrian to cross once

01:31:54.680 --> 01:32:01.640
 then if they're wanting to go from this corner to this corner they're going to wait through

01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:07.720
 two cycles whereas if you said okay when i'm going northbound when locus has got the green

01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:15.720
 people on locus can't take left so we can leave that be a a walk zone and people will

01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:20.520
 will learn that that's the corner i want to get on that side because i can go with

01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:28.600
 traffic at the same time when it's an all walk i see what you're saying my concern is just going

01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:33.560
 to be that are we adding something different at one intersection or two intersections potentially

01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:40.680
 than we went anywhere else and ultimately what we're hoping to find out is absolutely this

01:32:40.680 --> 01:32:45.720
 phase works people like it we go to the next step and i have the diagonal

01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:48.600
 and i don't even have to worry about that anymore because you can just go straight across

01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:53.720
 but we're trying to step into this in a way where we can make this change quickly i mean if

01:32:53.720 --> 01:32:58.520
 council were to say yes we could do it tomorrow if we wanted to then we won't because we've got

01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:03.880
 signs and education and all that mess but we will do it fairly quickly depending on council's

01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:09.240
 direction the issue that really what we're trying to get through here is is this something that's

01:33:09.240 --> 01:33:15.320
 accepted is it something that through the pilot program that people will embrace and then we can

01:33:15.320 --> 01:33:20.600
 put the dollars to all the improvements but have to go on all those corners to make the diagonals

01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:27.000
 and then you get that very direct route on all corners yeah you know i understand that i think

01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:32.120
 it's a good program i'm just looking at you're going to have frustrated pedestrians that are

01:33:32.120 --> 01:33:37.720
 going to make it across one street and then have to wait for a full cycle of both locus and hickory

01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:43.960
 to go through before they get the light to cross again it could and we'll be actively monitoring

01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:49.960
 these intersections you know be a camera as well as physical having people out there to watch what's

01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:57.160
 going on but we can make adjustments as it goes along okay council members yeah i i have several

01:33:57.160 --> 01:34:03.000
 different comments that was one of them and one of the concerns that people commented and was that

01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:08.280
 generally with these types of programs the pedestrians get frustrated because they have

01:34:08.280 --> 01:34:15.080
 to wait or they don't have enough time to cross and right now they could go from one side to the

01:34:15.080 --> 01:34:21.320
 other side with the with the traffic timing but if for some reason they're not fast enough they can

01:34:21.320 --> 01:34:25.240
 only make it across one street and they get frustrated because they have to wait for four

01:34:25.240 --> 01:34:30.440
 lanes of traffic so then you have people just taking off and you know going rogue and trying

01:34:30.440 --> 01:34:38.680
 to cross whenever they can as a as a situation so that was just one of them and i have other

01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:45.400
 ones i can wait till the but this is a but if all traffic stops a person could i mean

01:34:45.400 --> 01:34:52.680
 if in theory they could walk diagonally that's the next phase well it well it is it is but

01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:57.400
 they can go where they want the issue is is that from an 88 compliancy perspective you

01:34:57.400 --> 01:35:01.560
 gotta strip they've got to stripe it they've got to throw out of the ramp so that's why it's phase

01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:08.760
 two is if it works then but i could i could start from that that that say the bottom right hand

01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:14.680
 let's see the bottom left hand corner and just just walk back you know all traffic stops if you're

01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:20.200
 nervous enough to go rogue you would do that sir if you're nervy enough to go no i wouldn't i'm not

01:35:20.200 --> 01:35:24.200
 going to agree with you all traffic stop yes i understand but i mean he's making i'm supporting

01:35:24.200 --> 01:35:29.240
 your point yes go ahead you can fight with me if you want so what is the timing so what is the

01:35:29.240 --> 01:35:34.680
 timing now and what will the proposed timing be because you said it would increase or no okay

01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:40.440
 you're talking about each phase so that's another actually it's kind of an advantage of going to

01:35:40.440 --> 01:35:46.520
 discrete phases because you can actually it's kind of intuitive perhaps but because i don't have to

01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:51.800
 if i'm in a car and i don't have to wait for the pedestrian to clear the turn that i want to make

01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:58.120
 left or right i can actually shorten that green time because i'm flowing free i don't have any

01:35:58.120 --> 01:36:01.880
 disruptions and no conflicts i can actually shorten the green time and get the same amount

01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:07.480
 of traffic through what that allows us to do is to move that green around if you think of the signal

01:36:07.480 --> 01:36:12.840
 cycle as a circle if we have shorter pieces smaller pieces of the pie i get more pieces

01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:21.320
 during the same amount of time so i'll be able to serve we've looked at it it's very very much

01:36:21.320 --> 01:36:26.200
 like it is today we're going to give shorter times because right now those pet times are extremely

01:36:26.200 --> 01:36:31.160
 long and some of those signal phases are extremely long because the pet phases are extremely long

01:36:31.160 --> 01:36:38.040
 if we can if we can serve the time and we may just use the diagonal time how how long does it

01:36:38.040 --> 01:36:41.960
 take a person to go from one corner to the other if they choose to do that we need to provide safe

01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:45.960
 crossing time well that's going to give more than enough time if you want to cross a single leg

01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:51.640
 but then that allows us to reduce the vehicular green time because now they don't have to worry

01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:56.680
 about they're not as todd said you'll see the right turn that it'll start and then they have

01:36:56.680 --> 01:37:01.400
 to stop and wait for the pedestrians to clear don't have to do that anymore so when they get

01:37:01.400 --> 01:37:06.680
 the green they're it's free flow they're free to go right left straight and we can actually serve

01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:12.680
 the same number of cars with a shorter cycle or the shorter phase so the same we may have shorter

01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:18.440
 phases we have more of them so even though they have to wait as a pedestrian like to cross this

01:37:18.440 --> 01:37:23.160
 street and then wait across that street and wait the time it takes the total time it takes to cross

01:37:23.160 --> 01:37:24.760
 is not that different than it is today

01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:29.800
 if you want to hear the rest of the presentation then we'll take their issues

01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:35.480
 so we've already talked about a lot of it yeah that's right look there's numbers on there so

01:37:35.480 --> 01:37:42.520
 so the uh the concept really is we've been around for a long time in the 40s it was in some of the

01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:48.680
 urban denser urban areas it was standard practice and then after world war ii when the states became

01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:53.240
 pretty auto-centric and everybody had their car they wanted one person one car it kind of fell out

01:37:53.240 --> 01:37:58.280
 of favor because prioritization was given to the vehicular road so pedestrians kind of fell away

01:37:58.280 --> 01:38:02.760
 people stopped walking they started driving everywhere but now with the resurgence of the

01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:11.080
 complete streets you see a lot of these implementation again starting in the larger urban areas but it's

01:38:11.080 --> 01:38:15.720
 really it's a great practice for anywhere you have that conflict enough pedestrians and enough

01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:19.640
 turning and traffic volume vehicular volumes is a good idea

01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:29.800
 so we've talked about a lot of the advantages it increases the convenience for pedestrians they no

01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:37.320
 longer have to worry about crossing and conflicting with the auto it definitely enhances the pedestrian

01:38:37.320 --> 01:38:43.960
 safety i think once people get over that hump of if there's a little frustration as todd said they

01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:46.920
 know they're going to get their turn and they're not going to have a car trying to turn in front of

01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:53.880
 them it really enhances the safety level and the other thing that it does is it really promotes the

01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:58.920
 pedestrian mode we're we're all about that complete streets concept we're going to get people out of

01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:05.400
 their car you know park a block away and again we're starting with the pilot program we may expand

01:39:05.400 --> 01:39:12.680
 this but we want to we want to make it comfortable for people to walk around downtown and this is a

01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:18.520
 this is an easy way where we can make it safe dependable and comfortable for people to walk

01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:23.240
 instead of driving from or trying to park as close to their destinations can they know they

01:39:23.240 --> 01:39:31.320
 can walk safely then the more likely to walk so again it increases the visibility all the

01:39:31.320 --> 01:39:37.000
 heads are you get this platoon of heads crossing the cars can see them they know it's not their turn

01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:43.160
 eliminate the conflict conflict points between the vehicles and the heads and we can actually as we

01:39:43.160 --> 01:39:47.960
 said reduce the overall head crossing time because they no longer have to wait for cars

01:39:47.960 --> 01:39:55.160
 once they start they can complete their maneuver without a conflict the other thing it does is

01:39:55.160 --> 01:40:01.800
 it can actually tighten up some intersections downtown may not we may not see this but on

01:40:01.800 --> 01:40:08.120
 other locations if we expand this program because you no longer have cars and heads moving at the

01:40:08.120 --> 01:40:14.920
 same time we can type we can bring those crosswalks in a little bit and shorten the distance for

01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:22.200
 potentially for pedestrians and for cars because if we move the stop bars in this goes again how

01:40:22.200 --> 01:40:27.320
 we can reduce that green time for a car they've got less time they that it takes them from the

01:40:27.320 --> 01:40:32.760
 stop bar to clear the intersection because we brought it in tight so pedestrians don't have to

01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:38.760
 worry about a car either turning or even if it's in the same direction right now we keep a safe

01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:44.840
 distance 46 feet between the travel lane crosswalk we don't have to do that anymore because we don't

01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:50.680
 have that conflict there's no cars moving at the same time as a passenger and we talked about the

01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:58.600
 shorter vehicular faces now in some instances of larger intersections because the the crosswalk

01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:04.120
 times are extremely long you can add some delay and it's a trade-off as to whether or not that

01:41:04.120 --> 01:41:09.880
 safety increase is worth the delay increase so if you've got larger intersections again not

01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:15.800
 necessarily these first four but if we move this pilot program to other locations in the city

01:41:16.360 --> 01:41:22.200
 you can increase the overall delay for both vehicles and pedestrians it doesn't eliminate

01:41:22.200 --> 01:41:27.080
 the turn on red right turn on red left turn on red on one-way streets we really don't want those

01:41:27.080 --> 01:41:32.600
 cars moving at the same time as a pad so we have to restrict that and you can introduce some driver

01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:38.760
 frustration but as i think as todd said once you once the drivers learn hey i'm going to get my

01:41:38.760 --> 01:41:43.080
 turn and when i when i get my turn i don't have to worry about pedestrians and if we can keep those

01:41:44.040 --> 01:41:49.160
 phases short to where we serve the we serve the demand that's there we don't not wait for the

01:41:49.160 --> 01:41:53.880
 platoon that's a block and a half away and we move it around more often than we can

01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:55.880
 we can mitigate a lot of that frustration

01:41:55.880 --> 01:42:01.080
 todder gave his example this was his

01:42:01.080 --> 01:42:07.640
 again a lot of the larger urban areas are defaulting to this

01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:16.360
 there are some states up north primarily where anytime they do an intersection you have to prove

01:42:16.360 --> 01:42:20.600
 that you would not have an exclusive pedestrian base because it is by default built down

01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:27.080
 i know some of our constituents who prefer that our traffic engineers only travel within the state

01:42:27.080 --> 01:42:35.000
 of texas but i think it's going to be for xmas no idea marcelon spain is this is the whole the whole

01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:41.960
 city's this and it is controlled beautiful chaos and if nobody ever can put through each other

01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:46.600
 i like that until he said cats well i mean there's just a lot a lot of people moving

01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:52.760
 and it worked perfect i was you know i'm not a complete streets guy but that was for us

01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:58.280
 and it's not limited although our initial deployment is really focusing on some one-way

01:42:58.280 --> 01:43:02.360
 streets it's really not limited to one-way streets at all i mean any intersection with the right

01:43:03.480 --> 01:43:07.000
 pedestrian vehicle component is a candidate for this treatment

01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:11.320
 we've talked about several other locations in town where it might make sense

01:43:11.320 --> 01:43:17.480
 well do i have to ask what else is on your radar since you introduced that topic

01:43:17.480 --> 01:43:21.720
 uh you know what i'll hold it because i asked everyone else all their questions go ahead you

01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:27.320
 got 11 12 13 and 14 right so probably one that says questions this one we've already talked about

01:43:27.320 --> 01:43:33.080
 these are the four locations timeline we have presented to the main street association traffic

01:43:33.080 --> 01:43:42.520
 safety commission uh dedc mobility today council we've got uh we're actually added one committee on

01:43:42.520 --> 01:43:48.920
 persons with disabilities will be next thursday and so uh we're ready to implement the the week

01:43:48.920 --> 01:43:56.440
 before thanksgiving we've got uh we've got the the program running on some some controllers in on

01:43:56.440 --> 01:44:01.560
 the bench we're having a little implementation problem when we go to the field but we've got our

01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:07.480
 technical people coming in this week to iron that out we'll be ready to move next week

01:44:07.480 --> 01:44:15.560
 so a little bit about the program implementation if we start the week in november we're going to

01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:21.160
 work until spring five or six months we're going to let it run we'll be assessing we'll be taking

01:44:21.160 --> 01:44:28.360
 feedback the public outreach loop has got a great website they're ready to roll out it's just got a

01:44:28.360 --> 01:44:35.000
 feedback survey on it a lot of helpful tips we're going to have some a phrase signs out on the

01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:41.960
 corners too i think it's one on each corner of each intersection that'll give some tips about

01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:47.800
 hey you've got to push the button don't cross you know when the cars are crossing just some

01:44:47.800 --> 01:44:55.400
 helpful hints they've got some faqs on the website so we'll be bringing this back with an assessment

01:44:56.280 --> 01:45:03.000
 of kind of a summary of the feedback that we received if we have any hopefully not but if

01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:08.040
 we have any crash data we'll try to share that with you as well and then again bring it back to

01:45:08.040 --> 01:45:13.240
 you for a determination whether or not we want to terminate the pilot program or continue it as a

01:45:13.240 --> 01:45:17.800
 permanent operation and then after if we decide to continue it then we can talk about expansion

01:45:22.280 --> 01:45:32.360
 okay questions yes so why wouldn't we just eliminate the right or left turns on red

01:45:32.360 --> 01:45:40.200
 if that's a an issue so because that that's been an issue for right now for when there's there's an

01:45:40.200 --> 01:45:46.200
 automatic crosswalk implemented base so you don't have to push the button and so people have gotten

01:45:46.200 --> 01:45:50.360
 used to that a little bit so that's one of my issues we're going to have to make them start

01:45:50.360 --> 01:45:58.200
 pushing the button again second so what about the flashing yellows it's that fade is that going to

01:45:58.200 --> 01:46:06.200
 go away the flashing yellow arrows and does that mean that they can still turn are you talking about

01:46:06.200 --> 01:46:13.400
 that hickory yellow just yeah yeah because that's a big issue and if that stays and we're still

01:46:13.400 --> 01:46:21.960
 working through that issue and that one way it's a two-way conundrum is really it's an issue that

01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:28.440
 just has to be resolved the best option is to resolve that issue is to clearly define that

01:46:28.440 --> 01:46:34.440
 entire stretch of road is one way or two way that gets rid of that because now we can control that

01:46:34.440 --> 01:46:41.160
 effectively with the signal that people know what they're doing with this pedestrian phase what it

01:46:41.160 --> 01:46:48.440
 does do is if you're trying to figure out who's going you've at least eliminated the well i got

01:46:48.440 --> 01:46:53.880
 a pedestrian crossing too so now i'm trying to figure out who's going when and i'm trying to

01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:59.560
 juggle what the pedestrians are doing all at the same time we're still working on what's the best

01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:06.520
 solution for that conflict where they come together so that will still be going on but there will not

01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:14.280
 be a pedestrian sign because now there is at the same time as the yellow crossing so that will be

01:47:14.280 --> 01:47:19.720
 removed right at least okay so let me answer your first part about the right turn on red the right

01:47:19.720 --> 01:47:25.640
 turn on there's there's two conflicts um one is when if i pull up to the stop bar and i get a green

01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:32.520
 and i want to turn right during that green phase i conflict with the pedestrian that's crossing with me

01:47:35.080 --> 01:47:39.720
 if i pull up and i want to turn right on the red i conflict with the person that's crossing

01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:45.560
 against me so eliminating the right turn on red only eliminates part of the conflict what we're

01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:50.600
 trying to do is eliminate all vehicular pedestrian conflicts and with the with the all-walk crosswalks

01:47:50.600 --> 01:47:55.560
 pedestrians all move at one time and the vehicles move when it's their turn and they don't have that

01:47:55.560 --> 01:48:00.280
 conflict with the pedestrian so the right turn on red helps but it only helps part way

01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:05.240
 all right so i talked about the push button i talked about that you said the disability

01:48:05.240 --> 01:48:09.800
 committee is going to review this so that was another question my right turn only so um

01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:14.600
 so some of the feedback about this

01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:24.360
 phase or what we're doing here is that pedestrians get frustrated with the time that they have to wait

01:48:24.360 --> 01:48:30.040
 but i think you may have solved that by saying that all the phases are going to be shorter

01:48:30.040 --> 01:48:36.840
 and we have the ability to to reduce the green time again we've we're running it on the bench

01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:42.040
 right now we haven't done a field implementation but we're going to be monitoring this so that if

01:48:42.040 --> 01:48:47.480
 we see that we're clearing the cues then we can shorten that green time we're going to tailor this

01:48:47.480 --> 01:48:55.320
 to maximize our efficiency of moving that green time around the intersection and are we afraid or

01:48:55.320 --> 01:49:02.600
 have you thought about if cars back up the traffic backs up into the next intersection

01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:10.280
 so yeah or you know there's somebody waiting for a parking place and holding holding something up and

01:49:10.280 --> 01:49:17.240
 some of that is a problem today and regardless some of that will be a problem in the future i

01:49:17.240 --> 01:49:23.960
 i don't think it's going to be as a bigger problem as maybe people think it will be because oh my

01:49:23.960 --> 01:49:28.360
 goodness now we're all stopping the reality is if everybody stopped

01:49:28.360 --> 01:49:36.120
 but i've got pedestrians doing their thing at one time so they get a priority whereas right now they

01:49:36.120 --> 01:49:42.440
 kind of are treated as secondary to the cars we're getting the pedestrians priority thing you

01:49:42.440 --> 01:49:50.520
 absolutely have your own face now when the car is cleared they're clearing faster and even if they

01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:55.640
 have to wait for somebody backing out they're doing that today with the current single configuration

01:49:55.640 --> 01:50:01.800
 that really won't change so a situation where the excuse me the vehicles are you know it just comes

01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:06.440
 from a bridge you know they're stacked up someone's blocking a car is blocking the intersection and

01:50:06.440 --> 01:50:11.960
 just red lights all over right and so pedestrians are going to potentially walking in between vehicles

01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:18.520
 that well so you get two components there that that happens today part of that is also an

01:50:18.520 --> 01:50:25.160
 enforcement issue because you're not supposed to be in the intersection in order to stop and stop

01:50:25.160 --> 01:50:30.520
 ahead of you you're supposed to lean on the other side of the intersection and then once that clears

01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:35.160
 then you can look into the intersection that's what's supposed to happen and always happen that

01:50:35.160 --> 01:50:42.120
 way but that even happens today there's no good answer for that one so are we going to have proper

01:50:42.120 --> 01:50:48.920
 signage like no right turns yes it's a complete package just the the programming part and controllers

01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:53.880
 but we've also got no turn on red signs that are part of this implementation as well and then my

01:50:53.880 --> 01:51:01.240
 last question is bicycle boxes somebody a couple people mentioned that i think mark just left so i

01:51:01.240 --> 01:51:09.960
 don't know um okay if you can just address that or you can do you know what that means i i do we have

01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:16.920
 not planned on implementing those with part of this there is a kind of a fine point on the bicycles

01:51:16.920 --> 01:51:22.600
 if they're going to drive through the intersection as a cyclist they are a vehicle and they have to

01:51:22.600 --> 01:51:26.840
 wait for the green light for their if they're in the lane of traffic they have to wait for the green

01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:32.280
 light if they want to if they want to cross with the crosswalk during the all-walk crosswalk phase

01:51:32.280 --> 01:51:37.320
 they have to dismount and walk the bike across so but we're not planning on with this pilot

01:51:37.320 --> 01:51:44.280
 implementing any additional cyclist provisions like the bike box or a separate bike phase or bike

01:51:44.280 --> 01:51:50.440
 detection so we can address that in the future but with this right now we're just talking about

01:51:50.440 --> 01:51:56.520
 separating the vehicle and the pedestrian faces yeah i think that really the bike box is absolutely

01:51:56.520 --> 01:52:01.640
 the point of conversation has been moved forward with the mobility plan and the bicycle component

01:52:01.640 --> 01:52:06.680
 of the of the plan it's absolutely a part of that discussion okay all right thank you

01:52:08.200 --> 01:52:16.840
 um now i like the idea i think it will work well i think we're way overdue for no turn on red that

01:52:16.840 --> 01:52:21.800
 should happen on the square a long time ago because you cannot see the oncoming traffic unless you're

01:52:21.800 --> 01:52:28.360
 already in the crosswalk so why that hasn't happened years ago i don't know uh looking forward to see

01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:38.760
 how it's accepted by everybody out there would you mind going back to the um the uh next steps slide

01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:50.520
 well yeah yeah no no not that one the dates oh okay okay so all right so it already went to

01:52:50.520 --> 01:52:55.880
 traffic safety correct and they they liked it right great green light so to speak yes um what

01:52:55.880 --> 01:53:01.960
 is the point of going to the uh council before you go to the committee on persons with disability

01:53:01.960 --> 01:53:06.120
 when we want to get that input and have that be part of the input to council it was just a scheduling

01:53:06.120 --> 01:53:10.760
 when we decided to move forward with this they'd already had their last meeting so we put it on the

01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:15.480
 next available agenda they meet that frequently maybe the next next thursday i mean i would

01:53:15.480 --> 01:53:20.920
 anticipate that you know council may say sounds good except we want to hear what they say so

01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:27.000
 i don't know i mean what what then happens it goes to them and they can you know council's already

01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:32.440
 proved this how does that work what if they have a big issue with it or some group of some great

01:53:32.440 --> 01:53:41.240
 insights what would we do in it my comment on that is that today council doesn't say yes we just give

01:53:41.240 --> 01:53:45.560
 correction before and then they would go to the mobility committee and implement what they say

01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:50.760
 before it comes back to us for a vote also comes back to council for a vote is that so i didn't see

01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:56.360
 that i see the presentation of council today and then implementation or you could approve

01:53:56.360 --> 01:54:05.560
 contingent upon yeah all right i anticipate that uh and then um first of all i should condition

01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:13.000
 what i say by saying i like it and it makes sense to me just as an individual uh but i want to ask

01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:20.360
 your indulgence um you know i got a an email i mentioned you did too from one of our you know kind of

01:54:20.360 --> 01:54:27.240
 very engaged citizens particularly focuses on pedestrian bike mobility she cites a study

01:54:27.240 --> 01:54:36.360
 that uh that says this sort of thing works works well uh only where people tend to

01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:43.240
 follow the rules and then it then it works better in situations where it's long crossings and high

01:54:43.240 --> 01:54:51.480
 traffic uh high auto traffic but not so well in this situation which is you know low relatively

01:54:51.480 --> 01:54:58.360
 low distance uh you know and not like not like a highway situation like i said intuitively this

01:54:58.360 --> 01:55:03.160
 makes all kinds of sense to me to have all traffic stopped when people are crossing i wonder if you're

01:55:03.160 --> 01:55:11.640
 aware of this research and if uh okay let's see maybe i can read it to you if i can beg your indulgence

01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:22.360
 sure um what here this is from safety ass effects of exclusive and concurrent signal phasing

01:55:22.360 --> 01:55:29.160
 pedestrian crossings and it's a 2015 study they you know if you want i'll dig into it and find out the

01:55:29.160 --> 01:55:35.560
 source but these are quotes from it intersections with concurrent phasing have fewer total pedestrian

01:55:35.560 --> 01:55:40.680
 crashes than those with exclusive phasing but more crashes at higher severity

01:55:40.680 --> 01:55:48.680
 however since traffic has stopped on all directions exclusive pedestrian phasing

01:55:48.680 --> 01:55:54.680
 results in longer delays for motor vehicles and pedestrians pedestrians often do not wait for the

01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:59.960
 pedestrian phase potentially resulting in unexpected interactions between pedestrians

01:55:59.960 --> 01:56:06.280
 and motor vehicles the requested pedestrian phase may then go unused frustrating drivers who must

01:56:06.280 --> 01:56:12.360
 then wait for the phase to run its course we recommend i don't know exactly the ways recommend

01:56:12.360 --> 01:56:18.680
 that exclusive phasing be considered only in these conditions high traffic speeds long crossing

01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:25.400
 distances and low pedestrian volumes in contrast locations with low traffic speeds short crossing

01:56:25.400 --> 01:56:30.680
 distances and high pedestrian volume should not be considered for exclusive pedestrian phasing

01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:36.600
 unless there's also significant use of the intersection by pedestrians with physical or

01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:46.200
 visual challenges let's see if i can find the source here okay i can't wait uh so are you are

01:56:46.200 --> 01:56:51.720
 you aware of the study of this there's a reason why and this is different than that so the the

01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:58.200
 effectiveness or the success is very much intersection specific and i'm going to say when

01:56:58.200 --> 01:57:03.160
 you talk about a long crossing versus a short crossing a residential intersection is a short

01:57:03.160 --> 01:57:07.800
 crossing okay well we've actually this is when you're when you're talking about crossing locus

01:57:07.800 --> 01:57:12.760
 you've got two travel lanes and two parking lanes you've got four lanes of traffic that's not

01:57:12.760 --> 01:57:22.200
 necessarily a short crossing and the research that i'm much more impressed or that i agree with it's

01:57:22.200 --> 01:57:27.720
 not the speed of the vehicles it's how much turning traffic you have because that's the conflict if

01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:32.200
 you're going straight and i'm going straight as pedestrian there's no conflict it's when you want

01:57:32.200 --> 01:57:38.280
 to turn right and left and around the square they have a lot of turning they also also the the point

01:57:38.280 --> 01:57:45.560
 about the disadvantaged or challenged pedestrian i'm going to take that to the next step and it's

01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:51.560
 the distracted pedestrian because when you're the pedestrians are types that we have around the square

01:57:51.560 --> 01:57:56.280
 you're looking for where you're going you're with a group of friends you're not necessarily just

01:57:56.280 --> 01:58:03.080
 walking like on somebody on university coming from class and students they're just we're walking but

01:58:03.080 --> 01:58:07.240
 around the square you've got all this different activity going on and now you've got cars turning

01:58:07.240 --> 01:58:11.800
 and you've got pedestrians trying to walk this way much more concerned about the distracted

01:58:11.800 --> 01:58:17.240
 pedestrian and the number of turning vehicles and again these are not necessarily even though

01:58:17.240 --> 01:58:21.480
 you're you only got one lane of traffic in each direction that you've got that parking adjacent to

01:58:21.480 --> 01:58:28.120
 and so you know you still got a pretty good crossing distance also want to ask you mentioned

01:58:28.120 --> 01:58:34.120
 that there are other places around the city where you think this might be applicable i wonder what

01:58:34.120 --> 01:58:39.240
 intersections you have in mind well so i don't necessarily have intersections in mind but what i

01:58:39.240 --> 01:58:46.920
 have is those areas where we have again the distracted pedestrian i'm going to lump it into

01:58:46.920 --> 01:58:53.240
 university students yeah on the phone across the street anywhere around i'm not distracted

01:58:53.240 --> 01:58:57.960
 they have complete and total focus laser focus it's not on their surroundings correct

01:58:58.680 --> 01:59:04.520
 so anytime we have high pedestrian volumes and potentially distracted or not necessarily paying

01:59:04.520 --> 01:59:11.320
 attention i would argue that anywhere around unt or twu not anywhere but there are several

01:59:11.320 --> 01:59:21.320
 locations that might fit this this such as exactly such as friday right well yeah so anywhere

01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:29.480
 uh i don't think that would even have a it will but i don't think it has a head phase but but those

01:59:29.480 --> 01:59:33.160
 are the locations that we're looking to expand this where we've got those pedestrian volumes we've got

01:59:33.160 --> 01:59:37.880
 the the vehicular volumes it doesn't necessarily have to be a high vehicular volume but if you've

01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:42.120
 got high turning points or you've got as tob pointed out you've got people driving looking

01:59:42.120 --> 01:59:47.000
 for a parking space they're not necessarily focused on what's happening with the pedestrians

01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:53.480
 or even other vehicles so i'm asking like you know my true inner inclination is to be supportive

01:59:53.480 --> 02:00:00.280
 i'm asking this as kind of constituent service see what you say uh another uh very engaged citizen

02:00:00.280 --> 02:00:07.320
 says if you're you know would it make sense to other lower risk intersections where you would

02:00:07.320 --> 02:00:14.920
 want to where you might consider testing this first asking the question you know with what do

02:00:14.920 --> 02:00:21.800
 you think about that suggestion my question would come down to this what do you call it risk is the

02:00:21.800 --> 02:00:28.040
 risk of pedestrian crashes so it's going to be some well some volumetric metric here's where i

02:00:28.040 --> 02:00:34.920
 struggle with that one if i'm looking at this option as opposed to i'm going to insert a

02:00:34.920 --> 02:00:41.160
 roundabout or something that is new to a good number of drivers you're putting in something that

02:00:41.960 --> 02:00:49.400
 intuitively everybody's going to understand from the start it's a crosswalk it's a signal you get

02:00:49.400 --> 02:00:56.280
 the driver gets a red light they see a sign that says no right on red no left on red they intuitively

02:00:56.280 --> 02:01:04.920
 know these things as soon as they approach it so this the likelihood of increased risk actually

02:01:04.920 --> 02:01:10.280
 goes down because this is a much more intuitive education process than one where we're going to

02:01:10.280 --> 02:01:17.480
 insert something some new dynamic like the flashing yellows on the dueling heads or oak and

02:01:17.480 --> 02:01:24.200
 hickory and locust that i'm way more worried about doing something different there than i am

02:01:24.200 --> 02:01:32.200
 you got a longer time to walk and the cars have their green light and it's very orderly the issue

02:01:32.200 --> 02:01:37.560
 that you generally run into is one that we deal with anyway and that somebody says well i'm late

02:01:37.560 --> 02:01:43.960
 i'm just going to go you're never going to prevent that i don't care what control we put at that

02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:48.680
 at that intersection you're never going to prevent that people are still going to cross if they see

02:01:48.680 --> 02:01:54.040
 it's clear they're going to cross when they want to cross we're just saying let's give you a priority

02:01:54.040 --> 02:02:02.280
 in this chaos and what brings them forward to it and say you go when you go i'll go when i go

02:02:03.320 --> 02:02:08.280
 the pedestrian absolutely still can make the choice if nobody's coming down locust i'm just

02:02:08.280 --> 02:02:15.320
 going to go i can do that we're not slowing that down i think this is a much if we're talking about

02:02:15.320 --> 02:02:23.000
 risk assessment i don't see the risk here with this option we also want to implement the pilot

02:02:23.000 --> 02:02:28.600
 program just in this way for exactly that reason no commitment on this beyond let's try it let's

02:02:28.600 --> 02:02:34.600
 watch it we've got traffic cameras at these intersections so we can see it live when the

02:02:34.600 --> 02:02:40.760
 minute something happens we'll be able to make adjustments to signal timing this is a very

02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:48.840
 different scenario i would be more hesitant to do this on a university campus than i would on the

02:02:48.840 --> 02:02:55.080
 square where people are are more acute and aware of what's going on around them i'm more worried

02:02:55.080 --> 02:02:59.320
 about doing something in another place where it's a new phenomena and i still got kids are just

02:02:59.320 --> 02:03:03.880
 they're not going to care i assume the traffic is going to stop for me regardless where it happens

02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:11.240
 how long would you intend the test base to be it was five to six months five to six months

02:03:11.240 --> 02:03:17.720
 and uh and what what would be the key metrics that define success so there's a variety of avenues

02:03:17.720 --> 02:03:22.680
 there that we're looking to explore it's actually being out in the field asking questions of people

02:03:22.680 --> 02:03:28.040
 on the corners as they're using it uh there'll be an online survey component in this people are

02:03:28.040 --> 02:03:34.600
 invited to come they can scan the code they can give their feedback that way and we're trying to

02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:39.720
 capture that data of people who park remotely they work up there or they live up there and they're

02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:46.120
 just walking as well as the people who come up there they park it and walk it so user reaction

02:03:46.120 --> 02:03:55.960
 is right all right uh you didn't ask for direction in that posting but uh i'm willing to give you

02:03:55.960 --> 02:04:01.880
 you know certain now you give you get direction uh do you want to go ahead it says you've given

02:04:01.880 --> 02:04:07.640
 your direction yeah i mean it's going to city council for presentation in a couple of hours

02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:17.560
 and then you support that you support it going to council okay how about you yeah okay uh yeah uh me

02:04:17.560 --> 02:04:26.200
 too i would just suggest that uh probably the citizen input that came to me has come to other

02:04:26.200 --> 02:04:32.360
 council members as well and so the extent that you want to you know just be prepared to address

02:04:32.360 --> 02:04:48.840
 those points so much of those studies are very they're focused on an intersection or two or three

02:04:48.840 --> 02:04:54.360
 intersections and it doesn't necessarily look at the holistic picture so it becomes very

02:04:54.360 --> 02:05:01.080
 intersection specific and what are the intricacies of that area versus somewhere else great thank you

02:05:01.080 --> 02:05:04.840
 and i look forward to hearing the presentation to see if it's completely different in a couple of

02:05:04.840 --> 02:05:14.920
 hours i've got time thank you okay moving on to img staff reports

02:05:25.400 --> 02:05:32.040
 i don't want to pull up the matrix we've changed the name of matrix because we had some naming

02:05:32.040 --> 02:05:40.280
 issues we just say i don't have any consideration that would you change it from in two he just did

02:05:40.280 --> 02:05:49.640
 like us calling him neo that was part of it so as you can see i think the first few items they're

02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:56.840
 more of ongoing i think dct regularly hearing that and these two or three items they're part of the

02:05:56.840 --> 02:06:01.800
 big picture mobility plan that's mobility presentations are coming to work session items

02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:09.800
 and coming months from below and the right turn lane versus bike lane that is at university

02:06:09.800 --> 02:06:21.000
 i believe that was the issue it is a typical lane but it's a

02:06:21.000 --> 02:06:28.920
 it's an intersection where

02:06:28.920 --> 02:06:36.760
 you typically have a right turn lane and a bike or a through lane a shared through right

02:06:36.760 --> 02:06:42.520
 lane and a bike lane next to each other it's it's on most of our bike routes so one of the

02:06:42.520 --> 02:06:49.160
 things we can look at is more signage or some striping that you know alludes to traffic that

02:06:49.160 --> 02:06:55.160
 hey when you're turning be aware that there's a bike lane and since you're merging into biking

02:06:55.160 --> 02:07:00.920
 this is fairly typical and i can have brian talk about the merging or mark talk about it but i think

02:07:01.480 --> 02:07:07.720
 the question was the conflict between the right turners and the bike yeah people try and use that

02:07:07.720 --> 02:07:13.480
 as a three lane intersection so they stay in the main lane if they're going straight and they get

02:07:13.480 --> 02:07:18.040
 in the bike lane to make a right hand turn typically maybe we need the green paint that we use

02:07:18.040 --> 02:07:25.320
 on carroll and that might be a solution that typically the law requires them to merge into

02:07:25.320 --> 02:07:31.000
 the into the bike lane before they can make it right so this is a merging area that's why you

02:07:31.000 --> 02:07:38.040
 can see this area it's not a solid line and i can have brian talk in detail about this striping but

02:07:38.040 --> 02:07:43.800
 typically what is required per law is they merge into this bike area and this becomes a merge

02:07:43.800 --> 02:07:51.560
 mixed use or used by both a bike bicyclists as well as vehicles this area is used for the right

02:07:51.560 --> 02:07:56.200
 turning vehicles so if you're turning right you're required to merge and then make a right so that

02:07:56.200 --> 02:08:02.120
 you're not cutting off or getting in conflict with the bicyclists that coming in the bicyclist sees

02:08:02.120 --> 02:08:07.400
 you in that particular area because they you now notice that you're turning right so this is this

02:08:07.400 --> 02:08:12.760
 is required for the bicycle for the vehicle to merge into that area it's not necessarily required

02:08:12.760 --> 02:08:19.000
 for them to stay there and act and and use that as a third lane which is what i think is what is

02:08:19.000 --> 02:08:24.440
 happening so yes i think a little bit of paint and some striping that says shared use only for

02:08:24.440 --> 02:08:30.440
 right turners or something like that that's something that we can look into once we implemented we'll

02:08:30.440 --> 02:08:39.480
 come back and give you a quick update but that's that item getting into there are four items that

02:08:39.480 --> 02:08:48.600
 we'll be bringing in next meeting and those will be item six which is the policy if we have any

02:08:49.240 --> 02:08:55.320
 and what is our policy according to police department and bicycle enforcement item seven

02:08:55.320 --> 02:09:05.000
 i think we are currently going back and forth on a resolution and legally getting ready to agree

02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:13.000
 with the terms of the turn back agreement and then the other two items is items are number nine and

02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:20.280
 number 12 update on small transportation projects and number 12 is sidewalk connectivity so we'll

02:09:20.280 --> 02:09:27.480
 bring those back next time we get together i do have an update on item 10 which is the speed

02:09:27.480 --> 02:09:36.280
 studies we conducted speed studies earlier this year on kings row nottingham and winzer and except

02:09:36.280 --> 02:09:44.760
 for kings row i want to say kings row was slightly above the 85th percentile was 32 or 33

02:09:44.760 --> 02:09:53.080
 it's slightly above the speed limit on kings row what rest of the rest of the speed studies or

02:09:53.080 --> 02:09:59.800
 surveys showed that they were under 30 miles an hour so the 85th percentile on nottingham as well

02:09:59.800 --> 02:10:07.800
 as winzer was under 30 miles an hour so that was the result based on the speed study we can conduct

02:10:07.800 --> 02:10:15.880
 more studies but we're typically we try and conduct these i think there was a slight change before

02:10:15.880 --> 02:10:21.800
 police department was doing some of our studies but now traffic engineering has taken that over

02:10:21.800 --> 02:10:27.320
 so they will be depending on the request depending on the need they'll be connecting traffic speed

02:10:27.320 --> 02:10:34.040
 studies just to update our inventory and make sure that our speeds are posted at the right speed

02:10:34.040 --> 02:10:42.040
 any questions you can add yeah open to additional so you guys go first

02:10:42.040 --> 02:10:54.600
 that's what we're great i've been getting comments this is going to be a little unfocused but i want

02:10:54.600 --> 02:11:01.560
 you to respond to it however you will i think i've comments that we do a new road construction and

02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:07.320
 they get wobbly before you know and very soon they become wobbly here's a perception well use oak as

02:11:07.320 --> 02:11:14.680
 an example that's recently redone and you know it seems to be kind of an undulating ride and the

02:11:15.640 --> 02:11:25.480
 perception is that there are not just there but perhaps elsewhere that we take a uniform approach

02:11:25.480 --> 02:11:31.880
 to the engineering when there may be underlying differences in the the soil level you know the

02:11:31.880 --> 02:11:38.360
 composition of the soil so that you know things quickly settle unevenly and again it was wobbly

02:11:38.360 --> 02:11:48.760
 roads perception so i'd be interested in hearing the future session if you think there's any truth

02:11:48.760 --> 02:11:55.240
 to that if there's any changes if so if you think there are any changes or are there changes underway

02:11:55.240 --> 02:12:02.600
 at this time in in our engineering approach to that to the soil level wasn't positive so that

02:12:02.600 --> 02:12:09.160
 asked me well i'm not wrong if you choose to but i think i can at least get there a little bit of

02:12:09.160 --> 02:12:13.880
 the way and if we need to go further we can come back to another time absolutely the biggest issue

02:12:13.880 --> 02:12:21.000
 with some of these roads is if it's a reconstruct that's a big term to throw out there as a program

02:12:21.000 --> 02:12:30.440
 not all roads are completely reconstructed so it ends up happening in some cases is and oak is one

02:12:30.440 --> 02:12:37.400
 that predates me so i don't know exactly to what extent they went to if we were doing it today

02:12:37.400 --> 02:12:44.760
 we would do what we call geotechnical core samples and a lot of times you'll see even the state do

02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:51.800
 this so you'll see the state come in and reconstruct a road from the base up we discovered this just

02:12:51.800 --> 02:12:57.480
 recently talking to the state they only do test force to the bottom of the pavement when they're

02:12:57.480 --> 02:13:04.760
 going to reconstruct so they're not looking into what's going on below ground is that a good idea

02:13:04.760 --> 02:13:11.800
 well no so and that has been a common practice across the state when they're just reconstructing

02:13:11.800 --> 02:13:17.640
 an existing road what we do right now because especially with the source we have here so all

02:13:17.640 --> 02:13:23.800
 of our projects go at least 15 16 feet down sometimes even further the roadway depth is

02:13:23.800 --> 02:13:28.520
 actually if it's asphalt it's going to be somewhere around 24 inches total to get to the base

02:13:28.520 --> 02:13:33.880
 concrete is going to be a little narrow about 18 inches so they're only going about that far

02:13:33.880 --> 02:13:40.520
 that we're going 15 16 sometimes if we see groundwater we may even go further we don't

02:13:40.520 --> 02:13:45.640
 reach rock and any in a shorter time frame we think it's there we may be going deeper just

02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:51.880
 figuring out where all the material is and understand do i have high sulfates in the soil

02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:57.080
 yeah sulfates that was the one yes yes so i because that will make the base turn into a

02:13:57.080 --> 02:14:05.480
 muddy mess quickly so today we absolutely go at core everything much much deeper it's infinitely

02:14:05.480 --> 02:14:10.280
 cheaper to do a five or six hundred dollar test hole up front and not have to come back and

02:14:10.280 --> 02:14:15.240
 completely reconstruct the road later actually i'll take another example it kind of comes under this

02:14:15.240 --> 02:14:22.440
 heading montecito i understand that well okay citizen perception there's an underground spring

02:14:22.440 --> 02:14:26.120
 that like if people have been around for a long time they would have known that

02:14:26.120 --> 02:14:32.120
 the new road is already cracking i haven't gone look at it myself but does that sound familiar to

02:14:32.120 --> 02:14:37.560
 you and is that another example of not having there was another one that was that kind of predates the

02:14:37.560 --> 02:14:41.880
 current staff so i don't know what measures they took when they started the reconstruction pathway

02:14:41.880 --> 02:14:47.400
 yeah uh i know it through a bunch of little months here a bunch of my neighbors for a curve when

02:14:47.400 --> 02:14:54.120
 when we came out and topped it again here this last summer like we're just out here three years

02:14:54.120 --> 02:14:59.400
 ago what are you gonna get all right that's that ongoing maintenance of asphalt roadways some of

02:14:59.400 --> 02:15:06.280
 that happens the pavement dries out we do have a lot of swimming pools in that neighborhood as well

02:15:06.280 --> 02:15:13.080
 that we're not exactly sure how they drain so i do know there are some other factors at play in that

02:15:13.080 --> 02:15:19.320
 area i don't doubt that there's some springs and some other things in the area but what we would do

02:15:19.320 --> 02:15:24.360
 today reconstructing that roadway is what i just described would it be doing test holes try to

02:15:24.360 --> 02:15:29.800
 identify where groundwater is so we can come at that and have better ways of feeling about that

02:15:29.800 --> 02:15:38.120
 you can add emerson to that list of um streaks that have no no no that have underground springs

02:15:38.120 --> 02:15:45.400
 because that's really really up and down i don't know if that has been proven or not but that's

02:15:45.400 --> 02:15:50.440
 what's it well and that's exactly why we do those very deep test holes to start identifying all the

02:15:50.440 --> 02:15:56.040
 materials that make up the soil column as well as any groundwater that may be pervasive in the area

02:15:57.560 --> 02:16:04.600
 so so adding to the matrix of a number of streets that you want us to get ports on or i mean i just

02:16:04.600 --> 02:16:09.960
 don't want us to get too far out of posting well do you think there's more to say on that or if we

02:16:09.960 --> 02:16:14.680
 just addressed the question you know like that whether it's anything you want to take a closer

02:16:14.680 --> 02:16:20.360
 look at come back or i feel like we've addressed it but we'd go out saying our practice is not to do

02:16:20.360 --> 02:16:24.920
 it is totally changed from what it would have been before we got here and that we go out to test

02:16:25.960 --> 02:16:32.440
 deeper and more frequently than what was done in the past so i think we've addressed that

02:16:32.440 --> 02:16:38.200
 time will tell on that but the practices you're seeing across the stage people are recognizing

02:16:38.200 --> 02:16:44.520
 that if i do significant amount of geotech work up front which we do then i resolve a lot of those

02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:49.960
 issues actually i'll give you just take one more uh swing at this another version of the comment

02:16:51.000 --> 02:16:58.200
 that i hear is our local roads don't seem to when they're really done don't seem to last as long as

02:16:58.200 --> 02:17:04.600
 the state ones when we could go to their specs that might be something we need to talk about

02:17:04.600 --> 02:17:10.760
 on like that that sounds like a bigger conversation so maybe we should just have a

02:17:10.760 --> 02:17:14.680
 we could just add to the matrix we'll just okay the city standard versus state

02:17:14.680 --> 02:17:20.840
 state design standards so city city standards versus things that i would i imagine it would be

02:17:20.840 --> 02:17:27.080
 different but be an interesting discussion sure right appreciate that uh anything else for the

02:17:27.080 --> 02:17:32.680
 matrix uh for the matrix but we've got street and one of those street closer report on that

02:17:32.680 --> 02:17:39.000
 yeah i was just going to say you could take 11 off because we talked about that today

02:17:39.000 --> 02:17:43.640
 unless just if you guys could give us a brief update after the meeting with the

02:17:44.840 --> 02:17:53.160
 and that's pretty much we close it all out okay so let's move on to g2

02:17:53.160 --> 02:18:07.880
 any questions this this is just yeah this is just a minor one

02:18:10.280 --> 02:18:17.480
 unless it got changed yesterday afternoon the signs for the detour for forest bridge

02:18:17.480 --> 02:18:23.960
 still show that northbound is closed through november 10th so we just need to update the

02:18:23.960 --> 02:18:30.600
 date on those signs that people yeah we got that we heard that from a couple of folks we'll make

02:18:30.600 --> 02:18:35.240
 sure that we're doing a better job of policing those when changes happen in the field make sure

02:18:35.240 --> 02:18:43.720
 that they get adjusted and on that safe note um the closure of winter and ankle as well because

02:18:43.720 --> 02:18:50.280
 i know that there's so that's gonna ask a little bit so any update there so

02:18:50.280 --> 02:18:57.880
 yeah we have it on the pia we have it on the website but the i'll send that information out

02:18:57.880 --> 02:19:04.680
 we have a flyer that defines when from where to where and when to when right no i saw that

02:19:05.640 --> 02:19:11.320
 it's just that there it was supposed to be closed and it was not closed yet correct the issue was

02:19:11.320 --> 02:19:18.840
 we're trying to uh and i think we talked to councilor melter about that due to whether they

02:19:18.840 --> 02:19:27.080
 were not able to pay the detour route and that's why i kept on postponing with rains last week

02:19:27.080 --> 02:19:35.960
 and then postponed so we were not we were holding the contractor up because we wanted to close it

02:19:35.960 --> 02:19:42.040
 after the detour was paid in so there were payment missing between the head lead all the way to the

02:19:42.040 --> 02:19:47.560
 south connection right now to the good samaritan so all of that pavement was supposed to be placed

02:19:47.560 --> 02:19:53.000
 before the they closed with that's why there were some delays they couldn't pay it because it was

02:19:53.000 --> 02:19:59.480
 too wet to uh the conditions were pretty harsh last week and it dried out later on and then they

02:19:59.480 --> 02:20:04.920
 will be able to pay that now it's pretty closed maybe the impression impression that the windsor

02:20:04.920 --> 02:20:11.880
 part of that equation was sort of not very movable because it's a drainage issue so what happens now

02:20:11.880 --> 02:20:19.720
 that we've moved it so we've the the date has been shifted it's the it's just that the detour still

02:20:19.720 --> 02:20:23.400
 continues going south through the neighborhood well i understand the detour part i'm just saying

02:20:23.400 --> 02:20:29.720
 i thought there was like uh kind of urgent time pressure on doing the winter closing we were

02:20:29.720 --> 02:20:34.040
 trying to get all that in before the weather took effect and now we're going to be battling the

02:20:34.040 --> 02:20:39.960
 weather while we're doing it we were doing our best to try to take advantage of the last kind of

02:20:39.960 --> 02:20:45.000
 good weather we had but it's the last piece of that drainage we got to get in to be able to really

02:20:45.000 --> 02:20:52.600
 fully pave everything so it's it's got to get that in just to make all this work okay so we're trying

02:20:52.600 --> 02:20:57.960
 it's still urgent to us pretty it is still urgent and but we're still battling the weather yeah

02:20:57.960 --> 02:21:01.080
 okay anything else on street closure report

02:21:09.320 --> 02:21:17.560
 okay um concluding items anybody anything in that case uh i'm on the list yeah but i'll uh

02:21:17.560 --> 02:21:26.360
 close the meeting then at 11 21 according to the computer thanks everyone