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 >> Good morning and welcome to this meeting of the Mobility Committee in the city of Denton.

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 It's 9 AM, we have a quorum present, so dive into the agenda.

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 Items for individual consideration, item A is consider approval of the meeting minutes of October 8th.

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 >> All in favor?

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 >> Aye. >> All in favor?

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 >> Aye. >> All right, minutes are approved.

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 Item B, receive an updated report and hold the discussion regarding the North Central Texas Council of Governments Policy Bundle Program.

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 >> Good morning everybody.

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 I'm Haley Salazar and I'm with the Traffic Engineering Department at the City of Denton, and, let's see.

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 >> If you could have a view.

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 >> View.

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 Thank you.

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 So I'm here today for the purpose of providing an update to our policy bundle initiatives.

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 So just some background on what the policy bundle is.

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 It's a list of policies that we can adopt.

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 So it is voluntary, and the intent is it's part of Mobility 2045.

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 And these are, like I said, they're voluntary policies, but

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 they're strategic initiatives we can adopt that are complementary to the actual build out of infrastructure.

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 And if we adopt half or more of these, we receive an offset of funds.

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 So these funds are not cash in hand, they are called TDCs, or Transportation Development Credits, and a credit is $1 million.

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 We found in August that we satisfied 15 of the 20 initiatives, so we received 0.75 credits,

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 or $750,000 to use towards qualifying projects.

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 Just a note on the TDCs, it's population based in terms of the size of the award.

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 So had we have satisfied all 20 or just 10, it still would have been $750,000.

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 So here are some of the initiatives that we satisfied that earned us the credits.

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 So we've got clean fleet, niling restrictions in our air quality, storm water management, safe access to schools, and so on.

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 So these are ones that we were already doing as a city.

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 But being proactive, we wanted to take a look at the initiatives that we did not achieve to qualify for these credits.

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 And we took a look at these initiatives, and wrong way driving and taking actions to reduce wrong way driving stood out as the most pertinent to move forward and investigate.

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 And that's because we have a lot of corridors along I-35, Loop 288, and then streets within the city of Denton where we've got one way streets.

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 And while wrong way driving only makes up, the crashes only make up less than 10% of all crashes, it's got the highest fatality rate out of all crashes.

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 So we wanted to take this seriously and dive in and see what we could do here in Denton.

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 And so what we're going to need to do is work with the COG staff and RTC to implement the strategies.

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 We want to work with them because they've already implemented in 2014 strategies in Dallas County as a phase one.

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 And then phase two, they implemented strategies in Tarrant County.

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 And during that time, Carrollton as part of Denton County and part of Collin Counties also adopted some of these strategies to move forward and reduce wrong way driving.

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 In their area.

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 So this is a safety program and the type will be joint staff coordination.

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 And what that means is we're going to want to look at our corridors first.

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 And so that's a partnership with TxDOT.

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 So the next steps, we're going to locate all of our one way roads.

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 And luckily, we have a very up to date GIS system.

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 So it'll be a quick poll of all of the one way streets in GIS.

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 And we're going to take those and look at our existing crash data and wrong way driving data statistics.

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 And if necessary, we'll take that and do some studies to provide any supplementary information we need to go ahead and make recommendations to the group.

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 And that's it.

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 >> Councilman Briggs.

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 >> No, just a comment because I'm glad to see the transit and I know that we have transit in there already and air quality.

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 But since we have someone from DCTA, I just want to go ahead and say that those things are very important for

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 us here in the city and that the more cars that we can reduce in our city and

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 the more transit and buses we can add, the better it will be.

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 >> So we can definitely look at strategies that align with that, as well.

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 >> So I live on West Oak Street, which is one way, paired with Hickory.

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 And even within the last week, I had to hunk somebody down who was bearing directly at me.

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 And with the number of one-way streets we have, I'm sure we'll benefit from any attention on this issue.

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 But I wonder if you wouldn't mind going back to the list of the other NCT cog ideas.

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 >> Sure. >> Two slides back.

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 >> The ones we did or did not?

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 >> Have not yet done.

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 >> And again, I totally understand that these are essentially just ideas for us.

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 But they're considered ideas, and I'm happy if we can derive a useful inspiration from them.

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 I note that a couple of them, three of them might dovetail well with the sustainability plan.

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 And I wonder what your thoughts are.

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 I mean, have you looked at these and said, wrong way driving, let's do that next?

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 Or wrong way driving, that's it.

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 Or do you think there's some opportunity on the others as well, and particularly the first three?

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 >> So based on previous discussions that we've had on this particular item,

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 our goal is to move slowly forward, taking one piece at a time.

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 So definitely we won't be overlooking or we won't be stopping at the wrong way driving.

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 We'll move forward and then slowly, I think the roadways part,

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 I can totally see that being part of our mobility plan, moving short.

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 That we recommend to bleed street cross-sections for all our street arterial roadway systems.

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 And then sustainability, definitely we are moving forward.

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 And that dovetails into our mobility plan, yes.

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 So our ultimate goal is to have all of these somehow getting as close as we can.

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 And understanding that some of them may not be achievable, just getting diving deeper into that.

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 But we'll try and hit all of them as much as we can, one at a time.

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 >> Before I close, Council Member Briggs, I just suggest that you share those first three,

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 whatever we have on them with the folks who are working on the sustainability plan.

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 I mean, as we're working on the sustainability plan, I mentioned mobility.

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 I think this was just absolutely a attempt at what's a quick plan immediately.

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 And should definitely not something that we're not putting on the back burner.

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 It's just what can we do immediately, very quickly.

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 And then these other initiatives, we start working with our partners to make sure that happens.

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 So all of that is being incorporated into our mobility.

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 >> And to not only just sort of glance right over that, yay, congratulations.

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 >> All right, then, we're done with that, thank you so much.

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 >> Well, welcome and congratulations on your first presentation of mobility.

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 >> All right, we'll move on to item C, receive a report, hold a discussion

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 and give staff input regarding the city bike share program,

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 >> Good morning, Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator for the City.

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 Today, I'm going to give an update about the bike share program,

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 just a little background about it and what's going on with it currently.

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 and it was a pilot program at first but was approved permanently in May of 2019.

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 and they are working both with the city and with UNT, so we have a fleet

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 of up to 500 bicycles permitted in the city, 100 within the general city limits,

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 and 400 on UNT, and Veyoride has a direct agreement with UNT as well,

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 which from my perspective is really a wonderful thing.

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 which we'll talk about a little bit, but overall, this is really a wonderful thing.

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 to the incoming freshman class, I don't know what they call it, not indoctrination,

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 but something like that, where they come in and they teach them all about college life,

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 got them signed up for the app and so forth, so that's a wonderful thing.

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 that was Sonia Vasquez, I think some of us are familiar with, she did a really great job,

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 this was brought up at the October Committee on Persons with Disabilities meeting

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 and we had our local representative come and address the committee,

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 talk about some of this, I think it was good on both ends for the committee to learn

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 about what exactly is bike share, but also for him to see that if a right of way,

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 if a sidewalk or something is blocked, that can be a major hindrance

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 for someone using mobility device or something like that.

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 So, I think it helped to underline, to make that contact.

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 Some other things coming up, here at the bottom, so there's both a general

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 like 24-hour Vail Ride contact, but then we also, our local contact,

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 Tim Courtney, is absolutely available and hears his, you know, direct contact information.

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 When we hear from people, we don't send them to Vail Ride.

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 I received the complaint and communicated directly to them.

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 >> Council Member Rich, do you have a question?

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 >> Yeah. So, Tim Courtney, does he live in Denton?

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 >> Yep.

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 >> Okay. And so, when he receives the complaint,

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 he specifically goes and moves the bike?

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 >> Well, he's the lead, but they have several other rebalancers,

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 I guess fleet rebalancers.

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 So, it would depend who's on duty at that time or who's closest to that location.

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 They use both people on foot or on bikes to move bikes and then they have like a van,

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 it's like a Ford Transit van that they move around with.

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 My feedback would just be that I'm really glad that the bikes are being used.

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 I think it's fantastic that ridership is up, but I also think that we have an ordinance

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 and a place so that we can hold up our end of the bargain to make sure

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 that the bikes stay out of the right way.

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 And so, I just, I want to make sure that if they aren't doing their job,

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 that we are still enforcing it and we're doing ours.

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 That would just be my only comment.

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 I think these bikes are really great to have in the city.

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 But I also saw three of them yesterday on sidewalks blocking them.

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 So, and that was just yesterday.

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 So, I would like to make sure that we're doing our 24 hours,

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 that we are making them stay true to what they said they would do.

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 And that if, I remember during the conversation there was something about geo-fencing.

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 So, if the bike isn't in a correct location, is the rider still being charged?

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 Is that part of what's going on or was that part of the conversation on geo-fencing?

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 >> I know geo-fencing is part of it.

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 I don't know specifically about whether they're still charged.

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 I thought the bike started making a noise when they went out of the service area.

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 So, I don't know if it's, if it is a parking thing.

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 >> Yeah, if we could just find out more about that.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> Because that was my understanding was that if the bike wasn't in a correct location,

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 then it wouldn't take off or something like that.

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 So, I could be wrong.

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 >> A couple things I will add also.

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 This Thursday, we are having a meeting with the regional Bay of Rides managers

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 out of Austin, I believe, myself, and UNT to talk about some of these issues

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 since we're having such higher ridership.

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 What they were doing last year isn't going to cut it for this year.

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 And make sure that we are communicating that need.

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 And I will communicate that to him as well.

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 I have seen they're working on an educational video.

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 About correct parking.

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 I've seen a version of that.

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 Also, their app, they are adding a feature for employees to be able

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 to report violations directly in the app.

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 And communicate directly to the last person who parked it.

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 Yeah, so those are upcoming efforts with Bay of Rides.

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 >> That's seven out of seven.

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 Let's wait until the next page.

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 Usually there's one that says questions.

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 [ Laughter ]

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 That issue is the key issue is making sure to keep them off the sidewalks.

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 I imagine you saw the social media post the other day

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 that on Hector Street where three mysteriously appeared in front of,

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 not that a seven-year-old person couldn't ride, but the constituents

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 in that age group, three bikes appeared on our sidewalk at night, mysteriously.

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 They were gone the next day.

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 No one knows why they were there.

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 But, yeah, I'm sure that's what we're going to do.

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 Thank you.

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 Ready?

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 >> Yeah, I'm good.

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 >> Yeah, okay.

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 Let's move on to item D, receiver report and hold the discussion

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 about the updates from the Devin County Transportation Authority.

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 >> Good morning.

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 >> attorney champion.

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 >> Freezing cold morning.

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 I'm Nicole Rucker.

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 I'm the vice president of marketing and administration at DCTA.

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 And I'm going to provide some updates.

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 I will, in full transparency, say that as we get toward the holidays,

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 things slow down just a little bit.

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 So I will not have as many updates as I normally do.

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 But I did just receive word.

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 And Troy, if I mess this up, speak up.

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 But yesterday we opened up some ADA infrastructure on McKinney East

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 of Woodrow right in front of the fountains and the veranda.

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 So I know that that had been a topic of conversation in the past.

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 There are a lot of individuals that live there that need ADA requirements.

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 And that infrastructure was not in place, but as of yesterday it is now.

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 So hopefully we'll see improved ridership there as well as fewer complaints coming

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 from those individuals that needed access to a service.

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 So our big focus right now are really service changes.

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 We typically do service changes twice a year.

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 We, right now, are kind of looking at a phased approach.

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 So the first area that we're really looking at are the Denton Connect routes

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 on Bonnie Bray in conjunction with the construction completion.

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 So I know that construction is slated for completion at the end of January.

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 So we are doing what we need to do right now to kind of revert back to an old iteration

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 of service that was really successful but that we had to move because of the construction.

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 So we are preparing internally for what that iteration looks like and how we're going

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 to communicate it so that as soon as we get the green light from the city

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 that the construction is complete and that we can automatically communicate with customers

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 that service has now been rerouted back to Bonnie Bray.

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 So we just want to be cognizant of any timelines, any construction timelines and make sure

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 that we're not out there saying we're going to revert service on this day simply because we know

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 that with weather and some of the unknowns that we need

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 to be a little bit flexible with that communication.

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 So what route is that on Bonnie Bray?

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 >> Impacts Route 7 and also Discovery Park for UNT.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> So will it go through the roundabout?

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 I had the impression that that bus is going to be able to make it through that.

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 >> No, our hope is that they can.

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 We're going to find out today.

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 They've got some temporary lanes open.

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 >> We're talking about Bonnie Bray and Scripture.

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 It was designed for buses, for fire trucks, for waste.

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 They can make it through.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> It's just we had asked DCTA not to go through while we were during construction

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 until we had it open in all directions.

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 >> Sure. What is contemplated as far as providing service to the new development

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 in Razor Ranch realizing that it's not there now, it's partly there, but it's supposed to be.

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 >> I feel like Troy needs a chair.

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 For those of you who have not heard of Troy Rowley, he's our Vice President of Bus --

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 I just gave you a promotion.

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 >> Hey.

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 >> Director of Bus Operations and Maintenance.

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 So he is the one that knows those routes inside and out, knows every single stop.

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 And so I defer to the subject matter expert.

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 >> Well, thank you.

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 What we need on the Razor Ranch development -- right now it's all privately held.

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 It needs to be public.

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 The streets need to be in front of the city before we can actually drive on them.

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 >> Sure.

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 >> So once that takes place, then we can start planning

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 on putting some sort of service in that area.

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 Currently we don't service the north side because Wal-Mart does not want us on their property.

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 Because it's the damage to the lot, I think, is our concern and the traffic.

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 So we stay on university.

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 Now on the Razor on the south side, we can put service in there,

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 but we really need it to be a public street.

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 >> It would need to be public to plan it, right?

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 I mean, you must be thinking about it.

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 >> Yeah, we're thinking about it.

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 We have plans.

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 >> Oh, okay.

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 But we really have to have -- we have to have some infrastructure put on there,

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 traffic lights, and also it has to be a public street.

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 >> It's my understanding that we had that conversation a while ago

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 and there are some public streets on there already, that there were still some that weren't,

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 but there's some that have.

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 >> In the Razor Ranch development?

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> So Heritage Trail, it's a public roadway.

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 Portions of it just have not been constructed or accepted.

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 And then when the, for example, portion of the scripture,

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 the culture of the interstate have been constructed.

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 And then there are the connections between the body and brain have not been constructed.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> This one, friends, is the beauty of having this committee to make these connections.

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 >> What you have to understand is we need heritage to run all the way through.

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 >> We completely understand that they are constructing that.

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 >> And they have also, so the construction of Heritage Trail right now,

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 there's about 300 or 400 feet where construction was not performed.

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 Well, they actually had to make it out twice as it was developed in early cracking.

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 So we're going through a period right now where they're correcting that before we can even open

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 that piece up and then just to the south of that, punching it all the way through scripture,

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 that's still the New York First Amendment to do, and he has not completed that yet.

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 >> So would you mind sharing what your, you know, preliminary thoughts are

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 about once the roads actually are functioning and the gear is in place,

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 but you know, how you might wrap through it?

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 >> Well, right now, actually, we have someone, a consultant that's looking at all that.

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 So it'd be premature to say that obviously we need to put some sort of transfer point

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 in there because we have several things that connect in that area.

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 And it'd be ideal to serve it because we all, you know, there's a lot of service type jobs

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 in that area that do use our service.

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 We realize the need that's there.

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 So we just have to look at it and see how we can get a 30,

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 35 foot bus in and out of there and with traffic patterns.

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 >> And we do meet routinely with the city to make sure that we're up to date

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 on construction that's happening so that we know when we're getting closer to the point

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 where we can pull the trigger on saying, "Here are some proposed options."

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 So we kind of coordinate our service modeling in conjunction with our work with the city.

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 >> And there's a signal plan for university and heritage trail.

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 We're still waiting on the final approval from TxDOT at the moment.

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 >> I think it's under, it's under design.

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 >> Is that okay?

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 >> I just, all right.

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 >> So, and we were going through that process of getting them

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 to actually warrant a signal before it was deemed warranted based

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 on proposed volumes of text.

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 That doesn't like to do, but they, somehow they get talked into by our, which is awesome.

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 And then I'll have to get with you guys on what traffic control is actually planned

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 for scripture and the other end of the area.

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 >> Heritage trail and scripture, yeah.

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 [ Inaudible ]

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 >> But I would say that Razor Ranch is very high on our,

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 on our list of areas that need to be served.

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 It's a weekly conversation, at least in the conversations I'm in.

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 So, you know, we are very well aware that there's a need, not only for those needing employment,

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 but also just for those who want to get around and shop or go grocery shopping

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 or, so it's an indefinite area of focus for us.

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 >> That's where the land is in question.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> You mentioned, I thought I heard you say you weren't going to move service back

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 on the body break until after the first of the year.

437
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 >> Once the construction is complete, because the city has asked for us

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 to not operate the bus until that construction is 100%.

439
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 >> And my understanding was when we had the temporary road is what we didn't want.

440
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 But now that the roundabout is open, it's open in all four directions.

441
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 I mean, if you need to have two lanes open to get a bus through,

442
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 then it's not properly designed.

443
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 I mean, we've got one lane going through on the roundabout.

444
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 If you're voting.

445
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 >> No, they can go through it now.

446
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,760
 We just wanted to move off of it when we were still under construction

447
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 and didn't have all lanes open in each direction.

448
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 >> So they should be able to move up back to chronic right now,

449
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 as opposed to waiting until after the first.

450
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 >> Correct.

451
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 >> So they don't have to wait until the beginning of the year, is what you're saying.

452
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 >> Right. Now that it's open in all directions.

453
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 >> Goodness.

454
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 >> Yeah, so I believe that there was a discussion that happened yesterday.

455
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 >> Early this morning, so.

456
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 >> Yeah, so I've talked to Troy and I offered that we meet, our project manager can meet them

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 and then they can drive a bus and see if there are any barrel moving

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 or any changes that they think that are needed.

459
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 Because we have enough buffer in that area that we can adjust

460
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,400
 if they think that their buses cannot make it through.

461
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,000
 And then, yes, they can start that.

462
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,680
 >> Because currently, you have an unrestricted pattern, right?

463
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:57,480
 So the issues with the temporary lanes right now, so.

464
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,640
 >> Okay, so it'd be nice to do the middle of your update.

465
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,960
 >> So you were doing that, running that test run?

466
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,280
 >> Yes.

467
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,120
 >> Okay, so it looks like we will have an update based on the test run.

468
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:16,200
 And then I can e-mail, I can e-mail Mario or Preetam can e-mail the committee

469
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,040
 and let you know what the update is.

470
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,200
 >> Great.

471
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,880
 >> See how quickly we move?

472
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,120
 >> Yeah.

473
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,400
 >> I mean, just in the last 12 hours.

474
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,040
 >> Like water.

475
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,360
 >> Yeah.

476
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,040
 >> So yeah, we paused you on that item.

477
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,600
 >> It's okay.

478
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,520
 >> Do you have some more you want to share?

479
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,480
 >> Sure, yeah, absolutely.

480
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,280
 So we do offer some on-demand service in the Denton Enterprise area.

481
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,840
 We call it the Denton Enterprise Airport Zone.

482
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,160
 We've been running that service for about a year and a half.

483
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,640
 We've been looking at, do we potentially modify the service?

484
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,040
 Or do we remove the service in totality?

485
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,400
 And the recommendation that we are taking to our board in early December

486
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,120
 is that we are going to be removing that service as a whole.

487
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,080
 We have very low ridership on that service.

488
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,560
 We've been keeping our board apprised of that issue

489
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,360
 and some of the modifications that might be made.

490
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,560
 And the final recommendation is to go ahead and just remove that service in completion.

491
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:19,080
 >> What about, like, there's Peterbilt, there's the Target Distribution Center,

492
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,520
 there's Tetra Pak, there's a lot of other places out there.

493
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,040
 Is there another bus stop or in there?

494
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:32,760
 Because it's very important that we see transportation as a basic service to get people to their jobs.

495
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,360
 >> Absolutely. So the one really unique thing about that area is that,

496
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,520
 because it is very well defined,

497
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,800
 we have great working relationships with all of the businesses in that area.

498
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,760
 And so we have been, myself included, multiple times to those businesses to say,

499
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,080
 how can we best offer transportation services?

500
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,280
 What are your employees needing from transportation services?

501
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,280
 A lot of those organizations out there provide their own transportation service.

502
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:05,800
 So whether it's a van or, most of them are like a 10 to like a 15 person passenger van.

503
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:12,680
 And so the consensus has been that they don't need the transportation in that area.

504
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,920
 We currently have three people using the service.

505
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,400
 And they're using it consistently.

506
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,200
 And so we are working with those three individuals

507
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,040
 to come up with another modification for them,

508
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,920
 in order for them to still use transit to get to work.

509
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,400
 But we're running a fairly expensive service for three individuals.

510
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,480
 It's not the best use of funding.

511
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,400
 And we feel like we're confident that there are other ways that we can get those individuals to work.

512
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,160
 I will continue to reach out to those businesses and maintain those relationships.

513
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,680
 And should something change?

514
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,840
 I mean, the whole reason that we were able to launch this pilot service

515
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,920
 was because there was interest from businesses.

516
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,040
 And so we're pretty responsive as far as if there's a big group of people

517
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,920
 that need to use transit to get out there.

518
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,640
 We're willing to be flexible and nimble to kind of put service out there.

519
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,000
 But thus far, it has not been as successful as what we had anticipated.

520
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,480
 So are you confident that it will be around the same price?

521
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,160
 You said you're confident you can find other services for them to get them to work.

522
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,680
 We believe that to move those three people is going to be significantly cheaper.

523
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,960
 So we've got some great partnerships with Lyft,

524
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,280
 where we can actually subsidize a Lyft trip for someone.

525
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,160
 And so rather than us doing that first loss mile connection,

526
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,600
 Lyft can provide that service.

527
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,800
 And it is significantly less expensive.

528
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,560
 And maybe that's another kind of tool in our tool belt that we utilize to determine

529
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,320
 what gets people to and from where they need to go in that specific area.

530
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,000
 Versus us putting an operator in a bus out there to rent service that's not being utilized.

531
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,080
 But I will continue those relationships.

532
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,840
 We'll continue those conversations.

533
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:09,800
 And again, if there's a need, we really do our best to be as responsive as we possibly can.

534
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,160
 And certainly, if any of you hear of anything from any of those businesses out in that area,

535
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,960
 please let me know.

536
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,520
 Because I always try to stay as engaged as possible with them.

537
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,080
 Because we like to be offering more service out there.

538
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,160
 But we need folks to utilize it.

539
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,880
 So that recommendation will be going to our board next month.

540
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:35,000
 The plan is to kind of pull that service in early February.

541
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,800
 Obviously, making sure that those who do currently use that system are taken care of

542
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,320
 and have a plan that it does not interrupt how they are getting to and from where they need to go.

543
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:52,600
 And then the last kind of service change that we are looking at, and I mentioned last month,

544
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,240
 is through our transformation initiative.

545
00:35:55,240 --> 00:36:00,920
 And so we are coordinating with some external vendors to kind of look at

546
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,920
 our entire service area as a whole.

547
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,000
 And looking at it almost like from scratch.

548
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,520
 So not looking at our existing service, but really more looking at the landscape of our service area.

549
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,000
 And what type of service offerings would be the most beneficial to provide.

550
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,280
 One that would get folks where they need to go.

551
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,640
 But also would show an increase in ridership.

552
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,200
 And so we are pretty excited about that.

553
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:29,400
 We are looking to bring a consultant, a recommendation for a consultant to our board.

554
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:36,680
 My hope is in the first quarter of 2020, originally we were slated for January.

555
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,560
 But we were having some conversations with our three member cities about that scope of work.

556
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,720
 And so making some modifications, and so it may be pushed to February

557
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,200
 that we would be bringing that consultant to our board for approval.

558
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,680
 But then that conversation is really going to help inform

559
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,960
 topics that we talk a lot about here.

560
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,320
 So like our service standards.

561
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,920
 So what warrants a bench at a bus stop?

562
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,000
 What warrants a shelter at a bus stop?

563
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,000
 What do we do with all of the existing bus stop amenities that we have

564
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,440
 or that currently aren't being used?

565
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,600
 How do we utilize those to the best of our ability to provide those amenities to our riders?

566
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,880
 So we're really excited about this project.

567
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,240
 Because we think that it will kind of revolutionize not only the service that we provide.

568
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:24,200
 But also kind of the standards at which we provide that service.

569
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,520
 So we're very excited about that.

570
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,800
 And then just an update that yesterday we did kick off

571
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,960
 the inclement weather shuttle that we operate in conjunction with the city of Denton.

572
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,720
 And so anytime the temperature either goes above a certain degree or below a certain degree,

573
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:47,880
 we work very closely with the city to implement shuttles to get individuals to shelters.

574
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,960
 And so we communicate that out to not only the Denton social service agencies,

575
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,160
 but also the Louisville social service agencies.

576
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,920
 Because the capacity is so limited in Louisville that a lot of times they

577
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,880
 send their folks northbound to Denton since Denton has more beds available.

578
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,000
 And so we did launch that inclement shuttle last night and then obviously this morning

579
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,920
 to get people back to where they need.

580
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,880
 But we're working very closely with the city because we have some cold nights coming

581
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,040
 that we want to make sure that we're providing that human service

582
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,400
 as well and making sure that people are staying warm.

583
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,680
 How did it go?

584
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,000
 Did people find their way to the buses?

585
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,960
 They typically do.

586
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,080
 I mean this is I think the fourth time that we've launched the shuttle.

587
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,280
 We have a really good network of communication that as soon as the city says yes we need it,

588
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:42,040
 that we work with Monsignor King and Serve Denton and Salvation Army

589
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,560
 to determine kind of openings available.

590
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,440
 And then we send that out to all the social service agencies

591
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,600
 and then they communicate to their folks.

592
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,480
 I don't know if we have any ridership numbers.

593
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,120
 Do you have any?

594
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:54,840
 I don't have any.

595
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,040
 You don't want some of this?

596
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:56,540
 Okay.

597
00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:58,920
 But we can, I can follow up.

598
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,460
 Sure.

599
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,840
 We'll be running the services again tonight.

600
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,280
 Thank you.

601
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,320
 Yeah, so we'll follow up with ridership just to let you know.

602
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,720
 So that's been a pretty successful partnership.

603
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:15,960
 It's been so successful that we're actually looking at doing it

604
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,400
 with the city of Louisville as well.

605
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:23,320
 So it's kind of served as a model for this type of service.

606
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,720
 And then just the fun news.

607
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:30,040
 Denton Holiday Lighting is coming up in Wasslefest.

608
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,320
 So December 6th and we're providing free service

609
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,360
 with the code word either Holiday Express

610
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,760
 or Denton County Friends of the Family Holiday Express

611
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,280
 or any variation thereof.

612
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,920
 So just trying to get people.

613
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,520
 It's a really big weekend in Denton.

614
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,440
 So you have the Holiday Lighting, you have Wasslefest

615
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,400
 and then the following day on the 7th you have the Holiday Express event

616
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,680
 that we partner with the Denton County Friends of the Family on.

617
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,520
 And so just really encouraging folks to use transit.

618
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,160
 We had banner numbers last year for the Holiday Lighting,

619
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,440
 encouraging people to park at our Med Park station,

620
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,040
 use the train to get in.

621
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,040
 So we're really hoping for a repeat this year.

622
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,800
 So we're working very closely with the committee for that event

623
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:17,160
 to just get people into downtown and use transit to get there.

624
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,800
 I hear there may even be an ice skating rink this year.

625
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,080
 Oh, well that's exciting.

626
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,120
 Hopefully it's not actually at the streets.

627
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,360
 Yeah, so that concludes my report.

628
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,120
 If there are any questions or topics I can get some answers for

629
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,320
 and give back to the committee.

630
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,280
 I'm happy to do so.

631
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:42,520
 Yeah, I just have a question because we're talking about all the growth out west with Hillwood.

632
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,800
 That's exactly what I was going to ask.

633
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,240
 Yeah, and Alliance.

634
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:50,920
 I mean, are we talking about the consultant and planning?

635
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,440
 Is that on your radar?

636
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,480
 I mean, because we have an opportunity now to start planning that

637
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,240
 so we're not doing it after the fact.

638
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,440
 Yes, so we've actually been working with the Alliance area

639
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,120
 for probably the last two years.

640
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,640
 We offered a service out there last year.

641
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:11,160
 The issue with Alliance is that we have a reciprocal agreement

642
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,880
 with our regional transit partners

643
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,920
 and one half of Alliance is Tarrant County

644
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,920
 and one half of Alliance is Denton County.

645
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:24,760
 And so it makes it really difficult to provide service to the entire area

646
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,080
 because Trinity Metro provides the service that's for the Tarrant County portion.

647
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:35,560
 So currently, we were joint partners in providing a service out there last year.

648
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
 It was well used, but it was very expensive.

649
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,000
 And so Trinity Metro took over the partnership

650
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,520
 and offers what they call zip zone service.

651
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,800
 It's through Lyft and they leverage our interlocal agreement with Lyft

652
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,240
 to provide that service and it provides that first class mile connection

653
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,720
 and connects people to North Texas Express,

654
00:41:55,720 --> 00:42:01,720
 which is a partnership bus service that runs from Denton to downtown Fort Worth

655
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,640
 that we partner with Trinity Metro on.

656
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,480
 So we are currently serving that area,

657
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,240
 but the actual service that's kind of happening in the zone

658
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,560
 where all of those businesses are located

659
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,760
 is managed by Trinity Metro through their zip zone service.

660
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,200
 But Alliance is the topic.

661
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,720
 Another topic is the coal hunter ranch development

662
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:28,760
 that we're going to be asked to deal with in the coming months.

663
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,360
 And I'm curious if you've had preliminary conversations

664
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,120
 with the Hillwood people if there's any thoughts

665
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,320
 about how to integrate public transportation in that whole thing.

666
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,880
 It's going to add close to 40% to our population if it goes according to plan.

667
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,960
 It'll be about the size of Denton.

668
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:44,460
 Okay.

669
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:47,720
 We have a representative from Hillwood on our board.

670
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:54,120
 So let me circle back because I have not been

671
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,880
 in any of those meetings or discussions,

672
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,640
 but that does not mean that they're not happening.

673
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,040
 I am sure that our planning folks are very...

674
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,880
 I know they meet with Hillwood regularly,

675
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,360
 but I don't have any details to share.

676
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,760
 But let me follow up and find out what's going on

677
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,880
 and I'll include that in my recap that I sent to the group for sure.

678
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:17,560
 Thank you so much for coming and filling us in.

679
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,520
 Absolutely. And if there are any topics that this group would like to discuss moving forward,

680
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,960
 feel free to let Becky know or she can contact me

681
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,800
 and let me know what you guys want to talk about.

682
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,440
 Or if you want an actual physical presentation of anything,

683
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,120
 we're happy to customize whatever you need.

684
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,920
 Happy forward comments if you want to follow them through me as well.

685
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,680
 Thanks.

686
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,000
 Thank you.

687
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,320
 Let's move on to item E, receiver of work.

688
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,640
 And hold the discussion regarding TxDOT on system projects in the Denton area.

689
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,440
 $2.4 billion, every way in and out of Denton.

690
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,200
 Under construction.

691
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,680
 There you go.

692
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,040
 It's frustrating when you get...

693
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,200
 When I get caught in traffic and I know there's no hope,

694
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,880
 because I hope we're all the problem.

695
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:11,880
 But the good news is there is significant improvements being made throughout the city of Denton.

696
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,800
 $2.3 billion, sorry I overstated it.

697
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,640
 $2.2 billion.

698
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,600
 Well, $2.8 billion.

699
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,240
 $2.8 billion.

700
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:21,800
 You always go up with these numbers, unless you're having to pay for it and go down.

701
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,280
 All right, so first off, like I said,

702
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,440
 we send these reports out about two weeks in advance coming here today.

703
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,320
 So the NOVA...

704
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,520
 Did I do that?

705
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,020
 What?

706
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:37,480
 That happens to me too.

707
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,120
 Ghost?

708
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,000
 No, you have not.

709
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,600
 Oh yeah, that was happening to me the other day.

710
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,100
 Yep.

711
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,120
 So.

712
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:47,800
 It's not an actual like pre-Tem program that happens.

713
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:56,520
 The November 11th start date is actually now November 25th.

714
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,240
 We had another conversation with them and they said it would not be the 11th.

715
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:02,920
 It was yesterday.

716
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,040
 It'll be the 25th.

717
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,400
 So when we resubmit the report, we'll update that.

718
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,280
 But Zachary's on.

719
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:17,240
 And we'll update the full schedule once we get a better schedule from Zachary on what

720
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:18,040
 their timing is.

721
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:23,560
 They were awarded back full 500 plus days of the original contract.

722
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,560
 So we're starting from scratch.

723
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,560
 550 working days assumes how many days a week?

724
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:35,400
 This is a six day contract, six days a week contract.

725
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:43,240
 But it also, it's 588 without, that's one of the negotiations we have without weather

726
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:43,720
 delays.

727
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:43,880
 So.

728
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,520
 Okay.

729
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,160
 Do the math.

730
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,120
 I don't know.

731
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,120
 Just wait a couple of years.

732
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,240
 Yeah, at least.

733
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:56,920
 So what I normally do is when they give us the schedule, they tell us how long they're

734
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,520
 going to be having the barricades up and that's how long they think it will take them.

735
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,320
 And we just look at that date and give it to you.

736
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,640
 That's what I'll do when I update the report when I get it.

737
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,040
 We don't have the full schedule yet.

738
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,360
 But two years-ish.

739
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,640
 Yeah.

740
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,000
 1.8 years.

741
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,640
 How many?

742
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,840
 1.8 years.

743
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,040
 Well, 2 and a half.

744
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,320
 With weather.

745
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,880
 I'm going to go with they don't get weather days.

746
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:20,520
 They don't get weather?

747
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,400
 They don't get weather days.

748
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,360
 Oh, oh, oh, okay.

749
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,480
 So you said that November 25th is the date that they're going to actually physically

750
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,080
 be out there starting to work?

751
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:35,640
 Yes, but the contract told them that their time started being charged October 12th, I

752
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,600
 think, was the date.

753
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,360
 So they're already into their time, but they won't be mobilized until the 25th,

754
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,920
 which is what they agreed to when Berkshire Hathaway executed the agreement.

755
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:53,640
 All right, and then your Fort Worth Drive project.

756
00:46:53,640 --> 00:47:01,560
 The bridge closure occurred for the railroad.

757
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,840
 My notes are over there, so I'm having to do this from memory.

758
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,200
 So we're wrong.

759
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,000
 I apologize.

760
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:15,400
 And the demo for the existing bridge will begin on the night of the 15th, and there'll

761
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:24,280
 be some closure between 18th and 25th, through 18th to 25th for this demolition project.

762
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,720
 So we'll get that too.

763
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:32,040
 I think the mobility meeting is this week for our mobility task force.

764
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,200
 Yeah, it's Thursday.

765
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,680
 And so we'll have - why are you doing that?

766
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,400
 I'm not doing anything.

767
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,920
 It just happens.

768
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,600
 So we'll have the actual - excuse me?

769
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,960
 It's when pre-tem blinks.

770
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,840
 It's a butterfly effect.

771
00:47:50,840 --> 00:48:00,920
 So we'll have the actual dates for the closure notification to the city prior to that on

772
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,480
 Thursday.

773
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,160
 So that's coming up.

774
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,920
 It might be my jacket because there's a keep over here.

775
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,960
 My apologies.

776
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,440
 I have other qualities.

777
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,800
 Presentations aren't one of them.

778
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:22,280
 Okay, so then your Mayhill project.

779
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:31,320
 This project has several parcels that we're acquiring all the way up through to 288.

780
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:39,080
 We're looking at a May 2021 let date, and we are assuming the plans will be done in

781
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,640
 December for a 95% plan.

782
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,520
 So we're on track with everything, and we're coordinating and working with the city on

783
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,040
 their utility relocation.

784
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:54,280
 So this project is fully funded and on track for a May 2021 let date.

785
00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:01,080
 Okay, so your Brinker project.

786
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,120
 Let me flip it here.

787
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:08,040
 So you're going to be having the - we had some of the southbound firms road improved

788
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:13,800
 this past weekend, and by Thanksgiving we're going to have all the traffic in their proper

789
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,520
 locations on the main lanes.

790
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:22,440
 So they're probably in a week or so we'll be moving some traffic around to pave the

791
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:28,360
 last third lane in both directions adjacent to that concrete barrier building and then

792
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,680
 substantial completion on this project.

793
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,960
 We'll be just prior to Thanksgiving, so we should see some moving coming in that area

794
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,760
 fairly quickly.

795
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,960
 I know it's painful.

796
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,080
 Do you have an update on Brinker?

797
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,800
 I mean, can somebody please tell me when that's going to open?

798
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,840
 So they're going to construction on that as soon as the AFA is executed.

799
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,760
 Our crews will be installing the signaling equipment.

800
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,760
 The OHL subcontractor has not.

801
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,000
 For a variety of reasons that TXDOT understands they have not gotten the signal equipment in,

802
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:09,000
 so we offered the option that we would go to do that just to get it open a lot quicker.

803
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,320
 The AFA had some issues that council approved.

804
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,360
 It's got the Austin actually returns the long-form version instead of the short-form version.

805
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,640
 There were some concerns about that as you will actually approve the council approved

806
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,840
 the short-form version. Concerns about the language in that the long-form version is

807
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,960
 actually coming to you today to be approved.

808
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,360
 It's just it's basically a revised document.

809
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,400
 It's the same agreement.

810
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,080
 No changes substantially.

811
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,520
 I'm not going to try to speak to that.

812
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,680
 It's just that there were commitments in there that said you had approved that document when

813
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,720
 you actually had it.

814
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:46,600
 You'd approve the short-form version.

815
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:53,240
 So if that comes through today, as soon as that's approved, then we can mobilize our contractor.

816
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,960
 You've used some initials, some A, what is that?

817
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,400
 Advanced Funding Agreement.

818
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,200
 Okay.

819
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,760
 You're being paid, the state's paying you to do the signal because it's something that

820
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,520
 they were going to pay OHL to do.

821
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:10,760
 You offered to do it instead, but you wanted to be paid for it as proper protocol.

822
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:17,400
 The concern was is that if we got going too far ahead of the Advanced Funding Agreement

823
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,560
 approved and executed by both parties, that we could potentially not get

824
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,040
 reimbursed for some of those items.

825
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,440
 So we absolutely did not want to start that work until the AFA was complete.

826
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,440
 And then we could get fully reimbursed for the work we're doing.

827
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,520
 So one question you may ask is if y'all execute that today,

828
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,760
 y'all have the ability to docusign?

829
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,040
 Is that true or not?

830
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,000
 Yes.

831
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:41,400
 Yes.

832
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,640
 So it can be fairly fast after that.

833
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:49,320
 But our traffic operations folks have already been working on getting materials

834
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,840
 on order, ready to go, and then our contractor will be ready to move as quickly as possible.

835
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,160
 Brian, I think you guys have talked to Bean about getting mobilized.

836
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,660
 Right.

837
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:03,960
 Upon approval of the AFA, they're ready to go pick up their equipment,

838
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,440
 check stop, and move into place in construction.

839
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,560
 Promise we'll do it next week.

840
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:14,760
 So and construction, what started?

841
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,960
 Because it's just insulated.

842
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,040
 Is that like a big deal or?

843
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,160
 It's not huge since it's all shut down.

844
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,240
 But there will be traffic controls that move as they move through different corners.

845
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:30,120
 Realistically, just given that the period of the year we're in,

846
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,920
 we see these cold fronts come and go.

847
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,400
 We're having some rainy conditions.

848
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,280
 We will have to set foundations and a bunch of other things.

849
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,880
 It will most likely be by the...

850
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:45,720
 I would say it's probably not going to be in and functioning and fully open until after Christmas.

851
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:48,840
 So next year?

852
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:54,600
 Yeah, but the contractor we have mobilized on this, they're efficient.

853
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,880
 Once they're engaged, they'll get through as quickly as possible.

854
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,220
 Thank you.

855
00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:07,320
 Okay, on the I-35E, W-MERGE.

856
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,520
 I'm sorry, did I get something else?

857
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:09,640
 I'll pause those.

858
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,640
 No, I've just, if you could follow up with us on why we approved a short

859
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,920
 thing instead of the long thing that later on, that would be...

860
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,840
 It was, that was absolutely what came out of the district office.

861
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:28,280
 They sent us a red line version for, and because we were trying to expedite it,

862
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,880
 we executed faster than what they're used to expecting.

863
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,400
 So we just missed the step.

864
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,440
 Sounds like it was a mistake.

865
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,920
 It was, well, it was good intentions.

866
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,520
 It's different than a mistake.

867
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,000
 Part of what happened there is there's a group in the area office,

868
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,200
 the district office in Dallas, that handles a lot of the upfront conversation

869
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,840
 with most communities on the funding piece.

870
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,440
 So they put the document together.

871
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,600
 We executed on our side, and then it had to go to Austin to get approved.

872
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,800
 When I got to Austin, they said, time out.

873
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,120
 We don't want this one, we want this one.

874
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,320
 That's when Austin was willing to go with and then kick back to us.

875
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,640
 So that's where that broke down.

876
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:18,120
 So the real deal on this one was there used to be a master agreement

877
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,680
 with local governments that TxDOT had.

878
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:26,360
 And the short form was that based on all these different things

879
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,160
 that are master agreements, here's a short version

880
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,160
 of what we're doing in this agreement.

881
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:36,200
 That was sent, and that was a different way of doing things around for the longest time.

882
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,200
 What has happened between the time that was sent to us

883
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,240
 and with this new advanced funding agreement

884
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:47,880
 is the Austin office decided that that no longer is the way to do things

885
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,880
 because there was a lot of change in the master agreement

886
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,240
 and the time we did there.

887
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:55,800
 So they're like, we're executing only moving to the advanced funding agreement

888
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:01,720
 as opposed to the LEPAFA, which was the local agency or government agreement.

889
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:05,240
 And so if you've never seen your master advanced funding agreement,

890
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:09,800
 you're fortunate because the people who had executed the first time

891
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,920
 had to have some temerity about them

892
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,120
 because it basically says you're responsible for everything the state does.

893
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,480
 And then they come back and say, but on this project, all you got to do is X.

894
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,840
 That's the short version.

895
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,760
 But the first time you execute that agreement,

896
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,720
 there's a lot of words in there that scare you.

897
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:31,720
 So after Christmas.

898
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:36,920
 Okay, your merge project.

899
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:43,080
 Again, we're in the process of acquiring the parcels on this project.

900
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:51,320
 We've got them down to 12 negotiations out of the 15 and three are an appraisal.

901
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,960
 We are looking at a ready to let of July 2021.

902
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:01,000
 The difference between the tech stock consent connect let date and ours is

903
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:08,920
 that's where they put the money when they approve the category 12 or clear lines funding.

904
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,640
 But if we can get it ready sooner than that, then they'll move it up

905
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,080
 to that current year, which is what we're shooting for.

906
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,400
 And this is from the wishbone up to 380.

907
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,600
 Then on the next project, I told you, I apologize.

908
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,080
 I I've been asked this thing.

909
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,000
 I just don't remember this.

910
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:33,800
 Is this project or is it the one that goes from 380 North that will take care of the

911
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,000
 congestion on the exit ramp onto university?

912
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:37,240
 Right.

913
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:40,360
 It's this one and this next section.

914
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,120
 So you'll see that we broke it up.

915
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,320
 We broke it out to say for North segment is segment one,

916
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:51,160
 because we're going to do segment one to 77 with the merge project.

917
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,080
 So there are two different CSJs, two different funds amounts,

918
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,000
 but they're going to be combined as one job.

919
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,400
 So this one plus this segment takes care of all of the

920
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,960
 issues from 77 South to the marriage on 30 on 35.

921
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:13,720
 I think that the timing of construction is something that we've been talking about with

922
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:17,080
 tech stock now that they unlock both of these projects.

923
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,760
 But at the same time, there's a meeting

924
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,440
 we'll be having with them over the next two weeks for the

925
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,680
 district office understands our concerns.

926
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,560
 They're coming up here to actually have that conversation about how do we sequence this

927
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,240
 in such a way that we can try to manage the traffic

928
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,840
 flows that are absolutely going to fall.

929
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:35,080
 Yeah.

930
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,280
 That's all it was to construction.

931
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,080
 I'm sure you've covered this.

932
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,000
 Can you remind me what specifically will be done within the

933
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,560
 two projects that will address that specific issue?

934
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:46,040
 Absolutely.

935
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,000
 Exit onto university.

936
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:54,440
 So on the Wishbone project, what is included in the 35E project that was

937
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:01,720
 environmentally cleared back in 2012 is three lane frontage

938
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,640
 roads and both sit on the north and south bound, but braided ramps.

939
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:11,880
 So right now what you have is everybody's fighting to get from 35W on to 35.

940
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:17,880
 People on 35W and 35E trying to get to 38 and they're all fighting in about a thousand feet

941
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,480
 of real estate.

942
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,640
 What we're doing is we're called it's called braided ramp where both of those

943
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,200
 ramps need to be in the same place to get on and get off.

944
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,040
 And so the on ramp will be at grade.

945
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,560
 I believe it's the case where it's off.

946
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:32,680
 We flip the grade.

947
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,640
 On ramp from?

948
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,520
 From 35 to 380.

949
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:42,280
 And then there's going to be a on ramp at the same place from the frontage road to 35

950
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,320
 and there'll be braids.

951
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,880
 So one will go under and the other go over.

952
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,840
 So you have fighting.

953
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:47,720
 You're not fighting.

954
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,640
 Plus we're adding the third lane on the frontage roads.

955
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:57,880
 Plus we're adding a second lane on 35W because right now if you're coming north

956
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:04,040
 on 35W you have to get down to one lane and then basically merge on to to 35.

957
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,360
 So there'll be a ramp from 35W to 380 in the end?

958
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,240
 I mean, correct.

959
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,840
 You'll be able to come 35W two lanes on to 35.

960
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,560
 And then right there you'll be able to take an exit and go either under or over the on ramp

961
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,440
 and just land right in and go into 380.

962
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:25,640
 I believe it's the exit ramp is at grade because the development cares how you get there.

963
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,000
 They don't care how you leave.

964
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,880
 That's one of the breaks.

965
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,400
 I was just going to say I think that this may be our priority project.

966
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,000
 Oh, yeah, right.

967
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,960
 Because the regional group keeps asking us.

968
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,840
 Well, is it priority for implementation or priority for funding?

969
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,280
 Is this project fully funded?

970
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,600
 Implementation, I guess.

971
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,480
 Or are they asking for funding?

972
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,880
 They're wanting for a project that you want funded.

973
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:50,600
 Oh, OK.

974
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,720
 This is $880 million of full funding.

975
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,000
 So it's fully funded.

976
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:55,880
 Fully funded.

977
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,320
 This is one of those deals where I tell you.

978
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:57,960
 Fund that again.

979
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,720
 This is why I tell you we do faith-based engineering, right?

980
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:08,440
 Because you don't have to have the money in order to go through the regulatory process.

981
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,720
 But if you have the money like we do have the money here and

982
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,440
 aren't through the regulatory process, you still can't do it.

983
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,360
 So we just start on the process knowing that someday he'll get funded.

984
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,920
 And so when is this supposed to be?

985
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,840
 Exactly.

986
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,360
 So right now, that's what I was explaining.

987
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,040
 You have two dates here for let dates.

988
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,480
 You have a ready to let date in July 2021, which is what we think

989
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,120
 state and the city and everybody can get their collective act together to do.

990
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,680
 Right now, it's plugged in 2023 for clear language.

991
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,240
 What we can do is accelerate that date.

992
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,640
 We cannot go past that date.

993
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:52,840
 So what can be done? Would it require greater funding to complete the project in less time?

994
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:58,360
 So most of these projects that they're doing now, they do what's called A plus B

995
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,800
 bidding, which I'm not a big fan of it because if anything goes wrong,

996
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,320
 you're toast at the end of it.

997
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:11,880
 But A plus B is you bid it a dollar amount, but you select on who says they can do it

998
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,120
 for the fewest number of days.

999
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,120
 So I'm assuming that that's there.

1000
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,840
 They've been doing it a lot lately.

1001
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:26,520
 2181 was an A plus B. So we got creamed on that one.

1002
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:27,720
 Yeah. What are you trying to say?

1003
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:36,280
 So yes, they do try to do it in a manner because A plus B typically,

1004
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:41,960
 supposedly, you know, in the real world or perfect world, gets rid of the bad contractors.

1005
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:46,280
 We got the best bad one.

1006
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,640
 We got that same one on four out of the five projects they have at State of Texas.

1007
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,720
 You get the most eager bidders anyway.

1008
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,520
 Not the same thing as the best bidder.

1009
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:02,760
 So the answer is yes, this project and the next segment

1010
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:09,720
 includes all of the issues we need to solve all the problems in this part of the world of Denton.

1011
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:19,640
 The segment on the 35E all the way to 380 will include the infrastructure

1012
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:24,680
 because ultimately this project has Manning's Lanes coming all the way through Denton.

1013
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:29,960
 Right now they stop in the Lake Cities area because we didn't buy and reconstruct all of

1014
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:37,480
 35 through the Lake Cities of Denton. We just, we had capacity where we had the right of way.

1015
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:45,080
 This project will add the Manning's Lanes infrastructure so when the

1016
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,120
 section to the south gets built that project will already be open and ready to run.

1017
01:02:50,120 --> 01:03:01,800
 So that's the merge and we're looking at July 2021 let date and then the section to the north is a

1018
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,520
 little bit behind schedule but we think if we pull this segment out, if this is the same date as you

1019
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:12,760
 have on the section to the north here we're fairly confident that we can get that date ready to go

1020
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:18,680
 that date. It's the same as the previous project but again this is where we're going to add the

1021
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:26,280
 frontage roads, fix the alignment of 77, 288 will be solved because there's a you know danger between

1022
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:41,160
 380 and 288 from the on ramp so all this gets resolved. Okay all these projects segment one,

1023
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:48,360
 segment two and the merge is if you add it all up it's about 880 million dollars and it's all

1024
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:57,000
 fully funded. I'm sorry for slowing my comprehension but I'm just digesting what you just shared about

1025
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:03,560
 how the braided lanes resolve that issue and I'm wondering does it push just push the

1026
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,960
 problem to another absolute conflict point? Yes sir that's why we're doing segment one

1027
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:14,360
 of the next project because the next conflict point after scripture and all that where a razor

1028
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:19,320
 is is the 380 intersection. Right yeah because you got you got a lane coming from the 35 west

1029
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:24,360
 over you got a lane from the frontage road going on to 380 you got a lane from 35 east going there

1030
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,920
 and now they're all trying to get on to 380. So that's why we're doing the next little segment

1031
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:35,080
 here because that fixes all of that issue so it takes the frontage road and improves it all the

1032
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:41,560
 way through to 77 and that's what you need to make that intersection under 380 work is a functioning

1033
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:46,920
 frontage road north that's not trying to get on to 380 exactly okay but what about the fact that

1034
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:53,160
 you've got these three different sources that now each have their separate lane uh separate ramps

1035
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:59,400
 to get on to 380 what about the part where they 380 are they in conflict there right in other words

1036
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:05,240
 you got a lane a ramp from if i understood you correctly a ramp from 35 west going on to 380

1037
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:12,920
 good a ramp or a lane from the 35 e frontage road going on 380 you got to and then you got a way to

1038
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:20,920
 get the frontage road 35 e proper 35 west proper they've all got lanes going on to 380 in the

1039
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:29,240
 future wall right so don't they kind of collide at that point of contact they do really end up

1040
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:36,200
 merging so if you've driven 635 or any of those areas where they don't have a variety of braided

1041
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:41,960
 ramps yeah they do merge so absolutely they they kind of merge together so you're not going to get

1042
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:48,280
 three lanes dumping directly on to the frontage roads and 380 so they'll sort of merge over time

1043
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:53,080
 and they'll get that traffic and basically one singular line coming into the frontage road

1044
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:59,320
 plus right now the frontage roads that you have out there are not full constructed with that they will be

1045
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,720
 so we're going to be adding lanes to the frontage road so your far right lane if they want to come

1046
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:10,360
 northbound and turn right on 380 that'll be a general flow and the traffic wants to turn left

1047
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:15,800
 we'll have dual lefts but they'll have additional lanes in order to not because what happens is you

1048
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,680
 can't even get over to take a right when you're exiting so we're adding lanes to the frontage

1049
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:25,560
 road so we're also going to take some of the noise out of the problem because people aren't trying to

1050
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,840
 get out of exit but uh isn't that still where it's going to back up though and that that single lane

1051
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:37,000
 that they all search down to we're also adding more capacity and a new interchange on Windsor

1052
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:43,240
 we're currently working with tech stock to add that design so Windsor is just north of 380 a lot

1053
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:50,520
 of the neighborhoods that reside in that particular area do use university currently to exit and take

1054
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,880
 university to Bonnie Grant some of the neighborhoods north so that noise will be removed from that

1055
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:01,400
 interchange and pulled further north so that it exits further and connects to Windsor so that

1056
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:07,080
 we're trying to progress it's a little all of it okay but we're carrying we're carrying the

1057
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:12,840
 improvements before we were just carrying up to 380 which doesn't solve the problem yeah we're now

1058
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:20,280
 taking them all the way past 288 to 77 which that's where that's the funnel part that stops

1059
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,200
 the traffic from being able to function through that area because there's a lot of traffic that

1060
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,280
 wants to go west there's a lot of traffic that wants to go east and right now they're fighting

1061
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:34,760
 for essentially two lanes yeah all right i think i'm calmer for the moment i know we haven't we'll

1062
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,720
 hear about this many times between now and then you'll experience it too yeah thank you

1063
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:48,280
 so segment two is the same project it's fully funded takes it from 77 all the way up to the

1064
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:56,200
 county line and it'll be six lane divided urban with what they call two three frontage roads so

1065
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,840
 there'll be three frontage roads between the on ramp off ramp and the on ramp and then two

1066
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,560
 at the intersection

1067
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:12,200
 main lanes on 35 we're back to designing these and getting an environmentally cleared we're still

1068
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:18,040
 haggling over a little bit of the traffic that we think we've got that resolved

1069
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:23,560
 and so we're thinking about this time next year ish we should have the project environmental

1070
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:29,320
 clear which will mean we can start protecting it from a development standpoint a lot of people

1071
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:35,320
 are wanting to make sure that 35w doesn't end up looking a whole lot like what 35e

1072
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:41,000
 does in some areas where it's a whole lot of district mall work and so this will allow us

1073
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:48,120
 to protect the corridor our frontage road project we are looking at environmental clearance this

1074
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:55,960
 coming summer and at that point we've submitted the project for clear lanes again and once we

1075
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:00,680
 get environmentally cleared we can select the sections of 35w frontage roads we want to construct

1076
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,320
 that make the most sense and right now what the pressure looks like is it's in the northern half

1077
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:15,080
 of this segment within the city of den 380 east this project's got a february 2021 let date in

1078
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:20,280
 totality we're probably going to move the green one up as i've told you last time the state needs

1079
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:26,520
 to lead a project in the 2020 fiscal year in there probably about a month away from splitting

1080
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,000
 this job out so we'll do the green section first and then the blue section second

1081
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:45,480
 loop 288 again we're just now got the traffic approved from austin and so now they're back on

1082
01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:51,320
 to finalizing those so that we can do a public hearing so we can get environmentally cleared

1083
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:57,000
 spring of next year that allows to protect the corridor which is important because this area is

1084
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:03,960
 getting encumbered by the day and this also involves we've had some close coordination with

1085
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,680
 the coal ranch hillwood folks to make sure what we're doing on the 288 section in the south is

1086
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:17,880
 consistent with what their development calls for this one is not this one is fake based engineering

1087
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:22,760
 but uh we feel confident that once we get it cleared and start because they're going to start

1088
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:28,760
 acquiring the right away because i don't so this project has been on the books and around for

1089
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:34,520
 20 years and we've county's been starting and stopping starting and stopping based upon what

1090
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:40,040
 tex dot told us to do and about two years ago tex dot said we need to get the loop

1091
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:47,720
 done start the engineering again so we've re-engaged hntv i mean chain patel and so

1092
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:52,120
 it was text that district telling us get the project cleared because we want to start acquiring

1093
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:57,080
 the right away and we want to build a loop so we feel fairly confident once we get it environmentally

1094
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:04,200
 cleared you should see some speed on this project pick up from a funny standpoint would this be

1095
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:13,880
 considered a priority in our city for our engineers hey reserve the right to not answer that question

1096
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:23,320
 well i think we need to talk about that a little bit uh but this is i think the re what you need

1097
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:30,680
 to look for and i know this is kind of uh sometimes difficult to do the reason i don't

1098
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,760
 think you'd prioritize this is a priority because it's already a priority for the district and you

1099
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:39,160
 want to get you want to leverage your money as much as possible so you want to pick something

1100
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:46,440
 that they're not already interested in let me make a suggestion that uh when we get through you know

1101
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:50,600
 the updates can we just have a little discussion specifically about that what

1102
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,840
 i think it might be you know that's the right order let's let's go okay

1103
01:11:54,840 --> 01:12:05,080
 1515 all right so uh we are in the process of getting this project environmentally cleared next

1104
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:11,080
 year we've got to get some information from the city on the new location of the roundabout on the

1105
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:20,360
 west end and uh we still need to have some coordination with the uh the engineering firm

1106
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:26,200
 doing the wishbone for tech stock to make sure that we're tying 1515 and bonnie bray and consistent

1107
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:32,280
 with those plans so there's some coordination but again this project is planned to be cleared next

1108
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:38,920
 year by this time just a question about the roundabout is the roundabout going to be

1109
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:46,280
 as large as the one on bonnie bray most likely to be larger larger for the trucks yeah okay thank you

1110
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:55,240
 i was going to try to answer that but i'm probably doing it around about way and i wouldn't

1111
01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:03,960
 i'm glad you didn't answer okay fm 1173 again this is a project the district asked the

1112
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:12,360
 the county to pick up and an address so the county did this project is about 44 million bucks

1113
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:18,040
 really right it reroutes it to morto consistent with the current plan from the city and that

1114
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:25,880
 interchanges and the plans for the 35 project that's funded and so we're uh working on getting the

1115
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:30,440
 schematic approved which will then inform us on how long it will take to get the project environment

1116
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:38,520
 clear and then again i've met with tech stock i think two weeks ago they are planning on having

1117
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:46,520
 a firm on contract by end of year that's all they'll commit to and at that point they'll have

1118
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:51,400
 somebody to do the study on a limited access facility so it'll be a freeway instead of an

1119
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:57,720
 arterial which is kind of you know a divided facility so we'll be able to start populating

1120
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:07,000
 this probably after the first of year and then bonnie bray phase uh seven that's the uh segment

1121
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:12,680
 that's green we're working with cog and funding on the section in blue we've already got that

1122
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:19,240
 and the tip and they're partnering with us on that project uh we carry this because it's a project

1123
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:26,520
 that city needs in order for bonnie bray to work properly but again it's a project that cog is has

1124
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:32,120
 said all right city you're doing your part south of here we're going to work with tech stock to

1125
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:37,480
 make this connection and so we're just keeping you informed that we're slowly moving towards

1126
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:43,800
 getting that project we've already got a schematic that we think works the city did and so now we're

1127
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:51,800
 just moving towards getting cog and tech stock to have it funded i believe that's it so yeah can we

1128
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,600
 look at the list and have council member phrase yeah before we talk about the list i have a question

1129
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:04,440
 about 428 in the loop that we're experiencing right there yeah this update because i am aware

1130
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:11,400
 that there are two more large apartment complexes coming in or proposed there one on point when set

1131
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:18,040
 it right next to the palladium and that's coming really soon and then i think one across the street

1132
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:23,880
 are over there and so this is going to be really important for us to know what's happening right

1133
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:31,240
 here so at the intersection we are widening the number of planes under the bridge so that

1134
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:38,680
 the bridge footprint is pretty wide and we have some space to expand under the bridge so we're

1135
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:44,680
 adding capacity adding term lanes under the bridge as well as signalizing those two intersections so

1136
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:50,840
 at the interchange it will be signals with a widened capacity enhanced capacity currently

1137
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:56,280
 text dot has okayed us to go with always stops so it's functioning it would function as a signal

1138
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:04,520
 is if you have to come in always stop add those intersections so so you mean there's just going

1139
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:11,400
 to be when you say always stop it's a four-way stop signs for now until we get to the construction

1140
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:16,120
 we're going through the textile improvement process for the signals as well as the capacity

1141
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,920
 and that will be a long form

1142
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:35,640
 so this is a this this list that we have here is not a comprehensive list of

1143
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:42,840
 of everything you're working on it's just the on system primarily or those that have got top funding so

1144
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:51,240
 that was the statement in case there was other projects but do you think there might be something

1145
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:56,040
 that would be a contender for being our top priority that's not on the list well you have

1146
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:06,840
 a bond program right that has projects on it that are anticipating leveraging one project that

1147
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:13,560
 is definitely on that list for us or more text I'm sorry you just need a letter for us

1148
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:20,200
 unless the whitey 1830 so they'd be they have funding and are very interested in

1149
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:29,480
 falling divided 1830 from hickory through the road all the way north up to Hobson Hobson to 377 is

1150
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:37,800
 already getting white but 377 so that is definitely one heavy traffic movement that we need to make

1151
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:44,600
 sure it gets mobilized quickly just would you view that as a higher priority than anything that's on

1152
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:52,360
 this list again where john is is and what he's mentioned is is that there those are already on

1153
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:57,400
 the high priority list for the state just their funding means they're actively engaged in these

1154
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:05,240
 1830 they're ready to go they just need to know we're ready to go so that's something they would

1155
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:10,200
 absolutely be willing to work forward on we just gotta let them know it's time to go now there are

1156
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:17,000
 implications to that and that is you've got the hickory creek connection that's made with the bond

1157
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:23,240
 program but as soon as 1830 gets widened to four lanes now we're starting to work through on the

1158
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:30,280
 engineering side if i don't go past 1830 with that hickory creek connection which right now

1159
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:36,280
 tenses down at brush creek road if we don't carry that past 1830 still has to make this big winding

1160
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:44,680
 curve as opposed to the potential that if hickory creek were to continue to go then 1830 could t in

1161
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:50,440
 and we have a an intersection that's easier to control we take those big sweeping curves out

1162
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:55,400
 and then two lane 1830 would continue south so those are all alternatives we're having to work

1163
01:18:55,400 --> 01:19:00,680
 through the textile right now we don't know the answer to those but if that's a priority

1164
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:05,480
 we want to push we would absolutely have to accelerate going forward what does that look like

1165
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:11,160
 you know keep this up because it seems like something you want to ask about

1166
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:17,320
 yeah that was uh i'm just gonna have to look at what that looks like because i've never in our

1167
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,880
 conversation that was kind of brush creek what was the point of contention for how wide that

1168
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:30,040
 wants to be and so making that a priority and not even really understanding the full scale of it

1169
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,680
 that's why we haven't really rushed into that without having that broader conversation about

1170
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:45,560
 anything else on this item are you talking about pedestrian scramble okay

1171
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:52,920
 so item f closing envy open item f receiver report and hold the discussion regarding the

1172
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,560
 implementation of an exclusive pedestrian phase in the traffic signal operations of the downtown

1173
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:04,120
 intersections and oak and elm oak and locust hickory and elm and hickory and locust as a pilot program

1174
01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:18,920
 i know i just i had the power point

1175
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:30,920
 okay brian yeah i tried to get you here today talk to you about traffic signals pedestrians cars and

1176
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:39,960
 how we propose to make a few of them work a little more safely together so a little background on

1177
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:46,280
 traffic signals and pedestrians historically the way they've operated is a vehicle will pull up to

1178
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:52,680
 a stop bar a pedestrian will walk up to the accessible ramp push the button the car if

1179
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:56,360
 they're going in the same direction the car gets the green and the walk light goes on at the same

1180
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:03,320
 time so everybody starts moving the problem with that is that somebody's at an intersection that

1181
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:07,880
 wants to make a right turn in a vehicle they start their right turn the same time the pedestrian

1182
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:13,400
 steps off the curb likewise if they're on the pedestrians on the other side they begin their

1183
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:18,760
 movement the same time that somebody who's going to turn left begins there so we've got a conflict

1184
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:25,800
 point with pedestrians and vehicles in crosswalks now one of the ways we've tried to address this

1185
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,320
 at certain intersections that have a little bit higher turning movements and higher pedestrian

1186
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:35,240
 volumes is what we do call a leading pedestrian interval so they get about five or six seconds

1187
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:39,560
 for the walk sign before the car gets to great it gets to be it gets the pedestrian out in the

1188
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:46,600
 crosswalk very visible so as that person begins to make their turn they can see them and we don't

1189
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:53,480
 eliminate the conflict but we make the pedestrian a lot more visible to the driver however as

1190
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:59,640
 pedestrian volumes and traffic volumes increase we need some different tools and one of the tools

1191
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:07,320
 that we're looking at as a pilot program is an exclusive pedestrian phase or as our public

1192
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:15,560
 outreach team has named it the all-walk crosswalk so what happens with the exclusive pedestrian

1193
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:23,880
 phase or an all-walk crosswalk is the vehicles yeah the vehicles get a red light and the

1194
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:30,520
 pedestrians get a walk in all directions so there's no conflict between pedestrians and vehicles

1195
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,920
 we plan to implement this around the square so if you can picture

1196
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:41,560
 oak, hickory, logiston, elm a lot of one-way traffic so you'll have all the cars stopped

1197
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:48,120
 somebody will have to push the button and then all the crosswalks at all four of the any of the four

1198
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:55,480
 intersections all the crosswalks get a walk at the same time so this is not a true texas scramble

1199
01:22:55,480 --> 01:23:00,840
 although we're we're looking at that for future implementation we can't cross diagonally we're

1200
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:05,240
 just going to cross in the existing crosswalks which is why they all walk crosswalks moniker

1201
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:12,840
 really works for us you can cross any direction north south east to west so our our plan is to

1202
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:18,680
 give them enough time to cross the longest that that walk time will be the time that's required

1203
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:24,040
 across the widest approach so you'll have plenty of time to safely get across to the next corner

1204
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:31,240
 and then the vehicle traffic one direction will go and then the other direction will go so it's

1205
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:37,640
 it's kind of a we're trying to keep the time about the same we're just moving it around

1206
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:44,520
 in a different direction yeah why not yeah i have some questions that people have asked me

1207
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:51,400
 but why not the diagonal so this is we're doing it as a texas two-step this is our pilot program

1208
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:57,640
 we want to see how the public and the businesses receive the pedestrian phase right now those

1209
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:07,400
 intersections aren't geometric they're physically not designed to allow the diagonal for accessible

1210
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:13,320
 needs users so what we would have to do if we want to do the true texas scramble or the pedestrian

1211
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:18,120
 scramble we'd have to change the ramps right now they're directional so you're going directly

1212
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:23,400
 across the street and then directly across the street to a what we used to do is that intersection

1213
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,800
 that corner load where you have the ramp that can go it's really widened up to go this way or that

1214
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:33,320
 way or shoot you straight across we don't have the markings or the ramps in place right now to

1215
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:40,120
 allow that diagonal certainly can be done but we want to test the waters and see how it's received

1216
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:47,880
 and we believe there's some significant safety aspects that will be seen as we move forward

1217
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:54,360
 with this pilot program i want to make sure i'm tracking uh as you go uh i probably already said

1218
01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:00,600
 this like you have this exclusive pedestrian phase but then do you also have the sort of

1219
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:05,960
 traditional pedestrian no when the when the when the cars get to green the pedestrian is not allowed

1220
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:11,320
 to move and so here's this is a disadvantage just advantages for both drivers and pedestrians

1221
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:17,720
 the pedestrians don't have to worry about getting hit by car turning and when that light goes green

1222
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:22,440
 for the cars they don't have to worry about a pedestrian stepping off and causing a delay or

1223
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:26,520
 a conflict point as they're making a turn the through traffic will move just like it always does

1224
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:32,760
 but the right turn and the left turn will be they'll have the free right away now one of the things

1225
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,720
 this does that we'll talk about in the future in the slide but it does restrict the ability to take

1226
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:43,640
 a right on red or a left on red so we'll have no turns on red all cars stop pedestrians go

1227
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:49,800
 pedestrians stop and the cars go one direction at a time but they no longer have that conflict

1228
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,000
 they don't have to worry about somebody stepping off the curb right when they're trying to make a

1229
01:25:53,000 --> 01:26:01,400
 turn so we actually get a little efficiency in both pedestrian and uh motorists with this approach

1230
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:09,080
 okay can you want that one more time that the the traffic is then ready to go one direction at a time

1231
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:16,680
 so it's so it's it's four four greens no no it runs like normal at that point it's just in this

1232
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:24,520
 case there's just no walk right and in this case you got a couple of one-way streets but so it the

1233
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:30,600
 traffic signal will operate like normal so north and south will go then east and west okay that's

1234
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:35,880
 what i thought you meant so it's two so it's three phases total right we're not changing the phase

1235
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:41,000
 north south phase east west phase pedestrian phase north south phase that's the cycle so the

1236
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:45,320
 pedestrians will see the exact same indication they see today and others will see the exact same

1237
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,320
 indication they will they do today but they won't have the conflict with each will not have the

1238
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:55,560
 conflict with the other we're trying to remove that conflict and give each movement pedestrian

1239
01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:11,560
 or vehicular its own discrete tracks because there is i mean if you think about where you get

1240
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:19,960
 inside markings is that's the well as fargo is just to get some bearings on here on the south side

1241
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:26,760
 if you've got green light for for hickory there's no reason they shouldn't be the pedestrian crossing

1242
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:36,200
 could be open because no if you've got no turn on red there's nobody that can go back but

1243
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:45,000
 right if hickory's got the green light and locus has got the red that crosswalk could be open as

1244
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:51,320
 well you could we can do it over we'd be an overlap um part of what we wanted to do at the

1245
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:58,120
 pilot phase though is not confuse people by too many things going on at one time it's a very

1246
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:07,400
 just from personal experience i drove one of these over the summer and we were in victoria

1247
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:15,480
 canada had a lovely city a lot of people walk in everywhere fairly narrow roads a lot of parking

1248
01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:22,680
 on all sides so when we're driving through the downtown area people are walking left and right

1249
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,680
 coming from behind parked vehicles parked cars are trying to park coming to come out parking

1250
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,840
 trying to figure out who's trying to turn right and left and then when you get to an intersection

1251
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:36,280
 all of this stuff happens at one time except at one intersection where they had an exclusive

1252
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:42,520
 pedestrian phase the the unique thing about that exclusive pedestrian phase is just from a drive

1253
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:47,720
 ability standpoint the first time i hit it i got to that intersection i was like what is going on

1254
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:54,280
 because all the cars stopped all the people went and then none of the people went and you got to

1255
01:28:54,280 --> 01:29:00,360
 go the thing i discovered is is i really liked that intersection better than any so anytime we

1256
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:05,240
 were driving through the downtown area we made sure our route went that way because i didn't have

1257
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:09,800
 to worry about when i was turning left or right i wouldn't have to worry about people coming and

1258
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:14,680
 going and it was the only intersection that i was able to actually have that kind of confidence

1259
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:21,400
 driving i also stopped doing just intuitively i stopped doing that kind of edge up to the line

1260
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:27,160
 because i want to either beat the pedestrian or see the pedestrian or see another car i knew i was

1261
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:33,720
 going to have my turn so i didn't really edge up so i got i calmed down i was able to see a lot more

1262
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:40,680
 around me and i knew i was going to get my turn without conflict so what we see on the square

1263
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:46,520
 is you see people trying to walk and you got people trying to make a left they're looking

1264
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:51,640
 for parking there's a lot of i'm trying to figure out is the person going to walk i gotta try to get

1265
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:56,760
 that spot over there somebody's backing out of before this other guy gets it you got all those

1266
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:02,040
 things happening in this square which is where we started as we really got down to the nuts and

1267
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:08,920
 bolts of what is a exclusive pedestrian phase or an all walk how do we remove some of just that

1268
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:13,160
 anxiousness that we all feel when we're trying to drive through that area and provide some support

1269
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:21,560
 to a potentially chaotic area this is absolutely what that does intuitively it brings a lot of

1270
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:26,600
 order to an area where there's a lot of decisions that as a driver and as a pedestrian you don't

1271
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:32,840
 realize you're doing all the time you just don't really tell that you get that sense of order and

1272
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,880
 it will happen almost intuitively to everybody you get there you know you have your turn so you're

1273
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:44,120
 not doing this edging up i got i'm going to have plenty of time the pedestrian knows you're not

1274
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:48,440
 getting on my way i don't have to try to figure out are you jumping out in front of me are we

1275
01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:53,000
 going to do the standoff here i'm going to let you in because you weigh more than i do

1276
01:30:53,640 --> 01:31:00,680
 they can walk progressively across with confidence where they're going it also starts intuitively it

1277
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:06,120
 starts to prevent some of that i'm just going to jump out and walk across because i'm impatient

1278
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:12,920
 because everybody knows i have a chance to go you also get if you drive the square especially

1279
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:18,680
 around the lunchtime hour you're trying to find a place to park you see the left lane will get

1280
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:24,200
 clogged because people are walking across and we want them to walk across but now you got people

1281
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:28,040
 who are getting anxious because i want to try to turn or right turn so you see that in some too

1282
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:34,680
 depending on what side the pedestrians are really focused on walking across with this scenario i

1283
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:40,920
 should actually be able to clear traffic better when it's their turn without all the anxiousness

1284
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:48,280
 that comes up with that and i understand that but with it being a one way coming in from this one

1285
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:54,680
 one way coming in from this way and if your timing is such that it's for a pedestrian to cross once

1286
01:31:54,680 --> 01:32:01,640
 then if they're wanting to go from this corner to this corner they're going to wait through

1287
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:07,720
 two cycles whereas if you said okay when i'm going northbound when locus has got the green

1288
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:15,720
 people on locus can't take left so we can leave that be a a walk zone and people will

1289
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,520
 will learn that that's the corner i want to get on that side because i can go with

1290
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:28,600
 traffic at the same time when it's an all walk i see what you're saying my concern is just going

1291
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:33,560
 to be that are we adding something different at one intersection or two intersections potentially

1292
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:40,680
 than we went anywhere else and ultimately what we're hoping to find out is absolutely this

1293
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:45,720
 phase works people like it we go to the next step and i have the diagonal

1294
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,600
 and i don't even have to worry about that anymore because you can just go straight across

1295
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:53,720
 but we're trying to step into this in a way where we can make this change quickly i mean if

1296
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:58,520
 council were to say yes we could do it tomorrow if we wanted to then we won't because we've got

1297
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:03,880
 signs and education and all that mess but we will do it fairly quickly depending on council's

1298
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:09,240
 direction the issue that really what we're trying to get through here is is this something that's

1299
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:15,320
 accepted is it something that through the pilot program that people will embrace and then we can

1300
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:20,600
 put the dollars to all the improvements but have to go on all those corners to make the diagonals

1301
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:27,000
 and then you get that very direct route on all corners yeah you know i understand that i think

1302
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:32,120
 it's a good program i'm just looking at you're going to have frustrated pedestrians that are

1303
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:37,720
 going to make it across one street and then have to wait for a full cycle of both locus and hickory

1304
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:43,960
 to go through before they get the light to cross again it could and we'll be actively monitoring

1305
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:49,960
 these intersections you know be a camera as well as physical having people out there to watch what's

1306
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:57,160
 going on but we can make adjustments as it goes along okay council members yeah i i have several

1307
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:03,000
 different comments that was one of them and one of the concerns that people commented and was that

1308
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:08,280
 generally with these types of programs the pedestrians get frustrated because they have

1309
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:15,080
 to wait or they don't have enough time to cross and right now they could go from one side to the

1310
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:21,320
 other side with the with the traffic timing but if for some reason they're not fast enough they can

1311
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:25,240
 only make it across one street and they get frustrated because they have to wait for four

1312
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:30,440
 lanes of traffic so then you have people just taking off and you know going rogue and trying

1313
01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:38,680
 to cross whenever they can as a as a situation so that was just one of them and i have other

1314
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:45,400
 ones i can wait till the but this is a but if all traffic stops a person could i mean

1315
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:52,680
 if in theory they could walk diagonally that's the next phase well it well it is it is but

1316
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:57,400
 they can go where they want the issue is is that from an 88 compliancy perspective you

1317
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:01,560
 gotta strip they've got to stripe it they've got to throw out of the ramp so that's why it's phase

1318
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:08,760
 two is if it works then but i could i could start from that that that say the bottom right hand

1319
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:14,680
 let's see the bottom left hand corner and just just walk back you know all traffic stops if you're

1320
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:20,200
 nervous enough to go rogue you would do that sir if you're nervy enough to go no i wouldn't i'm not

1321
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:24,200
 going to agree with you all traffic stop yes i understand but i mean he's making i'm supporting

1322
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:29,240
 your point yes go ahead you can fight with me if you want so what is the timing so what is the

1323
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:34,680
 timing now and what will the proposed timing be because you said it would increase or no okay

1324
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:40,440
 you're talking about each phase so that's another actually it's kind of an advantage of going to

1325
01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:46,520
 discrete phases because you can actually it's kind of intuitive perhaps but because i don't have to

1326
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:51,800
 if i'm in a car and i don't have to wait for the pedestrian to clear the turn that i want to make

1327
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:58,120
 left or right i can actually shorten that green time because i'm flowing free i don't have any

1328
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:01,880
 disruptions and no conflicts i can actually shorten the green time and get the same amount

1329
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:07,480
 of traffic through what that allows us to do is to move that green around if you think of the signal

1330
01:36:07,480 --> 01:36:12,840
 cycle as a circle if we have shorter pieces smaller pieces of the pie i get more pieces

1331
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:21,320
 during the same amount of time so i'll be able to serve we've looked at it it's very very much

1332
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:26,200
 like it is today we're going to give shorter times because right now those pet times are extremely

1333
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:31,160
 long and some of those signal phases are extremely long because the pet phases are extremely long

1334
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:38,040
 if we can if we can serve the time and we may just use the diagonal time how how long does it

1335
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,960
 take a person to go from one corner to the other if they choose to do that we need to provide safe

1336
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,960
 crossing time well that's going to give more than enough time if you want to cross a single leg

1337
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:51,640
 but then that allows us to reduce the vehicular green time because now they don't have to worry

1338
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,680
 about they're not as todd said you'll see the right turn that it'll start and then they have

1339
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:01,400
 to stop and wait for the pedestrians to clear don't have to do that anymore so when they get

1340
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:06,680
 the green they're it's free flow they're free to go right left straight and we can actually serve

1341
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:12,680
 the same number of cars with a shorter cycle or the shorter phase so the same we may have shorter

1342
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:18,440
 phases we have more of them so even though they have to wait as a pedestrian like to cross this

1343
01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:23,160
 street and then wait across that street and wait the time it takes the total time it takes to cross

1344
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:24,760
 is not that different than it is today

1345
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:29,800
 if you want to hear the rest of the presentation then we'll take their issues

1346
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:35,480
 so we've already talked about a lot of it yeah that's right look there's numbers on there so

1347
01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:42,520
 so the uh the concept really is we've been around for a long time in the 40s it was in some of the

1348
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:48,680
 urban denser urban areas it was standard practice and then after world war ii when the states became

1349
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:53,240
 pretty auto-centric and everybody had their car they wanted one person one car it kind of fell out

1350
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:58,280
 of favor because prioritization was given to the vehicular road so pedestrians kind of fell away

1351
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:02,760
 people stopped walking they started driving everywhere but now with the resurgence of the

1352
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:11,080
 complete streets you see a lot of these implementation again starting in the larger urban areas but it's

1353
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:15,720
 really it's a great practice for anywhere you have that conflict enough pedestrians and enough

1354
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,640
 turning and traffic volume vehicular volumes is a good idea

1355
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:29,800
 so we've talked about a lot of the advantages it increases the convenience for pedestrians they no

1356
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:37,320
 longer have to worry about crossing and conflicting with the auto it definitely enhances the pedestrian

1357
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:43,960
 safety i think once people get over that hump of if there's a little frustration as todd said they

1358
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,920
 know they're going to get their turn and they're not going to have a car trying to turn in front of

1359
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:53,880
 them it really enhances the safety level and the other thing that it does is it really promotes the

1360
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:58,920
 pedestrian mode we're we're all about that complete streets concept we're going to get people out of

1361
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:05,400
 their car you know park a block away and again we're starting with the pilot program we may expand

1362
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:12,680
 this but we want to we want to make it comfortable for people to walk around downtown and this is a

1363
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:18,520
 this is an easy way where we can make it safe dependable and comfortable for people to walk

1364
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:23,240
 instead of driving from or trying to park as close to their destinations can they know they

1365
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:31,320
 can walk safely then the more likely to walk so again it increases the visibility all the

1366
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:37,000
 heads are you get this platoon of heads crossing the cars can see them they know it's not their turn

1367
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:43,160
 eliminate the conflict conflict points between the vehicles and the heads and we can actually as we

1368
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:47,960
 said reduce the overall head crossing time because they no longer have to wait for cars

1369
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:55,160
 once they start they can complete their maneuver without a conflict the other thing it does is

1370
01:39:55,160 --> 01:40:01,800
 it can actually tighten up some intersections downtown may not we may not see this but on

1371
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:08,120
 other locations if we expand this program because you no longer have cars and heads moving at the

1372
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:14,920
 same time we can type we can bring those crosswalks in a little bit and shorten the distance for

1373
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:22,200
 potentially for pedestrians and for cars because if we move the stop bars in this goes again how

1374
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:27,320
 we can reduce that green time for a car they've got less time they that it takes them from the

1375
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:32,760
 stop bar to clear the intersection because we brought it in tight so pedestrians don't have to

1376
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:38,760
 worry about a car either turning or even if it's in the same direction right now we keep a safe

1377
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:44,840
 distance 46 feet between the travel lane crosswalk we don't have to do that anymore because we don't

1378
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:50,680
 have that conflict there's no cars moving at the same time as a passenger and we talked about the

1379
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:58,600
 shorter vehicular faces now in some instances of larger intersections because the the crosswalk

1380
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:04,120
 times are extremely long you can add some delay and it's a trade-off as to whether or not that

1381
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:09,880
 safety increase is worth the delay increase so if you've got larger intersections again not

1382
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:15,800
 necessarily these first four but if we move this pilot program to other locations in the city

1383
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:22,200
 you can increase the overall delay for both vehicles and pedestrians it doesn't eliminate

1384
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:27,080
 the turn on red right turn on red left turn on red on one-way streets we really don't want those

1385
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:32,600
 cars moving at the same time as a pad so we have to restrict that and you can introduce some driver

1386
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:38,760
 frustration but as i think as todd said once you once the drivers learn hey i'm going to get my

1387
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:43,080
 turn and when i when i get my turn i don't have to worry about pedestrians and if we can keep those

1388
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:49,160
 phases short to where we serve the we serve the demand that's there we don't not wait for the

1389
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:53,880
 platoon that's a block and a half away and we move it around more often than we can

1390
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,880
 we can mitigate a lot of that frustration

1391
01:41:55,880 --> 01:42:01,080
 todder gave his example this was his

1392
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:07,640
 again a lot of the larger urban areas are defaulting to this

1393
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:16,360
 there are some states up north primarily where anytime they do an intersection you have to prove

1394
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:20,600
 that you would not have an exclusive pedestrian base because it is by default built down

1395
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:27,080
 i know some of our constituents who prefer that our traffic engineers only travel within the state

1396
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:35,000
 of texas but i think it's going to be for xmas no idea marcelon spain is this is the whole the whole

1397
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:41,960
 city's this and it is controlled beautiful chaos and if nobody ever can put through each other

1398
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,600
 i like that until he said cats well i mean there's just a lot a lot of people moving

1399
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:52,760
 and it worked perfect i was you know i'm not a complete streets guy but that was for us

1400
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:58,280
 and it's not limited although our initial deployment is really focusing on some one-way

1401
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:02,360
 streets it's really not limited to one-way streets at all i mean any intersection with the right

1402
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:07,000
 pedestrian vehicle component is a candidate for this treatment

1403
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,320
 we've talked about several other locations in town where it might make sense

1404
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:17,480
 well do i have to ask what else is on your radar since you introduced that topic

1405
01:43:17,480 --> 01:43:21,720
 uh you know what i'll hold it because i asked everyone else all their questions go ahead you

1406
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:27,320
 got 11 12 13 and 14 right so probably one that says questions this one we've already talked about

1407
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:33,080
 these are the four locations timeline we have presented to the main street association traffic

1408
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:42,520
 safety commission uh dedc mobility today council we've got uh we're actually added one committee on

1409
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:48,920
 persons with disabilities will be next thursday and so uh we're ready to implement the the week

1410
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:56,440
 before thanksgiving we've got uh we've got the the program running on some some controllers in on

1411
01:43:56,440 --> 01:44:01,560
 the bench we're having a little implementation problem when we go to the field but we've got our

1412
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:07,480
 technical people coming in this week to iron that out we'll be ready to move next week

1413
01:44:07,480 --> 01:44:15,560
 so a little bit about the program implementation if we start the week in november we're going to

1414
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:21,160
 work until spring five or six months we're going to let it run we'll be assessing we'll be taking

1415
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:28,360
 feedback the public outreach loop has got a great website they're ready to roll out it's just got a

1416
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:35,000
 feedback survey on it a lot of helpful tips we're going to have some a phrase signs out on the

1417
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:41,960
 corners too i think it's one on each corner of each intersection that'll give some tips about

1418
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:47,800
 hey you've got to push the button don't cross you know when the cars are crossing just some

1419
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:55,400
 helpful hints they've got some faqs on the website so we'll be bringing this back with an assessment

1420
01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:03,000
 of kind of a summary of the feedback that we received if we have any hopefully not but if

1421
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:08,040
 we have any crash data we'll try to share that with you as well and then again bring it back to

1422
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:13,240
 you for a determination whether or not we want to terminate the pilot program or continue it as a

1423
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:17,800
 permanent operation and then after if we decide to continue it then we can talk about expansion

1424
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:32,360
 okay questions yes so why wouldn't we just eliminate the right or left turns on red

1425
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:40,200
 if that's a an issue so because that that's been an issue for right now for when there's there's an

1426
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:46,200
 automatic crosswalk implemented base so you don't have to push the button and so people have gotten

1427
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:50,360
 used to that a little bit so that's one of my issues we're going to have to make them start

1428
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:58,200
 pushing the button again second so what about the flashing yellows it's that fade is that going to

1429
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:06,200
 go away the flashing yellow arrows and does that mean that they can still turn are you talking about

1430
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:13,400
 that hickory yellow just yeah yeah because that's a big issue and if that stays and we're still

1431
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:21,960
 working through that issue and that one way it's a two-way conundrum is really it's an issue that

1432
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:28,440
 just has to be resolved the best option is to resolve that issue is to clearly define that

1433
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:34,440
 entire stretch of road is one way or two way that gets rid of that because now we can control that

1434
01:46:34,440 --> 01:46:41,160
 effectively with the signal that people know what they're doing with this pedestrian phase what it

1435
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:48,440
 does do is if you're trying to figure out who's going you've at least eliminated the well i got

1436
01:46:48,440 --> 01:46:53,880
 a pedestrian crossing too so now i'm trying to figure out who's going when and i'm trying to

1437
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:59,560
 juggle what the pedestrians are doing all at the same time we're still working on what's the best

1438
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:06,520
 solution for that conflict where they come together so that will still be going on but there will not

1439
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:14,280
 be a pedestrian sign because now there is at the same time as the yellow crossing so that will be

1440
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:19,720
 removed right at least okay so let me answer your first part about the right turn on red the right

1441
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:25,640
 turn on there's there's two conflicts um one is when if i pull up to the stop bar and i get a green

1442
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:32,520
 and i want to turn right during that green phase i conflict with the pedestrian that's crossing with me

1443
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:39,720
 if i pull up and i want to turn right on the red i conflict with the person that's crossing

1444
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:45,560
 against me so eliminating the right turn on red only eliminates part of the conflict what we're

1445
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:50,600
 trying to do is eliminate all vehicular pedestrian conflicts and with the with the all-walk crosswalks

1446
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:55,560
 pedestrians all move at one time and the vehicles move when it's their turn and they don't have that

1447
01:47:55,560 --> 01:48:00,280
 conflict with the pedestrian so the right turn on red helps but it only helps part way

1448
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:05,240
 all right so i talked about the push button i talked about that you said the disability

1449
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:09,800
 committee is going to review this so that was another question my right turn only so um

1450
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:14,600
 so some of the feedback about this

1451
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:24,360
 phase or what we're doing here is that pedestrians get frustrated with the time that they have to wait

1452
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:30,040
 but i think you may have solved that by saying that all the phases are going to be shorter

1453
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:36,840
 and we have the ability to to reduce the green time again we've we're running it on the bench

1454
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:42,040
 right now we haven't done a field implementation but we're going to be monitoring this so that if

1455
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:47,480
 we see that we're clearing the cues then we can shorten that green time we're going to tailor this

1456
01:48:47,480 --> 01:48:55,320
 to maximize our efficiency of moving that green time around the intersection and are we afraid or

1457
01:48:55,320 --> 01:49:02,600
 have you thought about if cars back up the traffic backs up into the next intersection

1458
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:10,280
 so yeah or you know there's somebody waiting for a parking place and holding holding something up and

1459
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:17,240
 some of that is a problem today and regardless some of that will be a problem in the future i

1460
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:23,960
 i don't think it's going to be as a bigger problem as maybe people think it will be because oh my

1461
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:28,360
 goodness now we're all stopping the reality is if everybody stopped

1462
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:36,120
 but i've got pedestrians doing their thing at one time so they get a priority whereas right now they

1463
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:42,440
 kind of are treated as secondary to the cars we're getting the pedestrians priority thing you

1464
01:49:42,440 --> 01:49:50,520
 absolutely have your own face now when the car is cleared they're clearing faster and even if they

1465
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:55,640
 have to wait for somebody backing out they're doing that today with the current single configuration

1466
01:49:55,640 --> 01:50:01,800
 that really won't change so a situation where the excuse me the vehicles are you know it just comes

1467
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:06,440
 from a bridge you know they're stacked up someone's blocking a car is blocking the intersection and

1468
01:50:06,440 --> 01:50:11,960
 just red lights all over right and so pedestrians are going to potentially walking in between vehicles

1469
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:18,520
 that well so you get two components there that that happens today part of that is also an

1470
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:25,160
 enforcement issue because you're not supposed to be in the intersection in order to stop and stop

1471
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:30,520
 ahead of you you're supposed to lean on the other side of the intersection and then once that clears

1472
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:35,160
 then you can look into the intersection that's what's supposed to happen and always happen that

1473
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:42,120
 way but that even happens today there's no good answer for that one so are we going to have proper

1474
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:48,920
 signage like no right turns yes it's a complete package just the the programming part and controllers

1475
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:53,880
 but we've also got no turn on red signs that are part of this implementation as well and then my

1476
01:50:53,880 --> 01:51:01,240
 last question is bicycle boxes somebody a couple people mentioned that i think mark just left so i

1477
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:09,960
 don't know um okay if you can just address that or you can do you know what that means i i do we have

1478
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:16,920
 not planned on implementing those with part of this there is a kind of a fine point on the bicycles

1479
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:22,600
 if they're going to drive through the intersection as a cyclist they are a vehicle and they have to

1480
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:26,840
 wait for the green light for their if they're in the lane of traffic they have to wait for the green

1481
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:32,280
 light if they want to if they want to cross with the crosswalk during the all-walk crosswalk phase

1482
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:37,320
 they have to dismount and walk the bike across so but we're not planning on with this pilot

1483
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:44,280
 implementing any additional cyclist provisions like the bike box or a separate bike phase or bike

1484
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:50,440
 detection so we can address that in the future but with this right now we're just talking about

1485
01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:56,520
 separating the vehicle and the pedestrian faces yeah i think that really the bike box is absolutely

1486
01:51:56,520 --> 01:52:01,640
 the point of conversation has been moved forward with the mobility plan and the bicycle component

1487
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:06,680
 of the of the plan it's absolutely a part of that discussion okay all right thank you

1488
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:16,840
 um now i like the idea i think it will work well i think we're way overdue for no turn on red that

1489
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:21,800
 should happen on the square a long time ago because you cannot see the oncoming traffic unless you're

1490
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:28,360
 already in the crosswalk so why that hasn't happened years ago i don't know uh looking forward to see

1491
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:38,760
 how it's accepted by everybody out there would you mind going back to the um the uh next steps slide

1492
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:50,520
 well yeah yeah no no not that one the dates oh okay okay so all right so it already went to

1493
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:55,880
 traffic safety correct and they they liked it right great green light so to speak yes um what

1494
01:52:55,880 --> 01:53:01,960
 is the point of going to the uh council before you go to the committee on persons with disability

1495
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:06,120
 when we want to get that input and have that be part of the input to council it was just a scheduling

1496
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:10,760
 when we decided to move forward with this they'd already had their last meeting so we put it on the

1497
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:15,480
 next available agenda they meet that frequently maybe the next next thursday i mean i would

1498
01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:20,920
 anticipate that you know council may say sounds good except we want to hear what they say so

1499
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:27,000
 i don't know i mean what what then happens it goes to them and they can you know council's already

1500
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:32,440
 proved this how does that work what if they have a big issue with it or some group of some great

1501
01:53:32,440 --> 01:53:41,240
 insights what would we do in it my comment on that is that today council doesn't say yes we just give

1502
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:45,560
 correction before and then they would go to the mobility committee and implement what they say

1503
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:50,760
 before it comes back to us for a vote also comes back to council for a vote is that so i didn't see

1504
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:56,360
 that i see the presentation of council today and then implementation or you could approve

1505
01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:05,560
 contingent upon yeah all right i anticipate that uh and then um first of all i should condition

1506
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:13,000
 what i say by saying i like it and it makes sense to me just as an individual uh but i want to ask

1507
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:20,360
 your indulgence um you know i got a an email i mentioned you did too from one of our you know kind of

1508
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:27,240
 very engaged citizens particularly focuses on pedestrian bike mobility she cites a study

1509
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:36,360
 that uh that says this sort of thing works works well uh only where people tend to

1510
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:43,240
 follow the rules and then it then it works better in situations where it's long crossings and high

1511
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:51,480
 traffic uh high auto traffic but not so well in this situation which is you know low relatively

1512
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:58,360
 low distance uh you know and not like not like a highway situation like i said intuitively this

1513
01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:03,160
 makes all kinds of sense to me to have all traffic stopped when people are crossing i wonder if you're

1514
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:11,640
 aware of this research and if uh okay let's see maybe i can read it to you if i can beg your indulgence

1515
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:22,360
 sure um what here this is from safety ass effects of exclusive and concurrent signal phasing

1516
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:29,160
 pedestrian crossings and it's a 2015 study they you know if you want i'll dig into it and find out the

1517
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:35,560
 source but these are quotes from it intersections with concurrent phasing have fewer total pedestrian

1518
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:40,680
 crashes than those with exclusive phasing but more crashes at higher severity

1519
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:48,680
 however since traffic has stopped on all directions exclusive pedestrian phasing

1520
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:54,680
 results in longer delays for motor vehicles and pedestrians pedestrians often do not wait for the

1521
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:59,960
 pedestrian phase potentially resulting in unexpected interactions between pedestrians

1522
01:55:59,960 --> 01:56:06,280
 and motor vehicles the requested pedestrian phase may then go unused frustrating drivers who must

1523
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:12,360
 then wait for the phase to run its course we recommend i don't know exactly the ways recommend

1524
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:18,680
 that exclusive phasing be considered only in these conditions high traffic speeds long crossing

1525
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:25,400
 distances and low pedestrian volumes in contrast locations with low traffic speeds short crossing

1526
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:30,680
 distances and high pedestrian volume should not be considered for exclusive pedestrian phasing

1527
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:36,600
 unless there's also significant use of the intersection by pedestrians with physical or

1528
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:46,200
 visual challenges let's see if i can find the source here okay i can't wait uh so are you are

1529
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:51,720
 you aware of the study of this there's a reason why and this is different than that so the the

1530
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:58,200
 effectiveness or the success is very much intersection specific and i'm going to say when

1531
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:03,160
 you talk about a long crossing versus a short crossing a residential intersection is a short

1532
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:07,800
 crossing okay well we've actually this is when you're when you're talking about crossing locus

1533
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:12,760
 you've got two travel lanes and two parking lanes you've got four lanes of traffic that's not

1534
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:22,200
 necessarily a short crossing and the research that i'm much more impressed or that i agree with it's

1535
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:27,720
 not the speed of the vehicles it's how much turning traffic you have because that's the conflict if

1536
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:32,200
 you're going straight and i'm going straight as pedestrian there's no conflict it's when you want

1537
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:38,280
 to turn right and left and around the square they have a lot of turning they also also the the point

1538
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:45,560
 about the disadvantaged or challenged pedestrian i'm going to take that to the next step and it's

1539
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:51,560
 the distracted pedestrian because when you're the pedestrians are types that we have around the square

1540
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:56,280
 you're looking for where you're going you're with a group of friends you're not necessarily just

1541
01:57:56,280 --> 01:58:03,080
 walking like on somebody on university coming from class and students they're just we're walking but

1542
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:07,240
 around the square you've got all this different activity going on and now you've got cars turning

1543
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:11,800
 and you've got pedestrians trying to walk this way much more concerned about the distracted

1544
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:17,240
 pedestrian and the number of turning vehicles and again these are not necessarily even though

1545
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:21,480
 you're you only got one lane of traffic in each direction that you've got that parking adjacent to

1546
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:28,120
 and so you know you still got a pretty good crossing distance also want to ask you mentioned

1547
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:34,120
 that there are other places around the city where you think this might be applicable i wonder what

1548
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:39,240
 intersections you have in mind well so i don't necessarily have intersections in mind but what i

1549
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:46,920
 have is those areas where we have again the distracted pedestrian i'm going to lump it into

1550
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:53,240
 university students yeah on the phone across the street anywhere around i'm not distracted

1551
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:57,960
 they have complete and total focus laser focus it's not on their surroundings correct

1552
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:04,520
 so anytime we have high pedestrian volumes and potentially distracted or not necessarily paying

1553
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:11,320
 attention i would argue that anywhere around unt or twu not anywhere but there are several

1554
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:21,320
 locations that might fit this this such as exactly such as friday right well yeah so anywhere

1555
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:29,480
 uh i don't think that would even have a it will but i don't think it has a head phase but but those

1556
01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:33,160
 are the locations that we're looking to expand this where we've got those pedestrian volumes we've got

1557
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:37,880
 the the vehicular volumes it doesn't necessarily have to be a high vehicular volume but if you've

1558
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:42,120
 got high turning points or you've got as tob pointed out you've got people driving looking

1559
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:47,000
 for a parking space they're not necessarily focused on what's happening with the pedestrians

1560
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:53,480
 or even other vehicles so i'm asking like you know my true inner inclination is to be supportive

1561
01:59:53,480 --> 02:00:00,280
 i'm asking this as kind of constituent service see what you say uh another uh very engaged citizen

1562
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:07,320
 says if you're you know would it make sense to other lower risk intersections where you would

1563
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:14,920
 want to where you might consider testing this first asking the question you know with what do

1564
02:00:14,920 --> 02:00:21,800
 you think about that suggestion my question would come down to this what do you call it risk is the

1565
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:28,040
 risk of pedestrian crashes so it's going to be some well some volumetric metric here's where i

1566
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:34,920
 struggle with that one if i'm looking at this option as opposed to i'm going to insert a

1567
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:41,160
 roundabout or something that is new to a good number of drivers you're putting in something that

1568
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:49,400
 intuitively everybody's going to understand from the start it's a crosswalk it's a signal you get

1569
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:56,280
 the driver gets a red light they see a sign that says no right on red no left on red they intuitively

1570
02:00:56,280 --> 02:01:04,920
 know these things as soon as they approach it so this the likelihood of increased risk actually

1571
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:10,280
 goes down because this is a much more intuitive education process than one where we're going to

1572
02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:17,480
 insert something some new dynamic like the flashing yellows on the dueling heads or oak and

1573
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:24,200
 hickory and locust that i'm way more worried about doing something different there than i am

1574
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:32,200
 you got a longer time to walk and the cars have their green light and it's very orderly the issue

1575
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:37,560
 that you generally run into is one that we deal with anyway and that somebody says well i'm late

1576
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:43,960
 i'm just going to go you're never going to prevent that i don't care what control we put at that

1577
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:48,680
 at that intersection you're never going to prevent that people are still going to cross if they see

1578
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:54,040
 it's clear they're going to cross when they want to cross we're just saying let's give you a priority

1579
02:01:54,040 --> 02:02:02,280
 in this chaos and what brings them forward to it and say you go when you go i'll go when i go

1580
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:08,280
 the pedestrian absolutely still can make the choice if nobody's coming down locust i'm just

1581
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:15,320
 going to go i can do that we're not slowing that down i think this is a much if we're talking about

1582
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:23,000
 risk assessment i don't see the risk here with this option we also want to implement the pilot

1583
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:28,600
 program just in this way for exactly that reason no commitment on this beyond let's try it let's

1584
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:34,600
 watch it we've got traffic cameras at these intersections so we can see it live when the

1585
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:40,760
 minute something happens we'll be able to make adjustments to signal timing this is a very

1586
02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:48,840
 different scenario i would be more hesitant to do this on a university campus than i would on the

1587
02:02:48,840 --> 02:02:55,080
 square where people are are more acute and aware of what's going on around them i'm more worried

1588
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:59,320
 about doing something in another place where it's a new phenomena and i still got kids are just

1589
02:02:59,320 --> 02:03:03,880
 they're not going to care i assume the traffic is going to stop for me regardless where it happens

1590
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:11,240
 how long would you intend the test base to be it was five to six months five to six months

1591
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:17,720
 and uh and what what would be the key metrics that define success so there's a variety of avenues

1592
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:22,680
 there that we're looking to explore it's actually being out in the field asking questions of people

1593
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:28,040
 on the corners as they're using it uh there'll be an online survey component in this people are

1594
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:34,600
 invited to come they can scan the code they can give their feedback that way and we're trying to

1595
02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:39,720
 capture that data of people who park remotely they work up there or they live up there and they're

1596
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:46,120
 just walking as well as the people who come up there they park it and walk it so user reaction

1597
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:55,960
 is right all right uh you didn't ask for direction in that posting but uh i'm willing to give you

1598
02:03:55,960 --> 02:04:01,880
 you know certain now you give you get direction uh do you want to go ahead it says you've given

1599
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:07,640
 your direction yeah i mean it's going to city council for presentation in a couple of hours

1600
02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:17,560
 and then you support that you support it going to council okay how about you yeah okay uh yeah uh me

1601
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:26,200
 too i would just suggest that uh probably the citizen input that came to me has come to other

1602
02:04:26,200 --> 02:04:32,360
 council members as well and so the extent that you want to you know just be prepared to address

1603
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:48,840
 those points so much of those studies are very they're focused on an intersection or two or three

1604
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:54,360
 intersections and it doesn't necessarily look at the holistic picture so it becomes very

1605
02:04:54,360 --> 02:05:01,080
 intersection specific and what are the intricacies of that area versus somewhere else great thank you

1606
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:04,840
 and i look forward to hearing the presentation to see if it's completely different in a couple of

1607
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:14,920
 hours i've got time thank you okay moving on to img staff reports

1608
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:32,040
 i don't want to pull up the matrix we've changed the name of matrix because we had some naming

1609
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:40,280
 issues we just say i don't have any consideration that would you change it from in two he just did

1610
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:49,640
 like us calling him neo that was part of it so as you can see i think the first few items they're

1611
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:56,840
 more of ongoing i think dct regularly hearing that and these two or three items they're part of the

1612
02:05:56,840 --> 02:06:01,800
 big picture mobility plan that's mobility presentations are coming to work session items

1613
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:09,800
 and coming months from below and the right turn lane versus bike lane that is at university

1614
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:21,000
 i believe that was the issue it is a typical lane but it's a

1615
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:28,920
 it's an intersection where

1616
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:36,760
 you typically have a right turn lane and a bike or a through lane a shared through right

1617
02:06:36,760 --> 02:06:42,520
 lane and a bike lane next to each other it's it's on most of our bike routes so one of the

1618
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:49,160
 things we can look at is more signage or some striping that you know alludes to traffic that

1619
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:55,160
 hey when you're turning be aware that there's a bike lane and since you're merging into biking

1620
02:06:55,160 --> 02:07:00,920
 this is fairly typical and i can have brian talk about the merging or mark talk about it but i think

1621
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:07,720
 the question was the conflict between the right turners and the bike yeah people try and use that

1622
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:13,480
 as a three lane intersection so they stay in the main lane if they're going straight and they get

1623
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:18,040
 in the bike lane to make a right hand turn typically maybe we need the green paint that we use

1624
02:07:18,040 --> 02:07:25,320
 on carroll and that might be a solution that typically the law requires them to merge into

1625
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:31,000
 the into the bike lane before they can make it right so this is a merging area that's why you

1626
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:38,040
 can see this area it's not a solid line and i can have brian talk in detail about this striping but

1627
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:43,800
 typically what is required per law is they merge into this bike area and this becomes a merge

1628
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:51,560
 mixed use or used by both a bike bicyclists as well as vehicles this area is used for the right

1629
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:56,200
 turning vehicles so if you're turning right you're required to merge and then make a right so that

1630
02:07:56,200 --> 02:08:02,120
 you're not cutting off or getting in conflict with the bicyclists that coming in the bicyclist sees

1631
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:07,400
 you in that particular area because they you now notice that you're turning right so this is this

1632
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:12,760
 is required for the bicycle for the vehicle to merge into that area it's not necessarily required

1633
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:19,000
 for them to stay there and act and and use that as a third lane which is what i think is what is

1634
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:24,440
 happening so yes i think a little bit of paint and some striping that says shared use only for

1635
02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:30,440
 right turners or something like that that's something that we can look into once we implemented we'll

1636
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:39,480
 come back and give you a quick update but that's that item getting into there are four items that

1637
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:48,600
 we'll be bringing in next meeting and those will be item six which is the policy if we have any

1638
02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:55,320
 and what is our policy according to police department and bicycle enforcement item seven

1639
02:08:55,320 --> 02:09:05,000
 i think we are currently going back and forth on a resolution and legally getting ready to agree

1640
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:13,000
 with the terms of the turn back agreement and then the other two items is items are number nine and

1641
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:20,280
 number 12 update on small transportation projects and number 12 is sidewalk connectivity so we'll

1642
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:27,480
 bring those back next time we get together i do have an update on item 10 which is the speed

1643
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:36,280
 studies we conducted speed studies earlier this year on kings row nottingham and winzer and except

1644
02:09:36,280 --> 02:09:44,760
 for kings row i want to say kings row was slightly above the 85th percentile was 32 or 33

1645
02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:53,080
 it's slightly above the speed limit on kings row what rest of the rest of the speed studies or

1646
02:09:53,080 --> 02:09:59,800
 surveys showed that they were under 30 miles an hour so the 85th percentile on nottingham as well

1647
02:09:59,800 --> 02:10:07,800
 as winzer was under 30 miles an hour so that was the result based on the speed study we can conduct

1648
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:15,880
 more studies but we're typically we try and conduct these i think there was a slight change before

1649
02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:21,800
 police department was doing some of our studies but now traffic engineering has taken that over

1650
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:27,320
 so they will be depending on the request depending on the need they'll be connecting traffic speed

1651
02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:34,040
 studies just to update our inventory and make sure that our speeds are posted at the right speed

1652
02:10:34,040 --> 02:10:42,040
 any questions you can add yeah open to additional so you guys go first

1653
02:10:42,040 --> 02:10:54,600
 that's what we're great i've been getting comments this is going to be a little unfocused but i want

1654
02:10:54,600 --> 02:11:01,560
 you to respond to it however you will i think i've comments that we do a new road construction and

1655
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:07,320
 they get wobbly before you know and very soon they become wobbly here's a perception well use oak as

1656
02:11:07,320 --> 02:11:14,680
 an example that's recently redone and you know it seems to be kind of an undulating ride and the

1657
02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:25,480
 perception is that there are not just there but perhaps elsewhere that we take a uniform approach

1658
02:11:25,480 --> 02:11:31,880
 to the engineering when there may be underlying differences in the the soil level you know the

1659
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:38,360
 composition of the soil so that you know things quickly settle unevenly and again it was wobbly

1660
02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:48,760
 roads perception so i'd be interested in hearing the future session if you think there's any truth

1661
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:55,240
 to that if there's any changes if so if you think there are any changes or are there changes underway

1662
02:11:55,240 --> 02:12:02,600
 at this time in in our engineering approach to that to the soil level wasn't positive so that

1663
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:09,160
 asked me well i'm not wrong if you choose to but i think i can at least get there a little bit of

1664
02:12:09,160 --> 02:12:13,880
 the way and if we need to go further we can come back to another time absolutely the biggest issue

1665
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:21,000
 with some of these roads is if it's a reconstruct that's a big term to throw out there as a program

1666
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:30,440
 not all roads are completely reconstructed so it ends up happening in some cases is and oak is one

1667
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:37,400
 that predates me so i don't know exactly to what extent they went to if we were doing it today

1668
02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:44,760
 we would do what we call geotechnical core samples and a lot of times you'll see even the state do

1669
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:51,800
 this so you'll see the state come in and reconstruct a road from the base up we discovered this just

1670
02:12:51,800 --> 02:12:57,480
 recently talking to the state they only do test force to the bottom of the pavement when they're

1671
02:12:57,480 --> 02:13:04,760
 going to reconstruct so they're not looking into what's going on below ground is that a good idea

1672
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:11,800
 well no so and that has been a common practice across the state when they're just reconstructing

1673
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:17,640
 an existing road what we do right now because especially with the source we have here so all

1674
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:23,800
 of our projects go at least 15 16 feet down sometimes even further the roadway depth is

1675
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:28,520
 actually if it's asphalt it's going to be somewhere around 24 inches total to get to the base

1676
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:33,880
 concrete is going to be a little narrow about 18 inches so they're only going about that far

1677
02:13:33,880 --> 02:13:40,520
 that we're going 15 16 sometimes if we see groundwater we may even go further we don't

1678
02:13:40,520 --> 02:13:45,640
 reach rock and any in a shorter time frame we think it's there we may be going deeper just

1679
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:51,880
 figuring out where all the material is and understand do i have high sulfates in the soil

1680
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:57,080
 yeah sulfates that was the one yes yes so i because that will make the base turn into a

1681
02:13:57,080 --> 02:14:05,480
 muddy mess quickly so today we absolutely go at core everything much much deeper it's infinitely

1682
02:14:05,480 --> 02:14:10,280
 cheaper to do a five or six hundred dollar test hole up front and not have to come back and

1683
02:14:10,280 --> 02:14:15,240
 completely reconstruct the road later actually i'll take another example it kind of comes under this

1684
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:22,440
 heading montecito i understand that well okay citizen perception there's an underground spring

1685
02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:26,120
 that like if people have been around for a long time they would have known that

1686
02:14:26,120 --> 02:14:32,120
 the new road is already cracking i haven't gone look at it myself but does that sound familiar to

1687
02:14:32,120 --> 02:14:37,560
 you and is that another example of not having there was another one that was that kind of predates the

1688
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:41,880
 current staff so i don't know what measures they took when they started the reconstruction pathway

1689
02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:47,400
 yeah uh i know it through a bunch of little months here a bunch of my neighbors for a curve when

1690
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:54,120
 when we came out and topped it again here this last summer like we're just out here three years

1691
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:59,400
 ago what are you gonna get all right that's that ongoing maintenance of asphalt roadways some of

1692
02:14:59,400 --> 02:15:06,280
 that happens the pavement dries out we do have a lot of swimming pools in that neighborhood as well

1693
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:13,080
 that we're not exactly sure how they drain so i do know there are some other factors at play in that

1694
02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:19,320
 area i don't doubt that there's some springs and some other things in the area but what we would do

1695
02:15:19,320 --> 02:15:24,360
 today reconstructing that roadway is what i just described would it be doing test holes try to

1696
02:15:24,360 --> 02:15:29,800
 identify where groundwater is so we can come at that and have better ways of feeling about that

1697
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:38,120
 you can add emerson to that list of um streaks that have no no no that have underground springs

1698
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:45,400
 because that's really really up and down i don't know if that has been proven or not but that's

1699
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:50,440
 what's it well and that's exactly why we do those very deep test holes to start identifying all the

1700
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:56,040
 materials that make up the soil column as well as any groundwater that may be pervasive in the area

1701
02:15:57,560 --> 02:16:04,600
 so so adding to the matrix of a number of streets that you want us to get ports on or i mean i just

1702
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:09,960
 don't want us to get too far out of posting well do you think there's more to say on that or if we

1703
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:14,680
 just addressed the question you know like that whether it's anything you want to take a closer

1704
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:20,360
 look at come back or i feel like we've addressed it but we'd go out saying our practice is not to do

1705
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:24,920
 it is totally changed from what it would have been before we got here and that we go out to test

1706
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:32,440
 deeper and more frequently than what was done in the past so i think we've addressed that

1707
02:16:32,440 --> 02:16:38,200
 time will tell on that but the practices you're seeing across the stage people are recognizing

1708
02:16:38,200 --> 02:16:44,520
 that if i do significant amount of geotech work up front which we do then i resolve a lot of those

1709
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:49,960
 issues actually i'll give you just take one more uh swing at this another version of the comment

1710
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:58,200
 that i hear is our local roads don't seem to when they're really done don't seem to last as long as

1711
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:04,600
 the state ones when we could go to their specs that might be something we need to talk about

1712
02:17:04,600 --> 02:17:10,760
 on like that that sounds like a bigger conversation so maybe we should just have a

1713
02:17:10,760 --> 02:17:14,680
 we could just add to the matrix we'll just okay the city standard versus state

1714
02:17:14,680 --> 02:17:20,840
 state design standards so city city standards versus things that i would i imagine it would be

1715
02:17:20,840 --> 02:17:27,080
 different but be an interesting discussion sure right appreciate that uh anything else for the

1716
02:17:27,080 --> 02:17:32,680
 matrix uh for the matrix but we've got street and one of those street closer report on that

1717
02:17:32,680 --> 02:17:39,000
 yeah i was just going to say you could take 11 off because we talked about that today

1718
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:43,640
 unless just if you guys could give us a brief update after the meeting with the

1719
02:17:44,840 --> 02:17:53,160
 and that's pretty much we close it all out okay so let's move on to g2

1720
02:17:53,160 --> 02:18:07,880
 any questions this this is just yeah this is just a minor one

1721
02:18:10,280 --> 02:18:17,480
 unless it got changed yesterday afternoon the signs for the detour for forest bridge

1722
02:18:17,480 --> 02:18:23,960
 still show that northbound is closed through november 10th so we just need to update the

1723
02:18:23,960 --> 02:18:30,600
 date on those signs that people yeah we got that we heard that from a couple of folks we'll make

1724
02:18:30,600 --> 02:18:35,240
 sure that we're doing a better job of policing those when changes happen in the field make sure

1725
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:43,720
 that they get adjusted and on that safe note um the closure of winter and ankle as well because

1726
02:18:43,720 --> 02:18:50,280
 i know that there's so that's gonna ask a little bit so any update there so

1727
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:57,880
 yeah we have it on the pia we have it on the website but the i'll send that information out

1728
02:18:57,880 --> 02:19:04,680
 we have a flyer that defines when from where to where and when to when right no i saw that

1729
02:19:05,640 --> 02:19:11,320
 it's just that there it was supposed to be closed and it was not closed yet correct the issue was

1730
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:18,840
 we're trying to uh and i think we talked to councilor melter about that due to whether they

1731
02:19:18,840 --> 02:19:27,080
 were not able to pay the detour route and that's why i kept on postponing with rains last week

1732
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:35,960
 and then postponed so we were not we were holding the contractor up because we wanted to close it

1733
02:19:35,960 --> 02:19:42,040
 after the detour was paid in so there were payment missing between the head lead all the way to the

1734
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:47,560
 south connection right now to the good samaritan so all of that pavement was supposed to be placed

1735
02:19:47,560 --> 02:19:53,000
 before the they closed with that's why there were some delays they couldn't pay it because it was

1736
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:59,480
 too wet to uh the conditions were pretty harsh last week and it dried out later on and then they

1737
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:04,920
 will be able to pay that now it's pretty closed maybe the impression impression that the windsor

1738
02:20:04,920 --> 02:20:11,880
 part of that equation was sort of not very movable because it's a drainage issue so what happens now

1739
02:20:11,880 --> 02:20:19,720
 that we've moved it so we've the the date has been shifted it's the it's just that the detour still

1740
02:20:19,720 --> 02:20:23,400
 continues going south through the neighborhood well i understand the detour part i'm just saying

1741
02:20:23,400 --> 02:20:29,720
 i thought there was like uh kind of urgent time pressure on doing the winter closing we were

1742
02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:34,040
 trying to get all that in before the weather took effect and now we're going to be battling the

1743
02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:39,960
 weather while we're doing it we were doing our best to try to take advantage of the last kind of

1744
02:20:39,960 --> 02:20:45,000
 good weather we had but it's the last piece of that drainage we got to get in to be able to really

1745
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:52,600
 fully pave everything so it's it's got to get that in just to make all this work okay so we're trying

1746
02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:57,960
 it's still urgent to us pretty it is still urgent and but we're still battling the weather yeah

1747
02:20:57,960 --> 02:21:01,080
 okay anything else on street closure report

1748
02:21:09,320 --> 02:21:17,560
 okay um concluding items anybody anything in that case uh i'm on the list yeah but i'll uh

1749
02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:26,360
 close the meeting then at 11 21 according to the computer thanks everyone