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 Okay good morning everyone we are here at our Mobility Committee meeting Wednesday December

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 17th 10 a.m. in our council work session room first thing on the agenda is citizens comments

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 on agenda items all right we're not seeing any citizens comments we do have a quorum

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 available I will move on to item two items for individual consideration MC 25062 consider

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 approval of the minutes November 19 2025 in a motion for approval of minutes any discussions

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 on that all right all in favor okay any ups or no's any no's no okay so we'll move that

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 on MC 25057 receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the Denton sidewalk and bike lane

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 prioritization to introduce and share information on prioritization methods for developing and

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 improving the sidewalks and bike lanes in the City of Denton thank you good morning

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 chair and committee mobility I'm Roya it's me 90 senior planner bicycle pedestrian and

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 ADA City of Denton I'm here to present Denton sidewalk and bike lane prioritization effort

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 this is study intense to enhance the mobility accessibility and equity throughout the City

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 of Denton particularly for those who walk and bike quickly overview of what our car

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 today the background of this effort prioritization methodology and I will go through the implementation

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 plan and outcomes and results of this effort what's the intention of this study Denton

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 is growing fast with more people and activities we make we need to make sure that the infrastructure

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 keeps up as well because we cannot fix everything at once we need to build a very comprehensive

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 systematic approach that consistently and in a comprehensive manner identify those investments

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 that should come first in terms of biking and walking this map is showing the current

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 condition of bike lanes in City of Denton currently we have around 90 miles of bike

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 lanes throughout the city mostly concentrated around the downtown area and around the UNT

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 and Texas Women's University but the coverage are limited in East neighborhood and north

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 of 380 it means that residents of Denton cannot rely on biking as a commuter mode of transportation

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 for their daily travel currently we have around 470 miles of sidewalks throughout the City

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 of Denton more than 24 miles of trails however the audits show that around 35% of these sidewalks

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 are considered with poor very poor condition it means accessibility barriers particularly

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 for people with disabilities the staff we use a three-step approach to prioritize the

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 projects in terms of biking and cycling the first step is developing a standardized set

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 of criteria to score and rank those projects that should come first in the second phase

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 the staff will collect and gather the community input revise the criteria and the approach

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 based on the values and priorities of the residents in community input and then finalize

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 the scoring approach and finalize the list of final projects and at the third step we

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 will implement the highest ranked projects in the city during the time this study directly

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 support the City of Denton's comprehensive plan and mobility plan goals and objectives

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 those recruiting terms and plan and comprehensive plan are considered and safety equity accessibility

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 connectivity multi modality and active travel modes so the style will ensure that consider

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 all of these goals when developing the criteria for ranking the projects here is a list of

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 the criteria six criteria including safety equity accessibility connectivity trip potential

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 and multi modality this slide outlines the six criteria and how the staff will measure

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 it to rank the bicycle and pedestrian projects for instance safety focuses on pedestrian

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 and bicycle crashes and decreasing these crashes by targeting the hot crash spots or equity

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 evaluate and consider these projects consider the disadvantage communities and the communities

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 that are vulnerable by going through census based data identify low income people people

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 with no vehicles accessibility evaluates the compliance with ADA so projects selected in

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 a case that will be usable for people with all types of abilities connectivity looks

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 at to what extent these projects can fill the gaps in current network of the city in

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 terms of walking and biking trip potential considers those places that currently have

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 higher demand for walking and biking and those places in the city that potentially could

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 have demand for walking and biking and multi modality prioritized projects based on those

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 that can improve access to public transit based on the distance to travel bus stops

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 public engagement shape our work in different steps of this work we will gather and collect

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 the feedback from public because the previous service and workshops indicated that residents

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 have some values and priorities towards biking and walking for example they need safer routes

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 to school or biking lanes to recreational activities to parks school and university

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 so we will make sure that consider the engage the public engagement consider their feedback

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 into our criteria and prioritization methodology this slide outlined the implementation plan

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 in three phases in short time that it's the current step of the projects we're working

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 on developing the criteria refining the criterion approach and collecting the public input and

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 their feedback towards these criteria in medium term by mid 2026 we have a list of finalized

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 and scored projects based on internal external stakeholders feedback and during the time

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 in long term in two to six years we will implement those projects that have scored as the highest

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 priority projects in terms of walking and biking of course that we will do monitoring

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 and be flexible in adjusting and changing if any conditions change so we will fix and

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 change the criteria or any steps that is needed to be changed this slide shows the outcome

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 of these projects the very initial outcome of these projects will be a priority map dashboard

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 that brings together different and multiple set of data into one single visualized tool

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 that the staff can look at it and can identify what are the most important parts of the city

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 for investment in cycling and biking second we can identify the gap maps in the network

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 and third we have a list of scored projects that can guide the city in terms of the future

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 improvements of biking and cycling following this approach we will make sure that we are

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 following a systematic and data driven approach we are engaging and incorporating public feedback

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 towards biking and cycling investment and also we are following the goals in city of

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 the entrance comprehensive plan and mobility plan thank you so much I will be happy to

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 address any questions thank you very much that was very informative I'm going to start

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 on this end because we know we want to give you any questions any comments I appreciate

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 it and you're our resident walker I am a walker and so I know that the pedestrian part

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 would be very important to you is there anything you wanted to comment in regards to the areas

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 I only walk in areas where there's sidewalks or I walk at that big church parking lot but

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 I find the sidewalks that I'm on are really in pretty good shape okay yeah and that's

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 in the eastern sector of the city yes it's like the southeast I guess the southeastern

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 part yeah it's out the 380 yes yeah okay please tell me about about how sidewalks are rated

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 poor and very poor is it is it the quality of the of the concrete is it the connectivity

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 is it the placement of them where they are tell me about how sidewalks are rated yes

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 thanks for your question very good question yes based on the ADA transition plan the sidewalks

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 are currently rated in different ranks but usually the criteria that will be used is

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 missing ramps missing sidewalks in one side or both sides definitely uneven surfaces cracked

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 pavements these are those criteria that has been considered but but for this effort we

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 will follow with transition plan ranking of sidewalks on Carroll Boulevard for example

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 sidewalks just stop there they're they're going along and they simply stop is is that

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 is that consideration yes this be considered as no sidewalks so it will have the higher

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 rank in terms of accessibility because it doesn't have so it is stopped to sidewalks

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 yes it has higher ranked in prioritization because it doesn't have sidewalk okay okay

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 I'm also curious about pedestrian and bicycle crashes I've crashed plenty of times on my

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 bicycle and I don't remember ever reporting such a thing how are those how are those things

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 tallied for crash data we will consider the crease data that is the very formal data it's

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 coming from the crash information system throughout the system also throughout the Texas also

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 the city has purchased Dioxie system for reporting crash and collecting crash data that will

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 be implemented from next month in addition to that if for these types of informal crashes

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 we will have some public engagements focus group discussions and interviews with a sample

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 of residents that we will hope they mention these types of incidents but we will go through

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 the formal reported crashes from crease data or Dioxie system would emergency personnel

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 need need be contacted to make to make this this list sorry can you clarify it ambulance

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 would would would obviously that's that that that would be reported yes would that is that

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 is that how it would make would make the list maybe I could address this question good morning

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 chair and committee members for Han but deputy director transportation services yes so that

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 is part of the process so we have Chris database we have Dioxie software or application that

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 will have additional local coverage for many crashes and in addition we rely on police

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 reports as well or any emergency response reports that are generated and plus this will

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 be further complemented by I think there'll be supplementary data available from public

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 engagements as well I see okay very very good thank you thank you chair of course we're

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 going to get some long names for these these acronyms here yes Chris yes I system yes of

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 course my my my it's not a consternation and not even necessarily a concern but I certainly

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 want to put this out there I am having some questioning about the criteria is safety equity

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 accessibility those are all in priority order right yes ma'am so when I'm looking at accessibility

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 before I mean after equity I'm want to question that and I'm looking at equity being disadvantaged

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 communities versus accessibility meaning every community so how does the equity comes before

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 the accessibility and sorry for misunderstanding it doesn't mean that based on the order this

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 is not based on the order all of them are in the same ranking the safety equity accessibility

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 connectivity is just the format of this presentations okay yeah okay so yes definitely accessibility

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 is yes as the same oh well that you know that makes more sense to me because ADA for yes

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 it's very important the missing grams yes yes this is something that we consider for

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 scoring the projects based on ADA transition plan okay so and to his same point sidewalks

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 just stop I'm thinking of a sidewalk that is on Audra that goes along and then suddenly

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 it doesn't make it to the to the corner yeah or there's a new neighborhood that comes in

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 and they do their little sidewalk situation and then you know it's not connected to anything

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 and it just stops can the community do a three one one to request that the sidewalk is at

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 least completed to the street and there's no sidewalk on the other side so that puts

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 people on the sidewalk and then they're in the street to get to the curb you don't do

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 a left or right turn and go on to you know no sidewalks so how does that work for a community

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 member to request the completion of a sidewalk is that is a possible now or is this part

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 of the plan yes yes yes so Denton 311 would be an option okay and that would be the first

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 option for the community members to contact staff and staff can respond but in many cases

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 we will look for these gaps during the prioritization process and try to address them on priority

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 but in many cases there are other factors that come into play for example utility work

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 is needed there and then if that has to go then any implementation of sidewalks need

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 to wait before that work is completed otherwise will be we staff won't be able to work on

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 two different projects in parallel so I think some of those factors would be there but generally

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 yes Denton 311 would be the first point of contact now there's certain areas where sidewalks

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 are missing and I can just only assume that whoever built I'm going to use this church

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 for example that's on a corner this church was put in but there was would there be would

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 there have been a requirement to put a sidewalk along with the new development of a facility

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 because I noticed that there is no sidewalks when there is no facility but then when there

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 is a facility there's still no sidewalks how does something like that come into play I'll

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 have to look at that particular case and review if what got included but generally new developments

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 have to include sidewalks generally yes did you all have any consternation with your prior

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 knowledge of streets I mean not streets but sidewalks and pedestrians I know we've had

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 sidewalk you know people in here before I've been on the council long enough to see you

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 know people that have worked you know in the sidewalk and pedestrian business and bicycle

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 business are you all or did you all have enough of that to feel comfortable or are we starting

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 all over again no we are for sure not starting all over again there's as mentioned in doing

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 the presentation there are significant there's significant coverage in the city of Denton

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 already when it comes to sidewalk in many neighborhoods and we are just not reinventing

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 the wheel we are just improving it improving the process but the process continues city

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 has been developing sidewalks on in many areas and this process will continue it's just that

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 we are using a robust prioritization methodology now okay improved okay an improved methodology

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 oh let me finish my couple of questions then I'm gonna come back to you okay okay um what

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 is your anticipation when you get ready to do this net this neighborhood the neighborhood

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 conversations and taking it out to the neighborhoods I know everything is generally kind of end

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 up in a I'd say negative light but you know and that's because people are not aware and

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 there's no education involved in it I got that part but what are you I mean we're talking

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 about sidewalks and we're talking about you know doing things better what what's what's

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 your anticipation for your community engagement from the negative perspective what could someone

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 complain about that you all can be prepared to answer for yes all comments are important

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 positive or negative okay so we will we are ready to take them and we are ready to look

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 into those I would say critique staff understands that critique is not necessarily negative it

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 helps us improve our processes and informs us of any gaps to be filled all right thank

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 you on page two I mean on slides well you had mentioned something about important parts

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 of the city that was your words important parts of the city what does that mean to us

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 when you say we're going to look at the important parts of the city sorry I heard you say something

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 in regards to it and we're going to I guess prioritize or look at I didn't write the word

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 that came in front of important parts of the city but you use the term important parts

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 of the city what does that what does that mean to us yeah so that would be downtown

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 core okay yes so that's where we start and then from walkability standpoint and accessibility

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 standpoint presence of multimodal enhanced multimodal network that's activity center

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 for city and that's where we start the most active part of the city yes okay thank you

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 oh yes okay that was your question okay good good I'm glad we're on the same page see you

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 got to have the people I'm done yes sir hi thank you chair first I want to say Dr. Imanani

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 I love the the breakout as a member as I go said good job and clarifying goals and metrics

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 that you're going to pursue and looking at future deliverables I but that we need to

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 do more of that so I appreciate that a couple questions so I want to follow up on the on

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 the chair's point I'm glad she asked that about we've seen over the last few years as

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 our time on council and on mobility there's been a lot of and I want to make I'm glad

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 that we're we're reusing a lot of that information it concerns the community when we we seem

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 to stutter and skip as as we go through bikeped coordinators and we don't want to lose the

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 momentum that we've developed I think is what I was here concerned so I appreciate the chair

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 bringing that up and I appreciate counselor Holland's question but what about the conditions

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 so let me follow up from his question do we have an OCI for sidewalks are we sort of talked

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 around operational conditional index like we do for the streets where you know that's

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 how we're prioritizing street repair do we have an OCI for sidewalks since it is background

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 on historical background that's why I'm I'm addressing these questions and onwards Dr.

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 Manani would be able to address these as she was more more knowledge about cities previous

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 processes yes we have that layer we there's a sidewalk work plan layer that relies on

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 a lot of different factors this question was in particular about sidewalks right yes so

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 yes we have sidewalk work plan layer that is based on prioritize sidewalk projects and

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 we are relying stuff is relying on those that that work plan as well and that has it may

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 be termed differently but it is serving as OCI okay all right do we and I appreciate

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 that at some point if you could throw a document or a link or something like that at the board

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 so that we know where to look for that sort of thing and give feedback back to the community

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 because it's often asked when are they going to fix XYZ and the general answer will be

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 where is it on on this index yeah it will be the general answers so we'll circle back

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 on that perfect but let's let's follow up from that a little bit I was a little confused

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 and it's probably just I haven't had enough coffee or whatever when I was reading the

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 backup but the we had the 50 miles of construction 24 miles of private construction and 37 miles

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 that we did it got but I couldn't tell what was the difference between new construction

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 new construction that we did new construction that developers did reconstruction and when

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 I tried to add up those numbers I couldn't I couldn't get them to add up to to the 50

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 so I'm I'm clearly doing something wrong or not understanding something and so I guess

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 I'm not asking for an answer now unless you could just spout it off the top of your memory

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 but could we get back to the committee construction new construction and reconstruction and and

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 so that we could and then what we're doing and what developers are doing those those

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 categories because it makes it challenging for us to follow the progress anyway it made

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 it challenging for me so that's my gentle request is if we could get those numbers back

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 to the board and staff will research this and provide circle back great this information

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 and in following up we said in the background we had 90 miles of bike lanes that it seems

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 it when I was going through the maps and everything is that Cheryl's plus bike lanes are we adding

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 those together because Cheryl is it really a bike lane because there's vehicles there

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 yeah likely it is including data use paths or side paths that we have and that serve

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 on both both ends but we can look into the statistics and and provide the information

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 that would be helpful I I don't mind aggregating things because you know we have 90 miles of

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 bike accessible infrastructure is one way of saying that but also I think everyone will

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 agree it makes a difference whether it is a bike specific or shared yeah because we'll

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 we'll respond differently if we have to put bollards in or something like that okay one

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 of the things that I have two more questions chair and then I'll be done with this I noticed

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 in the plan that we we tend to be focusing on things that are parallel to streets or

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 parallel to drainages either side paths or trails but we don't have very much bike pad

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 specific infrastructure like say you might see in Europe or Asia where it's like this

00:27:29.520 --> 00:27:37.240
 is just a street for bikes and nothing else in order to facilitate the other planning

00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:44.800
 that Dr. Epimani was talking about so can we is that part of our planning or we are

00:27:44.800 --> 00:27:53.080
 shying away from isolated bike pad specific infrastructure so specific bike pad infrastructure

00:27:53.080 --> 00:27:59.280
 would require it has to be in general traffic engineering we warrant signals we warrant

00:27:59.280 --> 00:28:03.560
 different instrument or interventions that we have to do.

00:28:03.560 --> 00:28:11.200
 In case of specific or exclusive bike exclusive or pedestrian exclusive streets that's a that's

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:19.320
 a concept in Europe very widely used and some in at some location in US as well it needs

00:28:19.320 --> 00:28:27.480
 a lot of bike pad traffic and it would require a certain number of certain threshold before

00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:32.280
 we before staff could look into that but we are happy to look into that while during the

00:28:32.280 --> 00:28:39.240
 prioritization process if the idea is to implement something like this in Denton I'm talking

00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:45.640
 about exclusive bike and pad facilities shared facilities they are by default part of this

00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:50.960
 process sure sure no I appreciate that I appreciate that we need a certain amount of activity

00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:56.360
 to justify the expenditure yeah but yeah it would be helpful if we knew whether what our

00:28:56.360 --> 00:29:02.880
 highest capacity words and whether we need to create a node that's just specific to that

00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.880
 or not I'd love to see that in the future in future discussions last question one of

00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:14.440
 the things and I think this will come back in the design criteria manual item is we do

00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:21.920
 a good job about mapping out the nodes and the edges in our network you could see it

00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:27.600
 there on this specific map where we just talked about whether we need specific exclusionary

00:29:27.600 --> 00:29:34.480
 edges to connect the nodes but one of the things I saw in both this presentation and

00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:40.960
 the one we'll see in a few minutes is we're not really talking about parking infrastructure

00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:46.400
 and I mean bike parking and and so I didn't see the criteria menu I'm gonna bring it up

00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.160
 again there so just whoever's gonna cover that item I'm gonna bring it up again in a

00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:55.920
 few minutes but maybe you could mostly address it now how how are we incorporating parking

00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.640
 for for bike pet infrastructure because if I get downtown and there's nowhere to put

00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:08.640
 my bike then I'm not going to use my bike and we have minimal opportunities for that

00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:16.160
 so how is that in the vision so there was a in previous mobility committee meeting staff

00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:25.920
 presented a bike bike parking infrastructure examples and shared the examples and then

00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:35.040
 there was a pilot project proposed that was budget linked and if there's a approval for

00:30:35.040 --> 00:30:41.560
 for that pilot project this could be launched as a test case so when it comes to project

00:30:41.560 --> 00:30:51.400
 that that could be implemented if the budget is allocated for that and on the on the idea

00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:59.440
 about adding bike bike parking infrastructure to the projects at the development criteria

00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:12.120
 process now we are starting the detailed transportation criteria for next one and a half year that

00:31:12.120 --> 00:31:17.240
 will continue on and many of these changes will be included the recent changes included

00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:22.520
 the significant that short term that we could do immediately because the development community

00:31:22.520 --> 00:31:28.160
 has to be on board as well with these ideas so I think we have mapped all the all these

00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:33.920
 gaps and we are planning to include many of these interventions in the ongoing that we

00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:39.440
 have just kicked off this new transportation criteria manual update and this will be part

00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:44.360
 of it but in the planning process we look for those opportunities and where there is

00:31:44.360 --> 00:31:48.840
 an opportunity we would just recommend to develop very good very good I appreciate that

00:31:48.840 --> 00:31:53.720
 I appreciate the proactive if the answer is sort of on some of these things I love that

00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:57.360
 we're going to bake this into the design criteria manual as we go forward so I guess

00:31:57.360 --> 00:32:05.560
 I won't ask that question here in a few minutes yeah but if they're if if if the three of

00:32:05.560 --> 00:32:12.480
 us at the higher level in council need need to do a budget amendment mid mid-year budget

00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.960
 budget amendments that we do in May and June we'll we'll need to be made aware of that

00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:22.240
 if there's not an opportunity for us to voice and have that discussion so so maybe we could

00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:28.640
 we could bring that up it now or then whatever you want to do Charlie I think in addition

00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:35.000
 to this this is part of what we can add in our public engagement process and the understanding

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:40.600
 of whether parking is a barrier to somebody using the bicycles so as they're doing that

00:32:40.600 --> 00:32:44.760
 public engagement that would be a good opportunity yes to ask those questions of the community

00:32:44.760 --> 00:32:48.960
 as we meet with them now that sound that sounds excellent I appreciate it thank you everybody

00:32:48.960 --> 00:33:00.200
 that's all my questions can I just add a little bit to that the bicycle parking is crucial

00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:07.400
 but the problem with bicycle parking is the theft of bicycles if I could just put my bicycle

00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:13.760
 someplace and I knew it would be there when I come back in two or three hours that that

00:33:13.760 --> 00:33:18.880
 would that would encourage a lot of people to but that's not the but that's not the real

00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:27.400
 world what one has to have not only a facility to leave the bike but some place to lock the

00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:36.240
 bike otherwise it'll it'll it'll go away so that's that that's a huge I realize that sounds

00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:44.040
 like a community engagement conversation well it's it's just it's it's just a situation

00:33:44.040 --> 00:33:50.080
 that you know what when I was and I sound I say this like I go to Europe all the time

00:33:50.080 --> 00:34:00.000
 when I was in Europe once I saw lots and lots of bicycles parked very few were locked and

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:07.560
 a zillion of them and very very little part of the very little locks I thought that was

00:34:07.560 --> 00:34:11.120
 interesting I'm yeah I didn't mean to derail that thank you that's quite all right well

00:34:11.120 --> 00:34:17.260
 we know what kind of people we are if there's not anything else it didn't look like we had

00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:23.500
 any kind of boat or anything so thank you all for your for your conversation thank you

00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:34.680
 both thank you okay so we'll move on to MC 25058 receive a report in the hold of discussion

00:34:34.680 --> 00:34:40.880
 and provide suggestions or recommendations regarding updates to the city of didn't design

00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:58.760
 criteria manual provide suggestions or recommendations good morning chair and members mobility committee

00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:04.080
 I'm Mike Linder drainage engineer for the city and I'll be kicking off our discussion

00:35:04.080 --> 00:35:25.800
 on the criteria manual updates I think there may be there may be some mistake here that's

00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:45.440
 all right I got it here if you wouldn't would have gone through that I probably wouldn't

00:35:45.440 --> 00:36:08.280
 have had a clue going with it okay oh there it is there's Mike all righty sir about that

00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:15.080
 appreciate your patience I'll be kicking off that discussion just a quick background on

00:36:15.080 --> 00:36:21.520
 our design criteria manuals so historically the criteria manuals within the city were

00:36:21.520 --> 00:36:26.840
 all separate documents so we had a separate design criteria manual for solid waste for

00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:36.000
 water wastewater for stormwater for transportation the previous update in 2024 was a really significant

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:41.320
 push where we combined all of these separate documents into one unified design criteria

00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:49.480
 manual matched the format of the development code at that time transportation was still

00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:54.480
 staffing up there were significant improvements and updates made at that time but we knew

00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.640
 there was going to be additional work and updates that needed to come in the future

00:36:58.640 --> 00:37:04.160
 and that's what we're addressing with with this round of updates after this update we're

00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:08.400
 not anticipating any other major updates within the next three to five years so we should

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:18.540
 have a period of stability on the manuals after this these updates this manual affects

00:37:18.540 --> 00:37:23.320
 a lot of different departments within the city it's a really technical document that

00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:28.120
 requires a wide variety of subject matter experts to come together when we're doing

00:37:28.120 --> 00:37:33.080
 these updates review the documents review all the comments that have been received since

00:37:33.080 --> 00:37:40.280
 the previous updates and incorporate those where appropriate after that initial coordination

00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:44.720
 is done we have an internal draft that we send out to all the other departments for

00:37:44.720 --> 00:37:51.480
 review we had a series of large in-person meetings in September where the departments

00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:57.680
 would come and review the proposed edits which produces our finalized draft update of the

00:37:57.680 --> 00:38:03.440
 document which is then posted online presented to development community we present to various

00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:09.600
 professional organizations and bring it before the various boards and committees currently

00:38:09.600 --> 00:38:15.280
 we're anticipating to have a public hearing mid-January with an effective date of February

00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:23.480
 1st 2026 just to add some context on what the design criteria manual is and how it's

00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:29.560
 used within the city the city actually has several different governing documents and

00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:35.240
 there's an established hierarchy to these the highest document which isn't pictured

00:38:35.240 --> 00:38:42.140
 on this slide it's probably the 2040 comprehensive plan which kind of guides the overall aspirations

00:38:42.140 --> 00:38:48.560
 and direction that the city wants wants to go in below that would be our development

00:38:48.560 --> 00:38:55.600
 code which sets policies and procedures for zoning and subdivision regulation it's a planning

00:38:55.600 --> 00:39:03.960
 level document below that is the design criteria manual which is what we're discussing today

00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:12.940
 this is a technical engineering document that sets forth the appropriate engineering methodologies

00:39:12.940 --> 00:39:18.720
 for the design of public infrastructure within the city underneath that is our construction

00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:24.200
 specifications which sets forth the appropriate construction methodologies how to actually

00:39:24.200 --> 00:39:31.280
 build what's been designed and lastly we have the standard details which provide a detailed

00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:40.960
 depiction actual drawings of the infrastructure that's to be built within the city and with

00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:55.560
 that I will hand this presentation off.

00:39:55.560 --> 00:40:00.680
 Good morning chair and committee members Rakeable Island principal transportation planner at

00:40:00.680 --> 00:40:08.080
 city of Denton transportation subdivision today I'm going to present the proposed changes

00:40:08.080 --> 00:40:15.760
 in the transportation section of the this latest design criteria manual update at the

00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:23.280
 beginning at the beginning let me start with the background why which what motivates this

00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:32.000
 update basically our current criteria manual has many typographical error and also is outdated

00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:41.600
 information and also recently the text has updated the roadway design manuals and our

00:40:41.600 --> 00:40:48.280
 city checklist that we regularly use for reviewing our developments are also updated but our

00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:54.360
 current manual doesn't have that so there is some kind of discrepancies there so it

00:40:54.360 --> 00:41:00.920
 creates many confusion among the development communities so to clarify that confusion and

00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:14.720
 make it more clear these changes in that criteria transportation section is needed I'm going

00:41:14.720 --> 00:41:20.000
 to present a couple of the major changes that we are proposing the first I'm going to talk

00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:27.960
 about the inclusion of the new street classification which is major collector generally our collector

00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:35.680
 roads has a smaller right of way 65 feet but here this major collector we are proposing

00:41:35.680 --> 00:41:43.440
 three concept and all of them has right of way with 110 feet and all of them has separate

00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:51.560
 bike lanes and separate walkways for pedestrian and it will have lower speed the reason of

00:41:51.560 --> 00:41:59.520
 adopting or introducing the new classification is because the city is growing and in many

00:41:59.520 --> 00:42:08.840
 developments are coming every month like 10 or 20 if I say and many of them are related

00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:17.160
 dance development concept with commercial centers and multifamily development and single

00:42:17.160 --> 00:42:27.080
 family development and which will have higher activities and our current standards all the

00:42:27.080 --> 00:42:33.320
 roadways that we have articles collector residential street doesn't have dedicated bike lane it

00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:40.560
 has sidewalks or multiuse but doesn't have dedicated bike lanes so to reduce these conflicts

00:42:40.560 --> 00:42:54.400
 regular conflicts or make a safe environment we are proposing introducing that major collector.

00:42:54.400 --> 00:43:01.720
 The next item I want to discuss about the hammerhead turn around when any new development

00:43:01.720 --> 00:43:09.280
 comes we discourage to have dead end road so to eliminate the dead end road we have

00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:18.440
 only one mechanism which is which needs higher spaces very large amount of spaces to accommodate

00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.840
 there are some of the developments we have reviewed where they don't have that much space

00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:27.720
 to accommodate the cul-de-sac so in that case we don't have any alternative in our standard

00:43:27.720 --> 00:43:36.000
 so we are proposing this hammerhead turn around which needs less space than the cul-de-sac

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:47.160
 and this design three options are vetted by our city fire departments.

00:43:47.160 --> 00:43:55.120
 The next item is a turn lane requirement our city standards had turn lane warrant criteria

00:43:55.120 --> 00:44:02.680
 for four lane arterials or four lane roadway system basically but in our city jurisdiction

00:44:02.680 --> 00:44:08.660
 there are several roads arterials which are two lane road so in those cases we don't have

00:44:08.660 --> 00:44:16.080
 any standard at our current criteria manual so I'm including that and taking that from

00:44:16.080 --> 00:44:20.620
 our text or design manual and AASHTO which is basically sent for American Association

00:44:20.620 --> 00:44:25.920
 of State Highway and Transportation Officials they have their standards for two lane roadways

00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:32.840
 if the turn lanes are not so we are going to adopt that standards from this state and

00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.680
 federal manuals.

00:44:37.680 --> 00:44:44.720
 The next item the traffic impact analysis or TIA so as I said our current city of data

00:44:44.720 --> 00:44:50.880
 checklist for TIA is updated but the criteria manual itself is outdated so it has been confusion

00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:58.400
 and also our current criteria manual doesn't have step-by-step process how the TIA's workflows

00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:06.100
 basically so in this update we are clearly specifying what are the steps are if we go

00:45:06.100 --> 00:45:11.480
 to the TIA if the TIA is warranted or not and if it's not how the TIA waiver process

00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:17.200
 is this and everything needs to be recorded all the steps are well coordinated in our

00:45:17.200 --> 00:45:23.160
 this update.

00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:28.700
 The next important element is the in our TIA is the adding the school traffic management

00:45:28.700 --> 00:45:33.720
 plan we don't have it in our current standard we don't have any guideline even in our checklist

00:45:33.720 --> 00:45:39.440
 also so we are putting that in this update because to ensure that the students are safe

00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:45.480
 during the drop-off and pick-up it also reduce congestion and conflicts on surrounding streets

00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.500
 and if you have a plan and also it provides clear and orderly traffic operation for parents

00:45:50.500 --> 00:45:58.640
 buses and emergency vehicles and the next item the Q analysis guidelines this Q analysis

00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:04.700
 guidelines we have in our checklist but it's not in our criteria manual so we are just

00:46:04.700 --> 00:46:12.480
 putting in our criteria manual to have it to make it coherent to avoid any kind of confusion.

00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:19.080
 The third element is in our current criteria manual we have bike bed traffic impact analysis

00:46:19.080 --> 00:46:30.720
 but the thing is in the throughout the development review for a particular project we are already

00:46:30.720 --> 00:46:38.900
 ensuring the city bike plan city sidewalk plan is follow the standard I mean the development

00:46:38.900 --> 00:46:44.620
 follow those standards at the time of the zoning compliance plan or in the civil engineering

00:46:44.620 --> 00:46:50.660
 plan we ensure that if the mobility plan is saying there is a 10 feet trail 10 feet side

00:46:50.660 --> 00:46:55.040
 path is needed they have to build it a new development needs to build it if there is

00:46:55.040 --> 00:46:59.000
 a bike lane separate the new development when they come they have to build it so we are

00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:04.060
 already covering that element you know and also the if there are road work if the side

00:47:04.060 --> 00:47:09.740
 of condition is not good is not compliant the development needs to make it compliant

00:47:09.740 --> 00:47:14.440
 to the current standard and if there is a missing ramp on this on the development side

00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:19.760
 or on the receiving side we ensure that at the civil engineering plan stage they accommodate

00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:24.740
 those ramps so we are already covering those elements in different stages of the development

00:47:24.740 --> 00:47:30.400
 so in the TI we had it based on our previous old standard so it's kind of reviewing the

00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:36.680
 same thing again like twice we are eliminating that element from the TI because we are already

00:47:36.680 --> 00:47:48.280
 reviewing that element in different sections the next item is making some clarification

00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:52.360
 regarding the traffic coming majors because in the developer committee there is some confusion

00:47:52.360 --> 00:48:01.200
 what kind of traffic coming methods city allows and not allows in our current transportation

00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:06.440
 criteria manual we don't have that clearly specified some of them are specified in our

00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:11.840
 fire city fire department code so I discussed with the city fire division and based on that

00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:19.600
 I make it more clear as an example in our cities we allow in any kind of horizontal

00:48:19.600 --> 00:48:28.560
 measures like the lane narrowing curve extension or chicanes this kind of measures we allow

00:48:28.560 --> 00:48:34.040
 but in case of vertical measures we have some limitations the city on any public or private

00:48:34.040 --> 00:48:38.720
 street city does not encourage any kind of vertical measures like the speed hump speed

00:48:38.720 --> 00:48:44.160
 bump speed tables the reason behind because it causes delay in the response emergency

00:48:44.160 --> 00:48:53.160
 response time and it also causes damage to the city fire equipment so we normally don't

00:48:53.160 --> 00:49:00.480
 allow it but the only one exception is with speed cushion we allow speed cushion just

00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:07.760
 on the private street based on the fire and all of this when the developer comes up with

00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:14.720
 any kind of horizontal traffic coming majors or speed cushion they want to put on private

00:49:14.720 --> 00:49:20.160
 street it needs to be reviewed by the it normally get reviewed by the city fire division and

00:49:20.160 --> 00:49:25.600
 the city transportation we both review those and we look into that if it follows the city

00:49:25.600 --> 00:49:39.600
 standard the next item I want to discuss about the on street parking in our standard we have

00:49:39.600 --> 00:49:47.160
 on street parking allowed on residential street and residential collector street but we didn't

00:49:47.160 --> 00:49:52.520
 specifically mention what are the type of parking could be it could be parallel it could

00:49:52.520 --> 00:49:57.920
 be angled or it could be perpendicular parking so in that case what happens that mostly to

00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:05.440
 accommodate more park most parking the developer comes up with perpendicular parking so in

00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:12.440
 traffic perspective point of view it is really it causes safety hazard and it causes more

00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:18.160
 crashes in that case and also our downtown dendro plan doesn't also encourage that so

00:50:18.160 --> 00:50:26.800
 for to facilitate that we are coming these changes that when any street classification

00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:31.640
 has on street parking allowed so which means by default the parallel parking is talking

00:50:31.640 --> 00:50:39.280
 about but in special cases if the developer wants some kind of angled parking or perpendicular

00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:45.760
 parking it needs to be thoroughly reviewed by the city's engineer and approval so that

00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:51.760
 we can put some kind of safety encourage some safety environment for this parking and reduce

00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:58.960
 the crash risk.

00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:06.720
 The current criteria manual doesn't have any specification regarding some bike rack so

00:51:06.720 --> 00:51:14.720
 the ABPP which stands for American Association of Pedestrian and Bicycle Professionals is

00:51:14.720 --> 00:51:23.840
 a nationally known body who works on that bike pad facilities so and bike rack facilities

00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:30.320
 so they have some guidelines so as the city doesn't have any conceptual design plan for

00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:36.920
 the bike decks we are adopting that from ABPP and as you see it has provided some minimum

00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:50.800
 clearance for spacing and also safely maneuvering the bike rack and it also specify to the current

00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:57.000
 standard also specify that the bike needs to be locked not only the wheel but also with

00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:02.680
 the frame also at least two spaces to promote security that and it helps the developer community

00:52:02.680 --> 00:52:08.480
 to design it according to city standard.

00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:13.840
 This is we have for the transportation criteria manual update so the next step for this design

00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:20.160
 criteria manual update to present it at the council hearing and proposed to adoption on

00:52:20.160 --> 00:52:30.520
 the January 13, 2026 and everything goes well then it will be effective on February 1, 2026.

00:52:30.520 --> 00:52:37.720
 Thank you very much and please let me know if you have any questions.

00:52:37.720 --> 00:52:41.000
 Thank you very much, that was very informative, appreciate that.

00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:46.600
 Zykl did you have any questions, any comments, any concerns?

00:52:46.600 --> 00:52:50.160
 No not at this time, not at this time, okay.

00:52:50.160 --> 00:52:53.040
 I might later as people ask other questions.

00:52:53.040 --> 00:52:56.720
 It will come to you, okay.

00:52:56.720 --> 00:53:13.040
 Please I think it's about slide seven, I may be off on that, showing okay six maybe, five,

00:53:13.040 --> 00:53:18.000
 that one.

00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:25.480
 My note was street parking competes with pedestrian and cycling lanes.

00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:36.040
 I'm thinking of Forest Ridge Street for example, there's lanes on each side of the street plenty

00:53:36.040 --> 00:53:44.920
 wide but there's no parking, there's no parking considered for vehicles so when council member

00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:54.040
 Byrd parks her big dually truck on the side of the street it completely torpedoes the

00:53:54.040 --> 00:53:59.600
 pedestrian cycling thing, you know what I'm saying.

00:53:59.600 --> 00:54:05.600
 Is that, I mean I don't see that considered here.

00:54:05.600 --> 00:54:12.920
 Well the width of the street presuming that we're going to, alright for example Carroll

00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:17.760
 Boulevard, nobody would think of parking on the side of Carroll Boulevard, you wouldn't

00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:24.480
 think of it but on Elms, North Elm Street for example, that's common, people park on

00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:26.960
 either side of the street.

00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:36.400
 I'm just thinking with new construction should that be a consideration on street parking

00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:42.920
 so that it would not compete with pedestrian lanes and cycling lanes.

00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:47.720
 I will partly answer that question and some of the portion, I don't have the background

00:54:47.720 --> 00:54:51.560
 or historical information, Chandra will assist me with that.

00:54:51.560 --> 00:54:58.280
 Regarding the new construction, if the road is a residential street and a residential

00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:05.720
 collector street, if it falls in two categories, we have on-street parking in our standards,

00:55:05.720 --> 00:55:16.840
 we have that in our criteria manual and regarding the Forest Street and Carroll Boulevard, Chandra?

00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:20.200
 Good morning Chair and committee members, Chandra, City Traffic Engineer.

00:55:20.200 --> 00:55:26.760
 So this major collector classification applies only for new developments where we have the

00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:28.480
 plan to incorporate.

00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:33.800
 In specific to Carroll, it's a primary arterial in our code so there is no parking allowed

00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:43.300
 at any time and in case of Forest Ridge, back then we had collector roadways, homes fronting

00:55:43.300 --> 00:55:49.960
 those roadways so they could park on those streets but based on our new code, no parking

00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:56.000
 on the collector roadways that accounts for I think more than 11 homes, then you cannot

00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:58.160
 park on those collector roadways.

00:55:58.160 --> 00:56:05.720
 So we have captured those in our previous updates that was not reflected in this update.

00:56:05.720 --> 00:56:12.560
 But we could take a look at it on retrofitting some old streets that has some issues on parking

00:56:12.560 --> 00:56:17.560
 and accommodating bike lanes, that's been a challenge so far, but we could come up with

00:56:17.560 --> 00:56:22.880
 a plan to have one side parking, other side could be a bike lane, so those are some options

00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:24.920
 we could consider.

00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:31.160
 It confuses a lot of people, where am I going to park, we'll park there, well I can't park

00:56:31.160 --> 00:56:36.120
 there, it's a pedestrian way, it's just a confusing situation.

00:56:36.120 --> 00:56:44.320
 So since our new bike person is here, we are bringing in those green paints, those are

00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:49.440
 considerations we are considering so that would delineate which is a bike lane, which

00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:58.320
 is a parking lane in case of Old North or Forest Ridge, so those will give a distinction

00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:06.600
 on which is a bike lane with those paints or markings so we can make it clarity on those

00:57:06.600 --> 00:57:07.600
 ambiguities.

00:57:07.600 --> 00:57:08.600
 Okay.

00:57:08.600 --> 00:57:09.600
 Okay.

00:57:09.600 --> 00:57:10.600
 Thank you.

00:57:10.600 --> 00:57:11.600
 Thank you.

00:57:11.600 --> 00:57:20.360
 I'm intrigued with the hammerhead as opposed to a traditional cul-de-sac, I think that's

00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.360
 the next slide, I think.

00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.360
 There it is.

00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:28.620
 We don't have anything like that in the City currently, do we?

00:57:28.620 --> 00:57:39.280
 We do have for solid waste, it's in the solid waste section for the solid waste truck, but

00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:46.360
 we do not have anything in our transportation section to propose some kind of alternative

00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:52.400
 turnaround when there is a limitation of spacing, because cul-de-sac needs more spacing in some

00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.080
 of the development we don't, they don't have that spacing to have the cul-de-sac and for

00:57:57.080 --> 00:58:04.200
 fire or emergency vehicle, turnaround is a very important, any dead end street should

00:58:04.200 --> 00:58:11.120
 have some kind of turnaround to give a proper, to serve it proper for the fire and response,

00:58:11.120 --> 00:58:12.120
 so yeah.

00:58:12.120 --> 00:58:13.120
 Okay.

00:58:13.120 --> 00:58:14.120
 Perhaps I misunderstood this.

00:58:14.120 --> 00:58:19.560
 Is parking, is parking, pardon me, not parking, forget that.

00:58:19.560 --> 00:58:29.920
 Is around that our houses surrounding the hammerhead examples there?

00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:36.200
 Because when I think of a cul-de-sac, kind of a bulbous circle with houses all the way

00:58:36.200 --> 00:58:38.600
 around it, that's the way I think of a cul-de-sac.

00:58:38.600 --> 00:58:44.160
 Is that the same, is that the same thing?

00:58:44.160 --> 00:58:45.160
 You are right.

00:58:45.160 --> 00:58:50.640
 For cul-de-sacs, you can have houses around it, but this is an option where you have space

00:58:50.640 --> 00:58:56.520
 constraints and instead of a dead end street, we would be requiring these cul-de-sacs to

00:58:56.520 --> 00:59:01.960
 be built for, say, example, solid waste goes in, they pick up the trash, but they cannot

00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:06.040
 turn around, so with this configuration, they can maneuver out of the street.

00:59:06.040 --> 00:59:07.040
 I see.

00:59:07.040 --> 00:59:08.040
 Okay.

00:59:08.040 --> 00:59:09.040
 Okay.

00:59:09.040 --> 00:59:14.480
 I got it now.

00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:19.440
 Is the elimination of speed bumps, is that a new thing?

00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:24.040
 There's been speed bumps all my life, and only recently have I noticed that speed bumps

00:59:24.040 --> 00:59:25.040
 are going away.

00:59:25.040 --> 00:59:28.840
 Am I right?

00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:35.600
 Case by case, and it varies from city to cities, and we don't have speed hunts, but elimination

00:59:35.600 --> 00:59:41.480
 in case of a dip in the roads or if there is bump, we used to use static signs, but

00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:47.440
 some cities might highlight in with the reflective material, hey, you are having a bump or something,

00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.160
 so it all, case by case, it varies.

00:59:50.160 --> 00:59:53.640
 But that's a relatively new, is it not?

00:59:53.640 --> 01:00:01.360
 In the past, they used to have those static signs like a dip and things, but now some,

01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:09.520
 not by manual, but it's based on some cities, they have those thermoplastic reflectors that

01:00:09.520 --> 01:00:15.840
 highlight in it, and even those speed hunts would give you arrowhead signs that says you

01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.480
 are going up and coming down.

01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.240
 That's not exactly my question.

01:00:20.240 --> 01:00:25.280
 Is the elimination of speed bumps a relatively new concept?

01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:31.160
 Yeah, not that we use, but there are some cities that do that based on if they can have

01:00:31.160 --> 01:00:32.160
 the...

01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:33.160
 He means more about fire trucks.

01:00:33.160 --> 01:00:36.400
 I'm sorry to jump in, but he means we're going away from speed bumps.

01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.200
 You all don't want speed bumps, is what his question is.

01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:42.920
 Yeah, that's not in our code to deploy those.

01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:43.920
 Okay.

01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:48.880
 But I think he's probably trying to ask if they relatively new in terms of did this start

01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:52.720
 happening in 1980s or 90s or 2000s?

01:00:52.720 --> 01:00:54.040
 When did we start eliminating speed bumps?

01:00:54.040 --> 01:00:56.680
 Are fire trucks more fragile than they used to be?

01:00:56.680 --> 01:00:58.120
 Thank you, Joe.

01:00:58.120 --> 01:01:02.480
 Are we more cautious with fire trucks than we used to be?

01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:08.080
 What we have been told is it damages their apparatus when they carry like 20,000 gallons

01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:09.080
 of water.

01:01:09.080 --> 01:01:12.160
 I get that, but they carried the same amount of water 20 years ago.

01:01:12.160 --> 01:01:17.600
 Yes, so the damage has been more evident based on a lot of studies that going over speed

01:01:17.600 --> 01:01:18.600
 bumps.

01:01:18.600 --> 01:01:19.600
 Yeah.

01:01:19.600 --> 01:01:20.600
 Okay.

01:01:20.600 --> 01:01:21.600
 Fair enough.

01:01:21.600 --> 01:01:22.600
 Fair enough.

01:01:22.600 --> 01:01:23.600
 Lastly, the parking rack.

01:01:23.600 --> 01:01:32.560
 Can you give me a picture of the parking bike rack thing?

01:01:32.560 --> 01:01:39.480
 That is wonderful, but that will only work if all of the bicycles are parked exactly

01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:41.160
 like that.

01:01:41.160 --> 01:01:47.720
 When council member Byrd parks her bike perpendicular to all these guys, that's going to screw up

01:01:47.720 --> 01:01:54.600
 the whole thing unless somebody standing there and saying that's not the right way to do

01:01:54.600 --> 01:01:55.600
 that.

01:01:55.600 --> 01:02:02.280
 Education, and I don't know how you're going to do that, but that's a great thing.

01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:03.280
 That's a great concept.

01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:04.280
 I love it.

01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.160
 But it will only work if everybody understands how to do it.

01:02:07.160 --> 01:02:08.640
 Mark, here.

01:02:08.640 --> 01:02:09.640
 Sure.

01:02:09.640 --> 01:02:15.480
 Maybe when we install these on a new developments, we could have how to do it in a small kind

01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:16.480
 of instruction.

01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:21.040
 We could place it on there, but -- Yeah, something, something.

01:02:21.040 --> 01:02:31.920
 Even a static foe bicycle that was parked in there, just for example, I'm sorry to pick

01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:32.920
 on you.

01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:36.320
 We can show some images for education on how to secure a bike.

01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:37.320
 Thank you.

01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:38.320
 Thank you.

01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:39.320
 That's all I got.

01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:40.320
 So easy.

01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.920
 How far are we behind on our update?

01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.600
 When was the last time we were updated?

01:02:47.600 --> 01:02:52.160
 Was it 5, 10, 15 years ago?

01:02:52.160 --> 01:02:53.600
 In this process?

01:02:53.600 --> 01:02:54.600
 Mike?

01:02:54.600 --> 01:02:55.600
 Again?

01:02:55.600 --> 01:03:02.960
 The last update was done in 2024.

01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:03.960
 Oh, 2024.

01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:08.320
 Oh, it sounded like it was in the 1900s.

01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:15.800
 That was all the question I had in that regard.

01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:20.040
 Functional classification, new development.

01:03:20.040 --> 01:03:21.040
 When does that start?

01:03:21.040 --> 01:03:25.400
 Does that start like in the next couple of years, three or four years?

01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:32.800
 How far along the lines are we talking about starting this after the engagement, and then

01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:35.200
 we have to put in the process?

01:03:35.200 --> 01:03:38.600
 We're getting approvals.

01:03:38.600 --> 01:03:42.040
 Are we talking about in the next -- at the next development?

01:03:42.040 --> 01:03:44.700
 We got these large developments coming in.

01:03:44.700 --> 01:03:48.720
 Are they going to be prepared for what we're talking about here?

01:03:48.720 --> 01:03:52.080
 So in regards to -- I'm assuming it's the major collector.

01:03:52.080 --> 01:03:53.080
 Okay, yes.

01:03:53.080 --> 01:04:00.200
 We've already implemented one for the east Windsor section from loop 288 all the way to

01:04:00.200 --> 01:04:07.120
 Ferris on the eastern side, but we didn't capture it in our manual as one of the classifications.

01:04:07.120 --> 01:04:11.760
 So if it's adopted, it will go into effect February 1st, 2026.

01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:12.760
 Oh, okay.

01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:13.760
 That's pretty quick.

01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:14.760
 Okay, good.

01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:19.700
 Page 6 hammerhead, I think I had the same question in that regard.

01:04:19.700 --> 01:04:24.760
 I was on slide 6, the hammerhead.

01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:33.600
 I can't imagine the developers planning to develop, you know, cul-de-sacs like this.

01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:40.600
 Is this -- are you all already communicating this with the new developments that are coming

01:04:40.600 --> 01:04:41.600
 in?

01:04:41.600 --> 01:04:42.600
 Yes.

01:04:42.600 --> 01:04:43.600
 Okay.

01:04:43.600 --> 01:04:50.960
 The team are already agreeing to be done, so let's capture it in our language and process

01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:51.960
 and policy.

01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.960
 So that's where we are.

01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:55.960
 Great.

01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:56.960
 Speed cushions.

01:04:56.960 --> 01:05:03.840
 You said something in regards to private streets, speed cushions on private streets.

01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:04.840
 What are private streets?

01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:07.000
 Are those HOA streets?

01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.920
 Yes, HOA streets.

01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:15.920
 If the streets are in shopping complex malls, like Razor Ranch, those are considered --

01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.040
 Then we'll be able to see that?

01:05:18.040 --> 01:05:19.600
 Yes.

01:05:19.600 --> 01:05:20.840
 Okay.

01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:30.240
 What makes up a calming -- I'm talking about calming measures.

01:05:30.240 --> 01:05:36.120
 What's the difference between putting in a speed cushion versus a dip?

01:05:36.120 --> 01:05:38.080
 Are we still putting dips?

01:05:38.080 --> 01:05:39.080
 No.

01:05:39.080 --> 01:05:40.080
 Okay.

01:05:40.080 --> 01:05:41.080
 Okay.

01:05:41.080 --> 01:05:42.440
 Dips are like for drainage components.

01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:44.160
 Oh, that's drainage.

01:05:44.160 --> 01:05:52.200
 Some -- we provide some surface runoffs to go -- where we don't have inlets to capture

01:05:52.200 --> 01:05:55.400
 the water on one side, we funnel it on the other side.

01:05:55.400 --> 01:06:01.760
 So there were -- some instances we were providing it, and some road settlements, it causes natural

01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:11.680
 dips, and even if we fix it with underground water tables that could go back to this original

01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:15.440
 state so where we can add dip to inform the drivers.

01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:17.040
 But it's not a practice.

01:06:17.040 --> 01:06:24.360
 We do it -- So we would be able to capture the opportunity not to put a dip in with the

01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:25.360
 new developments.

01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:26.360
 That's right.

01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:31.680
 We shouldn't see dips other than in our older sectors of our --

01:06:31.680 --> 01:06:32.680
 That's correct.

01:06:32.680 --> 01:06:33.680
 Our city.

01:06:33.680 --> 01:06:34.680
 Okay.

01:06:34.680 --> 01:06:35.680
 All right.

01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:39.520
 That's a good -- good to know because I still kind of see them around, you know?

01:06:39.520 --> 01:06:40.520
 Yes.

01:06:40.520 --> 01:06:43.200
 And those are my questions.

01:06:43.200 --> 01:06:45.600
 Thank you, Chair.

01:06:45.600 --> 01:06:51.560
 I love that, and I'm going to lead off with the -- there was a discussion about paint.

01:06:51.560 --> 01:06:56.120
 Yes, please, because that's a very cheap solution.

01:06:56.120 --> 01:06:57.680
 There's a fair degree of confusion.

01:06:57.680 --> 01:07:02.640
 Forresteridge Old North, you mentioned it, I just want to make sure that I also support

01:07:02.640 --> 01:07:08.400
 strongly being clear to our citizens about what's parking and what's Cheryl and what's

01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:15.360
 bike lane, because you're going to hear it from all of us that our citizens are confused.

01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:17.080
 They're confused.

01:07:17.080 --> 01:07:23.280
 And we -- and paint would be a cheap way of making them less confused, or relatively cheap.

01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:30.800
 I did notice we seem to be conflating sidewalks and side paths, and y'all know better than

01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:36.640
 I do that those are very -- potentially very different things, you know, lacks of 90-degree

01:07:36.640 --> 01:07:42.400
 turns and speed measures that are appropriate for side paths but not appropriate for sidewalks

01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.720
 or vice versa.

01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:51.560
 And I'm thinking of, like, if you look at table, like, 57A, that's -- that's in there

01:07:51.560 --> 01:07:55.600
 very minimally, and you -- but we don't -- but for sidewalks, but we don't really have a

01:07:55.600 --> 01:08:02.080
 side path, 57B, or -- and -- but if you go and look at, like, what is the one for roads?

01:08:02.080 --> 01:08:03.080
 I think it's, like, 53A.

01:08:03.080 --> 01:08:10.360
 It's, like, everything in the world is specified for it, so I think it would be useful as we

01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:16.080
 try to do the bike infrastructure that the Dr. Etmanani is going to be in charge of.

01:08:16.080 --> 01:08:21.920
 I'd love to -- I'd love to see an additional side path table with those geometric values

01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:25.360
 in it just for clarity.

01:08:25.360 --> 01:08:26.880
 I think that would help.

01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:27.880
 Okay.

01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:33.640
 So, I'm also going to have the same questions about the hammerhead or related -- I guess

01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:39.360
 some of them were asked, so I'll narrow mine down to -- for those hammerhead street or

01:08:39.360 --> 01:08:47.720
 cul-de-sac type dead ends, is -- it seems like it's primarily for solid waste and possibly

01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:55.480
 for fire EMS, and so I'm just going to float this out there.

01:08:55.480 --> 01:08:58.480
 Are we designing around our trucks?

01:08:58.480 --> 01:09:04.040
 Are we designing multimillion-dollar neighborhoods around single-million-dollar trucks when we

01:09:04.040 --> 01:09:09.600
 should be designing single-million-dollar trucks around our multimillion-dollar neighborhoods?

01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:14.720
 Are we flipping the math on this one a little bit?

01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:21.760
 Why do we not have -- is there an opportunity to maybe have, especially in downtown quarters,

01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:26.520
 the smaller waste trucks, the smaller fire trucks?

01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:32.880
 And I understand, you know, there's issues with having a large fleet, but I don't want

01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:39.520
 to design around one very narrowly targeted thing, and it goes back to speed cushions

01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:41.120
 and other things as well.

01:09:41.120 --> 01:09:48.120
 So, is that what these are primarily for, is large vehicles getting into small neighborhoods?

01:09:48.120 --> 01:09:54.200
 That's correct, but having different trucks, that's a question for solid waste, and I can't

01:09:54.200 --> 01:09:56.160
 comment, so.

01:09:56.160 --> 01:10:02.000
 I understand that, so I'm going to ask Charlie and other people at his level and up to, in

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:09.040
 your planning, to at least consider whether a fleet solution is a better solution than

01:10:09.040 --> 01:10:13.400
 a build-out solution, and which of those is better, and I don't want us to necessarily

01:10:13.400 --> 01:10:19.000
 keep doing the same thing over and over if there's an opportunity for flexibility.

01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:24.040
 Yeah, I hear your point, and that's something that we can look into.

01:10:24.040 --> 01:10:25.520
 I want to be clear here.

01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:28.040
 I don't think that this is going to be used very often.

01:10:28.040 --> 01:10:32.280
 I think if you're thinking of a typical subdivision type neighborhood that they would have that

01:10:32.280 --> 01:10:35.040
 cul-de-sac because they can put lots around it.

01:10:35.040 --> 01:10:40.360
 This is, in my mind, something more akin to a townhome development where it's like a single,

01:10:40.360 --> 01:10:44.840
 there's one in Audre that I can think of, where it's a single street down to the townhomes.

01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:48.240
 You get to the end of that street, there's townhomes on both sides, you've got to find

01:10:48.240 --> 01:10:53.080
 a way to get around there, and so this is not going to be a very widely used type of

01:10:53.080 --> 01:10:57.960
 thing, but it's in site-constrained areas, so just want to be clear that this isn't probably

01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:02.580
 the model that's going to happen going forward, but it just allows us the flexibility to do

01:11:02.580 --> 01:11:04.080
 that in the case it's needed.

01:11:04.080 --> 01:11:05.080
 This makes sense.

01:11:05.080 --> 01:11:06.080
 No, it doesn't.

01:11:06.080 --> 01:11:07.600
 I appreciate that.

01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:08.600
 My next question-

01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:13.880
 That's a fascinating concept, though, the "which came first" kind of thing.

01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:14.880
 The trucks are the ones-

01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:15.880
 Yeah.

01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:22.920
 Okay, so I'm exceedingly grateful and excited that we are adding erosion controls for our

01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:27.520
 construction and watershed protection, so that whole section that we added in, we've

01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:32.600
 seen it at Old North, we've seen it all over the place where, particularly during the construction

01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:40.960
 phase of new roads and sidewalks and parking, I'm so happy that you're adding those in there

01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:47.800
 because we've just seen houses flooded out, and so lots of praise for having new items

01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:50.400
 like that in the design criteria manual.

01:11:50.400 --> 01:11:51.400
 Absolutely.

01:11:51.400 --> 01:11:55.800
 Because as we- the whole point of the climate- I know this is mobility, not climate, but

01:11:55.800 --> 01:12:00.520
 the whole point of that is we're seeing unusual weather patterns that are changing our development

01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:01.520
 styles.

01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.640
 So, you know, we have street flooding that we didn't have 20 years ago, and now we're

01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:10.680
 having to design for that street flooding, and so I appreciate y'all having that proactive

01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:16.080
 stance on that and putting those into the design standards.

01:12:16.080 --> 01:12:31.040
 Are- I know this is mobility, but it's unclear, are these- are the detention ponds and the

01:12:31.040 --> 01:12:35.880
 street runoff and that drainage, is that under Mobility's purview or some other committee's

01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:36.880
 purview?

01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:42.320
 Who's overviewing the drainage elements because streets overlaps both?

01:12:42.320 --> 01:12:43.320
 Right.

01:12:43.320 --> 01:12:51.680
 So, we did bring these updates before planning and zoning and PUB, and got some feedback

01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:58.080
 from them on the detention aspect and dual use of those ponds.

01:12:58.080 --> 01:13:03.320
 We've also included a list of native grasses that could be used in those ponds, and there's

01:13:03.320 --> 01:13:09.200
 a section carved out in the criteria manual that talks about other alternate uses.

01:13:09.200 --> 01:13:10.200
 Does that address your question?

01:13:10.200 --> 01:13:14.760
 Well, I think I'm hearing- what I'm hearing you say is that PUB and some other committees,

01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:18.480
 but not so much- we're not going to worry about street drainage in this committee, and

01:13:18.480 --> 01:13:23.000
 I just want to stay on target which committee is the right committee to address an issue,

01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.680
 so I'm not going to discuss those.

01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:30.300
 I just want to know where that was.

01:13:30.300 --> 01:13:36.680
 Can staff get back to us about which of the new elements in the design criteria manual

01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:45.440
 are specifically related to Vision Zero, so that we can go back to the public and say,

01:13:45.440 --> 01:13:50.960
 look at these 3,000 things that we put into our design criteria manual changes that are

01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.400
 related to our goals.

01:13:53.400 --> 01:13:58.080
 And so, I'm not asking for this meeting, but can you get back to us on which ones are related

01:13:58.080 --> 01:13:59.080
 to that?

01:13:59.080 --> 01:14:04.040
 Yeah, so staff is drafting an ISR that'll go out ahead of City Council meeting on January

01:14:04.040 --> 01:14:06.640
 13th, so we can include that information on that.

01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:07.640
 I love that.

01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:09.760
 Thank you so much.

01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:17.600
 Okay, so all of us talked about speed cushions, and it's a good segue from the Vision Zero

01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:18.600
 concerns.

01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:24.720
 I think you're hearing us all say, we love our fire trucks.

01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:28.360
 We don't want to damage our fire trucks because the more often they get damaged, the more

01:14:28.360 --> 01:14:31.120
 often we have to use taxpayer money to replace them.

01:14:31.120 --> 01:14:32.120
 That's bad.

01:14:32.120 --> 01:14:33.120
 We agree.

01:14:33.120 --> 01:14:38.720
 Same token, we're trying to, in the times when there's not emergency vehicles and waste

01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:44.800
 vehicles going down the street, which is 95% of the time, we're trying to go back to our

01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:49.480
 Vision Zero goals.

01:14:49.480 --> 01:14:54.880
 It feels like speed, I think we all might agree reluctantly that speed bumps may or

01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:56.760
 may not be the answer.

01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:01.300
 There might be some reluctance to that, but speed cushion seems like that consensus place

01:15:01.300 --> 01:15:06.840
 where you can still get the large vehicles down, and the fact that we're moving expeditiously

01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:12.680
 away from that in our current design standards, I'm not comfortable with, I'll just be honest

01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.000
 with you.

01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:20.360
 Two inches is not going to make a fire truck bounce, but it is going to slow down your

01:15:20.360 --> 01:15:23.600
 residential traffic.

01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:30.840
 I would love to hear some thoughts, comments about, are we being led again on an edge case

01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:36.160
 instead of the primary case on this one?

01:15:36.160 --> 01:15:39.560
 For Hanbat, Transportation Services.

01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:48.760
 This essentially is tied to first response time, and for that, minute or seconds would

01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.360
 count to save somebody's life.

01:15:51.360 --> 01:15:53.000
 That is the first factor.

01:15:53.000 --> 01:16:01.520
 The second factor is the equipment, as mentioned previously, equipment compatibility with that,

01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:06.560
 the guidance that we are getting from our first response service, including folks that

01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:13.520
 are operating ambulances or fire trucks, is that the equipment is not compatible with

01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:17.480
 that kind of, to take that kind of bump.

01:16:17.480 --> 01:16:27.200
 The third aspect is the individual neighborhoods where we are, where we may deploy, the community

01:16:27.200 --> 01:16:28.920
 has to be on board as well.

01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:34.800
 So not, even though technically it may make sense, but the community engagement session

01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:39.920
 would inform us that how the community is looking at it.

01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:45.280
 In previous cases, in some cases, that we found, our staff found that the community,

01:16:45.280 --> 01:16:47.120
 all community members are not on board.

01:16:47.120 --> 01:16:48.900
 So these are the three factors.

01:16:48.900 --> 01:16:54.320
 Transportation Services is open to this discussion, but it is budget heavy because if we are going

01:16:54.320 --> 01:16:57.600
 in that direction, then obviously we'll have to change the fleet.

01:16:57.600 --> 01:16:58.600
 So that's one question.

01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:04.880
 The second is that if, and not only fire trucks, but ambulances as well.

01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.560
 So that is what it is tied to.

01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:13.320
 No, I appreciate that you're being careful, that you're focusing on outcomes and safety.

01:17:13.320 --> 01:17:19.400
 I would ask in that direction, as we develop statistics, we have speed cushions in our

01:17:19.400 --> 01:17:20.400
 town.

01:17:20.400 --> 01:17:21.400
 We talked about that.

01:17:21.400 --> 01:17:24.440
 Some of the other members talked about that already in older parts of town.

01:17:24.440 --> 01:17:30.920
 I would love if I could get some data, and I know it's not you, I know it's EMS, but

01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:36.040
 if I could get some data on response times and damage in those sectors that are servicing

01:17:36.040 --> 01:17:41.800
 places with speed cushions, because if the answer is no change in the response time and

01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:51.600
 no additional damage to our vehicles, then we're not hurting anything.

01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:57.480
 So I'm just saying stay open and maybe come back to us with data is what I'm requesting.

01:17:57.480 --> 01:18:03.880
 We'll circle back with Fire Department, and they should be able to provide the information.

01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:11.160
 And then I had, oh, the street lighting.

01:18:11.160 --> 01:18:18.200
 I love the new section, again, is street lighting covered under utilities or us?

01:18:18.200 --> 01:18:22.720
 And I won't ask any questions if it's not covered under mobility.

01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:24.800
 That item would have gone to PUB.

01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:25.800
 Perfect.

01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:31.440
 Then just again, because it was streets and we do streets, then I'll leave that to PUB

01:18:31.440 --> 01:18:33.240
 to discuss and we'll leave it alone.

01:18:33.240 --> 01:18:34.240
 Thank you.

01:18:34.240 --> 01:18:35.240
 I appreciate that, Chair.

01:18:35.240 --> 01:18:36.240
 All right.

01:18:36.240 --> 01:18:37.240
 Okay.

01:18:37.240 --> 01:18:38.240
 Thank you.

01:18:38.240 --> 01:18:39.240
 Thank you.

01:18:39.240 --> 01:18:46.960
 Okay, we're going to move on to MC 25-063, Receiver a report and hold a discussion regarding

01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:53.960
 the Mobility Plan Boot Camp Part 3 to introduce and share the information on different elements

01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:57.840
 of the Mobility Plan, scheduled for 35 minutes.

01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:06.680
 So this is going to be kind of tight for us to get through beyond this and to be mindful.

01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:20.680
 Good morning, Chair, committee members, Farhan Bhatt, Transportation Services.

01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:26.520
 I'm here to present the Mobility Plan Boot Camp Part 3.

01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:34.180
 In previous Mobility Committee meetings, we have covered Part 1 and Part 2, and this presentation

01:19:34.180 --> 01:19:44.640
 will cover the bicycle and pedestrian plan component of the Mobility Plan and would focus

01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:52.280
 on first on how the Comprehensive Plan guides us when it comes to goals that are linked

01:19:52.280 --> 01:20:03.600
 to the non-motorized mobility, that specifically the Comprehensive Plan Goal M3 specifies that

01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:09.560
 staff should focus on creating a transportation network that allows residents to walk, bicycle,

01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:16.440
 and use other forms of non-motorized transportation for exercise, recreation, and daily commutes.

01:20:16.440 --> 01:20:23.200
 So that is the key overall focus that has been provided by Comprehensive Plan, and this

01:20:23.200 --> 01:20:34.480
 focus is directly tied to Mobility Plan's third theme that focuses on facilitating alternative

01:20:34.480 --> 01:20:40.040
 travel opportunities for the users, road users.

01:20:40.040 --> 01:20:46.440
 And once again, there are nine goals that are overall that are developed in the Mobility

01:20:46.440 --> 01:20:47.440
 Plan.

01:20:47.440 --> 01:20:54.320
 They define the mobility priorities, and so for this boot camp, we are just aligning Comprehensive

01:20:54.320 --> 01:21:03.560
 Plan with Mobility Plan and how Mobility Plan goals are then aligned with the specific theme,

01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:07.280
 and then further we look into the strategies.

01:21:07.280 --> 01:21:14.960
 To begin with, when it comes to third theme, which is about non-motorized modes, prioritizing

01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:23.000
 travel needs of pedestrians, cyclists, and transit users in every project are stated

01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:27.520
 in Goal 8 and Goal 9 of Mobility Plan.

01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:33.340
 And then also it is in a way suggesting that we provide comfortable and low-stress opportunities

01:21:33.340 --> 01:21:43.880
 to walk and bike for all the users within the city.

01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:51.880
 When it comes to Mobility Plan goals, there are two goals, and within those there are

01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:54.040
 Objective 8 and Objective 9.

01:21:54.040 --> 01:21:57.720
 So for Objective 8, there are three subsections.

01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:04.140
 First talks about expanding and enhancing and protecting the bicycle and pedestrian

01:22:04.140 --> 01:22:05.140
 network.

01:22:05.140 --> 01:22:16.840
 The focus is on ensuring that there is availability of bike-ped and bike-ped network that is interconnected.

01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:20.720
 Objective 8B provides end-of-trip facilities.

01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:28.960
 This would include first mile and last mile gaps that are there, and it talks about how

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:36.120
 these networks should fill those gaps and those amenities should be provided to the

01:22:36.120 --> 01:22:37.120
 users.

01:22:37.120 --> 01:22:42.640
 And then encourage sustainable modes of transportation to fill first, last mile trip.

01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:50.400
 This is providing accessibility to those first and last mile trips in terms of feeder buses

01:22:50.400 --> 01:23:00.520
 or some kind of network space and other modes that could be available to the users.

01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:09.120
 Some of the selected strategies among Objective 8A to C talk about building connected and

01:23:09.120 --> 01:23:11.760
 inclusive active transportation network.

01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:17.680
 It also talks about fostering public-private partnerships to supporting bicycling.

01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:26.380
 This would include bike-share programs that are common in many large cities and are effectively

01:23:26.380 --> 01:23:28.920
 used in university towns.

01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:38.360
 And it also points towards identifying citywide infrastructure need that are needed to create

01:23:38.360 --> 01:23:43.800
 interconnected multi-trail system.

01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:51.080
 When it comes to Objective 9, there are three, there are four segments for Objective 9.

01:23:51.080 --> 01:23:56.600
 Objective 9A talks about designing bicycle and pedestrian facilities using consistent

01:23:56.600 --> 01:23:57.600
 standards.

01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:04.520
 So not only the Objective 8 was talking about how the system should be implemented, and

01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:07.960
 the connectivity, the gaps, the first and last mile.

01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:12.520
 Objective 9 is now talking about how do we implement that and what the design standards

01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:13.760
 would be.

01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:18.800
 And it also talks about in Objective 9B to strengthen and broaden safety enforcement

01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.920
 for bicycle or bike paths.

01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:29.560
 So within the designs, how we can look into the systems like bollards or separate lanes

01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:36.520
 or block lanes and door zones, all those considerations are covered in this.

01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:43.600
 Objective 9C focuses on ensuring bicycle and pedestrian facilities remain clean and safe

01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:45.040
 for all users.

01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:53.400
 Again, the discussion on confusion could be also covered in this, where we could re-stripe

01:24:53.400 --> 01:25:00.560
 or paint the bike lanes to ensure that they are clear and they are clear to the users.

01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:07.400
 And then, of course, the cleanliness of the facilities themselves is also in consideration.

01:25:07.400 --> 01:25:12.800
 Increasing the education of bicycle and pedestrian safety, that is indirectly or directly talking

01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:19.800
 about public engagement sessions and awareness programs on what are the needs of the users

01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:25.540
 in the city, within the city, and how systems could be further improved via public engagement

01:25:25.540 --> 01:25:30.580
 sessions and awareness.

01:25:30.580 --> 01:25:36.920
 The mobility plan also talks about pedestrian plan, and it prioritizes walking investment

01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.120
 for safety and equity.

01:25:39.120 --> 01:25:44.960
 This would essentially focus on covering areas that are transportation-disadvantaged communities

01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:52.520
 or vulnerable communities where there are accessibility issues, things such as availability

01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:59.360
 of go zones, if there are zero-car households, or transportation accessibility issues.

01:25:59.360 --> 01:26:04.640
 If there are bike users present, then bike lanes' availability should be there.

01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:12.920
 Providing a visionary roadmap for a walkable city, this potentially points towards developing

01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:15.640
 a walkability index for the city.

01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:21.260
 Staff is already looking into that aspect, and we are, block by block, there's a possibility

01:26:21.260 --> 01:26:27.440
 of developing a tool during the prioritization process where we will look into the walkability

01:26:27.440 --> 01:26:35.640
 index of the core areas, and include that in the prioritization process.

01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:42.520
 And then it also talks about complementing other mobility plans, items, including thoroughfare

01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:45.720
 plan, bicycle plan, and ADA transition plan.

01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:55.640
 The ADA transition plan is core of any pedestrian project because it is from accessibility standpoint.

01:26:55.640 --> 01:27:05.160
 It not only talks about how to provide those detectable surfaces, but also ensuring that

01:27:05.160 --> 01:27:11.000
 the crosswalks are not only for regular users, but they are ADA compliant in terms of pedestrian

01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:16.260
 signals and voice activation and many other guidelines that come with it.

01:27:16.260 --> 01:27:17.920
 And then they are complete.

01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:25.480
 One of the aspects that we are trying to achieve is that the bike, when it comes to ADA compliance,

01:27:25.480 --> 01:27:28.720
 we are trying to ensure that the trip is complete.

01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:37.040
 So any public building or any major attraction near a bus stop, the trip has to be completed

01:27:37.040 --> 01:27:43.800
 for any ADA or special ADA accessibility users from the bus stop to that public building

01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:48.720
 or attraction where that trip would be generated for.

01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:57.760
 And then given the growth and economic activity that we are anticipating within by 2050, that's

01:27:57.760 --> 01:27:59.520
 also core of it.

01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:04.240
 Whatever planning that transportation service is doing will be part of the process.

01:28:04.240 --> 01:28:10.360
 And we have, we are aware of the demographic data sets and how it changes in our region,

01:28:10.360 --> 01:28:12.160
 in our city, in the county.

01:28:12.160 --> 01:28:20.840
 And we are using that data set obtained from NCTCOG for all our planning purposes.

01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:27.020
 And we are, we will be continuously coordinating with the ADA transition plan.

01:28:27.020 --> 01:28:32.160
 That is also one of the core direction that mobility plan provides to the planners, that

01:28:32.160 --> 01:28:38.280
 we have to ensure that all our planning activities are coordinated with the ADA transition plan.

01:28:38.280 --> 01:28:46.180
 And for all our projects, ADA and road safety is an integral part of all the projects that

01:28:46.180 --> 01:28:53.040
 transportation services is planning to implement and even conducting studies for, planning

01:28:53.040 --> 01:28:56.680
 studies for.

01:28:56.680 --> 01:29:07.200
 So when it comes to key bicycle and pedestrian initiatives, transportation services has been

01:29:07.200 --> 01:29:18.040
 proactively applying for funding for many projects all across different focus areas.

01:29:18.040 --> 01:29:25.680
 But as I stated earlier, that whatever projects we apply, we ensure that bike, pad, and ADA

01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:26.680
 grants are covered.

01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:33.520
 For instance, we recently received 2024 Safe Streets and Road for All grant by US DOT that

01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:38.080
 was awarded about $740,000.

01:29:38.080 --> 01:29:44.480
 And a major part of this grant, well, a big portion of the grant would be on, spent on

01:29:44.480 --> 01:29:46.480
 demonstrations projects.

01:29:46.480 --> 01:29:50.320
 And all of those demonstration projects will have bike, pad component.

01:29:50.320 --> 01:29:57.360
 Western Boulevard project has been awarded around $7 million and then there are two components.

01:29:57.360 --> 01:30:02.120
 One is Safe Routes to School and then even Western Boulevard itself.

01:30:02.120 --> 01:30:06.840
 Both of these projects will have bike, pad components in it, in them.

01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:11.800
 The Safe Route to School projects will have, will look into that as well as the Western

01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:13.920
 Boulevard expansion project.

01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:20.800
 We have applied for 2025 TRIP for about $4 million.

01:30:20.800 --> 01:30:22.400
 We are looking at $2 to $4 million.

01:30:22.400 --> 01:30:24.440
 I think the amount is $2 million.

01:30:24.440 --> 01:30:26.680
 I apologize for this mission.

01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:29.280
 And so that has been applied.

01:30:29.280 --> 01:30:39.160
 And if awarded, that will update our mobility plan and also bike, pad component of the mobility

01:30:39.160 --> 01:30:41.680
 plan and ADA transition plan.

01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:49.240
 For all of these three updates, we have bike, pad component as a core part of this update

01:30:49.240 --> 01:30:50.240
 process.

01:30:50.240 --> 01:30:51.240
 And the list goes on.

01:30:51.240 --> 01:30:55.800
 We are also in consideration for Economic Development Assistance Resilience Grant.

01:30:55.800 --> 01:31:01.840
 That will be around $2 million and that will also have bike, pad, the comprehensive plan

01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:06.920
 update process will look into the bike, pad components as well.

01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:10.600
 And so there is a lot of activity that is going on.

01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:17.320
 All of these processes, staff ensures that they are in line with comprehensive plan guidelines

01:31:17.320 --> 01:31:21.480
 and then mobility plan goals and strategies.

01:31:21.480 --> 01:31:27.440
 And then we define our projects within those, within the fold of those goals and strategies

01:31:27.440 --> 01:31:32.000
 that are defined there.

01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:36.480
 For staff, why it is extremely important to align with the comprehensive plan and mobility

01:31:36.480 --> 01:31:44.040
 plan because this gives us direction, this instead of reacting to the situations, it

01:31:44.040 --> 01:31:50.400
 helps us analyze and ensure that are we in line with our comprehensive planning goals

01:31:50.400 --> 01:31:56.440
 and mobility plan goals and strategies or are we just reacting to a short term situation.

01:31:56.440 --> 01:31:59.160
 In some cases, short term situations are important.

01:31:59.160 --> 01:32:05.600
 If it is critical, if it is safety centric, if it can save lives, yes, they get priority.

01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:12.520
 But generally staff tend to align with these mid-term to long-term goals and would prioritize

01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:20.160
 projects keeping those in view and ensuring that we are delivering safe and convenient

01:32:20.160 --> 01:32:25.720
 active transportation system for the road users in the city.

01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:34.000
 That's it, I think that's, oh, there is one.

01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:45.160
 Here is, when it comes to our, yeah, when it comes to our plan, right now we are going

01:32:45.160 --> 01:32:53.920
 through bike lane and sidewalk criteria calibration as Dr. Admonani shared in earlier presentation.

01:32:53.920 --> 01:33:00.560
 So that is anticipated to be completed by the end of January.

01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:05.640
 We evaluate, prepare and submit DCTA trip project that is in line and going parallel

01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:06.640
 by 2026.

01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:13.280
 So some of that time will be used by the end of March, we have to complete that.

01:33:13.280 --> 01:33:18.200
 But at the same time, this work on criteria would continue on the side.

01:33:18.200 --> 01:33:24.680
 And then once we have submitted the DCTA projects, some of those would also be part of the prioritization.

01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:32.680
 We will start looking into the prioritization of projects that are, we have right now a

01:33:32.680 --> 01:33:37.800
 list of projects which includes more than 50 or 60 projects and we will be prioritizing

01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:45.240
 those and coming up with workable, constructable, implementable projects that are prioritized,

01:33:45.240 --> 01:33:50.400
 five or ten shortlisted so that we can focus on those in the short term.

01:33:50.400 --> 01:33:53.400
 And then we will induct those projects into work plans.

01:33:53.400 --> 01:33:58.000
 We will share those with CIP, we will share those with parks and rec if they are related

01:33:58.000 --> 01:33:59.000
 to them.

01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:03.800
 And we will also share with the regional stakeholders, tax dot and NCTCOG, if they can prioritize

01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:04.800
 those as well.

01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:09.400
 In many cases they are looking for projects and they could include them in their work

01:34:09.400 --> 01:34:11.080
 plans as well.

01:34:11.080 --> 01:34:20.560
 We have demonstration by this, all of this activity will be done by May of 2026 and then

01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:26.280
 we are hoping that the rest of the project will, any demonstration project will kick

01:34:26.280 --> 01:34:28.160
 off after that.

01:34:28.160 --> 01:34:33.880
 And we will also be pursuing, continuously pursuing federal and state and local funding

01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:40.200
 opportunities be it NCTCOG, USDOT, tax dot and county, we are constantly in touch with

01:34:40.200 --> 01:34:44.120
 these regional stakeholders and we are looking for opportunities where we can bring more

01:34:44.120 --> 01:34:50.520
 funds to implement these bike path and active transportation projects.

01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:52.800
 And that's the last slide.

01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:53.800
 >> Thank you.

01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:54.800
 Thank you so much.

01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:55.800
 I was very informative.

01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:56.880
 I appreciate all of that.

01:34:56.880 --> 01:35:03.000
 On that last slide, I think I had been asking for this last slide throughout this time as

01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:06.360
 to when all of this is going to occur.

01:35:06.360 --> 01:35:11.360
 I'll take advantage of this opportunity while I'm speaking very quickly to ask about these

01:35:11.360 --> 01:35:13.720
 demonstration projects.

01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:18.640
 Those are going to be some physical, you know, physical things that we can see and the community

01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:25.440
 will be invited in to take a look at these certain things.

01:35:25.440 --> 01:35:30.240
 I don't know, walkability paths and all of that that's going to be all over the city.

01:35:30.240 --> 01:35:34.360
 I mean, what do we, what does a demonstration project look like?

01:35:34.360 --> 01:35:40.040
 >> So once we have a prioritized list, we, so there are demonstration projects that are

01:35:40.040 --> 01:35:47.520
 already in consideration for our SS4A 2024 award for $740,000.

01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:51.400
 And a part of that would be used for a demonstration project.

01:35:51.400 --> 01:35:56.840
 When it comes to demonstration projects, they would be selected from the prioritized projects,

01:35:56.840 --> 01:36:00.960
 one or two projects, depending on the budget allocations, availability of funds.

01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:05.480
 And then, yes, the public engagement process will be an integral part of that.

01:36:05.480 --> 01:36:11.480
 We'll just take those concepts to public sessions and get the feedback.

01:36:11.480 --> 01:36:18.320
 In many cases, if the project is not well-liked, and if it is not safety priority, we'll choose

01:36:18.320 --> 01:36:21.600
 the next available prioritized project and start the process.

01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:29.000
 But in doing so, what we are hoping is that we will be able to demonstrate one fully connected,

01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:37.720
 impactful project that changes the way BikePad is visualized by the road users in the city.

01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:42.080
 And the whole perception, we are hoping that it will change the perception.

01:36:42.080 --> 01:36:43.080
 >> Okay.

01:36:43.080 --> 01:36:44.080
 Thank you very much.

01:36:44.080 --> 01:36:45.080
 That's the only question that I had.

01:36:45.080 --> 01:36:46.800
 Did you have any questions?

01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:47.800
 >> Yeah.

01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:56.620
 So in this process of developing this, okay, for the new construction coming in, are the

01:36:56.620 --> 01:37:02.200
 new developers going to be required to put in these bike lanes and things when they build

01:37:02.200 --> 01:37:06.520
 those roads that they're building all over the place?

01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:08.720
 >> These are context-sensitive.

01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:13.920
 It all depends on what kind of development is there and how large it is, all those discussions.

01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:17.400
 But typically, yes, the large developments, they include those in their plans.

01:37:17.400 --> 01:37:18.400
 >> All right.

01:37:18.400 --> 01:37:19.400
 All right.

01:37:19.400 --> 01:37:20.400
 >> That's what I wanted to know.

01:37:20.400 --> 01:37:21.400
 >> Because we've got some large developments coming in.

01:37:21.400 --> 01:37:22.400
 >> Yes.

01:37:22.400 --> 01:37:23.400
 >> Nothing.

01:37:23.400 --> 01:37:24.400
 Nothing.

01:37:24.400 --> 01:37:25.400
 >> Okay.

01:37:25.400 --> 01:37:26.400
 Great.

01:37:26.400 --> 01:37:27.400
 >> No.

01:37:27.400 --> 01:37:28.400
 I appreciate that, Chair.

01:37:28.400 --> 01:37:29.400
 No, I love the planning.

01:37:29.400 --> 01:37:36.400
 I love that you're doing these things, we can't and letting us know what the vision is, and

01:37:36.400 --> 01:37:43.040
 my only gentle comment is similar to James and that was, or sorry, Member Ziegall's comments,

01:37:43.040 --> 01:37:51.080
 and that is we have development pressures that y'all know and see and live and swim

01:37:51.080 --> 01:37:55.400
 around in on a daily basis more than we could possibly understand, even though we're approving

01:37:55.400 --> 01:38:05.240
 or not on them, and it feels like there are times where we have a comp plan and we have

01:38:05.240 --> 01:38:10.920
 a focus and we're trying to do it, and while we don't want to be rigid, we also seem like

01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:16.880
 we flop around a little bit on our mobility plans, on our bike plans, in response to some

01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:18.360
 of the developments that comes in.

01:38:18.360 --> 01:38:29.880
 And so I guess I'm gently asking us to maybe address how that, how when we are being forced

01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:36.680
 to be reactive, I'm asking us to say, well, this is the impact that this reactivity is

01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:38.280
 going to cause.

01:38:38.280 --> 01:38:42.760
 It's going to cause all these dominoes to do this, and if you're going to do that, that's

01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:50.600
 great, but just do it affirmatively and not accidentally, reactively is all I'm asking.

01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:55.800
 Yes, staff will do that and we are more and more proactively trying to address this issue

01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:59.040
 and hoping that this will continue.

01:38:59.040 --> 01:39:00.040
 Appreciate that.

01:39:00.040 --> 01:39:01.040
 Thank you.

01:39:01.040 --> 01:39:02.040
 Alright, anyone else?

01:39:02.040 --> 01:39:03.040
 Okay.

01:39:03.040 --> 01:39:04.040
 Great.

01:39:04.040 --> 01:39:05.040
 Thank you very much.

01:39:05.040 --> 01:39:06.040
 Thank you so much.

01:39:06.040 --> 01:39:07.040
 We appreciate that.

01:39:07.040 --> 01:39:08.040
 Thank you.

01:39:08.040 --> 01:39:11.040
 I like that plan of action and timeframe, the visual there.

01:39:11.040 --> 01:39:16.880
 MC 25-064, staff memorandum, the side path work plan update.

01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:17.880
 Nutsess.

01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:18.880
 Uh-oh.

01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:20.280
 Somebody's complaining about Seth.

01:39:20.280 --> 01:39:22.680
 No, we love Seth.

01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:24.680
 No, we don't.

01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:25.680
 We do.

01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:26.680
 Alright.

01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:29.680
 No, I don't want to say that too loud.

01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:32.480
 You said it on Michael.

01:39:32.480 --> 01:39:33.480
 Uh-oh.

01:39:33.480 --> 01:39:38.560
 So we'll go ahead and work through the staff memo, so again, the first one was the update

01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:41.160
 to the side path work plan update.

01:39:41.160 --> 01:39:46.520
 So that was covered today by both Farhan in that first presentation that you saw.

01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:50.960
 We do have a couple of items that Transportation Services is bringing forward to council that

01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:51.960
 you can see there.

01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:57.200
 A speed limit change on Mayhill Road and then some changes to the Sam Houston Elementary

01:39:57.200 --> 01:40:01.640
 School Zone.

01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:04.840
 Okay.

01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:10.320
 So Councilmember Beck did catch my math error, so I interpreted the information that my staff

01:40:10.320 --> 01:40:14.600
 provided to me incorrectly on the total lane miles.

01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:19.320
 So total lane miles constructed is 74.8.

01:40:19.320 --> 01:40:30.760
 50.53 of that was done by Capital Projects, 24.27 is new development lane miles that were

01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:32.640
 added by development.

01:40:32.640 --> 01:40:42.460
 And then of the 50.53, 37.72 was done by the 2019 bond program in the neighborhood section.

01:40:42.460 --> 01:40:49.720
 So thank you for catching that, 74.8 is the total lane miles that was reconstructed or

01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:52.600
 accepted by the city.

01:40:52.600 --> 01:40:53.600
 Quick question.

01:40:53.600 --> 01:41:00.840
 The bond, are we done with the usage of the bond for the lane miles for 19?

01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:02.200
 We are not done yet.

01:41:02.200 --> 01:41:08.600
 So 2026 is when we're projected to be done with construction for the current packages.

01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:13.320
 We still have four packages that are going to be unfunded that will be brought before

01:41:13.320 --> 01:41:16.600
 council through the budget process for future consideration.

01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:17.600
 Thank you.

01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:20.600
 Yes, ma'am.

01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:27.880
 Okay and then 2023 mobility minutes, we realized that we had an error when we moved traffic

01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:29.800
 safety and made the new mobility committee.

01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:34.880
 We never brought the 2020 December 20th, 2023 minutes to you guys.

01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:41.240
 So those are attached as an exhibit as well.

01:41:41.240 --> 01:41:43.940
 All right.

01:41:43.940 --> 01:41:47.720
 So next we'll cover the future items matrix.

01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:55.200
 So we are requesting to remove three items, items three and four and then also item 12

01:41:55.200 --> 01:41:59.040
 that was the design criteria manual updates today.

01:41:59.040 --> 01:42:05.960
 Item three is the sidewalk plan and item four was the bike funds project criteria which

01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:08.200
 were covered through a couple of presentations today.

01:42:08.200 --> 01:42:13.320
 Okay and then 12 I see down there the design criteria manual which is what we discussed

01:42:13.320 --> 01:42:14.320
 today.

01:42:14.320 --> 01:42:17.120
 Council Member Begg?

01:42:17.120 --> 01:42:25.000
 So I will make a motion to do this but I thought as we got into the meeting there was a discussion

01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:31.200
 that we, the chair, we were asked to have about votes going forward on this process

01:42:31.200 --> 01:42:33.400
 or are we not doing that, chair?

01:42:33.400 --> 01:42:34.400
 You're the chair.

01:42:34.400 --> 01:42:37.440
 Well and I appreciate you bringing that up because I did have that in the back of my

01:42:37.440 --> 01:42:38.440
 mind.

01:42:38.440 --> 01:42:42.120
 Am I understanding that we're no longer going to do the matrix?

01:42:42.120 --> 01:42:46.440
 I mean we're not going to, we're not voting on it.

01:42:46.440 --> 01:42:47.440
 Right.

01:42:47.440 --> 01:42:49.880
 There won't be a vote required because it'll be part of the staff memo.

01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:56.160
 It'll still be reviewed every week or every meeting with the committee and you can still

01:42:56.160 --> 01:43:01.720
 request to add things on it but staff will kind of remove things as they've been presented

01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:03.760
 to you without the need for a vote.

01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:08.200
 Because is it being shown that we generally say yes to all of these things or we vote

01:43:08.200 --> 01:43:11.000
 on yes all the time anyway?

01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:17.700
 Is that why we are making this particular decision not to necessarily vote on it because

01:43:17.700 --> 01:43:19.280
 we are always in agreement?

01:43:19.280 --> 01:43:22.680
 Yeah, and I think that's just how we handle it with other committees, so just consistency

01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:24.640
 across the boards and commissions.

01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:26.320
 Thank you.

01:43:26.320 --> 01:43:32.080
 As part of the discussion I just, I guess, I've seen that in other committees that things

01:43:32.080 --> 01:43:37.880
 come on and off the matrix fairly readily with or without votes.

01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:44.120
 I guess I don't have a concern as long as things can, as long as we go, as long as whatever

01:43:44.120 --> 01:43:49.920
 committee we're on says, yeah, no, we don't want to not revisit that, like I know staff

01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:52.640
 you want to be done with that but we're not done with it.

01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:58.240
 As long as that's available to the committee then I don't really care about the mechanism.

01:43:58.240 --> 01:44:07.640
 But now in some cases we may say, we may have yes up there but council member Beck may make

01:44:07.640 --> 01:44:13.120
 a point to have to want to revisit that but it's already shown up there.

01:44:13.120 --> 01:44:15.520
 Yeah in those cases we would just leave it on the matrix.

01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:18.680
 Okay, so y'all are going to be keeping up with that?

01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:19.680
 Yes ma'am.

01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:20.680
 Just as we currently do.

01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:21.680
 Y'all got to keep up with it.

01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:22.680
 Okay.

01:44:22.680 --> 01:44:26.520
 Because if it's going to come up, we know council member Beck is going to.

01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.480
 Why, I don't have a point on this.

01:44:29.480 --> 01:44:33.000
 Okay, so are we, I guess we don't even have to have a vote on this, right?

01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:35.160
 Do we have to have a vote that we're going to?

01:44:35.160 --> 01:44:36.160
 No, no vote needed.

01:44:36.160 --> 01:44:37.160
 So it's a no vote?

01:44:37.160 --> 01:44:38.160
 We're not posted for a vote.

01:44:38.160 --> 01:44:39.160
 Yeah.

01:44:39.160 --> 01:44:40.160
 Okay.

01:44:40.160 --> 01:44:41.160
 So whatever.

01:44:41.160 --> 01:44:42.160
 Sounds like there's nothing else.

01:44:42.160 --> 01:44:46.840
 I had to say in that regard and then what about future matrix items?

01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:53.680
 We have that, the 20 meeting staff memorandum, if there's not anything else to conclude with,

01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:56.400
 do we have any kind of concluding items?

01:44:56.400 --> 01:44:58.560
 Anybody want to do any concluding items?

01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:04.360
 All right, if there's not any concluding items then we will end our meeting at approximately

01:45:04.360 --> 01:45:07.260
 1145.

01:45:07.260 --> 01:45:08.260
 Thank you all very much.

01:45:08.260 --> 01:45:09.260
 Thank you.

01:45:09.260 --> 01:45:09.760
 For everything.