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 Okay good morning everyone we are here at our Mobility Committee meeting Wednesday December

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 17th 10 a.m. in our council work session room first thing on the agenda is citizens comments

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 on agenda items all right we're not seeing any citizens comments we do have a quorum

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 available I will move on to item two items for individual consideration MC 25062 consider

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 approval of the minutes November 19 2025 in a motion for approval of minutes any discussions

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 on that all right all in favor okay any ups or no's any no's no okay so we'll move that

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 on MC 25057 receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the Denton sidewalk and bike lane

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 prioritization to introduce and share information on prioritization methods for developing and

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 improving the sidewalks and bike lanes in the City of Denton thank you good morning

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 chair and committee mobility I'm Roya it's me 90 senior planner bicycle pedestrian and

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 ADA City of Denton I'm here to present Denton sidewalk and bike lane prioritization effort

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 this is study intense to enhance the mobility accessibility and equity throughout the City

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 of Denton particularly for those who walk and bike quickly overview of what our car

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 today the background of this effort prioritization methodology and I will go through the implementation

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 plan and outcomes and results of this effort what's the intention of this study Denton

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 is growing fast with more people and activities we make we need to make sure that the infrastructure

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 keeps up as well because we cannot fix everything at once we need to build a very comprehensive

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 systematic approach that consistently and in a comprehensive manner identify those investments

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 that should come first in terms of biking and walking this map is showing the current

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 condition of bike lanes in City of Denton currently we have around 90 miles of bike

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 lanes throughout the city mostly concentrated around the downtown area and around the UNT

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 and Texas Women's University but the coverage are limited in East neighborhood and north

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 of 380 it means that residents of Denton cannot rely on biking as a commuter mode of transportation

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 for their daily travel currently we have around 470 miles of sidewalks throughout the City

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 of Denton more than 24 miles of trails however the audits show that around 35% of these sidewalks

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 are considered with poor very poor condition it means accessibility barriers particularly

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 for people with disabilities the staff we use a three-step approach to prioritize the

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 projects in terms of biking and cycling the first step is developing a standardized set

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 of criteria to score and rank those projects that should come first in the second phase

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 the staff will collect and gather the community input revise the criteria and the approach

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 based on the values and priorities of the residents in community input and then finalize

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 the scoring approach and finalize the list of final projects and at the third step we

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 will implement the highest ranked projects in the city during the time this study directly

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 support the City of Denton's comprehensive plan and mobility plan goals and objectives

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 those recruiting terms and plan and comprehensive plan are considered and safety equity accessibility

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 connectivity multi modality and active travel modes so the style will ensure that consider

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 all of these goals when developing the criteria for ranking the projects here is a list of

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 the criteria six criteria including safety equity accessibility connectivity trip potential

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 and multi modality this slide outlines the six criteria and how the staff will measure

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 it to rank the bicycle and pedestrian projects for instance safety focuses on pedestrian

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 and bicycle crashes and decreasing these crashes by targeting the hot crash spots or equity

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 evaluate and consider these projects consider the disadvantage communities and the communities

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 that are vulnerable by going through census based data identify low income people people

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 with no vehicles accessibility evaluates the compliance with ADA so projects selected in

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 a case that will be usable for people with all types of abilities connectivity looks

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 at to what extent these projects can fill the gaps in current network of the city in

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 terms of walking and biking trip potential considers those places that currently have

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 higher demand for walking and biking and those places in the city that potentially could

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 have demand for walking and biking and multi modality prioritized projects based on those

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 that can improve access to public transit based on the distance to travel bus stops

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 public engagement shape our work in different steps of this work we will gather and collect

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 the feedback from public because the previous service and workshops indicated that residents

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 have some values and priorities towards biking and walking for example they need safer routes

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 to school or biking lanes to recreational activities to parks school and university

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 so we will make sure that consider the engage the public engagement consider their feedback

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 into our criteria and prioritization methodology this slide outlined the implementation plan

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 in three phases in short time that it's the current step of the projects we're working

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 on developing the criteria refining the criterion approach and collecting the public input and

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 their feedback towards these criteria in medium term by mid 2026 we have a list of finalized

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 and scored projects based on internal external stakeholders feedback and during the time

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 in long term in two to six years we will implement those projects that have scored as the highest

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 priority projects in terms of walking and biking of course that we will do monitoring

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 and be flexible in adjusting and changing if any conditions change so we will fix and

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 change the criteria or any steps that is needed to be changed this slide shows the outcome

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 of these projects the very initial outcome of these projects will be a priority map dashboard

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 that brings together different and multiple set of data into one single visualized tool

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 that the staff can look at it and can identify what are the most important parts of the city

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 for investment in cycling and biking second we can identify the gap maps in the network

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 and third we have a list of scored projects that can guide the city in terms of the future

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 improvements of biking and cycling following this approach we will make sure that we are

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 following a systematic and data driven approach we are engaging and incorporating public feedback

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 towards biking and cycling investment and also we are following the goals in city of

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 the entrance comprehensive plan and mobility plan thank you so much I will be happy to

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 address any questions thank you very much that was very informative I'm going to start

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 on this end because we know we want to give you any questions any comments I appreciate

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 it and you're our resident walker I am a walker and so I know that the pedestrian part

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 would be very important to you is there anything you wanted to comment in regards to the areas

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 I only walk in areas where there's sidewalks or I walk at that big church parking lot but

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 I find the sidewalks that I'm on are really in pretty good shape okay yeah and that's

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 in the eastern sector of the city yes it's like the southeast I guess the southeastern

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 part yeah it's out the 380 yes yeah okay please tell me about about how sidewalks are rated

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 poor and very poor is it is it the quality of the of the concrete is it the connectivity

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 is it the placement of them where they are tell me about how sidewalks are rated yes

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 thanks for your question very good question yes based on the ADA transition plan the sidewalks

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 are currently rated in different ranks but usually the criteria that will be used is

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 missing ramps missing sidewalks in one side or both sides definitely uneven surfaces cracked

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 pavements these are those criteria that has been considered but but for this effort we

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 will follow with transition plan ranking of sidewalks on Carroll Boulevard for example

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 sidewalks just stop there they're they're going along and they simply stop is is that

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 is that consideration yes this be considered as no sidewalks so it will have the higher

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 rank in terms of accessibility because it doesn't have so it is stopped to sidewalks

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 yes it has higher ranked in prioritization because it doesn't have sidewalk okay okay

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 I'm also curious about pedestrian and bicycle crashes I've crashed plenty of times on my

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 bicycle and I don't remember ever reporting such a thing how are those how are those things

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 tallied for crash data we will consider the crease data that is the very formal data it's

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 coming from the crash information system throughout the system also throughout the Texas also

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 the city has purchased Dioxie system for reporting crash and collecting crash data that will

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 be implemented from next month in addition to that if for these types of informal crashes

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 we will have some public engagements focus group discussions and interviews with a sample

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 of residents that we will hope they mention these types of incidents but we will go through

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 the formal reported crashes from crease data or Dioxie system would emergency personnel

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 need need be contacted to make to make this this list sorry can you clarify it ambulance

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 would would would obviously that's that that that would be reported yes would that is that

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 is that how it would make would make the list maybe I could address this question good morning

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 chair and committee members for Han but deputy director transportation services yes so that

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 is part of the process so we have Chris database we have Dioxie software or application that

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 will have additional local coverage for many crashes and in addition we rely on police

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 reports as well or any emergency response reports that are generated and plus this will

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 be further complemented by I think there'll be supplementary data available from public

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 engagements as well I see okay very very good thank you thank you chair of course we're

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 going to get some long names for these these acronyms here yes Chris yes I system yes of

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 course my my my it's not a consternation and not even necessarily a concern but I certainly

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 want to put this out there I am having some questioning about the criteria is safety equity

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 accessibility those are all in priority order right yes ma'am so when I'm looking at accessibility

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 before I mean after equity I'm want to question that and I'm looking at equity being disadvantaged

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 communities versus accessibility meaning every community so how does the equity comes before

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 the accessibility and sorry for misunderstanding it doesn't mean that based on the order this

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 is not based on the order all of them are in the same ranking the safety equity accessibility

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 connectivity is just the format of this presentations okay yeah okay so yes definitely accessibility

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 is yes as the same oh well that you know that makes more sense to me because ADA for yes

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 it's very important the missing grams yes yes this is something that we consider for

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 scoring the projects based on ADA transition plan okay so and to his same point sidewalks

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 just stop I'm thinking of a sidewalk that is on Audra that goes along and then suddenly

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 it doesn't make it to the to the corner yeah or there's a new neighborhood that comes in

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 and they do their little sidewalk situation and then you know it's not connected to anything

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 and it just stops can the community do a three one one to request that the sidewalk is at

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 least completed to the street and there's no sidewalk on the other side so that puts

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 people on the sidewalk and then they're in the street to get to the curb you don't do

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 a left or right turn and go on to you know no sidewalks so how does that work for a community

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 member to request the completion of a sidewalk is that is a possible now or is this part

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 of the plan yes yes yes so Denton 311 would be an option okay and that would be the first

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 option for the community members to contact staff and staff can respond but in many cases

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 we will look for these gaps during the prioritization process and try to address them on priority

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 but in many cases there are other factors that come into play for example utility work

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 is needed there and then if that has to go then any implementation of sidewalks need

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 to wait before that work is completed otherwise will be we staff won't be able to work on

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 two different projects in parallel so I think some of those factors would be there but generally

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 yes Denton 311 would be the first point of contact now there's certain areas where sidewalks

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 are missing and I can just only assume that whoever built I'm going to use this church

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 for example that's on a corner this church was put in but there was would there be would

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 there have been a requirement to put a sidewalk along with the new development of a facility

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 because I noticed that there is no sidewalks when there is no facility but then when there

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 is a facility there's still no sidewalks how does something like that come into play I'll

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 have to look at that particular case and review if what got included but generally new developments

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 have to include sidewalks generally yes did you all have any consternation with your prior

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 knowledge of streets I mean not streets but sidewalks and pedestrians I know we've had

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 sidewalk you know people in here before I've been on the council long enough to see you

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 know people that have worked you know in the sidewalk and pedestrian business and bicycle

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 business are you all or did you all have enough of that to feel comfortable or are we starting

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 all over again no we are for sure not starting all over again there's as mentioned in doing

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 the presentation there are significant there's significant coverage in the city of Denton

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 already when it comes to sidewalk in many neighborhoods and we are just not reinventing

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 the wheel we are just improving it improving the process but the process continues city

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 has been developing sidewalks on in many areas and this process will continue it's just that

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 we are using a robust prioritization methodology now okay improved okay an improved methodology

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 oh let me finish my couple of questions then I'm gonna come back to you okay okay um what

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 is your anticipation when you get ready to do this net this neighborhood the neighborhood

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 conversations and taking it out to the neighborhoods I know everything is generally kind of end

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 up in a I'd say negative light but you know and that's because people are not aware and

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 there's no education involved in it I got that part but what are you I mean we're talking

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 about sidewalks and we're talking about you know doing things better what what's what's

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 your anticipation for your community engagement from the negative perspective what could someone

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 complain about that you all can be prepared to answer for yes all comments are important

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 positive or negative okay so we will we are ready to take them and we are ready to look

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 into those I would say critique staff understands that critique is not necessarily negative it

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 helps us improve our processes and informs us of any gaps to be filled all right thank

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 of the city that was your words important parts of the city what does that mean to us

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 when you say we're going to look at the important parts of the city sorry I heard you say something

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 in regards to it and we're going to I guess prioritize or look at I didn't write the word

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 that came in front of important parts of the city but you use the term important parts

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 of the city what does that what does that mean to us yeah so that would be downtown

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 core okay yes so that's where we start and then from walkability standpoint and accessibility

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 standpoint presence of multimodal enhanced multimodal network that's activity center

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 for city and that's where we start the most active part of the city yes okay thank you

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 oh yes okay that was your question okay good good I'm glad we're on the same page see you

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 got to have the people I'm done yes sir hi thank you chair first I want to say Dr. Imanani

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 I love the the breakout as a member as I go said good job and clarifying goals and metrics

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 that you're going to pursue and looking at future deliverables I but that we need to

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 do more of that so I appreciate that a couple questions so I want to follow up on the on

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 the chair's point I'm glad she asked that about we've seen over the last few years as

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 our time on council and on mobility there's been a lot of and I want to make I'm glad

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 that we're we're reusing a lot of that information it concerns the community when we we seem

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 to stutter and skip as as we go through bikeped coordinators and we don't want to lose the

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 momentum that we've developed I think is what I was here concerned so I appreciate the chair

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 bringing that up and I appreciate counselor Holland's question but what about the conditions

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 so let me follow up from his question do we have an OCI for sidewalks are we sort of talked

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 around operational conditional index like we do for the streets where you know that's

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 how we're prioritizing street repair do we have an OCI for sidewalks since it is background

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 on historical background that's why I'm I'm addressing these questions and onwards Dr.

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 Manani would be able to address these as she was more more knowledge about cities previous

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 processes yes we have that layer we there's a sidewalk work plan layer that relies on

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 a lot of different factors this question was in particular about sidewalks right yes so

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 yes we have sidewalk work plan layer that is based on prioritize sidewalk projects and

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 we are relying stuff is relying on those that that work plan as well and that has it may

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 be termed differently but it is serving as OCI okay all right do we and I appreciate

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 that at some point if you could throw a document or a link or something like that at the board

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 so that we know where to look for that sort of thing and give feedback back to the community

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 because it's often asked when are they going to fix XYZ and the general answer will be

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 where is it on on this index yeah it will be the general answers so we'll circle back

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 on that perfect but let's let's follow up from that a little bit I was a little confused

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 and it's probably just I haven't had enough coffee or whatever when I was reading the

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 backup but the we had the 50 miles of construction 24 miles of private construction and 37 miles

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 that we did it got but I couldn't tell what was the difference between new construction

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 new construction that we did new construction that developers did reconstruction and when

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 I tried to add up those numbers I couldn't I couldn't get them to add up to to the 50

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 so I'm I'm clearly doing something wrong or not understanding something and so I guess

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 I'm not asking for an answer now unless you could just spout it off the top of your memory

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 but could we get back to the committee construction new construction and reconstruction and and

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 so that we could and then what we're doing and what developers are doing those those

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 categories because it makes it challenging for us to follow the progress anyway it made

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 it challenging for me so that's my gentle request is if we could get those numbers back

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 to the board and staff will research this and provide circle back great this information

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 and in following up we said in the background we had 90 miles of bike lanes that it seems

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 it when I was going through the maps and everything is that Cheryl's plus bike lanes are we adding

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 those together because Cheryl is it really a bike lane because there's vehicles there

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 on both both ends but we can look into the statistics and and provide the information

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 that would be helpful I I don't mind aggregating things because you know we have 90 miles of

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 bike accessible infrastructure is one way of saying that but also I think everyone will

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 agree it makes a difference whether it is a bike specific or shared yeah because we'll

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 we'll respond differently if we have to put bollards in or something like that okay one

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 of the things that I have two more questions chair and then I'll be done with this I noticed

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 in the plan that we we tend to be focusing on things that are parallel to streets or

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 specific infrastructure like say you might see in Europe or Asia where it's like this

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 is just a street for bikes and nothing else in order to facilitate the other planning

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 that Dr. Epimani was talking about so can we is that part of our planning or we are

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 would require it has to be in general traffic engineering we warrant signals we warrant

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 different instrument or interventions that we have to do.

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 a concept in Europe very widely used and some in at some location in US as well it needs

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 a lot of bike pad traffic and it would require a certain number of certain threshold before

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 we before staff could look into that but we are happy to look into that while during the

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 prioritization process if the idea is to implement something like this in Denton I'm talking

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 about exclusive bike and pad facilities shared facilities they are by default part of this

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 process sure sure no I appreciate that I appreciate that we need a certain amount of activity

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 to justify the expenditure yeah but yeah it would be helpful if we knew whether what our

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 highest capacity words and whether we need to create a node that's just specific to that

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 or not I'd love to see that in the future in future discussions last question one of

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 the things and I think this will come back in the design criteria manual item is we do

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 a good job about mapping out the nodes and the edges in our network you could see it

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 there on this specific map where we just talked about whether we need specific exclusionary

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 edges to connect the nodes but one of the things I saw in both this presentation and

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 the one we'll see in a few minutes is we're not really talking about parking infrastructure

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 and I mean bike parking and and so I didn't see the criteria menu I'm gonna bring it up

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 again there so just whoever's gonna cover that item I'm gonna bring it up again in a

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 few minutes but maybe you could mostly address it now how how are we incorporating parking

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 for for bike pet infrastructure because if I get downtown and there's nowhere to put

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 my bike then I'm not going to use my bike and we have minimal opportunities for that

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 so how is that in the vision so there was a in previous mobility committee meeting staff

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 there was a pilot project proposed that was budget linked and if there's a approval for

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 for that pilot project this could be launched as a test case so when it comes to project

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 that that could be implemented if the budget is allocated for that and on the on the idea

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 about adding bike bike parking infrastructure to the projects at the development criteria

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 process now we are starting the detailed transportation criteria for next one and a half year that

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 will continue on and many of these changes will be included the recent changes included

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 the significant that short term that we could do immediately because the development community

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 has to be on board as well with these ideas so I think we have mapped all the all these

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 gaps and we are planning to include many of these interventions in the ongoing that we

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 have just kicked off this new transportation criteria manual update and this will be part

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 of it but in the planning process we look for those opportunities and where there is

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 an opportunity we would just recommend to develop very good very good I appreciate that

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 I appreciate the proactive if the answer is sort of on some of these things I love that

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 we're going to bake this into the design criteria manual as we go forward so I guess

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 I won't ask that question here in a few minutes yeah but if they're if if if the three of

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 budget amendments that we do in May and June we'll we'll need to be made aware of that

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 if there's not an opportunity for us to voice and have that discussion so so maybe we could

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 we could bring that up it now or then whatever you want to do Charlie I think in addition

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 to this this is part of what we can add in our public engagement process and the understanding

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 of whether parking is a barrier to somebody using the bicycles so as they're doing that

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 public engagement that would be a good opportunity yes to ask those questions of the community

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 as we meet with them now that sound that sounds excellent I appreciate it thank you everybody

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 that's all my questions can I just add a little bit to that the bicycle parking is crucial

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 but the problem with bicycle parking is the theft of bicycles if I could just put my bicycle

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 someplace and I knew it would be there when I come back in two or three hours that that

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 would that would encourage a lot of people to but that's not the but that's not the real

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 world what one has to have not only a facility to leave the bike but some place to lock the

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 bike otherwise it'll it'll it'll go away so that's that that's a huge I realize that sounds

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 like a community engagement conversation well it's it's just it's it's just a situation

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 that you know what when I was and I sound I say this like I go to Europe all the time

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 when I was in Europe once I saw lots and lots of bicycles parked very few were locked and

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 a zillion of them and very very little part of the very little locks I thought that was

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 interesting I'm yeah I didn't mean to derail that thank you that's quite all right well

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 we know what kind of people we are if there's not anything else it didn't look like we had

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 any kind of boat or anything so thank you all for your for your conversation thank you

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 both thank you okay so we'll move on to MC 25058 receive a report in the hold of discussion

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 and provide suggestions or recommendations regarding updates to the city of didn't design

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 criteria manual provide suggestions or recommendations good morning chair and members mobility committee

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 I'm Mike Linder drainage engineer for the city and I'll be kicking off our discussion

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 on the criteria manual updates I think there may be there may be some mistake here that's

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 all right I got it here if you wouldn't would have gone through that I probably wouldn't

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 have had a clue going with it okay oh there it is there's Mike all righty sir about that

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 appreciate your patience I'll be kicking off that discussion just a quick background on

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 our design criteria manuals so historically the criteria manuals within the city were

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 all separate documents so we had a separate design criteria manual for solid waste for

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 water wastewater for stormwater for transportation the previous update in 2024 was a really significant

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 push where we combined all of these separate documents into one unified design criteria

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 manual matched the format of the development code at that time transportation was still

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 staffing up there were significant improvements and updates made at that time but we knew

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 there was going to be additional work and updates that needed to come in the future

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 and that's what we're addressing with with this round of updates after this update we're

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 not anticipating any other major updates within the next three to five years so we should

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 have a period of stability on the manuals after this these updates this manual affects

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 a lot of different departments within the city it's a really technical document that

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 requires a wide variety of subject matter experts to come together when we're doing

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 these updates review the documents review all the comments that have been received since

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 the previous updates and incorporate those where appropriate after that initial coordination

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 is done we have an internal draft that we send out to all the other departments for

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 review we had a series of large in-person meetings in September where the departments

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 document which is then posted online presented to development community we present to various

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 professional organizations and bring it before the various boards and committees currently

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 1st 2026 just to add some context on what the design criteria manual is and how it's

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 used within the city the city actually has several different governing documents and

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 there's an established hierarchy to these the highest document which isn't pictured

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 and direction that the city wants wants to go in below that would be our development

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 code which sets policies and procedures for zoning and subdivision regulation it's a planning

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 level document below that is the design criteria manual which is what we're discussing today

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 this is a technical engineering document that sets forth the appropriate engineering methodologies

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 specifications which sets forth the appropriate construction methodologies how to actually

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 build what's been designed and lastly we have the standard details which provide a detailed

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 depiction actual drawings of the infrastructure that's to be built within the city and with

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 that I will hand this presentation off.

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 Good morning chair and committee members Rakeable Island principal transportation planner at

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 city of Denton transportation subdivision today I'm going to present the proposed changes

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 in the transportation section of the this latest design criteria manual update at the

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 beginning at the beginning let me start with the background why which what motivates this

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 update basically our current criteria manual has many typographical error and also is outdated

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 information and also recently the text has updated the roadway design manuals and our

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 city checklist that we regularly use for reviewing our developments are also updated but our

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 current manual doesn't have that so there is some kind of discrepancies there so it

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 creates many confusion among the development communities so to clarify that confusion and

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 make it more clear these changes in that criteria transportation section is needed I'm going

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 to present a couple of the major changes that we are proposing the first I'm going to talk

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 about the inclusion of the new street classification which is major collector generally our collector

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 roads has a smaller right of way 65 feet but here this major collector we are proposing

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 three concept and all of them has right of way with 110 feet and all of them has separate

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 bike lanes and separate walkways for pedestrian and it will have lower speed the reason of

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 adopting or introducing the new classification is because the city is growing and in many

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 developments are coming every month like 10 or 20 if I say and many of them are related

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 dance development concept with commercial centers and multifamily development and single

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 family development and which will have higher activities and our current standards all the

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 roadways that we have articles collector residential street doesn't have dedicated bike lane it

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 has sidewalks or multiuse but doesn't have dedicated bike lanes so to reduce these conflicts

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 regular conflicts or make a safe environment we are proposing introducing that major collector.

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 The next item I want to discuss about the hammerhead turn around when any new development

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 comes we discourage to have dead end road so to eliminate the dead end road we have

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 only one mechanism which is which needs higher spaces very large amount of spaces to accommodate

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 there are some of the developments we have reviewed where they don't have that much space

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 to accommodate the cul-de-sac so in that case we don't have any alternative in our standard

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 so we are proposing this hammerhead turn around which needs less space than the cul-de-sac

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 and this design three options are vetted by our city fire departments.

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 The next item is a turn lane requirement our city standards had turn lane warrant criteria

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 for four lane arterials or four lane roadway system basically but in our city jurisdiction

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 there are several roads arterials which are two lane road so in those cases we don't have

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 any standard at our current criteria manual so I'm including that and taking that from

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 our text or design manual and AASHTO which is basically sent for American Association

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 of State Highway and Transportation Officials they have their standards for two lane roadways

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 if the turn lanes are not so we are going to adopt that standards from this state and

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 The next item the traffic impact analysis or TIA so as I said our current city of data

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 checklist for TIA is updated but the criteria manual itself is outdated so it has been confusion

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 and also our current criteria manual doesn't have step-by-step process how the TIA's workflows

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 basically so in this update we are clearly specifying what are the steps are if we go

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 to the TIA if the TIA is warranted or not and if it's not how the TIA waiver process

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 is this and everything needs to be recorded all the steps are well coordinated in our

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 The next important element is the in our TIA is the adding the school traffic management

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 plan we don't have it in our current standard we don't have any guideline even in our checklist

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 also so we are putting that in this update because to ensure that the students are safe

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 during the drop-off and pick-up it also reduce congestion and conflicts on surrounding streets

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 and if you have a plan and also it provides clear and orderly traffic operation for parents

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 buses and emergency vehicles and the next item the Q analysis guidelines this Q analysis

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 guidelines we have in our checklist but it's not in our criteria manual so we are just

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 putting in our criteria manual to have it to make it coherent to avoid any kind of confusion.

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 The third element is in our current criteria manual we have bike bed traffic impact analysis

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 but the thing is in the throughout the development review for a particular project we are already

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 ensuring the city bike plan city sidewalk plan is follow the standard I mean the development

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 follow those standards at the time of the zoning compliance plan or in the civil engineering

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 plan we ensure that if the mobility plan is saying there is a 10 feet trail 10 feet side

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 path is needed they have to build it a new development needs to build it if there is

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 a bike lane separate the new development when they come they have to build it so we are

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 already covering that element you know and also the if there are road work if the side

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 of condition is not good is not compliant the development needs to make it compliant

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 to the current standard and if there is a missing ramp on this on the development side

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 or on the receiving side we ensure that at the civil engineering plan stage they accommodate

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 those ramps so we are already covering those elements in different stages of the development

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 so in the TI we had it based on our previous old standard so it's kind of reviewing the

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 same thing again like twice we are eliminating that element from the TI because we are already

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 reviewing that element in different sections the next item is making some clarification

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 regarding the traffic coming majors because in the developer committee there is some confusion

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 what kind of traffic coming methods city allows and not allows in our current transportation

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 criteria manual we don't have that clearly specified some of them are specified in our

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 fire city fire department code so I discussed with the city fire division and based on that

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 I make it more clear as an example in our cities we allow in any kind of horizontal

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 measures like the lane narrowing curve extension or chicanes this kind of measures we allow

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 but in case of vertical measures we have some limitations the city on any public or private

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 street city does not encourage any kind of vertical measures like the speed hump speed

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 bump speed tables the reason behind because it causes delay in the response emergency

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 response time and it also causes damage to the city fire equipment so we normally don't

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 allow it but the only one exception is with speed cushion we allow speed cushion just

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 on the private street based on the fire and all of this when the developer comes up with

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 any kind of horizontal traffic coming majors or speed cushion they want to put on private

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 the city transportation we both review those and we look into that if it follows the city

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 standard the next item I want to discuss about the on street parking in our standard we have

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 on street parking allowed on residential street and residential collector street but we didn't

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 specifically mention what are the type of parking could be it could be parallel it could

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 be angled or it could be perpendicular parking so in that case what happens that mostly to

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 accommodate more park most parking the developer comes up with perpendicular parking so in

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 traffic perspective point of view it is really it causes safety hazard and it causes more

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 crashes in that case and also our downtown dendro plan doesn't also encourage that so

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 for to facilitate that we are coming these changes that when any street classification

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00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,640
 has on street parking allowed so which means by default the parallel parking is talking

422
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:39,280
 about but in special cases if the developer wants some kind of angled parking or perpendicular

423
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:45,760
 parking it needs to be thoroughly reviewed by the city's engineer and approval so that

424
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,760
 we can put some kind of safety encourage some safety environment for this parking and reduce

425
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:58,960
 the crash risk.

426
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:06,720
 The current criteria manual doesn't have any specification regarding some bike rack so

427
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:14,720
 the ABPP which stands for American Association of Pedestrian and Bicycle Professionals is

428
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:23,840
 a nationally known body who works on that bike pad facilities so and bike rack facilities

429
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:30,320
 so they have some guidelines so as the city doesn't have any conceptual design plan for

430
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:36,920
 the bike decks we are adopting that from ABPP and as you see it has provided some minimum

431
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:50,800
 clearance for spacing and also safely maneuvering the bike rack and it also specify to the current

432
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:57,000
 standard also specify that the bike needs to be locked not only the wheel but also with

433
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,680
 the frame also at least two spaces to promote security that and it helps the developer community

434
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:08,480
 to design it according to city standard.

435
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,840
 This is we have for the transportation criteria manual update so the next step for this design

436
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:20,160
 criteria manual update to present it at the council hearing and proposed to adoption on

437
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:30,520
 the January 13, 2026 and everything goes well then it will be effective on February 1, 2026.

438
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:37,720
 Thank you very much and please let me know if you have any questions.

439
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:41,000
 Thank you very much, that was very informative, appreciate that.

440
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,600
 Zykl did you have any questions, any comments, any concerns?

441
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,160
 No not at this time, not at this time, okay.

442
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,040
 I might later as people ask other questions.

443
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,720
 It will come to you, okay.

444
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:13,040
 Please I think it's about slide seven, I may be off on that, showing okay six maybe, five,

445
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:18,000
 that one.

446
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:25,480
 My note was street parking competes with pedestrian and cycling lanes.

447
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:36,040
 I'm thinking of Forest Ridge Street for example, there's lanes on each side of the street plenty

448
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:44,920
 wide but there's no parking, there's no parking considered for vehicles so when council member

449
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:54,040
 Byrd parks her big dually truck on the side of the street it completely torpedoes the

450
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,600
 pedestrian cycling thing, you know what I'm saying.

451
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:05,600
 Is that, I mean I don't see that considered here.

452
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:12,920
 Well the width of the street presuming that we're going to, alright for example Carroll

453
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,760
 Boulevard, nobody would think of parking on the side of Carroll Boulevard, you wouldn't

454
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:24,480
 think of it but on Elms, North Elm Street for example, that's common, people park on

455
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,960
 either side of the street.

456
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:36,400
 I'm just thinking with new construction should that be a consideration on street parking

457
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:42,920
 so that it would not compete with pedestrian lanes and cycling lanes.

458
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,720
 I will partly answer that question and some of the portion, I don't have the background

459
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:51,560
 or historical information, Chandra will assist me with that.

460
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:58,280
 Regarding the new construction, if the road is a residential street and a residential

461
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:05,720
 collector street, if it falls in two categories, we have on-street parking in our standards,

462
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:16,840
 we have that in our criteria manual and regarding the Forest Street and Carroll Boulevard, Chandra?

463
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,200
 Good morning Chair and committee members, Chandra, City Traffic Engineer.

464
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:26,760
 So this major collector classification applies only for new developments where we have the

465
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,480
 plan to incorporate.

466
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,800
 In specific to Carroll, it's a primary arterial in our code so there is no parking allowed

467
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:43,300
 at any time and in case of Forest Ridge, back then we had collector roadways, homes fronting

468
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:49,960
 those roadways so they could park on those streets but based on our new code, no parking

469
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:56,000
 on the collector roadways that accounts for I think more than 11 homes, then you cannot

470
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,160
 park on those collector roadways.

471
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:05,720
 So we have captured those in our previous updates that was not reflected in this update.

472
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:12,560
 But we could take a look at it on retrofitting some old streets that has some issues on parking

473
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,560
 and accommodating bike lanes, that's been a challenge so far, but we could come up with

474
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,880
 a plan to have one side parking, other side could be a bike lane, so those are some options

475
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,920
 we could consider.

476
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:31,160
 It confuses a lot of people, where am I going to park, we'll park there, well I can't park

477
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:36,120
 there, it's a pedestrian way, it's just a confusing situation.

478
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:44,320
 So since our new bike person is here, we are bringing in those green paints, those are

479
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:49,440
 considerations we are considering so that would delineate which is a bike lane, which

480
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:58,320
 is a parking lane in case of Old North or Forest Ridge, so those will give a distinction

481
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:06,600
 on which is a bike lane with those paints or markings so we can make it clarity on those

482
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,600
 ambiguities.

483
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:08,600
 Okay.

484
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,600
 Okay.

485
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:10,600
 Thank you.

486
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,600
 Thank you.

487
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:20,360
 I'm intrigued with the hammerhead as opposed to a traditional cul-de-sac, I think that's

488
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,360
 the next slide, I think.

489
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,360
 There it is.

490
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,620
 We don't have anything like that in the City currently, do we?

491
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:39,280
 We do have for solid waste, it's in the solid waste section for the solid waste truck, but

492
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:46,360
 we do not have anything in our transportation section to propose some kind of alternative

493
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:52,400
 turnaround when there is a limitation of spacing, because cul-de-sac needs more spacing in some

494
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,080
 of the development we don't, they don't have that spacing to have the cul-de-sac and for

495
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:04,200
 fire or emergency vehicle, turnaround is a very important, any dead end street should

496
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:11,120
 have some kind of turnaround to give a proper, to serve it proper for the fire and response,

497
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,120
 so yeah.

498
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,120
 Okay.

499
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,120
 Perhaps I misunderstood this.

500
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:19,560
 Is parking, is parking, pardon me, not parking, forget that.

501
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:29,920
 Is around that our houses surrounding the hammerhead examples there?

502
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:36,200
 Because when I think of a cul-de-sac, kind of a bulbous circle with houses all the way

503
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,600
 around it, that's the way I think of a cul-de-sac.

504
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:44,160
 Is that the same, is that the same thing?

505
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,160
 You are right.

506
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:50,640
 For cul-de-sacs, you can have houses around it, but this is an option where you have space

507
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:56,520
 constraints and instead of a dead end street, we would be requiring these cul-de-sacs to

508
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,960
 be built for, say, example, solid waste goes in, they pick up the trash, but they cannot

509
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,040
 turn around, so with this configuration, they can maneuver out of the street.

510
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,040
 I see.

511
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,040
 Okay.

512
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,040
 Okay.

513
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,480
 I got it now.

514
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,440
 Is the elimination of speed bumps, is that a new thing?

515
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,040
 There's been speed bumps all my life, and only recently have I noticed that speed bumps

516
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,040
 are going away.

517
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,840
 Am I right?

518
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:35,600
 Case by case, and it varies from city to cities, and we don't have speed hunts, but elimination

519
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:41,480
 in case of a dip in the roads or if there is bump, we used to use static signs, but

520
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:47,440
 some cities might highlight in with the reflective material, hey, you are having a bump or something,

521
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,160
 so it all, case by case, it varies.

522
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,640
 But that's a relatively new, is it not?

523
00:59:53,640 --> 01:00:01,360
 In the past, they used to have those static signs like a dip and things, but now some,

524
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:09,520
 not by manual, but it's based on some cities, they have those thermoplastic reflectors that

525
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,840
 highlight in it, and even those speed hunts would give you arrowhead signs that says you

526
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,480
 are going up and coming down.

527
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,240
 That's not exactly my question.

528
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:25,280
 Is the elimination of speed bumps a relatively new concept?

529
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:31,160
 Yeah, not that we use, but there are some cities that do that based on if they can have

530
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,160
 the...

531
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,160
 He means more about fire trucks.

532
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,400
 I'm sorry to jump in, but he means we're going away from speed bumps.

533
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,200
 You all don't want speed bumps, is what his question is.

534
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,920
 Yeah, that's not in our code to deploy those.

535
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:43,920
 Okay.

536
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,880
 But I think he's probably trying to ask if they relatively new in terms of did this start

537
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,720
 happening in 1980s or 90s or 2000s?

538
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,040
 When did we start eliminating speed bumps?

539
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,680
 Are fire trucks more fragile than they used to be?

540
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,120
 Thank you, Joe.

541
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,480
 Are we more cautious with fire trucks than we used to be?

542
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:08,080
 What we have been told is it damages their apparatus when they carry like 20,000 gallons

543
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,080
 of water.

544
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,160
 I get that, but they carried the same amount of water 20 years ago.

545
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:17,600
 Yes, so the damage has been more evident based on a lot of studies that going over speed

546
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:18,600
 bumps.

547
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,600
 Yeah.

548
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,600
 Okay.

549
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:21,600
 Fair enough.

550
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:22,600
 Fair enough.

551
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:23,600
 Lastly, the parking rack.

552
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:32,560
 Can you give me a picture of the parking bike rack thing?

553
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:39,480
 That is wonderful, but that will only work if all of the bicycles are parked exactly

554
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,160
 like that.

555
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:47,720
 When council member Byrd parks her bike perpendicular to all these guys, that's going to screw up

556
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:54,600
 the whole thing unless somebody standing there and saying that's not the right way to do

557
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:55,600
 that.

558
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:02,280
 Education, and I don't know how you're going to do that, but that's a great thing.

559
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,280
 That's a great concept.

560
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,280
 I love it.

561
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,160
 But it will only work if everybody understands how to do it.

562
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,640
 Mark, here.

563
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,640
 Sure.

564
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:15,480
 Maybe when we install these on a new developments, we could have how to do it in a small kind

565
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:16,480
 of instruction.

566
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,040
 We could place it on there, but -- Yeah, something, something.

567
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:31,920
 Even a static foe bicycle that was parked in there, just for example, I'm sorry to pick

568
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:32,920
 on you.

569
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,320
 We can show some images for education on how to secure a bike.

570
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,320
 Thank you.

571
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,320
 Thank you.

572
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:39,320
 That's all I got.

573
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:40,320
 So easy.

574
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,920
 How far are we behind on our update?

575
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,600
 When was the last time we were updated?

576
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,160
 Was it 5, 10, 15 years ago?

577
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,600
 In this process?

578
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:54,600
 Mike?

579
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:55,600
 Again?

580
01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:02,960
 The last update was done in 2024.

581
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:03,960
 Oh, 2024.

582
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,320
 Oh, it sounded like it was in the 1900s.

583
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:15,800
 That was all the question I had in that regard.

584
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,040
 Functional classification, new development.

585
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,040
 When does that start?

586
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,400
 Does that start like in the next couple of years, three or four years?

587
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:32,800
 How far along the lines are we talking about starting this after the engagement, and then

588
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,200
 we have to put in the process?

589
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,600
 We're getting approvals.

590
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,040
 Are we talking about in the next -- at the next development?

591
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,700
 We got these large developments coming in.

592
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:48,720
 Are they going to be prepared for what we're talking about here?

593
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,080
 So in regards to -- I'm assuming it's the major collector.

594
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,080
 Okay, yes.

595
01:03:53,080 --> 01:04:00,200
 We've already implemented one for the east Windsor section from loop 288 all the way to

596
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:07,120
 Ferris on the eastern side, but we didn't capture it in our manual as one of the classifications.

597
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,760
 So if it's adopted, it will go into effect February 1st, 2026.

598
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:12,760
 Oh, okay.

599
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:13,760
 That's pretty quick.

600
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:14,760
 Okay, good.

601
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,700
 Page 6 hammerhead, I think I had the same question in that regard.

602
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:24,760
 I was on slide 6, the hammerhead.

603
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:33,600
 I can't imagine the developers planning to develop, you know, cul-de-sacs like this.

604
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:40,600
 Is this -- are you all already communicating this with the new developments that are coming

605
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:41,600
 in?

606
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:42,600
 Yes.

607
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:43,600
 Okay.

608
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:50,960
 The team are already agreeing to be done, so let's capture it in our language and process

609
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:51,960
 and policy.

610
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,960
 So that's where we are.

611
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:55,960
 Great.

612
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:56,960
 Speed cushions.

613
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:03,840
 You said something in regards to private streets, speed cushions on private streets.

614
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,840
 What are private streets?

615
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,000
 Are those HOA streets?

616
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,920
 Yes, HOA streets.

617
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:15,920
 If the streets are in shopping complex malls, like Razor Ranch, those are considered --

618
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,040
 Then we'll be able to see that?

619
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,600
 Yes.

620
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:20,840
 Okay.

621
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:30,240
 What makes up a calming -- I'm talking about calming measures.

622
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:36,120
 What's the difference between putting in a speed cushion versus a dip?

623
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,080
 Are we still putting dips?

624
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,080
 No.

625
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,080
 Okay.

626
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,080
 Okay.

627
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:42,440
 Dips are like for drainage components.

628
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,160
 Oh, that's drainage.

629
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:52,200
 Some -- we provide some surface runoffs to go -- where we don't have inlets to capture

630
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,400
 the water on one side, we funnel it on the other side.

631
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:01,760
 So there were -- some instances we were providing it, and some road settlements, it causes natural

632
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:11,680
 dips, and even if we fix it with underground water tables that could go back to this original

633
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,440
 state so where we can add dip to inform the drivers.

634
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,040
 But it's not a practice.

635
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:24,360
 We do it -- So we would be able to capture the opportunity not to put a dip in with the

636
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,360
 new developments.

637
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,360
 That's right.

638
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:31,680
 We shouldn't see dips other than in our older sectors of our --

639
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,680
 That's correct.

640
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:33,680
 Our city.

641
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:34,680
 Okay.

642
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:35,680
 All right.

643
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,520
 That's a good -- good to know because I still kind of see them around, you know?

644
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:40,520
 Yes.

645
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,200
 And those are my questions.

646
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,600
 Thank you, Chair.

647
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:51,560
 I love that, and I'm going to lead off with the -- there was a discussion about paint.

648
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:56,120
 Yes, please, because that's a very cheap solution.

649
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,680
 There's a fair degree of confusion.

650
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,640
 Forresteridge Old North, you mentioned it, I just want to make sure that I also support

651
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:08,400
 strongly being clear to our citizens about what's parking and what's Cheryl and what's

652
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:15,360
 bike lane, because you're going to hear it from all of us that our citizens are confused.

653
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,080
 They're confused.

654
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:23,280
 And we -- and paint would be a cheap way of making them less confused, or relatively cheap.

655
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:30,800
 I did notice we seem to be conflating sidewalks and side paths, and y'all know better than

656
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:36,640
 I do that those are very -- potentially very different things, you know, lacks of 90-degree

657
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:42,400
 turns and speed measures that are appropriate for side paths but not appropriate for sidewalks

658
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,720
 or vice versa.

659
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:51,560
 And I'm thinking of, like, if you look at table, like, 57A, that's -- that's in there

660
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,600
 very minimally, and you -- but we don't -- but for sidewalks, but we don't really have a

661
01:07:55,600 --> 01:08:02,080
 side path, 57B, or -- and -- but if you go and look at, like, what is the one for roads?

662
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,080
 I think it's, like, 53A.

663
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:10,360
 It's, like, everything in the world is specified for it, so I think it would be useful as we

664
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:16,080
 try to do the bike infrastructure that the Dr. Etmanani is going to be in charge of.

665
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:21,920
 I'd love to -- I'd love to see an additional side path table with those geometric values

666
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,360
 in it just for clarity.

667
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:26,880
 I think that would help.

668
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:27,880
 Okay.

669
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:33,640
 So, I'm also going to have the same questions about the hammerhead or related -- I guess

670
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:39,360
 some of them were asked, so I'll narrow mine down to -- for those hammerhead street or

671
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:47,720
 cul-de-sac type dead ends, is -- it seems like it's primarily for solid waste and possibly

672
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:55,480
 for fire EMS, and so I'm just going to float this out there.

673
01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:58,480
 Are we designing around our trucks?

674
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:04,040
 Are we designing multimillion-dollar neighborhoods around single-million-dollar trucks when we

675
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:09,600
 should be designing single-million-dollar trucks around our multimillion-dollar neighborhoods?

676
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:14,720
 Are we flipping the math on this one a little bit?

677
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:21,760
 Why do we not have -- is there an opportunity to maybe have, especially in downtown quarters,

678
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:26,520
 the smaller waste trucks, the smaller fire trucks?

679
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:32,880
 And I understand, you know, there's issues with having a large fleet, but I don't want

680
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:39,520
 to design around one very narrowly targeted thing, and it goes back to speed cushions

681
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,120
 and other things as well.

682
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:48,120
 So, is that what these are primarily for, is large vehicles getting into small neighborhoods?

683
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:54,200
 That's correct, but having different trucks, that's a question for solid waste, and I can't

684
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,160
 comment, so.

685
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:02,000
 I understand that, so I'm going to ask Charlie and other people at his level and up to, in

686
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:09,040
 your planning, to at least consider whether a fleet solution is a better solution than

687
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:13,400
 a build-out solution, and which of those is better, and I don't want us to necessarily

688
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:19,000
 keep doing the same thing over and over if there's an opportunity for flexibility.

689
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,040
 Yeah, I hear your point, and that's something that we can look into.

690
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,520
 I want to be clear here.

691
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,040
 I don't think that this is going to be used very often.

692
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,280
 I think if you're thinking of a typical subdivision type neighborhood that they would have that

693
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,040
 cul-de-sac because they can put lots around it.

694
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:40,360
 This is, in my mind, something more akin to a townhome development where it's like a single,

695
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,840
 there's one in Audre that I can think of, where it's a single street down to the townhomes.

696
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,240
 You get to the end of that street, there's townhomes on both sides, you've got to find

697
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:53,080
 a way to get around there, and so this is not going to be a very widely used type of

698
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:57,960
 thing, but it's in site-constrained areas, so just want to be clear that this isn't probably

699
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,580
 the model that's going to happen going forward, but it just allows us the flexibility to do

700
01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:04,080
 that in the case it's needed.

701
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,080
 This makes sense.

702
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:06,080
 No, it doesn't.

703
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,600
 I appreciate that.

704
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,600
 My next question-

705
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:13,880
 That's a fascinating concept, though, the "which came first" kind of thing.

706
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:14,880
 The trucks are the ones-

707
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:15,880
 Yeah.

708
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:22,920
 Okay, so I'm exceedingly grateful and excited that we are adding erosion controls for our

709
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,520
 construction and watershed protection, so that whole section that we added in, we've

710
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:32,600
 seen it at Old North, we've seen it all over the place where, particularly during the construction

711
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:40,960
 phase of new roads and sidewalks and parking, I'm so happy that you're adding those in there

712
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:47,800
 because we've just seen houses flooded out, and so lots of praise for having new items

713
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,400
 like that in the design criteria manual.

714
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,400
 Absolutely.

715
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,800
 Because as we- the whole point of the climate- I know this is mobility, not climate, but

716
01:11:55,800 --> 01:12:00,520
 the whole point of that is we're seeing unusual weather patterns that are changing our development

717
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:01,520
 styles.

718
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,640
 So, you know, we have street flooding that we didn't have 20 years ago, and now we're

719
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:10,680
 having to design for that street flooding, and so I appreciate y'all having that proactive

720
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:16,080
 stance on that and putting those into the design standards.

721
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:31,040
 Are- I know this is mobility, but it's unclear, are these- are the detention ponds and the

722
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,880
 street runoff and that drainage, is that under Mobility's purview or some other committee's

723
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:36,880
 purview?

724
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:42,320
 Who's overviewing the drainage elements because streets overlaps both?

725
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,320
 Right.

726
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:51,680
 So, we did bring these updates before planning and zoning and PUB, and got some feedback

727
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:58,080
 from them on the detention aspect and dual use of those ponds.

728
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:03,320
 We've also included a list of native grasses that could be used in those ponds, and there's

729
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:09,200
 a section carved out in the criteria manual that talks about other alternate uses.

730
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,200
 Does that address your question?

731
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,760
 Well, I think I'm hearing- what I'm hearing you say is that PUB and some other committees,

732
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,480
 but not so much- we're not going to worry about street drainage in this committee, and

733
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:23,000
 I just want to stay on target which committee is the right committee to address an issue,

734
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,680
 so I'm not going to discuss those.

735
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,300
 I just want to know where that was.

736
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:36,680
 Can staff get back to us about which of the new elements in the design criteria manual

737
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:45,440
 are specifically related to Vision Zero, so that we can go back to the public and say,

738
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:50,960
 look at these 3,000 things that we put into our design criteria manual changes that are

739
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,400
 related to our goals.

740
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:58,080
 And so, I'm not asking for this meeting, but can you get back to us on which ones are related

741
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,080
 to that?

742
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:04,040
 Yeah, so staff is drafting an ISR that'll go out ahead of City Council meeting on January

743
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,640
 13th, so we can include that information on that.

744
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:07,640
 I love that.

745
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,760
 Thank you so much.

746
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:17,600
 Okay, so all of us talked about speed cushions, and it's a good segue from the Vision Zero

747
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:18,600
 concerns.

748
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:24,720
 I think you're hearing us all say, we love our fire trucks.

749
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,360
 We don't want to damage our fire trucks because the more often they get damaged, the more

750
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,120
 often we have to use taxpayer money to replace them.

751
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,120
 That's bad.

752
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:33,120
 We agree.

753
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:38,720
 Same token, we're trying to, in the times when there's not emergency vehicles and waste

754
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:44,800
 vehicles going down the street, which is 95% of the time, we're trying to go back to our

755
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:49,480
 Vision Zero goals.

756
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:54,880
 It feels like speed, I think we all might agree reluctantly that speed bumps may or

757
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,760
 may not be the answer.

758
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:01,300
 There might be some reluctance to that, but speed cushion seems like that consensus place

759
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:06,840
 where you can still get the large vehicles down, and the fact that we're moving expeditiously

760
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:12,680
 away from that in our current design standards, I'm not comfortable with, I'll just be honest

761
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,000
 with you.

762
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:20,360
 Two inches is not going to make a fire truck bounce, but it is going to slow down your

763
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,600
 residential traffic.

764
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:30,840
 I would love to hear some thoughts, comments about, are we being led again on an edge case

765
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:36,160
 instead of the primary case on this one?

766
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,560
 For Hanbat, Transportation Services.

767
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:48,760
 This essentially is tied to first response time, and for that, minute or seconds would

768
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,360
 count to save somebody's life.

769
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,000
 That is the first factor.

770
01:15:53,000 --> 01:16:01,520
 The second factor is the equipment, as mentioned previously, equipment compatibility with that,

771
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:06,560
 the guidance that we are getting from our first response service, including folks that

772
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:13,520
 are operating ambulances or fire trucks, is that the equipment is not compatible with

773
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,480
 that kind of, to take that kind of bump.

774
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:27,200
 The third aspect is the individual neighborhoods where we are, where we may deploy, the community

775
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:28,920
 has to be on board as well.

776
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:34,800
 So not, even though technically it may make sense, but the community engagement session

777
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:39,920
 would inform us that how the community is looking at it.

778
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:45,280
 In previous cases, in some cases, that we found, our staff found that the community,

779
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,120
 all community members are not on board.

780
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,900
 So these are the three factors.

781
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:54,320
 Transportation Services is open to this discussion, but it is budget heavy because if we are going

782
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,600
 in that direction, then obviously we'll have to change the fleet.

783
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:58,600
 So that's one question.

784
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:04,880
 The second is that if, and not only fire trucks, but ambulances as well.

785
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,560
 So that is what it is tied to.

786
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:13,320
 No, I appreciate that you're being careful, that you're focusing on outcomes and safety.

787
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:19,400
 I would ask in that direction, as we develop statistics, we have speed cushions in our

788
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:20,400
 town.

789
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:21,400
 We talked about that.

790
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,440
 Some of the other members talked about that already in older parts of town.

791
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:30,920
 I would love if I could get some data, and I know it's not you, I know it's EMS, but

792
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:36,040
 if I could get some data on response times and damage in those sectors that are servicing

793
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:41,800
 places with speed cushions, because if the answer is no change in the response time and

794
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:51,600
 no additional damage to our vehicles, then we're not hurting anything.

795
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:57,480
 So I'm just saying stay open and maybe come back to us with data is what I'm requesting.

796
01:17:57,480 --> 01:18:03,880
 We'll circle back with Fire Department, and they should be able to provide the information.

797
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:11,160
 And then I had, oh, the street lighting.

798
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:18,200
 I love the new section, again, is street lighting covered under utilities or us?

799
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,720
 And I won't ask any questions if it's not covered under mobility.

800
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,800
 That item would have gone to PUB.

801
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:25,800
 Perfect.

802
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:31,440
 Then just again, because it was streets and we do streets, then I'll leave that to PUB

803
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,240
 to discuss and we'll leave it alone.

804
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:34,240
 Thank you.

805
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:35,240
 I appreciate that, Chair.

806
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:36,240
 All right.

807
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:37,240
 Okay.

808
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:38,240
 Thank you.

809
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,240
 Thank you.

810
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:46,960
 Okay, we're going to move on to MC 25-063, Receiver a report and hold a discussion regarding

811
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:53,960
 the Mobility Plan Boot Camp Part 3 to introduce and share the information on different elements

812
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,840
 of the Mobility Plan, scheduled for 35 minutes.

813
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:06,680
 So this is going to be kind of tight for us to get through beyond this and to be mindful.

814
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:20,680
 Good morning, Chair, committee members, Farhan Bhatt, Transportation Services.

815
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:26,520
 I'm here to present the Mobility Plan Boot Camp Part 3.

816
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:34,180
 In previous Mobility Committee meetings, we have covered Part 1 and Part 2, and this presentation

817
01:19:34,180 --> 01:19:44,640
 will cover the bicycle and pedestrian plan component of the Mobility Plan and would focus

818
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:52,280
 on first on how the Comprehensive Plan guides us when it comes to goals that are linked

819
01:19:52,280 --> 01:20:03,600
 to the non-motorized mobility, that specifically the Comprehensive Plan Goal M3 specifies that

820
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:09,560
 staff should focus on creating a transportation network that allows residents to walk, bicycle,

821
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:16,440
 and use other forms of non-motorized transportation for exercise, recreation, and daily commutes.

822
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:23,200
 So that is the key overall focus that has been provided by Comprehensive Plan, and this

823
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:34,480
 focus is directly tied to Mobility Plan's third theme that focuses on facilitating alternative

824
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:40,040
 travel opportunities for the users, road users.

825
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:46,440
 And once again, there are nine goals that are overall that are developed in the Mobility

826
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:47,440
 Plan.

827
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:54,320
 They define the mobility priorities, and so for this boot camp, we are just aligning Comprehensive

828
01:20:54,320 --> 01:21:03,560
 Plan with Mobility Plan and how Mobility Plan goals are then aligned with the specific theme,

829
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,280
 and then further we look into the strategies.

830
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:14,960
 To begin with, when it comes to third theme, which is about non-motorized modes, prioritizing

831
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:23,000
 travel needs of pedestrians, cyclists, and transit users in every project are stated

832
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,520
 in Goal 8 and Goal 9 of Mobility Plan.

833
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:33,340
 And then also it is in a way suggesting that we provide comfortable and low-stress opportunities

834
01:21:33,340 --> 01:21:43,880
 to walk and bike for all the users within the city.

835
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:51,880
 When it comes to Mobility Plan goals, there are two goals, and within those there are

836
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,040
 Objective 8 and Objective 9.

837
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,720
 So for Objective 8, there are three subsections.

838
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:04,140
 First talks about expanding and enhancing and protecting the bicycle and pedestrian

839
01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:05,140
 network.

840
01:22:05,140 --> 01:22:16,840
 The focus is on ensuring that there is availability of bike-ped and bike-ped network that is interconnected.

841
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,720
 Objective 8B provides end-of-trip facilities.

842
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:28,960
 This would include first mile and last mile gaps that are there, and it talks about how

843
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:36,120
 these networks should fill those gaps and those amenities should be provided to the

844
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,120
 users.

845
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,640
 And then encourage sustainable modes of transportation to fill first, last mile trip.

846
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:50,400
 This is providing accessibility to those first and last mile trips in terms of feeder buses

847
01:22:50,400 --> 01:23:00,520
 or some kind of network space and other modes that could be available to the users.

848
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:09,120
 Some of the selected strategies among Objective 8A to C talk about building connected and

849
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,760
 inclusive active transportation network.

850
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:17,680
 It also talks about fostering public-private partnerships to supporting bicycling.

851
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:26,380
 This would include bike-share programs that are common in many large cities and are effectively

852
01:23:26,380 --> 01:23:28,920
 used in university towns.

853
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:38,360
 And it also points towards identifying citywide infrastructure need that are needed to create

854
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:43,800
 interconnected multi-trail system.

855
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:51,080
 When it comes to Objective 9, there are three, there are four segments for Objective 9.

856
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:56,600
 Objective 9A talks about designing bicycle and pedestrian facilities using consistent

857
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:57,600
 standards.

858
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:04,520
 So not only the Objective 8 was talking about how the system should be implemented, and

859
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,960
 the connectivity, the gaps, the first and last mile.

860
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:12,520
 Objective 9 is now talking about how do we implement that and what the design standards

861
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:13,760
 would be.

862
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:18,800
 And it also talks about in Objective 9B to strengthen and broaden safety enforcement

863
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,920
 for bicycle or bike paths.

864
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:29,560
 So within the designs, how we can look into the systems like bollards or separate lanes

865
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:36,520
 or block lanes and door zones, all those considerations are covered in this.

866
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:43,600
 Objective 9C focuses on ensuring bicycle and pedestrian facilities remain clean and safe

867
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,040
 for all users.

868
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:53,400
 Again, the discussion on confusion could be also covered in this, where we could re-stripe

869
01:24:53,400 --> 01:25:00,560
 or paint the bike lanes to ensure that they are clear and they are clear to the users.

870
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:07,400
 And then, of course, the cleanliness of the facilities themselves is also in consideration.

871
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:12,800
 Increasing the education of bicycle and pedestrian safety, that is indirectly or directly talking

872
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:19,800
 about public engagement sessions and awareness programs on what are the needs of the users

873
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:25,540
 in the city, within the city, and how systems could be further improved via public engagement

874
01:25:25,540 --> 01:25:30,580
 sessions and awareness.

875
01:25:30,580 --> 01:25:36,920
 The mobility plan also talks about pedestrian plan, and it prioritizes walking investment

876
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,120
 for safety and equity.

877
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:44,960
 This would essentially focus on covering areas that are transportation-disadvantaged communities

878
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:52,520
 or vulnerable communities where there are accessibility issues, things such as availability

879
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:59,360
 of go zones, if there are zero-car households, or transportation accessibility issues.

880
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:04,640
 If there are bike users present, then bike lanes' availability should be there.

881
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:12,920
 Providing a visionary roadmap for a walkable city, this potentially points towards developing

882
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,640
 a walkability index for the city.

883
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:21,260
 Staff is already looking into that aspect, and we are, block by block, there's a possibility

884
01:26:21,260 --> 01:26:27,440
 of developing a tool during the prioritization process where we will look into the walkability

885
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:35,640
 index of the core areas, and include that in the prioritization process.

886
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:42,520
 And then it also talks about complementing other mobility plans, items, including thoroughfare

887
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,720
 plan, bicycle plan, and ADA transition plan.

888
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:55,640
 The ADA transition plan is core of any pedestrian project because it is from accessibility standpoint.

889
01:26:55,640 --> 01:27:05,160
 It not only talks about how to provide those detectable surfaces, but also ensuring that

890
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:11,000
 the crosswalks are not only for regular users, but they are ADA compliant in terms of pedestrian

891
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:16,260
 signals and voice activation and many other guidelines that come with it.

892
01:27:16,260 --> 01:27:17,920
 And then they are complete.

893
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:25,480
 One of the aspects that we are trying to achieve is that the bike, when it comes to ADA compliance,

894
01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:28,720
 we are trying to ensure that the trip is complete.

895
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:37,040
 So any public building or any major attraction near a bus stop, the trip has to be completed

896
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:43,800
 for any ADA or special ADA accessibility users from the bus stop to that public building

897
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,720
 or attraction where that trip would be generated for.

898
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:57,760
 And then given the growth and economic activity that we are anticipating within by 2050, that's

899
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,520
 also core of it.

900
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:04,240
 Whatever planning that transportation service is doing will be part of the process.

901
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:10,360
 And we have, we are aware of the demographic data sets and how it changes in our region,

902
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,160
 in our city, in the county.

903
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:20,840
 And we are using that data set obtained from NCTCOG for all our planning purposes.

904
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:27,020
 And we are, we will be continuously coordinating with the ADA transition plan.

905
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:32,160
 That is also one of the core direction that mobility plan provides to the planners, that

906
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:38,280
 we have to ensure that all our planning activities are coordinated with the ADA transition plan.

907
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:46,180
 And for all our projects, ADA and road safety is an integral part of all the projects that

908
01:28:46,180 --> 01:28:53,040
 transportation services is planning to implement and even conducting studies for, planning

909
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,680
 studies for.

910
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:07,200
 So when it comes to key bicycle and pedestrian initiatives, transportation services has been

911
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:18,040
 proactively applying for funding for many projects all across different focus areas.

912
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:25,680
 But as I stated earlier, that whatever projects we apply, we ensure that bike, pad, and ADA

913
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:26,680
 grants are covered.

914
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:33,520
 For instance, we recently received 2024 Safe Streets and Road for All grant by US DOT that

915
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:38,080
 was awarded about $740,000.

916
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:44,480
 And a major part of this grant, well, a big portion of the grant would be on, spent on

917
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,480
 demonstrations projects.

918
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:50,320
 And all of those demonstration projects will have bike, pad component.

919
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:57,360
 Western Boulevard project has been awarded around $7 million and then there are two components.

920
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:02,120
 One is Safe Routes to School and then even Western Boulevard itself.

921
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:06,840
 Both of these projects will have bike, pad components in it, in them.

922
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:11,800
 The Safe Route to School projects will have, will look into that as well as the Western

923
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,920
 Boulevard expansion project.

924
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:20,800
 We have applied for 2025 TRIP for about $4 million.

925
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:22,400
 We are looking at $2 to $4 million.

926
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,440
 I think the amount is $2 million.

927
01:30:24,440 --> 01:30:26,680
 I apologize for this mission.

928
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,280
 And so that has been applied.

929
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:39,160
 And if awarded, that will update our mobility plan and also bike, pad component of the mobility

930
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,680
 plan and ADA transition plan.

931
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:49,240
 For all of these three updates, we have bike, pad component as a core part of this update

932
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:50,240
 process.

933
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:51,240
 And the list goes on.

934
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:55,800
 We are also in consideration for Economic Development Assistance Resilience Grant.

935
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:01,840
 That will be around $2 million and that will also have bike, pad, the comprehensive plan

936
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:06,920
 update process will look into the bike, pad components as well.

937
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,600
 And so there is a lot of activity that is going on.

938
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:17,320
 All of these processes, staff ensures that they are in line with comprehensive plan guidelines

939
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:21,480
 and then mobility plan goals and strategies.

940
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:27,440
 And then we define our projects within those, within the fold of those goals and strategies

941
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:32,000
 that are defined there.

942
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:36,480
 For staff, why it is extremely important to align with the comprehensive plan and mobility

943
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:44,040
 plan because this gives us direction, this instead of reacting to the situations, it

944
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:50,400
 helps us analyze and ensure that are we in line with our comprehensive planning goals

945
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:56,440
 and mobility plan goals and strategies or are we just reacting to a short term situation.

946
01:31:56,440 --> 01:31:59,160
 In some cases, short term situations are important.

947
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:05,600
 If it is critical, if it is safety centric, if it can save lives, yes, they get priority.

948
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:12,520
 But generally staff tend to align with these mid-term to long-term goals and would prioritize

949
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:20,160
 projects keeping those in view and ensuring that we are delivering safe and convenient

950
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:25,720
 active transportation system for the road users in the city.

951
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:34,000
 That's it, I think that's, oh, there is one.

952
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:45,160
 Here is, when it comes to our, yeah, when it comes to our plan, right now we are going

953
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:53,920
 through bike lane and sidewalk criteria calibration as Dr. Admonani shared in earlier presentation.

954
01:32:53,920 --> 01:33:00,560
 So that is anticipated to be completed by the end of January.

955
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:05,640
 We evaluate, prepare and submit DCTA trip project that is in line and going parallel

956
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:06,640
 by 2026.

957
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:13,280
 So some of that time will be used by the end of March, we have to complete that.

958
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:18,200
 But at the same time, this work on criteria would continue on the side.

959
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:24,680
 And then once we have submitted the DCTA projects, some of those would also be part of the prioritization.

960
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:32,680
 We will start looking into the prioritization of projects that are, we have right now a

961
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:37,800
 list of projects which includes more than 50 or 60 projects and we will be prioritizing

962
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:45,240
 those and coming up with workable, constructable, implementable projects that are prioritized,

963
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:50,400
 five or ten shortlisted so that we can focus on those in the short term.

964
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,400
 And then we will induct those projects into work plans.

965
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:58,000
 We will share those with CIP, we will share those with parks and rec if they are related

966
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,000
 to them.

967
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,800
 And we will also share with the regional stakeholders, tax dot and NCTCOG, if they can prioritize

968
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:04,800
 those as well.

969
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:09,400
 In many cases they are looking for projects and they could include them in their work

970
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,080
 plans as well.

971
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:20,560
 We have demonstration by this, all of this activity will be done by May of 2026 and then

972
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:26,280
 we are hoping that the rest of the project will, any demonstration project will kick

973
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,160
 off after that.

974
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:33,880
 And we will also be pursuing, continuously pursuing federal and state and local funding

975
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:40,200
 opportunities be it NCTCOG, USDOT, tax dot and county, we are constantly in touch with

976
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:44,120
 these regional stakeholders and we are looking for opportunities where we can bring more

977
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:50,520
 funds to implement these bike path and active transportation projects.

978
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,800
 And that's the last slide.

979
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:53,800
 >> Thank you.

980
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:54,800
 Thank you so much.

981
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:55,800
 I was very informative.

982
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:56,880
 I appreciate all of that.

983
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:03,000
 On that last slide, I think I had been asking for this last slide throughout this time as

984
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,360
 to when all of this is going to occur.

985
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:11,360
 I'll take advantage of this opportunity while I'm speaking very quickly to ask about these

986
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,720
 demonstration projects.

987
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:18,640
 Those are going to be some physical, you know, physical things that we can see and the community

988
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:25,440
 will be invited in to take a look at these certain things.

989
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:30,240
 I don't know, walkability paths and all of that that's going to be all over the city.

990
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:34,360
 I mean, what do we, what does a demonstration project look like?

991
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:40,040
 >> So once we have a prioritized list, we, so there are demonstration projects that are

992
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:47,520
 already in consideration for our SS4A 2024 award for $740,000.

993
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,400
 And a part of that would be used for a demonstration project.

994
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:56,840
 When it comes to demonstration projects, they would be selected from the prioritized projects,

995
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,960
 one or two projects, depending on the budget allocations, availability of funds.

996
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,480
 And then, yes, the public engagement process will be an integral part of that.

997
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:11,480
 We'll just take those concepts to public sessions and get the feedback.

998
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:18,320
 In many cases, if the project is not well-liked, and if it is not safety priority, we'll choose

999
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,600
 the next available prioritized project and start the process.

1000
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:29,000
 But in doing so, what we are hoping is that we will be able to demonstrate one fully connected,

1001
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:37,720
 impactful project that changes the way BikePad is visualized by the road users in the city.

1002
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:42,080
 And the whole perception, we are hoping that it will change the perception.

1003
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:43,080
 >> Okay.

1004
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,080
 Thank you very much.

1005
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:45,080
 That's the only question that I had.

1006
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:46,800
 Did you have any questions?

1007
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:47,800
 >> Yeah.

1008
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:56,620
 So in this process of developing this, okay, for the new construction coming in, are the

1009
01:36:56,620 --> 01:37:02,200
 new developers going to be required to put in these bike lanes and things when they build

1010
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:06,520
 those roads that they're building all over the place?

1011
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,720
 >> These are context-sensitive.

1012
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:13,920
 It all depends on what kind of development is there and how large it is, all those discussions.

1013
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,400
 But typically, yes, the large developments, they include those in their plans.

1014
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:18,400
 >> All right.

1015
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:19,400
 All right.

1016
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:20,400
 >> That's what I wanted to know.

1017
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:21,400
 >> Because we've got some large developments coming in.

1018
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:22,400
 >> Yes.

1019
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:23,400
 >> Nothing.

1020
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:24,400
 Nothing.

1021
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:25,400
 >> Okay.

1022
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:26,400
 Great.

1023
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:27,400
 >> No.

1024
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:28,400
 I appreciate that, Chair.

1025
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:29,400
 No, I love the planning.

1026
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:36,400
 I love that you're doing these things, we can't and letting us know what the vision is, and

1027
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:43,040
 my only gentle comment is similar to James and that was, or sorry, Member Ziegall's comments,

1028
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:51,080
 and that is we have development pressures that y'all know and see and live and swim

1029
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:55,400
 around in on a daily basis more than we could possibly understand, even though we're approving

1030
01:37:55,400 --> 01:38:05,240
 or not on them, and it feels like there are times where we have a comp plan and we have

1031
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:10,920
 a focus and we're trying to do it, and while we don't want to be rigid, we also seem like

1032
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:16,880
 we flop around a little bit on our mobility plans, on our bike plans, in response to some

1033
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,360
 of the developments that comes in.

1034
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:29,880
 And so I guess I'm gently asking us to maybe address how that, how when we are being forced

1035
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:36,680
 to be reactive, I'm asking us to say, well, this is the impact that this reactivity is

1036
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,280
 going to cause.

1037
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:42,760
 It's going to cause all these dominoes to do this, and if you're going to do that, that's

1038
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:50,600
 great, but just do it affirmatively and not accidentally, reactively is all I'm asking.

1039
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:55,800
 Yes, staff will do that and we are more and more proactively trying to address this issue

1040
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,040
 and hoping that this will continue.

1041
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,040
 Appreciate that.

1042
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,040
 Thank you.

1043
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:02,040
 Alright, anyone else?

1044
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:03,040
 Okay.

1045
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,040
 Great.

1046
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:05,040
 Thank you very much.

1047
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:06,040
 Thank you so much.

1048
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,040
 We appreciate that.

1049
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,040
 Thank you.

1050
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,040
 I like that plan of action and timeframe, the visual there.

1051
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:16,880
 MC 25-064, staff memorandum, the side path work plan update.

1052
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:17,880
 Nutsess.

1053
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:18,880
 Uh-oh.

1054
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,280
 Somebody's complaining about Seth.

1055
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,680
 No, we love Seth.

1056
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:24,680
 No, we don't.

1057
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:25,680
 We do.

1058
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:26,680
 Alright.

1059
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:29,680
 No, I don't want to say that too loud.

1060
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,480
 You said it on Michael.

1061
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:33,480
 Uh-oh.

1062
01:39:33,480 --> 01:39:38,560
 So we'll go ahead and work through the staff memo, so again, the first one was the update

1063
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,160
 to the side path work plan update.

1064
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:46,520
 So that was covered today by both Farhan in that first presentation that you saw.

1065
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:50,960
 We do have a couple of items that Transportation Services is bringing forward to council that

1066
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:51,960
 you can see there.

1067
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:57,200
 A speed limit change on Mayhill Road and then some changes to the Sam Houston Elementary

1068
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:01,640
 School Zone.

1069
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,840
 Okay.

1070
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:10,320
 So Councilmember Beck did catch my math error, so I interpreted the information that my staff

1071
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:14,600
 provided to me incorrectly on the total lane miles.

1072
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:19,320
 So total lane miles constructed is 74.8.

1073
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:30,760
 50.53 of that was done by Capital Projects, 24.27 is new development lane miles that were

1074
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,640
 added by development.

1075
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:42,460
 And then of the 50.53, 37.72 was done by the 2019 bond program in the neighborhood section.

1076
01:40:42,460 --> 01:40:49,720
 So thank you for catching that, 74.8 is the total lane miles that was reconstructed or

1077
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,600
 accepted by the city.

1078
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:53,600
 Quick question.

1079
01:40:53,600 --> 01:41:00,840
 The bond, are we done with the usage of the bond for the lane miles for 19?

1080
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:02,200
 We are not done yet.

1081
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:08,600
 So 2026 is when we're projected to be done with construction for the current packages.

1082
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:13,320
 We still have four packages that are going to be unfunded that will be brought before

1083
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,600
 council through the budget process for future consideration.

1084
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:17,600
 Thank you.

1085
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,600
 Yes, ma'am.

1086
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:27,880
 Okay and then 2023 mobility minutes, we realized that we had an error when we moved traffic

1087
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:29,800
 safety and made the new mobility committee.

1088
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:34,880
 We never brought the 2020 December 20th, 2023 minutes to you guys.

1089
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:41,240
 So those are attached as an exhibit as well.

1090
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,940
 All right.

1091
01:41:43,940 --> 01:41:47,720
 So next we'll cover the future items matrix.

1092
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:55,200
 So we are requesting to remove three items, items three and four and then also item 12

1093
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:59,040
 that was the design criteria manual updates today.

1094
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:05,960
 Item three is the sidewalk plan and item four was the bike funds project criteria which

1095
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:08,200
 were covered through a couple of presentations today.

1096
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:13,320
 Okay and then 12 I see down there the design criteria manual which is what we discussed

1097
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:14,320
 today.

1098
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,120
 Council Member Begg?

1099
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:25,000
 So I will make a motion to do this but I thought as we got into the meeting there was a discussion

1100
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:31,200
 that we, the chair, we were asked to have about votes going forward on this process

1101
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,400
 or are we not doing that, chair?

1102
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:34,400
 You're the chair.

1103
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:37,440
 Well and I appreciate you bringing that up because I did have that in the back of my

1104
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:38,440
 mind.

1105
01:42:38,440 --> 01:42:42,120
 Am I understanding that we're no longer going to do the matrix?

1106
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:46,440
 I mean we're not going to, we're not voting on it.

1107
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:47,440
 Right.

1108
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:49,880
 There won't be a vote required because it'll be part of the staff memo.

1109
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:56,160
 It'll still be reviewed every week or every meeting with the committee and you can still

1110
01:42:56,160 --> 01:43:01,720
 request to add things on it but staff will kind of remove things as they've been presented

1111
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:03,760
 to you without the need for a vote.

1112
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:08,200
 Because is it being shown that we generally say yes to all of these things or we vote

1113
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:11,000
 on yes all the time anyway?

1114
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:17,700
 Is that why we are making this particular decision not to necessarily vote on it because

1115
01:43:17,700 --> 01:43:19,280
 we are always in agreement?

1116
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:22,680
 Yeah, and I think that's just how we handle it with other committees, so just consistency

1117
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,640
 across the boards and commissions.

1118
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,320
 Thank you.

1119
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:32,080
 As part of the discussion I just, I guess, I've seen that in other committees that things

1120
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:37,880
 come on and off the matrix fairly readily with or without votes.

1121
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:44,120
 I guess I don't have a concern as long as things can, as long as we go, as long as whatever

1122
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:49,920
 committee we're on says, yeah, no, we don't want to not revisit that, like I know staff

1123
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,640
 you want to be done with that but we're not done with it.

1124
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:58,240
 As long as that's available to the committee then I don't really care about the mechanism.

1125
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:07,640
 But now in some cases we may say, we may have yes up there but council member Beck may make

1126
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:13,120
 a point to have to want to revisit that but it's already shown up there.

1127
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,520
 Yeah in those cases we would just leave it on the matrix.

1128
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,680
 Okay, so y'all are going to be keeping up with that?

1129
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:19,680
 Yes ma'am.

1130
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:20,680
 Just as we currently do.

1131
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:21,680
 Y'all got to keep up with it.

1132
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:22,680
 Okay.

1133
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:26,520
 Because if it's going to come up, we know council member Beck is going to.

1134
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,480
 Why, I don't have a point on this.

1135
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:33,000
 Okay, so are we, I guess we don't even have to have a vote on this, right?

1136
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,160
 Do we have to have a vote that we're going to?

1137
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:36,160
 No, no vote needed.

1138
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:37,160
 So it's a no vote?

1139
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:38,160
 We're not posted for a vote.

1140
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:39,160
 Yeah.

1141
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:40,160
 Okay.

1142
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:41,160
 So whatever.

1143
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:42,160
 Sounds like there's nothing else.

1144
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:46,840
 I had to say in that regard and then what about future matrix items?

1145
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:53,680
 We have that, the 20 meeting staff memorandum, if there's not anything else to conclude with,

1146
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,400
 do we have any kind of concluding items?

1147
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:58,560
 Anybody want to do any concluding items?

1148
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:04,360
 All right, if there's not any concluding items then we will end our meeting at approximately

1149
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:07,260
 1145.

1150
01:45:07,260 --> 01:45:08,260
 Thank you all very much.

1151
01:45:08,260 --> 01:45:09,260
 Thank you.

1152
01:45:09,260 --> 01:45:09,760
 For everything.