WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.120 Good morning, and welcome to the regularly scheduled meeting of the Denton Public Utility 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:07.120 Board. 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:12.360 Today is Monday, December 15, and it is 9.03 a.m. 00:00:12.360 --> 00:00:17.920 Our first item on our agenda is presentations from members of the public. 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.880 Are there any presentations? 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:25.120 Seeing none, we will move on to the consent agenda. 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:36.080 Would any member like to pull an item for discussion? 00:00:36.080 --> 00:00:39.560 Chair would entertain a motion for approval of the consent agenda. 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:43.920 Mr. Newquist moved, I think Susan seconds. 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:49.080 We have a motion and a second, all in favor say aye. 00:00:49.080 --> 00:00:52.240 Motion carries unanimously. 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:57.320 Moving on to items for individual consideration, our first item for individual consideration 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:03.520 is approval of the October 27th minutes. 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:12.040 We have a motion for approval and a second. 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:14.680 All in favor say aye. 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:17.060 Motion carries unanimously. 00:01:17.060 --> 00:01:24.880 Next item is approval of the November 17th minutes. 00:01:24.880 --> 00:01:28.440 I think it was declaring that we did not have quorum. 00:01:28.440 --> 00:01:31.720 We have a motion from Mr. Rayner, second from Mr. Rybeck. 00:01:31.720 --> 00:01:34.200 All in favor say aye. 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.000 Motion passes unanimously. 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:42.120 Our next item for individual consideration, I believe we have a discussion on competitive 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:48.440 matters that will happen in closed session on this item so we will delay item C regarding 00:01:48.440 --> 00:01:57.800 TCRF large load costs until after we go to closed session after the work session. 00:01:57.800 --> 00:02:07.280 So moving on to item D for individual consideration, we have a recommending adoption of an ordinance 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:14.160 for the City of Denton with integrated power for transmission line construction and maintenance 00:02:14.160 --> 00:02:22.960 for $67,990,000. 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:23.960 >> Good morning. 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:25.460 Mark Zimmer, DME engineering. 00:02:25.460 --> 00:02:29.680 For your consideration this morning is a contract for electric transmission line construction 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:30.680 services. 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:39.280 DME has many CIP projects that require transmission line construction services which include constructing 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:46.280 transmission foundation, erecting steel towers, installing transmission conductor. 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:54.040 This contract will be used for these services also used for emergency services. 00:02:54.040 --> 00:02:59.360 On this slide is listing of the CIP projects used to develop the contract amount for the 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:00.360 next five years. 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.960 These projects are grouped by DME, TMPA, and TxDOT. 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:10.360 The costs for the projects listed as DME will be recovered through the TCO system. 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:17.200 The projects listed as TMPA and TxDOT will be reimbursable by those agencies. 00:03:17.200 --> 00:03:25.040 DME developed an RFP to solicit for these services and three proposals were received. 00:03:25.040 --> 00:03:33.880 The proposals were evaluated for safety, quality, schedule, and price. 00:03:33.880 --> 00:03:37.800 Integrated power evaluated the highest. 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:41.960 Based on the results of the RFP, integrated power company received the highest evaluated 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:45.000 score and lowest overall price. 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.120 Staff recommends approval of an agreement with integrated power company for transmission 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:55.160 line construction services in an amount not to exceed $67,990. 00:03:55.160 --> 00:03:59.560 As a reminder DME is not obligated to spend any amount under this contract and the majority 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:05.920 of this total will be recoverable through TCO or through reimbursable measures. 00:04:05.920 --> 00:04:11.080 Excuse me, you mentioned the majority would be recovered. 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:17.240 Do you have kind of a broad range of percentage of what that would be? 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.800 The piece that won't be recoverable is any distribution cost associated with this. 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:25.640 In some cases there's distribution installed on these transmission lines and so any work 00:04:25.640 --> 00:04:28.720 for that won't be recoverable, but everything else will. 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.040 It's probably like a 90/10 split, something like that. 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:32.040 I'm sorry, say again? 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:35.040 90/10, 90%, 90%. 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:36.040 That's very high. 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:37.040 Thank you. 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:38.040 Yes, sir. 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:43.800 Could you go back to the project slide, slide I think three? 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:48.920 So obviously these numbers add up to that $67 million. 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:53.860 In the next five years, in the last five years we've seen significant inflation in capital 00:04:53.860 --> 00:04:54.860 costs. 00:04:54.860 --> 00:04:55.860 Yes, sir. 00:04:55.860 --> 00:05:01.880 Do these numbers include any kind of expected increase in cost for year four, year five? 00:05:01.880 --> 00:05:06.840 They do, yes sir, and the contract also allows for the escalation that we'll work through 00:05:06.840 --> 00:05:11.920 with the purchasing department if that comes up. 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:16.640 Is there any other questions on the audit? 00:05:16.640 --> 00:05:21.480 On the cost proposal, there's a big difference in the pricing. 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.660 Are we concerned about that at all? 00:05:23.660 --> 00:05:24.660 Not typically. 00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:28.600 The two other proposals that we received are very large companies and we typically see 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:39.800 just large prices from those. 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.880 Senator would entertain a motion for approval and a second. 00:05:44.880 --> 00:05:47.160 All in favor say aye. 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:49.280 Any opposed, sign the same. 00:05:49.280 --> 00:05:51.960 Motion carries unanimously. 00:05:51.960 --> 00:05:59.200 Our next order of business is consider recommending adoption of an ordinance with the City of 00:05:59.200 --> 00:06:04.160 Denton and Stewart C. Irby Company for the purchase of high voltage circuit breakers 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.200 for $22,257,824. 00:06:06.200 --> 00:06:12.060 Yes sir, very consideration as a multi-year contract for purchase of high voltage circuit 00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:14.840 breakers for DME CIP projects. 00:06:14.840 --> 00:06:19.400 High voltage circuit breakers are used in all DME substations to interrupt the flow of fault 00:06:19.400 --> 00:06:26.600 current typically caused by lightning, lightning strikes on power lines, animals, failed equipment, 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:28.000 and other causes. 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.560 Circuit breakers are required equipment in our substations. 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.840 They limit the damage caused by fault current or needed to isolate equipment for outages 00:06:36.840 --> 00:06:40.680 and maintenance purposes. 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:46.560 This slide shows typical lead times of two to four years for this type of equipment for 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.060 domestically manufactured high voltage circuit breakers. 00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:54.800 This kind of indicates the level of planning that's required to complete our projects on 00:06:54.800 --> 00:07:00.200 time and that's why this slide is being included. 00:07:00.200 --> 00:07:04.780 DME developed an RFP to solicit a unit cost contract to purchase high voltage circuit 00:07:04.780 --> 00:07:08.560 breakers from two domestic manufacturers. 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:14.160 Two proposals were received and Stewart Irby Company was evaluated the highest mainly due 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:18.520 to cost. 00:07:18.520 --> 00:07:22.920 On this slide is a listing of the types of circuit breakers and maximum quantities that 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:27.800 DME plans to purchase under this contract and of course this contract doesn't require 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:35.600 any minimum purchase, purchase orders will be issued as as needed for each project. 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.760 Staff recommends approval and agreement with Stewart Irby for the purchase of high voltage 00:07:39.760 --> 00:07:46.440 circuit breakers and not to exceed amount of $22,257,824. 00:07:46.440 --> 00:07:52.200 Question, have we used them before? 00:07:52.200 --> 00:07:53.200 Yes sir. 00:07:53.200 --> 00:07:54.640 And what is the history with that? 00:07:54.640 --> 00:08:00.560 How often do we, I know you said two to four year lead so are they a long standing company 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.280 we've used for the past ten years, fifteen, whatever? 00:08:03.280 --> 00:08:04.280 Yes sir. 00:08:04.280 --> 00:08:09.400 We've purchased, Stewart Irby is the distributor and the manufacturer is Siemens. 00:08:09.400 --> 00:08:14.600 We've used Siemens breakers for as far as I know at least 20 years. 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:19.040 Good quality breakers made in Mississippi I believe. 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.360 So yes, haven't had any issues with them. 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:22.360 Thank you. 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:23.360 Yes sir. 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:33.880 I'm curious the total quantity of like 50 or so total breakers are those, is that all 00:08:33.880 --> 00:08:40.080 new expansion or does that include replacement of end of service equipment? 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:41.560 It's all new, yeah. 00:08:41.560 --> 00:08:45.240 So most of the circuit breakers in our system are less than 20 years old now because we've 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.120 done so many projects over the last 20 years. 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:51.360 The existing circuit breakers are fairly new and don't need to be replaced. 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.960 So this is all kind of all new transmission system. 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:54.960 That's right. 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:55.960 Yes sir. 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:56.960 Thank you. 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.760 Any further questions? 00:08:59.760 --> 00:09:04.320 Just personal curiosity question, when you showed the cost of the different types of 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.800 breakers you could go back to that. 00:09:07.800 --> 00:09:18.520 I noticed that the 345 kV circuit breakers were worth about three times as much as the 00:09:18.520 --> 00:09:19.800 138 kV. 00:09:19.800 --> 00:09:25.160 So I'm just curious, I realize it's much higher voltage potential. 00:09:25.160 --> 00:09:28.600 So is there something different about those breakers that makes them more expensive? 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:32.480 They're physically very large breakers. 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:38.460 And also a difference is the 138 kV breakers are assembled together in one assembly. 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:41.920 These 345 kV breakers are three individual separate assemblies. 00:09:41.920 --> 00:09:43.880 Are these all gas filled breakers? 00:09:43.880 --> 00:09:45.520 They are SF6 gas filled breakers. 00:09:45.520 --> 00:09:46.520 Thank you. 00:09:46.520 --> 00:09:57.040 Any other questions? 00:09:57.040 --> 00:10:00.400 We have a motion for approval and a second from Mr. Ryback. 00:10:00.400 --> 00:10:02.040 All in favor say aye. 00:10:02.040 --> 00:10:03.040 Aye. 00:10:03.040 --> 00:10:04.040 Any opposed? 00:10:04.040 --> 00:10:05.040 Sign the same. 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:07.800 The motion carries unanimously. 00:10:07.800 --> 00:10:13.840 And now we move on to management reports. 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.480 Good morning Chair and PB members. 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:22.240 You have in your packet several memos. 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.560 I'm here to entertain we have staff here if you have any questions regarding those memorandums. 00:10:26.560 --> 00:10:34.200 I don't have a question, but I'm having a little trouble hearing you. 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:35.200 I wondered if you could speak. 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:36.200 Is that better? 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:37.200 A little better. 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:38.200 Thank you. 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:39.200 All right. 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:40.200 I'll get a little closer. 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:41.200 I'm soft spoken. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:44.160 So no questions on the memos. 00:10:44.160 --> 00:10:51.440 The only thing I have for the future PB items is I guess on January 12th we're going to 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:56.560 receive motions and hold elections for the Chair and Vice Chair and Secretary positions. 00:10:56.560 --> 00:10:57.560 That's on the schedule. 00:10:57.560 --> 00:11:03.840 I did have a question on the first item. 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:11.560 So I don't recall having seen one of these before, where everything was just moved directly 00:11:11.560 --> 00:11:12.560 to the council. 00:11:12.560 --> 00:11:17.480 I'm curious if this is something that is normal procedure or out of the ordinary? 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.320 That we move the items directly to council? 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:21.880 Is that what you're asking? 00:11:21.880 --> 00:11:22.880 Yes. 00:11:22.880 --> 00:11:28.360 Yeah, the PUB there wasn't a quorum and we needed we had deadlines that we had to meet. 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:35.060 So we took the items all to council for approval and then we were coming back to update the 00:11:35.060 --> 00:11:37.200 board on the results of that. 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:38.200 Okay. 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:39.200 I was just curious. 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.400 I just don't remember seeing one of these before. 00:11:41.400 --> 00:11:42.400 It happens very rarely. 00:11:42.400 --> 00:11:45.600 We have done it in the past when I was chair. 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:49.000 We did it a couple of times and it was the same thing because we didn't have a quorum 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.280 and they can't hold up buying stuff. 00:11:52.280 --> 00:11:56.320 I understand the mechanics of it. 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:57.320 I was just curious. 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:00.500 I hadn't recalled seeing one of these on my time on the board. 00:12:00.500 --> 00:12:06.920 I believe we had one over the holidays last year too where we didn't have meetings because 00:12:06.920 --> 00:12:10.480 of the holiday schedule and then there were some urgent things that had to be purchased 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:11.960 by December 31st. 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:18.120 That's correct. 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:24.760 If there are no further questions on management reports, we can move on to our work session. 00:12:24.760 --> 00:12:30.360 Leave a report and hold a discussion regarding the updates to the City of Denton Design Criteria 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:44.840 Manual. 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:45.840 Good morning. 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:49.760 I'm Mike Linder, a drainage engineer and I'm here to speak with you about some proposed 00:12:49.760 --> 00:12:54.640 updates to the City of Denton Design Criteria Manual. 00:12:54.640 --> 00:12:56.600 Just a brief overview of what we're going to cover today. 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.960 We're going to look at our public outreach plan, go over some background of what the 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.560 design criteria manuals are, how they're used within the city, we'll highlight some of the 00:13:07.560 --> 00:13:13.040 more significant updates from each section of the manual and discuss our next steps. 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:18.120 Now the design criteria manual is an extremely technical document and it touches on a wide 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:23.920 variety of topics so we do have our subject matter experts here on hand to answer any 00:13:23.920 --> 00:13:29.920 questions that you may have that I may not be able to address. 00:13:29.920 --> 00:13:35.400 So our public outreach plan, as you can see, it's fairly extensive just due to the wide 00:13:35.400 --> 00:13:42.280 variety of projects, both city capital projects and private development projects that are 00:13:42.280 --> 00:13:45.640 impacted by this document. 00:13:45.640 --> 00:13:51.120 It's always a big push to get the information out there and solicit any comments or feedback. 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.920 We kick this off in September by letting the development community, putting them on notice 00:13:55.920 --> 00:14:03.720 that these updates were coming, published a draft of the proposed updates online in October 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:09.400 and we give various presentations both to the development community and other professional 00:14:09.400 --> 00:14:14.640 organizations and bring it before the city, before the various boards and commissions. 00:14:14.640 --> 00:14:18.880 We're currently anticipating a public hearing mid-January with an effective date of February 00:14:18.880 --> 00:14:24.120 1st, 2026. 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:28.320 Some background on kind of how we do this, the process of updating the manuals. 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:35.280 Again, since this is a really technical document that touches on a lot of different departments, 00:14:35.280 --> 00:14:39.600 we bring those subject matter experts together to review the document and review all the 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:45.160 comments that have been collected since the previous updates both from internal stakeholders 00:14:45.160 --> 00:14:51.840 and people outside of the organization and create an initial internal draft of that document 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:56.360 that we then work with the larger group, send it out to all the department heads for them 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:03.000 to disseminate to their staff, have a series of in-person meetings to review all the changes, 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.440 make sure everybody's on board, that there's no conflicts before we arrive at a final internal 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:13.120 draft that's then posted online, shared with the public, brought before the various boards 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:22.240 and commissions, again, with ultimate adoption anticipated in February 1st. 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:27.240 So just some context on kind of what this manual is, how it's used in the city. 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.840 The city actually has a number of governing documents, and there's an established hierarchy 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:32.840 to these. 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:38.240 Honestly, probably the top governing document that's not published on this slide would be 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:43.920 the 2040 comprehensive plan that's kind of the overall guiding the direction of the city 00:15:43.920 --> 00:15:48.360 and the aspirations of the direction the city wants to go. 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:54.200 Underneath that is the debt and development code, which lays out policies and procedures 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.880 for zoning and subdivision regulations. 00:15:56.880 --> 00:15:59.640 It's a planning level document. 00:15:59.640 --> 00:16:05.260 Below that is the design criteria manual, what we're discussing today, which is a technical 00:16:05.260 --> 00:16:11.400 engineering resource that lays out the appropriate design methodologies to be used for public 00:16:11.400 --> 00:16:13.440 infrastructure. 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:20.480 Underneath that are the construction specifications, which discuss appropriate construction methodologies, 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:26.240 how to actually build what's been designed, and then lastly we have the standard details, 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:31.200 which actually provide detailed depictions of infrastructure to be constructed. 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:36.280 So these all touch on projects at a different point in their life cycle, and they all kind 00:16:36.280 --> 00:16:41.080 of work together. 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.880 So we'll cover some of the more significant updates from the different sections in the 00:16:44.880 --> 00:16:45.880 manual. 00:16:45.880 --> 00:16:51.320 Solid waste, we only had one significant update, and that was some additional guidance on the 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:56.740 design of side load enclosures, just for sites that have particular constraints and don't 00:16:56.740 --> 00:17:03.680 allow for a more typical front load enclosure. 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:11.840 On the storm water section we're proposing to allow a new pipe material, polypropylene. 00:17:11.840 --> 00:17:16.920 Currently the only approved pipe material in the storm water system is reinforced concrete, 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:22.920 and we've received a lot of questions and comments for several years on why are no alternate 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:25.080 materials allowed. 00:17:25.080 --> 00:17:30.740 City staff conducted an investigation over approximately a year where we met with various 00:17:30.740 --> 00:17:35.280 vendors, coordinated with other cities, spoke with their staff, kind of got feedback from 00:17:35.280 --> 00:17:42.080 them and their experiences, visited multiple construction sites in the area, saw other 00:17:42.080 --> 00:17:48.960 materials being used, and we're confident that polypropylene has appropriate applications 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.620 throughout the city and will help lower prices. 00:17:51.620 --> 00:17:55.440 So we're proposing that that be a new allowed material. 00:17:55.440 --> 00:18:03.400 We're also proposing to require that larger developments, disturbing greater than an acre, 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:09.260 remove a majority of suspended sediment from the storm water before it leaves their site. 00:18:09.260 --> 00:18:13.320 This is currently included in the manual just as a recommendation. 00:18:13.320 --> 00:18:16.360 We're proposing to make it a requirement. 00:18:16.360 --> 00:18:21.600 That offers several benefits, one, if that sediment is removed on site before it enters 00:18:21.600 --> 00:18:27.000 the public system, that's not pushing the cost of cleaning once that sediment settles 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.320 out in our culverts, our pipes, our channels. 00:18:30.320 --> 00:18:34.680 It doesn't become -- it doesn't add to the public maintenance cost. 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.840 There's also regulatory pressures. 00:18:36.840 --> 00:18:42.320 This is currently a requirement from the EPA in other states. 00:18:42.320 --> 00:18:45.480 We have a storm water discharge permit, our MS4 permit. 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.440 We fully expect that that requirement will come to Texas in the future. 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.440 So it's coming to us one way or another, and this allows us to get ahead of it and get 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.080 the development community used to these practices. 00:18:56.080 --> 00:19:00.600 We also believe it will result in smaller overall detention ponds by kind of separating 00:19:00.600 --> 00:19:06.280 out that flood control from the water treatment aspect of it and result in more developable 00:19:06.280 --> 00:19:07.280 land for developments. 00:19:07.280 --> 00:19:13.400 >> Excuse me, I have a question before you move on. 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:14.400 >> Absolutely. 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:21.720 >> Do you have a polypropylene pipe in place of the concrete drainage piping? 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.040 Does it have the strength to hold up the ground over it? 00:19:25.040 --> 00:19:26.040 >> It does. 00:19:26.040 --> 00:19:31.240 It is a rigid material, and there was some apprehension among staff because of experiences 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:39.280 in the past with HDPE pipe, but polypropylene is much more rigid than HDPE, does have a 00:19:39.280 --> 00:19:42.160 structural component to it. 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:43.880 There's other advantages to it as well. 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:50.280 >> Well, I've seen them used many times on kind of drive-outs from ranch property. 00:19:50.280 --> 00:19:57.680 You know, there's a gate on cover over the drain line there, and they just use the concrete 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:01.160 piping essentially to hold that up and get the drainage through. 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:04.640 Will the polypropylene do that as well, or would they be forced to put in a culvert, 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:08.120 or how are they going to do that? 00:20:08.120 --> 00:20:15.760 >> The specifications would offer more detail on where it's appropriate to use. 00:20:15.760 --> 00:20:20.000 Similar to a concrete pipe, there's going to be, you know, minimum cover and higher 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:24.720 class of the pipe based on that cover and anticipated loads, so if there's, you know, 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:28.080 very little cover or they're just dumping some flex space over it for something like 00:20:28.080 --> 00:20:32.620 a driveway, then it may not be appropriate in that circumstance, but we're proposing 00:20:32.620 --> 00:20:35.760 to open it up for cases where it would be appropriate to use. 00:20:35.760 --> 00:20:38.400 >> So you're not recommending it in all cases, just most? 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:39.400 >> No. 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:40.400 Yeah, absolutely. 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:41.400 It wouldn't be a one for one. 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:45.360 It would still have to, you know, dependent on the manufacturer's recommendations and 00:20:45.360 --> 00:20:50.560 the city specifications on when it would be appropriate to use. 00:20:50.560 --> 00:20:52.520 >> Thank you. 00:20:52.520 --> 00:20:54.000 >> Absolutely. 00:20:54.000 --> 00:21:00.480 On the transportation section of the manual, we've added or proposing to add a new roadway 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:09.000 classification, the major collector also providing some additional guidance in school areas. 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:14.320 We're proposing to remove the bike ped traffic impact analysis section from the manual. 00:21:14.320 --> 00:21:17.840 Not that this isn't being evaluated or looked at anymore. 00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:25.000 There's kind of been a separate process of TIA scoping meetings that have happened with 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:31.240 or has been developed where staff works with the developers on a much more individual basis 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:35.120 where they look at what's appropriate for that site. 00:21:35.120 --> 00:21:41.280 So not painting with as broad of a brush as putting in the criteria manual and necessarily 00:21:41.280 --> 00:21:46.680 a blanket requirement so that's being looked at through a separate process. 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:51.480 Also offered some updates on allowable traffic calming measures and some updates to the on 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:56.520 street parking requirements. 00:21:56.520 --> 00:22:01.640 There's some large changes in the structure of the water/wastewater manual, kind of just 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:08.440 reorganizing the information to make it more digestible, improve readability and hopefully 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:14.880 result in better comprehension from developers and people that are referencing the manual. 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:21.040 On the requirements, we're proposing to require geotechnical studies and cathodic protection 00:22:21.040 --> 00:22:22.040 where appropriate. 00:22:22.040 --> 00:22:27.000 This is just due to corrosive soils that we have in the area that if they're not identified 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:33.320 can significantly reduce the lifespan of metal pipe, cast iron pipe. 00:22:33.320 --> 00:22:38.520 So doing these geotechnical investigations helps us identify if those soils are present 00:22:38.520 --> 00:22:43.760 and if they are require cathodic protection to extend the life of that asset. 00:22:43.760 --> 00:22:49.520 We're also proposing some updates to lift station requirements to result in better site 00:22:49.520 --> 00:22:53.560 planning for those. 00:22:53.560 --> 00:22:58.640 On the street light section, we've added a new style of poll as well as clarified the 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:04.640 process by which people can request street lighting be removed or added in a particular 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.400 area. 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:14.200 A new section that we're proposing to add under this manual speaks specifically to environmentally 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:16.160 sensitive areas. 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:22.200 This is kind of a consolidation of institutional knowledge that staff provides this guidance 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:28.840 to developers when they come in, but adding this section will help applicants understand 00:23:28.840 --> 00:23:34.920 how to identify these areas and how to design for them. 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:35.920 Next steps. 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:40.440 Later this week we're going to be giving a similar presentation to mobility committee. 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:45.360 We've got a public hearing scheduled for mid January and I anticipated effective date of 00:23:45.360 --> 00:23:51.960 February 1, 2026 and I'll stand for any questions. 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:54.560 Could you go back to page 8 for me? 00:23:54.560 --> 00:23:55.560 Absolutely. 00:23:55.560 --> 00:24:00.160 I'm intrigued with traffic calming. 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:06.240 Is that going to be gas injected into cars to keep people happy or is it going to be 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.620 shooting out tires? 00:24:07.620 --> 00:24:10.040 What is your suggestion on that? 00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:18.040 So traffic calming, the updates clarify the allowed measures. 00:24:18.040 --> 00:24:23.840 We currently don't allow any vertical traffic calming measures, so things like speed bumps 00:24:23.840 --> 00:24:28.960 because of the effect it has on emergency response vehicles, slowing response time, 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:30.760 damaging equipment. 00:24:30.760 --> 00:24:38.440 But we do allow for horizontal traffic calming, so things like chicanes would be an example 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:40.920 of that. 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.880 So it has nothing to do with stacking traffic or anything of that nature? 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:53.040 No, it's just to control speeds, to encourage driver attentiveness and to have them driving 00:24:53.040 --> 00:24:55.240 at appropriate speed in an area. 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.240 Great. 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:57.240 Could we go to page 9? 00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:58.240 Yes, sir. 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:00.760 May I continue? 00:25:00.760 --> 00:25:09.440 I'm just asking, at one time when we pulled up to look at wastewater and water on our 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:13.400 maps and such, they had measurements, they showed where the pipes were and such. 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:18.200 That's no longer a process, it's being practiced, is that correct? 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:23.360 I believe that has been removed from our public facing maps for security reasons. 00:25:23.360 --> 00:25:31.200 Yes, I was intrigued with the security reasons for that to be removed from the public view. 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:35.280 I've had many people inquire about it and I thought this might be an opportune time 00:25:35.280 --> 00:25:38.200 to at least say that I asked the question. 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:41.880 Absolutely, and I apologize, I'm afraid I can't speak to that. 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:47.480 I believe that's a decision that's made by the individual utilities. 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:56.520 Yes, it was made by the individual utility and we also created a layer for the development 00:25:56.520 --> 00:25:58.800 community to where they can put in a request. 00:25:58.800 --> 00:26:05.320 What was happening is that our entire distribution and collection system was exposed externally 00:26:05.320 --> 00:26:09.720 and we view that as a vulnerability when we do our hazard and vulnerability assessments. 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:15.320 So in order to control that, we removed it from being publicly facing and created a mechanism 00:26:15.320 --> 00:26:23.960 for the developers to engage with our development services team to get the information that they require. 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:30.400 >> And so is that only during the pre-design time period or is there an expense, a cost to get that? 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:31.920 >> No, there's no cost to get it. 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:40.520 And it's for any information, what we would deem as sensitive information regarding our distribution and collection systems. 00:26:40.520 --> 00:26:48.720 So it's just a different form to request and then it can be given in a timely manner without having to have an additional step taken to. 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:50.680 >> That's correct, and they have to demonstrate the need. 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:55.920 So if it's a development, here's a vacant parcel, I'm going to develop this, I need to know what's in the area. 00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:00.840 What's happening is that a developer would come in and they would need information for that specific area and 00:27:00.840 --> 00:27:07.800 they would get an entire quarter section of the system and that's a vulnerability for us. 00:27:07.800 --> 00:27:09.240 >> Thank you. 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.520 We'll go to page 10. 00:27:12.520 --> 00:27:19.760 On the lighting, you made a comment about with moving lighting, such as in an established area. 00:27:19.760 --> 00:27:23.720 So if we're in a northeast part of town, we need some new lighting. 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:29.960 Will it be similar to the style be similar as existing or will they be brand new Cobra heads? 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:31.360 I'll use that as an example. 00:27:31.360 --> 00:27:34.720 >> I'm going to step aside for that one. 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.520 >> Aaron Benyon, Denton Municipal Electric. 00:27:37.520 --> 00:27:42.760 >> So if I understand your question, you're talking about general area lighting? 00:27:42.760 --> 00:27:44.000 >> Street lighting, yes. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.560 >> Okay. 00:27:45.560 --> 00:27:52.280 So the street light requests right now come from several different avenues. 00:27:52.280 --> 00:27:58.000 I guess I would say it could be direct emails, 311 or the engaged Denton tickets. 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:05.040 And so what we do is we evaluate them based on the engineering criteria that's been set forth. 00:28:05.040 --> 00:28:13.080 If it meets the national and adopted standards, then there's no technical need for additional street lighting. 00:28:13.080 --> 00:28:13.960 And we get a lot of that. 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:22.200 People say, hey, it's really dark right here and we have to go and look, does it actually meet the standards or does it not? 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:33.960 If it's a general area, a long section of a street, that will probably be coordinated with the city's capital improvement projects and teams. 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:38.440 Most of what we will address is residential lighting. 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:40.320 >> That's what I'm referring to, yes. 00:28:40.320 --> 00:28:46.000 >> Yeah, and so it's just going to be based on, does it meet the adopted standards? 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.760 Once we've evaluated it, then we put it into a queue and 00:28:50.760 --> 00:28:56.280 we rank them based on the engineering need that's been identified. 00:28:56.280 --> 00:29:00.160 As well as, is this a high crime area? 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.240 Are there other additional factors that we need to add to it? 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.120 And then based on that, we have a set budget. 00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:12.640 And we just work our way down through the list, the highest priorities down to the lower priorities. 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:13.320 >> I appreciate that. 00:29:13.320 --> 00:29:22.080 I guess what I should have said on if replacement of lights are addition, will the cosmetics be similar to the existing or will it not? 00:29:22.080 --> 00:29:23.120 >> They are very similar. 00:29:23.120 --> 00:29:28.000 So basically, the new pole that was added matches the, 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:33.680 we added about four years ago, residential dark gray kind of shoebox, we call it the shoebox. 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.040 It's another Cobra head style light. 00:29:36.040 --> 00:29:39.840 We needed a new pole for the thoroughfares that was taller. 00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:43.720 And so this is a dark gray metal pole that matches that. 00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:44.680 >> Okay, thank you. 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:52.440 >> Any more questions? 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.440 I'm curious, what would be an example of a major collector? 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:07.280 I know that we have some larger collectors. 00:30:07.280 --> 00:30:10.280 I'm just curious, so we can picture it in our minds. 00:30:10.280 --> 00:30:11.680 Is Malone a major collector? 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:18.080 >> Good morning, this is Rakibul Alam, I'm the principal transportation planner working at the transportation division. 00:30:18.080 --> 00:30:26.520 So the major collector, very new concept is it is basically to facilitate the urban areas. 00:30:26.520 --> 00:30:32.880 So generally, the collector has 65 feet right of way and two lane road. 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:39.320 And it has higher connectivity, like the driveway spacing on the collector is 100 feet. 00:30:39.320 --> 00:30:44.400 On the other hand, the arterial has 110 feet right of way, four lane road. 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.160 The driveway spacing is more, like 150 feet. 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:55.640 So in the urban areas, we're looking something like, because in those areas, 00:30:55.640 --> 00:31:01.400 there will be more traffic, at the same time there will be more pedestrian movement. 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:07.600 So we are trying to get something, some kind of hybrid concept so that we can accommodate both. 00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:13.520 So the major collector will have the similar right of way like the arterial, 110 feet. 00:31:13.520 --> 00:31:18.200 But the connectivity will be similar to the collector, like 100 feet. 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.800 And it will have both bike pad facilities in both sides. 00:31:22.800 --> 00:31:32.840 So we are, at this point, only one road is considered as a major collector. 00:31:32.840 --> 00:31:37.280 And we're improving it as like the major collector, the Windsor Road. 00:31:37.280 --> 00:31:43.920 So in that case, it will have bike lane, pedestrian sidewalk, and 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:50.280 it will have both, it will serve both bike on the vehicle and the pedestrian. 00:31:50.280 --> 00:31:57.280 So in the future, based on some specific areas, we are going to implement that classification. 00:31:57.280 --> 00:31:59.400 >> Okay, that makes sense. 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:04.520 Yeah, so Windsor is an example, and I keep, in your description I was thinking of Malone, 00:32:04.520 --> 00:32:10.400 because it is three or four lanes, but it is a collector and it has schools and 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.720 churches and such on it, so lots of bike and pedestrian traffic. 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:20.040 >> Yeah, the Windsor Road connection that will pass the future 00:32:20.040 --> 00:32:26.560 Loop 288 and US 288 connector, that segment will be the major collector. 00:32:26.560 --> 00:32:27.060 >> Okay. 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:35.720 >> So you're saying then with this major connector, it will still be the right of way. 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:39.200 Did you say, still be the right of way, the 110 of the arterial? 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:43.440 >> Yeah, this right of way will be similar to the 110 of the arterial. 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.840 >> And with that, you're going to be adding additional lanes for 00:32:47.840 --> 00:32:50.520 pedestrian bikes, sidewalk, all that's fitting in. 00:32:50.520 --> 00:32:58.760 So are we thinning the lanes, or how do you put more into that 110? 00:32:58.760 --> 00:33:05.160 >> So structure, it has three options, basically, major collector. 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.880 Generally, any rotor classification, we fix the number of the lanes. 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.520 But in the major collectors, we have two-lane concept, we have three-lane concept, we have four-lane concept. 00:33:15.520 --> 00:33:23.980 So based on the locality, we are going to implement which will be four-lane road, will be three-lane road, or will be two-lane road. 00:33:23.980 --> 00:33:28.840 But we're going to ensure that there will be bike lane, and there will be sidewalk on both sides. 00:33:28.840 --> 00:33:31.640 >> So you might understand my question. 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:36.520 I can see how you could fit that into a two-lane or four-lane, but you get a six-lane, I'm intrigued. 00:33:36.520 --> 00:33:37.360 Am I missing that? 00:33:37.360 --> 00:33:39.680 >> Well, six-lane becomes, I think, an arterial. 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.160 An arterial is what we intend. 00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:46.200 >> That's what I'm curious, so it changes its name then, or classification, is that what they're doing? 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.880 >> Yeah, I think there's going to be three- 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.000 >> Three different options under the major collector. 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.000 >> Okay, all right. 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.060 >> I just had to hear it from you, I feel better. 00:33:55.060 --> 00:33:56.120 >> Sorry. >> Okay, good, thank you. 00:33:56.120 --> 00:34:02.640 Any further questions on the design criteria manuals? 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.140 >> Thank you. 00:34:03.140 --> 00:34:11.720 >> I will comment, I like the changes to require the iSwim sedimentation. 00:34:11.720 --> 00:34:17.600 The iSwim is written by NCTCOG and maintained locally, and 00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:25.760 tends to be forward thinking, low long-term costs, low impact, all of those things. 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:32.560 And so I think it's good that we're kind of moving to match the rest of the Metroplex in those requirements. 00:34:32.560 --> 00:34:39.840 And if there are no, do we need to make a recommendation, or is this just an update? 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.520 >> This is just an informational update, an opportunity to provide feedback and ask questions. 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.720 >> Okay, I think we have all our, is there any more feedback we'd like to give? 00:34:49.720 --> 00:34:51.400 >> Thank you. 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:51.960 >> Thank you. 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:52.460 >> Thank you. 00:34:52.460 --> 00:35:02.200 >> And now, at 9.38 AM, 00:35:02.200 --> 00:35:07.520 the Public Utilities Board will convene into a closed meeting to deliberate 00:35:07.520 --> 00:35:13.120 on items set forth in the agenda regarding power utilities, competitive matters. 00:35:13.120 --> 00:35:17.520 Under Texas Government Code, section 551.086. 00:35:17.520 --> 00:35:25.800 Well, welcome back to the Public Utilities Board meeting. 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:32.840 It is at 9.58, we reconvene from closed session, and no official action was taken. 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:39.680 We will now move on to PUB 25-222, 00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:45.200 item C on our individual consideration agenda, recommending adoption of an ordinance, 00:35:45.200 --> 00:35:51.440 setting TCRF recovery factors, and add a rate for 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.480 TCRF large load for transmission cost recovery factor for 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:59.680 customers with a point of delivery that meets or exceeds 20 megawatts. 00:35:59.680 --> 00:36:04.320 >> Good morning, PUB, my name is Melissa Cuevas with DME. 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.080 And today we have our fourth quarter review for 00:36:07.080 --> 00:36:10.240 energy cost adjustment and our transmission cost recovery factor. 00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:15.800 Now this presentation is just informative, there's no action required. 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.800 We have our energy cost adjustment for our native load set at 0.0462 cents, 00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.000 no changes recommended. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.680 Our large load ECA is set at 0.0577 cents per KWH, no changes recommended there. 00:36:30.680 --> 00:36:35.600 And then our transmission cost recovery factor rates are shown on the screen and 00:36:35.600 --> 00:36:38.560 no changes are recommended. 00:36:38.560 --> 00:36:42.800 So this shows our balance forecast for our native load ECA. 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.800 As long as we maintain that rate of 0.0462 cents, 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.680 we'll have a balance of $19.6 million by September of 2026. 00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:57.720 And our TCRF forecasted account balance, as long as we maintain that same rate, 00:36:57.720 --> 00:37:02.360 it'll be 1.8 million by September of 26. 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:06.040 So again, no recommended changes for this. 00:37:06.040 --> 00:37:07.160 Are there any questions? 00:37:07.160 --> 00:37:10.640 >> Any questions? 00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:13.960 Could you return to the TCRF slide? 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.360 >> Yeah. 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:21.200 >> And the reason we're starting at that negative 3.7 million is that we just 00:37:21.200 --> 00:37:24.120 made all of our TCRF payments at the beginning of the fiscal year? 00:37:24.120 --> 00:37:25.600 >> Correct, yes, sir. 00:37:25.600 --> 00:37:28.680 >> And so next year we'll do the same thing, we'll have about a million, six or 00:37:28.680 --> 00:37:30.160 seven. >> Yes. 00:37:30.160 --> 00:37:31.120 >> Go to negative balance. 00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:32.720 >> That's correct. 00:37:32.720 --> 00:37:36.800 >> And is the goal to keep that going negative every year, or 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:44.440 is it to slowly raise that to where we have the TCRF total in fund balance? 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:49.040 >> I don't think we're needing to maintain a balance like we are for the ECA, 00:37:49.040 --> 00:37:51.060 that TCRF, we have that amount. 00:37:51.060 --> 00:37:55.000 And it's just kind of divided over 12 months where we're paying that down. 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:56.880 >> Cuz I guess it's a very fixed rate. 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:00.040 We know exactly what it's gonna cost for the year, no risk there. 00:38:00.040 --> 00:38:00.680 >> Yes, sir. 00:38:00.680 --> 00:38:01.560 >> Okay, thank you. 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:09.000 If there are no further questions, the Chair would entertain a motion. 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.160 >> There's no action. 00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:15.040 >> Yeah, no action, and this is just an informative presentation. 00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:17.040 >> Okay, all right, because we're not changing the rates. 00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:18.160 >> Correct, yes, sir, thank you. 00:38:18.160 --> 00:38:23.520 >> All right, sorry, with that, the PUB is adjourned.