1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,120 Good morning, and welcome to the regularly scheduled meeting of the Denton Public Utility 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,120 Board. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:12,360 Today is Monday, December 15, and it is 9.03 a.m. 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,920 Our first item on our agenda is presentations from members of the public. 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,880 Are there any presentations? 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,120 Seeing none, we will move on to the consent agenda. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:36,080 Would any member like to pull an item for discussion? 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,560 Chair would entertain a motion for approval of the consent agenda. 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,920 Mr. Newquist moved, I think Susan seconds. 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:49,080 We have a motion and a second, all in favor say aye. 11 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,240 Motion carries unanimously. 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,320 Moving on to items for individual consideration, our first item for individual consideration 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,520 is approval of the October 27th minutes. 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:12,040 We have a motion for approval and a second. 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,680 All in favor say aye. 16 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,060 Motion carries unanimously. 17 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:24,880 Next item is approval of the November 17th minutes. 18 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,440 I think it was declaring that we did not have quorum. 19 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,720 We have a motion from Mr. Rayner, second from Mr. Rybeck. 20 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,200 All in favor say aye. 21 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Motion passes unanimously. 22 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,120 Our next item for individual consideration, I believe we have a discussion on competitive 23 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:48,440 matters that will happen in closed session on this item so we will delay item C regarding 24 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:57,800 TCRF large load costs until after we go to closed session after the work session. 25 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:07,280 So moving on to item D for individual consideration, we have a recommending adoption of an ordinance 26 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:14,160 for the City of Denton with integrated power for transmission line construction and maintenance 27 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:22,960 for $67,990,000. 28 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,960 >> Good morning. 29 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,460 Mark Zimmer, DME engineering. 30 00:02:25,460 --> 00:02:29,680 For your consideration this morning is a contract for electric transmission line construction 31 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:30,680 services. 32 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:39,280 DME has many CIP projects that require transmission line construction services which include constructing 33 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:46,280 transmission foundation, erecting steel towers, installing transmission conductor. 34 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:54,040 This contract will be used for these services also used for emergency services. 35 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,360 On this slide is listing of the CIP projects used to develop the contract amount for the 36 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,360 next five years. 37 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,960 These projects are grouped by DME, TMPA, and TxDOT. 38 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:10,360 The costs for the projects listed as DME will be recovered through the TCO system. 39 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:17,200 The projects listed as TMPA and TxDOT will be reimbursable by those agencies. 40 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:25,040 DME developed an RFP to solicit for these services and three proposals were received. 41 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:33,880 The proposals were evaluated for safety, quality, schedule, and price. 42 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Integrated power evaluated the highest. 43 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Based on the results of the RFP, integrated power company received the highest evaluated 44 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,000 score and lowest overall price. 45 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Staff recommends approval of an agreement with integrated power company for transmission 46 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:55,160 line construction services in an amount not to exceed $67,990. 47 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,560 As a reminder DME is not obligated to spend any amount under this contract and the majority 48 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:05,920 of this total will be recoverable through TCO or through reimbursable measures. 49 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:11,080 Excuse me, you mentioned the majority would be recovered. 50 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:17,240 Do you have kind of a broad range of percentage of what that would be? 51 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,800 The piece that won't be recoverable is any distribution cost associated with this. 52 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,640 In some cases there's distribution installed on these transmission lines and so any work 53 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,720 for that won't be recoverable, but everything else will. 54 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,040 It's probably like a 90/10 split, something like that. 55 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,040 I'm sorry, say again? 56 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,040 90/10, 90%, 90%. 57 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,040 That's very high. 58 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,040 Thank you. 59 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,040 Yes, sir. 60 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:43,800 Could you go back to the project slide, slide I think three? 61 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,920 So obviously these numbers add up to that $67 million. 62 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,860 In the next five years, in the last five years we've seen significant inflation in capital 63 00:04:53,860 --> 00:04:54,860 costs. 64 00:04:54,860 --> 00:04:55,860 Yes, sir. 65 00:04:55,860 --> 00:05:01,880 Do these numbers include any kind of expected increase in cost for year four, year five? 66 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,840 They do, yes sir, and the contract also allows for the escalation that we'll work through 67 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:11,920 with the purchasing department if that comes up. 68 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,640 Is there any other questions on the audit? 69 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,480 On the cost proposal, there's a big difference in the pricing. 70 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,660 Are we concerned about that at all? 71 00:05:23,660 --> 00:05:24,660 Not typically. 72 00:05:24,660 --> 00:05:28,600 The two other proposals that we received are very large companies and we typically see 73 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:39,800 just large prices from those. 74 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,880 Senator would entertain a motion for approval and a second. 75 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,160 All in favor say aye. 76 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,280 Any opposed, sign the same. 77 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:51,960 Motion carries unanimously. 78 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:59,200 Our next order of business is consider recommending adoption of an ordinance with the City of 79 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:04,160 Denton and Stewart C. Irby Company for the purchase of high voltage circuit breakers 80 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,200 for $22,257,824. 81 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,060 Yes sir, very consideration as a multi-year contract for purchase of high voltage circuit 82 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:14,840 breakers for DME CIP projects. 83 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:19,400 High voltage circuit breakers are used in all DME substations to interrupt the flow of fault 84 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:26,600 current typically caused by lightning, lightning strikes on power lines, animals, failed equipment, 85 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,000 and other causes. 86 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,560 Circuit breakers are required equipment in our substations. 87 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,840 They limit the damage caused by fault current or needed to isolate equipment for outages 88 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:40,680 and maintenance purposes. 89 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:46,560 This slide shows typical lead times of two to four years for this type of equipment for 90 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,060 domestically manufactured high voltage circuit breakers. 91 00:06:51,060 --> 00:06:54,800 This kind of indicates the level of planning that's required to complete our projects on 92 00:06:54,800 --> 00:07:00,200 time and that's why this slide is being included. 93 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,780 DME developed an RFP to solicit a unit cost contract to purchase high voltage circuit 94 00:07:04,780 --> 00:07:08,560 breakers from two domestic manufacturers. 95 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:14,160 Two proposals were received and Stewart Irby Company was evaluated the highest mainly due 96 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,520 to cost. 97 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,920 On this slide is a listing of the types of circuit breakers and maximum quantities that 98 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,800 DME plans to purchase under this contract and of course this contract doesn't require 99 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:35,600 any minimum purchase, purchase orders will be issued as as needed for each project. 100 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Staff recommends approval and agreement with Stewart Irby for the purchase of high voltage 101 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:46,440 circuit breakers and not to exceed amount of $22,257,824. 102 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:52,200 Question, have we used them before? 103 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Yes sir. 104 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,640 And what is the history with that? 105 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:00,560 How often do we, I know you said two to four year lead so are they a long standing company 106 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,280 we've used for the past ten years, fifteen, whatever? 107 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Yes sir. 108 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,400 We've purchased, Stewart Irby is the distributor and the manufacturer is Siemens. 109 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,600 We've used Siemens breakers for as far as I know at least 20 years. 110 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,040 Good quality breakers made in Mississippi I believe. 111 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,360 So yes, haven't had any issues with them. 112 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,360 Thank you. 113 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Yes sir. 114 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:33,880 I'm curious the total quantity of like 50 or so total breakers are those, is that all 115 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:40,080 new expansion or does that include replacement of end of service equipment? 116 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,560 It's all new, yeah. 117 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:45,240 So most of the circuit breakers in our system are less than 20 years old now because we've 118 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,120 done so many projects over the last 20 years. 119 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,360 The existing circuit breakers are fairly new and don't need to be replaced. 120 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,960 So this is all kind of all new transmission system. 121 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:54,960 That's right. 122 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:55,960 Yes sir. 123 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Thank you. 124 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,760 Any further questions? 125 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,320 Just personal curiosity question, when you showed the cost of the different types of 126 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,800 breakers you could go back to that. 127 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:18,520 I noticed that the 345 kV circuit breakers were worth about three times as much as the 128 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:19,800 138 kV. 129 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:25,160 So I'm just curious, I realize it's much higher voltage potential. 130 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,600 So is there something different about those breakers that makes them more expensive? 131 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,480 They're physically very large breakers. 132 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:38,460 And also a difference is the 138 kV breakers are assembled together in one assembly. 133 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:41,920 These 345 kV breakers are three individual separate assemblies. 134 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,880 Are these all gas filled breakers? 135 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,520 They are SF6 gas filled breakers. 136 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,520 Thank you. 137 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:57,040 Any other questions? 138 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,400 We have a motion for approval and a second from Mr. Ryback. 139 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,040 All in favor say aye. 140 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,040 Aye. 141 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Any opposed? 142 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,040 Sign the same. 143 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,800 The motion carries unanimously. 144 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:13,840 And now we move on to management reports. 145 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,480 Good morning Chair and PB members. 146 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:22,240 You have in your packet several memos. 147 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,560 I'm here to entertain we have staff here if you have any questions regarding those memorandums. 148 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:34,200 I don't have a question, but I'm having a little trouble hearing you. 149 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,200 I wondered if you could speak. 150 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,200 Is that better? 151 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,200 A little better. 152 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,200 Thank you. 153 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,200 All right. 154 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,200 I'll get a little closer. 155 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,200 I'm soft spoken. 156 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,160 So no questions on the memos. 157 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:51,440 The only thing I have for the future PB items is I guess on January 12th we're going to 158 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,560 receive motions and hold elections for the Chair and Vice Chair and Secretary positions. 159 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:57,560 That's on the schedule. 160 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:03,840 I did have a question on the first item. 161 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:11,560 So I don't recall having seen one of these before, where everything was just moved directly 162 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:12,560 to the council. 163 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:17,480 I'm curious if this is something that is normal procedure or out of the ordinary? 164 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,320 That we move the items directly to council? 165 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,880 Is that what you're asking? 166 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,880 Yes. 167 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:28,360 Yeah, the PUB there wasn't a quorum and we needed we had deadlines that we had to meet. 168 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:35,060 So we took the items all to council for approval and then we were coming back to update the 169 00:11:35,060 --> 00:11:37,200 board on the results of that. 170 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,200 Okay. 171 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,200 I was just curious. 172 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,400 I just don't remember seeing one of these before. 173 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,400 It happens very rarely. 174 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,600 We have done it in the past when I was chair. 175 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,000 We did it a couple of times and it was the same thing because we didn't have a quorum 176 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,280 and they can't hold up buying stuff. 177 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,320 I understand the mechanics of it. 178 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,320 I was just curious. 179 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,500 I hadn't recalled seeing one of these on my time on the board. 180 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:06,920 I believe we had one over the holidays last year too where we didn't have meetings because 181 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,480 of the holiday schedule and then there were some urgent things that had to be purchased 182 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,960 by December 31st. 183 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:18,120 That's correct. 184 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:24,760 If there are no further questions on management reports, we can move on to our work session. 185 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:30,360 Leave a report and hold a discussion regarding the updates to the City of Denton Design Criteria 186 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:44,840 Manual. 187 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Good morning. 188 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,760 I'm Mike Linder, a drainage engineer and I'm here to speak with you about some proposed 189 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,640 updates to the City of Denton Design Criteria Manual. 190 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,600 Just a brief overview of what we're going to cover today. 191 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,960 We're going to look at our public outreach plan, go over some background of what the 192 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,560 design criteria manuals are, how they're used within the city, we'll highlight some of the 193 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:13,040 more significant updates from each section of the manual and discuss our next steps. 194 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:18,120 Now the design criteria manual is an extremely technical document and it touches on a wide 195 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,920 variety of topics so we do have our subject matter experts here on hand to answer any 196 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:29,920 questions that you may have that I may not be able to address. 197 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:35,400 So our public outreach plan, as you can see, it's fairly extensive just due to the wide 198 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:42,280 variety of projects, both city capital projects and private development projects that are 199 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,640 impacted by this document. 200 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,120 It's always a big push to get the information out there and solicit any comments or feedback. 201 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,920 We kick this off in September by letting the development community, putting them on notice 202 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:03,720 that these updates were coming, published a draft of the proposed updates online in October 203 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,400 and we give various presentations both to the development community and other professional 204 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,640 organizations and bring it before the city, before the various boards and commissions. 205 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,880 We're currently anticipating a public hearing mid-January with an effective date of February 206 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:24,120 1st, 2026. 207 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,320 Some background on kind of how we do this, the process of updating the manuals. 208 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:35,280 Again, since this is a really technical document that touches on a lot of different departments, 209 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,600 we bring those subject matter experts together to review the document and review all the 210 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,160 comments that have been collected since the previous updates both from internal stakeholders 211 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:51,840 and people outside of the organization and create an initial internal draft of that document 212 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,360 that we then work with the larger group, send it out to all the department heads for them 213 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:03,000 to disseminate to their staff, have a series of in-person meetings to review all the changes, 214 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,440 make sure everybody's on board, that there's no conflicts before we arrive at a final internal 215 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:13,120 draft that's then posted online, shared with the public, brought before the various boards 216 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:22,240 and commissions, again, with ultimate adoption anticipated in February 1st. 217 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:27,240 So just some context on kind of what this manual is, how it's used in the city. 218 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,840 The city actually has a number of governing documents, and there's an established hierarchy 219 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:32,840 to these. 220 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:38,240 Honestly, probably the top governing document that's not published on this slide would be 221 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:43,920 the 2040 comprehensive plan that's kind of the overall guiding the direction of the city 222 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,360 and the aspirations of the direction the city wants to go. 223 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:54,200 Underneath that is the debt and development code, which lays out policies and procedures 224 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,880 for zoning and subdivision regulations. 225 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,640 It's a planning level document. 226 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:05,260 Below that is the design criteria manual, what we're discussing today, which is a technical 227 00:16:05,260 --> 00:16:11,400 engineering resource that lays out the appropriate design methodologies to be used for public 228 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,440 infrastructure. 229 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:20,480 Underneath that are the construction specifications, which discuss appropriate construction methodologies, 230 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:26,240 how to actually build what's been designed, and then lastly we have the standard details, 231 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,200 which actually provide detailed depictions of infrastructure to be constructed. 232 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:36,280 So these all touch on projects at a different point in their life cycle, and they all kind 233 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,080 of work together. 234 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,880 So we'll cover some of the more significant updates from the different sections in the 235 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,880 manual. 236 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:51,320 Solid waste, we only had one significant update, and that was some additional guidance on the 237 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,740 design of side load enclosures, just for sites that have particular constraints and don't 238 00:16:56,740 --> 00:17:03,680 allow for a more typical front load enclosure. 239 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:11,840 On the storm water section we're proposing to allow a new pipe material, polypropylene. 240 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,920 Currently the only approved pipe material in the storm water system is reinforced concrete, 241 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:22,920 and we've received a lot of questions and comments for several years on why are no alternate 242 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,080 materials allowed. 243 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,740 City staff conducted an investigation over approximately a year where we met with various 244 00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:35,280 vendors, coordinated with other cities, spoke with their staff, kind of got feedback from 245 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:42,080 them and their experiences, visited multiple construction sites in the area, saw other 246 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:48,960 materials being used, and we're confident that polypropylene has appropriate applications 247 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,620 throughout the city and will help lower prices. 248 00:17:51,620 --> 00:17:55,440 So we're proposing that that be a new allowed material. 249 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:03,400 We're also proposing to require that larger developments, disturbing greater than an acre, 250 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:09,260 remove a majority of suspended sediment from the storm water before it leaves their site. 251 00:18:09,260 --> 00:18:13,320 This is currently included in the manual just as a recommendation. 252 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,360 We're proposing to make it a requirement. 253 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:21,600 That offers several benefits, one, if that sediment is removed on site before it enters 254 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:27,000 the public system, that's not pushing the cost of cleaning once that sediment settles 255 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,320 out in our culverts, our pipes, our channels. 256 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,680 It doesn't become -- it doesn't add to the public maintenance cost. 257 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,840 There's also regulatory pressures. 258 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:42,320 This is currently a requirement from the EPA in other states. 259 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,480 We have a storm water discharge permit, our MS4 permit. 260 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,440 We fully expect that that requirement will come to Texas in the future. 261 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,440 So it's coming to us one way or another, and this allows us to get ahead of it and get 262 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,080 the development community used to these practices. 263 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,600 We also believe it will result in smaller overall detention ponds by kind of separating 264 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:06,280 out that flood control from the water treatment aspect of it and result in more developable 265 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,280 land for developments. 266 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:13,400 >> Excuse me, I have a question before you move on. 267 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,400 >> Absolutely. 268 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:21,720 >> Do you have a polypropylene pipe in place of the concrete drainage piping? 269 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,040 Does it have the strength to hold up the ground over it? 270 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,040 >> It does. 271 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:31,240 It is a rigid material, and there was some apprehension among staff because of experiences 272 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:39,280 in the past with HDPE pipe, but polypropylene is much more rigid than HDPE, does have a 273 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,160 structural component to it. 274 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,880 There's other advantages to it as well. 275 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:50,280 >> Well, I've seen them used many times on kind of drive-outs from ranch property. 276 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:57,680 You know, there's a gate on cover over the drain line there, and they just use the concrete 277 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,160 piping essentially to hold that up and get the drainage through. 278 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,640 Will the polypropylene do that as well, or would they be forced to put in a culvert, 279 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,120 or how are they going to do that? 280 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:15,760 >> The specifications would offer more detail on where it's appropriate to use. 281 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,000 Similar to a concrete pipe, there's going to be, you know, minimum cover and higher 282 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,720 class of the pipe based on that cover and anticipated loads, so if there's, you know, 283 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,080 very little cover or they're just dumping some flex space over it for something like 284 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,620 a driveway, then it may not be appropriate in that circumstance, but we're proposing 285 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:35,760 to open it up for cases where it would be appropriate to use. 286 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,400 >> So you're not recommending it in all cases, just most? 287 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,400 >> No. 288 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,400 Yeah, absolutely. 289 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,400 It wouldn't be a one for one. 290 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,360 It would still have to, you know, dependent on the manufacturer's recommendations and 291 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:50,560 the city specifications on when it would be appropriate to use. 292 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,520 >> Thank you. 293 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,000 >> Absolutely. 294 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:00,480 On the transportation section of the manual, we've added or proposing to add a new roadway 295 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:09,000 classification, the major collector also providing some additional guidance in school areas. 296 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,320 We're proposing to remove the bike ped traffic impact analysis section from the manual. 297 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,840 Not that this isn't being evaluated or looked at anymore. 298 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:25,000 There's kind of been a separate process of TIA scoping meetings that have happened with 299 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:31,240 or has been developed where staff works with the developers on a much more individual basis 300 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,120 where they look at what's appropriate for that site. 301 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:41,280 So not painting with as broad of a brush as putting in the criteria manual and necessarily 302 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,680 a blanket requirement so that's being looked at through a separate process. 303 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,480 Also offered some updates on allowable traffic calming measures and some updates to the on 304 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,520 street parking requirements. 305 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,640 There's some large changes in the structure of the water/wastewater manual, kind of just 306 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:08,440 reorganizing the information to make it more digestible, improve readability and hopefully 307 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:14,880 result in better comprehension from developers and people that are referencing the manual. 308 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:21,040 On the requirements, we're proposing to require geotechnical studies and cathodic protection 309 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,040 where appropriate. 310 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:27,000 This is just due to corrosive soils that we have in the area that if they're not identified 311 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:33,320 can significantly reduce the lifespan of metal pipe, cast iron pipe. 312 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,520 So doing these geotechnical investigations helps us identify if those soils are present 313 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,760 and if they are require cathodic protection to extend the life of that asset. 314 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,520 We're also proposing some updates to lift station requirements to result in better site 315 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,560 planning for those. 316 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,640 On the street light section, we've added a new style of poll as well as clarified the 317 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:04,640 process by which people can request street lighting be removed or added in a particular 318 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,400 area. 319 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:14,200 A new section that we're proposing to add under this manual speaks specifically to environmentally 320 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,160 sensitive areas. 321 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:22,200 This is kind of a consolidation of institutional knowledge that staff provides this guidance 322 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:28,840 to developers when they come in, but adding this section will help applicants understand 323 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:34,920 how to identify these areas and how to design for them. 324 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,920 Next steps. 325 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,440 Later this week we're going to be giving a similar presentation to mobility committee. 326 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,360 We've got a public hearing scheduled for mid January and I anticipated effective date of 327 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:51,960 February 1, 2026 and I'll stand for any questions. 328 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,560 Could you go back to page 8 for me? 329 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,560 Absolutely. 330 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,160 I'm intrigued with traffic calming. 331 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:06,240 Is that going to be gas injected into cars to keep people happy or is it going to be 332 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,620 shooting out tires? 333 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:10,040 What is your suggestion on that? 334 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:18,040 So traffic calming, the updates clarify the allowed measures. 335 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,840 We currently don't allow any vertical traffic calming measures, so things like speed bumps 336 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,960 because of the effect it has on emergency response vehicles, slowing response time, 337 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,760 damaging equipment. 338 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:38,440 But we do allow for horizontal traffic calming, so things like chicanes would be an example 339 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,920 of that. 340 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,880 So it has nothing to do with stacking traffic or anything of that nature? 341 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:53,040 No, it's just to control speeds, to encourage driver attentiveness and to have them driving 342 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,240 at appropriate speed in an area. 343 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,240 Great. 344 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,240 Could we go to page 9? 345 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,240 Yes, sir. 346 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,760 May I continue? 347 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:09,440 I'm just asking, at one time when we pulled up to look at wastewater and water on our 348 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,400 maps and such, they had measurements, they showed where the pipes were and such. 349 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,200 That's no longer a process, it's being practiced, is that correct? 350 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,360 I believe that has been removed from our public facing maps for security reasons. 351 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:31,200 Yes, I was intrigued with the security reasons for that to be removed from the public view. 352 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,280 I've had many people inquire about it and I thought this might be an opportune time 353 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,200 to at least say that I asked the question. 354 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,880 Absolutely, and I apologize, I'm afraid I can't speak to that. 355 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,480 I believe that's a decision that's made by the individual utilities. 356 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:56,520 Yes, it was made by the individual utility and we also created a layer for the development 357 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,800 community to where they can put in a request. 358 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:05,320 What was happening is that our entire distribution and collection system was exposed externally 359 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,720 and we view that as a vulnerability when we do our hazard and vulnerability assessments. 360 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,320 So in order to control that, we removed it from being publicly facing and created a mechanism 361 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:23,960 for the developers to engage with our development services team to get the information that they require. 362 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:30,400 >> And so is that only during the pre-design time period or is there an expense, a cost to get that? 363 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,920 >> No, there's no cost to get it. 364 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:40,520 And it's for any information, what we would deem as sensitive information regarding our distribution and collection systems. 365 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:48,720 So it's just a different form to request and then it can be given in a timely manner without having to have an additional step taken to. 366 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,680 >> That's correct, and they have to demonstrate the need. 367 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,920 So if it's a development, here's a vacant parcel, I'm going to develop this, I need to know what's in the area. 368 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,840 What's happening is that a developer would come in and they would need information for that specific area and 369 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:07,800 they would get an entire quarter section of the system and that's a vulnerability for us. 370 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,240 >> Thank you. 371 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,520 We'll go to page 10. 372 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:19,760 On the lighting, you made a comment about with moving lighting, such as in an established area. 373 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,720 So if we're in a northeast part of town, we need some new lighting. 374 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,960 Will it be similar to the style be similar as existing or will they be brand new Cobra heads? 375 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,360 I'll use that as an example. 376 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,720 >> I'm going to step aside for that one. 377 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,520 >> Aaron Benyon, Denton Municipal Electric. 378 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,760 >> So if I understand your question, you're talking about general area lighting? 379 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,000 >> Street lighting, yes. 380 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,560 >> Okay. 381 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:52,280 So the street light requests right now come from several different avenues. 382 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:58,000 I guess I would say it could be direct emails, 311 or the engaged Denton tickets. 383 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:05,040 And so what we do is we evaluate them based on the engineering criteria that's been set forth. 384 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:13,080 If it meets the national and adopted standards, then there's no technical need for additional street lighting. 385 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,960 And we get a lot of that. 386 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:22,200 People say, hey, it's really dark right here and we have to go and look, does it actually meet the standards or does it not? 387 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:33,960 If it's a general area, a long section of a street, that will probably be coordinated with the city's capital improvement projects and teams. 388 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,440 Most of what we will address is residential lighting. 389 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,320 >> That's what I'm referring to, yes. 390 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:46,000 >> Yeah, and so it's just going to be based on, does it meet the adopted standards? 391 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,760 Once we've evaluated it, then we put it into a queue and 392 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,280 we rank them based on the engineering need that's been identified. 393 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,160 As well as, is this a high crime area? 394 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240 Are there other additional factors that we need to add to it? 395 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,120 And then based on that, we have a set budget. 396 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,640 And we just work our way down through the list, the highest priorities down to the lower priorities. 397 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,320 >> I appreciate that. 398 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:22,080 I guess what I should have said on if replacement of lights are addition, will the cosmetics be similar to the existing or will it not? 399 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,120 >> They are very similar. 400 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,000 So basically, the new pole that was added matches the, 401 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,680 we added about four years ago, residential dark gray kind of shoebox, we call it the shoebox. 402 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,040 It's another Cobra head style light. 403 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,840 We needed a new pole for the thoroughfares that was taller. 404 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,720 And so this is a dark gray metal pole that matches that. 405 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,680 >> Okay, thank you. 406 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:52,440 >> Any more questions? 407 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,440 I'm curious, what would be an example of a major collector? 408 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:07,280 I know that we have some larger collectors. 409 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,280 I'm just curious, so we can picture it in our minds. 410 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,680 Is Malone a major collector? 411 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:18,080 >> Good morning, this is Rakibul Alam, I'm the principal transportation planner working at the transportation division. 412 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:26,520 So the major collector, very new concept is it is basically to facilitate the urban areas. 413 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:32,880 So generally, the collector has 65 feet right of way and two lane road. 414 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:39,320 And it has higher connectivity, like the driveway spacing on the collector is 100 feet. 415 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,400 On the other hand, the arterial has 110 feet right of way, four lane road. 416 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,160 The driveway spacing is more, like 150 feet. 417 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:55,640 So in the urban areas, we're looking something like, because in those areas, 418 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:01,400 there will be more traffic, at the same time there will be more pedestrian movement. 419 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:07,600 So we are trying to get something, some kind of hybrid concept so that we can accommodate both. 420 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:13,520 So the major collector will have the similar right of way like the arterial, 110 feet. 421 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,200 But the connectivity will be similar to the collector, like 100 feet. 422 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,800 And it will have both bike pad facilities in both sides. 423 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:32,840 So we are, at this point, only one road is considered as a major collector. 424 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,280 And we're improving it as like the major collector, the Windsor Road. 425 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:43,920 So in that case, it will have bike lane, pedestrian sidewalk, and 426 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:50,280 it will have both, it will serve both bike on the vehicle and the pedestrian. 427 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:57,280 So in the future, based on some specific areas, we are going to implement that classification. 428 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400 >> Okay, that makes sense. 429 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,520 Yeah, so Windsor is an example, and I keep, in your description I was thinking of Malone, 430 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,400 because it is three or four lanes, but it is a collector and it has schools and 431 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,720 churches and such on it, so lots of bike and pedestrian traffic. 432 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:20,040 >> Yeah, the Windsor Road connection that will pass the future 433 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:26,560 Loop 288 and US 288 connector, that segment will be the major collector. 434 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,060 >> Okay. 435 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:35,720 >> So you're saying then with this major connector, it will still be the right of way. 436 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,200 Did you say, still be the right of way, the 110 of the arterial? 437 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,440 >> Yeah, this right of way will be similar to the 110 of the arterial. 438 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,840 >> And with that, you're going to be adding additional lanes for 439 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,520 pedestrian bikes, sidewalk, all that's fitting in. 440 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:58,760 So are we thinning the lanes, or how do you put more into that 110? 441 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:05,160 >> So structure, it has three options, basically, major collector. 442 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,880 Generally, any rotor classification, we fix the number of the lanes. 443 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,520 But in the major collectors, we have two-lane concept, we have three-lane concept, we have four-lane concept. 444 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:23,980 So based on the locality, we are going to implement which will be four-lane road, will be three-lane road, or will be two-lane road. 445 00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:28,840 But we're going to ensure that there will be bike lane, and there will be sidewalk on both sides. 446 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,640 >> So you might understand my question. 447 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,520 I can see how you could fit that into a two-lane or four-lane, but you get a six-lane, I'm intrigued. 448 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,360 Am I missing that? 449 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,680 >> Well, six-lane becomes, I think, an arterial. 450 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,160 An arterial is what we intend. 451 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,200 >> That's what I'm curious, so it changes its name then, or classification, is that what they're doing? 452 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,880 >> Yeah, I think there's going to be three- 453 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,000 >> Three different options under the major collector. 454 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000 >> Okay, all right. 455 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,060 >> I just had to hear it from you, I feel better. 456 00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:56,120 >> Sorry. >> Okay, good, thank you. 457 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:02,640 Any further questions on the design criteria manuals? 458 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,140 >> Thank you. 459 00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:11,720 >> I will comment, I like the changes to require the iSwim sedimentation. 460 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:17,600 The iSwim is written by NCTCOG and maintained locally, and 461 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:25,760 tends to be forward thinking, low long-term costs, low impact, all of those things. 462 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:32,560 And so I think it's good that we're kind of moving to match the rest of the Metroplex in those requirements. 463 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:39,840 And if there are no, do we need to make a recommendation, or is this just an update? 464 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,520 >> This is just an informational update, an opportunity to provide feedback and ask questions. 465 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,720 >> Okay, I think we have all our, is there any more feedback we'd like to give? 466 00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:51,400 >> Thank you. 467 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:51,960 >> Thank you. 468 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,460 >> Thank you. 469 00:34:52,460 --> 00:35:02,200 >> And now, at 9.38 AM, 470 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,520 the Public Utilities Board will convene into a closed meeting to deliberate 471 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,120 on items set forth in the agenda regarding power utilities, competitive matters. 472 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,520 Under Texas Government Code, section 551.086. 473 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:25,800 Well, welcome back to the Public Utilities Board meeting. 474 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,840 It is at 9.58, we reconvene from closed session, and no official action was taken. 475 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:39,680 We will now move on to PUB 25-222, 476 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,200 item C on our individual consideration agenda, recommending adoption of an ordinance, 477 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:51,440 setting TCRF recovery factors, and add a rate for 478 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,480 TCRF large load for transmission cost recovery factor for 479 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,680 customers with a point of delivery that meets or exceeds 20 megawatts. 480 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,320 >> Good morning, PUB, my name is Melissa Cuevas with DME. 481 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,080 And today we have our fourth quarter review for 482 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,240 energy cost adjustment and our transmission cost recovery factor. 483 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,800 Now this presentation is just informative, there's no action required. 484 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,800 We have our energy cost adjustment for our native load set at 0.0462 cents, 485 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,000 no changes recommended. 486 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,680 Our large load ECA is set at 0.0577 cents per KWH, no changes recommended there. 487 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,600 And then our transmission cost recovery factor rates are shown on the screen and 488 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,560 no changes are recommended. 489 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,800 So this shows our balance forecast for our native load ECA. 490 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,800 As long as we maintain that rate of 0.0462 cents, 491 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,680 we'll have a balance of $19.6 million by September of 2026. 492 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:57,720 And our TCRF forecasted account balance, as long as we maintain that same rate, 493 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:02,360 it'll be 1.8 million by September of 26. 494 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,040 So again, no recommended changes for this. 495 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,160 Are there any questions? 496 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,640 >> Any questions? 497 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,960 Could you return to the TCRF slide? 498 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,360 >> Yeah. 499 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,200 >> And the reason we're starting at that negative 3.7 million is that we just 500 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,120 made all of our TCRF payments at the beginning of the fiscal year? 501 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,600 >> Correct, yes, sir. 502 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,680 >> And so next year we'll do the same thing, we'll have about a million, six or 503 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,160 seven. >> Yes. 504 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,120 >> Go to negative balance. 505 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,720 >> That's correct. 506 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:36,800 >> And is the goal to keep that going negative every year, or 507 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:44,440 is it to slowly raise that to where we have the TCRF total in fund balance? 508 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,040 >> I don't think we're needing to maintain a balance like we are for the ECA, 509 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,060 that TCRF, we have that amount. 510 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:55,000 And it's just kind of divided over 12 months where we're paying that down. 511 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,880 >> Cuz I guess it's a very fixed rate. 512 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,040 We know exactly what it's gonna cost for the year, no risk there. 513 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,680 >> Yes, sir. 514 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,560 >> Okay, thank you. 515 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:09,000 If there are no further questions, the Chair would entertain a motion. 516 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,160 >> There's no action. 517 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,040 >> Yeah, no action, and this is just an informative presentation. 518 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,040 >> Okay, all right, because we're not changing the rates. 519 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,160 >> Correct, yes, sir, thank you. 520 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,520 >> All right, sorry, with that, the PUB is adjourned.