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 >> Good morning everyone, we are here with the City of Denton.

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 The Mobility Committee, Wednesday, November the 19th, 10 AM, in our council work session room.

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 We do have a quorum that is present this morning, so we'll convene promptly at 10 AM.

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 We have any citizens comments on the agenda items?

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 All right, there's no citizens comments, so we'll move down to items for individual consideration.

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 MC 25-054, consider approval of the minutes of September 24, 2025.

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 >> So moved.

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 >> Second.

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 >> All right, so moved and second, is there any discussion?

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 All right, there's no discussion, all in favor?

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 >> Aye. >> Did you have a discussion?

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 >> Aye. >> Okay, all right, all right, that's been approved.

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 For filing, BMC 25-055, receive a report and hold a discussion,

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 and approve the 2026 Mobility Committee meeting schedule.

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 Well, we have the schedule in front of us.

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 Is there gonna be anyone up there, or are we gonna, y'all take a look at those dates.

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 It looks like we are in the blue circle, and it's just our regular routine, Wednesday at 10 AM.

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 >> That appears to be the last Wednesday in each month.

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 >> It's pretty much the last Wednesday, except for November and December, like we've always normally done it.

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 >> In December.

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 >> Mm-hm, any other questions?

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 All right, so are we voting on this?

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 Yes, for approval, all right, so can we get a motion for approval for these dates?

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 All right, we got a motion to- >> Second.

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 >> Second, okay, that's good.

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 >> And these are always at 10 o'clock?

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 >> Yes, they're always at 10 o'clock.

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 >> Okay. >> Okay, good question, decision.

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 >> Question, Chair.

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Do we know, and it's not the responsibility of this party, but

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 it is relevant because there are other bodies that we've been attending that are back to back.

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 Do we know if TURS 1 is moving around?

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 >> I'm not sure, but we can find out.

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 >> Yeah, well, we're going to that after we leave here, so-

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 >> No, it's canceled today.

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 >> I'm so glad you told me that, I'm moving in over there.

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 >> So if staff wouldn't mind doing that, I mean, I know we can always adjust this as an agenda item in a future meeting,

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 but we just want to make sure there's no conflict.

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 >> Sure, good.

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 Okay, well, it's been moved and seconded and discussed, and is there.

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 Can we get a motion for, not a motion.

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 >> A vote.

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 >> A vote, in favor?

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 >> Aye. >> Aye.

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 >> All right, unanimous vote for filing, thank you.

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 Let's see, 25-056, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding Mobility Plan Part 2.1 to introduce and

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 share information on different elements of a mobility plan, thank you so much for bringing that to us.

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 >> Good morning, Chair, committee members, Farhan Butt, Deputy Director, Transportation Services Division.

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 We are here to present the Mobility Plan Boot Camp Part 2.1.

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 The previous Part 2 that I presented in the last Mobility Committee meeting

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 covered the goals of the Mobility Plan at large, and

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 there's another component of the same theme that covers the thoroughfare plan.

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 So that's why it's named Part 2.1.

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 And so today, I'm going to present the thoroughfare plan component of the theme.

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 These are just recap, first two slides will be recap where we'll cover the goals for

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 the comprehensive plan, which highlight there are four goals and

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 that cover safe and efficient mobility, and the second one covers enhanced mobility.

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 And then the third one is non-motorized mobility side of things, and

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 the last one takes care of public transport.

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 And so the comprehensive plan is focused on these four goals when it comes to transportation,

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 planning, and transportation infrastructure side of things.

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 And this is another recap slide so that we can recall what the mobility plan was about.

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 There were four themes in the mobility plan to begin with, prioritized safe travels.

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 We have extensively covered that in the part one.

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 And then part two, we covered the goals, and then thoroughfare plan will be covered today,

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 deliver an effective network for travel, and then third is facilitate alternative travel options.

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 And last one is, fourth is leverage innovation.

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 So these are the four themes that mobility plan revolves around, and all the goals and

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 objectives and policies that it derives, they are around these four themes.

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 When it comes to thoroughfare plan, it is extremely important for cities, for any city.

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 In particular in Denton, we could see it from this scape that I presented here of different

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 options that are at play.

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 So we look at mobility service provision side of things in the top of these two globes,

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 and then there's mobility service choice side of things.

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 So these are two options that we have to play with as a city.

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 And then there's a land development component that is extremely important, that's part

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 of city's day-to-day practice, and then there's a land utilization component.

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 And within these four options, we have to look at accessibility standards, we have to

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 look at travel behavior side of things, that what will happen if this development comes,

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 what it means to city's infrastructure, and what it means in terms of concurrency, that

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 do we have enough supply and demand is covered or not.

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 And then there's activity potential as well.

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 So when there's a development is announced and it is considered an attraction, for example,

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 if it is a general large grocery store or an activity center, there are two sides of

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 things.

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 One is that, yes, it could be providing service to the residents, but another side of thing

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 is that how many people will be attracted to this development, how many trips it will

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 be inducing, how we will balance demand and trip generation when it comes to this development.

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 So what it means in terms of transportation network, what it means in terms of neighboring

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 land uses, is it nearby elementary school or high school, or is it nearby a college

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 or university, what would be the parking management system.

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 So all of these factors are pretty much, I have not covered all, but I would say that

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 pretty, most key factors are included here, including if in the center you would say that

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 trip making and attractiveness, they are there to play with.

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 And the staff, as staff, professional staff, we have to look at these aspects when the

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 development is asking for approvals for their application.

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 Travel demand and occupancy is another factor.

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 And then at large, we are looking at transportation system and land use system, how they are interacting

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 with each other.

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 So some of the key elements that we look at include attractiveness, activity potential,

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 and trip patterns in terms of land development.

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 So see, they are linked to the thoroughfare plan, because in any trips that are happening

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 on the street network, they'll be delivered to major thoroughfares, or they'll be using

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 major thoroughfare to come to these destinations or going back from these origin points.

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 And the same goes for land utilization, where we are looking at occupancy, activity participation,

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 travel demand, and trips.

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 So if we consider in one sentence that what does it mean, all of this slide, information

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 in this slide, all it means is that have we covered our transportation network, have we

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 looked at our transportation network from traffic impact side of things, and are we

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 able to predict how these trips or demand will be connected to thoroughfare and how

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 it may impact?

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 So what changes would be required?

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 We will cover that later on, the staff will cover that later on in other slides.

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 So in cities' comprehensive and mobility plan, when it comes to transportation and

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 land use cycle, it covers arterial improvements in general sense.

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 If we look at, if we ask ourselves, what exactly is going to happen in the nutshell when we

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 have assessments, we have done other things, what will happen?

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 Well, it entails two arterial improvements or accommodating for impacts.

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 It will provide, it will look for increased accessibility, increased land value is considered

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 as well.

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 Land use changes, are we looking for commercial, are we looking for retail, are we looking

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 for multifamily developments, are there any single family or what kind of development

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 would that be?

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 So that is considered.

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 Increased traffic generation is another part of, another aspect that is extremely important

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 to a city, and we look at level of service analysis and see that if this development

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 comes up to its full potential, how the level of service in the neighborhood would change,

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 and then at large, at the thoroughfare, the major thoroughfare would change.

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 Increased traffic conflict, and in terms of safety, we have to look at how other modes

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 would interact with these increased traffic and how it impacts the safety.

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 And last but not least, deterioration of traffic flow quality, which is extremely important

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 for quality of life of the residents.

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 In cities processes, it will be just, it will start, this whole process doesn't directly

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 go to thoroughfare plan.

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 It starts from preliminary plat, and then there will be a TIA determination that if

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 we need traffic impact analysis or a simplistic analysis, then it goes to ZCP, where we say

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 that if the zoning compliance is there, and then look at, zoning compliance process typically

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 adopts all the recommendations by the TIA.

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 Then the next step would be CEP civil engineering plan, where we look at the engineering side

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 of things and ask a question, difficult question, that what needs to happen on the road, on

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 the geometric design side of things, and other elements, traffic elements, for instance.

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 And last, replatting, or we could call it that plat improvements or replatting.

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 So that is done so that all the recommendations made in this process are included, and then

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 those improvements are required as part of the process.

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 So I think this is, it is important to understand that thoroughfare plan is directly tied to

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 the development review process and how the developments impact cities network, road network,

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 and then at large, how it impacts the major arterials or primary arterials that it's connecting

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 to.

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 Denton's 2022 thoroughfare plan was adopted in March 2022 as part of the mobility plan

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 update, and it establishes the long range framework for Denton's street network.

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 But it is a snapshot in time when it comes, thoroughfare plan is not, it is a document,

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 but what we do with the street network is snapshot in time as the developments come,

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 we staff respond to those impacts, and then mobility plan amendments are requested based

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 on the new developments or any changes that are required.

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 It also implements the comprehensive plan's mobility vision for a safe, connected and

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 multimodal city.

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 These are the alignment, this is the alignment matrix where that goes with the comprehensive

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 plan and mobility plan, and basically this identifies how comprehensive plan goals or

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 elements are connected to mobility plan, and then at large with thoroughfare plan.

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 One important one is, for example, multimodal coordination, which is goal three, element

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 number five.

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 And so that, so comprehensive plan's goal, M1, directs to look at safe, connected multimodal

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 systems and sustainable, efficient infrastructure.

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 In response to that, mobility plan goal three asks for multimodal coordination, combined

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 thoroughfare, bicycle, pedestrian networks into one mobility system.

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 It asks for integrated multimodal system that is working for all modes, but not just autos.

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 So these are the two directions coming from our key planning documents that are sacred

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 to cities' planning system, planning process.

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 Then at last, thoroughfare plan guides that focus on implementation and monitoring of

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 these guidelines.

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 By default, since these are guiding documents, they have to be general, but then depending

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 on how the development application is or how the land use process is going, professional

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 staff would make a determination and then provide information to council and other decision-making

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 bodies for recommendation.

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 If there are any other questions, I would be able to address those at the end of the

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 presentation about this matrix.

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 Purpose and core functions of the thoroughfare plan generally is to align any development-related

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 impacts with thoroughfare plan and ensure that these systems are connected.

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 They are not worked in silos.

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 For example, if there's a major development coming, we have to ensure that thoroughfare

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 plan is accommodating that, and then we have to also ensure that any developmental impact

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 would, if any changes are warranted, they are brought into the mobility plan so that

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 it is accommodated.

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 In general, it determines the street alignments, it determines the required or prescribed right-of-way.

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 It ensures that that is available and coordinate design standards.

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 That is one of the extremely important piece of this, where design standards are maintained

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 and ensure that developments are complying and any infrastructure improvements are complying

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 with development standards.

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 What are the different data sources for this plan development?

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 The updated 2015 network, using new growth and traffic data, most of the growth projections

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 are derived from NCTCOG's demographic data, adopted demographic data.

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 And recently, NCTCOG has adopted, updated their base year from 2015 to 2019, and then

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 also the horizon year from 2045 to 2050, and naturally, when we are going to, when staff

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 is going to update the comprehensive plan and mobility plan, we'll be shifting growth

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 projections from 2045 to 2050, and naturally, we'll be aligning ourselves with the regional

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 bodies to ensure that we are channelizing the predicted growth in a meaningful way.

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 And we have, the data sources are the same, for example, population and employment forecasts

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 are to 2040 and 2045, but now it will be changing to 2050 as we go towards updating the mobility

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 plan, active transportation plan, thoroughfare plan, and comprehensive plan next year.

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 Regional travel demand model is aggregate model, and so when we, when staff goes to

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 update these four planning documents, we'll be looking at 2050 demographics, but at the

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 same time, we'll be doing the focused, Denton-focused demographic synthesis.

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 We'll, staff will take the aggregate large regional database and then dive, deep dive

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 into data mining exercise where we will ask for, ask difficult questions at what this

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 growth means to Denton, and then those will be addressed so that we can inform these planning

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 documents.

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 That exercise is already planned with the update process.

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 We have street classification systems in the mobility plan and thoroughfare plan, and that

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 these are primary arterials, secondary arterials, collectors and major collectors, local streets,

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 and each classification defines design, speed, lane, and configuration and right of way.

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 In short, the classification is clear from design perspective that based on the volume

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 projected and speeds required, professional staff is typically able to figure out what

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 classification system will be utilized.

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 And later in slide, I shared their sections as well where we have residential, typical

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 25 to 30 miles per hour, and collectors are, and 55 feet of right of way is required, and

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 then the same for collector, around 65 feet of right of way is required with 30 to 35

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 miles per hour.

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 We, staff recently adopted a new major collector classification type, and that to the mobility

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 plan amendment process, and that goes towards 110 feet of total right of way with slightly

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 elevated speeds, 35 miles per hour, but less than secondary arterial, which is 35 to 40

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 miles per hour.

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 And last but not least, primary arterials, which are the heart line, they are basically

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 40 to 45 miles per hour, and 135 feet of right of way is required.

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 So, these guidelines, they provide staff a clear instruction on how, which classification

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 system to take for a certain development, and we cannot deviate from these classifications.

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 We cannot create our own.

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 We have to stick to these, ensuring that we are complying.

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 There can be certain accommodation requests by the developers, and they are reviewed on

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 case by case basis, but still we have to align with these classification systems for compliance

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 with our mobility plan.

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 And so, when it comes to design and implementation principles, thoroughfare plan and mobility

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 plan at large promotes complete streets concept, which is, which looks into, as previously

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 I highlighted, multimodal system.

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 It talks about enhancing our network based on multimodal system, well integrated multimodal

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 system.

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 What it essentially means is that we cover for all modes, including pedestrians, micromobility

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 options, including bicyclists, and the system has to be accommodating them.

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 And when it comes to complete streets, for all of these modes, including auto, safety

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 is prime factor to be considered.

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 And then also use cases where it has to be context sensitive.

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 We cannot have, you know, 55 miles per hour arterial adjacent to elementary school and

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 asking kids crossing that road.

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 So I think that will be a very tough call.

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 If that happened anywhere, it's something that is, that should be avoided.

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 So I think these kind of considerations, for example, if there is a walking area near downtown,

00:21:33.980 --> 00:21:36.920
 we cannot have a high speed arterial running through that.

00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:41.640
 We have to be considering the other modes, pedestrian in particular.

00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:47.780
 So I think that is the key objective here, that design and implementation principles

00:21:47.780 --> 00:21:49.320
 are context sensitive.

00:21:49.320 --> 00:21:55.560
 They are not done based on just volumes, traffic volumes.

00:21:55.560 --> 00:22:00.560
 It needs a lot of other considerations, safety, what kind of modes, pedestrian, other activity,

00:22:00.560 --> 00:22:02.160
 what kind of land uses are there.

00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.600
 So that is part of that.

00:22:05.600 --> 00:22:10.160
 So as I said earlier, the use, it is used by transportation engineering and planning

00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:15.080
 staff to review that and development proposals at length.

00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:21.280
 I have explained that right from the preliminary plan to all the way to last step, we have

00:22:21.280 --> 00:22:26.560
 to go through the process and see that and look for the traffic impacts and make adjustments

00:22:26.560 --> 00:22:30.120
 and request for those updates.

00:22:30.120 --> 00:22:36.160
 It also coordinates with TEXT.DCT, provide opportunity to coordinate with TEXT.DCT and

00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:42.880
 NCTCOG as we are using their demographic data projections and also using, connecting to

00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:45.720
 their systems.

00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:47.680
 And it is updated periodically.

00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:55.140
 Next update is due 26 and we are planning to kick off late in 2026 update of mobility

00:22:55.140 --> 00:23:03.080
 plan and comprehensive, well comprehensive plan first and then mobility plan.

00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:04.560
 That was a lot of good information.

00:23:04.560 --> 00:23:08.680
 I always look forward to hearing from you and just gaining more knowledge in regards

00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:10.920
 to our mobility plan.

00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:17.360
 I have a lot of questions but I am going to go ahead and let my peers start first.

00:23:17.360 --> 00:23:22.240
 Did you have any questions you want to go first and we will just go this way.

00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:23.240
 Sure.

00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:25.000
 Thank you so much for the presentation.

00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:26.600
 This is exciting.

00:23:26.600 --> 00:23:36.320
 So you said that the new class roadway classification for major collector, that was just approved.

00:23:36.320 --> 00:23:37.320
 I guess I missed that part.

00:23:37.320 --> 00:23:42.640
 Was that in a-- Yes, major collector.

00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:43.640
 This is great.

00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:51.760
 I see this as something that could be helpful for, I am guessing kind of like outside maybe

00:23:51.760 --> 00:23:53.400
 residential areas.

00:23:53.400 --> 00:24:01.200
 Would this require, I am seeing in the diagram there I see bike lanes with bollards and then

00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:05.800
 also walking, walk paths.

00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:13.560
 Would this turn some of those, would it turn a collector, is this typically going to turn

00:24:13.560 --> 00:24:20.360
 a collector classification into a major collector or a secondary arterial into a major collector?

00:24:20.360 --> 00:24:23.400
 And how will we start to reclassify those roads?

00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.940
 It could go both ways, context sensitive of course.

00:24:27.940 --> 00:24:35.680
 One example is Windsor connector that we worked on and that's where we found that it initially

00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:41.180
 could have been secondary arterial but then due to multimodal activity, staff recommended

00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:47.680
 that we need a different classification system that is slightly higher in speed from collectors

00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.760
 but at the same time accommodating other modes.

00:24:50.760 --> 00:24:55.040
 But as I said, it could go in both directions depending on where the location is.

00:24:55.040 --> 00:24:56.040
 That's great.

00:24:56.040 --> 00:25:03.280
 I am hopeful that a lot of our collectors or secondary arterials could be classified

00:25:03.280 --> 00:25:04.760
 as the major collector.

00:25:04.760 --> 00:25:11.200
 I think that this seems to better integrate our goals for having the multimodal since

00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:18.900
 we have so many more cyclists, people on e-bikes, having those protected lanes I think is going

00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:25.760
 to be extremely vital for the next few years in Denton as we grow.

00:25:25.760 --> 00:25:31.480
 I'm just seeing that this ties into the previous presentations that you've given where we're

00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:36.680
 looking at the trends, correct, like we're looking at where mobility is headed and this

00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:40.720
 is a great way I think to respond to that.

00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:41.720
 So I'm really excited.

00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:49.520
 Do you have any other examples besides Windsor or what would be like the timeline as far

00:25:49.520 --> 00:25:52.920
 as getting those reclassifications?

00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:58.720
 What is the process for identifying a collector or secondary arterial and then getting that

00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:01.120
 reclassified and then what happens after that?

00:26:01.120 --> 00:26:08.160
 Do we then go and get potential funding to reconstruct it so that it actually now matches

00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.600
 the standard that we've got here?

00:26:10.600 --> 00:26:17.760
 So I think maybe I did not do a good job of explaining.

00:26:17.760 --> 00:26:26.960
 Secondary and primary arterial are key streets or highways or part of the road network because

00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:31.060
 imagine a residential development starts with residential street.

00:26:31.060 --> 00:26:37.160
 Then it provides that flow to a collector or a major collector that take it to the next

00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:42.000
 joint where it can deliver the traffic.

00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:46.880
 And then from there secondary or primary arterial will pick up the traffic and take them to

00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:54.360
 freeway and to take them to Dallas or Denton, wherever if it's coming from Argyle, for example.

00:26:54.360 --> 00:26:58.920
 So each classification is serving a key role.

00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:07.560
 So imagine if we take people from residential and put them in collector all the way to I-35.

00:27:07.560 --> 00:27:14.680
 Their experience of travel during the morning peak would be level of service F because of

00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.960
 the amount of traffic volume, high traffic volumes.

00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:28.720
 So staff is not trying to convert every secondary arterial or primary arterial to major collector.

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:30.320
 That's not the intent.

00:27:30.320 --> 00:27:39.800
 Because each one has a role, we would context-based if there's an opportunity, we would look at

00:27:39.800 --> 00:27:41.280
 that case by case basis.

00:27:41.280 --> 00:27:42.280
 Okay.

00:27:42.280 --> 00:27:43.280
 That's great.

00:27:43.280 --> 00:27:44.280
 Thank you.

00:27:44.280 --> 00:27:45.280
 All right.

00:27:45.280 --> 00:27:50.280
 Thank you, Madam Chair.

00:27:50.280 --> 00:27:55.240
 So just for context, the Windsor thing is actually the new piece that would be the connective

00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.120
 to 288 for folks online that want to look at that.

00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:05.840
 It doesn't exist yet, he's planning it.

00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:09.840
 And that may be why it's unfamiliar to some.

00:28:09.840 --> 00:28:17.800
 First I want to start off with, I cannot be more thankful that someone with an academic

00:28:17.800 --> 00:28:23.040
 and analytical approach to this is analyzing the streets for Denton.

00:28:23.040 --> 00:28:28.960
 And I think we're really lucky to have you, Dr. Butt, because -- and I'm not just blowing

00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:29.960
 smoke at you.

00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:34.840
 I think it's really critically important to take these higher order analyses and I'm going

00:28:34.840 --> 00:28:39.600
 to get slightly wonkish -- oh, when do I not?

00:28:39.600 --> 00:28:43.400
 Because a lot of the decisions that we're making that I'm so grateful you know how to

00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:51.080
 do are these sort of network topology analyses, you know, is it hierarchical, is it mesh,

00:28:51.080 --> 00:28:54.280
 is it bus, is it flat?

00:28:54.280 --> 00:28:59.120
 And because they have an impact on all these different decisions that we have to make.

00:28:59.120 --> 00:29:04.720
 And so forgive me if a lot of my questions today revolve around network topologies.

00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:16.120
 And I'll leap off her question that -- sorry, I should say Commissioner Penn's question

00:29:16.120 --> 00:29:25.880
 about the different sort of visions -- how do we mesh, you know, this decision tree?

00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.120
 You were just talking about, well, we don't want -- we have a hierarchical network and

00:29:29.120 --> 00:29:35.800
 we don't want it to be, you know, the different roles except sometimes you do.

00:29:35.800 --> 00:29:40.960
 And there's arguments in design when we're trying to design flow, walkability, we're

00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.680
 trying to mesh transit with others.

00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:49.920
 So can you provide a little education and color from your training to let us understand

00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:57.360
 better how, you know, having like a mesh network in a neighborhood would have like, you know,

00:29:57.360 --> 00:30:01.680
 four or five different smaller roads, but the fact that there was four or five of them

00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:07.760
 would provide the flow, the transport, the connectivity, the path design, as opposed

00:30:07.760 --> 00:30:13.640
 to having just a few little residentials and then immediately branch out into a tree, which

00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:19.520
 crams everybody down into those few networks, and those are sort of a philosophical difference

00:30:19.520 --> 00:30:20.520
 between those.

00:30:20.520 --> 00:30:24.880
 And how does that impact how we design this town, where we put buildings, where we put

00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:25.880
 schools?

00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.120
 Because it does go to putting a school next to a major road by accident, and it does go

00:30:30.120 --> 00:30:35.080
 to how do we get rid of the stuff in the past that was done, you know, because we had the

00:30:35.080 --> 00:30:37.940
 money to do it versus a smart way that you would design.

00:30:37.940 --> 00:30:43.040
 And I know that was a lot, but it's a big question of philosophy behind how we design

00:30:43.040 --> 00:30:44.040
 this town.

00:30:44.040 --> 00:30:45.480
 Can you add a little color to that?

00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:46.480
 Yes.

00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.280
 So, you know, it ties to excess management, and I'll be very brief and maybe we'll circle

00:30:51.280 --> 00:30:59.520
 back with more information, but a significant part of planning transportation infrastructure

00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:03.040
 network is tied to excess management.

00:31:03.040 --> 00:31:09.840
 When transportation planner and land use planners see that there's an elementary school part

00:31:09.840 --> 00:31:15.560
 of or schools are part of the development, then the next question that should be on the

00:31:15.560 --> 00:31:19.440
 table is that where are the access points for these?

00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:24.560
 If somebody's providing direct access point to the school, that's a no-no.

00:31:24.560 --> 00:31:33.960
 I think it has to be looked at and appropriate, suitable access points should be provided

00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.280
 so that it's safe and it's not also hindering the traffic.

00:31:38.280 --> 00:31:43.920
 Another aspect which is often overlooked is that we staff, planning staff, and transportation

00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:45.920
 planning staff is not looking at existing.

00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.140
 When we are making planning decisions, we have the information that tells us that, oh,

00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:57.520
 the population is doubling by 2050, and we must do something about it.

00:31:57.520 --> 00:32:03.120
 And the demographics in terms of employment categories, retail, commercial, or industrial,

00:32:03.120 --> 00:32:06.800
 or office space, will be more than doubled within 25 years.

00:32:06.800 --> 00:32:12.640
 So now our decisions would be hinged on that, that, okay, this is a major thoroughfare.

00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:13.640
 What needs to happen?

00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:18.000
 At least we need to have right-of-way dedication so that when the time comes, we are not paying

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:22.200
 fortune to buy the right-of-way and then making those decisions.

00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:23.280
 So that is the third element.

00:32:23.280 --> 00:32:31.040
 And last is that the hierarchical structure is important because residential streets typically

00:32:31.040 --> 00:32:35.680
 deliver the different developments, would deliver to collector or major collector, and

00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:41.520
 then they will be, they will, in rare cases, they could go to the freeway access points,

00:32:41.520 --> 00:32:45.200
 but they are linked to primary arterial or secondary arterial, which are collecting at

00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.120
 large from the region and which are then connected to the freeway system.

00:32:49.120 --> 00:32:53.840
 If we don't follow that approach, then the whole system, the whole infrastructure system

00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:59.520
 that we are developing will collapse because what happens is that major collector cannot

00:32:59.520 --> 00:33:05.240
 take a lot of traffic volume from multiple sources, multiple regions.

00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:10.040
 And it has to be taking from a few, and then secondary collector or secondary arterial

00:33:10.040 --> 00:33:11.920
 or primary should come into picture.

00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.840
 So I think that's the minimum, that's a brief answer.

00:33:14.840 --> 00:33:19.960
 If there are more concerns, staff can get back in the next meeting and provide some

00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:21.840
 summary or some blurb.

00:33:21.840 --> 00:33:27.600
 No, I appreciate that, and I don't want to, I don't want to drown us in wonkishness.

00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:33.080
 So I'll get with you, but I will follow up and maybe answer just briefly because I think

00:33:33.080 --> 00:33:39.520
 it's germane to a lot of what we do in here, and that is these different topologies really

00:33:39.520 --> 00:33:47.320
 impact safety, and so we have this demand of development volume going into the future,

00:33:47.320 --> 00:33:52.320
 and that has, like it should be super hierarchical, because we're trying to flow people in and

00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:56.880
 out of these different neighborhoods, but safety says make it flatter, smaller, and

00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.560
 have more options.

00:33:59.560 --> 00:34:02.120
 And so those two are fighting each other.

00:34:02.120 --> 00:34:05.760
 So both in our future discussion and maybe very, very briefly here, and then I'll shut

00:34:05.760 --> 00:34:13.040
 up, Chair, is can you talk about how Vision Zero impacts these design issues because councils

00:34:13.040 --> 00:34:22.920
 prioritize that as one of our key city goals above some of our other goals, and that's

00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:26.480
 going to change how we do our thoroughfare plan design.

00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:34.040
 So keep three corridors, 407, Dobson, and Vintage.

00:34:34.040 --> 00:34:39.920
 How the demographics have changed there and how we have to now make changes, improvements

00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:46.440
 to accommodate the growth and talk about departmental grocery stores and the growth that has happened

00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.440
 there.

00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:51.400
 That's one example where city staff has to relook and say, "No, it's not going to be

00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:52.400
 collected anymore.

00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.960
 We have to look at other systems."

00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.880
 And I'm not providing any details for that.

00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:59.560
 We can discuss it at large.

00:34:59.560 --> 00:35:04.640
 When it comes to Vision Zero, for instance, we have identified 11 high-injury network

00:35:04.640 --> 00:35:11.580
 corridors through our Vision Zero phase two process, and those are the key corridors.

00:35:11.580 --> 00:35:17.000
 And I have talked to transportation staff already where I have asked that, "Look, we

00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.680
 have these 11 corridors.

00:35:18.680 --> 00:35:21.040
 We don't have to wait until 2035.

00:35:21.040 --> 00:35:29.600
 Our staff is going at each prioritized corridor, 11 of them, and staff will recommend improvements

00:35:29.600 --> 00:35:33.140
 as we follow the work plan for Vision Zero."

00:35:33.140 --> 00:35:40.440
 And so the idea is that we address those, we mitigate those prioritized items, 11 high-injury

00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:44.940
 network corridors, and fix them one by one on priority.

00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:50.620
 Once we fix them, that means that some more additional corridors may appear over time

00:35:50.620 --> 00:35:57.040
 in five years, but we will address all those 11 of them in timely fashion.

00:35:57.040 --> 00:36:03.440
 And if we address those and make sure that all other new interventions or developments

00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:09.840
 have safety component of it, a major safety component, we should be able to address our

00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.920
 safety issues within the timeline of 2035.

00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:15.600
 I have no doubt about that.

00:36:15.600 --> 00:36:21.460
 But if we delay this process of addressing the 11 corridors from not as part of our priority,

00:36:21.460 --> 00:36:26.800
 then as part of the Vision Zero process, we have matched our timelines to achieve Vision

00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.460
 Zero with TxDOT and NCDCOG.

00:36:30.460 --> 00:36:36.360
 So we are in alignment with our regional partners, and it is extremely important for transportation

00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:41.600
 staff that we deliver these before the timeline, 2035 that is.

00:36:41.600 --> 00:36:49.040
 No, I appreciate that, we'll wonk off, be wonkish, yeah, we'll do that later.

00:36:49.040 --> 00:36:53.960
 But I appreciate the thing, and I'll just give one last moment of praise, and that is

00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.860
 I don't see a lot of necessarily your fellow engineers, this is going to sound so mean

00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:02.960
 to the regional people, but always taking that approach, they are often very reactive,

00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.480
 so I'm very, very excited that you're proactive on some of these issues.

00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:08.480
 So thank you.

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:15.600
 Yeah, that means a lot coming from you, it means quite a bit.

00:37:15.600 --> 00:37:20.260
 I had a couple of questions, and as we were going through and you were answering some

00:37:20.260 --> 00:37:29.480
 things, okay, so I'm thinking about a, I mean, we can use the heel wood properties over as

00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:35.640
 an example, we know we're getting ready for a Craver Ranch people, keeping that in mind,

00:37:35.640 --> 00:37:40.880
 one of the things that they were talking about was we have three schools, we're going to

00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:47.880
 be putting in three schools, for them to make an announcement like that, would the road

00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:55.320
 system will have already been kind of set up for, let's say a developer that's coming

00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.920
 in and they know that they're going to have three schools, will you all have already met

00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:09.920
 with them in regards to the type of roadway that would be necessary around those areas,

00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:16.000
 we know that school is a big deal for us in traveling to schools, we have our consumer

00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:23.120
 here, when does the conversation like that come into play?

00:38:23.120 --> 00:38:31.260
 So there's a very effective development review process, very rigorous, that each development

00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:37.800
 application goes through, and as part of that process it is looked at, yes, and not only

00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:45.680
 the schools, but there are other uses, environmental, many other aspects are considered, and typically

00:38:45.680 --> 00:38:51.040
 city staff, ranging from different departments, they do a good job and they looked at all

00:38:51.040 --> 00:38:52.040
 these options.

00:38:52.040 --> 00:39:00.180
 Okay, and then you said something about attractiveness and land use, my real basic kindergarten level

00:39:00.180 --> 00:39:09.880
 question is that when we have those medians, I've often wondered how is it determined what

00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:14.440
 a median looks like, sometimes they have a lot of trees, sometimes there's no trees,

00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:19.440
 sometimes they're very narrow, you know, how, and I'm thinking about the attractiveness

00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:24.360
 part, because sometimes you have a corridor, you got trees, you know, and you have Texas

00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.800
 plants, how does something like that come about?

00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:33.440
 You know, the development application, the developer typically decides on what kind of

00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:42.400
 landscape they have to provide on these external options, typically city leaves it onto their

00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.280
 application, there's a minimum standard that we have to maintain, but when it comes to

00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:53.800
 landscaping and elevated landscaping, it's developer's choice.

00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.200
 And does that come with a certain type of roadway?

00:39:57.200 --> 00:40:01.540
 Is it always like an arterial type roadway where you see these things?

00:40:01.540 --> 00:40:07.280
 Depends on who owns it, textile, maintained by textile, maintained by city and county,

00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.680
 all of those factors go into this.

00:40:10.680 --> 00:40:19.040
 And then you say something about the community's character, how much does a community, how

00:40:19.040 --> 00:40:25.760
 much weight does a community opinions come in into a roadway, is there an opinion factor

00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.840
 from the community or is it always just a standard?

00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:33.200
 I know you say you can't mediate from a lot of things, I heard that.

00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:39.840
 We have to play carefully as staff, we have weightage of data-driven decisions, but at

00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:47.400
 the same time, community's needs and their choices are important, but in many cases,

00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:53.600
 for example, there's a safety issue and we have to make an intervention to address that

00:40:53.600 --> 00:40:56.720
 safety, to mitigate that safety issue.

00:40:56.720 --> 00:41:02.120
 In that case, data would prevail and data-driven decision would be made, even though if we

00:41:02.120 --> 00:41:07.480
 are getting some comments from community that we don't want it, but if it is from safety

00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.840
 standpoint it is needed, we have to do it.

00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:17.320
 And in other cases, community, we have a community engagement piece in every major study, major

00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:22.240
 development, and that is part of every study that we do.

00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:28.520
 And so it's by default there, their choices are there.

00:41:28.520 --> 00:41:37.960
 For residents, I know recently, very close to me, mile per hour signs were put in a resident

00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:44.440
 area, and the mile per hour signs were at 30, and of course the residents who are sitting

00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:51.720
 on their ports sees a car driving 30 miles per hour in a residential space, it looks

00:41:51.720 --> 00:42:04.400
 very, very fast, but I noticed that can a community help dictate the flow of the traffic,

00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:10.720
 the mile per hour, can a community come back and say, "We don't want 30 miles per hour,

00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:15.200
 we want 25, we want 20 miles per hour."

00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:18.560
 How difficult would something like that be to change?

00:42:18.560 --> 00:42:28.920
 That idea is open generally, but with big condition, it's a state mandate, and so state

00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.920
 mandates that 30 miles per hour is the residential speed in Texas, posted speed.

00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:38.360
 But in certain cases, for example, school zone, we could do 20 miles per hour.

00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:45.140
 And if there is a fatality, serious injury, and there is a hotspot for that where frequent

00:42:45.140 --> 00:42:50.800
 accidents are happening, we can build a case and make an application to state, but state

00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:55.040
 would look at it rigorously, and they'll ask for a reason.

00:42:55.040 --> 00:43:01.260
 So I think we'll have to make the case, but generally, it is not a good idea that we go

00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:10.120
 for every residential street and asking for 25 or 20, imagine they'll be a compliance

00:43:10.120 --> 00:43:11.120
 issue.

00:43:11.120 --> 00:43:15.240
 What that will happen is that we'll start getting compliance complaints from citizens

00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:17.440
 that we are getting too many citations from police.

00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:18.440
 Oh, okay.

00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:20.640
 So that's another side of the equation.

00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:21.640
 But I'm also...

00:43:21.640 --> 00:43:28.440
 But a prevalent issue is that staff is seeing more and more, and we are trying to strategize

00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:35.840
 it somehow, is driving behavior issue among the community members, and they are not following

00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:42.840
 the signages, they are not following the stop signs, and they are speeding at night times,

00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.620
 usually when there is no traffic.

00:43:44.620 --> 00:43:49.880
 And all of those issues we cannot solve by putting more signages or more stop signs.

00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:58.020
 We are looking into some kind of program where we start driver behavior engagement session

00:43:58.020 --> 00:44:03.320
 with the community members, which are mostly impacted by these issues, and may collaborate

00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.680
 with the council members on that.

00:44:05.680 --> 00:44:13.440
 So I'm recognizing that the streets in residential neighborhoods, they appear to be getting more

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.500
 narrow and narrow as we go along.

00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:17.500
 That's good.

00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:22.600
 I know that's a good thing, because there's cars on either side.

00:44:22.600 --> 00:44:29.680
 So that's very important, but still having that 30 mile per hour sign in that area, there's

00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:33.000
 going to be somebody out there that's...

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:38.440
 In any case, everybody doesn't follow the rules, I understand that.

00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:39.440
 Thank you for that.

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.440
 Let me see, what else?

00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:52.420
 Go to screen nine, page nine right there, I had nine there.

00:44:52.420 --> 00:44:56.800
 The core functions of a therapy, I need to remember my question, because I was thinking

00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:08.400
 as I was reading this the right away, when you all are designing the road and you are

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.120
 moving it from a...

00:45:10.120 --> 00:45:15.240
 Go to the other one that has all the different...

00:45:15.240 --> 00:45:31.440
 When you're moving it from a secondary arterial to a major collector, will the community have

00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.200
 some say in that strategy there?

00:45:36.200 --> 00:45:37.200
 Yes.

00:45:37.200 --> 00:45:44.080
 During the Windsor process, for example, we had three community meetings, at least three,

00:45:44.080 --> 00:45:49.520
 I remember, yes, and then so the community process was integral part of it, and it always

00:45:49.520 --> 00:45:56.600
 is, regardless of what studies we do, we make community engagement as a component of that

00:45:56.600 --> 00:45:57.600
 large study.

00:45:57.600 --> 00:46:02.520
 We can't talk about small ones, even small ones we are required to inform community about

00:46:02.520 --> 00:46:03.520
 those.

00:46:03.520 --> 00:46:07.200
 Okay, thank you very much, those are all the questions I had, appreciate it.

00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:08.200
 Thank you.

00:46:08.200 --> 00:46:17.280
 I'm kind of picking up stuff here, the end of the caboose, so to speak, almost.

00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.480
 You did not just call our fellow commissioner the caboose.

00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.240
 No, almost, I think I did.

00:46:25.240 --> 00:46:39.800
 Page 12, I'm thinking Carroll Boulevard, and is...okay, I noticed that none of the trees

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:45.160
 are in the median on any of these examples, and you say that that's the developer's, the

00:46:45.160 --> 00:46:50.000
 designer's prerogative.

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.560
 Is a tree a safety factor one way or another in the median?

00:46:54.560 --> 00:46:55.560
 It could be.

00:46:55.560 --> 00:47:02.360
 If it is hindering line of sight, and especially in terms of turning, it could be, and that

00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:08.640
 is taken into consideration during the design, and so for instance, when I said developer's

00:47:08.640 --> 00:47:14.080
 prerogative, that is related to developments, but of course, when it comes to city or other

00:47:14.080 --> 00:47:20.360
 infrastructure, that is the city's consideration as well, but line of sight, safety, all those

00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:21.360
 factors are considered.

00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:30.000
 Well, and the line of sight would be toward a turning in a straightaway, that should not

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.000
 be a factor.

00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:32.600
 It's just there for beautification, I guess.

00:47:32.600 --> 00:47:40.520
 Well, so if you're turning from a minor street to a major, and a tree is standing right in

00:47:40.520 --> 00:47:46.000
 front of your line of sight, hindering who is coming from the other side, that could

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.240
 be a line of sight issue, and we have seen a couple of cases here in Denton.

00:47:49.240 --> 00:47:54.640
 We have requested Tech Start, for example, on University Drive to remove some plantation

00:47:54.640 --> 00:47:57.880
 for that case, on University.

00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:04.540
 You and I have done some neighborhood meetings, and I find it ironic that we're talking about

00:48:04.540 --> 00:48:11.120
 moving traffic efficiently, but what our experience has been is slowing down traffic.

00:48:11.120 --> 00:48:15.120
 So you mentioned traffic calming devices.

00:48:15.120 --> 00:48:17.320
 Can you give some examples of those, please?

00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:24.640
 Traffic calming devices are typically the arrangements of access management and components

00:48:24.640 --> 00:48:33.880
 that could be installed on the street or on the side of the street as a signage, or other

00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:40.640
 measures, for example, narrowing down the lanes to calm traffic, to slow down traffic.

00:48:40.640 --> 00:48:42.920
 Stop sign is not one of them.

00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:43.920
 That's crucial.

00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:51.960
 Stop sign is a directional access measure, which one goes first, and that way we kind

00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:56.160
 of, you know, control the flow, but it's not a speed measure.

00:48:56.160 --> 00:49:00.140
 But there are many, we have provided that information, staff has provided that information

00:49:00.140 --> 00:49:07.880
 in past, in presentation, that what components could be done when it comes to traffic calming.

00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:15.760
 But it's not only the speed bumps, or that's one element, there are many, many other things

00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:25.820
 we could do, for example, increasing, lowering the width and adding more median pieces or

00:49:25.820 --> 00:49:28.920
 access points, and there are many, many ways we could do that.

00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.920
 The trend seems to be away from speed bumps.

00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.920
 Because of the technology, it is irrelevant.

00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:41.520
 It's the equipment, OEMs that are providing us our fire equipment, they are, our fire

00:49:41.520 --> 00:49:48.600
 equipment is loaded with water, and then that cannot resist that kind of jump that it, when

00:49:48.600 --> 00:49:52.040
 it goes through these bumps.

00:49:52.040 --> 00:49:57.280
 And many other cities in US, they have equipment that could sustain that, but we don't.

00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:01.000
 As long as we do that, we have to follow what direction we get from fire department.

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:02.000
 That's interesting.

00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:03.600
 That hadn't occurred to me.

00:50:03.600 --> 00:50:05.440
 We can't do speed questions, though.

00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:12.640
 We can do, but then speed questions would have access points, but then ambulances, other

00:50:12.640 --> 00:50:17.840
 fire, first response equipments, they have to, their axle has to be in line, in alignment

00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:18.840
 with that.

00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:23.400
 So we cannot provide multiple speed, multiple speed questions with access points.

00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:28.680
 But it's workable, but I think generally we are getting from our first response service

00:50:28.680 --> 00:50:35.680
 that avoid that, please, it's two minutes slow down could cause us, is extremely important

00:50:35.680 --> 00:50:36.680
 in those cases.

00:50:36.680 --> 00:50:39.680
 It can make a big difference in saving somebody's life.

00:50:39.680 --> 00:50:40.680
 Okay.

00:50:40.680 --> 00:50:41.680
 Okay.

00:50:41.680 --> 00:50:42.680
 Yes, ma'am.

00:50:42.680 --> 00:50:43.680
 All right.

00:50:43.680 --> 00:50:44.680
 I don't have anything.

00:50:44.680 --> 00:50:45.680
 You don't have anything?

00:50:45.680 --> 00:50:46.680
 I'm good.

00:50:46.680 --> 00:50:47.680
 Okay.

00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:48.680
 All right.

00:50:48.680 --> 00:50:49.680
 All right, we'll go back in.

00:50:49.680 --> 00:50:50.680
 Sure.

00:50:50.680 --> 00:50:51.680
 Boom.

00:50:51.680 --> 00:50:55.920
 So when we've talked, we've talked about this several times about traffic calming.

00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:04.040
 Is there a way outside of our big, big plan here that we're kind of the boot camp, our

00:51:04.040 --> 00:51:11.800
 sort of philosophical way to kind of see the big picture, we've talked through several

00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.560
 times and our neighborhoods have come up several times.

00:51:15.560 --> 00:51:19.200
 Traffic calming ideas have come up several times.

00:51:19.200 --> 00:51:26.640
 I understand the importance of going through the typology, classifying things.

00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:31.600
 I imagine once we classify things, then we can, the city can say, okay, we want to make

00:51:31.600 --> 00:51:34.960
 the rest of Windsor like that portion of Windsor.

00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.080
 Now we're going to have to go out and get funding for that.

00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:41.920
 That might take several years or some, maybe we want in my neighborhood like Malone, like

00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.000
 maybe Malone could be classified as that.

00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:48.940
 But I imagine again, that would take several years to get that project underway.

00:51:48.940 --> 00:51:55.520
 Has staff considered any kind of like smaller, maybe like safer neighborhoods program where

00:51:55.520 --> 00:52:00.880
 it could, neighborhoods could say, we really do want it to be traffic to be slowed.

00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.720
 We understand we can't make it slower than 30 miles per hour.

00:52:05.720 --> 00:52:07.480
 Some neighborhoods are not narrow.

00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.920
 Some neighborhoods are very wide.

00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:16.900
 We'd like to request some paint and bollard bump outs that might cost a few thousand dollars

00:52:16.900 --> 00:52:20.040
 or we'd like to request some pinch points.

00:52:20.040 --> 00:52:28.800
 Is there, is there any plan in place to create like a sort of quick build program that neighborhoods

00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:35.200
 or businesses could say, until this road is ever reclassified and now we get the funding

00:52:35.200 --> 00:52:41.480
 and now we get all of the facilities that maybe the staff determines might be required

00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:44.600
 or might be good for the future.

00:52:44.600 --> 00:52:45.960
 We've got an issue right now.

00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.160
 We've got people speeding, even with all the signs.

00:52:48.160 --> 00:52:52.160
 We've got people going through the stoplights.

00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:54.720
 What is, what are your thoughts on that?

00:52:54.720 --> 00:53:00.080
 Like kind of making it a little bit more accessible for neighborhoods to go, we'd like to implement

00:53:00.080 --> 00:53:02.400
 some of these traffic calming menu.

00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:08.680
 Like you've got a menu and they might say, we were interested in these several ideas.

00:53:08.680 --> 00:53:13.040
 Could you come in and assess and then implement those things?

00:53:13.040 --> 00:53:20.360
 Staff has been to at least six community meetings where we were invited to talk about certain

00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:21.360
 improvements.

00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:27.960
 And we, staff was of impression that community is behind it, but in most meetings only to

00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.280
 find out that one or two people were supporting that idea.

00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:39.520
 And then when we presented the ideas in that community meeting, we were informed that why

00:53:39.520 --> 00:53:40.520
 are you here?

00:53:40.520 --> 00:53:45.300
 Why are you making these presentations and why, who invited you?

00:53:45.300 --> 00:53:53.160
 And so I think I'm humbly trying to request our leadership here to develop a process and

00:53:53.160 --> 00:53:59.560
 we can assist in this process, develop a process where if that kind of suggestion comes where

00:53:59.560 --> 00:54:08.280
 staff will spend a lot of resources before it comes to fruition, we ensure that community

00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:15.120
 is behind this idea and community is, there should be multiple rounds of community meetings

00:54:15.120 --> 00:54:22.840
 between the council members or mobility committee members and planning and zoning commissioners.

00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.960
 They all should be there, they rigorously go through that idea.

00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:29.360
 That staff recommendation, I'm not saying that needs to happen.

00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:35.200
 I think of course that can be discussed, but that needs to happen before cities start spending

00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:42.720
 dollars, public dollars on these efforts only to find out that the community is not behind

00:54:42.720 --> 00:54:43.720
 it.

00:54:43.720 --> 00:54:48.360
 So that is extremely important and that has happened multiple times with us in many cases.

00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.860
 I won't quote the cases here, but CMO knows about that.

00:54:51.860 --> 00:54:53.480
 And that's unfortunate.

00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:58.040
 So one suggestion I might have, so as someone in a community where I have brought some of

00:54:58.040 --> 00:55:05.200
 those ideas and it has been disappointing to have my neighbors totally misunderstand

00:55:05.200 --> 00:55:11.760
 the idea, the vision, the heart behind it, and then shoot it down and hate it.

00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:16.360
 It would be real, if one possible suggestion would be, let's say a neighborhood person

00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:22.240
 comes and says, a few of my neighbors and I have noticed some of these issues.

00:55:22.240 --> 00:55:27.800
 We would like to start a process of getting buy-in from our neighborhood.

00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:31.680
 Number one, what is even possible on this particular street?

00:55:31.680 --> 00:55:36.840
 And maybe staff could offer a couple of suggestions without hopefully spending too much time.

00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:46.040
 And then maybe that neighbor could then go in and find a way to even make it digitally,

00:55:46.040 --> 00:55:49.720
 do a mock-up so that neighbors actually can see what it looks like.

00:55:49.720 --> 00:55:54.000
 I'm not saying staff would do that, but maybe even if it was something that now this neighbor

00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:59.080
 has the tools to go, okay, this is even what is possible, now it's my responsibility to

00:55:59.080 --> 00:56:00.400
 get the neighborhood buy-in.

00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:05.240
 And then from that point, maybe once we get the buy-in, then we kind of come back.

00:56:05.240 --> 00:56:09.360
 So maybe it's like a two-touch point thing where if a neighborhood even finds out before

00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.960
 somebody goes, we want to do all these things, and then we find out, oh, we can't even do

00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:13.960
 those things.

00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:14.960
 Those aren't even possible.

00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:19.640
 There's kind of a dance here to try to get the neighborhood to understand.

00:56:19.640 --> 00:56:25.680
 Those of us that have seen it done well, there's a translation problem in even getting people

00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:31.080
 to understand the vision where sometimes even just seeing a picture or a digital mock-up

00:56:31.080 --> 00:56:33.440
 of like, oh, this is what it would look like with medians.

00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:35.920
 This is what ... We're not talking about something that's really ugly.

00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:40.000
 It actually could enhance our neighborhood or could make things better.

00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.000
 I don't know.

00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:42.800
 Just a thought.

00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.120
 I hate that that has happened to you all.

00:56:45.120 --> 00:56:51.700
 I really, really do, and it's a common issue, I think, where it's difficult to get people

00:56:51.700 --> 00:56:56.760
 to those meetings, it's difficult to get the people who support those ideas to show up

00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:57.760
 and be vocal.

00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:01.560
 Typically, the most vocal people are the people who don't want something.

00:57:01.560 --> 00:57:05.720
 So ... Staff is trying to accomplish the prioritization

00:57:05.720 --> 00:57:11.440
 that has been delivered, given to us, assigned to us from CMO and council, and some of those

00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:18.360
 are those high-injury network that's top priority, and I can't even express it how many times

00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:23.480
 in a day I reach out to Chandra and my team that go after it.

00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.680
 I need some results on that, and so that is a priority, and there are a couple of other

00:57:28.680 --> 00:57:29.680
 things.

00:57:29.680 --> 00:57:32.240
 For example, mobility plan amendment is ... Mobility plan is coming.

00:57:32.240 --> 00:57:33.640
 There are developments going on.

00:57:33.640 --> 00:57:37.640
 There's so many things going on where staff is prioritizing things according to CMO's

00:57:37.640 --> 00:57:38.640
 direction.

00:57:38.640 --> 00:57:42.400
 It is prioritized by council and CMO, we'll be happy to assist.

00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:53.080
 I was just going to pop in, I appreciate that living in society is a complex ... It is hard

00:57:53.080 --> 00:58:00.320
 to get everyone on board, but that's the sort of magic of democracy.

00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:07.760
 It does help if we can put in procedures and tools that are well understood, so that you

00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:12.760
 can assemble the Legos in different ways, depending on the needs of the community, but

00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:17.560
 I think to Mr. Penn's point, and that is ... Or member Penn's point, I'm going to get all

00:58:17.560 --> 00:58:20.960
 these titles wrong.

00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:25.560
 Many members of our community and even members of the mobility committee don't always understand

00:58:25.560 --> 00:58:30.800
 what Legos are available, so we don't know what we can construct out of those Legos,

00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:36.200
 so to the extent that you could make the community's life easier, and they could turn around and

00:58:36.200 --> 00:58:43.280
 make your life easier because they know the catalog of things without asking you to do

00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:44.440
 wasted efforts.

00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:46.480
 Does that make sense?

00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:54.520
 We could prioritize the process if CMO directs, and they do certainly, but how much a priority

00:58:54.520 --> 00:58:59.840
 it is for council and CMO, that has to be decided, and once it is clear, we could move

00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:00.840
 in that direction.

00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:01.840
 Appreciate that.

00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:02.840
 Okay.

00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:06.520
 Well, those were some good questions, thank you very much.

00:59:06.520 --> 00:59:13.160
 I have just one last question, and I'm going back to the sight line that you talked about.

00:59:13.160 --> 00:59:25.040
 If a sight line is being blocked from a citizen's private residence, and I'm thinking a lot

00:59:25.040 --> 00:59:31.840
 about McKinney, coming out and going on McKinney, and those homes being so close to the roadway,

00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:37.320
 and they have trees and bushes and things like that, instead of me getting out of my

00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:44.760
 car with my little stall and sawing down their bush because I can't see around it.

00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.480
 I want to do that so bad, but I really, I know I can't do it.

00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:50.840
 They're going to send you to JP.

00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.680
 I know, I know, I know, I want to do it so bad.

00:59:53.680 --> 01:00:03.960
 How do we, as a community, relay that information to the city to help us with that problem?

01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:08.080
 Do we just need to do 311, or how does that come about?

01:00:08.080 --> 01:00:11.760
 Because there's several areas that I would like to do that.

01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:16.640
 Yeah, that is Denton 311 request, and once you make a request, it is forwarded to appropriate

01:00:16.640 --> 01:00:17.640
 department.

01:00:17.640 --> 01:00:18.640
 Okay.

01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:19.640
 All right, thank you.

01:00:19.640 --> 01:00:23.480
 I knew that, but I just needed a community to know that, and I did mention something

01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:28.720
 last night at the end of our meeting that we should take advantage of the materials

01:00:28.720 --> 01:00:29.720
 that we already have.

01:00:29.720 --> 01:00:35.120
 Yeah, if they provide a picture, a few pictures, that makes our life a little bit easier, because

01:00:35.120 --> 01:00:37.960
 then immediately we don't have to go to audit.

01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:42.400
 We can assess and say how critical would that be and schedule it accordingly.

01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:50.680
 Okay, so we'll ask our community to not only dial 311 to get your issue in, but if you

01:00:50.680 --> 01:00:57.720
 can take a picture of it on that 311, you can attach that picture to the thing.

01:00:57.720 --> 01:01:01.720
 So we just want everybody to know that while we're educating people on that.

01:01:01.720 --> 01:01:07.480
 Are there any other questions or any other comments or concerns before we complete this

01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:08.480
 part?

01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:09.480
 All right.

01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:10.480
 Thank you very much.

01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:11.480
 Thank you so much.

01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:12.480
 We always appreciate you.

01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:13.480
 Always.

01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:23.280
 Okay, we're going to D, MC25-059, staff memorandum, Growing the Bike Bus Program follow up.

01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:27.600
 Oh, and by the way, we do have someone new in our presence.

01:01:27.600 --> 01:01:33.480
 When are we going to introduce this person?

01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:34.960
 We can do it during concluding items.

01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:36.880
 Oh, we can do it during concluding items.

01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:37.880
 Okay.

01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:39.360
 We'll sit still for a little while longer.

01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:40.360
 All right.

01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:41.360
 All right.

01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:43.640
 Thank you, Dr. Seth Garcia, Director of Capital Projects.

01:01:43.640 --> 01:01:46.440
 So just want to run through the staff memo real quick.

01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:51.800
 So Growing that Bike Bus Program, excuse me.

01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:54.320
 So staff reached out to a couple elementary schools.

01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:57.320
 They did hear back from Rivera Elementary.

01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:00.480
 Looks like they'll be discussing with them this week.

01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:06.160
 And then we'll be bringing back an update in the December committee meeting.

01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:07.600
 The quarterly construction report.

01:02:07.600 --> 01:02:11.080
 So I'm not going to read through all of these, but do want to give you a couple big highlights.

01:02:11.080 --> 01:02:16.600
 So, Bonnie Bray 3, we've had the railroad, Kansas City Southern out there, or Canadian

01:02:16.600 --> 01:02:22.680
 Pacific, Kansas City Southern, out there working at the rail crossing.

01:02:22.680 --> 01:02:26.880
 We are pouring some of the last paving for the northbound lanes.

01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:30.760
 So within the next probably six weeks or so, you're going to see traffic shift onto the

01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:36.520
 new northbound lanes, and we'll start demoing out and working on the southbound side.

01:02:36.520 --> 01:02:43.540
 So making a lot of progress there, still anticipating to be complete Q4 of 26.

01:02:43.540 --> 01:02:46.080
 Next one I wanted to highlight is Bonnie Bray 6.

01:02:46.080 --> 01:02:50.140
 So we have made a ton of progress on the drainage stuff there.

01:02:50.140 --> 01:02:54.840
 You'll see more paving happening first of the year timeframe.

01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:59.060
 Again, our schedule has slipped a tiny bit.

01:02:59.060 --> 01:03:01.360
 It says Q1 2027 here.

01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:05.260
 We're like into that first week of April right now with the actual schedule.

01:03:05.260 --> 01:03:10.360
 So it technically is falling into Q2, but we're still hopeful to be done Q1.

01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:14.000
 We're going to do some things to try and accelerate that schedule with the contractor, open up

01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:17.840
 a few more areas to get them completed.

01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.640
 Riney Road East, we have bid that project.

01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:24.860
 It should be coming to city council for award here in December.

01:03:24.860 --> 01:03:30.340
 So that is one that we will look to begin construction Q1 of 26.

01:03:30.340 --> 01:03:33.840
 And then the other one I wanted to highlight is McKinney sidewalks.

01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:38.000
 So we took forward to council last night an eminent domain from one parcel.

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.640
 This project is currently advertising.

01:03:40.640 --> 01:03:44.120
 So we open bids for this project in mid December.

01:03:44.120 --> 01:03:49.080
 We're not anticipating hopefully anything to come from that TCE and right away that

01:03:49.080 --> 01:03:50.680
 went last night.

01:03:50.680 --> 01:03:53.600
 So we'll be ready to start that project Q1 of 26.

01:03:53.600 --> 01:03:57.040
 Talk a little bit about Riney Road.

01:03:57.040 --> 01:03:58.040
 Riney Road.

01:03:58.040 --> 01:04:00.280
 So we're actively working on the right away acquisition.

01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:04.460
 We took the ED item last night as well that was approved.

01:04:04.460 --> 01:04:09.320
 So working through the design process, again, this is going to be a three lane section,

01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:12.020
 but we are acquiring the full right of way.

01:04:12.020 --> 01:04:16.120
 We're designing all the drainage and a lot of the sidewalk infrastructure to be put into

01:04:16.120 --> 01:04:19.000
 the permanent ultimate configurations place.

01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.960
 So once we come back, if it is widened to a four lane divided, we're not going to have

01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:24.640
 to redo a bunch of that work.

01:04:24.640 --> 01:04:29.760
 But right now it will be a three lane section until it warrants for more of the traffic

01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:31.480
 capacity.

01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:35.040
 We have seen the cost estimate grow over time.

01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:38.480
 So we're working with the budget department to include that in the future year CIP.

01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:43.120
 I think right now our current estimated cost of construction is around $23 million.

01:04:43.120 --> 01:04:44.120
 Okay.

01:04:44.120 --> 01:04:45.920
 You had a question?

01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:46.920
 Yes.

01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:48.960
 Thank you, Madam Chair.

01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:57.720
 The 5B neighborhood and things like Riney Road where there's limited access, how are

01:04:57.720 --> 01:05:03.920
 we, and I'm going to evocatively call this the sunset effect, the sunset road effect.

01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:09.600
 For these constricted access points, Riney's one, some of the neighborhoods where we blocked

01:05:09.600 --> 01:05:14.640
 all the access points simultaneously to bundle a project together.

01:05:14.640 --> 01:05:20.200
 That's created real pain points across our community, both commercial like Sunset and

01:05:20.200 --> 01:05:23.080
 other places like where it's their schools.

01:05:23.080 --> 01:05:28.620
 What are we doing to address some of these places that have real pinched down traffic

01:05:28.620 --> 01:05:34.000
 flows and don't have a lot of options as we go forward on Riney and maybe 5B to keep us

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:39.280
 on topic and then maybe to the extent that legal lets you get away with it generally.

01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:40.280
 Yeah.

01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:45.480
 So to be honest, during the planning and design phase, it's a lot of community outreach.

01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:49.000
 If that means our project management staff going door to door to get the input from the

01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.400
 people, we don't see high attendance in a lot of our community meetings.

01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:56.320
 We send out multiple rounds of flyers.

01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.000
 We don't get a lot of response.

01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:02.420
 One thing that we're looking at is, again, doing boots on the ground, going out and talking

01:06:02.420 --> 01:06:05.800
 to people, allowing that local traffic.

01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:07.360
 Everything comes with a trade off.

01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:14.760
 So if we look to allow more access and build roads in half, you extend the timeline for

01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:16.600
 twice the duration.

01:06:16.600 --> 01:06:18.800
 So again, those are the kinds of things that we're trying to balance.

01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:23.640
 If you want to get more impact in commercial areas, that may make sense to be able to allow

01:06:23.640 --> 01:06:26.720
 more local traffic to get to the businesses.

01:06:26.720 --> 01:06:32.960
 Again, the adverse impact is we extend construction duration for that time to be able to do that.

01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:37.160
 So that's one plan during planning and design.

01:06:37.160 --> 01:06:41.840
 During construction, it's going to be continued neighborhood and business outreach.

01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:46.240
 We're going to do a better job about staying in contact with the business owners, listening

01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:50.520
 and hearing kind of those pain points that they're experiencing and work to mitigate

01:06:50.520 --> 01:06:55.600
 those things proactively and hopefully not reactively during the construction process.

01:06:55.600 --> 01:07:00.800
 I think that's probably my biggest takeaway from Sunset is just making ourselves available

01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:06.720
 to hear those concerns and be able to react quickly to help alleviate some of them while

01:07:06.720 --> 01:07:09.040
 also giving a lot of information upfront.

01:07:09.040 --> 01:07:10.760
 No, I appreciate that.

01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:16.800
 And I appreciate you keeping that, Ryan, any other pinch points top of mind.

01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:23.400
 I think it goes a long way to bringing our citizenry along with us as we go through a

01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:24.400
 difficult time.

01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:27.400
 Yeah, absolutely.

01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:33.040
 And one of the things that I like to add to this, I just feel very compelled and it kind

01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:38.880
 of goes along with something that I noted last night at the end of our meeting in regards

01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:45.860
 to people feeling like that they're not getting the information and noting to our community

01:07:45.860 --> 01:07:51.240
 that the information is there, sometimes you have to go and look for it first.

01:07:51.240 --> 01:07:55.480
 But the other thing is, is we have to give ourselves some grace because we have so many

01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:57.080
 new people here.

01:07:57.080 --> 01:08:01.400
 They're moving in daily and they're trying to get acclimated.

01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:07.240
 They're not really trying to feel, you know, what's happening in the trenches of didn't.

01:08:07.240 --> 01:08:16.360
 So I don't want our employees nor city council members or anybody else that's out there and

01:08:16.360 --> 01:08:21.020
 talking to us is making these decisions to feel like we're doing just such a terrible

01:08:21.020 --> 01:08:27.080
 job because we do know that new people are coming in, new businesses are coming in.

01:08:27.080 --> 01:08:30.640
 People want things quickly.

01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.560
 That's for the best for them.

01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:40.280
 But I just want our community to know that we are trying very hard to be communicative.

01:08:40.280 --> 01:08:47.880
 I heard the gentleman speak about Sunset and there was much access, you know, it wasn't

01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:50.520
 like total non-access.

01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.860
 People do what they want to do and go where they want to go and how they want to do it.

01:08:54.860 --> 01:08:56.640
 So I just wanted to put that on you.

01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:01.480
 I know you have a very tough job and I can appreciate everything that you're doing.

01:09:01.480 --> 01:09:05.640
 And everybody, CMO, everybody in here.

01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.960
 So just taking that and that's all I have to say about that.

01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:09.960
 Anybody else?

01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:10.960
 >> Please.

01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:11.960
 >> Okay.

01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:16.720
 >> First of all, I want to say a big, big thank you for the accommodation that your

01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:25.120
 department has made with Bonnie Bray and Willow Wood with Dat Coo Stadium.

01:09:25.120 --> 01:09:30.720
 That's a very sensitive thing with me and there's a whole lot, 25,000 other people are

01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:31.720
 concerned about that.

01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:38.240
 And with the construction on I-35, on the west side, you've got to have another way

01:09:38.240 --> 01:09:39.800
 to get there.

01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:48.480
 And good news, bad news, Black Friday, I think that's the 28th, there's another game.

01:09:48.480 --> 01:09:55.520
 And with any luck, there'll be a conference championship game that nobody anticipated.

01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:56.520
 So good on that.

01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.520
 And again, thank you for that.

01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:06.800
 >> Go over again, Ryan Road, do I understand it's going to be a three lane, two lanes and

01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:07.800
 a turn lane?

01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:08.800
 >> Yeah, that is correct.

01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:14.040
 So it's going to be one lane each direction and a turn lane to allow folks to enter into

01:10:14.040 --> 01:10:17.640
 a lot of the neighborhoods, areas there.

01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:21.280
 We are looking to design a lot of the sidewalk and the drainage portions.

01:10:21.280 --> 01:10:24.600
 There's several creek crossings that have large culverts.

01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:29.720
 We're going to go ahead and build those to what would accommodate the future full four

01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.280
 lane section coming through there.

01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:32.280
 >> That's what confused me.

01:10:32.280 --> 01:10:33.280
 >> Yeah.

01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:34.280
 >> Okay.

01:10:34.280 --> 01:10:37.280
 >> Yeah, so we're not going to build those in the small three lane section, we're going

01:10:37.280 --> 01:10:43.000
 to extend them out so when we come back and do the full four lane section divided, it'll

01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:46.440
 fit and we won't have to readjust all those box culverts.

01:10:46.440 --> 01:10:47.440
 We'll save a lot of money with that.

01:10:47.440 --> 01:10:50.720
 >> But there's no time anticipation for four lanes.

01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:51.720
 >> Correct.

01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:53.680
 Yeah, it'll be some time from now.

01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:54.680
 >> I got it.

01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:55.680
 I got it.

01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:56.680
 Thank you.

01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:57.680
 Thank you, Jeremy.

01:10:57.680 --> 01:10:58.680
 >> Thank you.

01:10:58.680 --> 01:10:59.680
 Anything else?

01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:01.480
 >> The quarterly construction and trip report?

01:11:01.480 --> 01:11:02.480
 >> Yes.

01:11:02.480 --> 01:11:07.440
 So again, this is the Gantt chart that kind of goes with the quarterly update there.

01:11:07.440 --> 01:11:09.480
 So we'll update this every quarter.

01:11:09.480 --> 01:11:12.960
 I can answer any questions if you have any on the schedule.

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:13.960
 >> Okay.

01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:17.780
 >> For some of these, and it's probably just my ignorance because I don't know the standard,

01:11:17.780 --> 01:11:24.640
 but I notice a lot of, especially on our sidewalk projects, which thank you for getting a lot

01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:25.640
 of these off the ground.

01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:30.440
 We really appreciate that, especially along some of our major pathways.

01:11:30.440 --> 01:11:33.640
 One of the comments I've gotten from the community that maybe you could provide some color to

01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:39.720
 is the lighting component, because often we think about five foot or 10 foot wide sidewalks.

01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:42.460
 We're thinking about the concrete and bike pad.

01:11:42.460 --> 01:11:50.100
 But some of that is the lighting, enough lighting for the people using the facility, but also

01:11:50.100 --> 01:11:54.320
 not so much lighting that if it's in a neighborhood that they yell about that too.

01:11:54.320 --> 01:11:55.320
 >> Right.

01:11:55.320 --> 01:11:59.720
 So is that a little color for how that's incorporated into our ongoing design?

01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:00.720
 >> Yeah, absolutely.

01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:05.440
 So I know specifically with a lot of the major arterial work that we're doing and neighborhood

01:12:05.440 --> 01:12:12.000
 reconstructions, we work with DME to do photometric studies on a lot of these areas.

01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:16.480
 On the major arterials, a lot of that scope will actually include with the project.

01:12:16.480 --> 01:12:20.720
 So it's coming through and they'll look at lighting the roadway and then kind of the sidewalks

01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:24.980
 adjacent get the lighting benefit from the roadway.

01:12:24.980 --> 01:12:29.760
 On the neighborhood program, specifically 2019 bond program, we provided those photometric

01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:32.640
 studies and design analysis to DME.

01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:37.440
 And then DME will go in after the projects and install street lighting either on existing

01:12:37.440 --> 01:12:40.800
 poles or have to tag in a few poles.

01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:45.800
 With the bond project, we're putting in pull boxes, conduits, anything that's needed for

01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:50.560
 them to come in after we're done and basically hang the luminaires.

01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:52.320
 And so that's kind of the second part.

01:12:52.320 --> 01:12:55.480
 We pass it to DME and then they put it in their CIP.

01:12:55.480 --> 01:13:01.320
 >> That's really comforting to hear that we're providing the potential for future infrastructure

01:13:01.320 --> 01:13:02.320
 much more easily.

01:13:02.320 --> 01:13:06.560
 I think that will satisfy a lot of the questions that I've gotten from the community is like,

01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:11.200
 we're just seeing sidewalks and it's going to be dark and scary, and so I appreciate

01:13:11.200 --> 01:13:12.200
 that clarity.

01:13:12.200 --> 01:13:14.200
 >> Yeah, absolutely.

01:13:14.200 --> 01:13:20.320
 >> Are there different types of lighting that the city offers for pedestrian lighting that

01:13:20.320 --> 01:13:24.320
 if it's just like we don't need to light the entire road, but we want to light a spot for

01:13:24.320 --> 01:13:25.880
 people who are walking?

01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.440
 >> I'm not aware of any standards that we have specific for pedestrian lighting.

01:13:29.440 --> 01:13:34.560
 Generally, it's the roadway lighting that is designed to accommodate the side paths

01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:36.120
 near it.

01:13:36.120 --> 01:13:42.640
 >> I have a question about the exhibit three that shows the status report that shows all

01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:43.640
 the totals.

01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:44.640
 Do you have that one?

01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:45.640
 >> This one?

01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:46.640
 >> Yes.

01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:47.640
 >> Okay.

01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:48.640
 This is for the DCTA trip report.

01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:50.520
 >> Oh, sorry, I've moved on to the wrong thing.

01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:51.520
 >> No, you're good.

01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:52.520
 >> Sorry.

01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:56.040
 >> If there's no questions, we can move on to quarterly construction and trip report

01:13:56.040 --> 01:13:57.640
 so we can move on.

01:13:57.640 --> 01:13:59.120
 Any other quarterly construction questions?

01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:00.120
 All right.

01:14:00.120 --> 01:14:03.080
 Let's move on to the trip report real quick.

01:14:03.080 --> 01:14:04.080
 >> Okay.

01:14:04.080 --> 01:14:05.080
 >> Do you have anything to share on this one first?

01:14:05.080 --> 01:14:06.080
 >> I do not.

01:14:06.080 --> 01:14:07.080
 >> Okay.

01:14:07.080 --> 01:14:11.920
 >> So this is our quarterly trip report that goes through the last, since 2021, our trip

01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:12.920
 projects.

01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:13.920
 >> Cool.

01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.880
 >> So we're working on these in partnership with the transportation group.

01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:20.760
 So the only thing I noticed, and I don't know, I don't know if I've seen one of these before

01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:27.440
 and I can't remember if I have what the status is, but when I looked through these, I noted

01:14:27.440 --> 01:14:36.600
 that D4 from 2021, the Jennings project, and then D15, the downtown, those projects say

01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:44.200
 that they're complete and there are, there is a remaining trip balance of about, my quick

01:14:44.200 --> 01:14:47.920
 calculation is about $700,000.

01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:53.160
 I don't know if any of those are, looks like on D4 maybe there's a remaining payment.

01:14:53.160 --> 01:14:59.400
 I'm curious what happens to that trip money and if that's something that we roll into

01:14:59.400 --> 01:15:04.520
 other projects or if it's available, if there's a new thing that comes up, we're like, hey,

01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:08.000
 we've got $700,000 allocated that is remaining.

01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:09.000
 >> Yes.

01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:10.200
 So it stays with the trip program.

01:15:10.200 --> 01:15:14.360
 So essentially it goes back into the pot of money with our next year's trip allocation

01:15:14.360 --> 01:15:18.480
 and then we would submit new applications for new projects to reallocate that money

01:15:18.480 --> 01:15:19.560
 elsewhere.

01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:25.240
 So I think on the all-way crossing, we just had a trip proposal in 2025 that went to move

01:15:25.240 --> 01:15:28.320
 that towards the Sycamore side path project, I believe.

01:15:28.320 --> 01:15:34.240
 So that $400,000 or almost $500,000, I believe, is moving over to that, but that's the standard

01:15:34.240 --> 01:15:35.240
 process.

01:15:35.240 --> 01:15:36.240
 >> Okay.

01:15:36.240 --> 01:15:37.240
 Cool.

01:15:37.240 --> 01:15:38.240
 That's great.

01:15:38.240 --> 01:15:39.240
 I like seeing this.

01:15:39.240 --> 01:15:40.240
 >> Thank you.

01:15:40.240 --> 01:15:41.240
 >> Okay.

01:15:41.240 --> 01:15:42.240
 He has a question.

01:15:42.240 --> 01:15:43.240
 >> Yeah.

01:15:43.240 --> 01:15:44.240
 >> And he said he's been trying.

01:15:44.240 --> 01:15:45.920
 >> I've been trying to narrow it down.

01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:46.920
 I've been trying.

01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:47.920
 >> Really trying to narrow it down.

01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:50.920
 >> It's so hard.

01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:59.760
 The question I had is I noticed that we have crossing and hawk-related projects in some

01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:07.320
 of our trip funds and we had a hawk crossing that we reallocated, did we use that one that

01:16:07.320 --> 01:16:15.360
 was there -- I guess it was at North Lakes for anything?

01:16:15.360 --> 01:16:18.440
 How did we recycle that, if you will?

01:16:18.440 --> 01:16:21.960
 >> Good morning, Chandra.

01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:27.120
 So the location we had the crossing at North Lakes, since the intersection we converted

01:16:27.120 --> 01:16:32.460
 into an all-way stop, all vehicles from all movements has to come to a stop.

01:16:32.460 --> 01:16:34.740
 So we don't need that at that location.

01:16:34.740 --> 01:16:39.060
 So we moved further east side at fireside at Windsor.

01:16:39.060 --> 01:16:45.240
 So we relocated that device that used to be there when there was no control before.

01:16:45.240 --> 01:16:48.240
 >> And I don't want to hijack, because it's kind of a separate item, I want to keep the

01:16:48.240 --> 01:16:49.240
 trip.

01:16:49.240 --> 01:16:51.800
 Was that -- there was no trip funds involved?

01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:52.800
 >> No.

01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:53.800
 It's all in-house.

01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:54.800
 >> We just -- we did that internally.

01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:55.800
 >> Yes.

01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:56.800
 >> And moved on.

01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:57.800
 Okay.

01:16:57.800 --> 01:16:58.800
 Thank you for the clarity.

01:16:58.800 --> 01:16:59.800
 >> Sure.

01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:00.800
 Welcome.

01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.920
 >> All right.

01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:04.720
 Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:05.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:06.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:07.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:08.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:09.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:10.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:11.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:12.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:13.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:14.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:15.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:16.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:17.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:18.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:19.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:20.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:21.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:22.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:23.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:24.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:25.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:26.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:27.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:36.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:37.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:38.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:39.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:40.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:41.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:42.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:43.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:44.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:45.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:46.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:47.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:48.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:49.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:50.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:51.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:52.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:53.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:54.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:55.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:56.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:57.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:58.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:17:58.720 --> 01:17:59.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:00.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:01.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:02.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:03.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:04.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:05.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:06.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:07.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:07.720 --> 01:18:08.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:09.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:10.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:11.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:12.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:13.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:14.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:15.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:16.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:17.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:18.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:19.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:28.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:29.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:30.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:31.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:32.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:33.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:34.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:35.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:36.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:37.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:38.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:39.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:40.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:41.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:42.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:43.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:44.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:45.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:46.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:47.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:48.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:49.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:50.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:51.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:52.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:53.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:54.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:55.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:56.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:57.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:57.720 --> 01:18:58.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:18:58.720 --> 01:18:59.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:00.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:01.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:02.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:03.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:04.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:05.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:06.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:07.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:08.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:09.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:10.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:11.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:21.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:22.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:23.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:24.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:25.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:26.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:27.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:28.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:29.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:30.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:31.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:32.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:33.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:34.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:35.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:36.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:37.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:38.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:39.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:40.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:41.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:42.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:43.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:44.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:45.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:46.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:47.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:48.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:49.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:50.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:51.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:52.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:53.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:54.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:55.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:56.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:57.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:57.720 --> 01:19:58.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:19:58.720 --> 01:19:59.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:00.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:01.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:02.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:03.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:21.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:22.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:23.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:24.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:25.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:26.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:27.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:28.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:29.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:30.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:31.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:32.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:33.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:34.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:35.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:36.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:37.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:38.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:39.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:40.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:41.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:42.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:43.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:44.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:45.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:46.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:47.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:48.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:49.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:50.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:51.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:52.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:53.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:54.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:55.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:20:55.720 --> 01:21:02.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:03.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:04.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:05.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:06.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:07.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:08.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:09.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:10.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:11.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:11.720 --> 01:21:12.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:13.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:14.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:15.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:16.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:17.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:18.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:19.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:20.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:21.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:22.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:23.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:24.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:25.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:26.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:27.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:28.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:29.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:30.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:31.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:32.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:33.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:34.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:35.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:36.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:37.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:38.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:39.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:40.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:41.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:42.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:43.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:44.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:45.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:46.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:47.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:54.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:55.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:56.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:57.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:57.720 --> 01:21:58.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:21:58.720 --> 01:21:59.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:00.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:01.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:02.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:03.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:04.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:05.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:06.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:07.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:08.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:09.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:10.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:11.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:12.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:13.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:14.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:15.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:16.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:17.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:18.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:19.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:20.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:21.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:22.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:23.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:24.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:25.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:26.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:27.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:28.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:29.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:30.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:31.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:32.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:33.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:34.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:35.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:36.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:37.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:38.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:39.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:46.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:47.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:48.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:49.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:50.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:51.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:52.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:53.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:54.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:55.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:56.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:57.720 --> 01:22:58.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:22:58.720 --> 01:22:59.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:00.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:01.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:02.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:03.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:04.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:05.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:06.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:07.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:07.720 --> 01:23:08.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:09.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:10.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:11.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:12.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:13.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:14.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:15.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:16.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:17.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:18.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:19.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:20.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:21.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:22.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:22.720 --> 01:23:23.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:24.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:25.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:26.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:27.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:28.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:29.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:30.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:31.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:40.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:41.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:42.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:43.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:44.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:45.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:46.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:47.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:48.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:49.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:50.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:51.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:52.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:53.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:54.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:55.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:56.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:57.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:57.720 --> 01:23:58.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:23:58.720 --> 01:23:59.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:00.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:01.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:02.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:03.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:04.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:05.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:06.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:07.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:08.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:09.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:10.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:11.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:12.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:13.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:14.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:15.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:16.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:17.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:18.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:19.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:20.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:21.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:22.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:23.720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:36.720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?