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 >> Good morning everyone, we are here with the City of Denton.

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 The Mobility Committee, Wednesday, November the 19th, 10 AM, in our council work session room.

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 We do have a quorum that is present this morning, so we'll convene promptly at 10 AM.

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 We have any citizens comments on the agenda items?

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 All right, there's no citizens comments, so we'll move down to items for individual consideration.

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 MC 25-054, consider approval of the minutes of September 24, 2025.

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 >> So moved.

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 >> Second.

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 >> All right, so moved and second, is there any discussion?

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 All right, there's no discussion, all in favor?

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 >> Aye. >> Did you have a discussion?

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 >> Aye. >> Okay, all right, all right, that's been approved.

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 For filing, BMC 25-055, receive a report and hold a discussion,

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 and approve the 2026 Mobility Committee meeting schedule.

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 Well, we have the schedule in front of us.

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 Is there gonna be anyone up there, or are we gonna, y'all take a look at those dates.

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 It looks like we are in the blue circle, and it's just our regular routine, Wednesday at 10 AM.

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 >> That appears to be the last Wednesday in each month.

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 >> It's pretty much the last Wednesday, except for November and December, like we've always normally done it.

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 >> In December.

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 >> Mm-hm, any other questions?

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 All right, so are we voting on this?

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 Yes, for approval, all right, so can we get a motion for approval for these dates?

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 All right, we got a motion to- >> Second.

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 >> Second, okay, that's good.

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 >> And these are always at 10 o'clock?

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 >> Yes, they're always at 10 o'clock.

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 >> Okay. >> Okay, good question, decision.

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 >> Question, Chair.

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 >> Do we know, and it's not the responsibility of this party, but

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 it is relevant because there are other bodies that we've been attending that are back to back.

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 Do we know if TURS 1 is moving around?

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 >> I'm not sure, but we can find out.

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 >> Yeah, well, we're going to that after we leave here, so-

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 >> No, it's canceled today.

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 >> I'm so glad you told me that, I'm moving in over there.

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 >> So if staff wouldn't mind doing that, I mean, I know we can always adjust this as an agenda item in a future meeting,

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 but we just want to make sure there's no conflict.

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 >> Sure, good.

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 Okay, well, it's been moved and seconded and discussed, and is there.

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 Can we get a motion for, not a motion.

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 >> A vote, in favor?

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 >> Aye. >> Aye.

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 >> All right, unanimous vote for filing, thank you.

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 Let's see, 25-056, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding Mobility Plan Part 2.1 to introduce and

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 share information on different elements of a mobility plan, thank you so much for bringing that to us.

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 >> Good morning, Chair, committee members, Farhan Butt, Deputy Director, Transportation Services Division.

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 We are here to present the Mobility Plan Boot Camp Part 2.1.

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 The previous Part 2 that I presented in the last Mobility Committee meeting

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 covered the goals of the Mobility Plan at large, and

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 there's another component of the same theme that covers the thoroughfare plan.

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 So that's why it's named Part 2.1.

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 And so today, I'm going to present the thoroughfare plan component of the theme.

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 These are just recap, first two slides will be recap where we'll cover the goals for

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 the comprehensive plan, which highlight there are four goals and

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 that cover safe and efficient mobility, and the second one covers enhanced mobility.

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 And then the third one is non-motorized mobility side of things, and

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 the last one takes care of public transport.

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 And so the comprehensive plan is focused on these four goals when it comes to transportation,

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 planning, and transportation infrastructure side of things.

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 And this is another recap slide so that we can recall what the mobility plan was about.

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 There were four themes in the mobility plan to begin with, prioritized safe travels.

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 We have extensively covered that in the part one.

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 And then part two, we covered the goals, and then thoroughfare plan will be covered today,

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 deliver an effective network for travel, and then third is facilitate alternative travel options.

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 And last one is, fourth is leverage innovation.

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 So these are the four themes that mobility plan revolves around, and all the goals and

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 objectives and policies that it derives, they are around these four themes.

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 When it comes to thoroughfare plan, it is extremely important for cities, for any city.

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 In particular in Denton, we could see it from this scape that I presented here of different

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 options that are at play.

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 and then there's mobility service choice side of things.

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 of city's day-to-day practice, and then there's a land utilization component.

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 And within these four options, we have to look at accessibility standards, we have to

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 look at travel behavior side of things, that what will happen if this development comes,

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 what it means to city's infrastructure, and what it means in terms of concurrency, that

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 do we have enough supply and demand is covered or not.

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 is that how many people will be attracted to this development, how many trips it will

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 be inducing, how we will balance demand and trip generation when it comes to this development.

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 pretty, most key factors are included here, including if in the center you would say that

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 trip making and attractiveness, they are there to play with.

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 development is asking for approvals for their application.

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 So see, they are linked to the thoroughfare plan, because in any trips that are happening

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 on the street network, they'll be delivered to major thoroughfares, or they'll be using

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 major thoroughfare to come to these destinations or going back from these origin points.

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 So if we consider in one sentence that what does it mean, all of this slide, information

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 in this slide, all it means is that have we covered our transportation network, have we

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 looked at our transportation network from traffic impact side of things, and are we

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 able to predict how these trips or demand will be connected to thoroughfare and how

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 it may impact?

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 So what changes would be required?

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 We will cover that later on, the staff will cover that later on in other slides.

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 land use cycle, it covers arterial improvements in general sense.

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 It will provide, it will look for increased accessibility, increased land value is considered

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 to a city, and we look at level of service analysis and see that if this development

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 comes up to its full potential, how the level of service in the neighborhood would change,

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 and then at large, at the thoroughfare, the major thoroughfare would change.

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 for quality of life of the residents.

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 In cities processes, it will be just, it will start, this whole process doesn't directly

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 we need traffic impact analysis or a simplistic analysis, then it goes to ZCP, where we say

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 adopts all the recommendations by the TIA.

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 of things and ask a question, difficult question, that what needs to happen on the road, on

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 the geometric design side of things, and other elements, traffic elements, for instance.

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 And last, replatting, or we could call it that plat improvements or replatting.

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 So that is done so that all the recommendations made in this process are included, and then

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 those improvements are required as part of the process.

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 and then at large, how it impacts the major arterials or primary arterials that it's connecting

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 update, and it establishes the long range framework for Denton's street network.

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 But it is a snapshot in time when it comes, thoroughfare plan is not, it is a document,

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 but what we do with the street network is snapshot in time as the developments come,

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 we staff respond to those impacts, and then mobility plan amendments are requested based

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 on the new developments or any changes that are required.

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 These are the alignment, this is the alignment matrix where that goes with the comprehensive

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 elements are connected to mobility plan, and then at large with thoroughfare plan.

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 One important one is, for example, multimodal coordination, which is goal three, element

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 thoroughfare, bicycle, pedestrian networks into one mobility system.

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 By default, since these are guiding documents, they have to be general, but then depending

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 They are not worked in silos.

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 also the horizon year from 2045 to 2050, and naturally, when we are going to, when staff

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 is going to update the comprehensive plan and mobility plan, we'll be shifting growth

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 projections from 2045 to 2050, and naturally, we'll be aligning ourselves with the regional

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 bodies to ensure that we are channelizing the predicted growth in a meaningful way.

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 are to 2040 and 2045, but now it will be changing to 2050 as we go towards updating the mobility

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 plan, active transportation plan, thoroughfare plan, and comprehensive plan next year.

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 into data mining exercise where we will ask for, ask difficult questions at what this

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 growth means to Denton, and then those will be addressed so that we can inform these planning

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 That exercise is already planned with the update process.

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 these are primary arterials, secondary arterials, collectors and major collectors, local streets,

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 and each classification defines design, speed, lane, and configuration and right of way.

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 plan amendment process, and that goes towards 110 feet of total right of way with slightly

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 So, these guidelines, they provide staff a clear instruction on how, which classification

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 system to take for a certain development, and we cannot deviate from these classifications.

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 case by case basis, but still we have to align with these classification systems for compliance

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 plan at large promotes complete streets concept, which is, which looks into, as previously

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 It talks about enhancing our network based on multimodal system, well integrated multimodal

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 What it essentially means is that we cover for all modes, including pedestrians, micromobility

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 options, including bicyclists, and the system has to be accommodating them.

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 is prime factor to be considered.

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 And then also use cases where it has to be context sensitive.

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 We cannot have, you know, 55 miles per hour arterial adjacent to elementary school and

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 asking kids crossing that road.

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 So I think that will be a very tough call.

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 If that happened anywhere, it's something that is, that should be avoided.

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 So I think these kind of considerations, for example, if there is a walking area near downtown,

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 we cannot have a high speed arterial running through that.

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 are context sensitive.

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 They are not done based on just volumes, traffic volumes.

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 It needs a lot of other considerations, safety, what kind of modes, pedestrian, other activity,

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 what kind of land uses are there.

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 So that is part of that.

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 So as I said earlier, the use, it is used by transportation engineering and planning

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 staff to review that and development proposals at length.

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 I have explained that right from the preliminary plan to all the way to last step, we have

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 to go through the process and see that and look for the traffic impacts and make adjustments

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 It also coordinates with TEXT.DCT, provide opportunity to coordinate with TEXT.DCT and

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 NCTCOG as we are using their demographic data projections and also using, connecting to

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 And it is updated periodically.

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 Next update is due 26 and we are planning to kick off late in 2026 update of mobility

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 plan and comprehensive, well comprehensive plan first and then mobility plan.

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 That was a lot of good information.

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 I always look forward to hearing from you and just gaining more knowledge in regards

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 to our mobility plan.

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 I have a lot of questions but I am going to go ahead and let my peers start first.

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 Did you have any questions you want to go first and we will just go this way.

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 Sure.

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 Thank you so much for the presentation.

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 This is exciting.

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 So you said that the new class roadway classification for major collector, that was just approved.

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 I guess I missed that part.

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 Was that in a-- Yes, major collector.

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 This is great.

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 I see this as something that could be helpful for, I am guessing kind of like outside maybe

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 residential areas.

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 Would this require, I am seeing in the diagram there I see bike lanes with bollards and then

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 also walking, walk paths.

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 Would this turn some of those, would it turn a collector, is this typically going to turn

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 a collector classification into a major collector or a secondary arterial into a major collector?

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 And how will we start to reclassify those roads?

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 It could go both ways, context sensitive of course.

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 One example is Windsor connector that we worked on and that's where we found that it initially

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 could have been secondary arterial but then due to multimodal activity, staff recommended

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 that we need a different classification system that is slightly higher in speed from collectors

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 but at the same time accommodating other modes.

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 But as I said, it could go in both directions depending on where the location is.

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 That's great.

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 I am hopeful that a lot of our collectors or secondary arterials could be classified

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 as the major collector.

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 I think that this seems to better integrate our goals for having the multimodal since

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 we have so many more cyclists, people on e-bikes, having those protected lanes I think is going

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 to be extremely vital for the next few years in Denton as we grow.

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 I'm just seeing that this ties into the previous presentations that you've given where we're

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 looking at the trends, correct, like we're looking at where mobility is headed and this

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 is a great way I think to respond to that.

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 So I'm really excited.

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 Do you have any other examples besides Windsor or what would be like the timeline as far

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 as getting those reclassifications?

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 What is the process for identifying a collector or secondary arterial and then getting that

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 reclassified and then what happens after that?

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 Do we then go and get potential funding to reconstruct it so that it actually now matches

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 the standard that we've got here?

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 So I think maybe I did not do a good job of explaining.

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 Secondary and primary arterial are key streets or highways or part of the road network because

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 imagine a residential development starts with residential street.

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 Then it provides that flow to a collector or a major collector that take it to the next

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 joint where it can deliver the traffic.

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 And then from there secondary or primary arterial will pick up the traffic and take them to

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 freeway and to take them to Dallas or Denton, wherever if it's coming from Argyle, for example.

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 So each classification is serving a key role.

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 So imagine if we take people from residential and put them in collector all the way to I-35.

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 Their experience of travel during the morning peak would be level of service F because of

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 the amount of traffic volume, high traffic volumes.

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 So staff is not trying to convert every secondary arterial or primary arterial to major collector.

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 That's not the intent.

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 Because each one has a role, we would context-based if there's an opportunity, we would look at

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 that case by case basis.

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 Okay.

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 That's great.

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 Thank you.

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 All right.

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 Thank you, Madam Chair.

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 So just for context, the Windsor thing is actually the new piece that would be the connective

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 to 288 for folks online that want to look at that.

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 It doesn't exist yet, he's planning it.

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 And that may be why it's unfamiliar to some.

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 First I want to start off with, I cannot be more thankful that someone with an academic

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 and analytical approach to this is analyzing the streets for Denton.

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 And I think we're really lucky to have you, Dr. Butt, because -- and I'm not just blowing

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 smoke at you.

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 I think it's really critically important to take these higher order analyses and I'm going

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 to get slightly wonkish -- oh, when do I not?

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 Because a lot of the decisions that we're making that I'm so grateful you know how to

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 do are these sort of network topology analyses, you know, is it hierarchical, is it mesh,

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 is it bus, is it flat?

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 And because they have an impact on all these different decisions that we have to make.

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 And so forgive me if a lot of my questions today revolve around network topologies.

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 And I'll leap off her question that -- sorry, I should say Commissioner Penn's question

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 about the different sort of visions -- how do we mesh, you know, this decision tree?

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 You were just talking about, well, we don't want -- we have a hierarchical network and

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 we don't want it to be, you know, the different roles except sometimes you do.

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 And there's arguments in design when we're trying to design flow, walkability, we're

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 trying to mesh transit with others.

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 So can you provide a little education and color from your training to let us understand

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 better how, you know, having like a mesh network in a neighborhood would have like, you know,

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 four or five different smaller roads, but the fact that there was four or five of them

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 would provide the flow, the transport, the connectivity, the path design, as opposed

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 to having just a few little residentials and then immediately branch out into a tree, which

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 crams everybody down into those few networks, and those are sort of a philosophical difference

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 between those.

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 And how does that impact how we design this town, where we put buildings, where we put

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 schools?

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 Because it does go to putting a school next to a major road by accident, and it does go

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 to how do we get rid of the stuff in the past that was done, you know, because we had the

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 money to do it versus a smart way that you would design.

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 And I know that was a lot, but it's a big question of philosophy behind how we design

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 this town.

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 Can you add a little color to that?

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 Yes.

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 So, you know, it ties to excess management, and I'll be very brief and maybe we'll circle

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 back with more information, but a significant part of planning transportation infrastructure

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 network is tied to excess management.

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 When transportation planner and land use planners see that there's an elementary school part

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 of or schools are part of the development, then the next question that should be on the

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 table is that where are the access points for these?

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 If somebody's providing direct access point to the school, that's a no-no.

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 I think it has to be looked at and appropriate, suitable access points should be provided

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 so that it's safe and it's not also hindering the traffic.

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 Another aspect which is often overlooked is that we staff, planning staff, and transportation

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 planning staff is not looking at existing.

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 When we are making planning decisions, we have the information that tells us that, oh,

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 the population is doubling by 2050, and we must do something about it.

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 And the demographics in terms of employment categories, retail, commercial, or industrial,

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 or office space, will be more than doubled within 25 years.

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 So now our decisions would be hinged on that, that, okay, this is a major thoroughfare.

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 What needs to happen?

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 At least we need to have right-of-way dedication so that when the time comes, we are not paying

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 fortune to buy the right-of-way and then making those decisions.

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 So that is the third element.

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 And last is that the hierarchical structure is important because residential streets typically

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 deliver the different developments, would deliver to collector or major collector, and

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 then they will be, they will, in rare cases, they could go to the freeway access points,

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 but they are linked to primary arterial or secondary arterial, which are collecting at

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 large from the region and which are then connected to the freeway system.

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 If we don't follow that approach, then the whole system, the whole infrastructure system

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 that we are developing will collapse because what happens is that major collector cannot

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 take a lot of traffic volume from multiple sources, multiple regions.

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 And it has to be taking from a few, and then secondary collector or secondary arterial

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 or primary should come into picture.

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 So I think that's the minimum, that's a brief answer.

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 If there are more concerns, staff can get back in the next meeting and provide some

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 summary or some blurb.

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 No, I appreciate that, and I don't want to, I don't want to drown us in wonkishness.

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 So I'll get with you, but I will follow up and maybe answer just briefly because I think

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 it's germane to a lot of what we do in here, and that is these different topologies really

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 impact safety, and so we have this demand of development volume going into the future,

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 and that has, like it should be super hierarchical, because we're trying to flow people in and

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 out of these different neighborhoods, but safety says make it flatter, smaller, and

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 have more options.

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 And so those two are fighting each other.

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 So both in our future discussion and maybe very, very briefly here, and then I'll shut

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 up, Chair, is can you talk about how Vision Zero impacts these design issues because councils

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 prioritize that as one of our key city goals above some of our other goals, and that's

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 going to change how we do our thoroughfare plan design.

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 So keep three corridors, 407, Dobson, and Vintage.

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 How the demographics have changed there and how we have to now make changes, improvements

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 to accommodate the growth and talk about departmental grocery stores and the growth that has happened

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 there.

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 That's one example where city staff has to relook and say, "No, it's not going to be

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 collected anymore.

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 We have to look at other systems."

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 And I'm not providing any details for that.

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 We can discuss it at large.

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 When it comes to Vision Zero, for instance, we have identified 11 high-injury network

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 corridors through our Vision Zero phase two process, and those are the key corridors.

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 And I have talked to transportation staff already where I have asked that, "Look, we

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 have these 11 corridors.

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 We don't have to wait until 2035.

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 Our staff is going at each prioritized corridor, 11 of them, and staff will recommend improvements

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 as we follow the work plan for Vision Zero."

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 And so the idea is that we address those, we mitigate those prioritized items, 11 high-injury

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 network corridors, and fix them one by one on priority.

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 Once we fix them, that means that some more additional corridors may appear over time

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 in five years, but we will address all those 11 of them in timely fashion.

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 And if we address those and make sure that all other new interventions or developments

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 have safety component of it, a major safety component, we should be able to address our

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 safety issues within the timeline of 2035.

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 I have no doubt about that.

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 But if we delay this process of addressing the 11 corridors from not as part of our priority,

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 then as part of the Vision Zero process, we have matched our timelines to achieve Vision

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 Zero with TxDOT and NCDCOG.

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 So we are in alignment with our regional partners, and it is extremely important for transportation

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 staff that we deliver these before the timeline, 2035 that is.

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 No, I appreciate that, we'll wonk off, be wonkish, yeah, we'll do that later.

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 But I appreciate the thing, and I'll just give one last moment of praise, and that is

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 I don't see a lot of necessarily your fellow engineers, this is going to sound so mean

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 to the regional people, but always taking that approach, they are often very reactive,

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 so I'm very, very excited that you're proactive on some of these issues.

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 So thank you.

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 Yeah, that means a lot coming from you, it means quite a bit.

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 I had a couple of questions, and as we were going through and you were answering some

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 things, okay, so I'm thinking about a, I mean, we can use the heel wood properties over as

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 an example, we know we're getting ready for a Craver Ranch people, keeping that in mind,

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 one of the things that they were talking about was we have three schools, we're going to

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 be putting in three schools, for them to make an announcement like that, would the road

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 system will have already been kind of set up for, let's say a developer that's coming

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 in and they know that they're going to have three schools, will you all have already met

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 with them in regards to the type of roadway that would be necessary around those areas,

453
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:16,000
 we know that school is a big deal for us in traveling to schools, we have our consumer

454
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:23,120
 here, when does the conversation like that come into play?

455
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:31,260
 So there's a very effective development review process, very rigorous, that each development

456
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:37,800
 application goes through, and as part of that process it is looked at, yes, and not only

457
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:45,680
 the schools, but there are other uses, environmental, many other aspects are considered, and typically

458
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:51,040
 city staff, ranging from different departments, they do a good job and they looked at all

459
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,040
 these options.

460
00:38:52,040 --> 00:39:00,180
 Okay, and then you said something about attractiveness and land use, my real basic kindergarten level

461
00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:09,880
 question is that when we have those medians, I've often wondered how is it determined what

462
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,440
 a median looks like, sometimes they have a lot of trees, sometimes there's no trees,

463
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,440
 sometimes they're very narrow, you know, how, and I'm thinking about the attractiveness

464
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,360
 part, because sometimes you have a corridor, you got trees, you know, and you have Texas

465
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,800
 plants, how does something like that come about?

466
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:33,440
 You know, the development application, the developer typically decides on what kind of

467
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:42,400
 landscape they have to provide on these external options, typically city leaves it onto their

468
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,280
 application, there's a minimum standard that we have to maintain, but when it comes to

469
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:53,800
 landscaping and elevated landscaping, it's developer's choice.

470
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,200
 And does that come with a certain type of roadway?

471
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,540
 Is it always like an arterial type roadway where you see these things?

472
00:40:01,540 --> 00:40:07,280
 Depends on who owns it, textile, maintained by textile, maintained by city and county,

473
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,680
 all of those factors go into this.

474
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:19,040
 And then you say something about the community's character, how much does a community, how

475
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:25,760
 much weight does a community opinions come in into a roadway, is there an opinion factor

476
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,840
 from the community or is it always just a standard?

477
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,200
 I know you say you can't mediate from a lot of things, I heard that.

478
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:39,840
 We have to play carefully as staff, we have weightage of data-driven decisions, but at

479
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:47,400
 the same time, community's needs and their choices are important, but in many cases,

480
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:53,600
 for example, there's a safety issue and we have to make an intervention to address that

481
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,720
 safety, to mitigate that safety issue.

482
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:02,120
 In that case, data would prevail and data-driven decision would be made, even though if we

483
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,480
 are getting some comments from community that we don't want it, but if it is from safety

484
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,840
 standpoint it is needed, we have to do it.

485
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:17,320
 And in other cases, community, we have a community engagement piece in every major study, major

486
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,240
 development, and that is part of every study that we do.

487
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:28,520
 And so it's by default there, their choices are there.

488
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:37,960
 For residents, I know recently, very close to me, mile per hour signs were put in a resident

489
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:44,440
 area, and the mile per hour signs were at 30, and of course the residents who are sitting

490
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:51,720
 on their ports sees a car driving 30 miles per hour in a residential space, it looks

491
00:41:51,720 --> 00:42:04,400
 very, very fast, but I noticed that can a community help dictate the flow of the traffic,

492
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:10,720
 the mile per hour, can a community come back and say, "We don't want 30 miles per hour,

493
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:15,200
 we want 25, we want 20 miles per hour."

494
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560
 How difficult would something like that be to change?

495
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:28,920
 That idea is open generally, but with big condition, it's a state mandate, and so state

496
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,920
 mandates that 30 miles per hour is the residential speed in Texas, posted speed.

497
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,360
 But in certain cases, for example, school zone, we could do 20 miles per hour.

498
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:45,140
 And if there is a fatality, serious injury, and there is a hotspot for that where frequent

499
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:50,800
 accidents are happening, we can build a case and make an application to state, but state

500
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,040
 would look at it rigorously, and they'll ask for a reason.

501
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,260
 So I think we'll have to make the case, but generally, it is not a good idea that we go

502
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:10,120
 for every residential street and asking for 25 or 20, imagine they'll be a compliance

503
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,120
 issue.

504
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,240
 What that will happen is that we'll start getting compliance complaints from citizens

505
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,440
 that we are getting too many citations from police.

506
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,440
 Oh, okay.

507
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,640
 So that's another side of the equation.

508
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,640
 But I'm also...

509
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:28,440
 But a prevalent issue is that staff is seeing more and more, and we are trying to strategize

510
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:35,840
 it somehow, is driving behavior issue among the community members, and they are not following

511
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:42,840
 the signages, they are not following the stop signs, and they are speeding at night times,

512
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,620
 usually when there is no traffic.

513
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:49,880
 And all of those issues we cannot solve by putting more signages or more stop signs.

514
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:58,020
 We are looking into some kind of program where we start driver behavior engagement session

515
00:43:58,020 --> 00:44:03,320
 with the community members, which are mostly impacted by these issues, and may collaborate

516
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,680
 with the council members on that.

517
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:13,440
 So I'm recognizing that the streets in residential neighborhoods, they appear to be getting more

518
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,500
 narrow and narrow as we go along.

519
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:17,500
 That's good.

520
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:22,600
 I know that's a good thing, because there's cars on either side.

521
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:29,680
 So that's very important, but still having that 30 mile per hour sign in that area, there's

522
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,000
 going to be somebody out there that's...

523
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,440
 In any case, everybody doesn't follow the rules, I understand that.

524
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,440
 Thank you for that.

525
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,440
 Let me see, what else?

526
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:52,420
 Go to screen nine, page nine right there, I had nine there.

527
00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:56,800
 The core functions of a therapy, I need to remember my question, because I was thinking

528
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:08,400
 as I was reading this the right away, when you all are designing the road and you are

529
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,120
 moving it from a...

530
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:15,240
 Go to the other one that has all the different...

531
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:31,440
 When you're moving it from a secondary arterial to a major collector, will the community have

532
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,200
 some say in that strategy there?

533
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,200
 Yes.

534
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:44,080
 During the Windsor process, for example, we had three community meetings, at least three,

535
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,520
 I remember, yes, and then so the community process was integral part of it, and it always

536
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:56,600
 is, regardless of what studies we do, we make community engagement as a component of that

537
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,600
 large study.

538
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,520
 We can't talk about small ones, even small ones we are required to inform community about

539
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,520
 those.

540
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,200
 Okay, thank you very much, those are all the questions I had, appreciate it.

541
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,200
 Thank you.

542
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:17,280
 I'm kind of picking up stuff here, the end of the caboose, so to speak, almost.

543
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,480
 You did not just call our fellow commissioner the caboose.

544
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,240
 No, almost, I think I did.

545
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:39,800
 Page 12, I'm thinking Carroll Boulevard, and is...okay, I noticed that none of the trees

546
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,160
 are in the median on any of these examples, and you say that that's the developer's, the

547
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,000
 designer's prerogative.

548
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,560
 Is a tree a safety factor one way or another in the median?

549
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:55,560
 It could be.

550
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:02,360
 If it is hindering line of sight, and especially in terms of turning, it could be, and that

551
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:08,640
 is taken into consideration during the design, and so for instance, when I said developer's

552
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,080
 prerogative, that is related to developments, but of course, when it comes to city or other

553
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:20,360
 infrastructure, that is the city's consideration as well, but line of sight, safety, all those

554
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,360
 factors are considered.

555
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:30,000
 Well, and the line of sight would be toward a turning in a straightaway, that should not

556
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,000
 be a factor.

557
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,600
 It's just there for beautification, I guess.

558
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:40,520
 Well, so if you're turning from a minor street to a major, and a tree is standing right in

559
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:46,000
 front of your line of sight, hindering who is coming from the other side, that could

560
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,240
 be a line of sight issue, and we have seen a couple of cases here in Denton.

561
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:54,640
 We have requested Tech Start, for example, on University Drive to remove some plantation

562
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,880
 for that case, on University.

563
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:04,540
 You and I have done some neighborhood meetings, and I find it ironic that we're talking about

564
00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:11,120
 moving traffic efficiently, but what our experience has been is slowing down traffic.

565
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,120
 So you mentioned traffic calming devices.

566
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,320
 Can you give some examples of those, please?

567
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:24,640
 Traffic calming devices are typically the arrangements of access management and components

568
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:33,880
 that could be installed on the street or on the side of the street as a signage, or other

569
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:40,640
 measures, for example, narrowing down the lanes to calm traffic, to slow down traffic.

570
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,920
 Stop sign is not one of them.

571
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,920
 That's crucial.

572
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:51,960
 Stop sign is a directional access measure, which one goes first, and that way we kind

573
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,160
 of, you know, control the flow, but it's not a speed measure.

574
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,140
 But there are many, we have provided that information, staff has provided that information

575
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:07,880
 in past, in presentation, that what components could be done when it comes to traffic calming.

576
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:15,760
 But it's not only the speed bumps, or that's one element, there are many, many other things

577
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:25,820
 we could do, for example, increasing, lowering the width and adding more median pieces or

578
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:28,920
 access points, and there are many, many ways we could do that.

579
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,920
 The trend seems to be away from speed bumps.

580
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,920
 Because of the technology, it is irrelevant.

581
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:41,520
 It's the equipment, OEMs that are providing us our fire equipment, they are, our fire

582
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:48,600
 equipment is loaded with water, and then that cannot resist that kind of jump that it, when

583
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,040
 it goes through these bumps.

584
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,280
 And many other cities in US, they have equipment that could sustain that, but we don't.

585
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,000
 As long as we do that, we have to follow what direction we get from fire department.

586
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000
 That's interesting.

587
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,600
 That hadn't occurred to me.

588
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,440
 We can't do speed questions, though.

589
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:12,640
 We can do, but then speed questions would have access points, but then ambulances, other

590
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,840
 fire, first response equipments, they have to, their axle has to be in line, in alignment

591
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:18,840
 with that.

592
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,400
 So we cannot provide multiple speed, multiple speed questions with access points.

593
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,680
 But it's workable, but I think generally we are getting from our first response service

594
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:35,680
 that avoid that, please, it's two minutes slow down could cause us, is extremely important

595
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,680
 in those cases.

596
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,680
 It can make a big difference in saving somebody's life.

597
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,680
 Okay.

598
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,680
 Okay.

599
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,680
 Yes, ma'am.

600
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,680
 All right.

601
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:44,680
 I don't have anything.

602
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:45,680
 You don't have anything?

603
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:46,680
 I'm good.

604
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,680
 Okay.

605
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:48,680
 All right.

606
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,680
 All right, we'll go back in.

607
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,680
 Sure.

608
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,680
 Boom.

609
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,920
 So when we've talked, we've talked about this several times about traffic calming.

610
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:04,040
 Is there a way outside of our big, big plan here that we're kind of the boot camp, our

611
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:11,800
 sort of philosophical way to kind of see the big picture, we've talked through several

612
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,560
 times and our neighborhoods have come up several times.

613
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,200
 Traffic calming ideas have come up several times.

614
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:26,640
 I understand the importance of going through the typology, classifying things.

615
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,600
 I imagine once we classify things, then we can, the city can say, okay, we want to make

616
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,960
 the rest of Windsor like that portion of Windsor.

617
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,080
 Now we're going to have to go out and get funding for that.

618
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,920
 That might take several years or some, maybe we want in my neighborhood like Malone, like

619
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,000
 maybe Malone could be classified as that.

620
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,940
 But I imagine again, that would take several years to get that project underway.

621
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:55,520
 Has staff considered any kind of like smaller, maybe like safer neighborhoods program where

622
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,880
 it could, neighborhoods could say, we really do want it to be traffic to be slowed.

623
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,720
 We understand we can't make it slower than 30 miles per hour.

624
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:07,480
 Some neighborhoods are not narrow.

625
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,920
 Some neighborhoods are very wide.

626
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:16,900
 We'd like to request some paint and bollard bump outs that might cost a few thousand dollars

627
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:20,040
 or we'd like to request some pinch points.

628
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:28,800
 Is there, is there any plan in place to create like a sort of quick build program that neighborhoods

629
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:35,200
 or businesses could say, until this road is ever reclassified and now we get the funding

630
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:41,480
 and now we get all of the facilities that maybe the staff determines might be required

631
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,600
 or might be good for the future.

632
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,960
 We've got an issue right now.

633
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,160
 We've got people speeding, even with all the signs.

634
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,160
 We've got people going through the stoplights.

635
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,720
 What is, what are your thoughts on that?

636
00:52:54,720 --> 00:53:00,080
 Like kind of making it a little bit more accessible for neighborhoods to go, we'd like to implement

637
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,400
 some of these traffic calming menu.

638
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:08,680
 Like you've got a menu and they might say, we were interested in these several ideas.

639
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,040
 Could you come in and assess and then implement those things?

640
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:20,360
 Staff has been to at least six community meetings where we were invited to talk about certain

641
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,360
 improvements.

642
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:27,960
 And we, staff was of impression that community is behind it, but in most meetings only to

643
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,280
 find out that one or two people were supporting that idea.

644
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:39,520
 And then when we presented the ideas in that community meeting, we were informed that why

645
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,520
 are you here?

646
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,300
 Why are you making these presentations and why, who invited you?

647
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:53,160
 And so I think I'm humbly trying to request our leadership here to develop a process and

648
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:59,560
 we can assist in this process, develop a process where if that kind of suggestion comes where

649
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:08,280
 staff will spend a lot of resources before it comes to fruition, we ensure that community

650
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:15,120
 is behind this idea and community is, there should be multiple rounds of community meetings

651
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:22,840
 between the council members or mobility committee members and planning and zoning commissioners.

652
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,960
 They all should be there, they rigorously go through that idea.

653
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,360
 That staff recommendation, I'm not saying that needs to happen.

654
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:35,200
 I think of course that can be discussed, but that needs to happen before cities start spending

655
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:42,720
 dollars, public dollars on these efforts only to find out that the community is not behind

656
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:43,720
 it.

657
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:48,360
 So that is extremely important and that has happened multiple times with us in many cases.

658
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,860
 I won't quote the cases here, but CMO knows about that.

659
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:53,480
 And that's unfortunate.

660
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,040
 So one suggestion I might have, so as someone in a community where I have brought some of

661
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:05,200
 those ideas and it has been disappointing to have my neighbors totally misunderstand

662
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:11,760
 the idea, the vision, the heart behind it, and then shoot it down and hate it.

663
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,360
 It would be real, if one possible suggestion would be, let's say a neighborhood person

664
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:22,240
 comes and says, a few of my neighbors and I have noticed some of these issues.

665
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:27,800
 We would like to start a process of getting buy-in from our neighborhood.

666
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,680
 Number one, what is even possible on this particular street?

667
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,840
 And maybe staff could offer a couple of suggestions without hopefully spending too much time.

668
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:46,040
 And then maybe that neighbor could then go in and find a way to even make it digitally,

669
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,720
 do a mock-up so that neighbors actually can see what it looks like.

670
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:54,000
 I'm not saying staff would do that, but maybe even if it was something that now this neighbor

671
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,080
 has the tools to go, okay, this is even what is possible, now it's my responsibility to

672
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,400
 get the neighborhood buy-in.

673
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,240
 And then from that point, maybe once we get the buy-in, then we kind of come back.

674
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:09,360
 So maybe it's like a two-touch point thing where if a neighborhood even finds out before

675
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,960
 somebody goes, we want to do all these things, and then we find out, oh, we can't even do

676
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:13,960
 those things.

677
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,960
 Those aren't even possible.

678
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,640
 There's kind of a dance here to try to get the neighborhood to understand.

679
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:25,680
 Those of us that have seen it done well, there's a translation problem in even getting people

680
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:31,080
 to understand the vision where sometimes even just seeing a picture or a digital mock-up

681
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,440
 of like, oh, this is what it would look like with medians.

682
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,920
 This is what ... We're not talking about something that's really ugly.

683
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,000
 It actually could enhance our neighborhood or could make things better.

684
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,000
 I don't know.

685
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,800
 Just a thought.

686
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,120
 I hate that that has happened to you all.

687
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:51,700
 I really, really do, and it's a common issue, I think, where it's difficult to get people

688
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:56,760
 to those meetings, it's difficult to get the people who support those ideas to show up

689
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,760
 and be vocal.

690
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,560
 Typically, the most vocal people are the people who don't want something.

691
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,720
 So ... Staff is trying to accomplish the prioritization

692
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:11,440
 that has been delivered, given to us, assigned to us from CMO and council, and some of those

693
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:18,360
 are those high-injury network that's top priority, and I can't even express it how many times

694
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:23,480
 in a day I reach out to Chandra and my team that go after it.

695
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,680
 I need some results on that, and so that is a priority, and there are a couple of other

696
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,680
 things.

697
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,240
 For example, mobility plan amendment is ... Mobility plan is coming.

698
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,640
 There are developments going on.

699
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,640
 There's so many things going on where staff is prioritizing things according to CMO's

700
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,640
 direction.

701
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,400
 It is prioritized by council and CMO, we'll be happy to assist.

702
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:53,080
 I was just going to pop in, I appreciate that living in society is a complex ... It is hard

703
00:57:53,080 --> 00:58:00,320
 to get everyone on board, but that's the sort of magic of democracy.

704
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:07,760
 It does help if we can put in procedures and tools that are well understood, so that you

705
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,760
 can assemble the Legos in different ways, depending on the needs of the community, but

706
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,560
 I think to Mr. Penn's point, and that is ... Or member Penn's point, I'm going to get all

707
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,960
 these titles wrong.

708
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,560
 Many members of our community and even members of the mobility committee don't always understand

709
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,800
 what Legos are available, so we don't know what we can construct out of those Legos,

710
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:36,200
 so to the extent that you could make the community's life easier, and they could turn around and

711
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:43,280
 make your life easier because they know the catalog of things without asking you to do

712
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,440
 wasted efforts.

713
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,480
 Does that make sense?

714
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:54,520
 We could prioritize the process if CMO directs, and they do certainly, but how much a priority

715
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:59,840
 it is for council and CMO, that has to be decided, and once it is clear, we could move

716
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:00,840
 in that direction.

717
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,840
 Appreciate that.

718
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:02,840
 Okay.

719
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,520
 Well, those were some good questions, thank you very much.

720
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:13,160
 I have just one last question, and I'm going back to the sight line that you talked about.

721
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:25,040
 If a sight line is being blocked from a citizen's private residence, and I'm thinking a lot

722
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:31,840
 about McKinney, coming out and going on McKinney, and those homes being so close to the roadway,

723
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:37,320
 and they have trees and bushes and things like that, instead of me getting out of my

724
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:44,760
 car with my little stall and sawing down their bush because I can't see around it.

725
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,480
 I want to do that so bad, but I really, I know I can't do it.

726
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,840
 They're going to send you to JP.

727
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,680
 I know, I know, I know, I want to do it so bad.

728
00:59:53,680 --> 01:00:03,960
 How do we, as a community, relay that information to the city to help us with that problem?

729
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,080
 Do we just need to do 311, or how does that come about?

730
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,760
 Because there's several areas that I would like to do that.

731
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,640
 Yeah, that is Denton 311 request, and once you make a request, it is forwarded to appropriate

732
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:17,640
 department.

733
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:18,640
 Okay.

734
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,640
 All right, thank you.

735
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,480
 I knew that, but I just needed a community to know that, and I did mention something

736
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,720
 last night at the end of our meeting that we should take advantage of the materials

737
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:29,720
 that we already have.

738
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:35,120
 Yeah, if they provide a picture, a few pictures, that makes our life a little bit easier, because

739
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,960
 then immediately we don't have to go to audit.

740
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,400
 We can assess and say how critical would that be and schedule it accordingly.

741
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:50,680
 Okay, so we'll ask our community to not only dial 311 to get your issue in, but if you

742
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:57,720
 can take a picture of it on that 311, you can attach that picture to the thing.

743
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,720
 So we just want everybody to know that while we're educating people on that.

744
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:07,480
 Are there any other questions or any other comments or concerns before we complete this

745
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,480
 part?

746
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,480
 All right.

747
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:10,480
 Thank you very much.

748
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,480
 Thank you so much.

749
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,480
 We always appreciate you.

750
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,480
 Always.

751
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:23,280
 Okay, we're going to D, MC25-059, staff memorandum, Growing the Bike Bus Program follow up.

752
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,600
 Oh, and by the way, we do have someone new in our presence.

753
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:33,480
 When are we going to introduce this person?

754
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,960
 We can do it during concluding items.

755
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,880
 Oh, we can do it during concluding items.

756
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:37,880
 Okay.

757
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,360
 We'll sit still for a little while longer.

758
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:40,360
 All right.

759
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,360
 All right.

760
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,640
 Thank you, Dr. Seth Garcia, Director of Capital Projects.

761
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,440
 So just want to run through the staff memo real quick.

762
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,800
 So Growing that Bike Bus Program, excuse me.

763
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,320
 So staff reached out to a couple elementary schools.

764
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,320
 They did hear back from Rivera Elementary.

765
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,480
 Looks like they'll be discussing with them this week.

766
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:06,160
 And then we'll be bringing back an update in the December committee meeting.

767
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,600
 The quarterly construction report.

768
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,080
 So I'm not going to read through all of these, but do want to give you a couple big highlights.

769
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:16,600
 So, Bonnie Bray 3, we've had the railroad, Kansas City Southern out there, or Canadian

770
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:22,680
 Pacific, Kansas City Southern, out there working at the rail crossing.

771
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,880
 We are pouring some of the last paving for the northbound lanes.

772
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,760
 So within the next probably six weeks or so, you're going to see traffic shift onto the

773
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,520
 new northbound lanes, and we'll start demoing out and working on the southbound side.

774
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:43,540
 So making a lot of progress there, still anticipating to be complete Q4 of 26.

775
01:02:43,540 --> 01:02:46,080
 Next one I wanted to highlight is Bonnie Bray 6.

776
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,140
 So we have made a ton of progress on the drainage stuff there.

777
01:02:50,140 --> 01:02:54,840
 You'll see more paving happening first of the year timeframe.

778
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,060
 Again, our schedule has slipped a tiny bit.

779
01:02:59,060 --> 01:03:01,360
 It says Q1 2027 here.

780
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,260
 We're like into that first week of April right now with the actual schedule.

781
01:03:05,260 --> 01:03:10,360
 So it technically is falling into Q2, but we're still hopeful to be done Q1.

782
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,000
 We're going to do some things to try and accelerate that schedule with the contractor, open up

783
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,840
 a few more areas to get them completed.

784
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,640
 Riney Road East, we have bid that project.

785
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,860
 It should be coming to city council for award here in December.

786
01:03:24,860 --> 01:03:30,340
 So that is one that we will look to begin construction Q1 of 26.

787
01:03:30,340 --> 01:03:33,840
 And then the other one I wanted to highlight is McKinney sidewalks.

788
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:38,000
 So we took forward to council last night an eminent domain from one parcel.

789
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,640
 This project is currently advertising.

790
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,120
 So we open bids for this project in mid December.

791
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:49,080
 We're not anticipating hopefully anything to come from that TCE and right away that

792
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,680
 went last night.

793
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,600
 So we'll be ready to start that project Q1 of 26.

794
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,040
 Talk a little bit about Riney Road.

795
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,040
 Riney Road.

796
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,280
 So we're actively working on the right away acquisition.

797
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,460
 We took the ED item last night as well that was approved.

798
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:09,320
 So working through the design process, again, this is going to be a three lane section,

799
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,020
 but we are acquiring the full right of way.

800
01:04:12,020 --> 01:04:16,120
 We're designing all the drainage and a lot of the sidewalk infrastructure to be put into

801
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,000
 the permanent ultimate configurations place.

802
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,960
 So once we come back, if it is widened to a four lane divided, we're not going to have

803
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,640
 to redo a bunch of that work.

804
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,760
 But right now it will be a three lane section until it warrants for more of the traffic

805
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,480
 capacity.

806
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,040
 We have seen the cost estimate grow over time.

807
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,480
 So we're working with the budget department to include that in the future year CIP.

808
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:43,120
 I think right now our current estimated cost of construction is around $23 million.

809
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,120
 Okay.

810
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,920
 You had a question?

811
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:46,920
 Yes.

812
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,960
 Thank you, Madam Chair.

813
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:57,720
 The 5B neighborhood and things like Riney Road where there's limited access, how are

814
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:03,920
 we, and I'm going to evocatively call this the sunset effect, the sunset road effect.

815
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:09,600
 For these constricted access points, Riney's one, some of the neighborhoods where we blocked

816
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:14,640
 all the access points simultaneously to bundle a project together.

817
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:20,200
 That's created real pain points across our community, both commercial like Sunset and

818
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,080
 other places like where it's their schools.

819
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:28,620
 What are we doing to address some of these places that have real pinched down traffic

820
01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:34,000
 flows and don't have a lot of options as we go forward on Riney and maybe 5B to keep us

821
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,280
 on topic and then maybe to the extent that legal lets you get away with it generally.

822
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:40,280
 Yeah.

823
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:45,480
 So to be honest, during the planning and design phase, it's a lot of community outreach.

824
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,000
 If that means our project management staff going door to door to get the input from the

825
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,400
 people, we don't see high attendance in a lot of our community meetings.

826
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,320
 We send out multiple rounds of flyers.

827
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,000
 We don't get a lot of response.

828
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,420
 One thing that we're looking at is, again, doing boots on the ground, going out and talking

829
01:06:02,420 --> 01:06:05,800
 to people, allowing that local traffic.

830
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,360
 Everything comes with a trade off.

831
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:14,760
 So if we look to allow more access and build roads in half, you extend the timeline for

832
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,600
 twice the duration.

833
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,800
 So again, those are the kinds of things that we're trying to balance.

834
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,640
 If you want to get more impact in commercial areas, that may make sense to be able to allow

835
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,720
 more local traffic to get to the businesses.

836
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:32,960
 Again, the adverse impact is we extend construction duration for that time to be able to do that.

837
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,160
 So that's one plan during planning and design.

838
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:41,840
 During construction, it's going to be continued neighborhood and business outreach.

839
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,240
 We're going to do a better job about staying in contact with the business owners, listening

840
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,520
 and hearing kind of those pain points that they're experiencing and work to mitigate

841
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,600
 those things proactively and hopefully not reactively during the construction process.

842
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,800
 I think that's probably my biggest takeaway from Sunset is just making ourselves available

843
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:06,720
 to hear those concerns and be able to react quickly to help alleviate some of them while

844
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,040
 also giving a lot of information upfront.

845
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,760
 No, I appreciate that.

846
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:16,800
 And I appreciate you keeping that, Ryan, any other pinch points top of mind.

847
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:23,400
 I think it goes a long way to bringing our citizenry along with us as we go through a

848
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,400
 difficult time.

849
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,400
 Yeah, absolutely.

850
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:33,040
 And one of the things that I like to add to this, I just feel very compelled and it kind

851
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:38,880
 of goes along with something that I noted last night at the end of our meeting in regards

852
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:45,860
 to people feeling like that they're not getting the information and noting to our community

853
01:07:45,860 --> 01:07:51,240
 that the information is there, sometimes you have to go and look for it first.

854
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,480
 But the other thing is, is we have to give ourselves some grace because we have so many

855
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,080
 new people here.

856
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,400
 They're moving in daily and they're trying to get acclimated.

857
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:07,240
 They're not really trying to feel, you know, what's happening in the trenches of didn't.

858
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:16,360
 So I don't want our employees nor city council members or anybody else that's out there and

859
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:21,020
 talking to us is making these decisions to feel like we're doing just such a terrible

860
01:08:21,020 --> 01:08:27,080
 job because we do know that new people are coming in, new businesses are coming in.

861
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,640
 People want things quickly.

862
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,560
 That's for the best for them.

863
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:40,280
 But I just want our community to know that we are trying very hard to be communicative.

864
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:47,880
 I heard the gentleman speak about Sunset and there was much access, you know, it wasn't

865
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,520
 like total non-access.

866
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,860
 People do what they want to do and go where they want to go and how they want to do it.

867
01:08:54,860 --> 01:08:56,640
 So I just wanted to put that on you.

868
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,480
 I know you have a very tough job and I can appreciate everything that you're doing.

869
01:09:01,480 --> 01:09:05,640
 And everybody, CMO, everybody in here.

870
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,960
 So just taking that and that's all I have to say about that.

871
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:09,960
 Anybody else?

872
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:10,960
 >> Please.

873
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:11,960
 >> Okay.

874
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,720
 >> First of all, I want to say a big, big thank you for the accommodation that your

875
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:25,120
 department has made with Bonnie Bray and Willow Wood with Dat Coo Stadium.

876
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:30,720
 That's a very sensitive thing with me and there's a whole lot, 25,000 other people are

877
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:31,720
 concerned about that.

878
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:38,240
 And with the construction on I-35, on the west side, you've got to have another way

879
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,800
 to get there.

880
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:48,480
 And good news, bad news, Black Friday, I think that's the 28th, there's another game.

881
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:55,520
 And with any luck, there'll be a conference championship game that nobody anticipated.

882
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:56,520
 So good on that.

883
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,520
 And again, thank you for that.

884
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:06,800
 >> Go over again, Ryan Road, do I understand it's going to be a three lane, two lanes and

885
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:07,800
 a turn lane?

886
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:08,800
 >> Yeah, that is correct.

887
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:14,040
 So it's going to be one lane each direction and a turn lane to allow folks to enter into

888
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,640
 a lot of the neighborhoods, areas there.

889
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,280
 We are looking to design a lot of the sidewalk and the drainage portions.

890
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,600
 There's several creek crossings that have large culverts.

891
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:29,720
 We're going to go ahead and build those to what would accommodate the future full four

892
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,280
 lane section coming through there.

893
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,280
 >> That's what confused me.

894
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,280
 >> Yeah.

895
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:34,280
 >> Okay.

896
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,280
 >> Yeah, so we're not going to build those in the small three lane section, we're going

897
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:43,000
 to extend them out so when we come back and do the full four lane section divided, it'll

898
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,440
 fit and we won't have to readjust all those box culverts.

899
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:47,440
 We'll save a lot of money with that.

900
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,720
 >> But there's no time anticipation for four lanes.

901
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:51,720
 >> Correct.

902
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,680
 Yeah, it'll be some time from now.

903
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,680
 >> I got it.

904
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:55,680
 I got it.

905
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:56,680
 Thank you.

906
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,680
 Thank you, Jeremy.

907
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:58,680
 >> Thank you.

908
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:59,680
 Anything else?

909
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,480
 >> The quarterly construction and trip report?

910
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:02,480
 >> Yes.

911
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:07,440
 So again, this is the Gantt chart that kind of goes with the quarterly update there.

912
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:09,480
 So we'll update this every quarter.

913
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,960
 I can answer any questions if you have any on the schedule.

914
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:13,960
 >> Okay.

915
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,780
 >> For some of these, and it's probably just my ignorance because I don't know the standard,

916
01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:24,640
 but I notice a lot of, especially on our sidewalk projects, which thank you for getting a lot

917
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:25,640
 of these off the ground.

918
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:30,440
 We really appreciate that, especially along some of our major pathways.

919
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:33,640
 One of the comments I've gotten from the community that maybe you could provide some color to

920
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:39,720
 is the lighting component, because often we think about five foot or 10 foot wide sidewalks.

921
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,460
 We're thinking about the concrete and bike pad.

922
01:11:42,460 --> 01:11:50,100
 But some of that is the lighting, enough lighting for the people using the facility, but also

923
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:54,320
 not so much lighting that if it's in a neighborhood that they yell about that too.

924
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:55,320
 >> Right.

925
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:59,720
 So is that a little color for how that's incorporated into our ongoing design?

926
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:00,720
 >> Yeah, absolutely.

927
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:05,440
 So I know specifically with a lot of the major arterial work that we're doing and neighborhood

928
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:12,000
 reconstructions, we work with DME to do photometric studies on a lot of these areas.

929
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,480
 On the major arterials, a lot of that scope will actually include with the project.

930
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:20,720
 So it's coming through and they'll look at lighting the roadway and then kind of the sidewalks

931
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,980
 adjacent get the lighting benefit from the roadway.

932
01:12:24,980 --> 01:12:29,760
 On the neighborhood program, specifically 2019 bond program, we provided those photometric

933
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,640
 studies and design analysis to DME.

934
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,440
 And then DME will go in after the projects and install street lighting either on existing

935
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:40,800
 poles or have to tag in a few poles.

936
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,800
 With the bond project, we're putting in pull boxes, conduits, anything that's needed for

937
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,560
 them to come in after we're done and basically hang the luminaires.

938
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,320
 And so that's kind of the second part.

939
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,480
 We pass it to DME and then they put it in their CIP.

940
01:12:55,480 --> 01:13:01,320
 >> That's really comforting to hear that we're providing the potential for future infrastructure

941
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:02,320
 much more easily.

942
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,560
 I think that will satisfy a lot of the questions that I've gotten from the community is like,

943
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:11,200
 we're just seeing sidewalks and it's going to be dark and scary, and so I appreciate

944
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:12,200
 that clarity.

945
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,200
 >> Yeah, absolutely.

946
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:20,320
 >> Are there different types of lighting that the city offers for pedestrian lighting that

947
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,320
 if it's just like we don't need to light the entire road, but we want to light a spot for

948
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,880
 people who are walking?

949
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,440
 >> I'm not aware of any standards that we have specific for pedestrian lighting.

950
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:34,560
 Generally, it's the roadway lighting that is designed to accommodate the side paths

951
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,120
 near it.

952
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:42,640
 >> I have a question about the exhibit three that shows the status report that shows all

953
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:43,640
 the totals.

954
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:44,640
 Do you have that one?

955
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:45,640
 >> This one?

956
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:46,640
 >> Yes.

957
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:47,640
 >> Okay.

958
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:48,640
 This is for the DCTA trip report.

959
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,520
 >> Oh, sorry, I've moved on to the wrong thing.

960
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:51,520
 >> No, you're good.

961
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,520
 >> Sorry.

962
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,040
 >> If there's no questions, we can move on to quarterly construction and trip report

963
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,640
 so we can move on.

964
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,120
 Any other quarterly construction questions?

965
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,120
 All right.

966
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,080
 Let's move on to the trip report real quick.

967
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,080
 >> Okay.

968
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:05,080
 >> Do you have anything to share on this one first?

969
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,080
 >> I do not.

970
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,080
 >> Okay.

971
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:11,920
 >> So this is our quarterly trip report that goes through the last, since 2021, our trip

972
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:12,920
 projects.

973
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:13,920
 >> Cool.

974
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,880
 >> So we're working on these in partnership with the transportation group.

975
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,760
 So the only thing I noticed, and I don't know, I don't know if I've seen one of these before

976
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:27,440
 and I can't remember if I have what the status is, but when I looked through these, I noted

977
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:36,600
 that D4 from 2021, the Jennings project, and then D15, the downtown, those projects say

978
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:44,200
 that they're complete and there are, there is a remaining trip balance of about, my quick

979
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,920
 calculation is about $700,000.

980
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,160
 I don't know if any of those are, looks like on D4 maybe there's a remaining payment.

981
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:59,400
 I'm curious what happens to that trip money and if that's something that we roll into

982
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:04,520
 other projects or if it's available, if there's a new thing that comes up, we're like, hey,

983
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,000
 we've got $700,000 allocated that is remaining.

984
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,000
 >> Yes.

985
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,200
 So it stays with the trip program.

986
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,360
 So essentially it goes back into the pot of money with our next year's trip allocation

987
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:18,480
 and then we would submit new applications for new projects to reallocate that money

988
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:19,560
 elsewhere.

989
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:25,240
 So I think on the all-way crossing, we just had a trip proposal in 2025 that went to move

990
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,320
 that towards the Sycamore side path project, I believe.

991
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:34,240
 So that $400,000 or almost $500,000, I believe, is moving over to that, but that's the standard

992
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:35,240
 process.

993
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,240
 >> Okay.

994
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:37,240
 Cool.

995
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:38,240
 That's great.

996
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,240
 I like seeing this.

997
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:40,240
 >> Thank you.

998
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,240
 >> Okay.

999
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:42,240
 He has a question.

1000
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,240
 >> Yeah.

1001
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,240
 >> And he said he's been trying.

1002
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:45,920
 >> I've been trying to narrow it down.

1003
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:46,920
 I've been trying.

1004
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:47,920
 >> Really trying to narrow it down.

1005
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,920
 >> It's so hard.

1006
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:59,760
 The question I had is I noticed that we have crossing and hawk-related projects in some

1007
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:07,320
 of our trip funds and we had a hawk crossing that we reallocated, did we use that one that

1008
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:15,360
 was there -- I guess it was at North Lakes for anything?

1009
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,440
 How did we recycle that, if you will?

1010
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:21,960
 >> Good morning, Chandra.

1011
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:27,120
 So the location we had the crossing at North Lakes, since the intersection we converted

1012
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:32,460
 into an all-way stop, all vehicles from all movements has to come to a stop.

1013
01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:34,740
 So we don't need that at that location.

1014
01:16:34,740 --> 01:16:39,060
 So we moved further east side at fireside at Windsor.

1015
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:45,240
 So we relocated that device that used to be there when there was no control before.

1016
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,240
 >> And I don't want to hijack, because it's kind of a separate item, I want to keep the

1017
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:49,240
 trip.

1018
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,800
 Was that -- there was no trip funds involved?

1019
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:52,800
 >> No.

1020
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:53,800
 It's all in-house.

1021
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:54,800
 >> We just -- we did that internally.

1022
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:55,800
 >> Yes.

1023
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:56,800
 >> And moved on.

1024
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:57,800
 Okay.

1025
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:58,800
 Thank you for the clarity.

1026
01:16:58,800 --> 01:16:59,800
 >> Sure.

1027
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:00,800
 Welcome.

1028
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,920
 >> All right.

1029
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,720
 Any other questions about the trip?

1030
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:05,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1031
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:06,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1032
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:07,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1033
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:08,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1034
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:09,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1035
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:10,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1036
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:11,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1037
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:12,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1038
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:13,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1039
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:14,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1040
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:15,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1041
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:16,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1042
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:17,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1043
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:18,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1044
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:19,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1045
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:20,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1046
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:21,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1047
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:22,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1048
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:23,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1049
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:24,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1050
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:25,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1051
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:26,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1052
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:27,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1053
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:36,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1054
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:37,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1055
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:38,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1056
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:39,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1057
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:40,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1058
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:41,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1059
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:42,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1060
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:43,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1061
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:44,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1062
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:45,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1063
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:46,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1064
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:47,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1065
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:48,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1066
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:49,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1067
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:50,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1068
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:51,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1069
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:52,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1070
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:53,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1071
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:54,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1072
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1073
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:56,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1074
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:57,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1075
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:58,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1076
01:17:58,720 --> 01:17:59,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1077
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:00,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1078
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:01,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1079
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:02,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1080
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:03,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1081
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:04,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1082
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:05,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1083
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:06,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1084
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:07,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1085
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:08,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1086
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:09,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1087
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:10,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1088
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:11,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1089
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:12,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1090
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1091
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:14,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1092
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:15,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1093
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:16,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1094
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:17,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1095
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:18,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1096
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:19,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1097
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:28,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1098
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:29,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1099
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:30,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1100
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:31,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1101
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:32,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1102
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:33,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1103
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:34,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1104
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:35,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1105
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:36,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1106
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:37,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1107
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1108
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:39,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1109
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:40,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1110
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:41,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1111
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:42,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1112
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:43,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1113
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:44,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1114
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:45,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1115
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:46,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1116
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:47,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1117
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:48,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1118
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:49,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1119
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:50,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1120
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:51,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1121
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:52,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1122
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:53,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1123
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:54,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1124
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:55,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1125
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1126
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:57,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1127
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:58,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1128
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1129
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:00,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1130
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:01,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1131
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:02,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1132
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:03,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1133
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:04,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1134
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1135
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:06,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1136
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1137
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:08,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1138
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:09,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1139
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:10,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1140
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:11,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1141
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:21,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1142
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:22,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1143
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:23,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1144
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:24,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1145
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:25,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1146
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:26,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1147
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:27,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1148
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:28,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1149
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:29,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1150
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:30,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1151
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:31,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1152
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:32,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1153
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:33,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1154
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:34,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1155
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:35,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1156
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:36,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1157
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:37,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1158
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:38,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1159
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:39,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1160
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:40,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1161
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:41,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1162
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:42,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1163
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:43,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1164
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:44,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1165
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:45,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1166
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:46,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1167
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:47,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1168
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:48,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1169
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:49,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1170
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:50,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1171
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:51,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1172
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:52,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1173
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:53,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1174
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:54,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1175
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:55,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1176
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1177
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:57,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1178
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:58,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1179
01:19:58,720 --> 01:19:59,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1180
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:00,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1181
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:01,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1182
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:02,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1183
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:03,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1184
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:21,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1185
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:22,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1186
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:23,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1187
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:24,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1188
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1189
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:26,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1190
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:27,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1191
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:28,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1192
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:29,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1193
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:30,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1194
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:31,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1195
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1196
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:33,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1197
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:34,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1198
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:35,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1199
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:36,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1200
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:37,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1201
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:38,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1202
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:39,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1203
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:40,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1204
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:41,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1205
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:42,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1206
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:43,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1207
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:44,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1208
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:45,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1209
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:46,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1210
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:47,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1211
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:48,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1212
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:49,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1213
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:50,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1214
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:51,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1215
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:52,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1216
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:53,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1217
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:54,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1218
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1219
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:02,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1220
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:03,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1221
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:04,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1222
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:05,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1223
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:06,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1224
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:07,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1225
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:08,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1226
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:09,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1227
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:10,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1228
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:11,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1229
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:12,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1230
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:13,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1231
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:14,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1232
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:15,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1233
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:16,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1234
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:17,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1235
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:18,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1236
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:19,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1237
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:20,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1238
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:21,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1239
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:22,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1240
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:23,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1241
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:24,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1242
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:25,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1243
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:26,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1244
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:27,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1245
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:28,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1246
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:29,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1247
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:30,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1248
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:31,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1249
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:32,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1250
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:33,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1251
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:34,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1252
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:35,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1253
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:36,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1254
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:37,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1255
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:38,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1256
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:39,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1257
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:40,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1258
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:41,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1259
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1260
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:43,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1261
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:44,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1262
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:45,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1263
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:46,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1264
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:47,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1265
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:54,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1266
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:55,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1267
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1268
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:57,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1269
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:58,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1270
01:21:58,720 --> 01:21:59,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1271
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:00,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1272
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:01,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1273
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:02,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1274
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:03,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1275
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:04,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1276
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:05,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1277
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:06,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1278
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:07,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1279
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:08,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1280
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:09,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1281
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:10,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1282
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:11,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1283
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:12,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1284
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:13,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1285
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:14,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1286
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:15,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1287
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:16,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1288
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:17,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1289
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:18,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1290
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:19,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1291
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:20,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1292
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:21,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1293
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:22,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1294
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:23,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1295
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:24,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1296
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:25,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1297
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:26,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1298
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:27,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1299
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:28,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1300
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:29,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1301
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:30,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1302
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:31,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1303
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:32,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1304
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:33,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1305
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:34,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1306
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:35,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1307
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:36,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1308
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:37,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1309
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:38,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1310
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:39,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1311
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:46,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1312
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:47,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1313
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:48,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1314
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:49,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1315
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:50,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1316
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:51,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1317
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:52,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1318
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:53,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1319
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:54,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1320
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:55,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1321
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:56,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1322
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:57,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1323
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1324
01:22:58,720 --> 01:22:59,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1325
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:00,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1326
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:01,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1327
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:02,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1328
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:03,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1329
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:04,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1330
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:05,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1331
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:06,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1332
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:07,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1333
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:08,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1334
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:09,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1335
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:10,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1336
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:11,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1337
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:12,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1338
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:13,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1339
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:14,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1340
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:15,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1341
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:16,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1342
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:17,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1343
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:18,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1344
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:19,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1345
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:20,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1346
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:21,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1347
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:22,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1348
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:23,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1349
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:24,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1350
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:25,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1351
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:26,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1352
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:27,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1353
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1354
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:29,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1355
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:30,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1356
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:31,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1357
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:40,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1358
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:41,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1359
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:42,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1360
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:43,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1361
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:44,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1362
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1363
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:46,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1364
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:47,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1365
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:48,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1366
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:49,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1367
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:50,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1368
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:51,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1369
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1370
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:53,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1371
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:54,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1372
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:55,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1373
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:56,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1374
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:57,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1375
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:58,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1376
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:59,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1377
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:00,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1378
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:01,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1379
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:02,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1380
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:03,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1381
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:04,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1382
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:05,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1383
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:06,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1384
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:07,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1385
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:08,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1386
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:09,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1387
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:10,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1388
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:11,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1389
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:12,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1390
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:13,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1391
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:14,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1392
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:15,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1393
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:16,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1394
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:17,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1395
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1396
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:19,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1397
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:20,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1398
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1399
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:22,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?

1400
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:23,720
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1401
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:36,720
 >> Any other questions about the trip?