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 >> Good morning everyone, we're here meeting Wednesday, October 22nd, 10 a.m. in our council

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 work session room.

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 First thing on the agenda is citizens' comments on agenda items.

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 Any citizens' comments?

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 No citizens' comments.

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 And so number two, items for individual consideration, MC25-049, consider approval of the minutes

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 for September 24th, 2025, going to get a motion for approval.

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 >> Madam Chair, they are.

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 As I recall, I'll make a motion to their approval.

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 >> Okay.

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 Do we have any discussion on that?

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 Okay.

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 No discussion.

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 All in favor?

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 >> Aye.

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 >> I'll put that in for notation.

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 BMC25-050, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Dittons transportation

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 mobility project status.

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 We have Mr. John Polster here.

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 >> Good morning, everybody.

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 >> Good morning.

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 >> John Polster, ITS, we'll go quick on this, I do have some new information as of about

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 two days ago.

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 >> Oh.

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 >> We'll skip the project summary.

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 On 35 north, the gray section 081 was let for construction last month.

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 And so I get this question, it goes yellow, purple, gray, green.

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 Why are they starting on the gray that far north?

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 The purple is part of the FM 455 project that goes from 2450 out in West Ditton County,

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 Illinois, east to the high school across the interstate.

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 So when they built 455, they included the interchange at 35 for that project.

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 So that was under construction.

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 You usually go south to north.

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 We came back and the southern section used to be one CSJ of about $650 million.

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 When we did the merge project a year or so ago, it came in $100 million over and we had two bidders.

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 So the state asked us to come back and break the yellow job into three smaller projects,

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 which means we had to go back and redo the plans, which pushed them out a little bit.

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 So that's why that's not started yet.

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 Purple's under construction.

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 The gray just started and then we're working on the two CSJs to the north are 116 and 084.

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 That's a really big cursor.

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 So I can see it, right?

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 >> I like it.

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 >> That's for me.

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 >> He likes it.

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 >> He'll do that for me.

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 I can't see.

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 So that's important.

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 That's about 240 million.

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 We'll talk about that here in a second when we get to another project.

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 But what we're working on on all these CSJs, which is like a social security number for

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 a project, on these projects in the south, though they've got let dates in the out years

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 because we're working on all of these utilities for each one of these sections and there's

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 a lot of utilities out there.

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 >> John, excuse me.

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 I'm just curious, did breaking that in the yellow into three sections, did that reduce

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 the net cost?

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 >> It doesn't change the cost.

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 What it does is it puts them under 200 million each and so we expect to get more bidders

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 because they can handle that size job better than they can a half a billion.

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 And with more bidders, you get better prices.

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 So it could reduce the cost.

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 And cost of construction has gone down recently.

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 It was going up pretty precipitously but now it leveled off and now it's coming back down

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 a little bit.

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 So this is that breakout job that I was showing you that's under construction that was let

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 in August and it'll be starting in February after the contractor gets all of their contracts

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 in and bonds and they do their mobilization.

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 So that's new to your report.

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 So the merge is what's under construction now.

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 There's a picture of it, that big hole in the ground that you see as you come around

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 coming north, that's for the, that is huge.

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 I cover up everything with it.

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 That's for that braided ramp right there.

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 So the hole is where you'll exit and go under to get to 380 off the interstate.

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 And then there'll be a bridge that comes over for the frontage road to get up and over to

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 get onto the freeway without having to fight each other for the lanes.

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 So that's what that big hole is.

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 And again, it's five years still before it's even done, so mark your calendars.

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 And that's just telling you what's going on.

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 You can read it.

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 All right, so the Mayhill job, it let in June and the construction start date is Thanksgiving,

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 which so you're going to come around the curve from the merge, you get a break for a minute

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 and you're going to hit Mayhill, which is larger than 288 interchange.

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 And then you're going to trundle along across the lake and you're going to hit 1171 and

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 then a half mile down the road, you're also going to hit the 121 corporate.

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 So 35 is about to be broken again for quite some time.

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 So the frontage roads, this is where I told you that $240 million in that northern part

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 of the north project.

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 We met with the commission, Howard commissioner, Steve Alice, we think he's going to be the

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 new chair.

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 And we talked to him about the frontage roads.

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 And one of the proposals we're going to propose is there are parts of this middle section

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 that the city and Hillwood still want included in the project.

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 It's that all red John Day project section, it's not included in this current $213 million

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 that we have.

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 So one of the things we're proposing is if we can't get additional funds to the project,

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 move some of those funds north of Sanger down to this job because this is more important

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 to us than getting to Windstar.

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 So we're working our magic on that.

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 So we're working a deal to fund the full aspect of this road is about 450 million and right

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 now we're doing like 213 of it, so we're leaving out some of the interchanges that initially

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 we didn't think were necessary.

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 Now we are thinking they're necessary.

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 So we're finding a way to get it funded and then also the southern part all the way down

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 to Del Arnhardt.

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 So there's activity moving, we supposed to get back with the commissioner next week with

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 a pitch on what our proposal is on this.

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 Okay so Luke 28 frontage roads basically we're in PS&E which is the design phase and that's

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 pretty much all we're doing is getting the project ready to be fully designed because

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 of this right here that the right away is still on hold for this segment.

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 We weren't able to get all the right away acquired before the state put a moratorium

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 on right away acquisition for projects that weren't funded and we brought that up to the

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 chairman as well, commissioner, and one of the things we're going to be able to look

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 at is on these projects that are critical to us we want to be able, they want us contributing

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 money anyway so if we're going to contribute they don't really necessarily need construction

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 dollars so we're going to try to provide right away funding and originally the process for

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 the finance division, if you gave them money for right away they just stuck it in a big

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 pot and it never came back to your project.

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 So we're working on the logistics to be able to donate money for right away acquisitions

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 that they would go acquire and donate it to a specific CSJ or a project so that the money

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 comes back to that project.

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 Okay, when we're in these weird, so on that exact point, when we're in these weird things

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 where this is a multi-year project and you're doing right away acquisitions and moving utilities

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 and things but then the budget gets curtailed, is there sufficient money in the pipeline

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 that those utilities keep moving and all that keeps happening or do we just hit a cliff?

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 We hit a cliff.

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 So Dallas District's different than the other districts in the state, they would get projects

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 ready, we call them ready to let, regardless of whether or not there's funding for it.

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 So I call that faith-based engineering.

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 You get the project ready to go and you assume that when it's ready the money will come which

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 it normally does.

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 But part of that is the right away and utility relocations.

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 The rest of the state historically wasn't very good at buying right away moving utilities.

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 So Houston, Austin and San Antonio would always have a backlog of projects that they couldn't

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 move forward because they couldn't get their right away spent.

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 And so Dallas was able, has a budget of $400 million a year but they would spend $800 million

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 a year on right away acquisition because we could get our stuff cleared and they would

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 just take the money from Houston, Austin and San Antonio because the right away division

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 wanted to spend the money, right?

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 If they can't spend it somewhere they want to spend it somewhere else.

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 Well about two years ago, a year and a half ago, Houston started getting their act together

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 and they started spending their money and then there was a budget issue where they took

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 money from right away and consultants and put it into construction to make it look like

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 there wasn't a reduction in the textile budget.

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 And so now instead of Dallas not only getting their $400 million plus others that don't

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 do their job, we don't get $400 million anymore, we only get $350 million.

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 And of that $350 million, it's a biennium so there's $350 million per two years.

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 We have to hold back 10% because next year we don't know what the budget's going to do,

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 what it did this year.

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 And so it's $320 million that they have and $320 million doesn't cover projects in the

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 four-year step that has actual funding for those projects that have let dates they're

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 trying to hit.

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 So projects that don't have funding, they're not even on the table for having a conversation

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 yet.

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 So you're having a crisis of faith.

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 Right.

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 So what I'm doing is projects that we care about, they want our money, we'll just put

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 our money in, we don't care where we spend it, right?

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 So if Radaway's the new critical path, then we'll put it into Radaway.

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 But up until we talked to the chairman, the commissioner, on day four years to day Monday,

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 he said he thinks he'll get to finance the folks to let us take our money for our projects.

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 So we think we're going to get back in the game here in the next few months or so.

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 Okay, thank you.

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 I have a question.

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 No questions.

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 I have an observation that may turn into a question.

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 Down here it says, "TexDOT requested revised traffic numbers."

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 Is that because they want you to, because of the lack of funding, it needs to look like

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 that there's not as much traffic, it's not necessary to fund?

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 What does that mean, requested revised traffic numbers?

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 So this project is, I've told you the joke about me not being married when I started

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 this project, and I've been married 32 years.

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 So every so often, if the project has been moving through the system and it hasn't moved

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 fast enough, what they do is they come back and recheck their assumptions.

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 So we do reavowals on the environmental, we rerun the traffic to make sure the traffic

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 still warrants for a freeway, so it's just a process, it doesn't mean anything.

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 It just sounds like a process that just puts you back, it's a legalized way of saying we're

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 not ready.

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 The right of way is a critical path, and this is one of the projects we're going to shoot

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 because 35W already has all the right of way acquired, so we don't have to mess with it.

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 This is the one that we need front and center, because if we can get the right of way acquired,

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 it's new location, so the utilities are nominal, so that's not a big issue.

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 Once we get the right of way acquired, then the county can come alongside Texan and say,

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 we'll pay you to build certain sections of the, because we're only going to build a northbound

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 frontage road first to set the corridor.

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 So all the development coming from the east will tie into the road where it's supposed

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 to tie into.

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 So we're going to, we take whatever comes, and we try to make lemonade with oranges.

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 I'm not sure if that works.

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 It doesn't.

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 Okay, so the new news on the 288/380 connector is we're done with the environmental, we're

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 moving into PS&E, but the PS&E for the entire, this is the plan specifications and estimates

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 of plans, is about 48 million bucks.

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 So we're going to eat this one, one bite at a time.

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 So we, the county has decided that we think the most critical portion is the connector

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 between 380 and 288, so we're going to get a PS&E set from Westwood to design that section

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 of a project, and this is the second one we're going to include in that list of projects

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 we want to buy the right way for.

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 The reason we're not doing the Bonnie Bray is because we've already got that approved

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 and funded through TechStat, and we're going to work with them to pick that up on their

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 dime for PS&E.

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 So we're going to start eating the northern part of the 288 one section at a time.

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 And when is all that going to start July 26th, no, July 26th is when the project is environmentally

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 cleared.

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 That's when we can start buying the right way.

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 Okay.

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 I don't see any other dates down there where it says utilities.

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 Yeah, because remember right away is in limbo, so that would be the next thing you do after

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 July 26th when it's cleared.

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 During that timeframe, you'd also be identifying your utilities, and you'd be working on your

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 PS&E, so we can't do the right way right now, so we're just skipping to the PS&E.

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 Okay.

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 I think the last time we talked, the final schematic hadn't quite, it was a little flexible

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 still.

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 Are we solid now?

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 We're solid, and I can send that to Cassie, and she can get that to you guys.

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 That would be lovely if we could do that.

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 I'd love that.

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 Yes, sir.

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 We'll do that.

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 And then just know that we're going into the next phase of the actual design for the bypass,

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 of the connector.

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 We already talked about body race segment seven.

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 It has its own independent utility, but it's part of the larger project, and we had TechStat

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 because they had a project manager who's no longer working there.

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 Ironically, he's now working for Westwood that's doing this project.

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 He was notorious for cutting short local government streets just past where he thought they needed

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 to be.

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 So we had TechStat go back in and let us, because we're paying for it, the county, extend

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 this road to, they cut it off on the schematic that we were approving about right here.

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 And once Chandra and Farhan pointed that out, we went back to TechStat, slapped them around

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 a little bit, and they said, "Okay, put it back in, we'll clear it."

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 So we fixed that.

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 1515, this project is ready to let in '27.

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 That's the mostly utilities, and those utilities aren't as impacting because utilities and

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 right-of-way are the same thing to TechStat.

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 So when there's a right-of-way moratorium, there's also a utility moratorium.

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 But all the utilities in this area are not reimbursable because they were in the right-of-way.

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 So if they're in the right-of-way, they have to move on their own dime.

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 So we're progressing these through the utility relocation, and once that's done, and it's

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 going to take a while, this project will be ready to let in March of '27, which means

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 all the utilities are done, all the right-of-ways are acquired, and then I've got to go find

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 $70 million.

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 Is that an extensive project because of all the commercial around it?

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 It's really not that expensive.

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 No?

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 No.

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 It's going from a two-lane to six lanes.

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 So the width of the road is what the cost is, and we're building it as an urban roadway,

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 which means all your storm drainage is under the ground and all that stuff.

00:17:27.260 --> 00:17:31.360
 So as roads go, that's not that much.

00:17:31.360 --> 00:17:33.640
 That's not very expensive.

00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:34.640
 And where will that stop?

00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:35.640
 Will it stop at the airport?

00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:36.640
 Yes.

00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:43.680
 I don't know what the technical term is, a hammerhead, because what happens is 18 wheelers

00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:45.360
 think they can get out that way.

00:17:45.360 --> 00:17:50.240
 They end up in the airport parking lot, and then they've got to do a 13-point turnaround

00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:51.240
 to get out.

00:17:51.240 --> 00:18:02.320
 But no, not a cul-de-sac, but a big turnaround place for lost trucks until it ends at the

00:18:02.320 --> 00:18:03.320
 airport.

00:18:03.320 --> 00:18:05.120
 Put up a toll road, too.

00:18:05.120 --> 00:18:09.920
 Well, the news is, what Texas is wanting to do, and one of the ways we're going to try

00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:16.320
 to get them to buy this thing quicker is previous administrations of the city were entertaining

00:18:16.320 --> 00:18:23.120
 taking 15-15 off system once it's fully constructed, because it'll be a brand new 30-year road.

00:18:23.120 --> 00:18:30.280
 And then you can put a toll road on it, I guess, I don't know.

00:18:30.280 --> 00:18:33.880
 So that's yet to be determined.

00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:38.680
 1173, we are still in conversation with CRUM.

00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:44.360
 They had asked us to find an alternate route around their town for 1173, and we pointed

00:18:44.360 --> 00:18:47.960
 out that if we do that, their Main Street goes away because the railroad will only let

00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:49.980
 us have one crossing.

00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:55.900
 So now we're back to the original alignment, and we're looking for a way to mitigate some

00:18:55.900 --> 00:18:57.040
 of the parking they're losing.

00:18:57.040 --> 00:19:04.720
 So we're in a do-loop with them right now, but we're on hold with the right-of-way acquisition

00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.040
 anyway, so we've got time to work it out.

00:19:07.040 --> 00:19:11.360
 You say we have time to work it out, and it's like another four or five years?

00:19:11.360 --> 00:19:12.360
 No, no.

00:19:12.360 --> 00:19:16.680
 But it's working out with CRUM on what they want us to do in their town, because that's

00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:17.680
 their heart.

00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:24.680
 Where we're coming in, that's their Main Street, that's that parking in the middle of the road.

00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:29.980
 It's a drastic change for them, and we're just trying to be culturally sensitive, which

00:19:29.980 --> 00:19:33.720
 is not my normal path on things.

00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:34.720
 Sorry.

00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:41.480
 Okay, Outer Loop, do y'all care about this?

00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:42.480
 Yeah.

00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:43.480
 Okay.

00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:47.040
 So we just had our public meetings, two of them, one in Denton, one in Pilot Point.

00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:51.040
 We had 171, 150, and the other 190, about 300.

00:19:51.040 --> 00:19:54.480
 The comments were moderate.

00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:58.400
 There are some people that don't want the road anywhere near them, because they think

00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.560
 they still live in the country, and when we show them the heat map, which is where all

00:20:01.560 --> 00:20:05.280
 the developments are, they realize that they're no longer in the city.

00:20:05.280 --> 00:20:11.280
 It just hasn't been built yet, I mean in the county, unincorporated pretty area.

00:20:11.280 --> 00:20:15.560
 And then the majority of them that were there, that are impacted, just wanted to know when

00:20:15.560 --> 00:20:18.600
 somebody's going to buy their right of way.

00:20:18.600 --> 00:20:26.260
 So after we get past September of 2026, it'll be environmentally clear, then the county will

00:20:26.260 --> 00:20:31.760
 come in and start land banking those areas that are critical.

00:20:31.760 --> 00:20:35.320
 Commercial's not really that difficult to deal with, because you can work with those

00:20:35.320 --> 00:20:40.720
 guys because once they know they're on a freeway, and they can have a higher and better use

00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.880
 for their property, they usually work with us.

00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:47.160
 It's the individual property owners that we're going to be looking towards that feel like

00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:51.880
 they've been inversely condemned, right?

00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:56.120
 They're there, but they can't do anything with their property because we protected it.

00:20:56.120 --> 00:21:00.560
 So we're going to come into those cases and just purchase the land, and just bank it for

00:21:00.560 --> 00:21:04.160
 when we need to build the sections of the road.

00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:10.440
 But we can't do any of that until after it's environmentally cleared next year.

00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:13.000
 Are you all going to have any more public?

00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:14.120
 Absolutely.

00:21:14.120 --> 00:21:19.560
 So that was the last set of public meetings for the feasibility phase of the environmental

00:21:19.560 --> 00:21:22.800
 impact statement.

00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:28.400
 We have to do what's called a notice of intent to the feds because they give you a certain

00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:33.160
 amount of time once you give them that NOI to have the project environmentally cleared.

00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:38.600
 So we'll have one more public meeting as a part of the actual environmental impact statement.

00:21:38.600 --> 00:21:42.280
 These were just -- we want to make sure everybody understands what we're doing.

00:21:42.280 --> 00:21:47.880
 But the next one will be the official public meeting, and it can be in more than one location.

00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:53.680
 And then right before six months before mid-summer next year, we'll have what's called a public

00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:55.440
 hearing.

00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:56.840
 And it's not what it sounds like.

00:21:56.840 --> 00:21:57.840
 I've told you all this.

00:21:57.840 --> 00:22:02.280
 A hearing isn't for them to go and hear what you're saying and work out your issues.

00:22:02.280 --> 00:22:07.360
 It's for you to tell them what your problems are, for them to say thank you very much,

00:22:07.360 --> 00:22:09.800
 and then they don't answer you.

00:22:09.800 --> 00:22:14.560
 And they respond to the feds, and then they clear it.

00:22:14.560 --> 00:22:22.200
 So there'll be two more -- the official public meeting and then the actual public hearing.

00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.320
 And those will both come in '26?

00:22:24.320 --> 00:22:32.760
 Yeah, the public hearing has to be probably in July, June, July, because there's a certain

00:22:32.760 --> 00:22:41.960
 number -- you have to hold a public hearing open for, I forget how many days.

00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:46.480
 And then there's a 60-day timeframe after that for the feds to give us what's called

00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:51.360
 a record of decision or a ride.

00:22:51.360 --> 00:22:56.600
 So yeah, if we don't hold a public hearing in the summer, we won't hit the September

00:22:56.600 --> 00:23:00.960
 26th date.

00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.960
 I just told you all that stuff.

00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:09.420
 And then we're going to have a test on all our acronyms that I use.

00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:10.420
 That's those two ladies.

00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:11.420
 Alphabet.

00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:12.420
 Alphabet suit.

00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:13.420
 So that's all I got.

00:23:13.420 --> 00:23:14.420
 Anybody have any questions?

00:23:14.420 --> 00:23:15.420
 Yes, ma'am?

00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:16.420
 Yeah.

00:23:16.420 --> 00:23:21.560
 I forgot to ask a question about Bonnie Brace 7.

00:23:21.560 --> 00:23:24.680
 I'm trying to find the page number for that.

00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:27.280
 I'll just roll to find it.

00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:31.800
 I think since last time you were here -- I can't remember if that was in the summertime,

00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:36.320
 but I don't know if you're aware, on the first day of school, there was a really bad accident

00:23:36.320 --> 00:23:37.320
 right there.

00:23:37.320 --> 00:23:41.680
 Several cars collided at 77 and Bonnie Brace.

00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:48.440
 We still have high school students, and now we have an elementary school in that area.

00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:54.640
 I know that we are still -- we're still a year out from starting the project of getting

00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:58.160
 an intersection -- or, I'm sorry, July, it'll be July.

00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.360
 July is when the project will be environmentally cleared.

00:24:01.360 --> 00:24:02.360
 Okay.

00:24:02.360 --> 00:24:07.040
 There is a whole lot of extra things that have to be done.

00:24:07.040 --> 00:24:13.320
 For one thing, this is the cog and text that I've committed to fund this project.

00:24:13.320 --> 00:24:18.920
 So we've still got to do the construction documents, which we're talking to Westwood

00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:20.360
 right now about getting started on that.

00:24:20.360 --> 00:24:25.900
 So by the time 26 rows are out, because it doesn't take that long to do design, we can

00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:28.720
 have a project that is ready.

00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:36.520
 Now, we may have to go by the right-of-way, this county, in this area, because we don't

00:24:36.520 --> 00:24:41.000
 have -- I don't think that's -- we hadn't bought the right-of-way for this section of

00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:43.320
 roads, so there's still a lot of steps we have to do.

00:24:43.320 --> 00:24:48.820
 All those asterisks have to be filled in for time.

00:24:48.820 --> 00:24:50.560
 So it's a wise-out.

00:24:50.560 --> 00:24:55.840
 So what I'm wondering is, what can be done in the meantime to make this a safer intersection?

00:24:55.840 --> 00:25:05.360
 I've noticed that the speed right there, right before you get to Bonnie Bray, is 50.

00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:11.200
 We've got high school kids trying to pull out of there, and that intersection is incredibly

00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:12.200
 wide.

00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.880
 So people are turning halfway through in the median.

00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:20.160
 Is there anything that can be done while we wait two years for this intersection to get

00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:21.160
 a light?

00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:22.160
 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.960
 So Seth Garcia, Director of Capital Projects, so that intersection is actually going to

00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.760
 be built with our Bonnie Bray 6 project.

00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:28.760
 So they're working on it.

00:25:28.760 --> 00:25:30.640
 They're going to put in the new median cut.

00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.640
 It's going to get a traffic signal.

00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:37.720
 So they're actually moving dirt and actively working on that section right now in the north.

00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:43.660
 So our goal is to get a lot of that work done before the end of next summer.

00:25:43.660 --> 00:25:47.560
 So hopefully we'll have a lot of that traffic signal paving in place to be able to help

00:25:47.560 --> 00:25:48.560
 that intersection.

00:25:48.560 --> 00:25:49.560
 But that will be done with ours.

00:25:49.560 --> 00:25:55.920
 We're providing the plans to Westwood or whoever TXDOT is going to use to build that section.

00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.460
 And then they'll use that to line up with what we're building.

00:25:58.460 --> 00:26:03.080
 So it will just be that northern piece of the intersection going towards Loop 288.

00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:05.080
 So that's now part of Bonnie Bray 6.

00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:06.080
 So it's moving a little faster.

00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:07.080
 Yes, it's always been a part of Bonnie Bray 6.

00:26:07.080 --> 00:26:08.080
 That's great.

00:26:08.080 --> 00:26:11.240
 So you think that'll be done by next school year?

00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:15.680
 Yeah, so we're aiming to have that intersection, the majority of it done by the end of next

00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:16.680
 summer.

00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:17.680
 Okay.

00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.460
 And so again, lining up that August timeframe, the entirety of the project is supposed to

00:26:22.460 --> 00:26:28.920
 be done like Q2 of 27, really that's like April, the beginning of April.

00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:31.840
 And the last pieces that we'll be working on are more towards 380.

00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:34.640
 So I would expect on that northern end, we're going to have a lot completed.

00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:35.640
 Okay.

00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:36.640
 That's great.

00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.400
 So John, if you're part of, you're not with TechStock, correct?

00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.520
 No, I just get exposed to them all the time.

00:26:45.520 --> 00:26:46.520
 I'm just curious.

00:26:46.520 --> 00:26:50.240
 But anything you need from TechStock, you just tell me and I go do it.

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.400
 Well, so the speed limit, like I just mentioned.

00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.520
 So I understand.

00:26:55.520 --> 00:26:59.000
 I'm sure this is a category of a road.

00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:03.240
 It's been a highway for years and years, but now look, we've got neighborhoods right here.

00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:04.240
 Absolutely.

00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:09.000
 If you have an intersection rate, like just a hop and a skip away, putting a 50 mile an

00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:15.720
 hour speed limit sign, literally a few feet from that intersection seems extremely wrong

00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:16.720
 in my opinions.

00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.360
 Can we, is there any way we can slow it down?

00:27:18.360 --> 00:27:20.640
 Yeah, we'll go talk to TechStock about that.

00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:25.640
 But the way the state puts speed limits on a road isn't by their classification.

00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:30.000
 They go out and do what's called speed study, and they take the 85th percentile.

00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:36.960
 So they figure 50% of these people are driving crazy, and so they do this analysis and they

00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.440
 take the 85th percentile, and whatever that speed is, that's what they set it at, plus

00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:48.400
 or minus seven miles rounded to the nearest zero or five.

00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:53.960
 So unfortunately, what happens whenever TechStock asks you to do, you ask them to do a speed

00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.040
 study more times than not, the speed study comes back saying the speed limit ought to

00:27:57.040 --> 00:27:59.080
 be raised.

00:27:59.080 --> 00:28:01.440
 So it's a roll of the dice.

00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:07.480
 So there's ordinance things you can do where we talk to TechStock, we make a case similar

00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:13.680
 to what you're making, and then we can, the city can do an ordinance that sets it at a

00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:18.780
 lower level based on engineering, traffic engineering issues.

00:28:18.780 --> 00:28:22.760
 So that's where I would start is, let us go tell TechStock we're concerned about the speed

00:28:22.760 --> 00:28:29.960
 limit, and then let us try to do that analysis that gives us a justification for warranting

00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:36.240
 dropping the speed limit below the 85th percentile based on traffic engineering issues.

00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.240
 Okay.

00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.120
 I think that would be worthwhile pursuing.

00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:40.120
 Okay.

00:28:40.120 --> 00:28:45.200
 We'll talk to, Chris Rocha's your area engineer, and we'll talk to him, and then Amanda Miller

00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.820
 was your area engineer, and now she's your operations director at the district, and she

00:28:49.820 --> 00:28:53.400
 handles that stuff, so we'll, Amanda will be very familiar with this location.

00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:54.400
 Great.

00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:55.400
 Thank you very much.

00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:56.400
 Thank you for bringing that up.

00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:57.400
 Anything else?

00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:58.400
 Okay, well we are done.

00:28:58.400 --> 00:28:59.400
 Thank you so much for Mr. John.

00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:00.400
 You said no questions for John.

00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:01.400
 We look forward to seeing.

00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:02.400
 Thank you.

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.400
 Look forward to seeing you next year sometime.

00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:04.400
 Okay.

00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.400
 Thank you.

00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:26.440
 All right, well we'll move on to CMC 25051, Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion Regarding

00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:32.960
 Mobility Plan Boot Camp, Part Two, to Introduce and Share Information on Different Elements

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.640
 of the Mobility Plan.

00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.760
 Dr. Bhatt.

00:29:38.760 --> 00:29:46.880
 Good morning, Chair and committee members, Farhan Bhatt, Deputy Director, Transportation

00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.880
 Services Division.

00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:54.360
 I'm here to present the Mobility Plan Boot Camp, Part Two.

00:29:54.360 --> 00:30:02.120
 The previous part, Part One, covered introduction to the Mobility Plan, and this part was supposed

00:30:02.120 --> 00:30:08.640
 to cover goals and thoroughfare plan, but due to the time limitations, I would just

00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:16.800
 in this part I'd cover goals, and then Part Two B in the next meeting would cover the

00:30:16.800 --> 00:30:19.720
 thoroughfare plan.

00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:26.920
 When it comes to goals, and in particular for this boot camp, we have tied all the planning

00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:34.320
 efforts in sequence with the planning documents the city follows.

00:30:34.320 --> 00:30:41.000
 Those three documents or three references include comprehensive plan, a mobility plan,

00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:52.640
 and then our criteria manuals, which is on the -- as a last step for the implementation.

00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:59.400
 So it is essential that we -- before we go to the Mobility Plan goals and strategies,

00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:04.200
 we look at what are the mobility component goals for comprehensive plan.

00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:10.760
 Comprehensive plan has a mobility component, and it has four goals, and they go with M1,

00:31:10.760 --> 00:31:21.000
 M2, 3, and 4, and so first goal is related to safe and efficient mobility.

00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:29.720
 It is important to remember that this comprehensive plan is a large -- at large document, planning

00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:37.420
 document, and it is supposed to be providing a global picture versus on a micro or more

00:31:37.420 --> 00:31:39.160
 focused approaches.

00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:46.360
 So when comprehensive plan talks about goals, even if it is mobility, it takes care of land

00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:50.480
 use and many other elements into picture.

00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:56.240
 So when it comes to safe and efficient mobility, goal M1 talks about providing for the safe

00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:02.560
 efficient movement of motor vehicles, bicycles, and pedestrians in a sustainable way that

00:32:02.560 --> 00:32:06.620
 complements Denton's planned growth strategy.

00:32:06.620 --> 00:32:14.040
 And then goal M2, which talks about enhancing economy, where, you know, enhance -- it simply

00:32:14.040 --> 00:32:19.960
 states that enhance Denton's economy by supporting the city's freight network.

00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.080
 And when it comes to freight network, it also -- it means it includes the commercial land

00:32:24.080 --> 00:32:31.000
 uses, warehouses, and many other uses, including airports and where these freight movements

00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.980
 generate, and not to talk about thoroughfare plan, where these freeways would cover that.

00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:44.480
 Then goal M3 is nonmotorized mobility, which is -- in particular, it is focusing on pedestrian,

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:53.340
 bicyclists, walkability of the city, and any nonmotorization -- motorized transportation

00:32:53.340 --> 00:32:55.520
 modes.

00:32:55.520 --> 00:33:04.460
 And then goal M4 emphasize on public transit, which means that it is emphasizing multimodal

00:33:04.460 --> 00:33:07.560
 improvements and public transit-related improvements.

00:33:07.560 --> 00:33:14.800
 So with these four goals in mind, any strategy that mobility plan will develop, they have

00:33:14.800 --> 00:33:19.400
 to encompass -- they have to be focused around these four goals.

00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:26.400
 And if we -- and later on, we'll see that mobility plan goals and themes, they are focused

00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.520
 around these.

00:33:29.520 --> 00:33:36.840
 So when we look at the mobility plan, mobility plan doesn't go to mobility component directly.

00:33:36.840 --> 00:33:38.320
 It talks in themes.

00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:44.720
 First, it talks about four potential themes when it comes to mobility.

00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:50.560
 And then within the themes, we have goals and objectives.

00:33:50.560 --> 00:33:55.320
 And then under those objectives, based on those objectives, then we strategize.

00:33:55.320 --> 00:33:57.600
 So this is the structure of mobility plan.

00:33:57.600 --> 00:34:05.960
 So the way we will work in this presentation is that we will have comprehensive plan goal

00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:13.440
 identified from this slide, and then we will go with mobility plan's themes and objectives

00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:19.760
 and strategy relating to that goal as an example, so that we can understand that how the planning

00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:27.280
 process has to tie not only to mobility plan objectives, but it has to -- in aggregate,

00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:38.440
 it has -- all the planning efforts must tie with comprehensive plan mobility component.

00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:46.760
 So to begin with, mobility plan goals are listed under the themes.

00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.880
 And you would notice that, for example, we have prioritized safe travel.

00:34:50.880 --> 00:35:00.600
 That's one theme, and then under that theme, these goals are not necessarily in order.

00:35:00.600 --> 00:35:03.840
 They are random, but they are aligned with the theme.

00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:10.080
 For example, prioritized safe travel is one of the theme, and under that theme, we have

00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:12.840
 established a vision zero plan.

00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.680
 That is goal one.

00:35:14.680 --> 00:35:21.560
 Then under that same theme, we have goal seven, which says utilize complete streets approach

00:35:21.560 --> 00:35:24.800
 when improving Denton streets.

00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:32.360
 And of course, then it's tying to another factor for these -- both the goals to acknowledging

00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.960
 the vulnerability of the users.

00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:41.920
 So this is theme one, and it has two goals, goals one and goal seven.

00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:49.680
 And this lens mark with the plus sign, that means that in this presentation, we will be

00:35:49.680 --> 00:35:55.160
 covering -- due to time limitation, we will be covering two themes as an example case.

00:35:55.160 --> 00:36:00.600
 And just to illustrate that how the process should work with the comprehensive plan and

00:36:00.600 --> 00:36:03.440
 mobility plan goals and then strategies.

00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:11.480
 And then if needed, we can expand it to other themes as well.

00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:17.280
 And for instance, the theme two, deliver an effective network for travel.

00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:23.200
 It identifies -- it links with goal five, four and three -- three, four and five, and

00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:26.800
 then even two and six are in there as well.

00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:34.120
 In this presentation, we will cover goal three, which is encourage development of regional

00:36:34.120 --> 00:36:40.740
 transportation network that addresses regional mobility needs for all modes of travel.

00:36:40.740 --> 00:36:46.740
 So imagine this could become very expanded process.

00:36:46.740 --> 00:36:49.960
 Imagine if we cover every goal and then every strategy.

00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:51.760
 The objective is not to cover that.

00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:55.680
 The objective is to understand the process, that how the planning process should be linked

00:36:55.680 --> 00:36:59.800
 to comprehensive plan and mobility plan strategies.

00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:04.840
 But staff will be happy to cover other themes as well.

00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:15.000
 So in the top left part of this slide, you see theme one, which is prioritized safe travel.

00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.240
 That is mobility plan themes.

00:37:17.240 --> 00:37:24.160
 And the goal one of this theme is establish a vision zero action plan.

00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:28.920
 So that is a mobility plan goal under the theme of prioritized safe travel.

00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.540
 Let's look at what comprehensive plan says about it.

00:37:32.540 --> 00:37:39.480
 So comprehensive plan's goal, M1, is about providing safe and efficient movement of motor,

00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.480
 vehicles, bicycle, and pedestrian.

00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:47.860
 It covers everything as it has to, I mean, as a aggregate planning document for the city.

00:37:47.860 --> 00:37:52.600
 It covers generally entire safety, comprehensively.

00:37:52.600 --> 00:37:59.760
 Then mobility plan, through this theme, asks about prioritizing safety.

00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:07.080
 And then it lays objectives and provides a goal one of establishing a vision zero plan.

00:38:07.080 --> 00:38:10.000
 And under the goal one, we have objectives.

00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.240
 We have objective 1A, 1B, and 1C.

00:38:15.240 --> 00:38:19.360
 Objective 1A says safety is the number one priority.

00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:25.000
 And then selected strategies go under, that how do we achieve that, we design, evaluate,

00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:33.880
 operate, and enforce speeds, and ensure that improve the ability of all users when it comes

00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:37.400
 to safe movement.

00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:44.480
 Objective 1B, for instance, covers implement education and enforcement initiatives.

00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:53.040
 And it is, in many of our community meetings we have had with the community members, staff

00:38:53.040 --> 00:39:01.000
 has emphasized this aspect as well, that there has to be some awareness and education and

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.400
 awareness exercise because two parts of this equation, safety equation.

00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:12.120
 One is enforcement, regulations, and standards that we set, that okay, we'll have stop sign.

00:39:12.120 --> 00:39:15.680
 We'll have speed, posted speed limit.

00:39:15.680 --> 00:39:18.760
 That is one side of this safety equation that city is doing.

00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:24.080
 The other part of the equation is that are the community members following those?

00:39:24.080 --> 00:39:26.120
 Are they stopping?

00:39:26.120 --> 00:39:32.460
 Are they stopping on the stop sign or are there red light violations, for instance?

00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:33.460
 And how do we deal with that?

00:39:33.460 --> 00:39:42.080
 So no standards can ensure that those are followed unless community wants to follow

00:39:42.080 --> 00:39:43.080
 them.

00:39:43.080 --> 00:39:48.000
 So I think there has to be education and awareness campaign and mobility plan as part of objective

00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.560
 1B is emphasizing on that.

00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:52.920
 And so this is one example.

00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:59.800
 So it is covering that aspect which staff and perhaps council members and mobility community

00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:03.680
 members are also observing during the community engagement meetings.

00:40:03.680 --> 00:40:08.960
 More and more we are getting, staff is getting requests about the community member, well,

00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.520
 the drivers are not following the stop sign.

00:40:11.520 --> 00:40:13.680
 So add another stop sign.

00:40:13.680 --> 00:40:24.720
 But the idea is about awareness and education on how important it is to follow these signages.

00:40:24.720 --> 00:40:31.960
 And many other behavioral aspects could be covered through objective 1C talks about prioritizing

00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:35.000
 funding for the safety improvements.

00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:41.480
 And of course the selected strategies in that city must apply for these fundings and look

00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:45.320
 for these opportunities wherever they are.

00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:50.520
 Then look at, so again we are on the theme 1 of mobility plan which is about prioritizing

00:40:50.520 --> 00:40:55.440
 safety and the goal 7, there were two goals in the theme 1.

00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:01.340
 And the 7th goal is utilize the complete street approach when improving Denton streets.

00:41:01.340 --> 00:41:04.360
 So that is a goal, goal 7.

00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:11.480
 Again we look at comprehensive plan, the goal M3 is about, all about safety.

00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:19.280
 So it is emphasizing that provide, make, ensure that the travel experience for all road users,

00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:26.760
 all road users including auto, bicyclist, pedestrian and any other, now we can add micro

00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:31.920
 mobility users as well in our new update to the mobility plan and comprehensive plan mobility

00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:32.920
 component.

00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:39.000
 So again going to objective 7A, it talks about create a transportation network for mobility

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.060
 needs of all residents.

00:41:41.060 --> 00:41:50.400
 So what it is suggesting is that when we are designing the facilities, we should have and

00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:56.960
 rightfully so our street sections, they cover that aspect where we have multi-use path that

00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:02.880
 could cover bicyclist and pedestrian as a standard for our street cross sections.

00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:10.600
 And then we have sufficient capacity that is level of based on defined on level of service.

00:42:10.600 --> 00:42:16.880
 And then we are also connecting multimodal aspects that okay if these users are pedestrian,

00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:23.200
 they are traveling to certain transit station or stop or certain use, land use, we ensure

00:42:23.200 --> 00:42:24.440
 that they are connected.

00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:34.200
 They are not, they don't have these sidewalks or multi-use paths that are not going anywhere.

00:42:34.200 --> 00:42:40.460
 So I think that is the aspect which objective 7A is highlighting.

00:42:40.460 --> 00:42:48.040
 Objective 7B is highlighting that preserve the character of our residential neighborhoods.

00:42:48.040 --> 00:42:54.520
 So that ties to existing and developed neighborhood and how we can, how the new developments may

00:42:54.520 --> 00:42:59.240
 not impact their character and how their character could be preserved.

00:42:59.240 --> 00:43:04.140
 And in many cases, community members have to be part of that process as well.

00:43:04.140 --> 00:43:09.080
 And staff has observed that as well in many cases when staff goes for any improvements

00:43:09.080 --> 00:43:10.840
 or present any improvements.

00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.240
 In many cases, community members provide the opinion that we do not want many changes in

00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:16.240
 the community.

00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:18.240
 So I think that is part of the process.

00:43:18.240 --> 00:43:30.500
 And then when it comes to outcomes, staff is planning to present in the next slide how

00:43:30.500 --> 00:43:35.560
 this whole process worked for us when it comes to fiscal year 2024.

00:43:35.560 --> 00:43:43.160
 And did we do enough effort to ensure that we are following comprehensive plan guidelines

00:43:43.160 --> 00:43:51.160
 and mobility plan, are we achieving the objectives set and goals set by mobility plan?

00:43:51.160 --> 00:43:55.660
 Some of the initiatives include citywide, some of the citywide initiatives include that

00:43:55.660 --> 00:44:06.380
 vision zero phase two implementation plan, which is in line with the goal one of mobility

00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:07.380
 plan.

00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:13.120
 And then it also is in line with goal M3 of comprehensive mobility plan component.

00:44:13.120 --> 00:44:20.360
 Several road safety AD implementations have been done and the details have been provided

00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.280
 in the last report provided by the staff.

00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:28.400
 And multiple mobility plan amendments were approved during the last year in fiscal year

00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:29.400
 2024.

00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:36.960
 Bicycle pedestrian project prioritization is in place, the process is in place, and staff

00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:42.200
 has developed the criteria and now we are developing the prioritized list.

00:44:42.200 --> 00:44:54.040
 And traffic operations, the staff implemented a lot of signal installation, retrofits and

00:44:54.040 --> 00:44:59.080
 operational improvements, signages, all of those details are provided in the report.

00:44:59.080 --> 00:45:05.520
 And these projects were used by city provided funds in many cases with grants.

00:45:05.520 --> 00:45:10.880
 And of course this city management's guidance was there as well in prioritizing these projects

00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.960
 and ensuring that we are implementing those.

00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:23.560
 And on the award side, one of the objectives stated that city should seek funds for transportation

00:45:23.560 --> 00:45:25.360
 or mobility projects.

00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:31.560
 And transportation services division has been proactively looking for funds.

00:45:31.560 --> 00:45:41.080
 And in fiscal year 2024, transportation services is applied for about $120 million worth of

00:45:41.080 --> 00:45:45.120
 federal, state and local grants funding for the transportation projects.

00:45:45.120 --> 00:45:55.240
 And 90%, I would say, with confidence that 90% of the projects had bike pad component

00:45:55.240 --> 00:45:59.000
 in all of them and safety components in all of the projects that we applied.

00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:05.000
 One reason is that the federal guidelines are asked to include these components to ensure

00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:06.660
 that we are covering all modes.

00:46:06.660 --> 00:46:13.200
 But another aspect is that as a city staff and then based on council's priority, city

00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:18.560
 staff is putting this as a priority.

00:46:18.560 --> 00:46:26.160
 I would not go through all these awards that we have received, but USDOT SS4A awards boils

00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:32.240
 down to around $4 million that we have applied and have been awarded as well.

00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:38.600
 And we are also looking at FEMA-based grant to apply for collaborative funding.

00:46:38.600 --> 00:46:42.440
 With that grant, we are preparing the grant right now.

00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.960
 We are looking at the methods and analyses.

00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:50.960
 But it will cover comprehensive plan update that is coming next year, will be kicked off.

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:57.760
 And then transit 2.0, demographic synthesis for city of Denton.

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.600
 And then last, it will also cover trails master plan.

00:47:00.600 --> 00:47:05.160
 This project will be a collaborative effort between planning division, transportation

00:47:05.160 --> 00:47:08.120
 services and parks and rec department.

00:47:08.120 --> 00:47:14.880
 So three departments are joining forces to spearhead this.

00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.920
 And many other fundings, these are listed here.

00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:23.460
 If any questions, staff would be happy to address those.

00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:29.720
 And I must say that out of $120 million that we applied, so far we have been awarded around

00:47:29.720 --> 00:47:33.520
 $45 million.

00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:42.160
 And for the mobility, when it comes to goal two, which is maintain a state of good repair

00:47:42.160 --> 00:47:49.360
 on Denton streets, the first, again, it aligns with comprehensive plan goal M3.

00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:58.360
 And then the objectives, there are two objectives, 2A and 2B, to implement policies that encourage

00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:05.320
 and accommodate all users while maintaining the efficiency of the circulation system.

00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:11.000
 And so it is covering the aspect of traffic congestion and trying to address that there

00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:18.280
 should be multiple choices to the road users, not only in terms of road choices or route

00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:24.880
 choices, but also more choices in terms of if a person wants to go to a certain destination

00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:32.500
 by walking, by bike, by bus or by auto trip, via auto trip.

00:48:32.500 --> 00:48:37.000
 So I think all those choices should be available and through efficient circulation, the traffic

00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.880
 congestion should be addressed.

00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:44.760
 And construct street improvement and apply congestion management tools to obtain efficient

00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:46.840
 performance of the transport system.

00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:53.600
 Again, it is emphasizing on congestion management system, which is pointing towards the game

00:48:53.600 --> 00:49:03.700
 theory of better route choice or travel time, which goes on for every driver on the road.

00:49:03.700 --> 00:49:08.020
 Everybody wants to get from their origin to destination in the shortest possible time,

00:49:08.020 --> 00:49:13.680
 but at the same time, there are traffic operations things, there are route options, which option

00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:14.680
 will be better.

00:49:14.680 --> 00:49:25.440
 So I think this staff is observing this in perspective of these objectives and aligning

00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.560
 it with the comprehensive plan, mobility plan objectives, and then further strategies on

00:49:29.560 --> 00:49:32.960
 how these can be implemented.

00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:39.640
 And then goal three, which is perhaps the last goal that will be covered, even though

00:49:39.640 --> 00:49:45.800
 the theme two covers goal two, three, four, five, six, and perhaps seven as well.

00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.440
 Let me go back and check very quickly.

00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:52.800
 Yeah, so it covers two, three, four, five, and six.

00:49:52.800 --> 00:50:01.400
 So it covers five goals, but due to time limitations, staff is covering only objectives three A

00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:05.680
 and three B, and then we can cover them later on if needed.

00:50:05.680 --> 00:50:18.240
 And so fiscal year 2024, 25 outcomes for goals two and three, staff has been engaged in stakeholder

00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:25.260
 coordination within Texas and also out of Texas as well.

00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:31.280
 On federal level, we have monthly meetings with Federal Highway Administration, FTA,

00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:37.040
 and NHTSA whenever there is a meeting scheduled with them.

00:50:37.040 --> 00:50:49.040
 And then we are also in touch with USDOJ for ADA, and also board of, I think it's board

00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:52.080
 for ADA that we are in touch with.

00:50:52.080 --> 00:51:00.200
 And then there is regular monthly meeting with Tech Start, DCTA, Denton Cowdy, and then

00:51:00.200 --> 00:51:01.200
 NCTCOG.

00:51:01.200 --> 00:51:07.840
 At NCTCOG, staff is representing at S-TECH, which is main source of all planning efforts

00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.600
 in the region, and staff is there to present city's interest.

00:51:12.600 --> 00:51:18.000
 And then also staff is also attending RTC with Councilmember Gilgestra.

00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:26.320
 And for the ADA, as I mentioned, USDOJ, US Access Board, and Tech Start,

00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:35.080
 we are continuously meeting with them and then also ensuring that city's complying to all the requirements set forth by them.

00:51:35.080 --> 00:51:41.440
 Recently, City of Denton got three years compliance on ADA with Tech Start and

00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:49.200
 USDOT, and we are also now in communication with Tech Start and USDOT to ensure that we

00:51:49.200 --> 00:51:53.060
 prepare for next three years compliance as well.

00:51:53.060 --> 00:52:09.280
 And so the transportation planning process can be defined in very connected approach,

00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:14.640
 in a connected approach where we rely on our standard planning documents or references,

00:52:14.640 --> 00:52:20.720
 including comprehensive plan, including mobility plan, and last but not least, our criteria

00:52:20.720 --> 00:52:21.720
 manuals.

00:52:21.720 --> 00:52:28.120
 And this will ensure that we are aligned with our plans, long term plans.

00:52:28.120 --> 00:52:37.600
 And then we have a collective vision for implementing things in city, and understandably there could

00:52:37.600 --> 00:52:45.040
 be some initiatives which could be need-based or urgent, based on urgent needs.

00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:51.720
 But in general, staff recommends that we generally align our major initiatives with mobility

00:52:51.720 --> 00:52:59.960
 plan and comprehensive plan, how they are prioritizing things, and then we align our

00:52:59.960 --> 00:53:02.120
 initiatives based on those.

00:53:02.120 --> 00:53:13.360
 And that is one way of achieving resilient future and a livable city for all.

00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:18.320
 I always feel just so much more highly educated when you speak.

00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.280
 That was some good information.

00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:24.560
 I had a couple of questions.

00:53:24.560 --> 00:53:31.200
 Advanced air mobility, $2 million, what does that do for us in terms of whatever advanced

00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:36.160
 air mobility is, and what can $2 million do for us?

00:53:36.160 --> 00:53:43.360
 Yes, so this advanced air mobility was an opportunity for city to lead this effort in

00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:45.000
 Dallas Fort Worth region.

00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:52.720
 There's an initiative by US federal government where the federal government is looking for

00:53:52.720 --> 00:53:58.480
 locations in the US where these projects could be test piloted.

00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:05.360
 And this advanced air mobility, they will be pilot projects, but those projects will

00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:11.200
 be decided based on the city's readiness, local jurisdictions readiness.

00:54:11.200 --> 00:54:14.760
 This $2 million project was timely for city of Denton.

00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:22.920
 We applied ahead of many other cities, and in partnership with NCTCOG and Tech Start.

00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:29.560
 And what it means is that city of Denton would be looking at developing comprehensive plan

00:54:29.560 --> 00:54:36.560
 for advanced air mobility initiative, how it will start, what the planning stages would

00:54:36.560 --> 00:54:42.480
 be, what kind of technologies would be tested, and how it has five components.

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:48.080
 When staff drafted this proposal, economic development was a major piece into it because

00:54:48.080 --> 00:54:57.220
 via advanced air mobility, staff recognizes that most of the users, most of the end users

00:54:57.220 --> 00:55:06.720
 would be warehouses, and these companies such as Amazon or FedEx or DHL and many others.

00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:13.200
 So this presents a golden opportunity for city to plan ahead and ensure that when the

00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:20.400
 pilot project starts by the US federal government, we will be ready and we'll be one of the locations.

00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:28.000
 I just happened to be on a new member of the economic development team, and we were talking

00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:36.040
 about the advanced air drones, how we're going to be more centric in air transportation and

00:55:36.040 --> 00:55:37.040
 delivery.

00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:38.040
 Yes.

00:55:38.040 --> 00:55:43.760
 And what you're saying basically is that we're preparing to do all of that, being prepared

00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:48.080
 for drones or things like that.

00:55:48.080 --> 00:55:49.080
 Is that what that means?

00:55:49.080 --> 00:55:50.080
 Yes.

00:55:50.080 --> 00:55:51.080
 I'm talking about on a kindergarten level.

00:55:51.080 --> 00:55:52.080
 Yes, that's what it means.

00:55:52.080 --> 00:55:58.600
 And essentially it is not only warehouses, it is access to first response, medical side

00:55:58.600 --> 00:56:09.440
 of things, to taking access to hospitals and creating multiple modes that would be just

00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:15.280
 like we have mobility as a service, Uber, Lyft, there could be services that would bypass

00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.880
 congestion in future and provide fastest routes.

00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:23.740
 And all those possibilities would be there, but we cannot be there overnight.

00:56:23.740 --> 00:56:29.400
 We have to prepare for that, and this $2 million will help us understand.

00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:30.400
 That's great.

00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:31.400
 I love that.

00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:41.320
 And then my other question is going to our entity that's probably closest to us, DCTA.

00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:42.320
 You know what?

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:47.240
 I'm going to be honest and say I've never been to a DCTA meeting, I haven't been on

00:56:47.240 --> 00:56:50.200
 the board or anything like that.

00:56:50.200 --> 00:57:00.040
 When we're sitting down with DCTA, how is our, I mean, explain a little bit more about

00:57:00.040 --> 00:57:06.280
 that multimodal improvement, just talk to us about what that looks like, funding and

00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:07.280
 all of that.

00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:12.760
 We have a very collaborative process with DCTA, and staff meets with DCTA every month

00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:20.360
 with their planning and operation staff, and also staff also attends the board meetings.

00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:29.920
 So there are multimodal efforts that both DCTA and City of Denton are doing in collaboration.

00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:31.700
 One example is TRIP.

00:57:31.700 --> 00:57:38.160
 So in case of TRIP, we receive at least $4 million to $5 million every year from DCTA,

00:57:38.160 --> 00:57:45.080
 and staff and DCTA staff work together to develop projects that are multimodal enhancements

00:57:45.080 --> 00:57:46.080
 based.

00:57:46.080 --> 00:57:53.080
 And those projects are purely for cities improvements to ensure that we are providing improvements

00:57:53.080 --> 00:58:01.640
 for multimodal access to transit, and they include walkability, pedestrian, bike path,

00:58:01.640 --> 00:58:03.880
 and overall other access as well.

00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:10.800
 As part of the TRIP project, we have also been able to get one of the signals installed.

00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.520
 It's that collaborative effort.

00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:20.560
 And on other fronts, we are also part of their strategic planning process as well.

00:58:20.560 --> 00:58:25.440
 We sit in meetings together to discuss future projects.

00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:34.400
 And lastly, we have been, based on last meeting, we are discussing some initiatives that City

00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.800
 of Denton and DCTA would launch together.

00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:42.960
 So there are a lot of collaborative avenues, and we have a very good partnership with DCTA.

00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:43.960
 Thank you.

00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:44.960
 Thank you.

00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:45.960
 Anyone else have any other questions?

00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:46.960
 Please.

00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:47.960
 Yes.

00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:54.160
 I had another question, but the advanced air mobility as it pertains to medical.

00:58:54.160 --> 00:58:58.800
 Tell me what that looks like, even in its infancy.

00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:05.040
 So typical air mobility would need a landing and takeoff pad that would require at least

00:59:05.040 --> 00:59:08.040
 a kilometer of runway.

00:59:08.040 --> 00:59:13.840
 In case of advanced air mobility, these are hovering aircraft, and they just take off.

00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:21.180
 It's called EVTOL, Electricity Based Vertical Takeoff.

00:59:21.180 --> 00:59:25.280
 So it just does not need a lot of landing or takeoff space.

00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.580
 It just takes off from where the equipment is and takes off vertically.

00:59:30.580 --> 00:59:32.440
 And so that's the edge.

00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.640
 So when it comes to, imagine there's an incident on a freeway.

00:59:37.640 --> 00:59:44.880
 And now the first response need would be either a chopper, which is relatively slower speed,

00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:47.520
 but that is an extreme case.

00:59:47.520 --> 00:59:55.280
 But in regular cases, it would be an ambulance trying to access the site through congested

00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:56.280
 freeway.

00:59:56.280 --> 01:00:04.520
 In this case, this EVTOL could be approaching to the scene, and as long as we can provide,

01:00:04.520 --> 01:00:06.720
 that could be created.

01:00:06.720 --> 01:00:14.720
 That EVTOL would rush and can land and pick up the victims and take them within minutes

01:00:14.720 --> 01:00:17.960
 to the first response and to hospital.

01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:19.640
 That's an extreme example.

01:00:19.640 --> 01:00:28.160
 In some cases, this could be provided if, let's say, a surgeon is needed within 30 minutes

01:00:28.160 --> 01:00:31.680
 for a patient who is in a critical condition.

01:00:31.680 --> 01:00:38.240
 And the surgeon is on the other part of the city, and that surgeon could be lifted from

01:00:38.240 --> 01:00:42.800
 another EVTOL location, which is typically called Bertie Port.

01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:47.240
 And if city of Denton and Dallas and some other cities have Bertie Ports, they could

01:00:47.240 --> 01:00:52.800
 be lifted and directly taken to the hospital.

01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:53.800
 That's one example.

01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.320
 But there are many other uses.

01:00:56.320 --> 01:01:02.320
 Organs could be transported, and the list goes on.

01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:06.640
 That in my mind was what I was thinking, but I didn't think that that was going to be a

01:01:06.640 --> 01:01:08.640
 real thing.

01:01:08.640 --> 01:01:16.080
 Having a human being on an Amazon thing and shipping them around, that's almost cadence.

01:01:16.080 --> 01:01:18.600
 We're not going to drop them on the cable, Joe.

01:01:18.600 --> 01:01:19.600
 No.

01:01:19.600 --> 01:01:20.600
 It will be EVTOL.

01:01:20.600 --> 01:01:25.520
 It will still be, I think, even though they could be autonomous.

01:01:25.520 --> 01:01:30.240
 But in the early stages, they will be human operated.

01:01:30.240 --> 01:01:32.920
 But yes, I totally see that.

01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:39.320
 As a matter of fact, right now at DFW Airport, we have autonomous loop that just keeps going

01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:43.320
 around on the airport terminals, and no drivers run it, right?

01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:44.560
 No engineers run it.

01:01:44.560 --> 01:01:51.400
 So I think the same way it could be achieved, autonomous EVTOLs are there in the future.

01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.440
 In near future, by the way, it's like 10, 15 years away.

01:01:55.440 --> 01:02:01.280
 But this is a golden opportunity for city to kickstart the process, the planning process,

01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:08.200
 understand one of the components of this proposal was understanding the technology piece.

01:02:08.200 --> 01:02:17.560
 And we have collaborated with UNT professors and SMU to get a better understanding of that.

01:02:17.560 --> 01:02:18.560
 Okay.

01:02:18.560 --> 01:02:30.080
 Now, my real question was, is the electric scooter thing enough of a category to be considered

01:02:30.080 --> 01:02:31.360
 yet?

01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:35.680
 Yes, it's a micro mobility option.

01:02:35.680 --> 01:02:42.280
 The thing that intrigues me about those is that they, speaking as the operator, they're

01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:49.640
 pedestrians until they want to get into the main street, and now they're vehicles.

01:02:49.640 --> 01:02:57.840
 Bicycles in Texas are considered motor vehicles, although that's an oxymoron, but I'm just

01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:02.160
 wondering, is there a category for electric scooters?

01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:05.320
 I see kids riding them, grownups, the whole thing.

01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:11.360
 These are micro mobility modes, but when it comes to regulating them in terms of registration

01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:16.760
 and citing any violations, that work is still undergoing.

01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:22.720
 And in many jurisdictions, in some jurisdictions, there are rules and regulations in place in

01:03:22.720 --> 01:03:24.960
 the US, but not a lot.

01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:30.840
 But this work is continuing, and in the near future, there will be some, there's a possibility

01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.120
 that there will be some regulations, in particular for street use.

01:03:35.120 --> 01:03:36.120
 Interesting.

01:03:36.120 --> 01:03:37.120
 Interesting.

01:03:37.120 --> 01:03:38.120
 Okay.

01:03:38.120 --> 01:03:39.120
 Thank you.

01:03:39.120 --> 01:03:40.120
 Thank you, Chair.

01:03:40.120 --> 01:03:41.120
 Dr. Bate?

01:03:41.120 --> 01:03:42.120
 Thank you.

01:03:42.120 --> 01:03:43.120
 Yeah.

01:03:43.120 --> 01:03:51.480
 I mean, with the EV, Greensense rebates, we've watched the number of EVs triple in Denton,

01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:56.360
 and they drive around like motorcycles rather than like bicycles.

01:03:56.360 --> 01:04:04.040
 Just as an anecdote to Councilor Holland's point, I want to start off with, I love that

01:04:04.040 --> 01:04:08.560
 while you've been doing a lot of analysis, you're not really getting into the analysis

01:04:08.560 --> 01:04:13.560
 paralysis per se, you're fairly action, I'm glad you're on the slide, you're fairly action

01:04:13.560 --> 01:04:15.440
 biased, which is great.

01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.080
 I really love that.

01:04:18.080 --> 01:04:22.600
 I encourage you to stay action biased as much as possible.

01:04:22.600 --> 01:04:28.000
 It gets really challenging to, you want to make 10 year plans and then not really get

01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.000
 anything done.

01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:33.720
 I appreciate that you're getting some things done, because that's a common complaint in

01:04:33.720 --> 01:04:40.800
 communication with the citizenry that, you know, what are we actually doing boots on

01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.280
 the ground?

01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:49.520
 And so, but I mean, again, that takes me to my direct question is, and a lot of our objectives,

01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:57.440
 we want to do a thing, you talked about education and enforcement, and I think that remains

01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:01.320
 and probably will always remain a perennial barrier.

01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:07.760
 So part of this first question is, what are we doing in terms of communication?

01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:16.200
 And especially, what are we doing in terms of communication during times of transition?

01:05:16.200 --> 01:05:21.200
 One of the biggest communication barriers that I'm seeing is, as we try to implement

01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:28.000
 vertical ports and more sidewalks and safe routes to school and road improvement, some

01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:34.920
 of that is creates unintended consequence problems because the citizens don't know what you're

01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:38.560
 up to, and then they bang into your changes.

01:05:38.560 --> 01:05:44.360
 Even though your changes are awesome, the citizens don't think of them as awesome, because

01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:46.440
 they don't understand what's going on.

01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:55.080
 So talk a little bit about that education component that you're up to, especially during

01:05:55.080 --> 01:05:56.920
 transitional moments.

01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:05.320
 So when it comes to, there are two components, as you highlighted, first, all of these awards,

01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.000
 they're highly competitive.

01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:14.960
 So it's not just us who are trying to do implementation-based work as staff, but if we don't do it, we will

01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:15.960
 not be selected.

01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:21.320
 So I think that is part of the requirement by federal government and state, that what

01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:22.320
 is the outcome?

01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:28.600
 Show us that, and not only in words, but by analysis and by methods that you are going

01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:29.600
 to use.

01:06:29.600 --> 01:06:35.120
 So they are highly criticized, and highly, we have at least three, four review sessions

01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:37.360
 with them before these gets approved.

01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:42.960
 So there's a lot of technical analysis work is behind them, which staff does.

01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:48.040
 In each of these cases, because imagine 50 states, jurisdiction from all 50 states are

01:06:48.040 --> 01:06:49.040
 applying for that.

01:06:49.040 --> 01:06:52.680
 So why they select us, because we have to stand on merit.

01:06:52.680 --> 01:06:58.920
 The second question about the processes, there are two parts to that.

01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:03.680
 One is planning side of things that we don't miss the opportunities, and that's where you

01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:07.320
 will see mobility plan update coming.

01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:13.920
 We will be making education awareness as one of the focus areas and re-strategize as part

01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:18.120
 of that, and see how practically we can improve things.

01:07:18.120 --> 01:07:24.600
 We will look at enforcement awareness campaigns, and campaigns from the city side, and many

01:07:24.600 --> 01:07:26.880
 other things.

01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:28.160
 So that is the planning side.

01:07:28.160 --> 01:07:32.760
 We are covering mobility plan update, we are covering comprehensive plan update, we are

01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:41.800
 covering ADA transition plan update, and we are covering active transportation plan update

01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:43.640
 through federal dollars.

01:07:43.640 --> 01:07:49.280
 All of this will be federal dollars, except minor local matches, and we are trying to

01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.040
 get funds for those as well.

01:07:51.040 --> 01:07:52.480
 So that is the planning side of things.

01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:56.720
 We have to look for these opportunities, we cannot just be focused on implementation,

01:07:56.720 --> 01:08:02.340
 but if we are not focusing on planning side of things, our implementation may be impacted.

01:08:02.340 --> 01:08:08.360
 So we have covered that as staff, and under the guidance of city management, we are putting

01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:09.640
 effort towards that.

01:08:09.640 --> 01:08:12.120
 Now comes the implementation side.

01:08:12.120 --> 01:08:17.600
 So there are opportunities from the funds available, from city's funds, where we can

01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:19.360
 do only so much.

01:08:19.360 --> 01:08:26.580
 And we have been putting, I would say we were negative in last year, so we put so much money.

01:08:26.580 --> 01:08:33.000
 So we had to implement things, and whatever came our way in prioritized format, we implemented

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.040
 all of them.

01:08:34.040 --> 01:08:39.520
 So the funds allocated to transportation services were, at least in safety and ADA side, we

01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:42.020
 went, we were very close to be negative.

01:08:42.020 --> 01:08:49.600
 So we spent all that, and on top of that, we had funding from grants, which we are using.

01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:55.480
 As a second step, so that is city's provided funds that we have, and we are utilizing them,

01:08:55.480 --> 01:09:00.600
 and more and more now we are prioritizing them as well, and not reacting to requests,

01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.720
 but asking ourselves that, what is the strategy here?

01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:08.880
 Are we covering this as part of a larger expansion project two years down the road?

01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:12.640
 If we are covering, hold this budget, because this will be wasted then.

01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:15.280
 Otherwise, we'll be spending money again.

01:09:15.280 --> 01:09:20.280
 Then the second step is that we are reaching out to our external partners, and CityCog,

01:09:20.280 --> 01:09:27.320
 for example, Western Transportation Corridor, we have been awarded $5 million to implement

01:09:27.320 --> 01:09:28.320
 it.

01:09:28.320 --> 01:09:36.720
 That is an expansion that would look at bike pad component of it, and accessibility component

01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:42.320
 of it, ADA transition, sorry, ADA compliance component of it, and expansion of lane.

01:09:42.320 --> 01:09:49.320
 So that is, so we, as staff, we are not submitting projects for external opportunities for implementation,

01:09:49.320 --> 01:09:51.640
 which are just focused on one mode.

01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:55.600
 Whenever we are submitting projects, those projects have all these components.

01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:57.520
 They are prioritized as well.

01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:03.080
 We discussed with CIP, we sit with city management, city manager's office, and transportation

01:10:03.080 --> 01:10:07.160
 services, and we decide that, okay, Western Transportation Corridor, we don't have funds,

01:10:07.160 --> 01:10:09.160
 we need to prioritize this.

01:10:09.160 --> 01:10:13.320
 Another example is East Windsor Connector.

01:10:13.320 --> 01:10:19.480
 That was prioritized through multiple meetings with Tech Start, and then we, as part of SS4A

01:10:19.480 --> 01:10:28.280
 2024, which has been awarded $740,000, we again put money towards demonstration project,

01:10:28.280 --> 01:10:30.880
 and that is one of our demonstration projects.

01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.280
 And the list goes on.

01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:40.040
 Again, staff has submitted, set aside grant for $15.6 million to Tech Start, and that

01:10:40.040 --> 01:10:49.360
 is also part of, has comprehensive trails and walkability and multimodal components

01:10:49.360 --> 01:10:50.360
 into that.

01:10:50.360 --> 01:10:54.160
 So staff is covering all aspects as much as possible.

01:10:54.160 --> 01:10:58.760
 So just as a follow-up, and then I'm done, I'm going to encourage you to continue to

01:10:58.760 --> 01:10:59.760
 do all those things.

01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:01.520
 That was great.

01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:08.160
 To the extent that we possibly can, again, in front of the communication, so folks in

01:11:08.160 --> 01:11:15.280
 the community are aware, it's not specific to our transportation services, a human problem

01:11:15.280 --> 01:11:20.880
 of how do you make your citizens aware, so, but I think that would go a long way because

01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:27.620
 people absorb when they understand better, they complain a lot less, they facilitate

01:11:27.620 --> 01:11:31.480
 their own actions when they're aware of the changes a lot more.

01:11:31.480 --> 01:11:39.240
 So I'm going to be pushing a lot of proactive, outward-facing communication with our citizens.

01:11:39.240 --> 01:11:44.880
 But I wonder if there's not an opportunity for some passive communication, and by passive

01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:50.320
 communication I mean engineering approaches, when you put bumps in the roads or you put

01:11:50.320 --> 01:11:55.800
 signage or you otherwise put engineering, I think one of the later elements is sort

01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:59.200
 of engineering approaches, bollards and bump outs and things.

01:11:59.200 --> 01:12:03.080
 You're communicating with the citizens what you want them to do, but you're not requiring

01:12:03.080 --> 01:12:08.040
 a stakeholder engagement meeting, which takes a lot of time, you're putting that out there

01:12:08.040 --> 01:12:13.200
 to make it much more clear with signage, with engineering approaches, what the citizens

01:12:13.200 --> 01:12:14.200
 should do.

01:12:14.200 --> 01:12:20.720
 It is a lot about expectation management, so the more we can increase expectation management

01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:32.560
 in our community, the more you'll be even more successful.

01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:34.320
 Thank you so much for this report.

01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:42.000
 This is just so encouraging, and I just, to add on with what Dr. Beck said as well, one

01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:49.000
 of the things I was just, I have a similar, I see a similar opportunity, my background

01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:55.960
 is in marketing and web design and all that kind of stuff, and so looking at the hub right

01:12:55.960 --> 01:13:02.120
 now on the city website for the mobility plan, it's just kind of links to documents, and

01:13:02.120 --> 01:13:05.200
 I know we've got the Discover Denton site, or, is it the-

01:13:05.200 --> 01:13:06.200
 Discuss Denton.

01:13:06.200 --> 01:13:07.200
 Discuss Denton.

01:13:07.200 --> 01:13:09.240
 That's what I have here.

01:13:09.240 --> 01:13:14.480
 I just think that there's potential for some really creative and even kind of fun ways

01:13:14.480 --> 01:13:21.320
 to, number one, toot our own horn, like look at what our city is doing for us.

01:13:21.320 --> 01:13:24.160
 This is incredible work.

01:13:24.160 --> 01:13:30.760
 I think there's got to be some cool creative ways for us to promote the incredible work

01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:37.040
 that our staff is doing, whether that's through social media or get them on a podcast or do

01:13:37.040 --> 01:13:45.440
 an interview, but then even as, in the meantime, in the report you did, the semi-annual report,

01:13:45.440 --> 01:13:51.520
 I think, Beck, that you did in September or August, there's like 20 pages of awesome small

01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:57.160
 little projects that you guys did with picture evidence that, you know, I'm taking screen

01:13:57.160 --> 01:14:00.080
 grabs and sharing that to my friends.

01:14:00.080 --> 01:14:01.960
 Those I think could be promoted.

01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:07.120
 I'm wondering, in the meantime, while we're doing these really big goals for Denton, which

01:14:07.120 --> 01:14:11.560
 I think also need to be explained and help people that are going to be here for a long

01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:16.400
 time feel excited about those big changes, I would encourage staff to maybe think about

01:14:16.400 --> 01:14:23.920
 having some way to have like a small projects tracker or kind of like a running, I don't

01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:27.720
 know, list of just kind of like look at all these cool things that we're doing.

01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:33.240
 I think that that builds that goodwill and who knows, you might get like thank you cards

01:14:33.240 --> 01:14:37.960
 from kids or residents if they're like, wow, you guys did that.

01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:42.080
 And the other thing I was wondering about too is, you know, as we see these kind of

01:14:42.080 --> 01:14:47.320
 smaller projects, I know we want to think big, but in the meantime, we've got, we do,

01:14:47.320 --> 01:14:50.960
 our residents do see need and they do want quick action.

01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:56.320
 When I think about like our parks department, how we've got volunteer days to come out and

01:14:56.320 --> 01:15:00.560
 do things at our parks where we've got the tree give Arbor Day or whatever.

01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:06.040
 We've got these big kind of collaborative opportunities for that department.

01:15:06.040 --> 01:15:11.920
 I'm wondering, is there any way we, as we're looking at this, can we create sort of a citizen

01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:19.280
 mobility bootcamp or citizen mobility volunteer group that if we see, hey, we'd like to paint

01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:25.000
 out, you know, an intersection near a school with some colorful bump outs and we've all

01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:29.160
 the city, maybe the city, you know, does the work to draw it up, buy the paint, but then

01:15:29.160 --> 01:15:32.600
 as far as the actual labor, we've got a team of volunteers.

01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:38.520
 I feel like this is, if any community could get volunteers to paint or to put something

01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:42.160
 in a road, I feel like Denton is that community.

01:15:42.160 --> 01:15:46.840
 Is that something that has been thought through as we're working on these really long term

01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:48.960
 goals?

01:15:48.960 --> 01:16:01.080
 And look for city manager's office for guidance, but from professional standpoint, it ties

01:16:01.080 --> 01:16:06.400
 to maintainability and resources and how many examples we can set.

01:16:06.400 --> 01:16:12.720
 But of course, when the paint weathers out, how we ensure that it is not a hazard.

01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:17.360
 So I think all of those questions come from professional standpoint.

01:16:17.360 --> 01:16:24.480
 We have to look for that when it comes to standards, they caution us on doing so.

01:16:24.480 --> 01:16:27.720
 I'll just add, but it, but it feels good.

01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:31.920
 Like even if it's something where, okay, maybe in two years we'll have an issue with the

01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:37.320
 paint, but from a marketing point of view, from just a goodwill point of view, great

01:16:37.320 --> 01:16:41.640
 photo op, great way to get our community involved, to feel like they're a part of the solution,

01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:46.400
 to feel like they're right now in the past four or five years, people are looking for

01:16:46.400 --> 01:16:47.400
 a connection.

01:16:47.400 --> 01:16:50.560
 They want to be a part of the solutions in our town.

01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:54.480
 They're ready to get down and dirty and paint stuff or install things.

01:16:54.480 --> 01:17:00.440
 I know we've got standards, obviously we'd want to surpass those standards, but just

01:17:00.440 --> 01:17:04.000
 throwing that out there that we've got lots of people that I think would love to help

01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:07.080
 in any way, even if it's just distributing information.

01:17:07.080 --> 01:17:14.760
 One avenue where staff request is community engagement process or community awareness.

01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:17.440
 As I said, two sides of equation.

01:17:17.440 --> 01:17:22.960
 If something could be done, that is the avenue where we can put a major dent into a big problem,

01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:24.040
 bigger problem.

01:17:24.040 --> 01:17:29.720
 And the problem is that we have infrastructure in place, we have stop signs, we have posted

01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:30.840
 speed signs.

01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:34.200
 And if the community members are not following that, it becomes a bigger problem.

01:17:34.200 --> 01:17:39.560
 So if we want to do some initiative like that, staff would recommend that we put some efforts

01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:45.240
 towards awareness and education and awareness campaigns through council members and mobility

01:17:45.240 --> 01:17:49.560
 committee members help and CMO can, of course, provide more guidance.

01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:56.240
 I think it's an interesting idea and we'll definitely take it back and brainstorm some

01:17:56.240 --> 01:17:57.240
 ideas.

01:17:57.240 --> 01:18:04.960
 I think we do have a citizen academy that we encourage folks to attend and it's not

01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:10.440
 just mobility focus, but it's all departments and so we can we've talked about maybe adding

01:18:10.440 --> 01:18:15.200
 some type of project component to to your point about getting people involved a little

01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:16.880
 bit more.

01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:19.280
 But we'll take your feedback and see what we can come up with.

01:18:19.280 --> 01:18:20.280
 So thank you.

01:18:20.280 --> 01:18:24.840
 Isn't that wonderful to see that your words can come to life?

01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:25.840
 That's pretty awesome.

01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.520
 Did you have anything else?

01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:35.880
 Hey, I wanted to add discuss didn't you were noting that I think that even as council members,

01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:44.040
 we can do a better job of reminding folks to go to discuss didn't and find those projects

01:18:44.040 --> 01:18:45.960
 that they were concerned about.

01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:50.400
 And I understand it discussed it and keeps up with that pretty well much.

01:18:50.400 --> 01:18:52.160
 So thank you for that.

01:18:52.160 --> 01:18:54.320
 And I'll make sure that I'm at the end of every meeting.

01:18:54.320 --> 01:19:00.120
 If I can remember, I need to write it down, then I can make note of discussed in the 311,

01:19:00.120 --> 01:19:03.320
 you know, and those are the things that we can get to quickly.

01:19:03.320 --> 01:19:09.960
 Okay, so we're going to move down to MC 25052 staff memorandum.

01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:12.840
 First one is Eva Street parking follow up.

01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:18.680
 Did anyone have any information or any any concerns about the Eva Street parking follow

01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:19.760
 up?

01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:27.840
 I'm just going to ask if staff could just stay aware of this, this this hasn't gone

01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:28.840
 away.

01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.040
 I take the point that was in there.

01:19:31.040 --> 01:19:40.040
 It remains a an itchy lack of satisfaction point in in the Evers area community.

01:19:40.040 --> 01:19:47.960
 I take steps point that it is in our with our priority of safety over other elements,

01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:51.240
 and I don't want to break that at all.

01:19:51.240 --> 01:19:56.960
 But just it to the extent that you could put some some background brain cells on that and

01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.240
 continue to monitor that a little bit.

01:19:59.240 --> 01:20:02.000
 If there's opportunities, you mentioned some possible opportunities.

01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:07.080
 Yes, please keep your eye on those possible opportunities because it remains a sore point

01:20:07.080 --> 01:20:08.080
 in the community.

01:20:08.080 --> 01:20:09.080
 Sure.

01:20:09.080 --> 01:20:12.800
 All right, bike funds project criteria.

01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:19.600
 Anybody have any concerns, questions, comments on the next one?

01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:20.600
 Yes.

01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:21.600
 Dr. Begg.

01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:25.080
 Yay, you have a coordinator to start next week.

01:20:25.080 --> 01:20:26.080
 Yes, October 27th.

01:20:26.080 --> 01:20:30.360
 Oh, I know many people in our in our bike pit community there.

01:20:30.360 --> 01:20:35.120
 They're super excited when they learned about this in the backup.

01:20:35.120 --> 01:20:40.440
 I think we keep picking good people and we start to make progress and we start to get

01:20:40.440 --> 01:20:45.760
 momentum and then for reasons that have very little to do with the city of Denton, they

01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:47.040
 go away.

01:20:47.040 --> 01:20:49.720
 And so hopefully not knock a little wood.

01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:58.400
 Dr. Maloney, or however you say her name is, is will be a long lasting opportunity and

01:20:58.400 --> 01:21:00.020
 someone that can provide some focus.

01:21:00.020 --> 01:21:03.040
 So I'm I'm really excited.

01:21:03.040 --> 01:21:06.920
 So my only comment is, yay, and let's see if we can hit the ground running.

01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:07.920
 Urban planning.

01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:08.920
 All right.

01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:09.920
 Several years.

01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:11.160
 Just a quick question on that.

01:21:11.160 --> 01:21:17.200
 And this might be something that could be added eventually to the agenda.

01:21:17.200 --> 01:21:22.040
 But I was wondering, as we're looking for the criteria for prioritizing sidewalk and

01:21:22.040 --> 01:21:31.400
 bike lane projects, what is there an element in there that that takes a look at how families

01:21:31.400 --> 01:21:34.820
 and children are utilizing those kinds of facilities?

01:21:34.820 --> 01:21:41.720
 Is there is there a category for that as you're looking through this criteria process?

01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:47.760
 >> Yes, as a standard element of these criteria, one of the requirement is that if the elementary

01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:54.680
 school kids have to have a crossing that is hazardous, that gets 100% score.

01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:57.520
 >> Okay, thank you.

01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:02.640
 >> Sidewalk heat insensitivity, anybody, did you have anything down on this end?

01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:11.200
 >> Yeah, sidewalk heat insensitivity, insensitivity, I wanted to say insensitivity, up a little

01:22:11.200 --> 01:22:12.200
 bit.

01:22:12.200 --> 01:22:13.200
 There you go, right there.

01:22:13.200 --> 01:22:14.200
 >> Yeah.

01:22:14.200 --> 01:22:15.200
 >> Intensity.

01:22:15.200 --> 01:22:16.200
 >> I know, I was saying insensitivity.

01:22:16.200 --> 01:22:17.680
 >> We're all sensitive to sidewalks.

01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:18.680
 >> Right, intensity.

01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:20.820
 Yes, sir, Dr. Begg?

01:22:20.820 --> 01:22:25.720
 >> So I'm going to gently push back on this entire paragraph.

01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:36.200
 I understand the implications of the cost of colored concrete as an additive, but that's

01:22:36.200 --> 01:22:43.160
 because that approach is a standard approach to increasing the albedo of the sidewalk is

01:22:43.160 --> 01:22:48.480
 to color them or paint them or something like that, and I get that we're looking to that,

01:22:48.480 --> 01:22:56.200
 but one of the things that I have been in many committees and on council pushing is

01:22:56.200 --> 01:22:57.200
 two factors.

01:22:57.200 --> 01:23:05.440
 One, other additives like things like titanium oxide, which also increase the albedo, but

01:23:05.440 --> 01:23:11.560
 also stabilize the concrete, increasing lifetime of concrete, not just for sidewalks, but also

01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:21.640
 for roads, particularly in asphalt areas, but concrete especially, and they also catalyze

01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:27.220
 the reduction of ozone back to 02 and reduce knocks out of the area, and that doesn't have

01:23:27.220 --> 01:23:32.560
 to be painted, doesn't have to be added, just poured into the concrete mix as an additive.

01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:37.840
 This is something that LA is doing, Raleigh is doing, Charleston is doing, Charlotte is

01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:47.000
 doing, and why, even though there will be some marginal cost, probably less than paint

01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:52.720
 or less than these colored additives, but I'm being pretty pushy here because it has

01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:57.200
 multiple impacts, but also the health impacts on the children and the health impacts of

01:23:57.200 --> 01:23:59.800
 the surrounding neighborhoods.

01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:07.080
 These are not factored into the cost of the additives, and when you're doing an apples

01:24:07.080 --> 01:24:12.720
 to apples comparison, I want to make sure that in the same way that there's, and I'm

01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:18.200
 going to go way out on a limb here, in the same way that there's more than just the power

01:24:18.200 --> 01:24:23.640
 component in a gas plant for producing electricity, and there's other impacts that say Michael

01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:29.720
 Gagne and sustainability looks at, there's more impacts than just the cost of the concrete

01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:36.320
 when we think about the impacts on our community.

01:24:36.320 --> 01:24:39.120
 I don't want us to be penny wise and pound foolish on this one.

01:24:39.120 --> 01:24:46.280
 I want us to do a comprehensive analysis of long-term what it would take to improve our

01:24:46.280 --> 01:24:48.040
 sidewalk and street plan.

01:24:48.040 --> 01:24:52.760
 Now this was particularly focused on sidewalk heat around schools, and I think that makes

01:24:52.760 --> 01:25:00.880
 it a great candidate to see if there's additional additives, like titanium oxide is not expensive.

01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:04.280
 So I would love to hear your comment on something like that.

01:25:04.280 --> 01:25:12.620
 So titanium oxide is an option, but it would be, staff would like to see how it impacts

01:25:12.620 --> 01:25:18.760
 the life cycle of the concrete versus not using it.

01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:26.160
 Typical standard is adding colors, Austin has been doing that, and many other cities

01:25:26.160 --> 01:25:31.680
 across the nation, they do that, if necessary.

01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:41.240
 As stated in the memo, it is an option, but staff has to work through the costs and see

01:25:41.240 --> 01:25:42.360
 if it is a priority.

01:25:42.360 --> 01:25:48.680
 If it is a priority for city, and staff will be happy to expand on this and see how this

01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:56.760
 can be, but of course this will impact CIPs projects and how the time align of these projects,

01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.120
 and we'll have to see many other factors from practical standpoint.

01:25:59.120 --> 01:26:02.360
 No, no, I appreciate you, we absolutely have to do that, you have to work through the budget

01:26:02.360 --> 01:26:03.360
 process.

01:26:03.360 --> 01:26:08.000
 When we get into the matrix here in a minute or two, I'm going to ask that we not take

01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:13.800
 this item off, and that we continue it back, and work on developing a pilot project, and

01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:21.440
 I'll pick a school, and do your planning, and pick a sidewalk, and look at the impacts,

01:26:21.440 --> 01:26:26.960
 and if the cost, the marginal cost of doing that pilot project shows that if we expand

01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:32.920
 it out through the city, it would be bad, okay, then that's the take home message.

01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:34.280
 It's too expensive.

01:26:34.280 --> 01:26:38.640
 But if we find that it is having the impacts that we think it did, not only did we help

01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:42.960
 that pilot project, but now we can expand it out, first to safe routes to school, and

01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:46.600
 then if it's really great, Seth can put it in the streets on Robinwood.

01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:53.800
 No, I'm kidding, because we want them torn back up again, right?

01:26:53.800 --> 01:27:00.560
 But that's my point is, yeah, anyway, I'll bring that back up at the matrix time.

01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:01.560
 Go ahead.

01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:07.320
 Madam Chair, I just want to ask, and we can, I can bring this up again when we get to the

01:27:07.320 --> 01:27:12.200
 agenda, and I don't know if this would be CMO or street.

01:27:12.200 --> 01:27:18.680
 If we determined yes, this is one way to mitigate, you mostly focused on what to do to the actual

01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:20.040
 concrete itself.

01:27:20.040 --> 01:27:24.320
 It's my understanding there's a lot of other ways we could mitigate heat.

01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:29.160
 One would be planting a lot of trees or having shade structures.

01:27:29.160 --> 01:27:34.200
 Who handles stuff like that, like putting shade trees in, would that, if the street

01:27:34.200 --> 01:27:40.860
 is going, if we decide, if transportation decides, here's a heat island, okay, what

01:27:40.860 --> 01:27:45.960
 department then goes to and adds those trees when we've determined we've got to, we want

01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:50.160
 to reduce the heat here, is that something that would be in a different department or

01:27:50.160 --> 01:27:54.940
 how could we collaborate with multiple departments to get that end goal?

01:27:54.940 --> 01:28:01.440
 During the development review process, typically the developers would add these details to the

01:28:01.440 --> 01:28:05.080
 land use surrounding their developments.

01:28:05.080 --> 01:28:11.260
 And then in planning department, there is a trees and landscaping section that looks

01:28:11.260 --> 01:28:12.260
 into that.

01:28:12.260 --> 01:28:20.760
 But on these elements as well, on existing infrastructure, the question comes about right

01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:27.240
 of way and then easements and utilities, what's under there?

01:28:27.240 --> 01:28:33.360
 And all of those things are, utilities are, if they are there, then there's a limitation.

01:28:33.360 --> 01:28:38.360
 So I think what happy to stop is we'll look into that if further information is needed

01:28:38.360 --> 01:28:39.360
 and circle back.

01:28:39.360 --> 01:28:40.880
 I think that that would be an interesting program.

01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:45.720
 I know we already have a tree rebate program that homeowners can do.

01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:51.120
 It'd be cool if there is a way, if the city has determined this is a heat island, we've

01:28:51.120 --> 01:28:57.000
 got some residents or businesses here, yes, we could let them know, here's our tree rebate

01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:03.400
 program, but maybe we do a more targeted approach or we say, we'd like to not only put in, we'd

01:29:03.400 --> 01:29:07.600
 like to help you dig the hole that way the city can determine we're not going to mess

01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:12.800
 anything up when we, and then maybe we even provide bigger trees and so if the homeowner

01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:16.760
 has to buy that tree, maybe there's, I don't know, just curious, like maybe building out

01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:19.000
 that program could be an element of it.

01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:20.880
 I know it's hard because it's private property sometimes.

01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.600
 Stop and circle back on that.

01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:29.260
 I did want to mention this is an element of our design downtown master plan.

01:29:29.260 --> 01:29:34.720
 So the downtown master plan called for this concept of cool streets.

01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:41.560
 So I think from a staff perspective, that's really where we would like to focus because

01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:44.840
 it's already called for in the master plan and been vetted through the community feedback

01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:47.520
 and things like that.

01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:52.800
 Obviously right now we're limited with funding of implementing that plan, but staff is moving

01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:55.480
 forward with as much implementation as possible.

01:29:55.480 --> 01:30:04.920
 So my recommendation would be to focus on continuing that implementing that plan and

01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:08.240
 then as Farhan said, we can have additional conversations about what other programs are

01:30:08.240 --> 01:30:13.560
 available and how staff can implement those and how we can expand those.

01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:14.560
 Okay.

01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:22.080
 All right, let's move on to TERS public private partnerships.

01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:26.200
 What does that look like, any question?

01:30:26.200 --> 01:30:28.640
 Yes sir, Dr. Baird.

01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:34.040
 I made sure to mention this in the TERS meeting just so that they're aware and hopefully staff,

01:30:34.040 --> 01:30:39.120
 you two different economic development and transportation had a good conversation.

01:30:39.120 --> 01:30:42.160
 It sounds like you did because this is very exciting to me.

01:30:42.160 --> 01:30:47.800
 I'm happy to find out from both of you that these kinds of upgrades are available.

01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:57.080
 I wonder in your conversations, did you have any conversations about potential candidate

01:30:57.080 --> 01:31:03.540
 locations from your standpoint and from economic development standpoint, businesses that like

01:31:03.540 --> 01:31:13.480
 in prior conversations we talked about delivery as a service, Uber eats kind of parking and

01:31:13.480 --> 01:31:16.760
 bollards and other things that would fall into this category.

01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:22.060
 Did y'all think about any potential candidates in any of our places that might be candidates

01:31:22.060 --> 01:31:28.200
 for at least contemplating the use of TERS funding, especially in the DDD.

01:31:28.200 --> 01:31:35.800
 I think it aligns great with the DDD, the Downtown Denton design, Design Downtown Denton.

01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:36.800
 Thank you.

01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:45.000
 I knew there was three Ds in there, but as we go forward and again, I know your transportation

01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:50.720
 and this is a cross department issue, but are there, have there been locations and or

01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:57.240
 candidates and I'm thinking sort of what Cassie mentioned, the cool streets, but on those

01:31:57.240 --> 01:32:03.640
 cool streets, are there businesses that we've talked that we think we can encourage to try

01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:06.560
 to go for TERS funding for these kinds of projects?

01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:15.320
 We'll work with economic development and team and then trickle back on this.

01:32:15.320 --> 01:32:16.320
 Anyone else?

01:32:16.320 --> 01:32:29.320
 I think that pretty interesting idea of possibly using the Downtown Denton plan to get started

01:32:29.320 --> 01:32:32.720
 with something like that, you know, pilot down there, that's where it may get some moves

01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:33.720
 that way.

01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:34.720
 Great.

01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:35.720
 Anything else?

01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:36.720
 All right.

01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:42.880
 Well, we're going to move on to E. Thank you, EMC 25-053.

01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:47.280
 Receive a report and hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding future meeting

01:32:47.280 --> 01:32:52.280
 topics.

01:32:52.280 --> 01:33:06.640
 There you go, future meeting topics.

01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:15.240
 Well, Seth, aren't you the one that usually stand up here and help us do this?

01:33:15.240 --> 01:33:19.240
 Seth is trying to take a nap on us.

01:33:19.240 --> 01:33:21.880
 Sorry, I was letting it be the Farhan show today.

01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:25.700
 Since I didn't have anything on here, but I will gladly stand.

01:33:25.700 --> 01:33:30.640
 So Dr. Beck, we heard leaving the sidewalk heat intensity on there, so we would request

01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:35.320
 to remove items five and items 11 that were covered today otherwise.

01:33:35.320 --> 01:33:38.400
 Are you okay with the EVA spark moving?

01:33:38.400 --> 01:33:39.400
 Yeah.

01:33:39.400 --> 01:33:40.400
 It is what it is.

01:33:40.400 --> 01:33:41.400
 It is what it is.

01:33:41.400 --> 01:33:42.400
 Okay.

01:33:42.400 --> 01:33:52.480
 Well, we need a motion to remove five and 11.

01:33:52.480 --> 01:33:53.480
 I so move.

01:33:53.480 --> 01:33:54.480
 All right.

01:33:54.480 --> 01:33:55.480
 So second.

01:33:55.480 --> 01:33:56.480
 All right.

01:33:56.480 --> 01:33:57.480
 Any other discussions?

01:33:57.480 --> 01:33:58.480
 All right.

01:33:58.480 --> 01:33:59.480
 There's not any discussions.

01:33:59.480 --> 01:34:00.480
 Then we'll vote.

01:34:00.480 --> 01:34:01.480
 All in favor?

01:34:01.480 --> 01:34:02.480
 Aye.

01:34:02.480 --> 01:34:03.480
 Aye.

01:34:03.480 --> 01:34:04.480
 I am too.

01:34:04.480 --> 01:34:05.480
 Thank you.

01:34:05.480 --> 01:34:06.480
 All right.

01:34:06.480 --> 01:34:07.480
 So we remove those.

01:34:07.480 --> 01:34:08.480
 Yep.

01:34:08.480 --> 01:34:09.480
 And then we can take any new items.

01:34:09.480 --> 01:34:10.480
 Do we have any new items that we want to put on there?

01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:13.920
 Any discussion today which would have caused the new item?

01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:15.840
 Did we hear anything?

01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:16.840
 Yes.

01:34:16.840 --> 01:34:21.960
 We had some, Madam Chair, but I think staff indicated that they were going to, you know,

01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:27.480
 kind of review that, and I'm not sure it rises to the level of matrix item thing that was

01:34:27.480 --> 01:34:31.440
 exactly a matrix, correct me if I'm wrong, other board members.

01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:32.440
 Okay.

01:34:32.440 --> 01:34:40.440
 I think if we could, specifically with the heat issue, I was going to maybe add something

01:34:40.440 --> 01:34:48.520
 about our shade equity plan or ways to expand this idea of the cool streets as just kind

01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:53.120
 of a proactive approach, because I don't want the rest of Den to get left behind.

01:34:53.120 --> 01:34:57.600
 I love the idea of the cool streets, and I'm like, my neighborhood needs that, you know?

01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:04.020
 And again, that could potentially have a huge economic impact for not just the downtown.

01:35:04.020 --> 01:35:05.560
 We need that in all of our places.

01:35:05.560 --> 01:35:09.960
 So if that's something that's going to be possibly sort of incorporated with what we've

01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:14.160
 already talked about, then we don't have to add that as a separate agenda item, but I'll

01:35:14.160 --> 01:35:17.320
 take suggestions from staff on that.

01:35:17.320 --> 01:35:25.040
 I think we can incorporate it into Row 6 when we bring it back.

01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:26.040
 Okay.

01:35:26.040 --> 01:35:27.040
 All right.

01:35:27.040 --> 01:35:32.480
 Well, if there is not anything else, then we will move to our concluding items.

01:35:32.480 --> 01:35:34.840
 Is there any kind of concluding items?

01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:35.840
 Anybody?

01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:36.840
 Yes, Dr. Bick.

01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:42.920
 Dr. Farhan, pronounce her name for me, so I say it properly.

01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:57.440
 Is there going to be an opportunity for mobility ... Let me put it this way.

01:35:57.440 --> 01:36:04.280
 I would love it if after she's hired and onboarded, if we could meet her, considering she will

01:36:04.280 --> 01:36:06.040
 have a direct role with the mobility committee.

01:36:06.040 --> 01:36:07.040
 That would be awesome.

01:36:07.040 --> 01:36:08.040
 She'll be here next mobility committee.

01:36:08.040 --> 01:36:09.040
 Next mobility committee, is it?

01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:10.040
 Perfect.

01:36:10.040 --> 01:36:11.040
 That sounds great.

01:36:11.040 --> 01:36:12.040
 Thank you.

01:36:12.040 --> 01:36:13.040
 Thank you.

01:36:13.040 --> 01:36:14.040
 We'll see you off at the poro room.

01:36:14.040 --> 01:36:17.120
 Is she over in this ... Yes, at DSA, in transportation services.

01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:18.120
 Yes.

01:36:18.120 --> 01:36:19.120
 All right.

01:36:19.120 --> 01:36:20.120
 Well, it sounds like we are ready to meet her.

01:36:20.120 --> 01:36:22.120
 So we've got to get her in here.

01:36:22.120 --> 01:36:23.120
 Okay.

01:36:23.120 --> 01:36:29.800
 If there's not anything else, then we will close meeting at 1136.

01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:30.800
 Thank you.

01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:30.800
 Perfect.