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 >> Good morning everyone, we're here meeting Wednesday, October 22nd, 10 a.m. in our council

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 work session room.

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 First thing on the agenda is citizens' comments on agenda items.

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 Any citizens' comments?

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 No citizens' comments.

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 And so number two, items for individual consideration, MC25-049, consider approval of the minutes

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 for September 24th, 2025, going to get a motion for approval.

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 >> Madam Chair, they are.

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 As I recall, I'll make a motion to their approval.

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 >> Okay.

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 Do we have any discussion on that?

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 Okay.

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 No discussion.

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 All in favor?

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 >> Aye.

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 >> I'll put that in for notation.

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 BMC25-050, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Dittons transportation

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 mobility project status.

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 We have Mr. John Polster here.

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 >> Good morning, everybody.

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 >> Good morning.

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 >> John Polster, ITS, we'll go quick on this, I do have some new information as of about

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 two days ago.

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 >> Oh.

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 >> We'll skip the project summary.

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 On 35 north, the gray section 081 was let for construction last month.

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 And so I get this question, it goes yellow, purple, gray, green.

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 Why are they starting on the gray that far north?

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 The purple is part of the FM 455 project that goes from 2450 out in West Ditton County,

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 Illinois, east to the high school across the interstate.

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 So when they built 455, they included the interchange at 35 for that project.

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 So that was under construction.

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 You usually go south to north.

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 We came back and the southern section used to be one CSJ of about $650 million.

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 When we did the merge project a year or so ago, it came in $100 million over and we had two bidders.

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 So the state asked us to come back and break the yellow job into three smaller projects,

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 which means we had to go back and redo the plans, which pushed them out a little bit.

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 So that's why that's not started yet.

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 Purple's under construction.

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 The gray just started and then we're working on the two CSJs to the north are 116 and 084.

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 That's a really big cursor.

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 So I can see it, right?

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 >> I like it.

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 >> That's for me.

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 >> He likes it.

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 >> He'll do that for me.

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 I can't see.

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 So that's important.

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 That's about 240 million.

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 We'll talk about that here in a second when we get to another project.

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 But what we're working on on all these CSJs, which is like a social security number for

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 a project, on these projects in the south, though they've got let dates in the out years

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 because we're working on all of these utilities for each one of these sections and there's

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 a lot of utilities out there.

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 >> John, excuse me.

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 I'm just curious, did breaking that in the yellow into three sections, did that reduce

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 the net cost?

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 >> It doesn't change the cost.

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 What it does is it puts them under 200 million each and so we expect to get more bidders

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 because they can handle that size job better than they can a half a billion.

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 And with more bidders, you get better prices.

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 So it could reduce the cost.

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 And cost of construction has gone down recently.

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 It was going up pretty precipitously but now it leveled off and now it's coming back down

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 a little bit.

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 So this is that breakout job that I was showing you that's under construction that was let

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 in August and it'll be starting in February after the contractor gets all of their contracts

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 in and bonds and they do their mobilization.

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 So that's new to your report.

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 So the merge is what's under construction now.

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 There's a picture of it, that big hole in the ground that you see as you come around

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 coming north, that's for the, that is huge.

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 I cover up everything with it.

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 That's for that braided ramp right there.

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 So the hole is where you'll exit and go under to get to 380 off the interstate.

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 And then there'll be a bridge that comes over for the frontage road to get up and over to

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 get onto the freeway without having to fight each other for the lanes.

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 So that's what that big hole is.

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 And again, it's five years still before it's even done, so mark your calendars.

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 And that's just telling you what's going on.

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 You can read it.

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 All right, so the Mayhill job, it let in June and the construction start date is Thanksgiving,

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 which so you're going to come around the curve from the merge, you get a break for a minute

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 and you're going to hit Mayhill, which is larger than 288 interchange.

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 And then you're going to trundle along across the lake and you're going to hit 1171 and

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 then a half mile down the road, you're also going to hit the 121 corporate.

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 So 35 is about to be broken again for quite some time.

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 So the frontage roads, this is where I told you that $240 million in that northern part

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 We met with the commission, Howard commissioner, Steve Alice, we think he's going to be the

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 And we talked to him about the frontage roads.

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 And one of the proposals we're going to propose is there are parts of this middle section

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 that the city and Hillwood still want included in the project.

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 It's that all red John Day project section, it's not included in this current $213 million

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 move some of those funds north of Sanger down to this job because this is more important

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 to us than getting to Windstar.

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 So we're working our magic on that.

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 So we're working a deal to fund the full aspect of this road is about 450 million and right

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 now we're doing like 213 of it, so we're leaving out some of the interchanges that initially

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 Now we are thinking they're necessary.

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 So we're finding a way to get it funded and then also the southern part all the way down

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 So there's activity moving, we supposed to get back with the commissioner next week with

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 a pitch on what our proposal is on this.

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 Okay so Luke 28 frontage roads basically we're in PS&E which is the design phase and that's

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 pretty much all we're doing is getting the project ready to be fully designed because

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 of this right here that the right away is still on hold for this segment.

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 We weren't able to get all the right away acquired before the state put a moratorium

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 on right away acquisition for projects that weren't funded and we brought that up to the

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 chairman as well, commissioner, and one of the things we're going to be able to look

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 at is on these projects that are critical to us we want to be able, they want us contributing

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 money anyway so if we're going to contribute they don't really necessarily need construction

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 dollars so we're going to try to provide right away funding and originally the process for

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 the finance division, if you gave them money for right away they just stuck it in a big

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 pot and it never came back to your project.

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 So we're working on the logistics to be able to donate money for right away acquisitions

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 that they would go acquire and donate it to a specific CSJ or a project so that the money

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 Okay, when we're in these weird, so on that exact point, when we're in these weird things

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 where this is a multi-year project and you're doing right away acquisitions and moving utilities

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 and things but then the budget gets curtailed, is there sufficient money in the pipeline

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 that those utilities keep moving and all that keeps happening or do we just hit a cliff?

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 We hit a cliff.

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 So Dallas District's different than the other districts in the state, they would get projects

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 ready, we call them ready to let, regardless of whether or not there's funding for it.

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 You get the project ready to go and you assume that when it's ready the money will come which

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 But part of that is the right away and utility relocations.

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 The rest of the state historically wasn't very good at buying right away moving utilities.

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 So Houston, Austin and San Antonio would always have a backlog of projects that they couldn't

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 move forward because they couldn't get their right away spent.

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 And so Dallas was able, has a budget of $400 million a year but they would spend $800 million

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 a year on right away acquisition because we could get our stuff cleared and they would

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 just take the money from Houston, Austin and San Antonio because the right away division

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 wanted to spend the money, right?

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 If they can't spend it somewhere they want to spend it somewhere else.

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 Well about two years ago, a year and a half ago, Houston started getting their act together

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 and they started spending their money and then there was a budget issue where they took

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 money from right away and consultants and put it into construction to make it look like

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 there wasn't a reduction in the textile budget.

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 And so now instead of Dallas not only getting their $400 million plus others that don't

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 do their job, we don't get $400 million anymore, we only get $350 million.

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 And of that $350 million, it's a biennium so there's $350 million per two years.

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 We have to hold back 10% because next year we don't know what the budget's going to do,

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 what it did this year.

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 And so it's $320 million that they have and $320 million doesn't cover projects in the

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 four-year step that has actual funding for those projects that have let dates they're

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 So projects that don't have funding, they're not even on the table for having a conversation

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 So you're having a crisis of faith.

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 So what I'm doing is projects that we care about, they want our money, we'll just put

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 our money in, we don't care where we spend it, right?

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 So if Radaway's the new critical path, then we'll put it into Radaway.

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 But up until we talked to the chairman, the commissioner, on day four years to day Monday,

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 he said he thinks he'll get to finance the folks to let us take our money for our projects.

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 So we think we're going to get back in the game here in the next few months or so.

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 I have an observation that may turn into a question.

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 Down here it says, "TexDOT requested revised traffic numbers."

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 Is that because they want you to, because of the lack of funding, it needs to look like

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 that there's not as much traffic, it's not necessary to fund?

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 What does that mean, requested revised traffic numbers?

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 So this project is, I've told you the joke about me not being married when I started

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 this project, and I've been married 32 years.

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 So every so often, if the project has been moving through the system and it hasn't moved

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 fast enough, what they do is they come back and recheck their assumptions.

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 So we do reavowals on the environmental, we rerun the traffic to make sure the traffic

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 still warrants for a freeway, so it's just a process, it doesn't mean anything.

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 It just sounds like a process that just puts you back, it's a legalized way of saying we're

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 The right of way is a critical path, and this is one of the projects we're going to shoot

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 because 35W already has all the right of way acquired, so we don't have to mess with it.

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 This is the one that we need front and center, because if we can get the right of way acquired,

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 it's new location, so the utilities are nominal, so that's not a big issue.

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 Once we get the right of way acquired, then the county can come alongside Texan and say,

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 we'll pay you to build certain sections of the, because we're only going to build a northbound

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 frontage road first to set the corridor.

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 So all the development coming from the east will tie into the road where it's supposed

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 So we're going to, we take whatever comes, and we try to make lemonade with oranges.

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 I'm not sure if that works.

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 Okay, so the new news on the 288/380 connector is we're done with the environmental, we're

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 moving into PS&E, but the PS&E for the entire, this is the plan specifications and estimates

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 of plans, is about 48 million bucks.

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 So we're going to eat this one, one bite at a time.

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 So we, the county has decided that we think the most critical portion is the connector

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 between 380 and 288, so we're going to get a PS&E set from Westwood to design that section

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 of a project, and this is the second one we're going to include in that list of projects

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 The reason we're not doing the Bonnie Bray is because we've already got that approved

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 and funded through TechStat, and we're going to work with them to pick that up on their

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 So we're going to start eating the northern part of the 288 one section at a time.

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 And when is all that going to start July 26th, no, July 26th is when the project is environmentally

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 That's when we can start buying the right way.

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 I don't see any other dates down there where it says utilities.

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 During that timeframe, you'd also be identifying your utilities, and you'd be working on your

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 PS&E, so we can't do the right way right now, so we're just skipping to the PS&E.

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 Are we solid now?

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 We're solid, and I can send that to Cassie, and she can get that to you guys.

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 That would be lovely if we could do that.

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 And then just know that we're going into the next phase of the actual design for the bypass,

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 of the connector.

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 We already talked about body race segment seven.

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 It has its own independent utility, but it's part of the larger project, and we had TechStat

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 because they had a project manager who's no longer working there.

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 this road to, they cut it off on the schematic that we were approving about right here.

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 And once Chandra and Farhan pointed that out, we went back to TechStat, slapped them around

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 a little bit, and they said, "Okay, put it back in, we'll clear it."

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 So we fixed that.

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 1515, this project is ready to let in '27.

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 That's the mostly utilities, and those utilities aren't as impacting because utilities and

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 right-of-way are the same thing to TechStat.

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 So when there's a right-of-way moratorium, there's also a utility moratorium.

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 But all the utilities in this area are not reimbursable because they were in the right-of-way.

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 So if they're in the right-of-way, they have to move on their own dime.

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 So we're progressing these through the utility relocation, and once that's done, and it's

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 going to take a while, this project will be ready to let in March of '27, which means

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 all the utilities are done, all the right-of-ways are acquired, and then I've got to go find

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 $70 million.

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 Is that an extensive project because of all the commercial around it?

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 It's really not that expensive.

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 No?

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 No.

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 It's going from a two-lane to six lanes.

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 So the width of the road is what the cost is, and we're building it as an urban roadway,

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 which means all your storm drainage is under the ground and all that stuff.

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 So as roads go, that's not that much.

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 That's not very expensive.

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 And where will that stop?

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 Will it stop at the airport?

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 Yes.

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 I don't know what the technical term is, a hammerhead, because what happens is 18 wheelers

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 think they can get out that way.

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 They end up in the airport parking lot, and then they've got to do a 13-point turnaround

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 to get out.

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 But no, not a cul-de-sac, but a big turnaround place for lost trucks until it ends at the

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 airport.

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 Put up a toll road, too.

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 Well, the news is, what Texas is wanting to do, and one of the ways we're going to try

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 to get them to buy this thing quicker is previous administrations of the city were entertaining

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 taking 15-15 off system once it's fully constructed, because it'll be a brand new 30-year road.

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 And then you can put a toll road on it, I guess, I don't know.

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 So that's yet to be determined.

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 1173, we are still in conversation with CRUM.

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 They had asked us to find an alternate route around their town for 1173, and we pointed

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 out that if we do that, their Main Street goes away because the railroad will only let

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 us have one crossing.

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 So now we're back to the original alignment, and we're looking for a way to mitigate some

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 of the parking they're losing.

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 So we're in a do-loop with them right now, but we're on hold with the right-of-way acquisition

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 anyway, so we've got time to work it out.

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 You say we have time to work it out, and it's like another four or five years?

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 No, no.

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 But it's working out with CRUM on what they want us to do in their town, because that's

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 their heart.

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 Where we're coming in, that's their Main Street, that's that parking in the middle of the road.

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 It's a drastic change for them, and we're just trying to be culturally sensitive, which

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 is not my normal path on things.

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 Sorry.

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 Okay, Outer Loop, do y'all care about this?

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 Yeah.

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 Okay.

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 So we just had our public meetings, two of them, one in Denton, one in Pilot Point.

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 We had 171, 150, and the other 190, about 300.

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 The comments were moderate.

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 There are some people that don't want the road anywhere near them, because they think

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 they still live in the country, and when we show them the heat map, which is where all

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 the developments are, they realize that they're no longer in the city.

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 It just hasn't been built yet, I mean in the county, unincorporated pretty area.

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 And then the majority of them that were there, that are impacted, just wanted to know when

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 somebody's going to buy their right of way.

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 So after we get past September of 2026, it'll be environmentally clear, then the county will

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 come in and start land banking those areas that are critical.

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 Commercial's not really that difficult to deal with, because you can work with those

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 guys because once they know they're on a freeway, and they can have a higher and better use

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 for their property, they usually work with us.

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 It's the individual property owners that we're going to be looking towards that feel like

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 they've been inversely condemned, right?

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 They're there, but they can't do anything with their property because we protected it.

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 So we're going to come into those cases and just purchase the land, and just bank it for

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 when we need to build the sections of the road.

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 But we can't do any of that until after it's environmentally cleared next year.

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 Are you all going to have any more public?

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 Absolutely.

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 So that was the last set of public meetings for the feasibility phase of the environmental

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 impact statement.

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 We have to do what's called a notice of intent to the feds because they give you a certain

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 amount of time once you give them that NOI to have the project environmentally cleared.

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 So we'll have one more public meeting as a part of the actual environmental impact statement.

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 These were just -- we want to make sure everybody understands what we're doing.

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 But the next one will be the official public meeting, and it can be in more than one location.

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 And then right before six months before mid-summer next year, we'll have what's called a public

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 hearing.

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 And it's not what it sounds like.

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 I've told you all this.

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 A hearing isn't for them to go and hear what you're saying and work out your issues.

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 It's for you to tell them what your problems are, for them to say thank you very much,

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 and then they don't answer you.

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 And they respond to the feds, and then they clear it.

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 So there'll be two more -- the official public meeting and then the actual public hearing.

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 And those will both come in '26?

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 Yeah, the public hearing has to be probably in July, June, July, because there's a certain

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 number -- you have to hold a public hearing open for, I forget how many days.

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 And then there's a 60-day timeframe after that for the feds to give us what's called

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 a record of decision or a ride.

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 So yeah, if we don't hold a public hearing in the summer, we won't hit the September

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 26th date.

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 I just told you all that stuff.

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 And then we're going to have a test on all our acronyms that I use.

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 That's those two ladies.

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 Alphabet.

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 Alphabet suit.

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 So that's all I got.

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 Anybody have any questions?

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 Yes, ma'am?

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 Yeah.

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 I forgot to ask a question about Bonnie Brace 7.

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 I'm trying to find the page number for that.

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 I'll just roll to find it.

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 I think since last time you were here -- I can't remember if that was in the summertime,

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 but I don't know if you're aware, on the first day of school, there was a really bad accident

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 right there.

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 Several cars collided at 77 and Bonnie Brace.

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 We still have high school students, and now we have an elementary school in that area.

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 I know that we are still -- we're still a year out from starting the project of getting

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 an intersection -- or, I'm sorry, July, it'll be July.

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 July is when the project will be environmentally cleared.

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 Okay.

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 There is a whole lot of extra things that have to be done.

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 For one thing, this is the cog and text that I've committed to fund this project.

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 So we've still got to do the construction documents, which we're talking to Westwood

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 right now about getting started on that.

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 So by the time 26 rows are out, because it doesn't take that long to do design, we can

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 have a project that is ready.

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 Now, we may have to go by the right-of-way, this county, in this area, because we don't

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 have -- I don't think that's -- we hadn't bought the right-of-way for this section of

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 roads, so there's still a lot of steps we have to do.

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 All those asterisks have to be filled in for time.

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 So it's a wise-out.

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 So what I'm wondering is, what can be done in the meantime to make this a safer intersection?

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 I've noticed that the speed right there, right before you get to Bonnie Bray, is 50.

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 We've got high school kids trying to pull out of there, and that intersection is incredibly

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 wide.

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 So people are turning halfway through in the median.

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 Is there anything that can be done while we wait two years for this intersection to get

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 a light?

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 Yeah, absolutely.

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 So Seth Garcia, Director of Capital Projects, so that intersection is actually going to

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 be built with our Bonnie Bray 6 project.

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 So they're working on it.

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 They're going to put in the new median cut.

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 It's going to get a traffic signal.

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 So they're actually moving dirt and actively working on that section right now in the north.

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 So our goal is to get a lot of that work done before the end of next summer.

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 So hopefully we'll have a lot of that traffic signal paving in place to be able to help

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 that intersection.

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 But that will be done with ours.

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 We're providing the plans to Westwood or whoever TXDOT is going to use to build that section.

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 And then they'll use that to line up with what we're building.

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 So it will just be that northern piece of the intersection going towards Loop 288.

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 So that's now part of Bonnie Bray 6.

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 So it's moving a little faster.

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 Yes, it's always been a part of Bonnie Bray 6.

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 That's great.

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 So you think that'll be done by next school year?

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 Yeah, so we're aiming to have that intersection, the majority of it done by the end of next

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 summer.

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 Okay.

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 And so again, lining up that August timeframe, the entirety of the project is supposed to

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 be done like Q2 of 27, really that's like April, the beginning of April.

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 And the last pieces that we'll be working on are more towards 380.

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 So I would expect on that northern end, we're going to have a lot completed.

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 Okay.

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 That's great.

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 So John, if you're part of, you're not with TechStock, correct?

401
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 No, I just get exposed to them all the time.

402
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 I'm just curious.

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 But anything you need from TechStock, you just tell me and I go do it.

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 Well, so the speed limit, like I just mentioned.

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 So I understand.

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 I'm sure this is a category of a road.

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 It's been a highway for years and years, but now look, we've got neighborhoods right here.

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 Absolutely.

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 If you have an intersection rate, like just a hop and a skip away, putting a 50 mile an

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 hour speed limit sign, literally a few feet from that intersection seems extremely wrong

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 in my opinions.

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 Can we, is there any way we can slow it down?

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 Yeah, we'll go talk to TechStock about that.

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 But the way the state puts speed limits on a road isn't by their classification.

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 They go out and do what's called speed study, and they take the 85th percentile.

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 So they figure 50% of these people are driving crazy, and so they do this analysis and they

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 take the 85th percentile, and whatever that speed is, that's what they set it at, plus

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 or minus seven miles rounded to the nearest zero or five.

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 So unfortunately, what happens whenever TechStock asks you to do, you ask them to do a speed

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 study more times than not, the speed study comes back saying the speed limit ought to

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 be raised.

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 So it's a roll of the dice.

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 So there's ordinance things you can do where we talk to TechStock, we make a case similar

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 to what you're making, and then we can, the city can do an ordinance that sets it at a

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 lower level based on engineering, traffic engineering issues.

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 So that's where I would start is, let us go tell TechStock we're concerned about the speed

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 limit, and then let us try to do that analysis that gives us a justification for warranting

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 dropping the speed limit below the 85th percentile based on traffic engineering issues.

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 Okay.

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 I think that would be worthwhile pursuing.

431
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 Okay.

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 We'll talk to, Chris Rocha's your area engineer, and we'll talk to him, and then Amanda Miller

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 was your area engineer, and now she's your operations director at the district, and she

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 handles that stuff, so we'll, Amanda will be very familiar with this location.

435
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 Great.

436
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 Thank you very much.

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 Thank you for bringing that up.

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 Anything else?

439
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,400
 Okay, well we are done.

440
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 Thank you so much for Mr. John.

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 You said no questions for John.

442
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 We look forward to seeing.

443
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 Thank you.

444
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 Look forward to seeing you next year sometime.

445
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,400
 Okay.

446
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 Thank you.

447
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 All right, well we'll move on to CMC 25051, Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion Regarding

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 Mobility Plan Boot Camp, Part Two, to Introduce and Share Information on Different Elements

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 of the Mobility Plan.

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 Dr. Bhatt.

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 Good morning, Chair and committee members, Farhan Bhatt, Deputy Director, Transportation

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 Services Division.

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 I'm here to present the Mobility Plan Boot Camp, Part Two.

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 The previous part, Part One, covered introduction to the Mobility Plan, and this part was supposed

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 to cover goals and thoroughfare plan, but due to the time limitations, I would just

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 in this part I'd cover goals, and then Part Two B in the next meeting would cover the

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 thoroughfare plan.

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 When it comes to goals, and in particular for this boot camp, we have tied all the planning

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 efforts in sequence with the planning documents the city follows.

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 Those three documents or three references include comprehensive plan, a mobility plan,

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 and then our criteria manuals, which is on the -- as a last step for the implementation.

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 So it is essential that we -- before we go to the Mobility Plan goals and strategies,

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 we look at what are the mobility component goals for comprehensive plan.

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 Comprehensive plan has a mobility component, and it has four goals, and they go with M1,

465
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:21,000
 M2, 3, and 4, and so first goal is related to safe and efficient mobility.

466
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:29,720
 It is important to remember that this comprehensive plan is a large -- at large document, planning

467
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:37,420
 document, and it is supposed to be providing a global picture versus on a micro or more

468
00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:39,160
 focused approaches.

469
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:46,360
 So when comprehensive plan talks about goals, even if it is mobility, it takes care of land

470
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,480
 use and many other elements into picture.

471
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,240
 So when it comes to safe and efficient mobility, goal M1 talks about providing for the safe

472
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:02,560
 efficient movement of motor vehicles, bicycles, and pedestrians in a sustainable way that

473
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,620
 complements Denton's planned growth strategy.

474
00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:14,040
 And then goal M2, which talks about enhancing economy, where, you know, enhance -- it simply

475
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,960
 states that enhance Denton's economy by supporting the city's freight network.

476
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,080
 And when it comes to freight network, it also -- it means it includes the commercial land

477
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:31,000
 uses, warehouses, and many other uses, including airports and where these freight movements

478
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,980
 generate, and not to talk about thoroughfare plan, where these freeways would cover that.

479
00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:44,480
 Then goal M3 is nonmotorized mobility, which is -- in particular, it is focusing on pedestrian,

480
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:53,340
 bicyclists, walkability of the city, and any nonmotorization -- motorized transportation

481
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:55,520
 modes.

482
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:04,460
 And then goal M4 emphasize on public transit, which means that it is emphasizing multimodal

483
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:07,560
 improvements and public transit-related improvements.

484
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:14,800
 So with these four goals in mind, any strategy that mobility plan will develop, they have

485
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,400
 to encompass -- they have to be focused around these four goals.

486
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:26,400
 And if we -- and later on, we'll see that mobility plan goals and themes, they are focused

487
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,520
 around these.

488
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:36,840
 So when we look at the mobility plan, mobility plan doesn't go to mobility component directly.

489
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,320
 It talks in themes.

490
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:44,720
 First, it talks about four potential themes when it comes to mobility.

491
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,560
 And then within the themes, we have goals and objectives.

492
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,320
 And then under those objectives, based on those objectives, then we strategize.

493
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,600
 So this is the structure of mobility plan.

494
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:05,960
 So the way we will work in this presentation is that we will have comprehensive plan goal

495
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:13,440
 identified from this slide, and then we will go with mobility plan's themes and objectives

496
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:19,760
 and strategy relating to that goal as an example, so that we can understand that how the planning

497
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:27,280
 process has to tie not only to mobility plan objectives, but it has to -- in aggregate,

498
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:38,440
 it has -- all the planning efforts must tie with comprehensive plan mobility component.

499
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:46,760
 So to begin with, mobility plan goals are listed under the themes.

500
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,880
 And you would notice that, for example, we have prioritized safe travel.

501
00:34:50,880 --> 00:35:00,600
 That's one theme, and then under that theme, these goals are not necessarily in order.

502
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,840
 They are random, but they are aligned with the theme.

503
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:10,080
 For example, prioritized safe travel is one of the theme, and under that theme, we have

504
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,840
 established a vision zero plan.

505
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,680
 That is goal one.

506
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:21,560
 Then under that same theme, we have goal seven, which says utilize complete streets approach

507
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,800
 when improving Denton streets.

508
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:32,360
 And of course, then it's tying to another factor for these -- both the goals to acknowledging

509
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960
 the vulnerability of the users.

510
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,920
 So this is theme one, and it has two goals, goals one and goal seven.

511
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:49,680
 And this lens mark with the plus sign, that means that in this presentation, we will be

512
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:55,160
 covering -- due to time limitation, we will be covering two themes as an example case.

513
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,600
 And just to illustrate that how the process should work with the comprehensive plan and

514
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,440
 mobility plan goals and then strategies.

515
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:11,480
 And then if needed, we can expand it to other themes as well.

516
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,280
 And for instance, the theme two, deliver an effective network for travel.

517
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:23,200
 It identifies -- it links with goal five, four and three -- three, four and five, and

518
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,800
 then even two and six are in there as well.

519
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:34,120
 In this presentation, we will cover goal three, which is encourage development of regional

520
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:40,740
 transportation network that addresses regional mobility needs for all modes of travel.

521
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:46,740
 So imagine this could become very expanded process.

522
00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:49,960
 Imagine if we cover every goal and then every strategy.

523
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,760
 The objective is not to cover that.

524
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,680
 The objective is to understand the process, that how the planning process should be linked

525
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,800
 to comprehensive plan and mobility plan strategies.

526
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,840
 But staff will be happy to cover other themes as well.

527
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:15,000
 So in the top left part of this slide, you see theme one, which is prioritized safe travel.

528
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,240
 That is mobility plan themes.

529
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:24,160
 And the goal one of this theme is establish a vision zero action plan.

530
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,920
 So that is a mobility plan goal under the theme of prioritized safe travel.

531
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,540
 Let's look at what comprehensive plan says about it.

532
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:39,480
 So comprehensive plan's goal, M1, is about providing safe and efficient movement of motor,

533
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,480
 vehicles, bicycle, and pedestrian.

534
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,860
 It covers everything as it has to, I mean, as a aggregate planning document for the city.

535
00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:52,600
 It covers generally entire safety, comprehensively.

536
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:59,760
 Then mobility plan, through this theme, asks about prioritizing safety.

537
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:07,080
 And then it lays objectives and provides a goal one of establishing a vision zero plan.

538
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,000
 And under the goal one, we have objectives.

539
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,240
 We have objective 1A, 1B, and 1C.

540
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,360
 Objective 1A says safety is the number one priority.

541
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:25,000
 And then selected strategies go under, that how do we achieve that, we design, evaluate,

542
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:33,880
 operate, and enforce speeds, and ensure that improve the ability of all users when it comes

543
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,400
 to safe movement.

544
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:44,480
 Objective 1B, for instance, covers implement education and enforcement initiatives.

545
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:53,040
 And it is, in many of our community meetings we have had with the community members, staff

546
00:38:53,040 --> 00:39:01,000
 has emphasized this aspect as well, that there has to be some awareness and education and

547
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,400
 awareness exercise because two parts of this equation, safety equation.

548
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:12,120
 One is enforcement, regulations, and standards that we set, that okay, we'll have stop sign.

549
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,680
 We'll have speed, posted speed limit.

550
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,760
 That is one side of this safety equation that city is doing.

551
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,080
 The other part of the equation is that are the community members following those?

552
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,120
 Are they stopping?

553
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:32,460
 Are they stopping on the stop sign or are there red light violations, for instance?

554
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:33,460
 And how do we deal with that?

555
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:42,080
 So no standards can ensure that those are followed unless community wants to follow

556
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,080
 them.

557
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,000
 So I think there has to be education and awareness campaign and mobility plan as part of objective

558
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
 1B is emphasizing on that.

559
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,920
 And so this is one example.

560
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:59,800
 So it is covering that aspect which staff and perhaps council members and mobility community

561
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,680
 members are also observing during the community engagement meetings.

562
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,960
 More and more we are getting, staff is getting requests about the community member, well,

563
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,520
 the drivers are not following the stop sign.

564
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,680
 So add another stop sign.

565
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:24,720
 But the idea is about awareness and education on how important it is to follow these signages.

566
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:31,960
 And many other behavioral aspects could be covered through objective 1C talks about prioritizing

567
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,000
 funding for the safety improvements.

568
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:41,480
 And of course the selected strategies in that city must apply for these fundings and look

569
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,320
 for these opportunities wherever they are.

570
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,520
 Then look at, so again we are on the theme 1 of mobility plan which is about prioritizing

571
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,440
 safety and the goal 7, there were two goals in the theme 1.

572
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:01,340
 And the 7th goal is utilize the complete street approach when improving Denton streets.

573
00:41:01,340 --> 00:41:04,360
 So that is a goal, goal 7.

574
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:11,480
 Again we look at comprehensive plan, the goal M3 is about, all about safety.

575
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:19,280
 So it is emphasizing that provide, make, ensure that the travel experience for all road users,

576
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:26,760
 all road users including auto, bicyclist, pedestrian and any other, now we can add micro

577
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,920
 mobility users as well in our new update to the mobility plan and comprehensive plan mobility

578
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,920
 component.

579
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:39,000
 So again going to objective 7A, it talks about create a transportation network for mobility

580
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,060
 needs of all residents.

581
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:50,400
 So what it is suggesting is that when we are designing the facilities, we should have and

582
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,960
 rightfully so our street sections, they cover that aspect where we have multi-use path that

583
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,880
 could cover bicyclist and pedestrian as a standard for our street cross sections.

584
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:10,600
 And then we have sufficient capacity that is level of based on defined on level of service.

585
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:16,880
 And then we are also connecting multimodal aspects that okay if these users are pedestrian,

586
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:23,200
 they are traveling to certain transit station or stop or certain use, land use, we ensure

587
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,440
 that they are connected.

588
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:34,200
 They are not, they don't have these sidewalks or multi-use paths that are not going anywhere.

589
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:40,460
 So I think that is the aspect which objective 7A is highlighting.

590
00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:48,040
 Objective 7B is highlighting that preserve the character of our residential neighborhoods.

591
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:54,520
 So that ties to existing and developed neighborhood and how we can, how the new developments may

592
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,240
 not impact their character and how their character could be preserved.

593
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:04,140
 And in many cases, community members have to be part of that process as well.

594
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:09,080
 And staff has observed that as well in many cases when staff goes for any improvements

595
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,840
 or present any improvements.

596
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,240
 In many cases, community members provide the opinion that we do not want many changes in

597
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,240
 the community.

598
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,240
 So I think that is part of the process.

599
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:30,500
 And then when it comes to outcomes, staff is planning to present in the next slide how

600
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:35,560
 this whole process worked for us when it comes to fiscal year 2024.

601
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:43,160
 And did we do enough effort to ensure that we are following comprehensive plan guidelines

602
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:51,160
 and mobility plan, are we achieving the objectives set and goals set by mobility plan?

603
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,660
 Some of the initiatives include citywide, some of the citywide initiatives include that

604
00:43:55,660 --> 00:44:06,380
 vision zero phase two implementation plan, which is in line with the goal one of mobility

605
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:07,380
 plan.

606
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:13,120
 And then it also is in line with goal M3 of comprehensive mobility plan component.

607
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:20,360
 Several road safety AD implementations have been done and the details have been provided

608
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,280
 in the last report provided by the staff.

609
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,400
 And multiple mobility plan amendments were approved during the last year in fiscal year

610
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,400
 2024.

611
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:36,960
 Bicycle pedestrian project prioritization is in place, the process is in place, and staff

612
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,200
 has developed the criteria and now we are developing the prioritized list.

613
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:54,040
 And traffic operations, the staff implemented a lot of signal installation, retrofits and

614
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,080
 operational improvements, signages, all of those details are provided in the report.

615
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:05,520
 And these projects were used by city provided funds in many cases with grants.

616
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,880
 And of course this city management's guidance was there as well in prioritizing these projects

617
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,960
 and ensuring that we are implementing those.

618
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:23,560
 And on the award side, one of the objectives stated that city should seek funds for transportation

619
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,360
 or mobility projects.

620
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:31,560
 And transportation services division has been proactively looking for funds.

621
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:41,080
 And in fiscal year 2024, transportation services is applied for about $120 million worth of

622
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,120
 federal, state and local grants funding for the transportation projects.

623
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:55,240
 And 90%, I would say, with confidence that 90% of the projects had bike pad component

624
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:59,000
 in all of them and safety components in all of the projects that we applied.

625
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:05,000
 One reason is that the federal guidelines are asked to include these components to ensure

626
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,660
 that we are covering all modes.

627
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:13,200
 But another aspect is that as a city staff and then based on council's priority, city

628
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,560
 staff is putting this as a priority.

629
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:26,160
 I would not go through all these awards that we have received, but USDOT SS4A awards boils

630
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:32,240
 down to around $4 million that we have applied and have been awarded as well.

631
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:38,600
 And we are also looking at FEMA-based grant to apply for collaborative funding.

632
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,440
 With that grant, we are preparing the grant right now.

633
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,960
 We are looking at the methods and analyses.

634
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:50,960
 But it will cover comprehensive plan update that is coming next year, will be kicked off.

635
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:57,760
 And then transit 2.0, demographic synthesis for city of Denton.

636
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,600
 And then last, it will also cover trails master plan.

637
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,160
 This project will be a collaborative effort between planning division, transportation

638
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,120
 services and parks and rec department.

639
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:14,880
 So three departments are joining forces to spearhead this.

640
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,920
 And many other fundings, these are listed here.

641
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:23,460
 If any questions, staff would be happy to address those.

642
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:29,720
 And I must say that out of $120 million that we applied, so far we have been awarded around

643
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:33,520
 $45 million.

644
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:42,160
 And for the mobility, when it comes to goal two, which is maintain a state of good repair

645
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:49,360
 on Denton streets, the first, again, it aligns with comprehensive plan goal M3.

646
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:58,360
 And then the objectives, there are two objectives, 2A and 2B, to implement policies that encourage

647
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:05,320
 and accommodate all users while maintaining the efficiency of the circulation system.

648
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:11,000
 And so it is covering the aspect of traffic congestion and trying to address that there

649
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:18,280
 should be multiple choices to the road users, not only in terms of road choices or route

650
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:24,880
 choices, but also more choices in terms of if a person wants to go to a certain destination

651
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:32,500
 by walking, by bike, by bus or by auto trip, via auto trip.

652
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:37,000
 So I think all those choices should be available and through efficient circulation, the traffic

653
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,880
 congestion should be addressed.

654
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,760
 And construct street improvement and apply congestion management tools to obtain efficient

655
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,840
 performance of the transport system.

656
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:53,600
 Again, it is emphasizing on congestion management system, which is pointing towards the game

657
00:48:53,600 --> 00:49:03,700
 theory of better route choice or travel time, which goes on for every driver on the road.

658
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:08,020
 Everybody wants to get from their origin to destination in the shortest possible time,

659
00:49:08,020 --> 00:49:13,680
 but at the same time, there are traffic operations things, there are route options, which option

660
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:14,680
 will be better.

661
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:25,440
 So I think this staff is observing this in perspective of these objectives and aligning

662
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,560
 it with the comprehensive plan, mobility plan objectives, and then further strategies on

663
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,960
 how these can be implemented.

664
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:39,640
 And then goal three, which is perhaps the last goal that will be covered, even though

665
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:45,800
 the theme two covers goal two, three, four, five, six, and perhaps seven as well.

666
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,440
 Let me go back and check very quickly.

667
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,800
 Yeah, so it covers two, three, four, five, and six.

668
00:49:52,800 --> 00:50:01,400
 So it covers five goals, but due to time limitations, staff is covering only objectives three A

669
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,680
 and three B, and then we can cover them later on if needed.

670
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:18,240
 And so fiscal year 2024, 25 outcomes for goals two and three, staff has been engaged in stakeholder

671
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:25,260
 coordination within Texas and also out of Texas as well.

672
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:31,280
 On federal level, we have monthly meetings with Federal Highway Administration, FTA,

673
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:37,040
 and NHTSA whenever there is a meeting scheduled with them.

674
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:49,040
 And then we are also in touch with USDOJ for ADA, and also board of, I think it's board

675
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,080
 for ADA that we are in touch with.

676
00:50:52,080 --> 00:51:00,200
 And then there is regular monthly meeting with Tech Start, DCTA, Denton Cowdy, and then

677
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,200
 NCTCOG.

678
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:07,840
 At NCTCOG, staff is representing at S-TECH, which is main source of all planning efforts

679
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,600
 in the region, and staff is there to present city's interest.

680
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:18,000
 And then also staff is also attending RTC with Councilmember Gilgestra.

681
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:26,320
 And for the ADA, as I mentioned, USDOJ, US Access Board, and Tech Start,

682
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:35,080
 we are continuously meeting with them and then also ensuring that city's complying to all the requirements set forth by them.

683
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:41,440
 Recently, City of Denton got three years compliance on ADA with Tech Start and

684
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:49,200
 USDOT, and we are also now in communication with Tech Start and USDOT to ensure that we

685
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,060
 prepare for next three years compliance as well.

686
00:51:53,060 --> 00:52:09,280
 And so the transportation planning process can be defined in very connected approach,

687
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,640
 in a connected approach where we rely on our standard planning documents or references,

688
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,720
 including comprehensive plan, including mobility plan, and last but not least, our criteria

689
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:21,720
 manuals.

690
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:28,120
 And this will ensure that we are aligned with our plans, long term plans.

691
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:37,600
 And then we have a collective vision for implementing things in city, and understandably there could

692
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:45,040
 be some initiatives which could be need-based or urgent, based on urgent needs.

693
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:51,720
 But in general, staff recommends that we generally align our major initiatives with mobility

694
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:59,960
 plan and comprehensive plan, how they are prioritizing things, and then we align our

695
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,120
 initiatives based on those.

696
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:13,360
 And that is one way of achieving resilient future and a livable city for all.

697
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:18,320
 I always feel just so much more highly educated when you speak.

698
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,280
 That was some good information.

699
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,560
 I had a couple of questions.

700
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:31,200
 Advanced air mobility, $2 million, what does that do for us in terms of whatever advanced

701
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,160
 air mobility is, and what can $2 million do for us?

702
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:43,360
 Yes, so this advanced air mobility was an opportunity for city to lead this effort in

703
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,000
 Dallas Fort Worth region.

704
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:52,720
 There's an initiative by US federal government where the federal government is looking for

705
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:58,480
 locations in the US where these projects could be test piloted.

706
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:05,360
 And this advanced air mobility, they will be pilot projects, but those projects will

707
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:11,200
 be decided based on the city's readiness, local jurisdictions readiness.

708
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,760
 This $2 million project was timely for city of Denton.

709
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:22,920
 We applied ahead of many other cities, and in partnership with NCTCOG and Tech Start.

710
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:29,560
 And what it means is that city of Denton would be looking at developing comprehensive plan

711
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:36,560
 for advanced air mobility initiative, how it will start, what the planning stages would

712
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:42,480
 be, what kind of technologies would be tested, and how it has five components.

713
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,080
 When staff drafted this proposal, economic development was a major piece into it because

714
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:57,220
 via advanced air mobility, staff recognizes that most of the users, most of the end users

715
00:54:57,220 --> 00:55:06,720
 would be warehouses, and these companies such as Amazon or FedEx or DHL and many others.

716
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:13,200
 So this presents a golden opportunity for city to plan ahead and ensure that when the

717
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:20,400
 pilot project starts by the US federal government, we will be ready and we'll be one of the locations.

718
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:28,000
 I just happened to be on a new member of the economic development team, and we were talking

719
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:36,040
 about the advanced air drones, how we're going to be more centric in air transportation and

720
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,040
 delivery.

721
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,040
 Yes.

722
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:43,760
 And what you're saying basically is that we're preparing to do all of that, being prepared

723
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,080
 for drones or things like that.

724
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,080
 Is that what that means?

725
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,080
 Yes.

726
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,080
 I'm talking about on a kindergarten level.

727
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,080
 Yes, that's what it means.

728
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:58,600
 And essentially it is not only warehouses, it is access to first response, medical side

729
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:09,440
 of things, to taking access to hospitals and creating multiple modes that would be just

730
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:15,280
 like we have mobility as a service, Uber, Lyft, there could be services that would bypass

731
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,880
 congestion in future and provide fastest routes.

732
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,740
 And all those possibilities would be there, but we cannot be there overnight.

733
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:29,400
 We have to prepare for that, and this $2 million will help us understand.

734
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,400
 That's great.

735
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,400
 I love that.

736
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:41,320
 And then my other question is going to our entity that's probably closest to us, DCTA.

737
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,320
 You know what?

738
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:47,240
 I'm going to be honest and say I've never been to a DCTA meeting, I haven't been on

739
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,200
 the board or anything like that.

740
00:56:50,200 --> 00:57:00,040
 When we're sitting down with DCTA, how is our, I mean, explain a little bit more about

741
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:06,280
 that multimodal improvement, just talk to us about what that looks like, funding and

742
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,280
 all of that.

743
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,760
 We have a very collaborative process with DCTA, and staff meets with DCTA every month

744
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:20,360
 with their planning and operation staff, and also staff also attends the board meetings.

745
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:29,920
 So there are multimodal efforts that both DCTA and City of Denton are doing in collaboration.

746
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,700
 One example is TRIP.

747
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:38,160
 So in case of TRIP, we receive at least $4 million to $5 million every year from DCTA,

748
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:45,080
 and staff and DCTA staff work together to develop projects that are multimodal enhancements

749
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,080
 based.

750
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:53,080
 And those projects are purely for cities improvements to ensure that we are providing improvements

751
00:57:53,080 --> 00:58:01,640
 for multimodal access to transit, and they include walkability, pedestrian, bike path,

752
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,880
 and overall other access as well.

753
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:10,800
 As part of the TRIP project, we have also been able to get one of the signals installed.

754
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,520
 It's that collaborative effort.

755
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:20,560
 And on other fronts, we are also part of their strategic planning process as well.

756
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,440
 We sit in meetings together to discuss future projects.

757
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:34,400
 And lastly, we have been, based on last meeting, we are discussing some initiatives that City

758
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,800
 of Denton and DCTA would launch together.

759
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,960
 So there are a lot of collaborative avenues, and we have a very good partnership with DCTA.

760
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:43,960
 Thank you.

761
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:44,960
 Thank you.

762
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:45,960
 Anyone else have any other questions?

763
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,960
 Please.

764
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,960
 Yes.

765
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:54,160
 I had another question, but the advanced air mobility as it pertains to medical.

766
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,800
 Tell me what that looks like, even in its infancy.

767
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:05,040
 So typical air mobility would need a landing and takeoff pad that would require at least

768
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,040
 a kilometer of runway.

769
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:13,840
 In case of advanced air mobility, these are hovering aircraft, and they just take off.

770
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:21,180
 It's called EVTOL, Electricity Based Vertical Takeoff.

771
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:25,280
 So it just does not need a lot of landing or takeoff space.

772
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,580
 It just takes off from where the equipment is and takes off vertically.

773
00:59:30,580 --> 00:59:32,440
 And so that's the edge.

774
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,640
 So when it comes to, imagine there's an incident on a freeway.

775
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:44,880
 And now the first response need would be either a chopper, which is relatively slower speed,

776
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,520
 but that is an extreme case.

777
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:55,280
 But in regular cases, it would be an ambulance trying to access the site through congested

778
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,280
 freeway.

779
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:04,520
 In this case, this EVTOL could be approaching to the scene, and as long as we can provide,

780
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,720
 that could be created.

781
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:14,720
 That EVTOL would rush and can land and pick up the victims and take them within minutes

782
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,960
 to the first response and to hospital.

783
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,640
 That's an extreme example.

784
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:28,160
 In some cases, this could be provided if, let's say, a surgeon is needed within 30 minutes

785
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,680
 for a patient who is in a critical condition.

786
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:38,240
 And the surgeon is on the other part of the city, and that surgeon could be lifted from

787
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,800
 another EVTOL location, which is typically called Bertie Port.

788
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,240
 And if city of Denton and Dallas and some other cities have Bertie Ports, they could

789
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:52,800
 be lifted and directly taken to the hospital.

790
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,800
 That's one example.

791
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,320
 But there are many other uses.

792
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:02,320
 Organs could be transported, and the list goes on.

793
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,640
 That in my mind was what I was thinking, but I didn't think that that was going to be a

794
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,640
 real thing.

795
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:16,080
 Having a human being on an Amazon thing and shipping them around, that's almost cadence.

796
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,600
 We're not going to drop them on the cable, Joe.

797
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,600
 No.

798
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,600
 It will be EVTOL.

799
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:25,520
 It will still be, I think, even though they could be autonomous.

800
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,240
 But in the early stages, they will be human operated.

801
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,920
 But yes, I totally see that.

802
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:39,320
 As a matter of fact, right now at DFW Airport, we have autonomous loop that just keeps going

803
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,320
 around on the airport terminals, and no drivers run it, right?

804
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,560
 No engineers run it.

805
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:51,400
 So I think the same way it could be achieved, autonomous EVTOLs are there in the future.

806
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,440
 In near future, by the way, it's like 10, 15 years away.

807
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:01,280
 But this is a golden opportunity for city to kickstart the process, the planning process,

808
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:08,200
 understand one of the components of this proposal was understanding the technology piece.

809
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:17,560
 And we have collaborated with UNT professors and SMU to get a better understanding of that.

810
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,560
 Okay.

811
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:30,080
 Now, my real question was, is the electric scooter thing enough of a category to be considered

812
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,360
 yet?

813
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,680
 Yes, it's a micro mobility option.

814
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:42,280
 The thing that intrigues me about those is that they, speaking as the operator, they're

815
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:49,640
 pedestrians until they want to get into the main street, and now they're vehicles.

816
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:57,840
 Bicycles in Texas are considered motor vehicles, although that's an oxymoron, but I'm just

817
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,160
 wondering, is there a category for electric scooters?

818
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,320
 I see kids riding them, grownups, the whole thing.

819
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:11,360
 These are micro mobility modes, but when it comes to regulating them in terms of registration

820
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:16,760
 and citing any violations, that work is still undergoing.

821
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:22,720
 And in many jurisdictions, in some jurisdictions, there are rules and regulations in place in

822
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,960
 the US, but not a lot.

823
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,840
 But this work is continuing, and in the near future, there will be some, there's a possibility

824
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,120
 that there will be some regulations, in particular for street use.

825
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,120
 Interesting.

826
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,120
 Interesting.

827
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,120
 Okay.

828
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,120
 Thank you.

829
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,120
 Thank you, Chair.

830
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,120
 Dr. Bate?

831
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,120
 Thank you.

832
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,120
 Yeah.

833
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:51,480
 I mean, with the EV, Greensense rebates, we've watched the number of EVs triple in Denton,

834
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:56,360
 and they drive around like motorcycles rather than like bicycles.

835
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:04,040
 Just as an anecdote to Councilor Holland's point, I want to start off with, I love that

836
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,560
 while you've been doing a lot of analysis, you're not really getting into the analysis

837
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:13,560
 paralysis per se, you're fairly action, I'm glad you're on the slide, you're fairly action

838
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,440
 biased, which is great.

839
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,080
 I really love that.

840
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:22,600
 I encourage you to stay action biased as much as possible.

841
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:28,000
 It gets really challenging to, you want to make 10 year plans and then not really get

842
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,000
 anything done.

843
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,720
 I appreciate that you're getting some things done, because that's a common complaint in

844
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:40,800
 communication with the citizenry that, you know, what are we actually doing boots on

845
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,280
 the ground?

846
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:49,520
 And so, but I mean, again, that takes me to my direct question is, and a lot of our objectives,

847
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:57,440
 we want to do a thing, you talked about education and enforcement, and I think that remains

848
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,320
 and probably will always remain a perennial barrier.

849
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:07,760
 So part of this first question is, what are we doing in terms of communication?

850
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:16,200
 And especially, what are we doing in terms of communication during times of transition?

851
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:21,200
 One of the biggest communication barriers that I'm seeing is, as we try to implement

852
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:28,000
 vertical ports and more sidewalks and safe routes to school and road improvement, some

853
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:34,920
 of that is creates unintended consequence problems because the citizens don't know what you're

854
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,560
 up to, and then they bang into your changes.

855
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:44,360
 Even though your changes are awesome, the citizens don't think of them as awesome, because

856
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,440
 they don't understand what's going on.

857
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:55,080
 So talk a little bit about that education component that you're up to, especially during

858
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,920
 transitional moments.

859
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:05,320
 So when it comes to, there are two components, as you highlighted, first, all of these awards,

860
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,000
 they're highly competitive.

861
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:14,960
 So it's not just us who are trying to do implementation-based work as staff, but if we don't do it, we will

862
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:15,960
 not be selected.

863
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:21,320
 So I think that is part of the requirement by federal government and state, that what

864
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,320
 is the outcome?

865
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:28,600
 Show us that, and not only in words, but by analysis and by methods that you are going

866
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:29,600
 to use.

867
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:35,120
 So they are highly criticized, and highly, we have at least three, four review sessions

868
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,360
 with them before these gets approved.

869
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:42,960
 So there's a lot of technical analysis work is behind them, which staff does.

870
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:48,040
 In each of these cases, because imagine 50 states, jurisdiction from all 50 states are

871
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:49,040
 applying for that.

872
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,680
 So why they select us, because we have to stand on merit.

873
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:58,920
 The second question about the processes, there are two parts to that.

874
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,680
 One is planning side of things that we don't miss the opportunities, and that's where you

875
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,320
 will see mobility plan update coming.

876
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:13,920
 We will be making education awareness as one of the focus areas and re-strategize as part

877
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,120
 of that, and see how practically we can improve things.

878
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:24,600
 We will look at enforcement awareness campaigns, and campaigns from the city side, and many

879
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,880
 other things.

880
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,160
 So that is the planning side.

881
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,760
 We are covering mobility plan update, we are covering comprehensive plan update, we are

882
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:41,800
 covering ADA transition plan update, and we are covering active transportation plan update

883
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,640
 through federal dollars.

884
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:49,280
 All of this will be federal dollars, except minor local matches, and we are trying to

885
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,040
 get funds for those as well.

886
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,480
 So that is the planning side of things.

887
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,720
 We have to look for these opportunities, we cannot just be focused on implementation,

888
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:02,340
 but if we are not focusing on planning side of things, our implementation may be impacted.

889
01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:08,360
 So we have covered that as staff, and under the guidance of city management, we are putting

890
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:09,640
 effort towards that.

891
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,120
 Now comes the implementation side.

892
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:17,600
 So there are opportunities from the funds available, from city's funds, where we can

893
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,360
 do only so much.

894
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:26,580
 And we have been putting, I would say we were negative in last year, so we put so much money.

895
01:08:26,580 --> 01:08:33,000
 So we had to implement things, and whatever came our way in prioritized format, we implemented

896
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,040
 all of them.

897
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:39,520
 So the funds allocated to transportation services were, at least in safety and ADA side, we

898
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,020
 went, we were very close to be negative.

899
01:08:42,020 --> 01:08:49,600
 So we spent all that, and on top of that, we had funding from grants, which we are using.

900
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,480
 As a second step, so that is city's provided funds that we have, and we are utilizing them,

901
01:08:55,480 --> 01:09:00,600
 and more and more now we are prioritizing them as well, and not reacting to requests,

902
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,720
 but asking ourselves that, what is the strategy here?

903
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:08,880
 Are we covering this as part of a larger expansion project two years down the road?

904
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,640
 If we are covering, hold this budget, because this will be wasted then.

905
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,280
 Otherwise, we'll be spending money again.

906
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:20,280
 Then the second step is that we are reaching out to our external partners, and CityCog,

907
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:27,320
 for example, Western Transportation Corridor, we have been awarded $5 million to implement

908
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,320
 it.

909
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:36,720
 That is an expansion that would look at bike pad component of it, and accessibility component

910
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:42,320
 of it, ADA transition, sorry, ADA compliance component of it, and expansion of lane.

911
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:49,320
 So that is, so we, as staff, we are not submitting projects for external opportunities for implementation,

912
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,640
 which are just focused on one mode.

913
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,600
 Whenever we are submitting projects, those projects have all these components.

914
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,520
 They are prioritized as well.

915
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:03,080
 We discussed with CIP, we sit with city management, city manager's office, and transportation

916
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:07,160
 services, and we decide that, okay, Western Transportation Corridor, we don't have funds,

917
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,160
 we need to prioritize this.

918
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:13,320
 Another example is East Windsor Connector.

919
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:19,480
 That was prioritized through multiple meetings with Tech Start, and then we, as part of SS4A

920
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:28,280
 2024, which has been awarded $740,000, we again put money towards demonstration project,

921
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,880
 and that is one of our demonstration projects.

922
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,280
 And the list goes on.

923
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:40,040
 Again, staff has submitted, set aside grant for $15.6 million to Tech Start, and that

924
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:49,360
 is also part of, has comprehensive trails and walkability and multimodal components

925
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:50,360
 into that.

926
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:54,160
 So staff is covering all aspects as much as possible.

927
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,760
 So just as a follow-up, and then I'm done, I'm going to encourage you to continue to

928
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:59,760
 do all those things.

929
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,520
 That was great.

930
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:08,160
 To the extent that we possibly can, again, in front of the communication, so folks in

931
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:15,280
 the community are aware, it's not specific to our transportation services, a human problem

932
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:20,880
 of how do you make your citizens aware, so, but I think that would go a long way because

933
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:27,620
 people absorb when they understand better, they complain a lot less, they facilitate

934
01:11:27,620 --> 01:11:31,480
 their own actions when they're aware of the changes a lot more.

935
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:39,240
 So I'm going to be pushing a lot of proactive, outward-facing communication with our citizens.

936
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,880
 But I wonder if there's not an opportunity for some passive communication, and by passive

937
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:50,320
 communication I mean engineering approaches, when you put bumps in the roads or you put

938
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:55,800
 signage or you otherwise put engineering, I think one of the later elements is sort

939
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,200
 of engineering approaches, bollards and bump outs and things.

940
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,080
 You're communicating with the citizens what you want them to do, but you're not requiring

941
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:08,040
 a stakeholder engagement meeting, which takes a lot of time, you're putting that out there

942
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:13,200
 to make it much more clear with signage, with engineering approaches, what the citizens

943
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:14,200
 should do.

944
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:20,720
 It is a lot about expectation management, so the more we can increase expectation management

945
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:32,560
 in our community, the more you'll be even more successful.

946
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,320
 Thank you so much for this report.

947
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:42,000
 This is just so encouraging, and I just, to add on with what Dr. Beck said as well, one

948
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:49,000
 of the things I was just, I have a similar, I see a similar opportunity, my background

949
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:55,960
 is in marketing and web design and all that kind of stuff, and so looking at the hub right

950
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:02,120
 now on the city website for the mobility plan, it's just kind of links to documents, and

951
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,200
 I know we've got the Discover Denton site, or, is it the-

952
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,200
 Discuss Denton.

953
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,200
 Discuss Denton.

954
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,240
 That's what I have here.

955
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:14,480
 I just think that there's potential for some really creative and even kind of fun ways

956
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:21,320
 to, number one, toot our own horn, like look at what our city is doing for us.

957
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,160
 This is incredible work.

958
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:30,760
 I think there's got to be some cool creative ways for us to promote the incredible work

959
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:37,040
 that our staff is doing, whether that's through social media or get them on a podcast or do

960
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:45,440
 an interview, but then even as, in the meantime, in the report you did, the semi-annual report,

961
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:51,520
 I think, Beck, that you did in September or August, there's like 20 pages of awesome small

962
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:57,160
 little projects that you guys did with picture evidence that, you know, I'm taking screen

963
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,080
 grabs and sharing that to my friends.

964
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,960
 Those I think could be promoted.

965
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:07,120
 I'm wondering, in the meantime, while we're doing these really big goals for Denton, which

966
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:11,560
 I think also need to be explained and help people that are going to be here for a long

967
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:16,400
 time feel excited about those big changes, I would encourage staff to maybe think about

968
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:23,920
 having some way to have like a small projects tracker or kind of like a running, I don't

969
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,720
 know, list of just kind of like look at all these cool things that we're doing.

970
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:33,240
 I think that that builds that goodwill and who knows, you might get like thank you cards

971
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,960
 from kids or residents if they're like, wow, you guys did that.

972
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:42,080
 And the other thing I was wondering about too is, you know, as we see these kind of

973
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:47,320
 smaller projects, I know we want to think big, but in the meantime, we've got, we do,

974
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,960
 our residents do see need and they do want quick action.

975
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:56,320
 When I think about like our parks department, how we've got volunteer days to come out and

976
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,560
 do things at our parks where we've got the tree give Arbor Day or whatever.

977
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:06,040
 We've got these big kind of collaborative opportunities for that department.

978
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:11,920
 I'm wondering, is there any way we, as we're looking at this, can we create sort of a citizen

979
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:19,280
 mobility bootcamp or citizen mobility volunteer group that if we see, hey, we'd like to paint

980
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:25,000
 out, you know, an intersection near a school with some colorful bump outs and we've all

981
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,160
 the city, maybe the city, you know, does the work to draw it up, buy the paint, but then

982
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,600
 as far as the actual labor, we've got a team of volunteers.

983
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:38,520
 I feel like this is, if any community could get volunteers to paint or to put something

984
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,160
 in a road, I feel like Denton is that community.

985
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,840
 Is that something that has been thought through as we're working on these really long term

986
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,960
 goals?

987
01:15:48,960 --> 01:16:01,080
 And look for city manager's office for guidance, but from professional standpoint, it ties

988
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:06,400
 to maintainability and resources and how many examples we can set.

989
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:12,720
 But of course, when the paint weathers out, how we ensure that it is not a hazard.

990
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,360
 So I think all of those questions come from professional standpoint.

991
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:24,480
 We have to look for that when it comes to standards, they caution us on doing so.

992
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:27,720
 I'll just add, but it, but it feels good.

993
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,920
 Like even if it's something where, okay, maybe in two years we'll have an issue with the

994
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:37,320
 paint, but from a marketing point of view, from just a goodwill point of view, great

995
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,640
 photo op, great way to get our community involved, to feel like they're a part of the solution,

996
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:46,400
 to feel like they're right now in the past four or five years, people are looking for

997
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:47,400
 a connection.

998
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,560
 They want to be a part of the solutions in our town.

999
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,480
 They're ready to get down and dirty and paint stuff or install things.

1000
01:16:54,480 --> 01:17:00,440
 I know we've got standards, obviously we'd want to surpass those standards, but just

1001
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:04,000
 throwing that out there that we've got lots of people that I think would love to help

1002
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,080
 in any way, even if it's just distributing information.

1003
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:14,760
 One avenue where staff request is community engagement process or community awareness.

1004
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,440
 As I said, two sides of equation.

1005
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:22,960
 If something could be done, that is the avenue where we can put a major dent into a big problem,

1006
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,040
 bigger problem.

1007
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:29,720
 And the problem is that we have infrastructure in place, we have stop signs, we have posted

1008
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:30,840
 speed signs.

1009
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,200
 And if the community members are not following that, it becomes a bigger problem.

1010
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:39,560
 So if we want to do some initiative like that, staff would recommend that we put some efforts

1011
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:45,240
 towards awareness and education and awareness campaigns through council members and mobility

1012
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,560
 committee members help and CMO can, of course, provide more guidance.

1013
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:56,240
 I think it's an interesting idea and we'll definitely take it back and brainstorm some

1014
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,240
 ideas.

1015
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:04,960
 I think we do have a citizen academy that we encourage folks to attend and it's not

1016
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:10,440
 just mobility focus, but it's all departments and so we can we've talked about maybe adding

1017
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:15,200
 some type of project component to to your point about getting people involved a little

1018
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,880
 bit more.

1019
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,280
 But we'll take your feedback and see what we can come up with.

1020
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:20,280
 So thank you.

1021
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,840
 Isn't that wonderful to see that your words can come to life?

1022
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:25,840
 That's pretty awesome.

1023
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,520
 Did you have anything else?

1024
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:35,880
 Hey, I wanted to add discuss didn't you were noting that I think that even as council members,

1025
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:44,040
 we can do a better job of reminding folks to go to discuss didn't and find those projects

1026
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,960
 that they were concerned about.

1027
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,400
 And I understand it discussed it and keeps up with that pretty well much.

1028
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,160
 So thank you for that.

1029
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,320
 And I'll make sure that I'm at the end of every meeting.

1030
01:18:54,320 --> 01:19:00,120
 If I can remember, I need to write it down, then I can make note of discussed in the 311,

1031
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,320
 you know, and those are the things that we can get to quickly.

1032
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:09,960
 Okay, so we're going to move down to MC 25052 staff memorandum.

1033
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,840
 First one is Eva Street parking follow up.

1034
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:18,680
 Did anyone have any information or any any concerns about the Eva Street parking follow

1035
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:19,760
 up?

1036
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:27,840
 I'm just going to ask if staff could just stay aware of this, this this hasn't gone

1037
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:28,840
 away.

1038
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,040
 I take the point that was in there.

1039
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:40,040
 It remains a an itchy lack of satisfaction point in in the Evers area community.

1040
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:47,960
 I take steps point that it is in our with our priority of safety over other elements,

1041
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,240
 and I don't want to break that at all.

1042
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:56,960
 But just it to the extent that you could put some some background brain cells on that and

1043
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,240
 continue to monitor that a little bit.

1044
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,000
 If there's opportunities, you mentioned some possible opportunities.

1045
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:07,080
 Yes, please keep your eye on those possible opportunities because it remains a sore point

1046
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,080
 in the community.

1047
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,080
 Sure.

1048
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,800
 All right, bike funds project criteria.

1049
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:19,600
 Anybody have any concerns, questions, comments on the next one?

1050
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:20,600
 Yes.

1051
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,600
 Dr. Begg.

1052
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,080
 Yay, you have a coordinator to start next week.

1053
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:26,080
 Yes, October 27th.

1054
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:30,360
 Oh, I know many people in our in our bike pit community there.

1055
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:35,120
 They're super excited when they learned about this in the backup.

1056
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:40,440
 I think we keep picking good people and we start to make progress and we start to get

1057
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:45,760
 momentum and then for reasons that have very little to do with the city of Denton, they

1058
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,040
 go away.

1059
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,720
 And so hopefully not knock a little wood.

1060
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:58,400
 Dr. Maloney, or however you say her name is, is will be a long lasting opportunity and

1061
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,020
 someone that can provide some focus.

1062
01:21:00,020 --> 01:21:03,040
 So I'm I'm really excited.

1063
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,920
 So my only comment is, yay, and let's see if we can hit the ground running.

1064
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:07,920
 Urban planning.

1065
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:08,920
 All right.

1066
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:09,920
 Several years.

1067
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,160
 Just a quick question on that.

1068
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:17,200
 And this might be something that could be added eventually to the agenda.

1069
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:22,040
 But I was wondering, as we're looking for the criteria for prioritizing sidewalk and

1070
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:31,400
 bike lane projects, what is there an element in there that that takes a look at how families

1071
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,820
 and children are utilizing those kinds of facilities?

1072
01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:41,720
 Is there is there a category for that as you're looking through this criteria process?

1073
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:47,760
 >> Yes, as a standard element of these criteria, one of the requirement is that if the elementary

1074
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:54,680
 school kids have to have a crossing that is hazardous, that gets 100% score.

1075
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,520
 >> Okay, thank you.

1076
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:02,640
 >> Sidewalk heat insensitivity, anybody, did you have anything down on this end?

1077
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:11,200
 >> Yeah, sidewalk heat insensitivity, insensitivity, I wanted to say insensitivity, up a little

1078
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:12,200
 bit.

1079
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:13,200
 There you go, right there.

1080
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,200
 >> Yeah.

1081
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:15,200
 >> Intensity.

1082
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,200
 >> I know, I was saying insensitivity.

1083
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,680
 >> We're all sensitive to sidewalks.

1084
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:18,680
 >> Right, intensity.

1085
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,820
 Yes, sir, Dr. Begg?

1086
01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:25,720
 >> So I'm going to gently push back on this entire paragraph.

1087
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:36,200
 I understand the implications of the cost of colored concrete as an additive, but that's

1088
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:43,160
 because that approach is a standard approach to increasing the albedo of the sidewalk is

1089
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:48,480
 to color them or paint them or something like that, and I get that we're looking to that,

1090
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:56,200
 but one of the things that I have been in many committees and on council pushing is

1091
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:57,200
 two factors.

1092
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:05,440
 One, other additives like things like titanium oxide, which also increase the albedo, but

1093
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:11,560
 also stabilize the concrete, increasing lifetime of concrete, not just for sidewalks, but also

1094
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:21,640
 for roads, particularly in asphalt areas, but concrete especially, and they also catalyze

1095
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:27,220
 the reduction of ozone back to 02 and reduce knocks out of the area, and that doesn't have

1096
01:23:27,220 --> 01:23:32,560
 to be painted, doesn't have to be added, just poured into the concrete mix as an additive.

1097
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:37,840
 This is something that LA is doing, Raleigh is doing, Charleston is doing, Charlotte is

1098
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:47,000
 doing, and why, even though there will be some marginal cost, probably less than paint

1099
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:52,720
 or less than these colored additives, but I'm being pretty pushy here because it has

1100
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:57,200
 multiple impacts, but also the health impacts on the children and the health impacts of

1101
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,800
 the surrounding neighborhoods.

1102
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:07,080
 These are not factored into the cost of the additives, and when you're doing an apples

1103
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:12,720
 to apples comparison, I want to make sure that in the same way that there's, and I'm

1104
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:18,200
 going to go way out on a limb here, in the same way that there's more than just the power

1105
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:23,640
 component in a gas plant for producing electricity, and there's other impacts that say Michael

1106
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:29,720
 Gagne and sustainability looks at, there's more impacts than just the cost of the concrete

1107
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:36,320
 when we think about the impacts on our community.

1108
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,120
 I don't want us to be penny wise and pound foolish on this one.

1109
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:46,280
 I want us to do a comprehensive analysis of long-term what it would take to improve our

1110
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,040
 sidewalk and street plan.

1111
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:52,760
 Now this was particularly focused on sidewalk heat around schools, and I think that makes

1112
01:24:52,760 --> 01:25:00,880
 it a great candidate to see if there's additional additives, like titanium oxide is not expensive.

1113
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,280
 So I would love to hear your comment on something like that.

1114
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:12,620
 So titanium oxide is an option, but it would be, staff would like to see how it impacts

1115
01:25:12,620 --> 01:25:18,760
 the life cycle of the concrete versus not using it.

1116
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:26,160
 Typical standard is adding colors, Austin has been doing that, and many other cities

1117
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:31,680
 across the nation, they do that, if necessary.

1118
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:41,240
 As stated in the memo, it is an option, but staff has to work through the costs and see

1119
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:42,360
 if it is a priority.

1120
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:48,680
 If it is a priority for city, and staff will be happy to expand on this and see how this

1121
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:56,760
 can be, but of course this will impact CIPs projects and how the time align of these projects,

1122
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,120
 and we'll have to see many other factors from practical standpoint.

1123
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,360
 No, no, I appreciate you, we absolutely have to do that, you have to work through the budget

1124
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:03,360
 process.

1125
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:08,000
 When we get into the matrix here in a minute or two, I'm going to ask that we not take

1126
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:13,800
 this item off, and that we continue it back, and work on developing a pilot project, and

1127
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:21,440
 I'll pick a school, and do your planning, and pick a sidewalk, and look at the impacts,

1128
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:26,960
 and if the cost, the marginal cost of doing that pilot project shows that if we expand

1129
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:32,920
 it out through the city, it would be bad, okay, then that's the take home message.

1130
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,280
 It's too expensive.

1131
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:38,640
 But if we find that it is having the impacts that we think it did, not only did we help

1132
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,960
 that pilot project, but now we can expand it out, first to safe routes to school, and

1133
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,600
 then if it's really great, Seth can put it in the streets on Robinwood.

1134
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:53,800
 No, I'm kidding, because we want them torn back up again, right?

1135
01:26:53,800 --> 01:27:00,560
 But that's my point is, yeah, anyway, I'll bring that back up at the matrix time.

1136
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:01,560
 Go ahead.

1137
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:07,320
 Madam Chair, I just want to ask, and we can, I can bring this up again when we get to the

1138
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:12,200
 agenda, and I don't know if this would be CMO or street.

1139
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:18,680
 If we determined yes, this is one way to mitigate, you mostly focused on what to do to the actual

1140
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,040
 concrete itself.

1141
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,320
 It's my understanding there's a lot of other ways we could mitigate heat.

1142
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,160
 One would be planting a lot of trees or having shade structures.

1143
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:34,200
 Who handles stuff like that, like putting shade trees in, would that, if the street

1144
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:40,860
 is going, if we decide, if transportation decides, here's a heat island, okay, what

1145
01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:45,960
 department then goes to and adds those trees when we've determined we've got to, we want

1146
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:50,160
 to reduce the heat here, is that something that would be in a different department or

1147
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,940
 how could we collaborate with multiple departments to get that end goal?

1148
01:27:54,940 --> 01:28:01,440
 During the development review process, typically the developers would add these details to the

1149
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:05,080
 land use surrounding their developments.

1150
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:11,260
 And then in planning department, there is a trees and landscaping section that looks

1151
01:28:11,260 --> 01:28:12,260
 into that.

1152
01:28:12,260 --> 01:28:20,760
 But on these elements as well, on existing infrastructure, the question comes about right

1153
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:27,240
 of way and then easements and utilities, what's under there?

1154
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:33,360
 And all of those things are, utilities are, if they are there, then there's a limitation.

1155
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:38,360
 So I think what happy to stop is we'll look into that if further information is needed

1156
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:39,360
 and circle back.

1157
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:40,880
 I think that that would be an interesting program.

1158
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:45,720
 I know we already have a tree rebate program that homeowners can do.

1159
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:51,120
 It'd be cool if there is a way, if the city has determined this is a heat island, we've

1160
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:57,000
 got some residents or businesses here, yes, we could let them know, here's our tree rebate

1161
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:03,400
 program, but maybe we do a more targeted approach or we say, we'd like to not only put in, we'd

1162
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,600
 like to help you dig the hole that way the city can determine we're not going to mess

1163
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:12,800
 anything up when we, and then maybe we even provide bigger trees and so if the homeowner

1164
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,760
 has to buy that tree, maybe there's, I don't know, just curious, like maybe building out

1165
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,000
 that program could be an element of it.

1166
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,880
 I know it's hard because it's private property sometimes.

1167
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,600
 Stop and circle back on that.

1168
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:29,260
 I did want to mention this is an element of our design downtown master plan.

1169
01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:34,720
 So the downtown master plan called for this concept of cool streets.

1170
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:41,560
 So I think from a staff perspective, that's really where we would like to focus because

1171
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,840
 it's already called for in the master plan and been vetted through the community feedback

1172
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,520
 and things like that.

1173
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:52,800
 Obviously right now we're limited with funding of implementing that plan, but staff is moving

1174
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,480
 forward with as much implementation as possible.

1175
01:29:55,480 --> 01:30:04,920
 So my recommendation would be to focus on continuing that implementing that plan and

1176
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,240
 then as Farhan said, we can have additional conversations about what other programs are

1177
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:13,560
 available and how staff can implement those and how we can expand those.

1178
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:14,560
 Okay.

1179
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:22,080
 All right, let's move on to TERS public private partnerships.

1180
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:26,200
 What does that look like, any question?

1181
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,640
 Yes sir, Dr. Baird.

1182
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:34,040
 I made sure to mention this in the TERS meeting just so that they're aware and hopefully staff,

1183
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:39,120
 you two different economic development and transportation had a good conversation.

1184
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,160
 It sounds like you did because this is very exciting to me.

1185
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:47,800
 I'm happy to find out from both of you that these kinds of upgrades are available.

1186
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:57,080
 I wonder in your conversations, did you have any conversations about potential candidate

1187
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:03,540
 locations from your standpoint and from economic development standpoint, businesses that like

1188
01:31:03,540 --> 01:31:13,480
 in prior conversations we talked about delivery as a service, Uber eats kind of parking and

1189
01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:16,760
 bollards and other things that would fall into this category.

1190
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:22,060
 Did y'all think about any potential candidates in any of our places that might be candidates

1191
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:28,200
 for at least contemplating the use of TERS funding, especially in the DDD.

1192
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:35,800
 I think it aligns great with the DDD, the Downtown Denton design, Design Downtown Denton.

1193
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:36,800
 Thank you.

1194
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:45,000
 I knew there was three Ds in there, but as we go forward and again, I know your transportation

1195
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:50,720
 and this is a cross department issue, but are there, have there been locations and or

1196
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:57,240
 candidates and I'm thinking sort of what Cassie mentioned, the cool streets, but on those

1197
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:03,640
 cool streets, are there businesses that we've talked that we think we can encourage to try

1198
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,560
 to go for TERS funding for these kinds of projects?

1199
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:15,320
 We'll work with economic development and team and then trickle back on this.

1200
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:16,320
 Anyone else?

1201
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:29,320
 I think that pretty interesting idea of possibly using the Downtown Denton plan to get started

1202
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,720
 with something like that, you know, pilot down there, that's where it may get some moves

1203
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:33,720
 that way.

1204
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:34,720
 Great.

1205
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:35,720
 Anything else?

1206
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:36,720
 All right.

1207
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:42,880
 Well, we're going to move on to E. Thank you, EMC 25-053.

1208
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:47,280
 Receive a report and hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding future meeting

1209
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:52,280
 topics.

1210
01:32:52,280 --> 01:33:06,640
 There you go, future meeting topics.

1211
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:15,240
 Well, Seth, aren't you the one that usually stand up here and help us do this?

1212
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:19,240
 Seth is trying to take a nap on us.

1213
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,880
 Sorry, I was letting it be the Farhan show today.

1214
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:25,700
 Since I didn't have anything on here, but I will gladly stand.

1215
01:33:25,700 --> 01:33:30,640
 So Dr. Beck, we heard leaving the sidewalk heat intensity on there, so we would request

1216
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:35,320
 to remove items five and items 11 that were covered today otherwise.

1217
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,400
 Are you okay with the EVA spark moving?

1218
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:39,400
 Yeah.

1219
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:40,400
 It is what it is.

1220
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:41,400
 It is what it is.

1221
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:42,400
 Okay.

1222
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:52,480
 Well, we need a motion to remove five and 11.

1223
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:53,480
 I so move.

1224
01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:54,480
 All right.

1225
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:55,480
 So second.

1226
01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:56,480
 All right.

1227
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:57,480
 Any other discussions?

1228
01:33:57,480 --> 01:33:58,480
 All right.

1229
01:33:58,480 --> 01:33:59,480
 There's not any discussions.

1230
01:33:59,480 --> 01:34:00,480
 Then we'll vote.

1231
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:01,480
 All in favor?

1232
01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:02,480
 Aye.

1233
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:03,480
 Aye.

1234
01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:04,480
 I am too.

1235
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:05,480
 Thank you.

1236
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:06,480
 All right.

1237
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:07,480
 So we remove those.

1238
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:08,480
 Yep.

1239
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:09,480
 And then we can take any new items.

1240
01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:10,480
 Do we have any new items that we want to put on there?

1241
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:13,920
 Any discussion today which would have caused the new item?

1242
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,840
 Did we hear anything?

1243
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:16,840
 Yes.

1244
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:21,960
 We had some, Madam Chair, but I think staff indicated that they were going to, you know,

1245
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:27,480
 kind of review that, and I'm not sure it rises to the level of matrix item thing that was

1246
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:31,440
 exactly a matrix, correct me if I'm wrong, other board members.

1247
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:32,440
 Okay.

1248
01:34:32,440 --> 01:34:40,440
 I think if we could, specifically with the heat issue, I was going to maybe add something

1249
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:48,520
 about our shade equity plan or ways to expand this idea of the cool streets as just kind

1250
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:53,120
 of a proactive approach, because I don't want the rest of Den to get left behind.

1251
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:57,600
 I love the idea of the cool streets, and I'm like, my neighborhood needs that, you know?

1252
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:04,020
 And again, that could potentially have a huge economic impact for not just the downtown.

1253
01:35:04,020 --> 01:35:05,560
 We need that in all of our places.

1254
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:09,960
 So if that's something that's going to be possibly sort of incorporated with what we've

1255
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:14,160
 already talked about, then we don't have to add that as a separate agenda item, but I'll

1256
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,320
 take suggestions from staff on that.

1257
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:25,040
 I think we can incorporate it into Row 6 when we bring it back.

1258
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,040
 Okay.

1259
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:27,040
 All right.

1260
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:32,480
 Well, if there is not anything else, then we will move to our concluding items.

1261
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:34,840
 Is there any kind of concluding items?

1262
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:35,840
 Anybody?

1263
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:36,840
 Yes, Dr. Bick.

1264
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:42,920
 Dr. Farhan, pronounce her name for me, so I say it properly.

1265
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:57,440
 Is there going to be an opportunity for mobility ... Let me put it this way.

1266
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:04,280
 I would love it if after she's hired and onboarded, if we could meet her, considering she will

1267
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:06,040
 have a direct role with the mobility committee.

1268
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:07,040
 That would be awesome.

1269
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,040
 She'll be here next mobility committee.

1270
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:09,040
 Next mobility committee, is it?

1271
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,040
 Perfect.

1272
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:11,040
 That sounds great.

1273
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:12,040
 Thank you.

1274
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:13,040
 Thank you.

1275
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:14,040
 We'll see you off at the poro room.

1276
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:17,120
 Is she over in this ... Yes, at DSA, in transportation services.

1277
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:18,120
 Yes.

1278
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,120
 All right.

1279
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:20,120
 Well, it sounds like we are ready to meet her.

1280
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,120
 So we've got to get her in here.

1281
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:23,120
 Okay.

1282
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:29,800
 If there's not anything else, then we will close meeting at 1136.

1283
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:30,800
 Thank you.

1284
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:30,800
 Perfect.