Sep 24, 2025 Mobility Committee on 2025-09-24 10:00 AM

>> Good morning, everyone. We are here at the city of didn't mobility committee. Wednesday, September the 24th, 2025, 10 a.m. in our council work session room. We do have a quorum present. Do we have any citizens comments from anyone that you all know of? Okay. So then we'll move on to item two. Items for individual consideration. MC25-04. B. M. C. two five dash zero four two consider approval of the minutes August twenty seventh twenty twenty five. I move they be accepted as. Second all in favor I mean are there any discussions any further discussions all in favor. I okay unanimous thank you. I. B. M. C. two five dash zero four three receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the mobility plan boot camp to introduce the different elements of the mobility plan. Yeah. Good morning chair. Committee members for on but deputy director of transportation services division I'm here to present mobility plan boot camp I before I drafted this presentation I searched for the word boot camp and that's just actually just defines it as a military training but at the same time it says that it could be a short training course so I think that's what it is intended for this is a an effort. Where we would try to understand how comprehensive plan and mobility plan are well integrated and how our planning efforts within the city of Denton should be aligned with these two important documents and so this presentation would include the program it would talk about the program this program in general it left four five sessions and then. Maybe more if needed and then it will also introduce the comprehensive plan and mobility plan as but there as in but their roles are for city planning process and then we'll talk about key pointers and mobility alignment examples to explain how they are planning efforts should hinge on these two documents and then we will also talk about some key takeaways. When it comes to these two documents the program will include this presentation is the part one of this program this will essentially include four parts but if we could add more parts if needed and the first part would include introduction to the mobility plan and it will also focus on its mobility plans integration to comprehensive plan and then second part would include goals and. A thoroughfare plan would talk about at length about goals where the goals are and how our inquiries could align with those those goals and then part three would talk about bicycle and pedestrian plan part four would be on stakeholder engagement and future updates process. So before we go into discussing mobility plan it's it will be helpful if we discuss comprehensive plan comprehensive plan sets a course. To manage growth the one challenge with cities and with the regions is how to channel how to direct growth when it comes to demographics in our case for instance. And City Cogs recent demographics are suggesting that our population and employment would be would be more than double by 2050 and so comprehensive plan update would be a document that when we do the update it will include those growth channels and and try to figure out how this group would be diverted in the long term and then those policies will be developed and to ensure that the cities planning process. Is informed on those policies rather rather than just random planning approaches it also affirms comprehensive plan also affirms an optimal pattern of growth in Denton for example it will hinge on professional policies as well we have demographic growth data set we have census data set we have. Community surveys we have American community survey and CDB packages there are a lot of data is available but then city planning professionals would rely on the policies that are drawn in comprehensive plan and then use their professional knowledge based on these data sets to come to a conclusion that what needs to happen when it comes to planning strategies for for city for city of Denton. This ensures this integration of comprehensive plan with professional professional best practices ensures that we are looking at a well informed future we are designing for well informed future instead of making random calls for for planning implementations. It also addresses new challenges including demographic shift as I mentioned and then lifestyle changes and housing preferences in particular the housing synthesis household synthesis for any city is very important because it over the period of. Certain time period over the certain time period it will shift for example if we are getting more college college population versus more employment sector in the city then how it shifts our travel patterns so all of those are how it shifts our land use policies do we need more multimodal sorry multifamily developments or do we need more commercial and business settings so all those land use shifts are captured in the policies of comprehensive plan and then they are. In for they inform many other planning documents that city has including active transportation or mobility plan and I would say that counties thoroughfare plan would also be informed by by the city's mobility plan so generally it includes comprehensive plan would include goals objectives and actions goals would mean what are the desired returns and objectives would be as a guide what what would be the. Decision makers guiding points what what would be the guiding principles and then actions would be that what needs to happen to make sure to ensure that our future is aligned with these policies that have been identified in short comprehensive plan is a very organized way of planning the city it just tells us where our limits are when it comes to certain policies on land use certain policies on but the future could be for the mobility. Quality of life and and so on so there are many factors that comprehensive plan addresses it's a planning document it's a policy document not zoning document typically a 20 to 30 year horizon is there 20 years typical and then but but it comes to when it comes to large organizations it would go as long as 30 years as well should be updated every five years and I understand that update for the this plan is coming. Yep so that that is coming that is in plan okay would you prefer to have us ask questions while you're going through the document or shall we wait until the end I think until the end would be preferred maybe I think that would make sure that I would be able to finish it on time yeah because sometimes those questions come later and that's because he wants it differently no okay that's your choice okay thank you so much. Okay so mobility plan so now here we shift from comprehensive plan to mobility plan so so mobility plan is one step down. From comprehensive plan where it now takes those land use their household synthesis or phasing growth channeling policies to transportation that okay how these land uses will be connected when it comes to mobility options but mobility options would be there and then so so it identifies the location and type of roadway facilities that could be provided based on certain land uses and. And based on the growth so there are two it's a two tier it's a I would say it's it's it's it has two tiers first is that how what kind of land use are to be connected and then second tier is that for for us planners is that what growth is expected in this region. For example if the growth is being doubled then of course the intensity of transportation function classes would change from collector to primary arterial over the horizon it also determines roadway alignments. The needed right of way based on the growth and develops the roadway design standards as well so that's mobility plan it include it would talk about priorities priority projects and then talk about the alignments as well and then. Above all, it talks about multimodal policy that is needed to address these challenges because comprehensive plan is vague when it comes to these policies comprehensive plan would say that okay this growth will have these many. These types of zoning or land use policies in place for this area, but then mobility plan will go next to next step and say based on these. land use policies, what kind of modes would be operating here, do we need public transit system, do we need mobility as a service, do we need. bike pet planning components there all of those features would become would be covered by mobility plan and that's why, when we see principle or or major collector, for instance, it is based on the land use type that we are trying to address we always provide other mode options as well. And so it's also a transport policy document, not a zoning document typically 20 to 30 years horizon and should be updated every five years. it's a mobility plan is a guide for planning when it comes to the thoroughfare plan and bike pet or active transportation component it aligns the alignment of city projects is is. If not mandatory, I would say highly encouraged with the mobility plan, because that means that we are in alignment with comprehensive plan, it ensures that whatever planning is strategized when it comes to mobility options, we are if we are aligning with mobility plan, that means we are in alignment with. With comprehensive plan, which is a major document that city holds for all the policies and frameworks. For base project prioritization mobility plan and and and any other planning planning documents that i've seen, including transportation component of mobility plan. It encourages safety, including city councils party as well, it encourages safety, so the project should be hinged on a da compliance and safety that's one requirement and other is that must date any project that we are trying to implement must not come conflict with. mobility plan, what it means is that if we are adding a lane to or adding adding a multi use path to a facility. Which is collected right now and five years later, based on mobility plan document, we are anticipating that it will become a primary arterial debt money that we spent would. could babe could better be spent in five years, because then the facility will be updated and and would be to its full potential, but then, of course, it all depends on how the land use policies, so we have to. We have, we have to carefully navigate all of these projects and say, are we in alignment with comprehensive plan. Are we in alignment with mobility plan, are we doing something that is short term and that may backfire later on, because we are doing something as a reactive approach and not aligning with the mobility plan it not so another aspect of mobility plans. processes that it should not. conflict with the project should not conflict with federal and state. Rules state guidelines as a matter of fact, whenever we refer to TMU TMU tcd and other step for us is to ensure that and you tcd is not talking about a general document is not talking about something else we when we look at the capacity roadway capacity, we are looking at ACM. Which is in a way, a federal policy to ensure that we are not in conflict with that so all of these. These aspects are have to be covered when we implement, I think the bottom line for this slide is that we have to be in alignment when we are looking at our projects cities projects, we have to be in alignment with mobility plan. I understand we could staff understand that we could do some short term improvements, but I think any major improvements must align with mobility plan that would be the best return on our investments. There are other documents that mobility plan refers to as well, including a transition plan that is always that goal goes in alignment with. mobility plan and comprehensive plan in particular mobility plan, whenever we are making any improvements to the streets, we are adding crosswalks a compliant ramps and and in many cases RFPs or hawk signals so all of those things are interconnected. Then there's an city cogs regional transportation plan that is an alignment and Denton county thoroughfare plan that are also. A reference document documents, so when it comes to mutual dependency start wanted to share some examples, there are three examples will share here first is the. directing or dictating growth patterns as as a matter of fact in planning process one. variable that is constant is growth because it's there, no matter what we do it could be negative it could be positive for many towns there's a negative growth as well negative won't call it growth, but negative yeah yeah so negative trend in growth so. In this case, a comprehensive plan would provide the long range big picture vision for the entire Community that what the Community would look like. But then mobility plan takes that picture and say how we are connecting this Community based on the policies and framework that comprehensive plan is providing and so mobility plan would connect those parties that. comprehensive plan is setting for us and, for example, compact mixed use development accommodates all mobility users through effective and efficient public infrastructure so that's one example why because. If compact mixed use development has been promoted by the comprehensive plan, the mobility plan will now address all the mobility options that are needed it's not only car oriented auto oriented solution that the mobility plan will be looking at. And that's why it is important if we are not aligning with mobility plan, there are chances that we may miss some of these modes and say okay auto is provided and. pedestrians are covered and bike lanes are missing, so I think that's why it is extremely important that we align with mobility plan and comprehensive plan another aspect is it committed comprehensive plan establishes Community goals it just. gets a buy in from the Community and and watch for the interests of the Community and what's the quality of life means for them and then mobility plan will simply align with these goals. So that way. The transportation planners are not adding their bias to the solutions or the implementation process, the Community feedback is already always there and what Community prefers. Collectively as their future is covered in the comprehensive plan so for instance focus on reducing vehicle emissions and alternative modes of transportation is is one option, which was very popular where communities are always looking for other modes of travel, not only just auto. So I think that is one aspect that is that can be solved by aligning with mobility plan and comprehensive plan another aspect is integrating planning efforts so. In without consulting these planning documents, we would be doing a stand standalone effort in silos land use would be would be would be covered in a different phase where a few planners are sitting and deciding the land use, and if they are not aligning with comprehensive plan. The transportation planners will be taking that land use that is not aligned with comprehensive plan and would be providing the solutions in the end, we would have a solution that is not aligned with the vision of comprehensive plan so. And this could go otherwise as well, for example, if land use policymakers have developed something in alignment with comprehensive plan and. Transportation planners are not following mobility plan, they will be missing a big component and they will not be aligned with so that so what happens the consequence of that would be or in software voice, I think the returns would be less on that on our investment versus if we focus on in full alignment with mobility plan the returns on investment will be maximum. So again, why lining with mobility plan generally, I think the idea is that we staff in particular cannot should must not rely on reactive approach to the solutions, the idea is that we have these important planning documents where city has invested so much. But to develop them, it is in cities best interest that if we align with these documents align our projects with these documents and and collectively work to implement some of the policies and plans mentioned in these documents. So key to take a ways for this session of boot camp would be that we must respect for we must respect the process uphold the mobility plans parties as a framework for decision making versus using the reactive approach. We must have data driven approach if data is informing us and I'm not saying that it has to be a hundred percent data driven it could be. Highly weighted on data, but then community perspective could be weighted on as a secondary weight in the same making process. We must differentiate as city when we are implementing our project on what is need what is needed and what is wanted and these are two things if we can differentiate we can help the planning process significantly. And work plan alignment is something that is extremely important where we develop annual work plans for each avenue of the mobility or land use or ADA or safety and we go through those plans and implement them so that we are achieving our objectives that are aligned in mobility plan. Versus randomly doing the projects which will not provide us returns as expected systematic progress is important every. As I mentioned earlier reactive approach that diverts staff and create create future retrofit cost is not ideal because if we are going to implement something later on a right of way and we are reacting to a short situation. Just because there is a situation there so that implementation will have to be retrofitted later on when the time comes for the full implementation on that right of way. So we we have to connect with our comprehensive plan and mobility plan and carefully assess that how each project aligns with them and if not then maybe revisit and add those elements that are in alignment with the mobility plan and comprehensive plan and. Last but not least direct staff research inquiries towards priorities within the mobility plan I think that will be very helpful for staff because then we can dedicate our time and efforts towards something that is eventually. Be a concrete step towards implementation of something in bigger picture versus you know whenever we have to research some some whatever inquiry that comes our way it takes significant time of stuff a similar a small audit. Would take so typically two weeks time frame but an audit takes at least three to four hours when we go to site to audit and then there's a community process then in committee engagement process and then the third would be that OK what is the. Possible solution for this inquiry and so that takes three to four weeks process that takes that means it's a month gone for stuff so I think if we have if our inquiries are in alignment with mobility plan that will be giving us best returns on the investment time of soft time. Okay well I have absorbed all of that and I really appreciate you bringing that to us because i'll be transparent and note that some of our questions that we would have in this meeting sounded like we needed to have a boot camp. And you know some more training in regards to time factor. Being in line with the comprehensive plan. Knowing that there is routine public engagement for everything that we do in this city we're always talking about public engagement and one of our biggest challenges is having the public to engage. So you know we've even been talking about that part. I'll start with my question and I guess this is more of a statement for the community that we can always tell when our roads are going to need some attention. Based on what type of project is going into that space and we've noticed that we've had quite a few apartment complexes just to show up all of a sudden, but the community that know that that's I had been in the works for years, you know when we're even planning those housing projects. Then the roads come so with that being said i'm kind of thinking about well i'm actually thinking about loop 288 and there's some big swaths of. Plan that hasn't been used yet and there's no sidewalks there and so some of sometimes our constituents will call and say hey we need more sidewalks in this space and we'll have to educate them and tell them when we don't know what's going there yet so there's hard to plan for the mobility in that area. So this that answers all of those questions, as you were going through my my brain was ticking about all of the places that I can call in and ask you all to do something in the short term, which now affects the long term right yeah is that what we heard so. That was my question I had why do they why didn't they put the roads in they could have had these roads fixed by now you know why is it that things come in the end the roads come second and so you've answered that question in terms of we really don't you know based on the zoning we don't know what's going to be there so we have to wait until that's there and then we can fit it in to what we have going on. And I really didn't have any questions but I didn't want to make those statements is there anyone else that would like to speak and have any kind of questions. Councilmember that debate Thank you one of the things in that's that's in true many of our committees and the issues we face on Council is that we don't seem to always adhere to goals as you mentioned I think it was like slide for we're we're we're pretty reactive at times. I think that it comes from a good place we're trying to be nimble and respond to events as they occur, but we are challenged to be proactive and plan driven rather than reactive. And so i'm really glad that throughout this presentation you're really stressing the importance of appropriate planning. I will I will say, and it kind of piggybacks on on chairs point, and that is. A lot of the lot of our reactivity seems to be. Surrounding growth and development and we we seem to give more of a blank slate of a reactive free get out of jail free card to to. As as commercial entities as new development comes in, and so I encourage us to again apply our comprehensive plan or mobility plan everything. Deliberately in in in tently and whether that's we're reacting to residents or whether we're reacting to growth, we need to do, we need to watch our plan, so I know i'm so boxing just a little bit, but. What i've noticed on previous being a pnz and now in Council and now the mobility that we're very reactive and so and we can't just adjust our plans and we need to make sure that development it's to some degree adheres to our plans rather than us adhering to their development, I know that's easier said than done, I understand the state of American politics. All right, so with that soapbox can let's go to a slide six. I love love love the alignment with city projects and mobility I love that. One of the things i'm going to ask us and maybe maybe you could you could educate us a little bit we and about your intent going forward. We often are focused on let's think of let's think of our mobility plan as a network with nodes and edges. like a graph we're often focused on the edges, but if we don't do destination planning if we don't say i'm going to go from this node to this node on purpose, because this is where people live in this is where people have jobs and we are we're not I see us. react again in in the trying to avoid the top box reacting rather than proactively planning, I guess, can you talk talk to us about your approach in terms of destination planning, because that seems to have been a factor that we missed under prior transportation directors was destination planning. So, again, so in this case, we start with demographic data set that is our for comprehensive planning document and even for mobility planning process update process the. demographic data set is a key that informs, and that is adopted demographic data set that is being used by and city call for billions of dollars of investment for the of the region so it's it's very well calibrated very well tested city of Denton provided responses and feedback on how our growth is there in different land uses around different. traffic analysis zones that are being by used by the mathematical forecast models, the entity called is using so that is the key so that demographic data set has been updated that data set is informing in cities. population and employment grid where the changes are being placed and where the new changes are where the where the delta is when it comes to previous and new demographics so. As part of that process when city planners look at that and they look at the growth look at the population number employment numbers where the employment would be. And where our current and future residential developments are I think that forms a basis for us to make to arrange these destination planning and say that these are the future destination, for instance, now from Fort worth for the region wide when it comes to region wide. From the entity called demographics are saying that from from Fort worth the major trend of movement is from Fort worth to Frisco towards Frisco so that's the trend is showing. Another trend is showing is that there's a major attraction when it comes to future demographics from Dallas to Denton county and within Denton county. The demographics are telling that population employment will be doubled more than more than double in Denton city so that this is how crucial it is the use of demographics data set and relying on them. Additionally, there are travel demand models city of Denton has their own travel demand model and. And then there is entity cogs travel demand model, which we can use as a tool to inform the planning process on where our producers and detectors are. Production and attraction is when it comes to trip making behavior and so during the mobility plan update process, we will go through this rigorous exercise. I am not sure about the previous process, but we have a plan to go through rigorous exercise to identify these new production and attraction spots. No, I appreciate that real quick, since we're on the slide, we all know that you have to follow the MUTCD and the TX MUTCD to a large degree, but we also know that those represent median average characteristics. And so I encourage us to be flexible and nimble in our engineering decisions, not necessarily matching them the median suburban characteristics, but. You know, appropriate appropriate measures at appropriate locations because I see that as we the MUTCD seems to handcuff us a little bit rather than enable us and and it should enable us instead of handcuffing us. That's just a comment that you're not getting in front of how you do your job. Let's see slide eight. One of the things that I've seen in multiple committee meetings in council is. We're we're saying, especially since you highlighted it things about like vehicle missions and alternative transportation. You know, to get our CAP goals, we have to have transit oriented design, which is what you're alluding to here, but then we we don't do transit oriented design, we we just have development and it goes back to my earlier comment about being reactive, so I guess i'm i'm. Let us know how we can support you sticking to our plans, rather than be reactive it sounds like you're already on that page, but I want to make it clear that we've got a we're not going to achieve the goals of other division heads if we don't take an unsilo integrated approach so. let's see. I would say, on the next slide just a careful on that last part of the mobility plan. We emphasize growth a lot because it's the create it's this creation and solution of many of our problems, but that isn't our goal our goal isn't growth well otherwise you're risking into a Ponzi scheme our goal is is to have well an efficient goal, so I want to be careful and not emphasize. I got to do everything I can to enable and produce growth that I that's that's the wrong goal our goal is, how do we have, how do we react to the growth and how do we proactively act to the growth, so I just i'm encouraging us not to be in too intentional of how do we enable. versus how do we guide those are those are sort of different things and part of the reason these i'm giving these high level comments is this is a high level introduction you're going to get into the details in October November December. let's see. The last slide 11 I think is my last one, where you talked about systematic progress. I love that you're trying to have really, I mean, I think the only way we get that is really well defined goal, so I love that you know those are up above, and you know that a lot of what i'm talking about is work plan alignment but. The piece that is often missing is you know i'm trying to be a little coy a little delicate, but we have our friends in development community to come in and go wow we're going to do a thing now respond dance city of denim and I know what I just said is is is very. Provocative and I said it on purpose to not because there's anything wrong with the development community we absolutely depend critically on it to provide goods and services, but we we let this all go away. When the development community says Oh, this is hard, but our residents are also harder utilities are hard our parks are hard everything everything that you do in transportation services is hard so i'm encouraging us to. recognize that it's all hard and everything needs to be prioritized. evenly and that's that's all my general comments Thank you chair. I. feel the need to make a statement here in regards to the professionalism of our employees that we have here. I don't want us to as a community to. think that you all are not. Will intention. We do have developers to come and meet with us every day. In some ways or another, and they do you know, this is what we have, but these developers know that the city has plans and intentions and goals and comprehensive this and they have to. fall within you know those guidelines and if there is room to make adjustments for this particular thing to come to us. You know, in terms of development wherever it's located then that's your job your job is to help guide them, but also educate us. As Council members and communities as to how it's going to happen, so please keep that in mind, as you are. You know, hearing our voice that you know that we have the expectations and then we don't meet the expectations in you know you're going to have to leave or you know something else is going to happen, so but I personally I am always very, for the most part, pleased with. How loud and vocal our community is, but also how intentional our employees are for us, thank you let's go ahead and go with you. Thank you. Reacting to to Councilmember bird and Councilmember beck's comments, particularly Councilmember birds. The balance between. Building a building a road a street astroad too early. It seems to me that we always are building it too late and and the and the example that i'm going to kick around here a couple of times is bonnie bray. Around around that coup stadium. In my mind, I guess that coup stadium had been open 13 years turns out it's 14 years, it was under construction for two or three years prior to that, so you know it's not a secret, I mean hey there's a stadium going to be built there we've known about that for you know 17 years. And this Saturday, I will go there and fight my way to get into the parking lot. What why why are why are are are parts of streets just just I dare you to rebuild me I dare you we're going to put all this construction and all this growth around it, I dare you to rebuild me. Another example of hobson lane Ryan road hickory creek all of those there's growth all around that and and we're we're we're mired down in in hickory creek and I know we're making progress there but hobson and Ryan have been touched yet. So my question is why why why do we trail so frequently in the development and then sometimes we get out ahead of it. For example, the southern end of bonnie break magnificent street nobody out there, but magnificent street what why is why the economy. I i'll start with hobson and Ryan most of these expansion or improvement decisions are made on level of service expectations and capacity factors, they are not based on perceived. How how the perception is for a certain street that how busy it is or how much development is there, but they are based on peak period level of service, if it is failing, then we will have to do some traffic operations changes first off, but if it is a bigger problem, then not only we will be looking at. revisiting the classification of the facility, but also look at other route choices that are we not enabling other road choices so so all of these three four options would be there when it comes to. rebuilding or adding a lane or improving the capacity on a on an existing street for the ones, for example, bonnie break I would let our capital projects director set speak to that I think he would be able to explain the reasons why they were delays or are what what is the whole story about it, but I think. The four from the planning perspective or adding a new lane or improving a facility we are data driven if the data tells us plus community complaints come. We weigh them together and then, if the data shows us that the level of service is failing, which is in technical language, we will call it level of service of F approaching. Even at E, it will be alarming for us, and then we will say we need to do something about it either from traffic operation or expansion. I'm calling if I can add to that I think high level, we are always making decisions based on trade offs and a lot of it comes down to funding, so the bonnie braes we received outside funding we received funding from the county in the state to make those improvements while hobson Ryan and hickory creek are city roads that don't receive other funding, so we can't we can't afford to redo all of them at once. We and we would like to get it done before the development occurs in a perfect world that's how it would be, however, we're we're constrained by financial resources i'm just wondering why we're and i'm and i don't mean just kick bonnie brae all over the place here, but like I said. 1718 years. Notification of this, and I realized that that it's used a whole lot this weekend, for example, and then it's not used all that much after that right and then I want to Councilmember bird mentioned sidewalks and Luke 288. it's my understanding that sidewalks are not built until there's a development in the frontage of that, so if there's if it's still what appears to be pasture land or what used to be pasture land there's no sidewalk there, but I was driving on Luke 288 yesterday, I noticed. An extensive sidewalk from. I don't know maybe maybe from McKinney. Maybe all the way to university drive and there's no development there. I love to check what would be the reason for that, maybe it was part of the project and they built it or I love to check on that i'm i'll circle back on okay I understand and it's just it was just glaring in its. As i'm driving now where the word of that come from me and there's and there's people walking on it so so good good stuff they're using it, but I just wondered why out of the blue there's a cycle you can go back on that okay okay very good very good thanks to your. To bring it back to you know the planning aspect a lot of those types of improvements come with the development, so the development is responsible for some of those, including the sidewalk and then the city. is responsible for filling in as after the development occurs so it's part of the planning process we we realized that you know we don't have the funding to do all of the sidewalks, for instance, or all of the. roadway construction that wants, but we use the development to development pays for development, it takes care of development, so we use that opportunity to make sure that they they bring enhancements to the area, and then the city fills in the gaps essentially okay okay very good very good, thank you. Well, you can go ahead and go next yeah it should be your time, I think he's done. I think you were done okay. Thank you so much for this and just a comment with that I think. When we say it's reactive I see what you mean, and that it's not going with a comprehensive plan. However, there are a lot of pockets of dentin that essentially were left behind because they were built before development come in and fund that sidewalk and so what I what's what I what I struggle with as a citizen who lives in an area that does not have. Basic sidewalks does not have the perks that the newer developments now well Okay, we put in a new thing well now they get all their sidewalks or we say growth is happening over here hurry let's. It kind of as a citizen in those areas that are left behind it can feel like the city is prioritizing these newer things and look they get the shiny new sidewalk. But we still have people 500 homes in my neighborhood where we still don't have a sidewalk and that's just my neighborhood that's not even the area near. Calhoun middle school and between and then it's it and then we look at like okay well downtown denton got all this funding rightfully so because we wanted to make our downtown beautiful. And we find ways to get all the funding for that, but then we still have areas that are left behind, and so I see this as it's kind of to me it's it's like is this an equity problem where some places again it's a funding problem. But if the city is not saying well, we want this for everybody, not just we want a new development oh now we can connect these two things and I know that's a really, really big question because so much of that is about funding. But in some neighborhoods it's like well we're we're built out we can't we can't build anything here, we can't add a new store or anything. There were what what options do we have so i'm the reactivity I understand, but it sounds like we are we are making up for lost time and and not planning 1020 years ago, so it may seem reactive to. To some you know people that are actually working on these projects, but to other people we've been wanting these things for 20 years so it's not it doesn't feel reactive to us, it feels like where is this been for 20 years, and can we can we now get those things. yeah so the equity question is fair and it's part of our process of prioritization, but I think the piece that we need to we are trying to encourage all all. Who are involved in the planning processes that. If there are 100 projects that are due, even based on equity there's only so much city could do with available funds. So I think we some of them would be planned based on mobility plans projects, so some of the funding goes there, but then there's a remaining part of funding that is available for prioritize projects, so if you have a list of 50 projects for sidewalks. Out of that, if we can in this year's fiscal year 2025 26 work plan, starting in October, if we can implement five or six of them. there's no way for us to implement all 50 of them in one fiscal year unless we apply for external funding which we keep applying but it's hard because there are other. it's very competitive other cities are in there with their very well needed projects, so it's hard, it is hard to make the case, so we will be able to based on party will be able to do. 5453 whatever number could be covered in the available funding and then the rest, they will be removed from the priority prioritize projects list after implementation and then the next projects are. Roll over to the first 2345 position, so I think this is how it will work, so yes equity based factor is in there in our prioritization process, we are not forgetting the built out communities, but the challenge is that there's only so much could be done with limited part of right, so then what what then I think. The reactivity is that can feel like the citizens only option, so if if there is an area where they may say. we've got some we've got some major safety problems here now like we've got we've got people. almost being hit by cars are being hit by cars right now we've got or you know Calhoun now is in a new location okay well now we've got an entirely new population of people using this area and we still don't have the things that need to be there. I feel like that's that's kind of the only way that a neighborhood could kind of raise the alarm and go we really need this. Now we can't wait one more fiscal year for those five and then one more fiscal year for these five well, then, by the time that we get to the point of now we've got the facility that we need. Well, now, maybe those kids don't even live there anymore and we've missed an opportunity so i'm just kind of thinking like there are needs now, and I know this is a bigger question, but it when when we have citizens, you know using 311 requesting those facilities it's kind of confusing because we've made that as an option for people. And we're not saying we don't want that to continue correct like we do want people to make those requests through 311 or at least say hey, this is a thing that I saw there's an issue that I saw and then staff can figure out how do we want to allocate those things right. Absolutely and stuff is a you know say road safety is critical element and wherever there is a road safety issue stuff reaches out immediately response and just entered 311 is still is the best option it for us at least to know what's going on, but I think at the same time, staff would request that we have observed in previous community meetings that we. stuff is attended has attended meetings where we were of the opinion that maybe the community is rallying for this improvement certain improvement, but when we visited the with the community, we found out that there was only one person. Voting for that and the entire community was not in favor of that improvement so our recommendation based on mobility plan alignment is that if such an effort is to be made our request is to council members and committee members that maybe there should be a engagement effort before this engagement meeting with staff to ensure that majority of the community is in alignment with this request. I think that saves us a lot of effort that saves us a lot of time there were another meeting where we went and we found out that only one person was in favor and other community members were saying that while we're in this meeting at all so I'm not pinpointing to any certain community I'm just making stuff as a staff I'm making a request that it will help us that if. Mobility committee members and council members get litmus test is the right word perhaps on the community and say, is it just one person requesting based on his choice, or is it the community feeling that way, and if that test is coming positive, then we'll be happy to attend the meeting and I think it'll be very productive. Yes, that is absolutely wise and I just want to additionally compliment the staff on the ways that you have implemented things that you saw were absolutely necessary and kind of moved those things forward. I know we've talked about the issue like on christened where we've, you know, we, we put in a bike lane facility and I know you were earlier talking about kind of the time it takes to do an audit that that takes three to four hours and then that takes time for community involvement or decision, you know, other decision making, and I know that that is that is a huge taxing thing for your staff and so we're really, really grateful for those things, those times when you do make the time for that. And I guess I would ask if there's ways that if if there's ways that that could be even streamlined so that transportation staff can what if you deem like we talked about this several times, but like, we, we feel that you can just kind of move forward or if there's ways that we can minimize the all the time maybe that it takes if there's extra steps, if there's ways we can streamline those processes, I guess. I think audit is when I joined city of Denton, I ensure that my team is not making any calls on transportation projects on audits and I have as a staff, I'm requesting this, this has to be the process. That's a city, a lot of headache, a lot of money wasted on something that should not have been done. So I think audit is compulsory. I would not sign on any improvement that my team members would bring to me if it has not been audited. I particularly ask that if it was a Google visit that you did and then just showed me this improvement or is it based on an audit that you conducted. And so I think audit is an important piece in many sites we would visit and we would find out that there is no improvement needed. And so I think that's why it is an important piece. There's those two, three hours, they save city from technical standpoint, from standard references, from many other aspects, it makes it very comfortable for us to inform city management that what improvements are needed and how long it will take. That's great. I'm happy with that. All right. Thank you. All right. So this is what we're going to do as we are going through our process here. I'm recognizing that our next report on bollards evaluation, which I don't, I'm going to recommend that we hold off on that one because that's also going to be an extensive conversation. I have a feeling. And so what I would like to do is to push that back to our next meeting so we can give it the kind of time that it's going to be requested. I didn't recognize that this particular schedule for 35 minutes that we've got an hour. So, and I also want to give Ms. Jane an opportunity to speak on this as well. We're not done with this. So we're going to push back see MC two five dash zero four four to our next meeting. And after Ms. Jane has her statements that she wants to make a questions, then we're going to move on to the staff memorandums. Okay. So we can get through those and finish up with the E and then I think that's going to take up the rest of our 55 minutes that we have. Ms. Jane, do you have anything? Oh, good. Good. So you're clear. Okay. So let's go ahead and move into our staff memorandums. DMC two five dash zero four six. If we can go and go into that, can we do that? But do I need to have a vote or what? I'm asking the committee is. Yes. With the vote. Okay. Okay. Yes. I like to move that we proximate the MC to five. There's zero four four. You know, it's out of order to do discussion. Can I have some discussion? No, I will. I will make for that. Okay. Did I make the motion or a second? Okay. I'll second. All right. All right. Let's have discussion. I don't know what your anticipation is for the ball or discussion. I don't have a lot of discussion for the ball or discussion. And I don't know that if we do, I think we could probably spit this in unless the other members have a lot of discussion. Anybody anticipate having a lot of discussion on bollards? I do not. I'm going to have to leave at 1115. Okay. You like to hear it? You all want to hear it now? Okay. Because I was just doing privileges, but apparently there's no privileges. Okay. So we've had a motion. Second discussion. All in favor. Okay. Well, all opposed. All right. So the nays have it. So we'll have our discussions on bollards. MC two five zero four four. Receive a report and hold discussion regarding the bollards evaluation from the city, comparable cities and share information on public private partnership possibilities. For hunt, but again to say from from transportation services division. This presentation covers the use of bollards in comparable cities. A brief introduction of that, even though it has been covered, but I staff added it as a slide so that we could revisit that briefly. And then it will also talk about public private partnerships, how the framework works and based on best practices, but other cities, other comparable cities are doing. And then we'll have some discussion on PPP models, public private partnership models that could be applied to model to two bollards and also some other cities, how they are using those utilizing those. And then we'll have some future recommendations. So in Denton, Texas, we when started researching the public private partnership model, the first effort was that we look for comparable cities and with primarily college student population and small city, small to medium sized city structure. And so for example, in case of Denton, we have a population of over hundred sixty five thousand. That's not census population. That's a current population from the source. And then it's a county seat and home to two major universities. That was our prime bullet, which was considered for exploring other cities, which are comparable for the use of bollards and public private partnerships. Another city that is within the state of Texas is College Station, and it's one hundred twenty eight thousand population cities situated in the central east, Texas, in Brazos County, and then its home domain campus of Texas A&M University, one of the premier universities in the United States, and it has over seventy thousand students population. And so this thirty three percent and fifty three fifty five percent on the slides. These are the proportion of population. These are the students which are part of the population. So fifty five percent of College Station is student population and thirty three percent of Denton is student population. Of course, in seasons, it goes off and on during summer. It may change a bit, but generally when the college is on, that's the population. Then we have San Marcos population seventy four thousand and county seat of Hays County and then part of greater Austin metropolitan area and then with two universities nearby, Texas State University and then the University of Texas at Austin, which is also one of the top universities in the U.S. and has a student population of over fifty two thousand and then Texas State University has student population of about thirty eight thousand. So around ninety thousand students in this small. Well, I won't call it small, but it's contiguous metropolitan area. And then New Braunfels is another one where one hundred sixteen thousand population. And it is part of greater San Antonio area, two colleges, St. Phillips College and and also Texas State University also has some share of students going from this. This city, so for over forty seven percent of college students are included in UT Austin in that area of San Marcos in Austin when it comes to PPP models, they rely on different strategies that could be applied depending on the size of the project and then how but components are in there. For example, if it is a large project that is that has environmental component that has a design component and that has implementation component, then PPP models would would be written in in a different way where all of these components may be covered in aggregate or maybe in small components for formation. Some of the options that we have here include private design build, which city contracts a private company to design, construct and possibly maintain bollards in designated areas. So this is not assigned to bollards only. It could include many elements. For example, it could include parking enforcement. It could include partnership on maintaining a corridor and maintaining a toll or all other options that are available. Shared cost is another concept where a city and a private developer co-fund the installation of bollards to demarcate to to share public space and a private access zone. So in this case, bollard is just an example. There are other areas as well. For example, there will be a cafeteria spot included with parking that could be included as a public private partnership. There could be a specified zone, for example, emergency access zone as many dispensary within the university or within the city that needs bollards to have some clear direction for turning lanes or separation of lanes that could be used as well. And other cities are using it. Incentives for private installation, a city offers development incentives or grants to encourage private property owners to install bollards in front of buildings. And these are often located in front of hospitals, in public buildings, public facing buildings that are adjacent to the private users, large private users like commercial centers. We know that city of Austin had a hospital where they had a fatality reported. And then city of Austin worked with a private hospital to develop a partnership based on this model to install bollards. I think these are some examples. And then in case of specifically for bollards, we staff thinks that public private partnership for large infrastructure development projects works because then if you have a longer corridor, larger infrastructure that we are developing, we could ask, we could write into the agreements, PPP agreements that these areas where there are some developments or some commercial developments could have access via bollards or if we need certain treatments to public transit, they could be provided via bollards. So I think that is often, I gave an example of city of Austin where we had a fatal, where there was a fatal crash and they were able to develop this partnership with the private hospital to have bollards on access to the hospital and in front of hospital as well. City of Dallas' economic development program provides grants and abatements for public private projects, partnerships. It involves private developers financing and constructing infrastructure, including bollard installation as well. So I think more and more staff found that bollard implementation itself would be a very small project for PPP and it is typically included in larger projects and made as a component of that project to be built. Now in other cases, as in case of city of Austin, they were able to work with the private entity and develop this partnership, public private partnership to install specifically the bollards, but I think the case is unique because there was a fatality. And staff is not suggesting that it has to be tied to fatality, but I think it has to be serious enough to develop this kind of partnership with public and private entities. That's the bottom line on that. And city of Mansfield, their PPPs are there for expanded infrastructure projects where they are, you know, city would help fund construct in cost of exchange for lease payments while the private partner manages operations. And tax dot has several projects where they have PPP or comprehensive development agreements with the private partners and they are successfully successfully doing those. But they are mega projects. They are larger projects and but they are good examples where they are able to tap into private resources into their agreements. City of Dallas is a transit oriented development could be a very good example for city of Denton where they are investing. They are developing these partnership with Dart and other private partners to operate and to to implement certain multimodal measures on their. I promise the city of Houston is utilizing tax increment reinvestment zones to fund public improvements in specific areas. That model is good for larger cities just like Houston. And it's where they could take advantage of utilize. They could take advantage of tax increment reinvestment zones. I think multiple cities in Texas are also utilizing the same PPP model, but innovative financing PPP agreements through US DOT. And this arrangement works in such a way that US DOT would first fund or provide the no match grant to implement something on the planning escape. And then where the cities or towns would identify the private partners. Once it is done, then they move US DOT would move it to the innovative financing stage where US DOT would fund the project. And for 70 years or 100 years or 50 years on soft loan basis and both public private partners, they have their roles identified. There are many examples in California, San Francisco, in Boston, where these public private partnerships are in place for transit projects. There are there are many examples. So for future recommendation, staff recommends that we we expand on innovative ideas on bollard use to save lives in Denton. Staff is planning to include bollards in the planning process. Whenever we have some projects where we would anticipate the use of bollard would benefit and adds improved safety, we staff would include those. And then in the prioritized context, sensitive design focused on road safety, we are also looking from that standpoint. And we our staff is planning to update active transportation plan to look at bollards as possible treatment for certain areas. >> Great. Are there any questions? Yes, Council Member Beg. >> Thank you. I love the approach of lots of different options. I love the partnership. I'm excited about the opportunities. Especially I noticed the ones that we don't seem to do and I find creative and I'm glad other places are using it and we can consider things like, you know, various tax abatements and grants. I mean, Ricky and I are fixing to go in a few minutes over to the TERS and that goes to sort of my main sort of a double part question. A, and I'll reinforce this with our TERS staff, but does our TERS allow for these kinds of partnership? Our TERS, I know generally TERS do, I take it from your slide, but do you happen to know if our two TERS allow for that? >> I have to circle back on that. >> Okay. Are these things that you think we have the current authority to implement? Well, for staff to recommend to bring to council, which is what I meant by that, or are we going to need changes to the DDC and our economic development grants? Do we need changes or can we do these innovative approaches now? >> I think changes are not required as such because the criteria manual would be emphasizing the safety and it will be not delineating exactly how we achieve that safety. But I think when it comes to larger projects, our recommendation is that we make them part of the scope. So that is first recommendation on the larger infrastructure projects. So on a short-term basis, if there is a need, on case-by-case basis, staff can look at those in alignment with mobility plan. >> All right. Appreciate it. Thank you. Come on. >> Look at you. >> A question and a half. >> Look at you. >> I have a half a question. >> All right. Councilmember. >> Is there an -- can you think of an example where bollards might be used as a stopgap measure until a traffic signal is installed? >> Quickly, what could I see is maybe on Carol or maybe -- well, US 380, but it is not maintained by city, but of course that is a good candidate until the time we have enforcement or improvements there, especially because of the speed differentials and many access points. >> Well, okay, what about Teasley Lane at Heights Boulevard? There was a fatality accident. >> Excuse me, Councilman. I think they want to stay out of specific examples since we're talking about generally the evaluation. >> It's an overview. >> Okay. >> It's an overview. >> Well, if there were a street in Denton that had a fatality accident, not that there is, but if there were, could have -- do you think a bollard would have a place to -- to help with that until a real-life signal is put in? >> As I said, case-by-case basis, we'd have to audit and we'd have to look at the complete picture of what's going on on that site, not just one view of -- just because there is a certain need, we have to look at the whole holistic approach of what other elements are in play there. >> I got it. >> I just happened to come back from Washington, D.C. and specifically just looking at -- >> 13th Street? >> Just everything. It was just so overwhelming at the amount of use and how far ahead they are, you know, they're in their space. We're using bollards and colored -- >> Yes, green-colored -- >> Green and then the paths are very wide and there's space for cars and then bikes and then the greenery. It was just so overwhelming. My senses was just off the charts. So I'm looking forward to us looking at something to that effect at some point along the way. Did you have any questions, any comments, any concerns? >> I can add -- I might add something when we get to the matrix. >> Oh, to the matrix, okay. Well, it sounds like that was -- didn't take very long at all. Thank you so much, Dr. Beck. Especially -- >> She just saw two pages of notes. That's three different committee meetings. >> See, there you go. Okay. So we're moving on to MC25-046, staff member random. We have a few things here that if we have any questions, any comments or -- I think the last time we did this, we just kind of stopped at each one of them and kind of did a high-level overview of each one. And so idle streets and -- oh, go ahead. Idle streets and constructions. Is this Seth? Seth, is this you? Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Buzz. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes? >> I only have two questions, not all of them. Do you want to go one by one or do you want to do questions? >> I kind of actually like going by one by one. >> Okay. >> Then I do have one on this first item. >> All right. Okay. >> And that was the -- I appreciate that we're -- you know, a lot of this is about, you know, debris and construction issues and whatnot. I appreciate the response. I think the question about idle kind of more was in the direction of timelines and workflows like we have in our graphs that we sometimes have, but also in the direction of integration within our own, you know, water streets who are electrical and then with the other utilities. So because a lot of the idling was we're trying to maximize our team out in the field on our various projects and we don't -- so there's this ongoing challenge of workflow organization. And so I think that was -- so this -- I think this is a partial answer. But I guess -- and this may be a matrix thing, so I'll bring it up -- I'll mention here and bring it back up at the matrix in a second to see if there's consensus. But it seems that especially to our community's awareness, there -- our matrix of -- you know, these are the projects that we're working on. There's partial steps in that direction, but they don't know the timelines. They don't know when it's going to be idle and resume. They don't know when water is going to switch to electrical, to streets, to sewer. And particularly for things that are outside our control at most -- well, it's sort of still in our control, but it's a different level of organization. So could -- what I'm going to bring up in the matrix in a second -- and you're free to come on it now if he'll let you. And that is -- can we talk more about coordination and calendaring so that you -- not only do your staff understand, but our community also understands this idea of idleness and coordination. And if you feel like you can coordinate it now, otherwise I'll bring it back up at the matrix in a second. Yeah, let me take a shot. So, yes, I hear you. So, again, a lot of -- you bring up great points. A lot of times in construction, we have several different groups and several different crews that are working through on a specific street. So you'll have utility crews. You'll have paving crews, roadway crews. So if I understand your question correctly, it's the idle time in between crews moving in and out to where it looks like there's inactivity, but we're just waiting on the next piece to happen. Correct. Yeah. So, again, that does get into coordination and planning. Again, ideally, we want the next crew moving in the following day or the following week. It's construction that rarely happens and takes place. But for taxpayers, it's always best for us to have enough roadways open to be able to keep those crews on site. Because the last thing that we want is for a crew to leave a job site and go to another city to start working because then you really don't know when they're going to come back. So, again, we try and keep those two within the shortest duration possible, assuming work is going as planned. So there's not really a set specification, if you will, but we do our best to coordinate and narrow those timelines to as little as possible. Kind of different ways that we work through that is through our baseline scheduling. So during the CMAR process, we actually lay out the entire schedule for a street from starting utilities to putting the final paint on striping and putting grass out. So that's step one. The second piece is we hold weekly meetings with those large projects to where we're looking at a three week rolling look ahead schedule to where we can identify. Yes, it looks like we're going to have a week and a half or two week span in between crews coming in. Do we need to do a full cleanup and get the road back open or can we minimize that to allow for efficiency to get them out there faster? One thing that we've implemented with our new projects is every time a new group is coming in is passing out flyers again to the residents to let them know, hey, we're done with utilities. Now we're starting paving activities. So this is what you're going to see. Once again, here are your contact numbers, follow, discuss Denton. And again, we're trying to push people to discuss Denton to be able to utilize that. Ask the project manager a question or again, just giving them resources for a phone number that if they need to call in and ask a quick question to the superintendent, you can do that like, hey, why have we not been active for a week? Well, we're waiting on the paving crew. It's on the schedule for this date. So again, we're constantly trying to make improvements to shorten that time period. But again, with something as messy as construction, you're right. It's just a lot of coordination. So we're trying to do better at vocalizing some of that. We're going to be recording some videos here soon to talk through the process that we can get out to the public. Again, we see that as an area that people just generally don't understand what's going on. So we're going to do better at getting some information out in general to answer some of those questions. No, I appreciate that. And I hope that you understand that my questions are not about the way you do your job, but the way the public understands how to do your job because their perception is often. And even us who are more informed about how the sausage is made don't we don't always know the timeline. So that that's really what I was trying to get more at is, is there a way to take your nascent planning and scheduling documents and get them more public facing with? I mean, I'm not sure this is a good idea because I'm spippling it right here at this second. But like a Google calendar or the equivalent that we're legally allowed to do. I'm not sure everything Google does is we're allowed to make public facing. But but that kind of thing where on discuss and maybe I'll bring this up at the matrix really briefly. But that that's what I will say at the matrix is there's is there a way because now not only can they proactively on the flyers that you hand out go here's my live schedule that I can see so I can stop bugging Seth. But when we invariably get the calls, we can say, look, here's here's Seth's schedule. It's paving is here and at most is here and water is there. And, you know, yeah, absolutely. And again, we're working with our mark on team to get more of that on the discussion page. So we're kind of piloting it with neighborhood two and six. So we generally do a monthly update. We're doing more frequent than that. That's that's kind of following those three week schedules, which are the most accurate as we get them. So, again, I think if you allow us a little bit of time to continue improving, we'll get some that we can roll out across all our capital projects. All right. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. DCT a pair of boxes. Need you need to go on DCT a pair of boxes. All right. And it just looks like we're for the sake of people that can't really understand this part. It looks like we're trying to go cashless on our DCT a that was my question. But staff says they're coming. They're coming back to us in the future. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Nettie Schultz intersection follow up. Anybody was that one of yours? Oh, yes. You skip bus stops. I'm sorry. I didn't even see that. I'll just look down. So we're doing bus stops. Let's do both stops. Okay. I'm sorry. I mean, I think you scrolled it up and I went straight straight to Nettie. So to bus stop, we have a bus stop item. We have a meeting with DCT a tomorrow and stuff is meeting with DCT and then we'll have a discussion with them and circle back with more. Okay. Thank you. When we will there be an opportunity for community feedback for having bus stops or expanding bus stops or what? I'm unfamiliar with the process. I know you've got a meeting, but what what happens after that? Ultimately, the DCT a bus stops are controlled by DCT a. So they establish where the bus stops are placed. And at this time, I don't know of any opportunity for public feedback or input on those stops. But our staff give input based on our mobility plans, our comprehensive plan, and then any kind of development or priorities that we know of. But ultimately, the decision rests with DCT. May I may ask if there's a way, let's say I've got a neighbor who goes, oh, I love we see a need. Is there a recommended person maybe from DCT a that citizens could talk with or is that something I should just look up? We could ask DCT a during the meeting. Okay, cool. I think don't aren't DCT a meetings. They're public meetings. They're board meetings. Yes. Yes, their board meetings are public meetings. Their board meetings are public meetings. So you can have an opportunity to step into one of their meetings. Cool. And get that information. Okay. Anything else? Next, Nettie Schultz in a section follow up. So I this may be on my fault. I thought my notes say Evers. I thought I asked for Evers. If I asked for Nettie Schultz, I apologized. I apologize. Now, I talk with Principal Preston all the time. So I'm aware that you're up to date on any shows. So I'm sorry to have put you to work on Nettie Schultz. I hopefully didn't do much because you said we're done. I was just asking about Evers particularly if there had been additional feedback with the neighborhood group about the parking situation Evers. That's what I was talking about. So I mentioned the wrong school or somehow we got a miscommunication about the school. Evers Park our staff met with the crossing arts and the school transportation. Before to be careful, I could see him getting twitchy. Does this need to be a follow up at a later time? Is that what I'm seeing? So maybe follow up with me about Evers instead of Nettie Schultz. We have Evers scheduled for next month's meeting next month. Okay, cool. Thank you. Is there anything on Parkside crosswalks or 377 school zone and student route? Any questions comments? What about transportation services future council items? Can we look at that transportation services future? City Council items so we have text or reimbursement agreement. If there are any questions, I would be happy to say so. What is a reimbursement agreement? So what happened there? We need the work. They're paying us back. How's that? What does that mean? So once we have so in simple terms when we have installed some equipment for the traffic operations. That is an agreement with X dot where we can get to inverse for those. Okay, that's real simple. And that's for October 21st. That's going to be coming to the City Council for are these going to be approvals that they're going to be doing? Or they're going to these are these are items that are scheduled for upcoming Council meetings. So the CA means they'll be on the consent agenda consent agenda. And so you'll get all the backup at that time. We just wanted to let you know that these items are in queue and they're coming. Okay, they're scheduled for Council. Thank you. And then we see the public meeting notice. I am going to be the one I'm going to go to the September 29th one. That's where I'm going to be. You don't want to go to pilot point. I don't want to drive a powerful but I appreciate out of loop coming. Are you any any questions any concerns about that? Okay, good. Thank you. All right. We'll move on to E M C 2 5 0 4 8 receive a report and hold a discussion give staff direction regarding future meeting topic. Yes. So we are proposing to remove seven today. So that would be items 5 6 and 8. The majority of those were covered either by a presentation or staff memo and then items 11 through 14 were also provided in the staff memo. So with no questions on those we would we would ask to remove those. Okay, so we are going to. We need to approve the removal of the seven items second any discussion. All right. No discussion. All in favor. Aye aye aye. Okay. Unanimous. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. And then now additions potentially. So I and I'm out of line. I apologize. That's okay. Are there any additional? Is there anything that we need to add? I'm just going to re-highlight for the sake of being our earlier conversation of you can tell me whether this needs to be a matrix item or whether you asked earlier for for forbearance as you as you accomplish changes. I am I'll request a matrix items if if you think that's needed. Otherwise, I'm okay with hiding and waiting for a little bit. Yeah, I think if you give us some time, I'm actually scheduled to record a video tomorrow with neighborhood 2 and 6. That's going to be going out to the public probably next week and that's going to be one of the main focal points is talking through the process of everything that's seen. And I will hide and wait and I will I will ask that. Thank you. Okay, I appreciate it. Can I I don't know if it's possible to I don't know if to make a suggestion. But if you're if you're having the flyers, I wonder if even just putting that information on a simple yard sign and staking that somewhere near a project could be helpful because there are people who walk past drive past but may not live there and they're missing that memo. So I love the idea of communication. Communication I think is is so important and will be very positive for our community. Yeah, also, I just like to add that what we're doing here on these particular request is beyond 311 calling 311 for something that's immediate trash in a road something blocking the street. You know, can we get up a fire hydrant signage or roadway painted for safety? That is not located here on what we're speaking on. But that is what the public can call in on 311 for just want to make that distinction there. Yes. All right. Anything else next meeting the 22nd. May I add? Yeah, may I add or ask for clarification if this needs to be added? Okay, I would I'd like add something to the matrix. Okay. Yeah, that's okay. So we've we've talked extensively about the bollards. I think the presentation was excellent today. Staff did give us some recommendations from that. So with that, I would like to I don't know if I should say move don't you to move but that our committee goes ahead and directs the city staff to go ahead and identify maybe some priority pilot locations for these kinds of bollards. And and seeing how we can maybe pursue a public private partnership as staff recommended in this last presentation. You can you can ask that that as an item be added to a future agenda, but not take the actual action. Okay, got it. All right. Okay, so I like to yes, I'd like to move to add it to an agenda. So in the future agenda, future agenda item is that if that's needed, is that is that staff will add it to the the matrix and we'll follow up at a future meeting. Okay. All right. Well, that sounded pretty simple. We don't need a vote for that. That just sounded like well, thank you. We're speaking up. See, that's what you're. All right. Thank you so much. If there's any, I just asked for the next meeting was the meeting is October 29th, 29th. Okay. That should be the last Wednesday of October. I wonder if it is. It's the last so including items. Are there any concluding items? Yes. We have one completely. Yes. Do we because I mean parking cityway parking study is July and it's not a matrix item. Because it's when available. So do we have any updated ETAs on when we can expect to to be seeing this in the various committees? Because we've been talking about parking for two years now. We have the draft study, but I'm not sure. I don't have a timeline yet on when we're planning to bring it to mobility. So I need to circle back. This is my gentle encouragement for us to at some level somewhere, some committee to bring this back. We keep adding more streets and more parking. So we have to keep waiting. We will be waiting forever. All right. Well, there's not anything beyond that. We will conclude the meeting at 1139. Thank you all for your time. Very good. Thank you, Chair.