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 >> All right.

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 Welcome to the mobility committee meeting for August 27, 2025.

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 Seeing that we have 1, 2, 3, 4 of us, we have a quorum so we can go ahead and get started.

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 Let the record show that Chair Byrd is out and I have stepped in as vice chair to run

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 the meeting.

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 All right, so with that, we will move on to citizens' comments on agenda items.

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 Any citizens' comments on agenda items?

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 I don't see any.

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 So moving on to item 2, items for individual consideration.

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 Item 2A, MC25039, consider approval of the minutes of July 30, 2025.

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 Has everybody had a chance to review the minutes?

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 Can I get a motion on this item then?

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 >> I motion to approve the minutes.

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 >> First from committee member Penn.

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 You'll second.

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 And -

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 >> Siegel.

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 >> Siegel.

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 Okay, thank you.

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 It was - I appreciate committee member Siegel's -

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 >> Right there in the minutes.

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 >> I tell you right, you know.

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 And I will take - and so let's go ahead with the vote.

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 All in favor say aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Vice chair is also an aye, so that's 4-0.

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 And I will take the moment to welcome committee member Siegel to the committee.

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 Welcome, and see we can vote without any issues at all and it goes straight in and it works

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 great.

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 All right, so with that we will move on to item 2B, MC25027, receive a report and hold

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 a discussion regarding the city of Denton bus recommendations.

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 With that I'll turn it over to staff.

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 >> Good morning chair and committee members.

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 Farhan Butt, deputy director of transportation services division.

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 I'm here to present city of Denton bus recommendations.

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 This presentation will include a few slides on transit planning primer that will cover

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 the transit planning aspects of existing condition, what we need to consider and what different

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 types of elements are included there.

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 And then there will be a few slides on DCTA strategic service plan and then transit service

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 in Denton.

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 A few slides will be there and then staff recommendations.

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 When it comes to transit planning, the concepts depending on what kind of service they are

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 providing, these public transportation agencies, public transit agencies, it's always depending

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 on two elements.

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 One is either it is ridership centric or is it coverage centric?

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 Ridership centric essentially means that the transit service would compete with majority

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 of the modes and including cars and would try to provide service to the users as much

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 as possible in a certain concentrated area.

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 It will also compete more effectively with cars allowing more people to travel on busy

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 roads in terms of multiple modes.

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 It will collect more fare revenue, increasing the share of the budget paid by the fares.

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 And then also it will provide most valuable and frequent services to the most significant

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 number of people.

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 For example, high density areas, that would be focused.

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 In case of coverage, the concept where coverage is focused for public transportation services

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 or public transit service, the idea is to provide, to cover the social side of social

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 aspects of the communities.

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 For instance, households with zero car households, that could be one of the priority.

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 The priority could be that where transit access is not there and how do we reach out to those

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 areas.

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 And then providing some services to everyone who pays taxes to support the public transit

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 and any transit framework.

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 And then also support low density developments where there are zero car households or there

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 are people with less access to traditional transportation systems.

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 So the concept of coverage versus ridership is extremely important because then in later

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 slides when we discuss how this entire process should be improved would factor in there.

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 Another aspect where we could look into public transit, another set of lens is a density

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 or equity.

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 So density is, the concept is essentially similar as to ridership or coverage, but the

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 idea is that in case of high density areas, public transportation would thrive because

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 you'll have a lot of different uses, land uses mixed in there and public transportation

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 system would be able to pick up a lot of riders from there versus if we go to the low density

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 neighborhoods, the chances are that zero car households or the households with car, their

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 proportion could be varying and the service could, service levels could vary.

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 So the idea of high density neighborhoods, that's why planning practice nowadays is promoting

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 more and more high density neighborhoods, high density land uses because that provide the

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 opportunity to have mix of land uses in one, well, so per square footage we can provide

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 more uses.

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 I think that's the net concept for that.

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 And on the equity side of things that also helps where we can cover fair share, external

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 costs, inclusivity, affordability and social justice in terms of low income, are we providing

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 access to public transit to low income neighborhoods, neighborhoods with people who are differently

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 challenged or they have disabilities.

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 And then if there are neighborhoods where we have unique challenges as in case of minority,

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 neighborhoods with minority with special needs.

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 So all of this could be addressed if we have a balance between density and equity.

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 And that's the delicate balance that public transit agencies have to deal with while providing

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 service.

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 Do we need more riders or do we need to provide service where the service is needed?

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 So I think that's the balance which is required.

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 When it comes to DCTA strategic service plan, this slide pretty much covers that DCTA has

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 a lot of different modes that provide service.

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 On average there is more than around 1.8 million total bus ridership for fiscal year 2024.

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 And then UNT shuttle was the ridership a significant part of that.

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 And then there are three connect routes and around 11 bus shelters which DCTA relies on.

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 This information came directly from the strategic plan as the source caption states.

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 And then A train also is one of the significant projects here that serve the community.

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 And there are 11 trains in the fleet and total ridership for the year is around 260,000.

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 And then I think on average monthly boardings include around 21,000.

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 And it has five stations which are listed here.

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 In addition DCTA also offers better transit service and demand response services and lift

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 partnerships and we have GoZone which in a way serve as a mobility as a service or on

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 demand service to the residents.

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 According to the operating and capital budget of DCTA for 2025, around 860,000 GoZone ridership

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 were there for fiscal year 2024.

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 And average boardings were over 71,000.

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 And so GoZone has been an active service provider in the area and the community has been able

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 to benefit from it.

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 And from Denton City perspective we need more GoZone locations in equity-based areas.

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 And later in my slides I would cover that aspect of the City of Denton's public transit

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 scape.

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 So when it comes to transit service, DCTA's transit service in Denton, they have an initiative,

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 NCTCOG has a recent initiative that is called Transit 2.0 Initiative.

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 And City of Denton, NCTCOG has established a subcommittee for this task which is going

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 to be regional task for DFW region, dental forward region.

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 And City of Denton has been -- will be serving as a chair of that subcommittee.

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 Denton member Jill Jester would be serving as a chair of that subcommittee.

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 And so this committee would look into different aspects of Transit 2.0, how the service would

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 expand, how planning studies would be conducted, and how the overall -- the regional densities

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 would be looked at and equity and accessibility in the region could be looked at.

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 And then how the integrated services could be provided in keeping in view the demographics

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 changes that we are expecting coming with adopted 2050 demographics data that is adopted

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 by NCTCOG for their forecast and travel demand modeling, which is used for transportation

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 investments.

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 So Transit 2.0 would consider those demographics data set and see how demographics are changing

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 and what -- how the transit scape needs to be improved in the region.

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 So that is going on as well, and DCTA and many -- and other public transit providers

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 in DFW region will be part of that.

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 Other initiatives include that DCTA is considering new Corinth station to be added to the A train.

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 That is still in consideration, last presentation to the council by DCTA's executive mentioned

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 that it still is under consideration.

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 And then seamless transfer between A train and Silver Line, that is very -- it's a significant

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 step.

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 It will improve the service of A train significantly, and it will provide seamless access without

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 any transfer for -- from Denton all the way to DFW airport, so the international airport.

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 So that is a right step.

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 I think it's going to -- staff thinks that it's going to improve Denton's accessibility

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 to Dallas' Fort Worth region, and especially the airport significantly.

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 Also another positive aspect is that DCTA is improving the frequency of A train.

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 Previously, it was 30 minutes headway, and now it's going to be every 15 minutes, at

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 least during the peak times.

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 And that -- what that means is that essentially during the peak times, the DCTA service is

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 doubling for the region.

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 And that's a very good step.

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 Again, this is going to help the region, help city of Denton as well.

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 From city of Denton's standpoint, our goal is to maximize access to public transit.

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 And staff conducted some equity-based analysis where we looked at zero-car households, first

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 of all, which the map, the thematic map displayed here in pink color or shades of red is -- shows

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 the percentages of zero-car household in different parts of Denton.

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 Then we -- staff asked another question to address where -- how many of these households

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 are commuting by public transport to their work?

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 And the blue shades are showing in percentage how much of that percent of people or residents

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 there commuted via public transportation to their work.

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 So the only significant difference I could show is that if you could see that 12.2 percent

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 and significant on the northwest side, significant area where 6.6 percent are there, you could

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 see that these are equity areas with zero-car households, northwest, where 6.6 percent,

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 and in particular, 17 percent in core downtown area, and then 12.2 percent in core downtown

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 as well, close to downtown.

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 And then southeast side of this map with red shades, you would see that 9.4 and 11.8 percent.

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 When you compare these larger parcels, you would see that these percentages are almost

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 zero.

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 That means that these are zero-car households, but in the blue shaded map is showing that

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 almost minimal percentage of people are commuting by bus from there.

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 So if they don't have car, if they don't have access to bus, they must be walking or using

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 bike or some other mode.

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 And one of the reasons, significant reason could be that we can provide additional service

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 there.

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 Understandably, bus service cannot be provided in these areas because of the frequency, because

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 of the sustainability and cost and of cost of operation, but we could add additional

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 go zones so that, you know, they could be stations on demand, they could walk or commute

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 or bike to those go zone locations and then continue to commute to work.

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 So I think that's one request we can make to DCTA to increase the number of go zone

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 locations in equity-based areas with zero-car households so that people have access.

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 DCTA is already doing a lot of work.

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 They have a lot of good initiatives for that, but I think city can make this request to

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 DCTA, and that will help.

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 Staff recommends that in the short term, there should be a BRT service, bus rapid transit

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 service that should be initiated, and these services are premium services.

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 They are offered to people who could drive, but they are offered to -- but they have an

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 option of paying some premium cost, and they can drive -- instead of driving, they can

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 get directly to their place of -- near that place of employment.

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 And typically, these bus rapid transit services, they have fewer stops.

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 They don't operate like milk routes or bus routes that stop everywhere, but they have

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 fewer stops.

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 Like in many cases, if there is a service, three or four stops, and that gets you there

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 in the morning.

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 It operates differently from express bus because typically, the cost is a little bit higher,

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 but it offers more options like Internet on the bus.

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 As soon as you get on the bus, you would be working if you are a computer professional

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 or some other industry that relies on computers and many other things.

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 It adds a lot of perks, and then these are operated typically during AM and PM peak hours

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 when people get off from work and/or they go to work.

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 And other than that, the headway changes to one hour.

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 In some cases, I've seen one hour or 30 minutes as well.

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 Staff is also recommending enhancing mobility on-demand service to equity-based areas.

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 This is related to this map that I showed where we are recommending that, okay, understandably

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 if DCTA cannot provide a bus service or a route, please add more go-zone locations to

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 these areas so that people -- where we are seeing that 0 percent from these zero-car

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 household areas they are traveling by public transit, we will start seeing them using public

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 transit in Denton.

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 And the last is Denton-specific Transit 2.0 study.

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 NCD-COG has been emphasizing to all jurisdiction in DFW to look into this that's coming, demographics

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 are changing, and for Denton County and Denton, they are more than doubling.

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 What it means is that by 2050 we'll have more than double the population, more than double

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 the employment in Denton.

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 That's official adopted demographics dataset by NCD-COG that is being used by forecast

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 models to make investment -- transportation investment decisions.

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 So one strategy the city could have is that via DCTA and NCD-COG, we could launch a study

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 to see what needs to happen.

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 And this study could be individually by city of Denton and DCTA, or in staff's recommendation,

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 this could be a combined study with three-member cities, including Lewisville, Highland, and

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 Denton, plus DCTA, to look at the regional perspective of how -- what needs to happen

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 for Transit 2.0.

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 And in most cases, I think this could also be -- there is an opportunity where we could

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 -- staff could look for funding via NCD-COG or FDA for this study.

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 Midterm recommendations look at express bus service with morning and evening peak, serving

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 universities or some employment areas, also participate in studies, explore community

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 rail service possibilities, and extend -- maybe future extension of light rails if possible.

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 And then that is in long-term, and land-use planning is of high importance as well.

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 We cannot -- even for short-term months, we will have to rely on some high-density land-use

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 planning.

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 The city has to look into those aspects as well.

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 Thank you so much.

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 All right.

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 Questions from the committee?

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 Anyone have questions?

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 Yes.

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 Go ahead.

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 I don't know the cost of GOES-ON.

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 What is the cost of ride GOES-ON?

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 Staff is not sure.

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 I could circle back.

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 I'll have to check with DCTA, but the cost is not only weighed in monetary value, but

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 it is weighed in riders, plus if we had service there, what would it cost, plus if we don't

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 have service there, how many riders we get, all of that math goes into it.

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 Other questions?

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 Go ahead.

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 Thank you so much for your presentation today.

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 This is really, really great information.

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 I just want to say, I'm in that group of people that -- ridership for me is low, however,

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 my family is wanting to incorporate more trips on the bus.

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 And we are eager to see if it expands so that we can use it more frequently.

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 So I was curious with the Deton Transit 2.0 study, are we -- when are we -- when is that

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 going to begin?

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 And could our committee kind of help set a target deadline for getting that started or

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 having that completed?

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 What does a timeline look like right now for that?

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 So Transit 2.0 study has been completed, actually, by NCT-COG, and there's full information available

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 at NCT-COG's website, and staff can provide the link to that.

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 But what needs to happen is that that study was done for all the member cities of NCT-COG,

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 which includes from north of Frisco to all the way west side, and it has a lot of cities

00:21:33.860 --> 00:21:35.520
 and a lot of jurisdictions.

00:21:35.520 --> 00:21:42.840
 So it is general -- it provides general guideline, and, in fact, it's ready to be used by cities.

00:21:42.840 --> 00:21:50.640
 What staff is recommending is that now is the time that we focus on localized study

00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:54.400
 that focuses on member cities for DCTA.

00:21:54.400 --> 00:22:01.080
 And in collaboration, we collectively make decisions on what needs to happen, what needs

00:22:01.080 --> 00:22:03.260
 to improve, and how we will improve.

00:22:03.260 --> 00:22:08.360
 This may also include other discussion items as well, that are we looking at extensions,

00:22:08.360 --> 00:22:14.680
 are we looking at BRTs to be launched, because BRT will not serve only as a project.

00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:21.040
 If it has to be sustainable, it cannot be only running only in Denton, because it has

00:22:21.040 --> 00:22:25.560
 to go to member cities at least, or maybe to at large to the DFW area.

00:22:25.560 --> 00:22:32.180
 So I think staff is recommending that we do localized study in particular for Denton only,

00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:33.480
 if that helps.

00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.520
 But our recommendation is that it should be collective study with three member cities

00:22:37.520 --> 00:22:43.360
 and DCTA together, in collaboration with federal agencies and NCTCOG.

00:22:43.360 --> 00:22:55.720
 >> So how can -- how can the mobility committee -- Vice Chair, can the mobility committee

00:22:55.720 --> 00:23:01.480
 agree with those recommendations and find a way to bring this forward so that we can

00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.920
 start implementing that study?

00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.280
 >> So let me go to Ben real quick.

00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:14.660
 Are we -- it's unclear from the agenda title, are we posted to give direction, or we just

00:23:14.660 --> 00:23:16.160
 posted to receive report?

00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:19.020
 What level of authorization are we doing today?

00:23:19.020 --> 00:23:22.280
 >> You're posted for discussion at this stage.

00:23:22.280 --> 00:23:32.560
 I think you review what Farhan has discussed, and I think that staff can grab that and take

00:23:32.560 --> 00:23:39.200
 it and maybe bring a report, if that's what you're asking for, at the end of the agenda.

00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.320
 It's just not posted for a direction at this stage.

00:23:42.320 --> 00:23:50.920
 >> So staff is beginning to have discussions with COG, DCTA, and private developers regarding

00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:53.280
 transit 2.0.

00:23:53.280 --> 00:23:58.040
 We're in the very early stages of trying to see what kind of path we need to take and

00:23:58.040 --> 00:23:59.780
 what all will be involved.

00:23:59.780 --> 00:24:06.480
 So we can absolutely bring that back to the committee for input, discussion, direction,

00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.840
 once we get a little further into the process.

00:24:09.840 --> 00:24:14.960
 As Farhan mentioned, the transit 2.0 larger study was just rolled out.

00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.320
 We've met with COG.

00:24:17.320 --> 00:24:19.700
 We understand the direction they're heading.

00:24:19.700 --> 00:24:26.220
 There are a lot of moving pieces, especially some planning and zoning and kind of code

00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:31.640
 and zoning requirements that we need to look at on our side before we are ready to move

00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:33.240
 forward with implementation.

00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:40.280
 So we will bring that back to the committee once we have a firmer handle on timeline implementation

00:24:40.280 --> 00:24:41.640
 and what would be required.

00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:42.640
 >> Okay.

00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:44.600
 You still have the floor.

00:24:44.600 --> 00:24:45.600
 >> Okay.

00:24:45.600 --> 00:24:49.720
 I just have another question.

00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:58.880
 So in the -- I guess a Denton area study to assess our needs, one thing I'm curious about

00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:03.560
 is the current bus stop locations.

00:25:03.560 --> 00:25:08.280
 Is that something -- who decides where those bus stop locations are currently?

00:25:08.280 --> 00:25:10.480
 >> DCTA decides that.

00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:11.480
 >> Okay.

00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:13.160
 >> But Denton staff is in touch with DCTA.

00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:17.520
 We have a biweekly meeting and we can make some recommendations.

00:25:17.520 --> 00:25:19.600
 But ultimately it's DCTA's decision.

00:25:19.600 --> 00:25:20.600
 >> Okay.

00:25:20.600 --> 00:25:29.440
 So one thing I would be curious about is if -- I don't know if it would be a city staff

00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:36.420
 under direction from council or if this would be maybe something that could be addressed

00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:38.160
 in the study.

00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:46.480
 I'm curious as to why we don't have bus stops at services like our public libraries and

00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.360
 our rec centers.

00:25:49.360 --> 00:25:59.480
 Since those are facilities that are free and house incredible services and assets for our

00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:05.200
 citizens, currently there's not a bus stop at those facilities.

00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:09.240
 Is that something that we can request?

00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:15.520
 >> If you provide us the locations, staff can reach out to DCTA during one of our meetings

00:26:15.520 --> 00:26:18.440
 and we can get the response on that.

00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:19.440
 >> Okay.

00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:28.800
 And in the study, would other areas similar to that be addressed if we could find out

00:26:28.800 --> 00:26:30.480
 where else do people need to go?

00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:36.180
 They may want to go to the downtown, but they may need to be going across town to, you know,

00:26:36.180 --> 00:26:41.320
 access shopping or medical facilities or doctors.

00:26:41.320 --> 00:26:45.280
 Is that something that would be covered in a study like that?

00:26:45.280 --> 00:26:54.400
 >> The study would reasonably cover the scope that is set by the subcommittee for the transit

00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:55.400
 2.0.

00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:56.400
 >> Okay.

00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.960
 >> And many of these recommendations would come directly to that.

00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.880
 There will be a public engagement process as well in that.

00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:08.520
 And then, of course, public and community members can reach out and make these recommendations.

00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:12.260
 And then the methods and assessment process would look into that.

00:27:12.260 --> 00:27:13.260
 >> Okay.

00:27:13.260 --> 00:27:19.200
 And my last question about the BRT, are we at the early stages with that as well or is

00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:27.240
 that something that this committee could revisit so that we can make further recommendations

00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.840
 for council to move that forward?

00:27:29.840 --> 00:27:34.760
 Is there anything that's -- that is preventing us from moving forward on pursuing that right

00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:35.760
 now?

00:27:35.760 --> 00:27:41.920
 >> So BRT, DCT is already taking that initiative and they are already working on a concept.

00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.040
 There are different levels.

00:27:44.040 --> 00:27:50.680
 And this may take some time to -- to mature, the whole idea.

00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:54.960
 But DCT is already on it and I'm positive that they'll have public meetings as well.

00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:55.960
 >> Okay.

00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:59.760
 >> And City of Denton staff is already part of that process.

00:27:59.760 --> 00:28:03.120
 We engage on multiple meetings with them.

00:28:03.120 --> 00:28:04.120
 >> Okay.

00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:05.120
 Great.

00:28:05.120 --> 00:28:08.120
 Thank you.

00:28:08.120 --> 00:28:12.240
 >> Commissioner Ziegelt, did you have any questions or concerns that you want to raise?

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:13.240
 >> No.

00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:14.240
 >> Okay.

00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.920
 Then I will jump into mine.

00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:17.920
 And so -- okay.

00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:20.660
 We answered that one.

00:28:20.660 --> 00:28:23.240
 For slide nine, back one.

00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:24.240
 No.

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:25.240
 Well, yes.

00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:26.240
 There we go.

00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.360
 There -- is -- is this self-reporting?

00:28:29.360 --> 00:28:31.120
 How did we get -- how did we get the data?

00:28:31.120 --> 00:28:38.440
 >> This is census track data set from where and then we had a combination of journey to

00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:39.440
 work data set.

00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:40.800
 Two data sets are used.

00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:41.800
 >> I'm sorry.

00:28:41.800 --> 00:28:42.800
 Which -- what was the --

00:28:42.800 --> 00:28:46.840
 >> So one is census track data set for the basic population and demographics data.

00:28:46.840 --> 00:28:47.840
 >> Uh-huh.

00:28:47.840 --> 00:28:48.840
 >> That is an insight.

00:28:48.840 --> 00:28:53.000
 Then we have ACS journey to work data, American Community Survey.

00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.000
 >> Okay.

00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:55.000
 >> Journey to work data.

00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.000
 >> Okay.

00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.720
 And then again, that was self-reported or it's based on state statistics or where are

00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:00.720
 we getting the data?

00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:05.400
 >> So census and both ACS are a component of federal and state --

00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:06.400
 >> Okay.

00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:07.400
 >> -- regulatory process.

00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:08.400
 >> Okay.

00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.400
 And the reason --

00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:10.400
 >> It's a state and federal-owned data.

00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:11.400
 >> Perfect.

00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:12.400
 Thank you.

00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:20.520
 The reason I asked that question is just you worry about self-selection bias on some surveys.

00:29:20.520 --> 00:29:25.040
 People that are very interested in transit say one thing, and the rest of the people

00:29:25.040 --> 00:29:29.160
 that are just going to work that actually desperately need the transit may not say anything.

00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:34.040
 So you end up -- if you don't have some sort of third-party review of the data, you know,

00:29:34.040 --> 00:29:36.160
 it gets -- the data gets biased.

00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:37.160
 >> Yeah.

00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.320
 So in this case, yes, since it is data, so naturally there is a probability of bias.

00:29:41.320 --> 00:29:42.320
 >> Yeah.

00:29:42.320 --> 00:29:46.840
 >> But -- and then another aspect is that equity layer that we used is also FDA's equity

00:29:46.840 --> 00:29:47.840
 layer.

00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:48.840
 >> Okay.

00:29:48.840 --> 00:29:53.120
 >> They have a standard, and they have this equity layer for entire U.S.

00:29:53.120 --> 00:29:57.720
 You could go into districts, you can go into city levels, and they provide you equity-based

00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:58.720
 areas.

00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:04.280
 And that layer is all the funding applications to -- federal funding applications, they hinge

00:30:04.280 --> 00:30:09.200
 on that layer to make decisions on how the equity is to avoid that bias.

00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.200
 >> Bias.

00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:11.200
 Okay.

00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:12.200
 All right.

00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:13.200
 I appreciate that.

00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.720
 I mean, like, it just jumped out at me that the North Lakes area had no percentages and

00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:20.960
 some other things that made me question that, and it just may be the scale of the map is

00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:21.960
 all.

00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:22.960
 >> Yep.

00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:23.960
 >> Did you have a question on that one, Rom?

00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:24.960
 >> I just wanted --

00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:25.960
 >> Go ahead.

00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.240
 >> What year was the data pulled from?

00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.840
 >> This was a year ago.

00:30:29.840 --> 00:30:30.840
 >> Okay.

00:30:30.840 --> 00:30:32.560
 >> Well, roughly about six months ago.

00:30:32.560 --> 00:30:33.560
 >> Oh, okay.

00:30:33.560 --> 00:30:34.560
 That's good.

00:30:34.560 --> 00:30:35.560
 >> When we last updated.

00:30:35.560 --> 00:30:36.560
 >> Yes.

00:30:36.560 --> 00:30:37.560
 I think that's good.

00:30:37.560 --> 00:30:41.480
 I would be curious -- there are newer developments where I see people walking way more.

00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:48.120
 They may own a car, and so it is a little bit -- whether people own a car is different

00:30:48.120 --> 00:30:52.040
 than whether they will not use it, I guess.

00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:59.460
 >> So this map is a tool for us to assess that how, and it's not an exact information,

00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:06.480
 but it's a tool for us to understand how this whole process is and where it stands.

00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.160
 And this obviously is a snapshot in time.

00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:10.160
 >> Sure.

00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.120
 >> Go ahead, it may change, the data may change.

00:31:12.120 --> 00:31:13.120
 >> All right.

00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:19.960
 Jumping to some of my other questions to keep us on time so we don't go too much over.

00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:27.400
 Similar to Commissioner Penn's questions, it seems like our team has the best understanding

00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:31.240
 of destination pathing across our cities.

00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:32.240
 Where are the schools?

00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:33.240
 Where are the retail?

00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.240
 Where is the commercial?

00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:35.240
 Where is the development?

00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:42.460
 I know our team would share that with DCTA in order to make their route development plans

00:31:42.460 --> 00:31:49.640
 better, and so I'm glad we're working collaboratively on that.

00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:59.840
 But it seems like we lack a lot of workplace and retail routing.

00:31:59.840 --> 00:32:06.040
 When I look at DCTA's planning, it's a lot of residential, which is understandable.

00:32:06.040 --> 00:32:12.280
 That's where the people are for eight to 12 hours a day while they sleep and eat and work

00:32:12.280 --> 00:32:13.760
 with their families and whatnot.

00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:20.320
 But they need to get to the places where they can be employed for employment routing and

00:32:20.320 --> 00:32:26.080
 for the school-age folks, university and below, they need to be able to get back and forth

00:32:26.080 --> 00:32:27.480
 from their destination too.

00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:38.760
 So I encourage us to, as we carry forward, to think about and stress the larger transit-oriented

00:32:38.760 --> 00:32:44.640
 design elements that are more than just housing.

00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:52.080
 Not going to deny, it's not the most critical piece, but there's a big hole in, say, I bring

00:32:52.080 --> 00:32:56.280
 it up every meeting for the Westgate tours, where it's a big employer of ours, and there's

00:32:56.280 --> 00:33:01.080
 a big hole, there's no bus coverage, there's no GoZone coverage.

00:33:01.080 --> 00:33:05.680
 So if anybody wants to comment on that, that was more of a, "Hey, can we stress this going

00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:06.680
 forward?"

00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:14.280
 So in this midterm, if you read this midterm, first bullet emphasized on that, enhance the

00:33:14.280 --> 00:33:17.880
 background bus network and feeders to major modes of travel.

00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:23.640
 So that essentially is suggesting that we have a train that is running as a core, but

00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:29.120
 then provide feeder buses through different areas to a train, and then, of course, express

00:33:29.120 --> 00:33:34.280
 bus services, another aspect where staff is emphasizing that provide express bus services

00:33:34.280 --> 00:33:41.200
 typically for employment-prone areas where people are going to work in the morning, and

00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:45.800
 then afternoon, they just return, so express bus would cover those aspects.

00:33:45.800 --> 00:33:48.680
 So yes, they are part of the process.

00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:54.880
 Okay, gentle, gentle, agree to disagree on that one.

00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.640
 I'm not talking about the A train, obviously that has larger implications for the Metroplex

00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:07.040
 and employment, and the ability to work downtown, but live in Denton, completely agree that

00:34:07.040 --> 00:34:08.040
 that's critical.

00:34:08.040 --> 00:34:17.720
 I'm so looking forward to dragging my luggage without a car all the way to DFW, but I guess

00:34:17.720 --> 00:34:23.080
 the point is more locally and our local transit offerings, I think we need to stress in our

00:34:23.080 --> 00:34:33.320
 collaboration with DCTA these destination pathings that are more than just UNT and some

00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.760
 of our apartment locations.

00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:41.240
 And I have personally had that conversation with Paul and Austin at DCTA, because it's

00:34:41.240 --> 00:34:48.280
 very important that we are helping our citizens get to their jobs, and a lot of our employment

00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:52.760
 center, like you said, is around that Westgate area, and so we have made that a priority

00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:53.760
 of ours.

00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:59.080
 I will tell you DCTA obviously has been undergoing a lot of change recently, and they have told

00:34:59.080 --> 00:35:05.280
 me it's not in their short-term plan, but it is in their mid-term plans.

00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:14.000
 Okay, I appreciate that, and I'll just make this, oh, you mentioned you're not sure with

00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.960
 some of the map on the previous slide, and I'm not asking you to flip back, you don't

00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:17.960
 need to.

00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:23.440
 But you're not sure whether they're walking or not, I question, and maybe you can answer

00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.840
 now or bring it back later, and that is if they're walking, if they're not taking the

00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:38.080
 bus and they're not driving, do our pedestrian offerings for mobility support pedestrian

00:35:38.080 --> 00:35:39.960
 transit?

00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:46.240
 Because if we don't have a lot of safe routes to not just school, but X, if we don't have

00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:52.680
 a lot of safe routes for pedestrians, then we're raising their risk profile if for whatever

00:35:52.680 --> 00:36:00.040
 reason they've moved themselves into the pedestrian bucket.

00:36:00.040 --> 00:36:05.760
 I encourage us to make sure that these areas where there's a misalignment with transit

00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.440
 also are maybe places we can focus on our pedestrian offerings.

00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:11.440
 Is that what happens?

00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:12.440
 Yes.

00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:19.040
 So the sidewalk work plan and then also the criteria that we are using looks into these

00:36:19.040 --> 00:36:20.040
 as factors.

00:36:20.040 --> 00:36:29.880
 Okay, two, let's see, one of the things I brought up with Director Christina was similar

00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:37.160
 to the destination pathing we just discussed for these transit-oriented design elements.

00:36:37.160 --> 00:36:45.120
 Are there opportunities for developers to buy in, to purchase, to incentivize routes,

00:36:45.120 --> 00:36:55.760
 either GoZone or Transit in order to make their offering, both retail and residential,

00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.760
 more attractive?

00:36:58.760 --> 00:36:59.920
 That's a lot of verbiage.

00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:05.000
 If they buy a route, is that an option for them to make it so that people can come and

00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.480
 go to their destination of choice?

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:17.220
 And if not, I encourage us to consider ways that we can incentivize developer buy-in.

00:37:17.220 --> 00:37:19.480
 Is that something that -- I don't hear about it happening.

00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.840
 So public-private partnership is always there.

00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.640
 It's an element of transportation, and it's not only valid for public transportation but

00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:35.800
 also for bridges, but that option would open up with DCTA, and City, of course, if that

00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.840
 discussion starts, City could participate in those talks as well.

00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:44.080
 But, yes, public-private partnership, in many cases, routes are owned by private agencies

00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:47.280
 and they serve on the process.

00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.720
 And last question to keep us on time, I know that there's lots of things that we have in

00:37:51.720 --> 00:37:56.000
 the plan, different routes, different things, but one of the things that's come up over

00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:02.000
 the entire time I've been in office, and I think it's particularly apropos now that the

00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:11.760
 buses are only in Denton, do you know if DCTA is where they are on removal of fare boxes?

00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:18.920
 Because if that's a barrier at all, then that's something that we can remove, especially if

00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:26.360
 they're relying on other revenue streams to fund the buses, and we're trying to accelerate

00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:32.480
 the implementation and use of buses and go zone writ large, if there's a way to, I mean,

00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.920
 is that in the thinking of anyone's, so that we don't have any, you can just hop on a bus

00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.720
 and go if you're in our corporate limits and we don't have to worry about Highland Village

00:38:40.720 --> 00:38:44.200
 or Louisville or anybody else because the buses are all in Denton.

00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:48.840
 Staff will circle back on that, staff is not sure about where they are.

00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.200
 Because I could see that as being an attractive feature that would augment all the rest of

00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:56.960
 these things because we just don't use fares to pay for these things.

00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:04.640
 That's just not something, it's like what, less than 5% of the revenue stream is fares?

00:39:04.640 --> 00:39:06.920
 Confirm that number, I think it's even smaller than that.

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.280
 Yeah, so I'm not sure, I will confirm.

00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:10.680
 I appreciate that.

00:39:10.680 --> 00:39:15.640
 Okay, in the interest of time, I will get back to staff on some of my other questions

00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:16.640
 offline.

00:39:16.640 --> 00:39:19.040
 Any other quick questions on this item?

00:39:19.040 --> 00:39:28.840
 All right, seeing none, then I will move on to item 2C, MC 25040, the staff memorandum

00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:34.560
 and whoever is going to lead on that.

00:39:34.560 --> 00:39:41.520
 All right, good morning board members, Seth Garcia, Director of Capital Projects.

00:39:41.520 --> 00:39:46.780
 So I'm going to cover the first few items that includes the quarterly construction report.

00:39:46.780 --> 00:39:51.640
 So we did provide a response for the Reeves Elementary.

00:39:51.640 --> 00:39:56.520
 Some of you may know we did open up Riney Road to Bonnie Bray on August 20th.

00:39:56.520 --> 00:40:00.920
 So hopefully that's providing some congestion relief there for the high school and elementary

00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.840
 school and we are anticipating having the remainder of the sidewalk in place by the

00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:06.840
 end of the month.

00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.960
 So they're actively working on that this week.

00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.880
 Now, before we keep going, Seth, do you want these one at a time or you want them in mass?

00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:15.880
 Sure, go ahead.

00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.000
 If you've got questions on Reeves, we'll do that.

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.980
 I'm going to cover the first two items and then I'm going to pass it to Farron for the

00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:21.980
 remainder.

00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:23.980
 Okay, so questions on Reeves.

00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:32.760
 I drove it that morning, it was closed, that afternoon it was open, it was amazing.

00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.000
 It's like I had missed it, but I know it was physically open that afternoon.

00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.000
 Yes, sir.

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:39.000
 Thank you.

00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.000
 Yeah, you bet.

00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.000
 Go ahead.

00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:49.440
 I had a question about the timeline for, well, okay, let me ask this.

00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:55.160
 How, when this portion of Bonnie Bray is complete, I know this is kind of a little bit further

00:40:55.160 --> 00:41:01.860
 down the road, what is the width of Bonnie Bray?

00:41:01.860 --> 00:41:06.720
 What is the expected width of Bonnie Bray once the road is finalized?

00:41:06.720 --> 00:41:07.720
 Do you know this?

00:41:07.720 --> 00:41:08.720
 Does anyone know this offhand?

00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:13.440
 So, can you be more specific about the width, are you talking about the pavement widths

00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.400
 or the width of the rideway take?

00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:16.400
 Or the lanes.

00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.160
 Are you talking about the lanes?

00:41:18.160 --> 00:41:29.800
 The entire, so where children will be using a finalized crosswalk to get from, let's say,

00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:36.120
 the west side of Bonnie Bray to the east side of Bonnie Bray, they'll be going along a crosswalk.

00:41:36.120 --> 00:41:38.400
 Yes, ma'am.

00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:48.600
 How wide will that be and will there be, what do you call that, where it's like an island

00:41:48.600 --> 00:41:51.360
 in the middle for kids to get all the way across?

00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:52.360
 Gotcha.

00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:53.360
 Okay.

00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:54.360
 So, great question.

00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.000
 It's going to be roughly probably 70 feet, so it's going to be built out to accommodate

00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:06.040
 the full six lane with multiple turn lanes there that'll be going on westbound towards

00:42:06.040 --> 00:42:07.540
 Bronco Way.

00:42:07.540 --> 00:42:08.600
 There won't be an island.

00:42:08.600 --> 00:42:12.920
 We'll work with the transportation services group to make sure that there's adequate timing

00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:18.720
 for the signal to where when pedestrians activate, hey, we're coming across the crosswalk.

00:42:18.720 --> 00:42:21.440
 We don't want to strand folks there in the middle.

00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.680
 And so, they'll work with the timing to make sure they can get fully across that intersection

00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:28.920
 safely in the configuration with the stoplight.

00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:34.120
 And the stoplight's being included with this project at Bonnie Bray.

00:42:34.120 --> 00:42:37.480
 So, hopefully, once the project's complete, that won't be an issue.

00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:38.480
 Okay.

00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:44.680
 And on the Reeves campus, it's not at this intersection, but I was curious where, if

00:42:44.680 --> 00:42:52.800
 there is in place a crosswalk further down Riney, there's kind of a temporary sidewalk

00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.920
 that gets them to the campus.

00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:55.920
 I haven't been there.

00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.480
 I'm usually dropping my kids off at a different school.

00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:00.640
 Where are kids crossing?

00:43:00.640 --> 00:43:07.200
 Will there be, right now, there's currently no ramp even to get to the street level from

00:43:07.200 --> 00:43:08.920
 that little neighborhood over there.

00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:15.040
 So, what can we expect right there for kids to get across safely to the campus?

00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:16.040
 Yeah.

00:43:16.040 --> 00:43:20.080
 So, with this project, we're going to install a temporary sidewalk across the two parcels

00:43:20.080 --> 00:43:24.040
 that's going to take it to Hardaway Road, which is the first kind of gravel road that

00:43:24.040 --> 00:43:25.600
 goes into the neighborhood.

00:43:25.600 --> 00:43:28.060
 That's going to be used as a temporary crossing.

00:43:28.060 --> 00:43:34.120
 The Riney Road East project is going to build the full configuration of the sidewalk in

00:43:34.120 --> 00:43:38.780
 that intersection where a permanent crossing will go in with reconfiguration of those sidewalk

00:43:38.780 --> 00:43:40.560
 ramps.

00:43:40.560 --> 00:43:47.120
 We're expecting that project to go to bid towards the fall of this year, being construction

00:43:47.120 --> 00:43:48.480
 early next year.

00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.920
 And that's one of those areas that we're going to try and prioritize to get in as fast as

00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:56.200
 possible with the contractor to make sure we have that safe access.

00:43:56.200 --> 00:44:00.860
 But for now, through this fall semester, it will be in a temporary configuration.

00:44:00.860 --> 00:44:03.760
 Will there be a striping?

00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.160
 Until that gets done.

00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:15.740
 Is there a plan to stripe where kids are crossing currently this school year?

00:44:15.740 --> 00:44:16.740
 Let me pass that to Farhan.

00:44:16.740 --> 00:44:17.740
 Okay.

00:44:17.740 --> 00:44:18.740
 Thanks.

00:44:18.740 --> 00:44:25.720
 Currently, Farhan Butt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services.

00:44:25.720 --> 00:44:32.600
 Currently, there is no plan to stripe at that location.

00:44:32.600 --> 00:44:36.760
 So right now, their kids are just crossing with the guidance.

00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:42.000
 It requires having a crossing guard there on Riney to stop traffic.

00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.000
 Yes.

00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:44.000
 Okay.

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:49.060
 Can I ask why we're not planning on striping it for this school year?

00:44:49.060 --> 00:44:56.040
 So Chandra, Chandra may respond to that because he's working on that.

00:44:56.040 --> 00:44:57.040
 Okay.

00:44:57.040 --> 00:44:58.040
 Thank you.

00:44:58.040 --> 00:45:00.800
 Good morning, Chair and Commission.

00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:06.680
 Since it's an active constriction zone, there is no ramps that lead up to the crossing.

00:45:06.680 --> 00:45:08.540
 So which will be a liability.

00:45:08.540 --> 00:45:17.360
 But there is an active crossing guard managing it for the school year for now.

00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:19.880
 I understand the liability issue.

00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.880
 I'm curious.

00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:26.320
 It won't hold in the ground because it's dirt basically.

00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:27.320
 I know.

00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:28.320
 Yeah.

00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:34.720
 Okay, what's concerning though is that there are times when children are going to school

00:45:34.720 --> 00:45:38.800
 or walking home if they've got after-school activities.

00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:45.600
 And if they miss the time for a crossing guard, they're crossing a busy road unattended without

00:45:45.600 --> 00:45:51.280
 any striping or any way for drivers to notice that that's where kids cross.

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:57.960
 We have beacons right now with flashes out there at Riney.

00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.480
 At the east side of the campus?

00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:02.480
 East side of the campus.

00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:03.480
 Okay.

00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:04.480
 Okay.

00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:05.480
 Good.

00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:06.480
 That's something.

00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:07.480
 Okay.

00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:08.480
 Okay.

00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:09.480
 Thank you.

00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:10.480
 Sure.

00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:11.480
 Before you step down, I'm going to follow that one up before we go on.

00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:15.040
 And I just I want to make sure that I double down on that.

00:46:15.040 --> 00:46:22.720
 I think we did Reeves and DHS backwards, and normally that would be fine if we're talking

00:46:22.720 --> 00:46:27.520
 about a shopping center or something else where we kind of develop it in stages.

00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:33.720
 But we don't have the luxury of having risk mitigation for children.

00:46:33.720 --> 00:46:36.640
 Nobody's going to tolerate additional risk for children.

00:46:36.640 --> 00:46:39.960
 And I think that's what you're hearing in Mr. Penn.

00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:47.760
 And paint versus children's safety is everyone will budget paint.

00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:56.600
 So I bet you we have unanimity on paint, striping, signs, cheap solutions like that to draw attention.

00:46:56.600 --> 00:47:01.560
 Even if they're extra, even if they're redundant, if you can focus the attention on drivers

00:47:01.560 --> 00:47:08.440
 around pedestrian children, I would like us, I'm being a little forceful here, I would

00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:14.440
 like us to take those extra measures and recommend them to council or wherever.

00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.680
 And I'll bring it up in matrix if that's what's needed, Ben.

00:47:17.680 --> 00:47:20.840
 He said looking out of the corner of his eye.

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:31.040
 But does it matter who is responsible for the planning of the school and the mobility

00:47:31.040 --> 00:47:32.040
 around it?

00:47:32.040 --> 00:47:36.000
 I know it's a collaboration of DISD in the city, but we've got to get this right for

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.000
 the children.

00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.520
 Children are foolish and do foolish things.

00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:40.520
 Oh, absolutely.

00:47:40.520 --> 00:47:47.560
 We are taking safety as the top priority as a process right now.

00:47:47.560 --> 00:47:52.680
 So we will explore options and we are also working on giving the Bonneberry crossing

00:47:52.680 --> 00:47:57.860
 a little extra time because it's a combo school, high school on the other side, and elementary

00:47:57.860 --> 00:47:59.800
 now open this year.

00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.960
 So we will explore and we will follow up.

00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:02.960
 I'd appreciate that.

00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:04.760
 And I'll bring it back up on the matrix.

00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.200
 Any, any, yes, go ahead.

00:48:07.200 --> 00:48:08.860
 I'd like to comment on that.

00:48:08.860 --> 00:48:12.760
 We have taken this, this whole area very seriously.

00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:18.960
 I know our staff has spent a lot of time making sure that it is safe for our kiddos.

00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:24.040
 We do not want anything to happen there, but also we have a lot of different constraints

00:48:24.040 --> 00:48:25.320
 in that area.

00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:33.280
 So we put the temporary sidewalk there knowing that there were there were kids walking.

00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:38.240
 We pushed and pushed and pushed to get that done as quickly as possible.

00:48:38.240 --> 00:48:44.600
 I know that Farhan, Chandra and Seth have spent a lot of time looking at that area and

00:48:44.600 --> 00:48:50.240
 making sure it's not just a matter of we're not budgeting for the paint.

00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:55.680
 And we are we are doing everything possible to make sure I mean there's there's an overall

00:48:55.680 --> 00:49:00.860
 plan to make sure that those kiddos have a safe way to get to those schools.

00:49:00.860 --> 00:49:07.880
 Now unfortunately, some of the weather on the roadway hurt our timing, but Seth's team

00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.220
 really pushed it.

00:49:09.220 --> 00:49:15.180
 And so now we're waiting on some of those other activities to finish out before we complete

00:49:15.180 --> 00:49:17.600
 all of those overall improvements.

00:49:17.600 --> 00:49:20.280
 But there are a lot of constraints in that area.

00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.680
 And we especially do not want anything to happen to those kids.

00:49:23.680 --> 00:49:28.060
 I don't want anyone to think that we're prioritizing striping over kids.

00:49:28.060 --> 00:49:29.200
 We are not.

00:49:29.200 --> 00:49:33.360
 We are looking at it collectively as a whole area.

00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:38.680
 I appreciate that comment and anything else before we move on to the next item?

00:49:38.680 --> 00:49:39.680
 Please go ahead.

00:49:39.680 --> 00:49:44.320
 To anyone, what does a temporary sidewalk look like?

00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:49.400
 Leave it to Seth.

00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:50.400
 Yeah great question.

00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.760
 So in this case, it is going to be a five foot concrete sidewalk.

00:49:54.760 --> 00:50:00.360
 We're going to build it to where the current path is in front of the fences there.

00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.360
 There's two properties on Hardaway Road, where with the Riding Road Project, we're actually

00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.000
 going to move the fence lines.

00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.880
 So it's going to be built in a place that ultimately it's going to be ripped out with

00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:11.720
 the roadway construction.

00:50:11.720 --> 00:50:15.920
 So in the sense of temporary, it's not in its permanent configuration.

00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.520
 It's only going to be a short term sidewalk, but it will be a four or five foot concrete

00:50:20.520 --> 00:50:22.240
 sidewalk.

00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:27.280
 For the other piece, for Denton High School, what we did last year, we built a four foot

00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:32.520
 wide asphalt trail, and that's what we used as a temporary sidewalk to allow students

00:50:32.520 --> 00:50:37.920
 to get across Rainey Road and across Bonnie Bride towards the Denton High School.

00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:38.920
 Okay.

00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:39.920
 Okay.

00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:40.920
 Thank you.

00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:41.920
 Vice Chair, I just want to make one last comment.

00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:46.200
 I live in the North Lakes neighborhood, and I recently talked with a lot of parents in

00:50:46.200 --> 00:50:50.160
 that area, and that neighborhood right now is zoned for Reeves.

00:50:50.160 --> 00:50:57.120
 The frustration is that yes, there's a lot of moving parts, but those things were not

00:50:57.120 --> 00:51:04.360
 done in a way that families feel that they can even send their children to Reeves.

00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:12.200
 There's a family that I spoke to that instead of sending their children to Reeves, they

00:51:12.200 --> 00:51:18.600
 have pulled their children from Denton ISD because when they have one car, they cannot

00:51:18.600 --> 00:51:25.240
 safely get to Windsor because we don't have a sidewalk that even would get them to any

00:51:25.240 --> 00:51:30.680
 form of sidewalk or side path that would eventually get them to Reeves and the bus systems would

00:51:30.680 --> 00:51:33.720
 not come and pick up the kids from my neighborhood.

00:51:33.720 --> 00:51:40.300
 So there's kind of a whole, so it's just, it's difficult because we didn't have these

00:51:40.300 --> 00:51:45.920
 things done in an order where families can even choose to send their kids to the public

00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:47.560
 school that they're zoned for.

00:51:47.560 --> 00:51:53.280
 They had intentionally not sent their kids to the school because of the limitations on

00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.800
 safe mobility and a safe route to school for my neighborhood specifically.

00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:07.920
 - Okay, well, I think we're trying to balance really hard the issues and I think this feedback

00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:14.840
 is useful in terms of stressing some of the importance of these considerations.

00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.720
 I appreciate everybody's comments.

00:52:17.720 --> 00:52:18.720
 Next item.

00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:21.800
 - Yeah, so next we're gonna cover the quarterly construction report.

00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:25.360
 So I'm not gonna touch on all of these, but do wanna highlight a few updates.

00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:31.120
 So Bonneberry 3, currently under construction, we've been coordinating closely with TxDOT.

00:52:31.120 --> 00:52:36.600
 You may have seen we had a recent closure of FM 1515 as TxDOT completed their tie-in

00:52:36.600 --> 00:52:38.480
 there at the service road.

00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:42.840
 So we were able to get that open this last week in preparation for UNT's football game

00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.040
 this Saturday.

00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:49.920
 So hopefully we will be open through the remainder of the year as we continue finishing out the

00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:51.460
 paving there.

00:52:51.460 --> 00:52:54.000
 We're still on track to be done Q4 of 2026.

00:52:54.000 --> 00:53:01.880
 - Seth, that stops just shy of Walt Parker Boulevard or whatever it is.

00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:05.120
 The last time I was there at least.

00:53:05.120 --> 00:53:08.920
 Will that increase at all between now and Saturday?

00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:11.400
 - So it will not increase between now and Saturday.

00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:15.440
 So it's gonna be essentially that four lane section that you see that was built up to

00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.680
 the first driveway.

00:53:17.680 --> 00:53:23.160
 As we go throughout the year, we're trying to minimize the impact on the football season

00:53:23.160 --> 00:53:25.920
 by working actively right there in front of the stadium.

00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.080
 So we've actually dropped some crews back towards the railroad tracks.

00:53:29.080 --> 00:53:34.240
 They're working in between Willowwood and Parvin Street getting that done.

00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:38.960
 Once again, we'll still continue pushing forward construction in that area.

00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:44.120
 In some phase, we've just coordinated with UNT to try and minimize it as much as possible.

00:53:44.120 --> 00:53:48.520
 After football season, you'll see more traffic come back towards that side, construction

00:53:48.520 --> 00:53:51.720
 traffic to get that tied in before next year's.

00:53:51.720 --> 00:53:56.240
 - When would you, and what is done looks really, really nice.

00:53:56.240 --> 00:53:57.720
 I'm really pleased with that.

00:53:57.720 --> 00:54:05.760
 So when would Willowwood tie into that part of Bonnie Bray that's already done?

00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:11.840
 - Yeah, so I would suspect before the end of next summer, we'll be complete.

00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:17.900
 That's the goal, to have more open for the '26 football season.

00:54:17.900 --> 00:54:21.800
 Really the last section we're gonna be working on is right there around the railroad tracks

00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.600
 because there's so much railroad coordination.

00:54:24.600 --> 00:54:28.240
 And that will be towards the end of the project, those last six months that take us to project

00:54:28.240 --> 00:54:29.240
 completion.

00:54:29.240 --> 00:54:30.240
 - Thank you.

00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:31.240
 - You bet.

00:54:31.240 --> 00:54:38.200
 - So before we get going, I did have one follow up to Councilor Holland, and that is we get

00:54:38.200 --> 00:54:39.200
 a lot of feedback.

00:54:39.200 --> 00:54:46.240
 I shouldn't speak for Councilor Holland, I get a lot of feedback of when we start a project

00:54:46.240 --> 00:54:53.900
 and then idle because either a vendor or our team is trying to properly get to the kind

00:54:53.900 --> 00:55:00.400
 of quarterly ETA timelines that you have on the other exhibit.

00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:05.760
 And it looks like nothing's, it's something started, but nothing's being done.

00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:12.120
 And so if we could get some additional verbiage that we could get out into the community,

00:55:12.120 --> 00:55:19.320
 because that's very disconcerting to the citizens that don't understand the process and timing,

00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:25.080
 to see something dug up and then sit idle for six months and then get started all over

00:55:25.080 --> 00:55:27.680
 again, that's very frustrating for them.

00:55:27.680 --> 00:55:28.760
 - Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:33.420
 So we did put out some recent information last week in the Friday report that talked

00:55:33.420 --> 00:55:38.200
 about kind of the overall construction sequencing, but we can look to add some more narrative

00:55:38.200 --> 00:55:42.220
 possibly to our Discuss Denton page that will have all those resources that you can point

00:55:42.220 --> 00:55:48.200
 people to that will give out gaps and when they may see contractors mobilize in, complete

00:55:48.200 --> 00:55:51.960
 their work, mobilize out as we're waiting for other contractors to move in.

00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:54.000
 So I think we can add some narrative to that.

00:55:54.000 --> 00:56:01.240
 - And do we have standards for what state they leave an idle project in?

00:56:01.240 --> 00:56:05.360
 I know we don't let it be open because they need to use the roadway for emergency reasons

00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.440
 or just day-to-day life reasons.

00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.400
 We try to put some sort of asphalt patch down or something.

00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:18.880
 But is there cleanup or some other standards that we apply so that it's not an active construction

00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:21.760
 zone when it's idle, unless it needs to be?

00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.760
 - Yes, so we do have some different general notes within the plans and our specifications

00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:31.800
 that talk to trash, dirt piles, different things that look like it's active construction,

00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:33.320
 how it should be coned off.

00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:37.400
 The biggest line of defense is our public works inspectors that are out there.

00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:41.280
 They work with those contractors every day on those areas to make sure that we're keeping

00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:42.520
 it neat and orderly.

00:56:42.520 --> 00:56:47.400
 Again, it's still a construction zone that we don't wanna cause rework for the next contractor

00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:49.140
 moving in.

00:56:49.140 --> 00:56:54.360
 So a lot of that is done through regular communication with our inspection staff and the general

00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.120
 superintendents or superintendents out on the job site.

00:56:57.120 --> 00:56:58.360
 - Perfect, thank you.

00:56:58.360 --> 00:56:59.360
 - You bet.

00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:10.640
 - Would it be helpful, would it be necessary to indicate that this is a temporary thing,

00:57:10.640 --> 00:57:17.280
 a temporary sidewalk, a temporary asphalt or something?

00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:26.440
 - I hear frequently, the city paved it and then they tore it up, they, the city, doesn't

00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:27.440
 know what they're doing.

00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:33.120
 They paved it and then they tore it, you've heard that, you know what I mean?

00:57:33.120 --> 00:57:40.520
 If we could just convey that thought to the citizens that no, no, no, we're not finished.

00:57:40.520 --> 00:57:47.920
 I actually got a copy of an email that some ill-informed citizen got that the city was

00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:51.760
 simply gonna give up on Bonnie Bray, it's just too hard.

00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:52.760
 We quit.

00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:53.760
 - Throw in the towel.

00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.240
 - And absurd as that sounds, you know, we just quit.

00:57:57.240 --> 00:58:02.280
 So I think that'd be handy if we could just indicate to people that driving all that,

00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:06.200
 that this, that yeah, we're, this is, you could drive on it today, but we're gonna tear

00:58:06.200 --> 00:58:07.200
 it up tomorrow.

00:58:07.200 --> 00:58:08.200
 - Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:58:08.200 --> 00:58:11.880
 We do put out several communications with residents as we go throughout the life cycle

00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:13.540
 of a project.

00:58:13.540 --> 00:58:17.480
 One area that we kind of struggle is for the people who may not live on the project site

00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:23.520
 or adjacent to the project site, but for those folks that are just driving through, again,

00:58:23.520 --> 00:58:27.840
 without them going to our Discuss Denton page or watching one of these wonderful meetings,

00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:29.680
 they may not get that information.

00:58:29.680 --> 00:58:33.440
 So we'll see if we can come up with some proactive ways to get that messaging out there a little

00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:34.440
 bit better.

00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:35.440
 - Thank you.

00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:36.440
 - Absolutely.

00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:37.440
 Okay, just to touch on a few more.

00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:41.440
 So Bonnie Bray 6, again, we prioritize Riney Road.

00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.080
 They've been doing a lot of drainage infrastructure out there.

00:58:44.080 --> 00:58:49.080
 Our plan is to pave those southbound lanes, so those future new build lanes.

00:58:49.080 --> 00:58:53.960
 So you'll see those concrete crews start working on that on the southbound side.

00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:59.000
 We'll get the majority of that in place before we start ripping up the northbound lanes,

00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.080
 the existing current lanes.

00:59:00.080 --> 00:59:10.360
 So again, active construction there, still on try to be done, Q127.

00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:14.880
 So McKinney sidewalks, we were currently in at 90% design.

00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:19.000
 We are going through right away acquisition for a couple different parcels.

00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:24.520
 We had a lag there at the intersection of Woodrow and McKinney Street.

00:59:24.520 --> 00:59:26.840
 We think we found a good workaround solution.

00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:32.080
 Our goal is to have that bidding next month, and then we're to expedite construction as

00:59:32.080 --> 00:59:36.320
 fast as possible pending those two parcel acquisitions.

00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.840
 And then lastly, Hickory Creek 3.

00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.160
 So I don't know if any of you have been out there recently.

00:59:41.160 --> 00:59:46.280
 They are drilling a lot of drill shafts, so a lot of active bridge construction going

00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:47.280
 on.

00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:48.720
 Mario Sinicola is out there.

00:59:48.720 --> 00:59:53.040
 We will have a few gas line agreements coming before council over the next couple months

00:59:53.040 --> 00:59:58.120
 that are going to relocate some gas lines within the city's right of way.

00:59:58.120 --> 01:00:03.080
 Other than that, we're still moving towards our Q4 2026 completion date.

01:00:03.080 --> 01:00:07.720
 Otherwise, any questions, or I'm going to pass it to Farhan to cover these last few

01:00:07.720 --> 01:00:08.720
 items.

01:00:08.720 --> 01:00:09.720
 >> Okay.

01:00:09.720 --> 01:00:10.720
 Any questions?

01:00:10.720 --> 01:00:11.720
 No?

01:00:11.720 --> 01:00:12.720
 All right.

01:00:12.720 --> 01:00:13.720
 >> Thank you.

01:00:13.720 --> 01:00:31.160
 >> Good morning, Farhan through Chandra under the bus.

01:00:31.160 --> 01:00:39.280
 >> So we had from the previous meetings, they wanted to find out the guidelines for crosswalk

01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:44.480
 stop yield to pedestrians, and crosswalk yield to pedestrians, the difference.

01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:51.080
 So we outlined what's from METCD, and if you have any questions, I'll be glad to answer.

01:00:51.080 --> 01:00:52.560
 >> Questions about this one?

01:00:52.560 --> 01:01:06.240
 >> How do we determine how are crosswalk needs determined, and is it required, is a crosswalk

01:01:06.240 --> 01:01:10.200
 required to go from one ramp to the other?

01:01:10.200 --> 01:01:15.840
 And if there is not a ramp, is that something that we ever go in and add so that we can

01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.720
 actually have a safe crosswalk?

01:01:17.720 --> 01:01:24.800
 I'm thinking maybe like at a T or at a mid point in a street.

01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:31.000
 >> It varies from case by case request and heavy usage of the pedestrian environment.

01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:36.480
 But usually on a mid blocks, we use crosswalk yields, and if you have to put in the crosswalk

01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:40.960
 markings, then it needs to have ADA ramps on either side.

01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:45.320
 Otherwise it will trigger an ADA investigation if you are putting a crosswalk, but it's not

01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.280
 accommodating for all pedestrian use.

01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:49.280
 >> Okay.

01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:50.280
 Thank you.

01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:55.920
 >> And at intersections, we use stop signs or crosswalk stop to pedestrians.

01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:56.920
 >> Okay.

01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:57.920
 Thank you.

01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:58.920
 >> Sure.

01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:06.000
 Mine is similar, but it's more on the markings themselves, not the proper design of the ramps

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:16.600
 and crosswalks, but I'll try to use examples like the one at North Lakes Rec where we're

01:02:16.600 --> 01:02:21.640
 debating about how to move that hawk out and where to put the stop signs and markings,

01:02:21.640 --> 01:02:25.520
 and I really do think we need some advance.

01:02:25.520 --> 01:02:31.280
 Now I'm not a street engineer, but just driving that on a nearly daily basis, it is clear

01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:38.240
 to me that drivers do not understand how they're supposed to operate in that zone.

01:02:38.240 --> 01:02:39.240
 They just don't.

01:02:39.240 --> 01:02:46.280
 They need way more, you know, in that case, treat us like seventh graders and give us

01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:51.840
 a lot more signs, a lot more markings, a lot more expectation management, and I don't mean

01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:56.240
 just because of the placement of the stop sign relative to the crosswalk.

01:02:56.240 --> 01:03:03.000
 If you drive up and down Windsor, there's a number of places where okay, you know, schools

01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:08.320
 are obvious, but other places where we're not, is there an opportunity to put more yield

01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:15.720
 to pedestrian signs, put more advance markings, put more of the paint striping that tells

01:03:15.720 --> 01:03:17.960
 you a crosswalk is coming?

01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.280
 I forget the symbology we use on the roads for that one.

01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.120
 You mean the inverted triangle?

01:03:23.120 --> 01:03:33.280
 Yeah, okay, but many more visual references to, because this is both a semi-stroad, it's

01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:43.280
 almost a, you know, it's a high use collector, but Windsor especially needs a lot of guidance

01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:49.360
 to our, as traffic flows around in there and people try to cross, whether it's at Sherman,

01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:55.440
 whether it's at Nottingham, whether it's at Fireside, you know, there's just places all

01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:59.320
 over where clearly drivers don't know how to behave.

01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:05.320
 Whether they live there or not doesn't really seem to be germane, and to the extent that

01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:14.000
 we can get more helpful guidance for how drivers should behave, that would be desirable.

01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:20.720
 So that's the good news, as of yesterday morning, we have moved the stop bar behind, and since

01:04:20.720 --> 01:04:25.420
 the intersection with North Lake Spark at Windsor isn't always stopped, so we are moving

01:04:25.420 --> 01:04:31.600
 that beacons for advanced pedestrian to Windsor at Fireside, because we got a lot more requests

01:04:31.600 --> 01:04:38.740
 to have some electronic devices to have more visual for pedestrian yielding.

01:04:38.740 --> 01:04:44.600
 So we're moving that equipment out, and we moved the stop bar behind the crosswalk, so

01:04:44.600 --> 01:04:46.920
 if you drive around there later today, you might notice.

01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:52.240
 >> Oh, I didn't go today because we were having this meeting, I appreciate that.

01:04:52.240 --> 01:04:56.840
 Yeah, you have something on the yield signs?

01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:00.880
 >> Well, we could talk about it offline if needed.

01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:04.940
 That's great that we're moving that to Parkside, and I did see you now where the stop sign

01:05:04.940 --> 01:05:07.160
 is in front of the crosswalk.

01:05:07.160 --> 01:05:09.240
 >> Yes.

01:05:09.240 --> 01:05:16.640
 >> It's still incredibly frustrating that there is no safe passage from North Lake's

01:05:16.640 --> 01:05:24.400
 neighborhood on Parkside to access either the park that is named after the neighborhood,

01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:28.280
 or the rec center that's also named after the neighborhood.

01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:30.800
 There's more people in the North Lake's neighborhood.

01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:39.400
 >> If I may, we're getting into specifics, I know initially, I think it was made a reference

01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:44.120
 to show an example of, I guess to express what you're talking about, but when we're

01:05:44.120 --> 01:05:51.140
 getting into specifics, we're not posted for that, and I think the appropriate time may

01:05:51.140 --> 01:05:55.040
 be for the end to bring it back if you have a specific question.

01:05:55.040 --> 01:05:57.560
 >> All right, appreciate that, Ben.

01:05:57.560 --> 01:05:59.520
 Thank you for keeping us on the straight and narrow.

01:05:59.520 --> 01:06:07.160
 I had a question on Evers, and if we start to verge into ask, then just holler at me,

01:06:07.160 --> 01:06:08.160
 Ben.

01:06:08.160 --> 01:06:14.540
 A lot of feedback on this one from the community in the region, and no feedback in the community

01:06:14.540 --> 01:06:15.540
 not in the region.

01:06:15.540 --> 01:06:21.640
 They are just generally for school safety, but the people that live along that block,

01:06:21.640 --> 01:06:25.260
 they're not upset that we're trying to make it safer for the children.

01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:30.680
 They're upset that they now don't have any place to park because we've stripped that

01:06:30.680 --> 01:06:33.540
 west side away from them.

01:06:33.540 --> 01:06:41.280
 Is there a middle ground for residents other than saying, hey, in the morning, go park

01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:46.280
 your car somewhere else and then go back to bed or go back to your breakfast and then

01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:47.280
 go to work?

01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:57.040
 It feels like they're taking both sides of the street for no parking in order to affect

01:06:57.040 --> 01:07:00.840
 pick up and drop off.

01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:04.520
 It's useful because we want to, again, I said earlier, we want to protect the children at

01:07:04.520 --> 01:07:11.280
 all costs, but the same token, now we're preventing parking on that west side, and is there some

01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:15.640
 sort of hybrid, some sort of win-win we could get to on that?

01:07:15.640 --> 01:07:21.700
 So basically, the request for no parking on the western side came about because parents

01:07:21.700 --> 01:07:26.440
 are utilizing to pick up drop off and the kids are playing hide and seek during the

01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:27.440
 pick up hours.

01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.480
 Crossing guards could not manage, they are not there to manage traffic, they are to safely

01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:36.920
 take them across the street, and based on the request, we had a public hearing.

01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:41.920
 There were two residents who were opposed to that.

01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:47.760
 We only had restriction between seven to eight and two to three in the afternoon during the

01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:53.640
 school hours, school days, no restriction on the weekends or during summertime.

01:07:53.640 --> 01:07:59.840
 But in that instance, one resident had five cars, and it's a public street, it's a privilege

01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:06.640
 to park, unfortunately, if it's right next to a school and if it's meant for school safety

01:08:06.640 --> 01:08:13.220
 and for the kids, we have to make this restriction, and we outlined the same issues in the public

01:08:13.220 --> 01:08:15.360
 meeting, but they weren't convinced.

01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:24.160
 Unfortunately, there is no other alternative when the houses are adjoining a school area.

01:08:24.160 --> 01:08:31.520
 Okay, you understand the difference, well, I don't want to get too into it, I will just

01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.640
 make a comment and then I'll talk to you all after the meeting and we'll bring it back

01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:37.120
 up in the matrix.

01:08:37.120 --> 01:08:46.640
 The challenge is, the problem is being created by not residents of the region, the pick up

01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:55.240
 and drop off parents who are parking for pick up and drop off, that's then impacting people

01:08:55.240 --> 01:09:02.980
 who actually live there, and it feels like we could come up with some sort of, I don't

01:09:02.980 --> 01:09:05.880
 know, pass, sticker, something.

01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:13.120
 I don't know all the potential engineering solutions that would accommodate both needs

01:09:13.120 --> 01:09:14.600
 at the same time.

01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:19.200
 So that's just a comment, I will either bring it back up at the matrix or I'll bring it

01:09:19.200 --> 01:09:24.240
 back up to you off line.

01:09:24.240 --> 01:09:39.640
 Next item, Strauds.

01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.760
 Farhan Bhatt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services.

01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:58.040
 So in this case we staff provided detailed information on what elements could be included

01:09:58.040 --> 01:10:06.280
 when it comes to addressing Strauds and how we can prevent the evolution of Strauds on

01:10:06.280 --> 01:10:12.840
 cities, streets and roads, and if there are any questions, they are in exhibit four, and

01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:14.320
 if there are any questions?

01:10:14.320 --> 01:10:19.680
 Questions on Strauds for Dr. Bhatt.

01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.400
 I do.

01:10:23.400 --> 01:10:37.560
 Is there anything preventing the transportation services from putting these ideas and these

01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:43.040
 design methods into practice?

01:10:43.040 --> 01:10:44.040
 No.

01:10:44.040 --> 01:10:49.500
 We are currently adopting them, including them into our processes, and continuously

01:10:49.500 --> 01:10:59.200
 evaluating and making sure that we include them into our planning practice.

01:10:59.200 --> 01:11:07.920
 For the past facilities that have evolved into Strauds due to developments, and we are

01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:13.520
 also proactively looking into those and trying to ensure that if we can make any safeguards,

01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.880
 we could do that.

01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:23.800
 So would it be, I know we are also, as we also addressed with Vision Zero, I know there's

01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:35.400
 seems like there's some overlap, would it be helpful to have a specific policy or requirement

01:11:35.400 --> 01:11:45.040
 or I guess a way to say if we're building a new road, these things that you've outlined

01:11:45.040 --> 01:11:56.520
 here are must be included based on our desire as a city to have places for people to walk,

01:11:56.520 --> 01:12:02.040
 places for people to access, like you said, people-centered design.

01:12:02.040 --> 01:12:11.420
 Would it be helpful to have something in place such as a policy that would stand for anyone

01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:16.760
 moving forward as we continue, that we make sure these things are happening as we build

01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:20.600
 new roads or as we evaluate roads that are already there?

01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:22.640
 So we have two documents to reference to.

01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:25.040
 One is comprehensive plan.

01:12:25.040 --> 01:12:31.040
 That starts the story of how city will play on planning practice or engineering practice

01:12:31.040 --> 01:12:32.040
 as well.

01:12:32.040 --> 01:12:33.640
 That tells overall picture.

01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:39.160
 And then we have a mobility plan in particular that drives all these standards and rules

01:12:39.160 --> 01:12:45.040
 and that provides information on how things would be done as part of the overall process,

01:12:45.040 --> 01:12:46.040
 larger process.

01:12:46.040 --> 01:12:52.980
 Then we go further down to active transportation element of the mobility plan that further

01:12:52.980 --> 01:12:54.160
 defines it.

01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:57.280
 And then finally, so these are the two documents.

01:12:57.280 --> 01:13:03.880
 And then finally what we rely on, transportation criteria manual and development code as well.

01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:12.720
 So mobility plan is planned, we are planning to update it starting 2026, I think that we

01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:14.600
 will start the process for that.

01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:20.760
 And then of course, that will be an opportunity where we will review and improve things, not

01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:26.140
 only from Strode's perspective, but overall from many aspects of planning.

01:13:26.140 --> 01:13:28.840
 So that's great.

01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:37.520
 Do you have anything set up right now that would help you, I guess, determine, for example,

01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:44.640
 you talk about kind of like piloting a project where you may try some inexpensive, even temporary

01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:46.600
 measures to see if they work.

01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:47.600
 Do we have any?

01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:48.600
 Actually, hold on.

01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:49.600
 Sorry.

01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:50.600
 Hold on.

01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:51.600
 Am I getting too far?

01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:52.600
 No, you're good.

01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:53.600
 There's nothing you're doing wrong.

01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:54.600
 We just drop below quorum.

01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:55.600
 And so Ben, we're okay.

01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:56.600
 All right.

01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.120
 Go ahead.

01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:00.120
 Okay.

01:14:00.120 --> 01:14:09.760
 Do we have anything in place that would help us find those intersections or those areas

01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:16.880
 to start piloting some of these implementation ideas that you've laid out for us?

01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:22.600
 So the current process, as you highlighted Vision Zero, we have identified 11 corridors

01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:23.600
 in that.

01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:28.400
 In the next report, this report was almost done when we had this final information from

01:14:28.400 --> 01:14:30.460
 our last task force meeting.

01:14:30.460 --> 01:14:31.920
 It was presented there.

01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:36.200
 So we will include that in our next transportation services report.

01:14:36.200 --> 01:14:42.800
 We have identified 11 corridors based on fatalities, walkability, and also serious injuries.

01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:49.240
 And those will be the corridors in City of Denton, which where we will focus for improvements.

01:14:49.240 --> 01:14:54.960
 And when it comes to short-term improvements, but again, we'll have to rely on the planning

01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:55.960
 documents.

01:14:55.960 --> 01:15:05.680
 We will pivot all our decisions regarding planning practice applications on mobility

01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:09.880
 plan and planning documents and our transportation criteria manual.

01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.120
 This works in combination of ways.

01:15:12.120 --> 01:15:16.440
 When the developments are coming, we ensure through our development review process that

01:15:16.440 --> 01:15:21.000
 the walkability is covered, bike lanes are covered, all those aspects are covered.

01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.800
 We even look at traffic operation side of things when it comes to new developments.

01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:31.080
 When it comes to city, existing city streets, we have an ongoing process and we are through

01:15:31.080 --> 01:15:32.080
 our work plan.

01:15:32.080 --> 01:15:34.120
 For instance, we have sidewalk work plan.

01:15:34.120 --> 01:15:37.320
 We are through work plan, we are addressing those one by one.

01:15:37.320 --> 01:15:39.000
 And ADA transition plan is as well.

01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:44.640
 As a matter of fact, in the report that you, the implementations that we have provided

01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:51.240
 with before and after pictures, we are tying them to ADA transition plan now.

01:15:51.240 --> 01:15:55.440
 As we speak, we are, staff is working on that and we are tying how many of those barriers

01:15:55.440 --> 01:15:56.440
 are removed.

01:15:56.440 --> 01:16:02.840
 So it's a continuous process and, but overall process will be, will be part of the mobility

01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:03.840
 plan update.

01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:04.840
 Okay.

01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:05.840
 Thank you.

01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:15.480
 All right, the, a couple, let me pick up from there and right from there because as you

01:16:15.480 --> 01:16:19.960
 were rightfully saying, the development code, which is not necessarily under your purview,

01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:27.240
 it's a different department, but is quintessential for you developing an effective mobility plan

01:16:27.240 --> 01:16:32.720
 and so they have to work hand in glove to augment each other so that you can get to

01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:34.320
 these kinds of things.

01:16:34.320 --> 01:16:44.640
 So it might be, you, you said that the, we're, we're adjusting mobility plan in next year,

01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:47.320
 we're starting to do that adjustment next, next year?

01:16:47.320 --> 01:16:50.480
 We'll launch the initiative, the update, plan update.

01:16:50.480 --> 01:16:51.480
 Okay.

01:16:51.480 --> 01:16:55.160
 It will be completed within a few months, I think at least six, eight months.

01:16:55.160 --> 01:16:57.840
 Yeah, no, it, it takes a while to do it.

01:16:57.840 --> 01:16:58.840
 Yeah.

01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:05.200
 But I think, you know, yeah, to the extent that the two, all the relevant committees

01:17:05.200 --> 01:17:12.080
 can be updated on that one, that would be lovely.

01:17:12.080 --> 01:17:16.940
 Just because I think you're, you know, if you have mobility needs, but the development

01:17:16.940 --> 01:17:23.060
 code isn't matching them and vice versa, then we're out of sync and, and we will reinforce

01:17:23.060 --> 01:17:27.560
 what we're doing now instead of what we need to do if we don't sync up properly.

01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:29.640
 That's, that's more of a comment.

01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:35.040
 So help the committees help you is, is I guess my general comment.

01:17:35.040 --> 01:17:40.680
 I did have a question and maybe you brought it up and I just didn't see it.

01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:41.680
 So please correct me.

01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:47.360
 But I know that a lot of road design is hierarchical.

01:17:47.360 --> 01:17:52.680
 We're going from, from, you know, smaller to larger to larger to larger to try and have

01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:59.000
 a tree line hierarchical structure, except that everything I'm reading and, but you're

01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:00.000
 the expert.

01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:01.760
 So please correct me if I'm wrong.

01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:07.800
 Seems to suggest that this, this is what leads to strode's because we now have these hierarchical

01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:13.160
 networks that are running through these other areas and it might be better to have less

01:18:13.160 --> 01:18:19.800
 hierarchical networks and more duplication of smaller scale.

01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:26.080
 So instead of having fewer big roads, more duplication of, or more routes that involve

01:18:26.080 --> 01:18:32.320
 middle and smaller roads so that we, we don't create strode's.

01:18:32.320 --> 01:18:36.800
 So is that, am I interpreting that correctly and is that accurate?

01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:37.800
 Yeah.

01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:45.160
 So the easiest way to interpret it is that we have to go towards high density land uses.

01:18:45.160 --> 01:18:49.760
 And then what happens is that if we are building a road from A to B, we are building a road

01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:50.760
 not a street.

01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:56.680
 So road is the one that go from destination A to destination B, which is at a longer distance.

01:18:56.680 --> 01:19:01.200
 And over time, over the course of 25 years, and that's where the demographics data part

01:19:01.200 --> 01:19:02.200
 comes.

01:19:02.200 --> 01:19:09.000
 That if we plan without NCTCOGS demographic data in mind, and we just plan without considering

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.960
 that data set, that what that data set is telling that there'll be growth, there'll

01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:16.040
 be employments in these areas according to their forecast.

01:19:16.040 --> 01:19:21.520
 If we do that, then what happens that we plan a road that over time would become a strode

01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.720
 because there are developments popping in, popping up.

01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:31.080
 And in that, those developments will pop up because the density is acting in whatever

01:19:31.080 --> 01:19:33.420
 land use planning way we are deciding.

01:19:33.420 --> 01:19:39.980
 So I think land use drive how streets or roads will function.

01:19:39.980 --> 01:19:46.560
 If we change the land use as we bring a big employer right in the middle of a road from

01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:50.000
 A to B, the characteristic will change.

01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:53.840
 Then many markets will start popping up, strip malls will start popping up, restaurants will

01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:57.280
 open up to serve those jobs, and there you go.

01:19:57.280 --> 01:19:58.900
 So the chain reaction starts.

01:19:58.900 --> 01:20:08.000
 So I think densities with high accessibility to use cases of land use is the correct answer

01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:09.000
 for that.

01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:10.240
 I appreciate that clarity.

01:20:10.240 --> 01:20:12.760
 Thank you for helping my understanding.

01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:13.760
 Other questions?

01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:14.760
 No.

01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:15.760
 All right.

01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.920
 Well, then let's see.

01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:25.400
 The next item is the transportation report, I guess.

01:20:25.400 --> 01:20:26.720
 Yes.

01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:30.520
 Did you have any lead in or are you just going to throw it to questions?

01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:31.520
 Throw it to questions?

01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:32.520
 Yes.

01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:39.680
 The report covered all aspects of transportation services from September -- from October 2024

01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:49.440
 to July, and of 2025, it's fiscal year 2024-25 report.

01:20:49.440 --> 01:20:55.920
 I just want to jump off the bat and say I really -- 200 pages, it's really clear that

01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:56.920
 your team has done a lot.

01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:00.600
 I appreciate the executive summary where you've listed all the things.

01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:08.360
 I especially see you're really strong on grant funding since you, Dr. Budd, have come on

01:21:08.360 --> 01:21:11.400
 board and been very focused on that.

01:21:11.400 --> 01:21:16.080
 I really appreciate that we've had opportunities that we haven't had in the past.

01:21:16.080 --> 01:21:18.480
 So I love that.

01:21:18.480 --> 01:21:24.120
 One of the things that might help me that it was a little challenging to go through

01:21:24.120 --> 01:21:29.760
 the report is maybe in the executive summary, sort of more of the strategic one, five and

01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:34.240
 10 year goals or whatever time frame you're organizing them on so that I can understand

01:21:34.240 --> 01:21:41.280
 as those change, you know, you listed accomplishments, well done, lots of great accomplishments.

01:21:41.280 --> 01:21:46.880
 It was hard for me to grab onto the through line of this is -- I'm trying to accomplish

01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:50.480
 this with these goals and here's the 12 things that I did that.

01:21:50.480 --> 01:21:56.720
 So maybe a little middle layer of what are the plannings.

01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:02.160
 I think that would help both at this committee and the council, just because you're doing

01:22:02.160 --> 01:22:04.240
 so much that I've got to keep track of it all.

01:22:04.240 --> 01:22:10.160
 So we'll tie them to comprehensive plan and mobility plan, goals and policies.

01:22:10.160 --> 01:22:12.160
 Would that -- Probably.

01:22:12.160 --> 01:22:13.160
 Probably that would help a lot.

01:22:13.160 --> 01:22:14.160
 We will do that.

01:22:14.160 --> 01:22:15.160
 Staff will do that.

01:22:15.160 --> 01:22:16.160
 That would be amazing.

01:22:16.160 --> 01:22:19.760
 And that way we can help you with, again, it's like what I said earlier, help us to

01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:21.000
 help you.

01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:23.000
 So other comments on this?

01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:27.900
 I will say before I pass it completely off, I'm still fully digesting it.

01:22:27.900 --> 01:22:30.280
 There's almost 300 pages of material.

01:22:30.280 --> 01:22:32.160
 I'm not complaining about that.

01:22:32.160 --> 01:22:35.160
 I love having more material.

01:22:35.160 --> 01:22:36.920
 It just takes longer to digest.

01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:38.880
 So other comments?

01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.200
 Go ahead.

01:22:41.200 --> 01:22:46.960
 I would love to discuss the report further.

01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:52.680
 What would we recommend if there's items in the report that we would like to hear more

01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:53.680
 about?

01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:59.000
 Would the recommendation be that I request those to be added to the agenda for a follow-up

01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:00.680
 discussion?

01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:06.720
 I think based on comments earlier, if you want an in-depth report, Ben and Farhan, correct

01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:11.360
 me, or Cassie, where they need to do additional work, probably yes.

01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:18.120
 If you just have some quick questions on some items, we could probably address some of those

01:23:18.120 --> 01:23:19.120
 now.

01:23:19.120 --> 01:23:20.120
 Okay.

01:23:20.120 --> 01:23:26.160
 Just one quick question that is mentioned on the report is the school crossing guard

01:23:26.160 --> 01:23:30.880
 program that was recently taken over by transportation.

01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:33.400
 I believe previously it was under DISD.

01:23:33.400 --> 01:23:34.400
 No?

01:23:34.400 --> 01:23:35.400
 It was not.

01:23:35.400 --> 01:23:36.400
 Sorry.

01:23:36.400 --> 01:23:38.040
 I didn't mean to muddy the water.

01:23:38.040 --> 01:23:39.040
 No.

01:23:39.040 --> 01:23:43.720
 The crossing guards were previously managed by the police department for the city of Denton.

01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:48.240
 It's just moved under a different department for management.

01:23:48.240 --> 01:23:51.060
 Okay.

01:23:51.060 --> 01:23:56.680
 I guess one question in regards to the crossing guards.

01:23:56.680 --> 01:24:04.120
 Does the transportation services, do we currently have the budget and the staff capacity to

01:24:04.120 --> 01:24:10.320
 fully manage at all of the locations that you have determined?

01:24:10.320 --> 01:24:11.320
 We need people there.

01:24:11.320 --> 01:24:12.320
 Yes, we do.

01:24:12.320 --> 01:24:13.320
 Are we covered right now?

01:24:13.320 --> 01:24:14.320
 Yes, we do.

01:24:14.320 --> 01:24:18.440
 Our city leadership has been very, very cooperative on that and they have been helping us.

01:24:18.440 --> 01:24:21.440
 Thank you for that.

01:24:21.440 --> 01:24:22.440
 Okay.

01:24:22.440 --> 01:24:25.440
 Good.

01:24:25.440 --> 01:24:33.640
 I guess beyond the staffing, beyond having people there, are there other ways that I

01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:39.840
 guess we can support making sure that we've got the quality people and that they have

01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:45.840
 everything that they need and that the families in the area know what to do when those people

01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:48.400
 are in place?

01:24:48.400 --> 01:24:54.000
 This process is fairly new and as it is new, we are trying to digest the information as

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:58.160
 staff and we are trying to understand the process.

01:24:58.160 --> 01:25:04.080
 Our foremost and top priority right now is to provide coverage to all schools and ensure

01:25:04.080 --> 01:25:08.840
 that we have a stable season within a few weeks.

01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:14.080
 Once that is streamlined, then we will open up under city leadership's directions, we

01:25:14.080 --> 01:25:20.120
 will open up for further improvements or process improvements, but for now, staff is trying

01:25:20.120 --> 01:25:25.680
 to ensure that we have full coverage and we are taking care of all the immediate needs.

01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:26.680
 Okay.

01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:27.680
 That's great.

01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:28.680
 Thank you so much.

01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:29.680
 I think it's a positive update.

01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:32.680
 Thank you very much.

01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:38.000
 Other comments, concerns, any ... Well, and if it's big, like I said, we'll bring it up

01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:41.280
 here in a second when we get to the matrix.

01:25:41.280 --> 01:25:42.280
 No?

01:25:42.280 --> 01:25:43.280
 Okay.

01:25:43.280 --> 01:25:44.280
 Vice Chair.

01:25:44.280 --> 01:25:45.280
 Yes.

01:25:45.280 --> 01:25:49.960
 Can I just take a minute to recognize our transportation services staff for doing a

01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:55.320
 phenomenal job on the ADA updates at Oak and Austin Street.

01:25:55.320 --> 01:26:01.480
 The improvements look fantastic and I think it's really going to make a lot of improvements

01:26:01.480 --> 01:26:02.960
 around our downtown squared.

01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:03.960
 Well done.

01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:05.440
 Appreciate that.

01:26:05.440 --> 01:26:10.460
 And that's the whole team, it's working together, including traffic operations and transportation

01:26:10.460 --> 01:26:13.640
 services and our contractor as well.

01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:20.040
 We get so focused on what's the next deliverable that we forget when we've delivered on a deliverable,

01:26:20.040 --> 01:26:23.520
 so I appreciate you bringing that up.

01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:26.840
 We need to tout our own accomplishments at times.

01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:28.020
 Okay.

01:26:28.020 --> 01:26:36.200
 So going on to ... Okay.

01:26:36.200 --> 01:26:39.400
 Is future items in this one or the next item?

01:26:39.400 --> 01:26:40.400
 Okay.

01:26:40.400 --> 01:26:46.960
 So then we'll close item C out and we'll move on to item D, MC25041, receive a report, hold

01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:51.400
 discussion and give staff direction regarding future meeting topics.

01:26:51.400 --> 01:26:53.640
 All right.

01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:59.200
 So as you can see here, we are proposing to remove five different topics off of the future

01:26:59.200 --> 01:27:00.200
 items matrix.

01:27:00.200 --> 01:27:06.320
 So that's item four, understanding strode, item six, the city of Denton bus recommendations,

01:27:06.320 --> 01:27:12.000
 the guidelines for the crosswalk stop and yield signs, parking in Evers Parkway area

01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.280
 and then the Reeves Elementary item.

01:27:15.280 --> 01:27:19.760
 If y'all are good with that, we can entertain a motion to remove those five items from the

01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:20.760
 matrix.

01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:21.760
 So moved.

01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:22.760
 Okay.

01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:23.760
 Is there a second?

01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:24.760
 Second.

01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:25.760
 Okay.

01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:32.720
 So that's the second discussion and I'm going to lead off on the discussion.

01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:37.960
 I would ask that we not, because there was a bunch of items that came up in the discussion

01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:47.100
 about buses and getting back, you know, transit 2.0, bus stops, bus fares.

01:27:47.100 --> 01:27:53.120
 So I'm not sure whether that needs to be a separate item or we could remove this one

01:27:53.120 --> 01:27:54.120
 now.

01:27:54.120 --> 01:27:57.760
 I'll leave that up to staff before we vote on the motion on the floor.

01:27:57.760 --> 01:27:59.760
 Can I make a suggestion?

01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:00.760
 Sure.

01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:05.840
 I would suggest we remove the item and we can bring it back for those particular questions

01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:07.360
 that were brought up during the presentation.

01:28:07.360 --> 01:28:11.640
 We'll put it as an update in the memo if the committee is okay with that.

01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:13.680
 So amend that one.

01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:14.680
 Okay.

01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:24.240
 And then I also, well, I hadn't brought anything up to folks on, about Evers, but I do want

01:28:24.240 --> 01:28:28.440
 to, I think we do need to have additional discussion about some that.

01:28:28.440 --> 01:28:32.840
 So again, I would take recommendation from staff, whether that is a separate item or

01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:36.800
 whether that's pulled that one as well.

01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:43.320
 We can leave that item on if you have additional discussion that needs to be added.

01:28:43.320 --> 01:28:51.760
 I'm going to ask the motioner for a friendly amendment to remove buses and remove Evers,

01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:53.400
 but keep the rest of your motion.

01:28:53.400 --> 01:28:54.400
 That's fine.

01:28:54.400 --> 01:28:55.400
 That's fine.

01:28:55.400 --> 01:28:56.400
 Is that okay with you?

01:28:56.400 --> 01:28:58.040
 And do you continue to second that?

01:28:58.040 --> 01:28:59.040
 All right.

01:28:59.040 --> 01:29:05.800
 So we have a motion to keep all the yeses except for buses and Evers all in favor.

01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:07.920
 Aye.

01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:12.760
 Our vice chair is also an aye, so that's four zero.

01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:18.480
 And now additional items to add to the matrix.

01:29:18.480 --> 01:29:20.440
 And like I said, I listed some of them.

01:29:20.440 --> 01:29:28.440
 What I heard in our conversation was transit 2.0 reporting, bus stop reporting, bus fares.

01:29:28.440 --> 01:29:40.360
 I heard about specifications and feedback on idle street conditions, parkside crosswalks,

01:29:40.360 --> 01:29:45.120
 Evers parking and buses, that's what I made note of.

01:29:45.120 --> 01:29:52.560
 Do we need a real time update on Bonnie Bray as it progresses?

01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:54.480
 Is that necessary?

01:29:54.480 --> 01:29:59.380
 So we provide those updates quarterly as part of the quarterly construction report.

01:29:59.380 --> 01:30:04.480
 If you're okay with that, we can continue quarterly for Bonnie Bray three and six.

01:30:04.480 --> 01:30:10.120
 That's just such a vital project and it's a forever project it seems, but that's fine.

01:30:10.120 --> 01:30:11.120
 Okay.

01:30:11.120 --> 01:30:13.920
 It's longer than Robinwood, isn't it Seth?

01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:14.920
 Almost.

01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:15.920
 Wow.

01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:16.920
 I won't take that one personal.

01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:17.920
 That's so mean.

01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:21.120
 I took some hate on Robinwood this morning, by the way.

01:30:21.120 --> 01:30:22.120
 We're almost done.

01:30:22.120 --> 01:30:23.120
 Yeah.

01:30:23.120 --> 01:30:24.120
 We're almost there.

01:30:24.120 --> 01:30:27.880
 Are there other things that you want to bring to the matrix or if you don't want any of

01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:29.820
 the things that I said earlier?

01:30:29.820 --> 01:30:31.400
 I have a few.

01:30:31.400 --> 01:30:33.200
 Go ahead.

01:30:33.200 --> 01:30:46.360
 Could we discuss based on the report and based off of the memo about Strode's that Farhan

01:30:46.360 --> 01:30:54.720
 provided and the additional information that he provided, could we discuss adopting essentially

01:30:54.720 --> 01:31:05.280
 a Complete Streets policy with intention to then bring that

01:31:05.280 --> 01:31:06.280
 to council?

01:31:06.280 --> 01:31:11.320
 Cassie or Steph, I thought Complete Streets was our policy.

01:31:11.320 --> 01:31:12.320
 Yes.

01:31:12.320 --> 01:31:14.960
 It is already our policy as part of the mobility plan.

01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:15.960
 It is.

01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:16.960
 Okay.

01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:17.960
 Okay.

01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:26.400
 I'm just wondering some of the more specific things that were outlined.

01:31:26.400 --> 01:31:37.720
 I'm wondering if those need to be, I don't know, made more in stone or more in like this

01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:41.560
 is now required or these are the things that, but if you say it's already in the mobility

01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:44.200
 plan that's already been, okay.

01:31:44.200 --> 01:31:54.200
 In the report, there is a section about parking, whether we change some of our parking policies

01:31:54.200 --> 01:32:02.840
 as well as the use of the monitors around the square.

01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:06.840
 Is that something that we need to add to the agenda in order to discuss further and if

01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:09.960
 we're ready to move forward with that plan?

01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:12.800
 We do have the citywide parking study that's being conducted.

01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:19.240
 The downtown parking study was conducted first as part of the design downtown master plan

01:32:19.240 --> 01:32:23.120
 initiative and so we are conducting a citywide parking study that will come back to this

01:32:23.120 --> 01:32:28.440
 committee with its overall recommendations that you can see it's number one on the future

01:32:28.440 --> 01:32:35.800
 items list and so we will have that coming back to the committee already when it's complete.

01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:43.840
 It's not complete yet.

01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:44.840
 You still have the floor.

01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:45.840
 Yeah, I know.

01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:46.840
 I'm sorry.

01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:53.840
 It was a lot to look through and I'm trying to think back if there's anything else in

01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:54.840
 it.

01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:55.840
 I can't think of anything else right now.

01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:56.840
 Staff is very good.

01:32:56.840 --> 01:32:57.840
 To come back next time.

01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:02.360
 We're going to meet again in a month ish, I think, no, September 24th.

01:33:02.360 --> 01:33:11.240
 So we can all digest this large transportation services report and staff is really good about

01:33:11.240 --> 01:33:13.640
 letting us stick things on the matrix.

01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:21.320
 So I think there's an opportunity and if you have concerns beforehand, I would say in this

01:33:21.320 --> 01:33:28.040
 case reach out to Cassie or Scott as our point of contact representatives and they can preemptively

01:33:28.040 --> 01:33:34.080
 get things on the matrix as needed.

01:33:34.080 --> 01:33:35.080
 Okay.

01:33:35.080 --> 01:33:36.080
 Great.

01:33:36.080 --> 01:33:37.080
 Okay.

01:33:37.080 --> 01:33:41.600
 So anything else while we're thinking about while we're in the matrix, I'm not no.

01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:42.600
 Yes.

01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:43.600
 No.

01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:44.600
 Okay.

01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:51.000
 Then we'll go on to we'll close that we'll go on to item three concluding items any concluding

01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:56.640
 items please.

01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:02.600
 I feel it's such a big breath you made to feel it's incumbent upon me to thank the committee

01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:08.920
 for their support of my removing the back end parking on East Hickory Street.

01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:15.000
 I voted in council to not support that because of the overwhelming cost of that.

01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.280
 I still think it's a good project.

01:34:17.280 --> 01:34:22.840
 But in light of in light of the economic situation, I just didn't think that this was the right

01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:28.920
 time and I wanted to explain why I why I did not support my own motion.

01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:31.800
 Thank you.

01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:37.080
 I think I probably came to a similar conclusion after after we talked about it.

01:34:37.080 --> 01:34:40.080
 I had to hold my nose, but that's that's what I felt.

01:34:40.080 --> 01:34:48.640
 I felt that was the right thing to do under the circumstances of other concluding items.

01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:51.800
 We sort of did some with the I didn't.

01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:57.040
 I know you all had council or commissioners.

01:34:57.040 --> 01:35:03.160
 I'm trying to elect you to a position I didn't get to greet her last time I did that at the

01:35:03.160 --> 01:35:12.040
 opening Commissioner Ziegel and then we praised staff on the transit report.

01:35:12.040 --> 01:35:15.240
 Any other comments before we close out the meeting?

01:35:15.240 --> 01:35:21.720
 I will say that as I said earlier, the next meeting is September 24.

01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:28.160
 I think everyone I believe has indicated they will be around but staff will certainly update

01:35:28.160 --> 01:35:32.680
 us if there's any changes to that any issues with quorum or anything they're really good

01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:34.540
 about that.

01:35:34.540 --> 01:35:38.680
 So with that at 1135 I will close out the meeting.