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 >> All right.

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 Welcome to the mobility committee meeting for August 27, 2025.

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 Seeing that we have 1, 2, 3, 4 of us, we have a quorum so we can go ahead and get started.

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 Let the record show that Chair Byrd is out and I have stepped in as vice chair to run

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 the meeting.

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 All right, so with that, we will move on to citizens' comments on agenda items.

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 Any citizens' comments on agenda items?

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 I don't see any.

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 So moving on to item 2, items for individual consideration.

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 Item 2A, MC25039, consider approval of the minutes of July 30, 2025.

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 Has everybody had a chance to review the minutes?

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 Can I get a motion on this item then?

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 >> I motion to approve the minutes.

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 >> First from committee member Penn.

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 You'll second.

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 And -

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 >> Siegel.

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 >> Siegel.

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 Okay, thank you.

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 It was - I appreciate committee member Siegel's -

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 >> Right there in the minutes.

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 >> I tell you right, you know.

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 And I will take - and so let's go ahead with the vote.

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 All in favor say aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Vice chair is also an aye, so that's 4-0.

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 And I will take the moment to welcome committee member Siegel to the committee.

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 Welcome, and see we can vote without any issues at all and it goes straight in and it works

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 All right, so with that we will move on to item 2B, MC25027, receive a report and hold

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 a discussion regarding the city of Denton bus recommendations.

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 With that I'll turn it over to staff.

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 >> Good morning chair and committee members.

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 Farhan Butt, deputy director of transportation services division.

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 I'm here to present city of Denton bus recommendations.

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 This presentation will include a few slides on transit planning primer that will cover

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 the transit planning aspects of existing condition, what we need to consider and what different

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 types of elements are included there.

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 And then there will be a few slides on DCTA strategic service plan and then transit service

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 in Denton.

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 A few slides will be there and then staff recommendations.

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 When it comes to transit planning, the concepts depending on what kind of service they are

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 providing, these public transportation agencies, public transit agencies, it's always depending

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 One is either it is ridership centric or is it coverage centric?

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 Ridership centric essentially means that the transit service would compete with majority

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 of the modes and including cars and would try to provide service to the users as much

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 as possible in a certain concentrated area.

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 It will also compete more effectively with cars allowing more people to travel on busy

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 roads in terms of multiple modes.

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 It will collect more fare revenue, increasing the share of the budget paid by the fares.

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 And then also it will provide most valuable and frequent services to the most significant

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 For example, high density areas, that would be focused.

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 In case of coverage, the concept where coverage is focused for public transportation services

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 or public transit service, the idea is to provide, to cover the social side of social

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 aspects of the communities.

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 For instance, households with zero car households, that could be one of the priority.

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 The priority could be that where transit access is not there and how do we reach out to those

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 And then providing some services to everyone who pays taxes to support the public transit

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 and any transit framework.

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 And then also support low density developments where there are zero car households or there

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 are people with less access to traditional transportation systems.

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 So the concept of coverage versus ridership is extremely important because then in later

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 slides when we discuss how this entire process should be improved would factor in there.

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 Another aspect where we could look into public transit, another set of lens is a density

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 So density is, the concept is essentially similar as to ridership or coverage, but the

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 idea is that in case of high density areas, public transportation would thrive because

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 you'll have a lot of different uses, land uses mixed in there and public transportation

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 system would be able to pick up a lot of riders from there versus if we go to the low density

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 neighborhoods, the chances are that zero car households or the households with car, their

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 proportion could be varying and the service could, service levels could vary.

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 So the idea of high density neighborhoods, that's why planning practice nowadays is promoting

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 more and more high density neighborhoods, high density land uses because that provide the

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 opportunity to have mix of land uses in one, well, so per square footage we can provide

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 I think that's the net concept for that.

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 And on the equity side of things that also helps where we can cover fair share, external

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 costs, inclusivity, affordability and social justice in terms of low income, are we providing

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 access to public transit to low income neighborhoods, neighborhoods with people who are differently

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 challenged or they have disabilities.

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 And then if there are neighborhoods where we have unique challenges as in case of minority,

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 neighborhoods with minority with special needs.

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 So all of this could be addressed if we have a balance between density and equity.

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 Do we need more riders or do we need to provide service where the service is needed?

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 So I think that's the balance which is required.

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 When it comes to DCTA strategic service plan, this slide pretty much covers that DCTA has

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 a lot of different modes that provide service.

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 On average there is more than around 1.8 million total bus ridership for fiscal year 2024.

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 And then UNT shuttle was the ridership a significant part of that.

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 And then there are three connect routes and around 11 bus shelters which DCTA relies on.

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 This information came directly from the strategic plan as the source caption states.

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 And then A train also is one of the significant projects here that serve the community.

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 And there are 11 trains in the fleet and total ridership for the year is around 260,000.

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 And then I think on average monthly boardings include around 21,000.

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 And it has five stations which are listed here.

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 In addition DCTA also offers better transit service and demand response services and lift

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 partnerships and we have GoZone which in a way serve as a mobility as a service or on

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 demand service to the residents.

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 According to the operating and capital budget of DCTA for 2025, around 860,000 GoZone ridership

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 were there for fiscal year 2024.

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 And average boardings were over 71,000.

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 And so GoZone has been an active service provider in the area and the community has been able

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 And from Denton City perspective we need more GoZone locations in equity-based areas.

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 And later in my slides I would cover that aspect of the City of Denton's public transit

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 So when it comes to transit service, DCTA's transit service in Denton, they have an initiative,

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 NCTCOG has a recent initiative that is called Transit 2.0 Initiative.

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 And City of Denton, NCTCOG has established a subcommittee for this task which is going

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 to be regional task for DFW region, dental forward region.

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 And City of Denton has been -- will be serving as a chair of that subcommittee.

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 Denton member Jill Jester would be serving as a chair of that subcommittee.

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 And so this committee would look into different aspects of Transit 2.0, how the service would

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 expand, how planning studies would be conducted, and how the overall -- the regional densities

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 would be looked at and equity and accessibility in the region could be looked at.

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 And then how the integrated services could be provided in keeping in view the demographics

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 changes that we are expecting coming with adopted 2050 demographics data that is adopted

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 by NCTCOG for their forecast and travel demand modeling, which is used for transportation

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 investments.

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 So Transit 2.0 would consider those demographics data set and see how demographics are changing

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 and what -- how the transit scape needs to be improved in the region.

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 So that is going on as well, and DCTA and many -- and other public transit providers

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 in DFW region will be part of that.

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 Other initiatives include that DCTA is considering new Corinth station to be added to the A train.

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 That is still in consideration, last presentation to the council by DCTA's executive mentioned

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 that it still is under consideration.

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 And then seamless transfer between A train and Silver Line, that is very -- it's a significant

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 It will improve the service of A train significantly, and it will provide seamless access without

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 any transfer for -- from Denton all the way to DFW airport, so the international airport.

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 So that is a right step.

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 I think it's going to -- staff thinks that it's going to improve Denton's accessibility

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 to Dallas' Fort Worth region, and especially the airport significantly.

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 Also another positive aspect is that DCTA is improving the frequency of A train.

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 Previously, it was 30 minutes headway, and now it's going to be every 15 minutes, at

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 And that -- what that means is that essentially during the peak times, the DCTA service is

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 And that's a very good step.

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 Again, this is going to help the region, help city of Denton as well.

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 From city of Denton's standpoint, our goal is to maximize access to public transit.

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 And staff conducted some equity-based analysis where we looked at zero-car households, first

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 of all, which the map, the thematic map displayed here in pink color or shades of red is -- shows

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 the percentages of zero-car household in different parts of Denton.

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 Then we -- staff asked another question to address where -- how many of these households

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 are commuting by public transport to their work?

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 And the blue shades are showing in percentage how much of that percent of people or residents

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 there commuted via public transportation to their work.

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 So the only significant difference I could show is that if you could see that 12.2 percent

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 and significant on the northwest side, significant area where 6.6 percent are there, you could

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 see that these are equity areas with zero-car households, northwest, where 6.6 percent,

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 and in particular, 17 percent in core downtown area, and then 12.2 percent in core downtown

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 as well, close to downtown.

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 And then southeast side of this map with red shades, you would see that 9.4 and 11.8 percent.

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 When you compare these larger parcels, you would see that these percentages are almost

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 That means that these are zero-car households, but in the blue shaded map is showing that

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 almost minimal percentage of people are commuting by bus from there.

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 So if they don't have car, if they don't have access to bus, they must be walking or using

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 And one of the reasons, significant reason could be that we can provide additional service

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 Understandably, bus service cannot be provided in these areas because of the frequency, because

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 of the sustainability and cost and of cost of operation, but we could add additional

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 go zones so that, you know, they could be stations on demand, they could walk or commute

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 or bike to those go zone locations and then continue to commute to work.

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 So I think that's one request we can make to DCTA to increase the number of go zone

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 locations in equity-based areas with zero-car households so that people have access.

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 DCTA is already doing a lot of work.

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 They have a lot of good initiatives for that, but I think city can make this request to

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 DCTA, and that will help.

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 Staff recommends that in the short term, there should be a BRT service, bus rapid transit

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 service that should be initiated, and these services are premium services.

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 They are offered to people who could drive, but they are offered to -- but they have an

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 option of paying some premium cost, and they can drive -- instead of driving, they can

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 Like in many cases, if there is a service, three or four stops, and that gets you there

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 It operates differently from express bus because typically, the cost is a little bit higher,

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 but it offers more options like Internet on the bus.

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 As soon as you get on the bus, you would be working if you are a computer professional

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 or some other industry that relies on computers and many other things.

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 It adds a lot of perks, and then these are operated typically during AM and PM peak hours

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 In some cases, I've seen one hour or 30 minutes as well.

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 Staff is also recommending enhancing mobility on-demand service to equity-based areas.

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 This is related to this map that I showed where we are recommending that, okay, understandably

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 these areas so that people -- where we are seeing that 0 percent from these zero-car

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 household areas they are traveling by public transit, we will start seeing them using public

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 transit in Denton.

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 And the last is Denton-specific Transit 2.0 study.

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 NCD-COG has been emphasizing to all jurisdiction in DFW to look into this that's coming, demographics

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 are changing, and for Denton County and Denton, they are more than doubling.

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 What it means is that by 2050 we'll have more than double the population, more than double

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 the employment in Denton.

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 That's official adopted demographics dataset by NCD-COG that is being used by forecast

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 models to make investment -- transportation investment decisions.

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 So one strategy the city could have is that via DCTA and NCD-COG, we could launch a study

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 to see what needs to happen.

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 And this study could be individually by city of Denton and DCTA, or in staff's recommendation,

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 this could be a combined study with three-member cities, including Lewisville, Highland, and

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 And in most cases, I think this could also be -- there is an opportunity where we could

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 -- staff could look for funding via NCD-COG or FDA for this study.

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 Midterm recommendations look at express bus service with morning and evening peak, serving

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 universities or some employment areas, also participate in studies, explore community

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 rail service possibilities, and extend -- maybe future extension of light rails if possible.

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 And then that is in long-term, and land-use planning is of high importance as well.

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 We cannot -- even for short-term months, we will have to rely on some high-density land-use

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 The city has to look into those aspects as well.

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 What is the cost of ride GOES-ON?

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 Staff is not sure.

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 I could circle back.

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 I'll have to check with DCTA, but the cost is not only weighed in monetary value, but

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 it is weighed in riders, plus if we had service there, what would it cost, plus if we don't

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 have service there, how many riders we get, all of that math goes into it.

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 Other questions?

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 Thank you so much for your presentation today.

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 This is really, really great information.

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 I just want to say, I'm in that group of people that -- ridership for me is low, however,

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 my family is wanting to incorporate more trips on the bus.

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 And we are eager to see if it expands so that we can use it more frequently.

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 So I was curious with the Deton Transit 2.0 study, are we -- when are we -- when is that

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 going to begin?

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 And could our committee kind of help set a target deadline for getting that started or

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 having that completed?

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 What does a timeline look like right now for that?

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 So Transit 2.0 study has been completed, actually, by NCT-COG, and there's full information available

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 at NCT-COG's website, and staff can provide the link to that.

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 But what needs to happen is that that study was done for all the member cities of NCT-COG,

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 which includes from north of Frisco to all the way west side, and it has a lot of cities

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 and a lot of jurisdictions.

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 So it is general -- it provides general guideline, and, in fact, it's ready to be used by cities.

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 What staff is recommending is that now is the time that we focus on localized study

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 that focuses on member cities for DCTA.

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 And in collaboration, we collectively make decisions on what needs to happen, what needs

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 to improve, and how we will improve.

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 This may also include other discussion items as well, that are we looking at extensions,

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 are we looking at BRTs to be launched, because BRT will not serve only as a project.

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 If it has to be sustainable, it cannot be only running only in Denton, because it has

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 to go to member cities at least, or maybe to at large to the DFW area.

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 So I think staff is recommending that we do localized study in particular for Denton only,

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 if that helps.

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 But our recommendation is that it should be collective study with three member cities

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 and DCTA together, in collaboration with federal agencies and NCTCOG.

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 >> So how can -- how can the mobility committee -- Vice Chair, can the mobility committee

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 agree with those recommendations and find a way to bring this forward so that we can

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 start implementing that study?

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 >> So let me go to Ben real quick.

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 Are we -- it's unclear from the agenda title, are we posted to give direction, or we just

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 posted to receive report?

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 What level of authorization are we doing today?

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 >> You're posted for discussion at this stage.

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 I think you review what Farhan has discussed, and I think that staff can grab that and take

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 it and maybe bring a report, if that's what you're asking for, at the end of the agenda.

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 It's just not posted for a direction at this stage.

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 >> So staff is beginning to have discussions with COG, DCTA, and private developers regarding

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 transit 2.0.

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 We're in the very early stages of trying to see what kind of path we need to take and

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 what all will be involved.

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 So we can absolutely bring that back to the committee for input, discussion, direction,

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 once we get a little further into the process.

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 As Farhan mentioned, the transit 2.0 larger study was just rolled out.

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 We've met with COG.

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 We understand the direction they're heading.

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 There are a lot of moving pieces, especially some planning and zoning and kind of code

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 and zoning requirements that we need to look at on our side before we are ready to move

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 forward with implementation.

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 So we will bring that back to the committee once we have a firmer handle on timeline implementation

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 and what would be required.

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 >> Okay.

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 You still have the floor.

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 >> Okay.

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 I just have another question.

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 So in the -- I guess a Denton area study to assess our needs, one thing I'm curious about

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 is the current bus stop locations.

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 Is that something -- who decides where those bus stop locations are currently?

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 >> DCTA decides that.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> But Denton staff is in touch with DCTA.

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 We have a biweekly meeting and we can make some recommendations.

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 But ultimately it's DCTA's decision.

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 >> Okay.

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 So one thing I would be curious about is if -- I don't know if it would be a city staff

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 under direction from council or if this would be maybe something that could be addressed

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 in the study.

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 I'm curious as to why we don't have bus stops at services like our public libraries and

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 our rec centers.

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 Since those are facilities that are free and house incredible services and assets for our

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 citizens, currently there's not a bus stop at those facilities.

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 Is that something that we can request?

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 >> If you provide us the locations, staff can reach out to DCTA during one of our meetings

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 and we can get the response on that.

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 >> Okay.

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 And in the study, would other areas similar to that be addressed if we could find out

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 where else do people need to go?

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 They may want to go to the downtown, but they may need to be going across town to, you know,

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 access shopping or medical facilities or doctors.

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 Is that something that would be covered in a study like that?

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 >> The study would reasonably cover the scope that is set by the subcommittee for the transit

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 2.0.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> And many of these recommendations would come directly to that.

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 There will be a public engagement process as well in that.

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 And then, of course, public and community members can reach out and make these recommendations.

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 And then the methods and assessment process would look into that.

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 >> Okay.

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 And my last question about the BRT, are we at the early stages with that as well or is

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 that something that this committee could revisit so that we can make further recommendations

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 for council to move that forward?

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 Is there anything that's -- that is preventing us from moving forward on pursuing that right

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 now?

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 >> So BRT, DCT is already taking that initiative and they are already working on a concept.

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 There are different levels.

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 And this may take some time to -- to mature, the whole idea.

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 But DCT is already on it and I'm positive that they'll have public meetings as well.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> And City of Denton staff is already part of that process.

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 We engage on multiple meetings with them.

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 >> Okay.

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 Great.

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 Thank you.

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 >> Commissioner Ziegelt, did you have any questions or concerns that you want to raise?

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 >> No.

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 >> Okay.

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 Then I will jump into mine.

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 And so -- okay.

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 We answered that one.

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 For slide nine, back one.

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 No.

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 Well, yes.

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 There we go.

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 There -- is -- is this self-reporting?

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 How did we get -- how did we get the data?

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 >> This is census track data set from where and then we had a combination of journey to

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 work data set.

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 Two data sets are used.

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 >> I'm sorry.

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 Which -- what was the --

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 >> So one is census track data set for the basic population and demographics data.

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 >> Uh-huh.

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 >> That is an insight.

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 Then we have ACS journey to work data, American Community Survey.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> Journey to work data.

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 >> Okay.

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 And then again, that was self-reported or it's based on state statistics or where are

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 we getting the data?

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 >> So census and both ACS are a component of federal and state --

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 >> Okay.

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 >> -- regulatory process.

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 >> Okay.

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 And the reason --

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 >> It's a state and federal-owned data.

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 >> Perfect.

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 Thank you.

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 The reason I asked that question is just you worry about self-selection bias on some surveys.

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 People that are very interested in transit say one thing, and the rest of the people

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 that are just going to work that actually desperately need the transit may not say anything.

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 So you end up -- if you don't have some sort of third-party review of the data, you know,

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 it gets -- the data gets biased.

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 >> Yeah.

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 So in this case, yes, since it is data, so naturally there is a probability of bias.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> But -- and then another aspect is that equity layer that we used is also FDA's equity

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 layer.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> They have a standard, and they have this equity layer for entire U.S.

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 You could go into districts, you can go into city levels, and they provide you equity-based

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 areas.

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 And that layer is all the funding applications to -- federal funding applications, they hinge

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 on that layer to make decisions on how the equity is to avoid that bias.

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 >> Bias.

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 Okay.

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 All right.

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 I appreciate that.

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 I mean, like, it just jumped out at me that the North Lakes area had no percentages and

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 some other things that made me question that, and it just may be the scale of the map is

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 all.

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 >> Yep.

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 >> Did you have a question on that one, Rom?

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 >> I just wanted --

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 >> Go ahead.

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 >> What year was the data pulled from?

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 >> This was a year ago.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> Well, roughly about six months ago.

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 >> Oh, okay.

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 That's good.

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 >> When we last updated.

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 >> Yes.

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 I think that's good.

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 I would be curious -- there are newer developments where I see people walking way more.

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 They may own a car, and so it is a little bit -- whether people own a car is different

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 than whether they will not use it, I guess.

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 >> So this map is a tool for us to assess that how, and it's not an exact information,

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 but it's a tool for us to understand how this whole process is and where it stands.

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 And this obviously is a snapshot in time.

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 >> Sure.

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 >> Go ahead, it may change, the data may change.

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 >> All right.

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 Jumping to some of my other questions to keep us on time so we don't go too much over.

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 Similar to Commissioner Penn's questions, it seems like our team has the best understanding

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 of destination pathing across our cities.

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 Where are the schools?

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 Where are the retail?

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 Where is the commercial?

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 Where is the development?

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 I know our team would share that with DCTA in order to make their route development plans

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 better, and so I'm glad we're working collaboratively on that.

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 But it seems like we lack a lot of workplace and retail routing.

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 When I look at DCTA's planning, it's a lot of residential, which is understandable.

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 That's where the people are for eight to 12 hours a day while they sleep and eat and work

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 with their families and whatnot.

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 But they need to get to the places where they can be employed for employment routing and

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 for the school-age folks, university and below, they need to be able to get back and forth

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 from their destination too.

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 So I encourage us to, as we carry forward, to think about and stress the larger transit-oriented

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 design elements that are more than just housing.

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 Not going to deny, it's not the most critical piece, but there's a big hole in, say, I bring

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 it up every meeting for the Westgate tours, where it's a big employer of ours, and there's

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 a big hole, there's no bus coverage, there's no GoZone coverage.

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 So if anybody wants to comment on that, that was more of a, "Hey, can we stress this going

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 forward?"

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 So in this midterm, if you read this midterm, first bullet emphasized on that, enhance the

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 background bus network and feeders to major modes of travel.

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 So that essentially is suggesting that we have a train that is running as a core, but

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 then provide feeder buses through different areas to a train, and then, of course, express

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 bus services, another aspect where staff is emphasizing that provide express bus services

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 typically for employment-prone areas where people are going to work in the morning, and

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 then afternoon, they just return, so express bus would cover those aspects.

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 So yes, they are part of the process.

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 Okay, gentle, gentle, agree to disagree on that one.

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 I'm not talking about the A train, obviously that has larger implications for the Metroplex

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 and employment, and the ability to work downtown, but live in Denton, completely agree that

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 that's critical.

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 I'm so looking forward to dragging my luggage without a car all the way to DFW, but I guess

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 the point is more locally and our local transit offerings, I think we need to stress in our

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 collaboration with DCTA these destination pathings that are more than just UNT and some

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 of our apartment locations.

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 And I have personally had that conversation with Paul and Austin at DCTA, because it's

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 very important that we are helping our citizens get to their jobs, and a lot of our employment

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 center, like you said, is around that Westgate area, and so we have made that a priority

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 of ours.

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 I will tell you DCTA obviously has been undergoing a lot of change recently, and they have told

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 me it's not in their short-term plan, but it is in their mid-term plans.

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 Okay, I appreciate that, and I'll just make this, oh, you mentioned you're not sure with

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 some of the map on the previous slide, and I'm not asking you to flip back, you don't

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 need to.

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 But you're not sure whether they're walking or not, I question, and maybe you can answer

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 now or bring it back later, and that is if they're walking, if they're not taking the

472
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:38,080
 bus and they're not driving, do our pedestrian offerings for mobility support pedestrian

473
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,960
 transit?

474
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:46,240
 Because if we don't have a lot of safe routes to not just school, but X, if we don't have

475
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:52,680
 a lot of safe routes for pedestrians, then we're raising their risk profile if for whatever

476
00:35:52,680 --> 00:36:00,040
 reason they've moved themselves into the pedestrian bucket.

477
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,760
 I encourage us to make sure that these areas where there's a misalignment with transit

478
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,440
 also are maybe places we can focus on our pedestrian offerings.

479
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,440
 Is that what happens?

480
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,440
 Yes.

481
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:19,040
 So the sidewalk work plan and then also the criteria that we are using looks into these

482
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,040
 as factors.

483
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:29,880
 Okay, two, let's see, one of the things I brought up with Director Christina was similar

484
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:37,160
 to the destination pathing we just discussed for these transit-oriented design elements.

485
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:45,120
 Are there opportunities for developers to buy in, to purchase, to incentivize routes,

486
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:55,760
 either GoZone or Transit in order to make their offering, both retail and residential,

487
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,760
 more attractive?

488
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,920
 That's a lot of verbiage.

489
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,000
 If they buy a route, is that an option for them to make it so that people can come and

490
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,480
 go to their destination of choice?

491
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:17,220
 And if not, I encourage us to consider ways that we can incentivize developer buy-in.

492
00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:19,480
 Is that something that -- I don't hear about it happening.

493
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,840
 So public-private partnership is always there.

494
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,640
 It's an element of transportation, and it's not only valid for public transportation but

495
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:35,800
 also for bridges, but that option would open up with DCTA, and City, of course, if that

496
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,840
 discussion starts, City could participate in those talks as well.

497
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,080
 But, yes, public-private partnership, in many cases, routes are owned by private agencies

498
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,280
 and they serve on the process.

499
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,720
 And last question to keep us on time, I know that there's lots of things that we have in

500
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:56,000
 the plan, different routes, different things, but one of the things that's come up over

501
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:02,000
 the entire time I've been in office, and I think it's particularly apropos now that the

502
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:11,760
 buses are only in Denton, do you know if DCTA is where they are on removal of fare boxes?

503
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:18,920
 Because if that's a barrier at all, then that's something that we can remove, especially if

504
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:26,360
 they're relying on other revenue streams to fund the buses, and we're trying to accelerate

505
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:32,480
 the implementation and use of buses and go zone writ large, if there's a way to, I mean,

506
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,920
 is that in the thinking of anyone's, so that we don't have any, you can just hop on a bus

507
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,720
 and go if you're in our corporate limits and we don't have to worry about Highland Village

508
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,200
 or Louisville or anybody else because the buses are all in Denton.

509
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,840
 Staff will circle back on that, staff is not sure about where they are.

510
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,200
 Because I could see that as being an attractive feature that would augment all the rest of

511
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,960
 these things because we just don't use fares to pay for these things.

512
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:04,640
 That's just not something, it's like what, less than 5% of the revenue stream is fares?

513
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,920
 Confirm that number, I think it's even smaller than that.

514
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,280
 Yeah, so I'm not sure, I will confirm.

515
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,680
 I appreciate that.

516
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,640
 Okay, in the interest of time, I will get back to staff on some of my other questions

517
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,640
 offline.

518
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,040
 Any other quick questions on this item?

519
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:28,840
 All right, seeing none, then I will move on to item 2C, MC 25040, the staff memorandum

520
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,560
 and whoever is going to lead on that.

521
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:41,520
 All right, good morning board members, Seth Garcia, Director of Capital Projects.

522
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,780
 So I'm going to cover the first few items that includes the quarterly construction report.

523
00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:51,640
 So we did provide a response for the Reeves Elementary.

524
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,520
 Some of you may know we did open up Riney Road to Bonnie Bray on August 20th.

525
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,920
 So hopefully that's providing some congestion relief there for the high school and elementary

526
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,840
 school and we are anticipating having the remainder of the sidewalk in place by the

527
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,840
 end of the month.

528
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,960
 So they're actively working on that this week.

529
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,880
 Now, before we keep going, Seth, do you want these one at a time or you want them in mass?

530
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,880
 Sure, go ahead.

531
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,000
 If you've got questions on Reeves, we'll do that.

532
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,980
 I'm going to cover the first two items and then I'm going to pass it to Farron for the

533
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:21,980
 remainder.

534
00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:23,980
 Okay, so questions on Reeves.

535
00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:32,760
 I drove it that morning, it was closed, that afternoon it was open, it was amazing.

536
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,000
 It's like I had missed it, but I know it was physically open that afternoon.

537
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000
 Yes, sir.

538
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,000
 Thank you.

539
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,000
 Yeah, you bet.

540
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,000
 Go ahead.

541
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:49,440
 I had a question about the timeline for, well, okay, let me ask this.

542
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,160
 How, when this portion of Bonnie Bray is complete, I know this is kind of a little bit further

543
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:01,860
 down the road, what is the width of Bonnie Bray?

544
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:06,720
 What is the expected width of Bonnie Bray once the road is finalized?

545
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:07,720
 Do you know this?

546
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:08,720
 Does anyone know this offhand?

547
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:13,440
 So, can you be more specific about the width, are you talking about the pavement widths

548
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,400
 or the width of the rideway take?

549
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,400
 Or the lanes.

550
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,160
 Are you talking about the lanes?

551
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:29,800
 The entire, so where children will be using a finalized crosswalk to get from, let's say,

552
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:36,120
 the west side of Bonnie Bray to the east side of Bonnie Bray, they'll be going along a crosswalk.

553
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,400
 Yes, ma'am.

554
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:48,600
 How wide will that be and will there be, what do you call that, where it's like an island

555
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,360
 in the middle for kids to get all the way across?

556
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,360
 Gotcha.

557
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,360
 Okay.

558
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,360
 So, great question.

559
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,000
 It's going to be roughly probably 70 feet, so it's going to be built out to accommodate

560
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:06,040
 the full six lane with multiple turn lanes there that'll be going on westbound towards

561
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,540
 Bronco Way.

562
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:08,600
 There won't be an island.

563
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,920
 We'll work with the transportation services group to make sure that there's adequate timing

564
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:18,720
 for the signal to where when pedestrians activate, hey, we're coming across the crosswalk.

565
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,440
 We don't want to strand folks there in the middle.

566
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,680
 And so, they'll work with the timing to make sure they can get fully across that intersection

567
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,920
 safely in the configuration with the stoplight.

568
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:34,120
 And the stoplight's being included with this project at Bonnie Bray.

569
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,480
 So, hopefully, once the project's complete, that won't be an issue.

570
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,480
 Okay.

571
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,680
 And on the Reeves campus, it's not at this intersection, but I was curious where, if

572
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:52,800
 there is in place a crosswalk further down Riney, there's kind of a temporary sidewalk

573
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,920
 that gets them to the campus.

574
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,920
 I haven't been there.

575
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,480
 I'm usually dropping my kids off at a different school.

576
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,640
 Where are kids crossing?

577
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:07,200
 Will there be, right now, there's currently no ramp even to get to the street level from

578
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,920
 that little neighborhood over there.

579
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:15,040
 So, what can we expect right there for kids to get across safely to the campus?

580
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,040
 Yeah.

581
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,080
 So, with this project, we're going to install a temporary sidewalk across the two parcels

582
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,040
 that's going to take it to Hardaway Road, which is the first kind of gravel road that

583
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,600
 goes into the neighborhood.

584
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,060
 That's going to be used as a temporary crossing.

585
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:34,120
 The Riney Road East project is going to build the full configuration of the sidewalk in

586
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,780
 that intersection where a permanent crossing will go in with reconfiguration of those sidewalk

587
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:40,560
 ramps.

588
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:47,120
 We're expecting that project to go to bid towards the fall of this year, being construction

589
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,480
 early next year.

590
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,920
 And that's one of those areas that we're going to try and prioritize to get in as fast as

591
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,200
 possible with the contractor to make sure we have that safe access.

592
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,860
 But for now, through this fall semester, it will be in a temporary configuration.

593
00:44:00,860 --> 00:44:03,760
 Will there be a striping?

594
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,160
 Until that gets done.

595
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:15,740
 Is there a plan to stripe where kids are crossing currently this school year?

596
00:44:15,740 --> 00:44:16,740
 Let me pass that to Farhan.

597
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:17,740
 Okay.

598
00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:18,740
 Thanks.

599
00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:25,720
 Currently, Farhan Butt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services.

600
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:32,600
 Currently, there is no plan to stripe at that location.

601
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,760
 So right now, their kids are just crossing with the guidance.

602
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,000
 It requires having a crossing guard there on Riney to stop traffic.

603
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
 Yes.

604
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,000
 Okay.

605
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:49,060
 Can I ask why we're not planning on striping it for this school year?

606
00:44:49,060 --> 00:44:56,040
 So Chandra, Chandra may respond to that because he's working on that.

607
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,040
 Okay.

608
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040
 Thank you.

609
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,800
 Good morning, Chair and Commission.

610
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,680
 Since it's an active constriction zone, there is no ramps that lead up to the crossing.

611
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,540
 So which will be a liability.

612
00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:17,360
 But there is an active crossing guard managing it for the school year for now.

613
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,880
 I understand the liability issue.

614
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,880
 I'm curious.

615
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,320
 It won't hold in the ground because it's dirt basically.

616
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,320
 I know.

617
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,320
 Yeah.

618
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:34,720
 Okay, what's concerning though is that there are times when children are going to school

619
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:38,800
 or walking home if they've got after-school activities.

620
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:45,600
 And if they miss the time for a crossing guard, they're crossing a busy road unattended without

621
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,280
 any striping or any way for drivers to notice that that's where kids cross.

622
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:57,960
 We have beacons right now with flashes out there at Riney.

623
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,480
 At the east side of the campus?

624
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,480
 East side of the campus.

625
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,480
 Okay.

626
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,480
 Okay.

627
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,480
 Good.

628
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,480
 That's something.

629
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,480
 Okay.

630
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,480
 Okay.

631
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,480
 Thank you.

632
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,480
 Sure.

633
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,480
 Before you step down, I'm going to follow that one up before we go on.

634
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,040
 And I just I want to make sure that I double down on that.

635
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:22,720
 I think we did Reeves and DHS backwards, and normally that would be fine if we're talking

636
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,520
 about a shopping center or something else where we kind of develop it in stages.

637
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:33,720
 But we don't have the luxury of having risk mitigation for children.

638
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:36,640
 Nobody's going to tolerate additional risk for children.

639
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,960
 And I think that's what you're hearing in Mr. Penn.

640
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:47,760
 And paint versus children's safety is everyone will budget paint.

641
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:56,600
 So I bet you we have unanimity on paint, striping, signs, cheap solutions like that to draw attention.

642
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,560
 Even if they're extra, even if they're redundant, if you can focus the attention on drivers

643
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:08,440
 around pedestrian children, I would like us, I'm being a little forceful here, I would

644
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:14,440
 like us to take those extra measures and recommend them to council or wherever.

645
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,680
 And I'll bring it up in matrix if that's what's needed, Ben.

646
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,840
 He said looking out of the corner of his eye.

647
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:31,040
 But does it matter who is responsible for the planning of the school and the mobility

648
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,040
 around it?

649
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,000
 I know it's a collaboration of DISD in the city, but we've got to get this right for

650
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,000
 the children.

651
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,520
 Children are foolish and do foolish things.

652
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,520
 Oh, absolutely.

653
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:47,560
 We are taking safety as the top priority as a process right now.

654
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,680
 So we will explore options and we are also working on giving the Bonneberry crossing

655
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,860
 a little extra time because it's a combo school, high school on the other side, and elementary

656
00:47:57,860 --> 00:47:59,800
 now open this year.

657
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,960
 So we will explore and we will follow up.

658
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:02,960
 I'd appreciate that.

659
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,760
 And I'll bring it back up on the matrix.

660
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,200
 Any, any, yes, go ahead.

661
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,860
 I'd like to comment on that.

662
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:12,760
 We have taken this, this whole area very seriously.

663
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,960
 I know our staff has spent a lot of time making sure that it is safe for our kiddos.

664
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,040
 We do not want anything to happen there, but also we have a lot of different constraints

665
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,320
 in that area.

666
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:33,280
 So we put the temporary sidewalk there knowing that there were there were kids walking.

667
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,240
 We pushed and pushed and pushed to get that done as quickly as possible.

668
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:44,600
 I know that Farhan, Chandra and Seth have spent a lot of time looking at that area and

669
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:50,240
 making sure it's not just a matter of we're not budgeting for the paint.

670
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:55,680
 And we are we are doing everything possible to make sure I mean there's there's an overall

671
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,860
 plan to make sure that those kiddos have a safe way to get to those schools.

672
00:49:00,860 --> 00:49:07,880
 Now unfortunately, some of the weather on the roadway hurt our timing, but Seth's team

673
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,220
 really pushed it.

674
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:15,180
 And so now we're waiting on some of those other activities to finish out before we complete

675
00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:17,600
 all of those overall improvements.

676
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,280
 But there are a lot of constraints in that area.

677
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,680
 And we especially do not want anything to happen to those kids.

678
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,060
 I don't want anyone to think that we're prioritizing striping over kids.

679
00:49:28,060 --> 00:49:29,200
 We are not.

680
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,360
 We are looking at it collectively as a whole area.

681
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,680
 I appreciate that comment and anything else before we move on to the next item?

682
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:39,680
 Please go ahead.

683
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,320
 To anyone, what does a temporary sidewalk look like?

684
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,400
 Leave it to Seth.

685
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,400
 Yeah great question.

686
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,760
 So in this case, it is going to be a five foot concrete sidewalk.

687
00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:00,360
 We're going to build it to where the current path is in front of the fences there.

688
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,360
 There's two properties on Hardaway Road, where with the Riding Road Project, we're actually

689
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,000
 going to move the fence lines.

690
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,880
 So it's going to be built in a place that ultimately it's going to be ripped out with

691
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,720
 the roadway construction.

692
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:15,920
 So in the sense of temporary, it's not in its permanent configuration.

693
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,520
 It's only going to be a short term sidewalk, but it will be a four or five foot concrete

694
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,240
 sidewalk.

695
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:27,280
 For the other piece, for Denton High School, what we did last year, we built a four foot

696
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,520
 wide asphalt trail, and that's what we used as a temporary sidewalk to allow students

697
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,920
 to get across Rainey Road and across Bonnie Bride towards the Denton High School.

698
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,920
 Okay.

699
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:39,920
 Okay.

700
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,920
 Thank you.

701
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,920
 Vice Chair, I just want to make one last comment.

702
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,200
 I live in the North Lakes neighborhood, and I recently talked with a lot of parents in

703
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,160
 that area, and that neighborhood right now is zoned for Reeves.

704
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:57,120
 The frustration is that yes, there's a lot of moving parts, but those things were not

705
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:04,360
 done in a way that families feel that they can even send their children to Reeves.

706
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:12,200
 There's a family that I spoke to that instead of sending their children to Reeves, they

707
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:18,600
 have pulled their children from Denton ISD because when they have one car, they cannot

708
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:25,240
 safely get to Windsor because we don't have a sidewalk that even would get them to any

709
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:30,680
 form of sidewalk or side path that would eventually get them to Reeves and the bus systems would

710
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,720
 not come and pick up the kids from my neighborhood.

711
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:40,300
 So there's kind of a whole, so it's just, it's difficult because we didn't have these

712
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:45,920
 things done in an order where families can even choose to send their kids to the public

713
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,560
 school that they're zoned for.

714
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:53,280
 They had intentionally not sent their kids to the school because of the limitations on

715
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,800
 safe mobility and a safe route to school for my neighborhood specifically.

716
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:07,920
 - Okay, well, I think we're trying to balance really hard the issues and I think this feedback

717
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:14,840
 is useful in terms of stressing some of the importance of these considerations.

718
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,720
 I appreciate everybody's comments.

719
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:18,720
 Next item.

720
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,800
 - Yeah, so next we're gonna cover the quarterly construction report.

721
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,360
 So I'm not gonna touch on all of these, but do wanna highlight a few updates.

722
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:31,120
 So Bonneberry 3, currently under construction, we've been coordinating closely with TxDOT.

723
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:36,600
 You may have seen we had a recent closure of FM 1515 as TxDOT completed their tie-in

724
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,480
 there at the service road.

725
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,840
 So we were able to get that open this last week in preparation for UNT's football game

726
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,040
 this Saturday.

727
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,920
 So hopefully we will be open through the remainder of the year as we continue finishing out the

728
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,460
 paving there.

729
00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:54,000
 We're still on track to be done Q4 of 2026.

730
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:01,880
 - Seth, that stops just shy of Walt Parker Boulevard or whatever it is.

731
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,120
 The last time I was there at least.

732
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,920
 Will that increase at all between now and Saturday?

733
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,400
 - So it will not increase between now and Saturday.

734
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,440
 So it's gonna be essentially that four lane section that you see that was built up to

735
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,680
 the first driveway.

736
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:23,160
 As we go throughout the year, we're trying to minimize the impact on the football season

737
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,920
 by working actively right there in front of the stadium.

738
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,080
 So we've actually dropped some crews back towards the railroad tracks.

739
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:34,240
 They're working in between Willowwood and Parvin Street getting that done.

740
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:38,960
 Once again, we'll still continue pushing forward construction in that area.

741
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,120
 In some phase, we've just coordinated with UNT to try and minimize it as much as possible.

742
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,520
 After football season, you'll see more traffic come back towards that side, construction

743
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,720
 traffic to get that tied in before next year's.

744
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:56,240
 - When would you, and what is done looks really, really nice.

745
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,720
 I'm really pleased with that.

746
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:05,760
 So when would Willowwood tie into that part of Bonnie Bray that's already done?

747
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:11,840
 - Yeah, so I would suspect before the end of next summer, we'll be complete.

748
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:17,900
 That's the goal, to have more open for the '26 football season.

749
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:21,800
 Really the last section we're gonna be working on is right there around the railroad tracks

750
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,600
 because there's so much railroad coordination.

751
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,240
 And that will be towards the end of the project, those last six months that take us to project

752
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:29,240
 completion.

753
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:30,240
 - Thank you.

754
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:31,240
 - You bet.

755
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:38,200
 - So before we get going, I did have one follow up to Councilor Holland, and that is we get

756
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,200
 a lot of feedback.

757
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:46,240
 I shouldn't speak for Councilor Holland, I get a lot of feedback of when we start a project

758
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:53,900
 and then idle because either a vendor or our team is trying to properly get to the kind

759
00:54:53,900 --> 00:55:00,400
 of quarterly ETA timelines that you have on the other exhibit.

760
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,760
 And it looks like nothing's, it's something started, but nothing's being done.

761
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,120
 And so if we could get some additional verbiage that we could get out into the community,

762
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:19,320
 because that's very disconcerting to the citizens that don't understand the process and timing,

763
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:25,080
 to see something dug up and then sit idle for six months and then get started all over

764
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,680
 again, that's very frustrating for them.

765
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:28,760
 - Yeah, no, absolutely.

766
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,420
 So we did put out some recent information last week in the Friday report that talked

767
00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:38,200
 about kind of the overall construction sequencing, but we can look to add some more narrative

768
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,220
 possibly to our Discuss Denton page that will have all those resources that you can point

769
00:55:42,220 --> 00:55:48,200
 people to that will give out gaps and when they may see contractors mobilize in, complete

770
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,960
 their work, mobilize out as we're waiting for other contractors to move in.

771
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,000
 So I think we can add some narrative to that.

772
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:01,240
 - And do we have standards for what state they leave an idle project in?

773
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:05,360
 I know we don't let it be open because they need to use the roadway for emergency reasons

774
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,440
 or just day-to-day life reasons.

775
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,400
 We try to put some sort of asphalt patch down or something.

776
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:18,880
 But is there cleanup or some other standards that we apply so that it's not an active construction

777
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,760
 zone when it's idle, unless it needs to be?

778
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,760
 - Yes, so we do have some different general notes within the plans and our specifications

779
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:31,800
 that talk to trash, dirt piles, different things that look like it's active construction,

780
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,320
 how it should be coned off.

781
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,400
 The biggest line of defense is our public works inspectors that are out there.

782
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,280
 They work with those contractors every day on those areas to make sure that we're keeping

783
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,520
 it neat and orderly.

784
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:47,400
 Again, it's still a construction zone that we don't wanna cause rework for the next contractor

785
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,140
 moving in.

786
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:54,360
 So a lot of that is done through regular communication with our inspection staff and the general

787
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,120
 superintendents or superintendents out on the job site.

788
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,360
 - Perfect, thank you.

789
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,360
 - You bet.

790
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:10,640
 - Would it be helpful, would it be necessary to indicate that this is a temporary thing,

791
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:17,280
 a temporary sidewalk, a temporary asphalt or something?

792
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:26,440
 - I hear frequently, the city paved it and then they tore it up, they, the city, doesn't

793
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,440
 know what they're doing.

794
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:33,120
 They paved it and then they tore it, you've heard that, you know what I mean?

795
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:40,520
 If we could just convey that thought to the citizens that no, no, no, we're not finished.

796
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:47,920
 I actually got a copy of an email that some ill-informed citizen got that the city was

797
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,760
 simply gonna give up on Bonnie Bray, it's just too hard.

798
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,760
 We quit.

799
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:53,760
 - Throw in the towel.

800
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,240
 - And absurd as that sounds, you know, we just quit.

801
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:02,280
 So I think that'd be handy if we could just indicate to people that driving all that,

802
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,200
 that this, that yeah, we're, this is, you could drive on it today, but we're gonna tear

803
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,200
 it up tomorrow.

804
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,200
 - Yeah, no, absolutely.

805
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,880
 We do put out several communications with residents as we go throughout the life cycle

806
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,540
 of a project.

807
00:58:13,540 --> 00:58:17,480
 One area that we kind of struggle is for the people who may not live on the project site

808
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:23,520
 or adjacent to the project site, but for those folks that are just driving through, again,

809
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,840
 without them going to our Discuss Denton page or watching one of these wonderful meetings,

810
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,680
 they may not get that information.

811
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,440
 So we'll see if we can come up with some proactive ways to get that messaging out there a little

812
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,440
 bit better.

813
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,440
 - Thank you.

814
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:36,440
 - Absolutely.

815
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,440
 Okay, just to touch on a few more.

816
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,440
 So Bonnie Bray 6, again, we prioritize Riney Road.

817
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,080
 They've been doing a lot of drainage infrastructure out there.

818
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:49,080
 Our plan is to pave those southbound lanes, so those future new build lanes.

819
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,960
 So you'll see those concrete crews start working on that on the southbound side.

820
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:59,000
 We'll get the majority of that in place before we start ripping up the northbound lanes,

821
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,080
 the existing current lanes.

822
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:10,360
 So again, active construction there, still on try to be done, Q127.

823
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,880
 So McKinney sidewalks, we were currently in at 90% design.

824
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,000
 We are going through right away acquisition for a couple different parcels.

825
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,520
 We had a lag there at the intersection of Woodrow and McKinney Street.

826
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,840
 We think we found a good workaround solution.

827
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:32,080
 Our goal is to have that bidding next month, and then we're to expedite construction as

828
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,320
 fast as possible pending those two parcel acquisitions.

829
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,840
 And then lastly, Hickory Creek 3.

830
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,160
 So I don't know if any of you have been out there recently.

831
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:46,280
 They are drilling a lot of drill shafts, so a lot of active bridge construction going

832
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,280
 on.

833
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,720
 Mario Sinicola is out there.

834
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,040
 We will have a few gas line agreements coming before council over the next couple months

835
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,120
 that are going to relocate some gas lines within the city's right of way.

836
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:03,080
 Other than that, we're still moving towards our Q4 2026 completion date.

837
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:07,720
 Otherwise, any questions, or I'm going to pass it to Farhan to cover these last few

838
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:08,720
 items.

839
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:09,720
 >> Okay.

840
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:10,720
 Any questions?

841
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:11,720
 No?

842
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:12,720
 All right.

843
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,720
 >> Thank you.

844
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:31,160
 >> Good morning, Farhan through Chandra under the bus.

845
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:39,280
 >> So we had from the previous meetings, they wanted to find out the guidelines for crosswalk

846
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,480
 stop yield to pedestrians, and crosswalk yield to pedestrians, the difference.

847
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:51,080
 So we outlined what's from METCD, and if you have any questions, I'll be glad to answer.

848
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,560
 >> Questions about this one?

849
01:00:52,560 --> 01:01:06,240
 >> How do we determine how are crosswalk needs determined, and is it required, is a crosswalk

850
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,200
 required to go from one ramp to the other?

851
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:15,840
 And if there is not a ramp, is that something that we ever go in and add so that we can

852
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,720
 actually have a safe crosswalk?

853
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:24,800
 I'm thinking maybe like at a T or at a mid point in a street.

854
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:31,000
 >> It varies from case by case request and heavy usage of the pedestrian environment.

855
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:36,480
 But usually on a mid blocks, we use crosswalk yields, and if you have to put in the crosswalk

856
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,960
 markings, then it needs to have ADA ramps on either side.

857
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,320
 Otherwise it will trigger an ADA investigation if you are putting a crosswalk, but it's not

858
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,280
 accommodating for all pedestrian use.

859
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,280
 >> Okay.

860
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:50,280
 Thank you.

861
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:55,920
 >> And at intersections, we use stop signs or crosswalk stop to pedestrians.

862
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,920
 >> Okay.

863
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:57,920
 Thank you.

864
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:58,920
 >> Sure.

865
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:06,000
 Mine is similar, but it's more on the markings themselves, not the proper design of the ramps

866
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:16,600
 and crosswalks, but I'll try to use examples like the one at North Lakes Rec where we're

867
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:21,640
 debating about how to move that hawk out and where to put the stop signs and markings,

868
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,520
 and I really do think we need some advance.

869
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,280
 Now I'm not a street engineer, but just driving that on a nearly daily basis, it is clear

870
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:38,240
 to me that drivers do not understand how they're supposed to operate in that zone.

871
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,240
 They just don't.

872
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:46,280
 They need way more, you know, in that case, treat us like seventh graders and give us

873
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:51,840
 a lot more signs, a lot more markings, a lot more expectation management, and I don't mean

874
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:56,240
 just because of the placement of the stop sign relative to the crosswalk.

875
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:03,000
 If you drive up and down Windsor, there's a number of places where okay, you know, schools

876
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:08,320
 are obvious, but other places where we're not, is there an opportunity to put more yield

877
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:15,720
 to pedestrian signs, put more advance markings, put more of the paint striping that tells

878
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,960
 you a crosswalk is coming?

879
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,280
 I forget the symbology we use on the roads for that one.

880
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,120
 You mean the inverted triangle?

881
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:33,280
 Yeah, okay, but many more visual references to, because this is both a semi-stroad, it's

882
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:43,280
 almost a, you know, it's a high use collector, but Windsor especially needs a lot of guidance

883
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:49,360
 to our, as traffic flows around in there and people try to cross, whether it's at Sherman,

884
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:55,440
 whether it's at Nottingham, whether it's at Fireside, you know, there's just places all

885
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,320
 over where clearly drivers don't know how to behave.

886
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:05,320
 Whether they live there or not doesn't really seem to be germane, and to the extent that

887
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:14,000
 we can get more helpful guidance for how drivers should behave, that would be desirable.

888
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:20,720
 So that's the good news, as of yesterday morning, we have moved the stop bar behind, and since

889
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:25,420
 the intersection with North Lake Spark at Windsor isn't always stopped, so we are moving

890
01:04:25,420 --> 01:04:31,600
 that beacons for advanced pedestrian to Windsor at Fireside, because we got a lot more requests

891
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:38,740
 to have some electronic devices to have more visual for pedestrian yielding.

892
01:04:38,740 --> 01:04:44,600
 So we're moving that equipment out, and we moved the stop bar behind the crosswalk, so

893
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,920
 if you drive around there later today, you might notice.

894
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:52,240
 >> Oh, I didn't go today because we were having this meeting, I appreciate that.

895
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,840
 Yeah, you have something on the yield signs?

896
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,880
 >> Well, we could talk about it offline if needed.

897
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,940
 That's great that we're moving that to Parkside, and I did see you now where the stop sign

898
01:05:04,940 --> 01:05:07,160
 is in front of the crosswalk.

899
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,240
 >> Yes.

900
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:16,640
 >> It's still incredibly frustrating that there is no safe passage from North Lake's

901
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:24,400
 neighborhood on Parkside to access either the park that is named after the neighborhood,

902
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,280
 or the rec center that's also named after the neighborhood.

903
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,800
 There's more people in the North Lake's neighborhood.

904
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:39,400
 >> If I may, we're getting into specifics, I know initially, I think it was made a reference

905
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,120
 to show an example of, I guess to express what you're talking about, but when we're

906
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:51,140
 getting into specifics, we're not posted for that, and I think the appropriate time may

907
01:05:51,140 --> 01:05:55,040
 be for the end to bring it back if you have a specific question.

908
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,560
 >> All right, appreciate that, Ben.

909
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,520
 Thank you for keeping us on the straight and narrow.

910
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:07,160
 I had a question on Evers, and if we start to verge into ask, then just holler at me,

911
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,160
 Ben.

912
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:14,540
 A lot of feedback on this one from the community in the region, and no feedback in the community

913
01:06:14,540 --> 01:06:15,540
 not in the region.

914
01:06:15,540 --> 01:06:21,640
 They are just generally for school safety, but the people that live along that block,

915
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,260
 they're not upset that we're trying to make it safer for the children.

916
01:06:25,260 --> 01:06:30,680
 They're upset that they now don't have any place to park because we've stripped that

917
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,540
 west side away from them.

918
01:06:33,540 --> 01:06:41,280
 Is there a middle ground for residents other than saying, hey, in the morning, go park

919
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:46,280
 your car somewhere else and then go back to bed or go back to your breakfast and then

920
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,280
 go to work?

921
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:57,040
 It feels like they're taking both sides of the street for no parking in order to affect

922
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,840
 pick up and drop off.

923
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,520
 It's useful because we want to, again, I said earlier, we want to protect the children at

924
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:11,280
 all costs, but the same token, now we're preventing parking on that west side, and is there some

925
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,640
 sort of hybrid, some sort of win-win we could get to on that?

926
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:21,700
 So basically, the request for no parking on the western side came about because parents

927
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:26,440
 are utilizing to pick up drop off and the kids are playing hide and seek during the

928
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:27,440
 pick up hours.

929
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,480
 Crossing guards could not manage, they are not there to manage traffic, they are to safely

930
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:36,920
 take them across the street, and based on the request, we had a public hearing.

931
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,920
 There were two residents who were opposed to that.

932
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:47,760
 We only had restriction between seven to eight and two to three in the afternoon during the

933
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:53,640
 school hours, school days, no restriction on the weekends or during summertime.

934
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:59,840
 But in that instance, one resident had five cars, and it's a public street, it's a privilege

935
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:06,640
 to park, unfortunately, if it's right next to a school and if it's meant for school safety

936
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:13,220
 and for the kids, we have to make this restriction, and we outlined the same issues in the public

937
01:08:13,220 --> 01:08:15,360
 meeting, but they weren't convinced.

938
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:24,160
 Unfortunately, there is no other alternative when the houses are adjoining a school area.

939
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:31,520
 Okay, you understand the difference, well, I don't want to get too into it, I will just

940
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,640
 make a comment and then I'll talk to you all after the meeting and we'll bring it back

941
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,120
 up in the matrix.

942
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:46,640
 The challenge is, the problem is being created by not residents of the region, the pick up

943
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:55,240
 and drop off parents who are parking for pick up and drop off, that's then impacting people

944
01:08:55,240 --> 01:09:02,980
 who actually live there, and it feels like we could come up with some sort of, I don't

945
01:09:02,980 --> 01:09:05,880
 know, pass, sticker, something.

946
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:13,120
 I don't know all the potential engineering solutions that would accommodate both needs

947
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,600
 at the same time.

948
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:19,200
 So that's just a comment, I will either bring it back up at the matrix or I'll bring it

949
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:24,240
 back up to you off line.

950
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:39,640
 Next item, Strauds.

951
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,760
 Farhan Bhatt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services.

952
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:58,040
 So in this case we staff provided detailed information on what elements could be included

953
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:06,280
 when it comes to addressing Strauds and how we can prevent the evolution of Strauds on

954
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:12,840
 cities, streets and roads, and if there are any questions, they are in exhibit four, and

955
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,320
 if there are any questions?

956
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:19,680
 Questions on Strauds for Dr. Bhatt.

957
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,400
 I do.

958
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:37,560
 Is there anything preventing the transportation services from putting these ideas and these

959
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:43,040
 design methods into practice?

960
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,040
 No.

961
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:49,500
 We are currently adopting them, including them into our processes, and continuously

962
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:59,200
 evaluating and making sure that we include them into our planning practice.

963
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:07,920
 For the past facilities that have evolved into Strauds due to developments, and we are

964
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:13,520
 also proactively looking into those and trying to ensure that if we can make any safeguards,

965
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,880
 we could do that.

966
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:23,800
 So would it be, I know we are also, as we also addressed with Vision Zero, I know there's

967
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:35,400
 seems like there's some overlap, would it be helpful to have a specific policy or requirement

968
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:45,040
 or I guess a way to say if we're building a new road, these things that you've outlined

969
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:56,520
 here are must be included based on our desire as a city to have places for people to walk,

970
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:02,040
 places for people to access, like you said, people-centered design.

971
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:11,420
 Would it be helpful to have something in place such as a policy that would stand for anyone

972
01:12:11,420 --> 01:12:16,760
 moving forward as we continue, that we make sure these things are happening as we build

973
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,600
 new roads or as we evaluate roads that are already there?

974
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,640
 So we have two documents to reference to.

975
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,040
 One is comprehensive plan.

976
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:31,040
 That starts the story of how city will play on planning practice or engineering practice

977
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,040
 as well.

978
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:33,640
 That tells overall picture.

979
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:39,160
 And then we have a mobility plan in particular that drives all these standards and rules

980
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:45,040
 and that provides information on how things would be done as part of the overall process,

981
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,040
 larger process.

982
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:52,980
 Then we go further down to active transportation element of the mobility plan that further

983
01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:54,160
 defines it.

984
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,280
 And then finally, so these are the two documents.

985
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:03,880
 And then finally what we rely on, transportation criteria manual and development code as well.

986
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:12,720
 So mobility plan is planned, we are planning to update it starting 2026, I think that we

987
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,600
 will start the process for that.

988
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,760
 And then of course, that will be an opportunity where we will review and improve things, not

989
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:26,140
 only from Strode's perspective, but overall from many aspects of planning.

990
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:28,840
 So that's great.

991
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:37,520
 Do you have anything set up right now that would help you, I guess, determine, for example,

992
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:44,640
 you talk about kind of like piloting a project where you may try some inexpensive, even temporary

993
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,600
 measures to see if they work.

994
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:47,600
 Do we have any?

995
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:48,600
 Actually, hold on.

996
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:49,600
 Sorry.

997
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:50,600
 Hold on.

998
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:51,600
 Am I getting too far?

999
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:52,600
 No, you're good.

1000
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:53,600
 There's nothing you're doing wrong.

1001
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,600
 We just drop below quorum.

1002
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:55,600
 And so Ben, we're okay.

1003
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,600
 All right.

1004
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,120
 Go ahead.

1005
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,120
 Okay.

1006
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:09,760
 Do we have anything in place that would help us find those intersections or those areas

1007
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:16,880
 to start piloting some of these implementation ideas that you've laid out for us?

1008
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:22,600
 So the current process, as you highlighted Vision Zero, we have identified 11 corridors

1009
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:23,600
 in that.

1010
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:28,400
 In the next report, this report was almost done when we had this final information from

1011
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,460
 our last task force meeting.

1012
01:14:30,460 --> 01:14:31,920
 It was presented there.

1013
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:36,200
 So we will include that in our next transportation services report.

1014
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:42,800
 We have identified 11 corridors based on fatalities, walkability, and also serious injuries.

1015
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:49,240
 And those will be the corridors in City of Denton, which where we will focus for improvements.

1016
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:54,960
 And when it comes to short-term improvements, but again, we'll have to rely on the planning

1017
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:55,960
 documents.

1018
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:05,680
 We will pivot all our decisions regarding planning practice applications on mobility

1019
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,880
 plan and planning documents and our transportation criteria manual.

1020
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,120
 This works in combination of ways.

1021
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:16,440
 When the developments are coming, we ensure through our development review process that

1022
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:21,000
 the walkability is covered, bike lanes are covered, all those aspects are covered.

1023
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,800
 We even look at traffic operation side of things when it comes to new developments.

1024
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:31,080
 When it comes to city, existing city streets, we have an ongoing process and we are through

1025
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,080
 our work plan.

1026
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,120
 For instance, we have sidewalk work plan.

1027
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,320
 We are through work plan, we are addressing those one by one.

1028
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,000
 And ADA transition plan is as well.

1029
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:44,640
 As a matter of fact, in the report that you, the implementations that we have provided

1030
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:51,240
 with before and after pictures, we are tying them to ADA transition plan now.

1031
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,440
 As we speak, we are, staff is working on that and we are tying how many of those barriers

1032
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:56,440
 are removed.

1033
01:15:56,440 --> 01:16:02,840
 So it's a continuous process and, but overall process will be, will be part of the mobility

1034
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:03,840
 plan update.

1035
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:04,840
 Okay.

1036
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:05,840
 Thank you.

1037
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:15,480
 All right, the, a couple, let me pick up from there and right from there because as you

1038
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:19,960
 were rightfully saying, the development code, which is not necessarily under your purview,

1039
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:27,240
 it's a different department, but is quintessential for you developing an effective mobility plan

1040
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:32,720
 and so they have to work hand in glove to augment each other so that you can get to

1041
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,320
 these kinds of things.

1042
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:44,640
 So it might be, you, you said that the, we're, we're adjusting mobility plan in next year,

1043
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,320
 we're starting to do that adjustment next, next year?

1044
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,480
 We'll launch the initiative, the update, plan update.

1045
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:51,480
 Okay.

1046
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:55,160
 It will be completed within a few months, I think at least six, eight months.

1047
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,840
 Yeah, no, it, it takes a while to do it.

1048
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:58,840
 Yeah.

1049
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:05,200
 But I think, you know, yeah, to the extent that the two, all the relevant committees

1050
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:12,080
 can be updated on that one, that would be lovely.

1051
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,940
 Just because I think you're, you know, if you have mobility needs, but the development

1052
01:17:16,940 --> 01:17:23,060
 code isn't matching them and vice versa, then we're out of sync and, and we will reinforce

1053
01:17:23,060 --> 01:17:27,560
 what we're doing now instead of what we need to do if we don't sync up properly.

1054
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,640
 That's, that's more of a comment.

1055
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:35,040
 So help the committees help you is, is I guess my general comment.

1056
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:40,680
 I did have a question and maybe you brought it up and I just didn't see it.

1057
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:41,680
 So please correct me.

1058
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:47,360
 But I know that a lot of road design is hierarchical.

1059
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:52,680
 We're going from, from, you know, smaller to larger to larger to larger to try and have

1060
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:59,000
 a tree line hierarchical structure, except that everything I'm reading and, but you're

1061
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,000
 the expert.

1062
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,760
 So please correct me if I'm wrong.

1063
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:07,800
 Seems to suggest that this, this is what leads to strode's because we now have these hierarchical

1064
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:13,160
 networks that are running through these other areas and it might be better to have less

1065
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:19,800
 hierarchical networks and more duplication of smaller scale.

1066
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:26,080
 So instead of having fewer big roads, more duplication of, or more routes that involve

1067
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:32,320
 middle and smaller roads so that we, we don't create strode's.

1068
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,800
 So is that, am I interpreting that correctly and is that accurate?

1069
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:37,800
 Yeah.

1070
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:45,160
 So the easiest way to interpret it is that we have to go towards high density land uses.

1071
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,760
 And then what happens is that if we are building a road from A to B, we are building a road

1072
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:50,760
 not a street.

1073
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:56,680
 So road is the one that go from destination A to destination B, which is at a longer distance.

1074
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:01,200
 And over time, over the course of 25 years, and that's where the demographics data part

1075
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:02,200
 comes.

1076
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:09,000
 That if we plan without NCTCOGS demographic data in mind, and we just plan without considering

1077
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,960
 that data set, that what that data set is telling that there'll be growth, there'll

1078
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,040
 be employments in these areas according to their forecast.

1079
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:21,520
 If we do that, then what happens that we plan a road that over time would become a strode

1080
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,720
 because there are developments popping in, popping up.

1081
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:31,080
 And in that, those developments will pop up because the density is acting in whatever

1082
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,420
 land use planning way we are deciding.

1083
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:39,980
 So I think land use drive how streets or roads will function.

1084
01:19:39,980 --> 01:19:46,560
 If we change the land use as we bring a big employer right in the middle of a road from

1085
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,000
 A to B, the characteristic will change.

1086
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,840
 Then many markets will start popping up, strip malls will start popping up, restaurants will

1087
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,280
 open up to serve those jobs, and there you go.

1088
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,900
 So the chain reaction starts.

1089
01:19:58,900 --> 01:20:08,000
 So I think densities with high accessibility to use cases of land use is the correct answer

1090
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,000
 for that.

1091
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,240
 I appreciate that clarity.

1092
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,760
 Thank you for helping my understanding.

1093
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:13,760
 Other questions?

1094
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:14,760
 No.

1095
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:15,760
 All right.

1096
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,920
 Well, then let's see.

1097
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:25,400
 The next item is the transportation report, I guess.

1098
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:26,720
 Yes.

1099
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,520
 Did you have any lead in or are you just going to throw it to questions?

1100
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:31,520
 Throw it to questions?

1101
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,520
 Yes.

1102
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:39,680
 The report covered all aspects of transportation services from September -- from October 2024

1103
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:49,440
 to July, and of 2025, it's fiscal year 2024-25 report.

1104
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:55,920
 I just want to jump off the bat and say I really -- 200 pages, it's really clear that

1105
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:56,920
 your team has done a lot.

1106
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,600
 I appreciate the executive summary where you've listed all the things.

1107
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:08,360
 I especially see you're really strong on grant funding since you, Dr. Budd, have come on

1108
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,400
 board and been very focused on that.

1109
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:16,080
 I really appreciate that we've had opportunities that we haven't had in the past.

1110
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,480
 So I love that.

1111
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:24,120
 One of the things that might help me that it was a little challenging to go through

1112
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:29,760
 the report is maybe in the executive summary, sort of more of the strategic one, five and

1113
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,240
 10 year goals or whatever time frame you're organizing them on so that I can understand

1114
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:41,280
 as those change, you know, you listed accomplishments, well done, lots of great accomplishments.

1115
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:46,880
 It was hard for me to grab onto the through line of this is -- I'm trying to accomplish

1116
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,480
 this with these goals and here's the 12 things that I did that.

1117
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:56,720
 So maybe a little middle layer of what are the plannings.

1118
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:02,160
 I think that would help both at this committee and the council, just because you're doing

1119
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,240
 so much that I've got to keep track of it all.

1120
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:10,160
 So we'll tie them to comprehensive plan and mobility plan, goals and policies.

1121
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,160
 Would that -- Probably.

1122
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:13,160
 Probably that would help a lot.

1123
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:14,160
 We will do that.

1124
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:15,160
 Staff will do that.

1125
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,160
 That would be amazing.

1126
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,760
 And that way we can help you with, again, it's like what I said earlier, help us to

1127
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,000
 help you.

1128
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,000
 So other comments on this?

1129
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,900
 I will say before I pass it completely off, I'm still fully digesting it.

1130
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:30,280
 There's almost 300 pages of material.

1131
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,160
 I'm not complaining about that.

1132
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:35,160
 I love having more material.

1133
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:36,920
 It just takes longer to digest.

1134
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,880
 So other comments?

1135
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,200
 Go ahead.

1136
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:46,960
 I would love to discuss the report further.

1137
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:52,680
 What would we recommend if there's items in the report that we would like to hear more

1138
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:53,680
 about?

1139
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:59,000
 Would the recommendation be that I request those to be added to the agenda for a follow-up

1140
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,680
 discussion?

1141
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:06,720
 I think based on comments earlier, if you want an in-depth report, Ben and Farhan, correct

1142
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:11,360
 me, or Cassie, where they need to do additional work, probably yes.

1143
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:18,120
 If you just have some quick questions on some items, we could probably address some of those

1144
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:19,120
 now.

1145
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,120
 Okay.

1146
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:26,160
 Just one quick question that is mentioned on the report is the school crossing guard

1147
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,880
 program that was recently taken over by transportation.

1148
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,400
 I believe previously it was under DISD.

1149
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:34,400
 No?

1150
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:35,400
 It was not.

1151
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:36,400
 Sorry.

1152
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,040
 I didn't mean to muddy the water.

1153
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,040
 No.

1154
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:43,720
 The crossing guards were previously managed by the police department for the city of Denton.

1155
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:48,240
 It's just moved under a different department for management.

1156
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,060
 Okay.

1157
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:56,680
 I guess one question in regards to the crossing guards.

1158
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:04,120
 Does the transportation services, do we currently have the budget and the staff capacity to

1159
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:10,320
 fully manage at all of the locations that you have determined?

1160
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:11,320
 We need people there.

1161
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:12,320
 Yes, we do.

1162
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,320
 Are we covered right now?

1163
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:14,320
 Yes, we do.

1164
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,440
 Our city leadership has been very, very cooperative on that and they have been helping us.

1165
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:21,440
 Thank you for that.

1166
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:22,440
 Okay.

1167
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:25,440
 Good.

1168
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:33,640
 I guess beyond the staffing, beyond having people there, are there other ways that I

1169
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:39,840
 guess we can support making sure that we've got the quality people and that they have

1170
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:45,840
 everything that they need and that the families in the area know what to do when those people

1171
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,400
 are in place?

1172
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:54,000
 This process is fairly new and as it is new, we are trying to digest the information as

1173
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,160
 staff and we are trying to understand the process.

1174
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:04,080
 Our foremost and top priority right now is to provide coverage to all schools and ensure

1175
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:08,840
 that we have a stable season within a few weeks.

1176
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:14,080
 Once that is streamlined, then we will open up under city leadership's directions, we

1177
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:20,120
 will open up for further improvements or process improvements, but for now, staff is trying

1178
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:25,680
 to ensure that we have full coverage and we are taking care of all the immediate needs.

1179
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:26,680
 Okay.

1180
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:27,680
 That's great.

1181
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:28,680
 Thank you so much.

1182
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:29,680
 I think it's a positive update.

1183
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,680
 Thank you very much.

1184
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:38,000
 Other comments, concerns, any ... Well, and if it's big, like I said, we'll bring it up

1185
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,280
 here in a second when we get to the matrix.

1186
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,280
 No?

1187
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:43,280
 Okay.

1188
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,280
 Vice Chair.

1189
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:45,280
 Yes.

1190
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,960
 Can I just take a minute to recognize our transportation services staff for doing a

1191
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:55,320
 phenomenal job on the ADA updates at Oak and Austin Street.

1192
01:25:55,320 --> 01:26:01,480
 The improvements look fantastic and I think it's really going to make a lot of improvements

1193
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:02,960
 around our downtown squared.

1194
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:03,960
 Well done.

1195
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,440
 Appreciate that.

1196
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:10,460
 And that's the whole team, it's working together, including traffic operations and transportation

1197
01:26:10,460 --> 01:26:13,640
 services and our contractor as well.

1198
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:20,040
 We get so focused on what's the next deliverable that we forget when we've delivered on a deliverable,

1199
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,520
 so I appreciate you bringing that up.

1200
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,840
 We need to tout our own accomplishments at times.

1201
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,020
 Okay.

1202
01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:36,200
 So going on to ... Okay.

1203
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,400
 Is future items in this one or the next item?

1204
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:40,400
 Okay.

1205
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:46,960
 So then we'll close item C out and we'll move on to item D, MC25041, receive a report, hold

1206
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:51,400
 discussion and give staff direction regarding future meeting topics.

1207
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,640
 All right.

1208
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:59,200
 So as you can see here, we are proposing to remove five different topics off of the future

1209
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:00,200
 items matrix.

1210
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:06,320
 So that's item four, understanding strode, item six, the city of Denton bus recommendations,

1211
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:12,000
 the guidelines for the crosswalk stop and yield signs, parking in Evers Parkway area

1212
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,280
 and then the Reeves Elementary item.

1213
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,760
 If y'all are good with that, we can entertain a motion to remove those five items from the

1214
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:20,760
 matrix.

1215
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,760
 So moved.

1216
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:22,760
 Okay.

1217
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:23,760
 Is there a second?

1218
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:24,760
 Second.

1219
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:25,760
 Okay.

1220
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:32,720
 So that's the second discussion and I'm going to lead off on the discussion.

1221
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:37,960
 I would ask that we not, because there was a bunch of items that came up in the discussion

1222
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:47,100
 about buses and getting back, you know, transit 2.0, bus stops, bus fares.

1223
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:53,120
 So I'm not sure whether that needs to be a separate item or we could remove this one

1224
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:54,120
 now.

1225
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,760
 I'll leave that up to staff before we vote on the motion on the floor.

1226
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,760
 Can I make a suggestion?

1227
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:00,760
 Sure.

1228
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:05,840
 I would suggest we remove the item and we can bring it back for those particular questions

1229
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,360
 that were brought up during the presentation.

1230
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,640
 We'll put it as an update in the memo if the committee is okay with that.

1231
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,680
 So amend that one.

1232
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:14,680
 Okay.

1233
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:24,240
 And then I also, well, I hadn't brought anything up to folks on, about Evers, but I do want

1234
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:28,440
 to, I think we do need to have additional discussion about some that.

1235
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:32,840
 So again, I would take recommendation from staff, whether that is a separate item or

1236
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,800
 whether that's pulled that one as well.

1237
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:43,320
 We can leave that item on if you have additional discussion that needs to be added.

1238
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:51,760
 I'm going to ask the motioner for a friendly amendment to remove buses and remove Evers,

1239
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,400
 but keep the rest of your motion.

1240
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,400
 That's fine.

1241
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:55,400
 That's fine.

1242
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:56,400
 Is that okay with you?

1243
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,040
 And do you continue to second that?

1244
01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:59,040
 All right.

1245
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:05,800
 So we have a motion to keep all the yeses except for buses and Evers all in favor.

1246
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,920
 Aye.

1247
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:12,760
 Our vice chair is also an aye, so that's four zero.

1248
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:18,480
 And now additional items to add to the matrix.

1249
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:20,440
 And like I said, I listed some of them.

1250
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:28,440
 What I heard in our conversation was transit 2.0 reporting, bus stop reporting, bus fares.

1251
01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:40,360
 I heard about specifications and feedback on idle street conditions, parkside crosswalks,

1252
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:45,120
 Evers parking and buses, that's what I made note of.

1253
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:52,560
 Do we need a real time update on Bonnie Bray as it progresses?

1254
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,480
 Is that necessary?

1255
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:59,380
 So we provide those updates quarterly as part of the quarterly construction report.

1256
01:29:59,380 --> 01:30:04,480
 If you're okay with that, we can continue quarterly for Bonnie Bray three and six.

1257
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:10,120
 That's just such a vital project and it's a forever project it seems, but that's fine.

1258
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:11,120
 Okay.

1259
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,920
 It's longer than Robinwood, isn't it Seth?

1260
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:14,920
 Almost.

1261
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:15,920
 Wow.

1262
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:16,920
 I won't take that one personal.

1263
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:17,920
 That's so mean.

1264
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,120
 I took some hate on Robinwood this morning, by the way.

1265
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:22,120
 We're almost done.

1266
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:23,120
 Yeah.

1267
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,120
 We're almost there.

1268
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,880
 Are there other things that you want to bring to the matrix or if you don't want any of

1269
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,820
 the things that I said earlier?

1270
01:30:29,820 --> 01:30:31,400
 I have a few.

1271
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,200
 Go ahead.

1272
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:46,360
 Could we discuss based on the report and based off of the memo about Strode's that Farhan

1273
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:54,720
 provided and the additional information that he provided, could we discuss adopting essentially

1274
01:30:54,720 --> 01:31:05,280
 a Complete Streets policy with intention to then bring that

1275
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:06,280
 to council?

1276
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:11,320
 Cassie or Steph, I thought Complete Streets was our policy.

1277
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,320
 Yes.

1278
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,960
 It is already our policy as part of the mobility plan.

1279
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:15,960
 It is.

1280
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:16,960
 Okay.

1281
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:17,960
 Okay.

1282
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:26,400
 I'm just wondering some of the more specific things that were outlined.

1283
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:37,720
 I'm wondering if those need to be, I don't know, made more in stone or more in like this

1284
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,560
 is now required or these are the things that, but if you say it's already in the mobility

1285
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,200
 plan that's already been, okay.

1286
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:54,200
 In the report, there is a section about parking, whether we change some of our parking policies

1287
01:31:54,200 --> 01:32:02,840
 as well as the use of the monitors around the square.

1288
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,840
 Is that something that we need to add to the agenda in order to discuss further and if

1289
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,960
 we're ready to move forward with that plan?

1290
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,800
 We do have the citywide parking study that's being conducted.

1291
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:19,240
 The downtown parking study was conducted first as part of the design downtown master plan

1292
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:23,120
 initiative and so we are conducting a citywide parking study that will come back to this

1293
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:28,440
 committee with its overall recommendations that you can see it's number one on the future

1294
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:35,800
 items list and so we will have that coming back to the committee already when it's complete.

1295
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:43,840
 It's not complete yet.

1296
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:44,840
 You still have the floor.

1297
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:45,840
 Yeah, I know.

1298
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:46,840
 I'm sorry.

1299
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:53,840
 It was a lot to look through and I'm trying to think back if there's anything else in

1300
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:54,840
 it.

1301
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:55,840
 I can't think of anything else right now.

1302
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:56,840
 Staff is very good.

1303
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:57,840
 To come back next time.

1304
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:02,360
 We're going to meet again in a month ish, I think, no, September 24th.

1305
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:11,240
 So we can all digest this large transportation services report and staff is really good about

1306
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,640
 letting us stick things on the matrix.

1307
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:21,320
 So I think there's an opportunity and if you have concerns beforehand, I would say in this

1308
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:28,040
 case reach out to Cassie or Scott as our point of contact representatives and they can preemptively

1309
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:34,080
 get things on the matrix as needed.

1310
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:35,080
 Okay.

1311
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,080
 Great.

1312
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,080
 Okay.

1313
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:41,600
 So anything else while we're thinking about while we're in the matrix, I'm not no.

1314
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:42,600
 Yes.

1315
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:43,600
 No.

1316
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:44,600
 Okay.

1317
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:51,000
 Then we'll go on to we'll close that we'll go on to item three concluding items any concluding

1318
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:56,640
 items please.

1319
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:02,600
 I feel it's such a big breath you made to feel it's incumbent upon me to thank the committee

1320
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:08,920
 for their support of my removing the back end parking on East Hickory Street.

1321
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:15,000
 I voted in council to not support that because of the overwhelming cost of that.

1322
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,280
 I still think it's a good project.

1323
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:22,840
 But in light of in light of the economic situation, I just didn't think that this was the right

1324
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:28,920
 time and I wanted to explain why I why I did not support my own motion.

1325
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,800
 Thank you.

1326
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:37,080
 I think I probably came to a similar conclusion after after we talked about it.

1327
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:40,080
 I had to hold my nose, but that's that's what I felt.

1328
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:48,640
 I felt that was the right thing to do under the circumstances of other concluding items.

1329
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,800
 We sort of did some with the I didn't.

1330
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:57,040
 I know you all had council or commissioners.

1331
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:03,160
 I'm trying to elect you to a position I didn't get to greet her last time I did that at the

1332
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:12,040
 opening Commissioner Ziegel and then we praised staff on the transit report.

1333
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:15,240
 Any other comments before we close out the meeting?

1334
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:21,720
 I will say that as I said earlier, the next meeting is September 24.

1335
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:28,160
 I think everyone I believe has indicated they will be around but staff will certainly update

1336
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,680
 us if there's any changes to that any issues with quorum or anything they're really good

1337
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:34,540
 about that.

1338
01:35:34,540 --> 01:35:38,680
 So with that at 1135 I will close out the meeting.