WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.380 - All right, good morning, everyone. 00:00:05.380 --> 00:00:10.640 We are here at the Mobility Committee, Wednesday, July the 30th, 10 a.m. 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:13.220 We're here in the Council Work Session Room. 00:00:13.220 --> 00:00:17.100 A quorum is present, so we'll get started. 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:21.100 Do we have any citizens' comments on the agenda items? 00:00:21.100 --> 00:00:24.520 All right, no citizens' comments. 00:00:24.520 --> 00:00:28.940 We'll move down here to number two, items for individual consideration. 00:00:28.940 --> 00:00:39.860 AMC 25-030, consider approval of the minutes of June 25th, 2025. 00:00:39.860 --> 00:00:43.060 We'll get a motion for approval of the minutes. 00:00:43.060 --> 00:00:44.060 - I so move. 00:00:44.060 --> 00:00:45.060 - Give me a second. 00:00:45.060 --> 00:00:48.060 All right, I'll second. 00:00:48.060 --> 00:00:51.120 So did you get a chance? 00:00:51.120 --> 00:00:53.560 You've been here since then, right? 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:58.880 Ms. Jane is new on our committee here. 00:00:58.880 --> 00:00:59.900 So all in favor? 00:00:59.900 --> 00:01:00.900 - Aye. 00:01:00.900 --> 00:01:01.900 - Aye. 00:01:01.900 --> 00:01:02.900 Okay. 00:01:02.900 --> 00:01:10.300 So we'll move to BMC 25-031, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of 00:01:10.300 --> 00:01:15.400 Denton Transportation Mobility Project status report. 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.340 Try to squeeze it in in 30 minutes. 00:01:18.340 --> 00:01:19.340 That's what they said. 00:01:19.340 --> 00:01:20.340 - Don't ask any questions. 00:01:20.340 --> 00:01:21.340 - That's what they said on the paper. 00:01:21.340 --> 00:01:34.980 All right, so we are going to be talking about various projects on this report. 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:41.380 Right now, the total of those projects that we are going to be talking about is just a 00:01:41.380 --> 00:01:45.020 bit over $5 billion in total. 00:01:45.020 --> 00:01:50.080 There is a glossary at the end of your report, if you have it, that tells you what I mean 00:01:50.080 --> 00:01:54.540 when I say words that you don't understand because it's a whole new language for transportation. 00:01:54.540 --> 00:02:02.780 The I-35 North project goes from 77 in the south all the way north to the county line. 00:02:02.780 --> 00:02:07.280 The yellow main thing on this project is the yellow section has now been broken up into 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.180 three different CSJs. 00:02:10.180 --> 00:02:14.620 It was roughly $550 million in total. 00:02:14.620 --> 00:02:22.540 The highway commission decided that the last couple of times they put out projects over 00:02:22.540 --> 00:02:27.340 $250 million, they got fewer bidders and less competition. 00:02:27.340 --> 00:02:34.500 So they broke this project into about $150 million increments to entice smaller companies 00:02:34.500 --> 00:02:37.180 to bid on them. 00:02:37.180 --> 00:02:42.900 And that required us to redo the plan sets to make it into three sets instead of one, 00:02:42.900 --> 00:02:48.980 which pushed out our lets for those projects into the 28, 29 timeframe. 00:02:48.980 --> 00:02:55.620 But the funding is still fully there at the $801 million in those different categories. 00:02:55.620 --> 00:02:58.340 Category four is connectivity. 00:02:58.340 --> 00:03:02.660 Category 11 is intersections. 00:03:02.660 --> 00:03:06.620 And then category 12 is commission, the highway commission, the Texas Highway Commission. 00:03:06.620 --> 00:03:08.780 They select those fundings where they go. 00:03:08.780 --> 00:03:09.780 All right. 00:03:09.780 --> 00:03:12.460 Can I ask you one question? 00:03:12.460 --> 00:03:13.460 Absolutely. 00:03:13.460 --> 00:03:15.940 It's just a question. 00:03:15.940 --> 00:03:20.860 Will you please describe, when you use the term let, because we have a new member, a 00:03:20.860 --> 00:03:25.340 couple of new members, and I believe he's been in front of you yet before. 00:03:25.340 --> 00:03:26.340 I don't think so. 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:27.340 This is your first time? 00:03:27.340 --> 00:03:29.380 I don't let him come very often anymore. 00:03:29.380 --> 00:03:30.380 Okay. 00:03:30.380 --> 00:03:31.380 What? 00:03:31.380 --> 00:03:34.380 I mean, you know. 00:03:34.380 --> 00:03:36.100 Can you describe what let means? 00:03:36.100 --> 00:03:38.780 Because we're going to be hearing that a lot as we go through this presentation. 00:03:38.780 --> 00:03:46.180 So the let date is when they actually put this document on the street for a contractor to 00:03:46.180 --> 00:03:47.180 bid. 00:03:47.180 --> 00:03:53.980 The ready to let date is when the schematic has been approved, the environmental assessment 00:03:53.980 --> 00:03:58.820 has been cleared, the right of way is acquired, and the utilities are relocated. 00:03:58.820 --> 00:04:04.140 And if you'll look, there are dates that range for these CSJs, which is when you hear CSJ, 00:04:04.140 --> 00:04:06.660 it's like a social security number for a project. 00:04:06.660 --> 00:04:13.700 So just like we have numbers that track us in the world, these projects have numbers 00:04:13.700 --> 00:04:15.940 that track them in the world. 00:04:15.940 --> 00:04:20.900 So the utilities are down here, and everything on the report, when you look at the report, 00:04:20.900 --> 00:04:25.300 anything that's yellow is different from the report you saw last month. 00:04:25.300 --> 00:04:31.700 So you don't have to try to figure out what changed when you were using your little hieroglyphic 00:04:31.700 --> 00:04:35.780 calamity jane decoder ring, you'll just see it when you see it. 00:04:35.780 --> 00:04:38.740 And it's broken out by CSJs. 00:04:38.740 --> 00:04:44.700 And when these are all done and moved, and after the project's been cleared, right of 00:04:44.700 --> 00:04:49.860 way is acquired, utilities are relocated, that makes the project ready to let. 00:04:49.860 --> 00:04:54.940 So any time after these dates, the project can go to construction if you have the construction 00:04:54.940 --> 00:04:55.940 funding. 00:04:55.940 --> 00:04:59.740 And if the project on your report has money in the construction funding category, that 00:04:59.740 --> 00:05:01.300 means it does have funding. 00:05:01.300 --> 00:05:06.180 If there's an asterisk or to be determined, that means it isn't. 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:13.180 And that means that that project that we're clearing, designing and right of way relocation 00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:17.660 and utility relocation, we're doing it in what I call faith-based engineering, you're 00:05:17.660 --> 00:05:21.700 getting it ready, assuming that by the time it's ready, the funding will be available. 00:05:21.700 --> 00:05:37.820 Nice to meet you, Lauren. 00:05:37.820 --> 00:05:40.260 You were talking about the funding. 00:05:40.260 --> 00:05:45.860 Can you help remind us where that funding has come from so that we can do these really 00:05:45.860 --> 00:05:46.860 big projects? 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:47.860 Correct. 00:05:47.860 --> 00:05:52.020 So basically it's state and federal funding. 00:05:52.020 --> 00:05:59.460 So when you pay a diagallon of gas, 38 cents comes into the gas tax revenue, 18 cents goes 00:05:59.460 --> 00:06:03.140 to the feds, 20 cents goes to the state, but the state uses the majority of that money 00:06:03.140 --> 00:06:07.640 to be the local match to the feds for their federal dollars. 00:06:07.640 --> 00:06:12.900 And so these categories that you'll see, they're also in the back of the report, those are 00:06:12.900 --> 00:06:16.120 the only categories there are for funding for on-system projects. 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.940 So category two is federal dollars. 00:06:19.940 --> 00:06:23.380 Category four is state dollars completely. 00:06:23.380 --> 00:06:28.020 Category 11 and 12 are state dollars completely. 00:06:28.020 --> 00:06:34.660 And so category five and seven, which are your air quality, because we're in a non-attainment, 00:06:34.660 --> 00:06:35.980 those are federal dollars. 00:06:35.980 --> 00:06:43.260 And then your surface transportation block grant funds, which is the CAT7, are federal 00:06:43.260 --> 00:06:47.860 dollars that can be used both on a state highway and on a local street as long as the local 00:06:47.860 --> 00:06:56.860 street is large enough to be considered a functionally classified state, a federal facility. 00:06:56.860 --> 00:07:00.060 So the category in the back tells you what they are. 00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:01.060 Okay. 00:07:01.060 --> 00:07:02.060 Thank you. 00:07:02.060 --> 00:07:04.540 But it all comes from the state or the feds or the county. 00:07:04.540 --> 00:07:05.540 Good. 00:07:05.540 --> 00:07:06.540 Thanks. 00:07:06.540 --> 00:07:07.540 Yes, sir? 00:07:07.540 --> 00:07:10.460 Madam Chair, maybe it might be helpful. 00:07:10.460 --> 00:07:17.660 John Polster is with Innovative Transportation Solutions and maybe, well, he's our consultant. 00:07:17.660 --> 00:07:21.740 So if, John, you want to give a little background on really kind of who you are, some introductions 00:07:21.740 --> 00:07:26.980 might be helpful for everyone, and that way this might make a little bit more sense. 00:07:26.980 --> 00:07:29.780 I'm totally not objecting to that. 00:07:29.780 --> 00:07:30.780 Okay. 00:07:30.780 --> 00:07:35.780 So I, my name is John Polster, I work with Innovative Transportation Solutions. 00:07:35.780 --> 00:07:40.740 We are a consultant that's worked for the city for a couple of decades at least. 00:07:40.740 --> 00:07:47.100 And our job is to help the city regulate and get through the state highway process for 00:07:47.100 --> 00:07:49.180 getting projects done. 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:54.020 And the reason that's important to a city, they're not, those aren't the responsibility 00:07:54.020 --> 00:08:00.900 of the city, but almost 80% of the traffic that moves around the city moves on state 00:08:00.900 --> 00:08:02.300 roads. 00:08:02.300 --> 00:08:07.280 So as goes the state road, so goes the quality of life in the city. 00:08:07.280 --> 00:08:14.980 So the city has retained our services for over the years to not only tell you what's 00:08:14.980 --> 00:08:23.060 going on, but also to effectively assert the city's desires into those projects and those 00:08:23.060 --> 00:08:28.780 timelines so that the projects get done as timely as possible and is consistent with 00:08:28.780 --> 00:08:32.540 what the city's hopes, desires, and dreams are. 00:08:32.540 --> 00:08:35.380 Does that work? 00:08:35.380 --> 00:08:42.100 And these people are very good about having those public conversations about what's going 00:08:42.100 --> 00:08:43.340 on. 00:08:43.340 --> 00:08:50.740 I think that we as a community could stand to be more interested, you know, in it, especially 00:08:50.740 --> 00:08:54.380 since we're so, so many of us are new people. 00:08:54.380 --> 00:08:58.100 So we'll just let him go ahead and finish up. 00:08:58.100 --> 00:09:00.660 But that's pretty much what's going on. 00:09:00.660 --> 00:09:05.820 And once the schematic has been approved, that, before that, is that when there, we've 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:09.620 already done the process of asking for community. 00:09:09.620 --> 00:09:13.980 So what happens on the schematic is the schematic is, the difference between the schematic and 00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:17.740 you'll see down there it says 100% plans, the difference between the schematic and the 00:09:17.740 --> 00:09:21.460 plans is the schematic tells you where the project is in the world, so it tells you how 00:09:21.460 --> 00:09:25.820 many people it's going to impact, whether it's going to cut that hill down or whether 00:09:25.820 --> 00:09:28.340 it's going to fill in that low spot. 00:09:28.340 --> 00:09:30.060 So it tells you what the impacts are. 00:09:30.060 --> 00:09:35.260 And so that once that schematic's been approved, that footprint is then environmentally cleared 00:09:35.260 --> 00:09:36.980 by through the federal process. 00:09:36.980 --> 00:09:43.260 And during that, those run concurrent for a lot of it, but typically by the time a project 00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:49.980 gets environmentally cleared, it has gone through two, three, four public meetings with 00:09:49.980 --> 00:09:55.420 feedback and forth, and then one final public hearing with the public. 00:09:55.420 --> 00:10:00.020 And then monthly coordination with the city stakeholders on these projects. 00:10:00.020 --> 00:10:11.120 So the point I think Councilperson Byrd is making is that we try to get this information 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:17.420 out to people, but you'd be surprised at how many people are gobslapped when they don't 00:10:17.420 --> 00:10:18.940 know what's going on. 00:10:18.940 --> 00:10:20.180 We try. 00:10:20.180 --> 00:10:24.560 Okay, the next project down is from '77 down to the merge. 00:10:24.560 --> 00:10:28.540 This is under construction right now. 00:10:28.540 --> 00:10:33.440 And this is a project that was picked up by SEMA Construction. 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.500 You'll see it down there in the bottom for $588 million. 00:10:36.500 --> 00:10:37.780 They had two bidders on this one. 00:10:37.780 --> 00:10:40.860 This is why they broke up the other projects. 00:10:40.860 --> 00:10:45.380 That was the low bid, and it was $100 million over the original estimate. 00:10:45.380 --> 00:10:52.500 And both of the firms were required to not submit a proposal for more than 56 months, 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:55.260 and both of them submitted 56 months. 00:10:55.260 --> 00:10:57.180 So this project is under construction. 00:10:57.180 --> 00:11:02.700 You drive out there, you see it, you can see the direct connects structures are built in 00:11:02.700 --> 00:11:06.800 for the 35E to 35W direct connect. 00:11:06.800 --> 00:11:10.900 So this project, there's a construction report I'll show you, but right now we're showing 00:11:10.900 --> 00:11:17.980 you the contractual completion date of November 29, and that's the same as right here on the 00:11:17.980 --> 00:11:18.980 report. 00:11:18.980 --> 00:11:23.460 We call it contractual is because these contractors are going to get behind, or they're going 00:11:23.460 --> 00:11:29.580 to get ahead, and they true up that date as they get closer to the end. 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:33.100 And so the actual completion date will be whatever the actual completion date is, but 00:11:33.100 --> 00:11:39.420 they don't report to us those changes in the schedule until the very end of the project. 00:11:39.420 --> 00:11:43.260 And what we try to do on these reports when you're reading them is we try to give you 00:11:43.260 --> 00:11:45.620 what they're doing right now. 00:11:45.620 --> 00:11:48.540 We try to give you a brief description of what they did last month so you can see what 00:11:48.540 --> 00:11:52.420 they're progressing, and then what's planned for the following month. 00:11:52.420 --> 00:11:58.820 And then what I look at mostly are these last four items, anything impacting traffic issues, 00:11:58.820 --> 00:12:02.700 any plans and changes in the traffic because that's where we get caught flat footed if 00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:06.780 we don't know they're going to do a change in traffic patterns or people get freaked 00:12:06.780 --> 00:12:12.860 out so we try to know in advance, and anything else that's impacting the project completion 00:12:12.860 --> 00:12:14.060 date. 00:12:14.060 --> 00:12:15.700 So that's the merge. 00:12:15.700 --> 00:12:20.220 We're doing six lanes in all directions, we're doing a braided ramp, which means you get 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:26.700 on and off at the same place, the on ramp goes over, the exit goes under. 00:12:26.700 --> 00:12:34.580 So it'll get rid of all that congestion along that corridor. 00:12:34.580 --> 00:12:38.340 And then if that's not worse, you want to try to escape going down southeast. 00:12:38.340 --> 00:12:40.340 Oh, my apologies. 00:12:40.340 --> 00:12:50.140 What exactly is that southern boundary on I-35E, on 35E? 00:12:50.140 --> 00:12:52.020 Just north of North Texas Boulevard. 00:12:52.020 --> 00:12:53.700 Oh, okay. 00:12:53.700 --> 00:12:59.380 So you notice we pulled out that ramp, the ramp there right by the Coliseum. 00:12:59.380 --> 00:13:01.700 What is that music playing? 00:13:01.700 --> 00:13:02.700 Armadillo? 00:13:02.700 --> 00:13:03.700 Yes. 00:13:03.700 --> 00:13:08.020 So just north of North Texas Boulevard, all the way around. 00:13:08.020 --> 00:13:13.020 And how far, and where does it, does it go as far as 2499 on 35W? 00:13:13.020 --> 00:13:16.020 No, no, 2449. 00:13:16.020 --> 00:13:20.180 So there's a no man's land there that nobody wants to do. 00:13:20.180 --> 00:13:23.500 So we're stopping just north of the railroad track. 00:13:23.500 --> 00:13:27.860 So we're stopping just north of the 35W railroad track. 00:13:27.860 --> 00:13:34.260 And then the frontage road project that we'll get to in a second stops just south of it. 00:13:34.260 --> 00:13:37.420 So that's still going to be no man's land. 00:13:37.420 --> 00:13:41.020 Nobody wants to, it's a huge project cost for. 00:13:41.020 --> 00:13:45.860 Okay so if I miss my exit to Bonnie Bray, I'm still going to have to go to 2449? 00:13:45.860 --> 00:13:46.860 Correct. 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:47.860 Okay. 00:13:47.860 --> 00:13:51.100 Then I missed that exit. 00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:52.100 Don't miss it. 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:56.020 So if you're trying to avoid the northern part of the city with the merge, and you think 00:13:56.020 --> 00:14:04.260 you're going to escape southeast on 35E, we're fixing to, in June, let this project at Mayhill, 00:14:04.260 --> 00:14:06.660 and just to put this project in perspective. 00:14:06.660 --> 00:14:09.260 This project has 12 lanes under it. 00:14:09.260 --> 00:14:15.180 So 2499 and Mayhill will go under 35 at this location, and there'll be 12 lanes of traffic 00:14:15.180 --> 00:14:16.300 under it. 00:14:16.300 --> 00:14:21.780 To put that in perspective for the new folks, there are only 10 lanes under 35 at loop 288 00:14:21.780 --> 00:14:23.020 at the mall. 00:14:23.020 --> 00:14:28.700 So this one will be two lanes wider, bigger, than the interchange at the mall. 00:14:28.700 --> 00:14:34.060 Plus, if you're spending time over here, you get stuck on the frontage road at Brinker, 00:14:34.060 --> 00:14:35.820 at that Brinker signal. 00:14:35.820 --> 00:14:41.300 This provides a bypass frontage road that comes up and over Brinker so that you don't 00:14:41.300 --> 00:14:42.300 have to stop. 00:14:42.300 --> 00:14:45.900 If you want to stop at Brinker, you'll use the outside frontage road lanes. 00:14:45.900 --> 00:14:50.300 If you want to continue on north to 288, you'll do the inside frontage road lane. 00:14:50.300 --> 00:14:52.100 You go up and over without stopping. 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:54.540 Same in the reverse on the south side. 00:14:54.540 --> 00:14:59.580 You'll have a direct connect between 288 and Mayhill without having to stop at Brinker. 00:14:59.580 --> 00:15:02.460 You can, but you won't have to. 00:15:02.460 --> 00:15:06.780 This project goes under the knife, starts in June, so it'll probably go under the knife 00:15:06.780 --> 00:15:11.700 probably September when the contractor shows up, because they have about 60 to 90 days 00:15:11.700 --> 00:15:19.620 of mobilization to get their barricades up, their bonds certified and all that stuff. 00:15:19.620 --> 00:15:21.340 So we let it in June. 00:15:21.340 --> 00:15:28.940 You usually don't see anything until August or September on that project. 00:15:28.940 --> 00:15:34.220 I think that's going to be my favorite project next after the Mayhill one. 00:15:34.220 --> 00:15:36.460 It's sure needed. 00:15:36.460 --> 00:15:38.180 What's the expected completion or timeline? 00:15:38.180 --> 00:15:40.020 I'm sorry, I couldn't see that on the... 00:15:40.020 --> 00:15:41.020 It's not. 00:15:41.020 --> 00:15:44.900 So what happens is we have an estimate. 00:15:44.900 --> 00:15:50.640 It's probably going to be another 54-month project because it's huge. 00:15:50.640 --> 00:15:57.340 But the estimate not only has an estimate on the cost, we have an estimate on the time. 00:15:57.340 --> 00:16:02.300 But when the contractors bid it, they bid both time and money. 00:16:02.300 --> 00:16:08.580 So whoever gets awarded, we go look in their bid document and if it says 56 months or 54 00:16:08.580 --> 00:16:14.300 months or 28 months, we go into their bid document and look and they rent the barricades. 00:16:14.300 --> 00:16:19.540 So if they've rent the barricades for four years, that's how long the contractor thinks 00:16:19.540 --> 00:16:20.540 the project will last. 00:16:20.540 --> 00:16:25.420 And so that's when we start using that to give us an estimated completion date. 00:16:25.420 --> 00:16:28.700 But once the contract's signed, there will be a completion date on the contract and then 00:16:28.700 --> 00:16:32.060 we'll replace that with the actual contract completion date. 00:16:32.060 --> 00:16:33.060 Okay. 00:16:33.060 --> 00:16:43.260 Okay, as I said a minute ago, the project to the Southwest, we're doing frontage roads 00:16:43.260 --> 00:16:49.620 from 2449 down to 407 where we've got an interim improvement, which means we're only doing 00:16:49.620 --> 00:16:53.980 certain interchanges to their completion. 00:16:53.980 --> 00:16:58.020 And it's 213 million and it stops at 2449. 00:16:58.020 --> 00:17:04.980 So the merged job in this area, you can see this creek area, the railroad tracks right 00:17:04.980 --> 00:17:06.100 up in here somewhere. 00:17:06.100 --> 00:17:10.660 So we stopped short of it and then the merged job stops north of it. 00:17:10.660 --> 00:17:16.500 So there's this area on the creek area where while the schematics been done, nobody's wanting 00:17:16.500 --> 00:17:22.020 to take on the job of building it. 00:17:22.020 --> 00:17:25.500 So you don't have a contractor for this? 00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:27.940 We have it environmentally cleared. 00:17:27.940 --> 00:17:35.380 So we know what we're going to do, but nobody's willing to pick up the PS&E and the design 00:17:35.380 --> 00:17:37.300 and then champion it. 00:17:37.300 --> 00:17:42.100 The county's more interested in the frontage roads all the way along 35W south of here 00:17:42.100 --> 00:17:50.660 because you see in your own city the developments going on from 2449 south. 00:17:50.660 --> 00:17:52.980 And this calls for frontage roads on both sides? 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:53.980 Correct. 00:17:53.980 --> 00:17:54.980 Frontage roads. 00:17:54.980 --> 00:17:58.980 And that's all we're doing in this job is just adding frontage roads. 00:17:58.980 --> 00:18:02.060 And if you go out there and drive it, you'll see the reason why there aren't any frontage 00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:06.780 roads out there right now is because we couldn't build 35W the way it was built originally. 00:18:06.780 --> 00:18:12.660 That goes through a lot of floodplain area and they just build it on field for most of 00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:14.220 the corridors on field. 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:18.260 And then when they get to a major creek crossing, they would just bridge the creek crossing. 00:18:18.260 --> 00:18:24.740 Now with the way the rules are, most of this frontage road will be elevated on structure, 00:18:24.740 --> 00:18:29.820 which is why it costs so much. 00:18:29.820 --> 00:18:37.500 Will all future frontage roads have a -- I don't know how to phrase this -- a reasonable 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:44.220 terminus where they will either exit onto the interstate or a Texas turnaround or something? 00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:45.220 Yeah. 00:18:45.220 --> 00:18:46.220 So -- 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:47.220 Sometimes they just stop. 00:18:47.220 --> 00:18:48.220 Yes, they do. 00:18:48.220 --> 00:18:54.980 But this project picks them up north of 2449 and carries them all the way through 407. 00:18:54.980 --> 00:18:59.420 So when I'm involved in a project, we don't -- we try not to do stupid stuff. 00:18:59.420 --> 00:19:04.540 And we got enough money to not do stupid on this one. 00:19:04.540 --> 00:19:06.260 Thank you. 00:19:06.260 --> 00:19:07.260 Okay. 00:19:07.260 --> 00:19:08.260 All right. 00:19:08.260 --> 00:19:17.380 I'm not going to tell my story about when I started this project. 00:19:17.380 --> 00:19:19.820 But this is a loop 28 West frontage road project. 00:19:19.820 --> 00:19:22.380 It is a full controlled access facility. 00:19:22.380 --> 00:19:27.020 What that means is it will have main lanes and frontage roads and grade separations. 00:19:27.020 --> 00:19:30.820 So it will act as if it is a freeway. 00:19:30.820 --> 00:19:38.940 And one of the things we're trying to do is ultimately being able to remove truck traffic 00:19:38.940 --> 00:19:43.500 from coming through Denton, we'll be able to route them on the loop around the city 00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:48.740 to get them -- if a lot of traffic wants to come through here and go to 38 and go west 00:19:48.740 --> 00:19:54.220 or east, we're going to -- once we get this road done, we're going to route the traffic, 00:19:54.220 --> 00:19:59.500 the truck traffic, away from downtown out and around on these loops. 00:19:59.500 --> 00:20:03.300 Right now you'll see this as pending funding. 00:20:03.300 --> 00:20:09.220 When you see category 3 and 7 in those small amounts, those are just holding dollars to 00:20:09.220 --> 00:20:15.580 keep it in the plan because the plan is -- the unified transportation plan is financially 00:20:15.580 --> 00:20:16.580 constrained. 00:20:16.580 --> 00:20:19.740 So you can't be in the plan if you don't have any funding associated with the project. 00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:22.740 So those are -- those are holding dollars. 00:20:22.740 --> 00:20:30.980 They're real, but they're irrelevant when you want to do a $250 million project. 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:35.260 I think I'm going to change my mind and say that's probably my favorite project right 00:20:35.260 --> 00:20:36.260 now. 00:20:36.260 --> 00:20:37.260 Okay. 00:20:37.260 --> 00:20:40.540 So you're going to bring those large vehicles off the corridor there. 00:20:40.540 --> 00:20:44.300 Well, the next one that you're going to like because this is the northern part. 00:20:44.300 --> 00:20:45.300 Yes. 00:20:45.300 --> 00:20:51.180 So the northern part of loop 288 has been controlled from development and because we 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:56.780 -- the city and the county and the state all agreed 30 years ago that we wanted to protect 00:20:56.780 --> 00:21:00.060 this corridor to stay ultimately -- it could be a freeway. 00:21:00.060 --> 00:21:05.620 So right now the county is doing an environmental clearance to add frontage roads to the roads 00:21:05.620 --> 00:21:06.620 that are already out there. 00:21:06.620 --> 00:21:08.620 The roads that are already out there are main lanes. 00:21:08.620 --> 00:21:09.620 Oh, okay. 00:21:09.620 --> 00:21:14.820 So we're adding the frontage roads on the outside and the grade separations along that 00:21:14.820 --> 00:21:21.620 corridor and then a direct connection, a main lane direct connection from 288 to 380 because 00:21:21.620 --> 00:21:25.460 ultimately 380 will be a freeway as well. 00:21:25.460 --> 00:21:30.460 So we're planning for that and so once this project is done with the loop 288 on the other 00:21:30.460 --> 00:21:35.500 side you'll be able to drive on a freeway cross section all the way around the city 00:21:35.500 --> 00:21:36.500 of Denton. 00:21:36.500 --> 00:21:42.820 The truck traffic driving on 380, once this connection is made over to 380 in the west, 00:21:42.820 --> 00:21:47.300 with this project we can take these people and move them up around and over as opposed 00:21:47.300 --> 00:21:51.060 to having to come through downtown Denton. 00:21:51.060 --> 00:21:54.100 That's the intent. 00:21:54.100 --> 00:21:55.100 Awesome. 00:21:55.100 --> 00:21:56.100 Okay. 00:21:56.100 --> 00:21:57.460 And this -- okay. 00:21:57.460 --> 00:22:04.620 Right here, this little piece right here on the end, that is the Bonney Brace segment 00:22:04.620 --> 00:22:09.100 and the city and the county has been building Bonney Brace segments from the south all the 00:22:09.100 --> 00:22:15.260 way north and this was going to be segment seven but we got TechStat and the MPO, the 00:22:15.260 --> 00:22:21.980 planning organization, which controls the federal dollars, to agree to fund this project. 00:22:21.980 --> 00:22:27.220 So when we -- they agreed to fund it, we just put it in the environmental clearance document 00:22:27.220 --> 00:22:31.900 for the totality because we would have to clear it as a standalone job and so we just 00:22:31.900 --> 00:22:36.700 added it to the big job but I show it as a separate project because y'all's report show 00:22:36.700 --> 00:22:43.300 Bonney Brace is segment seven but it's part of the big loop job now. 00:22:43.300 --> 00:22:54.420 FM 1515, this is taking that two-lane hogback road where all the commercial is and widening 00:22:54.420 --> 00:23:00.900 it to a six-lane divided urban, which means curb and gutter, and right now if you're trying 00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:05.980 to get out to Fort Worth Airport Drive and all that stuff, it's kind of hard where the 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:12.740 city and the contractor for TechStat are wanting to be in the same spot at the same time and 00:23:12.740 --> 00:23:15.760 there's that same thing like in Back to the Future where if they come together there's 00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:21.220 a confluence of paradigm that will destroy the known fabric of the universe so we're 00:23:21.220 --> 00:23:28.140 trying to work through that. 00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:32.660 And then further to the north, 1173, we're rerouting. 00:23:32.660 --> 00:23:37.860 Right now to get to 1173 you come to the loop and then you got to come up, you make a U-turn, 00:23:37.860 --> 00:23:39.620 come back and go this way. 00:23:39.620 --> 00:23:45.020 We are the city's thoroughfare plan shows it so we're widening to six lanes or rerouting 00:23:45.020 --> 00:23:51.140 1173 up to Barthole Road so you'll be tying right into that 77 job and this intersection 00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:55.940 is being done with that merged project that I showed you earlier and then we're working 00:23:55.940 --> 00:24:02.180 through some trauma with Crum on they're losing some parking and they're wanting us to look 00:24:02.180 --> 00:24:08.380 at a couplet but that won't work, we'll explain that later but we're working through the process 00:24:08.380 --> 00:24:09.380 on this one. 00:24:09.380 --> 00:24:11.780 What's a couplet, please? 00:24:11.780 --> 00:24:17.100 Like Lewisville Main Street when you go down you go one way eastbound and then you turn 00:24:17.100 --> 00:24:22.260 around and go one way westbound so it's still the same road it's just going it breaks off 00:24:22.260 --> 00:24:28.500 and goes it's a circle so that you don't have all the traffic on one road. 00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:29.500 Like Elm and Locust here. 00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:37.260 Elm and Locust, why didn't I use that one? 00:24:37.260 --> 00:24:41.740 I'm good with money, that's my claim to fame. 00:24:41.740 --> 00:24:47.820 Okay so this is the blob map and we do this for a purpose probably by the next time I 00:24:47.820 --> 00:24:54.900 see y'all we'll show you the actual two alignments but we started with probably 700 alignments 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:59.340 out here it looked like somebody threw spaghetti on the wall but the intent is to get from 00:24:59.340 --> 00:25:07.260 the Collin County line to 35 and Collin County has an area where they brought the outer loop 00:25:07.260 --> 00:25:13.060 to our county line that ties into the extension of the toll road north. 00:25:13.060 --> 00:25:19.700 We have to cross the green belt at 428 that's what the court requires us to cross and we're 00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:25.180 tying in at Milam Road for two reasons one that's where your city surfer plan shows it 00:25:25.180 --> 00:25:33.300 and two the county has just bought a ton of land on the west side of 35 there by Milam 00:25:33.300 --> 00:25:37.060 and that's where they want the connection to be and since the county's paying for the 00:25:37.060 --> 00:25:40.180 study they decided that's what they wanted to do. 00:25:40.180 --> 00:25:43.420 So that's the side of the expo center. 00:25:43.420 --> 00:25:51.460 Correct we are next time we show this to you there'll be two routes this is a this project 00:25:51.460 --> 00:25:55.500 is going through what there are levels of environmental clearance the easiest is called 00:25:55.500 --> 00:26:01.740 a programmatic categorical exclusion which means if you meet a checklist they certify 00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:06.020 you meet the checklist you move on the next step is a categorical exclusion which means 00:26:06.020 --> 00:26:10.060 you do everything you do with a normal environmental assessment process but you don't have as much 00:26:10.060 --> 00:26:11.060 public involvement. 00:26:11.060 --> 00:26:17.020 Then you have an environmental assessment which is normally what one does on these projects 00:26:17.020 --> 00:26:21.740 and it has significant public involvement and then the highest level is environmental 00:26:21.740 --> 00:26:27.300 impact statement or EIS and that takes twice as long twice as many public involvements 00:26:27.300 --> 00:26:32.460 and you have to carry two alignments through the full environmental process. 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:36.940 So an environmental assessment eventually get to the what's called the technically locally 00:26:36.940 --> 00:26:44.100 preferred and that's the one you clear on an EIS because of the sensitivity of the corridor 00:26:44.100 --> 00:26:49.100 you had to carry two viable alternatives all the way through the environmental clearance 00:26:49.100 --> 00:26:54.780 process and let the environmental clearance process tell you which one is least impacted. 00:26:54.780 --> 00:27:01.060 So that's what we're doing and we're supposed to be done by roughly this time next year. 00:27:01.060 --> 00:27:06.980 You know I have a feeling Councilmember Beck was in here that would have just been so so 00:27:06.980 --> 00:27:11.740 stirring since he's our environmental guy. 00:27:11.740 --> 00:27:17.300 Just to put it in perspective the region worked with COG in 2016 that's how far ahead we were 00:27:17.300 --> 00:27:23.660 looking at this project to allocate 50 million dollars to cross the green belt because you 00:27:23.660 --> 00:27:33.060 either avoid which we can't avoid you mitigate you minimize you mitigate or you enhance. 00:27:33.060 --> 00:27:40.020 So we can't avoid and we're not going to minimize and mitigation is a good thing to do but we're 00:27:40.020 --> 00:27:41.020 going to enhance. 00:27:41.020 --> 00:27:46.980 So we're going to come in and give them significantly more we'll go buy stuff we'll go we'll go 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:54.540 fix our trails I mean we'll go well beyond the call at the green belt because it's important 00:27:54.540 --> 00:28:00.300 to the county and so we have a commitment to this region and this also is a project 00:28:00.300 --> 00:28:03.140 just for the environmentalists and everybody. 00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:10.740 All the water flows from basically Denton southeast into into Dallas County along the 00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:16.420 Trinity Corridor we're building a 23 mile long dam so on all those tributaries small 00:28:16.420 --> 00:28:22.320 or large where we're crossing we are going to be purchasing at least all the way up to 00:28:22.320 --> 00:28:28.140 the floodplain maybe more feet simple and then we're going to impound water and we're 00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:31.980 not impounding water because we don't want to go to Dallas we're impounding water because 00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:38.060 we're going to in the concurrence of building the road we are going to be inventing best 00:28:38.060 --> 00:28:45.040 management practices which means you do it naturally methods for recharging the aquifer. 00:28:45.040 --> 00:28:49.060 So we're not going to let the water just escape to Dallas and then go that way we're going 00:28:49.060 --> 00:28:53.340 to hold it and find a way to recharge the aquifers because we're at the head you were 00:28:53.340 --> 00:29:00.340 to what is it to tell when tell into the aquifer so it's really important that we do something 00:29:00.340 --> 00:29:01.340 for the aquifer. 00:29:01.340 --> 00:29:07.500 What will happen to that bridge that old iron bridge it depends. 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:13.300 So we have three alternatives one of which we will not do but we had to show it is a 00:29:13.300 --> 00:29:18.100 stacked alternative where you had the frontage roads on the bottom and the main lanes on 00:29:18.100 --> 00:29:26.540 top and you stay within 150 feet right away that's currently out there and that scenario 00:29:26.540 --> 00:29:33.540 we have to move the bridge because the it's right next to it so we would move the bridge 00:29:33.540 --> 00:29:38.620 in the alternative that I'm thinking we're going to land on. 00:29:38.620 --> 00:29:42.900 So the other end of the spectrum is we just come through there with a 500 feet and we 00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:47.020 tear everything up and we move everything and then we go buy more land for them and 00:29:47.020 --> 00:29:52.460 then we rehabilitate it and all that stuff the interim the middle options I think we're 00:29:52.460 --> 00:29:58.180 going to do is we go from 500 feet to about 350 feet but we take all of that right away 00:29:58.180 --> 00:30:04.740 off the south side right so we leave the bridge where it is and then we do a lot of trail 00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:10.340 work in and around our project that's the enhancement part to not only reconnect it 00:30:10.340 --> 00:30:19.300 but to maybe build trailheads additional park amenities etc. so the Corps and Texas Parks 00:30:19.300 --> 00:30:23.940 and Wildlife will tell us Texas Parks and Wildlife doesn't want it to necessarily move 00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:27.340 the Corps of Engineers wants the 50 million so they don't care if they have to move the 00:30:27.340 --> 00:30:31.100 bridge to get it so to be determined. 00:30:31.100 --> 00:30:37.020 Well I know this is some really really heavy conversation in here and we're learning quite 00:30:37.020 --> 00:30:43.380 a bit all right and this is your I can tell you're you know this is your thing which is 00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:48.740 great we have people like you in our world but I know we must move on okay well we are 00:30:48.740 --> 00:30:53.580 done how about that oh and we're done this are the acronyms you all need to know what 00:30:53.580 --> 00:31:00.540 I just said go look it up all right thank you very much Mr. Poster anybody else have 00:31:00.540 --> 00:31:08.540 any questions comments any concerns well we are doing good thank you sir this gentleman 00:31:08.540 --> 00:31:16.020 has been let me see this is my fifth year and we've been together and I was teasing 00:31:16.020 --> 00:31:22.680 a bit earlier because I've seen all of this starting to shrink you know shrink down so 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.700 now we only have 30 minutes of gentlemen where we used to have an hour you know so I'm glad 00:31:27.700 --> 00:31:34.780 to see that we are progressing in our world and we still have well thank you Scott thanks 00:31:34.780 --> 00:31:58.500 thank you so we'll move on to see MC 25 there's 033 staff morning chair and mobility committee 00:31:58.500 --> 00:32:11.020 members for Han but deputy director transportation services division for the safety improvements 00:32:11.020 --> 00:32:16.420 recommendations that were raised in the last mobility committee meeting we have initiated 00:32:16.420 --> 00:32:23.860 the process there are a couple of elements that we could expedite when it comes to the 00:32:23.860 --> 00:32:31.460 approval process including posted speed is in consideration but it is a very specific 00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:36.160 item where we'll have to do much more research but some of some other items include no parking 00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:45.540 signages and and no turning on red and school zones so so we will develop the process this 00:32:45.540 --> 00:32:51.180 coordination with the legal department and also with CMO and then based on their guidelines 00:32:51.180 --> 00:33:01.260 we'll develop the process for expediting these approvals thank you and for the if the next 00:33:01.260 --> 00:33:07.260 item will be covered here or we are going to the yes let's let's keep going okay so 00:33:07.260 --> 00:33:13.580 the for the potential I'm sorry okay I'm just looking down does anybody have any questions 00:33:13.580 --> 00:33:19.740 or any comments on the streamline recommendation for safety implementation and getting all 00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:29.700 of the signage and all of that updated and being all right no questions then keep moving 00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:38.700 on okay thank you so for potential sponsorship opportunities for bollards and other traffic 00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:46.780 operations implementations we staff cited some examples from New York San Francisco 00:33:46.780 --> 00:33:55.060 San Diego yes the cities are much bigger than Denton but it's hard to find examples with 00:33:55.060 --> 00:34:01.980 comparable cities because their margin their projects are limited in nature hence that's 00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:08.140 why we provided these collaborative collaboration examples in public private partnership examples 00:34:08.140 --> 00:34:12.860 but there are possibilities when it comes to Denton there are possibilities there are 00:34:12.860 --> 00:34:21.220 opportunities for such public private partnerships and in particular areas near UNT and TWU 00:34:21.220 --> 00:34:29.420 where the bike uses predominant and then separation of mode in terms of public transport is also 00:34:29.420 --> 00:34:36.780 warranted in some cases so we will explore these opportunities with economic development 00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:47.620 and in CMO and legal department and develop a process for that as well I have a question 00:34:47.620 --> 00:34:57.420 have you all thought to and I'm sure you have but just in case that you all know how I feel 00:34:57.420 --> 00:35:06.300 about bollards which I don't like bollards but have you all considered bollards in all 00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:14.340 of the school zone type locations is that too close to residential you know like you 00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:22.460 say universities of course would fall into that this is a heavy bike use usage is that 00:35:22.460 --> 00:35:30.740 is that well this is this topic is really just about the sponsorship portion he mentioned 00:35:30.740 --> 00:35:36.660 bollards but again this is just truly all sponsorship okay so I was just triggered we have another 00:35:36.660 --> 00:35:41.580 yeah we have another item on bollards all right well well thank you see this is why they're 00:35:41.580 --> 00:35:50.620 here I've got a couple questions on there so under I see we've got some examples from 00:35:50.620 --> 00:36:02.220 other cities as we kind of build out this idea if business or even like a neighborhood 00:36:02.220 --> 00:36:12.700 wanted to fund a project would there be would there be a way for a business or a group to 00:36:12.700 --> 00:36:17.220 kind of go in I don't want to say shopping but kind of say like what are the things we 00:36:17.220 --> 00:36:24.580 could fund is it only bike lanes is it could we fund a sidewalk or could we fund other 00:36:24.580 --> 00:36:32.100 facilities that may benefit a small area so what what would those other project potential 00:36:32.100 --> 00:36:37.660 projects be what are what are you thinking right now so these would depend on case by 00:36:37.660 --> 00:36:44.220 case basis context they are context-sensitive there if you are looking at a bollard location 00:36:44.220 --> 00:36:49.220 then it is bollards if you're looking at traffic safety enhancements and businesses would like 00:36:49.220 --> 00:36:57.620 to chip in or participate in a PPP process that is open so it it when it comes to these 00:36:57.620 --> 00:37:05.660 agreements or these PPPs there are a variety of opportunities and I think nothing is off 00:37:05.660 --> 00:37:13.060 the list I would go to that extent it all depends on how lucrative it is for businesses 00:37:13.060 --> 00:37:23.580 in terms of attracting their clients or users to their shops or businesses so I think it's 00:37:23.580 --> 00:37:29.300 it's an arrangement that can happen but typically they are driven by agreements okay and what 00:37:29.300 --> 00:37:36.700 is a PPP it's public private partnership okay I apologize I should have that's okay so if 00:37:36.700 --> 00:37:42.060 and maybe this is a ongoing discussion but if if there is a group that wants to do a 00:37:42.060 --> 00:37:48.700 project they would say we have the funding or we're in the process of getting the funding 00:37:48.700 --> 00:37:53.000 then they would present that to the staff and I'm guessing there would be an approval 00:37:53.000 --> 00:38:00.100 process either from council and staff to say yeah that falls within our design or and then 00:38:00.100 --> 00:38:06.820 with that then if it's funded within the city go and do the work so that it's cohesive and 00:38:06.820 --> 00:38:13.580 it falls within the standards the city has set for similar facilities it if Scott wants 00:38:13.580 --> 00:38:18.060 to address I can address that but if yeah I think it's well I just want to make sure 00:38:18.060 --> 00:38:22.020 we kind of just stay somewhat contained in what we're speaking to you this was really 00:38:22.020 --> 00:38:28.620 just getting those initial ideas when we were talking about mobility and all of this really 00:38:28.620 --> 00:38:33.620 would have to go through council that council would be supportive so Farhan's just at least 00:38:33.620 --> 00:38:38.660 providing some ideas of what some other communities have done and then when we get into the process 00:38:38.660 --> 00:38:43.700 detail we'd work through city manager's office to say this is what we would present the council 00:38:43.700 --> 00:38:49.180 have council at least vet or approve what it is that we might do so questions are great 00:38:49.180 --> 00:38:55.860 so we're just that's right early in the process I'm already thinking of the process it's exciting 00:38:55.860 --> 00:39:02.180 to it's exciting for I think for citizens or for businesses to have a little bit more 00:39:02.180 --> 00:39:09.500 of hands-on or even the kind of a shorter term goal yeah that's yeah just just trying 00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:13.660 to at least get the concept that it was floated you know two meetings ago and and so here 00:39:13.660 --> 00:39:17.420 we are trying to come back at least and say hey here's some concepts this is what some 00:39:17.420 --> 00:39:23.400 others have done we just really have to work through a lot of the detail but most importantly 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:29.340 whether or not council supports the concept of having businesses fund these types of projects 00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:35.860 my my only consider other consideration as much as I think this is a great idea as a 00:39:35.860 --> 00:39:43.540 as an option my concern as a citizen and I'm sure council would have a similar concern 00:39:43.540 --> 00:39:52.260 is making sure that this type of a idea or program is equitable and that certain parts 00:39:52.260 --> 00:40:00.260 of town maybe where there is where there are flourishing businesses or flourishing neighborhoods 00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:07.940 well established neighborhoods those may end up getting the nicer or these these projects 00:40:07.940 --> 00:40:16.140 completed and then are how would we make sure that other parts of the city are not left 00:40:16.140 --> 00:40:22.140 behind where maybe there's a part of town where there is not as much advocacy or businesses 00:40:22.140 --> 00:40:31.300 that even want to do this and just making sure that pushing these upgrades to businesses 00:40:31.300 --> 00:40:42.640 is not is not kicking the can or not make making our city prioritize those things as 00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:47.420 these are things that need to be done in our city oh you know I'm saying so instead of 00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:54.180 saying we want to we want to continue to fund or budget for these things because we believe 00:40:54.180 --> 00:41:00.740 everywhere in or where where it's determined the needs are we want to provide those facilities 00:41:00.740 --> 00:41:05.420 I'm a little worried that if it's like well yes but we'll let the businesses take care 00:41:05.420 --> 00:41:13.580 of that I want to make sure we we have both so that we're not forgetting yeah we got you 00:41:13.580 --> 00:41:21.340 guys I think those are bad I think those are incredibly valid points important to note 00:41:21.340 --> 00:41:26.740 and maybe there's an opportunity for some education but the transportation services 00:41:26.740 --> 00:41:31.100 group is responsible for putting together a list of priorities of what needs to be done 00:41:31.100 --> 00:41:35.260 we have the ADA transition plan which will then kind of lay out the the priorities of 00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:40.420 what we have to fix that ensures the equitable piece that really we're looking at the safety 00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:45.980 concerns and what's required each of the departments have a work plan and so all of this would 00:41:45.980 --> 00:41:49.940 have to be in conjunction with that the the points are excellent and that's really what 00:41:49.940 --> 00:41:54.300 that policy decision is with council as to how it is that we'd work through CMO come 00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:58.500 up with what we think would work vetted through council then council would kind of lay that 00:41:58.500 --> 00:42:03.760 out but but we already have work plans that would ensure that we are taking care of business 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:10.820 across the city regardless of of where the funding is coming from more of what priority 00:42:10.820 --> 00:42:16.420 we have to fix what we have to fix or install what we have to install I think we are still 00:42:16.420 --> 00:42:25.740 in our needs mode in this city for quite a while and these types of things you know just 00:42:25.740 --> 00:42:34.140 fits in where appropriate right and if we're in our want mode then we're not when I don't 00:42:34.140 --> 00:42:40.580 know if we're ready for morning so this would give an option if a business sure that's exactly 00:42:40.580 --> 00:42:44.540 what what they're saying my only other question would be and I know this is still kind of 00:42:44.540 --> 00:42:50.620 an idea so we're talking about businesses I don't know if this would businesses could 00:42:50.620 --> 00:42:54.860 collaborate to like let's say there's two or three businesses side by side and they 00:42:54.860 --> 00:43:00.420 want to go in together could this also be because some of the examples provided here 00:43:00.420 --> 00:43:05.740 I believe in Austin those are actually I don't know if it's a nonprofit but there's there's 00:43:05.740 --> 00:43:12.380 kind of community based groups that are seeking that are working on funding could this also 00:43:12.380 --> 00:43:18.700 be open to any if there's any new organizations that pop up in Denton that want to work on 00:43:18.700 --> 00:43:25.940 funding specific projects but they're not necessarily a business so in many cases these 00:43:25.940 --> 00:43:32.380 community based groups are also backed by businesses and organizations so they are the 00:43:32.380 --> 00:43:39.860 front end of these these arrangements but often you would if further investigated we'll 00:43:39.860 --> 00:43:46.580 find that some local retail giant is supporting the cause by community and then community 00:43:46.580 --> 00:43:52.660 is a front end and then so I think these arrangements are as Scott mentioned that when the project 00:43:52.660 --> 00:43:58.260 proceeds and different parties approach the city those agreements are written they are 00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:04.360 vetted by legal they are looked at from many different aspects it's not only the transportation 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:08.300 side but there are there are different aspects to that development review aspect is there 00:44:08.300 --> 00:44:13.460 that can we even do that so those questions are addressed when the projects are when the 00:44:13.460 --> 00:44:17.340 agreements are initiated and that those are covered for the most part they go through 00:44:17.340 --> 00:44:27.100 many rounds of revisions okay great all right sure any questions could not now at our next 00:44:27.100 --> 00:44:34.500 meeting could you provide some examples of what those sponsorships would look like sure 00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:41.700 we could we could do that I just like to see what eat it Joe's you know I mean what what 00:44:41.700 --> 00:44:47.100 what in the world that looks like when as as people are driving down the street okay 00:44:47.100 --> 00:44:54.420 thank you start we'll do that okay um anything else on that I think we're we're done with 00:44:54.420 --> 00:45:01.500 that part okay thank you so thank you I'll move on to DMC two five days zero three eight 00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:10.420 receive a report hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding future meeting topics 00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:19.860 here's Seth and he's up all right so before you begin speaking yes ma'am please tell these 00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:25.380 young ladies who you are so good morning my name's Seth Garcia I'm the director of capital 00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:31.180 projects so today we're looking at removing a couple items that would be line and ten 00:45:31.180 --> 00:45:36.940 so the potential Ballard sponsorships with local businesses we'll add another item Councilmember 00:45:36.940 --> 00:45:43.580 Holland for what you just requested and then item ten streamline the implementation of 00:45:43.580 --> 00:45:49.520 safety recommendations so that was covered in the staff memo as well otherwise any other 00:45:49.520 --> 00:46:03.460 items we would like to add yes hi good to see you Seth so as we are in the hottest part 00:46:03.460 --> 00:46:12.580 of the year here in Texas and we've got people walking especially walking to school I just 00:46:12.580 --> 00:46:19.340 walked around downtown with my family and and experienced the heat something I am concerned 00:46:19.340 --> 00:46:26.180 about especially for our our younger residents is the effect of the heat on our surfaces 00:46:26.180 --> 00:46:33.200 and in our sidewalks and so something I was wondering that if there's a way I mean I could 00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:38.300 I've got a I've got a temperature gun thing I'm just curious in my neighborhood how hot 00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:46.900 the pavement actually is is there a way we could have the staff do a temperature audit 00:46:46.900 --> 00:46:53.020 especially if we could maybe even just pick a few specific places to find out what are 00:46:53.020 --> 00:46:58.980 what are we dealing with in August and September when especially when kids are going to school 00:46:58.980 --> 00:47:03.940 and then from there once we have that data I know this is not maybe not in the budget 00:47:03.940 --> 00:47:08.540 right now but then that could maybe direct us in the future to think about any solutions 00:47:08.540 --> 00:47:13.740 but I want to address that now while it is really really hot and while we actually could 00:47:13.740 --> 00:47:17.720 gather that data it because I'm assuming it would take a really long time for us to think 00:47:17.720 --> 00:47:25.520 about what to do with that data so I'll ask is that something we can maybe ask a question 00:47:25.520 --> 00:47:33.380 what would you suggest would be a solution to a hot sidewalk in August well I'm not 00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:39.220 I'm not an expert I'm not an expert but there are examples of solutions oh I'm sorry hold 00:47:39.220 --> 00:47:46.620 on hold on just a moment as this is just the so I thought maybe you were adding to the 00:47:46.620 --> 00:47:54.340 question for staff to come back with if that's if it's a clarity that staff may need on direction 00:47:54.340 --> 00:48:01.540 to bring you back something fine but it's just a this is like a future item that is 00:48:01.540 --> 00:48:09.380 placed on the agenda there's no discussion on it other than to explain what you're asking 00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:21.740 I think that that is the crux of what my question is is for me to instead of saying why you 00:48:21.740 --> 00:48:28.260 know flat out well why would you want to know that you know I'm I would hope that we could 00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:34.020 kind of try to figure out to what end are you asking this question there I believe there 00:48:34.020 --> 00:48:40.020 I believe there could be some solutions I don't know if I'm I don't want to offer solutions 00:48:40.020 --> 00:48:46.580 in as we're just saying could we add could we add something to and I know we have also 00:48:46.580 --> 00:48:52.040 we've got a few school areas on the list I believe we were going to be discussing those 00:48:52.040 --> 00:48:58.540 maybe in September so I don't know if that's something we could add to or that's if this 00:48:58.540 --> 00:49:05.460 is a separate item but I would like I would like us to audit some areas in the city for 00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:14.020 the heat and then from there maybe discuss some potential solutions for mitigating some 00:49:14.020 --> 00:49:22.300 of the heat as it as it pertains to it is dangerous for especially for kids exposure 00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:27.100 okay two pieces one I'll follow back out on councilmember Hollins request for some we 00:49:27.100 --> 00:49:30.380 could probably just provide some exhibits rather than having to bring this back on the 00:49:30.380 --> 00:49:35.900 future items so we can we can take care of that in just a report number two is I think 00:49:35.900 --> 00:49:41.940 if we just distill this down for staff to provide a report on what it might take from 00:49:41.940 --> 00:49:47.540 a budget standpoint staffing to evaluate you know the heat of concrete so we can we can 00:49:47.540 --> 00:49:53.180 come back with a report on something to that effect and then that way we kind of eliminate 00:49:53.180 --> 00:49:59.060 kind of getting off posting so if it's a future item a report it's just really we need to 00:49:59.060 --> 00:50:02.260 probably do some fact-finding on what that might look like and if there's any programs 00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:11.620 that exist thank you do I need to say a motion to add or or do we just I believe we've just 00:50:11.620 --> 00:50:21.340 um we can they can write it down and put it on the list yeah all right so it's on the 00:50:21.340 --> 00:50:34.980 list okay okay so um we can move to get someone to move to remove some items the request could 00:50:34.980 --> 00:50:40.340 you please clarify what your request to be to remove yes ma'am so we're asking to remove 00:50:40.340 --> 00:50:46.060 lines nine and ten um and then as scott said in the staff memo uh likely next month we'll 00:50:46.060 --> 00:50:52.740 be able to provide some examples for councilmember holland's request so today just a motion to 00:50:52.740 --> 00:51:01.380 remove items nine and ten all right we get a motion so move all right one second my second 00:51:01.380 --> 00:51:14.340 okay all approved all right all right so move thank you all right thank you and uh our next 00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:20.180 meeting that's in concluding are there any concluding items all right no concluding items 00:51:20.180 --> 00:51:27.380 our next meeting is august 27th 10 a.m in this location preferably and we'll adjourn 00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:33.220 the meeting at 10 51. Thank you everyone. Very nice. Alright.