1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,380 - All right, good morning, everyone. 2 00:00:05,380 --> 00:00:10,640 We are here at the Mobility Committee, Wednesday, July the 30th, 10 a.m. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,220 We're here in the Council Work Session Room. 4 00:00:13,220 --> 00:00:17,100 A quorum is present, so we'll get started. 5 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:21,100 Do we have any citizens' comments on the agenda items? 6 00:00:21,100 --> 00:00:24,520 All right, no citizens' comments. 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,940 We'll move down here to number two, items for individual consideration. 8 00:00:28,940 --> 00:00:39,860 AMC 25-030, consider approval of the minutes of June 25th, 2025. 9 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:43,060 We'll get a motion for approval of the minutes. 10 00:00:43,060 --> 00:00:44,060 - I so move. 11 00:00:44,060 --> 00:00:45,060 - Give me a second. 12 00:00:45,060 --> 00:00:48,060 All right, I'll second. 13 00:00:48,060 --> 00:00:51,120 So did you get a chance? 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,560 You've been here since then, right? 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,880 Ms. Jane is new on our committee here. 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,900 So all in favor? 17 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:00,900 - Aye. 18 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:01,900 - Aye. 19 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:02,900 Okay. 20 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:10,300 So we'll move to BMC 25-031, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of 21 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:15,400 Denton Transportation Mobility Project status report. 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,340 Try to squeeze it in in 30 minutes. 23 00:01:18,340 --> 00:01:19,340 That's what they said. 24 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:20,340 - Don't ask any questions. 25 00:01:20,340 --> 00:01:21,340 - That's what they said on the paper. 26 00:01:21,340 --> 00:01:34,980 All right, so we are going to be talking about various projects on this report. 27 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:41,380 Right now, the total of those projects that we are going to be talking about is just a 28 00:01:41,380 --> 00:01:45,020 bit over $5 billion in total. 29 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:50,080 There is a glossary at the end of your report, if you have it, that tells you what I mean 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,540 when I say words that you don't understand because it's a whole new language for transportation. 31 00:01:54,540 --> 00:02:02,780 The I-35 North project goes from 77 in the south all the way north to the county line. 32 00:02:02,780 --> 00:02:07,280 The yellow main thing on this project is the yellow section has now been broken up into 33 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,180 three different CSJs. 34 00:02:10,180 --> 00:02:14,620 It was roughly $550 million in total. 35 00:02:14,620 --> 00:02:22,540 The highway commission decided that the last couple of times they put out projects over 36 00:02:22,540 --> 00:02:27,340 $250 million, they got fewer bidders and less competition. 37 00:02:27,340 --> 00:02:34,500 So they broke this project into about $150 million increments to entice smaller companies 38 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:37,180 to bid on them. 39 00:02:37,180 --> 00:02:42,900 And that required us to redo the plan sets to make it into three sets instead of one, 40 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:48,980 which pushed out our lets for those projects into the 28, 29 timeframe. 41 00:02:48,980 --> 00:02:55,620 But the funding is still fully there at the $801 million in those different categories. 42 00:02:55,620 --> 00:02:58,340 Category four is connectivity. 43 00:02:58,340 --> 00:03:02,660 Category 11 is intersections. 44 00:03:02,660 --> 00:03:06,620 And then category 12 is commission, the highway commission, the Texas Highway Commission. 45 00:03:06,620 --> 00:03:08,780 They select those fundings where they go. 46 00:03:08,780 --> 00:03:09,780 All right. 47 00:03:09,780 --> 00:03:12,460 Can I ask you one question? 48 00:03:12,460 --> 00:03:13,460 Absolutely. 49 00:03:13,460 --> 00:03:15,940 It's just a question. 50 00:03:15,940 --> 00:03:20,860 Will you please describe, when you use the term let, because we have a new member, a 51 00:03:20,860 --> 00:03:25,340 couple of new members, and I believe he's been in front of you yet before. 52 00:03:25,340 --> 00:03:26,340 I don't think so. 53 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:27,340 This is your first time? 54 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:29,380 I don't let him come very often anymore. 55 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:30,380 Okay. 56 00:03:30,380 --> 00:03:31,380 What? 57 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:34,380 I mean, you know. 58 00:03:34,380 --> 00:03:36,100 Can you describe what let means? 59 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:38,780 Because we're going to be hearing that a lot as we go through this presentation. 60 00:03:38,780 --> 00:03:46,180 So the let date is when they actually put this document on the street for a contractor to 61 00:03:46,180 --> 00:03:47,180 bid. 62 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:53,980 The ready to let date is when the schematic has been approved, the environmental assessment 63 00:03:53,980 --> 00:03:58,820 has been cleared, the right of way is acquired, and the utilities are relocated. 64 00:03:58,820 --> 00:04:04,140 And if you'll look, there are dates that range for these CSJs, which is when you hear CSJ, 65 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:06,660 it's like a social security number for a project. 66 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:13,700 So just like we have numbers that track us in the world, these projects have numbers 67 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:15,940 that track them in the world. 68 00:04:15,940 --> 00:04:20,900 So the utilities are down here, and everything on the report, when you look at the report, 69 00:04:20,900 --> 00:04:25,300 anything that's yellow is different from the report you saw last month. 70 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:31,700 So you don't have to try to figure out what changed when you were using your little hieroglyphic 71 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:35,780 calamity jane decoder ring, you'll just see it when you see it. 72 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:38,740 And it's broken out by CSJs. 73 00:04:38,740 --> 00:04:44,700 And when these are all done and moved, and after the project's been cleared, right of 74 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:49,860 way is acquired, utilities are relocated, that makes the project ready to let. 75 00:04:49,860 --> 00:04:54,940 So any time after these dates, the project can go to construction if you have the construction 76 00:04:54,940 --> 00:04:55,940 funding. 77 00:04:55,940 --> 00:04:59,740 And if the project on your report has money in the construction funding category, that 78 00:04:59,740 --> 00:05:01,300 means it does have funding. 79 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:06,180 If there's an asterisk or to be determined, that means it isn't. 80 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:13,180 And that means that that project that we're clearing, designing and right of way relocation 81 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:17,660 and utility relocation, we're doing it in what I call faith-based engineering, you're 82 00:05:17,660 --> 00:05:21,700 getting it ready, assuming that by the time it's ready, the funding will be available. 83 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:37,820 Nice to meet you, Lauren. 84 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:40,260 You were talking about the funding. 85 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:45,860 Can you help remind us where that funding has come from so that we can do these really 86 00:05:45,860 --> 00:05:46,860 big projects? 87 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:47,860 Correct. 88 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:52,020 So basically it's state and federal funding. 89 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:59,460 So when you pay a diagallon of gas, 38 cents comes into the gas tax revenue, 18 cents goes 90 00:05:59,460 --> 00:06:03,140 to the feds, 20 cents goes to the state, but the state uses the majority of that money 91 00:06:03,140 --> 00:06:07,640 to be the local match to the feds for their federal dollars. 92 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,900 And so these categories that you'll see, they're also in the back of the report, those are 93 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:16,120 the only categories there are for funding for on-system projects. 94 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,940 So category two is federal dollars. 95 00:06:19,940 --> 00:06:23,380 Category four is state dollars completely. 96 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:28,020 Category 11 and 12 are state dollars completely. 97 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:34,660 And so category five and seven, which are your air quality, because we're in a non-attainment, 98 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:35,980 those are federal dollars. 99 00:06:35,980 --> 00:06:43,260 And then your surface transportation block grant funds, which is the CAT7, are federal 100 00:06:43,260 --> 00:06:47,860 dollars that can be used both on a state highway and on a local street as long as the local 101 00:06:47,860 --> 00:06:56,860 street is large enough to be considered a functionally classified state, a federal facility. 102 00:06:56,860 --> 00:07:00,060 So the category in the back tells you what they are. 103 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:01,060 Okay. 104 00:07:01,060 --> 00:07:02,060 Thank you. 105 00:07:02,060 --> 00:07:04,540 But it all comes from the state or the feds or the county. 106 00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:05,540 Good. 107 00:07:05,540 --> 00:07:06,540 Thanks. 108 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:07,540 Yes, sir? 109 00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:10,460 Madam Chair, maybe it might be helpful. 110 00:07:10,460 --> 00:07:17,660 John Polster is with Innovative Transportation Solutions and maybe, well, he's our consultant. 111 00:07:17,660 --> 00:07:21,740 So if, John, you want to give a little background on really kind of who you are, some introductions 112 00:07:21,740 --> 00:07:26,980 might be helpful for everyone, and that way this might make a little bit more sense. 113 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:29,780 I'm totally not objecting to that. 114 00:07:29,780 --> 00:07:30,780 Okay. 115 00:07:30,780 --> 00:07:35,780 So I, my name is John Polster, I work with Innovative Transportation Solutions. 116 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:40,740 We are a consultant that's worked for the city for a couple of decades at least. 117 00:07:40,740 --> 00:07:47,100 And our job is to help the city regulate and get through the state highway process for 118 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:49,180 getting projects done. 119 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:54,020 And the reason that's important to a city, they're not, those aren't the responsibility 120 00:07:54,020 --> 00:08:00,900 of the city, but almost 80% of the traffic that moves around the city moves on state 121 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:02,300 roads. 122 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:07,280 So as goes the state road, so goes the quality of life in the city. 123 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:14,980 So the city has retained our services for over the years to not only tell you what's 124 00:08:14,980 --> 00:08:23,060 going on, but also to effectively assert the city's desires into those projects and those 125 00:08:23,060 --> 00:08:28,780 timelines so that the projects get done as timely as possible and is consistent with 126 00:08:28,780 --> 00:08:32,540 what the city's hopes, desires, and dreams are. 127 00:08:32,540 --> 00:08:35,380 Does that work? 128 00:08:35,380 --> 00:08:42,100 And these people are very good about having those public conversations about what's going 129 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:43,340 on. 130 00:08:43,340 --> 00:08:50,740 I think that we as a community could stand to be more interested, you know, in it, especially 131 00:08:50,740 --> 00:08:54,380 since we're so, so many of us are new people. 132 00:08:54,380 --> 00:08:58,100 So we'll just let him go ahead and finish up. 133 00:08:58,100 --> 00:09:00,660 But that's pretty much what's going on. 134 00:09:00,660 --> 00:09:05,820 And once the schematic has been approved, that, before that, is that when there, we've 135 00:09:05,820 --> 00:09:09,620 already done the process of asking for community. 136 00:09:09,620 --> 00:09:13,980 So what happens on the schematic is the schematic is, the difference between the schematic and 137 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:17,740 you'll see down there it says 100% plans, the difference between the schematic and the 138 00:09:17,740 --> 00:09:21,460 plans is the schematic tells you where the project is in the world, so it tells you how 139 00:09:21,460 --> 00:09:25,820 many people it's going to impact, whether it's going to cut that hill down or whether 140 00:09:25,820 --> 00:09:28,340 it's going to fill in that low spot. 141 00:09:28,340 --> 00:09:30,060 So it tells you what the impacts are. 142 00:09:30,060 --> 00:09:35,260 And so that once that schematic's been approved, that footprint is then environmentally cleared 143 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:36,980 by through the federal process. 144 00:09:36,980 --> 00:09:43,260 And during that, those run concurrent for a lot of it, but typically by the time a project 145 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:49,980 gets environmentally cleared, it has gone through two, three, four public meetings with 146 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:55,420 feedback and forth, and then one final public hearing with the public. 147 00:09:55,420 --> 00:10:00,020 And then monthly coordination with the city stakeholders on these projects. 148 00:10:00,020 --> 00:10:11,120 So the point I think Councilperson Byrd is making is that we try to get this information 149 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:17,420 out to people, but you'd be surprised at how many people are gobslapped when they don't 150 00:10:17,420 --> 00:10:18,940 know what's going on. 151 00:10:18,940 --> 00:10:20,180 We try. 152 00:10:20,180 --> 00:10:24,560 Okay, the next project down is from '77 down to the merge. 153 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:28,540 This is under construction right now. 154 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:33,440 And this is a project that was picked up by SEMA Construction. 155 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,500 You'll see it down there in the bottom for $588 million. 156 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:37,780 They had two bidders on this one. 157 00:10:37,780 --> 00:10:40,860 This is why they broke up the other projects. 158 00:10:40,860 --> 00:10:45,380 That was the low bid, and it was $100 million over the original estimate. 159 00:10:45,380 --> 00:10:52,500 And both of the firms were required to not submit a proposal for more than 56 months, 160 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:55,260 and both of them submitted 56 months. 161 00:10:55,260 --> 00:10:57,180 So this project is under construction. 162 00:10:57,180 --> 00:11:02,700 You drive out there, you see it, you can see the direct connects structures are built in 163 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:06,800 for the 35E to 35W direct connect. 164 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,900 So this project, there's a construction report I'll show you, but right now we're showing 165 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:17,980 you the contractual completion date of November 29, and that's the same as right here on the 166 00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:18,980 report. 167 00:11:18,980 --> 00:11:23,460 We call it contractual is because these contractors are going to get behind, or they're going 168 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:29,580 to get ahead, and they true up that date as they get closer to the end. 169 00:11:29,580 --> 00:11:33,100 And so the actual completion date will be whatever the actual completion date is, but 170 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:39,420 they don't report to us those changes in the schedule until the very end of the project. 171 00:11:39,420 --> 00:11:43,260 And what we try to do on these reports when you're reading them is we try to give you 172 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:45,620 what they're doing right now. 173 00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:48,540 We try to give you a brief description of what they did last month so you can see what 174 00:11:48,540 --> 00:11:52,420 they're progressing, and then what's planned for the following month. 175 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:58,820 And then what I look at mostly are these last four items, anything impacting traffic issues, 176 00:11:58,820 --> 00:12:02,700 any plans and changes in the traffic because that's where we get caught flat footed if 177 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:06,780 we don't know they're going to do a change in traffic patterns or people get freaked 178 00:12:06,780 --> 00:12:12,860 out so we try to know in advance, and anything else that's impacting the project completion 179 00:12:12,860 --> 00:12:14,060 date. 180 00:12:14,060 --> 00:12:15,700 So that's the merge. 181 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:20,220 We're doing six lanes in all directions, we're doing a braided ramp, which means you get 182 00:12:20,220 --> 00:12:26,700 on and off at the same place, the on ramp goes over, the exit goes under. 183 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:34,580 So it'll get rid of all that congestion along that corridor. 184 00:12:34,580 --> 00:12:38,340 And then if that's not worse, you want to try to escape going down southeast. 185 00:12:38,340 --> 00:12:40,340 Oh, my apologies. 186 00:12:40,340 --> 00:12:50,140 What exactly is that southern boundary on I-35E, on 35E? 187 00:12:50,140 --> 00:12:52,020 Just north of North Texas Boulevard. 188 00:12:52,020 --> 00:12:53,700 Oh, okay. 189 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:59,380 So you notice we pulled out that ramp, the ramp there right by the Coliseum. 190 00:12:59,380 --> 00:13:01,700 What is that music playing? 191 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:02,700 Armadillo? 192 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:03,700 Yes. 193 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:08,020 So just north of North Texas Boulevard, all the way around. 194 00:13:08,020 --> 00:13:13,020 And how far, and where does it, does it go as far as 2499 on 35W? 195 00:13:13,020 --> 00:13:16,020 No, no, 2449. 196 00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:20,180 So there's a no man's land there that nobody wants to do. 197 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:23,500 So we're stopping just north of the railroad track. 198 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:27,860 So we're stopping just north of the 35W railroad track. 199 00:13:27,860 --> 00:13:34,260 And then the frontage road project that we'll get to in a second stops just south of it. 200 00:13:34,260 --> 00:13:37,420 So that's still going to be no man's land. 201 00:13:37,420 --> 00:13:41,020 Nobody wants to, it's a huge project cost for. 202 00:13:41,020 --> 00:13:45,860 Okay so if I miss my exit to Bonnie Bray, I'm still going to have to go to 2449? 203 00:13:45,860 --> 00:13:46,860 Correct. 204 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:47,860 Okay. 205 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:51,100 Then I missed that exit. 206 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:52,100 Don't miss it. 207 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:56,020 So if you're trying to avoid the northern part of the city with the merge, and you think 208 00:13:56,020 --> 00:14:04,260 you're going to escape southeast on 35E, we're fixing to, in June, let this project at Mayhill, 209 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:06,660 and just to put this project in perspective. 210 00:14:06,660 --> 00:14:09,260 This project has 12 lanes under it. 211 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:15,180 So 2499 and Mayhill will go under 35 at this location, and there'll be 12 lanes of traffic 212 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:16,300 under it. 213 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:21,780 To put that in perspective for the new folks, there are only 10 lanes under 35 at loop 288 214 00:14:21,780 --> 00:14:23,020 at the mall. 215 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:28,700 So this one will be two lanes wider, bigger, than the interchange at the mall. 216 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:34,060 Plus, if you're spending time over here, you get stuck on the frontage road at Brinker, 217 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:35,820 at that Brinker signal. 218 00:14:35,820 --> 00:14:41,300 This provides a bypass frontage road that comes up and over Brinker so that you don't 219 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:42,300 have to stop. 220 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:45,900 If you want to stop at Brinker, you'll use the outside frontage road lanes. 221 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:50,300 If you want to continue on north to 288, you'll do the inside frontage road lane. 222 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:52,100 You go up and over without stopping. 223 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,540 Same in the reverse on the south side. 224 00:14:54,540 --> 00:14:59,580 You'll have a direct connect between 288 and Mayhill without having to stop at Brinker. 225 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:02,460 You can, but you won't have to. 226 00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:06,780 This project goes under the knife, starts in June, so it'll probably go under the knife 227 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:11,700 probably September when the contractor shows up, because they have about 60 to 90 days 228 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:19,620 of mobilization to get their barricades up, their bonds certified and all that stuff. 229 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:21,340 So we let it in June. 230 00:15:21,340 --> 00:15:28,940 You usually don't see anything until August or September on that project. 231 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:34,220 I think that's going to be my favorite project next after the Mayhill one. 232 00:15:34,220 --> 00:15:36,460 It's sure needed. 233 00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:38,180 What's the expected completion or timeline? 234 00:15:38,180 --> 00:15:40,020 I'm sorry, I couldn't see that on the... 235 00:15:40,020 --> 00:15:41,020 It's not. 236 00:15:41,020 --> 00:15:44,900 So what happens is we have an estimate. 237 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:50,640 It's probably going to be another 54-month project because it's huge. 238 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:57,340 But the estimate not only has an estimate on the cost, we have an estimate on the time. 239 00:15:57,340 --> 00:16:02,300 But when the contractors bid it, they bid both time and money. 240 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:08,580 So whoever gets awarded, we go look in their bid document and if it says 56 months or 54 241 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:14,300 months or 28 months, we go into their bid document and look and they rent the barricades. 242 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:19,540 So if they've rent the barricades for four years, that's how long the contractor thinks 243 00:16:19,540 --> 00:16:20,540 the project will last. 244 00:16:20,540 --> 00:16:25,420 And so that's when we start using that to give us an estimated completion date. 245 00:16:25,420 --> 00:16:28,700 But once the contract's signed, there will be a completion date on the contract and then 246 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:32,060 we'll replace that with the actual contract completion date. 247 00:16:32,060 --> 00:16:33,060 Okay. 248 00:16:33,060 --> 00:16:43,260 Okay, as I said a minute ago, the project to the Southwest, we're doing frontage roads 249 00:16:43,260 --> 00:16:49,620 from 2449 down to 407 where we've got an interim improvement, which means we're only doing 250 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:53,980 certain interchanges to their completion. 251 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:58,020 And it's 213 million and it stops at 2449. 252 00:16:58,020 --> 00:17:04,980 So the merged job in this area, you can see this creek area, the railroad tracks right 253 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:06,100 up in here somewhere. 254 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:10,660 So we stopped short of it and then the merged job stops north of it. 255 00:17:10,660 --> 00:17:16,500 So there's this area on the creek area where while the schematics been done, nobody's wanting 256 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:22,020 to take on the job of building it. 257 00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:25,500 So you don't have a contractor for this? 258 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:27,940 We have it environmentally cleared. 259 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:35,380 So we know what we're going to do, but nobody's willing to pick up the PS&E and the design 260 00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:37,300 and then champion it. 261 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:42,100 The county's more interested in the frontage roads all the way along 35W south of here 262 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:50,660 because you see in your own city the developments going on from 2449 south. 263 00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:52,980 And this calls for frontage roads on both sides? 264 00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:53,980 Correct. 265 00:17:53,980 --> 00:17:54,980 Frontage roads. 266 00:17:54,980 --> 00:17:58,980 And that's all we're doing in this job is just adding frontage roads. 267 00:17:58,980 --> 00:18:02,060 And if you go out there and drive it, you'll see the reason why there aren't any frontage 268 00:18:02,060 --> 00:18:06,780 roads out there right now is because we couldn't build 35W the way it was built originally. 269 00:18:06,780 --> 00:18:12,660 That goes through a lot of floodplain area and they just build it on field for most of 270 00:18:12,660 --> 00:18:14,220 the corridors on field. 271 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:18,260 And then when they get to a major creek crossing, they would just bridge the creek crossing. 272 00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:24,740 Now with the way the rules are, most of this frontage road will be elevated on structure, 273 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:29,820 which is why it costs so much. 274 00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:37,500 Will all future frontage roads have a -- I don't know how to phrase this -- a reasonable 275 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:44,220 terminus where they will either exit onto the interstate or a Texas turnaround or something? 276 00:18:44,220 --> 00:18:45,220 Yeah. 277 00:18:45,220 --> 00:18:46,220 So -- 278 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:47,220 Sometimes they just stop. 279 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:48,220 Yes, they do. 280 00:18:48,220 --> 00:18:54,980 But this project picks them up north of 2449 and carries them all the way through 407. 281 00:18:54,980 --> 00:18:59,420 So when I'm involved in a project, we don't -- we try not to do stupid stuff. 282 00:18:59,420 --> 00:19:04,540 And we got enough money to not do stupid on this one. 283 00:19:04,540 --> 00:19:06,260 Thank you. 284 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:07,260 Okay. 285 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:08,260 All right. 286 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:17,380 I'm not going to tell my story about when I started this project. 287 00:19:17,380 --> 00:19:19,820 But this is a loop 28 West frontage road project. 288 00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:22,380 It is a full controlled access facility. 289 00:19:22,380 --> 00:19:27,020 What that means is it will have main lanes and frontage roads and grade separations. 290 00:19:27,020 --> 00:19:30,820 So it will act as if it is a freeway. 291 00:19:30,820 --> 00:19:38,940 And one of the things we're trying to do is ultimately being able to remove truck traffic 292 00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:43,500 from coming through Denton, we'll be able to route them on the loop around the city 293 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:48,740 to get them -- if a lot of traffic wants to come through here and go to 38 and go west 294 00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:54,220 or east, we're going to -- once we get this road done, we're going to route the traffic, 295 00:19:54,220 --> 00:19:59,500 the truck traffic, away from downtown out and around on these loops. 296 00:19:59,500 --> 00:20:03,300 Right now you'll see this as pending funding. 297 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:09,220 When you see category 3 and 7 in those small amounts, those are just holding dollars to 298 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:15,580 keep it in the plan because the plan is -- the unified transportation plan is financially 299 00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:16,580 constrained. 300 00:20:16,580 --> 00:20:19,740 So you can't be in the plan if you don't have any funding associated with the project. 301 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:22,740 So those are -- those are holding dollars. 302 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:30,980 They're real, but they're irrelevant when you want to do a $250 million project. 303 00:20:30,980 --> 00:20:35,260 I think I'm going to change my mind and say that's probably my favorite project right 304 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:36,260 now. 305 00:20:36,260 --> 00:20:37,260 Okay. 306 00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:40,540 So you're going to bring those large vehicles off the corridor there. 307 00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:44,300 Well, the next one that you're going to like because this is the northern part. 308 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:45,300 Yes. 309 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:51,180 So the northern part of loop 288 has been controlled from development and because we 310 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:56,780 -- the city and the county and the state all agreed 30 years ago that we wanted to protect 311 00:20:56,780 --> 00:21:00,060 this corridor to stay ultimately -- it could be a freeway. 312 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:05,620 So right now the county is doing an environmental clearance to add frontage roads to the roads 313 00:21:05,620 --> 00:21:06,620 that are already out there. 314 00:21:06,620 --> 00:21:08,620 The roads that are already out there are main lanes. 315 00:21:08,620 --> 00:21:09,620 Oh, okay. 316 00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:14,820 So we're adding the frontage roads on the outside and the grade separations along that 317 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:21,620 corridor and then a direct connection, a main lane direct connection from 288 to 380 because 318 00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:25,460 ultimately 380 will be a freeway as well. 319 00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:30,460 So we're planning for that and so once this project is done with the loop 288 on the other 320 00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:35,500 side you'll be able to drive on a freeway cross section all the way around the city 321 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:36,500 of Denton. 322 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:42,820 The truck traffic driving on 380, once this connection is made over to 380 in the west, 323 00:21:42,820 --> 00:21:47,300 with this project we can take these people and move them up around and over as opposed 324 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:51,060 to having to come through downtown Denton. 325 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:54,100 That's the intent. 326 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:55,100 Awesome. 327 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:56,100 Okay. 328 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:57,460 And this -- okay. 329 00:21:57,460 --> 00:22:04,620 Right here, this little piece right here on the end, that is the Bonney Brace segment 330 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:09,100 and the city and the county has been building Bonney Brace segments from the south all the 331 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:15,260 way north and this was going to be segment seven but we got TechStat and the MPO, the 332 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:21,980 planning organization, which controls the federal dollars, to agree to fund this project. 333 00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:27,220 So when we -- they agreed to fund it, we just put it in the environmental clearance document 334 00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:31,900 for the totality because we would have to clear it as a standalone job and so we just 335 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:36,700 added it to the big job but I show it as a separate project because y'all's report show 336 00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:43,300 Bonney Brace is segment seven but it's part of the big loop job now. 337 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:54,420 FM 1515, this is taking that two-lane hogback road where all the commercial is and widening 338 00:22:54,420 --> 00:23:00,900 it to a six-lane divided urban, which means curb and gutter, and right now if you're trying 339 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:05,980 to get out to Fort Worth Airport Drive and all that stuff, it's kind of hard where the 340 00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:12,740 city and the contractor for TechStat are wanting to be in the same spot at the same time and 341 00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:15,760 there's that same thing like in Back to the Future where if they come together there's 342 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:21,220 a confluence of paradigm that will destroy the known fabric of the universe so we're 343 00:23:21,220 --> 00:23:28,140 trying to work through that. 344 00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:32,660 And then further to the north, 1173, we're rerouting. 345 00:23:32,660 --> 00:23:37,860 Right now to get to 1173 you come to the loop and then you got to come up, you make a U-turn, 346 00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:39,620 come back and go this way. 347 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:45,020 We are the city's thoroughfare plan shows it so we're widening to six lanes or rerouting 348 00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:51,140 1173 up to Barthole Road so you'll be tying right into that 77 job and this intersection 349 00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:55,940 is being done with that merged project that I showed you earlier and then we're working 350 00:23:55,940 --> 00:24:02,180 through some trauma with Crum on they're losing some parking and they're wanting us to look 351 00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:08,380 at a couplet but that won't work, we'll explain that later but we're working through the process 352 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:09,380 on this one. 353 00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:11,780 What's a couplet, please? 354 00:24:11,780 --> 00:24:17,100 Like Lewisville Main Street when you go down you go one way eastbound and then you turn 355 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:22,260 around and go one way westbound so it's still the same road it's just going it breaks off 356 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:28,500 and goes it's a circle so that you don't have all the traffic on one road. 357 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:29,500 Like Elm and Locust here. 358 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:37,260 Elm and Locust, why didn't I use that one? 359 00:24:37,260 --> 00:24:41,740 I'm good with money, that's my claim to fame. 360 00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:47,820 Okay so this is the blob map and we do this for a purpose probably by the next time I 361 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:54,900 see y'all we'll show you the actual two alignments but we started with probably 700 alignments 362 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:59,340 out here it looked like somebody threw spaghetti on the wall but the intent is to get from 363 00:24:59,340 --> 00:25:07,260 the Collin County line to 35 and Collin County has an area where they brought the outer loop 364 00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:13,060 to our county line that ties into the extension of the toll road north. 365 00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:19,700 We have to cross the green belt at 428 that's what the court requires us to cross and we're 366 00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:25,180 tying in at Milam Road for two reasons one that's where your city surfer plan shows it 367 00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:33,300 and two the county has just bought a ton of land on the west side of 35 there by Milam 368 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:37,060 and that's where they want the connection to be and since the county's paying for the 369 00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:40,180 study they decided that's what they wanted to do. 370 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:43,420 So that's the side of the expo center. 371 00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:51,460 Correct we are next time we show this to you there'll be two routes this is a this project 372 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:55,500 is going through what there are levels of environmental clearance the easiest is called 373 00:25:55,500 --> 00:26:01,740 a programmatic categorical exclusion which means if you meet a checklist they certify 374 00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:06,020 you meet the checklist you move on the next step is a categorical exclusion which means 375 00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:10,060 you do everything you do with a normal environmental assessment process but you don't have as much 376 00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:11,060 public involvement. 377 00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:17,020 Then you have an environmental assessment which is normally what one does on these projects 378 00:26:17,020 --> 00:26:21,740 and it has significant public involvement and then the highest level is environmental 379 00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:27,300 impact statement or EIS and that takes twice as long twice as many public involvements 380 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:32,460 and you have to carry two alignments through the full environmental process. 381 00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:36,940 So an environmental assessment eventually get to the what's called the technically locally 382 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:44,100 preferred and that's the one you clear on an EIS because of the sensitivity of the corridor 383 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:49,100 you had to carry two viable alternatives all the way through the environmental clearance 384 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:54,780 process and let the environmental clearance process tell you which one is least impacted. 385 00:26:54,780 --> 00:27:01,060 So that's what we're doing and we're supposed to be done by roughly this time next year. 386 00:27:01,060 --> 00:27:06,980 You know I have a feeling Councilmember Beck was in here that would have just been so so 387 00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:11,740 stirring since he's our environmental guy. 388 00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:17,300 Just to put it in perspective the region worked with COG in 2016 that's how far ahead we were 389 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:23,660 looking at this project to allocate 50 million dollars to cross the green belt because you 390 00:27:23,660 --> 00:27:33,060 either avoid which we can't avoid you mitigate you minimize you mitigate or you enhance. 391 00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:40,020 So we can't avoid and we're not going to minimize and mitigation is a good thing to do but we're 392 00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:41,020 going to enhance. 393 00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:46,980 So we're going to come in and give them significantly more we'll go buy stuff we'll go we'll go 394 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:54,540 fix our trails I mean we'll go well beyond the call at the green belt because it's important 395 00:27:54,540 --> 00:28:00,300 to the county and so we have a commitment to this region and this also is a project 396 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,140 just for the environmentalists and everybody. 397 00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:10,740 All the water flows from basically Denton southeast into into Dallas County along the 398 00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:16,420 Trinity Corridor we're building a 23 mile long dam so on all those tributaries small 399 00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:22,320 or large where we're crossing we are going to be purchasing at least all the way up to 400 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:28,140 the floodplain maybe more feet simple and then we're going to impound water and we're 401 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:31,980 not impounding water because we don't want to go to Dallas we're impounding water because 402 00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:38,060 we're going to in the concurrence of building the road we are going to be inventing best 403 00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:45,040 management practices which means you do it naturally methods for recharging the aquifer. 404 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,060 So we're not going to let the water just escape to Dallas and then go that way we're going 405 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:53,340 to hold it and find a way to recharge the aquifers because we're at the head you were 406 00:28:53,340 --> 00:29:00,340 to what is it to tell when tell into the aquifer so it's really important that we do something 407 00:29:00,340 --> 00:29:01,340 for the aquifer. 408 00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:07,500 What will happen to that bridge that old iron bridge it depends. 409 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:13,300 So we have three alternatives one of which we will not do but we had to show it is a 410 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:18,100 stacked alternative where you had the frontage roads on the bottom and the main lanes on 411 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:26,540 top and you stay within 150 feet right away that's currently out there and that scenario 412 00:29:26,540 --> 00:29:33,540 we have to move the bridge because the it's right next to it so we would move the bridge 413 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:38,620 in the alternative that I'm thinking we're going to land on. 414 00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:42,900 So the other end of the spectrum is we just come through there with a 500 feet and we 415 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:47,020 tear everything up and we move everything and then we go buy more land for them and 416 00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:52,460 then we rehabilitate it and all that stuff the interim the middle options I think we're 417 00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:58,180 going to do is we go from 500 feet to about 350 feet but we take all of that right away 418 00:29:58,180 --> 00:30:04,740 off the south side right so we leave the bridge where it is and then we do a lot of trail 419 00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:10,340 work in and around our project that's the enhancement part to not only reconnect it 420 00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:19,300 but to maybe build trailheads additional park amenities etc. so the Corps and Texas Parks 421 00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:23,940 and Wildlife will tell us Texas Parks and Wildlife doesn't want it to necessarily move 422 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:27,340 the Corps of Engineers wants the 50 million so they don't care if they have to move the 423 00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:31,100 bridge to get it so to be determined. 424 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:37,020 Well I know this is some really really heavy conversation in here and we're learning quite 425 00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:43,380 a bit all right and this is your I can tell you're you know this is your thing which is 426 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:48,740 great we have people like you in our world but I know we must move on okay well we are 427 00:30:48,740 --> 00:30:53,580 done how about that oh and we're done this are the acronyms you all need to know what 428 00:30:53,580 --> 00:31:00,540 I just said go look it up all right thank you very much Mr. Poster anybody else have 429 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:08,540 any questions comments any concerns well we are doing good thank you sir this gentleman 430 00:31:08,540 --> 00:31:16,020 has been let me see this is my fifth year and we've been together and I was teasing 431 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:22,680 a bit earlier because I've seen all of this starting to shrink you know shrink down so 432 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,700 now we only have 30 minutes of gentlemen where we used to have an hour you know so I'm glad 433 00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:34,780 to see that we are progressing in our world and we still have well thank you Scott thanks 434 00:31:34,780 --> 00:31:58,500 thank you so we'll move on to see MC 25 there's 033 staff morning chair and mobility committee 435 00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:11,020 members for Han but deputy director transportation services division for the safety improvements 436 00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:16,420 recommendations that were raised in the last mobility committee meeting we have initiated 437 00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:23,860 the process there are a couple of elements that we could expedite when it comes to the 438 00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:31,460 approval process including posted speed is in consideration but it is a very specific 439 00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:36,160 item where we'll have to do much more research but some of some other items include no parking 440 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:45,540 signages and and no turning on red and school zones so so we will develop the process this 441 00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:51,180 coordination with the legal department and also with CMO and then based on their guidelines 442 00:32:51,180 --> 00:33:01,260 we'll develop the process for expediting these approvals thank you and for the if the next 443 00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:07,260 item will be covered here or we are going to the yes let's let's keep going okay so 444 00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:13,580 the for the potential I'm sorry okay I'm just looking down does anybody have any questions 445 00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:19,740 or any comments on the streamline recommendation for safety implementation and getting all 446 00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:29,700 of the signage and all of that updated and being all right no questions then keep moving 447 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:38,700 on okay thank you so for potential sponsorship opportunities for bollards and other traffic 448 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:46,780 operations implementations we staff cited some examples from New York San Francisco 449 00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:55,060 San Diego yes the cities are much bigger than Denton but it's hard to find examples with 450 00:33:55,060 --> 00:34:01,980 comparable cities because their margin their projects are limited in nature hence that's 451 00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:08,140 why we provided these collaborative collaboration examples in public private partnership examples 452 00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:12,860 but there are possibilities when it comes to Denton there are possibilities there are 453 00:34:12,860 --> 00:34:21,220 opportunities for such public private partnerships and in particular areas near UNT and TWU 454 00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:29,420 where the bike uses predominant and then separation of mode in terms of public transport is also 455 00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:36,780 warranted in some cases so we will explore these opportunities with economic development 456 00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:47,620 and in CMO and legal department and develop a process for that as well I have a question 457 00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:57,420 have you all thought to and I'm sure you have but just in case that you all know how I feel 458 00:34:57,420 --> 00:35:06,300 about bollards which I don't like bollards but have you all considered bollards in all 459 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:14,340 of the school zone type locations is that too close to residential you know like you 460 00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:22,460 say universities of course would fall into that this is a heavy bike use usage is that 461 00:35:22,460 --> 00:35:30,740 is that well this is this topic is really just about the sponsorship portion he mentioned 462 00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:36,660 bollards but again this is just truly all sponsorship okay so I was just triggered we have another 463 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:41,580 yeah we have another item on bollards all right well well thank you see this is why they're 464 00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:50,620 here I've got a couple questions on there so under I see we've got some examples from 465 00:35:50,620 --> 00:36:02,220 other cities as we kind of build out this idea if business or even like a neighborhood 466 00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:12,700 wanted to fund a project would there be would there be a way for a business or a group to 467 00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:17,220 kind of go in I don't want to say shopping but kind of say like what are the things we 468 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:24,580 could fund is it only bike lanes is it could we fund a sidewalk or could we fund other 469 00:36:24,580 --> 00:36:32,100 facilities that may benefit a small area so what what would those other project potential 470 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:37,660 projects be what are what are you thinking right now so these would depend on case by 471 00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:44,220 case basis context they are context-sensitive there if you are looking at a bollard location 472 00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:49,220 then it is bollards if you're looking at traffic safety enhancements and businesses would like 473 00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:57,620 to chip in or participate in a PPP process that is open so it it when it comes to these 474 00:36:57,620 --> 00:37:05,660 agreements or these PPPs there are a variety of opportunities and I think nothing is off 475 00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:13,060 the list I would go to that extent it all depends on how lucrative it is for businesses 476 00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:23,580 in terms of attracting their clients or users to their shops or businesses so I think it's 477 00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:29,300 it's an arrangement that can happen but typically they are driven by agreements okay and what 478 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:36,700 is a PPP it's public private partnership okay I apologize I should have that's okay so if 479 00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:42,060 and maybe this is a ongoing discussion but if if there is a group that wants to do a 480 00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:48,700 project they would say we have the funding or we're in the process of getting the funding 481 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:53,000 then they would present that to the staff and I'm guessing there would be an approval 482 00:37:53,000 --> 00:38:00,100 process either from council and staff to say yeah that falls within our design or and then 483 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:06,820 with that then if it's funded within the city go and do the work so that it's cohesive and 484 00:38:06,820 --> 00:38:13,580 it falls within the standards the city has set for similar facilities it if Scott wants 485 00:38:13,580 --> 00:38:18,060 to address I can address that but if yeah I think it's well I just want to make sure 486 00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:22,020 we kind of just stay somewhat contained in what we're speaking to you this was really 487 00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:28,620 just getting those initial ideas when we were talking about mobility and all of this really 488 00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:33,620 would have to go through council that council would be supportive so Farhan's just at least 489 00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:38,660 providing some ideas of what some other communities have done and then when we get into the process 490 00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:43,700 detail we'd work through city manager's office to say this is what we would present the council 491 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:49,180 have council at least vet or approve what it is that we might do so questions are great 492 00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:55,860 so we're just that's right early in the process I'm already thinking of the process it's exciting 493 00:38:55,860 --> 00:39:02,180 to it's exciting for I think for citizens or for businesses to have a little bit more 494 00:39:02,180 --> 00:39:09,500 of hands-on or even the kind of a shorter term goal yeah that's yeah just just trying 495 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:13,660 to at least get the concept that it was floated you know two meetings ago and and so here 496 00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:17,420 we are trying to come back at least and say hey here's some concepts this is what some 497 00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:23,400 others have done we just really have to work through a lot of the detail but most importantly 498 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:29,340 whether or not council supports the concept of having businesses fund these types of projects 499 00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:35,860 my my only consider other consideration as much as I think this is a great idea as a 500 00:39:35,860 --> 00:39:43,540 as an option my concern as a citizen and I'm sure council would have a similar concern 501 00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:52,260 is making sure that this type of a idea or program is equitable and that certain parts 502 00:39:52,260 --> 00:40:00,260 of town maybe where there is where there are flourishing businesses or flourishing neighborhoods 503 00:40:00,260 --> 00:40:07,940 well established neighborhoods those may end up getting the nicer or these these projects 504 00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:16,140 completed and then are how would we make sure that other parts of the city are not left 505 00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:22,140 behind where maybe there's a part of town where there is not as much advocacy or businesses 506 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:31,300 that even want to do this and just making sure that pushing these upgrades to businesses 507 00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:42,640 is not is not kicking the can or not make making our city prioritize those things as 508 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,420 these are things that need to be done in our city oh you know I'm saying so instead of 509 00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:54,180 saying we want to we want to continue to fund or budget for these things because we believe 510 00:40:54,180 --> 00:41:00,740 everywhere in or where where it's determined the needs are we want to provide those facilities 511 00:41:00,740 --> 00:41:05,420 I'm a little worried that if it's like well yes but we'll let the businesses take care 512 00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:13,580 of that I want to make sure we we have both so that we're not forgetting yeah we got you 513 00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:21,340 guys I think those are bad I think those are incredibly valid points important to note 514 00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:26,740 and maybe there's an opportunity for some education but the transportation services 515 00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:31,100 group is responsible for putting together a list of priorities of what needs to be done 516 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:35,260 we have the ADA transition plan which will then kind of lay out the the priorities of 517 00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:40,420 what we have to fix that ensures the equitable piece that really we're looking at the safety 518 00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:45,980 concerns and what's required each of the departments have a work plan and so all of this would 519 00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:49,940 have to be in conjunction with that the the points are excellent and that's really what 520 00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:54,300 that policy decision is with council as to how it is that we'd work through CMO come 521 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:58,500 up with what we think would work vetted through council then council would kind of lay that 522 00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:03,760 out but but we already have work plans that would ensure that we are taking care of business 523 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:10,820 across the city regardless of of where the funding is coming from more of what priority 524 00:42:10,820 --> 00:42:16,420 we have to fix what we have to fix or install what we have to install I think we are still 525 00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:25,740 in our needs mode in this city for quite a while and these types of things you know just 526 00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:34,140 fits in where appropriate right and if we're in our want mode then we're not when I don't 527 00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:40,580 know if we're ready for morning so this would give an option if a business sure that's exactly 528 00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:44,540 what what they're saying my only other question would be and I know this is still kind of 529 00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:50,620 an idea so we're talking about businesses I don't know if this would businesses could 530 00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:54,860 collaborate to like let's say there's two or three businesses side by side and they 531 00:42:54,860 --> 00:43:00,420 want to go in together could this also be because some of the examples provided here 532 00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:05,740 I believe in Austin those are actually I don't know if it's a nonprofit but there's there's 533 00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:12,380 kind of community based groups that are seeking that are working on funding could this also 534 00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:18,700 be open to any if there's any new organizations that pop up in Denton that want to work on 535 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:25,940 funding specific projects but they're not necessarily a business so in many cases these 536 00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:32,380 community based groups are also backed by businesses and organizations so they are the 537 00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:39,860 front end of these these arrangements but often you would if further investigated we'll 538 00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:46,580 find that some local retail giant is supporting the cause by community and then community 539 00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:52,660 is a front end and then so I think these arrangements are as Scott mentioned that when the project 540 00:43:52,660 --> 00:43:58,260 proceeds and different parties approach the city those agreements are written they are 541 00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:04,360 vetted by legal they are looked at from many different aspects it's not only the transportation 542 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,300 side but there are there are different aspects to that development review aspect is there 543 00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:13,460 that can we even do that so those questions are addressed when the projects are when the 544 00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:17,340 agreements are initiated and that those are covered for the most part they go through 545 00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:27,100 many rounds of revisions okay great all right sure any questions could not now at our next 546 00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:34,500 meeting could you provide some examples of what those sponsorships would look like sure 547 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:41,700 we could we could do that I just like to see what eat it Joe's you know I mean what what 548 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:47,100 what in the world that looks like when as as people are driving down the street okay 549 00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:54,420 thank you start we'll do that okay um anything else on that I think we're we're done with 550 00:44:54,420 --> 00:45:01,500 that part okay thank you so thank you I'll move on to DMC two five days zero three eight 551 00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:10,420 receive a report hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding future meeting topics 552 00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:19,860 here's Seth and he's up all right so before you begin speaking yes ma'am please tell these 553 00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:25,380 young ladies who you are so good morning my name's Seth Garcia I'm the director of capital 554 00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:31,180 projects so today we're looking at removing a couple items that would be line and ten 555 00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:36,940 so the potential Ballard sponsorships with local businesses we'll add another item Councilmember 556 00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:43,580 Holland for what you just requested and then item ten streamline the implementation of 557 00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:49,520 safety recommendations so that was covered in the staff memo as well otherwise any other 558 00:45:49,520 --> 00:46:03,460 items we would like to add yes hi good to see you Seth so as we are in the hottest part 559 00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:12,580 of the year here in Texas and we've got people walking especially walking to school I just 560 00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:19,340 walked around downtown with my family and and experienced the heat something I am concerned 561 00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:26,180 about especially for our our younger residents is the effect of the heat on our surfaces 562 00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:33,200 and in our sidewalks and so something I was wondering that if there's a way I mean I could 563 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,300 I've got a I've got a temperature gun thing I'm just curious in my neighborhood how hot 564 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:46,900 the pavement actually is is there a way we could have the staff do a temperature audit 565 00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:53,020 especially if we could maybe even just pick a few specific places to find out what are 566 00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:58,980 what are we dealing with in August and September when especially when kids are going to school 567 00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:03,940 and then from there once we have that data I know this is not maybe not in the budget 568 00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:08,540 right now but then that could maybe direct us in the future to think about any solutions 569 00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:13,740 but I want to address that now while it is really really hot and while we actually could 570 00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:17,720 gather that data it because I'm assuming it would take a really long time for us to think 571 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:25,520 about what to do with that data so I'll ask is that something we can maybe ask a question 572 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:33,380 what would you suggest would be a solution to a hot sidewalk in August well I'm not 573 00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:39,220 I'm not an expert I'm not an expert but there are examples of solutions oh I'm sorry hold 574 00:47:39,220 --> 00:47:46,620 on hold on just a moment as this is just the so I thought maybe you were adding to the 575 00:47:46,620 --> 00:47:54,340 question for staff to come back with if that's if it's a clarity that staff may need on direction 576 00:47:54,340 --> 00:48:01,540 to bring you back something fine but it's just a this is like a future item that is 577 00:48:01,540 --> 00:48:09,380 placed on the agenda there's no discussion on it other than to explain what you're asking 578 00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:21,740 I think that that is the crux of what my question is is for me to instead of saying why you 579 00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:28,260 know flat out well why would you want to know that you know I'm I would hope that we could 580 00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:34,020 kind of try to figure out to what end are you asking this question there I believe there 581 00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:40,020 I believe there could be some solutions I don't know if I'm I don't want to offer solutions 582 00:48:40,020 --> 00:48:46,580 in as we're just saying could we add could we add something to and I know we have also 583 00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:52,040 we've got a few school areas on the list I believe we were going to be discussing those 584 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:58,540 maybe in September so I don't know if that's something we could add to or that's if this 585 00:48:58,540 --> 00:49:05,460 is a separate item but I would like I would like us to audit some areas in the city for 586 00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:14,020 the heat and then from there maybe discuss some potential solutions for mitigating some 587 00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:22,300 of the heat as it as it pertains to it is dangerous for especially for kids exposure 588 00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:27,100 okay two pieces one I'll follow back out on councilmember Hollins request for some we 589 00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:30,380 could probably just provide some exhibits rather than having to bring this back on the 590 00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:35,900 future items so we can we can take care of that in just a report number two is I think 591 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:41,940 if we just distill this down for staff to provide a report on what it might take from 592 00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:47,540 a budget standpoint staffing to evaluate you know the heat of concrete so we can we can 593 00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:53,180 come back with a report on something to that effect and then that way we kind of eliminate 594 00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:59,060 kind of getting off posting so if it's a future item a report it's just really we need to 595 00:49:59,060 --> 00:50:02,260 probably do some fact-finding on what that might look like and if there's any programs 596 00:50:02,260 --> 00:50:11,620 that exist thank you do I need to say a motion to add or or do we just I believe we've just 597 00:50:11,620 --> 00:50:21,340 um we can they can write it down and put it on the list yeah all right so it's on the 598 00:50:21,340 --> 00:50:34,980 list okay okay so um we can move to get someone to move to remove some items the request could 599 00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:40,340 you please clarify what your request to be to remove yes ma'am so we're asking to remove 600 00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:46,060 lines nine and ten um and then as scott said in the staff memo uh likely next month we'll 601 00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:52,740 be able to provide some examples for councilmember holland's request so today just a motion to 602 00:50:52,740 --> 00:51:01,380 remove items nine and ten all right we get a motion so move all right one second my second 603 00:51:01,380 --> 00:51:14,340 okay all approved all right all right so move thank you all right thank you and uh our next 604 00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:20,180 meeting that's in concluding are there any concluding items all right no concluding items 605 00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:27,380 our next meeting is august 27th 10 a.m in this location preferably and we'll adjourn 606 00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:33,220 the meeting at 10 51. Thank you everyone. Very nice. Alright.