Jul 30, 2025 Mobility Committee on 2025-07-30 10:00 AM

- All right, good morning, everyone. We are here at the Mobility Committee, Wednesday, July the 30th, 10 a.m. We're here in the Council Work Session Room. A quorum is present, so we'll get started. Do we have any citizens' comments on the agenda items? All right, no citizens' comments. We'll move down here to number two, items for individual consideration. AMC 25-030, consider approval of the minutes of June 25th, 2025. We'll get a motion for approval of the minutes. - I so move. - Give me a second. All right, I'll second. So did you get a chance? You've been here since then, right? Ms. Jane is new on our committee here. So all in favor? - Aye. - Aye. Okay. So we'll move to BMC 25-031, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton Transportation Mobility Project status report. Try to squeeze it in in 30 minutes. That's what they said. - Don't ask any questions. - That's what they said on the paper. All right, so we are going to be talking about various projects on this report. Right now, the total of those projects that we are going to be talking about is just a bit over $5 billion in total. There is a glossary at the end of your report, if you have it, that tells you what I mean when I say words that you don't understand because it's a whole new language for transportation. The I-35 North project goes from 77 in the south all the way north to the county line. The yellow main thing on this project is the yellow section has now been broken up into three different CSJs. It was roughly $550 million in total. The highway commission decided that the last couple of times they put out projects over $250 million, they got fewer bidders and less competition. So they broke this project into about $150 million increments to entice smaller companies to bid on them. And that required us to redo the plan sets to make it into three sets instead of one, which pushed out our lets for those projects into the 28, 29 timeframe. But the funding is still fully there at the $801 million in those different categories. Category four is connectivity. Category 11 is intersections. And then category 12 is commission, the highway commission, the Texas Highway Commission. They select those fundings where they go. All right. Can I ask you one question? Absolutely. It's just a question. Will you please describe, when you use the term let, because we have a new member, a couple of new members, and I believe he's been in front of you yet before. I don't think so. This is your first time? I don't let him come very often anymore. Okay. What? I mean, you know. Can you describe what let means? Because we're going to be hearing that a lot as we go through this presentation. So the let date is when they actually put this document on the street for a contractor to bid. The ready to let date is when the schematic has been approved, the environmental assessment has been cleared, the right of way is acquired, and the utilities are relocated. And if you'll look, there are dates that range for these CSJs, which is when you hear CSJ, it's like a social security number for a project. So just like we have numbers that track us in the world, these projects have numbers that track them in the world. So the utilities are down here, and everything on the report, when you look at the report, anything that's yellow is different from the report you saw last month. So you don't have to try to figure out what changed when you were using your little hieroglyphic calamity jane decoder ring, you'll just see it when you see it. And it's broken out by CSJs. And when these are all done and moved, and after the project's been cleared, right of way is acquired, utilities are relocated, that makes the project ready to let. So any time after these dates, the project can go to construction if you have the construction funding. And if the project on your report has money in the construction funding category, that means it does have funding. If there's an asterisk or to be determined, that means it isn't. And that means that that project that we're clearing, designing and right of way relocation and utility relocation, we're doing it in what I call faith-based engineering, you're getting it ready, assuming that by the time it's ready, the funding will be available. Nice to meet you, Lauren. You were talking about the funding. Can you help remind us where that funding has come from so that we can do these really big projects? Correct. So basically it's state and federal funding. So when you pay a diagallon of gas, 38 cents comes into the gas tax revenue, 18 cents goes to the feds, 20 cents goes to the state, but the state uses the majority of that money to be the local match to the feds for their federal dollars. And so these categories that you'll see, they're also in the back of the report, those are the only categories there are for funding for on-system projects. So category two is federal dollars. Category four is state dollars completely. Category 11 and 12 are state dollars completely. And so category five and seven, which are your air quality, because we're in a non-attainment, those are federal dollars. And then your surface transportation block grant funds, which is the CAT7, are federal dollars that can be used both on a state highway and on a local street as long as the local street is large enough to be considered a functionally classified state, a federal facility. So the category in the back tells you what they are. Okay. Thank you. But it all comes from the state or the feds or the county. Good. Thanks. Yes, sir? Madam Chair, maybe it might be helpful. John Polster is with Innovative Transportation Solutions and maybe, well, he's our consultant. So if, John, you want to give a little background on really kind of who you are, some introductions might be helpful for everyone, and that way this might make a little bit more sense. I'm totally not objecting to that. Okay. So I, my name is John Polster, I work with Innovative Transportation Solutions. We are a consultant that's worked for the city for a couple of decades at least. And our job is to help the city regulate and get through the state highway process for getting projects done. And the reason that's important to a city, they're not, those aren't the responsibility of the city, but almost 80% of the traffic that moves around the city moves on state roads. So as goes the state road, so goes the quality of life in the city. So the city has retained our services for over the years to not only tell you what's going on, but also to effectively assert the city's desires into those projects and those timelines so that the projects get done as timely as possible and is consistent with what the city's hopes, desires, and dreams are. Does that work? And these people are very good about having those public conversations about what's going on. I think that we as a community could stand to be more interested, you know, in it, especially since we're so, so many of us are new people. So we'll just let him go ahead and finish up. But that's pretty much what's going on. And once the schematic has been approved, that, before that, is that when there, we've already done the process of asking for community. So what happens on the schematic is the schematic is, the difference between the schematic and you'll see down there it says 100% plans, the difference between the schematic and the plans is the schematic tells you where the project is in the world, so it tells you how many people it's going to impact, whether it's going to cut that hill down or whether it's going to fill in that low spot. So it tells you what the impacts are. And so that once that schematic's been approved, that footprint is then environmentally cleared by through the federal process. And during that, those run concurrent for a lot of it, but typically by the time a project gets environmentally cleared, it has gone through two, three, four public meetings with feedback and forth, and then one final public hearing with the public. And then monthly coordination with the city stakeholders on these projects. So the point I think Councilperson Byrd is making is that we try to get this information out to people, but you'd be surprised at how many people are gobslapped when they don't know what's going on. We try. Okay, the next project down is from '77 down to the merge. This is under construction right now. And this is a project that was picked up by SEMA Construction. You'll see it down there in the bottom for $588 million. They had two bidders on this one. This is why they broke up the other projects. That was the low bid, and it was $100 million over the original estimate. And both of the firms were required to not submit a proposal for more than 56 months, and both of them submitted 56 months. So this project is under construction. You drive out there, you see it, you can see the direct connects structures are built in for the 35E to 35W direct connect. So this project, there's a construction report I'll show you, but right now we're showing you the contractual completion date of November 29, and that's the same as right here on the report. We call it contractual is because these contractors are going to get behind, or they're going to get ahead, and they true up that date as they get closer to the end. And so the actual completion date will be whatever the actual completion date is, but they don't report to us those changes in the schedule until the very end of the project. And what we try to do on these reports when you're reading them is we try to give you what they're doing right now. We try to give you a brief description of what they did last month so you can see what they're progressing, and then what's planned for the following month. And then what I look at mostly are these last four items, anything impacting traffic issues, any plans and changes in the traffic because that's where we get caught flat footed if we don't know they're going to do a change in traffic patterns or people get freaked out so we try to know in advance, and anything else that's impacting the project completion date. So that's the merge. We're doing six lanes in all directions, we're doing a braided ramp, which means you get on and off at the same place, the on ramp goes over, the exit goes under. So it'll get rid of all that congestion along that corridor. And then if that's not worse, you want to try to escape going down southeast. Oh, my apologies. What exactly is that southern boundary on I-35E, on 35E? Just north of North Texas Boulevard. Oh, okay. So you notice we pulled out that ramp, the ramp there right by the Coliseum. What is that music playing? Armadillo? Yes. So just north of North Texas Boulevard, all the way around. And how far, and where does it, does it go as far as 2499 on 35W? No, no, 2449. So there's a no man's land there that nobody wants to do. So we're stopping just north of the railroad track. So we're stopping just north of the 35W railroad track. And then the frontage road project that we'll get to in a second stops just south of it. So that's still going to be no man's land. Nobody wants to, it's a huge project cost for. Okay so if I miss my exit to Bonnie Bray, I'm still going to have to go to 2449? Correct. Okay. Then I missed that exit. Don't miss it. So if you're trying to avoid the northern part of the city with the merge, and you think you're going to escape southeast on 35E, we're fixing to, in June, let this project at Mayhill, and just to put this project in perspective. This project has 12 lanes under it. So 2499 and Mayhill will go under 35 at this location, and there'll be 12 lanes of traffic under it. To put that in perspective for the new folks, there are only 10 lanes under 35 at loop 288 at the mall. So this one will be two lanes wider, bigger, than the interchange at the mall. Plus, if you're spending time over here, you get stuck on the frontage road at Brinker, at that Brinker signal. This provides a bypass frontage road that comes up and over Brinker so that you don't have to stop. If you want to stop at Brinker, you'll use the outside frontage road lanes. If you want to continue on north to 288, you'll do the inside frontage road lane. You go up and over without stopping. Same in the reverse on the south side. You'll have a direct connect between 288 and Mayhill without having to stop at Brinker. You can, but you won't have to. This project goes under the knife, starts in June, so it'll probably go under the knife probably September when the contractor shows up, because they have about 60 to 90 days of mobilization to get their barricades up, their bonds certified and all that stuff. So we let it in June. You usually don't see anything until August or September on that project. I think that's going to be my favorite project next after the Mayhill one. It's sure needed. What's the expected completion or timeline? I'm sorry, I couldn't see that on the... It's not. So what happens is we have an estimate. It's probably going to be another 54-month project because it's huge. But the estimate not only has an estimate on the cost, we have an estimate on the time. But when the contractors bid it, they bid both time and money. So whoever gets awarded, we go look in their bid document and if it says 56 months or 54 months or 28 months, we go into their bid document and look and they rent the barricades. So if they've rent the barricades for four years, that's how long the contractor thinks the project will last. And so that's when we start using that to give us an estimated completion date. But once the contract's signed, there will be a completion date on the contract and then we'll replace that with the actual contract completion date. Okay. Okay, as I said a minute ago, the project to the Southwest, we're doing frontage roads from 2449 down to 407 where we've got an interim improvement, which means we're only doing certain interchanges to their completion. And it's 213 million and it stops at 2449. So the merged job in this area, you can see this creek area, the railroad tracks right up in here somewhere. So we stopped short of it and then the merged job stops north of it. So there's this area on the creek area where while the schematics been done, nobody's wanting to take on the job of building it. So you don't have a contractor for this? We have it environmentally cleared. So we know what we're going to do, but nobody's willing to pick up the PS&E and the design and then champion it. The county's more interested in the frontage roads all the way along 35W south of here because you see in your own city the developments going on from 2449 south. And this calls for frontage roads on both sides? Correct. Frontage roads. And that's all we're doing in this job is just adding frontage roads. And if you go out there and drive it, you'll see the reason why there aren't any frontage roads out there right now is because we couldn't build 35W the way it was built originally. That goes through a lot of floodplain area and they just build it on field for most of the corridors on field. And then when they get to a major creek crossing, they would just bridge the creek crossing. Now with the way the rules are, most of this frontage road will be elevated on structure, which is why it costs so much. Will all future frontage roads have a -- I don't know how to phrase this -- a reasonable terminus where they will either exit onto the interstate or a Texas turnaround or something? Yeah. So -- Sometimes they just stop. Yes, they do. But this project picks them up north of 2449 and carries them all the way through 407. So when I'm involved in a project, we don't -- we try not to do stupid stuff. And we got enough money to not do stupid on this one. Thank you. Okay. All right. I'm not going to tell my story about when I started this project. But this is a loop 28 West frontage road project. It is a full controlled access facility. What that means is it will have main lanes and frontage roads and grade separations. So it will act as if it is a freeway. And one of the things we're trying to do is ultimately being able to remove truck traffic from coming through Denton, we'll be able to route them on the loop around the city to get them -- if a lot of traffic wants to come through here and go to 38 and go west or east, we're going to -- once we get this road done, we're going to route the traffic, the truck traffic, away from downtown out and around on these loops. Right now you'll see this as pending funding. When you see category 3 and 7 in those small amounts, those are just holding dollars to keep it in the plan because the plan is -- the unified transportation plan is financially constrained. So you can't be in the plan if you don't have any funding associated with the project. So those are -- those are holding dollars. They're real, but they're irrelevant when you want to do a $250 million project. I think I'm going to change my mind and say that's probably my favorite project right now. Okay. So you're going to bring those large vehicles off the corridor there. Well, the next one that you're going to like because this is the northern part. Yes. So the northern part of loop 288 has been controlled from development and because we -- the city and the county and the state all agreed 30 years ago that we wanted to protect this corridor to stay ultimately -- it could be a freeway. So right now the county is doing an environmental clearance to add frontage roads to the roads that are already out there. The roads that are already out there are main lanes. Oh, okay. So we're adding the frontage roads on the outside and the grade separations along that corridor and then a direct connection, a main lane direct connection from 288 to 380 because ultimately 380 will be a freeway as well. So we're planning for that and so once this project is done with the loop 288 on the other side you'll be able to drive on a freeway cross section all the way around the city of Denton. The truck traffic driving on 380, once this connection is made over to 380 in the west, with this project we can take these people and move them up around and over as opposed to having to come through downtown Denton. That's the intent. Awesome. Okay. And this -- okay. Right here, this little piece right here on the end, that is the Bonney Brace segment and the city and the county has been building Bonney Brace segments from the south all the way north and this was going to be segment seven but we got TechStat and the MPO, the planning organization, which controls the federal dollars, to agree to fund this project. So when we -- they agreed to fund it, we just put it in the environmental clearance document for the totality because we would have to clear it as a standalone job and so we just added it to the big job but I show it as a separate project because y'all's report show Bonney Brace is segment seven but it's part of the big loop job now. FM 1515, this is taking that two-lane hogback road where all the commercial is and widening it to a six-lane divided urban, which means curb and gutter, and right now if you're trying to get out to Fort Worth Airport Drive and all that stuff, it's kind of hard where the city and the contractor for TechStat are wanting to be in the same spot at the same time and there's that same thing like in Back to the Future where if they come together there's a confluence of paradigm that will destroy the known fabric of the universe so we're trying to work through that. And then further to the north, 1173, we're rerouting. Right now to get to 1173 you come to the loop and then you got to come up, you make a U-turn, come back and go this way. We are the city's thoroughfare plan shows it so we're widening to six lanes or rerouting 1173 up to Barthole Road so you'll be tying right into that 77 job and this intersection is being done with that merged project that I showed you earlier and then we're working through some trauma with Crum on they're losing some parking and they're wanting us to look at a couplet but that won't work, we'll explain that later but we're working through the process on this one. What's a couplet, please? Like Lewisville Main Street when you go down you go one way eastbound and then you turn around and go one way westbound so it's still the same road it's just going it breaks off and goes it's a circle so that you don't have all the traffic on one road. Like Elm and Locust here. Elm and Locust, why didn't I use that one? I'm good with money, that's my claim to fame. Okay so this is the blob map and we do this for a purpose probably by the next time I see y'all we'll show you the actual two alignments but we started with probably 700 alignments out here it looked like somebody threw spaghetti on the wall but the intent is to get from the Collin County line to 35 and Collin County has an area where they brought the outer loop to our county line that ties into the extension of the toll road north. We have to cross the green belt at 428 that's what the court requires us to cross and we're tying in at Milam Road for two reasons one that's where your city surfer plan shows it and two the county has just bought a ton of land on the west side of 35 there by Milam and that's where they want the connection to be and since the county's paying for the study they decided that's what they wanted to do. So that's the side of the expo center. Correct we are next time we show this to you there'll be two routes this is a this project is going through what there are levels of environmental clearance the easiest is called a programmatic categorical exclusion which means if you meet a checklist they certify you meet the checklist you move on the next step is a categorical exclusion which means you do everything you do with a normal environmental assessment process but you don't have as much public involvement. Then you have an environmental assessment which is normally what one does on these projects and it has significant public involvement and then the highest level is environmental impact statement or EIS and that takes twice as long twice as many public involvements and you have to carry two alignments through the full environmental process. So an environmental assessment eventually get to the what's called the technically locally preferred and that's the one you clear on an EIS because of the sensitivity of the corridor you had to carry two viable alternatives all the way through the environmental clearance process and let the environmental clearance process tell you which one is least impacted. So that's what we're doing and we're supposed to be done by roughly this time next year. You know I have a feeling Councilmember Beck was in here that would have just been so so stirring since he's our environmental guy. Just to put it in perspective the region worked with COG in 2016 that's how far ahead we were looking at this project to allocate 50 million dollars to cross the green belt because you either avoid which we can't avoid you mitigate you minimize you mitigate or you enhance. So we can't avoid and we're not going to minimize and mitigation is a good thing to do but we're going to enhance. So we're going to come in and give them significantly more we'll go buy stuff we'll go we'll go fix our trails I mean we'll go well beyond the call at the green belt because it's important to the county and so we have a commitment to this region and this also is a project just for the environmentalists and everybody. All the water flows from basically Denton southeast into into Dallas County along the Trinity Corridor we're building a 23 mile long dam so on all those tributaries small or large where we're crossing we are going to be purchasing at least all the way up to the floodplain maybe more feet simple and then we're going to impound water and we're not impounding water because we don't want to go to Dallas we're impounding water because we're going to in the concurrence of building the road we are going to be inventing best management practices which means you do it naturally methods for recharging the aquifer. So we're not going to let the water just escape to Dallas and then go that way we're going to hold it and find a way to recharge the aquifers because we're at the head you were to what is it to tell when tell into the aquifer so it's really important that we do something for the aquifer. What will happen to that bridge that old iron bridge it depends. So we have three alternatives one of which we will not do but we had to show it is a stacked alternative where you had the frontage roads on the bottom and the main lanes on top and you stay within 150 feet right away that's currently out there and that scenario we have to move the bridge because the it's right next to it so we would move the bridge in the alternative that I'm thinking we're going to land on. So the other end of the spectrum is we just come through there with a 500 feet and we tear everything up and we move everything and then we go buy more land for them and then we rehabilitate it and all that stuff the interim the middle options I think we're going to do is we go from 500 feet to about 350 feet but we take all of that right away off the south side right so we leave the bridge where it is and then we do a lot of trail work in and around our project that's the enhancement part to not only reconnect it but to maybe build trailheads additional park amenities etc. so the Corps and Texas Parks and Wildlife will tell us Texas Parks and Wildlife doesn't want it to necessarily move the Corps of Engineers wants the 50 million so they don't care if they have to move the bridge to get it so to be determined. Well I know this is some really really heavy conversation in here and we're learning quite a bit all right and this is your I can tell you're you know this is your thing which is great we have people like you in our world but I know we must move on okay well we are done how about that oh and we're done this are the acronyms you all need to know what I just said go look it up all right thank you very much Mr. Poster anybody else have any questions comments any concerns well we are doing good thank you sir this gentleman has been let me see this is my fifth year and we've been together and I was teasing a bit earlier because I've seen all of this starting to shrink you know shrink down so now we only have 30 minutes of gentlemen where we used to have an hour you know so I'm glad to see that we are progressing in our world and we still have well thank you Scott thanks thank you so we'll move on to see MC 25 there's 033 staff morning chair and mobility committee members for Han but deputy director transportation services division for the safety improvements recommendations that were raised in the last mobility committee meeting we have initiated the process there are a couple of elements that we could expedite when it comes to the approval process including posted speed is in consideration but it is a very specific item where we'll have to do much more research but some of some other items include no parking signages and and no turning on red and school zones so so we will develop the process this coordination with the legal department and also with CMO and then based on their guidelines we'll develop the process for expediting these approvals thank you and for the if the next item will be covered here or we are going to the yes let's let's keep going okay so the for the potential I'm sorry okay I'm just looking down does anybody have any questions or any comments on the streamline recommendation for safety implementation and getting all of the signage and all of that updated and being all right no questions then keep moving on okay thank you so for potential sponsorship opportunities for bollards and other traffic operations implementations we staff cited some examples from New York San Francisco San Diego yes the cities are much bigger than Denton but it's hard to find examples with comparable cities because their margin their projects are limited in nature hence that's why we provided these collaborative collaboration examples in public private partnership examples but there are possibilities when it comes to Denton there are possibilities there are opportunities for such public private partnerships and in particular areas near UNT and TWU where the bike uses predominant and then separation of mode in terms of public transport is also warranted in some cases so we will explore these opportunities with economic development and in CMO and legal department and develop a process for that as well I have a question have you all thought to and I'm sure you have but just in case that you all know how I feel about bollards which I don't like bollards but have you all considered bollards in all of the school zone type locations is that too close to residential you know like you say universities of course would fall into that this is a heavy bike use usage is that is that well this is this topic is really just about the sponsorship portion he mentioned bollards but again this is just truly all sponsorship okay so I was just triggered we have another yeah we have another item on bollards all right well well thank you see this is why they're here I've got a couple questions on there so under I see we've got some examples from other cities as we kind of build out this idea if business or even like a neighborhood wanted to fund a project would there be would there be a way for a business or a group to kind of go in I don't want to say shopping but kind of say like what are the things we could fund is it only bike lanes is it could we fund a sidewalk or could we fund other facilities that may benefit a small area so what what would those other project potential projects be what are what are you thinking right now so these would depend on case by case basis context they are context-sensitive there if you are looking at a bollard location then it is bollards if you're looking at traffic safety enhancements and businesses would like to chip in or participate in a PPP process that is open so it it when it comes to these agreements or these PPPs there are a variety of opportunities and I think nothing is off the list I would go to that extent it all depends on how lucrative it is for businesses in terms of attracting their clients or users to their shops or businesses so I think it's it's an arrangement that can happen but typically they are driven by agreements okay and what is a PPP it's public private partnership okay I apologize I should have that's okay so if and maybe this is a ongoing discussion but if if there is a group that wants to do a project they would say we have the funding or we're in the process of getting the funding then they would present that to the staff and I'm guessing there would be an approval process either from council and staff to say yeah that falls within our design or and then with that then if it's funded within the city go and do the work so that it's cohesive and it falls within the standards the city has set for similar facilities it if Scott wants to address I can address that but if yeah I think it's well I just want to make sure we kind of just stay somewhat contained in what we're speaking to you this was really just getting those initial ideas when we were talking about mobility and all of this really would have to go through council that council would be supportive so Farhan's just at least providing some ideas of what some other communities have done and then when we get into the process detail we'd work through city manager's office to say this is what we would present the council have council at least vet or approve what it is that we might do so questions are great so we're just that's right early in the process I'm already thinking of the process it's exciting to it's exciting for I think for citizens or for businesses to have a little bit more of hands-on or even the kind of a shorter term goal yeah that's yeah just just trying to at least get the concept that it was floated you know two meetings ago and and so here we are trying to come back at least and say hey here's some concepts this is what some others have done we just really have to work through a lot of the detail but most importantly whether or not council supports the concept of having businesses fund these types of projects my my only consider other consideration as much as I think this is a great idea as a as an option my concern as a citizen and I'm sure council would have a similar concern is making sure that this type of a idea or program is equitable and that certain parts of town maybe where there is where there are flourishing businesses or flourishing neighborhoods well established neighborhoods those may end up getting the nicer or these these projects completed and then are how would we make sure that other parts of the city are not left behind where maybe there's a part of town where there is not as much advocacy or businesses that even want to do this and just making sure that pushing these upgrades to businesses is not is not kicking the can or not make making our city prioritize those things as these are things that need to be done in our city oh you know I'm saying so instead of saying we want to we want to continue to fund or budget for these things because we believe everywhere in or where where it's determined the needs are we want to provide those facilities I'm a little worried that if it's like well yes but we'll let the businesses take care of that I want to make sure we we have both so that we're not forgetting yeah we got you guys I think those are bad I think those are incredibly valid points important to note and maybe there's an opportunity for some education but the transportation services group is responsible for putting together a list of priorities of what needs to be done we have the ADA transition plan which will then kind of lay out the the priorities of what we have to fix that ensures the equitable piece that really we're looking at the safety concerns and what's required each of the departments have a work plan and so all of this would have to be in conjunction with that the the points are excellent and that's really what that policy decision is with council as to how it is that we'd work through CMO come up with what we think would work vetted through council then council would kind of lay that out but but we already have work plans that would ensure that we are taking care of business across the city regardless of of where the funding is coming from more of what priority we have to fix what we have to fix or install what we have to install I think we are still in our needs mode in this city for quite a while and these types of things you know just fits in where appropriate right and if we're in our want mode then we're not when I don't know if we're ready for morning so this would give an option if a business sure that's exactly what what they're saying my only other question would be and I know this is still kind of an idea so we're talking about businesses I don't know if this would businesses could collaborate to like let's say there's two or three businesses side by side and they want to go in together could this also be because some of the examples provided here I believe in Austin those are actually I don't know if it's a nonprofit but there's there's kind of community based groups that are seeking that are working on funding could this also be open to any if there's any new organizations that pop up in Denton that want to work on funding specific projects but they're not necessarily a business so in many cases these community based groups are also backed by businesses and organizations so they are the front end of these these arrangements but often you would if further investigated we'll find that some local retail giant is supporting the cause by community and then community is a front end and then so I think these arrangements are as Scott mentioned that when the project proceeds and different parties approach the city those agreements are written they are vetted by legal they are looked at from many different aspects it's not only the transportation side but there are there are different aspects to that development review aspect is there that can we even do that so those questions are addressed when the projects are when the agreements are initiated and that those are covered for the most part they go through many rounds of revisions okay great all right sure any questions could not now at our next meeting could you provide some examples of what those sponsorships would look like sure we could we could do that I just like to see what eat it Joe's you know I mean what what what in the world that looks like when as as people are driving down the street okay thank you start we'll do that okay um anything else on that I think we're we're done with that part okay thank you so thank you I'll move on to DMC two five days zero three eight receive a report hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding future meeting topics here's Seth and he's up all right so before you begin speaking yes ma'am please tell these young ladies who you are so good morning my name's Seth Garcia I'm the director of capital projects so today we're looking at removing a couple items that would be line and ten so the potential Ballard sponsorships with local businesses we'll add another item Councilmember Holland for what you just requested and then item ten streamline the implementation of safety recommendations so that was covered in the staff memo as well otherwise any other items we would like to add yes hi good to see you Seth so as we are in the hottest part of the year here in Texas and we've got people walking especially walking to school I just walked around downtown with my family and and experienced the heat something I am concerned about especially for our our younger residents is the effect of the heat on our surfaces and in our sidewalks and so something I was wondering that if there's a way I mean I could I've got a I've got a temperature gun thing I'm just curious in my neighborhood how hot the pavement actually is is there a way we could have the staff do a temperature audit especially if we could maybe even just pick a few specific places to find out what are what are we dealing with in August and September when especially when kids are going to school and then from there once we have that data I know this is not maybe not in the budget right now but then that could maybe direct us in the future to think about any solutions but I want to address that now while it is really really hot and while we actually could gather that data it because I'm assuming it would take a really long time for us to think about what to do with that data so I'll ask is that something we can maybe ask a question what would you suggest would be a solution to a hot sidewalk in August well I'm not I'm not an expert I'm not an expert but there are examples of solutions oh I'm sorry hold on hold on just a moment as this is just the so I thought maybe you were adding to the question for staff to come back with if that's if it's a clarity that staff may need on direction to bring you back something fine but it's just a this is like a future item that is placed on the agenda there's no discussion on it other than to explain what you're asking I think that that is the crux of what my question is is for me to instead of saying why you know flat out well why would you want to know that you know I'm I would hope that we could kind of try to figure out to what end are you asking this question there I believe there I believe there could be some solutions I don't know if I'm I don't want to offer solutions in as we're just saying could we add could we add something to and I know we have also we've got a few school areas on the list I believe we were going to be discussing those maybe in September so I don't know if that's something we could add to or that's if this is a separate item but I would like I would like us to audit some areas in the city for the heat and then from there maybe discuss some potential solutions for mitigating some of the heat as it as it pertains to it is dangerous for especially for kids exposure okay two pieces one I'll follow back out on councilmember Hollins request for some we could probably just provide some exhibits rather than having to bring this back on the future items so we can we can take care of that in just a report number two is I think if we just distill this down for staff to provide a report on what it might take from a budget standpoint staffing to evaluate you know the heat of concrete so we can we can come back with a report on something to that effect and then that way we kind of eliminate kind of getting off posting so if it's a future item a report it's just really we need to probably do some fact-finding on what that might look like and if there's any programs that exist thank you do I need to say a motion to add or or do we just I believe we've just um we can they can write it down and put it on the list yeah all right so it's on the list okay okay so um we can move to get someone to move to remove some items the request could you please clarify what your request to be to remove yes ma'am so we're asking to remove lines nine and ten um and then as scott said in the staff memo uh likely next month we'll be able to provide some examples for councilmember holland's request so today just a motion to remove items nine and ten all right we get a motion so move all right one second my second okay all approved all right all right so move thank you all right thank you and uh our next meeting that's in concluding are there any concluding items all right no concluding items our next meeting is august 27th 10 a.m in this location preferably and we'll adjourn the meeting at 10 51. Thank you everyone. Very nice. Alright.