WEBVTT 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:04.440 - Good afternoon at 5.03 this afternoon, 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:06.960 July 23rd, 2025. 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:08.400 With the quorum present, 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:10.040 I will convene our work session 00:00:10.040 --> 00:00:12.560 of the Denton Planning and Zoning Commission. 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.860 Our first item is citizen comments 00:00:16.860 --> 00:00:18.760 on the consent agenda items. 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:23.760 So these are items three on the main agenda. 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:29.480 Is there anybody seeing none? 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.120 Move on to clarification of agenda items 00:00:34.120 --> 00:00:37.160 on our evening's agenda. 00:00:37.160 --> 00:00:45.020 Sorry. 00:00:45.020 --> 00:00:50.320 It's a couple of individual consideration items. 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:55.320 So, 4A, FP250020A, Matt? 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:04.560 - I'm scared since the last time I was up here, 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:08.240 I led Julie wrong. 00:01:08.240 --> 00:01:20.200 - Good evening, Matt Burdeen. 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:22.520 Here presenting a final plat 00:01:22.520 --> 00:01:28.060 for an approximately nine and a half acre track 00:01:28.060 --> 00:01:31.800 located about the corner of Hickory Creek Road 00:01:31.800 --> 00:01:33.040 and Teasley Lane. 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:38.280 At this time, this plat does not meet 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:40.680 our criteria for approval, 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.680 but staff has no objection to their requested extension. 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:47.320 This is the second extension requests 00:01:47.320 --> 00:01:49.160 associated with this project. 00:01:49.160 --> 00:01:51.800 Here to answer any questions. 00:01:51.800 --> 00:01:55.800 - I don't see any. 00:01:55.800 --> 00:01:56.640 Thank you, Matt. 00:01:58.440 --> 00:02:01.440 Brings us to 4BZCP25-0013. 00:02:01.440 --> 00:02:12.800 Good afternoon, Mia. 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.780 - Good afternoon, Chair, members of the commission. 00:02:15.780 --> 00:02:20.000 Mia Hines, senior planner. 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:21.160 This item stated in the caption 00:02:21.160 --> 00:02:23.300 is a zoning compliance plan within Razor Ranch 00:02:23.300 --> 00:02:25.100 for hospital services. 00:02:25.100 --> 00:02:28.040 This site is approximately just over three acres 00:02:28.040 --> 00:02:30.080 located west of Heritage Trail, 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:34.000 approximately 265 feet north of Panhandle Street. 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:35.960 Staff is recommending approval of this request 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.200 as it does meet all of the criteria for approval 00:02:38.200 --> 00:02:40.720 as stated in the Razor Ranch overlay ordinance. 00:02:40.720 --> 00:02:43.520 And I'd be happy to answer 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:44.640 any questions you have at this time. 00:02:44.640 --> 00:02:46.120 I do have a more detailed presentation 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:47.280 to sort of walk you through the site 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:48.600 and what they're proposing, 00:02:48.600 --> 00:02:50.080 but I'll be happy to answer any questions 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:51.440 that you have at this time. 00:02:55.040 --> 00:02:55.880 I don't see. 00:02:55.880 --> 00:02:56.720 Oh, yes. 00:02:56.720 --> 00:02:57.800 Sorry. 00:02:57.800 --> 00:02:58.640 No, okay. 00:02:58.640 --> 00:02:59.460 I don't see any. 00:02:59.460 --> 00:03:00.300 Thank you, Mia. 00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:02.000 - Thank you. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.280 - And did anybody on the commission 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:06.840 have any questions for the consent agenda? 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:10.200 I skipped over that, but there are any? 00:03:10.200 --> 00:03:11.280 No, okay. 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.160 So that brings us to our public hearings. 00:03:14.160 --> 00:03:19.160 First one is 5A, AESA25-0001A. 00:03:19.160 --> 00:03:23.520 - So Chair, staff will ask that you open the public hearing 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:26.160 and continue this item to a date certain of August 13th, 00:03:26.160 --> 00:03:27.000 please. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.000 - Yeah, we can do that. 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:33.880 Next one is 5B, Z25-0004. 00:03:33.880 --> 00:03:44.680 - You're gonna see a lot of me tonight. 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.600 So, yes. 00:03:46.600 --> 00:03:52.240 Oops. 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:53.080 Here we go. 00:03:54.440 --> 00:03:56.080 - Good evening. 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:02.360 Here to present, it's the Springside Industrial 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.600 rezoning change case. 00:04:04.600 --> 00:04:08.600 The property in question is located on the west side 00:04:08.600 --> 00:04:13.040 of I-35, kind of at the corner of Springside and Corbin Road. 00:04:13.040 --> 00:04:14.920 Should sound a little familiar as there was 00:04:14.920 --> 00:04:18.160 a recent mobility plan amendment in the general area. 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:22.880 The applicant is proposing to rezone this property 00:04:22.880 --> 00:04:26.840 from RR to Heavy Industrial. 00:04:26.840 --> 00:04:29.760 Staff found this to be consistent 00:04:29.760 --> 00:04:31.760 with the comprehensive plan, 00:04:31.760 --> 00:04:35.960 as well as furthering the goals of that plan, 00:04:35.960 --> 00:04:42.400 as well as recommending approval 00:04:42.400 --> 00:04:45.000 to do the significant growth in the area. 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.080 Staff has received public comments 00:04:47.080 --> 00:04:48.520 from neighboring property owners 00:04:48.520 --> 00:04:50.200 that are included in that backup. 00:04:51.320 --> 00:04:53.160 Ultimately, staff is recommending approval, 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:55.480 but here to answer any questions, 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:57.160 and then there's a longer presentation 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:58.680 during the public meeting. 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:06.360 - Yes, I wanted to mention, really just to point out 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:11.000 that there was some interest, seemed to be some interest 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.080 from a gentleman, Kevin McKinney. 00:05:13.080 --> 00:05:15.200 He was at the last hearing. 00:05:15.200 --> 00:05:20.200 And wondering if we saw at the bottom the PS on his letter. 00:05:20.400 --> 00:05:21.920 - Yes. 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.520 - That says that he has been omitted from mailings 00:05:24.520 --> 00:05:26.840 from zoning change. 00:05:26.840 --> 00:05:30.760 So perhaps we should check that out. 00:05:30.760 --> 00:05:34.240 - So yeah, I can help shed some light on that. 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:39.240 So Mr. McKinney's property in question is in the ETJ. 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.480 So it's not actually in city limits. 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.600 And city requirements is we send the letters 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.280 and postcards to property owners in city limits. 00:05:49.280 --> 00:05:52.760 So that's why he did not receive a letter or postcard. 00:05:52.760 --> 00:05:56.640 We do, I mean, that is why we use our other means, 00:05:56.640 --> 00:06:00.160 such as a website, a newspaper, to help spread the word, 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:02.400 not just to those immediate property owners, 00:06:02.400 --> 00:06:03.520 but also generally. 00:06:03.520 --> 00:06:09.360 - So just making sure, is he aware of that, 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.360 the reason he's not receiving the mailing? 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:13.240 - Yes, yeah. 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:15.920 So yeah, staff, we did reach out to him 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.560 and explain the situation, 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.640 and invited him to come and speak, 00:06:20.640 --> 00:06:22.040 come to this meeting as well. 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:23.200 - Okay, thanks, Matt. 00:06:23.200 --> 00:06:30.760 - Okay, any other questions? 00:06:30.760 --> 00:06:34.840 Don't see any, thanks, Matt. 00:06:34.840 --> 00:06:39.960 You're up again for the match show. 00:06:39.960 --> 00:06:42.320 S25-0004. 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:49.400 All right. 00:06:49.400 --> 00:06:55.160 So this case is for a specific use permit 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.840 to allow for the boarding house use 00:06:57.840 --> 00:07:01.800 in the mixed-use neighborhood zoning district. 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.200 The property in question is near UNT 00:07:05.200 --> 00:07:07.520 at the corner of Frye and Oak Street. 00:07:07.520 --> 00:07:10.240 It is a developed lot, 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.400 as you can see in the picture here. 00:07:13.400 --> 00:07:15.240 And at this time, the applicant 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.880 is not proposing any site changes, 00:07:17.880 --> 00:07:19.720 simply wanting to change the use. 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:24.560 In addition to just the general specific use permit, 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.800 staff is proposing the additional conditions 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:29.880 that there be no more than nine bedrooms, 00:07:29.880 --> 00:07:32.520 and no less than 10 parking spaces. 00:07:32.520 --> 00:07:35.840 This is to maintain consistency of the site 00:07:35.840 --> 00:07:37.720 reflecting what is currently there, 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:40.120 existing on the property. 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:44.760 You did find it consistent with the comprehensive plan, 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:46.360 as well as the current zoning, 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.880 and staff is recommending approval of the SUP. 00:07:48.880 --> 00:07:54.320 - Okay, any questions on this item? 00:07:54.320 --> 00:08:01.360 Okay, thank you, Matt. 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.760 Brings us to our work session reports. 00:08:05.760 --> 00:08:12.520 Item 3A, PZ25-0-146. 00:08:15.440 --> 00:08:19.360 Downtown actions. 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:21.200 Is this the first action that we have 00:08:21.200 --> 00:08:24.200 from the downtown plan that we're doing? 00:08:24.200 --> 00:08:27.080 - No, thankfully we've actually knocked out a couple already, 00:08:27.080 --> 00:08:29.240 so the expansion of the Terge district 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:30.760 was a big early win there 00:08:30.760 --> 00:08:32.320 to help make all the other things possible. 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:33.160 - Very good. 00:08:33.160 --> 00:08:35.520 - But this is one of the first that I've gotten to work on, 00:08:35.520 --> 00:08:36.600 which I'm very excited about. 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.840 So Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:41.920 and past Deputy Project Manager 00:08:41.920 --> 00:08:43.680 for the Designed Downtown Denton Plan. 00:08:43.680 --> 00:08:45.400 I'm here to share with y'all a work session 00:08:45.400 --> 00:08:48.240 on expanding opportunity in southern downtown. 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.200 So just to give y'all kind of the agenda 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:52.020 we're gonna work through, 00:08:52.020 --> 00:08:54.240 we're gonna look at the Designed Downtown Denton Plan, 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.440 briefly the engagement that went into that, 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:58.080 some history and recent changes 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.880 in the area that we're discussing, southern downtown, 00:09:00.880 --> 00:09:04.040 the recommendation that the Designed Downtown Denton Plan 00:09:04.040 --> 00:09:07.000 had for this area, staff's analysis, 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:08.600 the neighborhood feedback we received, 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:11.080 and then the questions that we provided to you 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:13.320 in your backup, and just to remind you, 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:15.400 you should have all four of those in your AIS. 00:09:15.400 --> 00:09:17.120 I am gonna be coming back to discuss those, 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:18.240 so if you wanna have them pulled up 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.440 and be thinking about them as we go through 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:22.760 the presentation, that'd be wonderful. 00:09:22.760 --> 00:09:27.280 On the topic of questions, given the time constraints 00:09:27.280 --> 00:09:28.320 and what we need to get through, 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.040 I am gonna ask that as you have questions, 00:09:30.040 --> 00:09:31.880 maybe just take notes of those, 00:09:31.880 --> 00:09:33.520 and we will have an opportunity to ask those 00:09:33.520 --> 00:09:35.000 kind of midway through the presentation 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.440 before we get into the analysis, and then at the end. 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:38.720 So I will give you that opportunity, 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:40.600 but if you can hang on to those points, 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:43.320 I would be grateful, and we will try to be efficient. 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:48.720 So, big picture here, the area that we're talking about 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.560 is the area outlined in gold there south of the square. 00:09:51.560 --> 00:09:54.480 It's about 64 acres, 153 lots. 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:55.840 The primary zoning there today 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:57.760 is MN Mixed Use Neighborhood. 00:09:57.760 --> 00:10:01.320 We have a few public facilities lots owned by government, 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:02.960 one or two small R7 lots. 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:06.960 And the Designed Downtown Denton proposed change 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.240 that we'll be considering is that all of the MN lots 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.160 in that area be zoned MD. 00:10:12.160 --> 00:10:13.920 That is not necessarily staff's recommendation, 00:10:13.920 --> 00:10:15.440 but that's the point we're starting from, 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.520 the Designed Downtown Denton plan suggested that we study. 00:10:18.520 --> 00:10:19.880 So, big picture question. 00:10:19.880 --> 00:10:23.000 The Designed Downtown Denton plan, 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.720 that's gonna be familiar to, well, definitely to the Chair, 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:27.080 but possibly not to everyone else. 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:28.840 So we wanna take a step back. 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:32.120 That's the long-term plan for our downtown 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:36.000 that we spent much of 2023 and 2024 creating. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.440 A lot of that time went into community engagements. 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.280 We had about 40 events in which we went to the public 00:10:41.280 --> 00:10:44.240 and in various ways asked them what they wanted to see 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.120 in downtown so that this was not going to be a staff plan. 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:48.440 This was not gonna be a consultant plan. 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:50.480 This was gonna be a community plan. 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.480 One of the big things that we asked them over and over was, 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.880 what do you as residents and business owners 00:10:55.880 --> 00:10:58.360 want to see for the future of downtown? 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:00.320 One of the things they came back to us and said was, 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:01.960 we wanna see more businesses 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.040 and more focus south of the square. 00:11:04.040 --> 00:11:06.400 It feels like there's not a lot of life there. 00:11:06.400 --> 00:11:07.400 We'd like to see more attention there. 00:11:07.400 --> 00:11:11.360 We wanna see less vacant lots, empty businesses. 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:12.640 So in response to that, 00:11:12.640 --> 00:11:14.720 response to the community's concern and their request, 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:17.200 the plan recommended that we work towards 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:18.760 a future southern downtown. 00:11:18.760 --> 00:11:21.280 So new housing, shops, restaurants in that area 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:23.800 centered around a future public park. 00:11:23.800 --> 00:11:25.240 So that was the vision that was put forward 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.280 in response to the community's desire. 00:11:27.280 --> 00:11:32.080 Now, one of the things we look at is, 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:33.800 what are some of the challenges facing us 00:11:33.800 --> 00:11:34.640 in getting to that? 00:11:34.640 --> 00:11:35.880 And so we wanna take a step back 00:11:35.880 --> 00:11:38.520 and specifically look at the zoning history. 00:11:38.520 --> 00:11:41.080 Now, I gave y'all a more extensive kind of history 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:43.000 of downtown zoning in your backup, 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.160 but we wanna focus in here and just kind of recap 00:11:45.160 --> 00:11:47.680 for just this southern downtown area, 00:11:47.680 --> 00:11:50.400 what's happened there recently in the realm of zoning. 00:11:50.400 --> 00:11:52.760 Prior to 2019, we had the downtown 00:11:52.760 --> 00:11:54.440 commercial general zoning. 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.240 That was our most intensive downtown zoning. 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.800 And that covered a pretty large area from many blocks 00:11:59.800 --> 00:12:03.480 north of the square, all the way down to Eagle, all DCG. 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.640 In 2019, we adopted the new Denton Development Code, 00:12:06.640 --> 00:12:07.680 new at the time. 00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:09.520 With that, we brought in a whole new slate 00:12:09.520 --> 00:12:12.200 of zoning districts and every lot in the city moved 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:14.000 to one of the new zoning districts. 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:15.960 Generally, we said, what's the closest district 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.320 to what you had before, you move to that. 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.480 There was an exception. 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.280 In the area that we're looking at, 00:12:23.280 --> 00:12:24.880 in the downtown area with DCG, 00:12:24.880 --> 00:12:27.200 at the time we felt that the MD, 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:29.120 that most intensive zoning should be limited 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:31.280 to the boundaries of what was called the DTIP, 00:12:31.280 --> 00:12:33.520 the Downtown Implementation Plan. 00:12:33.520 --> 00:12:35.560 So it was an area that was more limited 00:12:35.560 --> 00:12:39.160 around kind of that core oak hickory 00:12:39.160 --> 00:12:41.320 kind of down towards the train station. 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:44.440 It was limited, which meant that we had a lot of lots 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:46.040 that were outside of that area 00:12:46.040 --> 00:12:49.320 that had been previously zoned DCG, including in this area. 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.680 Those lots, rather than becoming MD mixed use downtown, 00:12:52.680 --> 00:12:55.440 instead became mixed use neighborhood, 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:59.720 which is, it does limit owners' flexibility 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:01.280 for what they can do in their property more 00:13:01.280 --> 00:13:02.880 than what's permitted in MD. 00:13:02.880 --> 00:13:04.880 So it does make it potentially more difficult 00:13:04.880 --> 00:13:06.880 to reuse or redevelop your property. 00:13:06.880 --> 00:13:08.600 So that is one of the challenges we're looking at 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.560 as we try to move towards that future southern downtown. 00:13:11.560 --> 00:13:13.320 Keep in mind, right now, that area, 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.480 previously DCG, Downtown Commercial General, 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.080 it became mixed use neighborhood 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:19.800 rather than mixed use downtown. 00:13:19.800 --> 00:13:23.800 Now, the good news is, we've also had a change recently 00:13:23.800 --> 00:13:25.720 that was very helpful in moving towards 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:27.080 the southern downtown vision, 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:30.280 which is the city completed the PEC-4 project 00:13:30.280 --> 00:13:33.960 to remove a huge area of land from the floodplain. 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:35.960 So all that area outlined in gold, 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:37.160 not in the floodplain anymore, 00:13:37.160 --> 00:13:39.400 which means that for the first time in decades, 00:13:39.400 --> 00:13:41.360 new buildings can be built there. 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.360 Existing buildings can be expanded and replaced. 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.320 This is a unique opportunity for growth and redevelopment 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.880 that we wanna build on, we wanna take advantage of that. 00:13:49.880 --> 00:13:51.720 So given that fact, the challenge, 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:53.440 and the opportunity that we have now, 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.600 what's the next step to move towards that vision 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:58.280 of a southern downtown? 00:13:58.280 --> 00:14:01.800 Well, design downtown debt and plan recommendation 3D 00:14:01.800 --> 00:14:04.040 suggested, as I noted, that we extend, 00:14:04.040 --> 00:14:08.640 we consider extending MD zoning into that entire gold areas, 00:14:08.640 --> 00:14:12.760 that all those MN lots would get the MD zone 00:14:12.760 --> 00:14:15.080 and that they did not yet in 2019. 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.080 The purpose would be to expand that opportunity 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:19.200 and flexibility for downtown style development 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:22.480 throughout that area, remove some of those roadblocks. 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.760 So that's what we're considering. 00:14:24.760 --> 00:14:26.320 As we consider that, it's important to know 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.080 where that area is right now. 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.120 So as you can see there, that's our current land use map. 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.600 In red, you see we have a lot of commercial uses. 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.840 They're often older, and in many cases, 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.000 they haven't received a lot of investment, 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.040 most likely because they're in the floodplain. 00:14:40.040 --> 00:14:42.520 You have a fair bit of multifamily in that lighter yellow. 00:14:42.520 --> 00:14:44.560 We do have some single-family residential 00:14:44.560 --> 00:14:45.800 on the east and west edges. 00:14:45.800 --> 00:14:47.680 We'll talk about them more as we go along. 00:14:47.680 --> 00:14:49.000 There's a lot of vacant lots, 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.480 so those dark gray over on the right side there. 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:53.520 It's also important to note 00:14:53.520 --> 00:14:55.400 that there's a lot of smaller lots in here, 00:14:55.400 --> 00:15:00.400 which are harder because you've got limited real estate there. 00:15:00.400 --> 00:15:03.760 Under MN zoning, it's harder to adaptively reuse 00:15:03.760 --> 00:15:05.920 or develop under MN because it does have 00:15:05.920 --> 00:15:07.320 those higher landscape standards, 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.600 and it fully enforces all of our parking minimums. 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:14.880 So given that, what are the potential advantages 00:15:14.880 --> 00:15:18.040 of moving to the MD zoning in this area? 00:15:18.040 --> 00:15:20.560 Bottom line, it allows property owners 00:15:20.560 --> 00:15:23.520 to use more of their lots, to fully use their right 00:15:23.520 --> 00:15:24.960 to develop their property. 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.840 So for instance, you have a higher lot coverage permitted. 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.920 You have a lower landscaping requirement 00:15:31.920 --> 00:15:33.600 and tree canopy requirement. 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.200 So it gives them more flexibility to use their lot. 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:38.240 It allows those smaller lots to be developed. 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:39.600 It enables taller development, 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:41.760 which means if you can go higher on a smaller lot, 00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:44.600 that gives you more flexibility, more opportunity. 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.400 It makes it easier to develop some of those commercial uses 00:15:47.400 --> 00:15:49.480 that were pretty typical in downtown Denton. 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.400 So bars and craft breweries, 00:15:51.400 --> 00:15:52.920 that's something Dentonites enjoy. 00:15:52.920 --> 00:15:56.400 Easy to develop in MD, harder to develop in MN. 00:15:56.400 --> 00:15:58.200 So again, giving them, those property owners, 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:00.440 the opportunity to do what their fellow property owners 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:02.760 to the north can do much more easily. 00:16:02.760 --> 00:16:04.800 Big one is parking flexibility. 00:16:04.800 --> 00:16:09.120 So in MD, commercial businesses are not required 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.000 to meet a minimum parking. 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.000 Instead, they can decide what makes sense for them. 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.320 Similarly, for residential uses under 10 units, 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:17.920 there's that greater parking flexibility, 00:16:17.920 --> 00:16:20.640 which means on a smaller lot, you have more opportunity. 00:16:20.640 --> 00:16:22.360 So if you've had a business, a building 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:23.840 that's been there for years, a commercial building, 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.080 it may not have enough space 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.600 to meet our current parking regulations. 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:29.920 It's a great building, you can't do anything with it. 00:16:29.920 --> 00:16:31.400 This would give more opportunity 00:16:31.400 --> 00:16:33.760 to adaptively reuse those buildings 00:16:33.760 --> 00:16:36.420 because you could use a smaller amount of parking. 00:16:36.420 --> 00:16:39.960 At the same time, there are potential concerns with this. 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:41.480 And so we wanna identify some ways 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:42.760 that those can be mitigated 00:16:42.760 --> 00:16:45.200 with code provisions we already have. 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:46.920 One concern would be height. 00:16:46.920 --> 00:16:49.600 Maybe concerned about having a taller building developed 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.800 near smaller neighborhood home. 00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:53.400 We have our height transition buffer, 00:16:53.400 --> 00:16:56.560 which means there is a distance 00:16:56.560 --> 00:16:58.560 within which you can't go any higher 00:16:58.560 --> 00:17:01.760 with a commercial building than the highest permitted height 00:17:01.760 --> 00:17:04.200 in the adjacent residential zoning district. 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.240 Essentially, you can't go any higher than you would be 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.400 if you were under the residential rules you're adjacent to. 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:10.520 We also have our use buffer. 00:17:10.520 --> 00:17:13.080 So any commercial or multifamily use 00:17:13.080 --> 00:17:15.600 has to provide a buffer between their use 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:17.440 and any adjacent single family home. 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.760 So fencing, landscaping, et cetera. 00:17:19.760 --> 00:17:21.520 It's all there is that protection. 00:17:21.520 --> 00:17:23.320 Nonconformity protections. 00:17:23.320 --> 00:17:25.480 It is true that there are some commercial uses 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:27.200 that will not be allowed in MD, 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.920 including minor automotive use. 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.360 However, we have our nonconformity protections. 00:17:33.360 --> 00:17:34.460 If you have that use now, 00:17:34.460 --> 00:17:36.360 you can continue right on doing that 00:17:36.360 --> 00:17:38.040 as long as it's an uninterrupted use 00:17:38.040 --> 00:17:40.560 and you continue operating as you did before. 00:17:40.560 --> 00:17:42.360 Single family residential. 00:17:42.360 --> 00:17:44.720 That is not a permitted use in MD zoning, 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.440 mostly because when we put that in place, 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.120 there weren't any single family residences near we looked at. 00:17:50.120 --> 00:17:51.840 So staff's recommendation would be 00:17:51.840 --> 00:17:54.280 that we write the ordinance to ensure 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:56.920 that no single family home would be made nonconforming. 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:58.200 They'd be completely legal. 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.200 You could continue to invest in it. 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:02.160 No change for any single family residential 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.240 that's affected by this potential change. 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:08.600 So given all that, I wanna pause 00:18:08.600 --> 00:18:09.840 and answer any questions you have 00:18:09.840 --> 00:18:11.080 on what we've discussed so far 00:18:11.080 --> 00:18:13.960 before we get into analysis and recommendations. 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.720 - Questions? 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:17.560 Commissioner Riggs. 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:20.600 - So I have a question on the single family. 00:18:20.600 --> 00:18:22.500 So we talked about how it's nonconforming, 00:18:22.500 --> 00:18:26.080 but all the other nonconforming instances 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:28.440 we're not concerned about. 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:30.960 So we're talking about doing a specific ordinance 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:31.880 for single family. 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.560 So I was kind of wondering, what's the difference there? 00:18:35.560 --> 00:18:39.960 - Yeah, so in part, we can see we're looking at, 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:43.340 there are quite a number of single family residential uses. 00:18:43.340 --> 00:18:45.400 The instances of the other are somewhat more limited, 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.000 but we're also looking at what do we want to see 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.000 in the future of a downtown area? 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.240 And staff believes that some single family uses 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.080 can continue to be appropriate. 00:18:55.080 --> 00:18:58.000 It is not necessarily fitting 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.680 with the vision of Design Downtown Denton 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:04.680 to have automotive uses continue to be a large presence 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.280 in our downtown area. 00:19:07.280 --> 00:19:09.040 I think that's primary difference. 00:19:09.040 --> 00:19:16.440 - I was gonna say, and I would add, 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:17.760 with the single family residential, 00:19:17.760 --> 00:19:21.080 because typically they're primary residents, 00:19:21.080 --> 00:19:22.160 we want them to have the ability 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:25.040 to be able to reinvest in their properties. 00:19:25.040 --> 00:19:28.700 So that way, if they need to be able to obtain financing 00:19:28.700 --> 00:19:30.200 from the bank, they can be able to do so. 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:31.720 Sean is right, with the automotive use, 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:32.880 it's a little bit different situation 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.680 because they're not consistent with the longer term vision. 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:38.080 We still do allow our nonconforming uses 00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:39.240 to continue operating. 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:40.620 So with the change in zoning, 00:19:40.620 --> 00:19:43.540 they would not be forced to close their doors at all. 00:19:43.540 --> 00:19:46.280 We are actually fairly generous 00:19:46.280 --> 00:19:48.280 with our nonconforming regulations for businesses 00:19:48.280 --> 00:19:49.840 being able to continue operate. 00:19:49.840 --> 00:19:52.040 - Yeah, actually, on that note, 00:19:52.040 --> 00:19:54.320 we have, I think, major automotive repair 00:19:54.320 --> 00:19:56.240 has not been a conforming use 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.440 for about two or three decades, 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:01.440 and we still have about four or five of those in the area. 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.000 - Okay, Commissioner McDuff? 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.980 - Yes, I just wanna, this is an overarching comment. 00:20:07.980 --> 00:20:12.720 Sean, how will this plan impact the rest of downtown proper? 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:16.120 How do you see that related to the square? 00:20:16.120 --> 00:20:17.800 And I know you're a downtown person, 00:20:17.800 --> 00:20:19.880 that's where your service is, 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:21.960 that's where your recreation is, 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.480 but I am a former resident of this area. 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:29.120 I had an old home on Stroud that served me well. 00:20:29.120 --> 00:20:30.640 I'm very familiar with all of this, 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.000 but I wanna know your perspective 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.560 on how this relates to the rest of the downtown development. 00:20:36.560 --> 00:20:38.220 - Yeah, absolutely, thank you. 00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:40.800 So we see this as really an opportunity 00:20:40.800 --> 00:20:43.560 to bring the benefits that you have 00:20:43.560 --> 00:20:45.680 if you're close to the square to the rest of downtown. 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:47.920 So for many of the areas that aren't right in that core, 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.800 it's a long walk to get to a restaurant, a shop, 00:20:51.800 --> 00:20:53.560 for many of the things that are enjoyable to do, 00:20:53.560 --> 00:20:55.160 that's a lot of distance. 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:56.000 There's a lot of things 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:57.560 that aren't necessarily closely available, 00:20:57.560 --> 00:20:59.600 and that leads to vacancies. 00:20:59.600 --> 00:21:02.360 No one wants to live across from a vacant building, 00:21:02.360 --> 00:21:05.320 and so it can also contribute to other problems 00:21:05.320 --> 00:21:06.320 we're all aware of. 00:21:06.320 --> 00:21:09.840 Whereas if we can bring more thriving, 00:21:09.840 --> 00:21:11.520 more life to this area, 00:21:11.520 --> 00:21:13.760 I believe that benefits the whole of downtown, 00:21:13.760 --> 00:21:15.960 more opportunities, more things available. 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:19.000 The other thing is having more people living in this area 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.440 benefits our businesses throughout this area, 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:23.160 and I've had this discussion literally the other day 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:24.200 with one of our business owners. 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:26.120 She said the thing we need most 00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:27.880 is for more people to be living down here 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.200 because those are the people that will come visit us 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.520 Monday through Wednesday, not just on the weekends, 00:21:32.520 --> 00:21:34.760 they'll come and patronize our businesses. 00:21:34.760 --> 00:21:36.040 There's a big opportunity here 00:21:36.040 --> 00:21:38.400 to make all of our businesses more successful 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:40.240 and to benefit all of the residents 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.080 because more variety of businesses are available 00:21:43.080 --> 00:21:44.920 that everyone can take advantage of 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.080 because we have enough people to actually support them, 00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:48.320 so I hope that's helpful. 00:21:48.320 --> 00:21:53.000 - And may I continue on here? 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:57.040 I will say that I drive through there from time to time 00:21:57.040 --> 00:21:59.560 and reminisce and look at where my old house, 00:21:59.560 --> 00:22:02.040 the vacant lot, the city bought my home. 00:22:02.040 --> 00:22:07.120 I am horrified of the state of the neighborhood, 00:22:07.120 --> 00:22:10.280 so I am so glad to see this. 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:13.320 I appreciate it. 00:22:13.320 --> 00:22:14.720 - Yes, ma'am. 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:16.720 - Any other questions, Commissioner Dyer? 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.160 - Just a couple. 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:24.160 One, have you looked into any of the other communities 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.920 similar to the size of Denton 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:28.640 that maybe have the same issue 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.800 where there's a lot of vacant buildings 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:36.800 and kind of took a key off of them, 00:22:36.800 --> 00:22:38.880 and when you were looking at doing this, 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:40.520 and was it successful for them 00:22:40.520 --> 00:22:42.360 to kind of revitalize that area 00:22:42.360 --> 00:22:45.280 and then to piggyback off of that, 00:22:45.280 --> 00:22:46.960 if all of this gets approved, 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:50.640 is there a plan to do some sort of incentive 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.080 to draw businesses or builders 00:22:53.080 --> 00:22:57.880 to build the new multifamily 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:01.240 or single-family homes in this area or businesses? 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:02.920 - Yeah, so just a big picture. 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:07.520 As part of the overall design downtown Denton plan process, 00:23:07.520 --> 00:23:10.720 our consultants as well as us looked at a whole range 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:12.440 of communities across the country 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:14.760 and including places they had worked directly 00:23:14.760 --> 00:23:17.640 to look at what has been successful 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:22.120 and looking at absolutely examples of situations 00:23:22.120 --> 00:23:26.840 where zoning, looking at things that were making it harder 00:23:26.840 --> 00:23:28.000 to develop lots in zoning, 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.560 where removing that created more opportunity. 00:23:30.560 --> 00:23:33.680 But also, you're absolutely right, this is just step one. 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.160 So within the plan, there are many steps after this 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.600 as they become a possibility, as our budget allows it, 00:23:39.600 --> 00:23:41.640 as development interest allows it, 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:42.800 where we wanna do other things 00:23:42.800 --> 00:23:45.560 to encourage that development to come in. 00:23:45.560 --> 00:23:48.440 We actually already have some other things in the works 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.040 in terms of making it easier to develop townhomes. 00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:52.240 That's gonna be a big thing, hopefully, 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.560 by the end of the year, as well as just looking at in general, 00:23:56.560 --> 00:23:58.520 what are other things that we can get out of the way 00:23:58.520 --> 00:23:59.840 as the city that may be hindered? 00:23:59.840 --> 00:24:02.680 And at the same time, looking at some design standards 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:04.760 we wanna put in so that as that arrives, 00:24:04.760 --> 00:24:06.960 it looks the way that our community expects it 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.280 to look, so this is absolutely just that step one. 00:24:10.280 --> 00:24:14.080 But if we can get this, that begins to get the ball rolling. 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:14.920 So thank you. 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:23.160 - Okay, I guess one question. 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:31.320 Mostly I wanna confirm because I thought 00:24:31.320 --> 00:24:33.040 I remembered something and then when I went back 00:24:33.040 --> 00:24:34.640 to research, I didn't find it. 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:37.000 (laughs) 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:41.680 And that is traditionally our MD zoned buildings 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.880 that were built a long time ago had no setback 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.360 right up to the right of way. 00:24:48.360 --> 00:24:53.000 That's sort of a different type of feeling 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:54.680 from a streetscape perspective 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:58.000 than the 10 foot setback for MN. 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:02.080 I thought we had a requirement that MD 00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:05.400 did not be set back too far, but then when I looked, 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.480 all I found was the same, you can't be more 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.240 than 15 feet back that MN has. 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.120 Is that, am I correct in that or? 00:25:15.120 --> 00:25:19.960 - You're slightly stretching my memory. 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.640 So I will have to check and get back to you on that. 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.480 But I do know that it is accurate 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.200 that we do not have the setback. 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:28.160 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:31.160 - Which at that point, it really gives the property owner 00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.200 some freedom to decide what makes sense. 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:34.560 - Right, yeah. 00:25:34.560 --> 00:25:36.000 - But I can definitely get back to you on that. 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:40.680 - Okay, yeah, no, I just, I obviously we have more work 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:45.480 to do in this area as well, but I just wondered 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:49.320 whether there was any thought on setting requirements 00:25:49.320 --> 00:25:51.720 to have more of a consistent streetscape 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:55.080 in the future based on build two lines 00:25:55.080 --> 00:25:55.920 or anything like that. 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:56.760 - That is something that we have 00:25:56.760 --> 00:25:58.920 in our Denton Square District standards. 00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.080 So it's certainly something that we've thought about 00:26:01.080 --> 00:26:03.240 and that city council has felt appropriate to implement. 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:04.880 So that certainly could be something 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.280 that we would look at in the future. 00:26:07.280 --> 00:26:09.120 - I was just saying, if memory serves me correctly, 00:26:09.120 --> 00:26:11.000 I know in the design downtown Denton plan, 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.720 we had some streetscape drawings that focused on, 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.680 particularly the public realm when you look at minimum width 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:23.440 needed for an amenity zone, but also movement of pedestrians 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.320 and then placement of building. 00:26:25.320 --> 00:26:28.760 But to Sean's point, if we do not have a maximum setback 00:26:28.760 --> 00:26:31.400 to establish an MD, that could be something that's looked 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:33.320 at at a future date for the district. 00:26:33.320 --> 00:26:34.440 - Okay, thanks. 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.000 I don't see any other questions, so. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.760 - All right, carry on. - Carry on, lovely. 00:26:40.760 --> 00:26:44.040 So again, reminding us of the overall picture here, 00:26:44.040 --> 00:26:45.320 that area in goal. 00:26:45.320 --> 00:26:48.320 I have divided it up into about five areas 00:26:48.320 --> 00:26:49.320 'cause it's a big area. 00:26:49.320 --> 00:26:51.760 Wanna be able to kind of break it down and talk about those. 00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:53.880 So we're gonna go through each one of those briefly 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.320 and kind of touch on the different factors. 00:26:56.320 --> 00:27:00.000 Right now, I'm showing the downtown, 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:01.960 design downtown Denton plan's recommendation 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:03.720 that all of it be MD, and as I said, 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:05.560 that's not necessarily the recommendation 00:27:05.560 --> 00:27:07.120 that staff landed on, but as you can see, 00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:09.320 that's our starting point, we'll go from there. 00:27:09.320 --> 00:27:11.120 And for each of those areas, we're gonna talk through 00:27:11.120 --> 00:27:12.440 kind of a description of the area, 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:14.520 the analysis and staff's recommendations. 00:27:14.520 --> 00:27:18.280 When we get done, we'll come to those questions for y'all. 00:27:18.280 --> 00:27:21.240 So area one, that's that, kind of that core area 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.560 in the middle, primarily along Elm and Locust Street. 00:27:24.560 --> 00:27:28.520 Uses there are entirely commercial and multifamily. 00:27:28.520 --> 00:27:30.040 Almost all of these lots were recently removed 00:27:30.040 --> 00:27:31.240 from the floodplain. 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:35.080 All of them were zoned DCG prior to 2019. 00:27:35.080 --> 00:27:37.000 You're looking at a lot of lots 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.840 that have older commercial buildings or are vacant. 00:27:39.840 --> 00:27:43.340 We have big opportunities there for reuse, redevelopment. 00:27:43.340 --> 00:27:47.520 The challenge and the opportunity is to do that, 00:27:47.520 --> 00:27:49.480 having those lower minimum parking, 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.360 having those greater commercial uses, 00:27:51.360 --> 00:27:54.360 not having the open space requirement that right now, 00:27:54.360 --> 00:27:56.920 any multifamily would have to provide 8% of their lot 00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:57.760 as open space. 00:27:57.760 --> 00:27:59.080 That's not really how we do downtown. 00:27:59.080 --> 00:28:00.720 We wanna have more clustered areas, 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.000 not every lot trying to fit that in. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.760 So the opportunity to have greater flexibility 00:28:04.760 --> 00:28:07.320 to pursue downtown style development in this area 00:28:07.320 --> 00:28:10.440 could really encourage the reuse and redevelopment 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:12.640 that we expect to come no matter what, 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.840 to go in that direction of the vision of the downtown plan. 00:28:16.840 --> 00:28:19.040 We'll see a minimal negative impact here 00:28:19.040 --> 00:28:21.000 because the area is surrounded by streets. 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.080 It's not adjacent any neighborhoods. 00:28:23.080 --> 00:28:25.720 So this is one where staff is definitely recommending 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:27.920 the expansion of the MD zoning into this area. 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:29.920 Makes a lot of sense from our perspective. 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.480 Area two, in some ways similar, 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.240 a lot of commercial and some multifamily. 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:38.160 This is where we do get some of those single family 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.280 residences along the east side there. 00:28:41.280 --> 00:28:45.520 We do again expect redevelopment along South Elm Street. 00:28:45.520 --> 00:28:48.480 And MD would provide that opportunity for that redevelopment 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.000 to create a more walkable mixed use area. 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.160 So buildings that are fronting the street, 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.800 less large parking lots, 00:28:54.800 --> 00:28:56.560 something that's more akin to what 00:28:56.560 --> 00:28:58.680 the downtown plan envisions. 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.440 Also, what is proposed here would provide 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.800 a consistent depth of MD zoning off South Elm Street. 00:29:04.800 --> 00:29:06.720 So if you talk to developers, they're looking, 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:07.560 they're gonna buy it. 00:29:07.560 --> 00:29:10.400 They want a certain depth consistently with zoning. 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.080 This removes one roadblock. 00:29:12.080 --> 00:29:14.720 So if those property owners do want to sell their property 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.000 for new development there, 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.840 we've taken one step out of the way for them. 00:29:18.840 --> 00:29:21.520 So again, staff would recommend that we rezone 00:29:21.520 --> 00:29:23.680 the MN properties in this area to MD 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.160 with that ordinance language, 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.280 keeping single family residential conforming 00:29:27.280 --> 00:29:29.120 so that those owners can continue to invest 00:29:29.120 --> 00:29:31.320 in their properties for the length of time 00:29:31.320 --> 00:29:33.080 they want to continue to do that. 00:29:33.080 --> 00:29:38.960 Area three, so this is going over to the east side. 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:40.400 Again, you do have a mix of commercial, 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:41.600 residential, multifamily. 00:29:41.600 --> 00:29:44.600 This is the area that has the most vacant, 00:29:44.600 --> 00:29:46.760 developable lots, a lot of dark gray, 00:29:46.760 --> 00:29:49.720 a lot of opportunity for something to come in. 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.200 At the same time, you also have some challenges here. 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:53.880 There's a lot of streets going through this area. 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:55.240 There's a number of drainage channels 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.000 and city-owned drainage lots. 00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.560 So the available real estate is limited, 00:29:59.560 --> 00:30:02.280 which means that that flexibility provided by MD 00:30:02.280 --> 00:30:05.120 is even more important to be able to develop in this area. 00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:06.960 So to have things like townhomes, 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:08.600 multifamily mixed use in this area, 00:30:08.600 --> 00:30:11.400 MD is gonna be very helpful to make that possible 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.040 given how divided up and chopped up the real estate is here. 00:30:15.040 --> 00:30:17.000 There's also an opportunity to improve the pedestrian 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.520 experience because you have some pretty extensive areas 00:30:19.520 --> 00:30:21.400 that do not have sidewalks right now. 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.840 That's really not gonna come in unless we have development. 00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:26.800 So again, staff is recommending that for this area, 00:30:26.800 --> 00:30:30.280 all MN lots move to MD with that language 00:30:30.280 --> 00:30:32.520 protecting existing single-family residential. 00:30:32.520 --> 00:30:36.480 Area four, and this is the first one 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:37.480 we're gonna see a change. 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.840 So that's in that kind of northwest corner there. 00:30:40.840 --> 00:30:42.920 Four lots of that are the county historic park. 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.800 And then we have 11 lots south of West Sycamore Street. 00:30:45.800 --> 00:30:48.160 This area has not been removed from the floodplain. 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.080 Most of these lots were not previously zoned DCG. 00:30:51.080 --> 00:30:53.320 They were downtown residential. 00:30:53.320 --> 00:30:56.320 Those 11 lots south of Sycamore form the north boundary 00:30:56.320 --> 00:30:57.520 of the Stroud neighborhood. 00:30:57.520 --> 00:30:59.760 And in many ways, it provides a buffer 00:30:59.760 --> 00:31:00.800 between that neighborhood 00:31:00.800 --> 00:31:04.120 and the denser commercial uses across the street. 00:31:04.120 --> 00:31:05.920 Staff also sees that really functioning 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.240 as a downtown mixed use area right now. 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.000 Along that row, you have commercial, multifamily, 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.680 single-family, institutional, 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.160 pretty much every use we have is in there. 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.840 And therefore we see less of a reason to rezone that area 00:31:19.840 --> 00:31:21.400 because it's essentially functioning 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.640 the way we would wanna see a side street, 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.640 downtown street functioning. 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.640 It's difficult to justify rezoning there. 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.160 It's not along one of those main corridors. 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.000 And there's a lot of good use going on there now. 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.400 So staff would recommend, our recommendation lease 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.080 would be to maintain the MN zoning in that area. 00:31:41.080 --> 00:31:42.640 The last area is area five. 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.120 So that's southeast corner. 00:31:44.120 --> 00:31:46.600 As many of you may be familiar, 00:31:46.600 --> 00:31:49.480 that's an area that was recently pretty much fully developed 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:51.760 out with a bank and commercial uses. 00:31:51.760 --> 00:31:53.440 It is under a specific use permit 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.400 that would remain in place regardless of any zoning change. 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.400 And in order to do an expansion on that, 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.400 you would have to go back and amend the specific use permit. 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.360 Moreover, this was a very recent build out. 00:32:04.360 --> 00:32:06.280 So again, staff sees it unlikely 00:32:06.280 --> 00:32:07.800 that the property owners there would be looking 00:32:07.800 --> 00:32:10.160 to make any significant changes in the near future. 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.520 It's outside of that floodplain removal area. 00:32:12.520 --> 00:32:13.640 It's outside of the area 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.960 that the design downtown debt and plan foresaw 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:17.840 is kind of that core southern downtown. 00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:20.440 It's really more oriented towards Carroll and Eagle. 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.560 And so it's just difficult to make a case 00:32:22.560 --> 00:32:23.720 for the value of necessity 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:26.000 or necessity of rezoning that area at this time. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.000 Staff is recommending maintaining MN zoning in that area. 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:34.280 Community feedback, so obviously very important. 00:32:34.280 --> 00:32:36.640 We sent out hundreds postcards. 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:41.240 So everyone within all property owners within the area, 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.880 all property owners within 200 feet, 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.240 all residents within 500 feet, 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.040 we made sure to have two meetings 00:32:48.040 --> 00:32:50.200 on different days of the week. 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.280 We did get 16 community members. 00:32:52.280 --> 00:32:54.840 We had residents, homeowners, property owners, 00:32:54.840 --> 00:32:56.520 commercial institutional tenants. 00:32:56.520 --> 00:32:59.360 And you can see on there the various symbols. 00:32:59.360 --> 00:33:01.560 So we have people that own property, 00:33:01.560 --> 00:33:02.920 people that live there, 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.440 homeowners in the Stroud neighborhood actually. 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.480 So broad spectrum, if a small number. 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.040 We presented our analysis to them, 00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:12.880 our recommendation and gave them a lot of time 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:16.640 to give feedback both on what we were recommending changing 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.560 and what we were recommending keeping the same. 00:33:18.560 --> 00:33:21.480 They had some great discussion about some of their concerns, 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:22.560 some of the things that might worry them, 00:33:22.560 --> 00:33:24.080 things they were really excited about. 00:33:24.080 --> 00:33:25.400 And at the end of it, 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.560 unanimous support for staff's recommendation 00:33:27.560 --> 00:33:28.400 across the board. 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:29.560 Everyone was supportive of it, 00:33:29.560 --> 00:33:31.000 no matter what their background, 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.160 where they came from on it, all in favor. 00:33:36.080 --> 00:33:39.200 So with that staff's final recommendations 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:40.760 would be what you're seeing there. 00:33:40.760 --> 00:33:42.960 That MD zoning be expanded, 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.840 the MN lots for areas one, two, and three. 00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:50.000 That MN zoning be maintained in areas four and five. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.840 And that the proposed expansion of MD zoning 00:33:52.840 --> 00:33:54.600 include language to keep existing 00:33:54.600 --> 00:33:57.120 single-family residential dwellings 00:33:57.120 --> 00:33:59.320 in the rezoned areas as conforming. 00:33:59.320 --> 00:34:03.000 So given that, we have our four questions. 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.480 To you all, do you concur with our recommendation 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:09.880 for the areas to expand MD zoning in one through three? 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.120 Do you concur with our recommendation 00:34:12.120 --> 00:34:15.840 that areas four and five be maintained as MN? 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.120 Do you concur with our recommendation 00:34:17.120 --> 00:34:19.320 regarding protecting those single-family uses? 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.480 And do you have any other specific thoughts 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.360 or concerns about the proposed expansion of MD zoning? 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.840 Just briefly to let you know, 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.560 next steps, if non-support would be coming back to you 00:34:31.560 --> 00:34:33.480 with a public hearing and then going to city council 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.280 with a public hearing and hopefully completing this 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.280 by late summer, early fall, if possible. 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.360 But primary reason we're here 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:42.920 is to get your feedback on those questions. 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:44.600 So I will hand that off to you 00:34:44.600 --> 00:34:45.880 and answer any questions you have 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.680 and then look forward to your feedback. 00:34:47.680 --> 00:34:52.640 - Sorry, just one point of clarification. 00:34:52.640 --> 00:34:58.520 The number of definitions in our code for conforming 00:34:58.520 --> 00:35:00.680 and non-conforming and legally non-conforming 00:35:00.680 --> 00:35:03.520 and sometimes gets me confused. 00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:07.840 My understanding is that by allowing 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.640 or by including language or that recommendation 00:35:12.640 --> 00:35:17.000 to include language, making those existing residences 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:23.800 conforming that if there was a damage to the property, 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.480 for instance, that destroyed more than 50% 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.880 of the livability of the home or something, 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.480 they would still be allowed to rebuild. 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.480 Is that the lion's share of what that does 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.800 or are there any other main things? 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:38.880 - That is a key part of it. 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.680 As Tina pointed out, it's also important 00:35:40.680 --> 00:35:42.680 for being able to reinvest in the home. 00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:43.920 It's also important if you want it to be able 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.440 to expand the home, if you're wanting to build onto it. 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.400 So all of those things would be protected by that language. 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:56.560 - All right, any other questions? 00:35:56.560 --> 00:35:59.840 So be thinking of those four things. 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:05.000 Areas one, two, three, yes, sorry, Tina. 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.160 - No, I was just gonna ask for benefit 00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:10.280 of us receiving your direction. 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.080 Maybe we take the questions one by one 00:36:12.080 --> 00:36:13.160 if that's okay with you. 00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:17.880 - Yeah, so before we go specific for answering the questions, 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.000 are there any other, 'cause there's a lot of maps and things, 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.440 any other questions that the commission had? 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.000 Yeah, Commissioner McDonough. 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:31.000 - Where is the park that we talk about, the proposed park? 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:38.680 - So I should note that we have a concept plan, 00:36:38.680 --> 00:36:42.160 but that is something, there is no set location for the park. 00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:45.360 It is a concept that within that area, 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.320 generally in the central part of it, 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:49.680 at some point there would be a park. 00:36:49.680 --> 00:36:52.400 It's not a set by any means of where that would be 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.560 because that's still property that would need to be acquired 00:36:54.560 --> 00:36:56.000 in order to create that. 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.840 - So you're thinking of pocket park? 00:36:58.840 --> 00:36:59.840 - What the plan recommends 00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.640 is actually a fairly substantial park, multiple blocks. 00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:04.360 Now, again, we don't know how that will play out, 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:06.600 but that is the concept proposed by the plan. 00:37:06.600 --> 00:37:08.000 - Okay. 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.000 - Yes, for the benefit of the commission, 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.360 one of the things that the Design Downtown Denton Plan 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.600 really focused on is what are actions 00:37:14.600 --> 00:37:16.280 that we, the city, could take 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.280 that would help with revitalization 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.920 and in attracting infill development to the downtown area. 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.440 So that's why you see, you would find in the plan 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.760 a series of policy recommended actions 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.360 and then like improvement actions 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.040 that we, the city, could take. 00:37:30.040 --> 00:37:33.720 We really focused on how can we leverage our actions 00:37:33.720 --> 00:37:37.680 to be able to attract that private investment. 00:37:37.680 --> 00:37:41.400 The park in Southern Downtown was something 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.240 that really resonated with the community 00:37:43.240 --> 00:37:45.720 and received a lot of positive feedback. 00:37:45.720 --> 00:37:48.280 To Sean's point, that park has some flexibility 00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:49.680 in its location. 00:37:49.680 --> 00:37:52.480 In the plan, it's situated between Elm and Locus. 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.640 It could slide north or south. 00:37:54.640 --> 00:37:56.200 It could possibly shift east or west, 00:37:56.200 --> 00:37:57.920 but we would try to work to keep it, 00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.600 ideally, in that Elm-Locust area 00:37:59.600 --> 00:38:02.560 because it has the ability to benefit properties 00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:05.160 on both sides, given the significance of Elm and Locus 00:38:05.160 --> 00:38:08.200 for bringing people to downtown. 00:38:08.200 --> 00:38:10.960 But then also when we think about future development, 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.280 as properties develop adjacent to Elm and Locus, 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:18.440 they could be able to take advantage of that amenity. 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:20.920 And typically what we find is developments 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.720 are likely going to have higher price points associated 00:38:23.720 --> 00:38:26.920 with them, especially with the property value improvements, 00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:29.560 when they are adjacent to public amenities, 00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:31.480 such as an open space. 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.960 Additionally, with us providing that future part, 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.440 then it allows for property owners to be able 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.920 to maximize their development rights on their property 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:43.120 without necessarily providing that open space amenity, 00:38:43.120 --> 00:38:45.400 especially if they were to do a residential project. 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.600 But again, I wanna emphasize, our goal was in the plan 00:38:48.600 --> 00:38:51.600 with the recommended actions, what are actions 00:38:51.600 --> 00:38:54.200 that we, the city, could take to be able to leverage 00:38:54.200 --> 00:38:56.760 our public dollar to try and get it go much farther 00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.560 to be able to attract that investment? 00:38:59.560 --> 00:39:01.640 When you're working on redevelopment of areas, 00:39:01.640 --> 00:39:03.520 you have to have three things. 00:39:03.520 --> 00:39:05.640 You have to have willing property owners 00:39:05.640 --> 00:39:08.320 that are either wanting to do the work themselves 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.760 and invest in their property or be willing to sell 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.000 to someone who is willing to build 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.280 in accordance with the vision. 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:17.900 You also have to have market support 00:39:17.900 --> 00:39:19.020 to be able to attract that development. 00:39:19.020 --> 00:39:19.860 And then you also have to have 00:39:19.860 --> 00:39:21.900 that financial capital in place. 00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:24.900 So we're trying to address the regulatory aspects, 00:39:24.900 --> 00:39:27.920 those things that we can to remove some of those barriers 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:32.480 to hopefully be supportive of property owners 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.520 and/or future owners within downtown, 00:39:34.520 --> 00:39:38.400 but then also hopefully would have market support 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.840 to be able to help have these projects come to fruition. 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:42.160 And then again, those willing property owners 00:39:42.160 --> 00:39:43.760 or that financial capital in order to be able 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:44.960 to make those projects occur, 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.320 whether they be small scale infill development 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.560 or larger scale developments that could occur. 00:39:49.560 --> 00:39:56.820 - Okay, any other question? 00:39:56.820 --> 00:39:59.640 Yeah, Commissioner Dyer. 00:39:59.640 --> 00:40:01.980 Sir, so I have one. 00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:08.600 If you can go to the southern portion, 00:40:08.600 --> 00:40:11.640 you mentioned there's a few lots that the city owns. 00:40:11.640 --> 00:40:12.880 Yeah, this works well. 00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:18.240 I think the city owns those PFs zoned lots 00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:19.920 on either side of Wainwright 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:24.320 and then on the west of Locust Street, right? 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:26.560 - Yes, the ones that are in blue are generally city owned. 00:40:26.560 --> 00:40:31.400 - Yeah, and the recommendation for the rezoning 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:33.280 is to leave those as PF 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.840 as opposed to transitioning them to MD, is that correct? 00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.680 - For the time being, yes, 00:40:39.680 --> 00:40:41.000 partly because a number of those 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:44.000 are actually contain active infrastructure 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.440 in our drainage lots. 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.400 So we're recommending leaving those as they are for now, 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.420 certain that they are city owned. 00:40:53.420 --> 00:40:54.440 - Yeah, so I'm familiar. 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:56.520 I mean, the one on the east side of Wainwright 00:40:56.520 --> 00:41:00.040 and then certainly that large block east of there, 00:41:00.040 --> 00:41:02.600 there's open ditches, right? 00:41:02.600 --> 00:41:05.000 But the ones on the west side of Wainwright, 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.440 I thought had been all, 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.120 I mean, there would be an easement there obviously, 00:41:09.120 --> 00:41:11.560 but I thought that it had been covered up. 00:41:11.560 --> 00:41:14.480 - Yeah, there are some, 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.400 one or two of those lots 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:16.960 that may potentially be developable 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.920 and certainly would be open to considering 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:23.160 whether we'd wanna look at zoning those as MD as well. 00:41:23.160 --> 00:41:25.620 That's, I think there's potentially an opportunity there 00:41:25.620 --> 00:41:29.120 and we just need to look at what the plans are 00:41:29.120 --> 00:41:30.680 if there is a department that has a particular plan 00:41:30.680 --> 00:41:33.640 for that lot, whether that fits with their intentions. 00:41:33.640 --> 00:41:35.500 But there is the potential there 00:41:35.500 --> 00:41:36.720 and one or more of those lots 00:41:36.720 --> 00:41:38.600 may be something that we would in fact wanna have ready 00:41:38.600 --> 00:41:39.760 for future private development. 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:41.200 - Yeah, okay. - Thank you. 00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:44.520 - Okay, so one more question, Commissioner Riggs. 00:41:44.520 --> 00:41:49.200 - So that could be way off wrong, Commissioner Pruitt, 00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:51.720 but I believe those lots east of Wainwright 00:41:51.720 --> 00:41:54.160 have major drainage infrastructure underground. 00:41:54.160 --> 00:41:58.200 - Yeah, oh, you mean, you said east, do you mean west? 00:41:58.200 --> 00:41:59.280 - Yes, I'm sorry, west. 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:00.120 - Correct. - Yeah. 00:42:00.120 --> 00:42:00.960 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.220 They definitely have the huge boxes under there. 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.240 And I'm no building official. 00:42:09.240 --> 00:42:12.320 I don't know what use you could put over there. 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:16.200 Most things are accomplishable with enough money, right? 00:42:16.200 --> 00:42:19.840 - There you go. - But okay, thank you. 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:20.960 - I did have one other question. 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.960 And I know this may not be something 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.800 really exactly pertaining to this, 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.360 but I do remember back in the day, 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:28.560 there being some concerns 00:42:28.560 --> 00:42:30.680 of having these multi-story buildings 00:42:30.680 --> 00:42:35.320 with essentially zero lot lines and fire response. 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:36.920 And basically the fire department being able 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.480 to put the outriggers out necessary 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.000 in order to get up to those higher stories. 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.640 I assume all that will go through just the typical-- 00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:46.280 - Absolutely, absolutely. - Development. 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:47.660 - Yep, no doubt. 00:42:47.660 --> 00:42:54.280 - Okay, Commissioner Dyer. 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:55.400 - Just one last question. 00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:58.880 I'm just kind of noticing the notes 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.720 that were taken from some of the meetings. 00:43:00.720 --> 00:43:05.480 And there was a concern about if you rezone this 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:09.040 to mixed use, if that would bring in vape shops. 00:43:09.040 --> 00:43:11.160 And so is that something that the city 00:43:11.160 --> 00:43:13.360 as well is concerned about? 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:18.360 Or is there no way to prevent that with the Sony? 00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:24.560 Like is it pretty much everything is available? 00:43:24.560 --> 00:43:27.880 - So one of the challenges with vape shops 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.120 is that nearly everyone we have is actually 00:43:31.120 --> 00:43:34.000 just classified as retail. 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.760 As long as 51% of what's in that store is something other, 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:40.320 can come in and that's gonna be permitted 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.920 in any downtown zoning district we have. 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.080 - So there's no way to regulate that 00:43:45.080 --> 00:43:46.760 is kind of what you're saying. 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.840 - At this time, it is difficult. 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:53.840 I mean, it is true that smoke shop is permitted use in MD, 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.080 but it's really not necessary to have that use 00:43:57.080 --> 00:43:58.160 to be able to get a vape shop 00:43:58.160 --> 00:44:01.160 if you just keep it below 50%. 00:44:01.160 --> 00:44:02.000 - Okay. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.960 - For clarification, those uses are permitted now 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.120 in the MN zoned properties, correct? 00:44:08.120 --> 00:44:10.320 - Yeah, the retail use is permitted regardless 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:11.560 and they are there. 00:44:11.560 --> 00:44:12.720 - Okay. 00:44:12.720 --> 00:44:16.160 Okay, so let's work through the four questions. 00:44:16.160 --> 00:44:18.880 First, areas one through three 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:25.000 on the central and eastern portion. 00:44:27.720 --> 00:44:30.360 Are there any thoughts of supporting 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.240 or concerns of supporting the expansion 00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:37.440 of the MD zoned area within that? 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:38.360 - I concur. 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:39.200 - Okay. 00:44:39.200 --> 00:44:41.280 - Agree with that. 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.520 - I'm for it. 00:44:43.520 --> 00:44:47.000 - Okay, yeah, sounds good to me. 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.280 - Okay. 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:52.480 - Then number two is the area four and five 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.760 that Sean talked about. 00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.160 The proposal is to leave those as MN as they are today. 00:44:59.160 --> 00:45:02.920 Any questions or concerns, direction on that? 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.760 - I concur with that too. 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:06.600 - Okay. 00:45:06.600 --> 00:45:08.040 - I do as well. 00:45:08.040 --> 00:45:08.960 - Leave it. 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.400 - Okay, I concur. 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.960 My only comment there is just, 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.840 let's be a little bit forward thinking. 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:25.240 The Sycamore Street, I think on the south side, 00:45:25.240 --> 00:45:27.640 unless the plan has changed since I've thought of that, 00:45:27.640 --> 00:45:32.640 there's an active side path project funded through DCTA 00:45:32.640 --> 00:45:35.240 and county funds and stuff. 00:45:35.240 --> 00:45:39.200 So some of that area will change 00:45:39.200 --> 00:45:41.040 just from an infrastructure perspective. 00:45:41.040 --> 00:45:43.640 I think it's perfectly appropriate to have MN there. 00:45:43.640 --> 00:45:48.520 But let's just keep all those moving pieces in our mind. 00:45:48.520 --> 00:45:49.360 - Absolutely. 00:45:50.680 --> 00:45:51.520 I'm in. 00:45:51.520 --> 00:45:52.360 Yeah. 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.120 - And just to that point, 00:45:54.120 --> 00:45:58.160 I will note that on the corner of Elm and Sycamore, 00:45:58.160 --> 00:46:00.440 we do have that MD zoning where is that vacant lot 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.200 and we definitely do expect and look forward 00:46:02.200 --> 00:46:04.040 to development there. 00:46:04.040 --> 00:46:05.120 - Okay, yeah. 00:46:05.120 --> 00:46:07.760 All right. 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.320 Item three, do we concur with staff's recommendation 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:16.920 that we should include the specific language 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.120 keeping single family residential dwellings conforming? 00:46:20.120 --> 00:46:22.440 I believe all of those within the area 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.360 were in area three, is that correct? 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.240 - There are also some in area two. 00:46:27.240 --> 00:46:28.240 - Okay, okay. 00:46:28.240 --> 00:46:32.000 So do we concur with that? 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:32.840 - I concur. 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:33.880 - Okay. 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:35.600 - Yes, yeah. 00:46:35.600 --> 00:46:40.600 - Yeah, yeah, that's great for me, I concur. 00:46:40.600 --> 00:46:44.400 And number four is they're being nice to us. 00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:45.840 What other thoughts do we have 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:51.760 as we look forward to the growth of our downtown 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.080 and our city in this area? 00:46:53.080 --> 00:46:55.960 Commissioner Riggs. 00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.320 - So one of the things that I'm not very clear on 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.480 and hopefully you can expand on it, 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:03.240 but I know with the MD zoning, 00:47:03.240 --> 00:47:05.520 so there's not all the parking requirements. 00:47:05.520 --> 00:47:10.360 If this develops and it revitalizes and that's great, 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.720 what kind of concerns are there about lack of parking 00:47:13.720 --> 00:47:15.760 and that type of? 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.560 - Yeah, absolutely, great question. 00:47:17.560 --> 00:47:21.800 So one important thing to note is that for multifamily, 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.600 that requirement is still in place 00:47:23.600 --> 00:47:25.040 once you get above 10 units. 00:47:25.040 --> 00:47:26.560 So one of the things that tends to drive 00:47:26.560 --> 00:47:29.280 a lot of parking needs, that is still in place. 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:33.640 If we do and we look forward to and hope to see 00:47:33.640 --> 00:47:37.240 some great commercial mixed use developments, 00:47:37.240 --> 00:47:39.640 the design downtown plan also anticipates 00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:42.080 looking for opportunities to work with future developers 00:47:42.080 --> 00:47:44.920 to bring in a parking garage that could potentially be 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.080 a public-private partnership. 00:47:46.080 --> 00:47:47.440 Exactly how that will work out, 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:48.800 obviously we don't know now, 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:50.840 but that's something that the plan absolutely recommends 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:52.800 that we look for an opportunity to include 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.160 in the future development. 00:47:54.160 --> 00:47:57.320 So hopefully as we see those successful things coming in, 00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.120 we'll have that opportunity to have that discussion about, 00:47:59.120 --> 00:48:01.440 hey, where can we get a public lot, 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.080 not a public lot, a public structure 00:48:03.080 --> 00:48:04.720 will be an efficient use of space, 00:48:04.720 --> 00:48:06.520 hopefully that would be part of something else 00:48:06.520 --> 00:48:09.280 attached to a multifamily where we would share some levels. 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:11.040 Exactly what it would look like again, not sure, 00:48:11.040 --> 00:48:12.480 but we definitely are gonna be looking now 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.880 for those opportunities to provide that parking 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:18.040 in a more efficient way than the lots we have now. 00:48:18.040 --> 00:48:21.560 - So to expand on that, 00:48:21.560 --> 00:48:23.440 'cause every time I've ever heard a plan 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:24.840 that's gonna include a parking garage, 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.840 it seems that the parking garage is the last, 00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:28.960 very last thing or it just never happens. 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.640 Is there a way in this that we can ensure that 00:48:32.640 --> 00:48:34.640 or is this too early of a stage? 00:48:34.640 --> 00:48:35.960 - This is gonna be a little early. 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.080 So this is really gonna be a step one. 00:48:38.080 --> 00:48:39.360 We absolutely have other steps. 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.360 I mean, one of the things we'll wanna look at 00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:46.000 is whether we continue to allow parking lots 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:47.080 as a principal use in this area. 00:48:47.080 --> 00:48:48.600 So there's definitely gonna be a number of things 00:48:48.600 --> 00:48:51.600 we wanna look at, things Chair has brought up 00:48:51.600 --> 00:48:53.800 that absolutely this needs to be just step one. 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:55.640 We're looking forward to coming back to with many more. 00:48:55.640 --> 00:48:59.040 So great ideas, we'll stay on it. 00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:00.320 - If I could add to that, 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.720 some communities that I've worked in 00:49:02.720 --> 00:49:04.160 have actually had opportunities 00:49:04.160 --> 00:49:07.320 to do kind of a public-private partnership option 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:08.880 in a community that I used to work in 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.840 where we did quite a bit of downtown revitalization. 00:49:12.520 --> 00:49:16.200 As an effort, we had a need for some additional parking 00:49:16.200 --> 00:49:18.080 in the downtown area, 00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:21.200 particularly for our police force that we had. 00:49:21.200 --> 00:49:23.200 But we, the city had owned some property 00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:25.840 and were able to work with a developer 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:27.480 of a multifamily development 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.240 who was able to provide us the ground floor 00:49:30.240 --> 00:49:32.360 of their parking garage facility 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.440 so that we would have the ability to secure 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.960 some police vehicles at that time. 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.440 But it was an example of a public-private partnership 00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:42.600 that we've done with that. 00:49:42.600 --> 00:49:46.680 Another project I can think of in that same downtown area, 00:49:46.680 --> 00:49:49.240 actually two projects I can think of now. 00:49:49.240 --> 00:49:51.920 The city was a partner in those projects 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.520 and worked with the developers 00:49:53.520 --> 00:49:55.400 so that the structure parking that they were providing 00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.160 for their multifamily development, 00:49:57.160 --> 00:49:59.080 the city was able to have the ground floor 00:49:59.080 --> 00:50:02.080 be available for public parking and was signed as such 00:50:02.080 --> 00:50:04.840 so that it was open and available to the public. 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.960 So there are a variety of opportunities 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.040 that could come about for us to be able to help address 00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:14.680 that need should that need arise, 00:50:14.680 --> 00:50:16.600 especially if we're starting to see investment 00:50:16.600 --> 00:50:17.420 within an area. 00:50:17.420 --> 00:50:19.280 Because if we have an opportunity to do some sort 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:21.760 of public-private partnership opportunity, 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.480 then that helps both meet developer needs 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:25.720 but also meet the city's needs 00:50:25.720 --> 00:50:28.120 without the potential for us just going 00:50:28.120 --> 00:50:30.320 and building a parking structure, right? 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:33.080 So, but I think your point's well taken. 00:50:33.080 --> 00:50:33.920 - Absolutely. 00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.520 We are also in the midst of finalizing 00:50:36.520 --> 00:50:39.120 a city-wide parking study that will include recommendations 00:50:39.120 --> 00:50:40.680 that apply to this area, 00:50:40.680 --> 00:50:42.220 which may at some point in the future 00:50:42.220 --> 00:50:46.440 involve some more management of downtown parking 00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:48.440 in a more central way. 00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.800 So hopefully moving in a lot of good directions 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:51.640 on that front. 00:50:51.640 --> 00:50:54.840 - Commissioner Dyer. 00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.200 - I would just like to encourage staff 00:50:58.200 --> 00:51:03.200 that once all of this is no longer just a concept plan 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.800 and a thought, where you're actually out there 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.200 trying to get developers to come 00:51:09.200 --> 00:51:11.000 and you're seeking them and inviting them 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.360 to start developing this area 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:16.400 to really look at the whole townhouse development. 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.280 I think that would be a great opportunity 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.760 where you're not doing the apartments, the multifamily, 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:27.480 'cause sometimes that has that negative connotation. 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:31.920 But you're really allowing for affordable housing 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.680 and sometimes your townhouses are your, 00:51:34.680 --> 00:51:39.440 are somebody's first step into home ownership. 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:43.440 And it's helping those single individuals 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.960 or maybe newly married people or even older people 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.840 that might be empty nesters that no longer want the care 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:51.720 of a single family residence, 00:51:51.720 --> 00:51:54.880 but they've raised their kids and now they want to 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.320 live the high life in downtown. 00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.120 I think that there's some really cool things 00:52:00.120 --> 00:52:02.440 that you can do, so I would really encourage 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:07.440 to bring that to this area more so than maybe apartments 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:10.760 since there's a lot of apartments in Denton. 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.200 - Thank you, absolutely. 00:52:13.200 --> 00:52:15.000 And one of the things I actually said 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.400 in one of our community meetings was that 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:17.920 if you're wanting to do townhomes, 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.520 that is one of the things that's going to benefit most 00:52:20.520 --> 00:52:23.200 from this and from some of the other things we're working on 00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:26.080 because that would be that under that parking cap. 00:52:26.080 --> 00:52:28.880 So there's potentially gonna be a lot more freedom in this 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:30.880 to be able to develop townhomes. 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.360 And with some of the other things working on right now, 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.120 other members of staff are bringing forward 00:52:35.120 --> 00:52:36.960 to remove some of the real challenges 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.120 we've had to townhome development in our code so far. 00:52:40.120 --> 00:52:42.040 We are absolutely in support of that. 00:52:42.040 --> 00:52:44.080 I'm really excited to make that much more easy 00:52:44.080 --> 00:52:45.040 to develop in this area. 00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:46.240 - Well, it's very interesting, you know, 00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:50.000 having lived in other states and one in particular, 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.360 townhouses was that first step because in that area, 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:57.520 the cost of housing was so costly, it was so high 00:52:57.520 --> 00:52:59.960 that that was really the first opportunity 00:52:59.960 --> 00:53:03.920 that young people could get to be able to own a house. 00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:06.880 And it's just, it's gonna be balancing it 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.360 to making sure that, 'cause you know, 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.320 there are luxury townhouses out there. 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:12.640 So you don't want to have the developer 00:53:12.640 --> 00:53:14.080 who's putting in these, you know, 00:53:14.080 --> 00:53:17.840 townhouses that cost six, seven, $800,000 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:19.720 'cause that kind of defeats the purpose 00:53:19.720 --> 00:53:23.040 of making this an opportunity for young people 00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:26.040 to purchase their first home. 00:53:26.040 --> 00:53:26.880 - Thank you. 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.080 - Well, in fact, we already had one property owner 00:53:29.080 --> 00:53:30.600 who mentioned like, if this goes through, 00:53:30.600 --> 00:53:32.200 she's really interested in bringing in townhomes 00:53:32.200 --> 00:53:33.320 on her property, so. 00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:37.920 - Sean, could you address the residential goal that-- 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:38.760 - Yeah, absolutely. 00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.000 - In the design downtown plan 'cause several 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:42.760 of the commissioners may not be familiar with that. 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:43.600 - Yeah, definitely. 00:53:43.600 --> 00:53:45.880 So one of the things that in the plan, 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.720 we actually set a goal of adding an additional 1,500 units 00:53:49.720 --> 00:53:51.480 of housing to downtown. 00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:52.680 In talking with our consultants, 00:53:52.680 --> 00:53:57.600 they said we had a strangely low amount of residential 00:53:57.600 --> 00:53:59.600 in our downtown, and they could look at, 00:53:59.600 --> 00:54:02.720 without us doing anything, a significant increase 00:54:02.720 --> 00:54:03.680 that the market would bring in. 00:54:03.680 --> 00:54:05.160 So we wanted to even go above and beyond that 00:54:05.160 --> 00:54:07.280 and set that goal of 1,500. 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:10.480 And our policy and project recommendation within that 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.080 are targeted very much towards that goal 00:54:13.080 --> 00:54:15.800 of bringing a significant increase in available housing 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.080 to make downtown more affordable for everyone. 00:54:18.080 --> 00:54:20.840 So absolutely, that's a key part of it. 00:54:23.520 --> 00:54:25.600 - Commissioner McDuff, did you have any? 00:54:25.600 --> 00:54:27.920 - I believe we've covered everything. 00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:29.800 I was just looking through the comments, 00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:33.440 and Commissioner Lisa, I'm glad you talked 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.360 about the townhomes. 00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:39.880 I think that's good for all groups, for all demographics, 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.200 and brings that density and the services to downtown. 00:54:43.200 --> 00:54:48.200 There are some comments here about the need 00:54:48.200 --> 00:54:50.400 for a grocery store, I'm sure you've seen that. 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.920 We all know that, about that, 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.560 and the need to protect the trees. 00:54:55.560 --> 00:54:57.320 And of course, we're serious about that, 00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.200 the landscaping and the sidewalks. 00:55:00.200 --> 00:55:02.320 - Absolutely, absolutely. 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.720 Well, and with our design downtown, Denton Plan, 00:55:04.720 --> 00:55:06.720 some of the other policy recommendations relate 00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:10.160 to specifically looking at setting those strong 00:55:10.160 --> 00:55:12.160 right-of-way streetscaping standards 00:55:12.160 --> 00:55:14.320 to really make sure that as this area redevelops, 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:16.480 it is something that is high quality, 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.720 pursuing what we call our chill streets policy, 00:55:18.720 --> 00:55:21.920 of prioritizing certain areas as really pedestrian-friendly 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.040 and making them as green and shaded as we can. 00:55:25.040 --> 00:55:27.120 So, yes, the plan would agree with you. 00:55:27.120 --> 00:55:29.600 - Okay. 00:55:29.600 --> 00:55:32.200 Just have a few things. 00:55:32.200 --> 00:55:36.640 I don't know how to evaluate, real-time, 00:55:36.640 --> 00:55:40.640 whether those lots west of Wainwright have value 00:55:40.640 --> 00:55:43.920 other than open space, based on the infrastructure 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:45.160 that's underneath them. 00:55:45.160 --> 00:55:47.240 I just ask that somebody who does understand 00:55:47.240 --> 00:55:48.840 that would think about this, 00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.040 so that we don't have to do this twice. 00:55:51.040 --> 00:55:52.080 (laughing) 00:55:52.080 --> 00:55:55.560 If in fact, those are developable. 00:55:55.560 --> 00:55:57.760 You know, there may be some opportunities 00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:01.160 that are synergistic with our affordable housing toolkit, 00:56:01.160 --> 00:56:04.360 where a public-private partnership where we own the land 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.400 and that sort of thing could be an opportunity there. 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:14.040 The absolutely support staff thinking through 00:56:15.240 --> 00:56:20.240 from a streetscape perspective what controls are wise 00:56:20.240 --> 00:56:25.440 in this area, just to, you know. 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:30.440 Denton loves unique and varied things, and that's great. 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:36.880 But there's a difference between unique and varied 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:38.800 as you walk along East Hickory Street, 00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:41.440 where the buildings are still kind of in a similar place 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:44.840 versus unique and varied, where it looks like 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.320 one of them was forgotten and there's some, you know, 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.120 tall weeds in between you and the building or something. 00:56:50.120 --> 00:56:54.680 Appropriate, but just, we should think through that. 00:56:54.680 --> 00:56:57.640 Along with that, you mentioned street trees. 00:56:57.640 --> 00:57:02.640 I wonder whether the way we handle street trees 00:57:02.640 --> 00:57:06.160 in this area should be somewhat unique 00:57:06.160 --> 00:57:10.200 just because of how there's a text-out street, 00:57:10.200 --> 00:57:14.120 but we're doing a take-back program and, you know, 00:57:14.120 --> 00:57:16.400 there's probably some on-street parking 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:19.240 and it's likely that those 00:57:19.240 --> 00:57:26.360 future projects to update infrastructure 00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.400 won't coincide always with a development project. 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:32.800 There's a lot of things to think through there. 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:38.440 Let's just make sure that the end goal in mind 00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:43.440 is a nice tree-lined street with, you know, 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.840 an extension of what people love, essentially. 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:51.480 And then on the parking comments, you know, 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.840 I think, thank you for staff for providing that. 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.720 Certainly open to hear proposals in the future. 00:57:59.720 --> 00:58:02.400 I know we can't determine what's gonna happen. 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:06.320 If something like that does happen, 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:10.820 I would just ask that we evaluate it from a, 00:58:12.160 --> 00:58:17.160 you know, cost understanding of what those amenities 00:58:17.160 --> 00:58:24.200 are costing us either in whatever it would be, right, 00:58:24.200 --> 00:58:27.200 as you negotiate those partnerships. 00:58:27.200 --> 00:58:29.400 And I look forward to combining that 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:34.400 with the parking management discussions in this area 00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:36.360 and other areas that are high demand. 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.120 And then the last thing is I would just, 00:58:39.120 --> 00:58:44.120 I think the 2024 International Code Council adoption process 00:58:44.120 --> 00:58:50.800 may be starting soon with HABSCO, 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:52.760 with the health and building standards. 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:55.320 It'd be interesting to see if there's anything 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.440 that they could do to remove some barriers 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.780 to what we want to see in this area as well, 00:59:01.780 --> 00:59:03.800 given the constraints. 00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:05.800 - Absolutely, discussions we can have. 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.060 - Anything else? 00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:10.960 All right, thank you, John. 00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:14.120 Excited to see what happens over the next 20 years. 00:59:14.120 --> 00:59:23.480 Yeah, yeah, let's take just, we'll say five minutes 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:27.000 instead of two minutes this time to grab some dinner. 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:32.000 And then, yeah, and then we can listen to the legalese 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:36.960 on our remaining work session item here. 00:59:38.240 --> 00:59:43.240 So at 6.02 p.m., we will recess for five minutes. 00:59:43.240 --> 00:59:45.320 Thank you. 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:50.760 And with the quorum present at 6.12 p.m., 00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.040 we will reconvene the work session 00:59:53.040 --> 00:59:55.160 of the Planning and Zoning Commission. 00:59:55.160 --> 00:59:59.160 Brings us to our second work session item, 00:59:59.160 --> 01:00:01.840 item 3B, PZ25147. 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.760 Good evening, we've just got a brief recap 01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.200 for you all of some of the bigger ticket items 01:00:11.200 --> 01:00:13.360 coming out of the 89th legislative session, 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.560 in particular those that will affect 01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:16.900 land use and development. 01:00:16.900 --> 01:00:21.520 So just to give you an overview of kind of how 01:00:21.520 --> 01:00:24.760 the legislative process works for the city of Denton, 01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:27.080 each year the city manager's office works 01:00:27.080 --> 01:00:30.920 with our legislative consultant, who is down in Austin, 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:32.280 to make sure that we're tracking bills 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:34.280 that could impact the city, registering support 01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.200 and opposition where appropriate to those bills. 01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:38.560 And this year there was really a focus 01:00:38.560 --> 01:00:40.760 on kind of building relationships with our legislators 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:43.120 to try to make sure that we could have influence 01:00:43.120 --> 01:00:45.160 where possible on some of the bills 01:00:45.160 --> 01:00:47.200 as they worked their way through the process. 01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:49.480 And as part of that, you may have seen 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:51.440 they provided regular updates to city council 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.600 on kind of what was tracking and where certain bills 01:00:53.600 --> 01:00:56.500 were at that council had identified as higher priorities. 01:00:56.500 --> 01:00:59.720 Just looking at some of the numbers, 01:00:59.720 --> 01:01:02.140 it was a very busy legislative session. 01:01:02.140 --> 01:01:05.800 Over 8,000 bills were filed between the House and the Senate. 01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.360 Just over 1,200 of those made it through 01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:09.720 to the governor's desk. 01:01:09.720 --> 01:01:12.640 It was actually a fairly low passage rate 01:01:12.640 --> 01:01:16.760 when comparing that to past years at 13.8%. 01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:18.240 I believe Christy Fogle identified 01:01:18.240 --> 01:01:20.880 that was the lowest since 1991. 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:22.960 She was the member of the city manager's staff 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.320 who did all the hard work this year keeping track 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:28.120 of all of these bills and routing them to us for review. 01:01:29.200 --> 01:01:32.240 There were 711 in particular that were identified 01:01:32.240 --> 01:01:33.540 that could have an impact on the city 01:01:33.540 --> 01:01:36.200 that Christy and the other members 01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:39.000 of the city management team diligently spread out 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.320 among city staff to make sure that the relevant departments 01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:44.040 were looking at those providing responses 01:01:44.040 --> 01:01:48.120 so that we could then register our stance on those bills. 01:01:48.120 --> 01:01:50.240 160 of those went to committee hearings 01:01:50.240 --> 01:01:53.880 and 32 we actually as a city registered a position 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:56.080 on those when they made it to their committee. 01:01:56.080 --> 01:01:58.240 24 opposition and eight were in support. 01:02:00.120 --> 01:02:03.240 Not specific to anything, planning and zoning 01:02:03.240 --> 01:02:05.680 just so you're aware, some of the kind of emergency items 01:02:05.680 --> 01:02:07.400 that the governor had called on the legislator 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.320 to focus on this year. 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:11.880 Tax relief was a big topic. 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.280 Property tax relief in particular. 01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.240 Investment in the city's water or the state's water supply 01:02:17.240 --> 01:02:19.920 in terms of infrastructure improvements and funding 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.120 for statewide for projects related to water supply 01:02:23.120 --> 01:02:25.040 and water conservation and flood mitigation 01:02:25.040 --> 01:02:27.240 were all important topics. 01:02:27.240 --> 01:02:30.440 Teacher pay and education in general was a pretty big topic. 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:32.720 There were bills as you can see here, 01:02:32.720 --> 01:02:36.080 HB2 that related to investment in public schooling, 01:02:36.080 --> 01:02:38.440 particular teacher pay for longer tenured teachers 01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.400 I believe was a primary focus of that. 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:43.320 Career training was a big focus. 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.600 There was actually a Texas cyber command established 01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:48.280 that will be in San Antonio that will focus 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:49.720 on cyber security for the state. 01:02:49.720 --> 01:02:51.720 And so that there were some bills related 01:02:51.720 --> 01:02:54.600 to how do we encourage people to go into those pathways 01:02:54.600 --> 01:02:56.440 and career training for those fields. 01:02:58.200 --> 01:02:59.480 You've probably seen on the news 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.320 the education savings account bill was a hot topic this year. 01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:05.240 Bail reform actually had several bills associated with it. 01:03:05.240 --> 01:03:07.800 And then as I mentioned that cyber command for the state 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:09.920 was a pretty big topic as well. 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:14.800 Some of the notable items that would have a more impact 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:17.520 on municipalities across the state. 01:03:17.520 --> 01:03:19.960 SB3 was related to THC product sales 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:23.280 so that one could obviously impact sales tax 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:24.800 in some cities especially. 01:03:26.200 --> 01:03:28.960 There were bills related to immigration enforcement 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.760 and just state level finance that will have impacts 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.040 to cities as well as some changes to the lottery 01:03:34.040 --> 01:03:36.360 and how that will be regulated. 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.320 More particular for the city, 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:41.640 the two that were not municipal focus per se 01:03:41.640 --> 01:03:45.960 but will have a significant impact were HB1522 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:48.280 which amended the Texas Open Meetings Act. 01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:50.600 So instead of having 72 hours notice, 01:03:50.600 --> 01:03:54.000 it will now be three business days for agenda posting. 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:56.880 So you will find after September one council agendas, 01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.360 your agendas, they'll all start coming out 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.040 a little earlier than they were in the past 01:04:01.040 --> 01:04:04.160 to make sure that we meet that three business day standard. 01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:06.360 And then there was another bill related 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:08.360 to local government employee severance pay 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:10.240 that will obviously be impactful 01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:12.000 to municipalities across the city. 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:16.600 So focusing in on the ones that you all may see, 01:04:16.600 --> 01:04:18.080 code amendments or other changes 01:04:18.080 --> 01:04:20.280 and our processes related to. 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:21.320 Again, the first one on the slide 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:22.600 is just that three business days. 01:04:22.600 --> 01:04:24.160 For you all, it looks like that's probably going 01:04:24.160 --> 01:04:26.000 to be a one business day change 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.000 since your meeting is midweek. 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.960 But for the Development Code Review Committee 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:31.320 and ZBA and some of those others, 01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:34.040 that will be a big change in the agenda posting timelines 01:04:34.040 --> 01:04:35.960 to make sure that those Monday meetings 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:39.400 have their agendas posted three business days in advance. 01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:45.840 HB24 and a couple of others focused on public notification, 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.480 particular to zoning and public hearing items. 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:52.720 HB24 introduced a new set of rules for comprehensive 01:04:52.720 --> 01:04:54.760 zoning ordinance changes. 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:58.480 It defines that with a rather specific subset of things 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.640 that relate to either a city-wide adjustment to the code 01:05:01.640 --> 01:05:04.600 or the zoning map or changes that are specific 01:05:04.600 --> 01:05:06.960 to allowing more housing to be developed. 01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:11.720 So those will have different notification standards, 01:05:11.720 --> 01:05:14.680 different protest thresholds applied to them. 01:05:14.680 --> 01:05:16.720 For some zoning changes, the protest threshold 01:05:16.720 --> 01:05:19.320 is increased to 60% instead of 20% 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.400 in terms of what would trigger a possible change 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.080 at the council level vote. 01:05:24.080 --> 01:05:26.240 But at the same time, it amends that super majority vote, 01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:29.000 so it's not as applicable to all zoning changes 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.320 as it has been in the past. 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:37.440 HB4506 is an optional notification change. 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:39.560 It allows cities to create 01:05:39.560 --> 01:05:42.600 a electronic opt-in notification process 01:05:42.600 --> 01:05:44.320 that people could use to either receive email 01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:45.960 or text updates. 01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.160 In lieu of the mailed notices, 01:05:49.160 --> 01:05:51.360 the tricky part of that is that it still mandates 01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:53.320 that we meet the mailed notification timeline 01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.680 if we don't get a delivery receipt 01:05:55.680 --> 01:05:56.720 for that electronic notice. 01:05:56.720 --> 01:05:59.920 So it's possibly not something that many cities 01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:01.320 will look to actually opt into 01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:05.000 since the timing of it would require that electronic notice 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:06.920 to go out significantly in advance 01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:09.400 so that we know whether or not we get a read receipt 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:11.520 basically prior to the mailed notice date. 01:06:11.520 --> 01:06:15.360 So good intent, but maybe not something 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.080 that will see a lot of impact across the state. 01:06:17.080 --> 01:06:18.600 But that one did get enough votes 01:06:18.600 --> 01:06:19.680 to become effective immediately 01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:21.240 should cities want to opt into that 01:06:21.240 --> 01:06:23.440 and create a system for it. 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.600 And then SB617 is not one that I anticipate 01:06:27.600 --> 01:06:29.240 will see any changes by, 01:06:29.240 --> 01:06:32.320 but if in the event we do seek to create 01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:36.080 another municipal-controlled homeless facility 01:06:36.080 --> 01:06:37.480 or facility to house individuals 01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:38.840 experiencing homelessness, 01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:41.280 there are new, very enhanced 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:43.440 public notification requirements for that. 01:06:46.160 --> 01:06:47.320 With respect to land use, 01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:48.840 we had a handful of bills 01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:52.720 that you all likely will see DDC amendments coming forward 01:06:52.720 --> 01:06:55.880 to make sure that we address and are in line with. 01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:59.760 SB1567 preempt cities from regulating 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.440 the number of unrelated persons within a dwelling unit. 01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.880 That bill was bracketed to be specific 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:06.080 primarily to college towns, 01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:07.600 so Denton falls within that 01:07:07.600 --> 01:07:10.240 given the population of our universities. 01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:12.040 So we currently do have a standard in the code 01:07:12.040 --> 01:07:14.000 that speaks to the maximum number of persons 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:15.520 that can occupy a dwelling, and we will need 01:07:15.520 --> 01:07:16.600 to remove that in the future. 01:07:16.600 --> 01:07:19.480 So you'll see amendments coming forward for that. 01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:25.120 HB 2464 addresses home occupations. 01:07:25.120 --> 01:07:30.920 Significantly preempt cities from regulating 01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:34.440 what it defines as no impact home-based businesses, 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.880 and it offers suggestions as to what those would be 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:39.720 so the businesses that don't basically have 01:07:39.720 --> 01:07:42.240 any visual effect from the road or create traffic 01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:44.080 or anything of that nature specifies 01:07:44.080 --> 01:07:48.120 that cities cannot regulate those businesses. 01:07:48.120 --> 01:07:51.520 So we do have a fairly hefty set of home occupation rules 01:07:51.520 --> 01:07:53.480 in our DDC that we are currently looking at, 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:55.680 and we'll be bringing forward amendments to. 01:07:55.680 --> 01:08:01.520 HB 2844 is a preemption on the city's ability 01:08:01.520 --> 01:08:05.040 to regulate food trucks and small food businesses. 01:08:05.040 --> 01:08:09.280 The wording on this one has been very tricky 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:10.720 for us to piecemeal. 01:08:10.720 --> 01:08:12.320 Tina and Angie and I actually got to sit in 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:15.440 on a session about it this week 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.920 with some of the state-level authorities 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:21.640 who were speaking to how the Department of State, 01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:24.960 dishes, I can't remember what it stands for, 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:27.160 basically the State Health Department, 01:08:27.160 --> 01:08:30.160 and how they will be rolling out rules 01:08:30.160 --> 01:08:32.160 to help implement that bill, and it sounds like 01:08:32.160 --> 01:08:35.080 we may still have some limited zoning authority under it, 01:08:35.080 --> 01:08:36.520 so we're still examining that 01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:39.360 and how the food truck regulations 01:08:39.360 --> 01:08:40.960 that we had discussed with Council earlier this year 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:43.920 may or may not be able to actually be brought forward now. 01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:48.920 And then finally, the last of the land use category 01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:50.760 were the impacts that we discussed briefly 01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:52.600 at your CIA AC meeting. 01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:56.480 So SB 1883 speaks to cities not being able 01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:58.880 to adjust impact fees more than every three years, 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:01.640 and also removed language that said 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:04.120 that planning and zoning commissions may serve as the CIA AC. 01:09:04.120 --> 01:09:07.240 So with that language now gone from the state regulations, 01:09:07.240 --> 01:09:10.720 our charter controls and states 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:11.880 that planning and zoning commission members 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:13.880 can only serve on the planning and zoning commission, 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:16.000 so hence that upcoming work session 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:20.120 to see how council wants to address CIA AC moving forward. 01:09:20.120 --> 01:09:25.800 And housing was a major theme for the legislature this year, 01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:27.040 so there are a handful of bills 01:09:27.040 --> 01:09:29.480 that made it through related to that. 01:09:29.480 --> 01:09:32.920 Only one of them will be a near-term impact 01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:35.000 on the city of Denton as it stands today 01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:36.600 due to our population. 01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:39.680 So SB 785 speaks to cities 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:42.480 having to allow HUD code manufactured housing by right 01:09:42.480 --> 01:09:44.320 in at least one residential district. 01:09:44.320 --> 01:09:47.080 It also imposes limitations on when a city 01:09:47.080 --> 01:09:49.720 can require specific use permits for those. 01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.920 This bill has an effective date of September 1st of next year, 01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:56.200 so we have time to analyze this and see 01:09:56.200 --> 01:09:57.880 what our plan will be for amending 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.320 the Denton Development Code for that. 01:10:00.320 --> 01:10:02.880 The other three bills that you see on your screen here 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.920 all had brackets where they are only applicable 01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:08.320 to cities with 150,000 persons or more 01:10:08.320 --> 01:10:11.160 based on the latest census. 01:10:11.160 --> 01:10:12.400 We fall just under that. 01:10:12.400 --> 01:10:16.480 I think we were in the 138 range at the 2020 census, 01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:19.000 so even though we know we're probably over that in real time, 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:20.520 the census hasn't caught up with it yet, 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.760 so we have until 2030 on these bills. 01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.920 But barring any other change from the legislatures 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:28.360 in the next two sessions, 01:10:28.360 --> 01:10:30.960 these could be impactful come 2030. 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.720 SB 15 speaks to lot sizes 01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:38.280 and says that cities essentially can't require by zoning 01:10:38.280 --> 01:10:40.160 that lots be larger than 3,000 square feet 01:10:40.160 --> 01:10:43.040 for new developments that are five acres or larger. 01:10:43.040 --> 01:10:45.440 So us having a lot of vacant land 01:10:45.440 --> 01:10:48.920 with rural residential zoning or lower density zoning on it, 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:50.280 that could be a significant change 01:10:50.280 --> 01:10:52.800 if this bill's still in effect in 2030. 01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.160 It also speaks to existing small lots 01:10:55.160 --> 01:10:58.640 and limits cities' abilities to enforce setbacks, 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:02.160 parking requirements, building bulk and height, 01:11:02.160 --> 01:11:03.920 and things of that nature 01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:06.840 for any lots less than 4,000 square feet. 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:08.600 So some of our neighboring cities 01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.160 will see significant impacts from that. 01:11:11.160 --> 01:11:13.040 And then the next two on your screen 01:11:13.040 --> 01:11:15.760 both relate to multifamily and mixed-use development. 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:19.680 SB 840 requires that cities allow mixed-use residential 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:21.600 and multifamily in any district 01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.040 that allows office, commercial, retail, warehouse, 01:11:24.040 --> 01:11:26.040 or mixed-use development. 01:11:26.040 --> 01:11:28.800 So again, that could have a very significant impact 01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:30.320 if it's still in place in 2030 01:11:30.320 --> 01:11:32.640 when this bill would become applicable to Denton. 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:37.280 And SB 2477 was kind of a companion to SB 840. 01:11:37.280 --> 01:11:39.440 It was reliant upon that. 01:11:39.440 --> 01:11:42.520 But it further addresses office building conversions 01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:44.280 to multifamily or mixed-use. 01:11:44.280 --> 01:11:49.920 And finally, City of Denton was very happy to see 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:53.040 that we were deemed the official Halloween capital of Texas. 01:11:53.040 --> 01:11:56.200 So with our second annual 31 days of Denton Halloween 01:11:56.200 --> 01:11:58.560 this year, we can celebrate that even further. 01:12:00.240 --> 01:12:02.200 So the next steps for this, 01:12:02.200 --> 01:12:03.560 as you saw several of the bills 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:05.520 do have September 1 effective dates. 01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:08.160 Knowing that we probably won't get through 01:12:08.160 --> 01:12:09.800 a dual public hearing process before then, 01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:11.200 we will do our best to ensure 01:12:11.200 --> 01:12:13.080 that we're not violating state law 01:12:13.080 --> 01:12:16.240 should we not have DDC updates in place by that date. 01:12:16.240 --> 01:12:18.800 But staff is working on analyzing all of those bills 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:20.840 and crafting some code amendments 01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:24.080 that you all and city council will see in the coming months. 01:12:24.080 --> 01:12:27.760 And I am happy to answer any questions you may have. 01:12:30.240 --> 01:12:32.920 (clears throat) 01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:36.880 - Commissioner MacGuff. 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:40.800 - I think that was the most thorough and the fastest 01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:44.240 and the quickest of any summary I've ever seen 01:12:44.240 --> 01:12:47.000 in Denton, Texas. 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.960 Very thorough, I appreciate that, Haley. 01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:52.800 - Welcome. 01:12:59.360 --> 01:13:00.200 - Yeah. 01:13:00.200 --> 01:13:04.920 - So Haley specifically addressed the Senate bill 15 01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:06.200 and Senate bill 840. 01:13:06.200 --> 01:13:09.120 So we worked hard also to write even letters 01:13:09.120 --> 01:13:11.720 at the last minute to requesting that to be vetoed 01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.560 because we know it potentially has significant implications. 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.240 Several of our neighboring cities, 01:13:16.240 --> 01:13:18.080 we've been working with them 01:13:18.080 --> 01:13:20.600 as they work through the implications of that bill. 01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:22.680 So also hopefully maybe we can learn from them 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:27.720 in what they're rolling out hopefully before September 1 01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.680 so that we can have some lessons learned from them. 01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:32.720 And then as we prepare for the year 2030. 01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:34.320 The other thing I think is gonna be interesting to see 01:13:34.320 --> 01:13:36.560 on that is typically the census data doesn't come out 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:37.640 for at least a year. 01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:40.800 So it might be more like 2031. 01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:42.520 We also have two legislative sessions 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.440 that will happen between now and then. 01:13:44.440 --> 01:13:47.240 So that could also have some further implications on that. 01:13:47.240 --> 01:13:49.160 But I know in working with the team, 01:13:49.160 --> 01:13:50.040 I realize I won't be here, 01:13:50.040 --> 01:13:51.800 but I know when working with our team, 01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:54.120 we've been very diligent and concerned regarding 01:13:54.120 --> 01:13:55.720 the implications on Denton 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:57.680 and how can we better position ourselves? 01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:05.800 - So I for one am, 01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:11.080 I don't remember the number now anymore, 01:14:11.080 --> 01:14:16.080 but the bill about the unrelated persons 01:14:16.080 --> 01:14:20.280 living in a dwelling unit, that sort of thing. 01:14:22.360 --> 01:14:26.040 I understand that there's a desire 01:14:26.040 --> 01:14:29.040 to not have constraints placed on the city. 01:14:29.040 --> 01:14:32.520 At the same time I recall past DCRC meetings 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:37.520 where there was consensus that we didn't like 01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:41.400 the historical vestiges of those types of policies. 01:14:41.400 --> 01:14:45.840 So I welcome that and other amendments as we move forward. 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:48.760 I would just say, 01:14:51.160 --> 01:14:52.640 I guess we can all thank COVID 01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:57.280 for meaning that we weren't over 150,000 01:14:57.280 --> 01:15:00.800 in the spring of 2020 when all of our students went home. 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:06.720 But certainly there's uncertainty 01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:09.080 with upcoming legislative sessions. 01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:15.440 If I've learned much about the process of code changes, 01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:17.480 it always takes us about one or two more years 01:15:17.480 --> 01:15:19.320 than we think it should. 01:15:19.320 --> 01:15:22.160 And so I would encourage us to start having 01:15:22.160 --> 01:15:26.600 the conversations about what do we envision 01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:28.240 the future of Denton being, 01:15:28.240 --> 01:15:33.240 assuming that that will take place in 2030 or 2031. 01:15:33.240 --> 01:15:40.160 Because through engagement and discussion 01:15:40.160 --> 01:15:41.880 with council and this body, 01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:46.080 I think we can have a more productive result 01:15:48.400 --> 01:15:51.800 of thinking about how do we want to move toward 01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:54.320 what we're gonna be forced to in some ways anyway, 01:15:54.320 --> 01:15:58.600 instead of missing things 01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:00.080 because we have to do it really quickly 01:16:00.080 --> 01:16:01.560 because we're procrastinating. 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:02.400 - Sure. 01:16:02.400 --> 01:16:05.080 - Any other questions? 01:16:05.080 --> 01:16:07.080 Commissioner McDuff? 01:16:07.080 --> 01:16:10.840 - Yes, I just think this fits on our matrix, 01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.040 but would this go in a work session? 01:16:14.040 --> 01:16:17.400 Haley, how do you envision our updates 01:16:17.400 --> 01:16:20.120 on the implementation of these bills? 01:16:20.120 --> 01:16:24.160 Would this be in this kind of body 01:16:24.160 --> 01:16:27.760 and this group, the work session for? 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:32.440 - I would anticipate for the bills 01:16:32.440 --> 01:16:36.320 that we know we have September 1 compliance dates 01:16:36.320 --> 01:16:38.280 coming up for that we would move those probably 01:16:38.280 --> 01:16:40.600 through the public hearing process directly 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:41.960 through you all and then city council. 01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:43.680 So you would see it during a work session 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.880 and a public hearing process in the coming meeting. 01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:49.600 But unless there's some significant policy direction 01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:50.720 that's needed on those items, 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:53.320 I don't anticipate we would have like a dedicated 01:16:53.320 --> 01:16:55.080 work session just to those code updates 01:16:55.080 --> 01:16:57.360 prior to noticing for a public hearing. 01:16:57.360 --> 01:16:59.920 - So we might see those in August. 01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:03.680 - Probably later in the reason being 01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:05.560 is based upon our evaluation of the bills 01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:07.400 where we do need to make some adjustments. 01:17:07.400 --> 01:17:09.880 As Haley pointed out, in all likelihood, 01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:12.760 we would not have them accomplished by September 1. 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:14.960 Some of them where there's changes that are occurring, 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.040 we can go ahead and absorb kind of in our current 01:17:17.040 --> 01:17:18.960 operational aspects. 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.840 So for example, the unrelated persons, 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:25.920 when it comes to into effect until we're successful 01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:27.640 and being able to get the code amendment, 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:29.200 we would just acknowledge that we're not going 01:17:29.200 --> 01:17:30.360 to violate state law. 01:17:30.360 --> 01:17:32.760 And we've done that previously, 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.080 I think in two prior legislative sessions 01:17:35.080 --> 01:17:38.120 or actually it was 2019, we had done that. 01:17:38.120 --> 01:17:41.600 The other thing is something that's also important to note, 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.720 as we've evaluated the code amendments that are needed, 01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:49.240 we're also having taken consideration HB 24 01:17:49.240 --> 01:17:52.520 and some of the better direction that we have 01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:54.120 as it relates to being able to amend 01:17:54.120 --> 01:17:55.720 particularly the comprehensive zoning ordinance 01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:57.320 as a result of the CUNHA decision 01:17:57.320 --> 01:18:00.520 that came about with the city of Austin. 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:04.840 So that decision from a legal standpoint 01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:07.120 made it much more challenging for us to be able 01:18:07.120 --> 01:18:09.480 to effectively keep our ordinances updated 01:18:09.480 --> 01:18:11.800 because of potential public notification requirements 01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:12.720 associated with it. 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.000 So with the adoption of House Bill 24 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:17.400 and its effective date of September 1st, 01:18:17.400 --> 01:18:19.240 with that definition of what's considered 01:18:19.240 --> 01:18:21.560 a comprehensive zoning ordinance amendment, 01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:23.280 it allows us, it gives us some direction 01:18:23.280 --> 01:18:25.120 where we can try and take advantage 01:18:25.120 --> 01:18:27.080 of some of the opportunities that are within that bill. 01:18:27.080 --> 01:18:30.280 So we've been throughout this legislative session, 01:18:30.280 --> 01:18:33.680 especially the last couple months, evaluating that bill, 01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:35.960 how does it work with us or against us? 01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:38.880 How do the other bills work against us? 01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:41.080 Or if there's an opportunity for waiting 01:18:41.080 --> 01:18:42.840 until after September 1st. 01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:45.640 And so, so far we believe that we're in a decent position 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.680 with the bills that are gonna be effective September 1st, 01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:50.800 at least from a zoning and land use standpoint, 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:54.480 we will be okay with being able to modify our ordinance 01:18:54.480 --> 01:18:55.800 after September 1. 01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:57.720 We'll just have to be careful on, 01:18:57.720 --> 01:18:59.920 if we had issues related to unrelated persons, 01:18:59.920 --> 01:19:01.200 being able to address that accordingly, 01:19:01.200 --> 01:19:02.680 not violating the state statute, 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:06.360 and then the home occupations as Haley spoke to. 01:19:11.480 --> 01:19:12.320 Anything else? 01:19:12.320 --> 01:19:15.520 Thank you very much, Haley. 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:23.400 All 8,713 bills, right? 01:19:23.400 --> 01:19:26.120 - Thankfully we didn't have to read all of them. 01:19:26.120 --> 01:19:28.560 (laughing) 01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:29.760 - Very good. 01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:34.760 Okay, at 6.31, we will adjourn our work session 01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:40.200 and we will be in council chambers for the regular session 01:19:41.040 --> 01:19:43.400 in five, eight minutes or so. 01:19:43.400 --> 01:19:46.240 Thank you. 01:19:46.240 --> 01:19:48.320 - Good evening. 01:19:48.320 --> 01:19:53.160 At 6.42 PM on July 23rd, 2025, 01:19:53.160 --> 01:19:56.720 we will call the regular meeting 01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:59.960 of the Denton Planning and Zoning Commission to order 01:19:59.960 --> 01:20:01.620 with the quorum present. 01:20:01.620 --> 01:20:04.640 Our first item of business is to stand 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:07.640 and say the Pledge of Allegiance to the US and Texas flag. 01:20:11.440 --> 01:20:13.960 - I pledge allegiance to the Republic 01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:16.240 of the United States of America 01:20:16.240 --> 01:20:19.080 and to the Republic for which it stands, 01:20:19.080 --> 01:20:22.320 one nation, under God, indivisible, 01:20:22.320 --> 01:20:24.480 with liberty and justice for all. 01:20:24.480 --> 01:20:29.440 - Honor of the Texas flag, 01:20:29.440 --> 01:20:33.320 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, 01:20:33.320 --> 01:20:35.600 under God, one indivisible. 01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:46.040 - That brings us to item two A, 01:20:46.040 --> 01:20:50.040 approval of both the June 25th 01:20:50.040 --> 01:20:52.720 Capital Improvement Advisory Committee minutes 01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:56.200 as well as the June 25th Planning and Zoning minutes. 01:20:56.200 --> 01:21:00.000 Commissioner Dyer. 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.700 - I make a motion that we approve the minutes 01:21:03.700 --> 01:21:04.760 for both meetings. 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:06.660 - Commissioner Riggs. 01:21:06.660 --> 01:21:07.500 - Second. 01:21:07.500 --> 01:21:10.880 - And let's vote on the board. 01:21:11.040 --> 01:21:12.040 - Thank you. 01:21:12.040 --> 01:21:18.900 - That brings us to our consent agenda. 01:21:18.900 --> 01:21:26.960 Any questions or discussion 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:29.120 on the consent agenda this evening? 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:41.400 We'll take a motion if, Commissioner Riggs. 01:21:41.400 --> 01:21:43.800 - Make a motion to approve the consent agenda. 01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:47.720 - Commissioner MacDuff. 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:53.300 - I'll second that motion to approve the consent agenda. 01:21:53.300 --> 01:21:54.880 - Very good, seeing no discussion, 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:56.680 we'll call for a vote on the board. 01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:06.040 That motion passes four zero. 01:22:06.040 --> 01:22:09.160 That brings us to item four A, 01:22:09.160 --> 01:22:12.920 FB250020A. 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:25.560 - Good evening, Commission, 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:27.220 Matt Bodine, Assistant Planner, 01:22:27.220 --> 01:22:29.700 here to present a final plot of 01:22:29.700 --> 01:22:33.320 lot one block A luxury storage condominiums, 01:22:33.320 --> 01:22:36.240 which is approximately located on the south side 01:22:36.240 --> 01:22:41.040 of Hickory Creek Road, about 610 feet west of Teasley Lane. 01:22:41.040 --> 01:22:44.160 This final plot does not meet our criteria for approval, 01:22:44.160 --> 01:22:47.160 so staff cannot recommend approval at this time. 01:22:47.160 --> 01:22:50.720 However, we have no objection to their requested extension 01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.700 to a date certain of August 13th, 2025. 01:22:53.700 --> 01:22:57.400 - Okay. 01:22:57.400 --> 01:23:00.520 Commissioner Riggs. 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:05.880 - Make a motion to extend to a date certain 01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:07.920 of August 13th, 2025. 01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:10.760 - And Commissioner MacDuff. 01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:13.800 - I will second that motion to approve the extension 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:17.800 to a date certain of August 13th, 2025. 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:22.840 - Seeing no discussion, we'll call for a vote on the board. 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:28.560 Item passes four zero. 01:23:30.440 --> 01:23:35.440 - That brings us to 4B, ZCP25-0013. 01:23:35.440 --> 01:23:43.360 - Good evening, Chair, Members of the Commission, 01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:44.840 Mia Hines, Senior Planner. 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:49.640 This item, as stated in the caption, 01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:53.200 is a zoning compliance plan for a hospital services 01:23:53.200 --> 01:23:55.520 development in Razor Ranch. 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:57.560 Typically, zoning compliance plans do not come 01:23:57.560 --> 01:23:59.320 before this body, however, it is written 01:23:59.320 --> 01:24:01.040 in the Razor Ranch overlay ordinance 01:24:01.040 --> 01:24:04.560 that site plans for the development of properties 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.160 south of West University Road must come 01:24:07.160 --> 01:24:08.800 before this body for approval. 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:11.560 That is why we are here before you this evening. 01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:12.960 As far as the details of the site, 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.720 we're looking at a just over three-acre property 01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.280 located west of Heritage Trail, 01:24:18.280 --> 01:24:21.800 approximately 265 feet north of Panhandle Street. 01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:23.800 Surrounding this site, working clockwise, 01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:27.120 starting at the north, are multifamily developments. 01:24:27.120 --> 01:24:30.360 There is a park internal to Razor, 01:24:30.360 --> 01:24:32.760 sort of located northeast. 01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:35.960 Just to the east, there is additional multifamily. 01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:38.600 Located to the south is a hotel. 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:41.280 And then to the southwest is sort of 01:24:41.280 --> 01:24:44.960 an indoor recreation facility, that's that Andy Bees. 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:48.160 And then to the west is the hotel and convention center 01:24:48.160 --> 01:24:49.880 over there in Razor. 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:51.760 As for the zoning on the site, it is located 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:56.240 within the South Mixed Use District One sub-area of Razor. 01:24:56.240 --> 01:24:59.040 And that area does permit a variety of uses, 01:24:59.040 --> 01:25:01.840 including residential commercial services, 01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.280 retail and restaurant, and of course, hospital services, 01:25:04.280 --> 01:25:07.200 the proposed use for this item this evening. 01:25:07.200 --> 01:25:13.680 As far as what this site is supposed to comply with, 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.160 we are looking at Exhibit C2 and D2 01:25:16.160 --> 01:25:18.400 from the Razor Ranch Overlay District. 01:25:18.400 --> 01:25:20.760 Those have been provided for you in your backup. 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:24.120 And when we are assessing the site plan package, 01:25:24.120 --> 01:25:25.840 we are looking at the site plan, 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:28.160 how the buildings and things are laid out, 01:25:28.160 --> 01:25:30.200 the landscape plan, as well as four-sided building 01:25:30.200 --> 01:25:32.760 elevations to ensure that they are in compliance 01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:36.280 with what the Razor calls for. 01:25:36.280 --> 01:25:39.720 We review it up against this set of criteria 01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:41.160 to make sure that it complies. 01:25:41.160 --> 01:25:43.400 And just as far as details on the site, 01:25:43.400 --> 01:25:46.840 they are proposing a one building, approximately two, 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:50.960 or two stories, approximately 63,000 square feet 01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:52.600 with 40 patient beds. 01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:55.600 They do have a patient rehab courtyard proposed, 01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.640 a sort of outdoor seating area for patients 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:02.320 and the employees of this facility. 01:26:02.320 --> 01:26:04.560 With this development, they are proposing 82 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:08.040 vehicular parking spaces and six bicycle parking spaces. 01:26:08.040 --> 01:26:10.480 They are proposing two drive connections. 01:26:10.480 --> 01:26:14.520 Both are to the sort of internal circulatory system 01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:16.680 of Razor Ranch, not to public streets, 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:18.400 but they are public access easements, 01:26:18.400 --> 01:26:21.720 so they are meeting their access requirements there. 01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:23.520 And they are also proposing to connect 01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:27.000 to existing pedestrian stubs or sidewalks 01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:30.800 that are around this property as per the requirement. 01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:35.000 As for landscaping, they are meeting that requirement, 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:38.880 proposing a total of 27% of landscape area coverage, 01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:43.040 as well as a 53% tree canopy area coverage. 01:26:43.040 --> 01:26:46.920 And street trees and things are planned 01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:48.160 on the site accordingly. 01:26:48.160 --> 01:26:53.000 Here are the conceptual elevations as proposed. 01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:55.400 I just, the pool set is included in your backup, 01:26:55.400 --> 01:26:59.360 but I just wanted to point out two of the elevations here. 01:26:59.360 --> 01:27:02.440 That east elevation is what would be facing our public, 01:27:02.440 --> 01:27:04.840 the one public right of way that is adjacent to this street, 01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:06.240 that's Heritage Trail. 01:27:06.240 --> 01:27:08.120 And then the north elevation is what you'd see 01:27:08.120 --> 01:27:11.440 as you're sort of coming south into the Razor Ranch area, 01:27:11.440 --> 01:27:15.640 which is where typically most people are coming from 01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:17.080 within this development. 01:27:17.080 --> 01:27:22.280 So again, staff is recommending approval of this site plan 01:27:22.280 --> 01:27:24.920 as it does meet the criteria for approval 01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:26.520 and the Razor Ranch overlay ordinance. 01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:28.400 And at this time, 01:27:28.400 --> 01:27:31.000 I will take any questions or comments that you have. 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:37.240 - Any questions? 01:27:37.240 --> 01:27:40.520 Commissioner Dyer. 01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:44.320 - I apologize if you said this while I was coughing. 01:27:44.320 --> 01:27:49.920 What kind of health services, you said 40 beds, 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:52.320 is it like a same day surgery place? 01:27:52.320 --> 01:27:54.320 What services are they providing? 01:27:54.320 --> 01:27:56.560 - It's rehab services intended. 01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:59.200 So it's, I don't believe surgeries are performed 01:27:59.200 --> 01:28:00.080 at this facility. 01:28:00.080 --> 01:28:03.320 I think it's more for patients who are recovering 01:28:03.320 --> 01:28:04.960 over a course of a certain amount of time. 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:06.160 It's not long-term rehab. 01:28:06.160 --> 01:28:08.160 So this isn't a living facility. 01:28:08.160 --> 01:28:10.440 They're recovering at this facility. 01:28:10.440 --> 01:28:13.320 - I believe there's like a 55 and older 01:28:13.320 --> 01:28:15.440 apartment complex nearby. 01:28:15.440 --> 01:28:16.280 - Yes. 01:28:16.280 --> 01:28:18.440 - So is this kind of something that the neighbors 01:28:18.440 --> 01:28:20.040 are looking forward to, 01:28:20.040 --> 01:28:23.760 just to have medical facilities so close? 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:27.800 - We didn't do public engagement for this development. 01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:30.080 It's not required for site plans. 01:28:30.080 --> 01:28:31.320 This is a permitted use. 01:28:31.320 --> 01:28:33.240 I know that this area, 01:28:33.240 --> 01:28:35.200 I'm gonna go back to the site plan for a second, 01:28:35.200 --> 01:28:37.760 'cause there are a few different medical office buildings 01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:39.080 in this area that are of use. 01:28:39.080 --> 01:28:42.440 And I'm sure that the residents in that area 01:28:42.440 --> 01:28:44.520 would enjoy that facility. 01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:47.600 - Well, and the main hospital is just south of this too 01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:48.520 as well, correct? 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:49.360 - Correct. 01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:50.200 - Okay. 01:28:50.200 --> 01:28:51.040 - Cooks also. 01:28:51.040 --> 01:28:51.880 - Okay, thank you. 01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:56.440 - Any other questions? 01:28:56.440 --> 01:28:58.280 Okay. 01:28:58.280 --> 01:29:01.120 Open the floor for discussion or a motion. 01:29:01.120 --> 01:29:02.280 Commissioner Dyer. 01:29:02.280 --> 01:29:05.240 - I make a motion that we go ahead 01:29:05.240 --> 01:29:06.920 and approve on the site plan. 01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:09.360 - Commissioner Riggs. 01:29:09.360 --> 01:29:10.200 - Second. 01:29:10.200 --> 01:29:15.040 - Seeing no further discussion, 01:29:15.040 --> 01:29:16.680 I call for a vote on the board. 01:29:18.440 --> 01:29:19.280 - Second. 01:29:19.280 --> 01:29:23.640 - That item passes four zero. 01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:26.840 Brings us to our public hearings. 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:29.800 Our first public hearing this evening 01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:34.800 is item 5A, AESA 25-0001A. 01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:40.440 I will open the public hearing at this time. 01:29:40.440 --> 01:29:44.680 Staff is requesting that this be postponed 01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:48.320 to the August 13th planning and zoning meeting, 01:29:48.320 --> 01:29:52.080 which will be in three weeks. 01:29:52.080 --> 01:29:53.280 I think I'm doing the math here. 01:29:53.280 --> 01:29:57.120 So if anybody from the public was coming expecting that, 01:29:57.120 --> 01:29:59.720 that will be occurring in three weeks from today. 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:06.040 But we'll need a motion to continue to that date certain. 01:30:06.040 --> 01:30:07.960 Commissioner Dyer. 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:10.200 - I go ahead and make a motion that we postpone this 01:30:10.200 --> 01:30:11.640 to the August 13th date. 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:13.840 - And Commissioner Riggs. 01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:15.360 - Second. 01:30:15.360 --> 01:30:17.600 - With a first and a second and no discussion, 01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:19.400 I'll call for a vote on the board. 01:30:19.400 --> 01:30:26.920 That item passes four zero. 01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:29.520 We will see that again in a few weeks. 01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:34.520 Brings us to 5B, Z25-0004. 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:46.320 - Good evening, Matt. 01:30:46.320 --> 01:30:47.400 - Good evening, Commission. 01:30:47.400 --> 01:30:50.040 Matt Bodine, Assistant Planner here to present 01:30:50.040 --> 01:30:53.560 the rezoning case called Springside Industrial. 01:30:53.560 --> 01:30:58.800 So the property in question is about 22 acres 01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:03.640 of primarily open pasture land located west of I-35 01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:06.440 at the corner of Springside Road and Corbin Road. 01:31:06.440 --> 01:31:12.320 The request today here is to rezone that property 01:31:12.320 --> 01:31:15.120 from RR to the HI District. 01:31:15.120 --> 01:31:16.240 Oops, sorry. 01:31:16.240 --> 01:31:17.440 This is the site I want. 01:31:17.440 --> 01:31:22.520 This property is surrounded 01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:25.400 by a variety of zoning districts. 01:31:25.400 --> 01:31:29.200 So to the south, we see that rural residential district 01:31:29.200 --> 01:31:31.840 with, and then east and west to it, 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:33.880 is properties outside of city limits 01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:36.440 under non-annexation agreements. 01:31:36.440 --> 01:31:39.680 And then north of it is more heavy industrial 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:41.040 zoning district types. 01:31:42.040 --> 01:31:44.760 Also note that this area 01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:47.600 went through a recent mobility plan amendment 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:51.120 to change Springside and Corbin Road to Collectors, 01:31:51.120 --> 01:31:54.000 recognizing the coming influx 01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:58.480 of residential and industrial traffic coming to this area. 01:31:58.480 --> 01:32:03.320 So this rezoning request was reviewed 01:32:03.320 --> 01:32:05.480 against our general approval criteria, 01:32:05.480 --> 01:32:08.320 as well as the zoning change criteria for approval. 01:32:10.040 --> 01:32:12.480 About the proposed HI zoning district, 01:32:12.480 --> 01:32:14.440 the purpose of this district is to allow 01:32:14.440 --> 01:32:19.040 for a variety of industrial uses in that area, 01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:23.520 primarily west of I-35 up to and around the Denton Airport. 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:28.960 This is the applicant's purpose for the rezoning 01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:30.520 is consistent with the statement 01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:32.520 of providing industrial uses, 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:35.240 as well as this proposed zoning district 01:32:36.120 --> 01:32:41.120 is complicit, or matches the zoning 01:32:41.120 --> 01:32:43.360 in the surrounding area to the north. 01:32:43.360 --> 01:32:48.360 In addition, the comprehensive plan designates 01:32:48.360 --> 01:32:51.160 the future land use for this property 01:32:51.160 --> 01:32:54.160 as industrial commerce, which is, 01:32:54.160 --> 01:32:56.120 in which we would expect mainly light 01:32:56.120 --> 01:32:58.680 and heavy industrial uses. 01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:02.040 In addition, staff sees that this rezoning 01:33:02.040 --> 01:33:05.400 furthers the economic goal to ensure adequate land 01:33:05.400 --> 01:33:07.200 for future economic growth, 01:33:07.200 --> 01:33:11.360 particularly those non-residential land uses 01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:14.560 to contribute to the growth and welfare of the city. 01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:21.880 This area west of I-35 and between the Denton Airport 01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:24.840 is primarily the industrial sector of the city, 01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:28.680 and it has seen substantial growth over the last decade. 01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:31.680 And that growth does continue to this day 01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:34.480 with several projects in the area, 01:33:34.480 --> 01:33:36.680 as you can see in that south map, 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:40.160 currently active, as well as interests from developers 01:33:40.160 --> 01:33:44.000 to develop those adjacent heavy industrial zone properties. 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:50.960 The public was notified according to the city requirements, 01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:54.880 including mailings and notices to those properties 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:57.000 within city limits. 01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:01.920 Staff has received four total responses on opposition. 01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.120 One came in just moments ago earlier today. 01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:10.320 Of those, two were for property owners in city limits 01:34:10.320 --> 01:34:11.920 and two were within the ETJ. 01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:18.760 Staff is recommending approval of this requested rezoning 01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:21.440 as it is compliant with the criteria for approval 01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:23.240 found in the Denton Development Code. 01:34:23.240 --> 01:34:27.080 But here to answer any questions. 01:34:32.320 --> 01:34:36.280 - Any questions from staff before? 01:34:36.280 --> 01:34:39.320 Commissioner McTuff? 01:34:39.320 --> 01:34:44.280 - Yes, again, one of my continuing concerns 01:34:44.280 --> 01:34:48.520 is that we've done public outreach around a holiday. 01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:52.640 This one was done around July 4th. 01:34:52.640 --> 01:35:00.800 So I'm just wondering how much of a feedback did we get? 01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:02.920 There's a few letters in here, 01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:06.600 but I continue to have that concern 01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:09.680 that people aren't worried about these kinds of things 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:13.440 or not aware of around a holiday. 01:35:13.440 --> 01:35:14.280 - Gotcha. 01:35:14.280 --> 01:35:17.720 Noted, oops. 01:35:17.720 --> 01:35:18.560 - Noted. 01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:23.080 - Just in response to that, 01:35:23.080 --> 01:35:27.080 the property signs do stay up past the holiday time. 01:35:27.080 --> 01:35:29.040 So, but that is noted. 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:34.040 - Commissioner Dyer? 01:35:34.040 --> 01:35:38.600 - So when you were talking about the current zoning 01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:40.920 and the request for this zoning, 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.880 right now, this property has the heavy industrial 01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:48.120 to the north, but it and all around it on the south 01:35:48.120 --> 01:35:50.320 is rural residential. 01:35:50.320 --> 01:35:52.440 But you also talked about that there should be 01:35:52.440 --> 01:35:56.920 some sort of transition of zoning where, 01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:01.120 and you mentioned it very quickly, 01:36:01.120 --> 01:36:03.360 and it was like one of the last sentences on a slide, 01:36:03.360 --> 01:36:05.440 and I don't know if you can go back to that slide 01:36:05.440 --> 01:36:08.200 and find it, but, 01:36:08.200 --> 01:36:12.200 right there. 01:36:12.200 --> 01:36:13.040 - This one. 01:36:13.040 --> 01:36:15.080 - At the very last line, it talks about 01:36:15.080 --> 01:36:18.200 that the code requires substantial buffering 01:36:18.200 --> 01:36:21.760 for industrial adjacent to residential uses in districts. 01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:23.480 So right now, you've got heavy industrial 01:36:23.480 --> 01:36:26.480 butted up right against the rural residential. 01:36:26.480 --> 01:36:31.240 Like, what is the plan if we make this heavy industrial, 01:36:31.240 --> 01:36:34.000 you still are surrounded by rural residential. 01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:36.800 So what is the plan for that buffering 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:40.120 so that keep moving this heavy industrial south, 01:36:40.120 --> 01:36:41.880 south, south, south, south? 01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:43.000 - Yes. 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:47.400 So I can speak generally to what the code requires 01:36:47.400 --> 01:36:51.520 as there is no site plan associated with zoning districts. 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:55.720 But in the heavy industrial zoning districts, 01:36:55.720 --> 01:37:00.040 there is a 200 foot building setback 01:37:00.040 --> 01:37:03.840 when that use is next to residential zoning, 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:06.360 such as rural residential. 01:37:06.360 --> 01:37:12.320 And then there's also substantial landscape buffering 01:37:12.320 --> 01:37:16.200 that's generally required when next to residential uses. 01:37:16.200 --> 01:37:20.520 Some of those requirements include like fencing, 01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:25.000 trees, shrubbery, as well as a minimum distance. 01:37:26.200 --> 01:37:29.680 - But it just doesn't seem like 01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:32.440 you've got one extreme type of zoning 01:37:32.440 --> 01:37:35.720 against a totally different type of zoning 01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:39.680 where normally you would kind of ease out of it. 01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:42.720 You'd have the heavy industrial to a light industrial 01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:47.400 to more commercial retail to your residential. 01:37:47.400 --> 01:37:51.480 And I feel like, and I don't know, 01:37:51.480 --> 01:37:52.960 maybe you can give me the history 01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:55.960 of where the heavy industrial 01:37:55.960 --> 01:37:59.440 to the north of this particular property, 01:37:59.440 --> 01:38:03.840 how long has that zoning been there 01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:05.920 neighboring the rural residential? 01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:08.840 'Cause you showed the map from 2015, 01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:11.880 so it's been there since at least then, correct? 01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:15.720 - The, I can't speak to the zoning change 01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:17.080 for that piece of property. 01:38:17.080 --> 01:38:22.600 I can speak to a little bit more to staff's decision 01:38:22.600 --> 01:38:24.360 with regards to the future land use plan, 01:38:24.360 --> 01:38:28.320 but unless Tina wants. 01:38:28.320 --> 01:38:30.880 - Maybe I can help address the question. 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:34.120 So your observation regarding the transitional zoning, 01:38:34.120 --> 01:38:35.480 I can see why you say that 01:38:35.480 --> 01:38:37.880 because sometimes in certain areas of the city, 01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:40.280 we might have those transitions. 01:38:40.280 --> 01:38:41.760 I think the challenge we have here 01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:43.360 is we have an area of the city 01:38:43.360 --> 01:38:45.960 that has been experiencing a fair amount of change, 01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:48.560 particularly with respect to more industrial development. 01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:50.560 We still have some rural residential properties 01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:51.680 that are within that area. 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.040 So right now we're in this challenge position 01:38:54.040 --> 01:38:57.040 of you have kind of two significant differences 01:38:57.040 --> 01:38:58.160 in land uses. 01:38:58.160 --> 01:38:59.440 Matt spoke to the requirements 01:38:59.440 --> 01:39:01.160 that are in debt and development code. 01:39:01.160 --> 01:39:02.720 When we have industrial properties 01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:05.240 that are developing adjacent to residential properties, 01:39:05.240 --> 01:39:07.040 there is a higher level of screening 01:39:07.040 --> 01:39:09.280 and buffering requirements that come into play 01:39:09.280 --> 01:39:11.560 compared to if an industrial use 01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:13.520 was say next to a retail development, right? 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:16.760 So we do not have a zoning compliance plan 01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:19.000 at this time submitted for review, as he noted, 01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:20.560 but so that's where we rely 01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:21.680 on our debt and development code 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:23.120 where we've adopted these standards. 01:39:23.120 --> 01:39:24.000 And head of said, 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:26.680 these are the minimum standard requirements 01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:28.040 for doing quality development 01:39:28.040 --> 01:39:30.000 where we have this type of land use 01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:32.120 being adjacent to this other type of land use. 01:39:32.120 --> 01:39:36.240 So the code has it, 01:39:36.240 --> 01:39:38.040 the debt and development code has built within it, 01:39:38.040 --> 01:39:40.520 those standards to be able to provide those protections 01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:43.200 when you have those differing land uses. 01:39:43.200 --> 01:39:46.480 With respect to the HIs zoning to the North, 01:39:46.480 --> 01:39:47.320 thank you, Haley. 01:39:47.320 --> 01:39:48.920 So she just sent me some information. 01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:51.160 Let me make sure I grabbed that date correctly. 01:39:51.160 --> 01:39:53.800 That heavy industrial zoning to the North 01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.440 has been in place since at least 2002. 01:39:56.440 --> 01:39:59.440 So it has been there for quite some time. 01:39:59.440 --> 01:40:01.960 The, you know, I think the challenge you have here 01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:04.120 is when we have areas that are evolving 01:40:04.120 --> 01:40:06.200 and experiencing amount of development, 01:40:06.200 --> 01:40:07.360 the way that they are, 01:40:07.360 --> 01:40:09.840 there is a lot of uncomfortable change that is happening. 01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:11.520 The future land use map 01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:14.000 of the debt in 2040 comprehensive plan 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:18.080 also acknowledges this area as Matt noted as industrial. 01:40:18.080 --> 01:40:21.040 So these requests for rezoning to rezone properties 01:40:21.040 --> 01:40:23.520 to heavy industrial and light industrial 01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:26.440 are consistent with that future land use plan 01:40:26.440 --> 01:40:27.480 that was adopted as part of our 01:40:27.480 --> 01:40:29.320 debt in 2040 comprehensive plan. 01:40:29.320 --> 01:40:31.800 So those are the criteria that we're using 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:35.000 when we have to evaluate these zoning change requests. 01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:36.680 State law says if you're gonna have zoning, 01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:37.920 the zoning should be consistent 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:38.920 with your comprehensive plan. 01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:40.680 So that's why you have our analysis saying 01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:42.400 that this is consistent with the requirements 01:40:42.400 --> 01:40:43.880 provided for in the debt and development code 01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:45.240 in our comprehensive plan. 01:40:47.440 --> 01:40:50.520 - So question on the future on land use map 01:40:50.520 --> 01:40:52.440 and the comprehensive plan. 01:40:52.440 --> 01:40:55.280 I'm assuming that all goes through like P and Z 01:40:55.280 --> 01:41:00.280 or city council and there's feedback from the community. 01:41:00.280 --> 01:41:03.040 Like, do y'all take that into a, 01:41:03.040 --> 01:41:05.640 I know you guys take that into account, 01:41:05.640 --> 01:41:07.400 but how do we figure this out 01:41:07.400 --> 01:41:09.640 because we are experiencing some growth 01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:12.360 and balancing the need for that 01:41:12.360 --> 01:41:17.320 with also the need for the current, you know, 01:41:17.320 --> 01:41:22.320 rural residents, homeowners in that zoning 01:41:22.320 --> 01:41:25.040 so that they don't feel like they're, you know, 01:41:25.040 --> 01:41:28.400 being overtaken by having a type of neighborhood 01:41:28.400 --> 01:41:32.080 that maybe, you know, especially if the property's 01:41:32.080 --> 01:41:35.800 been in their ownership for a long time or family ownership. 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:38.320 - Yeah. 01:41:38.320 --> 01:41:40.120 - I was gonna say, do you want me to address that 01:41:40.120 --> 01:41:41.560 or did you have something else you wanna offer? 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:43.560 - I don't wanna get too far ahead of ourselves. 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:46.720 I wanna hear from, there's a few members of the public 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:49.160 who wanna speak in the public hearing. 01:41:49.160 --> 01:41:54.160 I really just wanted to make sure we get any confusions 01:41:54.160 --> 01:41:55.720 or statements of fact out there 01:41:55.720 --> 01:41:58.640 so that the public can understand things 01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:00.920 before they have a chance to make their comments. 01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:01.760 - Oh yeah, absolutely. 01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:02.600 - No worries. 01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:07.000 I just, I don't wanna get cart before the horse, if you will. 01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:09.000 If that's okay, I think those are very good things 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:13.160 that I hope you bring up once the public hearing is concluded 01:42:13.160 --> 01:42:14.600 and we can just talk through those, is that? 01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:15.440 - Okay, yeah, that's fine. 01:42:15.440 --> 01:42:17.800 - Okay, I do have one question, Matt, 01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:20.080 just so everybody understands, 01:42:20.080 --> 01:42:22.720 'cause there's non-annexation agreements 01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:25.360 left and right of here in county land. 01:42:25.360 --> 01:42:31.960 Do the DDC requirements for buffering 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:36.120 and setback from a land use instead of a zone 01:42:36.120 --> 01:42:39.520 apply to land that is not within the city 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:42.160 but is abutting a property or does it only apply 01:42:42.160 --> 01:42:46.440 to land that is within the city abutting a property? 01:42:46.440 --> 01:42:50.160 - I have to defer. 01:42:50.160 --> 01:42:56.120 Typically, we only see this city and city land. 01:42:56.120 --> 01:42:58.920 I'm not entirely sure what's common practice 01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:01.200 when it's city against county. 01:43:01.200 --> 01:43:04.120 - We can look into that if there's significant follow-up. 01:43:04.120 --> 01:43:05.600 - Let's see if we can research that 01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:07.920 and then after the public hearing, 01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:08.760 provide that information. 01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:09.920 - That's perfectly fine. 01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:14.040 I just think that may be a question here, okay. 01:43:14.040 --> 01:43:17.680 Any other, okay. 01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:19.040 Thank you, Matt. 01:43:19.040 --> 01:43:21.200 With that, I will open the public hearing. 01:43:21.200 --> 01:43:26.280 I do have two cards of people willing 01:43:26.280 --> 01:43:28.560 or asking to speak. 01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:35.120 First, I will call Barbara Whiteward. 01:43:35.120 --> 01:43:38.600 Quitward, my apologies. 01:43:40.440 --> 01:43:45.440 - Can you get that picture back up of the property 01:43:45.440 --> 01:43:48.320 that he's working to do the-- 01:43:48.320 --> 01:43:51.920 - Yeah, Matt, could you just get the map 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:53.200 of the property there? 01:43:53.200 --> 01:43:55.360 And Barbara. 01:43:55.360 --> 01:43:59.080 - Barbara Whiteward, out of the 4085 Corbin Road. 01:43:59.080 --> 01:44:05.000 And my property is butted up to his property. 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:07.800 And yes, yes. 01:44:09.040 --> 01:44:11.960 (speaking faintly) 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:21.920 - Matt, can you lower the microphone 01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:24.040 so she can speak directly into it? 01:44:24.040 --> 01:44:25.720 We're recording and videoing 01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:27.800 and so if I could have you speak in the microphone, 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:28.640 that'd be really helpful. 01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:29.480 - Okay. 01:44:29.480 --> 01:44:33.960 I'm Barbara Whitworth and I live at 4085 Corbin Road. 01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:36.040 My husband is 80. 01:44:36.040 --> 01:44:38.080 I am 75. 01:44:38.080 --> 01:44:40.840 We built the house in 1995. 01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:42.480 This was our forever home. 01:44:42.480 --> 01:44:46.240 When we first built the house, 01:44:46.240 --> 01:44:47.760 it was quiet out there. 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:48.720 Well, it still is. 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:50.920 It's very nice out there, it's quiet. 01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:53.640 We go outside and we can see the stars shine. 01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:57.480 If something big like this is built directly 01:44:57.480 --> 01:45:01.760 in front of us, all we're gonna see is their lights, 01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:06.680 their noise, their pollution in front of my house. 01:45:08.920 --> 01:45:10.440 Nathan does not live out there. 01:45:10.440 --> 01:45:11.640 They just bought the property 01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:14.520 to turn around and make money off of it. 01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:16.760 I've been out there since 1981. 01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:18.400 We bought the property in '81. 01:45:18.400 --> 01:45:22.800 Excuse me. 01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:24.240 We don't wanna move. 01:45:24.240 --> 01:45:26.880 My husband is not able to move. 01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:28.600 I don't wanna sell my property. 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:34.280 I invite y'all to come out there and just look. 01:45:34.280 --> 01:45:37.560 It's nice and quiet out there. 01:45:39.080 --> 01:45:40.600 It's just nice out there. 01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:45.600 And if something massive is built directly in front of us, 01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:47.600 it's gonna ruin everything out there. 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:51.960 And there's a lot of us that live out there. 01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:57.920 And I don't know, it's just been the whole thought 01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:03.280 of something massive being built in front of my house 01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:08.440 that I can't even see to the north of me. 01:46:08.440 --> 01:46:12.640 And like I said, if you look, my house is right there on, 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:15.960 I mean, just butts up to the back of his property. 01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:20.440 And we are opposing, opposing, opposing. 01:46:20.440 --> 01:46:23.240 And we would appreciate it if y'all would oppose it also. 01:46:23.240 --> 01:46:25.880 Thank you very much. 01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:28.760 - Thank you. 01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:34.720 I also have a card from Ms. Kelly Holtzclaw. 01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:38.880 (laughing) 01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:41.960 Please state your name and address 01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:42.800 and then you'll have four minutes. 01:46:42.800 --> 01:46:46.480 - My name's Kelly Holtzclaw and I live at 2161 Underwood Road 01:46:46.480 --> 01:46:50.400 which is the weird Oklahoma looking shape thing there. 01:46:50.400 --> 01:46:54.440 And I've lived out there my entire life. 01:46:54.440 --> 01:46:57.880 So since '77, because my grandfather owned 01:46:57.880 --> 01:47:00.360 all of that property and it was a dairy farm. 01:47:00.360 --> 01:47:04.000 Sometime in the '60s, I couldn't, 01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:06.160 the records don't go back that far. 01:47:06.160 --> 01:47:09.520 So yeah, we don't want heavy industrial. 01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:12.040 And I meant just basically looking up 01:47:12.040 --> 01:47:16.880 what heavy industrial is saying that, oops, sorry, 01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:21.880 that it's a designated area for industrial activities 01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:24.800 like manufacturing, processing 01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:28.280 that may have significant environmental impacts 01:47:28.280 --> 01:47:32.480 like noise, dust, odor, vibration and traffic. 01:47:32.480 --> 01:47:36.160 Typically located away from residential areas 01:47:36.160 --> 01:47:40.200 to mitigate potential negative impacts. 01:47:40.200 --> 01:47:43.480 So yeah, we oppose. 01:47:43.480 --> 01:47:47.680 And so my neighbor that's just north 01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:49.440 in that other little purple square, 01:47:49.440 --> 01:47:52.000 he did not get a letter. 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:55.520 My dad, that's the other square south of me, 01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:57.280 he did not get a letter. 01:47:57.280 --> 01:48:00.720 So I had my dad email, I know Kevin emailed 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:04.960 and with there being four or five responses that came in, 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:08.240 that's pretty much the entire surrounding area. 01:48:08.240 --> 01:48:11.600 And the letter that we received says that 01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:16.120 if, sorry, I'm like nervous. 01:48:16.120 --> 01:48:23.440 If written opposition to the request exceeds 20%, 01:48:23.440 --> 01:48:25.920 a three fourth vote of the city council 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:28.880 is required to approve the request. 01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:33.600 So basically we would need to count the individuals 01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:36.640 that it impacts and the responses 01:48:36.640 --> 01:48:39.440 and that's definitely more than 20%. 01:48:39.440 --> 01:48:44.440 So yeah, sorry, we don't want it to be heavy industrial 01:48:44.440 --> 01:48:50.280 that he's on the property since the beginning of this year. 01:48:50.280 --> 01:48:53.040 And we've been, I've been out there for 48 years. 01:48:55.280 --> 01:48:59.760 It's just, and other people have been out there 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:02.120 at least 30 years plus. 01:49:02.120 --> 01:49:07.120 So it's, we oppose, that's all I really wanna say. 01:49:07.120 --> 01:49:10.320 Don't want heavy industrial, oh, I'm sorry. 01:49:10.320 --> 01:49:14.600 The heavy industrial that's above Springside, 01:49:14.600 --> 01:49:16.360 that's mostly field right now. 01:49:16.360 --> 01:49:21.360 There is Fastenal and the Target Distribution Center 01:49:21.360 --> 01:49:24.160 and Tetra Pak, Peterbilt, all of those 01:49:24.160 --> 01:49:27.400 and all the other industrial buildings built out there 01:49:27.400 --> 01:49:32.120 all around the corner there, that's enough. 01:49:32.120 --> 01:49:34.440 We wanna keep our little piece in quiet. 01:49:34.440 --> 01:49:40.640 And that's also where the planning and zoning of the, 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:45.600 they wanted to increase Underwood Road 01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:47.400 all the way up to Airport Road. 01:49:47.400 --> 01:49:51.000 And that got shut down because it would impact 01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:52.840 the environment and they would have to build 01:49:52.840 --> 01:49:54.280 a bridge over the creek. 01:49:54.280 --> 01:49:57.480 So we have a buffer and that's good. 01:49:57.480 --> 01:50:00.800 So if it just stays where it is, that'd be great. 01:50:00.800 --> 01:50:03.600 That's all. 01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:05.800 - Thank you. - Thank you. 01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:17.800 - I do have one card filing support for it. 01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:21.080 I don't have any other cards to speak 01:50:21.080 --> 01:50:22.360 but this is a public hearing 01:50:22.360 --> 01:50:27.360 so anyone is welcome to come down and share your thoughts. 01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:33.560 Certainly, yeah. 01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:37.160 Come forward, name and address. 01:50:37.160 --> 01:50:41.000 - Hello, my name is Nathan Toon, 3201 Carmel Street, 01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:42.120 Denton, Texas. 01:50:42.120 --> 01:50:46.460 I am the applicant and one of the property owners. 01:50:46.460 --> 01:50:51.600 A couple of things I just wanted to say 01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:56.560 and first of all, I've become friendly with these people, 01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:59.300 these people own property next to us. 01:50:59.300 --> 01:51:03.960 It's certainly not my intent to do anything 01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:06.120 that would negatively impact them, 01:51:06.120 --> 01:51:09.480 their lifestyle or their property value. 01:51:09.480 --> 01:51:16.400 I think Matt did a great job of explaining the situation 01:51:16.400 --> 01:51:18.420 in terms of the future land use, 01:51:18.420 --> 01:51:23.420 the existing growth in the area, the likely uses 01:51:23.420 --> 01:51:26.360 for property in this area. 01:51:26.360 --> 01:51:34.240 I think that oddly enough, me and the two people that spoke, 01:51:34.240 --> 01:51:40.280 we had the only properties that were forcibly annexed 01:51:40.280 --> 01:51:43.540 into the city 15 years ago. 01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:50.200 And so we're just trying to play by the rules of the game 01:51:50.200 --> 01:51:53.640 that we have to play by being in the city. 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:58.640 A couple of items that I heard in comment 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:02.040 from commissioners and neighbors. 01:52:02.040 --> 01:52:08.400 I think Matt Bodine's staff report is very thorough 01:52:08.400 --> 01:52:13.800 and I noticed and I've known this to be true in the past 01:52:14.080 --> 01:52:19.080 that rural residential, it used to be called RD5X, 01:52:19.080 --> 01:52:24.400 it technically is, it's a placeholder zoning. 01:52:24.400 --> 01:52:27.480 It's for properties that get annexed into the city 01:52:27.480 --> 01:52:31.400 that are not consistent with the future land use 01:52:31.400 --> 01:52:33.680 and are currently a residential. 01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:38.920 And so, there was discussion about buffers 01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:40.560 and things like that. 01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:46.040 I view my property as having no zoning currently 01:52:46.040 --> 01:52:50.880 because it's rural residential, formerly known as RD5X. 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:58.160 And considering that all of the properties adjacent, 01:52:58.160 --> 01:53:02.200 I shouldn't say all, but the property to the west of me, 01:53:02.200 --> 01:53:05.760 to the east of me, and a lot of the property in the area 01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:10.300 is in the county, there are no zoning restrictions 01:53:10.300 --> 01:53:14.320 on those properties, currently one of the neighbors 01:53:14.320 --> 01:53:17.800 who wrote a letter in opposition has a big, 01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:20.080 frankly has a big warehouse on his property 01:53:20.080 --> 01:53:23.480 that he used to run his business out of. 01:53:23.480 --> 01:53:25.480 He happens to be a good friend of mine. 01:53:25.480 --> 01:53:30.600 He spoke out in opposition of this zoning case 01:53:30.600 --> 01:53:33.680 and I don't take that personal, hold it against him. 01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:38.220 He happened to be playing in the group with me one day, 01:53:38.220 --> 01:53:41.920 the only day I made my only hole in one on the golf course, 01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:43.800 so we're friends. 01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:48.160 So, do not hold that against him. 01:53:48.160 --> 01:53:50.800 Another property directly to the west of me, 01:53:50.800 --> 01:53:54.640 they're operating a water well drilling company. 01:53:54.640 --> 01:53:57.720 They've got drilling rigs, they've got things 01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:01.640 that would never pass mustard in the city of Denton 01:54:01.640 --> 01:54:03.720 or in any zoning ordinance. 01:54:05.280 --> 01:54:10.280 And so, I would, I don't know exactly the right words, 01:54:10.280 --> 01:54:17.280 the right way to say this, but by being in the city, 01:54:17.280 --> 01:54:20.040 considering that we have no city services, 01:54:20.040 --> 01:54:22.840 we have no water, we have no sewer, 01:54:22.840 --> 01:54:27.840 we have no electric, we're trying to play by the rules 01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:33.720 of the city of Denton in spite of that. 01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:40.000 And we could probably build a lot bigger, a lot worse 01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:44.240 with no setbacks, with no landscaping, 01:54:44.240 --> 01:54:47.400 if we were in the county, just like all of our neighbors. 01:54:47.400 --> 01:54:52.400 And so, again, we're not trying to put anybody out, 01:54:52.400 --> 01:54:56.060 we don't have any development plan proposed, 01:54:56.060 --> 01:54:59.840 there's no site plan, there's no project proposed. 01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:02.840 We're just trying to simply provide 01:55:05.640 --> 01:55:09.840 a shovel-ready site in some senses that, you know, 01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:13.480 if in the future we have a buyer that wants to build 01:55:13.480 --> 01:55:15.460 something here that wants to bring jobs 01:55:15.460 --> 01:55:19.480 to the city of Denton, we could, you know, 01:55:19.480 --> 01:55:21.480 cut out a part of the process for them 01:55:21.480 --> 01:55:25.520 and make it a more streamlined process 01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:28.000 and one that, you know, ultimately benefits 01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:30.920 the city of Denton, thank you. 01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:37.920 - Thank you, this is a public hearing, 01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:41.880 anyone else like to speak, feel free to come down, 01:55:41.880 --> 01:55:46.880 state your name and address and you'll have four minutes. 01:55:46.880 --> 01:55:49.240 - Hello, hello, my name is Kurt Van Zandt, 01:55:49.240 --> 01:55:53.720 I live at 410 West Highland Street, Denton, Texas, 76201. 01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:55.920 I only really just heard about this here 01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:57.560 in this meeting today, I'm here on behalf 01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:01.520 of a different part of your agenda. 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:05.000 I can't help but notice that it does seem like 01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:07.400 I heard my friend Nathan here say that he was 01:56:07.400 --> 01:56:11.360 one of the owners and I see these folks behind me 01:56:11.360 --> 01:56:14.640 saying that they are family owners of property. 01:56:14.640 --> 01:56:18.280 Now, what I'm seeing here is maybe a development 01:56:18.280 --> 01:56:23.280 type agenda for, what it looks, the 2040 plan, 01:56:23.280 --> 01:56:29.240 are there any plans to mitigate light pollution, 01:56:29.280 --> 01:56:33.360 dust pollution, air pollution in this part of town 01:56:33.360 --> 01:56:36.080 in the year 2040 as we continue to grow 01:56:36.080 --> 01:56:38.760 and we allow things to develop in places 01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:42.400 that were normally perfectly good land? 01:56:42.400 --> 01:56:49.160 I do not see any, I'm very curious if there are any plans 01:56:49.160 --> 01:56:56.460 to mitigate the kind of almost certain pollution 01:56:56.460 --> 01:56:58.840 that would come from this kind of rezoning. 01:56:58.840 --> 01:56:59.680 Thank you. 01:56:59.680 --> 01:57:01.760 - Sure. 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:12.080 Okay, any other public wishing to speak? 01:57:12.080 --> 01:57:18.100 I don't see any at the time. 01:57:18.100 --> 01:57:22.400 I have a couple follow-up questions for staff. 01:57:22.400 --> 01:57:25.720 I will close the public hearing at this point. 01:57:28.200 --> 01:57:33.200 So Matt, just for the benefit of the public, 01:57:33.200 --> 01:57:38.600 could you explain the 20% rule in a little bit 01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:41.360 how that is calculated with the map that you had? 01:57:41.360 --> 01:57:45.400 And yeah. 01:57:45.400 --> 01:57:57.040 - Yes, so when, so by state law, 01:57:58.320 --> 01:58:01.000 we're required to notice within 200 feet 01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:03.240 of the property being rezoned 01:58:03.240 --> 01:58:06.880 and that 200 foot boundary is outlined 01:58:06.880 --> 01:58:10.120 in red on this map by letter. 01:58:10.120 --> 01:58:14.440 When we receive, when the property owners 01:58:14.440 --> 01:58:17.280 within that 200 feet within city limits 01:58:17.280 --> 01:58:21.400 indicate support or opposition, 01:58:21.400 --> 01:58:25.920 we take note of how much land in this case. 01:58:25.920 --> 01:58:30.920 And so, I guess, and is in support or opposition. 01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:35.920 And so when more than 20% of that land 01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:39.080 in city limits is in opposition, 01:58:39.080 --> 01:58:43.080 it would require a three fourths approval 01:58:43.080 --> 01:58:49.640 by city council in order for the rezoning to pass. 01:58:49.640 --> 01:58:52.760 For this particular project or this particular case, 01:58:53.680 --> 01:58:57.500 the number of residents who have written in opposition 01:58:57.500 --> 01:59:00.720 the total land area within the city limits is 37%. 01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:05.720 So that three fourths or super majority does apply here. 01:59:05.720 --> 01:59:11.680 - Okay, and it looks like some of that is within the ETJ. 01:59:11.680 --> 01:59:14.080 Some of that 37%. 01:59:14.080 --> 01:59:19.080 - No, so only the hash mark is just made for benefit here 01:59:21.200 --> 01:59:25.800 of letting people know whose property is, have indicated. 01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:29.200 The property in the ETJ is not included in that calculation. 01:59:29.200 --> 01:59:31.320 - Okay. 01:59:31.320 --> 01:59:32.240 - Right, I was gonna add it. 01:59:32.240 --> 01:59:35.160 And I think the key point that needs to be understood is, 01:59:35.160 --> 01:59:38.200 so we follow the public hearing notification requirements 01:59:38.200 --> 01:59:39.920 that are provided for in the state statute 01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:41.860 as Matt hadn't mentioned. 01:59:41.860 --> 01:59:45.180 The state statute is specific to us notifying 01:59:45.180 --> 01:59:47.560 based upon the approved municipal tax rules. 01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:49.240 So if you're within the city limits, 01:59:49.240 --> 01:59:50.920 then you're on the municipal tax rules. 01:59:50.920 --> 01:59:52.440 If you're out in the ETJ, 01:59:52.440 --> 01:59:54.640 then you're not on the municipal tax rules. 01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:57.720 And so hence why property owners do not receive 01:59:57.720 --> 02:00:01.360 a written letter from us when they're in the ETJ. 02:00:01.360 --> 02:00:05.020 That's also why their property does not apply 02:00:05.020 --> 02:00:08.220 towards the 20% rule that Matt had mentioned. 02:00:08.220 --> 02:00:10.720 And keep in mind that 20% rule affects the vote 02:00:10.720 --> 02:00:11.840 at city council. 02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:13.520 It does not affect the vote 02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:14.960 for the planning and zoning commission. 02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:16.360 They're not bound by that requirement 02:00:16.360 --> 02:00:18.200 as provided for in the state statute. 02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:21.280 - Okay, thank you. 02:00:21.280 --> 02:00:25.060 Any other questions from the commission? 02:00:25.060 --> 02:00:29.000 I guess I have one more. 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:35.380 As you showed, the properties to the east and west of here 02:00:35.380 --> 02:00:39.260 are in the ETJ with a non-annexation agreement. 02:00:39.260 --> 02:00:41.900 Most of those non-annexation agreements 02:00:41.900 --> 02:00:45.880 have as a function of that agreement, 02:00:45.880 --> 02:00:50.120 the requirement that they be annexed 02:00:50.120 --> 02:00:53.200 for future development, if I'm not mistaken. 02:00:53.200 --> 02:00:59.600 Activity for future development 02:00:59.600 --> 02:01:03.640 would void the non-annexation agreement, in other words. 02:01:03.640 --> 02:01:06.680 So do we know if that's the case for these properties, 02:01:06.680 --> 02:01:09.200 or is it a different situation than typical? 02:01:09.200 --> 02:01:12.320 - No, I believe that is still the case here. 02:01:12.320 --> 02:01:15.280 If they want to develop anything more 02:01:15.280 --> 02:01:17.920 than a single-family house, for example, 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:20.280 then they would be required for their agreement 02:01:20.280 --> 02:01:21.800 to annex into the city. 02:01:21.800 --> 02:01:22.920 - Okay, thank you. 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:26.560 - Typically, our non-annexation agreements, 02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:28.680 they read very similarly, so Matt is correct, 02:01:28.680 --> 02:01:30.840 that they're restricted to being operated 02:01:30.840 --> 02:01:32.800 for single-family residential purposes. 02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:34.160 The one thing I would add is 02:01:34.160 --> 02:01:37.080 it does allow for agricultural uses, 02:01:37.080 --> 02:01:39.500 but if somebody wants to subdivide their property 02:01:39.500 --> 02:01:41.040 in Haley and Angie Correctment Farm, 02:01:41.040 --> 02:01:43.920 five acres or larger, then it would trigger annexation. 02:01:43.920 --> 02:01:45.960 Also, a change in land use. 02:01:45.960 --> 02:01:47.460 So if they want to use that property 02:01:47.460 --> 02:01:49.440 different than single-family residential 02:01:49.440 --> 02:01:51.120 or agricultural purposes, 02:01:51.120 --> 02:01:53.800 then it would also trigger annexation. 02:01:53.800 --> 02:01:55.640 Keep in mind, those agreements were put in place 02:01:55.640 --> 02:01:58.160 to be able to essentially allow those property owners 02:01:58.160 --> 02:02:00.020 to be able to continue using their land 02:02:00.020 --> 02:02:01.800 for single-family or agricultural purposes 02:02:01.800 --> 02:02:04.300 at the time those agreements were entered into, 02:02:04.300 --> 02:02:06.000 with the understanding that the city would agree 02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:07.640 not to annex those properties. 02:02:07.640 --> 02:02:11.200 So it's kind of a nutshell as to why we have 02:02:11.200 --> 02:02:13.440 those non-annexation agreements in place. 02:02:13.440 --> 02:02:15.520 But they are very specific that at such point in time, 02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:18.360 those uses change or someone wants to subdivide the land 02:02:18.360 --> 02:02:20.880 so the lots are larger, five acres or larger, 02:02:20.880 --> 02:02:23.560 then that's going to trigger annexation. 02:02:23.560 --> 02:02:25.120 And then we would work with those property owners 02:02:25.120 --> 02:02:26.640 through the annexation process. 02:02:26.640 --> 02:02:29.980 - Thank you. 02:02:29.980 --> 02:02:31.560 Commissioner Riggs. 02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:32.880 - So I just wanted to follow up on that. 02:02:32.880 --> 02:02:35.640 One of the things that we heard tonight was that 02:02:35.640 --> 02:02:40.040 there's a drilling, a well drilling operation 02:02:40.040 --> 02:02:43.000 going on in one, and then a warehouse or something, 02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:43.840 some kind of business. 02:02:43.840 --> 02:02:46.100 Would that change it from single-family use? 02:02:46.100 --> 02:02:54.520 - So I think it probably depends upon the conditions 02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:56.720 as to which were established at the time. 02:02:56.720 --> 02:02:59.880 Like I said, it's typical for non-annexation agreements 02:02:59.880 --> 02:03:02.680 to be able to be limited to single-family residential 02:03:02.680 --> 02:03:04.960 and the agriculture. 02:03:04.960 --> 02:03:07.200 I guess we would have to look up the specific properties 02:03:07.200 --> 02:03:10.120 and the scenarios in place to be able to understand better 02:03:10.120 --> 02:03:13.700 how they may have been able to allow to operate. 02:03:13.700 --> 02:03:17.080 You know, I don't know the age of the development out there. 02:03:17.080 --> 02:03:19.480 Maybe some of the residents can speak to that 02:03:19.480 --> 02:03:21.320 if you were interested in finding out. 02:03:21.320 --> 02:03:23.160 They may have a better length of time understanding 02:03:23.160 --> 02:03:26.400 of how long that warehouse that might be out there 02:03:26.400 --> 02:03:29.160 because it could be that that warehouse was developed 02:03:29.160 --> 02:03:31.560 if the property was in the county a long time ago 02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:34.200 and predate some of our non-annexation agreements 02:03:34.200 --> 02:03:38.240 or could have not had a non-annexation agreement in place 02:03:38.240 --> 02:03:40.520 at such a point in time when the property developed. 02:03:40.520 --> 02:03:42.640 I was getting a little bit of an affirmative head nod 02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:45.060 from one of the residents, but so. 02:03:45.060 --> 02:03:48.960 - Okay. 02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:53.200 Thank you, Matt. 02:03:53.200 --> 02:03:56.740 I guess, Mr. Kelly Holtzclaw, 02:03:56.740 --> 02:04:01.680 do you have some information that could inform? 02:04:01.680 --> 02:04:04.380 Yeah. 02:04:04.380 --> 02:04:09.160 - So the warehouse that he's talking about, that's-- 02:04:09.160 --> 02:04:11.280 - Sorry, into the microphone. 02:04:11.280 --> 02:04:12.840 We have too many tall people here tonight. 02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:16.880 - Okay, the warehouse that he's referring to 02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:18.720 on Kevin McKinney's property, 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:21.400 that's been there for a very long time. 02:04:21.400 --> 02:04:25.560 He did extend it when he bought the property 02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:30.560 from Mike Riley back in 2013, I believe. 02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:33.080 I'm glad I looked up these dates. 02:04:33.080 --> 02:04:37.000 But it was, the original building was built 02:04:37.000 --> 02:04:39.360 somewhere back in the '90s. 02:04:39.360 --> 02:04:44.960 And then the water well drilling equipment 02:04:44.960 --> 02:04:48.240 that is out there, it is equipment. 02:04:48.240 --> 02:04:51.760 And they live there, so I'm not sure where else 02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:55.400 they would need to store their equipment. 02:04:55.400 --> 02:04:57.360 So, yeah. 02:04:57.360 --> 02:04:58.200 All right. 02:04:58.200 --> 02:04:59.400 - Thank you. - Thank you. 02:05:03.440 --> 02:05:07.500 - Any other questions from the commission? 02:05:07.500 --> 02:05:09.840 Thoughts? 02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:10.680 Commissioner-- 02:05:10.680 --> 02:05:13.680 - I think we were, Commissioner Dyer 02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:15.880 was talking about a buffer. 02:05:15.880 --> 02:05:17.620 Some kind of an additional buffer. 02:05:17.620 --> 02:05:20.080 Did we get an answer on that? 02:05:20.080 --> 02:05:21.640 - Yeah. - Yes. 02:05:21.640 --> 02:05:26.600 So I just preface that these discussions of buffers 02:05:26.600 --> 02:05:28.640 are very general, 'cause we don't have a site plan. 02:05:28.640 --> 02:05:31.280 All of those details are affirmed 02:05:31.280 --> 02:05:35.780 with when zoning compliance review is done. 02:05:35.780 --> 02:05:39.400 But for when a property is adjacent 02:05:39.400 --> 02:05:42.740 to those outside of city limits in the county, 02:05:42.740 --> 02:05:47.080 those county uses are not considered 02:05:47.080 --> 02:05:48.600 when determining a buffer. 02:05:48.600 --> 02:05:52.880 That is consistent with how it's applied 02:05:52.880 --> 02:05:56.100 to other standards such as gas wells and reverse setbacks. 02:06:02.280 --> 02:06:05.840 - Did that, but? 02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:07.280 - So no information. 02:06:07.280 --> 02:06:10.020 We don't have anything to guide us. 02:06:10.020 --> 02:06:14.640 - Yeah, I asked generally, yeah. 02:06:14.640 --> 02:06:15.480 - Okay. - Okay. 02:06:15.480 --> 02:06:19.720 Commissioner Dyer. 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:24.720 - Okay, so the applicant has said that he has no plans 02:06:24.720 --> 02:06:28.800 to necessarily sell the property or develop the property. 02:06:28.800 --> 02:06:32.200 This is just for the future potential 02:06:32.200 --> 02:06:37.200 that if a buyer came that it would already be zoned 02:06:37.200 --> 02:06:42.840 and ready to go, that's what I'm understanding, number one. 02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:47.840 So here is my question is, one, to create more of a buffer, 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:55.320 could it instead be zoned to light industrial? 02:06:55.320 --> 02:07:00.320 Or two, could it be sold to a residential developer 02:07:00.320 --> 02:07:04.560 to build one or three? 02:07:04.560 --> 02:07:07.120 I don't know, Ian, you may have this in here 02:07:07.120 --> 02:07:07.940 and I just didn't notice. 02:07:07.940 --> 02:07:11.200 How many acres is the total parcel here? 02:07:11.200 --> 02:07:13.160 - It's just under 22. 02:07:13.160 --> 02:07:16.720 - So could you potentially build one to three 02:07:16.720 --> 02:07:19.940 to five acre residential homes there 02:07:19.940 --> 02:07:22.600 that would be more in line 02:07:22.600 --> 02:07:26.100 with the current rural residential? 02:07:26.100 --> 02:07:32.760 - I mean, I can at least speak to the residential aspect. 02:07:32.760 --> 02:07:35.880 I guess the staff would have difficulty 02:07:35.880 --> 02:07:38.360 approving or recommending approval 02:07:38.360 --> 02:07:42.020 as it would go against the future land use plan. 02:07:42.020 --> 02:07:44.560 And that is our guiding document 02:07:44.560 --> 02:07:46.720 with how this area should grow. 02:07:46.720 --> 02:07:48.480 - Yeah. - Okay. 02:07:48.480 --> 02:07:50.120 - Matt, did you want to address the buffering requirements, 02:07:50.120 --> 02:07:52.520 which by the way, great response on that, so. 02:07:53.440 --> 02:07:54.960 - Do you want to address the buffering requirements? 02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:56.920 She had asked about the, 02:07:56.920 --> 02:07:59.120 if it were zoned to light industrial, 02:07:59.120 --> 02:08:00.760 would there be different buffering requirements 02:08:00.760 --> 02:08:02.040 that might come into play 02:08:02.040 --> 02:08:03.640 versus the heavy industrial zoning? 02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:07.920 - The use buffering, I guess, 02:08:07.920 --> 02:08:11.140 regards to landscaping would still generally be the same. 02:08:11.140 --> 02:08:17.280 I have to look real quick whether there's a zoning specific. 02:08:17.280 --> 02:08:20.600 There is not. 02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:22.440 - Correct, it's based on land use. 02:08:22.440 --> 02:08:23.280 So. 02:08:23.280 --> 02:08:29.880 - And Matt, I think the last thing that we heard was, 02:08:29.880 --> 02:08:38.160 you know, if you could describe the types of controls 02:08:38.160 --> 02:08:43.600 that we put on the land uses for lighting 02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:47.680 and that sort of thing, even behind the buffer, 02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:52.480 so that we understand what the requirements would be 02:08:52.480 --> 02:08:55.360 if future development were to take place. 02:08:55.360 --> 02:08:59.000 - Yeah, I can speak generally to, 02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:04.280 we do have exterior lighting standards that apply 02:09:04.280 --> 02:09:07.840 as such that your lighting, 02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:12.840 I guess any lighting generated on site, 02:09:12.840 --> 02:09:14.240 it's foot candle, 02:09:14.240 --> 02:09:16.480 which is a measurement of how bright it is. 02:09:17.560 --> 02:09:20.800 That is not too extreme onto neighboring property, 02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:23.120 so it's very limited in that way. 02:09:23.120 --> 02:09:29.120 Other aspects with regards to, 02:09:29.120 --> 02:09:35.160 I guess, to traffic is assessed 02:09:35.160 --> 02:09:37.400 at time of plan review through 02:09:37.400 --> 02:09:40.000 traffic impact analysis if required. 02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:46.800 And the site plan to ensure that, 02:09:47.560 --> 02:09:52.080 that there's no negative impacts on surrounding property. 02:09:52.080 --> 02:09:59.240 - Okay. 02:09:59.240 --> 02:10:05.720 Any other questions? 02:10:05.720 --> 02:10:07.960 One other thing, I guess, 02:10:07.960 --> 02:10:12.560 we hear a lot about continuous 02:10:12.560 --> 02:10:15.600 or contiguous staged growth 02:10:17.440 --> 02:10:19.720 within our comp plan and that sort of thing. 02:10:19.720 --> 02:10:24.120 It doesn't look to me like the majority 02:10:24.120 --> 02:10:28.480 of the large HI zoned land north of, 02:10:28.480 --> 02:10:35.640 sorry, of Springside is not yet developed. 02:10:35.640 --> 02:10:41.040 And so I guess from a, 02:10:41.040 --> 02:10:46.320 as we move forward implementing 02:10:46.320 --> 02:10:49.600 the future land use map and things grow and develop, 02:10:49.600 --> 02:10:52.560 is there a concern or anything from staff 02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:57.560 on whether we're getting too far ahead 02:10:57.560 --> 02:11:01.920 of how much land is necessary 02:11:01.920 --> 02:11:05.040 or is there a lot of activity 02:11:05.040 --> 02:11:06.560 that just isn't in the ground yet 02:11:06.560 --> 02:11:08.360 and it's in the planning stage 02:11:08.360 --> 02:11:12.880 within the vacant land that's already zoned HI in this area? 02:11:12.880 --> 02:11:14.200 Does that make sense? 02:11:14.200 --> 02:11:17.240 - I think so, so I guess with regards to what's in the work, 02:11:17.240 --> 02:11:22.080 there are some projects being actively in the planning stage. 02:11:22.080 --> 02:11:27.280 As in the bottom map on the, 02:11:27.280 --> 02:11:29.640 what is that, the left side. 02:11:29.640 --> 02:11:33.520 That's just like immediately around, 02:11:33.520 --> 02:11:36.280 those are just some of the other icons 02:11:36.280 --> 02:11:38.640 that indicate different projects, 02:11:38.640 --> 02:11:42.560 either completed or in planning stage currently 02:11:42.560 --> 02:11:44.600 and then there's more in the general area. 02:11:44.600 --> 02:11:50.520 As that speaks to that part of the question. 02:11:50.520 --> 02:11:51.360 - Yeah, thank you. 02:11:51.360 --> 02:11:54.160 I appreciate you re-highlighting this. 02:11:54.160 --> 02:11:58.680 So yeah, I mean, okay. 02:11:58.680 --> 02:11:59.520 Thank you. 02:11:59.520 --> 02:12:00.360 - Can I answer? - Yeah. 02:12:00.360 --> 02:12:03.600 - Just to add to Matt's response. 02:12:03.600 --> 02:12:06.000 So I think that the challenge you have 02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:09.080 is an area of town that is experiencing development, 02:12:09.080 --> 02:12:10.920 particularly that is more industrial 02:12:10.920 --> 02:12:13.440 and distribution in nature. 02:12:13.440 --> 02:12:15.640 With your question regarding are we getting too far out 02:12:15.640 --> 02:12:19.400 or beyond development that's happening 02:12:19.400 --> 02:12:22.440 when thinking about continuous stage growth. 02:12:22.440 --> 02:12:24.360 In this area with the activity that we're having, 02:12:24.360 --> 02:12:26.560 I think that that's less of a concern 02:12:26.560 --> 02:12:29.520 compared to sometimes we get requests in 02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:32.240 where it's truly much more leapfrog development 02:12:32.240 --> 02:12:33.520 that's farther out. 02:12:33.520 --> 02:12:37.000 And my apologies for that technical term of leapfrog, 02:12:37.000 --> 02:12:40.520 but I don't have a better term to describe it right now. 02:12:40.520 --> 02:12:42.920 But it's sometimes we have situations 02:12:42.920 --> 02:12:46.840 where we have an area that's developing 02:12:46.840 --> 02:12:50.640 or has been developed in function within our community. 02:12:50.640 --> 02:12:53.400 And then we have someone who's trying to do development 02:12:53.400 --> 02:12:55.360 several miles out from that point 02:12:55.360 --> 02:12:58.240 where there are potentially no services 02:12:58.240 --> 02:12:59.720 or very limited services in the area. 02:12:59.720 --> 02:13:01.640 So when we talk about leapfrog development, 02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:03.600 we're talking about development that's several miles out 02:13:03.600 --> 02:13:05.880 from other areas that have experienced development. 02:13:05.880 --> 02:13:08.640 So I don't believe we have this situation here. 02:13:08.640 --> 02:13:11.280 I think what we truly have is we have an area 02:13:11.280 --> 02:13:15.120 that's evolved where people have lived for many, many years 02:13:15.120 --> 02:13:18.920 and surrounding property owners have either developed 02:13:18.920 --> 02:13:22.320 their property or sold it in accordance with zoning 02:13:22.320 --> 02:13:25.120 that aligns with our comprehensive plan. 02:13:25.120 --> 02:13:28.600 And so now we're having this tension potentially 02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:30.200 between the residential land uses 02:13:30.200 --> 02:13:33.080 and the industrial development that's happening in that area. 02:13:33.080 --> 02:13:35.520 We typically rely upon our debt and development code 02:13:35.520 --> 02:13:37.720 and the standards that we have in there 02:13:37.720 --> 02:13:40.480 that address these types of situations 02:13:40.480 --> 02:13:42.280 to make sure that we have appropriate buffers 02:13:42.280 --> 02:13:44.640 that are in place to be able to help mitigate 02:13:44.640 --> 02:13:47.240 any potential negative implications 02:13:47.240 --> 02:13:50.280 that could potentially be associated with a development. 02:13:50.280 --> 02:13:53.080 So we, the city have said these standards 02:13:53.080 --> 02:13:54.920 that we've adopted in our debt and development code 02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:58.120 are most appropriate as the minimum baseline standard 02:13:58.120 --> 02:14:00.080 for doing quality development within our community. 02:14:00.080 --> 02:14:03.560 So that's what we as staff would be enforcing 02:14:03.560 --> 02:14:07.040 should this zoning request ultimately be approved. 02:14:07.040 --> 02:14:10.720 So absent a zoning compliance plan, 02:14:10.720 --> 02:14:13.400 it's difficult for us to speak with more certain 02:14:13.400 --> 02:14:15.520 other than to say, we know what's in the debt 02:14:15.520 --> 02:14:17.400 and development code from a buffering requirement 02:14:17.400 --> 02:14:18.720 and would address that. 02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:23.360 Pollution, I think there was a comment made related to that 02:14:23.360 --> 02:14:25.320 whether it's lighting or dust or noise, 02:14:25.320 --> 02:14:26.680 we do have performance standards 02:14:26.680 --> 02:14:28.640 in the debt and development code 02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:30.960 and our code of ordinances that helps address 02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:33.280 those types of concerns to be able to mitigate 02:14:33.280 --> 02:14:36.640 those impacts on any property, 02:14:36.640 --> 02:14:39.040 whether regardless of what that use may be. 02:14:39.040 --> 02:14:41.880 So I don't know if that helps provide some information 02:14:41.880 --> 02:14:44.480 to the commission for your consideration this evening. 02:14:44.480 --> 02:14:48.440 - Commissioner Dyer. 02:14:48.440 --> 02:14:50.320 - So to piggyback on to that, 02:14:50.320 --> 02:14:53.160 as we're looking at this, 02:14:53.160 --> 02:14:56.680 obviously like when we're looking at plats 02:14:56.680 --> 02:14:57.520 and things like that, 02:14:57.520 --> 02:14:59.080 if they meet all the requirements, 02:14:59.080 --> 02:15:01.280 we basically approve it. 02:15:02.680 --> 02:15:06.760 If this meets the requirements for the development 02:15:06.760 --> 02:15:09.040 on the debt and development code, 02:15:09.040 --> 02:15:11.600 are we, is it kind of the same protocol 02:15:11.600 --> 02:15:16.600 where you just approve it and, 02:15:16.600 --> 02:15:20.800 or because there's this particular applicant 02:15:20.800 --> 02:15:24.760 is not looking to develop it himself, 02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:29.760 he's not selling it right now to a developer, 02:15:29.760 --> 02:15:32.120 it's just kind of future. 02:15:32.120 --> 02:15:34.360 Are we kind of putting the cart before the horse 02:15:34.360 --> 02:15:35.760 in approving this? 02:15:35.760 --> 02:15:37.200 Do we wait down the road 02:15:37.200 --> 02:15:40.160 if he and his partners decide to develop it, 02:15:40.160 --> 02:15:42.920 or if he has an interested buyer 02:15:42.920 --> 02:15:44.560 and they need to get the zoning done 02:15:44.560 --> 02:15:45.760 to make that deal go? 02:15:45.760 --> 02:15:48.320 Is that a more appropriate time 02:15:48.320 --> 02:15:49.880 to approve this zoning change? 02:15:49.880 --> 02:15:53.360 - So I think that's a great question. 02:15:53.360 --> 02:15:55.120 So the challenge we have with zoning sometimes, 02:15:55.120 --> 02:15:56.840 it is, I mean, it's speculative, right? 02:15:56.840 --> 02:15:58.800 So property owner has a property, 02:15:58.800 --> 02:16:01.600 they desire to be able to do something with it someday. 02:16:01.600 --> 02:16:05.000 It may not be tomorrow, it might be a year from now, 02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:06.680 it could be five years from now. 02:16:06.680 --> 02:16:08.480 And that's the challenge with zoning, right? 02:16:08.480 --> 02:16:10.840 So it's, hence why we've got criteria 02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:13.720 within our development code for when we evaluate the request 02:16:13.720 --> 02:16:15.720 to see, okay, does it meet the criteria 02:16:15.720 --> 02:16:19.240 that we've provided for, most notably consistency 02:16:19.240 --> 02:16:20.920 with our comprehensive plan. 02:16:20.920 --> 02:16:24.440 So with zoning, state law says 02:16:24.440 --> 02:16:25.880 that if we're going to practice zoning, 02:16:25.880 --> 02:16:27.040 that our zoning should be consistent 02:16:27.040 --> 02:16:28.720 with our comprehensive plan. 02:16:28.720 --> 02:16:31.400 And so that's why you have the recommendation 02:16:31.400 --> 02:16:33.400 that you do from staff from that perspective. 02:16:33.400 --> 02:16:35.120 You as the commission are also able to take 02:16:35.120 --> 02:16:37.200 into consideration the public testimony. 02:16:37.200 --> 02:16:40.680 But I would caution you that if you were to consider zoning 02:16:40.680 --> 02:16:42.600 that is different than the comprehensive plan, 02:16:42.600 --> 02:16:46.520 then that potentially has implications, 02:16:46.520 --> 02:16:48.160 particularly where the property owner is involved. 02:16:48.160 --> 02:16:50.320 So that's why I mentioned, you know, 02:16:50.320 --> 02:16:52.920 we rely upon the development standards 02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:54.200 that we have in our debt and development code 02:16:54.200 --> 02:16:55.600 and our development process. 02:16:55.600 --> 02:16:59.400 And, you know, so if, in order for somebody 02:16:59.400 --> 02:17:01.160 to be able to design their site plan 02:17:01.160 --> 02:17:02.480 or their zoning compliance plan 02:17:02.480 --> 02:17:03.920 and their subsequent engineering plans, 02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:06.320 they need to know what zoning entitlements they have in place 02:17:06.320 --> 02:17:09.080 in order to be able to design accordingly. 02:17:09.080 --> 02:17:11.520 Whether or not they have someone at the table right now 02:17:11.520 --> 02:17:14.440 or someone later, you know, the commission can decide 02:17:14.440 --> 02:17:16.760 whether or not it's appropriate to consider granting 02:17:16.760 --> 02:17:20.440 or to recommend approval of the zoning. 02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:23.120 If you feel it's not appropriate at this time, 02:17:23.120 --> 02:17:24.920 then I would encourage you to include in your comments 02:17:24.920 --> 02:17:26.280 why you believe it's not appropriate 02:17:26.280 --> 02:17:27.600 to rezone the property at this time 02:17:27.600 --> 02:17:29.840 so council can benefit from those comments. 02:17:29.840 --> 02:17:34.560 So it is, sorry, I had one other thought and I lost it. 02:17:34.560 --> 02:17:38.640 But so, but I guess my other point being is, 02:17:38.640 --> 02:17:41.080 you know, the commission has the challenge 02:17:41.080 --> 02:17:42.600 of weighing property owner rights 02:17:42.600 --> 02:17:44.320 with a property owner who is interested 02:17:44.320 --> 02:17:46.480 in potentially developing their property someday 02:17:46.480 --> 02:17:48.800 with and evaluating that based upon 02:17:48.800 --> 02:17:51.760 the city's adopted policies. 02:17:51.760 --> 02:17:54.920 You also have the opportunity to take into consideration 02:17:54.920 --> 02:17:57.040 the public comment that's received. 02:17:57.040 --> 02:17:59.120 I think one of the challenges you have to evaluate is, 02:17:59.120 --> 02:18:01.760 is it appropriate to rezone this property at this time 02:18:01.760 --> 02:18:03.600 to be able to allow for future development 02:18:03.600 --> 02:18:08.600 or if the zoning should be considered at a future date. 02:18:08.600 --> 02:18:13.560 So it's, so I think that that's the challenge 02:18:13.560 --> 02:18:15.200 that you have before us. 02:18:15.200 --> 02:18:18.640 - Yeah. 02:18:18.640 --> 02:18:22.920 - Tina, I completely agree with all your remarks 02:18:22.920 --> 02:18:25.120 but want to add just a little button on it 02:18:25.120 --> 02:18:26.560 from a legal perspective 02:18:26.560 --> 02:18:28.280 because you did ask a legal question. 02:18:28.280 --> 02:18:30.760 You asked in regard to plats, 02:18:30.760 --> 02:18:32.680 you understand that you have a ministerial duty 02:18:32.680 --> 02:18:34.800 that if it meets all the check boxes, 02:18:34.800 --> 02:18:36.520 you have a duty to approve. 02:18:36.520 --> 02:18:39.400 And so I interpreted your question to be, 02:18:39.400 --> 02:18:41.200 what level of discretion do I have 02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:43.480 with regards to a zoning request? 02:18:43.480 --> 02:18:46.840 And basically all of the discretion that Tina pointed out. 02:18:46.840 --> 02:18:53.360 Some of the criteria for approval that are listed 02:18:53.360 --> 02:18:56.400 in your staff analysis report are subjective 02:18:56.400 --> 02:18:59.520 and that's why your deliberate deliberation 02:18:59.520 --> 02:19:02.360 and expertise are so valuable to this board. 02:19:02.360 --> 02:19:14.000 - Commissioner Riggs. 02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:16.600 - So I don't really have a question. 02:19:16.600 --> 02:19:20.160 It's more of just a general comment discussion. 02:19:20.160 --> 02:19:21.360 I do have a hard time with this one 02:19:21.360 --> 02:19:24.040 because we do have a future land use 02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:27.240 that's supposed to guide how DITN develops 02:19:27.240 --> 02:19:30.800 and that is this is an industrial area. 02:19:30.800 --> 02:19:32.760 However, I do also recognize 02:19:32.760 --> 02:19:37.640 that we have large acre lots of single family residential 02:19:37.640 --> 02:19:40.120 that's there that has been there for a long time. 02:19:40.120 --> 02:19:45.720 And I'm kind of not necessarily bothered 02:19:45.720 --> 02:19:47.040 but it kind of do go, 02:19:47.040 --> 02:19:51.400 if there's not a buyer or a potential plan, 02:19:51.400 --> 02:19:53.720 why are we zoning it right now? 02:19:53.720 --> 02:19:55.080 And I'm sure part of that is 02:19:55.080 --> 02:19:59.160 because it makes the property more attractive 02:19:59.160 --> 02:20:00.040 to a potential buyer 02:20:00.040 --> 02:20:02.600 if you say it already has zoning entitlements. 02:20:02.600 --> 02:20:04.680 So just put that out there. 02:20:04.680 --> 02:20:06.400 I'm kind of torn on this one. 02:20:06.400 --> 02:20:15.880 - Yeah, I guess I would say as you're deliberating, 02:20:15.880 --> 02:20:20.920 one, if there's additional information 02:20:20.920 --> 02:20:24.000 that would help you get more comfortable, 02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:26.200 let's make sure we make those requests. 02:20:26.200 --> 02:20:31.200 Also, as we consider whether it makes sense 02:20:31.200 --> 02:20:32.560 at the right time, 02:20:32.560 --> 02:20:38.640 if you're concerned that the answer is no, 02:20:38.640 --> 02:20:42.160 then I think staff needs to understand one, 02:20:42.160 --> 02:20:47.200 what is the timing trigger that you're looking for 02:20:47.200 --> 02:20:51.160 and/or if you think that's not impending, 02:20:51.160 --> 02:20:56.360 why would you think that the future land use map 02:20:56.360 --> 02:20:59.680 is contrary to what we should be doing here, right? 02:20:59.680 --> 02:21:03.920 I mean, as I look at this area, 02:21:03.920 --> 02:21:05.860 TxDOT's about to spend, 02:21:05.860 --> 02:21:09.640 it was 650 million, 02:21:09.640 --> 02:21:12.240 so it's probably up to 950 million now 02:21:12.240 --> 02:21:16.160 on building the Western extension of Loop 288. 02:21:18.200 --> 02:21:20.200 This area's gonna change a lot, 02:21:20.200 --> 02:21:24.640 and so from my perspective, 02:21:24.640 --> 02:21:29.640 unless there's a swift regional downtrend economically, 02:21:29.640 --> 02:21:36.960 whether it's this property 02:21:36.960 --> 02:21:38.720 or the property to the west of here 02:21:38.720 --> 02:21:42.160 that's already zoned, HI, or that sort of thing, 02:21:42.160 --> 02:21:43.280 not immediately to the west, 02:21:43.280 --> 02:21:47.640 but on the west side of the ETJ pocket, 02:21:47.640 --> 02:21:53.360 this is gonna change a lot 02:21:53.360 --> 02:21:56.280 within the next five to 10 years. 02:21:56.280 --> 02:21:58.320 You can look, 10 years ago, 02:21:58.320 --> 02:22:02.960 a lot of these warehouses in the vicinity weren't there, 02:22:02.960 --> 02:22:06.040 so that kind of tells you what interests 02:22:06.040 --> 02:22:07.840 and investments are going in. 02:22:07.840 --> 02:22:11.660 At the same time, I think that, 02:22:11.660 --> 02:22:15.600 regardless of whether this is zoned HI or not, 02:22:15.600 --> 02:22:22.660 it's not the best available, developable land 02:22:22.660 --> 02:22:29.200 within the nearby couple miles of here that's zoned HI. 02:22:29.200 --> 02:22:35.320 Access is a problem to 35W 02:22:35.320 --> 02:22:38.920 because of the donut hole of the ETJ 02:22:38.920 --> 02:22:39.760 and that sort of thing. 02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:44.440 Corbin doesn't, it's gravel part of the way here. 02:22:44.440 --> 02:22:52.900 So I don't know, and I guess I would imagine, 02:22:52.900 --> 02:22:55.780 and staff correct me if I'm wrong on this, 02:22:55.780 --> 02:22:59.060 but the property to the north, 02:22:59.060 --> 02:23:02.480 sort of northwest of Corbin and Springside there 02:23:02.480 --> 02:23:08.760 seems to be encumbered by a fair amount of ESA probably, 02:23:09.100 --> 02:23:11.680 and so that may be one reason 02:23:11.680 --> 02:23:15.140 why that parcel hasn't developed as of now, 02:23:15.140 --> 02:23:21.080 but there's other land up by Jim Crystal and whatnot 02:23:21.080 --> 02:23:22.560 that is not yet accounted for. 02:23:22.560 --> 02:23:26.560 So I guess those are some of my thoughts, 02:23:26.560 --> 02:23:30.400 but again, this area is changing. 02:23:30.400 --> 02:23:31.720 So the question is, 02:23:34.660 --> 02:23:39.660 how do we trust the requirements 02:23:39.660 --> 02:23:42.840 within the development code for buffering 02:23:42.840 --> 02:23:45.920 and that sort of thing as those changes happen 02:23:45.920 --> 02:23:51.080 while also being sensitive to our community, right? 02:23:51.080 --> 02:23:57.820 So those thoughts. 02:23:57.820 --> 02:24:01.160 Commissioner Dyer? 02:24:01.160 --> 02:24:04.160 - You just knew, I just was, yeah. 02:24:05.520 --> 02:24:09.760 Looking at what's on the screen right now 02:24:09.760 --> 02:24:14.760 with the current aerial site location 02:24:14.760 --> 02:24:18.760 and seeing that there is still some buildable space there, 02:24:18.760 --> 02:24:21.480 seeing that the applicant himself has no plans 02:24:21.480 --> 02:24:26.320 to develop this area, does not have a potential buyer 02:24:26.320 --> 02:24:30.920 for this area, I'm going to be a no vote 02:24:30.920 --> 02:24:35.920 on approving this zoning change in the future. 02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:40.760 If he and his partners plan on developing it 02:24:40.760 --> 02:24:44.760 or have a buyer, that might be different. 02:24:44.760 --> 02:24:49.760 This is where it's hard sitting up here in this position 02:24:49.760 --> 02:24:54.960 is that I do feel for the property owners in opposition 02:24:54.960 --> 02:25:00.020 because I get it, you bought beautiful piece of land. 02:25:00.880 --> 02:25:03.440 So long ago or it was in your family 02:25:03.440 --> 02:25:07.720 and it's hard when we are in a community 02:25:07.720 --> 02:25:11.000 that is one of the fastest growing in the state of Texas. 02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:15.520 And I would encourage the city, 02:25:15.520 --> 02:25:17.680 even though we do have the comprehensive plan 02:25:17.680 --> 02:25:21.480 and this has been earmarked for a lovely place 02:25:21.480 --> 02:25:26.480 to grow the industrial portion of the city, 02:25:26.480 --> 02:25:29.800 that maybe there is a happy medium 02:25:29.800 --> 02:25:34.120 for some of these property owners that don't want to move 02:25:34.120 --> 02:25:39.120 and maybe a light industrial is on the southern portion 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:43.680 of where the current industrial, the heavy industrial is now 02:25:43.680 --> 02:25:47.280 might be a better future zoning area. 02:26:00.000 --> 02:26:04.200 - Yeah, yeah, we closed the public hearing. 02:26:04.200 --> 02:26:09.200 Are there, is there any questions that you have or no? 02:26:09.200 --> 02:26:16.040 Okay, Commissioner Riggs. 02:26:16.040 --> 02:26:20.720 - Yeah, so I agree the public hearing is closed. 02:26:20.720 --> 02:26:24.800 And to your point, Commissioner Dyer, 02:26:24.800 --> 02:26:25.960 that's kind of where I'm torn 02:26:25.960 --> 02:26:27.440 because we talk about property rights 02:26:27.440 --> 02:26:29.780 and of course the existing residents out there 02:26:29.780 --> 02:26:31.200 they obviously have property rights, 02:26:31.200 --> 02:26:35.360 but so does the gentleman who owns the property now. 02:26:35.360 --> 02:26:38.440 And you know, he's bought the property, 02:26:38.440 --> 02:26:41.680 he's trying to get it zoned to what the future land use is. 02:26:41.680 --> 02:26:44.960 And so it's kind of like as we see that area develop, 02:26:44.960 --> 02:26:48.000 that's kind of how the town has decided to develop. 02:26:48.000 --> 02:26:50.640 And so it's kind of where I have a hard time with it, 02:26:50.640 --> 02:26:53.280 but I'm still not decided. 02:26:57.160 --> 02:27:01.100 - I guess I do have one question for the applicant. 02:27:01.100 --> 02:27:10.120 If you had an option to continue this to a future date, 02:27:10.120 --> 02:27:13.840 is that something that you'd be able to provide 02:27:13.840 --> 02:27:16.160 any additional information to the public 02:27:16.160 --> 02:27:19.600 or is that something you're interested in 02:27:19.600 --> 02:27:23.240 or would you rather just have an up, down vote 02:27:23.240 --> 02:27:24.600 and move forward in the process? 02:27:24.600 --> 02:27:25.760 Yes, feel free. 02:27:28.160 --> 02:27:33.180 - So the question was if I'd be willing to postpone 02:27:33.180 --> 02:27:36.760 the hearing for a future date, uncertain? 02:27:36.760 --> 02:27:40.640 - Yeah, just what would your, 02:27:40.640 --> 02:27:43.460 given the development interest that you're having 02:27:43.460 --> 02:27:45.120 and that sort of thing, what? 02:27:45.120 --> 02:27:47.200 - Well, the one thing I did want to clarify 02:27:47.200 --> 02:27:51.360 was I never said I didn't have a potential buyer. 02:27:51.360 --> 02:27:54.680 I just said that I don't have a site plan 02:27:54.680 --> 02:27:56.320 that is being contemplated. 02:27:56.320 --> 02:27:57.260 - Sure, okay. 02:27:57.260 --> 02:27:59.880 - So I think that's a big difference. 02:27:59.880 --> 02:28:08.920 I mean, I feel like, you know, 02:28:08.920 --> 02:28:11.460 I have, like Commissioner Riggs said, 02:28:11.460 --> 02:28:15.240 I have the same rights that my neighbors have 02:28:15.240 --> 02:28:17.320 as far as property rights go. 02:28:17.320 --> 02:28:25.920 I don't know if you guys picked up on it 02:28:25.920 --> 02:28:29.320 in my, in what I said earlier in that. 02:28:29.320 --> 02:28:31.980 - Sorry, Nathan. 02:28:31.980 --> 02:28:34.640 - I just had to answer the question. 02:28:34.640 --> 02:28:38.020 - Yeah, I'd rather just keep it on point, so. 02:28:38.020 --> 02:28:41.280 - I would say generally, I mean, 02:28:41.280 --> 02:28:43.280 unless there was some kind of refund 02:28:43.280 --> 02:28:46.240 or there was, you know, some sort of financial benefit, 02:28:46.240 --> 02:28:49.520 I would not be interested in postponing 02:28:49.520 --> 02:28:53.120 and I'm aware that I do need a super majority 02:28:53.120 --> 02:28:55.080 at the city council anyways. 02:28:55.080 --> 02:28:56.340 - Okay, thank you. 02:28:56.340 --> 02:28:57.180 - Thank you. 02:28:57.180 --> 02:29:02.320 - Tina. 02:29:02.320 --> 02:29:11.000 - So just thinking through the item being presented 02:29:11.000 --> 02:29:12.160 before you this evening, 02:29:12.160 --> 02:29:14.800 and I don't know if the applicant would be interested 02:29:14.800 --> 02:29:18.960 in this or not, given that the request is for HI zoning, 02:29:18.960 --> 02:29:23.960 but if there is any interest by the applicant 02:29:24.920 --> 02:29:27.640 or even the commission for that matter, 02:29:27.640 --> 02:29:32.400 if you feel that a planned development district 02:29:32.400 --> 02:29:36.120 might be a more appropriate solution 02:29:36.120 --> 02:29:40.280 with some potential standards in place 02:29:40.280 --> 02:29:42.360 that might help be able to mitigate 02:29:42.360 --> 02:29:46.960 the adjoining residential property owners concerns, 02:29:46.960 --> 02:29:50.960 that could be an option for your consideration. 02:29:50.960 --> 02:29:53.920 It would necessitate the applicant working 02:29:53.920 --> 02:29:56.720 with the residents and negotiating 02:29:56.720 --> 02:30:00.280 what those additional development standards 02:30:00.280 --> 02:30:03.400 would be needed that might not be able to be achieved 02:30:03.400 --> 02:30:06.360 under the current zoning to try and see 02:30:06.360 --> 02:30:09.240 if there's an opportunity to strike 02:30:09.240 --> 02:30:10.920 maybe a more appropriate balance 02:30:10.920 --> 02:30:12.280 between what's being requested 02:30:12.280 --> 02:30:15.800 and the adjoining property owners concerns. 02:30:15.800 --> 02:30:18.600 So, you know, if the commission were interested 02:30:18.600 --> 02:30:19.440 in something like that, 02:30:19.440 --> 02:30:21.360 I think it would be appropriate to hear from the applicant 02:30:21.360 --> 02:30:24.280 to see if the applicant would entertain that 02:30:24.280 --> 02:30:25.120 or if they wanna stay 02:30:25.120 --> 02:30:27.160 with their current zoning request as well. 02:30:27.160 --> 02:30:36.520 - I guess I'll extend that question to you, Nathan. 02:30:36.520 --> 02:30:39.080 Is that something you'd be interested 02:30:39.080 --> 02:30:43.680 or are you really just interested in the HI street zoning? 02:30:47.680 --> 02:30:51.880 - I would say like the prolific professor, 02:30:51.880 --> 02:30:53.800 a real estate professor at North Texas, 02:30:53.800 --> 02:30:55.720 John Bain always said it depends. 02:30:55.720 --> 02:30:58.760 I think that's a pretty broad question 02:30:58.760 --> 02:31:01.520 to ask me in this forum 02:31:01.520 --> 02:31:04.640 without having any time to consider the consequences. 02:31:04.640 --> 02:31:10.760 However, if there was any, from my perspective, 02:31:10.760 --> 02:31:13.160 if there was any willingness 02:31:13.160 --> 02:31:15.960 to negotiate a plan development, 02:31:17.880 --> 02:31:21.760 and maybe I should preface this by saying, 02:31:21.760 --> 02:31:26.760 you know, I have extensive experience rezoning properties 02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:29.080 not only in this city, 02:31:29.080 --> 02:31:34.440 but at least probably a dozen cities across the Metroplex. 02:31:34.440 --> 02:31:38.120 So, you know, I've seen, you know, 02:31:38.120 --> 02:31:42.480 a lot of times the PD is, 02:31:42.480 --> 02:31:45.280 it's basically a shakedown of the developer. 02:31:46.440 --> 02:31:51.000 And so unless there was some willingness by the city 02:31:51.000 --> 02:31:55.640 to provide services, which we currently do not have, 02:31:55.640 --> 02:31:57.840 we have no water, we have no sewer. 02:31:57.840 --> 02:32:00.520 I know for sure, you know, 02:32:00.520 --> 02:32:03.240 if I was to try to develop this property, 02:32:03.240 --> 02:32:06.080 the city would want me to expand roads 02:32:06.080 --> 02:32:09.040 and do a lot of infrastructure. 02:32:09.040 --> 02:32:12.720 Unless there was a negotiation 02:32:12.720 --> 02:32:15.560 or there was some kind of give and take, 02:32:15.560 --> 02:32:19.280 I don't see any benefit 02:32:19.280 --> 02:32:24.280 to taking that approach at this time. 02:32:24.280 --> 02:32:28.560 Given that staff has supported 02:32:28.560 --> 02:32:32.560 or recommended approval of this zoning case, 02:32:32.560 --> 02:32:34.400 it is consistent. - Thank you. 02:32:34.400 --> 02:32:35.240 Thank you, Nathan. 02:32:35.240 --> 02:32:39.000 I have a question for legal. 02:32:39.000 --> 02:32:44.680 It's been a while since we had one of these. 02:32:44.680 --> 02:32:49.040 I know we had an update on the legislative bills. 02:32:49.040 --> 02:32:51.080 And I think within the last couple of sessions, 02:32:51.080 --> 02:32:53.240 there have been some bills that expanded 02:32:53.240 --> 02:33:00.360 property owners' rights to seek de-annexation 02:33:00.360 --> 02:33:04.280 in certain conditions where they're not receiving services 02:33:04.280 --> 02:33:05.560 and that sort of thing. 02:33:05.560 --> 02:33:08.080 So I wanna make sure that the commission is aware 02:33:08.080 --> 02:33:12.080 of the potential futures of, 02:33:12.080 --> 02:33:15.960 and the residents nearby, that if, 02:33:15.960 --> 02:33:20.600 I guess the one question would be, 02:33:20.600 --> 02:33:21.960 is my understanding correct? 02:33:21.960 --> 02:33:25.880 Are there ways that property owners within the city 02:33:25.880 --> 02:33:28.920 could de-annex and then not be beholden 02:33:28.920 --> 02:33:32.640 to our zoning requirements and buffer requirements 02:33:32.640 --> 02:33:38.000 and continue to seek development of that land at that point? 02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:41.440 - That is an extremely broad question 02:33:41.440 --> 02:33:45.000 that implicates bills that aren't actually effective yet, 02:33:45.000 --> 02:33:48.400 as well as some bills from the last legislative session 02:33:48.400 --> 02:33:51.640 to my understanding are still being actively litigated. 02:33:51.640 --> 02:33:55.760 I would be irresponsible to prognosticate from the dais, 02:33:55.760 --> 02:33:58.560 and it could be inadvertently giving legal advice 02:33:58.560 --> 02:34:00.560 that is completely inaccurate. 02:34:00.560 --> 02:34:02.520 - Okay, thank you. 02:34:02.520 --> 02:34:11.160 Yeah, I'm no friend of PD's. 02:34:11.640 --> 02:34:13.120 When they're not necessary, 02:34:13.120 --> 02:34:16.560 especially in a quickly changing area like this, 02:34:16.560 --> 02:34:23.480 because they're gonna lock things in agreements 02:34:23.480 --> 02:34:27.880 that we made with property owners 02:34:27.880 --> 02:34:32.120 who a lot of these lots are probably gonna change hands 02:34:32.120 --> 02:34:33.680 in the next 10 years, right? 02:34:33.680 --> 02:34:35.480 It's just kind of the reality of it. 02:34:37.160 --> 02:34:41.600 But I guess any other discussion or questions 02:34:41.600 --> 02:34:43.120 or emotion at this point? 02:34:43.120 --> 02:34:47.320 - I think I would agree with you 02:34:47.320 --> 02:34:49.920 that PD probably isn't best 02:34:49.920 --> 02:34:53.040 because it's gonna end up being some kind of industrial, 02:34:53.040 --> 02:34:55.800 and I think that's not what the residents want. 02:34:55.800 --> 02:34:59.480 So I don't think that there's maybe an agreement 02:34:59.480 --> 02:35:00.840 that can be made, so. 02:35:00.840 --> 02:35:04.320 - And I'll just remind the commission 02:35:04.320 --> 02:35:07.680 that the way this works, since we have an even number 02:35:07.680 --> 02:35:10.320 of commissioners present this evening, 02:35:10.320 --> 02:35:13.600 if there is a motion that results in a tie vote, 02:35:13.600 --> 02:35:15.560 then that comes back as an item 02:35:15.560 --> 02:35:17.960 for individual consideration at our next meeting. 02:35:17.960 --> 02:35:23.120 And so, so be that way, as it may. 02:35:23.120 --> 02:35:30.040 Yeah, Commissioner. 02:35:33.520 --> 02:35:34.720 - Mcduff. 02:35:34.720 --> 02:35:37.320 - I'm gonna make a motion to move our vote along, 02:35:37.320 --> 02:35:39.840 although I too have concerns. 02:35:39.840 --> 02:35:43.320 And so I'm gonna recommend approval of this request. 02:35:43.320 --> 02:35:44.160 - Okay, thank you. 02:35:44.160 --> 02:35:48.280 And Commissioner Riggs. 02:35:48.280 --> 02:35:50.600 - I second it. 02:35:50.600 --> 02:35:57.960 - Yeah, I'm real sensitive to change. 02:35:59.040 --> 02:36:04.040 And I understand the result that we have 02:36:04.040 --> 02:36:09.320 being on the outskirts of a broad region 02:36:09.320 --> 02:36:12.240 means that the industrial growth here 02:36:12.240 --> 02:36:16.800 has been 15 times what you would expect it to be 02:36:16.800 --> 02:36:21.800 if we were not attached to the edge of a larger region, right? 02:36:21.800 --> 02:36:26.720 And so it feels fast, and it is fast. 02:36:30.000 --> 02:36:35.000 I, as staff mentioned, you know, we have to, 02:36:35.000 --> 02:36:39.640 to some extent, the provisions within our code 02:36:39.640 --> 02:36:43.640 for dark sky lighting, for the setbacks, 02:36:43.640 --> 02:36:51.000 for the enhanced buffering, that it would not hold a, 02:36:51.000 --> 02:36:58.080 or put development out there in a way 02:36:58.080 --> 02:37:00.520 that's insensitive to nearby residents. 02:37:00.520 --> 02:37:06.880 So I think I'll support this, but I understand the challenges 02:37:06.880 --> 02:37:10.960 and there's more to this process. 02:37:10.960 --> 02:37:15.960 So anything else for Commissioner Dyer or, okay. 02:37:15.960 --> 02:37:19.960 Seeing, yes, Commissioner Mcduff. 02:37:19.960 --> 02:37:23.080 - I did wanna make some additions here, 02:37:23.080 --> 02:37:25.000 some other comments. 02:37:25.000 --> 02:37:29.320 I do understand that we, I do appreciate the hole in one, 02:37:29.320 --> 02:37:30.680 we're trying to get that for you, 02:37:30.680 --> 02:37:34.400 but we also have some property owners too, 02:37:34.400 --> 02:37:39.400 that we're concerned about in the property rights, 02:37:39.400 --> 02:37:42.960 but also the environmental, these sensitive areas 02:37:42.960 --> 02:37:45.120 and the traffic and the pollution. 02:37:45.120 --> 02:37:47.380 And I'd like to make sure those thoughts 02:37:47.380 --> 02:37:49.180 are conveyed to the council. 02:37:49.180 --> 02:37:53.880 - Yeah, okay. 02:37:55.560 --> 02:37:56.400 Thank you. 02:37:56.400 --> 02:37:59.080 Seeing no other discussion, 02:37:59.080 --> 02:38:00.840 I'll call for a vote on the board. 02:38:00.840 --> 02:38:08.720 Thank you, that passes three, one. 02:38:08.720 --> 02:38:14.040 Do we have a date on when that will be going to council, Matt? 02:38:14.040 --> 02:38:22.280 - The next earliest available date is August 19th. 02:38:22.280 --> 02:38:26.560 - Okay, so it should be noticed for that 02:38:26.560 --> 02:38:30.120 between now and then if it happens at August 19th, okay. 02:38:30.120 --> 02:38:30.940 Thank you. 02:38:30.940 --> 02:38:35.620 Okay, that brings us to, sorry. 02:38:35.620 --> 02:38:43.800 Commissioner Mcduff, do you, no. 02:38:43.800 --> 02:38:48.800 Okay, that brings us to item 5C, S25-0004. 02:38:52.280 --> 02:38:53.280 - Thank you. 02:38:53.280 --> 02:39:05.080 All right. 02:39:05.080 --> 02:39:08.720 Good evening again, commission, 02:39:08.720 --> 02:39:10.900 Matt Burdine, Assistant Planner, 02:39:10.900 --> 02:39:15.080 here to present the 1305 Oak Boarding House 02:39:15.080 --> 02:39:17.400 specific use permit case. 02:39:17.400 --> 02:39:21.440 So this requested specific use permit 02:39:21.440 --> 02:39:26.280 is associated with a 0.4 acre lot 02:39:26.280 --> 02:39:28.920 located well within city limits 02:39:28.920 --> 02:39:31.200 at the corner of Oak and Fry Street. 02:39:31.200 --> 02:39:34.200 It is currently a developed piece of property 02:39:34.200 --> 02:39:37.800 with a fairly large residential building on it 02:39:37.800 --> 02:39:41.240 with parking, landscaping, 02:39:41.240 --> 02:39:44.120 as well as curb cups onto Fry Street. 02:39:44.120 --> 02:39:48.440 It's surrounded by a large mix of uses, 02:39:48.440 --> 02:39:50.080 in particular, multifamily dwellings 02:39:50.080 --> 02:39:52.240 as well as commercial uses. 02:39:52.240 --> 02:39:56.020 The current zoning mixed use neighborhood 02:39:56.020 --> 02:39:58.320 within the Fry Street overlay district 02:39:58.320 --> 02:40:02.200 and within that district, a boarding house 02:40:02.200 --> 02:40:04.720 requires a specific use permit, 02:40:04.720 --> 02:40:07.640 hence the request before you today. 02:40:07.640 --> 02:40:12.960 This request was reviewed against our general 02:40:12.960 --> 02:40:16.060 and specific use permit criteria for approval. 02:40:17.920 --> 02:40:21.640 So a little bit more about the SUP 02:40:21.640 --> 02:40:22.840 as well as the boarding house. 02:40:22.840 --> 02:40:26.440 So the development code defines a boarding house 02:40:26.440 --> 02:40:30.240 as a building for non-transit lodging 02:40:30.240 --> 02:40:33.720 of more than four but less than 20 persons 02:40:33.720 --> 02:40:35.880 that may provide meals, 02:40:35.880 --> 02:40:37.360 provided that any cooking is done 02:40:37.360 --> 02:40:38.720 within a central kitchen. 02:40:38.720 --> 02:40:42.400 As stated in MN district, 02:40:42.400 --> 02:40:45.760 this use would require a specific use permit, 02:40:45.760 --> 02:40:48.720 which goes before you and then city council. 02:40:48.720 --> 02:40:52.840 So this specific use permit being proposed 02:40:52.840 --> 02:40:54.080 with the additional conditions 02:40:54.080 --> 02:40:56.040 that there's no more than nine bedrooms 02:40:56.040 --> 02:40:58.640 and no less than 10 parking spaces. 02:40:58.640 --> 02:41:02.280 This is to just maintain consistency 02:41:02.280 --> 02:41:05.040 of the site as it's developed right now, 02:41:05.040 --> 02:41:09.480 as well as maintain compliance with the development code. 02:41:09.480 --> 02:41:11.880 And it is important to note that at this time, 02:41:11.880 --> 02:41:16.160 the applicant has not indicated any proposed site changes, 02:41:16.160 --> 02:41:19.020 mainly just a change in the use of the property. 02:41:19.020 --> 02:41:24.660 So this was reviewed against the comprehensive plan 02:41:24.660 --> 02:41:27.760 and the future land use designation 02:41:27.760 --> 02:41:31.320 of neighborhood university compatibility area. 02:41:31.320 --> 02:41:35.560 This designation applies to those areas near our universities 02:41:35.560 --> 02:41:40.560 and which encourages those building forms 02:41:40.560 --> 02:41:44.120 and land uses that can serve both established neighborhoods 02:41:44.120 --> 02:41:45.840 as well as those universities. 02:41:45.840 --> 02:41:48.920 And staff found that the boarding house use 02:41:48.920 --> 02:41:51.800 does that as well. 02:41:51.800 --> 02:41:54.920 Staff did find that this particular use 02:41:54.920 --> 02:41:58.760 in this location advances the goal to grow compactly 02:41:58.760 --> 02:42:04.360 as it would be an adaptive reuse of the already developed site 02:42:04.360 --> 02:42:07.120 that has existing utilities, city services, 02:42:07.120 --> 02:42:10.320 and public amenities that it can take advantage 02:42:10.320 --> 02:42:15.320 of and also found it to be consistent 02:42:15.320 --> 02:42:16.960 with those goals and requirements 02:42:16.960 --> 02:42:19.640 of the freshly-overlaid district 02:42:19.640 --> 02:42:21.600 and the Oak Gateway area plan. 02:42:21.600 --> 02:42:27.480 So this request was notified according to the city limits. 02:42:27.480 --> 02:42:34.120 Staff has shown the map with the 200-foot buffer 02:42:34.120 --> 02:42:36.020 and then the 500-foot buffer. 02:42:37.000 --> 02:42:40.400 Staff has not received any written opinions 02:42:40.400 --> 02:42:42.200 from members of the community. 02:42:42.200 --> 02:42:46.240 And at this time, we are recommending approval 02:42:46.240 --> 02:42:48.760 of the requested specific use permit 02:42:48.760 --> 02:42:51.760 as it is compliant with the criteria for approval. 02:42:51.760 --> 02:42:55.120 Here to answer any questions, 02:42:55.120 --> 02:42:56.920 and then the applicant is here as well. 02:42:56.920 --> 02:43:04.840 - Okay, any questions from the commission? 02:43:04.840 --> 02:43:08.760 No, okay, I'll go ahead and open the public hearing 02:43:08.760 --> 02:43:10.400 at this time. 02:43:10.400 --> 02:43:13.680 We do have one person wishing to speak, Kim McKibbin. 02:43:13.680 --> 02:43:18.280 If you could come down and state your name and address 02:43:18.280 --> 02:43:19.880 and you'll have four minutes. 02:43:19.880 --> 02:43:27.160 - You're right, you've had some tall ones. 02:43:27.160 --> 02:43:28.320 My name is Kim McKibbin. 02:43:28.320 --> 02:43:32.480 I own the property located at 1306 West Hickory Street, 02:43:32.480 --> 02:43:37.240 which is somewhat adjacent to the student center. 02:43:37.240 --> 02:43:44.280 I have questions about the purpose of the boarding house, 02:43:44.280 --> 02:43:47.000 who, is it open to the public? 02:43:47.000 --> 02:43:51.160 What are the restrictions or whatever it is 02:43:51.160 --> 02:43:53.480 for individuals to live there? 02:43:53.480 --> 02:43:58.200 Will they be paying appropriate rent for a two-bedroom room? 02:43:58.200 --> 02:44:00.840 Which is, I understand what that's been planned 02:44:00.840 --> 02:44:03.120 is for 18 individuals. 02:44:03.120 --> 02:44:08.120 So, as a local person on that corner, 02:44:08.120 --> 02:44:12.320 our local business, during the Oak Street development plan, 02:44:12.320 --> 02:44:16.160 we were asked to remove our garbage collections 02:44:16.160 --> 02:44:19.280 from the street. 02:44:19.280 --> 02:44:23.240 And fortunately, the student center was willing 02:44:23.240 --> 02:44:27.800 to come together so that everyone on that basic corner 02:44:27.800 --> 02:44:29.840 shared one dumpster. 02:44:29.840 --> 02:44:31.920 I'd like to know that that's going to be considered 02:44:31.920 --> 02:44:36.560 because right now I pay $86 for one-fifth of that dumpster 02:44:36.560 --> 02:44:39.280 every month, which is kind of extreme. 02:44:39.280 --> 02:44:40.240 But I don't wanna lose it 02:44:40.240 --> 02:44:43.280 'cause I have no other alternative for do that. 02:44:43.280 --> 02:44:48.280 Also, parking is very, very difficult in that area. 02:44:48.280 --> 02:44:51.040 And since I do run a business, 02:44:51.040 --> 02:44:54.680 I'm concerned about people coming into park 02:44:54.680 --> 02:44:56.360 who are going in and out of the coffee shop. 02:44:56.360 --> 02:44:58.840 I own Ora Coffee, which is at that address. 02:44:59.720 --> 02:45:03.880 The thing that I'm concerned about is if these people, 02:45:03.880 --> 02:45:07.600 do they have restrictions or could anyone walk up 02:45:07.600 --> 02:45:11.000 and ask to be admitted to this boarding house? 02:45:11.000 --> 02:45:13.280 I've got a little bit of an idea what's happening. 02:45:13.280 --> 02:45:17.840 Also, the parking, there are nine spaces there 02:45:17.840 --> 02:45:21.200 that are currently leased out to different people 02:45:21.200 --> 02:45:22.760 by the facility. 02:45:22.760 --> 02:45:26.680 One of them is a handicap parking spot 02:45:26.680 --> 02:45:28.440 and I'm pleased for that. 02:45:28.440 --> 02:45:32.120 There are three reserved spaces for the workers 02:45:32.120 --> 02:45:35.920 in the building and then there's two more spaces, 02:45:35.920 --> 02:45:39.120 which I guess is the only way they're getting 16, 02:45:39.120 --> 02:45:42.880 which I've always thought were utilized by Zebra Head 02:45:42.880 --> 02:45:44.280 for their staff. 02:45:44.280 --> 02:45:46.200 So I need more information 02:45:46.200 --> 02:45:49.560 than really what I've gotten so far. 02:45:49.560 --> 02:45:51.160 I did talk to Mr. Stevens. 02:45:51.160 --> 02:45:53.640 Unfortunately, I interrupted his vacation 02:45:53.640 --> 02:45:55.960 and called him on the phone. 02:45:55.960 --> 02:45:58.440 We've worked really well with this group before, 02:45:58.440 --> 02:45:59.840 just seeking some information 02:45:59.840 --> 02:46:04.440 because I'm getting questions from the other people 02:46:04.440 --> 02:46:08.240 and I'm the only one that basically owns the building 02:46:08.240 --> 02:46:10.120 that they're in right there and running the stuff. 02:46:10.120 --> 02:46:12.840 So I need more information. 02:46:12.840 --> 02:46:16.720 I do have concerns about what the rules are, 02:46:16.720 --> 02:46:18.520 how people are gonna be treated. 02:46:18.520 --> 02:46:20.320 I wanna make sure that it is fair for the people 02:46:20.320 --> 02:46:21.560 that are in the boarding house 02:46:21.560 --> 02:46:25.440 and that the church gets whatever it wants out of it as well 02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:27.360 within reasons. 02:46:27.360 --> 02:46:29.120 I just need more information. 02:46:29.120 --> 02:46:32.760 - Thank you. 02:46:32.760 --> 02:46:35.560 This is a public hearing. 02:46:35.560 --> 02:46:37.600 I don't have any more cards yet, 02:46:37.600 --> 02:46:41.080 but anybody, if you wish, can come down to speak. 02:46:41.080 --> 02:46:41.920 Yes. 02:46:41.920 --> 02:46:46.360 If you can state your name and address. 02:46:46.360 --> 02:46:49.200 - I'm Brandon Bell. 02:46:49.200 --> 02:46:52.480 I'm at 318 East Lloyd Street in Crum, Texas. 02:46:52.480 --> 02:46:53.920 And I'm the campus minister 02:46:53.920 --> 02:46:55.880 for the Christian Campus Community. 02:46:55.880 --> 02:46:59.600 We, totally valid questions, Kim. 02:46:59.600 --> 02:47:00.760 Kim's a great neighbor. 02:47:00.760 --> 02:47:04.920 And we do plan on continuing to share the garbage space. 02:47:04.920 --> 02:47:06.920 That should not be a problem. 02:47:06.920 --> 02:47:09.000 Yes, our parking space is limited, 02:47:09.000 --> 02:47:12.040 considering the two directly behind Zebra Head 02:47:12.040 --> 02:47:14.320 are for Zebra Head employees. 02:47:14.320 --> 02:47:18.720 And, but at any given time, our lot's full 02:47:18.720 --> 02:47:20.400 based on our events and activities, 02:47:20.400 --> 02:47:24.720 based on our students that buy a pass for the semester. 02:47:24.720 --> 02:47:28.480 And so I know we have people 02:47:28.480 --> 02:47:30.400 come in and out of our lot constantly 02:47:30.400 --> 02:47:33.760 that are going to Chipotle, Zebra Head, Auro, 02:47:33.760 --> 02:47:37.760 all the different restaurants and shops on our block. 02:47:37.760 --> 02:47:40.840 The only towing we do is typically at random 02:47:40.840 --> 02:47:41.920 with on the road towing. 02:47:41.920 --> 02:47:45.640 They look for our sticker for our registration 02:47:45.640 --> 02:47:48.040 for our parking pass. 02:47:48.040 --> 02:47:49.560 And if it doesn't have that pass, 02:47:49.560 --> 02:47:51.760 they typically check with me to see, 02:47:51.760 --> 02:47:53.200 hey, is that somebody I know? 02:47:53.200 --> 02:47:55.160 Or, you know, are they just running next door? 02:47:55.160 --> 02:47:56.240 It's not a big deal. 02:47:56.240 --> 02:47:59.560 But anyway, so our parking lot does get used 02:47:59.560 --> 02:48:02.360 by a lot of the business traffic. 02:48:02.360 --> 02:48:06.000 And unfortunately, like she said, it's extremely limited. 02:48:06.000 --> 02:48:10.560 So, but we do have the correct amount of spaces 02:48:10.560 --> 02:48:13.240 for the specific use permit. 02:48:13.240 --> 02:48:17.560 Just for clarification, basically give you kind of an idea 02:48:17.560 --> 02:48:20.720 where we're coming from, for my role as a campus minister, 02:48:20.720 --> 02:48:24.520 there's very little education that's available 02:48:24.520 --> 02:48:26.760 at a Christian college, at a seminary. 02:48:26.760 --> 02:48:30.800 They don't have very many college specific ministry tracks. 02:48:30.800 --> 02:48:34.600 And so for people to get the experience that I've got, 02:48:34.600 --> 02:48:35.760 it takes a lot of hands on. 02:48:35.760 --> 02:48:37.760 And so we see a really strong need 02:48:37.760 --> 02:48:42.320 for more of a residential apprenticeship type of program. 02:48:42.320 --> 02:48:45.480 And so we're actually partnering with E3 Partners, 02:48:45.480 --> 02:48:47.960 which is a missions organization that's highly skilled 02:48:47.960 --> 02:48:51.600 at helping train people in ministry. 02:48:51.600 --> 02:48:53.000 And so together with them, 02:48:53.000 --> 02:48:56.740 we're going to be vetting students that are applying 02:48:56.740 --> 02:48:58.160 to be in these kinds of roles. 02:48:58.160 --> 02:49:00.560 So it will be very, very, very selective. 02:49:00.560 --> 02:49:04.080 It's not just open for anybody that wants a place to stay. 02:49:04.080 --> 02:49:07.000 It'll be very, very selective for that program. 02:49:07.000 --> 02:49:09.800 Now, having the specific use permit would allow us 02:49:09.800 --> 02:49:11.880 for those students who, you know, 02:49:11.880 --> 02:49:13.440 one of the big issues we've got right now, 02:49:13.440 --> 02:49:15.640 we've got so many international students 02:49:15.640 --> 02:49:17.640 that are really, really, really struggling 02:49:17.640 --> 02:49:19.920 to find anywhere they can afford 02:49:19.920 --> 02:49:21.860 and be somewhat close to campus. 02:49:21.860 --> 02:49:24.000 And so it's really a burden on me to go, 02:49:24.000 --> 02:49:27.160 hey, we've got these nine bedrooms upstairs 02:49:27.160 --> 02:49:29.640 that are primarily offices, you know, game rooms, 02:49:29.640 --> 02:49:31.560 storage for furniture for students. 02:49:31.560 --> 02:49:34.400 And so to be able to provide maybe a temporary place, 02:49:34.400 --> 02:49:36.520 'cause we had a lot of students in transition 02:49:36.520 --> 02:49:38.380 and still be in compliance with the city 02:49:38.380 --> 02:49:39.760 with code for a building, 02:49:39.760 --> 02:49:42.640 will be an added bonus having this permit. 02:49:42.640 --> 02:49:47.640 But primarily it is for a very high level 02:49:47.640 --> 02:49:49.560 kind of apprenticeship program. 02:49:49.560 --> 02:49:51.280 For those that want to go into campus ministry 02:49:51.280 --> 02:49:53.280 and it gives them the hands-on experience 02:49:53.280 --> 02:49:56.760 and allows our building to be used in a very hospitable way 02:49:56.760 --> 02:49:59.600 and not just like a church building for college students 02:49:59.600 --> 02:50:02.720 as it kind of currently is limited. 02:50:02.720 --> 02:50:04.440 - Okay. - Thank you. 02:50:04.440 --> 02:50:05.280 - Thank you. 02:50:05.280 --> 02:50:10.160 This is a public hearing, anyone else? 02:50:10.160 --> 02:50:12.520 If you would like to speak, you may come down. 02:50:12.800 --> 02:50:17.380 - I'm not seeing anybody. 02:50:17.380 --> 02:50:20.760 I'll close the public hearing. 02:50:20.760 --> 02:50:22.400 Open the floor for discussion. 02:50:22.400 --> 02:50:25.740 More questions if there are any. 02:50:25.740 --> 02:50:30.720 I'll just offer, 02:50:30.720 --> 02:50:37.220 you know, this is a unique area of town, 02:50:37.220 --> 02:50:42.220 but when we go back in history, 02:50:43.040 --> 02:50:47.400 boarding houses used to be extremely common, right? 02:50:47.400 --> 02:50:51.400 It was the typical entry-level housing option 02:50:51.400 --> 02:50:56.720 for people coming into a big city 02:50:56.720 --> 02:50:59.520 as they moved to the city to get a job. 02:50:59.520 --> 02:51:04.720 And in many cases, we've cut that lowest rung 02:51:04.720 --> 02:51:05.820 of the ladder off. 02:51:05.820 --> 02:51:10.440 Obviously the specific use of this area, 02:51:10.440 --> 02:51:14.900 you know, it's gonna vary, but I think, 02:51:14.900 --> 02:51:17.840 you know, I've seen firsthand the need 02:51:17.840 --> 02:51:20.680 for international students and that sort of thing. 02:51:20.680 --> 02:51:26.160 I also think that, you know, as this property 02:51:26.160 --> 02:51:29.400 gets used in the future, the more it ends up being used 02:51:29.400 --> 02:51:33.720 for residential activities and the less 02:51:33.720 --> 02:51:36.380 for large event type of activities, 02:51:36.380 --> 02:51:39.000 that's honestly a little bit less taxing 02:51:39.000 --> 02:51:41.180 on the parking situation and that sort of thing 02:51:41.180 --> 02:51:42.600 from my perspective. 02:51:42.600 --> 02:51:46.320 'Cause many of the perspective tenants 02:51:46.320 --> 02:51:50.600 would be at a stage of life 02:51:50.600 --> 02:51:52.920 where maybe they're taking classes also at the university 02:51:52.920 --> 02:51:57.920 and, you know, it's all 250 feet away. 02:51:57.920 --> 02:52:01.320 So, Commissioner Riggs, though, 02:52:01.320 --> 02:52:03.680 did you have a question or comment? 02:52:03.680 --> 02:52:04.880 - Just had more of a comment. 02:52:04.880 --> 02:52:07.400 This is a, I remember back in the day 02:52:07.400 --> 02:52:09.320 when this was a frat house. 02:52:09.320 --> 02:52:11.640 This is a much better use of the property. 02:52:11.640 --> 02:52:13.480 I have to say that. 02:52:13.480 --> 02:52:16.480 I can remember seeing people jump off that building, so yeah. 02:52:16.480 --> 02:52:20.360 - Trip down history lane. 02:52:20.360 --> 02:52:21.200 Okay. 02:52:21.200 --> 02:52:26.240 Any, open the floor for a motion 02:52:26.240 --> 02:52:29.000 or if there's any other questions, certainly. 02:52:29.000 --> 02:52:29.840 - Go ahead. 02:52:29.840 --> 02:52:33.120 - Commissioner Riggs. 02:52:33.120 --> 02:52:35.280 - I make a motion to approve the SUP. 02:52:36.260 --> 02:52:37.800 - Commissioner McDuff. 02:52:37.800 --> 02:52:40.640 - I second the motion to approve the SUP. 02:52:40.640 --> 02:52:41.560 - With additions. 02:52:41.560 --> 02:52:43.920 - Yes, with the staff recommended conditions. 02:52:43.920 --> 02:52:44.960 - Yes. - Yes. 02:52:44.960 --> 02:52:47.120 - Staff recommended additions. 02:52:47.120 --> 02:52:48.440 - We have a motion to approve 02:52:48.440 --> 02:52:50.720 with staff recommended conditions and a second. 02:52:50.720 --> 02:52:54.680 Seeing no more discussion, we'll call for a vote on board. 02:52:54.680 --> 02:53:02.860 That item passes four zero, thank you. 02:53:05.240 --> 02:53:09.400 That's our last public hearing of the evening. 02:53:09.400 --> 02:53:14.880 Brings us to item 6A, 02:53:14.880 --> 02:53:17.360 Planning and Zoning Commission Project Matrix. 02:53:17.360 --> 02:53:19.480 - Thank you, Chair. 02:53:19.480 --> 02:53:23.840 So as it relates to the matrix document itself, 02:53:23.840 --> 02:53:25.600 there were no changes made to it 02:53:25.600 --> 02:53:27.840 as there were no requests at the last meeting. 02:53:27.840 --> 02:53:32.160 In terms of city council action on development projects 02:53:32.160 --> 02:53:34.760 that the commission has considered in the past, 02:53:34.760 --> 02:53:37.400 since your last Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02:53:37.400 --> 02:53:39.360 if you recall, we had the Gateway of Denton 02:53:39.360 --> 02:53:40.540 Plan Development District Amendment 02:53:40.540 --> 02:53:42.240 that was really geared towards signage, 02:53:42.240 --> 02:53:44.160 allowing for a taller pole sign 02:53:44.160 --> 02:53:47.760 and some directional signage that Haley presented 02:53:47.760 --> 02:53:51.040 and council did approve that. 02:53:51.040 --> 02:53:52.880 Also, if you recall, 02:53:52.880 --> 02:53:55.960 the fall meadow multifamily specific use permit 02:53:55.960 --> 02:53:59.960 that was done that took advantage of the two, 02:53:59.960 --> 02:54:03.080 what we call the 2.12 sub-chapter provisions 02:54:03.080 --> 02:54:06.280 to be able to assist with affordable housing projects. 02:54:06.280 --> 02:54:09.560 That was also approved by city council. 02:54:09.560 --> 02:54:12.320 So this is my final report 02:54:12.320 --> 02:54:14.120 to the Planning and Zoning Commission. 02:54:14.120 --> 02:54:16.600 So I just wanted to take an opportunity, if I could, 02:54:16.600 --> 02:54:19.360 just to say thank you to the commission for your support 02:54:19.360 --> 02:54:22.800 during my time here at the City of Denton. 02:54:22.800 --> 02:54:24.560 And this includes past commissioners too, 02:54:24.560 --> 02:54:27.560 because I know right now the most senior person 02:54:27.560 --> 02:54:30.600 is Chair Pruitt and he was here when I got here. 02:54:30.600 --> 02:54:33.440 So, but the additions to the commission 02:54:33.440 --> 02:54:35.560 have been absolutely wonderful. 02:54:35.560 --> 02:54:38.440 I wanna compliment you all in your thorough deliberation. 02:54:38.440 --> 02:54:41.560 You had a case this evening was very challenging. 02:54:41.560 --> 02:54:45.800 You've had some cases here not too long ago 02:54:45.800 --> 02:54:47.260 that were also very challenging, 02:54:47.260 --> 02:54:49.220 but I commend you in your deliberation. 02:54:49.220 --> 02:54:52.400 You're very thoughtful as you consider each of these requests 02:54:52.400 --> 02:54:55.100 given the fact that they do affect property owner rights 02:54:55.100 --> 02:54:56.520 and they take into consideration 02:54:56.520 --> 02:54:58.480 nearby resident concerns as well. 02:54:58.480 --> 02:55:02.320 And that's hard, especially when you're receiving comments 02:55:02.320 --> 02:55:04.800 of concern from residents and property owners. 02:55:04.800 --> 02:55:09.320 So know that I leave you with a very competent staff. 02:55:09.320 --> 02:55:13.520 Haley will be the interim director following my departure. 02:55:13.520 --> 02:55:15.360 Without Haley, I would not have been able 02:55:15.360 --> 02:55:16.880 to be successful in this role. 02:55:16.880 --> 02:55:18.960 She is super solid, she is a rock star. 02:55:18.960 --> 02:55:21.080 She will lead you as well as Angie 02:55:21.080 --> 02:55:22.360 and the rest of the planning team. 02:55:22.360 --> 02:55:25.880 So when I say that I leave you in very competent hands, 02:55:25.880 --> 02:55:27.480 trust me that I do. 02:55:28.680 --> 02:55:31.680 Also, I would like to address, during my time here, 02:55:31.680 --> 02:55:32.980 the Planning and Zoning Commission 02:55:32.980 --> 02:55:35.120 has had some significant accomplishments 02:55:35.120 --> 02:55:37.120 outside the typical consideration 02:55:37.120 --> 02:55:39.120 of the plats that are on your agenda, 02:55:39.120 --> 02:55:40.960 the challenging zoning cases, 02:55:40.960 --> 02:55:42.920 the occasional zoning compliance plan, 02:55:42.920 --> 02:55:46.400 alternate ESA plan and other variances. 02:55:46.400 --> 02:55:48.760 I know Chair Pruitt, sorry, I wanna call you Eric, 02:55:48.760 --> 02:55:53.040 but I know Chair Pruitt would know some of these 02:55:53.040 --> 02:55:56.040 more significant accomplishments that we've had 02:55:56.040 --> 02:55:58.520 as 'cause a couple of these things might predate some 02:55:58.520 --> 02:55:59.480 others on the commission. 02:55:59.480 --> 02:56:01.040 But one is when I first started here, 02:56:01.040 --> 02:56:02.720 we were in the middle of adopting, 02:56:02.720 --> 02:56:04.080 trying to adopt the update 02:56:04.080 --> 02:56:06.440 to the City of Denton's Comprehensive Plan. 02:56:06.440 --> 02:56:09.440 So they put it on pause to allow me to get here 02:56:09.440 --> 02:56:12.200 and help the staff get it across the finish line. 02:56:12.200 --> 02:56:13.040 So we did that. 02:56:13.040 --> 02:56:15.700 Simultaneously, we also did the mobility plan 02:56:15.700 --> 02:56:18.480 to be able to better address the mobility concerns. 02:56:18.480 --> 02:56:21.040 We know we have mobility challenges within our community 02:56:21.040 --> 02:56:24.120 and we've had the opportunity to get our updated mobility 02:56:24.120 --> 02:56:27.040 plan in place to be able to address those mobility 02:56:27.040 --> 02:56:29.440 challenges, also taking consideration, 02:56:29.440 --> 02:56:30.720 pedestrian and bicycle needs, 02:56:30.720 --> 02:56:33.200 in addition to just the vehicles within our community. 02:56:33.200 --> 02:56:35.000 But we did that in tandem with updating 02:56:35.000 --> 02:56:36.560 the Comprehensive Plan. 02:56:36.560 --> 02:56:38.680 That Comprehensive Plan will help hopefully guide us 02:56:38.680 --> 02:56:41.160 for the next probably 15 years. 02:56:41.160 --> 02:56:42.880 We should update it every five to 10 years. 02:56:42.880 --> 02:56:47.320 So when we have better financial resources, 02:56:47.320 --> 02:56:49.680 know that Haley, that needs to be an item on the list. 02:56:49.680 --> 02:56:52.960 So we've also had the opportunity, 02:56:52.960 --> 02:56:54.800 one of the projects that I'm most proud of 02:56:54.800 --> 02:56:56.040 for our community was the adoption 02:56:56.040 --> 02:56:57.840 of the Southeast Denton Area Plan. 02:56:57.840 --> 02:57:00.800 That plan was significantly needed for our community. 02:57:00.800 --> 02:57:02.880 We were dealing with planning issues 02:57:02.880 --> 02:57:06.400 that stemmed from actions taken 100 years ago 02:57:06.400 --> 02:57:08.080 that none of us were here for. 02:57:08.080 --> 02:57:10.880 And having to build trust with the community. 02:57:10.880 --> 02:57:13.100 I told my team if there's one thing that we are going to do, 02:57:13.100 --> 02:57:15.480 it is build trust with the residents of Southeast Denton. 02:57:15.480 --> 02:57:17.760 And I think we did a tremendous effort. 02:57:17.760 --> 02:57:19.840 We tried to build trust with residents 02:57:19.840 --> 02:57:22.160 throughout the community, I should add. 02:57:22.160 --> 02:57:24.920 But in particular, just given the historical past 02:57:24.920 --> 02:57:27.240 that was still hanging over us, 02:57:27.240 --> 02:57:29.160 it was very important that we do that plan. 02:57:29.160 --> 02:57:31.600 We now have a vision in place that was developed 02:57:31.600 --> 02:57:33.680 by the community, by the residents themselves. 02:57:33.680 --> 02:57:36.640 And that's very significant for us as we move forward. 02:57:36.640 --> 02:57:39.520 Our Design Downtown Denton Plan was another major plan 02:57:39.520 --> 02:57:43.240 that we undertook and helps provide us a path 02:57:43.240 --> 02:57:47.880 for investing in our downtown for the next 15 to 20 years. 02:57:47.880 --> 02:57:49.220 I did not have this one on the list, 02:57:49.220 --> 02:57:51.640 but I do need to acknowledge the Northeast Denton Plan, 02:57:51.640 --> 02:57:53.800 despite the challenges that we had working through that. 02:57:53.800 --> 02:57:57.200 The commission was very steadfast in trying to help figure out 02:57:57.200 --> 02:58:00.200 what was the best possible options for Northeast Denton 02:58:00.200 --> 02:58:02.760 before we put that particular project on pause. 02:58:02.760 --> 02:58:05.160 So I commend the commissioners who are around this dais 02:58:05.160 --> 02:58:07.720 when we were having those conversations. 02:58:07.720 --> 02:58:09.960 Short-term rentals, that was one of the most 02:58:09.960 --> 02:58:11.840 complicated zoning cases that the commission 02:58:11.840 --> 02:58:13.600 has had to work through. 02:58:13.600 --> 02:58:15.240 Again, I know some of that predates you all, 02:58:15.240 --> 02:58:17.640 but if you kept up with that, 02:58:17.640 --> 02:58:20.600 I think Angie, that was our longest running zoning case. 02:58:20.600 --> 02:58:22.520 So Angie holds the title for that one. 02:58:22.520 --> 02:58:27.200 I would add also public engagement. 02:58:27.200 --> 02:58:30.180 In addition to my staff attending the neighborhood meetings 02:58:30.180 --> 02:58:33.360 that are associated with zoning entitlement cases, 02:58:33.360 --> 02:58:37.840 as it relates to probably within the last two years, 02:58:37.840 --> 02:58:38.680 if I had to count, 02:58:38.680 --> 02:58:42.400 we have probably done over 100 public engagement events 02:58:42.400 --> 02:58:44.700 related to the planning efforts within the community. 02:58:44.700 --> 02:58:48.480 I know we did at least 40 with the Downtown Denton Plan. 02:58:48.480 --> 02:58:50.960 We also did over 40 with Southeast Denton. 02:58:50.960 --> 02:58:53.600 When I think about what we did for short-term rentals 02:58:53.600 --> 02:58:54.840 and some of the other projects 02:58:54.840 --> 02:58:56.880 that we've got going on in Southeast Denton, 02:58:56.880 --> 02:58:58.320 we did the block party, 02:58:58.320 --> 02:59:00.600 all the engagement that we've been doing on, 02:59:00.600 --> 02:59:02.520 we call it the said low and the said row. 02:59:02.520 --> 02:59:05.640 So the Southeast Denton live work overlay 02:59:05.640 --> 02:59:08.240 and the residential overlay that's currently in process. 02:59:08.240 --> 02:59:09.940 And you've challenged us to do more 02:59:09.940 --> 02:59:11.960 before we bring back final recommendations to you. 02:59:11.960 --> 02:59:14.160 But the fact that our team has done 02:59:14.160 --> 02:59:15.820 that amount of engagement, 02:59:15.820 --> 02:59:18.880 we have not done that level of engagement 02:59:18.880 --> 02:59:20.240 probably in the history of Denton 02:59:20.240 --> 02:59:21.520 compared to what we've accomplished 02:59:21.520 --> 02:59:22.640 within the last two years. 02:59:22.640 --> 02:59:26.480 And so I share all that because these successes 02:59:26.480 --> 02:59:29.160 are not necessarily related to me. 02:59:29.160 --> 02:59:31.640 Sorry, I'm gonna get emotional 'cause I love my team. 02:59:31.640 --> 02:59:35.520 They are related to the successes of my team. 02:59:35.520 --> 02:59:37.640 They are amazing people. 02:59:37.640 --> 02:59:40.280 And they are all about trying to make Denton 02:59:40.280 --> 02:59:42.400 something better than it is today. 02:59:42.400 --> 02:59:44.120 And they are very committed to the city 02:59:44.120 --> 02:59:46.000 and I commend them because they have done 02:59:46.000 --> 02:59:46.940 just tremendous work. 02:59:46.940 --> 02:59:49.400 So my apologies for getting a little emotional. 02:59:49.400 --> 02:59:50.720 They know I love them dearly. 02:59:50.720 --> 02:59:52.000 I will miss working with them. 02:59:52.000 --> 02:59:53.320 I will miss working with all of you. 02:59:53.320 --> 02:59:54.440 So thank you for that. 02:59:54.440 --> 03:00:03.240 - Tina, I'll start this off by saying the feeling is mutual. 03:00:03.240 --> 03:00:09.120 I remember being here when you came in 03:00:09.120 --> 03:00:13.140 to observe a meeting over in one of those seats. 03:00:13.140 --> 03:00:15.800 And you're like, "Okay, who are these people?" 03:00:15.800 --> 03:00:16.640 With Scott. 03:00:16.640 --> 03:00:20.880 And we've done a lot in the last four, four and a half years. 03:00:20.880 --> 03:00:26.960 I remember several times you mentioning 03:00:26.960 --> 03:00:31.400 a former chair of another commission 03:00:31.400 --> 03:00:36.400 that you worked with that would say a few things. 03:00:36.400 --> 03:00:41.160 And one of the things you repeated 03:00:41.160 --> 03:00:45.800 was that he viewed essentially what you see 03:00:45.800 --> 03:00:46.960 on the corridor of the freeway 03:00:46.960 --> 03:00:50.240 as you're entering the town as the window dressing 03:00:50.240 --> 03:00:52.400 of here's who we are, right? 03:00:52.400 --> 03:00:54.000 Just because the volume of people 03:00:54.000 --> 03:00:57.240 that come through on the freeway dwarfs everything else. 03:00:57.240 --> 03:00:59.400 It kind of makes me scared 03:00:59.400 --> 03:01:01.560 at what you're gonna tell other people about us. 03:01:01.560 --> 03:01:03.140 (laughing) 03:01:03.140 --> 03:01:04.340 Hopefully it's all good. 03:01:04.340 --> 03:01:10.960 But I'm glad for your opportunities 03:01:11.840 --> 03:01:14.440 and wish you the best 03:01:14.440 --> 03:01:17.640 as you work through serving a different family 03:01:17.640 --> 03:01:20.080 and your own family a little bit more, hopefully. 03:01:20.080 --> 03:01:26.920 I didn't have the benefit of working with Richard 03:01:26.920 --> 03:01:28.560 before you for very long. 03:01:28.560 --> 03:01:30.920 But I know when he left, 03:01:30.920 --> 03:01:35.280 there was a lot of similar feelings 03:01:38.360 --> 03:01:43.040 because he helped usher really the city 03:01:43.040 --> 03:01:45.240 through the 2019 code update. 03:01:45.240 --> 03:01:48.320 And that was a huge effort. 03:01:48.320 --> 03:01:53.960 And I thank you especially for the staff 03:01:53.960 --> 03:01:56.680 and getting everybody on board. 03:01:56.680 --> 03:01:59.640 When I look at our staff, newer commissioners, 03:01:59.640 --> 03:02:04.360 just understand that one of those little special things 03:02:04.360 --> 03:02:07.040 that people don't understand what makes Denton unique 03:02:07.040 --> 03:02:10.600 is that especially in the planning department, 03:02:10.600 --> 03:02:15.580 everybody's there because they love the city, right? 03:02:15.580 --> 03:02:18.740 Which is not the case everywhere. 03:02:18.740 --> 03:02:21.680 And so we get not only competent professionals 03:02:21.680 --> 03:02:24.660 who continue to develop their craft, 03:02:24.660 --> 03:02:26.000 but we get people who care. 03:02:26.000 --> 03:02:31.360 And that comes from them aspiring 03:02:31.360 --> 03:02:33.040 to those types of positions, 03:02:33.040 --> 03:02:36.560 but it also comes with supportive management from above. 03:02:36.560 --> 03:02:41.560 And I thank you for continuing that tradition. 03:02:41.560 --> 03:02:49.000 - The one thing I would like to add is, 03:02:49.000 --> 03:02:50.600 and sorry, I was getting emotional 03:02:50.600 --> 03:02:53.000 'cause my team, they just bring me wheat to the knees 03:02:53.000 --> 03:02:53.960 on a regular basis. 03:02:53.960 --> 03:02:57.240 But I really wish for this commission 03:02:57.240 --> 03:03:01.000 and I look forward to seeing the continued successes 03:03:01.000 --> 03:03:03.000 that you all have here for the city of Denton 03:03:03.000 --> 03:03:04.960 in working alongside the staff. 03:03:05.960 --> 03:03:07.440 I would say, I told you earlier, 03:03:07.440 --> 03:03:08.640 they're extremely competent. 03:03:08.640 --> 03:03:10.120 Trust them in the professional advice 03:03:10.120 --> 03:03:11.600 that they're giving you to help you 03:03:11.600 --> 03:03:13.600 through these challenging decisions. 03:03:13.600 --> 03:03:15.200 They are all rock stars. 03:03:15.200 --> 03:03:17.440 They are so super knowledgeable 03:03:17.440 --> 03:03:19.040 when it comes to planning related issues 03:03:19.040 --> 03:03:20.680 and they truly understand our community. 03:03:20.680 --> 03:03:23.560 And to your point, we've had the opportunity, 03:03:23.560 --> 03:03:27.800 I have some of my staff who have been here 10 years 03:03:27.800 --> 03:03:30.480 when I think of Haley and Sean and Julie. 03:03:30.480 --> 03:03:33.880 And then I know Angie's close behind with her experience 03:03:33.880 --> 03:03:36.640 and her longevity here in Denton. 03:03:36.640 --> 03:03:40.280 You know, we decided to grow some of our talent from within. 03:03:40.280 --> 03:03:44.320 And so you see that with Erin and Bryce and Nellie 03:03:44.320 --> 03:03:47.960 and Jimmy and Matt that we've added to our team. 03:03:47.960 --> 03:03:49.760 You know, Mia and the growth that she's had 03:03:49.760 --> 03:03:51.600 and Cameron doing double duty 03:03:51.600 --> 03:03:52.520 or probably triple duty 03:03:52.520 --> 03:03:55.320 as our historic preservation officer. 03:03:55.320 --> 03:03:58.480 In addition to working on the Hunter Ranch 03:03:58.480 --> 03:04:00.400 or landmark projects now, 03:04:00.400 --> 03:04:02.720 they've all had just tremendous growth. 03:04:02.720 --> 03:04:04.040 But the fact that we've made the decision 03:04:04.040 --> 03:04:05.880 to help grow the team from within, 03:04:05.880 --> 03:04:09.120 we've had the opportunity to promote four people 03:04:09.120 --> 03:04:10.240 in the time that I've been here 03:04:10.240 --> 03:04:11.760 as a result of their commitments 03:04:11.760 --> 03:04:13.520 and the growth that they've had. 03:04:13.520 --> 03:04:17.680 And to me, that's truly a compliment to their efforts 03:04:17.680 --> 03:04:20.200 and the work that they've done here for the city 03:04:20.200 --> 03:04:21.760 and the professional growth that they've had. 03:04:21.760 --> 03:04:24.440 So again, I wish you all continued success. 03:04:24.440 --> 03:04:26.520 I know this commission will do great things 03:04:26.520 --> 03:04:29.600 and it's been my pleasure being able 03:04:29.600 --> 03:04:31.640 to serve alongside this commission 03:04:31.640 --> 03:04:33.920 as well as some of our prior commissioners as well 03:04:33.920 --> 03:04:35.160 and including city council 03:04:35.160 --> 03:04:37.440 because they've provided the support 03:04:37.440 --> 03:04:39.120 that we've needed in our city management team 03:04:39.120 --> 03:04:41.160 to be able to do some of the successes that we've had. 03:04:41.160 --> 03:04:42.000 So thank you. 03:04:42.000 --> 03:04:45.240 - Just quickly. 03:04:45.240 --> 03:04:46.320 - Yeah, Commissioner McDuff. 03:04:46.320 --> 03:04:48.480 - Just quickly, I know we all wanna give you 03:04:48.480 --> 03:04:50.120 some good words here, Tina, 03:04:50.120 --> 03:04:53.200 to leave the great city of Denton. 03:04:53.200 --> 03:04:56.640 But I just wanna thank you personally for welcoming me. 03:04:56.640 --> 03:05:00.240 This was not something that I campaigned for or asked about, 03:05:00.240 --> 03:05:02.800 but my friend that was our mayor pro tem 03:05:02.800 --> 03:05:07.800 had just insisted that my name be put forward. 03:05:07.800 --> 03:05:09.120 And I love him dearly. 03:05:09.120 --> 03:05:10.320 He's been so good to me. 03:05:10.320 --> 03:05:14.400 But I was just really impressed with your acumen 03:05:14.400 --> 03:05:15.840 and education and training 03:05:15.840 --> 03:05:17.560 and commitment to learning and sharing. 03:05:17.560 --> 03:05:20.760 You spent a lot of time with me at the beginning. 03:05:20.760 --> 03:05:22.680 I just appreciated that so much. 03:05:22.680 --> 03:05:25.580 And your extreme sense of professionalism, 03:05:25.580 --> 03:05:29.720 professionalism, and we just wanna make sure 03:05:29.720 --> 03:05:32.160 that you know we wish you good luck and Godspeed. 03:05:32.160 --> 03:05:36.400 - Commissioner Laird. 03:05:36.400 --> 03:05:37.960 - I would also like to thank you 03:05:37.960 --> 03:05:39.700 for your service to the city. 03:05:39.700 --> 03:05:45.280 Coming from having served on another PNZ 03:05:45.280 --> 03:05:47.020 in another smaller community, 03:05:47.020 --> 03:05:49.520 while I had a little bit of background, 03:05:49.520 --> 03:05:52.320 you were definitely there to kinda help usher me in 03:05:52.320 --> 03:05:56.080 and give me the city of Denton rope 03:05:56.080 --> 03:05:58.680 so that I knew what I was doing here. 03:05:58.680 --> 03:06:01.040 So thank you for that and for your patience. 03:06:01.040 --> 03:06:02.880 Going to miss you a whole bunch, 03:06:02.880 --> 03:06:06.920 but I wish you the best of luck in your new role. 03:06:06.920 --> 03:06:09.580 And I'm sure being closer to home will be. 03:06:09.580 --> 03:06:14.920 So you'll be so excited for that. 03:06:14.920 --> 03:06:19.600 - Commissioner Rees. 03:06:19.600 --> 03:06:21.640 - I know, I guess I get to be the last one. 03:06:21.640 --> 03:06:23.760 So like you said, Tina, 03:06:23.760 --> 03:06:26.880 obviously Eric is the most tenured here. 03:06:26.880 --> 03:06:31.060 I think I've known you now for seven months maybe. 03:06:31.060 --> 03:06:34.960 And having a municipal background, 03:06:34.960 --> 03:06:36.400 I've worked with a lot of planners, 03:06:36.400 --> 03:06:39.440 and particularly being an engineer, 03:06:39.440 --> 03:06:42.420 I can tell you I always don't see eye to eye with planners. 03:06:42.420 --> 03:06:48.800 But I have been truly impressed with your level of knowledge 03:06:48.800 --> 03:06:50.280 and your professionalism. 03:06:50.280 --> 03:06:53.320 And I think you've been a true asset to the city of Denton. 03:06:53.320 --> 03:06:55.560 I can see that you've been a true asset to your team. 03:06:55.560 --> 03:06:58.240 Just whenever you look at how teams function, 03:06:58.240 --> 03:07:01.100 you can see that your team is a good team. 03:07:01.100 --> 03:07:03.120 And that says a lot to you as a leader, 03:07:03.120 --> 03:07:05.760 and also says a lot to you as how you grow your team. 03:07:05.760 --> 03:07:08.760 And so, yeah, Denton's gonna miss you, 03:07:08.760 --> 03:07:10.480 'cause you are truly an asset. 03:07:10.480 --> 03:07:13.800 Richardson is far better for having you. 03:07:13.800 --> 03:07:15.360 But I just wanted to say that, 03:07:15.360 --> 03:07:17.320 and I think we all agree that we need 03:07:17.320 --> 03:07:18.760 to give you a round of applause. 03:07:18.760 --> 03:07:21.760 (audience applauds) 03:07:26.560 --> 03:07:31.560 - All right, with that, anything to add to the matrix 03:07:31.560 --> 03:07:35.880 from commissioners? 03:07:35.880 --> 03:07:37.080 Not seeing anything? 03:07:37.080 --> 03:07:40.920 Brings us to concluding items. 03:07:40.920 --> 03:07:42.620 Any concluding items? 03:07:42.620 --> 03:07:48.080 I will mention one thing, 03:07:48.080 --> 03:07:49.360 but I'm gonna look at the calendar 03:07:49.360 --> 03:07:50.960 so I don't say the wrong day. 03:07:54.960 --> 03:07:59.520 I believe, yes. 03:07:59.520 --> 03:08:04.720 Given our work session several weeks ago 03:08:04.720 --> 03:08:08.740 on the Southeast Denton actions that are going forward, 03:08:08.740 --> 03:08:12.440 the Southeast Denton Neighborhood Association 03:08:12.440 --> 03:08:16.080 does have a regular meeting once a month 03:08:16.080 --> 03:08:18.500 on the last Monday at 6 p.m. 03:08:18.500 --> 03:08:23.640 At the Recreation Center. 03:08:24.520 --> 03:08:26.800 I can't remember which one, what it's called. 03:08:26.800 --> 03:08:29.440 MLK Recreation Center down there on Moore Street. 03:08:29.440 --> 03:08:33.520 So be aware that it's 6 p.m. 03:08:33.520 --> 03:08:34.680 That's an opportunity. 03:08:34.680 --> 03:08:39.000 Our staff who are great often attend 03:08:39.000 --> 03:08:41.560 just to give some direction, 03:08:41.560 --> 03:08:44.000 or if there's something going on. 03:08:44.000 --> 03:08:45.240 - And Eric, repeat that again. 03:08:45.240 --> 03:08:47.480 The last Monday of the month? 03:08:47.480 --> 03:08:48.320 - That's correct. 03:08:48.320 --> 03:08:50.480 Last Monday of the month at 6 p.m. 03:08:50.480 --> 03:08:52.840 So it'll be on the 28th this month. 03:08:55.320 --> 03:08:56.160 - Can I add one thing? 03:08:56.160 --> 03:08:57.000 - Yeah. 03:08:57.000 --> 03:08:58.720 - I realized I forgot to give a shout out 03:08:58.720 --> 03:09:01.760 to the lady who hides just on the other side of the dais. 03:09:01.760 --> 03:09:05.440 So Cathy, Cathy has been a tremendous support for me 03:09:05.440 --> 03:09:07.080 in the Planning and Zoning Commission as well. 03:09:07.080 --> 03:09:08.720 So I wanna thank her. 03:09:08.720 --> 03:09:11.600 She keeps me honest and helps keep our team 03:09:11.600 --> 03:09:13.480 functioning very well to make sure we get 03:09:13.480 --> 03:09:14.800 all of our agendas pulled together. 03:09:14.800 --> 03:09:16.520 I know she's been patient sometimes 03:09:16.520 --> 03:09:18.320 when we've been kind of bringing up the rear end 03:09:18.320 --> 03:09:20.280 on getting our agenda packets done. 03:09:20.280 --> 03:09:22.400 So I wanna acknowledge Cathy 03:09:22.400 --> 03:09:24.840 in all of the wonderful things she does 03:09:24.840 --> 03:09:26.680 to be able to help keep the planning team 03:09:26.680 --> 03:09:28.080 also functioning very, very well. 03:09:28.080 --> 03:09:29.520 So thank you for that as well. 03:09:29.520 --> 03:09:36.840 - No other concluding items. 03:09:36.840 --> 03:09:37.800 Thank you all. 03:09:37.800 --> 03:09:42.480 We'll do it again next month at 8.32 p.m. 03:09:42.480 --> 03:09:46.000 We will adjourn this meeting with no objection.