Jun 25, 2025 Economic Development Partnership Board SPECIAL CALLED on 2025-06-25 11:00 AM

as my vice chair or whatever committee so welcome to economic development partnership board it's wednesday june 25th we do have a forum so we will call the meeting order at 1106 now begin with presentations from members of the public if any same guy all right i guess all right we'll now continue with items for consideration we'll now begin with the first item item a which is edp 25-016 consider approval of the economic development partnership board minutes for may 14 2025 i think everybody received those prior to meeting were there any questions or comments motion from rick second from jason all in favor say aye all right opposed motion carries and then i'll move i'll let you hand it off yeah item b so we're going to receive a report now item b apologize everyone for being late edp 25-018 receiver reports for discussion and consider recommending approval to city council regarding an incentive agreement for panel ray a subsidiary of grupo pro max for an ad valorem rebate over five years on real property up to $47,419 in business personal property up to $122,938 a job-based grant of $16,500 on qualified job jobs and a relocation grant of $50,000 under chapter 380 of the local government code for an amount not to exceed $236,857 the chair recognizes britney saltello to present thank you for all those tongue-tied amounts of money you did a great job uh good morning board of directors great to see you we're here to present an overview of panel rays incentive application panel rate is based in monterey mexico and this is a true recruitment project and so those of you may know that we received leads from the state of texas economic development division and that there are specific companies looking for specific site requirements and it's our role to respond to those leads and so christina davis manages our r5 proposals um so she submitted a site in ditten and from there the company ended up wanting to move to ditten so they were still and they're still considering other cities and they do have different advocates but they're pretty much finalizing um a building here but i'm going to pass this christina davis she's a primary project manager and she'll present the presentation and i do want to mention that juan carlos ruiz an engineering manager for panel rate is here as well as elliot christy he's the electrical design chief staff so thank you for being here and they'll be prepared to answer questions right welcome so christina davis business development administrator so as as britney did explain a group of pro max is the parent company of panel ray panel ray and group of chrome max is a family-owned 100 year old business they have 17 manufacturing facilities in house five countries and customers in 40 plus countries and you can find their joint compound and drywall and more than 100 distributors in texas this project will be panel race first compound manufacturing facility in the u.s. they were attracted to denton due to our strategic location and the housing growth in north texas they're considering a 60 000 square foot building for phase one of their expansion into the u.s and this incentive would help to minimize the risk for entering this new market this is a location that they're considering it's in the industrial area south of airport road it's aligned here with the yellow and the pen mark there around the corner shelby lane and dakota lane uh panel rays considering a 60 000 square foot building on shelving land they'll invest 2.7 million and renovating the building to manufacture the joint compound and the improvements will include expansion of the electrical system installation of two silos and manufacturing or covering the area to the east of the building with a 34 000 square foot patio to protect the trucks for their loading and they plan to start manufacturing one shift and they've gone to three shifts and what's interesting about their project is that the construction or the the creation of the joint compound is completely enclosed so review of the actual incentive application they are investing 15 million in capital investment that includes uh purchase of the building 2.7 million will cover improvements so the improvements of the patio the um the silos the electrical that'll be part of the improvements there and then seven million will include improvements of bringing new personal business property so equipment and specialized machines we'll also create 20 new jobs as their incentive the proposed incentive would be 60 percent of real property for five years 60 percent of business personal property for five years job-based grant for 11 qualified jobs for four years and a one-time relocation grant of fifty thousand dollars for total estimated value of 236 857 dollars in the lower table you see the investment in revenue so current valuation of the property is 4.7 million the increased valuation is estimated at 9.7 and the total estimated valuation will be 14.5 million as far as revenue the current city revenue for that property is twenty eight thousand fifty two dollars the increase would be 56 thousand seven hundred eighty six and that's a total revenue of eighty four thousand eight hundred thirty seven this slide outlines the jobs for this project this job um hell ray will create 20 new jobs 10 year 10 and job 10 jobs in year one five year five jobs in year two and five jobs in year four um in the highlighted the color highlighted area identifies the 11 jobs that qualify for the jobs-based grant with a weighted average salary of seventy two thousand seven hundred and thirty three the city's average wage right now is 65 651 this shows the impact the economic impact for this project net benefits less the incentive over 10 years to the city will be six hundred seventeen thousand dollars to the county will be 241 000 to the school district 612 000 the payback period is two years at a rate of return of 3.8 staff recommendation is a 60 rebate on new business and real property taxes for five years for up to 170 357 a job-based grant up to 16 500 expansion grant of 50 000 for total mattress a 236 837 dollars next steps if you approve the incentive would be to go to city council with individual consideration on july 15 do you have any questions for myself or the representatives from pal ray any questions how tall is towers gonna be how tall are the towers gonna be extruding out of the top of the building the silos this oh the silos yes that's a good question maybe or juan carlos or la would you like to the meters and meters 33 this one make sure they want to stick in that oh yeah stick up for the airport i i could add that they did we did already have a pre-application conference meeting with city staff to review um the changes they'd like to make to the to the building and make sure they were properly zoned for things like to to to create here we all see any permitting risk or anything like tceq wise that would potentially slow this project now just no one about what we deal with i'm just curious so i know that staff we met with our environmental services department um and so he recommended contacting tceq but for the most part i think that there shouldn't be a concern but i think they're still in that process right now christina do you want to add on to that yeah we've provided information for air permitting and the timelines um environmental services was part of the pre-application conference and so their product when it goes into the silo it's all transferred clean it's protected and then when it goes through the production line and comes through the top and gets it's all enclosed to protect it because they not only want to protect any dust from going out to the environment they want to protect their product as well it's a room it's an unloading room the closure of the total unloading zone from the truck it's a pneumatic vacuum from the truck to the silo and the height of the silo can match and we can redesign only to match the correct height of the existing building that's another way that we can make make i'm not i mean i'm i know you all engineer that i'm more concerned about the do you have a permit by rule or something that makes sure it doesn't delay your project that you can get any kind of tceq or just underneath any kind of limit for that it depends on the product i mean i know we paint stuff so we have to worry about that so we don't have an external issue that can that end the day the point is there any asbestos material used any asbestos material no sir no sir main main material is calcium carbonate and water almost 90 percent of the product that is dry wood mode is is made of calcium carbonate powder and and water and the final product is a mix of it so it's not dusty or it's like a somewhat so what we posted their um side visit they showed us a video of their facilities in mexico and they're really they look really clean and i expect the same thing at the facility um we did gosh i forgot my thought go ahead sorry oh they have some of the largest contracts with the largest construction suppliers in the country so even the largest homeowners would be our horton as well do we know the impact that we think this will have to miami as far as revenue um they did not meet the guidelines for growth rider so it's lower impact okay how long is the lease they'll be purchasing the building purchasing that's good great did i see your presentation 20 positions we're looking at are the qualified but there's over subsequent below that um so over the over the five-year period of the grant four years they'll be hiring staff so year one two and four and out of those 20 positions 11 followed by for the grant gotcha um is there projections beyond that as far as just job opportunities for the future that the company has looked beyond in the five years we've just we've discussed expansion with them and adding additional lines of products um at this location but apparently we're just looking at phase one which is one line of the gypsum production but they would like to expand here for their second and third lines uh maybe want to elaborate on carlos yes we will start with one line of drywall more and expected to have a metal stock line and the following year and having in a five-year period two more lines four metal stock lines and one slitter machine that got the steel four dots uh metal stock lines so that is the that is the plan we're going to use number is just for one drywall more time those expansions to fit in that facility yes it marks in the same uh 60 000 square feet area two questions how did they or us get familiar with them how did it come into the economic development referral yeah so we received this lead from the state of texas um so what happens is when companies are looking to move to texas in general they'll contact the state economic development division and they'll wait list out and say we need um x not as our fleet we need when we buy a lease when we move close to airport uh we receive those leads which i'll in my direct support i'll show you where we capture the that data um and then christina and myself evaluate if we're going to respond or not and so if we have an available site then obviously we want to submit that so that's how we um first yes and then we they contacted us that was in january they contacted us in uh march for a site visit so jamey came in and uh he owes to them as well we came in met with him toward around the building uh met with our development services teams our workforce teams as well and that's when they decided that they didn't want to move forward with it the same question on the in a purchase situation or an existing building situation when you're doing your return on investment are we just looking at the incremental tax revenue or the full revenue look over a 10 year term so we have a head slide i think on this one we can show you um i'm saying like right now the property is already on the tax rolls so are we just in the return aspect of it are we just doing that as a baseline and everything above or are we doing the full amount correct we we evaluate the improvements we also value with the new pp because what happens i think the current owner um had a tenant and so they're both leaving right now so the tenant is going to take their equipment so then therefore they're we're going to if we don't refill that um uh the lease then we'll leave that on the vpp because they're taking their equipment and so with them coming on board then we're retaining the vpp but also probably adding a little bit more this is personal property okay and get that for equipment i'm talking about the real estate the real estate is going to be there either way on the textiles are we including that in return or are we not we are with improvements though because that will be an additional ad valorem valuation added the third column of the bottom table the estimated increase in valuation that's should be entered into the model correct right so the first line here is the current land value but we didn't add any increase to that on the current land we we captured the improvements in the vpp yes you have thank you okay sorry when does the new business property property tax basement kick in that's uh it goes up to what 125 000 i don't know what it is now but it's going up at some point that was just passed when does that kick in and and when do we update our formulas yes that's a good question i think any of those new legislative items will come into effect maybe in september right scott i'm asking our attorneys yeah yeah september first i'm not sure what the what the amount of the exemption i'm not sure either i want to say for i've heard small business i don't know if it's all for commercial property or not i'll have to do some more research i'll do some digging what's the new law it's uh it goes up to 125 000 that you can uh you can get waived on your probably using the wrong vernacular but you can get waived on your taxes and then if you're if your business property tax property taxes are under 125 000 total you don't even have to file but it's above that seven million to six million a 25 if my understanding is right and if to her point if it applies universally to all business property personal property tax but i do believe it does but that's outside looking in is that a safe deal yes so just so he signed it but then there's there's a two steps i guess there's the governor signing it and i think that makes it active current whatever timeline and then there's where it gets codified into the uh that i yeah the i'm gonna say chart because that's the vernacular i'm used to them most bills passing the state legislator take back september the first unless specifically later got there you go some of them have the rider that if it's passed by more than two-thirds or whatever it comes to thank them unless so yeah i would just forward it for you i just want to because if we're planning to out years it certainly ended applies i just want to make sure that's captured and we're we're tracking all right any other questions for the gentleman from panel rate any other questions about this topic if not can i get a motion to recommend approval uh for recommendation to city council for approval for an incentive agreement for panel rate as presented i got a motion from lee ramsey and i got a second by leo did i give you a second leo morales on a second any further discussion on this item just want to say thank you for being here appreciate it thank you thank you all all right hearing no other further discussion can i ask that question yeah how many how many different cities areas did you look at in texas well not in texas but in another in other states okay in texas uh we're looking for the big from the beginning for them okay and what what drew you to then what made you take them in texas we supply south of texas from another plants so this market uh we don't cover we don't have coverage of this market in north texas or oklahoma or arkansas so that's why denton is a is the perfect site and logistic wise manufacturing wise and obviously uh the building that we were looking for thank you all right hearing no other discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed say nay hearing none motion passes so we've got how many i got i got to have do i got to say the numbers don't want us to do that okay that was unanimous all right it's unanimous thanks again thank you all again welcome all right next we're going to move to our working session i'll call item a adp 25-020 receiving various staff reports first i'm going to hear about water infrastructure from you good morning i'm kyle pentel uh planning and engineering division manager for water utilities and i'm filling in for steven gay today um so i'm here today to provide some insight into how the utility plans for and addresses infrastructure need uh for the btj so as a water rights holder the city of denton interacts with the regency water planning committee our involvement hopes ensure that the regional water plan reflects a broad range of interest and accurately addresses water needs across the region so as far as the utility service area currently the utility serves around 171 000 people through 45 000 utility service connections and our current water usage ranges from 18 to 42 million gallons per day that 18 number is what we utilize in winter which doesn't take into account any outdoor water and irrigation and the 42 million gallons per day are the demands that we see on average throughout the summer so that more utilities is prioritizing its uh extraterritorial jurisdiction so the area outside the city limits but within the planning authority to safeguard its watershed we safeguard the watershed by following addressing the following risks within our planning efforts so water risks within the tga include supply and so do we have enough water to accommodate our projected growth dependence on wells how do the plan wells impact the groundwater table what happens if and when they dry up our water quality what sources or development cause can contamination within our surface waters some wastewater risks include the proliferation of packaged plants so how do these plants are these plants managed and regulated and to ensure that they don't cause any downstream impact our stream and river water quality so how do the varying wastewater discharges affect our local streams and rivers and our reuse supplies how do we maintain our water rights by through a robust reuse program by maintaining access to that so a common entity that we work with in the etj is the municipal utility district or mud muds are created to help provide infrastructure to a specific development area and can annex into the city following the repayment of bond funding so this is a map and list showing the muds that we're either working with or that we're aware of within the etj so you can see there's heavy development interest in areas surrounding them so how ultimately how will this impact city water utility so accounting for the known muds by build up the city's population will be increased by roughly 110 000 people that's roughly a 65 percent increase compared to today's population so that increase directly influences the amount of infrastructure that the utility must plan for and construct so this infrastructure can either be localized or regionalized if the water utility doesn't address this on a regional basis then we need to deal with the widespread impacts of localization so this map shows the existing and planned regional water reclamation plants in green the existing local water reclamation plants in white and the current proposed local water reclamation plants in yellow and blue depending on their phase of development so compared to the surface water intakes shown in purple near each lake you can see that localized approach to wastewater treatment introduces many variables that can have regional impacts on our water column since everything flows downstream this chart is a comparison of the regional versus local approach approach it is just one of the tools that we use in our planning efforts when we approach our infrastructure like that so denton implemented the mud policy in 2022 which sets goals and conditions for the creation and operation of mugs it provides a framework for development agreements and establishes preferences for utility and emergency services services open spaces financial stability and future annexations this benefits the city by creating a full service utility that aids in the development of future infrastructure streamlines our development agreements by ensuring that mugs are built to the city standard for infrastructure which helps with the future annexation this is a basin map outlining the individual drainage basins within the city and the location for the existing and proposed water reclamation facilities in our as you can see we have three drainage basins which necessitates the construction of three regional water reclamation facilities currently we have our existing facility is shown with the concrete basin green and then the two proposed facilities are associated with the northern and western drainage bases these are the main drivers behind our utility planning effort so the infrastructure plan is shown here pulled from the 2023 wastewater master plan which was adopted last year and the 2024 water master plan which is set to be adopted in august of this year the wastewater master plan is currently posted on the water utility website website and the water master plan will also be adopted these maps are they follow a common color coding system throughout the master plans with everything shown in red to be planned to be constructed within the zero to five year time frame everything in blue to be constructed in the five to ten year and everything in green to be constructed within the 25 year time frame and figured i'd open it up to any questions on infrastructure development i'll just make a comment is you know i'm i'm really happy we do a lot of development a lot of different cities and the city of denton i believe is doing a pretty good job before thinking with the muds and i'm a mud fan right because i think it helps with future infrastructure costs and over time and and the city i think has done a good job looking at how instead of just saying no we're washing our hands because if they're going to happen because they're out of the city's control i think the city then has done a good job of saying okay let's go ahead and figure out how to expand and get utilities here because it's a bigger picture than no we don't want muds like some cities doing just don't do anything red instead they say okay how long term we know we're investing in our city what does this look like so that we can get those utilities to those areas so that we're looking at that considering that looking at the pros and cons i think it's positive so thank you for bringing that now for most people it doesn't happen fast enough but it takes time right so i think it's very good we're looking at what areas of our city needs to grow and one question i do have when prioritizing which lines go in first is part of that looking at economic development of what's the most potential growth in what areas does that put a priority of what projects we do first so the economic impact is to prioritize through the development services group they investigate that from the utility we're primarily focused on the conveyance infrastructure so what it takes to get water there it takes to transport wastewater away our water rights do we have enough water to serve how are we looking how are we going to manage this growth and then our treatment capacity so those are our primary drivers on water and wastewater master plan i would just say you know looking at our growth patterns you know because water and sewer drive growth patterns ultimately right looking at the growth patterns and what vacant land that is not affected by floodplain not affected by you know access and those things and meet with economic development to try to come together and say okay if we put these lines in in these areas we think our return is going to be quicker because of the growth happening in those areas and we're kind of doing that with the mud districts because we have to but even future projects i think it would be good to work with the city planning and then to prioritize those projects so that we can get a quicker return on these investments so that would just be a recommendation and where do we want the city to grow because we put water and sewer that's where it's going to grow you know and so i think it would be good to collaborate between economic development seated in planning and water utilities which i understand is hard to get everybody get but to say where are we going to spend the city dollars because if we put them in the right spots the return is going to be way faster western boulevard is the perfect example you know you put a water line in out there in a road through it turns and boom i mean it blew up so that would just be my only add it's make that problem great yeah thank you any other questions oh rick several years ago city owned the water rights to cooper lake up by salt springs and we sold that to urban number of years ago of course they had to build the pipeline to put it in louisville we could still use that water as if we owned it there and then put it back in louisville and use it again are we looking for those kind of opportunities still further away right now we're looking for water rights and we'll reconfirm them so our two primary sources are surface water through lake louisville and surface water through lake ray roberts we're the minority water rights holders at allison both of those lakes but uh that's that's a big part of our planning is putting these putting the growth protections together and then really determining how much how far we can save the conservation and where we can expand so we're looking at it we're turning over every rock right now i hope we find some way and i know that you know tom hart rule was very involved in securing the water rights through the years he and ray roberts but i don't think the city really understands how important that was in 1950 yes but we do not we need to honor those two people did we get anything out of uh i know uh opportunity and all that did they have all the rights for the boat ark lake and all the new ones up north i know that was before my time here negotiation discussions on that i know that we are looking through what was written down right now to see where the water rights are jimmy do you have a question on the with economic development where development is planning to go where do you see the biggest gaps in water to service those areas in the next five years from a timing of when you think new lines are going to come online where's the kind of the hot spot of need and that's kind of what whenever i brought up having a plan for waters try to find out what excess capacity is in certain areas and then where the demand are you kind of overlay those do you have any idea of where that is so that obviously people on council can try to see if there's resources we can put toward that to try to fix it in the next five years appropriate answer i'm sorry we're an appropriate answer not really no um so so really the focus right now is on the north uh kind of the north section the clear creek basin if you go back here um the clear creek basin so working in the hickory creek um basin we're working with 100 100 development and we're pursuing different methods of getting the infrastructure out there the clear we're uh we're pursuing for wastewater our clear creek interceptor uh which is currently in design which would open up that whole basin the entire blue uh good a good section of it through center the basin to wastewater service and then the uh 60 inch extension from the ray roberts water treatment plant or water yeah water treatment plant at the south end of ray roberts along to the west there that would uh open up as well that's our we're really looking to partner with mugs to partner you know to partner um with developers to accelerate that infrastructure growth so i'm saying capacity is probably an issue in uh hunter and coal ranch probably is handling the southern part of the hickory creek that's helping to open it up so working with hunter and coal ranch bringing those those interceptor lines for your sewer and bringing the water lines out there helps to open up the rest of that area even the farther north the far north area of hickory creek um not as much the far north but there are we are showing a loop on the water here in red we're showing a 30 inch loop to come around that we're working with smaller mugs what where's that at it's uh on the right hand map map on the north side that 30 inch um okay comes north 380 and then crosses 380 over south of chrome okay so on that previous map the clear creek extends further north up to apply milo kind of that area yeah the water so water and wastewater we approach a little bit differently so with water since it's all pressure-based we don't have to worry about drainage basins so water is i don't want to say easier to extend but you don't have the gravity drainage considerations so that's more of a sig-wide approach with our wastewater we have to really narrow it down to development basically developing developing the trunk line in the basin so that everything else so is there a is there a plane in place right now to kind of tackle that northern whatever base we're talking about this point the one yes yes so that's hickory creek sorry wait a minute you're talking two different things did you say the clear creek's under design or the hickory creek's under design both of them are so the hickory creek the the interceptors through the hickory creek are under design through the hundred college operating agreements with them delivering those projects the clear creek we're in designing through the city because we don't have that anchor yet we have development you know we have constraints up there but we don't have that anchor to pursue so a lot of the businesses that do come like through grittings department development they tend to be airport and then a little bit north of that is what we're looking at at least i've been on for about a year that's what i've kind of picked up so far uh so what is the kind of game plan for that area because it looks like the higher call is going to accomplish more the southern the southern but it stretches all the way up to that north to the northern the way the drainage basin works to university or further okay there's some existing infrastructure out there right now that pulls it what we basically do is we pull out of the hickory creek basin on that northern section just off the crowd we pump it over the concrete basin what the hundred coal interceptors do by by running the interceptor from the low end of hickory creek up it creates a gravity solution which makes it much easier to connect into and so that that'll extend it'll keep extending up all the way to three so on that map that you have with all the the planned stuff in the 30 30 inch that goes all around the loop um what's the timing on all of that to try to get it all like to get in place that's a pretty forward looking graph right yeah so right now the timing on all the with i think on this chart with all the red is within the five year window okay but it's not it's a mixture of development through buds building you know extent extending their off-site improvements to reach their need and then us taking it up after that and city projects so it's a mixed thank you go ahead um similarly the legislation's got to be approved in november one billion dollars a year do you have a feel for what that looks like i guess it goes to the texas water fund do we do we have are we i mean obviously it just passed so forward looking i'd like to know how we get involved in those considering we're pursuing all basically every funding that's on the table through the utility we're pursuing right now so we secured a swift loan from the texas water development board last year for the expansion of the ray roberts water treatment plant we're working with livia so the water infrastructure finance act through the federal government to secure funding for our entire capital plan and then we're also submitting interest to the texas water development board for our other large dollar some plant expansions for pecan creek clear creek and hickory creek got it and i think it would be productive because y'all are doing great work and i can envision another slot that kind of captures these other things we're doing to be kind of proactive and so i'm going to butcher it i'll let you fix it and if i'm not supposed to say it then just tell me i'm not supposed to say it after i'm done but uh but i do want to give credit where credit's due because their team has so there's uh what we're trying to do is prevent people from punching a whole bunch of wells out in the etj and then also there's designated areas where the water flows to say lake grapevine and so the team has reached out in those areas and said hey give us your runoff water and we're going to run it back to like lewisville so we can get lewisville lake tj would get mad at me run it to lewisville lake so that we can get credit for that so here's water that should have gone flowed towards like grapevine that we're capturing sending to lewisville lake to then get credits to be able to retrieve that water so real real creative thinking around that and so every time we can do that that's net positive hundred percent like we never should have been in that game and so they're to their point about getting creative and doing all things uh really really proud of the work they're doing so how does the wells impact that water wells the water wells you said the etj to eliminate water yeah so how does that impact well because they can punch down so they can build a house only thing they need water for is fire stations and so we're trying to prevent them from punching a bunch of wells because the water table is shrinking as is and there's no way to monitor that no way to kind of control that and so what you try to do is get them on city water so that we can control the flows we can kind of monitor we can do all those things and then they also convey over land or towers etc etc so there's a trade-off and there's a monitoring component so really it's that just to make sure we can have a feel for what the water table is doing and control that versus just the wild west of people just drilling and because ultimately what happens is their well fails and then it's a real big problem in the middle of nowhere there's not a property rights issue on that no well basically what is you know you got bolivar water out there you got mustang water you got these guys so they may have the ccn for that area and if they have the ccn for that area we can go cut a deal with them and then put a put a well and tower in and be about 1200 feet apart for the north texas water district i think is right and so then you can if they get the ccn so then you got all these wells out in the counties which is not necessarily a bad thing but i believe overall long term it's better for a city that be using surface water than underground storage water there will always be a balance of both but if you can get with the city's looking ahead that mud district's going to spend like right now if you go to volatile water they're going to charge you like 93 hundred dollars a tap for a capital recovery fee and they're going to go drill a well and they're going to maintain that well and supply but really what it does overall for the underground storage you don't really they have pretty good guesses right but they don't really know if we can think ahead like we're doing and say bolivar will you do a joint agreement or give up your ccns to the city of denton and we can use surface water for that it's way easier to regulate that as far as how much usage is we do both in our development sometimes we go drill wells sometimes we work with the city but if i'm paying 93 hundred dollars a tap and i can go apply those funds and the city's willing to apply funds and we can do a joint project long term that's what i say long-term thinking if the city will put a little bit of money in and the developers put money in to expand this infrastructure and the mud district can reimburse that over time and the city gets it back over time that's a much better in my opinion long-term approach probably some cities say we're not spending the dollar it's in their atj but the state laws changed city dentons not necessarily taking that approach because who knows that's gonna change one day you know it's not gonna be that way so this is different than like if i'm 20 acres out west of town and i want to put a water well for my house that's different that's what you're talking about right no i'm talking about for subdivision like i'm putting 25 lots in same thing because those are not for an individual like home property right okay right because those are because they're getting so large there are other questions specifically for the water several years ago both dams those bill and rey roberts were on the danger list are you satisfied with coral engineers and unnecessary repairs to keep those from failing i believe so but i haven't looked at that recently with the other folks on the infrastructure and loss of either one of them it'd be devastating i mean what's the ccn he can answer it's who has the right to serve that area that's the certificate of convenience and necessity so basically which utility has the right to serve water or wastewater services in that geographic area you said something about 93 something dollars for a tap well it's what is the capital recovery fee for some of these rural water districts it's not city of denton it's if oliver if you're in their ccn they're going to charge you so much per tap to be able to get the drill their wells and this has to do with water because you know if we can apply those funds to expansion you know to a city water that's much better use of those funds one quick question is back to economic development and i know we got to move on all right we got one less question one last question but again like i think we should definitely be working with planning and look at what the zoning is in that area because you look at that clear creek up there for the wastewater the zoning up there is five acre lots and so i think that's something we've got to do we got to look at because there's not a lot of sewer required for five acre lots obviously uh interesting topic to everybody so appreciate your uh coming and talking to the board thank you again questions there for for that particular topic i'm gonna call uh for britney to give our director thank you thank you so much all right so it was a slower month for us but it's just in this presentation we have a new newsletter for downtown called a dip downtown low down um i know it's really exciting see some of your faces pretty cool title uh so this is an upgrade from an email that staff was sending to the business owners and programmers downtown about resources road closures whatever is going on around the city and a mainstream program um so chris and matilda worked hard on putting this newsletter newsletter together we released the news on social media and i think people are going to find it so pretty good um important update so this presentation was planned for two weeks ago for the council meeting so some of it's back dated but twilight tunes is officially over fortunately but um christen is still highly involved with the main street program and the energy twilight tunes and um didn't june teeth just passed so we missed the date unfortunately but we wanted to celebrate that um our partner visits collaboration staff into the stokes flint conference and the edp quarterly forum and we attended the unt jim mcnaught institute for logistics research um presentation farhan but our transportation manager and myself presented um our department information to the faculty at unt in this department really to discuss research and development um collaboration opportunities and from this meeting um farhan is now collaborating with unt on a u.s department of transportation grant proposal that he submitted today actually it's called an advanced air mobility grant and so this will allow us if we are able to get a vertiport this will allow us funding up to if rewarded two million dollars for a vertiport so that was a good uh meeting following business town hall so christen put together our uh this meeting to collaborate with the downtown business owners um so as you can see in the bottom right picture um there's a few business owners quite a few business owners actually that are involved um with halloween and they're looking at creative ideas to celebrate during the month of october um and we also did in the public libraries reference solutions training so here are our may recruitment stats we currently have 27 active projects in the pipeline um out of the pipeline that's a little over close to 4 000 potential jobs and 4.5 billion in capital investment um we had during the month of may we had two new leads um one that was from a broker and one was direct and then we had one incentive applications and so the way that we um title or kind of define leads is those are serious prospects are wanting to move in because everyone has a different definition so that's why sometimes it seems low we get general requests all the time that we're starting to track as well so we report that out um so under the active product stage we have quite a few in the lead stage that will stay there um we have five that are waiting application but they have told us that they do want to submit an incentive application so those are in the queue um one that we're processing right now and then um two that are in the standard negotiation process um and three that are in the board approval so we didn't have any recruitment business during the month of may and we actually lost two leads um so one did not make the incentive qualifications for our top of the rating policy um they already had applied for a commercial permit alterations permit um so they're already here we plan to send them off to the chamber because they want a grand opening ribbon cutting so um that's a really good company i don't know if i'm allowed to share it but yet but um unfortunately we consider a lead loss because they were not going to move forward with themselves um the other one chose another location i believe they chose the city of lewisville um they were looking at a site a warehouse space in denton and if you talk to the broker you'll get a different story from what their business owner said so but they ultimately chose lewisville but we actually had processed their incentive proposal we had it on the uh cube agenda to propose to uup but they ended up choosing lewisville for the downtown stats uh christen have four business for change and expansion visits and six downtown reinvestment grant leads and that's specifically for through tours one um and then she we held the tours one meeting in may and the board approved the tours one annual report um and then we also had a public improvement district informal staff report that was released so those you may recall that we met with property owners in the downtown area to discuss the potential of creating a public improvement district and many of the property owners turned it down they didn't want to move forward so we released an official release so if you're curious to see that we can send it to you as well so here's where we track our request for information stats and these are the leads from the state and the dallas regional chamber this is how we got panel right um so for the month of may we received five we submitted seven we did not submit on one uh probably because we meet some criteria um but we didn't have any lead conversions um so from the dallas regional chamber we received two and three from the governor's office um so within that pipeline it's a total of 47.5 million dollars in average capital investment and 270 average jobs um so for the year the calendar year we submitted total 35 RFIs so sometimes those numbers don't add up as well for submitted into uh and no submittal because the due dates sometimes go into a different month so those numbers may not add up to the total RFIs received music and film till then so this is the presentation for may so we have two permit issues in april and one in may even though this just happened this weekend the state film incentive passed that's 300 million every session or 125 million each year for the next 10 years for a total of 1.5 billion in incentives for film in the state of texas you may recall american idol was on the square we had a big parade concert um and then council member melchor is not here anymore but his uh documentary uh premiered at thin line film festival and then a local family documentary was nominated for an emmy recently uh and then finally i've just been working on some film marketing knowing that this incentive might pass uh you may have gotten an email from me saying submit your location if you're a property owner or if you want to uh we have a database of different locations on the state's website so a film production could come and make like a rental agreement with you basically to use your home or your business or whatever your property that you own um so i've been making some marketing materials to distribute that to location professionals and then lastly um economic development and discovery went on a music venue tour to harvest house and then also to steve's wine bar as their uh music venue that received the texas music incubator we made last year thank you any cool sites to share let us know the last home permit that came in they were looking for a 1930 style ranch house right um and so we were like we're gonna find one so we called a few folks i don't know if we ever found one but there's they're always looking for unique sites all right council updates um council approved the mayday manufacturing consent and proposal so congratulations board um and the catalyst fund item pass that was jill jester's uh two minute pitch so that ended up passing last council meeting as well so congratulations board events we held a foreign trades on webinar yesterday and we had 12 attendees total including staff i think there were like five seven company representatives um from what i hear it went well and um i attended the bio international conference in boston last week um that was a new experience for me i went alongside the dallas regional chamber who hosted the booth that was their booth in the picture um in several cities in the dfw went as well as let's see dallas plano desoto and arlington um so we got a few leads and i wanted to really explore if that's this is going to be opportunity for didn't so unt has a biomedical engineering degree program that um we can definitely collaborate on but there may be potential to explore creating wet lab space for some of the research and development or just general companies in the life science space um in denton uh desoto and plano they're both building spec office space and lab space for life sciences and so um i would like for our board to get to a spot where we're kind of creating and this vision for the future of denton and what we want to specialize in because i think that will create a separate set of jobs that we're used to seeing and we got a proclamation for steve edgar former chairman um we wanted to celebrate him and his efforts i think he served on the board for six six years six years um so just so you know brian you'll get to have a proclamation of city council too but we understand that this is a time consuming for you it's a lot to come out every month but we really do support we appreciate all of your efforts and that is it any questions on the house fund that was passed that council there was a discussion here first at a lesser percentage or 100 what was the i think we decided 100 we're gonna put erica uh basically that it will be evaluated annually correct budget process that it could be a portion of all but the first year 100 or whatever it would be up to the council to decide that we will present the full value and then they can decide that it's based on budget appropriations and councils review and will be every year okay so when's the first review of that we did it for 10 years but i did it for 11 with ordinance we could do it to make sure we could do it this year on the unt and the labs is there have been any leads conversations of is it just a thought right now or is there actually some substance to possibly move that direction so the murphy center it's the unt's entrepreneur center they have indicated that they have startups originating at unt's their research division that would like wet lab space so um you know i learned a lot of well i learned a lot i don't know if i can repeat it because i probably already forgot but um i think there's opportunity there and we're going to explore so jll i think they're building it's a commercial brokers firm they're building in plano right now so i want to pick their brand see if that's potential for um didn't because if so then we can definitely maybe recruit some of those companies into but we had it earlier this year we had a medical device manufacturer um that toured didn't and that came through their dallas reno chamber so that kind of got us thinking well maybe this is an avenue that we should explore i do think we have stronger industries that we should focus on uh but i think this is additional that we can capitalize in the future stronger the question is if you pivot and you already have the foundational structure how quickly can you pivot how quickly can you attract it so i don't know much about the wet labs and what the requirements are but uh just just i guess focusing very little bit i'm saying what is there and how far up you got so i like it i mean what yeah i think kind of what you're getting i'll give you an example the word we have a headwind here that's pretty significant for for manufacturing and that's that we're in a zero attainment epa zone being in dfw area so that means that if you're considered a major emitter so over 25 tons of knocks per year that you are going to have to be subject to federal review which could be a three to six year process so if you're trying to get businesses in here that could fall under federal review that goes to the that goes to the nation it goes to the epa so one of the things like the opportunities we got to talk about is you know a wet lab space they wouldn't fall into that category so that might be something we want to look at as we're exploring because that environmental cap is only going to get lower so two years ago it was 50 tons per year now it's 25 so they they are strategic yeah very we have to be strategic about what types of that's kind of why i asked the question in in lat like how much emissions or are you going to grow to because that's going to actually limit your amount of growth that you can do just by the fact that you're in dfw because because if we highlight low emissions it still gives us the opportunity of growth on other industries that are not as forgiving on that because we load it lightly at the beginning yes always sandbag at the end for some of the other competitors in this this area they're already maxed out they're having to manage that at a whole different level we have the opportunity to look at and say okay it might not be in our line of sight right now but is a great strategy for collecting now and later i like it we cannot we can definitely add it to our strategy so we still want to hold a whole day a board retreat we um as you know you may see in the news that the city's having financial concerns or re-availing in our operating budget um so i think that we can probably move forward with a board retreat uh we want to get a facilitator facilitator and to lead it so but these are great ideas and i think i've never considered that constraint brian and leo but i think the retreat would be a good by the way to discuss this i think i think we kind of need to dfw and houston areas are non-attainment epa areas for the state of texas so we just need to be sensitive to that as we recruit and hopefully i mean to be honest when that comes from the state they should hopefully be pushing things to us that don't violate that but we don't need to be spending a lot of bandwidth in my opinion recruiting someone who at the end of the day will say the tcqs and go well we really want you in denton but it's going to take six years so they're going to go somewhere else so it's just something that we need to be cognitive that's helpful all right um are you going to cover for future agenda items sure yes just things not here yeah all right so we may potentially have two projects to bring them before you project loom and project footprint and potentially project recharged um we will discuss the rfi overview which will detail some of the leads that we are getting here from the state and the drc and i think this would be a great opportunity to expand on brian's statement on which leads should we be responding to um and that is those two major items right now okay so um we're going to move on to concluding items then does the board have any other business to discuss for suggestions on what they wish to hear in the next meeting jeremy all right i would like for staff to bring back an update on the utilities rates etc it's on the agenda as they're supposed to be yeah but it's to be determined like i'm saying we're having a conversation now and i don't know what your utility bill is but i bet just more than the one person that's driving the conversation in his house so we probably want to have some some input from somebody that has more than 2000 square feet so yes i was this is a this is a hot topic for peter bill so and you're using less energy and paying more money for it right now well in embassy suites and all the but you know so what i'm saying is hear me a 2000 square foot house guy is driving a conversation versus all the big users because we don't hear from you right i hear from you but we gotta we gotta so i need to raise the awareness to say hey don't don't miss this opportunity to level set and and maybe us refocus on those that have more than 2000 square feet driving conversations being active in those conversations think to your point and also as you look at these impact fees that's a that's you go build a new factory now you're paying higher rates and then to get your permit you're paying higher rates you gotta gotta look at that globally because that's a those are they're about to be really big numbers and i think we got to look at that as a whole utility package when they also the deposits yeah i think was what the original original special was based on deposits uh but yeah needs to be discovered needs to be expanded include all of this so if there's any if if i would say and i don't know i think we had that conversation in july but i'm happy to say hey we're having this conversation in july but we're gonna you know send it to the to the board or send something out to the board earlier at least so they know if we're hard set for that july conversation i don't know when that comes back i'm just saying i'm passionate about making sure we get equitable responses versus the offer also christina when you coordinate a schedule right now we currently don't have a july meeting scheduled but we may need a special call meeting and we will reach out to you if that's the case to push some of these projects forward a little bit sooner but for sure in august we'll put it on the agenda and i'm not having just to be clear i'm not advocating for extra meetings so we good but but you certainly can send an email saying hey city council is doing these things as a follow-up to the you have everyone's email and then that that does the same thing i just want people to be aware of and be active in those conversations all right sounds good on the topic of those low admissions as we're looking at the board retreat possibly or even in the future can we identify where those type of industries are and you just start looking just i mean this is not necessarily pressing us to get to the end of it just start taking in that direction and going hey you know what are what are the low hanging fruit for how to attend this position because i love their answer and i'm glad jeremy asked what brought you here and and it's effectively uniquely placed for a huge distribution and so we can we can target more efficiently some of those industries and if we come with the right mindset we can have a great strategy okay we have uh so per about energy do we have consensus on that i think everybody kind of agree i know i would agree to put that on a future item and then uh yeah for more board retreat i think probably britney i need to get with you and get my environmental engineer kind of educated up with you i think that's pretty complicated topic i think that would be a blast it'll be fun i'll expose you to that so funny stories of corpus christi i had to dive into that industry but they're actually in air attainment and they have all the refineries there isn't that crazy well it's a problem it's an issue it's for us so we got to be smart because you can go right up the road to gainsville and do the same thing that you do at peterville without putting any emissions controls in literally 30 to 40 minutes up the road so it's it's an issue for them something we need to be strategic about okay um so with no other future agenda items uh or anything further to discuss um we got to go on to the next items because you are a member of the edpb you're also member of the ters2 board please stay after this we do have a ters2 special call meeting which take approximately 30 minutes uh just a reminder our next edpb meeting is scheduled to be on august 13th at 11 please let staff know if you're not able to attend the meeting and submit your notification of absence now online anyone got to get closing items i would like to say that next meeting in august is jeremy mike's birthday so we could get cake for that meeting as well you need to hear about the budget short call all right we'll close this meeting out then and we can open up with our you want to we can adjourn this meeting and we've got 15 minutes till officially the next