WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.900 Good afternoon, welcome to the planning and zoning work session at 5 or 6 p.m. this Wednesday. 00:00:12.900 --> 00:00:20.960 Our first order of business is comments on the consent agenda from members of the public. 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:26.920 If there's anybody wishing to speak, not seeing anybody. 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:35.720 Our next item will be clarifications for the committee on the agenda, so any questions 00:00:35.720 --> 00:00:38.840 on the consent agenda tonight? 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:44.200 I guess that is our agenda tonight, fairly short regular meeting. 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:46.240 Any questions? 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:52.160 Okay, I guess not. 00:00:52.160 --> 00:00:54.560 That brings us to our work sessions. 00:00:54.560 --> 00:01:03.640 The first one, I'm sorry I don't have the number, is it, I, sorry, PZ25-109 for the 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.960 live work overlay that you've been working on. 00:01:07.960 --> 00:01:15.920 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, senior planner. 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:21.560 And this item, give me a second to get set up here. 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:26.120 This item, as stated in the caption, or the purpose of this evening's discussion is to 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:31.640 implement the live work overlay district action item of the southeastern area plan. 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:35.180 Specifically, I'm going to try to present what staff has been considering proposing 00:01:35.180 --> 00:01:43.520 for this section of the overlay district with regard to the base zoning and land use permissions 00:01:43.520 --> 00:01:47.920 and then conclude with some discussion to see if we've missed something, to see if the 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:52.720 body concurs with what staff is considering, and to make sure that we're balancing the 00:01:52.720 --> 00:01:56.600 good planning with sort of what we heard from the community. 00:01:56.600 --> 00:02:01.680 So towards that effort, what I have on this agenda for this presentation is a little recap 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:03.320 of the southeastern area plan. 00:02:03.320 --> 00:02:08.880 For most of you, it might be a little introduction, just as a reminder though for others of the 00:02:08.880 --> 00:02:12.240 overarching purpose of the discussion. 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:18.800 And then we will jump into some of the topics to make sure we all have the same sort of 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:24.240 background knowledge and understanding of what a live work unit is, as well as recapping 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.960 sort of what an overlay district is. 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:31.960 And then the meat of the presentation, I think, will be similar to what we see with zoning 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:37.440 cases where I'll talk through the summary of the subject area, as well as some of those 00:02:37.440 --> 00:02:42.520 existing land use conditions and zoning conditions, what staff is considering, and then of course 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.360 we'll follow with that discussion with some specific questions. 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:52.000 So buckle up and let's get into it. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:57.840 So as some of you may recall, the southeastern area plan was adopted last year, last July, 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:03.200 after about 18 months of analysis and local community engagement. 00:03:03.200 --> 00:03:10.040 And the plan is a community-driven plan with six key goals listed there. 00:03:10.040 --> 00:03:15.400 All goals come with a number of implementable action items, and in the near future staff 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:20.300 will bring forward a presentation sort of updating you on the progress of some of these 00:03:20.300 --> 00:03:21.300 action items. 00:03:21.300 --> 00:03:27.680 But for tonight's discussion, I want you all to keep in mind the sort of last three goals 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:32.960 that I have highlighted there, namely honoring the culture and heritage of southeastern by 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:38.920 reestablishing the historic business hub, investing in economic prosperity by removing 00:03:38.920 --> 00:03:44.680 barriers for home-based businesses, and strengthening neighborhoods and housing affordability by 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:50.760 creating this, of course, live work overlay district that we're discussing this evening. 00:03:50.760 --> 00:03:53.040 So what is a live work unit? 00:03:53.040 --> 00:03:58.740 Well, per our DDC, it is defined here as a dwelling unit containing an integrated living 00:03:58.740 --> 00:04:02.720 and working space in different areas of the unit. 00:04:02.720 --> 00:04:08.360 In order to operate a live work dwelling unit per our code, we require the residential component 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:13.940 not exceed 50% of the total gross floor area, which means the non-residential component 00:04:13.940 --> 00:04:17.960 must occupy 50% or more of the structure. 00:04:17.960 --> 00:04:22.800 The residential component shall be located above or behind the non-residential portion. 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:27.520 Makes sense, sort of maintains that separation from the public realm versus the private realm. 00:04:27.520 --> 00:04:31.640 Additionally, the residential dwelling unit must be a minimum of 400 square feet. 00:04:31.640 --> 00:04:35.920 That's pretty standard as we see across living areas for the city of Denton. 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:41.000 And then finally, non-residential uses shall be owned and operated by a resident in a live 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:47.000 work dwelling unit, something that again could make sense, but what we'll see has been proven 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.040 to be a bit of a challenge to enforce. 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:55.240 So compared to what we typically see with live work land use permissions and requirements 00:04:55.240 --> 00:05:00.160 of other communities, as well as just in general within the city, these standards aren't outlandish. 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:06.440 However, in practice and in terms of providing for the operations of this use to support 00:05:06.440 --> 00:05:11.240 small business opportunities in this area and sort of activate that cohesive mix of 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:17.000 residential and non-residential land uses in the area, we have encountered some challenges, 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:22.260 like I said, that require some either significant investments from the non-residential operators 00:05:22.260 --> 00:05:27.840 or make it just challenging for residential users to actually implement this. 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:33.680 So from the standpoint of protecting neighborhood residences, for example, just live work units 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:39.660 alone, the DDC doesn't specify which non-residential uses are appropriate for how to develop or 00:05:39.660 --> 00:05:43.280 how to develop these uses when adjacent to residential uses. 00:05:43.280 --> 00:05:48.200 So from the standpoint of alleviating barriers for small business owners, the use doesn't 00:05:48.200 --> 00:05:53.120 allow for the opportunity to sort of utilize vacant structures for neighborhood scale commercial 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:57.600 non-residential businesses without also having that living component. 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:02.360 So given this information and then what we have with the overlay, how do we get to a 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:09.840 creative concept of live work that is that coexistence of the residential and non-residential 00:06:09.840 --> 00:06:15.720 land uses to address some of these challenges within that same area? 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:21.080 A few months ago, Sean and Ashley, I believe, came before this body with an overlay or a 00:06:21.080 --> 00:06:25.360 boot camp presentation of what an overlay district is. 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.700 I took this snippet just straight from their presentation. 00:06:28.700 --> 00:06:33.360 So it may look familiar to some, but I think it explains perfectly what an overlay district 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:34.360 is. 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:35.360 Excuse me. 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:42.400 And essentially, it is an additional layer of regulations added to a base zoning district 00:06:42.400 --> 00:06:45.680 intended to promote a specific public purpose. 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:50.240 I think one of the main districts that come to mind is that Denton Square district where 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:55.080 the underlying base zoning is that mixed use downtown zoning district that we have, that 00:06:55.080 --> 00:06:56.240 MD zoning. 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.520 But there are some additional design standards that we place in order to have that similar 00:07:00.520 --> 00:07:03.760 character across the square area. 00:07:03.760 --> 00:07:08.480 Similarly, the question becomes with everything that we have with the Southeast Indian Area 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:13.880 Plan, how can we use this overlay tool and the concept of integrating residential and 00:07:13.880 --> 00:07:19.660 commercial land uses to help the residents fulfill their vision of compatible neighborhood 00:07:19.660 --> 00:07:25.640 scale commercial and opportunities within this area? 00:07:25.640 --> 00:07:32.320 So the subject area itself, the Southeast Indian Area Plan calls out this area highlighted 00:07:32.320 --> 00:07:37.160 in pink here as the overall overlay district area recommended. 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:42.720 Today's discussion will just be over East Prairie Street, that is Section A, or what 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:46.240 staff is considering as Section A of the overlay district. 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:51.800 And analyzing the existing zoning and land use development patterns and future land use 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:56.560 designations within this entire area, we ended up basically sort of subdividing this area 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.680 because of some similarities that these areas have. 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:06.840 So Section B, for example, is mostly undeveloped, that area shown there in orange, mostly vacant 00:08:06.840 --> 00:08:11.960 undeveloped land with a future land use designation of moderate residential. 00:08:11.960 --> 00:08:18.360 And Section C is mostly developed land with a future land use designation of low density 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.360 residential. 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.880 The item that we are discussing today, Section A, has a bit of a mix. 00:08:24.880 --> 00:08:29.520 So it's mostly developed, has some undeveloped properties along the west. 00:08:29.520 --> 00:08:35.400 But as far as the existing land use zoning, we'll get into here in a second, we see a 00:08:35.400 --> 00:08:40.960 mix of R4 and R7, so mostly residential zoning, but there is a future land use designation 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:45.440 of neighborhood mixed use to the north of East Prairie there. 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:49.920 There's also a little bit of moderate residential as well as low density residential. 00:08:49.920 --> 00:08:54.440 So because of these different characteristics, we decided that it might be best to analyze 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:59.360 these areas a bit differently because different land use permissions might be appropriate 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:05.040 for the various areas, depending on some of those underlying conditions. 00:09:05.040 --> 00:09:13.560 Additionally, the context of East Prairie Street in general has changed over time. 00:09:13.560 --> 00:09:18.080 I think as we look at the development of the area over time, we found that types of land 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:25.120 uses and the intensity of activity has varied, but we see a sort of similar development pattern 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:32.000 and mix of that coexistence of residential and non-residential uses along that same street. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:38.360 In fact, as a part of the feedback that we received during the southeast end area plan, 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:44.920 residents recalled a business hub of small black-owned businesses and service provisions 00:09:44.920 --> 00:09:47.160 within this area along East Prairie Street. 00:09:47.160 --> 00:09:51.680 So part of the feedback is that they would like to see that area sort of reestablished 00:09:51.680 --> 00:09:56.240 as that, again, that mix of commercial uses. 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:01.200 These images here give sort of a better idea of the existing context along East Prairie. 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:07.360 The image, I think, at the top or the both images at the top are or show that that sort 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:12.360 of industrial facility adjacent to this area. 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:18.000 The images at the bottom left show the single-family residences along East Prairie. 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.520 And then the image at the bottom right shows some existing non-residential building. 00:10:22.520 --> 00:10:27.000 I believe this one specifically is a barbershop, a personal service establishment. 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:32.120 So you do see that, again, mix of commercial, vacant uses as well as single-family uses. 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:36.720 And then just adjacent to that, we have an industrial or two industrial facilities, one 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:41.920 north of East Prairie and then one west along on the other side of the train tracks. 00:10:41.920 --> 00:10:44.160 So again, that mix exists there. 00:10:44.160 --> 00:10:48.520 And the community wants to be able to take advantage of that and utilize it for additional 00:10:48.520 --> 00:10:50.720 commercial opportunities. 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:58.360 So to make sure that we understand that we heard the vision correctly, staff stays in 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.000 the streets of Southeast Denton. 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:06.600 We truly believe that engagement has become the name of the game for the Southeast Denton 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:07.600 community. 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.680 In addition to the 18 months of community engagement we facilitated during the area 00:11:11.680 --> 00:11:18.160 planning process, we have put a few additional surveys out and we hosted a block party to 00:11:18.160 --> 00:11:20.960 get answers regarding some specific policy questions. 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:27.520 In January, we utilized a people-based economic development survey to understand what the community 00:11:27.520 --> 00:11:31.720 needs as far as business assistance and financial management. 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:37.360 More directly related to the live work overlay, we launched a couple of surveys specifically 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:43.040 listing some of the land uses and asking community members to answer yes or no to the question 00:11:43.040 --> 00:11:47.280 of is this use appropriate for this area or not? 00:11:47.280 --> 00:11:52.400 I think the block party in March was well attended and is where we got the most feedback 00:11:52.400 --> 00:11:57.960 and we heard a pretty decisive call for certain uses. 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:06.080 So what we heard and sort of using school grading systems, staff is focused on those 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:11.600 land uses that received a 70 percent vote or higher, yes, this is appropriate within 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.620 the Southeast Denton area. 00:12:13.620 --> 00:12:17.600 So this means we're taking a hard look at some of the uses shown in green there on that 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.560 table to the left to see how we might allow some of these uses to be permitted within 00:12:21.560 --> 00:12:28.720 this area and that is specifically or namely a passing score for sit-down restaurants, 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:36.760 small retail, personal service, daycare facilities, mobile food courts, business or trade schools, 00:12:36.760 --> 00:12:41.780 professional offices, self-service laundry facilities, bank or financial institutions 00:12:41.780 --> 00:12:46.340 and then medical office. 00:12:46.340 --> 00:12:51.760 But we also had to know that maintaining the residential or we know that maintaining the 00:12:51.760 --> 00:12:55.400 residential character is important for the Southeast Dent residents and we have to sort 00:12:55.400 --> 00:13:01.000 of balance or curtail that information with those permissions with noting the typical 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.460 areas concerned that we hear from the community as well. 00:13:03.460 --> 00:13:07.440 So in addition to those land uses that we heard, yes, the community is in support of 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.960 the land uses in green, we also know that some of the topics of concern that we've heard 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:17.040 from them are like parking, traffic, hours of operation, noise and lighting standards 00:13:17.040 --> 00:13:21.880 and some of how that works for non-residential uses. 00:13:21.880 --> 00:13:27.160 So what staff is actually proposing and considering for this is a base zoning or given all that 00:13:27.160 --> 00:13:33.600 feedback and what we're proposing is a base zoning of R7 for this section of the live 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.360 work overlay. 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.920 We believe the base zoning would match in or align with the existing zoning in the area. 00:13:39.920 --> 00:13:44.680 Again, I recopied the zoning map snippet there to show you that some of those properties 00:13:44.680 --> 00:13:50.620 are R7 currently, some of them are R4 and then when you look at those non-residential 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:55.520 uses that the community called for and what the zoning district that those land uses are 00:13:55.520 --> 00:14:00.360 currently permitted in, we find that half of those uses are either permitted in R7 or 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:04.440 allow for like SUP consideration in R7. 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:09.320 So changing the base zoning to R7 would of course permit those non-residential units 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.840 that the community called for. 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:19.420 Additionally, because R7 is still a residential zoning district, it ensures certain landscape 00:14:19.420 --> 00:14:25.000 and land use and height compatibility buffers are still applicable to protect both the existing 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:30.440 residential uses within our subject area as well as those single-family residential uses 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:34.280 adjacent to our subject area. 00:14:34.280 --> 00:14:39.320 So we have that R7 base zoning district and then why with changing the zoning from R7 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:44.640 why are we still including the overlay, some of the uses the community wants would be permitted 00:14:44.640 --> 00:14:47.240 but why the overlay then? 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:51.920 I think changing the base zoning to R7, like I said, would permit those non-residential 00:14:51.920 --> 00:14:58.860 uses but the overlay itself would be our creative link to allow additional land uses, flex on 00:14:58.860 --> 00:15:03.100 some of those barriers that I mentioned earlier and then impose some additional development 00:15:03.100 --> 00:15:10.080 standards to minimize adverse impacts on the residential uses that are around. 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:16.000 So I think the backup provided to you with today's packet included the standards that 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:21.280 we are considering for building size, hours of operation, noise, screening and parking 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:26.240 so I won't go into those in too much detail but just wanted to list them here to let you 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.680 know that those are some of the things that we are thinking about and see again if we've 00:15:30.680 --> 00:15:34.160 missed anything in that. 00:15:34.160 --> 00:15:40.040 So as for our discussion, I do have some specific questions for you but before we get into those 00:15:40.040 --> 00:15:45.040 questions and Chair I'll open it up to I guess the best format that you'd like to work with 00:15:45.040 --> 00:15:48.560 but before we get to those questions I do want to give you guys a sneak peek into what's 00:15:48.560 --> 00:15:50.480 coming up. 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:55.600 Following this work session we will do some additional door knocking to the property owners 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.200 that live specifically within this area. 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:02.160 They were invited to our block party, our survey has launched online so they have had 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:06.880 access to provide us with feedback up until this point like everyone else but we kind 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:11.120 of want to tailor our approach specifically to ask questions to those property owners 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:17.360 about the rezoning of their property and additional development standards and things like that. 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.180 So we'll come back or we'll do that additional engagement. 00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:25.460 We do plan to be at the Juneteenth Festival with some of this information as well as seeking 00:16:25.460 --> 00:16:31.160 some feedback from the community and then as far as what will come before this body 00:16:31.160 --> 00:16:37.400 there are some other overlay items that Julie will bring forward regarding the residential 00:16:37.400 --> 00:16:44.160 and height overlay of Southeast Denton and then towards the effort of additional actions 00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:49.000 that the Southeast Denton area plan called for we will host some workshops in the fall 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.640 also related to people-based economic development activity. 00:16:52.640 --> 00:16:56.960 So back to our discussion though for tonight's topic. 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:03.000 Chair, I think we could go either one by one asking the questions and opening the floor 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:11.400 that way or I can have this slide up and sort of open the floor to anyone who wants to answer. 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:16.400 So you're looking for basically feedback on these four questions? 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:24.040 Okay, let's before we delve in super specifically on those four are there any just general questions 00:17:24.040 --> 00:17:25.280 about information you've seen? 00:17:25.280 --> 00:17:27.800 I know this is new to some members. 00:17:27.800 --> 00:17:34.080 Welcome by the way to our new members Mary Ann McDuff and Commissioner, sorry Sherry 00:17:34.080 --> 00:17:37.320 McDade. 00:17:37.320 --> 00:17:38.800 So any general questions? 00:17:38.800 --> 00:17:39.800 The history? 00:17:39.800 --> 00:17:48.320 The Commissioner put it on. Mia to get the recommendation list that's presented how many 00:17:48.320 --> 00:17:51.360 people were surveyed? 00:17:51.360 --> 00:17:54.160 Quite a few I don't have those numbers exactly but I can get that back up to you. 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:59.640 I think yeah I can I'll have to get that number specifically to you. 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:07.880 We had how many attend the we had quite a few people attend the the block party I think 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:12.400 about 150 attended the block party and majority of those people did participate in the in 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:13.400 the survey. 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:16.400 Okay thank you. 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:17.400 Commissioner Dyer? 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:24.760 Kind of to piggyback um like what percentage of the community is that that is voiced their 00:18:24.760 --> 00:18:30.360 feedback attended these informational meetings like are we seeing the majority of the community 00:18:30.360 --> 00:18:34.080 is giving good response is it less than half? 00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:36.880 It is less than half if I can answer that for sure. 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:42.960 I think we've we've had a challenge with the southeast end area plan and and getting feedback 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:49.360 from that community we've tried quite a few different things to reach out or some are 00:18:49.360 --> 00:18:54.200 non-traditional planning meetings where we we actually try to go to the community like 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:59.080 I mentioned that we'll be at the Juneteenth Festival in Juneteenth being at those events 00:18:59.080 --> 00:19:00.840 and popping up and things like that. 00:19:00.840 --> 00:19:07.120 So I think we we tend to see a good mix of people um but I personally would like to have 00:19:07.120 --> 00:19:09.960 much more involvement from from the southeast end area. 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:13.520 Residents and business owners there will they will some of them be really surprised when 00:19:13.520 --> 00:19:20.120 they find out that this is changing or I mean are most people for this so that they can 00:19:20.120 --> 00:19:22.120 get the services that they want? 00:19:22.120 --> 00:19:26.540 Yeah the land or the from the people that we heard again these are the the percentage 00:19:26.540 --> 00:19:30.440 of people who said yes these are the the land uses that they feel are appropriate for this 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:36.080 area so I don't I think that that what we're proposing is sort of in line with with what 00:19:36.080 --> 00:19:42.960 we've heard. 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:44.760 Commissioner McDade. 00:19:44.760 --> 00:19:48.840 Specifically with the property owners do you have an idea of how many property owners there 00:19:48.840 --> 00:19:53.800 are and the feedback from specifically the property owners? 00:19:53.800 --> 00:19:58.800 Not within the survey or from the survey results we will be able to get that and have that 00:19:58.800 --> 00:20:03.520 more defined I'm hoping with the door knocking that we do coming up where again we're tailoring 00:20:03.520 --> 00:20:07.720 specific questions for the property owners are hoping to speak to them on a one-on-one 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:13.520 basis and I do know within this section of the area there's 13 32 parcels half of which 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:21.080 are currently homeowners residences and then the other half are either undeveloped or commercial 00:20:21.080 --> 00:20:23.080 sort of businesses or vacant property. 00:20:23.080 --> 00:20:29.160 So and within this section of the overlay it'll be 17 residences about 32 different 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:34.320 parcels just within this section. 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:35.320 Commissioner McDuff. 00:20:35.320 --> 00:20:43.160 Thank you so glad to be here great job just wondering how you've involved Councilwoman 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:45.600 Vicki Byrd. 00:20:45.600 --> 00:20:51.940 She's been very involved throughout the process the course adoption of the area plan process 00:20:51.940 --> 00:20:57.080 I think she was letting the community drive it for the most part and sort of stood as 00:20:57.080 --> 00:21:01.720 the you know sounding board for us and things of that nature but yeah she's been very involved 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:05.600 in that in that process. 00:21:05.600 --> 00:21:14.440 And also my second question is just as a suggestion I find it sometimes useful to go to MLK Center 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:20.640 and talk to all ages folks but also the American Legion Center. 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:25.480 Yes we have a complete list of like sort of all of the stops that we did on the area plan 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:31.040 tour and a few of most of those are we went to the MLK we set up at some of the after 00:21:31.040 --> 00:21:35.360 school programs and attended some of their programs to talk to the people who attended 00:21:35.360 --> 00:21:40.720 those programs and we found that those two places specifically were that and Fredmore 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:43.920 High School were the good locations for us. 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:49.400 Thank you. 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:53.560 I've just got a couple general questions before we go through these specific direction items 00:21:53.560 --> 00:22:01.880 if you don't mind heard you mentioned parking in the context of an overlay and a live work 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:09.760 slash this this type of area I'm not sure if that captures or defines for me what the 00:22:09.760 --> 00:22:17.680 concerns are right is it we're concerned about unmanaged street parking where people are 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:23.800 are parking in front of driveways is it we're concerned that they won't provide enough off 00:22:23.800 --> 00:22:28.080 street parking that they're that will go one or two blocks away and use street parking 00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:34.380 there is it that hey if you provide as much parking as the code requires and we want a 00:22:34.380 --> 00:22:38.880 restaurant there we can only have two restaurants and that the rest of the land will have to 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:42.360 be turned into a parking with those parking minimums. 00:22:42.360 --> 00:22:46.760 It's a very large just saying parking to me doesn't give me a vision for what we're going 00:22:46.760 --> 00:22:47.760 for. 00:22:47.760 --> 00:22:48.760 Can you help. 00:22:48.760 --> 00:22:49.760 Yeah. 00:22:49.760 --> 00:22:50.760 Drive that. 00:22:50.760 --> 00:22:51.760 Yeah. 00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:54.520 And to be fair a lot of the feedback that we heard is a mix of those it's the you know 00:22:54.520 --> 00:22:58.680 I'm concerned about if we had additional businesses over here where are they going to park it's 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:02.240 I am potentially wanting to start a business but the lots over there are small I'm not 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:05.740 going to be able to meet the minimum parking so I think that would be one of the questions 00:23:05.740 --> 00:23:11.160 that will specifically ask the property owners to kind of see have a better understanding 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:16.780 of what their what their thoughts are on on that but what we are proposing is is somewhere 00:23:16.780 --> 00:23:24.820 between trying to allow for smaller lots to develop those info lots to develop without 00:23:24.820 --> 00:23:28.440 parking being the hindering for that but also trying to make sure that some of those more 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:32.700 intense uses provide adequate parking so that people are parking in front of people's houses 00:23:32.700 --> 00:23:39.440 and stuff like that because the street character of this area is still pretty much residential 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:44.320 and they just we want to be able to allow those sort of mixes to coexist. 00:23:44.320 --> 00:23:45.320 Okay. 00:23:45.320 --> 00:23:46.920 Thank you. 00:23:46.920 --> 00:24:03.280 And then I guess a question in general with these different uses for instance we're calling 00:24:03.280 --> 00:24:12.120 it a live work overlay but my what the DDC allows in R7 is that with an SUP you can have 00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:17.840 small retail with no residential component on a lot for instance and so I'm trying to 00:24:17.840 --> 00:24:28.400 understand in the the vision of the future overlay with R7 base allowances with those 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:33.520 be allowed with or without or only with or only without a residential component does 00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:34.520 that make sense? 00:24:34.520 --> 00:24:38.640 In this section the concept is to allow these non-residential land uses to sort of stand 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:43.840 alone without that residential component and that is specifically for this section of East 00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:47.800 Prairie because of some of the challenges that we see with integrating them into same 00:24:47.800 --> 00:24:52.720 structure as well as like I said the existing conditions and development pattern that we 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:58.680 see in that area it's more of a barrier I think to actually be able to implement the 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:05.720 live work use on that street if you have to have that residential component if that makes 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:06.720 sense. 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.600 Yeah it does. 00:25:08.600 --> 00:25:17.960 If you could flip back to slide five just so I don't misspeak, it was like the second 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:22.760 or third one, next one, there you go. 00:25:22.760 --> 00:25:29.000 So I saw the bullet here about building code and DDC requiring a lot of investment for 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.120 older structures, understand that. 00:25:33.120 --> 00:25:41.200 Do we know where the language for the 2019 DDC for the live work definition came from 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:47.040 requiring less than 50 percent of a residential component because and I'll tell you just so 00:25:47.040 --> 00:25:51.160 you know where I'm going with that is when I read the building code definitions under 00:25:51.160 --> 00:26:00.320 IRC that created a special carve out and a way of making a building that's under the 00:26:00.320 --> 00:26:05.780 residential code but has some commercial component to it still being able to be financed and 00:26:05.780 --> 00:26:12.400 lended to and insured through traditional means right is the inverse of that and so 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:18.320 I've just always been confused why we chose that instead of the other right because if 00:26:18.320 --> 00:26:24.440 anything it would seem like this would be more intensive because you could build a 3,000 00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:31.800 square foot store with a 400 square foot apartment on back 50 percent right yeah yeah just so 00:26:31.800 --> 00:26:37.280 if you have any information on that or history or anything I'm looking to our person who 00:26:37.280 --> 00:26:44.040 was here we have that in our code I do not believe so I don't specifically recall anything 00:26:44.040 --> 00:26:48.920 on that we can certainly research it and see if we can find out for you but of all the 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.440 topics that were heavily discussed during adoption of the code I don't recall that being 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:57.280 one of them maybe a carryover from 2000 it is it is a similar definition from the the 00:26:57.280 --> 00:27:02.300 2002 code yeah oh okay I didn't realize it was carried over I thought that was a new 00:27:02.300 --> 00:27:06.680 thing that was added because it was adopted into the building code so that's that's good 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:13.600 to know yeah okay okay now if you can thank you for doing that for my my behavior so now 00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:21.320 any other questions before we go through these four specific things Commissioner Padron yeah 00:27:21.320 --> 00:27:26.360 of the members of the community that you surveyed did any of them indicate that they wanted 00:27:26.360 --> 00:27:30.320 to bring these businesses like themselves like they're interested in developing these 00:27:30.320 --> 00:27:34.800 businesses or they were more interested in having these businesses established in the 00:27:34.800 --> 00:27:40.920 area yeah so a lot of what we've actually learned with and analyzing the live work use 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.760 is that or is from a business that is trying a restaurant that is trying to locate within 00:27:45.760 --> 00:27:51.560 the area they want to be able to sort of exist as that standalone restaurant I think the 00:27:51.560 --> 00:27:56.800 community is called for it they have significant or mass significant support for it and we 00:27:56.800 --> 00:28:02.080 found that they want to go into a building that's not currently being used as a as a 00:28:02.080 --> 00:28:07.480 resident so it's more of a challenge to actually be able to do that and then I think this particular 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.680 building they have to do some significant like fire suppression investment and stuff 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.980 in their building that would just it would make that a challenge for them but we want 00:28:15.980 --> 00:28:20.480 to see those vacant buildings be used and we know that there is someone that wants to 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.480 use them so I think like I said a lot of what we've learned through trying to implement 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:32.400 this have actually come from a user that that is ready to go on that one yeah commissioner 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:42.160 riggs yeah I will say that I think this is great so I think definitely okay thank you 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:47.120 yeah okay so I guess we can go through the the four specific questions here so the first 00:28:47.120 --> 00:28:55.800 one is do we concur with them looking at this northern prairie street section the the overlay 00:28:55.800 --> 00:29:04.960 section a in the backup first is there any concerns with that or or yes and happy to 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:16.320 have any comments I'm not seeing any so I think we're all happy with that somebody speaks 00:29:16.320 --> 00:29:25.780 up second one is as far as the rezoning I believe the main rezoning would be the eastern 00:29:25.780 --> 00:29:30.840 lots that front prairie street maybe r4 now and they would be moving to r7 is that correct 00:29:30.840 --> 00:29:35.840 correct yeah okay most of those are r7 there is an r4 and then there is a corner of of 00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:46.240 mn here that would be zoner seven okay any yeah commissioner dire well that negatively 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:50.960 affect any of the current homes or businesses I mean I mean are they grandfathered into 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:55.600 where they're at now but if something were to sell or a new business wants to come in 00:29:55.600 --> 00:30:00.080 that's when the new zoning would take effect is that how we're seeing this so the zoning 00:30:00.080 --> 00:30:04.240 would take it so it would follow a similar process we'd adopt a zoning this body would 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:08.640 recommend and then council would would approve the overlay district the zoning would take 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:14.120 into go into effect at that point the existing developments would be grandfathered in I will 00:30:14.120 --> 00:30:21.180 say that with most of them being r4 I could go back to see what which ones would be considered 00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:25.960 non-conforming but because r7 is actually a little bit more permissible than r4 and 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:31.520 requires smaller setbacks smaller dimensions and stuff like that I don't anticipate that 00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:36.040 being the actual issue for so it's not going to be a negative for current homeowners or 00:30:36.040 --> 00:30:40.440 current business owners there the only I think the only property that would potentially be 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:45.120 losing some land use permissions would be that mn property to the to the west but that 00:30:45.120 --> 00:30:53.080 is the currently an undeveloped property yeah I guess my question was going to center on 00:30:53.080 --> 00:31:00.720 that western parcel I don't want to put words in staff's mouth because I understand we'll 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:07.080 be coming back for the sub area B I also don't know what the map provisions going to look 00:31:07.080 --> 00:31:12.880 for from a or look like from a floodplain perspective I think most of the properties 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:17.400 south of here have been in the floodplain that's main reason why they've been undeveloped 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:23.640 but we've poured 20 million dollars into PEC 4 since then so maybe that changes a lot so 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:32.920 my question I guess is with our existing requirement that uses take access through a property that's 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:38.580 also zoned for that same use and the fact that the parcel south of that most western 00:31:38.580 --> 00:31:44.640 parcel is a fairly large for this area and then parcel would there be concerns that it 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:50.960 would kind of lock that into unused land instead of somebody who would want a you know something 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:58.340 that would fit you know it's not too far from rubber gloves etc yeah I think so there wouldn't 00:31:58.340 --> 00:32:03.400 be a concern from says point of view because the future lay use designation in that area 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:11.260 is moderate residential so if there is anything of either an increased sort of residential 00:32:11.260 --> 00:32:16.400 or moderate residential density proposal that should be permitted through our seven additionally 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:27.040 I think they would have let's see they should have access further south of here I need to 00:32:27.040 --> 00:32:32.720 pull that from from this part into this parcel yeah I think there's technically separate 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:40.740 parcels now this top one versus this one yeah are these behind the those rectangular parcels 00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:49.840 that front oh these star for yeah yes versus the mn trapezoid behind it right yes if I 00:32:49.840 --> 00:32:56.040 remember my geometry right my mom's gonna hate me I think you are correct yeah the future 00:32:56.040 --> 00:33:01.360 land use designation for the area is moderate residential and then we do as a part of our 00:33:01.360 --> 00:33:04.480 door knocking of course need to have that that conversation with I believe it's the 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:09.560 same property owner that owns that mn property as well as those properties that are all for 00:33:09.560 --> 00:33:16.180 a budding skinner so deeper conversations will need to be had about the potential the 00:33:16.180 --> 00:33:19.840 future developments for that area understood yeah and I think the city actually owns a 00:33:19.840 --> 00:33:23.880 couple of those lots as well the ones further south their floodplain okay floodplain lots 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:35.040 yeah just because I don't remember all the wonderful words on your question slide okay 00:33:35.040 --> 00:33:44.360 so so thoughts or questions on giving direction to move forward with going between or moving 00:33:44.360 --> 00:33:57.180 from a base zoning of r4 on about half of those properties up to r7 so it's consistent 00:33:57.180 --> 00:34:03.760 I guess we just have a an afternoon of people nodding so yeah and and I I think that's that's 00:34:03.760 --> 00:34:08.280 perfectly okay just let's stay sensitive as we have those door knocking conversations 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.680 to see what because it because it kind of is you know it's it's a freight rail corridor 00:34:12.680 --> 00:34:23.640 but it's also within that now I'm not remembering the name of it there's a special district 00:34:23.640 --> 00:34:32.160 arts and creative stuff district that incorporates part of this area nobody's helping me out 00:34:32.160 --> 00:34:41.320 I'm sorry it was applied for probably right at the beginning of COVID something like that 00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:47.760 a Denton downtown Denton district I don't know it I'll look into it it was it was mostly 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:55.400 a thing that we applied for in order to be able to get grant funding but it specifically 00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:04.000 focused funding opportunities toward specific artistic and and those sorts of endeavors 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:09.560 and so because of that I'm just trying to imagine what we might want the that corridor 00:35:09.560 --> 00:35:17.120 with the freight rail to to become right I'll look into that a little bit more okay and 00:35:17.120 --> 00:35:23.440 then I've noted the the MN property looking second I guess number three do we concur with 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.280 the proposed operational restrictions so you mentioned those a little bit I think they 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:37.160 were in the AIS yes so it was primarily some hours of operation right yeah and and some 00:35:37.160 --> 00:35:42.560 noise level things those were the two that looked most different from what we typically 00:35:42.560 --> 00:35:48.600 what we typically see yeah is that a Ferris summary yes yes and those are specifically 00:35:48.600 --> 00:35:52.900 again some of the concerns that we typically hear with sort of non-residential being adjacent 00:35:52.900 --> 00:35:59.520 to residential are those those items so we're trying to make sure that we are addressing 00:35:59.520 --> 00:36:07.240 those for that sort of peaceful coexistence if that makes sense any thoughts or concerns 00:36:07.240 --> 00:36:13.880 about those I think just to make sure everybody understands the the hours of operation for 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:21.120 the non-residential uses were proposed Monday through Thursday 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. and Friday 00:36:21.120 --> 00:36:31.920 to Sunday 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. so okay Commissioner McDade what are the hours for the park the 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:38.960 Fredmore Park down there is it 10 o'clock is the time closing 10 o'clock yes that sounds 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:53.000 that sounds about right okay yes Commissioner McDowell I called you by your first name sorry 00:36:53.000 --> 00:37:02.120 chair I'm still learning that the thing that I remember most about working with this neighborhood 00:37:02.120 --> 00:37:08.880 of southeast it is the noise concerns so I'm glad to see those specified but we're talking 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:17.880 about businesses and the trying and all other activities so I'm glad to see this delineated 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:23.820 yeah we approach that wanting to be fair understanding that there are some industrial loud and louder 00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:29.720 industrial uses as well as a train use in that area but trying to sort of minimize all 00:37:29.720 --> 00:37:36.960 of that in general for the sake of the residences and you know music studios and rubber gloves 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:44.320 all of that too I understand so thank you for bringing that up sure any other thoughts 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:51.360 from this one otherwise I'm assuming that we're all in favor okay sounds good and then 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:56.480 last do we believe there are any items that have not been addressed consistent with the 00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:02.400 southeast and an area plan recommendations as it relates to the the new live work overlay 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:11.560 district any thoughts hopes dreams Commissioner McDuff yes thank you for calling on me again 00:38:11.560 --> 00:38:19.440 I just and this may not be relevant here but the health and safety piece too can you address 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:27.380 that and this might affect the safety issues from a like lighting or what do you what do 00:38:27.380 --> 00:38:37.440 you mean yes regarding lighting is a good one to start any other specific topics that 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:44.360 come to mind regarding health and safety well that's my main one I think and not to dwell 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:51.640 on this but safety issues a police president presence perhaps if we're in there later on 00:38:51.640 --> 00:39:08.440 in the till 10 o'clock anything else Commissioner McDate the neighborhood association they're 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:15.000 setting up is it still setting up southeast in there are they still active we actually 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:27.000 took our live work survey to them first back in there I believe it was there February yes 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:33.560 their February meeting so we try to meet or attend their regular meetings pretty regularly 00:39:33.560 --> 00:39:39.200 and just give any updates and seek any feedback if we're looking for stuff like that yes they're 00:39:39.200 --> 00:39:46.400 very involved okay so I think continuing neighborhood meetings and getting their feedback even if 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:51.520 all this passes and approve that there be continue to be meetings with the neighborhood 00:39:51.520 --> 00:40:01.160 to see how things are going yes ma'am Commissioner Dyer so when you go to these meetings do you 00:40:01.160 --> 00:40:10.040 bring in other people from the city such as your economic development person people with 00:40:10.040 --> 00:40:18.360 like you know fair housing organizations like the chamber of commerce so that way because 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:24.040 I noticed on one of the things you initially talked about was having the residents be the 00:40:24.040 --> 00:40:31.880 owners of these businesses that that was a component to all of this so making sure that 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:38.940 the community is able to truly live and work and own and you know be a part of that community 00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:43.320 where we're helping those become the business owners and become the homeowners especially 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:48.320 if they're you know first time business owners or first time homeowners that they're finding 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:54.080 out the resources that they can tap into to make those things happen are you guys doing 00:40:54.080 --> 00:40:58.680 that at these meetings so we partially so that that people based economic development 00:40:58.680 --> 00:41:02.920 survey that I mentioned we ran that through the southeastern neighborhood association as 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.720 well as had an activity for that at the block party that sort of provided us with some feedback 00:41:07.720 --> 00:41:11.880 that we're actually launching with our community services department the workshops that we 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:24.520 have plan in the fall that'll that'll that's a part of that and then Stoke we also offer 00:41:24.520 --> 00:41:30.880 we also have a implementation or action goal that would provide some financial assistance 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:35.600 for people who are small business owners to be able to utilize the space that Stoke is 00:41:35.600 --> 00:41:41.480 a co-working space with with actually in the bounds of the southeast area plan that we're 00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:47.800 trying to sort of encourage southeast end residents and small business owners to utilize 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:52.880 that space for their small businesses and support for that and I have Keisha our assistant 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:58.040 planning director to provide a little bit more information on that yeah so what hi I'm 00:41:58.040 --> 00:42:03.520 Keisha seriano assistant planning director so we also last fall did some workshops in 00:42:03.520 --> 00:42:08.960 the community it was geared towards southeast I don't think we had many come but it was 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:16.560 for small business one-on-one Stoke has financial assistance to provide opportunities for people 00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:22.640 to come and get space there and also mentoring and coaching so we just finished the flyer 00:42:22.640 --> 00:42:26.600 for that and we'll be getting that out in community we've already had some conversations 00:42:26.600 --> 00:42:31.880 we have an integral form on online and so that'll be opportunity that is what you just 00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:39.080 asked that is one of our concerns we've been trying to work on with community services 00:42:39.080 --> 00:42:43.160 and economic development to make sure on the community during the planning process they 00:42:43.160 --> 00:42:46.040 want these things to happen and we want to make sure we're providing opportunities for 00:42:46.040 --> 00:42:51.560 them to be able to partake in these economic efforts that we're trying to put together 00:42:51.560 --> 00:42:57.720 the people-based economics in the fall it was really really high on small business financial 00:42:57.720 --> 00:43:03.480 this financial management we found out that is a key component even learning how to manage 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.840 your finances so even getting back to the basics so part of those classes in the fall 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.640 will even be that just financial management in addition to homebuyer education as well 00:43:12.640 --> 00:43:21.440 thank you also I don't want to take all the credit for it but our community service or 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:26.400 our code enforcement team and some of our police officers they do just independently 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.560 of planning attend the southeast end neighborhood meetings every once in a while to provide 00:43:30.560 --> 00:43:39.280 updates and make sure that that they're connected to that community as well just a couple points 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:47.360 I have on this last one of other items either in this area or the future two areas just 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:55.400 as we look forward the I kind of mentioned that you know if there's a draft clomer or 00:43:55.400 --> 00:44:00.640 some sort of floodplain activity that's going on I think that would help inform especially 00:44:00.640 --> 00:44:17.920 area B and C the as you're drafting the conditional requirements the plus plus let's think through 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:23.600 sort of what the street frontage is intended to be the thing I'm thinking in particular 00:44:23.600 --> 00:44:29.380 is that in the MN district we require parking to be in the rear of a property I don't believe 00:44:29.380 --> 00:44:37.240 we actually require that in our seven if it's a commercial use and and I don't think these 00:44:37.240 --> 00:44:42.720 neighbors really want an old house to get torn down and the front 150 feet of the lot 00:44:42.720 --> 00:44:51.080 to be a parking lot and and yeah just in general I think I would appreciate some more information 00:44:51.080 --> 00:44:58.240 maybe looking into that live work definition you mentioned that there had been difficulties 00:44:58.240 --> 00:45:05.200 using that classification in applications I think if we aligned the zoning code with 00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:12.240 the building code with the lending documents maybe it'd be easier to do you know maybe 00:45:12.240 --> 00:45:16.800 it doesn't affect this particular outlined area but there are some parcels nearby here 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:24.960 that are r7 already that might be able to to take advantage of that as we have our discussions 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:33.520 with the community too so any other thoughts commissioner mckay is this r7 overlay working 00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:38.760 somewhere else in the city already working this would actually be the first time that 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.680 we've done something similar or similar to this wouldn't be the first overlay but this 00:45:42.680 --> 00:45:47.240 would be the first sort of I think overlay with the the effort of trying to have that 00:45:47.240 --> 00:45:52.680 mix of the live work component and I think there are I think r7 does exist as a base 00:45:52.680 --> 00:45:57.680 zoning and some of the other overlays but this would be the first of a live work type 00:45:57.680 --> 00:46:07.000 of overlay I'm sorry one more is it anything similar to the fry street area similar as 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:14.360 far as it has design standards it has development additional development standards that would 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:20.180 be fitting but overlays are supposed to be sort of unique to the area and the special 00:46:20.180 --> 00:46:27.840 goals and vision for that that area so we are sort of using the the format of an overlay 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.320 that we've used across the city and has worked across the city for this area but I think 00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.320 the components specifically for this one will be will be somewhat unique that something 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:46.560 that we haven't seen within the city before thank you I just want to reiterate Commissioner 00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:50.920 McDade from previous question of just that continued community engagement which I know 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.960 that you mentioned at the very beginning and then also the first point says only as a first 00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:01.000 step as well so I do appreciate the continued engagement with the community I do think that 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.600 sometimes it takes multiple efforts before you can build a relationship and build trust 00:47:05.600 --> 00:47:11.160 so I appreciate that and then additionally what Commissioner Dyer said as well about 00:47:11.160 --> 00:47:16.480 you know developing of the community as the individuals and not just the infrastructure 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:20.400 that's there so I'm really appreciative of that but I'm gonna ask you if you can go to 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:30.600 your slide that listed out the goals I know you said it very early there can you walk 00:47:30.600 --> 00:47:35.960 me through what the definition is for the city for the honor the culture and heritage 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:42.160 what that looks like so that goal has a few different action items including I think one 00:47:42.160 --> 00:47:47.280 is creating a sort of cultural district that one's probably going to take I think the most 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:53.360 hands-on feedback and work from the community it'll take a lot of sort of personal stories 00:47:53.360 --> 00:48:03.240 and things of that have happened within that area but speaking to how that or how our the 00:48:03.240 --> 00:48:07.320 information that we're gathering for the live work overlay sort of feeds into that goal 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:11.480 is specifically related to that historic business hub along East Prairie Street that the community 00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:18.520 remembers and would like to see reestablished there so it's not trying to draw that the 00:48:18.520 --> 00:48:22.760 specific action that we have just listed under one goal which is goal six actually helps 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:33.440 us achieve several of these goals within the southeastern overlay thank you so commissioner 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:38.040 Dyer I want to piggyback on that so when you talk about you know that's a great question 00:48:38.040 --> 00:48:43.120 about how what that actually looks like for the culture and heritage I know there's different 00:48:43.120 --> 00:48:49.880 like commissions and committees within the city and I believe there's one historical 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:54.480 one correct yes would they be involved in something like this was with working with 00:48:54.480 --> 00:49:00.400 the residents of this area to make sure that that's that's happening I think to a degree 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.960 we are lucky to have our historic landmark or historic preservation officer here if she 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:11.160 wants to add but I think to a degree if they to a degree I won't make it I won't put you 00:49:11.160 --> 00:49:15.820 on the spot but to a degree yes they they could and should be involved in that process 00:49:15.820 --> 00:49:20.440 a little bit as far as providing some some feedback from a historic point of view to 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.920 me it almost sounds like in achieving all those six goals and everything as you've walked 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:31.160 through all this there's going to be a very like group effort from lots of different departments 00:49:31.160 --> 00:49:37.060 within the city different commissions and organizing you know and community organizations 00:49:37.060 --> 00:49:46.360 to kind of come together and help you know lift this area up and you know do all you 00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:51.000 know do this overlay and get these businesses and residential areas in there absolutely 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:58.440 yeah and if you're bored the southeast area plan matrix includes under each action and 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.760 has a list of sort of outs either outside or internal organizations and boards that 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.000 we would be working with to help us implement each of those actions and I think some of 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.080 those is that that speak to the cultural heritage part is they're pretty comprehensive it's 00:50:12.080 --> 00:50:21.360 not just definitely not just just planning absolutely only other thing I thought about 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:26.040 was and thank you for bringing us back to this goal slide I think it's it's really 00:50:26.040 --> 00:50:32.520 crucial that we keep focused on the main thing when we talk about the culture and the heritage 00:50:32.520 --> 00:50:38.540 of this area and and the older historical photos and the things that you talk about 00:50:38.540 --> 00:50:45.640 it sounds like that the main thrust is to provide opportunities for businesses that 00:50:45.640 --> 00:50:51.120 are just getting started to kind of start having a physical place and grow from there 00:50:51.120 --> 00:50:58.800 is that a fair yeah okay absolutely I don't know the legality or specifics of how this 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:03.500 would work but I will offer one suggestion that maybe if that's the goal that overlay 00:51:03.500 --> 00:51:15.600 could either set like maximum lot sizes or building scales or something because one future 00:51:15.600 --> 00:51:20.160 that I think would not necessarily honor that culture and heritage as we go through this 00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:27.160 effort to do the rezoning and apply the overlay and then one investor buys up all the lots 00:51:27.160 --> 00:51:33.640 and and creates one basically neighborhood strip mall right and I think that fine-grained 00:51:33.640 --> 00:51:40.040 kind of oh this is the barbershop this is the etc. is more what what the community is 00:51:40.040 --> 00:51:51.280 after so that's a good point all right thank you very much we're excited I think and we 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:59.800 did the next step slide and yes that concludes my presentation thank you all thank you that 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:12.600 will bring us to our second work session of the evening which is PZ 25 - 1 1 3 the discussion 00:52:12.600 --> 00:52:23.240 regarding plotting and and 100% of our agenda tonight is on plotting so this is very applicable 00:52:23.240 --> 00:52:29.000 good evening Aaron Stanley assistant planner so as we go through these boot camp presentations 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:33.160 and for the newer commission members we we often do these boot camp presentations just 00:52:33.160 --> 00:52:39.940 to highlight certain topics that could be relevant to the board so this one tonight 00:52:39.940 --> 00:52:45.440 will be over plotting before we get started I'll go over a quick agenda so first we will 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:51.600 cover some background what is a plot parts of a plot why they even matter then we will 00:52:51.600 --> 00:52:57.640 get into the types of plots that we see in Denton some relevant state law and plot review 00:52:57.640 --> 00:53:04.400 considerations so the first question here is what is a plot a plot is a map that's prepared 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:09.960 by a surveyor in Texas that identifies the boundary of a specific tract of land it looks 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:16.320 very similar to a survey and it's created with a survey but it has some important differences 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:21.480 the plot is a formal instrument of dedication of public land rights and restrictions and 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:26.080 upon approval by the city and execution by the owner so once the owner has signed it 00:53:26.080 --> 00:53:30.620 it is filed with the county clerk for public record so this is the official document versus 00:53:30.620 --> 00:53:36.560 the survey is just something that a private person would have it's not necessarily a formal 00:53:36.560 --> 00:53:46.600 public record document why are plots important so plot state back to earliest earliest civilizations 00:53:46.600 --> 00:53:53.600 in the US the law of the indies in 1573 was direction from the Spanish King on how to 00:53:53.600 --> 00:54:00.400 essentially colonize the lands abroad so that laid out a lot of regulations on how you would 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:06.760 divide up the land and give out the land and it's evolved over time you see in this Texas 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:15.440 land grants from 1834 sort of an evolution of plots and drawing up land land documents 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:21.760 and it's evolved to what we see today it plots give an accurate description of boundaries 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:27.160 and ownership with a graphic illustration they show vital features on the property such 00:54:27.160 --> 00:54:33.720 as natural landmarks the boundaries any easements that are public or private they show land 00:54:33.720 --> 00:54:38.360 rights dedicated for public use such as a park or a utility easement a drainage easement 00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:45.320 access easements and they also provide a written description of meets and bounds based on natural 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:51.680 landmarks or man-made placed stakes monuments iron rods so that you have that exact boundary 00:54:51.680 --> 00:54:57.840 of the property so this is an example of a plot and we'll go through some of the parts 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:03.920 we have a vicinity map that shows where in the city it is plot notes that would highlight 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:11.180 maintenance where you water and sewer would be would come from different notes their approval 00:55:11.180 --> 00:55:18.560 block that the city would sign we have a map legend and then be in the middle we have the 00:55:18.560 --> 00:55:24.120 plot illustration that shows the outline of the property boundaries any lot lines there 00:55:24.120 --> 00:55:29.960 could be one just just one lot or there could be several right-of-way dedication easements 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:36.080 labeling all the lots and blocks and dimensioning all of the property lines we have our legal 00:55:36.080 --> 00:55:42.000 meets and bounds description so the written version of what you see and the certification 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:48.400 and dedication statement that the surveyor and the owners would sign and we have our 00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:54.480 title block with subdivision name size of the tract abstract survey and jurisdiction 00:55:54.480 --> 00:56:01.320 so why would someone plat there's a few reasons so to subdivide the land identify and define 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:07.220 lot boundaries dedicate public land rights you could adjust or abandon a public easement 00:56:07.220 --> 00:56:13.320 building line or lot line if it's an existing plot create illegal lot of record to file 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:18.400 obtain a building permit so many types of development would just require that it is 00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:24.680 plotted so you may need to plot for that purpose or to sell transfer or lease property and 00:56:24.680 --> 00:56:28.700 just to ensure compliance with the debt and development code and all other regulations 00:56:28.700 --> 00:56:34.200 that you have a developable lot often it's a combination of all of these so it's not 00:56:34.200 --> 00:56:41.520 just a single reason so what else requires plats so there is a state regulation that 00:56:41.520 --> 00:56:47.200 a plot is required from the owner who divides the tract of land in two or more parts two 00:56:47.200 --> 00:56:53.640 or more pieces to lay out a subdivision create lots or to get dedicate any property for public 00:56:53.640 --> 00:57:01.400 use the state code the Texas local government code also states that a municipality may adopt 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.440 their own rules governing plots and subdivisions which the debt and development code does for 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:14.600 public safety and welfare so in the debt and development code we do call out that prior 00:57:14.600 --> 00:57:19.440 to subdivision re subdivision or development of land within the city of Denton limits or 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:27.560 the E.T.J. one which you see here E.T.J. one is in blue plotting is required there are 00:57:27.560 --> 00:57:33.280 limited exceptions to when plots are required if you subdivide a parcel that results in 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:37.720 an area greater than five acres and it's not intended to be developed maybe just to be 00:57:37.720 --> 00:57:42.960 sold off or you're just waiting for the future that does not have to be plotted any lot of 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:48.840 record that was established prior to January 1st of 1960 is also exempt so if you're building 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:54.400 on on a property that already had those lot lines before 1960 you don't have to go through 00:57:54.400 --> 00:58:01.000 the formal planning minor additions or expansions construction of accessory fence extra accessory 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:06.720 structures or fences would be exempt separate instrument dedications of easements or right 00:58:06.720 --> 00:58:13.280 of way cemeteries division of land by order of the court change of ownership through inheritance 00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:19.600 or probate of an estate single family construction in the E.T.J. and agricultural uses are also 00:58:19.600 --> 00:58:28.400 exempt so to get into some types of plots that we see preliminary plots are optional 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:33.300 within city limits and prohibited in the E.T.J. because they're optional we don't see as many 00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:40.880 of them this is submitted for the purpose of preliminary review it's not filed with 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:47.080 the Denton county it is still approved by this body but it is sort of it it's preliminary 00:58:47.080 --> 00:58:51.080 so it it has a lot of the same things that a final plot would have but it's not they're 00:58:51.080 --> 00:58:58.320 not quite there we more so see them for sites that are large have multiple phases and to 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:03.440 ensure that they have adequate access infrastructure that the water is going to get to the right 00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:08.720 places at the right time if it is a phase development over many years a lot of that 00:59:08.720 --> 00:59:17.160 criteria is the same that we see for final plots but it is more preliminary the final 00:59:17.160 --> 00:59:22.560 plot is the one that this body sees the most often so that delineates the exact boundaries 00:59:22.560 --> 00:59:29.280 of the property and the very detailed plot once it is approved by this body then it is 00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:36.000 forwarded on to be filed at the Denton county clerk's office and that criteria is basically 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:42.520 that it conforms with if there is a preliminary plot that it would meet those substantially 00:59:42.520 --> 00:59:47.960 meet all requirements of the DDC if they do not meet something they would need that variance 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:56.200 and apply it complies with all technical standards and specifications adopted by the city next 00:59:56.200 --> 01:00:02.560 we have final replat so of replat would be for a property that is already plotted but 01:00:02.560 --> 01:00:07.240 maybe they are combining some of the parts some of the lots or further subdividing the 01:00:07.240 --> 01:00:13.120 property replats must meet the same standards as a final plot however because you're changing 01:00:13.120 --> 01:00:19.360 some things redrawing lot lines which could often realign utilities realign access there's 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:25.600 some special considerations such as making sure that it doesn't affect any recorded easement 01:00:25.600 --> 01:00:31.200 without the approval of that easement holder or limit the city's ability to provide adequate 01:00:31.200 --> 01:00:36.680 access or sufficient utilities doesn't cut off any easements and that also is reviewed 01:00:36.680 --> 01:00:42.560 by staff and then forwarded to this body for approval or denial and filed with the county 01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:53.000 clerk's office we also see a residential replat type so this is a special type of replat if 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:59.640 there are state standards that do designate this as well so if a property was zoned or 01:00:59.640 --> 01:01:04.560 deed restricted to residential development of no more than two residential units per 01:01:04.560 --> 01:01:11.920 lot in the preceding five years they can still be replatted but it has a few more steps so 01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:18.280 both the development code and state law require that if a variance is needed for the replat 01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:22.920 then a public hearing is also required so prior to the plot coming for this body we 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:29.800 would have to notice for a public hearing and have that public hearing before approval 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:36.360 after whether it whether they have a variance or not after approval of any residential replat 01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:41.680 the city must provide written notice to the surrounding property owners otherwise it's 01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:48.080 the same as a replat same approval criteria and they would be also forwarded on to be 01:01:48.080 --> 01:01:56.080 recorded with the county we do have some administratively approved plot types a minor 01:01:56.080 --> 01:02:04.120 plot creates four or fewer lots if it fronts existing streets and no extension of utilities 01:02:04.120 --> 01:02:11.640 is required then that can be administratively approved we also have amending plots so if 01:02:11.640 --> 01:02:16.640 it's just there are state standards setting out what criteria this would meet but if they're 01:02:16.640 --> 01:02:22.000 just adjusting a lot line that doesn't affect anything else on the plot correcting an error 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:26.200 those can be also administratively approved and then we have conveyance plots that would 01:02:26.200 --> 01:02:32.800 just be if your sole purpose is to sell the property you're not looking to dedicate extra 01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:40.320 things or develop get utilities really then you can have a conveyance plot these are staff 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:45.320 approved but if we are recommending that denial that is the case that it would come before 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:54.240 this body and then we have a couple of other types of plots that are very rarely used these 01:02:54.240 --> 01:03:00.640 are treated a bit more like a site plan we don't see them often but when no other preliminary 01:03:00.640 --> 01:03:07.360 plot or final plot is required but the project does have still a need to show sort of a layout 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:12.960 of what is on their property commonly seen with gas wells if it's larger than the whole 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:19.220 lot necessarily then they will have a development plot these are not formally recorded with 01:03:19.220 --> 01:03:23.520 denton county so if you're going through one of the things that does require a plot you 01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:28.920 still will need a finer final plot or a minor plot but this is just kept on hand for staff 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:38.600 to review so approval criteria the state does set out some approval criteria we have very 01:03:38.600 --> 01:03:45.200 limited jurisdiction on denying plots if a plot conforms to the general plan for the 01:03:45.200 --> 01:03:50.360 municipality for all streets if they dedicated the proper amount of right of way and they 01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:57.480 met all of the the zoning district dimensional standards and any other rules that the city 01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:05.320 has has adopted the city has no discretion and must approve approve the plot if any of 01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:12.160 this for this criteria is not met then that is the case that we could deny. 01:04:12.160 --> 01:04:19.000 To go over a few recent bills that would be relevant to this body so the shot clock is 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:26.380 very commonly referenced when we talk about plots in twenty nineteen this was passed so 01:04:26.380 --> 01:04:31.480 prior to twenty nineteen we still had a thirty day rule and we still had to provide comments 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:37.100 to applicants within thirty days of receiving a plot but after september first of twenty 01:04:37.100 --> 01:04:43.480 nineteen we have to act on a plot within thirty days so this means approve or deny or get 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:52.920 an extension have them withdraw something formal so subsequent changes included transitioning 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:58.260 to a very strict submittal schedule with dates to make sure that once they submitted there 01:04:58.260 --> 01:05:04.520 is a PNC date within thirty days to make sure we don't go beyond this eliminated concurrent 01:05:04.520 --> 01:05:09.360 submittals for plot related applications reduced the review time just to make sure that we 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:15.560 can get a plot on the agenda or prepare all the agenda materials and have time to send 01:05:15.560 --> 01:05:21.840 out comments and get it ready and provide code citations so that if we are recommending 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:28.640 denial do we have specific reasons in the code that we can site and with the first shot 01:05:28.640 --> 01:05:33.000 clock bill in twenty nineteen applicants could request a one time extension up to thirty 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:40.520 days after that few years later in september of twenty twenty three we had house bill thirty 01:05:40.520 --> 01:05:46.520 six ninety nine so this changed a few things from the original shot clock bill the thirty 01:05:46.520 --> 01:05:53.480 day approval window started on the day a complete submittal was made to the city city can also 01:05:53.480 --> 01:06:00.640 not condition plot approval on completion of any study or similar requirement multiple 01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:06.040 thirty day extensions could also be requested and that the governing body or municipal planning 01:06:06.040 --> 01:06:10.780 commission may delegate staff the ability to approve approve with conditions or deny 01:06:10.780 --> 01:06:15.800 a plot and this last one is not something the city and has adopted so we still bring 01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:20.280 to planning and zoning commission those final plots if we're recommending denial but that 01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:26.280 is something that could be used in the future and so subsequent changes to house bill thirty 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:31.600 six ninety nine included that we can't request those studies for tree preservation plans 01:06:31.600 --> 01:06:38.080 downstream assessments traffic impact analysis yes a field assessments with the plot so what 01:06:38.080 --> 01:06:42.480 that means is we still review all those things they would most likely just come earlier in 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:46.960 the process which is better we would review them with the site plan so with that zoning 01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:53.960 compliance plan or specific use permit before they get to the plot level plot stage and 01:06:53.960 --> 01:07:00.000 you now see multiple thirty day extensions requested for many plots what some of these 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:05.520 look like so whenever we bring plots before this body and our staff reports you often 01:07:05.520 --> 01:07:12.400 see some comments for things like minimize adverse environmental impacts this approval 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:17.480 criteria would not always be applicable to plots now since we can't request those studies 01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:24.120 with the plot and those are still reviewed but not with the plot you see also comments 01:07:24.120 --> 01:07:32.760 for second extension third will note those in our presentations and our backup materials 01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:38.760 and then just to summarize so the plot review considerations we have all of those criteria 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:43.920 for approval for each plot types most of the time when we're bringing plots before this 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:50.320 body we are recommending approval if we can when there are deficiencies the most common 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:57.080 ones we see are not providing sufficient information based on the checklist which is adopted that 01:07:57.080 --> 01:08:01.760 Denton development code gives authority to adopt the check checklist so these are things 01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:06.720 like just not providing enough information not labeling enough not providing those easement 01:08:06.720 --> 01:08:13.960 citations dedicating sufficient right of way or providing sufficient plot notes so who 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:19.200 will maintain this easement who will maintain this open space lot or it does not meet the 01:08:19.200 --> 01:08:24.000 minimum requirements for subdivisions in the Denton development code so meeting those minimum 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:30.480 lot dimensions flag lot maximum length those would be some of the reasons for recommending 01:08:30.480 --> 01:08:37.240 denial and then this presentation will be shared so these are some helpful links that 01:08:37.240 --> 01:08:44.220 you could utilize and that staff utilizes when we review plots and that is my presentation 01:08:44.220 --> 01:08:56.160 so I will stand for any questions the rousing subject of plotting anybody have any questions 01:08:56.160 --> 01:09:04.120 I have one just so that we're all aware it's my understanding that at least one form of 01:09:04.120 --> 01:09:08.600 the plot I'm not sure whether it's a just a final plot or whether it can also apply 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:18.960 to a preliminary plot vests development rights by whatever code is enforced upon the acceptance 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:24.320 of the plot for a certain period of time is that correct and if so is which which version 01:09:24.320 --> 01:09:32.200 of a plot does that Haley seems like she wants to answer so I'll take that one over hands 01:09:32.200 --> 01:09:36.520 so state statute it's chapter 245 of the local government code if you get bored and want 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:43.920 to give it a quick read establishes that vesting is established for a project at the point 01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:47.760 where they've applied for their first application in a series of applications that is required 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.720 for completion so most often in the city of Denton that's going to be the zoning compliance 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:58.640 plan or the preliminary plot but you have it state statutes complicated but there there's 01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:03.760 a whole list of things that projects are allowed to vest and within the code such as zoning 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.760 standards tree and landscape requirements things of that nature but that starts at the 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:12.560 time they've applied for that first application in the series that it would take to get from 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:21.000 like the concept or the napkin drawing to a building permit okay thank you I don't see 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:28.240 any questions but thank you this is very thorough very important that we you know review the 01:10:28.240 --> 01:10:34.240 items on our agenda because there there are ever once in a while once in a blue moon somebody 01:10:34.240 --> 01:10:39.600 finds a typo or something so whenever you see something like that please just give give 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:44.600 staff an email and they're usually very good at working with the applicant to get those 01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:52.560 things resolved even before the meeting without having to delay it any so all right thank 01:10:52.560 --> 01:11:00.920 you I think that's the the last item on our work session today so we will go in recess 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:10.880 before our our regular session at 630 we'll be back in council chambers thank you good 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:20.120 evening at 6 36 p.m. on May 28th 2025 we will reconvene for our regular meeting with of 01:11:20.120 --> 01:11:24.440 the planning and zoning Commission the city of Denton Texas our first order of business 01:11:24.440 --> 01:11:46.800 is pledge allegiance to the US and Texas flag 01:11:46.800 --> 01:12:09.120 our next item is item 2 a BZ 25008 consider approval of the April 23rd planning and zoning 01:12:09.120 --> 01:12:21.280 meeting minutes do I have a motion Commissioner Padrone move to approve any second yes a second 01:12:21.280 --> 01:12:29.600 from Commissioner Riggs and I'll just call out and we'll go down the line to vote so 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:51.160 Commissioner McDuff Commissioner Riggs approved Commissioner McDade I will be yes approved 01:12:51.160 --> 01:13:00.880 Commissioner Padrone approved and Commissioner Dyer approved thank you so that that passes 01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:12.120 five zero with one abstention that brings us to our consent agenda item 3 a FP 25 0016 01:13:12.120 --> 01:13:24.640 for a final plot for the landmark or amenity center it is recommended approval any questions 01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:35.680 or a motion Commissioner Riggs I'll make a motion to approve any second I will second 01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:46.200 thank you Commissioner Dyer and we'll go down the line as well Commissioner McDuff approved 01:13:46.200 --> 01:13:55.960 Commissioner Riggs approved Commissioner McDade approved Commissioner Padrone approved Commissioner 01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:02.280 Dyer approved and I will be an aye as well that item passes six zero that brings us to 01:14:02.280 --> 01:14:09.640 our planning and zoning Commission project matrix any updates from staff yes you should 01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:14.800 notice some of the longer standing items on your matrix we have assigned tentative dates 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:19.920 for when we'll bring work sessions forward on a handful of those later this summer early 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:28.360 fall with respect to action that council has taken on items that came before this board 01:14:28.360 --> 01:14:34.880 we did have two meetings in May so a handful of items sought or saw final action at council 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:40.800 the rezoning at Teasley in Hunters Creek for the fire station was approved by council similarly 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:45.360 the rezoning of our art R7 on Parker's page for the property that was trying to address 01:14:45.360 --> 01:14:50.560 some non-conformities was also approved as well as finally our commercial animal services 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.760 code amendments that came before this body a couple of times did get approved by council 01:14:54.760 --> 01:15:05.240 as well and those are the only updates I have thank you any anything to add to the matrix 01:15:05.240 --> 01:15:13.200 or questions commissioner Dyer do we have an update on the 195 project yes that will 01:15:13.200 --> 01:15:19.880 be going to council next week for consideration do they still have to have a super majority 01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:24.740 to pass that correct on two accounts because of this body's recommendation as well as the 01:15:24.740 --> 01:15:33.040 percent opposition from the neighboring properties okay any other requests for the matrix or 01:15:33.040 --> 01:15:44.840 anything seeing none that brings us to concluding items any concluding items thank you chair 01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:52.840 I would just like to welcome our summer legal intern Sam Markram he's been an awesome contribution 01:15:52.840 --> 01:16:00.260 to the department already and so I just wanted to shout him out and say thank you and welcome 01:16:00.260 --> 01:16:07.180 thank you we'll do our best to make you have a good experience and and with that welcome 01:16:07.180 --> 01:16:11.800 I'd also like to welcome Commissioner McDade and Commissioner McDuff thank you for joining 01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:21.400 us I think we're eager to to be mostly fully staffed again so that we can make some progress 01:16:21.400 --> 01:16:26.200 little by little and then eventually you see see a lot of changes and for the positive 01:16:26.200 --> 01:16:35.980 so one thing I have is there is a runoff election in district three because of the nobody achieved 01:16:35.980 --> 01:16:40.600 over 50 percent of the votes in the first May election day so that election day is June 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:47.560 seventh and early voting continues is ongoing now through next Tuesday so please participate 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:52.200 if you're in district three and if you're seeing this you're probably engaged enough 01:16:52.200 --> 01:17:00.560 to know if you are any other concluding items seeing none we will adjourn this meeting at 01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:01.840 six forty one p.m. thank you