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 We are at the City of Denton Mobility Committee Wednesday, May 28, 2025, 10 a.m., in the council

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 work session room.

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 We do have a quorum present.

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 We know one member is on his way, council member Beck.

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 Do we have any citizens comment on any of the agenda items?

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 No, I see no.

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 Then we'll move on to our items where individual consideration, AMC 25-021, consider approval

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 of the minutes April 30, 2025.

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 Anybody want to make a motion?

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 They are, as I recall.

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 I will motion they be approved as submitted.

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 Any disagreements?

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 All right.

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 All in favor?

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 Second. B, AMC 25-022, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the Ballard's

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 evaluation.

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 Good morning, Chair and committee members.

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 Farhan Butt, Deputy Director, Transportation Services Division.

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 I'm here to present the final of the series of Ballard evaluation presentations.

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 This is the final presentation where we will conclude and provide the recommendations to

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 this committee.

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 Before we start on the recommendations, there will be a slide for the recap that will cover

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 the importance of Ballard's, how they can significantly save or be lifesaving when it

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 comes to extent between bikers and auto users, and then also it will highlight what the standard

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 dimensions are for the Ballard's.

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 And then later on, we'll have recommendations and then some selected corridors that staff

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 has researched, not all of them, but some corridors have been researched and then others

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 we have in our radar, on our radar, and we will, if needed, we can audit those as well.

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 And we will have future recommendations as well, as a final slide.

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 I'll make this statement first.

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 I know that this particular topic is a significant topic for Dr. Benk, who's absent right now,

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 and I would like for him to be here on this presentation, actually, I know that he's the

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 one that brought this forward, and I didn't recognize that he would be late, but I know

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 that this one is very important to him.

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 And then the other thing is, the next one is the pitch.

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 Is there any way that I can...

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 I was hoping he walked through the door when I turned my head that way.

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 Is there any way that I could be allowed to just change this one in exchange for the pitch

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 to this?

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 Can I do that?

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 I mean, can I recommend that?

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 And it's just a level of respect here, if he would come in the door and see that we're

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 almost nearly pushing the way it's done, I know that he would be very disappointed.

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 I don't want to do that.

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 So we're going to switch around?

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 Would you set up the pitch?

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 Are you ready to pitch?

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 I'm happy to do that, but frankly, I'd like him here for this, for my item as well.

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 So now what do you want me to do?

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 Madam Chair.

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 I mean, I'm trying to be respectful to the guy.

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 Madam Chair, I absolutely understand what you're trying to do.

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 I might make a recommendation, is maybe just go ahead and we can take...

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 Whether it is item D, if you want to start working through some of the staff memorandums,

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 you can kind of talk through that.

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 You did call that first item, so just pull that back and then go ahead and go to item

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 And then we pull back the first item off of, and that would be MC25-0522.

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 We're going to move on to MC25-024 with the understanding that when Dr. Beck arrives,

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 we will stop and then we will come back.

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 Construction project information on Shady Oaks.

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 So again, we provided a response there.

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 It looks like it was just some franchise utility work that was taking place in that parking

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 Since then, that work has been completed.

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 The roadway has been restored back, including the parking lot there.

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 Second one here is the US 380 side path pedestrian impact.

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 So Council Member Rumer had asked about this one.

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 So according to the current schematic that's being reviewed by TxDOT, it will just continue

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 So no impact, no disruption, other than probably a little bit during construction as they're

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 And then I won't read through all of the quarterly construction reports, but we did provide some

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 updates on Bonnebrae 3, 4, 5, 6, Riney Road East, Westgate 5B, McKinney Sidewalks, Ryan

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 So Riney Road East, we have 100% design.

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 Westgate Road is also already been bid.

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 This is the east-west connector to Bronco Way, Denton High School area.

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 So we're hoping that's going to go forward to Council, either that last meeting in June

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 Riney Road East, is that where Riney Road intersects North Elm Street?

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 And so it's essentially from the elementary school to US 77 there at Elm Street.

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 Which couldn't be very much.

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 So we're working with the Bonnebrae 6 contractor to have the section from Bonnebrae to the

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 When would you guesstimate it is complete from Bonnebrae to Elm Street?

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 And we've got to go back to the front with Barheed, with the bollards.

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 Good morning, Chair, and committee members, Farhan Butt, Deputy Director, Transportation

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 Services Division.

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 So we have here on memo items, we have allowed use of TRIP funds, and the exhibit was provided.

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 And if in case of TRIP funds, they are centric to DCTA's strategic plan, and any proposed

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 improvements that we recommend as projects must align with that plan, and also they should

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 be integrating or enhancing DCTA's service in terms of multimodal activities that not

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 only includes pedestrians, but also bicyclists, and location enhancements, stop bus location

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 enhancements, and more.

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 So the detailed memo has been submitted.

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 If there are any questions, I'll be happy to address.

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 And then for increased wrapped equipment box locations, again, the memo has been provided,

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 which talks about -- in details, it talks about how this plan is going.

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 Roughly the cost is $1,500 per unit.

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 And then there is a proposed honorarium that we are recommending to give to the artists.

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 If we add that on, that will be around $1,700 a unit.

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 He had his hand up a little.

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 For Strouds, again, the memo -- for Strouds, again, the memo has been submitted with details

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 But to give a brief account of what Strouds are, they are a combination of streets and

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 roads where they provide access to -- they are multi-lane arterials which provide access

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 to businesses and residential developments right to the lanes.

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 And so the access is -- there are multiple access points, and that makes them a bit risky

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 But from planners and professionals' viewpoint, they are not highly recommended in many places.

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 The reason is that if we are not designing these Strouds correctly, we may put the road

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 So if it is recommended, it is expected that these Strouds are designed correctly by accommodating

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 I think that's going to be helpful for the committee and council going forward, so thank

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 One of the things when I asked for this item that I was trying to get to was that next

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 step that you sort of allude to in the conclusion, that you allude to just now in terms of -- I

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 mean, we certainly in our mobility plan can say, let's avoid Strouds, let's have roads

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 or streets, but we are -- as we expand, they tend to merge in the mobility plan because

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 And also then we get into the conundrum of, okay, now we have a street that has become

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 What are the recommendation -- I guess I was really looking for recommendations from transportation

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 experts like you to how do we mitigate a lot of the risks that you lay out in the documents.

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 So I like the definition, but I would like us to keep this on the radar because what

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 I didn't hear a lot of was -- and it doesn't have to be a per segment definition, but what

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 or in council like DCRC or P&Z or council to create policies that prevent these, and

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 then once we have them, what should we be doing to mitigate?

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 That's what I was -- that sort of the next page of this memorandum would have been delightful.

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 There's a possibility, but they are highly dependent on land use, a mix, and on case

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 So if there are identified corridors as a first step that these could be potentially

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 strode, then we could get into the criteria on what elements treatments would be included.

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 For instance, if there's a strode near the college, and it is heavily used by bikers

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 on the shoulder side, then we need appropriate treatments for that.

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 But on the contrary, if there's a retail, big retail where there's a lot of auto presence,

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 and it is conflicting with pedestrians, then we need treatments accordingly for pedestrians.

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 So it all depends on corridors, and we will have to define these treatments -- they're

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 context sensitive, basically, you know?

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 Corridors to corridor, it depends.

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 Not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good and vice versa, I guess maybe something

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 that would be helpful to various bodies is a delineation of where we have strodes, and

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 whether those strodes have particularly reproducible characteristics like you just described.

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 And I see you, I see you, but I can't pass the baton because only she can do that.

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 But in that way, the various committees and bodies can interact with you and say, okay,

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 this is a, just as you said, this is a retail area of a strode, and we have four strodes

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 that have a retail presence, this is what staff would recommend for that sort of thing.

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 And then later, get into the nitty-gritty of, okay, the razor ranch segment of 380 strode.

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 And I understand that that's going to be further down the pipeline, but in terms of asking

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 questions, setting policy, that's something that the various committees can do.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 In what, did you have, yes, did you have something?

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 I was just going to make a point, and Farhan can correct me on the dates, but I think the

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 next budget year, not this upcoming, we will be looking to do or begin the update for the

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 mobility plan, which I think is an ideal time for us to go through this exercise.

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 And that would kind of put those next steps in place as we look at what we introduced

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 with the previous mobility plan was contact-sensitive roads.

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 This just furthers what that is, and I think addresses Council Member Beck's questions

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 or concerns.

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 No, I love the planning, I'm a little concerned about a year and a half away.

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 I never, I understand that you have to weave together plans and not be reactive, but that

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 feels like we could have a more current timeline for some of the planning elements to be.

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 We'll work through that, and again, that would probably be at least a part of the mobility

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 plan.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you all for giving these definitions of Strode.

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 I'm curious, on the full memo, not this part, but the full memo, we had a list of some of

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 the merits and benefits of Strode's.

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 Until today, I'd never heard any benefits or merits of Strode's, so I'm curious, one,

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 to see what the source material was for that, so you don't have to do that right now.

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 But if you can send it to us after the fact, what that source material was.

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 And then there was another item in that memo that said, "Strode's, if not conceptualized

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 and designed properly, often proved to be an expensive and efficient and dangerous compromise."

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 So I'm curious what a properly designed Strode would look like, and sort of also source material

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 for that, because I haven't seen that before.

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 So I've added three references at the end of the document.

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 These are the main references, one of them is NACTO document.

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 And so we can provide more, if that helps.

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 And as far as the geometric design or design elements of Strode's, as I explained earlier,

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 it is dependent on what type of corridor it is, and what types of treatments needed.

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 As an example, again, if it is a college corridor, then we'll have to look for bicycle treatment.

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 And if we go one step deeper, we'll have to provide buffers for bike lanes, we'll have

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 to provide maybe bollards or blocks, concrete blocks, separation of flow of autos and active

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 transportation.

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 And if it is, on the contrary, retail spot with ATB or Walmart or Target, Super Target,

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 then we'll have to look for pedestrian conflicts with autos exiting and entering these facilities.

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 And not even there, but maybe a block away.

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 Mostly the activities of turning, vehicles turning from these residential neighborhoods

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 is a problem as well.

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 So we can provide more details, but again, it will be example of two or three examples

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 of retail versus college, or if this committee has recommended Strode corridor, we can look

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 into that as well.

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 So the NACDO document, because I've read the NACDO document before, I don't think I've

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 ever seen Strode's recommended in it, I guess.

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 That's where I'm getting a little caught up, because they tend to be, okay, either this

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 is an area that's encouraging walking, biking, and trying to make a safe facility, which

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 usually is not combined with high speeds.

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 The high speeds and lots of street activity is generally what creates the worst crashes.

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 And so I've never seen them, I guess, a thing that you want to do, it's something that you're

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 trying to make safer is generally what I've seen.

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 So I think that's why I'm getting a little confused by the memo.

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 So we can provide the reference.

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 And so one of the document is specifically talking about how improper designing activity.

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 What happens is that if the developments usually follow once the facilities are built or designed.

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 So once this full development scenario happens, by that time, those access points are, I won't

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 call them obsolete, but they are outdated.

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 So that means that facility with their full development is now acting like a Strode, but

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 it was never designed to be a Strode.

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 So that is the dilemma in traffic operations and transportation planning, where a street

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 in the beginning was designed as an arterial, providing some access points to a development

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 versus when the development had full potential with all the retail and commercial and residential

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 activities in there, those access points are, their designs is probably outdated.

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 So I think that's where the recommendation of looking at auditing these designs elements

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 and providing proper treatments come into play.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 I feel like I was in a construction classroom, so thank you for the attention.

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 Yes, ma'am?

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 Hi.

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 Thank you so much for your information.

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 I was curious to know if we have surveyed or engaged the local residents kind of in these

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 corridors and also our business owners to find out how these corridors are currently

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 being used, maybe what issues that they face with how they currently are constructed, and

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 then maybe also what they would want them to become if they're not serving them currently.

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 Typically, that is a process when the developments come, we go to that public engagement process,

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 and on top of that, as Scott mentioned, when we go into the mobility plan stage, we have

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 active transportation element, we have smart mobility element of mobility plan that we

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 are planning to address.

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 So during that stage, we will have a public engagement process and we'll talk about these

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 corridors.

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 So before we get to that point, from what I understand, we're still in the kind of early

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 stages of understanding what these corridors are, defining them as strobes.

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 Would there be a process of asking for engagement from our citizens to find out this is something

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 we really do want to prioritize and have a process for so we can get started maybe on

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 some smaller segments of it, or where are we at on that?

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 The challenge is the fragmented approach would hurt us more than helping us, because imagine

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 if we go to one single corridor and then provide treatments there and are not able to account

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 for other factors that are coming from regional elements, it may backfire, because now we

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 are zooming in and looking at one small segment and trying to provide a treatment when the

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 problem is occurring elsewhere.

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 Those trips that are causing access problems at different retail developments or commercial

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 developments or residential access points are originating elsewhere.

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 They are not originating in that same community.

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 So I think that's why a regional review of strobes, if any possibility, would be a better

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 approach versus us individually going to these smaller segments and trying to address those.

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 I understand that.

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 What I might suggest though is that we've got where I live, I see a lot of elderly people

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 in wheelchairs.

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 I see kids.

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 I see people walking around.

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 I live kind of near Razor Ranch.

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 That need is now -- I totally understand taking a long-term approach, but I also kind of am

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 curious what can we do sooner and even in segmented or kind of quicker projects, even

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 if it's a temporary fix, but at least it's allowing people to get where they want to

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 go safely.

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 I don't know.

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 On the budget side, I'll let Scott talk about it, but I think we have a proposal ready for

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 US 380.

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 We submitted that project to HSIP, TextDOT's HSIP, and it was a pretty good project, well

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 thought, and TextDOT was on board as well, but due to TextDOT's processes, this project

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 was not selected, but there were some other projects selected which were high priority

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 based on the fatalities and crash data.

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 So this is our priority, that US 380 segment that you are talking about is priority to

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 us, and we are looking for venues where we can apply for funding to plan improvements

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 for this project, and hopefully we'll be able to give a good news soon on this.

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 We are proactively applying for funding, as a matter of fact, this will become part of

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 our SS4A application as well that is going in June.

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 Great.

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 Thank you.

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 Well, that was very informal, informational, but I do want to remind the public that you

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 don't know, I'm thinking about McKinney Street, I'm obsessed with McKinney Street, who knew

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 that there would be six or seven apartment complexes that have come up so quickly on

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 that road, and still having infill space that's still out there for that road, and you don't

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 really know what's going to be coming there.

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 So there is a process that everything has to go through before, I mean, we've been raising

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 all kinds of stuff, noise, for McKinney Street, and so we're still in the process, and so

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 that's what will have to be understood by many folks, that things are just not being

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 ignored.

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 It has to come through a process.

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 So we appreciate you all for that.

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 Alright, so then we got the walking audits.

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 Yeah, so walking audits are basically...

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 Oh, I'm sorry, did you have something over there?

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 I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead.

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 So walking audits are basically the preliminary audits at pedestrian locations where there

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 are obvious pedestrian issues that we find, and they are sporadic in nature.

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 For example, if there is one intersection where we have to go and audit the location,

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 we just go and complete the audit by walking in the area, as if we are the pedestrians,

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 and feel for it, and see what improvements are needed.

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 And they're very helpful, they're quite helpful actually.

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 And then if there is a serious conflict detected with autos or other modes, then only then

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 we just go for comprehensive audits.

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 So comprehensive audits would look into full length traffic operation measures, active

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 transportation measures, and then safety measures, and crash data, and all the math that goes

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 into it.

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 So for the walk audit, we just simply walk the area, sometimes neighborhood folks join

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 us in these walks, and I've seen a couple of cases where they would just ask us to join

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 them, and then we will just audit the area and conclude with them what is actually needed

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 as an improvement there.

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 In other cases, we will just...

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 This request would come from citizens, and staff would go and audit those locations.

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 Any questions?

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 Any comments?

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 Any concerns?

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 All right.

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 So upcoming transportation service agenda items.

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 Thank you.

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 Are we still...

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 All right, I guess it goes on to the next page there.

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 There you go.

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 Anybody have any questions?

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 Any comments or concerns about the upcoming transportation service agenda items?

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 We have one question there, Mr. Faughan.

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 Can you just give us a little more color to the Malone University comments there?

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 What's going on there?

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 What are the delays?

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 What are the concerns?

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 Because we just sort of, we put it back in the cloud and left it nebulous.

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 So what's going on there?

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 Which item is it?

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 I can talk about it, but I want to...

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 Prohibiting free right turns at Malone?

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 No right turns.

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 Oh, yeah.

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 So for this item, there was a request to reconsider and see if we are willing to look at it from

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 the viewpoint that if these no turns are needed, these signages are needed, and then also highlighting

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 of these signages.

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 So these two considerations, we are already looking into this and we may...

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 I think there is an audit that is scheduled for this, and we may come with more information

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 in the next meeting.

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 And these were chandras.

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 They were carried forward for the mere fact that during school hours, there were safety

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 concerns with the right turns.

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 So it's just prohibiting the right turns on those three, I think the three...

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 There's three road sections, but just in specific, this West University of Malone is really updating

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 this body.

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 And I think there's a request to highlight those signages as well.

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 So we are considering those options and have more details in the next meeting.

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 Is this something...

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 I know that the way our policies are currently structured, these have to come back to council

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 to get approval.

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 Is that something where we could streamline this to make it easier for transportation

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 services to implement?

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 Because I have it in my four years now, I've never seen us say no to a safety recommendation.

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 So and Vicki and I are now the senior members of council.

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 So is there something that staff would encourage council to visit to streamline?

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 If this recommendation comes from mobility committee, staff could draft something for

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 that and present.

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 But the recommendation has to come from mobility committee.

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 All the recommendation for the streamline process?

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 Yes.

476
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 Yes.

477
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 I would love to maybe...

478
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 I don't think this is the right item.

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 I think legal would check this.

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 But for the right item, I'd love to explore getting that on the matrix to see if that's

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 something that this committee could send a positive recommendation for.

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 If this is a safety positive thing, I'd love to see that be...

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 If we can do the recommendation somehow in this agenda, great.

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 But I defer to legal whether we can do it today or not.

485
00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:17,300
 But yeah, I didn't think so.

486
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:21,660
 So I would love to have that come back at the appropriate time for us to see if that's

487
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:28,180
 a good recommendation to push and maybe get staff's input on that.

488
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:30,220
 Yes, sir.

489
00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:31,740
 The code would have to be updated.

490
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:36,660
 So staff can evaluate if there's anything that we can do to bring forth to this body

491
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:39,160
 just to say this would help to streamline.

492
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,260
 But code changes would be required.

493
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:45,660
 So it's more than what this body can do as an advisory.

494
00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:50,740
 All right.

495
00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:52,860
 Anything else on upcoming transportation services?

496
00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:53,860
 All right.

497
00:32:53,860 --> 00:33:01,820
 It looks like we can move on to upcoming public meetings, upcoming public meetings.

498
00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:05,540
 Oh, okay.

499
00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:11,940
 June the 12th, did you want to say something?

500
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:19,180
 So this is I think construction project maybe set would be...

501
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:20,180
 Thank you.

502
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:23,180
 Thank you, Mr. Betts.

503
00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:24,180
 All right.

504
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:26,220
 So Seth Garcia, Interim Director of Capital Projects.

505
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:29,880
 So yeah, this is just that Westgate Drive reconstruction project that I was speaking

506
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,880
 of earlier.

507
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,060
 This is the east-west connector that's going to connect Bronco Way all the way over to

508
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:38,300
 the 35 northbound side.

509
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:42,300
 So that contract will be going to council here in June.

510
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:46,880
 And so we'll hold that public meeting right after to get started in construction.

511
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,880
 Thank you.

512
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,880
 You bet.

513
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,180
 Anybody have any questions about that?

514
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:53,180
 Okay.

515
00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:58,740
 Well, while you're standing there, if there's not any additional questions in this regard

516
00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:12,540
 for the staff memorandum, then we will go back to BMC25-022, receive a report, and hold

517
00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:21,340
 a discussion regarding the Ballard evaluation.

518
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:28,060
 This is where we were.

519
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:29,780
 Thank you, Chair and committee members.

520
00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:33,460
 Farhan Bhatt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services.

521
00:34:33,460 --> 00:34:39,820
 This is the third presentation on Ballard evaluation topic.

522
00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:43,100
 This is the last of this Ballard evaluation series.

523
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:50,860
 And we'll cover, we have previously covered the types of ballards and then a lot of information

524
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:56,260
 on their standards and locations and potential best practice users.

525
00:34:56,260 --> 00:35:01,540
 And in this case, in this presentation, we will, staff will provide a brief recap in

526
00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:08,860
 one slide and then we'll move forward to recommendations of ballard types that we have recommended

527
00:35:08,860 --> 00:35:12,460
 for City of Denton and then for use in City of Denton.

528
00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:16,380
 And then we'll have selected corridors for implementation that we are recommending based

529
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:27,660
 on our audit and future recommendations including, you know, what types of corridors could further

530
00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:28,660
 be added.

531
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:43,060
 Oh, sorry, I did not realize, I apologize.

532
00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:55,300
 And so, when it comes to ballards, we previously presented through references that, you know,

533
00:35:55,300 --> 00:36:04,540
 they help reduce up to 56% of bike versus auto crashes in, you know, in most cases when

534
00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:07,420
 added to a bike lane in particular.

535
00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:13,980
 And then from standard standpoint, you know, average, if we compare with a standard full-size

536
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:21,100
 truck which is six feet by seven, ballards would stand for a four feet average bike lane

537
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:28,940
 around three to 3.5 feet tall and separating the flow, different flow movements and making

538
00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:36,940
 it safer for the bike users to traverse through to the road.

539
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:45,460
 Based on our research on this topic and best practice use cases that we have already discussed,

540
00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:47,980
 we recommend two different types of ballards.

541
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:55,580
 First is the typical ballards which are, you know, in most cases, they'll have 20 to 40

542
00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:58,060
 feet of intervals, sometimes 50 as well.

543
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:05,100
 And then they are in the form of flexi sticks which are added directly to the streets or

544
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:14,500
 sometimes based on they have a platform that is used to put those on the roads and streets.

545
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:21,380
 And also in case of curved locations or near the intersections, the distance between these

546
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:32,940
 ballards is usually dropped to provide safer traversing opportunity for the bikers.

547
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:37,380
 Typically they are made of plastics but there are other elements that are used as well.

548
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:41,220
 Sometimes they are aluminum ballards as well, they are available in the market.

549
00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:49,620
 And design varies and based on the use and cost or budget available.

550
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:54,660
 Typically the ones we are recommending are made of plastic and then they'll have two

551
00:37:54,660 --> 00:38:00,740
 feet buffer, closer spacing to curves, and then cost would be around 50 per unit, $50

552
00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:01,740
 per unit.

553
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:10,700
 Installation cost would be around additional $25 and total making it to $75 per unit, including

554
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:14,220
 installation cost.

555
00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:20,340
 Second type of, this really is not a ballard but it's a concrete block separator that is

556
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:29,980
 used on, in bike lane buffers, typically, and usually they are sized at eight feet by

557
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:40,460
 one foot dimension and they provide a lot of opportunity for painting them, for accommodating

558
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:45,060
 different types of situations, their size could be changed as well, they could be interlocked.

559
00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:52,620
 And then on top of, if their lighting is an issue due to whatever reason, design reasons,

560
00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:55,820
 we could also put ballards on top of these blocks.

561
00:38:55,820 --> 00:39:01,940
 I've seen some of those in Washington DC, in Boston, they are widely used where they

562
00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:10,500
 are blocks, interlocked, and at some places they are buffered, but they have these flexible

563
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:18,300
 ballards on top of them, highlighting, delineating the safe traversing opportunity for the bikers.

564
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:25,460
 Bulk cost would be $300 per unit and installation cost is around $150 to $200, depending on

565
00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:32,660
 the location, how complex it is, and then depending on project length as well.

566
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:37,500
 With that, we go to the selected corridors for implementation, we have Malone Street

567
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:47,180
 north of US 380 to Amherst Drive, as shown in Exhibit A. Malone Street is a two lane

568
00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:55,740
 collector and it is connecting a residential neighborhood to US 380 or University, and

569
00:39:55,740 --> 00:40:01,940
 the terminal part where it just connects to US 380 provides opportunity to have access

570
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:09,300
 to detail and commercial on both sides actually of US 380.

571
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:15,700
 In this case, we are recommending from Amherst Drive to US 380, which is a critical portion,

572
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:23,380
 that's where the conflicts are happening, because bikers would be trying to reach on

573
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:29,020
 other side or maybe on east or west side of this facility, and that's where we need to

574
00:40:29,020 --> 00:40:33,500
 make sure that we are separating them from the flow movement.

575
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:38,860
 Another one is Georgetown Drive north of US 380 again to Amherst Drive, it's pretty much

576
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:45,100
 same neighborhood, similar conditions, connecting the residential neighborhood to the attractions

577
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:55,940
 on US 380, where bicycle users, they are trying to access these different choices they have,

578
00:40:55,940 --> 00:41:00,940
 and again, we are trying to make sure that the conflicts in the last part of the segment

579
00:41:00,940 --> 00:41:07,060
 of Georgetown Drive is made safer for bikers, because that's where the conflicts are happening,

580
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:11,220
 that's where the turning movements are, that's where the access points are, so all of those

581
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:20,940
 in that traffic chaos, we are trying to provide a safe way for them to cross.

582
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:25,620
 Another corridor, recommended corridor for implementation is Actors Street from US 380

583
00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:32,540
 south to Scripture Street, as shown in Exhibit C. Actors Street is a two-lane collector,

584
00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:39,100
 and again, this, the northern part of Actors Street close to US 380 has some commercial,

585
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:46,940
 some retail, but then, as we go south, all the way to Scripture, it's fairly residential,

586
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:54,540
 and heavily used by bikers, based on our audit, and relatively heavily used by bikers, and

587
00:41:54,540 --> 00:41:59,860
 so that's why we are recommending this as a potential corridor for implementation.

588
00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:07,140
 We have Malone Street south of US 380 again, and all the way to Scripture, that's another

589
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:12,460
 corridor where, close to US 380, it has some retail and commercial activity, but then,

590
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:19,700
 as we go south, it's fairly residential neighborhood, and we are trying to ensure that bikers, while

591
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:24,740
 they traverse through this road, are safe.

592
00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:31,620
 And there's a potential concrete walled roadway candidates, which is Carroll Boulevard, South

593
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:39,660
 Carroll Boulevard, US 380 to Parkway Boulevard, and it's a six-lane primary arterial, and

594
00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:45,940
 so that's why, since it is a primary arterial, so speed is a concern, so the concrete blocks

595
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:53,340
 will not only provide buffers, but they will provide a clear exclusivity to bike lane,

596
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:57,660
 and make the whole travel experience safer for bicyclists.

597
00:42:57,660 --> 00:43:05,580
 There are other future corridors, including Bonny Bray Street, Oak Street, McKinney, Elm,

598
00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:09,980
 and more, more and more corridors we can come up with, but of course, you know, if we go

599
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:15,900
 in further details, we'll have to do audit, we'll have to do those checks before we recommend

600
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:20,100
 them for any treatment.

601
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:29,980
 So for future recommendations, we looked into the whole area as an activity or circle of

602
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:33,980
 activity image.

603
00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:40,660
 So this image that we have drawn, the circles are going beyond the image on purpose.

604
00:43:40,660 --> 00:43:46,380
 The reason is that we understand that there is a residential influence in this community

605
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:54,860
 all over, but then if you see that there's a square, which is a major attractor in off-peak

606
00:43:54,860 --> 00:44:01,180
 hours in particular, then we have TWU, which is also a major attractor during the peak

607
00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:08,700
 hours, then we have UNT on the southeastern side, a major attractor again, and then there's

608
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:16,780
 an elementary school, yes, in the middle right here, Newton Rays Elementary School, and many

609
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:19,860
 other retail opportunities.

610
00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:28,140
 So what it essentially is trying to tell is a story, that story of bicyclists and pedestrians

611
00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:34,500
 that are actively using these uses in this area, in this neighborhood, and so you can

612
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:41,180
 see that it overlaps, these circles are having, and the more overlaps, this central region

613
00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:46,100
 of overlapping areas is basically the activity center.

614
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:51,100
 That's where things are happening, and the larger outer circles, that's where the trips

615
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:57,700
 are originating, and these trips are in many cases, bike, bicycle, and pedestrians.

616
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:02,660
 And so not only these corridors, and you can see that how these green corridors, they are

617
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:09,380
 going right through the heart of these areas, these activity areas.

618
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:17,860
 Staff believe that this entire area needs improvements when it comes to bicycle and

619
00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:25,020
 pedestrians, and as we go, we will continue conducting audits and providing treatments

620
00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:31,020
 when it comes to road safety and bicycle and pedestrian movements.

621
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:35,420
 And most of our audits will be context-sensitive, we'll not just look at the street, but we'll

622
00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:39,380
 look at the uses, where people are actually coming from, where they are going to, where

623
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:44,700
 they are trying to go, and how we can connect them better.

624
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:49,020
 We will also update the active transportation plan, incoming mobility plan update, this element

625
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:50,020
 will be updated.

626
00:45:50,020 --> 00:46:04,580
 I really appreciate the integration of the original request, and then the Malone focus

627
00:46:04,580 --> 00:46:10,220
 that's come around recently, or the Malone University area, so all those are excellent,

628
00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:16,580
 and I really commend the destination planning for tractors, all that.

629
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:24,820
 We have some existing corridors that also provided impetus to comments from the community,

630
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:33,100
 through us, through council, Hector, Parkway, Congress, Old North, some places where we're

631
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:40,700
 using the four inch bollards, and if you could talk a little bit about what's the plan for

632
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:46,780
 the old bollard locations integrating with the potentials that you talked about in this

633
00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:47,780
 plan.

634
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:50,220
 Are you going to swap them out, or what's the situation?

635
00:46:50,220 --> 00:46:58,460
 We have already done some audits at old bollard locations, and in cases where they are old,

636
00:46:58,460 --> 00:47:06,980
 they are tangled, or displaced, or not in good shape, we are planning to, at least in

637
00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:12,100
 one case, the audit suggested that we'll remove them and provide striping, because they are

638
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:19,460
 more appropriate, because they were, the bollard areas were, I think, exploited by parkings,

639
00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:25,540
 so we wanted to get away from that and provide, so that audit is still continuing, and we

640
00:47:25,540 --> 00:47:30,260
 are looking into that, and we can provide some information about the audit on, I think

641
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:36,420
 it's on Windsor as well, and then there is another road that we are conducting this audit.

642
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:43,140
 So let me just paraphrase so I understand, so some places you will swap them out for

643
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:50,120
 the new flexi sticks, other places you'll, depending on the outcomes of the audit, may

644
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,120
 be striping.

645
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,120
 Yes.

646
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,120
 Is that a summary?

647
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,120
 That is correct.

648
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,120
 Okay.

649
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,120
 All right.

650
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:01,700
 And we can expect that when, when's the ETA on these changes?

651
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:08,880
 It is tied to budget, and we will, if our ongoing budget allows, some of them may happen,

652
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,100
 but it is highly linked to budget availability.

653
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:19,400
 Last question, how much do the 4-inch bollards cost us to replace?

654
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,660
 Someone told us this a long time ago, maybe you, and I just don't remember, you were saying

655
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:31,340
 these are $50 each and with an additional $25 to install, how much are the round 4-inch

656
00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:33,540
 bollards like we have now?

657
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:38,420
 I think that's the cost we came up with, so 50, so that predates me, the existing one

658
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:45,300
 that when they were purchased, but I think based on the current cost, this is our assessment,

659
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:47,140
 $50 per unit.

660
00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:52,980
 And so we, I can, so staff can look into this and see what was the cost for the bollards

661
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:53,980
 that we purchased.

662
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:59,760
 No, I'm just curious what the relative cost of the old bollards versus this, the new flexi

663
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,660
 sticks concept is relative to each other is all, it's not urgent.

664
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:05,660
 It's what?

665
00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:06,660
 The previous one will be cheaper.

666
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:07,660
 The previous one will be cheaper.

667
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:10,260
 Because of the cost inflation and all those other things.

668
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:11,260
 Okay, gotcha, thank you.

669
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:12,260
 Anyone else, yes?

670
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:21,460
 I just want to follow up on that, that seems incredible, that little, what is it, 4 feet

671
00:49:21,460 --> 00:49:22,460
 tall?

672
00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:29,100
 Yes, 3.5 to 4 feet, well, 3 to 3.5 feet tall.

673
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:31,460
 And is the block, is there an adhesive?

674
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:32,460
 Oh, the block?

675
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:33,460
 You're talking about the block?

676
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:37,340
 No, no, no, I was talking about the, what are we gonna call it, he called them flexi

677
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:38,340
 sticks, I hate that.

678
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:41,940
 So bollards is a, I think we can call them bollard or flexi sticks.

679
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:43,020
 Flexi sticks, okay.

680
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:50,020
 The flexi stick includes the vertical and the base, and it looks to be about a 12 inch

681
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:51,020
 base.

682
00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:56,220
 Yes, and let me take it, yeah, so this is where we have dimension 3 to 3.5 feet.

683
00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,920
 Is there an adhesive under that to hold the base down?

684
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:00,920
 Different options.

685
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,460
 We can bolt them, but adhesive is as well, there's an option for adhesive, depending

686
00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:05,460
 on the use.

687
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:15,180
 If the use is at not very highly used location, for example, if it is a mall area where we

688
00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:17,260
 are using bollards, it could be adhesive.

689
00:50:17,260 --> 00:50:24,660
 Okay, that just seems like a stunning amount.

690
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:29,580
 And the blocks are eight feet by one foot.

691
00:50:29,580 --> 00:50:31,700
 And they're $300.

692
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:35,140
 Yes, and that is a bulk cost.

693
00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:38,980
 If we buy fewer, then it will be slightly higher.

694
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:48,940
 This is a great, I really appreciate your thoughtfulness on considering where people

695
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:53,140
 are traveling to.

696
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:57,420
 Like I mentioned earlier, I do live in this neighborhood, and we have a lot of neighbors

697
00:50:57,420 --> 00:51:04,500
 that work at UNT or work on the square, and that is their direct path.

698
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:08,380
 And we're hoping to be able to get there safely.

699
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:19,540
 One thing I was curious about, the streets mentioned here, Malone, Georgetown, Ector,

700
00:51:19,540 --> 00:51:27,340
 and potential, let's see, South Carroll.

701
00:51:27,340 --> 00:51:34,980
 Those areas, there are no sidewalks for pedestrians, which is something that I'm really concerned

702
00:51:34,980 --> 00:51:35,980
 about.

703
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:40,900
 I've noticed that on South Carroll, there's one side of the street where the people who

704
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,140
 live there are trapped.

705
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:47,060
 They literally cannot walk anywhere from their home.

706
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:52,860
 So I'm wondering if these protected lanes, could they be pedestrian and for cyclists?

707
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:58,140
 Could we mark them as for both, kind of like what happened by Newton-Razor, which right

708
00:51:58,140 --> 00:52:03,340
 now after that has been implemented, it is being used by pedestrians and cyclists.

709
00:52:03,340 --> 00:52:09,060
 And wondering if that could be a cost-effective way, instead of constructing sidewalks and

710
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:16,020
 side paths in those areas, could we mark these lanes for pedestrians and cyclists?

711
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:17,020
 That's a possibility.

712
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:22,300
 When we look into the implementation of the project and the design, we may look into the

713
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:29,340
 multi-use path option, especially because we are suggesting blocks, using concrete blocks.

714
00:52:29,340 --> 00:52:33,740
 So there is a possibility, but of course we'll have to go to some kind of road diet because

715
00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:38,100
 it will take additional space if we put a pedestrian there.

716
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:40,740
 But we are open to that idea.

717
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:45,220
 And then with the design at this, so after this, forgive me, I may not know the correct

718
00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:46,220
 process here.

719
00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:51,940
 So these are selected corridors for implementation and then there will be a design, and I'm curious

720
00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:56,980
 in some of these areas where, for example, at Malone Street north of 380, right now there

721
00:52:56,980 --> 00:52:58,940
 are three car lanes.

722
00:52:58,940 --> 00:53:03,780
 If you're heading south, there's a turn lane, which I'm guessing maybe there would be reworking

723
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:05,500
 of some of those lanes.

724
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:09,100
 Would that be presented at some point when we come up with a, when you come up with a

725
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:12,020
 design for these protected lanes?

726
00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:13,500
 It will be at the implementation.

727
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:17,460
 If we go towards the implementation of any of these projects, yes, they could be included

728
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:19,700
 in mobility committee presentations.

729
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:24,140
 And then my last question would be, I know the cost is something that we're concerned

730
00:53:24,140 --> 00:53:27,260
 about.

731
00:53:27,260 --> 00:53:34,060
 When we think long-term about if these lanes are here, I'm wondering if there's any way

732
00:53:34,060 --> 00:53:45,240
 we, if staff or someone can find out what the economic benefits could be once these

733
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:51,420
 things are implemented, the cost, if that would kind of helps us think through offsetting

734
00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:59,500
 the cost, if it allows people to get to more businesses or get to work, less road use,

735
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:06,180
 less cars on the road, how do we kind of find out maybe the benefits, the cost benefits

736
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:10,300
 for those, for the implementing these kinds of projects and then if we were to find a

737
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:16,420
 way to measure those things, could we then repeat that process when we maybe think about

738
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:18,600
 doing other corridors?

739
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:24,740
 It will depend on each corridor, how much savings are there, but yes, that cost benefit

740
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:27,940
 analysis is typically done post implementation.

741
00:54:27,940 --> 00:54:33,360
 Great, thank you.

742
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,180
 Thank you for all this information, Farhan.

743
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:42,700
 One question I had, or clarification I guess, the picture of that plastic bollard is not

744
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:47,260
 necessary, y'all aren't necessarily recommending that specific design, that's just an example

745
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:48,260
 of a plastic bollard, correct?

746
00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:49,260
 That is correct.

747
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:51,680
 So it could be any variety that y'all might go with?

748
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,680
 That is correct.

749
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,680
 Okay, I just wanted to clarify that.

750
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,580
 I felt like maybe we were taking it as like that's the literal one, but could be that,

751
00:54:57,580 --> 00:55:00,940
 could be the one we've been using, something like that, just as an example of a plastic

752
00:55:00,940 --> 00:55:02,060
 one.

753
00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:06,580
 And then on this slide, it does say spacing may be 20 to 40 feet.

754
00:55:06,580 --> 00:55:10,320
 Do we have a standard of some sort that we will use for that?

755
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,180
 Because I know on Hickory near Fry, it was 40 feet and right off the bat I was like that's

756
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:20,180
 not gonna work, 'cause my car's like 15 feet long and people were just constantly pulling

757
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:21,380
 in between and blocking them.

758
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:26,540
 So will there be sort of a standard to figure out when it's appropriate to do it all the

759
00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:30,780
 way between 40, 'cause a little Corolla like mine can easily fit in 40.

760
00:55:30,780 --> 00:55:36,460
 So at high speed locations or relatively higher speed locations with a continuous flow, the

761
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:42,820
 distance, the offset will be higher and at slower speed locations or where the potential

762
00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:48,140
 of parking is there, then the offset or distance between the bollards would be smaller.

763
00:55:48,140 --> 00:55:56,740
 For example, it would go, I have seen that five feet or in some cases lower as well,

764
00:55:56,740 --> 00:56:01,420
 just to discourage parking or interference with the bike lanes.

765
00:56:01,420 --> 00:56:03,060
 - That makes sense.

766
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:08,760
 And then is it possible to sort of implement these two options incrementally?

767
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,460
 So if we're like, okay, let's try a protected bike lane right here.

768
00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:16,180
 We start off with the plastic posts, that way there may be a little more flexible about

769
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:19,780
 adjusting the design a little bit, and then over time, of course, the plastic posts will

770
00:56:19,780 --> 00:56:22,020
 get beaten up and tired.

771
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:27,380
 And if that design's working for that neighborhood or business area, that we might upgrade to

772
00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:31,980
 the more expensive, more permanent, more sturdy concrete, and just sort of upgrade it over

773
00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:35,660
 time once we know that that's gonna work for that location.

774
00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:40,860
 - That will always be the case because strodes, if they become strodes and there are excess

775
00:56:40,860 --> 00:56:45,480
 issues, then we will reorder the location and suggest something different.

776
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:53,500
 But typically, the blocks would be used where we have relatively high speed arterial or

777
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:59,180
 collector, and we are trying to reduce bike, so we separate the movements through blocks.

778
00:56:59,180 --> 00:57:00,460
 And that's the objective.

779
00:57:00,460 --> 00:57:06,740
 But yes, there's a possibility we will audit and see if there is a risk we can introduce

780
00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:07,740
 this.

781
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:11,900
 - And I do agree on going just for the hard stuff right off the bat on higher speed, 'cause

782
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:15,660
 I know those plastic things will get taken out real fast.

783
00:57:15,660 --> 00:57:20,720
 And then in terms of all of these recommendations that we're getting today, what's the plan

784
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,780
 to implement it to make sure that in the future, these recommendations are taken forward?

785
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:29,180
 What are we gonna update or where are we gonna put these recommendations more permanently?

786
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:35,340
 - They are tied to budget, and as long as the budget is available, staff will implement

787
00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:37,340
 them and prioritize them.

788
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:42,900
 - But in terms of, let's say we have staff turnover every once in a while, so in terms

789
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:47,780
 of talking about these 20 to 40 feet, we're gonna use concrete or plastic, and all of

790
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:52,180
 these recommendations we're having here, are these ongoing recommendations or just recommendations

791
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:54,580
 for those specific segments that we talked about?

792
00:57:54,580 --> 00:57:59,380
 - So we are planning to put that, put these recommendations when it comes to specific

793
00:57:59,380 --> 00:58:04,580
 design formats into the transportation criteria manual as well.

794
00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:07,380
 But not in this update, because this update is almost complete.

795
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:11,740
 It's a new update that we are starting that will go for some time, and we are planning

796
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:18,940
 to bring a lot of new design elements into that.

797
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:19,940
 - So long-term?

798
00:58:19,940 --> 00:58:25,940
 - So if staff stays or leaves, the elements would be there, design elements would be there.

799
00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:30,820
 - Okay, so transportation criteria manual is where this will ultimately end up just

800
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:32,660
 not yet, in terms of the standards.

801
00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:33,660
 - That is correct.

802
00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:34,660
 - Okay, great, thank you.

803
00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:38,180
 And then one last one.

804
00:58:38,180 --> 00:58:42,820
 Did I hear correctly that there's a possibility some protected bike lanes may become unprotected

805
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:43,820
 in the future?

806
00:58:43,820 --> 00:58:45,860
 Did I hear that right?

807
00:58:45,860 --> 00:58:53,660
 - There's a possibility where it is a residential neighborhood, low speed, and where we are

808
00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:59,500
 seeing a lot of parking violations, as you highlighted, there are some spots where if

809
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:06,420
 it is low speed residential neighborhood where we have ballers and we have a wider offset

810
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:13,020
 where the car can park, we've been seeing that if it is exploited by the neighborhood,

811
00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:19,100
 that means that neighborhood is in a way recommending that ballers are not the choice.

812
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:25,100
 So we will have public engagement sessions, and we'll come up with this striping idea

813
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:30,500
 for some of the neighborhoods that we have been auditing, and that may work because on

814
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:34,820
 one side we'll have bike lane and on the other side we'll have parking, and that's the arrangement

815
00:59:34,820 --> 00:59:35,820
 we are looking at.

816
00:59:35,820 --> 00:59:38,460
 - Okay, so you're not saying, because what I heard-

817
00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:39,460
 - Not for arterials.

818
00:59:39,460 --> 00:59:44,700
 - Yeah, what I heard earlier was if there's a bike lane and people are parking in it,

819
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:49,020
 we're going to remove the ballers, which would honestly encourage more people to park, because

820
00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:52,140
 now it's even easier than it was before, but that's not what you're saying.

821
00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:56,100
 - No, what we are recommending is that if people are parking and that's the natural

822
00:59:56,100 --> 01:00:01,500
 behavior, tendency of the neighborhood, then let's go with that and provide a separate

823
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:06,900
 bike lane instead of having two bike lanes and one is being exploited.

824
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:11,540
 So I think that's the direction we are going, but it will never happen on arterials.

825
01:00:11,540 --> 01:00:17,420
 We will have to separate the movements, provide exclusivity for safety.

826
01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:22,140
 But this option that we talked about is always a possibility in residential neighborhoods

827
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:25,860
 where the speeds are relatively much lower.

828
01:00:25,860 --> 01:00:30,940
 - So like two-way protected bike lane on one side, parking on one side, does that sound

829
01:00:30,940 --> 01:00:31,940
 accurate?

830
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:32,940
 - Yes.

831
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:33,940
 - Okay, all right, thank you.

832
01:00:33,940 --> 01:00:42,060
 - I'm going to pick right up from there, because the only place that I am aware of that that

833
01:00:42,060 --> 01:00:52,280
 happens are Windsor and Old North, where it's already a mixed use transportation conundrum,

834
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:58,900
 because it's parking and bike pad, which is not ideal.

835
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:03,580
 The reason those bollards were put in was because people were swerving into cars and

836
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:05,460
 into pedestrians and bikes.

837
01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:14,820
 So those were put in to be a visual barrier to prevent swerving, not to prevent overlap

838
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:20,020
 of parking and people, although I don't want to go too much down there.

839
01:01:20,020 --> 01:01:26,140
 So I think I heard the answer to my first question when you were talking to a member

840
01:01:26,140 --> 01:01:35,500
 of the room, that you're anticipating striping one side and striping the other side to different

841
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:40,300
 uses, one to parking, one to bike pad.

842
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:41,300
 Is that what I'm hearing?

843
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:42,300
 - That is correct.

844
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:44,080
 And then we will reinforce striping.

845
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,060
 It's not just going to be striping, but we'll have some reflectors, some other treatments

846
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:55,180
 that will highlight to the auto users that there's a separate mode going on on this lane,

847
01:01:55,180 --> 01:01:56,780
 and it should not be used.

848
01:01:56,780 --> 01:01:57,780
 - Okay.

849
01:01:57,780 --> 01:02:02,300
 - So that swerving could be discouraged using these reflectors.

850
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:03,300
 - Okay.

851
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:04,300
 Good.

852
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:10,400
 I look forward to the engagement meeting to get the neighborhood to stop doing that.

853
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,380
 Whenever there's a change of behavior, there's always going to have to be engagement.

854
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:21,140
 The other partial question on that is, if you know whether we're going to continue to

855
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:29,380
 use the concurrent bollards or we're going to switch bollards, as soon as you can get

856
01:02:29,380 --> 01:02:34,560
 some engagement with the community on the visual appearance of those, that would be

857
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:40,540
 lovely, because we've had many discussions where Idiots Hill likes the bollards, but

858
01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:45,060
 hates the appearance of the four inch cylindrical bollards for whatever.

859
01:02:45,060 --> 01:02:48,940
 I don't know why they hate them, but they do, but they like the presence of the bollards,

860
01:02:48,940 --> 01:02:50,380
 but not the appearance of them.

861
01:02:50,380 --> 01:02:57,860
 I know that's, yes, first world problems, but this would help mitigate some community

862
01:02:57,860 --> 01:03:01,700
 angst if they knew what was coming to the changes.

863
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:06,900
 The last thing I will bring up is, I'm going to encourage staff to think about, for the

864
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:15,980
 cost benefit analysis, opportunities for sponsorship, the way we have trash pickup areas for sponsorship.

865
01:03:15,980 --> 01:03:23,540
 If a business wants to be an attractor, say, well, I just say there's a bike shop somewhere

866
01:03:23,540 --> 01:03:30,740
 in the area, and they want to be an attractor to Bikeped, then they might be willing to

867
01:03:30,740 --> 01:03:40,100
 sponsor that segment's costs, so that we could have more segments, or a residence might be

868
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:45,580
 willing to sponsor costs, or an organization might be willing to sponsor costs, even though

869
01:03:45,580 --> 01:03:52,860
 that wouldn't be a distributed cost across the entire tax base at $50 a pop or whatever.

870
01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:56,860
 If they were willing to pony up, then that is a community benefit that I encourage you

871
01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:59,140
 to look into opportunities for that.

872
01:03:59,140 --> 01:04:00,540
 What would that look like after that?

873
01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:10,240
 I have no idea, because I don't know what opportunities and pathways there are for donated

874
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,580
 funds into the transportation system.

875
01:04:12,580 --> 01:04:14,460
 I don't know how that would work.

876
01:04:14,460 --> 01:04:16,420
 That's why I'm asking a question of staff.

877
01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:20,980
 We can circle back on, but typically, the development review process goes through these

878
01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:26,580
 recommendations, especially in the design stage, what the street would look like.

879
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:32,300
 If there's a retail business coming, we would include these bike lanes as part of the review

880
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:37,900
 process, and then typically, the developers would agree to that idea.

881
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:40,540
 For new developers, yes, it makes sense.

882
01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:49,100
 You put it into the concept plan, or the final platting, or whatever, but for existing neighborhoods,

883
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:54,700
 if a bike shop wanted to sponsor those, he's leaning hard on that bike shop.

884
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:55,700
 Yes.

885
01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:56,700
 Thank you.

886
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:57,700
 Thank you.

887
01:04:57,700 --> 01:04:58,700
 Thank you.

888
01:04:58,700 --> 01:05:01,700
 Anything else on this item?

889
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:02,700
 All right.

890
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:03,700
 Thank you, everybody.

891
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:04,700
 Appreciate it.

892
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:05,700
 Yeah.

893
01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:06,700
 Yeah.

894
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:07,700
 See you.

895
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:10,940
 All right, we're going to move on to MC25.

896
01:05:10,940 --> 01:05:17,020
 Oh, Dr. Butts, once again, the man of the hour.

897
01:05:17,020 --> 01:05:18,020
 All right.

898
01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:19,020
 Let me introduce this here.

899
01:05:19,020 --> 01:05:25,340
 See, we're going to go to MC25-023, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff

900
01:05:25,340 --> 01:05:31,260
 direction regarding moving forward with a two-minute pitch to investigate the cost of

901
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:40,740
 returning East Hickory Street to traditional right-side head-end parking.

902
01:05:40,740 --> 01:05:44,100
 Ken Farhan Butt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services.

903
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:49,140
 This is East Hickory Street back-end parking presentation.

904
01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:59,140
 On April 1, 2025, Council Member Holland presented a two-minute pitch to investigate the cost

905
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:03,540
 of converting East Hickory to traditional front-end parking.

906
01:06:03,540 --> 01:06:12,140
 There was an ISR that was published in the Friday report on April 25, 2025, and the Agenda

907
01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:21,500
 Committee considered three options, and they recommended that staff route the pitch to

908
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:27,260
 the Mobility Committee for review before council consideration.

909
01:06:27,260 --> 01:06:32,820
 The Hickory Street back-end parking was completed in 2014 as part of the Hickory Grand Street

910
01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:41,540
 Project, a capital project, and approximate expenditure was around $3.2 million on this

911
01:06:41,540 --> 01:06:43,740
 project.

912
01:06:43,740 --> 01:06:50,020
 And potential solutions based on our audit staff conducted comprehensive traffic operations

913
01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:52,580
 and safety audits on this location.

914
01:06:52,580 --> 01:06:59,540
 And after our audit, we have some solutions to present.

915
01:06:59,540 --> 01:07:05,980
 The first one is the audit findings suggest that we may be able to resolve these parking

916
01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:12,100
 violations issue with the aggressive targeted enforcement.

917
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:16,820
 But another challenge is that this enforcement, when we spoke with the police department,

918
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:22,700
 they are tying it to the budget availability, and at the moment, they don't have financial

919
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:30,100
 resources to implement this additional enforcement that is needed, targeted to this location.

920
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:43,780
 Another option is that we transition from back-end parking to conventional or traditional

921
01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:51,020
 parking, that is basically front-end, front-end parking spots, locations, but that too would

922
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:59,540
 cost significantly more, over $3.5 million when it comes to full implementation of this

923
01:07:59,540 --> 01:08:00,540
 project.

924
01:08:00,540 --> 01:08:06,180
 And the third option is implementing a one-way traffic system, which typically these back-end

925
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:10,620
 parking lots or parking locations are assigned to.

926
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:16,140
 Basically, they are assigned to one-directional flow so that there is no conflicting parking

927
01:08:16,140 --> 01:08:18,060
 or violation chances.

928
01:08:18,060 --> 01:08:25,700
 And so that is typically recommended for back-end parking, that at least the traffic flow is

929
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:27,100
 one way.

930
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:36,140
 And so this adjustment or reconfiguration will have to do, will warrant a lot of design

931
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:41,700
 and planning review in terms of how the traffic flow movement would be impacted, not only

932
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:47,380
 on this street, but also in the adjacent streets and in the area overall, because it is downtown,

933
01:08:47,380 --> 01:08:50,380
 and especially during the peak durations.

934
01:08:50,380 --> 01:08:59,660
 So these are the three options, and staff recommend no change when it comes to technically

935
01:08:59,660 --> 01:09:10,660
 addressing this, because if we are tying it to the police enforcement, that is a minimal

936
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:14,280
 that we can do, and that is tied to additional financial resources.

937
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:19,800
 And other two options, staff is not recommending, because they would require significant redesign

938
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:28,540
 and planning work, and would cost a lot in terms of budget.

939
01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:36,260
 And it's up to the mobility committee if this should be further forwarded to the council.

940
01:09:36,260 --> 01:09:37,260
 Please.

941
01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:38,260
 Yes.

942
01:09:38,260 --> 01:09:43,620
 Why don't you start?

943
01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:50,820
 I have a myriad of things to say about this, and I think the first thing is that we refer

944
01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:56,180
 to converting East Hickory to traditional front-end parking.

945
01:09:56,180 --> 01:09:57,740
 It's traditional.

946
01:09:57,740 --> 01:10:05,260
 From California to the New York Island, that you park in head first.

947
01:10:05,260 --> 01:10:07,300
 And that's the issue.

948
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:14,820
 Since we've done this, there's been no clamoring in the community for more rear-end parking,

949
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:20,560
 and the reason that nobody wants more rear-end parking is they don't like the rear-end parking

950
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,980
 we got.

951
01:10:22,980 --> 01:10:27,700
 In this room last week, I spoke to the director of the Main Street Association, and I mentioned

952
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:29,580
 this two-minute pitch to her.

953
01:10:29,580 --> 01:10:32,660
 She said, "I hope you can get something done about that.

954
01:10:32,660 --> 01:10:36,100
 We hate it."

955
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:40,100
 And I'll be the first to admit, this is an unscientific study that I've done.

956
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:45,020
 But merchants up and down East Hickory can't stand it, because they're always having to

957
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:52,100
 explain to their patrons why this guy backed in and why this guy came in front.

958
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:56,100
 As far as the police enforcing it, the police don't want to enforce it, because it's a

959
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:59,500
 no-win situation.

960
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:04,960
 Even though the sign says, "Back in parking," the response is, "That's ridiculous."

961
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:05,960
 And it is.

962
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,060
 It's simply ridiculous.

963
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:11,460
 It was a bad idea the first time we did it.

964
01:11:11,460 --> 01:11:19,220
 Mistakes are expensive, and it needs to be corrected.

965
01:11:19,220 --> 01:11:24,500
 Enforcement's not going to help, because as you point out, the police have got plenty

966
01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:29,380
 to do besides enforcing back in parking.

967
01:11:29,380 --> 01:11:36,260
 I'm not sure that the citizenry can stomach another one-way street in the downtown area.

968
01:11:36,260 --> 01:11:40,660
 But again, I don't think that's the situation.

969
01:11:40,660 --> 01:11:41,660
 It's a bad idea.

970
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:45,100
 It was a bad idea from the day it was conceived.

971
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:48,620
 It's a bad idea today, and mistakes need to be corrected.

972
01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:50,620
 Thank you.

973
01:11:50,620 --> 01:11:59,540
 Anyone else want to speak on this?

974
01:11:59,540 --> 01:12:00,540
 Yes?

975
01:12:00,540 --> 01:12:05,500
 I wonder if the committee has had an opportunity to review ... Farhan, do you remember when

976
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:08,260
 we did this like a year ago?

977
01:12:08,260 --> 01:12:16,700
 It was like September of '23 or something in that time frame, September ... At least

978
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:25,460
 a year ago, I hope the committee had had an opportunity to review that ... This was brought

979
01:12:25,460 --> 01:12:32,460
 up then, and while I don't know what I would have done back in 2014 when this first came

980
01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:41,160
 up for $3 million, because I didn't precisely see all the backup materials, when it was

981
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:52,340
 reviewed a year ago, there was mild improvement in accident data, safety data, attributed

982
01:12:52,340 --> 01:12:55,820
 to this.

983
01:12:55,820 --> 01:13:03,500
 While I could see the argument being that it was mild enough that we shouldn't have

984
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:13,000
 done it in the first place, based on current conditions, I don't see decreasing safety

985
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:20,340
 to the tune of $3.5 million at this time, unless we are just flush with cash, which

986
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:28,020
 I'm not sure ... There's a lot of things we could use $3.5 million on, even if we left

987
01:13:28,020 --> 01:13:31,780
 it in the mobility budget.

988
01:13:31,780 --> 01:13:43,540
 We just talked about $50 to $300 a ballard, that $3.5 million is going to go quickly.

989
01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:45,340
 I guess that is my encouragement.

990
01:13:45,340 --> 01:13:51,180
 If you hadn't seen the ... It is admittedly mild, and please correct me if there is no

991
01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:58,460
 safety enhancement that should be said, and then you could evaluate $3.5 million against

992
01:13:58,460 --> 01:14:03,540
 no safety enhancement, but what I recall from a year and a half ago was there was a mild

993
01:14:03,540 --> 01:14:09,140
 safety improvement that staff determined a year and a half ago.

994
01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:11,700
 Is that correct?

995
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:16,940
 There's always room for safety enhancement, I would say, and no location is perfect.

996
01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:22,420
 When it comes to safety enhancement, there'll always be room.

997
01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:27,180
 One versus the other, there'll be advantages, there'll be merits, but the key challenge

998
01:14:27,180 --> 01:14:35,740
 here is the budget requirement, and that is not only for the overall redesign, but even

999
01:14:35,740 --> 01:14:43,820
 for the first recommendation of targeted enforcement, we need resources.

1000
01:14:43,820 --> 01:14:52,500
 I think all other options are open as long as we can tie some budgetary element to this,

1001
01:14:52,500 --> 01:15:00,800
 but at the moment, staff doesn't recommend any changes, we recommend that we proactively

1002
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:06,940
 see for the right time when we have budget availability, we could look into this again.

1003
01:15:06,940 --> 01:15:09,500
 That's my question, and you ended on it there.

1004
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:16,460
 If we had a magic wand and we had a spare, we found $4 million in the couch cushions,

1005
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:24,300
 and it could only be used on transportation issues, would staff ... This conversion could

1006
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:32,420
 stay or be converted back to the ... Because we have the $4 million available for it, would

1007
01:15:32,420 --> 01:15:38,940
 staff recommend reconversion, or would they not recommend reconversion is what I'm trying

1008
01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:39,940
 to get?

1009
01:15:39,940 --> 01:15:42,580
 Let's parse the safety issues from the budgetary issues.

1010
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:48,580
 We'll recommend, if the funds are available, we'll recommend technology use, and there

1011
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:58,220
 is a technology available that can detect the parking violations, and we could invest

1012
01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:03,420
 in that, and that will not only work for this location, but could be applicable to many

1013
01:16:03,420 --> 01:16:06,260
 other locations in the downtown.

1014
01:16:06,260 --> 01:16:14,460
 That is one option, versus we spend full $4 million to redesign and rebuild the whole

1015
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:21,980
 parking lot, versus we use the technology, and that application will not be specific

1016
01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:26,860
 to this location, but it will also help us in downtown, in other locations as well.

1017
01:16:26,860 --> 01:16:31,860
 I think staff could look into that if that is needed, but at the moment, I think this

1018
01:16:31,860 --> 01:16:35,420
 is our recommendation, that we just do not do anything.

1019
01:16:35,420 --> 01:16:36,420
 Okay.

1020
01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:37,420
 I appreciate that.

1021
01:16:37,420 --> 01:16:38,420
 Thank you.

1022
01:16:38,420 --> 01:16:46,100
 Farhan, I don't know if you're going to remember this, but I thought part of the reason they

1023
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:52,020
 went with back end instead of pull in the first time was they actually got more parking

1024
01:16:52,020 --> 01:16:54,420
 spaces, I believe, from back end.

1025
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:56,300
 Maybe Scott's the money of the river members.

1026
01:16:56,300 --> 01:16:58,300
 Has anybody been here that long?

1027
01:16:58,300 --> 01:16:59,340
 I recall seeing that.

1028
01:16:59,340 --> 01:17:04,300
 I don't remember how many spaces it was, so I would be very curious to remember how many

1029
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:06,900
 spaces we gained by doing back end.

1030
01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:12,940
 I know quantity of parking really matters to people too, so that's a factor.

1031
01:17:12,940 --> 01:17:15,500
 There's a variety of people who prefer back end.

1032
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:18,020
 Some prefer front end, right?

1033
01:17:18,020 --> 01:17:21,260
 It's kind of a mixed bag from what I've heard from people.

1034
01:17:21,260 --> 01:17:29,980
 In the literature I read before drafting the ISR, I found that it was pitched as a very

1035
01:17:29,980 --> 01:17:37,000
 innovative idea back then, and then it also won an award.

1036
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,940
 I think it was a great downtown award.

1037
01:17:40,940 --> 01:17:41,940
 Great streets or something.

1038
01:17:41,940 --> 01:17:48,220
 Great streets award, and it's an award winning concept that Denton provided.

1039
01:17:48,220 --> 01:17:52,420
 As a matter of fact, I read some news articles as well praising it, so it was pitched as

1040
01:17:52,420 --> 01:17:58,060
 a very innovative idea to serve the community.

1041
01:17:58,060 --> 01:18:05,340
 I will back up Councilmember Holland's opinion about converting this to a one way street.

1042
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:08,780
 At least one side of the road would have to be flipped, the parking, so that would still

1043
01:18:08,780 --> 01:18:13,740
 cost money, and the one ways are frustrating, and if it's a two lane one way, now you're

1044
01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:16,860
 talking probably faster driving speeds than what's currently there.

1045
01:18:16,860 --> 01:18:20,780
 I find it a very comfortable road on my bike or when I'm walking trying to cross the street

1046
01:18:20,780 --> 01:18:25,580
 because everybody drives naturally slower just because of the design of the street,

1047
01:18:25,580 --> 01:18:30,260
 so I would agree with Councilmember Holland that definitely not game for making it one

1048
01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:32,180
 way.

1049
01:18:32,180 --> 01:18:38,860
 I do know, I've observed other places when I see back end parking, I observe when I see

1050
01:18:38,860 --> 01:18:43,960
 everybody following the rules there, I'm always like, "Well, how are these people doing it?"

1051
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:48,700
 It is usually a one way, or there's a median in the middle where they physically can't

1052
01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:50,020
 do it the wrong way.

1053
01:18:50,020 --> 01:18:54,740
 I do see if we were to do a future project like this, a two way street with no medians,

1054
01:18:54,740 --> 01:18:58,500
 probably not the best route, but I am concerned in terms of timing.

1055
01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:04,660
 I know we have budget challenges coming up in this fiscal year, and so if we're not sure

1056
01:19:04,660 --> 01:19:12,100
 if this is going to make it less safe, more safe, if it's not necessarily going to affect

1057
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:17,860
 the economics of the area, because I know when we redid it that I know we've got a lot

1058
01:19:17,860 --> 01:19:21,900
 of investment in the businesses along there, and it's brought in a lot more tax revenue

1059
01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:29,700
 and that kind of thing, so it did create a bit of economic generation.

1060
01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:35,620
 Perhaps flipping it the other way would create more investment, I don't know, but until we

1061
01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:40,740
 know that this would create more investment and somehow make it safer, right now may not

1062
01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:44,340
 be the best time for it.

1063
01:19:44,340 --> 01:20:01,020
 I can just weigh in as a driver that I actually avoid going there because it's too stressful

1064
01:20:01,020 --> 01:20:10,900
 to back in, and it's too stressful to drive there because oncoming traffic could cut in

1065
01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:16,540
 front of me and then park across.

1066
01:20:16,540 --> 01:20:24,820
 I've observed this even recently online, this particular stretch always gets a lot of heated

1067
01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:35,140
 opinions from our residents, so that's anecdotal, the only thing I can think is to our residents

1068
01:20:35,140 --> 01:20:40,300
 this may be money well spent if it's something where now they actually want to go to that

1069
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:45,580
 area, they feel safer to park, they feel less stressed out, and they feel like they, like

1070
01:20:45,580 --> 01:20:53,140
 us, like I would probably frequent the businesses down there more often if it was more comfortable.

1071
01:20:53,140 --> 01:21:01,980
 >> Okay, so we'll have to come back to the focus of what we are to do here, and that

1072
01:21:01,980 --> 01:21:09,180
 is to vote on whether or not we want to send this forward to the Council.

1073
01:21:09,180 --> 01:21:14,900
 And so what I'm hearing, I don't know what I'm hearing because of, you know, the differences

1074
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:25,340
 of opinions, so I am going to go ahead and, let me get this to the discussion board if

1075
01:21:25,340 --> 01:21:28,820
 we need to, but we've got to move forward, yes.

1076
01:21:28,820 --> 01:21:32,420
 >> I was going to wait until you got to this point at least to answer a couple of the questions

1077
01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:33,420
 that I heard.

1078
01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:36,260
 >> Okay, so we want to go ahead and do that first, and then you can just--

1079
01:21:36,260 --> 01:21:41,660
 >> It was Council Member Beck talking about safety and that there was, it was minimal

1080
01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:48,180
 as far as less incidents that were occurring as a result of the back end, certainly rather

1081
01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:50,700
 than people crossing lanes.

1082
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:57,260
 The redesign from the standpoint of having a $3.5 million cost isn't realistic, isn't

1083
01:21:57,260 --> 01:22:03,060
 realistic today when we're looking at that we're going to have to make, you know, just

1084
01:22:03,060 --> 01:22:07,220
 reduce services or what we're doing to consider that.

1085
01:22:07,220 --> 01:22:13,260
 So looking at this and whether there's some alternatives for the enforcement piece, and

1086
01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:18,220
 then the second piece was on the number of spaces, well some of this was placemaking

1087
01:22:18,220 --> 01:22:19,460
 as well.

1088
01:22:19,460 --> 01:22:25,620
 So again, adding shade trees and doing different elements and just, it was placemaking that

1089
01:22:25,620 --> 01:22:30,000
 was part of the design, why it is that it ended up winning an award.

1090
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,700
 So just want to kind of put that in there and then of course for this committee it's

1091
01:22:33,700 --> 01:22:38,460
 just really kind of reviewing what you've heard, and then making recommendation how

1092
01:22:38,460 --> 01:22:42,300
 it is that you want to send this forward or not send this forward to Council.

1093
01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:47,100
 >> So that's about a lot, yes ma'am, sure clarification.

1094
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:51,460
 >> So I can understand the broader picture here, Council Member Holland made a pitch

1095
01:22:51,460 --> 01:22:59,140
 and it did not get accepted for further, okay so this is second step, and so we would be

1096
01:22:59,140 --> 01:23:05,300
 if we put something forward, we are recommending to Council for further discussion?

1097
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:11,460
 Our recommendation or are we just recommending future discussion on Council?

1098
01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:15,860
 >> You got to go ahead because I have something right here.

1099
01:23:15,860 --> 01:23:20,100
 >> This was sent, his history is on there, but this was sent from the agenda committee

1100
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:26,740
 based on the two minute pitch process, so this is part of that process, it was sent

1101
01:23:26,740 --> 01:23:35,420
 for mobility to make a recommendation to Council on the item, and then based on that recommendation

1102
01:23:35,420 --> 01:23:37,940
 I think that's, yeah.

1103
01:23:37,940 --> 01:23:41,860
 >> And whether that will be a work session or not going forward?

1104
01:23:41,860 --> 01:23:42,860
 >> Correct.

1105
01:23:42,860 --> 01:23:50,460
 >> I recall Council Member Holland asking for a work session, yeah, yeah, so whatever

1106
01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:58,180
 you decide here would be incorporated in a Council work session, yes or no?

1107
01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:08,820
 >> Well, from what I am understanding is that the City is recommending that we make no changes,

1108
01:24:08,820 --> 01:24:14,940
 that we do not move this conversation forward to, for the Council, that's our decision to

1109
01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:16,340
 do that.

1110
01:24:16,340 --> 01:24:22,740
 And if we want this conversation to go to the City, I mean, I'm sorry, to the Council,

1111
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:30,260
 then that's when the process of the Council saying yes or no to whether or not we're going

1112
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:33,620
 to move forward.

1113
01:24:33,620 --> 01:24:42,820
 If we decide right here, I'm asking for a vote on sending his pitch to the Council.

1114
01:24:42,820 --> 01:24:50,660
 The City has given us all the information and have given us their recommendation that

1115
01:24:50,660 --> 01:24:59,420
 we do not move it forward based on that first line item that they had given us, can you

1116
01:24:59,420 --> 01:25:00,420
 go back?

1117
01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:02,980
 >> Yes, please.

1118
01:25:02,980 --> 01:25:11,380
 >> Based on traffic fines, that backing in, parking, you know, can be effectively managed.

1119
01:25:11,380 --> 01:25:13,620
 Which way are we going to manage it?

1120
01:25:13,620 --> 01:25:23,140
 Are we going to go with the financial, are we more concerned about the financial impact

1121
01:25:23,140 --> 01:25:24,220
 in sending that?

1122
01:25:24,220 --> 01:25:30,060
 Because the Council is going to have to hear, either the Council is going to hear nothing,

1123
01:25:30,060 --> 01:25:32,620
 it's going to stop here, is that what I'm understanding?

1124
01:25:32,620 --> 01:25:40,680
 That it could stop here because they are not recommending any changes, you get it?

1125
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:45,180
 In other words, keep everything the same, that could stop here.

1126
01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:50,620
 Or if we are recommending that it go towards the Council, the Council is going to have

1127
01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:57,540
 to look at this and decide on what we want to do at the Council, okay?

1128
01:25:57,540 --> 01:26:00,540
 >> Do you need a motion?

1129
01:26:00,540 --> 01:26:04,660
 >> Can we ask for a motion at this point, is everybody understanding the motion?

1130
01:26:04,660 --> 01:26:05,660
 Yes, sir.

1131
01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:12,580
 >> I would like clarification from legal because I don't think that's the process, I thought

1132
01:26:12,580 --> 01:26:18,100
 it was going to work session regardless of what we said, that just there would be bundled

1133
01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:25,000
 into the work session whether staff, what their recommendations, what the committee's

1134
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,000
 recommendations were.

1135
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:30,900
 >> Well, I mean, we have an option right now to either say yes, move it forward, or no,

1136
01:26:30,900 --> 01:26:31,900
 it stays here.

1137
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:35,020
 >> That is what I don't believe is accurate, Chair.

1138
01:26:35,020 --> 01:26:41,660
 I would like legal clarity on that.

1139
01:26:41,660 --> 01:26:48,460
 >> I believe that the intent from the agenda committee was to have this vetted as an advisory

1140
01:26:48,460 --> 01:26:56,220
 board recommendation, and whatever your recommendation is, is your recommendation.

1141
01:26:56,220 --> 01:27:05,260
 I think at that point, the recommendation would go, and it would be, I guess, go through

1142
01:27:05,260 --> 01:27:12,780
 the process of the chart if Council, if it's on a work session, your recommendation has

1143
01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:17,700
 been noted, staff's recommendation has been noted, and that's kind of how, because the

1144
01:27:17,700 --> 01:27:22,980
 whole body, I believe, kind of went through the ISR process, the two-minute pitch process,

1145
01:27:22,980 --> 01:27:28,620
 which is the new thing that the whole body incorporated and agreed to.

1146
01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:33,420
 So then the whole body would, after this process has taken place, the whole body would take

1147
01:27:33,420 --> 01:27:39,580
 it up again as the understanding, and then you just, you've had time to vet it more thoroughly

1148
01:27:39,580 --> 01:27:44,900
 than the rest of the body, and then the body would make that decision based on that.

1149
01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:50,420
 >> Okay, so it sounds like we are, we have to send it to the Council.

1150
01:27:50,420 --> 01:27:54,980
 I mean, it's written here, "Vote on sending the pitch to the Council."

1151
01:27:54,980 --> 01:27:55,980
 Are we sending?

1152
01:27:55,980 --> 01:27:56,980
 >> It's a, yeah.

1153
01:27:56,980 --> 01:27:57,980
 >> I mean, we've got a--

1154
01:27:57,980 --> 01:27:58,980
 >> It's a direction.

1155
01:27:58,980 --> 01:27:59,980
 >> Yeah, the direction.

1156
01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:11,260
 >> It's to give a direction to staff based on the two-minute pitch concept.

1157
01:28:11,260 --> 01:28:18,620
 >> So this goes back to which direction, what direction are we giving to the city, to send

1158
01:28:18,620 --> 01:28:20,260
 back to the Council?

1159
01:28:20,260 --> 01:28:26,540
 I would like to move, if that's the correct term, that the committee send this to the

1160
01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:30,540
 Council for a work session, for consideration.

1161
01:28:30,540 --> 01:28:33,900
 Is that the proper motion?

1162
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:36,780
 Did I word that correctly?

1163
01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:40,220
 >> The, yes, that is the proper motion.

1164
01:28:40,220 --> 01:28:46,700
 The direction is going to be what the discussion is on, and if there's not a direction, then

1165
01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:52,420
 that is a direction, I guess, but that's what your discussion is going to be on the floor.

1166
01:28:52,420 --> 01:28:58,620
 The floor is, okay, it's going, but what's your, is your additional motion to, one way

1167
01:28:58,620 --> 01:29:05,140
 is that your additional motion to look at the 3.5, is your, make an additional statement

1168
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:12,420
 on top of that, I guess, to clarify the direction.

1169
01:29:12,420 --> 01:29:13,420
 >> Okay.

1170
01:29:13,420 --> 01:29:14,420
 >> So the direction, go.

1171
01:29:14,420 --> 01:29:15,420
 >> Madam Chair.

1172
01:29:15,420 --> 01:29:16,420
 >> Yes, please.

1173
01:29:16,420 --> 01:29:22,780
 >> Is the, two pieces, and Council Member Beck's position is going to the, it is going

1174
01:29:22,780 --> 01:29:24,620
 to go to a work session.

1175
01:29:24,620 --> 01:29:30,580
 So if we're recommending it, go to a work session, supporting, or what's staff direction

1176
01:29:30,580 --> 01:29:32,060
 when we're going forward?

1177
01:29:32,060 --> 01:29:38,620
 Mobility committee, staff's direction is that this is where we're at, you've heard that.

1178
01:29:38,620 --> 01:29:45,380
 Now the Mobility Committee has listened to the presentation, reviewed the documentation,

1179
01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:48,140
 what's the recommendation carrying that forward?

1180
01:29:48,140 --> 01:29:53,260
 When we go to work session, staff will be presenting in work session, it'll be deliberated,

1181
01:29:53,260 --> 01:29:57,980
 but what's the recommendation coming out of this body to, for that?

1182
01:29:57,980 --> 01:29:59,940
 Correct, Ben?

1183
01:29:59,940 --> 01:30:10,380
 >> That was correct, that's what I, so, goes back to whether or not we're going to send

1184
01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:16,380
 it back to the Council or not.

1185
01:30:16,380 --> 01:30:21,740
 That is the question, and we've got to get past that part.

1186
01:30:21,740 --> 01:30:28,380
 That's what I understand, that the new process is, is when you're coming to the committees

1187
01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:40,060
 for an advisory recommendation, or advisory recommendation, then it stays with the committee,

1188
01:30:40,060 --> 01:30:47,700
 or it goes back to the Council for further, for further approval.

1189
01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:53,580
 So now if everything's going to be, that comes to a committee, really this should all be

1190
01:30:53,580 --> 01:30:56,760
 done in discussion because we don't even have a second yet.

1191
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:03,380
 So we're actually out of order right now, in our role with it, since we're here.

1192
01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:11,100
 If it comes, if we're going to bring things to a committee for advisory, everything that

1193
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:18,660
 comes from the committee is going to go back to the Council anyway for continued discussion

1194
01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:23,140
 and approval from the Council.

1195
01:31:23,140 --> 01:31:28,340
 What I understand right here is we're giving direction regarding moving forward with a

1196
01:31:28,340 --> 01:31:30,140
 two minute pitch.

1197
01:31:30,140 --> 01:31:40,260
 Are we going to send this pitch back to the Council so the Council can approve it or do

1198
01:31:40,260 --> 01:31:48,300
 we stay here and we advise on what the City has recommended?

1199
01:31:48,300 --> 01:31:53,980
 The City has recommended that we do nothing, okay.

1200
01:31:53,980 --> 01:31:54,980
 That's what I'm understanding.

1201
01:31:54,980 --> 01:31:56,380
 Did you all hear that?

1202
01:31:56,380 --> 01:32:02,460
 The City is recommending that we stay as is, Joe Holland has put in the motion that we

1203
01:32:02,460 --> 01:32:10,740
 stay as is, but our information here is whether or not we're going to move forward with the

1204
01:32:10,740 --> 01:32:14,180
 two minute pitch to investigate that cost.

1205
01:32:14,180 --> 01:32:18,500
 And that's my motion, that we proceed.

1206
01:32:18,500 --> 01:32:20,940
 That we proceed to the Council?

1207
01:32:20,940 --> 01:32:21,940
 Yes.

1208
01:32:21,940 --> 01:32:33,220
 Proceed with an affirmative direction, so these are just advisory opinions, we're not

1209
01:32:33,220 --> 01:32:39,780
 stopping the process, we're saying our advice is go forward young man or stop, but regardless

1210
01:32:39,780 --> 01:32:43,560
 it's going to go back to Council is what Ben said.

1211
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:48,740
 So whatever way we're going, we can make that recommendation but it's coming back to the

1212
01:32:48,740 --> 01:32:52,220
 three of us plus four more at some future date.

1213
01:32:52,220 --> 01:32:55,860
 So what's the correct motion?

1214
01:32:55,860 --> 01:32:57,220
 It needs a second regardless.

1215
01:32:57,220 --> 01:33:00,220
 That's really what it means.

1216
01:33:00,220 --> 01:33:01,220
 Can we get a second?

1217
01:33:01,220 --> 01:33:05,860
 Can I ask for a pause until we have direction so that it can be bundled with that?

1218
01:33:05,860 --> 01:33:11,140
 We've got to have a second to have the conversation, even have the pause to give the direction.

1219
01:33:11,140 --> 01:33:14,140
 You're not allowing us to move forward.

1220
01:33:14,140 --> 01:33:21,100
 We're still up here with fur on butt and we're trying to get past him so we can have a discussion

1221
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:27,100
 to move it forward.

1222
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:34,860
 We've got to have the motion to move forward to send the pitch back to the City to the

1223
01:33:34,860 --> 01:33:39,300
 Council unless we just stay here.

1224
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:42,900
 Staff recommends mobility committee send pitch to City Council.

1225
01:33:42,900 --> 01:33:46,460
 You're getting tripped up on this presentation but I don't think that's the process.

1226
01:33:46,460 --> 01:33:47,460
 I think that's the statement of the presentation.

1227
01:33:47,460 --> 01:33:48,460
 Okay so what's the process?

1228
01:33:48,460 --> 01:33:49,460
 What's the process?

1229
01:33:49,460 --> 01:33:50,460
 Tell us what Ben said.

1230
01:33:50,460 --> 01:33:51,460
 Ben said what I said.

1231
01:33:51,460 --> 01:33:52,460
 No he didn't.

1232
01:33:52,460 --> 01:33:53,460
 He did.

1233
01:33:53,460 --> 01:34:05,460
 Council Member Holland, if you could just restate your motion to include the returning

1234
01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:11,260
 of East Hickory to traditional, whatever your opinion is.

1235
01:34:11,260 --> 01:34:21,860
 My motion is to send, for this committee to send to Council the recommendation that we

1236
01:34:21,860 --> 01:34:29,580
 investigate returning East Hickory Street to traditional front-end parking.

1237
01:34:29,580 --> 01:34:34,260
 Is that, does that touch all the bases?

1238
01:34:34,260 --> 01:34:41,060
 Yes and I'll second.

1239
01:34:41,060 --> 01:34:49,620
 All in favor, any additional discussion?

1240
01:34:49,620 --> 01:34:52,980
 Do we actually need a vote to move this forward or can we just do the little go down the line

1241
01:34:52,980 --> 01:34:54,820
 thing where we all give our opinion?

1242
01:34:54,820 --> 01:34:56,140
 Is that sufficient?

1243
01:34:56,140 --> 01:35:01,260
 Because it sounds like either way it goes forward in some regard.

1244
01:35:01,260 --> 01:35:07,780
 I think the important part to this is does this committee make a recommendation to make

1245
01:35:07,780 --> 01:35:12,520
 a change to the parking, no change to the parking, some of the things that we're saying

1246
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,540
 here, whatever that might look like.

1247
01:35:15,540 --> 01:35:19,300
 It will be going to look at a work session.

1248
01:35:19,300 --> 01:35:21,900
 What does the mobility committee say?

1249
01:35:21,900 --> 01:35:29,500
 So I think the motion that I heard in the table is to make a 3.5 million dollar change.

1250
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:33,820
 The motion in fact was to convert East Hickory to traditional front-end parking.

1251
01:35:33,820 --> 01:35:36,260
 Yes thank you.

1252
01:35:36,260 --> 01:35:42,060
 And then so it's a matter of if that's what this, if that's what this body is going to

1253
01:35:42,060 --> 01:35:44,980
 advise council, that's what they're saying.

1254
01:35:44,980 --> 01:35:46,540
 That's what you're going to come out of this with.

1255
01:35:46,540 --> 01:35:51,340
 So it's a recommendation of what the mobility committee says in that work session.

1256
01:35:51,340 --> 01:35:56,400
 So when they hear the work session and the mobility committee supported, denied, whatever,

1257
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,900
 wherever it ends up, that's what this group is doing.

1258
01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:00,900
 Ben is?

1259
01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:01,900
 Correct.

1260
01:36:01,900 --> 01:36:02,900
 That's my understanding.

1261
01:36:02,900 --> 01:36:10,220
 We have a motion in a second.

1262
01:36:10,220 --> 01:36:13,140
 Okay, you're recognizing me.

1263
01:36:13,140 --> 01:36:18,220
 I'm not going to support the motion because there's not, it's not that I don't recognize

1264
01:36:18,220 --> 01:36:24,620
 the pain and stress that has been brought up by members of the community.

1265
01:36:24,620 --> 01:36:31,060
 If we had excess budget, I wouldn't care, we would hopefully go in and it wouldn't be

1266
01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:41,060
 too disruptive to Hickory to flip it back, but with that and not a clear indication from

1267
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:44,900
 transportation services that we will not be decreasing safety.

1268
01:36:44,900 --> 01:36:50,820
 So if it was free to do and we decreased safety, I would vote no, like if it was a huge decrease

1269
01:36:50,820 --> 01:36:52,980
 in safety, I would vote no.

1270
01:36:52,980 --> 01:36:58,780
 If it's neutral to safety and a huge increase in budget, which is what I'm seeing on the

1271
01:36:58,780 --> 01:37:02,860
 previous discussion, then I'm still going to vote no because it's a huge increase in

1272
01:37:02,860 --> 01:37:03,860
 budget.

1273
01:37:03,860 --> 01:37:09,340
 If it's neutral to safety and we could just do it trivially, then I'd say sure, who cares,

1274
01:37:09,340 --> 01:37:10,900
 let's go for it.

1275
01:37:10,900 --> 01:37:17,700
 So that is the nuanced position, but two out of those three are no and we're not in a condition

1276
01:37:17,700 --> 01:37:23,300
 where we're either showing that it's an improvement in safety or not a huge decrease in safety

1277
01:37:23,300 --> 01:37:29,060
 and we're definitely showing that there's a substantial enforcement redevelopment or

1278
01:37:29,060 --> 01:37:31,660
 whatever cost associated with it.

1279
01:37:31,660 --> 01:37:38,380
 So at this time in 2025, I'm not going to be supporting the motion.

1280
01:37:38,380 --> 01:37:43,980
 - Okay, anybody else wanna comment?

1281
01:37:43,980 --> 01:37:47,340
 - I'll similarly have to back council member back on this.

1282
01:37:47,340 --> 01:37:51,660
 I just keep hearing about our budget in the upcoming fiscal year and I just don't think

1283
01:37:51,660 --> 01:37:56,340
 now is the time for that particular option.

1284
01:37:56,340 --> 01:38:02,500
 I could be amicable to the first option if they ever become available to be able to do

1285
01:38:02,500 --> 01:38:06,940
 enforcement, but I understand they're also short staff partially because of budget, but

1286
01:38:06,940 --> 01:38:12,260
 at this time I would not be able to because of the high price for the specific motion.

1287
01:38:12,260 --> 01:38:13,260
 - Okay.

1288
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:14,260
 - Very quick.

1289
01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:18,220
 - Oh, you don't wanna say something else?

1290
01:38:18,220 --> 01:38:19,220
 - Sure.

1291
01:38:19,220 --> 01:38:23,300
 - Do we have discussion page?

1292
01:38:23,300 --> 01:38:29,700
 - In my humble estimation, we the city made a mistake in doing this experiment.

1293
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:38,100
 I've not heard one person in my very unscientific study of this say, "Boy, that's a good idea.

1294
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:40,100
 We ought to do that all over town."

1295
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:42,580
 I haven't heard one person say that.

1296
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:47,780
 What I have heard is people up and down East Hickory, particularly merchants that say they

1297
01:38:47,780 --> 01:38:52,820
 have to explain this to their customers all the time, I wish you'd do something about

1298
01:38:52,820 --> 01:38:54,580
 it.

1299
01:38:54,580 --> 01:39:00,740
 Mistakes are expensive and nobody wants to spend money to redo a mistake.

1300
01:39:00,740 --> 01:39:06,420
 Nobody wants to do that less than me, but it's a mistake when you jump off sides with

1301
01:39:06,420 --> 01:39:10,840
 a fourth and one, you pay a penalty.

1302
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,140
 We're paying a penalty here.

1303
01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:13,140
 I'm sorry.

1304
01:39:13,140 --> 01:39:18,060
 - All right, we'll all have spoken.

1305
01:39:18,060 --> 01:39:24,580
 If you are in affirmative of this vote, raise your hand.

1306
01:39:24,580 --> 01:39:32,660
 And if you're not in favor, raise your hand.

1307
01:39:32,660 --> 01:39:36,620
 So we have an affirmative to this motion.

1308
01:39:36,620 --> 01:39:38,620
 Thank you.

1309
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:43,380
 - Okay, time is getting short.

1310
01:39:43,380 --> 01:39:44,380
 That was a lively discussion.

1311
01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:48,980
 Thank you all very much and we'll see how that goes.

1312
01:39:48,980 --> 01:39:49,980
 - Our next meeting is when?

1313
01:39:49,980 --> 01:39:50,980
 I'm sorry.

1314
01:39:50,980 --> 01:39:54,380
 - Let me put up the matrix.

1315
01:39:54,380 --> 01:40:03,780
 We have got to look at the EMC 25-025, receive a report and hold a discussion and give staff

1316
01:40:03,780 --> 01:40:09,180
 direction regarding future meeting topics.

1317
01:40:09,180 --> 01:40:14,860
 So we have this in front of us like we do every month and is there anything, we see

1318
01:40:14,860 --> 01:40:16,640
 the yeses on there.

1319
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:18,420
 You want to run through those yeses real quick?

1320
01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:19,420
 - Yeah, sure.

1321
01:40:19,420 --> 01:40:24,380
 So a few of these items were covered today in some of our conversations, a lot were covered

1322
01:40:24,380 --> 01:40:25,740
 in the staff memo.

1323
01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:31,460
 So those increasing wrapped equipment boxes, the ballard evaluation, construction project

1324
01:40:31,460 --> 01:40:38,020
 information on shady shores, understanding strode, the US 380 side path and pedestrian

1325
01:40:38,020 --> 01:40:43,780
 impact allowed use of trip funds, walking audits, and then lastly that Hickory Street

1326
01:40:43,780 --> 01:40:44,780
 back in parking.

1327
01:40:44,780 --> 01:40:51,500
 So we would request to remove all those items and next month we'll work to remove some more.

1328
01:40:51,500 --> 01:40:54,180
 - Did you have a question?

1329
01:40:54,180 --> 01:40:55,700
 - Yes, on these.

1330
01:40:55,700 --> 01:41:00,060
 I'm comfortable removing all those items except for I think points were brought up during

1331
01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:06,260
 the strode discussion that merit revisiting at some point appropriating the agenda.

1332
01:41:06,260 --> 01:41:11,660
 So I'd like to keep that one on there for the updates that were asked for, but otherwise

1333
01:41:11,660 --> 01:41:15,340
 I'm supportive of the rest of them.

1334
01:41:15,340 --> 01:41:18,340
 - Anyone else?

1335
01:41:18,340 --> 01:41:25,900
 Okay, can we get a motion to remove the yes items as noted?

1336
01:41:25,900 --> 01:41:30,180
 - I'll make a motion to remove all the yes items except for strode.

1337
01:41:30,180 --> 01:41:31,180
 - Second.

1338
01:41:31,180 --> 01:41:34,260
 - Okay, all right, all in favor say aye.

1339
01:41:34,260 --> 01:41:35,260
 - Aye.

1340
01:41:35,260 --> 01:41:39,740
 - That looks like all has aye, all ayes, that is approved.

1341
01:41:39,740 --> 01:41:40,740
 - All right.

1342
01:41:40,740 --> 01:41:43,740
 - You have your hand up.

1343
01:41:43,740 --> 01:42:03,060
 - So we had earlier a discussion about putting on the matrix a discussion about whether councils

1344
01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:10,020
 should get streamlined recommendations from, the early discussion is our safety concerns

1345
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:14,380
 streamlined so that transportation can implement them 'cause we're constantly coming back to

1346
01:42:14,380 --> 01:42:16,700
 council that discussion from early on.

1347
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:22,420
 I would like to put that on the matrix for a discussion and positive or negative recommendation

1348
01:42:22,420 --> 01:42:28,220
 to council if people wouldn't mind, if the board wouldn't mind.

1349
01:42:28,220 --> 01:42:30,220
 - All right, so that's future matrix.

1350
01:42:30,220 --> 01:42:31,220
 Anything else?

1351
01:42:31,220 --> 01:42:32,220
 Yes.

1352
01:42:32,220 --> 01:42:34,540
 - Council Member Beck, is it okay if I tack on to that slightly?

1353
01:42:34,540 --> 01:42:39,460
 If staff think of anything besides that up to two additional items that are in a similar

1354
01:42:39,460 --> 01:42:43,060
 vein for us to look at, is it okay if we add that?

1355
01:42:43,060 --> 01:42:45,940
 - As a friendly amendment, I'd love to hear more safety recommendations, yes.

1356
01:42:45,940 --> 01:42:46,940
 - Sure.

1357
01:42:46,940 --> 01:42:49,260
 - Or whatever you're specifying, what are you asking?

1358
01:42:49,260 --> 01:42:51,900
 - Because you said no right turn on red specifically, yeah.

1359
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:55,260
 - What, up to two more safety recommendations?

1360
01:42:55,260 --> 01:43:00,500
 - If there's something in a similar vein for staff, if they want, this is totally choose

1361
01:43:00,500 --> 01:43:01,500
 your own adventure.

1362
01:43:01,500 --> 01:43:06,980
 If there is an additional item similar to that where streamline is good, Council Member Bird

1363
01:43:06,980 --> 01:43:07,980
 does not like this amendment.

1364
01:43:07,980 --> 01:43:09,700
 - I don't like that amendment.

1365
01:43:09,700 --> 01:43:17,260
 - The only reason I'm hesitant is 'cause we're vague and I don't know what that means, whereas

1366
01:43:17,260 --> 01:43:22,180
 this is a highly specific item.

1367
01:43:22,180 --> 01:43:27,220
 I'm happy to add things into that that are safety concerns if staff has them, but I think

1368
01:43:27,220 --> 01:43:31,100
 wouldn't we have to have the matrix item to discuss them, to get them on the thing, and

1369
01:43:31,100 --> 01:43:33,940
 it's not that hard to get them on the list.

1370
01:43:33,940 --> 01:43:35,540
 - I'll pull back that.

1371
01:43:35,540 --> 01:43:36,540
 - Thank you.

1372
01:43:36,540 --> 01:43:37,540
 - Appreciate that.

1373
01:43:37,540 --> 01:43:38,540
 Anything else?

1374
01:43:38,540 --> 01:43:39,540
 Anyone else?

1375
01:43:39,540 --> 01:43:47,060
 So we did that, and so let's move on to the next meeting and concluding items.

1376
01:43:47,060 --> 01:43:48,060
 Thank you very much.

1377
01:43:48,060 --> 01:43:49,060
 Great job.

1378
01:43:49,060 --> 01:43:51,700
 Y'all did such a wonderful job.

1379
01:43:51,700 --> 01:43:57,020
 Concluding items, next meeting, June 25th, is everybody okay with June 25th?

1380
01:43:57,020 --> 01:43:58,020
 Yes?

1381
01:43:58,020 --> 01:44:00,580
 Are we anticipating being out?

1382
01:44:00,580 --> 01:44:06,780
 I believe that we have a new process for notifying committees, if you're not gonna make it to

1383
01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:07,780
 the meetings.

1384
01:44:07,780 --> 01:44:08,780
 - Oh.

1385
01:44:08,780 --> 01:44:09,780
 - Is that this meeting?

1386
01:44:09,780 --> 01:44:10,780
 - Oh.

1387
01:44:10,780 --> 01:44:19,500
 - I'm just trying to remember my city phone stuff, so I did receive something there, but

1388
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:22,060
 I'll need clarification on that apparently.

1389
01:44:22,060 --> 01:44:25,660
 Next meeting, June 25th, is there anything else on board?

1390
01:44:25,660 --> 01:44:30,660
 Then we will conclude this meeting at Elyse.

1391
01:44:30,660 --> 01:44:32,980
 - Just real quick, welcome to our new member, Lauren Penn.

1392
01:44:32,980 --> 01:44:35,700
 I just wanted to recognize that as part of the meeting.

1393
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:36,700
 Welcome.

1394
01:44:36,700 --> 01:44:37,700
 - Thank you.

1395
01:44:37,700 --> 01:44:38,700
 Glad you could be here.

1396
01:44:38,700 --> 01:44:39,700
 - Thank you so much for that.

1397
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:40,700
 You just blended in.

1398
01:44:40,700 --> 01:44:41,700
 You were just blending.

1399
01:44:41,700 --> 01:44:44,340
 So we certainly do welcome you on board.

1400
01:44:44,340 --> 01:44:45,340
 - Yeah.

1401
01:44:45,340 --> 01:44:46,340
 - Yeah.

1402
01:44:46,340 --> 01:44:47,340
 Anything else?

1403
01:44:47,340 --> 01:44:48,340
 All right.

1404
01:44:48,340 --> 01:44:49,340
 If there's not anything else, we'll conclude at 1146.

1405
01:44:49,340 --> 01:44:50,340
 - Very good.

1406
01:44:50,340 --> 01:44:51,340
 - And you and I, we gotta get through a little bit of extra, and we gotta hurry up and get

1407
01:44:51,340 --> 01:44:52,340
 over it.

1408
01:44:52,340 --> 01:44:52,340
 - Sure.