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 Good afternoon, at 5.02 p.m. on April 23rd, I will call our work session of the Denton

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 Planning and Zoning Commission to order.

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 The first item on the work session report or first item in our work section is to look

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 at the consent agenda.

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 Any questions on the consent agenda, clarification items?

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 Seeing none, any, okay, sorry, that brings us to, I apologize, I stapled this and I stapled

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 it backwards, so here we are, yes.

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 So the, we will go through the individual items for consideration, yeah, right, okay.

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 I didn't know if you wanted an agenda that was in the correct order.

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 No, I'm just confusing myself here, thank you.

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 So the first item 4A, FP250014A, good afternoon, sorry.

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 Okay, we're confusing each other now instead of ourselves.

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 Good evening, Commission, Bryce Van Arsdale, Assistant Planner, this is FP250014A.

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 This is the final plat for approximately 19 acres intended for single family residential

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 use.

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 This is on the individual consideration portion of the agenda due to some comments we were

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 working through late last week, but this plat has reached approval and we have no further

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 issues with recommending approval for this plat and I'll stand for any questions.

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 Seeing no questions, thank you, Bryce.

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 Next item, PP250002, I think Matt is going to present this one this evening.

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 Good evening, Commission, Matt Bodean standing in for Ashley Exet.

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 This is a preliminary plat located in the west part of the ETJ, approximately 269 acres

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 site.

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 It's meant for a single family residential subdivision.

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 At this time, staff recommends denial as the preliminary plat does not comply with all

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 of our criteria, however, staff has no objection to the year first extension request to a date

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 certain of May 14, 2025.

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 Seeing no questions, thank you very much, Matt, we'll see you.

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 Item CFR250010, Julie.

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 Good evening, Julie Wyatt, I'm presenting the Ryan High School replat.

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 This property is located in the east part of town on the north side of McKinney and

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 east of May Hill.

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 The purpose of the replat is to add some additional property to the Ryan High School campus to

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 accommodate the updated transportation facility as well as some changes to the campus.

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 They do have some items that they need to resolve in order for staff to recommend approval,

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 so we are recommending denial, however, we have no objection to the requested extension

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 to the May 14th meeting.

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 Seeing no questions, we'll see you at the meeting.

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 Thank you.

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 That brings us to item DV250023.

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 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission.

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 This is V250023, a subdivision variance for Harris Ranch Industrial Plat.

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 This project is located west of I-35 and approximately 1700 feet south of Loop 288.

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 This subdivision variance is associated with the development of 84 acres for future industrial

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 use.

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 The industrial project has undergone their zoning compliance plan and staff has approved

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 that.

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 They have not come forward with the plat just yet, as they are wanting to come forward with

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 this subdivision variance before they prepare that plat.

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 If it is approved, you would see that plat before this body as well.

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 This subdivision variance is specifically to allow two proposed lots that are highlighted

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 in yellow to take access off public access easements rather than public streets.

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 The DDC does allow for this if the area between the lots and the street is already developed.

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 In this case, it is not already developed, which is why they are requesting this variance.

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 They are requesting it due to ownership considerations.

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 The whole outlined area in red in the upper left graphic is owned by the same owner, Mr.

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 Harris, today.

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 He wishes to retain ownership of the yellow portions, which is a gas well pad site and

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 a communications pad site.

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 The rest of this portion, the 84 acres, would be developed for industrial use, so this variance

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 would allow these lots to take access off and access easement as they do already today.

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 Staff is recommending approval, and I will stand for any questions.

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 I will have a longer presentation in the main session.

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 Questions on this?

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 I don't see any.

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 Thank you, Erin.

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 Do all the commissioners know about what a subdivision variance is about?

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 We've had training in the past, but is there something particularly you want us to address?

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 No, I just wasn't sure if this was meant to calculate.

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 That brings us to our public hearings.

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 The first one is Z250005, doubleheader with Matt, this evening.

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 Good evening, commission, Matt Bourdine, assistant planner, here to present a rezoning request

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 for the new Denton Fire Station 6.

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 So in summary, this is a request to rezone approximately three acres of land from a planned

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 development district to our public facilities district.

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 The property is located in the south part of Denton off of Teasley Lane and Hunters Creek

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 Road.

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 It is important to note that this is for the purpose of developing Fire Station 6.

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 City Council did approve the purchase of this land specifically for a new Fire Station facility

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 in December of 2023.

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 This request does advance the Denton 2040 plan, is found to be aligned with the future

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 land use map.

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 Staff is recommending approval of this request.

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 I have a longer presentation, but here to answer any questions.

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 I don't see any, thank you, Matt.

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 And then our second public hearing, DCA 24-0011.

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 Good evening, commission, Bryce Bannersdale, assistant planner.

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 This is DCA 24-0011, related to the addition of commercial animal services to the land

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 use categories within the Denton Development Code.

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 Currently, most domestic animal related land uses will fall under either the kennel land

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 use definition or the personal service general land use definition.

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 However, as we continue to monitor market development, we often see multiple businesses

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 under or multiple uses under the same business.

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 So for instance, we may see a doggy daycare, which also offers overnight boarding, training

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 services, as well as grooming.

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 With that, we are proposing two definitions tonight.

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 They are the same definition with differentiations between indoor and outdoor uses based on the

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 percentage of the business, which is located as an outdoor component.

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 We did bring this back to the commission in September of last year, and due to some noticing

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 requirements, we wanted to make sure that the city was meeting.

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 We're back at this meeting for that reason.

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 With our first round of noticing, we did have four responses, one in favor, three in opposition.

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 And I say that because with this round of noticing, we received no responses at all.

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 The responses in opposition were largely related to the verbiage in the state mandated 929 notice,

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 and I do have a slide with that if the commission would like to see it.

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 It's a little bit heavy handed and generally lose the fact that they may lose the ability

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 to operate their business.

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 It's not what we're intending with this.

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 We are allowing these businesses to continue their operation as they are today, and we're

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 not asking anybody to shut down or change the way they operate.

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 We do introduce some use of civic standards, and this will allow the city to better address

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 some of these new businesses as they come into the city.

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 I'll stand for any questions.

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 Commissioner Dyer.

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 How did you know?

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 So when you talked about the current businesses that are operating that this language affects,

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 but not really affects, because you said they're going to continue to operate, are they going

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 to be like grandfathered in, and would there be a possibility if they had to change something

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 with their business that then they would be required to meet the guidelines of this new

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 language?

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 Sure.

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 So any expansions, we will ask that the businesses come into compliance with these regulations

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 that we're proposing.

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 There are several businesses that are being deemed as conforming based on our ordinance.

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 I believe there's nine of those, and I do have a list, and it's in my presentation later.

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 I'm happy to go to that, actually.

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 So any expansions will be, they'll need to comply with our current zoning restrictions.

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 However, the way they operate today, we're not going to change anything.

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 We're not asking them to stop operating or anything along those lines.

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 And I can show you the verbiage real quick here.

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 This is state mandated down to the font, the boldness, and the size of the text.

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 So they get a letter that has this big block of text in the middle.

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 It's pretty scary.

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 It's a little bit heavy-handed and doesn't communicate effectively what we're actually

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 trying to propose.

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 Sorry, Commissioner Biggs?

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 So this is just to kind of clear up language, but they're still conforming or is there non-conforming

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 uses?

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 Sure.

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 So there are going to be some that are non-conforming.

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 The ones that are listed in the ordinance, and I believe I have that, I can have that

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 ready for the meeting.

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 The difference in conforming and non-conforming is that non-conforming businesses are able

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 to continue in perpetuity, but they are not able to expand without coming into conformance.

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 Additionally, if a conforming business were to become destroyed or torn down for some

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 reason through an act of God, whether, they are able to rebuild their business back.

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 And that threshold is at 50%.

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 So if more than 50% of the business is torn down, a non-conforming business is not able

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 to reconstruct.

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 Okay.

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 Now I'm just curious how many that would affect.

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 Oh, sure.

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 I was going to say, Bryce pretty much summarized it.

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 With respect to non-conforming businesses, remember, when a business is operating in

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 conformance and the city later changes the rules associated with it, sometimes the changing

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 of the rules will make them non-conforming.

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 When we make them non-conforming, then there's a whole nother set of provisions that kick

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 in that limit the ability to make alterations to the site.

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 As Bryce addressed in our ordinance, if a business is non-conforming, they're not allowed

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 to be able to expand that non-conforming use and are limited to the changes they can make

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 to the site.

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 So as he noted in the draft ordinance in your packet, the ordinance includes a list of the

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 businesses that we are declaring as would continue to remain conforming.

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 So that way if they ever wanted to make any modifications to their property, they would

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 be able to do so.

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 Yeah.

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 So I know it's in the ordinance, but if there's a way just to list out which one of those

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 are in the non-conforming, but continuing to be able to operate as is for the benefit

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 of the public and all, sometimes it gets confusing between conformity versus legality of continuing,

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 right?

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 Sure.

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 I can add a slide for that.

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 Okay.

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 Any other questions?

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 I'm not seeing any.

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 Thank you, Bryce.

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 That brings us to our one work session item.

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 If I can find the right page.

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 PZ25-102.

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 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give stack direction on proposed land uses along

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 380.

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 Good evening.

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 Erin Stanley, assistant planner.

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 So this item is a corridor study for US 380 or a portion of it, and I will just first

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 go over a quick agenda.

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 It is a more lengthy presentation.

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 So first we're going to cover why we're here, why we're looking at this specific corridor,

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 and then give a summary of existing conditions.

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 Next I will present our staff's proposed future land use designation recommendation, and then

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 we will get into the discussion portion.

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 So why we are here.

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 So today we're here to evaluate an approximately one-mile-long corridor on the east side of

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 town along US 380.

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 It's circled here in yellow on this map to kind of orient you.

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 It is about half a mile east of Giesling Road and extending east towards the Elm Fork-Trinity

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 River.

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 You might be wondering why we're looking at just this smaller portion rather than the

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 whole segment of US 380.

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 This area, the subject area was part of the northeast plan, the northeast area plan when

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 we did have that, and that was put on hold indefinitely due to community feedback.

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 But this specific area, still staff has been receiving inquiries for development that do

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 not match the future land use designation, and we thought this was needed to evaluate

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 a bit closer.

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 It is also an area that's designated in the comprehensive plan as a gateway area for staff

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 to look a bit closer at.

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 So the feedback that we are requesting today is to consider if it is appropriate to change

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 the future land use designation in this area considering the existing conditions both within

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 the city and within the ETJ just outside of this area since it does border some city property

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 and ETJ property pretty closely over here.

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 So to zoom in a bit closer, the area we're looking at here, you'll see it's half the

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 mile east of Giesling extending to the river, and the subject area is approximately one

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 mile long.

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 To the north and south, it extends approximately 250 feet north and south of the right-of-way.

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 So if you're thinking of a football field that's about 83 yards to the north and south,

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 it's a pretty long and narrow corridor.

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 It was annexed in the 1960s and '70s, and most of this area, as you can see in this

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 aerial, is either residential or undeveloped today.

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 And then we do see a few pockets of other uses which we will get into.

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 Today we have a mix of future land use designations in the area.

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 You see rural areas for both the north and south on the eastern portion, some low residential

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 and some light industrial in the area, and then we do see a variety of zoning districts

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 which we will get into.

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 So to go over the first part in yellow, this is zoned residential two today.

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 So since annexation, this has been in a rural state or in a rural zoning district, and it's

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 transitioned to residential two today.

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 This property is mostly vacant and residential.

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 We see those smaller single-family homes on some of these properties.

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 The next part I will point out is this teal color.

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 This today is general office.

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 Since its annexation, it was formally residential, and in 2021 was rezoned to general office.

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 The request initially came forward as a light industrial request, and the Planning and Zoning

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 Commission at the time, through those negotiations when it went before Planning and Zoning Commission,

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 general office was seen as a better fit for this area.

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 In the sort of pinkish-purple color, you have mixed-use neighborhood.

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 This was, when it was annexed, was originally residential like the other property around

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 here and transitioned to general retail in 1989, transitioning with our current code

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 to that mixed-use neighborhood, and this property today is undeveloped agricultural land, similar

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 to that teal color, that general office property just to the north.

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 The last one I will point out is this brownish color.

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 Just south of the subject area here, this is the city limits portion.

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 All the colored portion here that's not the light blue is within the city limits.

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 This brownish color was annexed into a plan development, a residential plan development.

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 In 2002, it was taken out of that plan development into a neighborhood residential four and transitioned

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 today to residential four.

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 Much of this brown color is undeveloped today, but just south of it, we do have some existing

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 single-family residences down Lakeview Boulevard there, and there has been recent development

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 interest to continue this residential pattern in this area.

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 This slide shows the existing conditions of the area.

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 You'll notice that there's a few different uses, but the primary use is this residential,

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 it's hard to tell with the colors, but sort of a light tan color and some vacant property

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 within the corridor area.

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 And then the other uses we see are industrial and commercial pockets in the ETJ that sort

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 of extend with their driveways that cross through city limits.

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 So the first one to talk about is this Greenbelt Business Park.

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 We see a variety of commercial uses here from personal service uses, offices, some general

00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:58.400
 retail.

00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:04.120
 And then to the south of the corridor, we do have some industrial uses here with high-impact

00:20:04.120 --> 00:20:07.160
 manufacturing and self-service storage.

00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.640
 These are both outside of city limits in the ETJ.

00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.780
 It's sort of a little hard to see, but it's the dashed black line sort of designates where

00:20:15.780 --> 00:20:21.240
 it is, and there's labels as well here, where is ETJ and where is city limits.

00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:26.520
 So the corridor plus this vacant area would be city limits, and then these industrial

00:20:26.520 --> 00:20:31.400
 and commercial areas are technically outside of the city, but still important to consider

00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:33.800
 in this discussion.

00:20:33.800 --> 00:20:38.380
 And then as I mentioned previously, there is that residential area that exists off Lake

00:20:38.380 --> 00:20:44.920
 View that is zoned Residential 4.

00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:51.080
 So mobility, US 380 is designated as a freeway.

00:20:51.080 --> 00:20:55.280
 It is a textile roadway, six lanes, divided freeway.

00:20:55.280 --> 00:21:00.120
 And it does have sidewalks on both the north and south side of the corridor within this

00:21:00.120 --> 00:21:02.080
 subject area.

00:21:02.080 --> 00:21:07.160
 It does serve as the largest and most direct east-west regional connector between Denton

00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:09.820
 and the municipalities to the east.

00:21:09.820 --> 00:21:14.800
 In the upper right-hand corner, that map with the yellow highlighted area does show how

00:21:14.800 --> 00:21:23.080
 this would be a very easy area to navigate from I-35 all the way going east towards all

00:21:23.080 --> 00:21:27.360
 of the neighboring cities to the east.

00:21:27.360 --> 00:21:32.600
 And it does staff, in doing this analysis and this research, we compared the different

00:21:32.600 --> 00:21:38.440
 parts of US 380 to really see how much traffic this study area receives.

00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:42.320
 We found that it does receive even more than the Razor Ranch area.

00:21:42.320 --> 00:21:50.000
 Razor Ranch sees in 2022, NCT Cog, their data showed that Razor Ranch was over 40,000 trips

00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:56.120
 per day, and this subject area was over 46,000.

00:21:56.120 --> 00:22:00.080
 There also are some major improvements that are projected in the area.

00:22:00.080 --> 00:22:07.000
 So future Loop 288 and the US 380 connector is a planned project by TxDOT.

00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:12.720
 It is anticipated to start in the next few years, but probably not anticipated completion

00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.880
 until 2035.

00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:22.400
 And this will be, as you see in this bottom map, this dashed black connector here to streamline

00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:28.320
 this connection from US 380 to 288, ultimately all the way to 35.

00:22:28.320 --> 00:22:35.760
 And this improvement is anticipated to increase trips per day drastically, up to over 80,000

00:22:35.760 --> 00:22:39.200
 trips per day in the subject area by 2050.

00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:43.560
 There could be additional improvements by TxDOT in the subject area.

00:22:43.560 --> 00:22:49.880
 You'll see in the next few slides where this connector project stops and where the subject

00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:57.040
 area begins, TxDOT has expressed there could be improvements in that area in the future,

00:22:57.040 --> 00:22:59.080
 but that is not planned yet.

00:22:59.080 --> 00:23:06.040
 So to look a little bit about TxDOT's very draft schematics, this is not set in stone.

00:23:06.040 --> 00:23:07.840
 Things could change.

00:23:07.840 --> 00:23:13.840
 This what you see, you'll see 288 and 380, where that connector will connect those two

00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:15.720
 roadways.

00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:21.700
 This will be a raised elevated freeway with no frontage roads.

00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:29.520
 And at Gisling Road is where 380 and the connector will sort of combine, and the orange will

00:23:29.520 --> 00:23:32.600
 stay as that elevated freeway.

00:23:32.600 --> 00:23:39.200
 And on the sides, you see a bit more here, those green frontage roads that would go along

00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:43.800
 the businesses just off of 380 and Gisling at the corner.

00:23:43.800 --> 00:23:49.920
 And continuing up to the subject area outlined in pink, that would be, as we know, 380 today

00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:55.000
 until TxDOT makes any future improvements.

00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:59.200
 So here just continuing along that corridor would be the subject area.

00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:04.940
 Again, TxDOT may come through and make future improvements to this area.

00:24:04.940 --> 00:24:10.440
 We do have Chandra here to speak on any of that if you have questions, but with no definite

00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:15.480
 plans yet, it's hard to imagine what that might look like.

00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:23.160
 So to quickly summarize these considerations, this is a gateway into Denton from Collin

00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:24.160
 County.

00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.960
 It is an important area to the city.

00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:28.620
 It also does serve as a six-lane freeway.

00:24:28.620 --> 00:24:34.200
 So it is not necessarily appropriate for residential driveways right off of 380.

00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:39.780
 In 2002, over 46,000 vehicles passed through in a day.

00:24:39.780 --> 00:24:43.220
 It's a very, very trafficked roadway.

00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:48.400
 Much of the corridor is vacant or has driveways into commercial and industrial uses in the

00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:49.400
 ETJ.

00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:54.540
 And it's unlikely to develop as rural residential or agriculture, which is what the current

00:24:54.540 --> 00:24:58.200
 future land use map designates it for today.

00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:01.120
 Staff also did meet with several other departments.

00:25:01.120 --> 00:25:07.320
 We met with economic development, with sustainability, transportation, sat in on TxDOT meetings.

00:25:07.320 --> 00:25:12.560
 So there was a lot of collaboration in coming up with our recommendations, which we will

00:25:12.560 --> 00:25:15.560
 get into.

00:25:15.560 --> 00:25:20.120
 So currently, we have that low residential, light industrial, and rural areas.

00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:25.420
 Staff is recommending to update these future land use designations to a majority of light

00:25:25.420 --> 00:25:32.560
 industrial for the corridor, for the eastern portion and the portion north of Lakeview

00:25:32.560 --> 00:25:37.440
 Boulevard, and then just south of the corridor near Lakeview Boulevard would be community

00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.400
 mixed use.

00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:47.000
 To get into these designations, so the light industrial future land use designation is

00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:52.200
 intended for those light industrial uses, but also does include those supporting uses

00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.720
 such as offices, retail, and restaurants.

00:25:55.720 --> 00:26:01.560
 This area should also, by the Comprehensive Plan, have adequate access to infrastructure,

00:26:01.560 --> 00:26:06.840
 including the transportation network, which staff does believe this would satisfy those

00:26:06.840 --> 00:26:08.240
 needs.

00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.800
 It's consistent with the current development pattern of already seeing light industrial

00:26:11.800 --> 00:26:18.880
 uses in the area and adjacent just to the west of the study area, and would consider

00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.720
 the 380 roadway design and improvements.

00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:27.200
 So some of these zoning districts that we could see aligned with this future land use

00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:32.160
 designation would be those light industrial districts, but also general office and suburban

00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:38.080
 corridor that would offer that more commercial development.

00:26:38.080 --> 00:26:43.560
 And then the community mixed use designation that we are recommending for the southwest

00:26:43.560 --> 00:26:50.840
 corner of the subject area is intended to remain predominantly commercial, but where

00:26:50.840 --> 00:26:54.600
 residential service or other uses could be complementary.

00:26:54.600 --> 00:27:00.320
 This future land use designation really is intended for a mix of uses and is intended

00:27:00.320 --> 00:27:04.160
 to complement and embrace existing uses.

00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:09.520
 So the reason staff would be recommending this is due to that residential development

00:27:09.520 --> 00:27:15.440
 that we already do see here, and we do anticipate just south of this area, with it being residential

00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:20.080
 for there already is that residential interest for development.

00:27:20.080 --> 00:27:24.920
 This use is also intended to create that sense of place and support the existing uses.

00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:29.160
 And some of the zoning districts that could align would be suburban corridor or mixed

00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.920
 use regional.

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:39.400
 There is just a clip of that vacant and residential area that we do see south of where Lakeview

00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:41.740
 meets 380.

00:27:41.740 --> 00:27:46.840
 This future land use designation and the zoning districts associated with it would really

00:27:46.840 --> 00:27:52.320
 provide that buffer from industrial uses and traffic along 380 and provide those neighborhood

00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:59.180
 services that would be appropriate to serve those residential uses.

00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:03.000
 So with that, we are requesting your feedback.

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:07.680
 Next steps would be neighborhood engagement to reach out to these property owners and

00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:13.280
 discuss with them some of the ones that already have come forward to staff with development

00:28:13.280 --> 00:28:14.280
 interests.

00:28:14.280 --> 00:28:18.460
 We'd like to hear from them of this discussion, but we would indeed reach out to the others

00:28:18.460 --> 00:28:19.840
 as well.

00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:25.440
 And then staff would come forward if this body supported this with a future land use

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:30.880
 map amendment to planning zoning commission and then to city council at a later date.

00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:35.600
 But I am happy to answer any questions and receive feedback.

00:28:35.600 --> 00:28:37.560
 Thank you, Erin.

00:28:37.560 --> 00:28:44.160
 Before we get really rolling, one thing I didn't hear was any background and the requirements

00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:49.720
 on gaining access to property through a different zoning district.

00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:54.320
 I recall there were some modifications we made to the code to require that.

00:28:54.320 --> 00:28:57.360
 And then I think that has some bearing here.

00:28:57.360 --> 00:29:00.160
 So if you could try to talk through that, that would help.

00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:01.160
 Yes.

00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:06.080
 So Tina can correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that that requirement

00:29:06.080 --> 00:29:11.520
 that you do have to access your use through a zoning district that allows the use was

00:29:11.520 --> 00:29:19.760
 created with the 2019 code after the establishment of these uses, or at least it was after these

00:29:19.760 --> 00:29:20.760
 uses.

00:29:20.760 --> 00:29:21.760
 Yeah.

00:29:21.760 --> 00:29:26.320
 Actually, we made that amendment a couple of years ago because it was just an adopted

00:29:26.320 --> 00:29:31.120
 practice that stemmed from properties within the ETJ taking access through our properties

00:29:31.120 --> 00:29:32.960
 that were within the city limits.

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.080
 But Erin's correct.

00:29:34.080 --> 00:29:38.620
 Right now it's now codified in our development code for that purpose.

00:29:38.620 --> 00:29:44.160
 And these uses are also within the ETJ, so it is a bit trickier there, but that would

00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:51.840
 still be our current regulation.

00:29:51.840 --> 00:29:55.760
 Questions?

00:29:55.760 --> 00:29:57.940
 Commissioner Riggs.

00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:02.720
 So we're talking about doing the mixed use and the residential could go in that area

00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:03.720
 as well.

00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:08.640
 I assume they would not be able to add any more driveway access to 380, or they'd have

00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:14.840
 to come off of Trinity or Lakeview?

00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:20.280
 They would need to meet all spacing separation distances, so it's likely those would come

00:30:20.280 --> 00:30:21.880
 off of Lakeview.

00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:28.480
 I think that the spacing is pretty far along a freeway for sure, and so likely that you

00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.600
 would see them off of Lakeview, but once those came forward, they could review that with

00:30:32.600 --> 00:30:35.080
 text dot if they meet spacing distances.

00:30:35.080 --> 00:30:36.080
 Okay.

00:30:36.080 --> 00:30:37.080
 Thank you.

00:30:37.080 --> 00:30:44.080
 Commissioner Dyer.

00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:51.080
 So the reason for the light industrial is, is Denton in need of that, having more of

00:30:51.080 --> 00:30:52.080
 that zoning?

00:30:52.080 --> 00:30:57.800
 Like are you running out of space that you're seeing that developers are requesting more

00:30:57.800 --> 00:30:59.680
 light industrial?

00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:06.080
 I guess my concern is putting light industrial where there's a lot of residential area, and

00:31:06.080 --> 00:31:12.440
 if you've already got the one little section for office, like why that wouldn't just, you

00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:18.480
 know, office or retail, you know, kind of wouldn't just get expanded.

00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:23.360
 So let's see which one.

00:31:23.360 --> 00:31:29.840
 So the uses in this area, most of the residential that we do see is further back to the north

00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:37.100
 and south within the ETJ, and staff doesn't recommend or expect the residential directly

00:31:37.100 --> 00:31:41.060
 along US 380 to continue.

00:31:41.060 --> 00:31:49.160
 So we don't anticipate the residential in the rear portions off of the corridor to necessarily

00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:54.240
 go away, but we wouldn't see those, those remaining within the corridor itself.

00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.080
 No, I mean, I agree.

00:31:56.080 --> 00:31:59.200
 Like that's probably not a good space to put residential.

00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:06.080
 I'm just curious why light industrial over something, something else that is not residential,

00:32:06.080 --> 00:32:10.760
 but would be a little bit better transition to residential.

00:32:10.760 --> 00:32:13.440
 Do you want me to help him?

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.440
 Sure.

00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:15.440
 Go ahead.

00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:16.440
 So great question.

00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:22.440
 So we, we studied this area quite a bit looking at what are our options under our comprehensive

00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.440
 plan.

00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.480
 So I'm going from memory, I don't have the document in front of me.

00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:31.360
 So Erin and Julie, correct me if I'm wrong on this, but you know, our options that we

00:32:31.360 --> 00:32:34.480
 have in the comp plan are we've got our light industrial designation.

00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.560
 Actually, we've got a more heavy industrial, but we felt like that was not appropriate

00:32:38.560 --> 00:32:39.560
 in this area.

00:32:39.560 --> 00:32:41.160
 So we've got light industrial.

00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:46.440
 We also have a suburban quarter land use recommendation that we have.

00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:51.320
 We also have one that is referred to as business center.

00:32:51.320 --> 00:32:53.680
 Chair Perot might remember it as business innovation.

00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.280
 We made some adjustments to it to try and better define what we mean by business center.

00:32:58.280 --> 00:33:05.360
 It's truly more employment, campus employment type uses being associated with that.

00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:12.720
 So in looking at more of our commercial land use designations, we felt like really those

00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:13.720
 are the ones that we're working with.

00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:15.760
 I guess Julie, am I leaving any of them out?

00:33:15.760 --> 00:33:16.760
 Okay.

00:33:16.760 --> 00:33:17.760
 Okay.

00:33:17.760 --> 00:33:20.120
 In terms of ones in this area, yeah.

00:33:20.120 --> 00:33:21.120
 Okay.

00:33:21.120 --> 00:33:22.120
 Okay.

00:33:22.120 --> 00:33:24.560
 So because like the neighborhood commercial type recommendations would not be appropriate

00:33:24.560 --> 00:33:25.560
 for this area.

00:33:25.560 --> 00:33:29.980
 So yeah, we look at what we had available in our comprehensive plan, doing the evaluation

00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:33.920
 of the existing conditions that are out there, thinking about longer term, what might be

00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:38.800
 appropriate and then also the fact that we do have 380 there.

00:33:38.800 --> 00:33:42.680
 We felt like it was not appropriate, hold on a second, excuse me.

00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:48.360
 We felt like it was not appropriate to establish that suburban quarter designation in the area

00:33:48.360 --> 00:33:54.320
 because we could anticipate that happening in areas maybe further west into town.

00:33:54.320 --> 00:34:01.040
 And particularly in the areas that are closer to like loop 288 and US 380.

00:34:01.040 --> 00:34:04.880
 Given the distance that we have from this area to the west, you know, could we have

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.720
 other pockets be more appropriate for that designation?

00:34:08.720 --> 00:34:09.760
 Possibly so.

00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.160
 But given the residential uses that exist today as well as some of the other businesses,

00:34:13.160 --> 00:34:17.880
 at least in that small portion that's on the Southwest quadrant, we felt like the community

00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:23.640
 mixed use designation would be most appropriate if uses were to change within near that intersection

00:34:23.640 --> 00:34:26.680
 of North Trinity and 380.

00:34:26.680 --> 00:34:30.320
 You know, everything else within that quarter, given what we've got, especially with some

00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.960
 of the industrial uses that are there, that's where we felt the light industrial designation

00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:38.360
 would be more appropriate and then also evaluating those zoning districts that are in alignment

00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:39.360
 with it.

00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.020
 Do we have a shortage of light industrial zoning in town?

00:34:43.020 --> 00:34:44.020
 Probably not.

00:34:44.020 --> 00:34:47.280
 Just given that we've got light industrial zoning elsewhere in the communities where

00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.000
 it meets those particular needs and those areas of the community.

00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:56.000
 So hence why we are looking at, okay, what might be most appropriate in this area?

00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:02.800
 Keep in mind, this is a future land use planning exercise, so policy 30,000 foot level consideration

00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:03.800
 here.

00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:08.200
 If we were doing actual zoning of the quarter, then we would get much more granular in looking

00:35:08.200 --> 00:35:12.960
 at, okay, what are the, not just the zoning districts that would be appropriate for the

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.360
 area, but then are there additional standards that might need to be able to come into play?

00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:21.040
 But from a land use standpoint, given the existing conditions, kind of knowing the future

00:35:21.040 --> 00:35:26.880
 that how this quarter could evolve, as well as areas north and south, if they were eventually

00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:31.840
 to annex in the city, given those uses that are there, that's where we landed on these

00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:33.280
 land use recommendations.

00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:38.160
 So we're looking to see, do you concur with our analysis and where we landed?

00:35:38.160 --> 00:35:41.480
 If you think that what we've come up with is not appropriate, would love to hear that

00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:42.480
 as well.

00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:48.760
 But I'll acknowledge that this is a challenging area to try and ascertain, okay, as we look

00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:53.360
 to the future, what types of uses might be appropriate in this area, given the existing

00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.920
 conditions that are there, but also where the area might be evolving.

00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:04.440
 I would just add to go off your question of why we didn't extend the community mixed use

00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.440
 further into this.

00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:11.080
 So some of those existing uses, like Tina was saying, that they are already commercial

00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:16.840
 industrial uses, they also are a bit more intense uses that we, the light industrial

00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:18.760
 might sort of balance that out.

00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:23.980
 It does provide those industrial uses, but also allows for restaurants and office and

00:36:23.980 --> 00:36:31.120
 commercial uses that would kind of bridge the gap between some of those residential

00:36:31.120 --> 00:36:37.560
 areas and the current heavier industrial that we see in the area today.

00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:42.040
 Will you be sharing that beautiful little grid that has all the different zones and

00:36:42.040 --> 00:36:43.720
 all the things you can put in there?

00:36:43.720 --> 00:36:50.280
 Because it's not, it wasn't in the packet, and so will that, will we see that in the...

00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.160
 So that's normally, we'll provide that typically when we have a rezoning request.

00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:57.720
 If you feel that that's additional information, I'm like, Erin's got a whole bunch of slides

00:36:57.720 --> 00:37:00.020
 buried since she had that already.

00:37:00.020 --> 00:37:05.960
 For me, it's just helpful to see that information and what all goes into these different zoning

00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:06.960
 areas.

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:07.960
 Right.

00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.520
 So keep in mind, you have your land use categories as provided for in the Conference of Plans.

00:37:12.520 --> 00:37:17.800
 So we have one that actually has the same name as of a zoning district that we have.

00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:21.960
 But before we get into some of this deeper analysis, Erin, can you go back to your two

00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:26.840
 slides that speak to the zoning districts that we typically view as in alignment with

00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.560
 the land use category recommendations?

00:37:29.560 --> 00:37:30.560
 Yes.

00:37:30.560 --> 00:37:34.880
 So keep in mind, we're talking land use category, higher level, and then we have a series of

00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:39.520
 zoning districts that we view are consistent with those land use designations, right?

00:37:39.520 --> 00:37:45.200
 So I just want to have Erin go back over these here for the light industrial and then also

00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:47.600
 for the community mixed use.

00:37:47.600 --> 00:37:48.600
 Okay.

00:37:48.600 --> 00:37:49.600
 Thank you.

00:37:49.600 --> 00:37:50.600
 That might help.

00:37:50.600 --> 00:37:53.760
 And then if you want to look at those use tables, then we can look at that as well.

00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.440
 But I just want to kind of help paint that picture for you.

00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:58.440
 Okay.

00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.440
 Yes.

00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.440
 And I can go ahead and kind of summarize some of them.

00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:06.880
 So in light industrial future land use designation, we would typically see, and this is not a

00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:12.920
 comprehensive list, as any developer came forward with a rezoning request, we would

00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.000
 do a full evaluation.

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:20.960
 But these are the typical ones we see associated with future land use light industrial, would

00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:26.360
 be that light industrial zoning district, general office, and suburban corridor.

00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:34.560
 Some of the uses, so you'd see things like general retail, car washes, I can kind of

00:38:34.560 --> 00:38:38.600
 name a few, self-service storage.

00:38:38.600 --> 00:38:44.760
 These are typical things that we would see with light industrial.

00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:51.600
 In addition to all of the sort of warehouse uses, restaurants could be approved.

00:38:51.600 --> 00:38:56.200
 That would be a quick summary there.

00:38:56.200 --> 00:39:00.680
 And then for community mixed use, we would typically see suburban corridor and mixed

00:39:00.680 --> 00:39:02.580
 use regional.

00:39:02.580 --> 00:39:08.200
 And again, this future land use does say that residential could be appropriate, so it makes

00:39:08.200 --> 00:39:14.560
 sense having that nearby residential, but this is more services for residential uses.

00:39:14.560 --> 00:39:21.840
 So again, your restaurants, your offices, your medical office, or your small office

00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.960
 space, things in that alignment.

00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.960
 And I'm happy to go through that table that I pulled up.

00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:33.640
 It's just a little, it's hard to navigate through considering many different zoning

00:39:33.640 --> 00:39:34.640
 districts.

00:39:34.640 --> 00:39:44.800
 I was going to say, while she's pulling those up, because of the interest that we have from

00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:50.240
 property owners in this area, we're trying to help them identify a path forward.

00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:55.320
 The alternative to this analysis that we've done is those property owners would come in

00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:01.160
 one at a time and submit future land use map requests one at a time, and you would evaluate

00:40:01.160 --> 00:40:02.320
 those applications.

00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:08.060
 And so we felt it was appropriate to look at this one mile stretch more holistically

00:40:08.060 --> 00:40:15.120
 to be able to see and get your assistance on what would be appropriate to see in this

00:40:15.120 --> 00:40:19.120
 quarter because then that helps us later on with these property owners and helping them

00:40:19.120 --> 00:40:23.240
 get that path forward.

00:40:23.240 --> 00:40:28.920
 At this time, if we find some concurrence with respect to our land use recommendations,

00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:33.280
 we then subsequently would go ahead and do a map amendment to our future land use map

00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.540
 and run that through the public hearing process after doing some additional engagement as

00:40:36.540 --> 00:40:40.720
 Aaron pointed to, but then we would allow these applicants to come in with their individual

00:40:40.720 --> 00:40:45.000
 zoning requests at whatever time that they are ready to.

00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.040
 We are not looking to rezone this area of the quarter because we want the ability for

00:40:50.040 --> 00:40:53.640
 the property owners to be able to come in and make those requests and be able to address

00:40:53.640 --> 00:40:58.600
 those finer granular level of zoning considerations at that time.

00:40:58.600 --> 00:41:05.320
 So again, we were hoping to have some discussion about those land use categories that are being

00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:10.560
 recommended and then to see if there's concurrence as to how to move forward.

00:41:10.560 --> 00:41:14.200
 Keep in mind, the status quo is an option, right?

00:41:14.200 --> 00:41:18.960
 So the status quo does not necessarily help out the property owners, but then know that

00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.960
 they will have those applications come in one at a time and we would be piecemealing

00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.320
 this together versus us trying to take a little bit more comprehensive review of this.

00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:33.360
 A couple of you may have been, I know you two were on the Teasley Lane case that we

00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.480
 had across from Denton Geyer High School.

00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:40.320
 We have an area that's kind of evolved in a property owner move forward with that zoning

00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.040
 change.

00:41:42.040 --> 00:41:46.760
 That quarter could benefit from greater analysis and what have you, so we're trying to kind

00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.720
 of find a happy medium and try to prevent maybe some of that type situation from happening

00:41:50.720 --> 00:41:56.400
 to be able to help these property owners get a path forward.

00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:02.520
 Commissioner Riggs.

00:42:02.520 --> 00:42:03.520
 So I have a question.

00:42:03.520 --> 00:42:07.480
 I think one of the things, Erin, you had in your presentation was this is a gateway from

00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.600
 Collin County into Denton County.

00:42:09.600 --> 00:42:15.720
 So I think one of the thoughts is, is do we want like a lot of mini storage or light industrial

00:42:15.720 --> 00:42:22.720
 type of uses in this gateway corridor, but I guess can you go through why this is maybe

00:42:22.720 --> 00:42:28.640
 the best land use as opposed to because we don't have like a commercial land use designation.

00:42:28.640 --> 00:42:35.560
 So I do have a design consideration slide.

00:42:35.560 --> 00:42:42.400
 So I'll just remind you that it is pretty, it's not a very deep corridor to the north

00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:43.400
 and south.

00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:48.520
 So you can kind of see some of those existing uses there today.

00:42:48.520 --> 00:42:53.660
 Some of those larger scale warehouses would not even fit in this area entirely within

00:42:53.660 --> 00:42:56.760
 city limits.

00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:02.960
 As for the gateway and keeping it beautiful and preserving what we would want to see in

00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:09.160
 a gateway to the city, within the ETJ, we don't have that land use authority to review.

00:43:09.160 --> 00:43:16.160
 So if something was pushed further back, that would already not be a consideration there.

00:43:16.160 --> 00:43:21.960
 We also do have general DDC standards for how these new businesses would need to look,

00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.820
 architectural design features, landscaping, tree preservation.

00:43:25.820 --> 00:43:33.280
 So all of that would be addressed sort of, we didn't think it was necessary to make it

00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:43.740
 corridor specific since we do have those standards within the DDC for all uses.

00:43:43.740 --> 00:43:50.400
 So I appreciate the information on sort of the future mobility direction that things

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.640
 are going.

00:43:52.640 --> 00:44:03.520
 I'd like to better understand how this melds with our Vision Zero components that are ongoing

00:44:03.520 --> 00:44:10.480
 and I don't want to just make too many assumptions, right?

00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:16.680
 Is it correct that right now many, if not the majority of our injury and fatality crashes

00:44:16.680 --> 00:44:24.420
 are along the high speed roadways, be it 35 and that sort of thing?

00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:41.920
 I might let Chandra answer that one.

00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:46.880
 Good afternoon, Commissioners, Farhan Bhatt, Deputy Director, Transportation Services Division.

00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:53.640
 When it comes to high injury network data that we are right now analyzing from Vision

00:44:53.640 --> 00:45:06.800
 Zero study, yes, part of I-35 segments, they have fatalities and serious incapacitating

00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:13.040
 injury crashes, but then when it comes to city streets, they are sporadic.

00:45:13.040 --> 00:45:21.180
 There are like 15 locations that we have identified across on different arterials and they are

00:45:21.180 --> 00:45:26.360
 not focused on just one corridor, but they are sporadic.

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:35.880
 Yeah, I guess when I look at this, and I appreciate how can we look at this holistically instead

00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:42.420
 of piecemeal thing, I really understand that and encourage that.

00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:55.640
 If I were to look out 20 years from now after the 288/380 connector was complete and something

00:45:55.640 --> 00:46:05.040
 had changed about this corridor, would we expect the safety of the traffic here to be

00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:10.840
 influenced by what land uses are around it?

00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:16.160
 It is always, it always will be a factor.

00:46:16.160 --> 00:46:22.960
 How much of a factor, it's still to be seen, how it shifts up.

00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:34.120
 But when it comes to fatalities and serious injury crashes on interstate, that is reviewed

00:46:34.120 --> 00:46:43.360
 and fixed by TxDOT through their road safety process, and then as we go ahead with our

00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:50.960
 Vision Zero approach, we are planning to address all these frequent crash locations, in particular

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:56.720
 fatalities and serious injury locations on city streets.

00:46:56.720 --> 00:47:02.520
 Now when the land use changes, hopefully those Vision Zero policies will be implemented by

00:47:02.520 --> 00:47:08.160
 that time, 20 years time frame for sure, and then they will bring returns when it comes

00:47:08.160 --> 00:47:13.440
 to safety within the city.

00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.280
 Okay.

00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:22.840
 Any questions, discussion?

00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:24.400
 Commissioner Patron?

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.360
 In regards to safety strategies, can you give some examples of what those strategies could

00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:29.960
 be?

00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.800
 I can broadly mention a few, but they are in process right now.

00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:42.520
 For example, first few avenues that we are looking at is our serious incapacitating injuries

00:47:42.520 --> 00:47:56.160
 and frequent fatalities, hotspots, and then we will audit those locations on priority

00:47:56.160 --> 00:48:03.000
 and fixed, and try to implement whatever findings are based on those, we will provide implementation

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.480
 solutions.

00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:09.680
 On the other side, we are also looking at posted speeds, but that is still a broad topic

00:48:09.680 --> 00:48:15.240
 because TxDOT will be playing some role in there, and then also it will be brought to

00:48:15.240 --> 00:48:18.280
 Council for further action.

00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:26.800
 And then also we are looking at urban core areas, how other modes are providing connectivity.

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:33.560
 For example, if the pedestrians are crossing these facilities safely, if they are dedicated

00:48:33.560 --> 00:48:38.560
 exclusive bike lanes, or if they are providing continuity to those bike lanes from origin

00:48:38.560 --> 00:48:49.640
 to destination, first mile, last mile, all those factors are we are considering and more.

00:48:49.640 --> 00:48:56.800
 I guess in general, is there a correlation between the speed of a roadway and whether

00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:03.200
 those crashes are more or less likely to create injuries and death?

00:49:03.200 --> 00:49:09.720
 Generally, based on previous data, yes, speed has correlation with fatalities related accidents,

00:49:09.720 --> 00:49:16.680
 but then there are in-cabin underlying causalities, there are factors that would need deeper data

00:49:16.680 --> 00:49:21.400
 interpretation and analytics, and then we could go to those, but yes, speed is directly

00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.320
 correlated with fatalities.

00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.960
 Okay, thank you.

00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:38.240
 I guess a question for Chair Pruitt, so just trying to help understand then with your line

00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:44.520
 of questioning, how does that influence then the recommendations that were coming forth

00:49:44.520 --> 00:49:47.560
 and kind of where you are thinking from that perspective?

00:49:47.560 --> 00:49:48.560
 Sure.

00:49:48.560 --> 00:49:50.040
 Yeah, I appreciate that.

00:49:50.040 --> 00:49:55.560
 I don't want to put a heavy foot down, so to speak, because I want to hear what others

00:49:55.560 --> 00:49:56.960
 are thinking.

00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:04.560
 My -- I mean, right now, as you've shown, there's a mixture of things.

00:50:04.560 --> 00:50:07.840
 Most of them are in the ATJ, et cetera.

00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:16.240
 There's people with development interests coming in, understand that.

00:50:16.240 --> 00:50:20.840
 When I look out, you know, this will be basically a connector between a freeway and a freeway,

00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:24.960
 so its future designation is freeway.

00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:30.440
 When I look at other freeway segments within our city that were developed before they became

00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:36.200
 a freeway, there's safety concerns there, right, because we have -- you have existing

00:50:36.200 --> 00:50:44.320
 landowners that had, you know, lots developed, and you can't just take their access away

00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:48.980
 and say, well, your building is worthless now.

00:50:48.980 --> 00:50:55.320
 And so because it's between those freeways, it seems like its major purpose should be

00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:59.300
 to carry lots of vehicular traffic.

00:50:59.300 --> 00:51:06.080
 When I look at the recommendations, it seems like the light industrial recommendation is

00:51:06.080 --> 00:51:15.380
 kind of a compromise between the interests in the nearby property developers have for

00:51:15.380 --> 00:51:22.920
 future development of their property and concerns about the corridor and how much turning vehicle

00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:28.920
 traffic you're going to have, because I would imagine that for most but not all light industrial

00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:35.680
 uses, right, if it's warehouses, it's primarily large truck traffic, right, but relatively

00:51:35.680 --> 00:51:38.200
 few number of vehicles.

00:51:38.200 --> 00:51:43.160
 But if it's some of the other uses, it could be, you know, car wash would have lots of

00:51:43.160 --> 00:51:45.300
 turning vehicles, et cetera.

00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:51.540
 So I understand that attempt to find a middle ground there.

00:51:51.540 --> 00:51:58.240
 The community mixed use, I understand, because it matches something that's there now, but

00:51:58.240 --> 00:52:05.200
 it doesn't make sense to me here, just because -- I'll just speak frankly, right?

00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:08.720
 People are annoyed at Razor Ranch to a certain extent, right?

00:52:08.720 --> 00:52:12.240
 I mean, we said, hey, this is this great new thing.

00:52:12.240 --> 00:52:17.920
 They got sold a bill of goods to a certain extent of the area in south Razor Ranch that

00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:24.760
 then changed hands, and I understand that whole history, but now it's a busy roadway

00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:32.120
 that operates slowly, so it's a little bit safer than some other portions of 380, but

00:52:32.120 --> 00:52:39.880
 thinking forward, if we're going to have this connector between two freeways and then approve

00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:46.520
 a lot of land use changes along there so that there's congestion, so that it slows it down,

00:52:46.520 --> 00:52:51.920
 well, maybe it's safer now, but now it's no longer facilitating that vehicular and truck

00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.920
 traffic route desire.

00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:58.760
 So yeah, that's where I am.

00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:02.120
 I'm confused, but I want to hear what others are thinking.

00:53:02.120 --> 00:53:03.520
 Does that make sense?

00:53:03.520 --> 00:53:10.760
 Are you thinking that, like, I look on 380 to the east and how I've been told that, you

00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:15.240
 know, that back in the day was just a two-lane road, and then they put it up to a four-lane

00:53:15.240 --> 00:53:20.120
 road, and almost instantly, as soon as they were done with that, they realized that still

00:53:20.120 --> 00:53:27.400
 was not enough because you have all the retail and restaurants and gas stations and grocery

00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:32.520
 stores and developments, so you have entrances into the developments and out of the developments,

00:53:32.520 --> 00:53:37.200
 and it's a hot mess when, you know, you have to head up that way.

00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:43.800
 And are you thinking we might be bringing that kind of traffic pattern to this area,

00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:45.760
 even though right now it's a six-lane?

00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:54.720
 Yeah, so I think the recommendation from staff is not that much of a hands-off, free-for-all

00:53:54.720 --> 00:54:02.240
 scary thing as what has occurred out there.

00:54:02.240 --> 00:54:06.360
 It's hard for me to evaluate, you know, if we were going to put it on a scale of danger

00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:15.200
 of becoming that versus no land use changes and we have lower risk of that sort of thing

00:54:15.200 --> 00:54:20.080
 happening, but then you also have the competing interests and the desire of landowners to

00:54:20.080 --> 00:54:24.880
 come forward and bring development applications and staff not knowing really how to support

00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:25.880
 that.

00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.880
 Does that answer your question?

00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:33.360
 Well, it was really more of a question for you, you know, and in your thought process

00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:38.520
 and what you were just saying about comparing what happened with Rayser Ranch and what this

00:54:38.520 --> 00:54:39.520
 could happen.

00:54:39.520 --> 00:54:45.880
 And, you know, I'm looking at the 2040 future land use map, and yes, right to the west of

00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:52.200
 this area, it is line industrial, and it's a pretty big chunk.

00:54:52.200 --> 00:54:58.400
 So it's kind of, I guess, just extending that to the east and kind of starting that sooner.

00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:05.160
 Yeah, I think from a mobility perspective, the difference I see there is that that chunk

00:55:05.160 --> 00:55:12.980
 is kind of on less of a freeway because that's where the bypass will have been taken off,

00:55:12.980 --> 00:55:15.360
 at least once you get to Giesling.

00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:23.960
 Yeah, I guess there's a quarter or half mile chunk between Giesling and this outlined area.

00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:28.680
 Yeah.

00:55:28.680 --> 00:55:29.680
 Commissioner Riggs.

00:55:29.680 --> 00:55:34.520
 So, Aaron, I don't know if you could, but I think that might be helpful if we could

00:55:34.520 --> 00:55:39.400
 pull up the land use map.

00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:43.840
 Yes.

00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.780
 I have it here.

00:55:46.780 --> 00:55:49.000
 You want something more zoomed in here?

00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:54.160
 Well, mainly one of the things I was thinking of was the different categories of land use.

00:55:54.160 --> 00:55:58.080
 You know, if we're talking about, you know, what would be an appropriate land use for

00:55:58.080 --> 00:56:02.040
 this area, what exactly are our options?

00:56:02.040 --> 00:56:03.040
 Okay.

00:56:03.040 --> 00:56:07.120
 So staff did land on light industrial and community mixed use.

00:56:07.120 --> 00:56:11.360
 I can go through some of the others that we considered for this.

00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:16.840
 So I was going to say, Aaron, if you need to, maybe we can pull up on the internet.

00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.240
 We've got our Denton 2040 plan, and Julie can tell us the page number of the tables

00:56:21.240 --> 00:56:25.280
 that have all the different land use categories.

00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.920
 Okay.

00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.240
 I don't know if it'd be helpful to read it as well.

00:56:30.240 --> 00:56:34.400
 Well, I was going to say, yeah, why don't you go to the page that she's pulled you to

00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:38.160
 and then pull that up there, and then we can at least go over the different categories.

00:56:38.160 --> 00:56:41.920
 And then if there are certain ones that we need to go into a little deeper dive, we can

00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:42.920
 on those.

00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:48.200
 If you would rather have Julie explain them, we can, you know, pull Julie into the conversation

00:56:48.200 --> 00:56:49.200
 as well.

00:56:49.200 --> 00:56:51.520
 So she's our comprehensive plan queen.

00:56:51.520 --> 00:56:52.520
 So.

00:56:52.520 --> 00:56:59.040
 And the reason I ask is I have the land up too, and I'm looking at the legend, and I'm

00:56:59.040 --> 00:57:03.320
 really not seeing another land use that seemed like it would really be a good fit.

00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:07.360
 So I think when we're talking about our options, that would be really helpful.

00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.040
 And I have slides on several of them as well.

00:57:10.040 --> 00:57:13.920
 So I'll kind of skip over some that are not appropriate.

00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.920
 I think we're all under the same.

00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:19.560
 Or I would just say kind of just quickly show the evolution of the uses, kind of how they're

00:57:19.560 --> 00:57:24.560
 in there, because we haven't done our comprehensive plan boot camp yet, so there might be some

00:57:24.560 --> 00:57:26.840
 benefit for just kind of walking through them.

00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:30.520
 But then to your point, we can do a deeper dive on the ones that would be more appropriate.

00:57:30.520 --> 00:57:31.520
 Okay.

00:57:31.520 --> 00:57:37.560
 So agriculture for those pretty self-explanatory agricultural uses, rural areas, which is what

00:57:37.560 --> 00:57:42.120
 we do already see, and that is one that I had a slide on as well.

00:57:42.120 --> 00:57:44.880
 So I'll just show that real quick.

00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:51.480
 So rural areas, we would typically see associated with rural residential zoning district.

00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:56.120
 For those farms and ranches, it can have residential as well, but that's looking at one unit per

00:57:56.120 --> 00:57:57.120
 five acres.

00:57:57.120 --> 00:58:01.720
 So much larger lot somewhere even seen out there today.

00:58:01.720 --> 00:58:06.960
 And then going back through their low residential, we see that in the corridor already.

00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.980
 There's some of that today.

00:58:09.980 --> 00:58:17.080
 So also up to five units per acre could have some of those very smaller supporting uses,

00:58:17.080 --> 00:58:18.080
 but mostly residential.

00:58:18.080 --> 00:58:22.760
 And that's your typical single family residential subdivisions that you see throughout the community.

00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:25.840
 Well, and I'll just jump in there too.

00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:29.360
 Currently, the land use is low residential.

00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:30.360
 Yes.

00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:36.840
 And so to put to your point on a safety concern is because it is so narrow, it seems like

00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:42.160
 if you're going to develop that as low residential, then every one of those lots would have to

00:58:42.160 --> 00:58:45.400
 have a driveway access on the 380.

00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.360
 And I can see that as being a big concern.

00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:57.480
 Yeah, certainly it's also unlikely, I think.

00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:05.960
 Part of the reason I asked for some background on the code requirement that a use that gains

00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:15.040
 access through another property that it must have a zoning designation that allows that

00:59:15.040 --> 00:59:23.600
 same use is because I see the future land use map here and the zoning, whatever zoning

00:59:23.600 --> 00:59:29.840
 happens in the future as really guarding not what happens within 250 feet, but what happens

00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:30.840
 beyond that.

00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:31.840
 Right?

00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:38.240
 If you've got a landowner either in the ETJ or the city who wants to put up use M in order

00:59:38.240 --> 00:59:47.000
 to gain access to 380, that use would have to be approved in the use table for whatever

00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:52.800
 zoning that property has, right?

00:59:52.800 --> 01:00:01.120
 So again, yeah, I could see residential happening, but it would be in larger lots of land, continuing

01:00:01.120 --> 01:00:06.040
 further than 250 feet, in other words.

01:00:06.040 --> 01:00:11.280
 Okay, I think I follow you.

01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:12.280
 Okay.

01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:14.240
 So continuing on, we have moderate residential.

01:00:14.240 --> 01:00:19.680
 That's typically our more multi-family townhomes, those heavier supporting, you'll see restaurants

01:00:19.680 --> 01:00:26.520
 and an office associated with that moderate residential, 5 to 12 dwelling units per acre.

01:00:26.520 --> 01:00:32.040
 We have master plan community, so plan development.

01:00:32.040 --> 01:00:36.320
 And then downtown Denton would not apply in this area.

01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:43.800
 Regional mixed use is one, again, that we did, I believe, consider.

01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.920
 No, we looked at neighborhood.

01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:54.960
 So regional mixed use would be more along I-35, it even says it here in the designation.

01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:59.320
 Still in those freeways, typically where we do have frontage roads.

01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:04.080
 So that would be regional draws to an area.

01:01:04.080 --> 01:01:10.400
 We don't necessarily see that in this area, it would be more along 35.

01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:17.600
 Community mixed use is our current recommendation for this area.

01:01:17.600 --> 01:01:21.840
 Neighborhood mixed use we do have, but that's going to be more nestled inside single family

01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:27.520
 neighborhoods, so those smaller, you'll have a dentist office and your bank and nestled

01:01:27.520 --> 01:01:34.960
 really inside an existing neighborhood, not along a high-speed corridor like this.

01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.420
 Near universities, so that will not apply.

01:01:38.420 --> 01:01:43.400
 Business center is one of the other districts that we did evaluate.

01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:46.340
 So this one kind of shows some of the highlights there.

01:01:46.340 --> 01:01:50.240
 Some generally aligned zoning districts would be that general office, suburban corridor,

01:01:50.240 --> 01:01:54.240
 but also highway corridor and mixed use regional.

01:01:54.240 --> 01:02:00.040
 These are a lot of those bigger draws, bigger offices, really a business center, so it's

01:02:00.040 --> 01:02:02.720
 a little business community out there.

01:02:02.720 --> 01:02:07.740
 One of the things that deterred us from this designation was the fact that this corridor

01:02:07.740 --> 01:02:09.960
 is so long and skinny.

01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:16.000
 It doesn't really have the room out there to be a true business center, it is a corridor.

01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:21.800
 And so it would have some of those smaller uses just with that direct access onto a freeway,

01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:23.120
 we didn't think business center.

01:02:23.120 --> 01:02:27.760
 This also encourages more walkability, retail, hotels.

01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:32.720
 It wasn't an area that we saw fit for a business center.

01:02:32.720 --> 01:02:39.680
 >> How many square miles or feet is this, how many acres is this area?

01:02:39.680 --> 01:02:46.160
 >> Corridor is a mile long and then 250 feet north and south of the right of way.

01:02:46.160 --> 01:02:53.800
 I can try to do the math, but -- >> I was going to say, you know, so while

01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:58.800
 we focus predominantly on what's in the city limits, I guess just kind of -- Chair Pruitt

01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:03.680
 said something that had me thinking also a little bit is, you know, this is the front

01:03:03.680 --> 01:03:09.480
 door into the community, but it also potentially influences what happens in the ETJ.

01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:15.920
 So if the concern is trying to potentially control land uses in a bigger swath of area

01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:22.080
 by first starting with the strip that's within our city limits that we can control, you know,

01:03:22.080 --> 01:03:27.080
 we can think about what the influence is to the north and the south longer term with the

01:03:27.080 --> 01:03:29.520
 land use designation recommendation.

01:03:29.520 --> 01:03:34.120
 I would probably still have some concerns regarding this particular land use designation

01:03:34.120 --> 01:03:39.080
 being in this area just because of, particularly to the north, the existing single family residential,

01:03:39.080 --> 01:03:43.560
 the larger lot neighborhood, the likelihood of those properties turning over and being

01:03:43.560 --> 01:03:47.960
 assembled for something that's more akin to the types of land uses and development that

01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:55.480
 we would see happen in this business center, I feel like this is a very small opportunity.

01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:00.240
 You know, we can try and force the market and with the land use designations, I mean,

01:04:00.240 --> 01:04:04.400
 there's that to consider as well, but I just, you know, in this particular instance, I don't

01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:09.320
 see this land use designation being appropriate in this particular area.

01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:13.440
 This I could see definitely more appropriate where we have it like north of loop 288, east

01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:18.560
 of I-35, some of our zoning in that area I think is a little more entitled consistent

01:04:18.560 --> 01:04:22.520
 with this, but that's where we see more of those larger opportunities from some larger

01:04:22.520 --> 01:04:25.960
 scale campus style development.

01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:31.560
 Are you thinking that some of those acreages located to the north of this area might sell

01:04:31.560 --> 01:04:36.560
 and get developed like a developer could go in there and start buying them all up?

01:04:36.560 --> 01:04:40.480
 Is that, are they that like?

01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.440
 It's given them, given how they're located in Aaron, maybe you've got a better aerial.

01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:53.240
 I'm trying to see, it's kind of easier to see, we've, Julie and I have driven down some

01:04:53.240 --> 01:04:59.080
 of these streets, it's a, it's rural, but it's, I would say fairly established.

01:04:59.080 --> 01:05:04.680
 We didn't anticipate this necessarily redeveloping, you'd have to buy up many different parcels

01:05:04.680 --> 01:05:06.440
 to do that.

01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:11.640
 It seemed to us to be pretty established residential that would carry on for a few generations

01:05:11.640 --> 01:05:13.240
 maybe.

01:05:13.240 --> 01:05:17.240
 So we didn't anticipate that redeveloping anytime soon.

01:05:17.240 --> 01:05:22.160
 You know, of the larger properties that could potentially accommodate larger scale development,

01:05:22.160 --> 01:05:26.320
 I mean, you'd be looking at the stuff that's to the south within the ETJ if they eventually

01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:30.960
 annexed in or they could develop as they are right now, they're fairly industrial operations

01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:31.960
 that are happening there.

01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:36.960
 But I guess if somebody wanted to sell that property and do something different with it,

01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:41.800
 you know, that that's one of the larger tracks, but you know, we rezoned that property that

01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:47.480
 Aaron pointed out, that geo tract a couple of years ago, I think they, correct me if

01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.280
 I'm wrong, I think you mentioned that they were looking at possibly bringing in the remaining

01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:52.840
 balance into the city limits there.

01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:56.520
 That has that general office designation on there, but even within the last two years,

01:05:56.520 --> 01:05:58.360
 nothing's happened with that property.

01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:01.920
 But that's one of the, I would say one of the larger properties we have in that area.

01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:07.740
 And then when you had further west getting more into Denton, then you start getting some

01:06:07.740 --> 01:06:11.760
 larger parcels, but they've got south wires over there.

01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.160
 So they've got a larger building footprint.

01:06:14.160 --> 01:06:16.920
 And then you kind of have a mix of parcel sizes.

01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:22.800
 And then as you get closer to loop 288 and, and 380, you have larger parcels that are

01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:24.920
 developed as more of that warehouse distribution.

01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:30.400
 So you know, you can see kind of the lot patterns that are to the north in this area.

01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:35.600
 And that's where much of that residential development is, is occurring in that area.

01:06:35.600 --> 01:06:41.840
 And that's, that's why we just, we don't anticipate that turning over, you know, as, as Aaron

01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:47.880
 pointed for, for potential couple of generations, just because of the housing that's there.

01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:52.400
 And these existing types of uses that we see in that business park would be things that,

01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:55.040
 that could be also permitted under that light industrial.

01:06:55.040 --> 01:07:02.880
 Some of those office type uses, they're from visiting some of this area and, and understanding

01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:04.360
 what types of businesses they have.

01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:11.160
 It is uses that they don't have as many visitors every hour as some, as a restaurant would.

01:07:11.160 --> 01:07:14.480
 It is those offices that really it's, you go for a specific purpose.

01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:19.800
 So you wouldn't see so much traffic with those type uses if that were to continue the pattern

01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:26.240
 that we see today, Aaron, why don't you go back to the list?

01:07:26.240 --> 01:07:27.240
 Yes.

01:07:27.240 --> 01:07:32.200
 So business center, light industrial, which is the current recommendation.

01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:40.080
 We have industrial commerce that is a higher, a higher industrial, which we would not likely

01:07:40.080 --> 01:07:41.080
 see.

01:07:41.080 --> 01:07:45.560
 We have that out like near the airport, for example, government or institutional wouldn't

01:07:45.560 --> 01:07:46.560
 be appropriate.

01:07:46.560 --> 01:07:50.980
 We already do see some parks and open space in this area.

01:07:50.980 --> 01:07:57.320
 It is, you see it is over by towards the creek, but that wouldn't be something that we recommend

01:07:57.320 --> 01:07:58.320
 for the corridor.

01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:11.680
 That would be more true parks property.

01:08:11.680 --> 01:08:19.760
 I can throw one thing out there, so seeing how you're struggling in your deliberation

01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:28.440
 that that don't worry, we we've had several months of deliberating and evaluating of what's

01:08:28.440 --> 01:08:30.760
 most appropriate and we've gone round and round.

01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:36.560
 So you know, if you feel like you need a little more time to ruminate on this, I think one

01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:42.040
 of the things that we could do is if you're not ready to render a decision this evening

01:08:42.040 --> 01:08:47.520
 and give us direction, what we could do is continue this discussion and our next meeting

01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:49.680
 gives you a few more weeks to think about it.

01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:55.040
 Also, I think what we could do is in the meantime, we could send to you those few pages that

01:08:55.040 --> 01:08:59.440
 Aaron just went through with the various land use categories that have those summaries.

01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:03.000
 So you can take a look at those and in my apologies, I should have thought about having

01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:08.400
 us include that as an attachment as well to since we haven't this is really our first

01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:12.160
 in depth discussion about land use planning at a high level with this group.

01:09:12.160 --> 01:09:16.680
 So my apologies for not thinking of sending those categories to you in advance, but we

01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:22.320
 can get that information to you, let you look through them and give some additional thought

01:09:22.320 --> 01:09:28.120
 to this if you're wanting that additional time.

01:09:28.120 --> 01:09:33.680
 Is that something that interests Commissioner Riggs?

01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:37.880
 Just looking at the land uses and hearing what staff has said, I don't think that I

01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:42.040
 would go with a different land use, just that's where I'm at today.

01:09:42.040 --> 01:09:48.000
 So for me, I don't think that a few more weeks of deliberation is going to change my opinion

01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:49.000
 on it.

01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:50.000
 Okay.

01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:55.320
 So to clarify, there's the existing flume and then there's the proposed light industrial

01:09:55.320 --> 01:10:03.320
 and community mixed use flume, so different than the proposal or different than the existing

01:10:03.320 --> 01:10:04.320
 condition?

01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:06.320
 The proposed future land use I think is appropriate.

01:10:06.320 --> 01:10:09.000
 I would go with the staff's recommendation.

01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.040
 Okay.

01:10:11.040 --> 01:10:18.000
 And Aaron, I think I saw the map on the last page of the report you were looking at.

01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:24.520
 I think if you just zoomed in on the legend for that, that kind of summarizes the different

01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:27.960
 land uses that we could essentially choose from.

01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:34.160
 And when I look at that, I don't see one that seems to be a better fit.

01:10:34.160 --> 01:10:35.160
 Okay.

01:10:35.160 --> 01:10:38.220
 Any other thoughts?

01:10:38.220 --> 01:10:39.560
 Commissioner Boudron?

01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:44.880
 I'm given that this is this particular area, I agree with Commissioner Riggs, not necessarily

01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:48.720
 seeing another fit for this space.

01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:54.400
 I don't think that I would need some additional time for consideration either.

01:10:54.400 --> 01:10:55.680
 Commissioner Dyer?

01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:56.680
 I would agree.

01:10:56.680 --> 01:11:00.960
 I mean, personally, I kind of wonder if the business center, but I also go on staff's

01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:07.640
 recommendation that it's just too skinny of a property to really appropriately do that.

01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:09.840
 So I would go with staff recommendation.

01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:13.600
 I don't really see anything other.

01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:21.100
 I mean, hopefully it's going to be something when if it were to come to us when developers

01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:27.480
 are looking at what they want to put in that and talking to the city, that they won't put

01:11:27.480 --> 01:11:37.720
 something so oddball out there for those homeowners that have been used to a quiet road up until

01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:41.640
 probably the last 10 years.

01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:51.280
 And keep in mind, so if we are to change the future land use map, then there's still a

01:11:51.280 --> 01:11:56.680
 whole zoning process that will be gone through with these individual property owners.

01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:59.360
 Their option is to develop under their existing zoning, right?

01:11:59.360 --> 01:12:03.720
 But what we're hearing is that's a little bit of a problem, but that's an option, right?

01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:07.880
 But in all likelihood, then when they bring in those individual zoning requests, we will

01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:12.300
 evaluate them for consistency with not only the future land use map, but all the other

01:12:12.300 --> 01:12:20.200
 recommendations that we have within the Denton 2040 plan and work through those finer granular

01:12:20.200 --> 01:12:22.160
 issues at that time.

01:12:22.160 --> 01:12:26.680
 Much like we did when we did the property to the west with the -- or I'm sorry, I'm

01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.400
 thinking of another property that Julie had that was in a similar challenging situation.

01:12:30.400 --> 01:12:33.360
 They came in with a lot of industrial requests, and I think we ended up doing a planned development

01:12:33.360 --> 01:12:36.260
 district because of the considerations that were in that area.

01:12:36.260 --> 01:12:40.760
 So when we do the zoning, that'll allow us to even -- you know, to better address some

01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:46.200
 of those oddball situations that someone might come forth with.

01:12:46.200 --> 01:12:48.280
 Okay.

01:12:48.280 --> 01:12:54.840
 Yeah, I -- this is hard for me.

01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.640
 I think you can tell that because I wear it on my face.

01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:09.480
 I'm -- I agree that there's -- if what we're interested in is increased development in

01:13:09.480 --> 01:13:14.920
 this area, there's no better future land use map designation that we have.

01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:21.200
 We don't have a light industrial, but really low traffic as far as, you know, conflict

01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:25.760
 turning, et cetera.

01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.040
 So yeah, I totally agree.

01:13:28.040 --> 01:13:34.480
 My concern is just I don't know that this corridor in the middle of two basically converting

01:13:34.480 --> 01:13:40.480
 things into freeway projects is a corridor where we should want to induce additional

01:13:40.480 --> 01:13:44.600
 development, right?

01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:53.920
 And while the existing future land use map options don't offer the likelihood that they

01:13:53.920 --> 01:14:06.080
 would develop that way from an economic perspective, they do provide sort of a message of, well,

01:14:06.080 --> 01:14:13.040
 you know, we're on pause, if you will, just economically as opposed to rationally from

01:14:13.040 --> 01:14:15.360
 a what does the map look like perspective.

01:14:15.360 --> 01:14:25.900
 So I'm not at this time in favor of changing it.

01:14:25.900 --> 01:14:37.280
 You know, we'll go forward, and, you know, we've got three people, so that sounds good.

01:14:37.280 --> 01:14:42.560
 My message is just in this corridor, we're going to have to be really careful about the

01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:50.160
 types of zonings and land uses that go in here, right, from a safety perspective, because

01:14:50.160 --> 01:14:55.480
 our light industrial zoning district, not the future land use district, allows a lot

01:14:55.480 --> 01:15:01.360
 of things, and I think that's great in most areas of our town to have that flexibility.

01:15:01.360 --> 01:15:10.200
 But here there's a big difference between, you know, 300 cars a day pulling out and 3,000,

01:15:10.200 --> 01:15:14.220
 if that makes sense.

01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:17.560
 >> I guess I just want to make sure I understand kind of where your thoughts are.

01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:22.600
 I understand the concern of the amount of traffic, and particularly Raise Ranch, I hate

01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:27.080
 trying to get onto the highway every time we go down over there, but so is your thought

01:15:27.080 --> 01:15:32.840
 to essentially leave it as low residential, knowing that nobody will then ever, pretty

01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:35.080
 much no one will ever develop it?

01:15:35.080 --> 01:15:38.440
 >> Yeah, I mean, I think, I think so.

01:15:38.440 --> 01:15:40.360
 That's my preference.

01:15:40.360 --> 01:15:46.560
 Again, not because it explicitly describes what we want out there.

01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:51.240
 It's more of a placeholder, if you will.

01:15:51.240 --> 01:15:56.920
 I'd rather us focus a little bit more.

01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:04.120
 I'm a little bit more nervous about the community mixed use on that southwestern corridor, you

01:16:04.120 --> 01:16:09.920
 know, based on the types of zoning districts that could go in there, if we get an SC, and

01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:20.440
 then, you know, there's city land south of there, and it gets annexed, et cetera, then

01:16:20.440 --> 01:16:29.720
 that future land use is probably lends itself more toward a high traffic issue.

01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:39.200
 But I understand that we don't want to inadvertently create nonconformities and that sort of thing,

01:16:39.200 --> 01:16:40.920
 right?

01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:43.880
 So, yeah.

01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:52.600
 I'm not sure, I guess we're still missing three people now.

01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:58.440
 So do you need more direction than that, or what's your staff's needs on this?

01:16:58.440 --> 01:17:05.560
 No, I mean, our next actions would be to do the neighborhood engagement further.

01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:09.640
 Like I said, we, or as Erin mentioned, we've been working with some of the property owners

01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:15.600
 in that area, but we believe a broader engagement effort would be appropriate, and so we will

01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:22.040
 do that, and then we will share the initial direction that we've received from the commission.

01:17:22.040 --> 01:17:26.640
 We can come back and share with you the results of that neighborhood engagement that we did,

01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:31.720
 and then that way, if you're interested in any further refinements based upon that public

01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:36.560
 engagement, then you can give us that direction before we formally initiate a public hearing

01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:38.960
 to amend the future land use map.

01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:43.600
 But this is very helpful, and I appreciate the very thoughtfulness and the consideration,

01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:50.800
 because it's a hard area to evaluate and figure out what is most appropriate when you're looking

01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:52.640
 that far in the future.

01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:55.920
 But let us do that neighborhood engagement, and then we'll bring you the results of that,

01:17:55.920 --> 01:18:00.200
 and then if you have any additional thoughts, refinements to the direction you've given

01:18:00.200 --> 01:18:02.040
 us so far, we can address it at that time.

01:18:02.040 --> 01:18:03.040
 Sounds good.

01:18:03.040 --> 01:18:10.520
 Do the neighbors, you know, when you do the radius zones and all that, are you also asking

01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:15.000
 them what they would like to see, what zoning change, if any, they would like to see in

01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:21.520
 this area, or you're just looking for feedback, like we're thinking of this community mixed

01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:23.000
 use in the site industrial.

01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:24.480
 How do y'all feel about that?

01:18:24.480 --> 01:18:28.440
 Wait, it would be somewhere...

01:18:28.440 --> 01:18:29.720
 It would be somewhere in between.

01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:32.960
 So right, I mean, we would have this higher level conversation with them and talk about

01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:36.880
 these land use categories, but I think it would be appropriate for us to also talk about,

01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:40.640
 you know, what are the types of zoning districts that could potentially align with these land

01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:45.200
 use recommendations so that they understand how it fits together.

01:18:45.200 --> 01:18:50.440
 So you know, what specific properties would get rezoned to what district?

01:18:50.440 --> 01:18:53.800
 We would not be able to answer those kind of questions, but I think we could still have

01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:57.880
 a conversation about, you know, these are the, much like what we did this evening, these

01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:03.400
 are the zoning districts that typically align with these future land use plan recommendations.

01:19:03.400 --> 01:19:08.800
 Here are some of the types of land uses that are typically allowed in those zoning districts

01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.120
 so that they could have that understanding.

01:19:11.120 --> 01:19:13.200
 Commissioner Riggs.

01:19:13.200 --> 01:19:15.560
 I appreciate that, Tina.

01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:17.680
 I like that idea a lot.

01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:23.560
 One of the other things I would suggest is, and it may be looking too much into the crystal

01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:28.220
 ball because we don't know exactly how it's going to zone, but if, to Commissioner Pruitt's

01:19:28.220 --> 01:19:35.000
 point, get some kind of idea of traffic impacts, again, I know that may be too much crystal

01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:38.320
 ball, but if we get a high level, maybe.

01:19:38.320 --> 01:19:43.280
 So like traffic impacts associated with the land use categories or I just want to make

01:19:43.280 --> 01:19:44.280
 sure I understand your request.

01:19:44.280 --> 01:19:45.280
 Yeah.

01:19:45.280 --> 01:19:46.280
 Within the land use categories.

01:19:46.280 --> 01:19:51.480
 I mean, obviously the zoning and use is very, very quite a bit, but that might be helpful.

01:19:51.480 --> 01:19:52.480
 Yeah.

01:19:52.480 --> 01:19:53.480
 Thank you.

01:19:53.480 --> 01:20:00.800
 I think my thought would be within the uses for those future land use categories, identify

01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:07.840
 the ones that could develop with the limited depth from the roadway and kind of focus on

01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:14.160
 those, right?

01:20:14.160 --> 01:20:15.160
 Commissioner Pedrone.

01:20:15.160 --> 01:20:20.480
 I agree with Commissioner Riggs and with the traffic impact study to see what we would be

01:20:20.480 --> 01:20:27.360
 looking at moving forward.

01:20:27.360 --> 01:20:34.200
 Does that impact study also include like things, how many like stoplights and stuff you would

01:20:34.200 --> 01:20:36.200
 put in that?

01:20:36.200 --> 01:20:39.360
 We would not go to that level of analysis at this point in time.

01:20:39.360 --> 01:20:44.320
 Keep in mind, it would be a much more high level assessment associated with it.

01:20:44.320 --> 01:20:45.320
 Okay.

01:20:45.320 --> 01:20:53.200
 Does staff need anything else or no?

01:20:53.200 --> 01:20:54.680
 Okay.

01:20:54.680 --> 01:21:07.920
 Then at 623, I will take a recess until 630 for the regular meeting in council chambers.

01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:13.800
 Thank you.

01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:14.800
 Good evening.

01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:17.200
 It is 641 PM on April 23rd.

01:21:17.200 --> 01:21:23.720
 We will reconvene in our regular meeting of the Denton Planning and Zoning Commission.

01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:29.480
 Our first order of business is to stand and say the Pledge of Allegiance to the US and

01:21:29.480 --> 01:21:34.480
 Texas Flag.

01:21:34.480 --> 01:21:40.520
 Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:49.440
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible.

01:21:49.440 --> 01:22:04.080
 Texas Flag, Pledge of Allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible.

01:22:04.080 --> 01:22:12.600
 Our next item is PZ 25007, approval of the April 9th Planning and Zoning Commission minutes.

01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:13.600
 Commissioner Padron?

01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:14.600
 Move approval.

01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:15.600
 Commissioner Dyer?

01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.760
 I second.

01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:25.900
 And with that, let's vote on the board.

01:22:25.900 --> 01:22:30.800
 That item passes 4-0.

01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:40.400
 That brings us to our consent agenda, I'll ask for a motion to approve with the amended

01:22:40.400 --> 01:22:45.160
 plat that we received over email if you could include that in your motion please.

01:22:45.160 --> 01:22:46.160
 Commissioner Riggs?

01:22:46.160 --> 01:22:53.080
 I make a motion to approve the consent agenda and with the replat change that was emailed

01:22:53.080 --> 01:22:55.440
 to us.

01:22:55.440 --> 01:22:56.440
 Commissioner Padron?

01:22:56.440 --> 01:22:57.440
 I second.

01:22:57.440 --> 01:23:07.600
 Seeing no questions, call for a vote on the board.

01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:19.560
 That item passes 4-0, brings us to our items for individual consideration for a FP 250014.

01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:28.320
 Good evening, commission, Bryce VanArsdale, assistant planner.

01:23:28.320 --> 01:23:36.600
 This is FP 250014, this is a 19-acre lot just located about 320 feet to the east of

01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:40.680
 Country Club Road and on the north side of Hobson Lane.

01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:43.240
 While we did have some comments to work through late last week, all the comments have been

01:23:43.240 --> 01:23:47.400
 addressed and staff no longer has any problems with recommending approval of this plat and

01:23:47.400 --> 01:23:51.240
 I'll stand for any questions.

01:23:51.240 --> 01:23:54.640
 Any questions?

01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:59.760
 Or a motion?

01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:02.360
 Commissioner Riggs?

01:24:02.360 --> 01:24:05.280
 I make a motion to approve this plat.

01:24:05.280 --> 01:24:06.680
 Commissioner Padron?

01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:07.680
 Second.

01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:14.800
 Seeing no questions, I'll call for a vote on the board.

01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:25.160
 That item passes 4-0, brings us to 4B, PP 25002.

01:24:25.160 --> 01:24:29.600
 Good evening, commission.

01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:38.240
 This request is for a preliminary plat of approximately 269 acres located in Denton's

01:24:38.240 --> 01:24:44.720
 ETJ, north of FM 2449 and south of TN Scales Road.

01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:50.160
 At this time, staff recommends a denial, as it does not meet our criteria for approval.

01:24:50.160 --> 01:24:56.280
 However, we have no objection to their first extension request to a date certain of May

01:24:56.280 --> 01:25:01.280
 14, 2025.

01:25:01.280 --> 01:25:04.280
 Thank you, Matt.

01:25:04.280 --> 01:25:06.560
 Commissioner Padron?

01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:13.200
 Move approval to grant the extension to a date certain of May 14, 2025.

01:25:13.200 --> 01:25:15.480
 And Commissioner Riggs?

01:25:15.480 --> 01:25:16.960
 Second.

01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:24.360
 Let's vote on the board.

01:25:24.360 --> 01:25:34.440
 That item passes 4-0, brings us to item 4C, FR 250010.

01:25:34.440 --> 01:25:36.960
 Good evening, Julie Wyatt, principal planner.

01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:39.200
 This is FR 25-0010.

01:25:39.200 --> 01:25:43.920
 It is a replat for an existing high school campus.

01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:48.960
 The purpose of the replat is to add some additional property for campus improvements as well as

01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:51.840
 a transportation facility.

01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:56.280
 The property is located on the north side of McKinney, just east of May Hill.

01:25:56.280 --> 01:25:59.120
 Right now, they do have some items that they need to work through in order for staff to

01:25:59.120 --> 01:26:00.560
 recommend approval.

01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:05.280
 However, we have no objection to their requested extension to the May 14 meeting.

01:26:05.280 --> 01:26:09.440
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

01:26:09.440 --> 01:26:10.440
 Commissioner Dyer?

01:26:10.440 --> 01:26:17.200
 I make a motion that we go ahead and move to grant the extension to May 14.

01:26:17.200 --> 01:26:18.200
 Commissioner Padron?

01:26:18.200 --> 01:26:20.320
 I second.

01:26:20.320 --> 01:26:27.120
 Seeing no questions, call for a vote on the board.

01:26:27.120 --> 01:26:37.760
 That extension motion passes 4-0, brings us to item 4D, V25-0023.

01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:44.800
 Good evening, Erin Stanley, assistant planner.

01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:48.920
 This is the Harris Ranch Industrial Subdivision variance.

01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:58.120
 So this is a request for two lots to take access off of an access easement rather than

01:26:58.120 --> 01:26:59.240
 a public street.

01:26:59.240 --> 01:27:04.800
 The subject property is located west of I-35 and approximately 1,700 feet south of North

01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:06.080
 Loop 288.

01:27:06.080 --> 01:27:09.480
 The property is zoned light industrial and the applicant is proposing to create four

01:27:09.480 --> 01:27:16.800
 lots on approximately 91 acres to facilitate the development of light industrial development

01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:19.000
 on approximately 84 acres.

01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:23.560
 So the two lots that would be requesting this subdivision variance are highlighted

01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.920
 in yellow on this screen.

01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:31.280
 They currently take access off of an access easement and would be this proposal would

01:27:31.280 --> 01:27:36.920
 allow them to formally be plotted taking access off of this access easement.

01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:43.400
 So in staff's consideration within the DDC of the approval criteria, the first one is

01:27:43.400 --> 01:27:52.480
 not that it would not be detrimental to public safety, health, or welfare to other property.

01:27:52.480 --> 01:27:57.200
 And as these properties already take access off of an easement, this would not change

01:27:57.200 --> 01:27:59.840
 the existing alignment.

01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:06.600
 And these pad sites also are current gas well pad site and electrical communications pad

01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:07.680
 site.

01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:11.000
 And these seldomly require human assistance or monitoring.

01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:15.000
 So there wouldn't be a lot of traffic in or out.

01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:20.200
 The second consideration is that based on particular physical surroundings that this

01:28:20.200 --> 01:28:23.160
 variance would be considered.

01:28:23.160 --> 01:28:31.360
 This in this situation, the pad sites that are requesting this variance ownership is

01:28:31.360 --> 01:28:36.720
 intended to remain with the current owner for these sites while the remaining 84 acres

01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:39.560
 would be sold to the developer for light industrial.

01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:44.420
 While it is possible to plot the pad sites with that industrial tract, they would have

01:28:44.420 --> 01:28:46.080
 to maintain the same ownership.

01:28:46.080 --> 01:28:49.880
 So to have that separate ownership, they do need to be plotted separately, hence why the

01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:53.840
 subdivision variance would be necessary.

01:28:53.840 --> 01:29:00.320
 The third criteria is that it would not be in conflict with anything else in the development

01:29:00.320 --> 01:29:03.280
 code, comprehensive plan or mobility plan.

01:29:03.280 --> 01:29:09.000
 Aside from this specific variance, the development would be required to meet all other criteria,

01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:13.940
 plot dimensions and setbacks, everything would be required.

01:29:13.940 --> 01:29:16.280
 So there is no conflict there.

01:29:16.280 --> 01:29:21.320
 And then the fourth criteria that there are particular considerations or conditions for

01:29:21.320 --> 01:29:28.000
 this site, these pad sites have been in their existing uses since prior to the adoption

01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:30.720
 of the current development code.

01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:35.320
 The gas well pad site has existed since at least 2004 and communications pad sites since

01:29:35.320 --> 01:29:36.920
 at least 2001.

01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:41.840
 So with that, staff is recommending approval of the request as it complies with all approval

01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:45.480
 criteria and I'll stand for any questions.

01:29:45.480 --> 01:29:48.320
 Any questions for staff?

01:29:48.320 --> 01:29:52.720
 We do have one card on this item wishing to speak, but if you have questions for staff

01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:55.720
 at this time.

01:29:55.720 --> 01:30:01.920
 I have a question and I don't know why I didn't think about this when we were in the workshop.

01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:07.360
 So when you're looking at this and the property owner wanting to keep the two, the gas well

01:30:07.360 --> 01:30:14.040
 and the communications pad are, it's part of this agreement that they will either put

01:30:14.040 --> 01:30:21.200
 some sort of like fencing material or landscaping material to kind of keep that separated out

01:30:21.200 --> 01:30:26.640
 from the other, the warehousing lots there.

01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:30.360
 So I know there are fences around the communications pad site.

01:30:30.360 --> 01:30:34.400
 I'm not sure about the gas well one, but the applicant is here and can speak to that.

01:30:34.400 --> 01:30:37.400
 - Well, is that a requirement that the city has that they do that with this?

01:30:37.400 --> 01:30:41.640
 - The fence would not be required, no.

01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:47.120
 - Okay, any other questions of staff?

01:30:47.120 --> 01:30:52.200
 Okay, I have a card from Amy Bissett for the applicant.

01:30:52.200 --> 01:30:56.680
 If you want to come up, you'll have 10 minutes.

01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:01.880
 - Good evening, commissioners, Amy Bissett, 109 North Elm, 76201.

01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:06.240
 I brought a couple of slides in case we get into any specific questions.

01:31:06.240 --> 01:31:11.920
 Just to clarify on your question, Commissioner Dyer, there are existing fences in both locations

01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:18.680
 today and security will be one of the site features that's planned for as we move through

01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:20.120
 the development process.

01:31:20.120 --> 01:31:25.480
 There will certainly be, the way access works, we'll have to provide access off of those

01:31:25.480 --> 01:31:33.480
 easements into their properties, but we'll be considering security on both sides of that,

01:31:33.480 --> 01:31:37.040
 of the development.

01:31:37.040 --> 01:31:39.240
 Happy to answer any other questions you may have.

01:31:39.240 --> 01:31:42.600
 - Any questions of the applicant?

01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:43.600
 Not seeing anything.

01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:48.320
 - Right, thank you.

01:31:48.320 --> 01:31:53.920
 - Discussion or a motion or other questions?

01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:55.920
 Commissioner Riggs?

01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:59.920
 - I'd make a motion to approve the variance.

01:31:59.920 --> 01:32:00.920
 - Commissioner Dyer?

01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:03.040
 - I will second that motion.

01:32:03.040 --> 01:32:04.400
 - Okay.

01:32:04.400 --> 01:32:13.760
 Not seeing any other questions, I'll call for a vote on the board.

01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:14.760
 Item passes 4-0.

01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:37.800
 It brings us to our public hearings tonight, first one is 5AZ25-0005.

01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:42.280
 - Good evening, Commission, Matt Boudin, Assistant Planner, here to present the zoning case for

01:32:42.280 --> 01:32:46.280
 the new Denton Fire Station 6.

01:32:46.280 --> 01:32:52.400
 So this request is to rezone approximately three acres of land located at the corner

01:32:52.400 --> 01:32:57.680
 of Teasley and Hunters Creek from the existing planned development zoning district to our

01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:05.800
 public facilities district for the purpose of developing a new fire station at this site.

01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:12.320
 So this piece of property has gone through several changes related to City Council and

01:33:12.320 --> 01:33:17.760
 Commission's decisions, some of the recent ones being the City Council approving a rezoning

01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:24.800
 to the current PD back in April of 2023, however, before any commercial development occurred

01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:31.840
 on the site, City Council approved the purchase of this property for the development specifically

01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:36.640
 of a new fire station facility.

01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:42.640
 While the PD does allow for that fire station land use as staff has worked through those

01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:48.200
 development plans, it's become apparent that the unique development requirements and needs

01:33:48.200 --> 01:33:55.920
 of a fire station have been difficult to provide for within the constraints of the PD.

01:33:55.920 --> 01:34:02.600
 In addition, we believe rezoning to the public facilities district would align that future

01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:08.720
 use of a fire station better with the zoning, or sorry, reline the zoning better with the

01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:14.400
 use as that public facilities district is meant for those public uses.

01:34:14.400 --> 01:34:21.520
 Additionally, the rezoning would allow staff to apply flexibility in the design to account

01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:28.400
 for those unique needs of a fire station that any development under a base zoning district

01:34:28.400 --> 01:34:32.360
 is able to apply, but not able to under the current PD.

01:34:32.360 --> 01:34:39.320
 We did review this request against our criteria for approval, both the general and the zoning

01:34:39.320 --> 01:34:41.320
 change criteria.

01:34:41.320 --> 01:34:48.120
 I did find that this rezoning does advance the goals of the comprehensive plan specifically

01:34:48.120 --> 01:34:54.920
 to provide emergency services, and it does align with the future land use map designations.

01:34:54.920 --> 01:35:01.120
 In this area, you'll see the community mixed use and low residential designations, which

01:35:01.120 --> 01:35:05.800
 are meant to promote a mix of uses as well as allowing those uses that support residential

01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:10.920
 neighborhoods that a fire station will do.

01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:17.640
 This request was notified according to our city requirements, so mailings and newspaper

01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:19.360
 notices were sent.

01:35:19.360 --> 01:35:25.480
 We did receive two written responses in favor of the request within that 200 foot buffer,

01:35:25.480 --> 01:35:32.120
 and then a written response that was neutral, neither in favor or in opposition, and then

01:35:32.120 --> 01:35:39.960
 staff did not receive any responses in opposition to this rezoning request.

01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:46.400
 Staff is recommending approval of this rezoning request as it complies with the criteria.

01:35:46.400 --> 01:35:54.000
 We're also here to answer any questions.

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:56.840
 Any questions on this one?

01:35:56.840 --> 01:35:59.200
 Yeah, Commissioner Riggs?

01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:01.880
 I have a question.

01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:10.360
 What design constraints or site constraints does go into this new zoning allow for?

01:36:10.360 --> 01:36:15.520
 Specifically regarding flexibility around landscaping, so as the fire station, as the

01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:25.640
 trucks enter and exit, they do need high visibility onto the road, and so the PD asked for additional

01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:32.600
 landscaping along Hunters Creek that had to be along Hunters Creek, such as trees, and

01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:38.760
 so in order to meet, as that's one example, that need of high visibility for the trucks

01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:50.280
 out of safety, it was deemed necessary to rezone and so to the PF district where those

01:36:50.280 --> 01:36:57.000
 trees could then be moved elsewhere on site through the alternative landscape plan process

01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:02.120
 in the development code.

01:37:02.120 --> 01:37:06.680
 In either way, the fire station's going to go there because it was already a permitted

01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:07.680
 use?

01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:08.680
 Correct.

01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:09.680
 Yeah.

01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:10.680
 Thank you.

01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:11.980
 Any other questions?

01:37:11.980 --> 01:37:24.720
 Yeah, that was going to be my same question, so thank you for addressing that.

01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:29.440
 Discussion or a motion, sorry.

01:37:29.440 --> 01:37:36.480
 This is a public hearing, so if you have not filled out a card, I'll open the public hearing

01:37:36.480 --> 01:37:37.480
 now.

01:37:37.480 --> 01:37:40.360
 If you have not filled out a card, you're still welcome to come speak, and you can fill

01:37:40.360 --> 01:37:41.840
 out a card afterward.

01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:46.360
 Would anybody like to come speak?

01:37:46.360 --> 01:37:49.360
 Come on up, please.

01:37:49.360 --> 01:37:55.200
 Good afternoon, this is my first one, so I apologize if I didn't say the right things.

01:37:55.200 --> 01:37:58.840
 If you can pull your microphone down just so that we have it on record, and state your

01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:01.160
 name and address, and then you'll have three minutes.

01:38:01.160 --> 01:38:08.560
 Julia Hernandez, I live in 2505 Briar Forest Drive, just right off Teasley.

01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:15.400
 So after hearing the proposal, for me I do have some concerns, along with my neighbors

01:38:15.400 --> 01:38:21.840
 as well, but really it's about the noise that's going to be going on, potentially 24/7, day

01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:26.480
 or night, so I know a lot of my friends have a lot of kids in that area, so that could

01:38:26.480 --> 01:38:29.280
 be a potential concern for them.

01:38:29.280 --> 01:38:35.460
 For me and myself, I would say that I work from home a lot, so these meetings, the potential

01:38:35.460 --> 01:38:41.680
 noise could cause some issues and eruptions that are unnecessary, and then also along

01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:47.680
 with just the noise, the traffic that might come along with this spill, my concern as

01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:54.880
 well for that, and then overall there is a view that property values decrease because

01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:57.680
 of this, and that's a concern when I sell my home.

01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:04.160
 So right now, even after hearing the proposal, I do not approve of it, or disapprove of it,

01:39:04.160 --> 01:39:10.320
 whichever is said, but that's it, that's it for me, my concerns.

01:39:10.320 --> 01:39:11.320
 Thank you.

01:39:11.320 --> 01:39:13.280
 Any questions from the commission?

01:39:13.280 --> 01:39:14.280
 No?

01:39:14.280 --> 01:39:15.280
 Okay.

01:39:15.280 --> 01:39:16.280
 Anybody else?

01:39:16.280 --> 01:39:29.960
 Can you come speak?

01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:30.960
 Commissioner Patron?

01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:35.480
 I don't know if this is a question for staff or not, but is there a correlation between

01:39:35.480 --> 01:39:41.360
 property value and fire stations or public facilities?

01:39:41.360 --> 01:39:48.160
 Is there somebody from staff that can speak to that?

01:39:48.160 --> 01:39:56.920
 So I've never received a market analysis regarding a fire station located in proximity to properties.

01:39:56.920 --> 01:40:03.520
 I think typically what we find though is that the convenience of having fire stations nearby

01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:07.320
 can be an attractive factor for some property owners.

01:40:07.320 --> 01:40:11.960
 I can understand the concerns expressed by the resident regarding the operational aspects,

01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:16.000
 particularly with the fire apparatus coming and going.

01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:18.280
 Our fire chief is present this evening.

01:40:18.280 --> 01:40:23.420
 He could address some of their operational considerations that they employ versus daytime

01:40:23.420 --> 01:40:29.000
 operations versus nighttime, and that might be able to address some of the resident concerns.

01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:30.520
 Can I address the property values?

01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:32.680
 Oh, sure, absolutely.

01:40:32.680 --> 01:40:38.640
 As the resident real estate agent, it's kind of a toss up.

01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:46.080
 If it will devalue a property, it could go to the sellability where there will be some

01:40:46.080 --> 01:40:52.320
 people that just don't want to live like behind, especially the houses that bump up against

01:40:52.320 --> 01:40:53.620
 this property.

01:40:53.620 --> 01:41:00.680
 There will be some buyers who will probably not want to look at a house because they just

01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:03.440
 don't want to live behind a fire station.

01:41:03.440 --> 01:41:09.440
 I would think, and I'm not an insurance agent, but I would think that having the fire station

01:41:09.440 --> 01:41:19.500
 so close that it would help with insurance premiums because of the response time.

01:41:19.500 --> 01:41:26.000
 Chief Hedges, can you speak to the operational nature of these types of fire stations?

01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:27.000
 Sure thing.

01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:28.000
 Kenneth Hedges, fire chief.

01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:32.160
 There's a couple of different questions here as well, so let me kind of start off on really

01:41:32.160 --> 01:41:35.960
 the reason why we moved from current existing site to the current site as well and took

01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:40.280
 this presentation to council back in 2023 after the bond committee committed and finished

01:41:40.280 --> 01:41:42.080
 with the projects as well.

01:41:42.080 --> 01:41:45.380
 We look at everything in response time and really try to focus on a four-minute response

01:41:45.380 --> 01:41:48.680
 time is the NFPA standard, really best practice out there.

01:41:48.680 --> 01:41:50.760
 How quick can we get there in four minutes as well?

01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:55.300
 By moving just seven-tenths of a mile to the south, this new location, we actually have

01:41:55.300 --> 01:42:01.000
 data to show we increased by almost 6,000 residents that moved from outside a four-minute

01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:05.480
 response time to within a four-minute response time, so huge, dramatic operational improvement

01:42:05.480 --> 01:42:07.200
 moving this location.

01:42:07.200 --> 01:42:13.280
 At-risk populations, 65, age 65 and above, we increased that by 410 residents.

01:42:13.280 --> 01:42:17.480
 Household disabilities, we increased that by 306, so all this is adding to the four-minute

01:42:17.480 --> 01:42:19.200
 response window for us.

01:42:19.200 --> 01:42:23.080
 Commercial, number of businesses, we increased by 58 businesses within a four-minute response

01:42:23.080 --> 01:42:28.000
 time, told employees of those businesses almost 1,700 and I think the big thing also is the

01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:30.760
 fact that now we get the four-minute response time to Geyer.

01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:33.960
 So beforehand, we were outside of that and once again, this is a national standard we

01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:34.960
 try to hit.

01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:38.720
 I do understand the concerns, I mean, we are not usually the best neighbors, but we do

01:42:38.720 --> 01:42:40.360
 try to accommodate it.

01:42:40.360 --> 01:42:45.420
 Any time at nighttime, we do try to respond with just lights only, so if there's no traffic,

01:42:45.420 --> 01:42:47.840
 we don't have to capture the intersections.

01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:51.520
 Our officers do have discretion to turn the sirens off.

01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:55.440
 One thing about this facility also, there will be a police department substation, just

01:42:55.440 --> 01:43:00.280
 a two-office there in the front as well, so they will be on-site occasionally, so it's

01:43:00.280 --> 01:43:04.520
 more of a public safety building, primarily fire as well, so I think that's really all

01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:05.520
 I have for operational.

01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:06.960
 Is there kind of any other further questions?

01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:08.900
 I hope I answered most of them.

01:43:08.900 --> 01:43:10.500
 What is your average response time?

01:43:10.500 --> 01:43:16.640
 So like, are you usually getting a call like once every three hours, once every half hour,

01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:21.720
 like for the resident here who's concerned about interruption in her workday, is she

01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:25.760
 going to experience that once or twice a day or multiple times?

01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:32.680
 Well, unfortunately, we're a very busy system, but with the addition of Station 8 on Colorado,

01:43:32.680 --> 01:43:37.260
 that actually has brought Station 6 call volume down significantly as well, so it is not one

01:43:37.260 --> 01:43:41.080
 of our probably top three busiest stations, and that's very hard to predict.

01:43:41.080 --> 01:43:43.240
 I don't have the data from me on how many times they go out.

01:43:43.240 --> 01:43:47.280
 It could be anywhere from 10 times in a 24-hour shift, they could only go once as well, so

01:43:47.280 --> 01:43:50.280
 it just varies.

01:43:50.280 --> 01:43:53.960
 Any other questions?

01:43:53.960 --> 01:44:01.360
 I'll say I appreciate the flexibility you give to your crews, because I live on a street

01:44:01.360 --> 01:44:07.040
 where frequently at night I see flashing lights, and they're very considerate, so thank you.

01:44:07.040 --> 01:44:09.960
 Yeah, and just one thing I'd like to add, and primarily the reason is the fact that we

01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:13.260
 can't have trees on the front ramp, so when our crews do leave, we have to try to capture

01:44:13.260 --> 01:44:16.760
 that line of sight and the traffic as well, and we want people to see us, and we want

01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:21.440
 to see them, so I think that's kind of the primary reason on this rezoning request.

01:44:21.440 --> 01:44:24.960
 Thank you.

01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:27.600
 Anybody else wishing to speak?

01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:29.960
 Public hearing.

01:44:29.960 --> 01:44:33.080
 Not seeing anyone, I will close the public hearing.

01:44:33.080 --> 01:44:39.360
 Any questions or a motion from the commission?

01:44:39.360 --> 01:44:40.360
 Commissioner Pedrone.

01:44:40.360 --> 01:44:41.360
 Sorry.

01:44:41.360 --> 01:44:42.360
 Commissioner Riggs.

01:44:42.360 --> 01:44:46.240
 So I had a comment.

01:44:46.240 --> 01:44:48.400
 So I'm actually one of your neighbors over there too.

01:44:48.400 --> 01:44:53.880
 I live in that area, and I actually live a little bit closer to the current fire station,

01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:59.200
 and I haven't seen any nuisance or been disturbed by it at all.

01:44:59.200 --> 01:45:03.760
 One of the other things I do want to point out is that this is basically just a zoning

01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:08.120
 change request, so even if we were to deny this, the station would still go there.

01:45:08.120 --> 01:45:14.800
 It would just be with the trees blocking, and maybe making it more unsafe, so that's

01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:15.800
 all.

01:45:15.800 --> 01:45:16.800
 Thank you.

01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:17.800
 Commissioner Pedrone.

01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:18.800
 Move approval.

01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:19.800
 Commissioner Riggs.

01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:20.800
 That was a second.

01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:21.800
 That was a second.

01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:22.800
 There you go.

01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:23.800
 Thank you.

01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:34.800
 Seeing no additional questions, I'll call for a vote on the board of trustees.

01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:43.560
 Seeing no additional questions, I'll call for a vote on the board.

01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:47.560
 That item passes 4-0.

01:45:47.560 --> 01:45:51.960
 Brings us to our last public hearing, item 5B, DCA 24-0011.

01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:56.040
 Good evening, commission.

01:45:56.040 --> 01:46:01.080
 Bryce Van Arsdale, assistant planner.

01:46:01.080 --> 01:46:06.520
 This is DCA 24-0011 regarding the addition of commercial normal services to the land

01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:10.120
 use definitions provided in the development code.

01:46:10.120 --> 01:46:16.480
 Currently, most domestic animal services such as groomers, training, dog, daycares, those

01:46:16.480 --> 01:46:19.640
 sort of things will fall either under the kennel definition or the personal service

01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:21.120
 general definition.

01:46:21.120 --> 01:46:25.360
 However, as the market has continued to develop, we often see multiple of these uses under

01:46:25.360 --> 01:46:26.360
 a single building.

01:46:26.360 --> 01:46:30.480
 So we'll see, for instance, a doggie daycare that also offers overnight boarding as well

01:46:30.480 --> 01:46:33.380
 as training and grooming services.

01:46:33.380 --> 01:46:36.240
 With our existing definitions, I'll point out two things.

01:46:36.240 --> 01:46:40.520
 First is that the kennel definition provides for training as well as overnight, specifically

01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:45.280
 overnight, boarding, and the personal service general provides for the grooming services

01:46:45.280 --> 01:46:46.280
 of animals.

01:46:46.280 --> 01:46:51.640
 However, a couple takeaways from this, first is that there's no mention of doggie daycares

01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:53.840
 or pet daycares, rather.

01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:58.240
 Additionally, whenever multiple of these uses are under the same building, it leaves staff

01:46:58.240 --> 01:47:03.120
 in a bit of a gray area when interpreting zoning regulations.

01:47:03.120 --> 01:47:07.080
 Our proposed amendments are to introduce two different definitions, and they're very similar.

01:47:07.080 --> 01:47:10.140
 There's a differentiation that will be made in the use specific standards between the

01:47:10.140 --> 01:47:12.720
 indoor and the outdoor definition.

01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:17.320
 But generally, these definitions allow for the training, grooming, boarding, adoption,

01:47:17.320 --> 01:47:20.400
 or daycare services of domestic animals.

01:47:20.400 --> 01:47:23.920
 I will note that these definitions do exclude the sale of animals as well as any veterinary

01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:28.800
 care as those apply to their own definitions.

01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:32.880
 When looking at the table of allowed uses, you'll notice that the commercial animal

01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:38.260
 services both follow very closely with the veterinary clinic, allowed zoning districts.

01:47:38.260 --> 01:47:42.280
 The one major difference being that commercial animal service outdoor is not permitted in

01:47:42.280 --> 01:47:47.760
 the MN or MD zoning districts.

01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.480
 The use specific standards are a little bit wordy, but there's a couple takeaways from

01:47:50.480 --> 01:47:51.840
 this slide as well.

01:47:51.840 --> 01:47:58.000
 The first is that when the property is adjacent to within or within 1,000 feet of a residential

01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:04.400
 zoning district, we establish time and distance restrictions on outdoor elements.

01:48:04.400 --> 01:48:08.800
 Secondly, with the commercial animal service indoor, this is where the differentiation

01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:14.240
 is made between the indoor and outdoor use, and establishing that no more than 50% of

01:48:14.240 --> 01:48:18.760
 the proposed business may be allocated for outdoor use.

01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:24.320
 Finally, we did, I believe it was Chair Pruitt back in September, requested that we include

01:48:24.320 --> 01:48:29.120
 a provision that states no provision is intended to prevent the allocation of outdoor areas

01:48:29.120 --> 01:48:30.120
 for animal relief.

01:48:30.120 --> 01:48:35.280
 So that is also an element of this proposal.

01:48:35.280 --> 01:48:39.760
 With our proposed definition amendments, you'll note that commercial stable and the amendment

01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:42.800
 to personal service general are fairly minor in nature.

01:48:42.800 --> 01:48:46.180
 However, we do propose the removal of the kennel definition.

01:48:46.180 --> 01:48:50.120
 Many businesses that fall into the kennel definition today will now fall under either

01:48:50.120 --> 01:48:56.540
 the commercial animal service indoor or outdoor, based on the allocation of their outdoor element.

01:48:56.540 --> 01:49:00.200
 And following with that, we removed the use specific standards for kennel.

01:49:00.200 --> 01:49:04.280
 And secondly, we introduced two use specific standards to the veterinary clinic.

01:49:04.280 --> 01:49:08.360
 These are both related to on-site livestock veterinary care.

01:49:08.360 --> 01:49:11.040
 We realized that it's not very common to see this.

01:49:11.040 --> 01:49:14.440
 Typically, the vet will be going out to the site where the animal resides, but we did

01:49:14.440 --> 01:49:20.360
 want to provide these protections where it was relevant to these zoning districts.

01:49:20.360 --> 01:49:24.600
 The minimum parking requirements follow very closely and are the exact same as veterinary

01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:31.720
 clinic, which is one space per 500 square feet of gross floor area.

01:49:31.720 --> 01:49:35.040
 This project was noticed in accordance with state statute.

01:49:35.040 --> 01:49:39.160
 We sent out 20 929 notices to 10 businesses.

01:49:39.160 --> 01:49:42.440
 And the reason that those numbers are different are because the 929 notices go to both the

01:49:42.440 --> 01:49:45.320
 property owner as well as the business owner.

01:49:45.320 --> 01:49:50.240
 We received zero responses to this round of noticing.

01:49:50.240 --> 01:49:54.600
 And if you'll notice on the left, we have the businesses, or on the right, excuse me.

01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:56.800
 You'll notice the businesses which were noticed.

01:49:56.800 --> 01:50:01.680
 The businesses with the asterisks are the ones that are noted in the ordinance as those

01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:06.360
 two will be conforming.

01:50:06.360 --> 01:50:10.640
 This proposal does meet the general goals and policies of both the Denton Comprehensive

01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:17.480
 Plan and the 2040 Comprehensive Plan as well as the Denton Development Code.

01:50:17.480 --> 01:50:22.320
 Staff does recommend approval of this as it meets the criteria set forth in sections 2.74(d)

01:50:22.320 --> 01:50:27.880
 of the Denton Development Code, and I'm happy to stand for any questions.

01:50:27.880 --> 01:50:32.560
 I don't see any yet.

01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:39.380
 This is a public hearing, so I will open the public hearing and invite anybody to come down

01:50:39.380 --> 01:50:53.800
 and share their thoughts or concerns or questions so that we can understand everybody.

01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:54.800
 We're happy to...

01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:55.800
 Hang on.

01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:56.800
 Hang on.

01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:57.800
 I'm sorry.

01:50:57.800 --> 01:50:58.800
 This is my slide.

01:50:58.800 --> 01:50:59.800
 Okay.

01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:01.840
 If you could come down and state your name and address.

01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:04.960
 Myself, Club K-9, 7800 East McKinney Street.

01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:05.960
 Okay.

01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:10.680
 Now, it's said veterinarian, I'm not a very...

01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:19.600
 So what if you bring your dog to our facility under veterinarian regulation or...

01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:24.220
 You got four dogs, three rambunctious, and one just got a hip surgery.

01:51:24.220 --> 01:51:31.280
 You don't want that to get messed up, so you bring it to us for two weeks, low, slow, heel,

01:51:31.280 --> 01:51:33.320
 and go back home.

01:51:33.320 --> 01:51:37.040
 But the vet comes to our place, drives on our property.

01:51:37.040 --> 01:51:39.080
 Are we now a veterinarian?

01:51:39.080 --> 01:51:44.600
 Any of those above anything gonna conflict with that?

01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:46.840
 So I'll let staff address that.

01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:47.840
 Sure.

01:51:47.840 --> 01:51:48.840
 Great question.

01:51:48.840 --> 01:51:50.680
 No, that will not make you a veterinary clinic.

01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:55.760
 It'll be based on the land use, which is dictated by one-year zoning, but also your certificate

01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:56.760
 of occupancy.

01:51:56.760 --> 01:52:00.240
 So if you're not operating as a veterinarian clinic, then you won't fall into that veterinary

01:52:00.240 --> 01:52:01.240
 clinic.

01:52:01.240 --> 01:52:04.440
 Okay, thank you for your time.

01:52:04.440 --> 01:52:05.440
 Sure.

01:52:05.440 --> 01:52:06.440
 Absolutely.

01:52:06.440 --> 01:52:17.700
 Any questions or discussions?

01:52:17.700 --> 01:52:18.700
 Commissioner Riggs?

01:52:18.700 --> 01:52:24.260
 I'd make a motion to approve as staff recommended.

01:52:24.260 --> 01:52:26.520
 And Commissioner Padron?

01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:30.560
 Second.

01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:35.320
 I will close the public hearing.

01:52:35.320 --> 01:52:42.800
 And with that, I'll call for a vote on the board.

01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:47.480
 That item passes 4-0, thank you.

01:52:47.480 --> 01:52:53.400
 That brings us to our Planning and Zoning Commission matrix.

01:52:53.400 --> 01:52:56.640
 Are there any updates, Tina?

01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:58.600
 So just a few things to bring to your attention.

01:52:58.600 --> 01:53:02.240
 So no changes to the matrix since there were no requests from the last meeting.

01:53:02.240 --> 01:53:08.280
 Also, wanted to share with you just past City Council action since your meeting on the 9th

01:53:08.280 --> 01:53:09.280
 of April.

01:53:09.280 --> 01:53:12.680
 So we did have a specific use permit for equipment sales and rental.

01:53:12.680 --> 01:53:17.120
 If you recall, this property was west of I-35, east of the terminus of Jim Crystal Road,

01:53:17.120 --> 01:53:19.360
 about 1,000 feet north of West Oak.

01:53:19.360 --> 01:53:24.800
 So it was a property that I believe Erin presented and had quite a few easements that encumbered

01:53:24.800 --> 01:53:25.800
 this site.

01:53:25.800 --> 01:53:30.000
 And so the commission recommended approval and council ended up approving that specific

01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:31.000
 use permit.

01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:36.040
 So that's the only action that we've had that the commission has seen since your last meeting.

01:53:36.040 --> 01:53:38.080
 Excuse me just a moment.

01:53:38.080 --> 01:53:39.560
 Excuse me.

01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:43.200
 A couple other things I'd like to bring to your attention.

01:53:43.200 --> 01:53:45.560
 So May is National Preservation Month.

01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:50.160
 And so our team, in particular, our Historic Preservation Officer, Cameron Robertson, will

01:53:50.160 --> 01:53:51.720
 give her a shout out.

01:53:51.720 --> 01:53:58.640
 City as well as has some partners, particularly with the county, that do a series of events

01:53:58.640 --> 01:54:01.120
 referred to as their Denton Revealed program.

01:54:01.120 --> 01:54:04.600
 So I would encourage you to take a look at that, especially if historic preservation

01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:06.200
 is of interest to you.

01:54:06.200 --> 01:54:08.840
 They have several events that are planned during the month of May.

01:54:08.840 --> 01:54:12.140
 For more information about that, you can go to the city's website and just do a search

01:54:12.140 --> 01:54:15.420
 for Denton Revealed and that'll bring up that schedule events they have planned.

01:54:15.420 --> 01:54:18.980
 So this is their fourth annual Denton Revealed event.

01:54:18.980 --> 01:54:22.460
 So they've had a tremendous amount of success with this.

01:54:22.460 --> 01:54:25.120
 Also for the month of May is Building Safety Month.

01:54:25.120 --> 01:54:31.960
 So our team assists, our planning team assists our building safety team, which includes all

01:54:31.960 --> 01:54:37.000
 of our plans examiners as well as our building inspectors and our permit technicians with

01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:38.400
 review of applications.

01:54:38.400 --> 01:54:41.600
 But just wanted to acknowledge the Building Safety Month because I know that team works

01:54:41.600 --> 01:54:46.200
 really diligently and we were able to provide them that support to be able to review all

01:54:46.200 --> 01:54:51.160
 of the buildings that are constructed in town and/or modified that would require any permits

01:54:51.160 --> 01:54:54.840
 associated with them as well as follow-up building inspections to make sure that the

01:54:54.840 --> 01:55:02.200
 occupancy is safe for the public's entrance into those facilities.

01:55:02.200 --> 01:55:05.720
 So just want to give them a shout out, but also bring that to your attention.

01:55:05.720 --> 01:55:08.800
 So I think we'll have an acknowledgement of the Building Safety Month at council's

01:55:08.800 --> 01:55:11.140
 meeting on May 6th.

01:55:11.140 --> 01:55:14.820
 And then lastly, just want to welcome Shirley McDade to the Planning and Zoning Commission.

01:55:14.820 --> 01:55:21.480
 She was appointed and Commissioner Prado Carillo was having work conflicts and unfortunately

01:55:21.480 --> 01:55:23.200
 resigned from the commission last week.

01:55:23.200 --> 01:55:29.000
 So I know the council is considering possible appointments to that position.

01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:33.760
 So hopefully we'll have Ms. McDade completed all of her paperwork so she can join the commission

01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:35.940
 at your next meeting on May 14th.

01:55:35.940 --> 01:55:41.400
 So that concludes my remarks and happy to address anything else.

01:55:41.400 --> 01:55:47.340
 Any additions to the matrix?

01:55:47.340 --> 01:55:48.340
 Not seeing any.

01:55:48.340 --> 01:55:51.060
 That brings us to our concluding items.

01:55:51.060 --> 01:55:56.000
 Any concluding items to mention from the commission?

01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:57.480
 I have one.

01:55:57.480 --> 01:56:00.560
 Oh, early voting has started.

01:56:00.560 --> 01:56:09.920
 So please go participate in the wonderful opportunity that we have to elect our municipal

01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:14.760
 leaders, both at the school district and the council level, who have great influence over

01:56:14.760 --> 01:56:18.920
 our daily lives.

01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:23.800
 Seeing nothing else, with no objection, I will adjourn this meeting of the Planning

01:56:23.800 --> 01:56:24.800
 and Zoning Commission.

01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:25.080
 Thank you.