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 Good afternoon, at 5.02 p.m. on April 23rd, I will call our work session of the Denton

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 Planning and Zoning Commission to order.

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 The first item on the work session report or first item in our work section is to look

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 at the consent agenda.

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 Any questions on the consent agenda, clarification items?

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 Seeing none, any, okay, sorry, that brings us to, I apologize, I stapled this and I stapled

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 it backwards, so here we are, yes.

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 So the, we will go through the individual items for consideration, yeah, right, okay.

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 I didn't know if you wanted an agenda that was in the correct order.

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 No, I'm just confusing myself here, thank you.

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 So the first item 4A, FP250014A, good afternoon, sorry.

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 Okay, we're confusing each other now instead of ourselves.

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 Good evening, Commission, Bryce Van Arsdale, Assistant Planner, this is FP250014A.

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 This is the final plat for approximately 19 acres intended for single family residential

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 use.

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 This is on the individual consideration portion of the agenda due to some comments we were

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 working through late last week, but this plat has reached approval and we have no further

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 issues with recommending approval for this plat and I'll stand for any questions.

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 Seeing no questions, thank you, Bryce.

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 Next item, PP250002, I think Matt is going to present this one this evening.

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 Good evening, Commission, Matt Bodean standing in for Ashley Exet.

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 This is a preliminary plat located in the west part of the ETJ, approximately 269 acres

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 site.

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 It's meant for a single family residential subdivision.

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 At this time, staff recommends denial as the preliminary plat does not comply with all

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 of our criteria, however, staff has no objection to the year first extension request to a date

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 certain of May 14, 2025.

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 Seeing no questions, thank you very much, Matt, we'll see you.

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 Item CFR250010, Julie.

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 Good evening, Julie Wyatt, I'm presenting the Ryan High School replat.

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 This property is located in the east part of town on the north side of McKinney and

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 east of May Hill.

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 The purpose of the replat is to add some additional property to the Ryan High School campus to

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 accommodate the updated transportation facility as well as some changes to the campus.

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 They do have some items that they need to resolve in order for staff to recommend approval,

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 so we are recommending denial, however, we have no objection to the requested extension

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 to the May 14th meeting.

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 Seeing no questions, we'll see you at the meeting.

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 That brings us to item DV250023.

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 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission.

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 This is V250023, a subdivision variance for Harris Ranch Industrial Plat.

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 This project is located west of I-35 and approximately 1700 feet south of Loop 288.

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 This subdivision variance is associated with the development of 84 acres for future industrial

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 use.

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 The industrial project has undergone their zoning compliance plan and staff has approved

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 that.

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 They have not come forward with the plat just yet, as they are wanting to come forward with

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 this subdivision variance before they prepare that plat.

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 If it is approved, you would see that plat before this body as well.

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 This subdivision variance is specifically to allow two proposed lots that are highlighted

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 in yellow to take access off public access easements rather than public streets.

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 The DDC does allow for this if the area between the lots and the street is already developed.

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 In this case, it is not already developed, which is why they are requesting this variance.

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 They are requesting it due to ownership considerations.

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 The whole outlined area in red in the upper left graphic is owned by the same owner, Mr.

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 Harris, today.

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 He wishes to retain ownership of the yellow portions, which is a gas well pad site and

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 a communications pad site.

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 The rest of this portion, the 84 acres, would be developed for industrial use, so this variance

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 would allow these lots to take access off and access easement as they do already today.

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 Staff is recommending approval, and I will stand for any questions.

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 I will have a longer presentation in the main session.

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 Do all the commissioners know about what a subdivision variance is about?

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 We've had training in the past, but is there something particularly you want us to address?

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 No, I just wasn't sure if this was meant to calculate.

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 That brings us to our public hearings.

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 The first one is Z250005, doubleheader with Matt, this evening.

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 Good evening, commission, Matt Bourdine, assistant planner, here to present a rezoning request

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 for the new Denton Fire Station 6.

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 So in summary, this is a request to rezone approximately three acres of land from a planned

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 development district to our public facilities district.

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 It is important to note that this is for the purpose of developing Fire Station 6.

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 City Council did approve the purchase of this land specifically for a new Fire Station facility

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 This request does advance the Denton 2040 plan, is found to be aligned with the future

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 land use map.

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 Staff is recommending approval of this request.

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 I have a longer presentation, but here to answer any questions.

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 I don't see any, thank you, Matt.

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 And then our second public hearing, DCA 24-0011.

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 Good evening, commission, Bryce Bannersdale, assistant planner.

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 This is DCA 24-0011, related to the addition of commercial animal services to the land

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 use categories within the Denton Development Code.

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 Currently, most domestic animal related land uses will fall under either the kennel land

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 However, as we continue to monitor market development, we often see multiple businesses

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 percentage of the business, which is located as an outdoor component.

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 We did bring this back to the commission in September of last year, and due to some noticing

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 requirements, we wanted to make sure that the city was meeting.

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 With our first round of noticing, we did have four responses, one in favor, three in opposition.

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 The responses in opposition were largely related to the verbiage in the state mandated 929 notice,

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 and I do have a slide with that if the commission would like to see it.

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 It's a little bit heavy handed and generally lose the fact that they may lose the ability

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 We do introduce some use of civic standards, and this will allow the city to better address

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 some of these new businesses as they come into the city.

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 I'll stand for any questions.

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 but not really affects, because you said they're going to continue to operate, are they going

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 to be like grandfathered in, and would there be a possibility if they had to change something

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 There are several businesses that are being deemed as conforming based on our ordinance.

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 We're not asking them to stop operating or anything along those lines.

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 This is state mandated down to the font, the boldness, and the size of the text.

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 Sorry, Commissioner Biggs?

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 So this is just to kind of clear up language, but they're still conforming or is there non-conforming

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 to continue in perpetuity, but they are not able to expand without coming into conformance.

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 conformance and the city later changes the rules associated with it, sometimes the changing

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 of the rules will make them non-conforming.

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 businesses that we are declaring as would continue to remain conforming.

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 If I can find the right page.

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 So this item is a corridor study for US 380 or a portion of it, and I will just first

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 It is a more lengthy presentation.

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 It's circled here in yellow on this map to kind of orient you.

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 the future land use designation in this area considering the existing conditions both within

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 the city and within the ETJ just outside of this area since it does border some city property

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 To the north and south, it extends approximately 250 feet north and south of the right-of-way.

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 It was annexed in the 1960s and '70s, and most of this area, as you can see in this

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 This was, when it was annexed, was originally residential like the other property around

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 here and transitioned to general retail in 1989, transitioning with our current code

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 to that mixed-use neighborhood, and this property today is undeveloped agricultural land, similar

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 to that teal color, that general office property just to the north.

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 The last one I will point out is this brownish color.

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 Just south of the subject area here, this is the city limits portion.

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 All the colored portion here that's not the light blue is within the city limits.

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 This brownish color was annexed into a plan development, a residential plan development.

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 In 2002, it was taken out of that plan development into a neighborhood residential four and transitioned

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 today to residential four.

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 Much of this brown color is undeveloped today, but just south of it, we do have some existing

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 single-family residences down Lakeview Boulevard there, and there has been recent development

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 interest to continue this residential pattern in this area.

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 This slide shows the existing conditions of the area.

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 You'll notice that there's a few different uses, but the primary use is this residential,

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 it's hard to tell with the colors, but sort of a light tan color and some vacant property

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 within the corridor area.

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 And then the other uses we see are industrial and commercial pockets in the ETJ that sort

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 of extend with their driveways that cross through city limits.

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 So the first one to talk about is this Greenbelt Business Park.

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 We see a variety of commercial uses here from personal service uses, offices, some general

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 retail.

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 And then to the south of the corridor, we do have some industrial uses here with high-impact

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 manufacturing and self-service storage.

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 These are both outside of city limits in the ETJ.

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 It's sort of a little hard to see, but it's the dashed black line sort of designates where

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 it is, and there's labels as well here, where is ETJ and where is city limits.

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 So the corridor plus this vacant area would be city limits, and then these industrial

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 and commercial areas are technically outside of the city, but still important to consider

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 in this discussion.

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 And then as I mentioned previously, there is that residential area that exists off Lake

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 View that is zoned Residential 4.

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 So mobility, US 380 is designated as a freeway.

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 It is a textile roadway, six lanes, divided freeway.

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 And it does have sidewalks on both the north and south side of the corridor within this

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 subject area.

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 It does serve as the largest and most direct east-west regional connector between Denton

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 and the municipalities to the east.

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 In the upper right-hand corner, that map with the yellow highlighted area does show how

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 this would be a very easy area to navigate from I-35 all the way going east towards all

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 of the neighboring cities to the east.

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 And it does staff, in doing this analysis and this research, we compared the different

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 parts of US 380 to really see how much traffic this study area receives.

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 We found that it does receive even more than the Razor Ranch area.

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 Razor Ranch sees in 2022, NCT Cog, their data showed that Razor Ranch was over 40,000 trips

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 per day, and this subject area was over 46,000.

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 There also are some major improvements that are projected in the area.

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 So future Loop 288 and the US 380 connector is a planned project by TxDOT.

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 It is anticipated to start in the next few years, but probably not anticipated completion

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 until 2035.

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 And this will be, as you see in this bottom map, this dashed black connector here to streamline

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 this connection from US 380 to 288, ultimately all the way to 35.

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 And this improvement is anticipated to increase trips per day drastically, up to over 80,000

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 trips per day in the subject area by 2050.

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 There could be additional improvements by TxDOT in the subject area.

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 You'll see in the next few slides where this connector project stops and where the subject

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 area begins, TxDOT has expressed there could be improvements in that area in the future,

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 but that is not planned yet.

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 So to look a little bit about TxDOT's very draft schematics, this is not set in stone.

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 Things could change.

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 This what you see, you'll see 288 and 380, where that connector will connect those two

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 roadways.

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 This will be a raised elevated freeway with no frontage roads.

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 And at Gisling Road is where 380 and the connector will sort of combine, and the orange will

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 stay as that elevated freeway.

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 And on the sides, you see a bit more here, those green frontage roads that would go along

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 the businesses just off of 380 and Gisling at the corner.

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 And continuing up to the subject area outlined in pink, that would be, as we know, 380 today

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 until TxDOT makes any future improvements.

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 So here just continuing along that corridor would be the subject area.

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 Again, TxDOT may come through and make future improvements to this area.

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 We do have Chandra here to speak on any of that if you have questions, but with no definite

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 plans yet, it's hard to imagine what that might look like.

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 So to quickly summarize these considerations, this is a gateway into Denton from Collin

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 County.

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 It is an important area to the city.

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 It also does serve as a six-lane freeway.

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 So it is not necessarily appropriate for residential driveways right off of 380.

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 In 2002, over 46,000 vehicles passed through in a day.

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 It's a very, very trafficked roadway.

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 Much of the corridor is vacant or has driveways into commercial and industrial uses in the

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 ETJ.

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 And it's unlikely to develop as rural residential or agriculture, which is what the current

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 future land use map designates it for today.

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 Staff also did meet with several other departments.

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 We met with economic development, with sustainability, transportation, sat in on TxDOT meetings.

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 So there was a lot of collaboration in coming up with our recommendations, which we will

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 get into.

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 So currently, we have that low residential, light industrial, and rural areas.

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 Staff is recommending to update these future land use designations to a majority of light

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 industrial for the corridor, for the eastern portion and the portion north of Lakeview

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 Boulevard, and then just south of the corridor near Lakeview Boulevard would be community

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 mixed use.

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 To get into these designations, so the light industrial future land use designation is

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 intended for those light industrial uses, but also does include those supporting uses

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 such as offices, retail, and restaurants.

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 This area should also, by the Comprehensive Plan, have adequate access to infrastructure,

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 including the transportation network, which staff does believe this would satisfy those

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 needs.

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 It's consistent with the current development pattern of already seeing light industrial

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 uses in the area and adjacent just to the west of the study area, and would consider

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 the 380 roadway design and improvements.

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 So some of these zoning districts that we could see aligned with this future land use

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 designation would be those light industrial districts, but also general office and suburban

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 corridor that would offer that more commercial development.

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 And then the community mixed use designation that we are recommending for the southwest

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 corner of the subject area is intended to remain predominantly commercial, but where

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 residential service or other uses could be complementary.

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 This future land use designation really is intended for a mix of uses and is intended

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 to complement and embrace existing uses.

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 So the reason staff would be recommending this is due to that residential development

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 that we already do see here, and we do anticipate just south of this area, with it being residential

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 for there already is that residential interest for development.

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 This use is also intended to create that sense of place and support the existing uses.

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 And some of the zoning districts that could align would be suburban corridor or mixed

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 use regional.

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 There is just a clip of that vacant and residential area that we do see south of where Lakeview

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 meets 380.

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 This future land use designation and the zoning districts associated with it would really

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 provide that buffer from industrial uses and traffic along 380 and provide those neighborhood

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 services that would be appropriate to serve those residential uses.

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 So with that, we are requesting your feedback.

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 Next steps would be neighborhood engagement to reach out to these property owners and

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 discuss with them some of the ones that already have come forward to staff with development

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 interests.

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 We'd like to hear from them of this discussion, but we would indeed reach out to the others

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 as well.

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 And then staff would come forward if this body supported this with a future land use

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 map amendment to planning zoning commission and then to city council at a later date.

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 But I am happy to answer any questions and receive feedback.

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 Thank you, Erin.

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 Before we get really rolling, one thing I didn't hear was any background and the requirements

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 on gaining access to property through a different zoning district.

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 I recall there were some modifications we made to the code to require that.

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 And then I think that has some bearing here.

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 So if you could try to talk through that, that would help.

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 Yes.

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 So Tina can correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that that requirement

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 that you do have to access your use through a zoning district that allows the use was

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 created with the 2019 code after the establishment of these uses, or at least it was after these

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 uses.

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 Yeah.

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 Actually, we made that amendment a couple of years ago because it was just an adopted

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 practice that stemmed from properties within the ETJ taking access through our properties

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 that were within the city limits.

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 But Erin's correct.

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 Right now it's now codified in our development code for that purpose.

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 And these uses are also within the ETJ, so it is a bit trickier there, but that would

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 still be our current regulation.

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 Questions?

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 Commissioner Riggs.

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 So we're talking about doing the mixed use and the residential could go in that area

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 as well.

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 I assume they would not be able to add any more driveway access to 380, or they'd have

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 to come off of Trinity or Lakeview?

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 They would need to meet all spacing separation distances, so it's likely those would come

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 off of Lakeview.

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 I think that the spacing is pretty far along a freeway for sure, and so likely that you

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 would see them off of Lakeview, but once those came forward, they could review that with

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 text dot if they meet spacing distances.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 Commissioner Dyer.

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 So the reason for the light industrial is, is Denton in need of that, having more of

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 that zoning?

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 Like are you running out of space that you're seeing that developers are requesting more

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 light industrial?

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 I guess my concern is putting light industrial where there's a lot of residential area, and

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 if you've already got the one little section for office, like why that wouldn't just, you

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 know, office or retail, you know, kind of wouldn't just get expanded.

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 So let's see which one.

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 So the uses in this area, most of the residential that we do see is further back to the north

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 and south within the ETJ, and staff doesn't recommend or expect the residential directly

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 along US 380 to continue.

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 So we don't anticipate the residential in the rear portions off of the corridor to necessarily

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 go away, but we wouldn't see those, those remaining within the corridor itself.

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 No, I mean, I agree.

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 Like that's probably not a good space to put residential.

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 I'm just curious why light industrial over something, something else that is not residential,

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 but would be a little bit better transition to residential.

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 Do you want me to help him?

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 Sure.

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 Go ahead.

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 So great question.

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 So we, we studied this area quite a bit looking at what are our options under our comprehensive

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 plan.

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 So I'm going from memory, I don't have the document in front of me.

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 So Erin and Julie, correct me if I'm wrong on this, but you know, our options that we

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 have in the comp plan are we've got our light industrial designation.

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 Actually, we've got a more heavy industrial, but we felt like that was not appropriate

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 in this area.

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 So we've got light industrial.

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 We also have a suburban quarter land use recommendation that we have.

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 We also have one that is referred to as business center.

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 Chair Perot might remember it as business innovation.

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 We made some adjustments to it to try and better define what we mean by business center.

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 It's truly more employment, campus employment type uses being associated with that.

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 So in looking at more of our commercial land use designations, we felt like really those

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 are the ones that we're working with.

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 I guess Julie, am I leaving any of them out?

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 In terms of ones in this area, yeah.

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 So because like the neighborhood commercial type recommendations would not be appropriate

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 for this area.

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 So yeah, we look at what we had available in our comprehensive plan, doing the evaluation

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 of the existing conditions that are out there, thinking about longer term, what might be

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 appropriate and then also the fact that we do have 380 there.

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 We felt like it was not appropriate, hold on a second, excuse me.

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 We felt like it was not appropriate to establish that suburban quarter designation in the area

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 because we could anticipate that happening in areas maybe further west into town.

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 And particularly in the areas that are closer to like loop 288 and US 380.

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 Given the distance that we have from this area to the west, you know, could we have

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 other pockets be more appropriate for that designation?

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 Possibly so.

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 But given the residential uses that exist today as well as some of the other businesses,

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 at least in that small portion that's on the Southwest quadrant, we felt like the community

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 mixed use designation would be most appropriate if uses were to change within near that intersection

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 of North Trinity and 380.

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 You know, everything else within that quarter, given what we've got, especially with some

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 of the industrial uses that are there, that's where we felt the light industrial designation

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 would be more appropriate and then also evaluating those zoning districts that are in alignment

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 with it.

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 Do we have a shortage of light industrial zoning in town?

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 Probably not.

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 Just given that we've got light industrial zoning elsewhere in the communities where

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 it meets those particular needs and those areas of the community.

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 So hence why we are looking at, okay, what might be most appropriate in this area?

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 Keep in mind, this is a future land use planning exercise, so policy 30,000 foot level consideration

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 here.

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 If we were doing actual zoning of the quarter, then we would get much more granular in looking

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 at, okay, what are the, not just the zoning districts that would be appropriate for the

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 area, but then are there additional standards that might need to be able to come into play?

470
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,040
 But from a land use standpoint, given the existing conditions, kind of knowing the future

471
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,880
 that how this quarter could evolve, as well as areas north and south, if they were eventually

472
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,840
 to annex in the city, given those uses that are there, that's where we landed on these

473
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,280
 land use recommendations.

474
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,160
 So we're looking to see, do you concur with our analysis and where we landed?

475
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,480
 If you think that what we've come up with is not appropriate, would love to hear that

476
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,480
 as well.

477
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:48,760
 But I'll acknowledge that this is a challenging area to try and ascertain, okay, as we look

478
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,360
 to the future, what types of uses might be appropriate in this area, given the existing

479
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,920
 conditions that are there, but also where the area might be evolving.

480
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:04,440
 I would just add to go off your question of why we didn't extend the community mixed use

481
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,440
 further into this.

482
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,080
 So some of those existing uses, like Tina was saying, that they are already commercial

483
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,840
 industrial uses, they also are a bit more intense uses that we, the light industrial

484
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,760
 might sort of balance that out.

485
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,980
 It does provide those industrial uses, but also allows for restaurants and office and

486
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:31,120
 commercial uses that would kind of bridge the gap between some of those residential

487
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:37,560
 areas and the current heavier industrial that we see in the area today.

488
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,040
 Will you be sharing that beautiful little grid that has all the different zones and

489
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,720
 all the things you can put in there?

490
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:50,280
 Because it's not, it wasn't in the packet, and so will that, will we see that in the...

491
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,160
 So that's normally, we'll provide that typically when we have a rezoning request.

492
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,720
 If you feel that that's additional information, I'm like, Erin's got a whole bunch of slides

493
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,020
 buried since she had that already.

494
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:05,960
 For me, it's just helpful to see that information and what all goes into these different zoning

495
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,960
 areas.

496
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,960
 Right.

497
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,520
 So keep in mind, you have your land use categories as provided for in the Conference of Plans.

498
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,800
 So we have one that actually has the same name as of a zoning district that we have.

499
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,960
 But before we get into some of this deeper analysis, Erin, can you go back to your two

500
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,840
 slides that speak to the zoning districts that we typically view as in alignment with

501
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,560
 the land use category recommendations?

502
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,560
 Yes.

503
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,880
 So keep in mind, we're talking land use category, higher level, and then we have a series of

504
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,520
 zoning districts that we view are consistent with those land use designations, right?

505
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,200
 So I just want to have Erin go back over these here for the light industrial and then also

506
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,600
 for the community mixed use.

507
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,600
 Okay.

508
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,600
 Thank you.

509
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,600
 That might help.

510
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,760
 And then if you want to look at those use tables, then we can look at that as well.

511
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,440
 But I just want to kind of help paint that picture for you.

512
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,440
 Okay.

513
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,440
 Yes.

514
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,440
 And I can go ahead and kind of summarize some of them.

515
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,880
 So in light industrial future land use designation, we would typically see, and this is not a

516
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,920
 comprehensive list, as any developer came forward with a rezoning request, we would

517
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,000
 do a full evaluation.

518
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,960
 But these are the typical ones we see associated with future land use light industrial, would

519
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,360
 be that light industrial zoning district, general office, and suburban corridor.

520
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:34,560
 Some of the uses, so you'd see things like general retail, car washes, I can kind of

521
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,600
 name a few, self-service storage.

522
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:44,760
 These are typical things that we would see with light industrial.

523
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:51,600
 In addition to all of the sort of warehouse uses, restaurants could be approved.

524
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,200
 That would be a quick summary there.

525
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,680
 And then for community mixed use, we would typically see suburban corridor and mixed

526
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,580
 use regional.

527
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:08,200
 And again, this future land use does say that residential could be appropriate, so it makes

528
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:14,560
 sense having that nearby residential, but this is more services for residential uses.

529
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:21,840
 So again, your restaurants, your offices, your medical office, or your small office

530
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,960
 space, things in that alignment.

531
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,960
 And I'm happy to go through that table that I pulled up.

532
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,640
 It's just a little, it's hard to navigate through considering many different zoning

533
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:34,640
 districts.

534
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:44,800
 I was going to say, while she's pulling those up, because of the interest that we have from

535
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,240
 property owners in this area, we're trying to help them identify a path forward.

536
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:55,320
 The alternative to this analysis that we've done is those property owners would come in

537
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,160
 one at a time and submit future land use map requests one at a time, and you would evaluate

538
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,320
 those applications.

539
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:08,060
 And so we felt it was appropriate to look at this one mile stretch more holistically

540
00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:15,120
 to be able to see and get your assistance on what would be appropriate to see in this

541
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,120
 quarter because then that helps us later on with these property owners and helping them

542
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,240
 get that path forward.

543
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:28,920
 At this time, if we find some concurrence with respect to our land use recommendations,

544
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,280
 we then subsequently would go ahead and do a map amendment to our future land use map

545
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,540
 and run that through the public hearing process after doing some additional engagement as

546
00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:40,720
 Aaron pointed to, but then we would allow these applicants to come in with their individual

547
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:45,000
 zoning requests at whatever time that they are ready to.

548
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,040
 We are not looking to rezone this area of the quarter because we want the ability for

549
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,640
 the property owners to be able to come in and make those requests and be able to address

550
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,600
 those finer granular level of zoning considerations at that time.

551
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:05,320
 So again, we were hoping to have some discussion about those land use categories that are being

552
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,560
 recommended and then to see if there's concurrence as to how to move forward.

553
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,200
 Keep in mind, the status quo is an option, right?

554
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,960
 So the status quo does not necessarily help out the property owners, but then know that

555
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,960
 they will have those applications come in one at a time and we would be piecemealing

556
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,320
 this together versus us trying to take a little bit more comprehensive review of this.

557
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:33,360
 A couple of you may have been, I know you two were on the Teasley Lane case that we

558
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,480
 had across from Denton Geyer High School.

559
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,320
 We have an area that's kind of evolved in a property owner move forward with that zoning

560
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,040
 change.

561
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,760
 That quarter could benefit from greater analysis and what have you, so we're trying to kind

562
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,720
 of find a happy medium and try to prevent maybe some of that type situation from happening

563
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:56,400
 to be able to help these property owners get a path forward.

564
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:02,520
 Commissioner Riggs.

565
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,520
 So I have a question.

566
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,480
 I think one of the things, Erin, you had in your presentation was this is a gateway from

567
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,600
 Collin County into Denton County.

568
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:15,720
 So I think one of the thoughts is, is do we want like a lot of mini storage or light industrial

569
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:22,720
 type of uses in this gateway corridor, but I guess can you go through why this is maybe

570
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:28,640
 the best land use as opposed to because we don't have like a commercial land use designation.

571
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:35,560
 So I do have a design consideration slide.

572
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:42,400
 So I'll just remind you that it is pretty, it's not a very deep corridor to the north

573
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,400
 and south.

574
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,520
 So you can kind of see some of those existing uses there today.

575
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,660
 Some of those larger scale warehouses would not even fit in this area entirely within

576
00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:56,760
 city limits.

577
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,960
 As for the gateway and keeping it beautiful and preserving what we would want to see in

578
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:09,160
 a gateway to the city, within the ETJ, we don't have that land use authority to review.

579
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:16,160
 So if something was pushed further back, that would already not be a consideration there.

580
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,960
 We also do have general DDC standards for how these new businesses would need to look,

581
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,820
 architectural design features, landscaping, tree preservation.

582
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:33,280
 So all of that would be addressed sort of, we didn't think it was necessary to make it

583
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:43,740
 corridor specific since we do have those standards within the DDC for all uses.

584
00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:50,400
 So I appreciate the information on sort of the future mobility direction that things

585
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,640
 are going.

586
00:43:52,640 --> 00:44:03,520
 I'd like to better understand how this melds with our Vision Zero components that are ongoing

587
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:10,480
 and I don't want to just make too many assumptions, right?

588
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:16,680
 Is it correct that right now many, if not the majority of our injury and fatality crashes

589
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:24,420
 are along the high speed roadways, be it 35 and that sort of thing?

590
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:41,920
 I might let Chandra answer that one.

591
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,880
 Good afternoon, Commissioners, Farhan Bhatt, Deputy Director, Transportation Services Division.

592
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:53,640
 When it comes to high injury network data that we are right now analyzing from Vision

593
00:44:53,640 --> 00:45:06,800
 Zero study, yes, part of I-35 segments, they have fatalities and serious incapacitating

594
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:13,040
 injury crashes, but then when it comes to city streets, they are sporadic.

595
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:21,180
 There are like 15 locations that we have identified across on different arterials and they are

596
00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:26,360
 not focused on just one corridor, but they are sporadic.

597
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:35,880
 Yeah, I guess when I look at this, and I appreciate how can we look at this holistically instead

598
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:42,420
 of piecemeal thing, I really understand that and encourage that.

599
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:55,640
 If I were to look out 20 years from now after the 288/380 connector was complete and something

600
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:05,040
 had changed about this corridor, would we expect the safety of the traffic here to be

601
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,840
 influenced by what land uses are around it?

602
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,160
 It is always, it always will be a factor.

603
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:22,960
 How much of a factor, it's still to be seen, how it shifts up.

604
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:34,120
 But when it comes to fatalities and serious injury crashes on interstate, that is reviewed

605
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:43,360
 and fixed by TxDOT through their road safety process, and then as we go ahead with our

606
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:50,960
 Vision Zero approach, we are planning to address all these frequent crash locations, in particular

607
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,720
 fatalities and serious injury locations on city streets.

608
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:02,520
 Now when the land use changes, hopefully those Vision Zero policies will be implemented by

609
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,160
 that time, 20 years time frame for sure, and then they will bring returns when it comes

610
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,440
 to safety within the city.

611
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,280
 Okay.

612
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,840
 Any questions, discussion?

613
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,400
 Commissioner Patron?

614
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,360
 In regards to safety strategies, can you give some examples of what those strategies could

615
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,960
 be?

616
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,800
 I can broadly mention a few, but they are in process right now.

617
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:42,520
 For example, first few avenues that we are looking at is our serious incapacitating injuries

618
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:56,160
 and frequent fatalities, hotspots, and then we will audit those locations on priority

619
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:03,000
 and fixed, and try to implement whatever findings are based on those, we will provide implementation

620
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,480
 solutions.

621
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,680
 On the other side, we are also looking at posted speeds, but that is still a broad topic

622
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:15,240
 because TxDOT will be playing some role in there, and then also it will be brought to

623
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,280
 Council for further action.

624
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:26,800
 And then also we are looking at urban core areas, how other modes are providing connectivity.

625
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:33,560
 For example, if the pedestrians are crossing these facilities safely, if they are dedicated

626
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,560
 exclusive bike lanes, or if they are providing continuity to those bike lanes from origin

627
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:49,640
 to destination, first mile, last mile, all those factors are we are considering and more.

628
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:56,800
 I guess in general, is there a correlation between the speed of a roadway and whether

629
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,200
 those crashes are more or less likely to create injuries and death?

630
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:09,720
 Generally, based on previous data, yes, speed has correlation with fatalities related accidents,

631
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:16,680
 but then there are in-cabin underlying causalities, there are factors that would need deeper data

632
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,400
 interpretation and analytics, and then we could go to those, but yes, speed is directly

633
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,320
 correlated with fatalities.

634
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,960
 Okay, thank you.

635
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:38,240
 I guess a question for Chair Pruitt, so just trying to help understand then with your line

636
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:44,520
 of questioning, how does that influence then the recommendations that were coming forth

637
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,560
 and kind of where you are thinking from that perspective?

638
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,560
 Sure.

639
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,040
 Yeah, I appreciate that.

640
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,560
 I don't want to put a heavy foot down, so to speak, because I want to hear what others

641
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:56,960
 are thinking.

642
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:04,560
 My -- I mean, right now, as you've shown, there's a mixture of things.

643
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,840
 Most of them are in the ATJ, et cetera.

644
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:16,240
 There's people with development interests coming in, understand that.

645
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:20,840
 When I look out, you know, this will be basically a connector between a freeway and a freeway,

646
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,960
 so its future designation is freeway.

647
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,440
 When I look at other freeway segments within our city that were developed before they became

648
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:36,200
 a freeway, there's safety concerns there, right, because we have -- you have existing

649
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:44,320
 landowners that had, you know, lots developed, and you can't just take their access away

650
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,980
 and say, well, your building is worthless now.

651
00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:55,320
 And so because it's between those freeways, it seems like its major purpose should be

652
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,300
 to carry lots of vehicular traffic.

653
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:06,080
 When I look at the recommendations, it seems like the light industrial recommendation is

654
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:15,380
 kind of a compromise between the interests in the nearby property developers have for

655
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:22,920
 future development of their property and concerns about the corridor and how much turning vehicle

656
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,920
 traffic you're going to have, because I would imagine that for most but not all light industrial

657
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:35,680
 uses, right, if it's warehouses, it's primarily large truck traffic, right, but relatively

658
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,200
 few number of vehicles.

659
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:43,160
 But if it's some of the other uses, it could be, you know, car wash would have lots of

660
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,300
 turning vehicles, et cetera.

661
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:51,540
 So I understand that attempt to find a middle ground there.

662
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:58,240
 The community mixed use, I understand, because it matches something that's there now, but

663
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:05,200
 it doesn't make sense to me here, just because -- I'll just speak frankly, right?

664
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,720
 People are annoyed at Razor Ranch to a certain extent, right?

665
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:12,240
 I mean, we said, hey, this is this great new thing.

666
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:17,920
 They got sold a bill of goods to a certain extent of the area in south Razor Ranch that

667
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:24,760
 then changed hands, and I understand that whole history, but now it's a busy roadway

668
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:32,120
 that operates slowly, so it's a little bit safer than some other portions of 380, but

669
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:39,880
 thinking forward, if we're going to have this connector between two freeways and then approve

670
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:46,520
 a lot of land use changes along there so that there's congestion, so that it slows it down,

671
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:51,920
 well, maybe it's safer now, but now it's no longer facilitating that vehicular and truck

672
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,920
 traffic route desire.

673
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,760
 So yeah, that's where I am.

674
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,120
 I'm confused, but I want to hear what others are thinking.

675
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,520
 Does that make sense?

676
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:10,760
 Are you thinking that, like, I look on 380 to the east and how I've been told that, you

677
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,240
 know, that back in the day was just a two-lane road, and then they put it up to a four-lane

678
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:20,120
 road, and almost instantly, as soon as they were done with that, they realized that still

679
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:27,400
 was not enough because you have all the retail and restaurants and gas stations and grocery

680
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,520
 stores and developments, so you have entrances into the developments and out of the developments,

681
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,200
 and it's a hot mess when, you know, you have to head up that way.

682
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:43,800
 And are you thinking we might be bringing that kind of traffic pattern to this area,

683
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,760
 even though right now it's a six-lane?

684
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:54,720
 Yeah, so I think the recommendation from staff is not that much of a hands-off, free-for-all

685
00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:02,240
 scary thing as what has occurred out there.

686
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:06,360
 It's hard for me to evaluate, you know, if we were going to put it on a scale of danger

687
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:15,200
 of becoming that versus no land use changes and we have lower risk of that sort of thing

688
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,080
 happening, but then you also have the competing interests and the desire of landowners to

689
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,880
 come forward and bring development applications and staff not knowing really how to support

690
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:25,880
 that.

691
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,880
 Does that answer your question?

692
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,360
 Well, it was really more of a question for you, you know, and in your thought process

693
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,520
 and what you were just saying about comparing what happened with Rayser Ranch and what this

694
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,520
 could happen.

695
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:45,880
 And, you know, I'm looking at the 2040 future land use map, and yes, right to the west of

696
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:52,200
 this area, it is line industrial, and it's a pretty big chunk.

697
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:58,400
 So it's kind of, I guess, just extending that to the east and kind of starting that sooner.

698
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:05,160
 Yeah, I think from a mobility perspective, the difference I see there is that that chunk

699
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:12,980
 is kind of on less of a freeway because that's where the bypass will have been taken off,

700
00:55:12,980 --> 00:55:15,360
 at least once you get to Giesling.

701
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:23,960
 Yeah, I guess there's a quarter or half mile chunk between Giesling and this outlined area.

702
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,680
 Yeah.

703
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:29,680
 Commissioner Riggs.

704
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,520
 So, Aaron, I don't know if you could, but I think that might be helpful if we could

705
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:39,400
 pull up the land use map.

706
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,840
 Yes.

707
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,780
 I have it here.

708
00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:49,000
 You want something more zoomed in here?

709
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,160
 Well, mainly one of the things I was thinking of was the different categories of land use.

710
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,080
 You know, if we're talking about, you know, what would be an appropriate land use for

711
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,040
 this area, what exactly are our options?

712
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,040
 Okay.

713
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,120
 So staff did land on light industrial and community mixed use.

714
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,360
 I can go through some of the others that we considered for this.

715
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,840
 So I was going to say, Aaron, if you need to, maybe we can pull up on the internet.

716
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,240
 We've got our Denton 2040 plan, and Julie can tell us the page number of the tables

717
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:25,280
 that have all the different land use categories.

718
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,920
 Okay.

719
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,240
 I don't know if it'd be helpful to read it as well.

720
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:34,400
 Well, I was going to say, yeah, why don't you go to the page that she's pulled you to

721
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,160
 and then pull that up there, and then we can at least go over the different categories.

722
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,920
 And then if there are certain ones that we need to go into a little deeper dive, we can

723
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,920
 on those.

724
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:48,200
 If you would rather have Julie explain them, we can, you know, pull Julie into the conversation

725
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,200
 as well.

726
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,520
 So she's our comprehensive plan queen.

727
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,520
 So.

728
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:59,040
 And the reason I ask is I have the land up too, and I'm looking at the legend, and I'm

729
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,320
 really not seeing another land use that seemed like it would really be a good fit.

730
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,360
 So I think when we're talking about our options, that would be really helpful.

731
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,040
 And I have slides on several of them as well.

732
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,920
 So I'll kind of skip over some that are not appropriate.

733
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,920
 I think we're all under the same.

734
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,560
 Or I would just say kind of just quickly show the evolution of the uses, kind of how they're

735
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:24,560
 in there, because we haven't done our comprehensive plan boot camp yet, so there might be some

736
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,840
 benefit for just kind of walking through them.

737
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,520
 But then to your point, we can do a deeper dive on the ones that would be more appropriate.

738
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,520
 Okay.

739
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:37,560
 So agriculture for those pretty self-explanatory agricultural uses, rural areas, which is what

740
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,120
 we do already see, and that is one that I had a slide on as well.

741
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,880
 So I'll just show that real quick.

742
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:51,480
 So rural areas, we would typically see associated with rural residential zoning district.

743
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:56,120
 For those farms and ranches, it can have residential as well, but that's looking at one unit per

744
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,120
 five acres.

745
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,720
 So much larger lot somewhere even seen out there today.

746
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,960
 And then going back through their low residential, we see that in the corridor already.

747
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,980
 There's some of that today.

748
00:58:09,980 --> 00:58:17,080
 So also up to five units per acre could have some of those very smaller supporting uses,

749
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,080
 but mostly residential.

750
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,760
 And that's your typical single family residential subdivisions that you see throughout the community.

751
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,840
 Well, and I'll just jump in there too.

752
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,360
 Currently, the land use is low residential.

753
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,360
 Yes.

754
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:36,840
 And so to put to your point on a safety concern is because it is so narrow, it seems like

755
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:42,160
 if you're going to develop that as low residential, then every one of those lots would have to

756
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,400
 have a driveway access on the 380.

757
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,360
 And I can see that as being a big concern.

758
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:57,480
 Yeah, certainly it's also unlikely, I think.

759
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:05,960
 Part of the reason I asked for some background on the code requirement that a use that gains

760
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:15,040
 access through another property that it must have a zoning designation that allows that

761
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:23,600
 same use is because I see the future land use map here and the zoning, whatever zoning

762
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:29,840
 happens in the future as really guarding not what happens within 250 feet, but what happens

763
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,840
 beyond that.

764
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:31,840
 Right?

765
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:38,240
 If you've got a landowner either in the ETJ or the city who wants to put up use M in order

766
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:47,000
 to gain access to 380, that use would have to be approved in the use table for whatever

767
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,800
 zoning that property has, right?

768
00:59:52,800 --> 01:00:01,120
 So again, yeah, I could see residential happening, but it would be in larger lots of land, continuing

769
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:06,040
 further than 250 feet, in other words.

770
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:11,280
 Okay, I think I follow you.

771
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,280
 Okay.

772
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,240
 So continuing on, we have moderate residential.

773
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,680
 That's typically our more multi-family townhomes, those heavier supporting, you'll see restaurants

774
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:26,520
 and an office associated with that moderate residential, 5 to 12 dwelling units per acre.

775
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:32,040
 We have master plan community, so plan development.

776
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,320
 And then downtown Denton would not apply in this area.

777
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:43,800
 Regional mixed use is one, again, that we did, I believe, consider.

778
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,920
 No, we looked at neighborhood.

779
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:54,960
 So regional mixed use would be more along I-35, it even says it here in the designation.

780
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,320
 Still in those freeways, typically where we do have frontage roads.

781
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,080
 So that would be regional draws to an area.

782
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:10,400
 We don't necessarily see that in this area, it would be more along 35.

783
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:17,600
 Community mixed use is our current recommendation for this area.

784
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,840
 Neighborhood mixed use we do have, but that's going to be more nestled inside single family

785
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:27,520
 neighborhoods, so those smaller, you'll have a dentist office and your bank and nestled

786
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:34,960
 really inside an existing neighborhood, not along a high-speed corridor like this.

787
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,420
 Near universities, so that will not apply.

788
01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:43,400
 Business center is one of the other districts that we did evaluate.

789
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,340
 So this one kind of shows some of the highlights there.

790
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:50,240
 Some generally aligned zoning districts would be that general office, suburban corridor,

791
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,240
 but also highway corridor and mixed use regional.

792
01:01:54,240 --> 01:02:00,040
 These are a lot of those bigger draws, bigger offices, really a business center, so it's

793
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,720
 a little business community out there.

794
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:07,740
 One of the things that deterred us from this designation was the fact that this corridor

795
01:02:07,740 --> 01:02:09,960
 is so long and skinny.

796
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:16,000
 It doesn't really have the room out there to be a true business center, it is a corridor.

797
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,800
 And so it would have some of those smaller uses just with that direct access onto a freeway,

798
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,120
 we didn't think business center.

799
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,760
 This also encourages more walkability, retail, hotels.

800
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,720
 It wasn't an area that we saw fit for a business center.

801
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:39,680
 >> How many square miles or feet is this, how many acres is this area?

802
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:46,160
 >> Corridor is a mile long and then 250 feet north and south of the right of way.

803
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:53,800
 I can try to do the math, but -- >> I was going to say, you know, so while

804
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,800
 we focus predominantly on what's in the city limits, I guess just kind of -- Chair Pruitt

805
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,680
 said something that had me thinking also a little bit is, you know, this is the front

806
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:09,480
 door into the community, but it also potentially influences what happens in the ETJ.

807
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:15,920
 So if the concern is trying to potentially control land uses in a bigger swath of area

808
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:22,080
 by first starting with the strip that's within our city limits that we can control, you know,

809
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:27,080
 we can think about what the influence is to the north and the south longer term with the

810
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,520
 land use designation recommendation.

811
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,120
 I would probably still have some concerns regarding this particular land use designation

812
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:39,080
 being in this area just because of, particularly to the north, the existing single family residential,

813
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,560
 the larger lot neighborhood, the likelihood of those properties turning over and being

814
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,960
 assembled for something that's more akin to the types of land uses and development that

815
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:55,480
 we would see happen in this business center, I feel like this is a very small opportunity.

816
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,240
 You know, we can try and force the market and with the land use designations, I mean,

817
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,400
 there's that to consider as well, but I just, you know, in this particular instance, I don't

818
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,320
 see this land use designation being appropriate in this particular area.

819
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,440
 This I could see definitely more appropriate where we have it like north of loop 288, east

820
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:18,560
 of I-35, some of our zoning in that area I think is a little more entitled consistent

821
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,520
 with this, but that's where we see more of those larger opportunities from some larger

822
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,960
 scale campus style development.

823
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:31,560
 Are you thinking that some of those acreages located to the north of this area might sell

824
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:36,560
 and get developed like a developer could go in there and start buying them all up?

825
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,480
 Is that, are they that like?

826
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,440
 It's given them, given how they're located in Aaron, maybe you've got a better aerial.

827
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:53,240
 I'm trying to see, it's kind of easier to see, we've, Julie and I have driven down some

828
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:59,080
 of these streets, it's a, it's rural, but it's, I would say fairly established.

829
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:04,680
 We didn't anticipate this necessarily redeveloping, you'd have to buy up many different parcels

830
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,440
 to do that.

831
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:11,640
 It seemed to us to be pretty established residential that would carry on for a few generations

832
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,240
 maybe.

833
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:17,240
 So we didn't anticipate that redeveloping anytime soon.

834
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:22,160
 You know, of the larger properties that could potentially accommodate larger scale development,

835
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,320
 I mean, you'd be looking at the stuff that's to the south within the ETJ if they eventually

836
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,960
 annexed in or they could develop as they are right now, they're fairly industrial operations

837
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:31,960
 that are happening there.

838
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,960
 But I guess if somebody wanted to sell that property and do something different with it,

839
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,800
 you know, that that's one of the larger tracks, but you know, we rezoned that property that

840
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:47,480
 Aaron pointed out, that geo tract a couple of years ago, I think they, correct me if

841
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,280
 I'm wrong, I think you mentioned that they were looking at possibly bringing in the remaining

842
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,840
 balance into the city limits there.

843
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,520
 That has that general office designation on there, but even within the last two years,

844
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,360
 nothing's happened with that property.

845
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,920
 But that's one of the, I would say one of the larger properties we have in that area.

846
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,740
 And then when you had further west getting more into Denton, then you start getting some

847
01:06:07,740 --> 01:06:11,760
 larger parcels, but they've got south wires over there.

848
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,160
 So they've got a larger building footprint.

849
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,920
 And then you kind of have a mix of parcel sizes.

850
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:22,800
 And then as you get closer to loop 288 and, and 380, you have larger parcels that are

851
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,920
 developed as more of that warehouse distribution.

852
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:30,400
 So you know, you can see kind of the lot patterns that are to the north in this area.

853
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:35,600
 And that's where much of that residential development is, is occurring in that area.

854
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:41,840
 And that's, that's why we just, we don't anticipate that turning over, you know, as, as Aaron

855
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:47,880
 pointed for, for potential couple of generations, just because of the housing that's there.

856
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:52,400
 And these existing types of uses that we see in that business park would be things that,

857
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,040
 that could be also permitted under that light industrial.

858
01:06:55,040 --> 01:07:02,880
 Some of those office type uses, they're from visiting some of this area and, and understanding

859
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,360
 what types of businesses they have.

860
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:11,160
 It is uses that they don't have as many visitors every hour as some, as a restaurant would.

861
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,480
 It is those offices that really it's, you go for a specific purpose.

862
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,800
 So you wouldn't see so much traffic with those type uses if that were to continue the pattern

863
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:26,240
 that we see today, Aaron, why don't you go back to the list?

864
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,240
 Yes.

865
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:32,200
 So business center, light industrial, which is the current recommendation.

866
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:40,080
 We have industrial commerce that is a higher, a higher industrial, which we would not likely

867
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,080
 see.

868
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:45,560
 We have that out like near the airport, for example, government or institutional wouldn't

869
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,560
 be appropriate.

870
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,980
 We already do see some parks and open space in this area.

871
01:07:50,980 --> 01:07:57,320
 It is, you see it is over by towards the creek, but that wouldn't be something that we recommend

872
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:58,320
 for the corridor.

873
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:11,680
 That would be more true parks property.

874
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:19,760
 I can throw one thing out there, so seeing how you're struggling in your deliberation

875
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:28,440
 that that don't worry, we we've had several months of deliberating and evaluating of what's

876
01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:30,760
 most appropriate and we've gone round and round.

877
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:36,560
 So you know, if you feel like you need a little more time to ruminate on this, I think one

878
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:42,040
 of the things that we could do is if you're not ready to render a decision this evening

879
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:47,520
 and give us direction, what we could do is continue this discussion and our next meeting

880
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,680
 gives you a few more weeks to think about it.

881
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:55,040
 Also, I think what we could do is in the meantime, we could send to you those few pages that

882
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,440
 Aaron just went through with the various land use categories that have those summaries.

883
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:03,000
 So you can take a look at those and in my apologies, I should have thought about having

884
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,400
 us include that as an attachment as well to since we haven't this is really our first

885
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,160
 in depth discussion about land use planning at a high level with this group.

886
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:16,680
 So my apologies for not thinking of sending those categories to you in advance, but we

887
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:22,320
 can get that information to you, let you look through them and give some additional thought

888
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:28,120
 to this if you're wanting that additional time.

889
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:33,680
 Is that something that interests Commissioner Riggs?

890
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,880
 Just looking at the land uses and hearing what staff has said, I don't think that I

891
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:42,040
 would go with a different land use, just that's where I'm at today.

892
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:48,000
 So for me, I don't think that a few more weeks of deliberation is going to change my opinion

893
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,000
 on it.

894
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,000
 Okay.

895
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,320
 So to clarify, there's the existing flume and then there's the proposed light industrial

896
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:03,320
 and community mixed use flume, so different than the proposal or different than the existing

897
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:04,320
 condition?

898
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,320
 The proposed future land use I think is appropriate.

899
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,000
 I would go with the staff's recommendation.

900
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,040
 Okay.

901
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:18,000
 And Aaron, I think I saw the map on the last page of the report you were looking at.

902
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:24,520
 I think if you just zoomed in on the legend for that, that kind of summarizes the different

903
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,960
 land uses that we could essentially choose from.

904
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:34,160
 And when I look at that, I don't see one that seems to be a better fit.

905
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,160
 Okay.

906
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,220
 Any other thoughts?

907
01:10:38,220 --> 01:10:39,560
 Commissioner Boudron?

908
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:44,880
 I'm given that this is this particular area, I agree with Commissioner Riggs, not necessarily

909
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,720
 seeing another fit for this space.

910
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:54,400
 I don't think that I would need some additional time for consideration either.

911
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:55,680
 Commissioner Dyer?

912
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:56,680
 I would agree.

913
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,960
 I mean, personally, I kind of wonder if the business center, but I also go on staff's

914
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:07,640
 recommendation that it's just too skinny of a property to really appropriately do that.

915
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,840
 So I would go with staff recommendation.

916
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,600
 I don't really see anything other.

917
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:21,100
 I mean, hopefully it's going to be something when if it were to come to us when developers

918
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:27,480
 are looking at what they want to put in that and talking to the city, that they won't put

919
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:37,720
 something so oddball out there for those homeowners that have been used to a quiet road up until

920
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,640
 probably the last 10 years.

921
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:51,280
 And keep in mind, so if we are to change the future land use map, then there's still a

922
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:56,680
 whole zoning process that will be gone through with these individual property owners.

923
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,360
 Their option is to develop under their existing zoning, right?

924
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:03,720
 But what we're hearing is that's a little bit of a problem, but that's an option, right?

925
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,880
 But in all likelihood, then when they bring in those individual zoning requests, we will

926
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:12,300
 evaluate them for consistency with not only the future land use map, but all the other

927
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:20,200
 recommendations that we have within the Denton 2040 plan and work through those finer granular

928
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,160
 issues at that time.

929
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:26,680
 Much like we did when we did the property to the west with the -- or I'm sorry, I'm

930
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,400
 thinking of another property that Julie had that was in a similar challenging situation.

931
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,360
 They came in with a lot of industrial requests, and I think we ended up doing a planned development

932
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,260
 district because of the considerations that were in that area.

933
01:12:36,260 --> 01:12:40,760
 So when we do the zoning, that'll allow us to even -- you know, to better address some

934
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:46,200
 of those oddball situations that someone might come forth with.

935
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,280
 Okay.

936
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:54,840
 Yeah, I -- this is hard for me.

937
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,640
 I think you can tell that because I wear it on my face.

938
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:09,480
 I'm -- I agree that there's -- if what we're interested in is increased development in

939
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:14,920
 this area, there's no better future land use map designation that we have.

940
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:21,200
 We don't have a light industrial, but really low traffic as far as, you know, conflict

941
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:25,760
 turning, et cetera.

942
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,040
 So yeah, I totally agree.

943
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:34,480
 My concern is just I don't know that this corridor in the middle of two basically converting

944
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:40,480
 things into freeway projects is a corridor where we should want to induce additional

945
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:44,600
 development, right?

946
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:53,920
 And while the existing future land use map options don't offer the likelihood that they

947
01:13:53,920 --> 01:14:06,080
 would develop that way from an economic perspective, they do provide sort of a message of, well,

948
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:13,040
 you know, we're on pause, if you will, just economically as opposed to rationally from

949
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,360
 a what does the map look like perspective.

950
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:25,900
 So I'm not at this time in favor of changing it.

951
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:37,280
 You know, we'll go forward, and, you know, we've got three people, so that sounds good.

952
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:42,560
 My message is just in this corridor, we're going to have to be really careful about the

953
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:50,160
 types of zonings and land uses that go in here, right, from a safety perspective, because

954
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:55,480
 our light industrial zoning district, not the future land use district, allows a lot

955
01:14:55,480 --> 01:15:01,360
 of things, and I think that's great in most areas of our town to have that flexibility.

956
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:10,200
 But here there's a big difference between, you know, 300 cars a day pulling out and 3,000,

957
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,220
 if that makes sense.

958
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:17,560
 >> I guess I just want to make sure I understand kind of where your thoughts are.

959
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:22,600
 I understand the concern of the amount of traffic, and particularly Raise Ranch, I hate

960
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:27,080
 trying to get onto the highway every time we go down over there, but so is your thought

961
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:32,840
 to essentially leave it as low residential, knowing that nobody will then ever, pretty

962
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,080
 much no one will ever develop it?

963
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,440
 >> Yeah, I mean, I think, I think so.

964
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:40,360
 That's my preference.

965
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:46,560
 Again, not because it explicitly describes what we want out there.

966
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:51,240
 It's more of a placeholder, if you will.

967
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:56,920
 I'd rather us focus a little bit more.

968
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:04,120
 I'm a little bit more nervous about the community mixed use on that southwestern corridor, you

969
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:09,920
 know, based on the types of zoning districts that could go in there, if we get an SC, and

970
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:20,440
 then, you know, there's city land south of there, and it gets annexed, et cetera, then

971
01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:29,720
 that future land use is probably lends itself more toward a high traffic issue.

972
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:39,200
 But I understand that we don't want to inadvertently create nonconformities and that sort of thing,

973
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,920
 right?

974
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,880
 So, yeah.

975
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:52,600
 I'm not sure, I guess we're still missing three people now.

976
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:58,440
 So do you need more direction than that, or what's your staff's needs on this?

977
01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:05,560
 No, I mean, our next actions would be to do the neighborhood engagement further.

978
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,640
 Like I said, we, or as Erin mentioned, we've been working with some of the property owners

979
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:15,600
 in that area, but we believe a broader engagement effort would be appropriate, and so we will

980
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:22,040
 do that, and then we will share the initial direction that we've received from the commission.

981
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:26,640
 We can come back and share with you the results of that neighborhood engagement that we did,

982
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,720
 and then that way, if you're interested in any further refinements based upon that public

983
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:36,560
 engagement, then you can give us that direction before we formally initiate a public hearing

984
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,960
 to amend the future land use map.

985
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:43,600
 But this is very helpful, and I appreciate the very thoughtfulness and the consideration,

986
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:50,800
 because it's a hard area to evaluate and figure out what is most appropriate when you're looking

987
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,640
 that far in the future.

988
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,920
 But let us do that neighborhood engagement, and then we'll bring you the results of that,

989
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,200
 and then if you have any additional thoughts, refinements to the direction you've given

990
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,040
 us so far, we can address it at that time.

991
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:03,040
 Sounds good.

992
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:10,520
 Do the neighbors, you know, when you do the radius zones and all that, are you also asking

993
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:15,000
 them what they would like to see, what zoning change, if any, they would like to see in

994
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:21,520
 this area, or you're just looking for feedback, like we're thinking of this community mixed

995
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,000
 use in the site industrial.

996
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,480
 How do y'all feel about that?

997
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:28,440
 Wait, it would be somewhere...

998
01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:29,720
 It would be somewhere in between.

999
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,960
 So right, I mean, we would have this higher level conversation with them and talk about

1000
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,880
 these land use categories, but I think it would be appropriate for us to also talk about,

1001
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,640
 you know, what are the types of zoning districts that could potentially align with these land

1002
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:45,200
 use recommendations so that they understand how it fits together.

1003
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:50,440
 So you know, what specific properties would get rezoned to what district?

1004
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:53,800
 We would not be able to answer those kind of questions, but I think we could still have

1005
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,880
 a conversation about, you know, these are the, much like what we did this evening, these

1006
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:03,400
 are the zoning districts that typically align with these future land use plan recommendations.

1007
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:08,800
 Here are some of the types of land uses that are typically allowed in those zoning districts

1008
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,120
 so that they could have that understanding.

1009
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,200
 Commissioner Riggs.

1010
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,560
 I appreciate that, Tina.

1011
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,680
 I like that idea a lot.

1012
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:23,560
 One of the other things I would suggest is, and it may be looking too much into the crystal

1013
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:28,220
 ball because we don't know exactly how it's going to zone, but if, to Commissioner Pruitt's

1014
01:19:28,220 --> 01:19:35,000
 point, get some kind of idea of traffic impacts, again, I know that may be too much crystal

1015
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,320
 ball, but if we get a high level, maybe.

1016
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:43,280
 So like traffic impacts associated with the land use categories or I just want to make

1017
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:44,280
 sure I understand your request.

1018
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:45,280
 Yeah.

1019
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:46,280
 Within the land use categories.

1020
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:51,480
 I mean, obviously the zoning and use is very, very quite a bit, but that might be helpful.

1021
01:19:51,480 --> 01:19:52,480
 Yeah.

1022
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:53,480
 Thank you.

1023
01:19:53,480 --> 01:20:00,800
 I think my thought would be within the uses for those future land use categories, identify

1024
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:07,840
 the ones that could develop with the limited depth from the roadway and kind of focus on

1025
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:14,160
 those, right?

1026
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:15,160
 Commissioner Pedrone.

1027
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:20,480
 I agree with Commissioner Riggs and with the traffic impact study to see what we would be

1028
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:27,360
 looking at moving forward.

1029
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:34,200
 Does that impact study also include like things, how many like stoplights and stuff you would

1030
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,200
 put in that?

1031
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,360
 We would not go to that level of analysis at this point in time.

1032
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:44,320
 Keep in mind, it would be a much more high level assessment associated with it.

1033
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:45,320
 Okay.

1034
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:53,200
 Does staff need anything else or no?

1035
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,680
 Okay.

1036
01:20:54,680 --> 01:21:07,920
 Then at 623, I will take a recess until 630 for the regular meeting in council chambers.

1037
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:13,800
 Thank you.

1038
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,800
 Good evening.

1039
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,200
 It is 641 PM on April 23rd.

1040
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:23,720
 We will reconvene in our regular meeting of the Denton Planning and Zoning Commission.

1041
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:29,480
 Our first order of business is to stand and say the Pledge of Allegiance to the US and

1042
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:34,480
 Texas Flag.

1043
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:40,520
 Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

1044
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:49,440
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible.

1045
01:21:49,440 --> 01:22:04,080
 Texas Flag, Pledge of Allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible.

1046
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:12,600
 Our next item is PZ 25007, approval of the April 9th Planning and Zoning Commission minutes.

1047
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:13,600
 Commissioner Padron?

1048
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:14,600
 Move approval.

1049
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:15,600
 Commissioner Dyer?

1050
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,760
 I second.

1051
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:25,900
 And with that, let's vote on the board.

1052
01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:30,800
 That item passes 4-0.

1053
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:40,400
 That brings us to our consent agenda, I'll ask for a motion to approve with the amended

1054
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:45,160
 plat that we received over email if you could include that in your motion please.

1055
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:46,160
 Commissioner Riggs?

1056
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:53,080
 I make a motion to approve the consent agenda and with the replat change that was emailed

1057
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,440
 to us.

1058
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:56,440
 Commissioner Padron?

1059
01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:57,440
 I second.

1060
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:07,600
 Seeing no questions, call for a vote on the board.

1061
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:19,560
 That item passes 4-0, brings us to our items for individual consideration for a FP 250014.

1062
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:28,320
 Good evening, commission, Bryce VanArsdale, assistant planner.

1063
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:36,600
 This is FP 250014, this is a 19-acre lot just located about 320 feet to the east of

1064
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,680
 Country Club Road and on the north side of Hobson Lane.

1065
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,240
 While we did have some comments to work through late last week, all the comments have been

1066
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:47,400
 addressed and staff no longer has any problems with recommending approval of this plat and

1067
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:51,240
 I'll stand for any questions.

1068
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,640
 Any questions?

1069
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:59,760
 Or a motion?

1070
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,360
 Commissioner Riggs?

1071
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,280
 I make a motion to approve this plat.

1072
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:06,680
 Commissioner Padron?

1073
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:07,680
 Second.

1074
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:14,800
 Seeing no questions, I'll call for a vote on the board.

1075
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:25,160
 That item passes 4-0, brings us to 4B, PP 25002.

1076
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,600
 Good evening, commission.

1077
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:38,240
 This request is for a preliminary plat of approximately 269 acres located in Denton's

1078
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:44,720
 ETJ, north of FM 2449 and south of TN Scales Road.

1079
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:50,160
 At this time, staff recommends a denial, as it does not meet our criteria for approval.

1080
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:56,280
 However, we have no objection to their first extension request to a date certain of May

1081
01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:01,280
 14, 2025.

1082
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,280
 Thank you, Matt.

1083
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,560
 Commissioner Padron?

1084
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:13,200
 Move approval to grant the extension to a date certain of May 14, 2025.

1085
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,480
 And Commissioner Riggs?

1086
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:16,960
 Second.

1087
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:24,360
 Let's vote on the board.

1088
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:34,440
 That item passes 4-0, brings us to item 4C, FR 250010.

1089
01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:36,960
 Good evening, Julie Wyatt, principal planner.

1090
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,200
 This is FR 25-0010.

1091
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:43,920
 It is a replat for an existing high school campus.

1092
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:48,960
 The purpose of the replat is to add some additional property for campus improvements as well as

1093
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,840
 a transportation facility.

1094
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:56,280
 The property is located on the north side of McKinney, just east of May Hill.

1095
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,120
 Right now, they do have some items that they need to work through in order for staff to

1096
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,560
 recommend approval.

1097
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:05,280
 However, we have no objection to their requested extension to the May 14 meeting.

1098
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,440
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

1099
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:10,440
 Commissioner Dyer?

1100
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:17,200
 I make a motion that we go ahead and move to grant the extension to May 14.

1101
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:18,200
 Commissioner Padron?

1102
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,320
 I second.

1103
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:27,120
 Seeing no questions, call for a vote on the board.

1104
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:37,760
 That extension motion passes 4-0, brings us to item 4D, V25-0023.

1105
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:44,800
 Good evening, Erin Stanley, assistant planner.

1106
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,920
 This is the Harris Ranch Industrial Subdivision variance.

1107
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:58,120
 So this is a request for two lots to take access off of an access easement rather than

1108
01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:59,240
 a public street.

1109
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:04,800
 The subject property is located west of I-35 and approximately 1,700 feet south of North

1110
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,080
 Loop 288.

1111
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,480
 The property is zoned light industrial and the applicant is proposing to create four

1112
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:16,800
 lots on approximately 91 acres to facilitate the development of light industrial development

1113
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,000
 on approximately 84 acres.

1114
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,560
 So the two lots that would be requesting this subdivision variance are highlighted

1115
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,920
 in yellow on this screen.

1116
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:31,280
 They currently take access off of an access easement and would be this proposal would

1117
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:36,920
 allow them to formally be plotted taking access off of this access easement.

1118
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:43,400
 So in staff's consideration within the DDC of the approval criteria, the first one is

1119
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:52,480
 not that it would not be detrimental to public safety, health, or welfare to other property.

1120
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:57,200
 And as these properties already take access off of an easement, this would not change

1121
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,840
 the existing alignment.

1122
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:06,600
 And these pad sites also are current gas well pad site and electrical communications pad

1123
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:07,680
 site.

1124
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,000
 And these seldomly require human assistance or monitoring.

1125
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:15,000
 So there wouldn't be a lot of traffic in or out.

1126
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:20,200
 The second consideration is that based on particular physical surroundings that this

1127
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,160
 variance would be considered.

1128
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:31,360
 This in this situation, the pad sites that are requesting this variance ownership is

1129
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:36,720
 intended to remain with the current owner for these sites while the remaining 84 acres

1130
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,560
 would be sold to the developer for light industrial.

1131
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:44,420
 While it is possible to plot the pad sites with that industrial tract, they would have

1132
01:28:44,420 --> 01:28:46,080
 to maintain the same ownership.

1133
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,880
 So to have that separate ownership, they do need to be plotted separately, hence why the

1134
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:53,840
 subdivision variance would be necessary.

1135
01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:00,320
 The third criteria is that it would not be in conflict with anything else in the development

1136
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:03,280
 code, comprehensive plan or mobility plan.

1137
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:09,000
 Aside from this specific variance, the development would be required to meet all other criteria,

1138
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:13,940
 plot dimensions and setbacks, everything would be required.

1139
01:29:13,940 --> 01:29:16,280
 So there is no conflict there.

1140
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:21,320
 And then the fourth criteria that there are particular considerations or conditions for

1141
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:28,000
 this site, these pad sites have been in their existing uses since prior to the adoption

1142
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,720
 of the current development code.

1143
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:35,320
 The gas well pad site has existed since at least 2004 and communications pad sites since

1144
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:36,920
 at least 2001.

1145
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:41,840
 So with that, staff is recommending approval of the request as it complies with all approval

1146
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:45,480
 criteria and I'll stand for any questions.

1147
01:29:45,480 --> 01:29:48,320
 Any questions for staff?

1148
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,720
 We do have one card on this item wishing to speak, but if you have questions for staff

1149
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,720
 at this time.

1150
01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:01,920
 I have a question and I don't know why I didn't think about this when we were in the workshop.

1151
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:07,360
 So when you're looking at this and the property owner wanting to keep the two, the gas well

1152
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:14,040
 and the communications pad are, it's part of this agreement that they will either put

1153
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:21,200
 some sort of like fencing material or landscaping material to kind of keep that separated out

1154
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:26,640
 from the other, the warehousing lots there.

1155
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:30,360
 So I know there are fences around the communications pad site.

1156
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:34,400
 I'm not sure about the gas well one, but the applicant is here and can speak to that.

1157
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,400
 - Well, is that a requirement that the city has that they do that with this?

1158
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:41,640
 - The fence would not be required, no.

1159
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:47,120
 - Okay, any other questions of staff?

1160
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:52,200
 Okay, I have a card from Amy Bissett for the applicant.

1161
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:56,680
 If you want to come up, you'll have 10 minutes.

1162
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:01,880
 - Good evening, commissioners, Amy Bissett, 109 North Elm, 76201.

1163
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:06,240
 I brought a couple of slides in case we get into any specific questions.

1164
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:11,920
 Just to clarify on your question, Commissioner Dyer, there are existing fences in both locations

1165
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:18,680
 today and security will be one of the site features that's planned for as we move through

1166
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,120
 the development process.

1167
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:25,480
 There will certainly be, the way access works, we'll have to provide access off of those

1168
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:33,480
 easements into their properties, but we'll be considering security on both sides of that,

1169
01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:37,040
 of the development.

1170
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,240
 Happy to answer any other questions you may have.

1171
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,600
 - Any questions of the applicant?

1172
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:43,600
 Not seeing anything.

1173
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:48,320
 - Right, thank you.

1174
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:53,920
 - Discussion or a motion or other questions?

1175
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,920
 Commissioner Riggs?

1176
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,920
 - I'd make a motion to approve the variance.

1177
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:00,920
 - Commissioner Dyer?

1178
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,040
 - I will second that motion.

1179
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:04,400
 - Okay.

1180
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:13,760
 Not seeing any other questions, I'll call for a vote on the board.

1181
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:14,760
 Item passes 4-0.

1182
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:37,800
 It brings us to our public hearings tonight, first one is 5AZ25-0005.

1183
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:42,280
 - Good evening, Commission, Matt Boudin, Assistant Planner, here to present the zoning case for

1184
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:46,280
 the new Denton Fire Station 6.

1185
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:52,400
 So this request is to rezone approximately three acres of land located at the corner

1186
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:57,680
 of Teasley and Hunters Creek from the existing planned development zoning district to our

1187
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:05,800
 public facilities district for the purpose of developing a new fire station at this site.

1188
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:12,320
 So this piece of property has gone through several changes related to City Council and

1189
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:17,760
 Commission's decisions, some of the recent ones being the City Council approving a rezoning

1190
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:24,800
 to the current PD back in April of 2023, however, before any commercial development occurred

1191
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:31,840
 on the site, City Council approved the purchase of this property for the development specifically

1192
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:36,640
 of a new fire station facility.

1193
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:42,640
 While the PD does allow for that fire station land use as staff has worked through those

1194
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:48,200
 development plans, it's become apparent that the unique development requirements and needs

1195
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:55,920
 of a fire station have been difficult to provide for within the constraints of the PD.

1196
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:02,600
 In addition, we believe rezoning to the public facilities district would align that future

1197
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:08,720
 use of a fire station better with the zoning, or sorry, reline the zoning better with the

1198
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:14,400
 use as that public facilities district is meant for those public uses.

1199
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:21,520
 Additionally, the rezoning would allow staff to apply flexibility in the design to account

1200
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:28,400
 for those unique needs of a fire station that any development under a base zoning district

1201
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:32,360
 is able to apply, but not able to under the current PD.

1202
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:39,320
 We did review this request against our criteria for approval, both the general and the zoning

1203
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,320
 change criteria.

1204
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:48,120
 I did find that this rezoning does advance the goals of the comprehensive plan specifically

1205
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:54,920
 to provide emergency services, and it does align with the future land use map designations.

1206
01:34:54,920 --> 01:35:01,120
 In this area, you'll see the community mixed use and low residential designations, which

1207
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:05,800
 are meant to promote a mix of uses as well as allowing those uses that support residential

1208
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:10,920
 neighborhoods that a fire station will do.

1209
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:17,640
 This request was notified according to our city requirements, so mailings and newspaper

1210
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,360
 notices were sent.

1211
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:25,480
 We did receive two written responses in favor of the request within that 200 foot buffer,

1212
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:32,120
 and then a written response that was neutral, neither in favor or in opposition, and then

1213
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:39,960
 staff did not receive any responses in opposition to this rezoning request.

1214
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:46,400
 Staff is recommending approval of this rezoning request as it complies with the criteria.

1215
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:54,000
 We're also here to answer any questions.

1216
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,840
 Any questions on this one?

1217
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,200
 Yeah, Commissioner Riggs?

1218
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,880
 I have a question.

1219
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:10,360
 What design constraints or site constraints does go into this new zoning allow for?

1220
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:15,520
 Specifically regarding flexibility around landscaping, so as the fire station, as the

1221
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:25,640
 trucks enter and exit, they do need high visibility onto the road, and so the PD asked for additional

1222
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:32,600
 landscaping along Hunters Creek that had to be along Hunters Creek, such as trees, and

1223
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:38,760
 so in order to meet, as that's one example, that need of high visibility for the trucks

1224
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:50,280
 out of safety, it was deemed necessary to rezone and so to the PF district where those

1225
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:57,000
 trees could then be moved elsewhere on site through the alternative landscape plan process

1226
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:02,120
 in the development code.

1227
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:06,680
 In either way, the fire station's going to go there because it was already a permitted

1228
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:07,680
 use?

1229
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:08,680
 Correct.

1230
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:09,680
 Yeah.

1231
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:10,680
 Thank you.

1232
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:11,980
 Any other questions?

1233
01:37:11,980 --> 01:37:24,720
 Yeah, that was going to be my same question, so thank you for addressing that.

1234
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:29,440
 Discussion or a motion, sorry.

1235
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:36,480
 This is a public hearing, so if you have not filled out a card, I'll open the public hearing

1236
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:37,480
 now.

1237
01:37:37,480 --> 01:37:40,360
 If you have not filled out a card, you're still welcome to come speak, and you can fill

1238
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:41,840
 out a card afterward.

1239
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:46,360
 Would anybody like to come speak?

1240
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,360
 Come on up, please.

1241
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:55,200
 Good afternoon, this is my first one, so I apologize if I didn't say the right things.

1242
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:58,840
 If you can pull your microphone down just so that we have it on record, and state your

1243
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,160
 name and address, and then you'll have three minutes.

1244
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:08,560
 Julia Hernandez, I live in 2505 Briar Forest Drive, just right off Teasley.

1245
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:15,400
 So after hearing the proposal, for me I do have some concerns, along with my neighbors

1246
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:21,840
 as well, but really it's about the noise that's going to be going on, potentially 24/7, day

1247
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,480
 or night, so I know a lot of my friends have a lot of kids in that area, so that could

1248
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:29,280
 be a potential concern for them.

1249
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:35,460
 For me and myself, I would say that I work from home a lot, so these meetings, the potential

1250
01:38:35,460 --> 01:38:41,680
 noise could cause some issues and eruptions that are unnecessary, and then also along

1251
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:47,680
 with just the noise, the traffic that might come along with this spill, my concern as

1252
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:54,880
 well for that, and then overall there is a view that property values decrease because

1253
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,680
 of this, and that's a concern when I sell my home.

1254
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:04,160
 So right now, even after hearing the proposal, I do not approve of it, or disapprove of it,

1255
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:10,320
 whichever is said, but that's it, that's it for me, my concerns.

1256
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:11,320
 Thank you.

1257
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:13,280
 Any questions from the commission?

1258
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:14,280
 No?

1259
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:15,280
 Okay.

1260
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:16,280
 Anybody else?

1261
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:29,960
 Can you come speak?

1262
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:30,960
 Commissioner Patron?

1263
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:35,480
 I don't know if this is a question for staff or not, but is there a correlation between

1264
01:39:35,480 --> 01:39:41,360
 property value and fire stations or public facilities?

1265
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:48,160
 Is there somebody from staff that can speak to that?

1266
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:56,920
 So I've never received a market analysis regarding a fire station located in proximity to properties.

1267
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:03,520
 I think typically what we find though is that the convenience of having fire stations nearby

1268
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:07,320
 can be an attractive factor for some property owners.

1269
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:11,960
 I can understand the concerns expressed by the resident regarding the operational aspects,

1270
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:16,000
 particularly with the fire apparatus coming and going.

1271
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,280
 Our fire chief is present this evening.

1272
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:23,420
 He could address some of their operational considerations that they employ versus daytime

1273
01:40:23,420 --> 01:40:29,000
 operations versus nighttime, and that might be able to address some of the resident concerns.

1274
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,520
 Can I address the property values?

1275
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,680
 Oh, sure, absolutely.

1276
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:38,640
 As the resident real estate agent, it's kind of a toss up.

1277
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:46,080
 If it will devalue a property, it could go to the sellability where there will be some

1278
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:52,320
 people that just don't want to live like behind, especially the houses that bump up against

1279
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:53,620
 this property.

1280
01:40:53,620 --> 01:41:00,680
 There will be some buyers who will probably not want to look at a house because they just

1281
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,440
 don't want to live behind a fire station.

1282
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:09,440
 I would think, and I'm not an insurance agent, but I would think that having the fire station

1283
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:19,500
 so close that it would help with insurance premiums because of the response time.

1284
01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:26,000
 Chief Hedges, can you speak to the operational nature of these types of fire stations?

1285
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:27,000
 Sure thing.

1286
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:28,000
 Kenneth Hedges, fire chief.

1287
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,160
 There's a couple of different questions here as well, so let me kind of start off on really

1288
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,960
 the reason why we moved from current existing site to the current site as well and took

1289
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:40,280
 this presentation to council back in 2023 after the bond committee committed and finished

1290
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,080
 with the projects as well.

1291
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,380
 We look at everything in response time and really try to focus on a four-minute response

1292
01:41:45,380 --> 01:41:48,680
 time is the NFPA standard, really best practice out there.

1293
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:50,760
 How quick can we get there in four minutes as well?

1294
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:55,300
 By moving just seven-tenths of a mile to the south, this new location, we actually have

1295
01:41:55,300 --> 01:42:01,000
 data to show we increased by almost 6,000 residents that moved from outside a four-minute

1296
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:05,480
 response time to within a four-minute response time, so huge, dramatic operational improvement

1297
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:07,200
 moving this location.

1298
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:13,280
 At-risk populations, 65, age 65 and above, we increased that by 410 residents.

1299
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:17,480
 Household disabilities, we increased that by 306, so all this is adding to the four-minute

1300
01:42:17,480 --> 01:42:19,200
 response window for us.

1301
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:23,080
 Commercial, number of businesses, we increased by 58 businesses within a four-minute response

1302
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:28,000
 time, told employees of those businesses almost 1,700 and I think the big thing also is the

1303
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,760
 fact that now we get the four-minute response time to Geyer.

1304
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,960
 So beforehand, we were outside of that and once again, this is a national standard we

1305
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:34,960
 try to hit.

1306
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:38,720
 I do understand the concerns, I mean, we are not usually the best neighbors, but we do

1307
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:40,360
 try to accommodate it.

1308
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:45,420
 Any time at nighttime, we do try to respond with just lights only, so if there's no traffic,

1309
01:42:45,420 --> 01:42:47,840
 we don't have to capture the intersections.

1310
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,520
 Our officers do have discretion to turn the sirens off.

1311
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:55,440
 One thing about this facility also, there will be a police department substation, just

1312
01:42:55,440 --> 01:43:00,280
 a two-office there in the front as well, so they will be on-site occasionally, so it's

1313
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:04,520
 more of a public safety building, primarily fire as well, so I think that's really all

1314
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:05,520
 I have for operational.

1315
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:06,960
 Is there kind of any other further questions?

1316
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:08,900
 I hope I answered most of them.

1317
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:10,500
 What is your average response time?

1318
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:16,640
 So like, are you usually getting a call like once every three hours, once every half hour,

1319
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:21,720
 like for the resident here who's concerned about interruption in her workday, is she

1320
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,760
 going to experience that once or twice a day or multiple times?

1321
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:32,680
 Well, unfortunately, we're a very busy system, but with the addition of Station 8 on Colorado,

1322
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:37,260
 that actually has brought Station 6 call volume down significantly as well, so it is not one

1323
01:43:37,260 --> 01:43:41,080
 of our probably top three busiest stations, and that's very hard to predict.

1324
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,240
 I don't have the data from me on how many times they go out.

1325
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:47,280
 It could be anywhere from 10 times in a 24-hour shift, they could only go once as well, so

1326
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,280
 it just varies.

1327
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:53,960
 Any other questions?

1328
01:43:53,960 --> 01:44:01,360
 I'll say I appreciate the flexibility you give to your crews, because I live on a street

1329
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:07,040
 where frequently at night I see flashing lights, and they're very considerate, so thank you.

1330
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,960
 Yeah, and just one thing I'd like to add, and primarily the reason is the fact that we

1331
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,260
 can't have trees on the front ramp, so when our crews do leave, we have to try to capture

1332
01:44:13,260 --> 01:44:16,760
 that line of sight and the traffic as well, and we want people to see us, and we want

1333
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:21,440
 to see them, so I think that's kind of the primary reason on this rezoning request.

1334
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,960
 Thank you.

1335
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,600
 Anybody else wishing to speak?

1336
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:29,960
 Public hearing.

1337
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:33,080
 Not seeing anyone, I will close the public hearing.

1338
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:39,360
 Any questions or a motion from the commission?

1339
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:40,360
 Commissioner Pedrone.

1340
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:41,360
 Sorry.

1341
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:42,360
 Commissioner Riggs.

1342
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:46,240
 So I had a comment.

1343
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,400
 So I'm actually one of your neighbors over there too.

1344
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:53,880
 I live in that area, and I actually live a little bit closer to the current fire station,

1345
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:59,200
 and I haven't seen any nuisance or been disturbed by it at all.

1346
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:03,760
 One of the other things I do want to point out is that this is basically just a zoning

1347
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:08,120
 change request, so even if we were to deny this, the station would still go there.

1348
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:14,800
 It would just be with the trees blocking, and maybe making it more unsafe, so that's

1349
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:15,800
 all.

1350
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:16,800
 Thank you.

1351
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:17,800
 Commissioner Pedrone.

1352
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:18,800
 Move approval.

1353
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:19,800
 Commissioner Riggs.

1354
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:20,800
 That was a second.

1355
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:21,800
 That was a second.

1356
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:22,800
 There you go.

1357
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:23,800
 Thank you.

1358
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:34,800
 Seeing no additional questions, I'll call for a vote on the board of trustees.

1359
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:43,560
 Seeing no additional questions, I'll call for a vote on the board.

1360
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:47,560
 That item passes 4-0.

1361
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:51,960
 Brings us to our last public hearing, item 5B, DCA 24-0011.

1362
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:56,040
 Good evening, commission.

1363
01:45:56,040 --> 01:46:01,080
 Bryce Van Arsdale, assistant planner.

1364
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:06,520
 This is DCA 24-0011 regarding the addition of commercial normal services to the land

1365
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:10,120
 use definitions provided in the development code.

1366
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:16,480
 Currently, most domestic animal services such as groomers, training, dog, daycares, those

1367
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:19,640
 sort of things will fall either under the kennel definition or the personal service

1368
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:21,120
 general definition.

1369
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:25,360
 However, as the market has continued to develop, we often see multiple of these uses under

1370
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:26,360
 a single building.

1371
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:30,480
 So we'll see, for instance, a doggie daycare that also offers overnight boarding as well

1372
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,380
 as training and grooming services.

1373
01:46:33,380 --> 01:46:36,240
 With our existing definitions, I'll point out two things.

1374
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:40,520
 First is that the kennel definition provides for training as well as overnight, specifically

1375
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:45,280
 overnight, boarding, and the personal service general provides for the grooming services

1376
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:46,280
 of animals.

1377
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:51,640
 However, a couple takeaways from this, first is that there's no mention of doggie daycares

1378
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,840
 or pet daycares, rather.

1379
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:58,240
 Additionally, whenever multiple of these uses are under the same building, it leaves staff

1380
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:03,120
 in a bit of a gray area when interpreting zoning regulations.

1381
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:07,080
 Our proposed amendments are to introduce two different definitions, and they're very similar.

1382
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:10,140
 There's a differentiation that will be made in the use specific standards between the

1383
01:47:10,140 --> 01:47:12,720
 indoor and the outdoor definition.

1384
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:17,320
 But generally, these definitions allow for the training, grooming, boarding, adoption,

1385
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:20,400
 or daycare services of domestic animals.

1386
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,920
 I will note that these definitions do exclude the sale of animals as well as any veterinary

1387
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:28,800
 care as those apply to their own definitions.

1388
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,880
 When looking at the table of allowed uses, you'll notice that the commercial animal

1389
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:38,260
 services both follow very closely with the veterinary clinic, allowed zoning districts.

1390
01:47:38,260 --> 01:47:42,280
 The one major difference being that commercial animal service outdoor is not permitted in

1391
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:47,760
 the MN or MD zoning districts.

1392
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,480
 The use specific standards are a little bit wordy, but there's a couple takeaways from

1393
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:51,840
 this slide as well.

1394
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:58,000
 The first is that when the property is adjacent to within or within 1,000 feet of a residential

1395
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:04,400
 zoning district, we establish time and distance restrictions on outdoor elements.

1396
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:08,800
 Secondly, with the commercial animal service indoor, this is where the differentiation

1397
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:14,240
 is made between the indoor and outdoor use, and establishing that no more than 50% of

1398
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:18,760
 the proposed business may be allocated for outdoor use.

1399
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:24,320
 Finally, we did, I believe it was Chair Pruitt back in September, requested that we include

1400
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:29,120
 a provision that states no provision is intended to prevent the allocation of outdoor areas

1401
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:30,120
 for animal relief.

1402
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:35,280
 So that is also an element of this proposal.

1403
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:39,760
 With our proposed definition amendments, you'll note that commercial stable and the amendment

1404
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,800
 to personal service general are fairly minor in nature.

1405
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:46,180
 However, we do propose the removal of the kennel definition.

1406
01:48:46,180 --> 01:48:50,120
 Many businesses that fall into the kennel definition today will now fall under either

1407
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:56,540
 the commercial animal service indoor or outdoor, based on the allocation of their outdoor element.

1408
01:48:56,540 --> 01:49:00,200
 And following with that, we removed the use specific standards for kennel.

1409
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:04,280
 And secondly, we introduced two use specific standards to the veterinary clinic.

1410
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:08,360
 These are both related to on-site livestock veterinary care.

1411
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:11,040
 We realized that it's not very common to see this.

1412
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,440
 Typically, the vet will be going out to the site where the animal resides, but we did

1413
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:20,360
 want to provide these protections where it was relevant to these zoning districts.

1414
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:24,600
 The minimum parking requirements follow very closely and are the exact same as veterinary

1415
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:31,720
 clinic, which is one space per 500 square feet of gross floor area.

1416
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:35,040
 This project was noticed in accordance with state statute.

1417
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:39,160
 We sent out 20 929 notices to 10 businesses.

1418
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:42,440
 And the reason that those numbers are different are because the 929 notices go to both the

1419
01:49:42,440 --> 01:49:45,320
 property owner as well as the business owner.

1420
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:50,240
 We received zero responses to this round of noticing.

1421
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:54,600
 And if you'll notice on the left, we have the businesses, or on the right, excuse me.

1422
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,800
 You'll notice the businesses which were noticed.

1423
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:01,680
 The businesses with the asterisks are the ones that are noted in the ordinance as those

1424
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:06,360
 two will be conforming.

1425
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:10,640
 This proposal does meet the general goals and policies of both the Denton Comprehensive

1426
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:17,480
 Plan and the 2040 Comprehensive Plan as well as the Denton Development Code.

1427
01:50:17,480 --> 01:50:22,320
 Staff does recommend approval of this as it meets the criteria set forth in sections 2.74(d)

1428
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:27,880
 of the Denton Development Code, and I'm happy to stand for any questions.

1429
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:32,560
 I don't see any yet.

1430
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:39,380
 This is a public hearing, so I will open the public hearing and invite anybody to come down

1431
01:50:39,380 --> 01:50:53,800
 and share their thoughts or concerns or questions so that we can understand everybody.

1432
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:54,800
 We're happy to...

1433
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:55,800
 Hang on.

1434
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:56,800
 Hang on.

1435
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:57,800
 I'm sorry.

1436
01:50:57,800 --> 01:50:58,800
 This is my slide.

1437
01:50:58,800 --> 01:50:59,800
 Okay.

1438
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:01,840
 If you could come down and state your name and address.

1439
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:04,960
 Myself, Club K-9, 7800 East McKinney Street.

1440
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:05,960
 Okay.

1441
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:10,680
 Now, it's said veterinarian, I'm not a very...

1442
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:19,600
 So what if you bring your dog to our facility under veterinarian regulation or...

1443
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:24,220
 You got four dogs, three rambunctious, and one just got a hip surgery.

1444
01:51:24,220 --> 01:51:31,280
 You don't want that to get messed up, so you bring it to us for two weeks, low, slow, heel,

1445
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:33,320
 and go back home.

1446
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:37,040
 But the vet comes to our place, drives on our property.

1447
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:39,080
 Are we now a veterinarian?

1448
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:44,600
 Any of those above anything gonna conflict with that?

1449
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:46,840
 So I'll let staff address that.

1450
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:47,840
 Sure.

1451
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:48,840
 Great question.

1452
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:50,680
 No, that will not make you a veterinary clinic.

1453
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:55,760
 It'll be based on the land use, which is dictated by one-year zoning, but also your certificate

1454
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:56,760
 of occupancy.

1455
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:00,240
 So if you're not operating as a veterinarian clinic, then you won't fall into that veterinary

1456
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:01,240
 clinic.

1457
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:04,440
 Okay, thank you for your time.

1458
01:52:04,440 --> 01:52:05,440
 Sure.

1459
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:06,440
 Absolutely.

1460
01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:17,700
 Any questions or discussions?

1461
01:52:17,700 --> 01:52:18,700
 Commissioner Riggs?

1462
01:52:18,700 --> 01:52:24,260
 I'd make a motion to approve as staff recommended.

1463
01:52:24,260 --> 01:52:26,520
 And Commissioner Padron?

1464
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:30,560
 Second.

1465
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:35,320
 I will close the public hearing.

1466
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:42,800
 And with that, I'll call for a vote on the board.

1467
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:47,480
 That item passes 4-0, thank you.

1468
01:52:47,480 --> 01:52:53,400
 That brings us to our Planning and Zoning Commission matrix.

1469
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,640
 Are there any updates, Tina?

1470
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:58,600
 So just a few things to bring to your attention.

1471
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:02,240
 So no changes to the matrix since there were no requests from the last meeting.

1472
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:08,280
 Also, wanted to share with you just past City Council action since your meeting on the 9th

1473
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:09,280
 of April.

1474
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:12,680
 So we did have a specific use permit for equipment sales and rental.

1475
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:17,120
 If you recall, this property was west of I-35, east of the terminus of Jim Crystal Road,

1476
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:19,360
 about 1,000 feet north of West Oak.

1477
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:24,800
 So it was a property that I believe Erin presented and had quite a few easements that encumbered

1478
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:25,800
 this site.

1479
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:30,000
 And so the commission recommended approval and council ended up approving that specific

1480
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,000
 use permit.

1481
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:36,040
 So that's the only action that we've had that the commission has seen since your last meeting.

1482
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:38,080
 Excuse me just a moment.

1483
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:39,560
 Excuse me.

1484
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:43,200
 A couple other things I'd like to bring to your attention.

1485
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:45,560
 So May is National Preservation Month.

1486
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:50,160
 And so our team, in particular, our Historic Preservation Officer, Cameron Robertson, will

1487
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:51,720
 give her a shout out.

1488
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:58,640
 City as well as has some partners, particularly with the county, that do a series of events

1489
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:01,120
 referred to as their Denton Revealed program.

1490
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:04,600
 So I would encourage you to take a look at that, especially if historic preservation

1491
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:06,200
 is of interest to you.

1492
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:08,840
 They have several events that are planned during the month of May.

1493
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:12,140
 For more information about that, you can go to the city's website and just do a search

1494
01:54:12,140 --> 01:54:15,420
 for Denton Revealed and that'll bring up that schedule events they have planned.

1495
01:54:15,420 --> 01:54:18,980
 So this is their fourth annual Denton Revealed event.

1496
01:54:18,980 --> 01:54:22,460
 So they've had a tremendous amount of success with this.

1497
01:54:22,460 --> 01:54:25,120
 Also for the month of May is Building Safety Month.

1498
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:31,960
 So our team assists, our planning team assists our building safety team, which includes all

1499
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:37,000
 of our plans examiners as well as our building inspectors and our permit technicians with

1500
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:38,400
 review of applications.

1501
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:41,600
 But just wanted to acknowledge the Building Safety Month because I know that team works

1502
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:46,200
 really diligently and we were able to provide them that support to be able to review all

1503
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:51,160
 of the buildings that are constructed in town and/or modified that would require any permits

1504
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:54,840
 associated with them as well as follow-up building inspections to make sure that the

1505
01:54:54,840 --> 01:55:02,200
 occupancy is safe for the public's entrance into those facilities.

1506
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:05,720
 So just want to give them a shout out, but also bring that to your attention.

1507
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:08,800
 So I think we'll have an acknowledgement of the Building Safety Month at council's

1508
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:11,140
 meeting on May 6th.

1509
01:55:11,140 --> 01:55:14,820
 And then lastly, just want to welcome Shirley McDade to the Planning and Zoning Commission.

1510
01:55:14,820 --> 01:55:21,480
 She was appointed and Commissioner Prado Carillo was having work conflicts and unfortunately

1511
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:23,200
 resigned from the commission last week.

1512
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:29,000
 So I know the council is considering possible appointments to that position.

1513
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:33,760
 So hopefully we'll have Ms. McDade completed all of her paperwork so she can join the commission

1514
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,940
 at your next meeting on May 14th.

1515
01:55:35,940 --> 01:55:41,400
 So that concludes my remarks and happy to address anything else.

1516
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:47,340
 Any additions to the matrix?

1517
01:55:47,340 --> 01:55:48,340
 Not seeing any.

1518
01:55:48,340 --> 01:55:51,060
 That brings us to our concluding items.

1519
01:55:51,060 --> 01:55:56,000
 Any concluding items to mention from the commission?

1520
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:57,480
 I have one.

1521
01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:00,560
 Oh, early voting has started.

1522
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:09,920
 So please go participate in the wonderful opportunity that we have to elect our municipal

1523
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:14,760
 leaders, both at the school district and the council level, who have great influence over

1524
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:18,920
 our daily lives.

1525
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:23,800
 Seeing nothing else, with no objection, I will adjourn this meeting of the Planning

1526
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:24,800
 and Zoning Commission.

1527
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:25,080
 Thank you.