WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.440 Hello and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:12.160 meeting for Wednesday October 2nd 2019. This is our work session and with the 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:19.020 quorum present I will call us to order at 532. Before our work session 00:00:19.020 --> 00:00:24.560 presentation we'll move down to clarification of agenda items. I will 00:00:24.560 --> 00:00:30.840 say for the record that Chair Rozelle and Commissioner Pernetta are absent at 00:00:30.840 --> 00:00:36.160 this time from the meeting. We only have a consent agenda today. Our public 00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:44.720 hearing item 4 has been removed and will be rescheduled for a future meeting. So 00:00:44.720 --> 00:00:51.160 with that being said, do we have anything for the consent agenda? Any 00:00:51.160 --> 00:00:57.320 questions? Okay, I have one and it's really just for my own notification and 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:10.700 Haley I think it might be yours it's it's for our first one. It's the walker 00:01:10.700 --> 00:01:14.520 track down. I just had a question regarding that temporary excess 00:01:14.520 --> 00:01:19.400 easement. Through this commercial portion? Yeah so that so it said the 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.200 temporary easement will be there until finish out till build out. Is that build 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:27.840 out of of just the residential part or the entire thing and how does that 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:31.880 actually work? I believe their intent is just for construction of the residential 00:01:31.880 --> 00:01:34.560 portion. They're thinking the commercial tract at this point would be several 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:39.200 years down the road probably okay but that will will go away once the 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:44.160 commercial and then where is access from that point going to be? So so that's 00:01:44.160 --> 00:01:49.440 going away and then access is going to be around and down or will that be for the 00:01:49.440 --> 00:01:53.960 subdivision or? Yeah well they would have access off of Giesling and Blag. And 00:01:53.960 --> 00:02:00.040 that's it okay so okay all right very good thank you. You're welcome. 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:24.120 Anybody else? Okay then let's move to Julie's presentation. All right I'm Julie 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:29.040 Wyatt senior planner with the City of Denton and we continue our Planning and 00:02:29.040 --> 00:02:32.680 Zoning Commission boot camp series with the second part and that is 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:36.880 comprehensive planning. Some of you have been on P&Z for a while may have may 00:02:36.880 --> 00:02:40.160 have heard most of this but it's always a good refresher to talk about 00:02:40.160 --> 00:02:44.160 comprehensive planning and I know we have some new ones on the Commission so 00:02:44.160 --> 00:02:49.080 this would be a good introduction to the comp plan. So today we're going to first 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.720 talk about the Texas Local Government Code and how that relates to 00:02:51.720 --> 00:02:55.840 comprehensive planning. We'll go into just what is a comprehensive plan. Talk 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:00.440 about a brief history of comprehensive planning in the City of Denton and then 00:03:00.440 --> 00:03:04.840 we'll get to our current comprehensive plan 2030 and then how that relates to 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:09.440 our Denton Development Code. So first the Texas Local Government Code and 00:03:09.440 --> 00:03:15.920 comprehensive planning. The the chapter 2 1 3 outlines what the regulations are 00:03:15.920 --> 00:03:20.480 for municipal comprehensive plans. The intent is to promote the public health 00:03:20.480 --> 00:03:25.520 safety and welfare. Municipality does not have to adopt a comprehensive plan but 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:30.880 they can as part of their planning effort and it's not the the content 00:03:30.880 --> 00:03:34.800 isn't prescribed within the Texas Local Government Code but it can include 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:40.720 several provisions things like land use, transportation, public facilities. It can 00:03:40.720 --> 00:03:45.800 be organized however that that that municipality sees fit and it's used to 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:50.840 coordinate and guide our regulations and then the municipality can define 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:54.400 that relationship between the comprehensive plan and the development 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:58.480 regulations. I've got some asterisks there because we're gonna be talking 00:03:58.480 --> 00:04:02.560 about that later in the presentation how we how we deal with that within the 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:09.240 City of Denton. So what broadly what is a comprehensive plan? Well the 1909 plan 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:13.280 of Chicago was really kind of that first comprehensive plan that was done in the 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.640 United States and here's one of the maps associated with that. This just looked at 00:04:17.640 --> 00:04:21.000 the parks and the thoroughfares. So that's kind of how it all started the 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:27.760 comprehensive planning in the United States. Generally it's it's a guide for 00:04:27.760 --> 00:04:31.560 the development of the community. It kind of sets forth what the community's 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:36.720 vision is, where a community is today, and then where they want to go. So that's 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:42.400 really what broadly what a comprehensive plan is. The Texas APA and that's 00:04:42.400 --> 00:04:46.400 American Planning Association goes a little further and gets a little more 00:04:46.400 --> 00:04:51.040 specific about what the purpose is. First to improve the the physical 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:56.160 environment of the community, to promote the public interest, to facilitate the 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:01.200 democratic determination and implementation of community policies, to 00:05:01.200 --> 00:05:05.680 affect political and technical coordination of development. Number five 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.120 is my favorite, to inject long-range considerations into the determination of 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:16.800 short-range actions. So it provides that that broad policy and then how that 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:21.280 relates to the projects that you see every other week. And then to bring 00:05:21.280 --> 00:05:24.920 professional and technical knowledge to bear in the making of political 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:31.880 decisions. What is typically included in a comprehensive plan? Generally the start 00:05:31.880 --> 00:05:35.880 of it is the vision statement. Where do we see ourselves and how do we 00:05:35.880 --> 00:05:40.040 see ourselves and where do we want to go? It also includes a lot of research and 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:45.440 analysis and that can vary depending on the plan, but I'm generally it's 00:05:45.440 --> 00:05:50.240 who lives here? What kind of housing we have? What kind of densities do we have? 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.040 What kind of you know are they are they multifamily? Are they apartments? Are they 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:59.640 houses? What is the makeup of our housing stock? How do we think 00:05:59.640 --> 00:06:02.640 we're gonna grow? How big are we gonna get and where do we think the growth is 00:06:02.640 --> 00:06:07.280 gonna go? Environmental analysis. What kind of trees do we have? Where are 00:06:07.280 --> 00:06:12.280 environmentally sensitive areas? Public facilities and infrastructure. Do we have 00:06:12.280 --> 00:06:18.200 enough roads and schools and water capacity? Land use capacity. How much 00:06:18.200 --> 00:06:24.280 undeveloped land do we have and how do we foresee it growing? Community character 00:06:24.280 --> 00:06:27.640 analysis. That's kind of the intangibles. You know the things that make Denton 00:06:27.640 --> 00:06:32.240 Denton and Denton unique. And then a fiscal analysis. What are the 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:38.200 implications of any growth? Next we have goals, objectives, and policies. Those are 00:06:38.200 --> 00:06:42.640 generally in all comprehensive plans. Those are general terms. We actually use 00:06:42.640 --> 00:06:47.360 different terms in the city of Denton so but but they're they're they're kind of 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:51.440 always those those three things. The goals that desired in-state. The 00:06:51.440 --> 00:06:55.880 objectives. Those benchmarks. How do we know we're getting there? And then those 00:06:55.880 --> 00:07:02.040 policies. What are those actions that we do to achieve those goals? Maps. Maps. We're 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:06.640 planners. So maps are always involved. And then implementation and monitoring. 00:07:06.640 --> 00:07:14.560 How how how is that all how is that plan then then put into practice? Other 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:18.000 facts to consider. Excuse me Julie. Commissioner Smith. Thank you. So when you 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.080 go back go back one slide. When you say goals, objectives, and policies you said 00:07:21.080 --> 00:07:25.560 that we use different terms. Yes. What terms do we? We'll go over those in just a 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:30.080 little bit. I know. I know. I promise. You know I'll point it out when we get 00:07:30.080 --> 00:07:36.080 there. So so comprehensive plans are a policy document. So they are different 00:07:36.080 --> 00:07:39.640 than the zoning code. That is the overarching policy. The Denton 00:07:39.640 --> 00:07:43.160 Development Code are actually those regulations that we then enforce. 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:49.280 There's typically a 20 year horizon. So so you're kind of looking 20 years out 00:07:49.280 --> 00:07:53.960 into the future. But it should be updated every five years. So things change on the 00:07:53.960 --> 00:07:57.760 ground. And so they really should be updated to make sure you've got the most 00:07:57.760 --> 00:08:03.100 current information possible. So a brief history of comprehensive planning in 00:08:03.100 --> 00:08:08.880 Denton. This is fun. So we've had one two three four comprehensive plans for the 00:08:08.880 --> 00:08:17.080 city of Denton. It started in 1960. Then it went to 74, 1999, and then 2030. I'm 00:08:17.080 --> 00:08:23.200 sorry. Well the 2030 was in 2015. So so this is one of my favorite quotes. This 00:08:23.200 --> 00:08:27.680 is from the 1960 land use plan. And it says if some method of measuring in a 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:31.760 intellectual level of a city were known, Denton would be listed among the leaders 00:08:31.760 --> 00:08:37.080 of the nation. So that was that was a quote from our 1960 plan. And here is a 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:42.720 map from that. So you can kind of see you know Denton was much smaller then. They 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:49.040 did have the the outer loop here. And it wasn't probably much of it built. And 00:08:49.040 --> 00:08:53.080 we're still we still haven't built the western portion. And you could see that 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:59.000 they had nodes of activity that they were anticipating as as the city grew. 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:04.320 And then there they had a thoroughfare for a thoroughfare plan associated with 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:08.880 it. As I said you've got that outer loop. Here's the loop 288 we all know and 00:09:08.880 --> 00:09:14.240 love. And then there was also they had an inner loop that they were proposing at 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:17.720 that time. And I was trying to figure out where that was but I really haven't 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:23.320 discerned exactly where that inner loop was proposed. And the 35 W in 1960 was 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:29.960 not constructed. So it was just a just a plan at that time. They also had a 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:35.760 downtown plan in 1960. So they were proposing a one-way traffic loop around 00:09:35.760 --> 00:09:41.000 downtown in this area that's green. And that was to be for pedestrians and slow 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:45.440 moving vehicles. They were also proposing as part of that plan a facelift to the 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:53.440 architecture. So those those those kind of flat facades that you see on on our 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:58.860 buildings downtown that was they were they were wanting the downtown buildings 00:09:58.860 --> 00:10:02.360 to actually put those in those modern facelifts. Now we're kind of taking them 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:06.000 down and going back to that historical architecture. But by that time that was 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:09.280 the latest and greatest thing. And they thought it would be more appealing to 00:10:09.280 --> 00:10:13.960 shoppers and attractive. And then city hall offices city offices didn't have air 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:17.200 conditioning. So that was one of the actions that they proposed is to get air 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:24.600 conditioning in in our city offices. So we're glad they did that. Then plan from 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:31.440 1999 this was the 1999 to 2020. It was adopted in 99 and it was the basis for 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:37.720 the development code we just we just went past. So that was the basis for the the 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:42.040 2002 Denton Development Code. And there was also a citywide rezoning associated 00:10:42.040 --> 00:10:47.120 with that. The land use focused on reducing sprawl, protecting neighborhoods, 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:51.160 mixing uses and appropriate development scale. And here is that future land use 00:10:51.160 --> 00:10:56.160 map associated with that. That yellow was that protecting existing neighborhoods 00:10:56.160 --> 00:11:02.920 future land use. And that gets us to our current comprehensive plan Denton Plan 00:11:02.920 --> 00:11:11.480 2030. So at a glance it was initiated in 2012 as an update to that 1999 plan. So 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.120 if I've said earlier that the the plan should be updated every five years if 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.080 you do the math. Didn't quite meet that goal but we're but we're we're moving 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.880 forward and we're gonna we're gonna keep that goal as we move forward. It was 00:11:26.880 --> 00:11:30.800 developed in five phases and there was significant community involvement with 00:11:30.800 --> 00:11:36.560 all five phases. It was adopted in February of 2015 so it took it took quite 00:11:36.560 --> 00:11:41.520 a while to get it get all through that community input and drafting that plan. 00:11:41.520 --> 00:11:47.440 And and just as an aside it projected that Denton population would increase to 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:53.320 207,000 by 2030. So the anticipation is that this city is gonna be a lot bigger 00:11:53.320 --> 00:12:00.080 by the by the end. So wanted to go over how to read the plan. First of all let me 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:06.600 ask does everyone have a comprehensive plan? A physical do you have you have one? 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:14.840 You okay all right all right you've got one so we need to get one for you sir it 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:19.000 sounds like. So it looks like this if you if you don't have it and maybe you're 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:23.300 not a paper person. If you're not a paper person it's actually digitally 00:12:23.300 --> 00:12:27.640 online. You can get through it through our website. So the whole thing you can 00:12:27.640 --> 00:12:33.640 download the PDF and and and read it online. So but if you don't if you don't 00:12:33.640 --> 00:12:38.360 know where to get it we can we can we can point you in the right spot. So how 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.760 to read the plan. First you know we talked about what the parts of the plan 00:12:41.760 --> 00:12:48.760 on our vision statement is on pages 14 and 15. It's a rather large vision 00:12:48.760 --> 00:12:56.980 statement. It spans two pages and it goes through all of the you know how we see 00:12:56.980 --> 00:13:01.520 ourselves and where we see ourselves going. It also has ten elements in the 00:13:01.520 --> 00:13:07.080 plan. Elements are just another word for chapter. So and each each element has a 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:13.320 different talks to a different aspect of how we want our city to grow. So we first 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:19.000 talk about the plan framework. We go over land use, fiscal and economic vitality, 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:23.960 community character, and urban design. We have a parks chapter, a mobility chapter, 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:27.400 housing and neighborhoods, community health, safety and services, 00:13:27.400 --> 00:13:31.080 infrastructure and utilities, and then at the end we have the implementation and 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.680 monitoring. So each of those elements contains research and analysis 00:13:35.680 --> 00:13:41.720 associated with that element as well as goals, policies, and actions. So before we 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:48.480 talked about goals, objectives, and policies, and the way we define those 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:55.360 terms are goals, policies, and actions. So and then it has maps of course. We have 00:13:55.360 --> 00:14:00.560 a growth map, existing land use maps, our existing land uses. We have a future land 00:14:00.560 --> 00:14:07.600 use map, focus areas, and then also our primarily sensitive areas. So here is 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.600 here is our vision statement and it's organized around four strategic 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.160 directions based upon that citizen consensus. First of all the character of 00:14:16.160 --> 00:14:20.320 Denton, our people, institutions, and government, the strength of our economy, 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:27.360 and then sound growth. So those are those four organizing principles. And then here 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:31.640 is just a page out of element two, so chapter two, which is our land use 00:14:31.640 --> 00:14:37.320 element. So up at the top you could see it says it's a land use element. Each 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.920 chapter also pulls out parts of the vision that are related to that chapter. 00:14:41.920 --> 00:14:49.160 So here are the here's the vision statement that relates to land use. We 00:14:49.160 --> 00:14:53.040 also have research and analysis. So embedded within each element are things 00:14:53.040 --> 00:14:59.640 like tables, or graphics, or also lots of research within the text of the document 00:14:59.640 --> 00:15:04.800 so you can go through and sort of figure out how they arrived at the conclusions. 00:15:04.800 --> 00:15:10.800 We have goals in the in the blue boxes. We have our land use or goals in the land 00:15:10.800 --> 00:15:14.640 use chapter, then the land use goals. Those set a general direction. They're our 00:15:14.640 --> 00:15:22.480 ideal future and those are supposed to be our long-range vision of what 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:29.200 we want of what we want our city to be. Then we have our policies. Those are 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:33.440 getting a little more specific. They're those specific statements that guide the 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.580 decision makers. They're the commitment to a particular course of action. They 00:15:37.580 --> 00:15:43.200 also describe context and maybe the rationale of the desired outcome. And then 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:47.880 finally more specific than that we have our actions how we're going to implement 00:15:47.880 --> 00:15:52.120 those goals and those will carry out those policies. They're supposed to be 00:15:52.120 --> 00:16:00.080 very specific. And then as part of one of our maps that the big map that we look 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:05.480 at all the time is our future land use map. I know on P&Z you see this every 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:11.720 every time. This was developed from not only public input but there were also 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:16.080 other variables and an assessment that went into that. First of all we looked at 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:20.480 existing conditions so what's on the ground today. We had alternative growth 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:25.320 scenarios so as part of the community input the citizens actually looked at 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:30.680 different maps and how they they wanted the city to grow. And so those those 00:16:30.680 --> 00:16:35.600 alternative growth scenarios one was kind of more sprawled out. One was more 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:42.000 compact. One was more based upon centers and and and in districts within the city. 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:47.660 And so we we had that that outreach to see how the community wanted to grow. We 00:16:47.660 --> 00:16:51.160 looked at capacity studies. How many houses we could support? How many 00:16:51.160 --> 00:16:56.280 businesses? Community priorities. Things like do we want walkability? Do we want 00:16:56.280 --> 00:17:03.240 more mix of uses? Our community character and then also a fiscal and impact 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.640 analysis and and you know that compact growth would be a more sound fiscal 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:12.480 analysis because there's fewer roads to maintain. Police and fire don't have to 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:19.600 go as far to to go out on calls. Other items to keep in mind when you're 00:17:19.600 --> 00:17:25.400 reading and working with a comprehensive plan. It is comprehensive. It is very 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:30.700 easy to get tunnel vision just on the future land use map that that's all we 00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:35.960 look at. And although that is a foundational map and and exhibit within 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:41.080 the the plan there is a lot of other information in the plan particularly with 00:17:41.080 --> 00:17:46.480 goals and policies that we need to look at when we're analyzing cases. Those give 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:50.920 you that context and what we meant when we created that map. So that's that's why 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:56.200 those the words are important it just like the map is. Commissioner Smith. 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:00.200 Thank you Vice Chair. Julie whenever we wrote down what you're talking about and 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.960 this is a good time to interrupt to talk about it I guess but seems like in the 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.840 past couple years we've seen a good amount of projects not all of them not 00:18:08.840 --> 00:18:11.520 even more than half I would bet but we see we see a good amount of projects 00:18:11.520 --> 00:18:14.400 that are coming in and staff recommendations coming and saying we 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:18.760 recommend it it is against the it's against the flim but we're recommending 00:18:18.760 --> 00:18:27.740 for it so were you here before 2015 how many of you at the city? 2013. On the on 00:18:27.740 --> 00:18:34.000 the old 2002 comprehensive plan did we set as to the 99 comprehensive plan did 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:38.540 we see a lot of those counter recommendations against the flim at the 00:18:38.540 --> 00:18:44.920 time? Do you ever seen that as a planner? I'm not sure if the city had that kind 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:51.840 of analysis at that time often but the 2002 plan did have a provision that if 00:18:51.840 --> 00:18:56.720 that if that rezoning case or specific use permit was not consistent with the 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.360 future land use map there was that additional analysis you went through. 00:19:00.360 --> 00:19:08.120 Further the 2002 code allowed comprehensive plan amendments so often 00:19:08.120 --> 00:19:12.280 they would go through comprehensive plan amendments to amend that future land 00:19:12.280 --> 00:19:18.680 use map before that zoning case went went ahead and you your your questions 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:23.560 are are predicting my my presentation because we're actually going to talk 00:19:23.560 --> 00:19:26.200 about that because that is something that save up my questions for you know 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:29.320 because that is something that we're actually going to be talking about and 00:19:29.320 --> 00:19:33.680 you're going to be seeing more it's within our 2019 code we have some really 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:39.340 specific processes that go with future land use or comprehensive plan 00:19:39.340 --> 00:19:42.680 amendments and it's going to be something that you're going to need to 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:47.960 get familiar with so it was a really great question because it's it's coming. 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:54.040 I'll stop interrupting. No you're good. Comprehensive and and and this speaks to 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:57.400 that as well because comprehensive planning is as much a process as it is a 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:02.800 product so yes we have this this great document at the end but it is also that 00:20:02.800 --> 00:20:07.320 process of us defining who we are and where we want to go and and that process 00:20:07.320 --> 00:20:13.760 extends to not only the adoption of that that original comprehensive plan but then 00:20:13.760 --> 00:20:17.480 it is a living document how does it change over time how do those 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:23.880 amendments change over time and why do they change over time so so if for 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:28.520 instance you know we've had some recent rezoning cases that have that will 00:20:28.520 --> 00:20:32.160 result in a population increase for our city and it's going to increase in 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:37.960 places that that weren't anticipated in 2012 and so how do we address that how 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:42.800 how going forward are we going to to incorporate that not only in our 00:20:42.800 --> 00:20:46.880 planning documents been in our day-to-day activities so so that's what 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:50.960 we're going to be working through together Texas local Texas local 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:55.520 government code chapter 211 does say that zoning regulations must be adopted 00:20:55.520 --> 00:20:59.880 in accordance with that comprehensive plan so so the comp so the 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.320 comprehensive plan and our zoning regulation really do relate to each 00:21:03.320 --> 00:21:06.480 other and they should we just want to make sure we look at the comprehensive 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:12.640 plan as a document as a whole and not just one specific part of it so now 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:17.400 we're getting to the 2019 code and what the regulations are going forward and 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:25.960 and what kinds of projects you're going to see so DDC section 2.4.5 e3 includes 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:29.960 the general regulations for or the general criteria for approval for all 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:34.280 projects and one of those is consistency with the comprehensive plan and other 00:21:34.280 --> 00:21:38.400 applicable plans and this is that those general broad that goes over all 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:43.400 projects first do proposed developments are they consistent with the 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:48.280 comprehensive plan and that decision-makers must weigh competing plan 00:21:48.280 --> 00:21:52.880 goals policies and strategies so you're will be looking at everything with the 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:57.600 comprehensive plan and then and the last point is an application which does not 00:21:57.600 --> 00:22:02.360 match the future land use map may be approved if it furthers the overall 00:22:02.360 --> 00:22:07.920 goals of that comprehensive plan and so that's where that that that flexibility 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.800 comes in that that leeway if it doesn't meet the future land use map but it is 00:22:11.800 --> 00:22:20.360 consistent with those overall goals as as the land use analysis shows and then 00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:25.240 we even go further so there is a provision within the 2019 code to amend 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:30.160 the comprehensive plan this is established to provide that flexibility 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:34.880 in response to changing circumstances and and it kind of gives two broad 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:40.040 categories for that so our comprehensive plan was it was begun in 2012 and it was 00:22:40.040 --> 00:22:45.680 adopted in 2015 and a lot it's it's 2019 it's almost 2020 and a lot's changed not 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:50.760 only not only broadly in the city that we have a lot more people who live here 00:22:50.760 --> 00:22:56.120 a lot of a lot of new businesses a lot of new employers but parts of the city 00:22:56.120 --> 00:23:00.360 have grown that we didn't anticipate in 2012 we kind of thought the north part 00:23:00.360 --> 00:23:05.600 of town wasn't going to grow for for a really long time and and and because of 00:23:05.600 --> 00:23:09.960 those development pressures the the north part of town has grown a lot and 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:14.560 is continuing to see that development pressure so so when we do those 00:23:14.560 --> 00:23:19.200 comprehensive plan amendments we're looking at was an error made in the in 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:24.400 the original findings with the adoption or probably what we'll see more often is 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:28.560 have events or trends changed since that last adoption and that's where our 00:23:28.560 --> 00:23:33.320 analysis will come in any amendments must be consistent with those overall 00:23:33.320 --> 00:23:38.080 goals and policies it has to provide a benefit to the city not just that 00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:42.360 individual property owner but it needs to provide a benefit as a whole and is 00:23:42.360 --> 00:23:48.400 it compatible with the surrounding land use goals also amendments to the future 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:54.080 land use map cannot adversely impact in public services in the environment land 00:23:54.080 --> 00:23:59.320 use or traffic so so we it really should be a comprehensive review of that of 00:23:59.320 --> 00:24:05.520 that request if someone's coming in for a comprehensive plan amendment did that 00:24:05.520 --> 00:24:11.000 answer your question on how we're gonna see it go forward okay all right and 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:17.160 then but but further we are it's it's been five years next year will be five 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:22.080 years since the adoption of Denton plan 2030 so guess what it's time to update 00:24:22.080 --> 00:24:29.920 it so as part of the 2019-2020 fiscal year budget $95,000 was approved in 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:35.820 order to start the that in order to accommodate for that update and our the 00:24:35.820 --> 00:24:41.760 RFQ process is beginning there's actually a an internal group that's 00:24:41.760 --> 00:24:45.400 that's looking at that now and that's going to take place over the next two 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:50.660 months beginning next year City Council will approve the consultant that's that's 00:24:50.660 --> 00:24:59.360 that's found during that RFQ process and then in the first quarter of next year 00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:03.480 we're looking at beginning that plan update we're gonna start with an 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:08.760 assessment of the implementation so how what's a how have we implemented it what 00:25:08.760 --> 00:25:12.200 do we need to do to continue to implement it and then those existing 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.600 conditions what has changed in the city how are the how the facts on the ground 00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:20.960 changed Richard and I were talking earlier that when when didn't plan 2030 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:26.080 was begun we were you know the world was a little different 2008 had just kind of 00:25:26.080 --> 00:25:31.600 happened we were still and kind of coming out of that 2008 and so economic 00:25:31.600 --> 00:25:34.960 conditions housing conditions a lot has changed since then we want to make sure 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.560 we capture all that so that's what's gonna start next year you're probably 00:25:38.560 --> 00:25:44.080 gonna see a lot of it come before you a lot of talk about that so so more to 00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:50.200 follow Julie what is the process for approving an a plan amendment it goes 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:54.880 through the public hearing process so it really kind of follows that zoning 00:25:54.880 --> 00:26:00.360 process you're familiar with it would go go to P&Z for recommendation and then to 00:26:00.360 --> 00:26:06.600 council for approval it's approved by ordinance and we're also I don't know if 00:26:06.600 --> 00:26:10.200 you're aware we're updating our mobility a mobility plan right now and it's not 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:14.200 just cars it's also bike and pet so it's really they're looking at it 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:17.760 comprehensive another thing they're also looking at is safe routes to schools so 00:26:17.760 --> 00:26:23.080 they're really trying to look at how our citizens move through our city they're 00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:27.020 expecting a draft report to be complete by the end of the year with a target 00:26:27.020 --> 00:26:33.240 adoption of April 2020 and then there is I don't know they have a website and 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:38.520 there's a survey so you should go take the survey so you just let me see let me 00:26:38.520 --> 00:26:49.000 click on it see what happens all right didn't work but you can go to this you 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.960 can go to the city's website and I think I just googled city of Denton mobility 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:57.580 plan update and I found it but there is an online survey they're doing public 00:26:57.580 --> 00:27:04.980 outreach here you go and and they also have maps associated with it so you can 00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:08.400 go kind of play around with this and and take a look at what our engineering 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.960 folks are doing we also talked to him today and we're looking to see if they 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.680 could come do a work session with y'all to really dive into the details about 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.040 the mobility plan and how that's moving forward and what they're going to be 00:27:19.040 --> 00:27:25.200 addressing so that that will be coming for you in a work session and the 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:30.080 future projects so didn't plan 2030 talks a lot about small area plans there 00:27:30.080 --> 00:27:34.120 are two areas they really talk about most and that is the downtown area and 00:27:34.120 --> 00:27:39.240 also those neighborhood University compatibility areas there was one plan 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:43.840 small area plan adopted earlier this year there was that oak gateway plan and 00:27:43.840 --> 00:27:49.480 that's for the areas around UNT but we have other small area plans that we 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:55.120 definitely will be moving forward with or and looking at the purpose of these 00:27:55.120 --> 00:28:00.040 so we have the the overarching comp plan which is the 30,000 foot view of the 00:28:00.040 --> 00:28:04.120 city the small area plans really are more localized there to look at local 00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:08.200 challenges and opportunities to provide local input for those residents and 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:12.920 stakeholders that that are really that live and in that in those smaller areas 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:17.240 and or work there or travel through there and then create support for those 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:20.680 plans so it's really kind of also a public outreach about continuing 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:25.360 defining our vision and how our city wants to grow so I mentioned the 00:28:25.360 --> 00:28:29.200 downtown area is a small area plan and then those neighborhood University 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:34.600 compatibility areas the dent plan 2030 also talks about looking at centers 00:28:34.600 --> 00:28:38.480 corridors and other focus areas think maybe some of those corridors that are 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:44.080 gateways to our city like places like Dallas University corridor you know 00:28:44.080 --> 00:28:50.000 those areas those are those are types of places that you see small area plans and 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.540 then the dent plan 2030 also goes over the guidelines for the process the 00:28:53.540 --> 00:28:57.280 things we actually look at that process for how you go through a small area plan 00:28:57.280 --> 00:29:01.720 so so those will also be forthcoming as we're as we're moving forward and 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:08.040 continuing to to work on our vision and make sure that our city is growing 00:29:08.040 --> 00:29:13.920 in accordance with plan 23 and that's all I have 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:21.440 Commissioner Smith. Thank you Vice Chair. So whatever the adjustments I think I 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:29.880 think Vice Chair Margie asked it but on the on the amendments to the flume 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:35.240 that's still a PNZ process PNZ to City Council process that's all the plan 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.560 amendments but I know if the the flume amendments are the same way as well yes 00:29:38.560 --> 00:29:42.960 sir it's part of it so who who initiates as a city initiated before a 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.960 zoning case has it kicked off by one project bringing something in like I'm 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.640 thinking like agave ranch up there that would have been kind of a that was that 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.920 was the most notable one I think off top the head that we had that was very 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:57.640 counter to what the future land use map was saying and so does that one project 00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:05.080 kick off possibly okay and who initiates it city developer either so 00:30:05.080 --> 00:30:08.800 a developer could come forward with a future land use Richard may want to weigh 00:30:08.800 --> 00:30:13.800 in here future lay so a developer could come if they've got a really 00:30:13.800 --> 00:30:17.240 comprehensively planned project they may come in with a comprehensive plan 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:21.880 amendment for that map or it could be city initiated depending on especially 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:25.480 that update that we're going to be going forward with and I'll let Richard wait 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.440 yeah the other thing I also would add is as we start to look at these a little 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.360 bit more critically you know it's one thing where it's residential and it's 00:30:33.360 --> 00:30:38.480 it's maybe a residential land use but not the right density I think part of it 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.960 even to the north area I mean we kind of looked at those areas is almost a 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.680 reserve area than really a true rural area and so I think that'll be one of 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:50.880 the biggest policy discussions as we update our new plan we're working with 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:55.520 an applicant now that's looking at a large tract that's going to have 00:30:55.520 --> 00:31:01.320 multiple multiple districts one to be quite honest is has more of an 00:31:01.320 --> 00:31:06.600 industrial land use they want to go with more of a community mixed use 00:31:06.600 --> 00:31:11.680 commercial land use or I'm sorry zoning that's something that we have we told 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:16.640 them we would we could not support unless you updated the comp plan and so 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:21.560 that's one where if there's at least some some connectivity if you will to 00:31:21.560 --> 00:31:27.000 where the zoning and land use that somewhat relate it's you can kind of 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.480 look at some of those I think the guidance is there to look beyond and look 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:35.440 at some of some of the other policies but when it's industrial to residential 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:39.920 there's no there's no relationship there really so you are gonna be looking for 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:44.400 that relationship piece I just I think I asked the question one I think it's good 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.280 that we're giving flexibility to the plan but I don't want to lose the 00:31:47.280 --> 00:31:51.280 integrity of it as well where anytime we have anybody who comes in and wants to 00:31:51.280 --> 00:31:54.640 rezone and says hey you know this isn't really fit it's rural but you know it's 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:58.880 not rural use anymore you should put a much put a housing development here okay 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.760 can't just start bending to everybody's will because it won't start having a 00:32:01.760 --> 00:32:06.920 hodgepodge patch work of future land use changes and so so you're gonna be 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:12.280 looking at it is it is it related is it is it at least somewhat close to it 00:32:12.280 --> 00:32:16.800 where if it's gonna go from you know we were talking about low low low density 00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:20.680 residential to moderate density residential or high that moderate to 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.880 high or something like that okay we can work within that or you know high 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.480 density residential to community mixed use okay close so that's that's kind of 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.400 the guiding line there correct correct I think as we look at and just even as 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.840 some of our corridors have developed sort of what's on the ground now so we 00:32:36.840 --> 00:32:41.280 have some some areas particularly sort of in the eastern eastern side of the 00:32:41.280 --> 00:32:45.640 city where we have these pockets of industrial areas some have developed 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.960 some haven't and when you really look at how the neighborhoods have built around 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.800 it is it really appropriate to have those industrial areas right in the 00:32:52.800 --> 00:32:56.560 middle of residential neighborhoods or should it still maintain sort of where 00:32:56.560 --> 00:33:00.220 we have our industrial area out west and so it's just starting to look at how 00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:04.240 we've developed some of those to be quite honest those patterns have carried 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.880 over from the 1960s and so everything has developed around it so now it's 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.160 just really taking that critical look at and saying is this is this really still 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:16.440 what's intended and now we have these vacant industrial parcels in the middle 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:21.040 is this what we want to is this what we want to see or does it make sense to 00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:26.240 sure and so rather than just kind of go outside the bounds a little bit this is 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.600 I think the first time that I've seen even just going back hey when have we 00:33:29.600 --> 00:33:34.760 ever done a comp plan map amendment that wasn't a city initiated one I don't 00:33:34.760 --> 00:33:39.720 necessarily know it's been a long time and so this will be one of those first 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:44.520 ones I think that at least this commission probably will see or have 00:33:44.520 --> 00:33:53.280 seen the small area plan is it going to supersede the flume does it is it in 00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:58.040 conjunction with the flume how does it how does that work in conjunction it 00:33:58.040 --> 00:34:03.440 should and a lot of those small area plans and in the dent plan 2030 has some 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:08.200 future land use designations like our downtown compatibility area or the 00:34:08.200 --> 00:34:12.040 neighborhood University compatibility areas where there's there's some there's 00:34:12.040 --> 00:34:16.160 a lot of flexibility within that so that's where we really want those small 00:34:16.160 --> 00:34:21.120 area plans so we can get we can get a little more granular in what those 00:34:21.120 --> 00:34:25.840 specific areas need and it really should further inform that comprehensive plan 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.480 the way it was by the way I read it just may seem like it was superseding for 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.200 some reason but that's not the way I read the Oakmont or the Oakmont the 00:34:32.200 --> 00:34:39.480 gateway area when we approved back in February but okay thank you anybody else 00:34:39.480 --> 00:35:02.800 any questions Commissioner for now those when we're actually making decisions 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:08.880 because in a lot of ways they feel like nice suggestions and not to demean any 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:14.640 anything but do you know what I'm saying you know like when we're just when they're 00:35:14.640 --> 00:35:19.440 bought before us and their suggestions on what we'd like to see happen how much 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:24.720 are we considering that is being codified as opposed to being an ideal 00:35:24.720 --> 00:35:29.280 well they are policy documents but they're policy documents that should be 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:34.120 referenced and and a basis for our analysis when we have a case coming 00:35:34.120 --> 00:35:39.320 before us so and our 2019 code really goes further than the 2002 code and that 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:45.440 it does it not only talks about those that is a is a is a proposal consistent 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.960 with the with the comprehensive plan but is it also consistent with other plans 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:52.400 associated with that area and so we're going to be not only looking at the 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.640 comprehensive plan when we analyze projects as we're implementing the 2019 00:35:56.640 --> 00:36:00.280 code but we're going to be also factoring any small area plans that are 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:07.360 associated with with that with that site so yeah it's it's it's it's it's a lot 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:13.600 more prominent in that 2019 code mr. Smith thank you faster this is 00:36:13.600 --> 00:36:17.520 actually a question Julia rich cancer but we're talking about the comp plan 00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:21.920 amendments and we're seeing those little tops of pockets of industrial 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.120 surrounded by residential or something like that I don't think anybody in the 00:36:25.120 --> 00:36:29.120 residential is really gonna have an issue with seeing industrial being 00:36:29.120 --> 00:36:34.280 changed on the plan the plan and that will kick off a zoning it changes well 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:38.560 correct or how does that how does that work how does zoning tied to land use 00:36:38.560 --> 00:36:44.600 mapping correct so they'll be so really we're looking at it in a way of prior 00:36:44.600 --> 00:36:49.920 to even getting this and we may run them most likely concurrently but for the 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.760 most part in order to get that at least our our recommendation of approval you 00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:59.880 would have to have that your your zoning consistent with with that future land 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:03.640 use element and that would all be brought together so you see that the 00:37:03.640 --> 00:37:07.960 whole picture I'm betting that it's gonna be more of the industrials to 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:18.800 residentials and a lot less of the industrials to correct correct I think 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:24.120 and most of it is gonna occur along some of our corridors I think if you just 00:37:24.120 --> 00:37:29.040 look at what's happening with the May Hill Road expansion and just how that 00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:34.160 area has grown sort of west of there from between the loop and and May Hill 00:37:34.160 --> 00:37:38.000 and that whole area is really transitioning a number of different ways 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:45.320 and it's just really taking a hard look at that but as as humbled rather than 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.280 doing it in these small peaceful fashions they're starting to acquire 00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:51.800 large large large tracts of land and really looking at more of a 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.320 comprehensive development which quite honestly I think is a better probably a 00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:59.600 better approach to it but then allows us to really look at you know now we're 00:37:59.600 --> 00:38:03.560 gonna have a six lane arterial running through there yeah yeah it might not 00:38:03.560 --> 00:38:07.480 make sense for single-family but then do we also want more heavy trucks and 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:11.360 industrial or does it make sense to be more of a commercial office I'm just 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:15.320 envisioning some of the headaches that came along the citywide rezoning and 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:22.280 having to come back you know us us city initiating you know future land use and 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:26.880 then kicking off zoning changes and then they're all back to square one of we're 00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:30.640 changing entire areas and we're gonna have neighbors and folks coming out and 00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:33.560 talking about it before downs only I don't think we're having anybody get 00:38:33.560 --> 00:38:38.480 mad about the industrial man turned into residential land unless they were sold a 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.240 house saying that this is always gonna be a park when it's been zoned heavy 00:38:42.240 --> 00:38:45.120 industrial for forever and they can ever build a home development but now they 00:38:45.120 --> 00:38:55.560 can so just commissioner back yeah I'm not sure who to direct this to but you 00:38:55.560 --> 00:39:01.200 mentioned the granularity of when you were discussing the flume and the plan 00:39:01.200 --> 00:39:06.120 and this sort of subtopic has come up a little bit when you're doing these 00:39:06.120 --> 00:39:13.520 audits is there a stated policy to reduce the granularity maintain the 00:39:13.520 --> 00:39:19.560 variability is whereas it just vary across the landscape of Denton as it 00:39:19.560 --> 00:39:25.040 were because when we're talking about down and up zoning you're really often 00:39:25.040 --> 00:39:31.760 talking about reducing the variability of the various plans and zones to two 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:36.600 more common features and you're you've got mixed right now and then you're 00:39:36.600 --> 00:39:41.600 going to go to all residential as as the plan adopts it so is that a guiding 00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:46.160 policy that you want to have more of a mixed environment or have less of a 00:39:46.160 --> 00:39:53.680 mixed environment or there is no there's no bias towards one or the other it 00:39:53.680 --> 00:39:58.960 really depends and I think when you when you look at at the at the at the 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:03.240 comprehensive plan of the future land use element it is this very broad broad 00:40:03.240 --> 00:40:09.200 document and so you may have commercial or regional mixed use and it provides 00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:12.800 those guiding overall policies for various different parts of the city and 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:19.480 I think where the where the small area plans come into play is for those those 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:24.120 areas that are unique where where it's it needs to be a little bit of a deeper 00:40:24.120 --> 00:40:28.600 dive that's where then then that's where that kind of comes in and then further 00:40:28.600 --> 00:40:34.200 supplements those those guiding policies for that for that for that area within 00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:39.720 that that category if you will from there the the the land development 00:40:39.720 --> 00:40:43.760 regulations then are then developed which really get into that really really 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:49.520 granular level in some instances it's a straight zoning others it's a PD where 00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:58.800 it's very very specific to that parcel in that parcel only if that helps I think 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:03.360 it's fair to say and Richard correct me if you think I'm wrong but I think that 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.760 when you talk about the future land use map that's something that is 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:13.000 irrefutably valid if the future land use map supports a rezoning it's it's just 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:20.160 beyond question that that's that that is a valid rezoning decision to make it I 00:41:20.160 --> 00:41:25.080 think that you look into some of the other areas to help supplement that as 00:41:25.080 --> 00:41:30.720 Richard said to to look and see if if if perhaps it wasn't something that was 00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:36.020 anticipated by the future land use map are there other is there other evidence 00:41:36.020 --> 00:41:42.280 to support that that growth was anticipated in some other way does it 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:47.680 solve some other goals for the area that maybe we're not anticipated by the 00:41:47.680 --> 00:41:53.640 future land use map as we're talking around Sherman Drive the the future land 00:41:53.640 --> 00:41:58.400 use map is talking about very agricultural uses and that's proven to be 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:04.640 not entirely correct but there are some valid considerations insofar as it's 00:42:04.640 --> 00:42:11.680 kind of a transportation center for the city and a natural magnet for growth you 00:42:11.680 --> 00:42:18.400 know that that's it's really hard to recommend denial of a zoning case when 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:22.440 it is spot-on consistent with the future land use I mean that is that is the 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:26.000 number one question right when you do the when you do the review of the two 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:32.720 criteria essentially that are there I still struggle I really struggle the 00:42:32.720 --> 00:42:36.280 first couple months when we were bringing forward a rezoning that was 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:41.480 inconsistent with the land use a past life you that just that was against the 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:46.840 law I mean you couldn't do that insofar as if the land if the zoning was not 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:50.900 consistent with the future land use the future land use rule so if you had 00:42:50.900 --> 00:42:54.560 standards within that land use plan that was different than the zoning 00:42:54.560 --> 00:42:58.480 regulations the land use plan governed over those were over those zoning 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:04.560 regulations Texas is a little different in that regard but I think what what 00:43:04.560 --> 00:43:10.520 you're starting to see now is really a little bit more of a I think the 2019 00:43:10.520 --> 00:43:14.800 sets it up that way a little bit more of an analytical approach to how we how we 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:19.320 start looking at these zoning districts where changes that are inconsistent with 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:25.680 the future land use map. But also probably a good reason why the plan needs to be 00:43:25.680 --> 00:43:30.320 looked at correct correct that coupled with an update to the mobility plan and 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.720 then if you recall parks being here there's the parks master plan being 00:43:33.720 --> 00:43:39.400 updated so we have all of these sort of ancillary very important documents water 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.640 and sewer master plan that have been updated that we now need to really take 00:43:43.640 --> 00:43:47.200 a hard look at our comprehensive plan and make sure that that's all consistent 00:43:47.200 --> 00:43:51.640 so we don't get into these other inconsistencies as we as we look at 00:43:51.640 --> 00:43:58.520 these or evaluate cases that are brought forward. Commissioner Smith. I thank you 00:43:58.520 --> 00:44:03.400 Jerry I think I agree with you I just would hate for us to start seeing these 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:08.640 comprehensive plan amendments coming along just with a new a new project comes 00:44:08.640 --> 00:44:14.360 in gigantic 10,000 home tract happening out on three on 35 W West and we have 00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:17.560 this future land use amendment coming right before the zoning and then we sit 00:44:17.560 --> 00:44:21.760 here and say well zoning once the once the future land use has changed zoning 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:27.240 has to obviously change as well it just kind of it would be seen by the public 00:44:27.240 --> 00:44:30.360 as something that we're just we're trying to change the rules so that the 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.400 way we play the game is the best way to win. I'd hate for that to be seen that 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.720 way I think it needs to be done I think you're a hundred percent right I think 00:44:37.720 --> 00:44:42.040 there's like Agave Ranch is a phenomenal example for us to be viewing within this 00:44:42.040 --> 00:44:46.000 because that was land that wasn't being used for agricultural it was just being 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.480 it's just sitting vacant land and it needed to needed to be turned over that 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:56.840 whole corridor needed to be turned over and I think it's good to have it but I 00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:01.960 would hate for us as a city to start having this this perception of and we 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.720 all know how today's day and age perception is what's really leading the 00:45:05.720 --> 00:45:09.320 charge around here but I'd hate to have the perception that we're just changing 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:12.360 future land use to meet the zoning and then sitting here saying from a legal 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.720 representation that well we've always just changed zones whenever the land use 00:45:15.720 --> 00:45:18.680 doesn't match so we're going to change the land use so that makes the zoning 00:45:18.680 --> 00:45:26.320 work that's a little it's a little unintegrous so sorry. 00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:31.120 Commissioner Pernod? So I guess I have a question when we're talking about the 00:45:31.120 --> 00:45:36.600 future land use map and basically looking at the plan as a whole 00:45:36.600 --> 00:45:41.320 traditionally when we look at zoning you know we take you know suggestions and we 00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:46.960 advertise within a few hundred feet of the surrounding area you know as Richard 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.680 mentioned a second ago one of the things we're going to look at is Mayhill 00:45:50.680 --> 00:45:55.440 right which is traditionally there's a lot of industrial right there if we 00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:02.040 down zone you know the area around that we're going to be having areas where we 00:46:02.040 --> 00:46:07.760 have residential abutting against industrial are we going to give plenty 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.440 of people the opportunity in a broad enough area around that to discuss this 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:17.560 because one of the things that I think about is a few months ago we had you 00:46:17.560 --> 00:46:22.440 know zoning come up along the train tracks next to TWA near the golf course 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.680 across from the golf course and we had a lot of citizens come in who lived in 00:46:27.680 --> 00:46:31.640 those houses you know along Riddell and everything like that that have been 00:46:31.640 --> 00:46:38.360 there for generations narrow streets you know high density smaller houses older 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.400 houses but to have big trucks coming in and out through neighborhoods to get to 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:47.680 an already established industrial area I want to make sure that if we're going to 00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:52.920 be down zoning into that area outside of Mayhill we make sure that we give 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.120 people who are outside of the current range an opportunity to discuss what 00:46:57.120 --> 00:47:01.320 their concerns would be because at some point we're going to have trucks and 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.360 everything you know going through possibly narrow streets to get to things 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:10.680 that they that they already use is that doesn't make sense yeah no we definitely 00:47:10.680 --> 00:47:15.680 can look at that I mean we even had that conversation earlier today just about 00:47:15.680 --> 00:47:22.880 making sure that are we reaching further enough out to make sure that we contact 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.520 people and so one of the items as we send out even just our regular 00:47:27.520 --> 00:47:32.640 notifications you know we do an annual update every year of the HOA is that 00:47:32.640 --> 00:47:38.720 various HOA is in the city and so even though they might be outside of the the 00:47:38.720 --> 00:47:44.920 true legal standard or 200 feet or even 500 but at least if there's an HOA or 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:51.080 group within that area that we at least we get that notice to them so they're 00:47:51.080 --> 00:47:55.080 they can they can handle however they want to do with their community but at 00:47:55.080 --> 00:47:59.640 least it at least to get the word out even further what it would be my guess 00:47:59.640 --> 00:48:06.840 that comprehensive plan amendments is a pretty inclusive process isn't it isn't 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:12.720 something that happens quickly no and and the quite honestly that the it's a 00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:19.680 much it's a much higher standard to change that it is I don't anticipate a 00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:24.760 lot of them to be quite honest coming in but in some instances some of these 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:30.440 areas that we're looking at it probably makes sense to be quite honest in some 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:35.040 and these are undeveloped areas and so it's really setting the future when it's 00:48:35.040 --> 00:48:39.720 completely surrounded by resident where it's land Houston zone residential and 00:48:39.720 --> 00:48:43.760 then you have sort of these pockets of industrial does that still I mean it 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:48.040 also comes down to a policy discussion but we just want to be able to really 00:48:48.040 --> 00:48:51.160 look at how we're how we're planning our future how we're extending utilities 00:48:51.160 --> 00:48:56.400 roads it doesn't really make sense to continue with this pattern and I think 00:48:56.400 --> 00:49:00.240 with our current plan I mean we started talking about in 2012 implemented in 00:49:00.240 --> 00:49:05.320 2015 it's almost 2020 I mean it's definitely time to to have the 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:11.160 discussion about what you know what isn't there that maybe needs to be there 00:49:11.160 --> 00:49:17.400 that that is is our growth as the city of them and that's where really that we 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:22.320 sort of the way we structure the scope of service is really sort of a two-pronged 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:26.880 approach is so really that first one is let's just do an overall assessment and 00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:31.680 evaluation of of the current plan today where we are what we did what we didn't 00:49:31.680 --> 00:49:35.680 do what we didn't accomplish and why it could be for a number of reasons does it 00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:41.320 even still make sense to do this and then really use that as the basis for for 00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:47.360 making making making the changes I think sometimes we're going back and 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.160 forth on this today sometimes complaints are great sometimes they get so lofty 00:49:52.160 --> 00:49:58.240 and so in the air that they're almost unattainable and I think everyone gets 00:49:58.240 --> 00:50:02.080 maybe I'm always I told Julie that maybe I'm a little bit more pragmatic with 00:50:02.080 --> 00:50:05.560 some of these things but but I think we need to really take that take that look 00:50:05.560 --> 00:50:12.000 because I think it also puts us in a in a situation where we have areas where 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:16.600 there's no development but we may have a corridor that's all commercial mixed use 00:50:16.600 --> 00:50:22.560 land use the zoning is is our and going back to where Jerry was it's really hard 00:50:22.560 --> 00:50:28.200 for us to say oh yeah they're they want to go to suburban corridor but if it's 00:50:28.200 --> 00:50:32.320 consistent with that land use plan we've established that in 15 it's really hard 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.800 to say no and and a lot of times the residents don't understand that and so 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.000 that's where I think we just need to be very realistic with that with the 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:48.600 expectation of that plan not saying it's bad but just as we move forward so step 00:50:48.600 --> 00:50:52.760 one of that is is to for the council to find the consultant is that what I 00:50:52.760 --> 00:51:00.880 understand from the presentation correct any other questions thank you Julie 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:06.320 appreciate it before I close the work session I did want to officially welcome 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:13.720 Commissioner Brian Beck as he begins his first term on PNC so welcome aboard and 00:51:13.720 --> 00:51:18.600 Richard has something I have one item that just popped up okay I guess the 00:51:18.600 --> 00:51:25.840 the applicant for our first preliminary plat the first item on consent they had 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:32.800 asked that that item be pulled off the agenda I think due to some to financing 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:39.520 reasons so there they are requesting that the preliminary plat for Walker 00:51:39.520 --> 00:51:44.880 track be pulled off of this evening's agenda 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:52.480 thank you Richard okay with that I will close the work session at 624 we will 00:51:52.480 --> 00:52:00.560 reconvene for regular meeting in council chambers at 630 hello and welcome to the 00:52:00.560 --> 00:52:03.760 city of Denton planning and zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday October 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:11.320 2nd 2019 with a quorum present I will call us to order at 630 p.m. the first 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.500 item on our agenda is to stand if you are able and pledge allegiance to the 00:52:15.500 --> 00:52:45.280 US and Texas flag okay for clarification our agenda our 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:50.280 one public hearing for today agenda item number four has been pulled from the 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:56.680 agenda it was removed and it will be rescheduled at a future meeting with 00:52:56.680 --> 00:53:04.120 that that moves us to our approval of minutes for September 18th I will 00:53:04.120 --> 00:53:09.500 entertain a motion from Commissioner Smith 00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:15.480 Commissioner Prenada second the motion okay we have a first and a second to 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:21.840 approve minutes for September 18th 2019 me any discussion okay let's call for a 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.480 vote on the board 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:40.320 that motion will carry 5-0 that moves us to consent agenda to clarify that our 00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:45.640 first item on the consent agenda has been pulled for consideration so we will 00:53:45.640 --> 00:53:51.480 just have the item 2 and 3 on consent agenda Commissioner Smith motion for 00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:58.840 approval - extended item a Commissioner Prenada second the motion okay we have a 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:06.360 first and a second to approve the consent agenda - the first any questions 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:11.880 any discussion okay let's call for a vote on the board 00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:24.520 that will carry 6-0 that moves us to the planning and zoning matrix and I'll 00:54:24.520 --> 00:54:30.480 leave that to Richard just to provide a quick update I know we have the to be 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.760 determined on the upland habitat that will most likely be coming in in November 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.520 with the with the criteria manual so we're looking at trying to bring those 00:54:38.520 --> 00:54:45.360 all together the staff analysis updates that will be part of our next meetings 00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:51.600 work session item the next meeting will be the first group of there's some of 00:54:51.600 --> 00:54:56.360 the plats that that will be governed under 3167 and so we'll sort of just 00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:02.680 give a brief overview again of that bill and then sort of explain how how the how 00:55:02.680 --> 00:55:08.640 our AIS or staff report if you will has changed and what goes into that and then 00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:13.120 we'll sort of follow that back up and sort of look at our group three city 00:55:13.120 --> 00:55:19.680 initiated rezoning and so that will sort of come back around in in November one 00:55:19.680 --> 00:55:24.560 thing I did also want to mention excuse me I know Kathy had reached out about a 00:55:24.560 --> 00:55:30.120 special call work session on the 23rd we're not gonna have that so you could 00:55:30.120 --> 00:55:34.920 take it off the calendar so what I think what we'll end up doing as it and that's 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:40.160 really with respect to Hunter and coal ranch the two MPC's what will most 00:55:40.160 --> 00:55:45.640 likely do is that will probably just be part of a regular meeting in November 00:55:45.640 --> 00:55:54.040 most likely and so once we get more of a specific date for that we'll reach out 00:55:54.040 --> 00:55:58.560 to see probably most likely an early start time and go from there but just 00:55:58.560 --> 00:56:05.000 wanted to update that it will not be on the 23rd any council updates for 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:14.080 anything between our meetings I don't believe we've we've had any since the 00:56:14.080 --> 00:56:19.480 last since the last meeting very good does anybody have anything to be added 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:27.400 to the matrix okay seeing none that concludes our meeting and I will call us 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:32.600 adjourned at 6 34 p.m. thanks everybody