WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.600 Okay. All right. Good afternoon. This is the Friday, February 28, 2025 meeting of the Sustainability 00:00:12.600 --> 00:00:19.400 Framework Advisory Committee being held here at the work session room of the Denton City 00:00:19.400 --> 00:00:34.360 Hall. Our first item on our agenda today is approval of January 24, 2025 minutes. Any 00:00:34.360 --> 00:00:41.840 discussion? Any motions? I move to approve. I second. All right. We have a motion to approve 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:54.200 and a second. Dr. Meyer and Mr. Richter, all in favor of approval? Aye. All opposed? Nobody's 00:00:54.200 --> 00:01:01.520 opposed. Okay. Our next item is to receive a report and hold a discussion and give staff 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:22.160 direction regarding Electric Lawn Equipment Incentive Pilot Program. Captain Barnett, 00:01:22.160 --> 00:01:26.760 I'm the Sustainability Manager, Environmental Services and Sustainability. If you can't 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:32.160 hear me, just let me know. I might have to give Julie City Yell for me. So we're going 00:01:32.160 --> 00:01:39.120 to talk about the Electric Lawn Equipment Incentive Program that we proposed in the work plan. 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:43.960 It has some general requirements. We reviewed several programs, different states, and it 00:01:43.960 --> 00:01:51.320 seemed to be pretty consistent. General requirement, battery powered equipment. Then we have some 00:01:51.320 --> 00:01:58.040 rebate levels that we're proposing, some options, and then a question about disposal of gasoline 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:05.040 equipment and the options for that. So the program would be available to DIN residents. 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:10.320 It's not going to be tied to DME customer status because this would be framework funding, 00:02:10.320 --> 00:02:14.880 so it would be all DIN residents. It would be a new battery powered lawn equipment would 00:02:14.880 --> 00:02:19.760 be eligible. The application, similar to the Green Sense Program, would have to include 00:02:19.760 --> 00:02:26.200 the detailed receipt, the type of equipment, which is price. Again, like Green Sense, submitted 00:02:26.200 --> 00:02:32.680 within 90 days of purchase. And then we were considering an additional $50 step up with 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:39.440 proof of disposal of a gasoline powered lawn mower, which would be disposed of through 00:02:39.440 --> 00:02:49.640 the City of DIN. So just the incentive options that we proposed. We saw rebates as low as 00:02:49.640 --> 00:02:59.320 $50 for lawn mowers, and then up to $100 or more for the string trimmer tool type equipment, 00:02:59.320 --> 00:03:05.200 with your other few options. So one would be a max of $500, and you can get up to a 00:03:05.200 --> 00:03:12.280 $300 rebate for a lawn mower with turn in. $250 for one without turning in the gasoline 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:18.880 lawn mower, and then up to $100 for the string trimmer lower spas, and $50 for an additional 00:03:18.880 --> 00:03:26.060 battery. And it would be a combination of rebates up to $500. Second option would be 00:03:26.060 --> 00:03:32.880 the max of $300, and you can see the 50% and just the lower rebate levels on that option. 00:03:32.880 --> 00:03:40.280 And then option three would just be a flat rebate, not a 50% of an invoice. It would 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:47.120 just be a flat rebate of $100, 50 for the string trimmer, 50 for the mower without turn 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:54.000 in, and then 25 for the additional battery. Do y'all have any questions or thoughts about 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.840 any of those options? 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:09.360 I have a question and a comment. So this program involves only battery-operated lawn mower, 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.080 not the ones that have a cord. 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:12.080 Correct. 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:18.640 And the reason is, you said, for ease of use and range. But I think if we think better 00:04:18.640 --> 00:04:25.200 about the environmental impact and sustainability, I think using the battery-operated one does 00:04:25.200 --> 00:04:32.680 more damage to the environment than just plug it in your lawn mower. So are there any incentives 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:39.240 to continue this program with the cord-operated? 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:46.040 I have one, and I'm not going to go on about that with me. I'm just thinking. 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:53.360 I think that the programs that we've reviewed, I didn't see any that were corded. There's 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:59.840 nothing to say that we couldn't have a corded equipment rebate. I understand the concern 00:04:59.840 --> 00:05:04.760 about the materials and the batteries and the recycling options for the batteries. I 00:05:04.760 --> 00:05:10.080 think that it's probably more practical, maybe, for the battery for some folks when they're 00:05:10.080 --> 00:05:15.600 going out with a lawn mower. I think a corded string trimmer is probably a little bit easier 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:22.000 for folks to look at, but not opposed to considering it corded. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:27.760 I'd like to echo Dr. Meyer's concern, because I did dig around a little bit on Lowe's and 00:05:27.760 --> 00:05:35.000 Duplo's website, as I'm sure the staff did too. And there are corded electric lawn equipment. 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:39.840 And if I feel the motivation under the sustainability framework is to get something in an incentive 00:05:39.840 --> 00:05:44.400 program shifting from gasoline, I think we still check that box with corded electric 00:05:44.400 --> 00:05:50.640 equipment. So I would agree, I think, at least, to adding it to the program could be considered 00:05:50.640 --> 00:05:57.560 if it still meets the goal of reducing emissions and pollution from gas-powered lawn equipment. 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:03.840 I guess to add, though, I was looking at City of Dallas' recently closed incentive program 00:06:03.840 --> 00:06:09.720 that's similarly structured. And they kind of went with a little bit separate categories. 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:15.280 It seemed like they were hitting $100 for a push mower, $200 for a riding, $50 for trimmer 00:06:15.280 --> 00:06:20.160 and other lawn equipment, and $25 for batteries at flat rebate, which kind of falls largely 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:24.920 into our option 3 category. So I looked at that and kind of thought we were doing pretty 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:30.680 good, but our base option was matching what Dallas is processing through right now. But 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:36.400 then I did go a little bit further and looked at what are the top offerings that your large 00:06:36.400 --> 00:06:43.320 box retailers offer. So I just added up the top 10 most popular lawn equipment for mowers 00:06:43.320 --> 00:06:48.400 and trimmers and whatever. And the price gaps for the mowers between electric and gas came 00:06:48.400 --> 00:06:54.480 out to about $80, electric being a little bit more expensive. And then for the trimmers, 00:06:54.480 --> 00:07:00.680 most of the electric powered equipment was already anywhere from $50 to about $75 cheaper 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:06.480 than the gas powered equipment. So that kind of told me maybe something we look at is structuring 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:11.640 a little bit heavier of a weight where there is a larger price difference between the electric 00:07:11.640 --> 00:07:16.640 and gas power to push that incentive a little bit more if the market's already there in 00:07:16.640 --> 00:07:21.240 a lot of places for the handheld equipment. So that could be just something to discuss 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:26.520 and consider. But given that little dig around, I was leaning for option one or option two 00:07:26.520 --> 00:07:33.320 in our pricing structure. One question I did have though, knowing that Dallas did have 00:07:33.320 --> 00:07:40.400 a differential between their types of mowing equipment, do we split a riding versus a push 00:07:40.400 --> 00:07:45.240 versus a self-propelled mower? Are we kind of capturing that all in one bucket? 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:54.680 It's all in one bucket. And then I was wondering too, for the trade-in option, what the implementation 00:07:54.680 --> 00:08:00.520 of that would look like, how we're recording proof of disposal through the bulk curbside 00:08:00.520 --> 00:08:06.440 collection. So that's on a future slide that I can tell you. So the City of Denton can 00:08:06.440 --> 00:08:11.800 pick up a lot more as a bulky item curbside right now. It just has to be drained of all 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:16.520 the gas and oil. They could also be dropped off at our home chemical collection site, 00:08:16.520 --> 00:08:22.680 also drained, talked to Solid Waste about creating just a freedom of disposal that they 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:29.640 could give the homeowner to submit whenever they turn one in or have one picked up. 00:08:29.640 --> 00:08:37.880 Any other discussion? A couple things. One, I echo the coordinate comment. I think that's 00:08:37.880 --> 00:08:47.720 good. Is there a disposal program for gas-powered leaf blowers? 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:53.880 Not that I'm aware of. I think there's going to be a lot more plastic in the house. I have 00:08:53.880 --> 00:09:01.560 with the multi lawn mowers that are going to start recycling for destruction. 00:09:01.560 --> 00:09:06.440 And my other question, well two, one real quick, I just don't follow. What does it mean 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:12.680 by those max figures? There doesn't have to be a max calendar year or program year that 00:09:12.680 --> 00:09:16.680 somebody could receive so they couldn't go get three lawn mower remains. I see. All right. 00:09:16.680 --> 00:09:23.560 Thanks. You probably said that. I just missed it. The other is does the staff or will you 00:09:23.560 --> 00:09:34.120 at some point get a sense of the, some way quantifying the benefits of this incentive 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:40.600 with others in our offering? Because my general sense is this is a pretty good deal because I 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:43.960 know a little bit there's a lot of air pollution and noise that comes off of these things and it 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:49.960 has a lot of co-benefits that come with it just locally. Is that? And there's some calculators 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:55.560 that we can estimate emissions reduction. We can bring that back and we'll talk about the 00:09:55.560 --> 00:10:01.960 great sense reductions as well. That's coming up next month, I think. I don't think it'll be super 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.640 precise, but maybe just to see general comparison. Just some estimates, yeah. Catherine, if I may, 00:10:07.640 --> 00:10:11.560 I was taking around on that because I was interested too and I did find a resource that showed 00:10:11.560 --> 00:10:20.920 the annual emissions equivalent of lawn usage for Denton County was the particulate matter equivalent 00:10:20.920 --> 00:10:29.160 of 522,000 cars operating normally in a year. And then another resource was saying the typical 00:10:29.160 --> 00:10:35.800 emissions of lawn care equipment are often 100 to 120 times higher than a vehicle or a combustion 00:10:35.800 --> 00:10:41.480 engine vehicle or truck. So this is a really targeted program if the motivation is emissions 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.360 reduction. Air quality improvement. I mean that that was my general sense. Thank you for the 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.680 numbers. This could have a real big impact. I'll send you that paper, yeah, that came from there. 00:10:50.680 --> 00:11:03.720 Thanks for doing the research. Very good. Appreciate it. Any other comments or questions? I think it 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:16.360 would be advantageous to add cordage. I've started out with a corded lawnmower and a corded trimmer 00:11:17.560 --> 00:11:26.440 and got tired of juggling the cords and so we've got the battery and it's a dream. 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:39.480 So with that in mind, I would also hope that we could use the largest incentive that we can give, 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:53.000 option one. And to back up a little on what Adam said, I think when this program is communicated 00:11:53.000 --> 00:12:03.320 to the public that we really make a very detailed list of benefits of using electric lawn equipment 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:18.680 as opposed to combustion engine. The marketing program. Are there any ideas yet about that? How 00:12:18.680 --> 00:12:25.960 is it going to be, you know, information in bills or and website? We can use all of the tools that 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:36.760 we currently use. Citizen connection, resident update, website, social media. Does the Parks and Rec, 00:12:36.760 --> 00:12:44.520 I know they got one lawnmower last year, one electric lawnmower, I think. One electric return. 00:12:44.520 --> 00:12:48.680 Yeah. And then they're using a lot of the battery power hand tool equipment. 00:12:52.680 --> 00:13:00.760 So maybe in terms of promotion, some videos could be made of staff actually using big smiles on their 00:13:00.760 --> 00:13:11.560 face. Absolutely. But I think this is great. And the figures that Bran just gave us really 00:13:11.560 --> 00:13:20.040 gives even more impetus to to implementing a program like this, I think. One follow-up question 00:13:20.040 --> 00:13:24.680 I had because it does kind of sound like the general approval of this type of project. But 00:13:24.680 --> 00:13:30.760 looking forward, I remember we had a discussion when we first thought about putting this type 00:13:30.760 --> 00:13:38.360 of program in the rebate program, looking at commercial entities and incentivizing a transition 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:44.840 from gas to electric. And we kind of had mixed signals there. I suppose from a staff perspective, 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:50.360 looking at this first year implementation of this type of program and depending on its success or 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:57.000 not, if I'd like to return to that discussion maybe at next fiscal, if we want to renew this and 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:03.800 consider expanding it for commercial entities since it's not tied to D&E customers exclusively. 00:14:03.800 --> 00:14:08.440 But I think that's maybe a future discussion to follow up. I think we can leave that on the list 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:14.680 for a future discussion. Does anyone else have any feelings about that option? What level? 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:19.480 Option one, two, or three. What's the total amount of money that's available? 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:23.720 We have $50,000 earmarked for this right now for the pilot. 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:37.160 I mean, I lean towards option one. That's kind of why I asked that question just because 00:14:37.160 --> 00:14:41.240 my general sense is this could have a real big impact. Me too. 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:49.800 But I honestly don't know enough. I would also say option one and maybe we treat it 00:14:49.800 --> 00:14:55.000 similar to the Evike program where we maxed out and we had to do some reshifting if the program 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:59.640 was really successful. But maybe we cross that bridge when we get there. We can revisit absolutely 00:14:59.640 --> 00:15:05.720 if we find we're bumping up against that. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's great. 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:11.480 I will let you know that in my conversations with Lowe's about their bond equipment, 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.920 about 75% of what they have on the shelves now is electric. 00:15:14.920 --> 00:15:21.400 So that market uptake has really started to make a noticeable difference. 00:15:21.400 --> 00:15:29.400 Any more discussion? Do you need any more from us? Okay, thank you very much. 00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:33.880 Let's see what we have next. 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:42.440 The next item is to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:45.560 State of Texas energy efficiency rebate programs. 00:15:45.560 --> 00:15:53.320 From me again. So just a little bit of an update. 00:15:53.320 --> 00:16:05.240 So we're just going to talk a little bit about the energy efficiency rebates that 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:14.840 the State Energy Conservation Office has been awarded. There's two programs, 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:20.280 the Home Efficiency Rebates or the HOMES program and then the Home Electrification Rebate program 00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:29.160 or the HEAR program. So HOMES incentivizes whole home retrofits. It's for single family or multi 00:16:29.160 --> 00:16:36.040 family. It's available to any income level. But this is where the low income, moderate income 00:16:36.040 --> 00:16:40.120 hasn't benefited. The readout amounts are doubled for low or moderate income households. 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:44.680 And this program does stack with our Green Sense rebates. So you could qualify for a 00:16:44.680 --> 00:16:49.160 Green Sense rebate and it wouldn't reduce your HOMES rebate. 00:16:49.160 --> 00:16:58.040 So the readout amounts are determined based on energy savings calculated 00:16:58.920 --> 00:17:07.400 or modeled. And for the energy savings between 20% up to 34%, low income will receive a $4,000 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:14.200 dollar rebate or up to 80%. All other is $2,000 or up to 50%. And then the $200 for multi-family. 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.760 So there is a benefit for multi-family with these as well. And then energy savings greater 00:17:18.760 --> 00:17:29.400 than 35%. It's a double readout amount, so $80,000 and $4,000. The measured savings pathway, 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:38.040 it's for proven kilowatt hour reduction equivalent and that would be $4,000 for 20% and $2,000 for 00:17:38.040 --> 00:17:47.320 anything below that. The HEAR rebate program is the Appliance Rebate program that we've talked 00:17:47.320 --> 00:17:54.200 about before. This would be available to low or moderate income. The owners of multi-family 00:17:54.200 --> 00:18:02.440 units could also use that with greater or equal to 50% LMI. So any government commercial or 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:07.960 non-profit entity carrying out the qualified project on behalf of the event can also qualify. 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:13.160 The income eligibility determines the percentage of the cost covered 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:21.000 and it will also stack with rebates. And these are the rebates that they hope to have point of sale 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:27.240 so there wouldn't be the initial cost to the homeowner or to the applicant. 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:34.760 And the rebate levels are listed there. So it will get into the appliances in the home. It gets into 00:18:34.760 --> 00:18:42.920 the breaker box improvements, wiring. So it gets into the home improvements necessary to have more 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:51.560 electric appliances. So with this program, the state was hoping to have them launched 00:18:51.560 --> 00:18:57.320 and applications available this summer. These have gotten caught up in the funding freeze. 00:18:57.320 --> 00:19:05.080 So we are monitoring the state. We're monitoring the federal level of funding. We saw some funding 00:19:05.080 --> 00:19:12.120 was released just this week for some Pennsylvania projects. So we're hopeful that these will be 00:19:12.120 --> 00:19:19.640 funded. These are direct to homeowner, property owner improvements to lower energy bills. 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:26.680 So I'm very hopeful that these will be released and can start being paid this summer. 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:33.480 And with that we can, I can stand for any questions. 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:51.400 Question? Sorry if I missed this, but it's a state program, but is this federal funds coming 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:58.200 through the state? Yes. States were allocated funding through for these programs. They had to 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:03.720 submit an application and a plan for how to use the funding. Texas has been approved. 00:20:05.560 --> 00:20:12.920 It was approved in December I believe. And so we're just waiting on funding to be made available. 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:18.600 And was this through the IRA? Yes. Okay so when you said it's caught up in the funding freeze, 00:20:18.600 --> 00:20:24.120 it's the federal? The federal funding freeze, yes. There was an allocation to each state. Some 00:20:24.120 --> 00:20:30.920 states chose not to use the program. And so right now we're kind of limbo as we. Yes. 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:42.040 But do you know of any campaigns on the part of municipalities or states that are lobbying 00:20:42.040 --> 00:20:49.160 for the unfreezing of these funds? Or is it just a wait and see situation? 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:57.240 I don't know if there's one specific to these funds. I've seen 00:20:59.960 --> 00:21:07.640 several other programs with very specific requests for release of funding. 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:13.240 I have not seen one specific to these two programs. I thought that I didn't know if that would tie in 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:24.200 with another item that was going to be discussed regarding lobbying in Austin. Perhaps I don't know 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:34.120 the niceties of it. But if that were made a part of the city's ask for the legislature the importance 00:21:34.120 --> 00:21:40.200 of stuff like this. Yes I know some of the states are definitely involved with asking for those funds 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:46.360 to be released since it's going directly to the state and not to the cities. A little bit of a 00:21:46.360 --> 00:21:57.880 go-between there. Thank you. Any other? That's anything. Okay thank you very much. 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:08.040 Okay next we have staff reports. 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:28.120 Do you have some memos from your backup and the matrix? Do you have any questions on any of those? 00:22:28.120 --> 00:22:34.520 So you're including all 00:22:34.520 --> 00:22:43.320 follow-up memo, the 89th state legislative program, and the matrix. 00:22:44.520 --> 00:22:47.640 Do you want comments on that? Yes if you have any questions or comments. Anybody? 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:55.320 Oh I do have some questions. 00:22:55.320 --> 00:23:02.440 On the memorandum on the matrix follow-up, 00:23:09.320 --> 00:23:15.160 I was just curious as to whether since the city has not done its own risk assessment 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:24.840 of city infrastructure, are there plans for the city to do such a risk assessment rather than 00:23:24.840 --> 00:23:31.320 under the umbrella, large umbrella that it is now under the Denton County Emergency Management 00:23:31.320 --> 00:23:42.120 Department. So I would like to know if there are any potential plans to do our own risk 00:23:42.120 --> 00:23:48.520 assessment of our own infrastructure. And we can ask our risk management department. Okay. 00:23:53.320 --> 00:24:08.680 The other thing that I wanted to mention is the need for more educational outreach on climate 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:29.000 change and I think also the community information meetings. Well I'll cut right to the chase here. 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:39.080 When I went to our website, as we all know under air quality and greenhouse gases, there's a link 00:24:39.080 --> 00:24:50.200 to the Department of Energy climate change resources. And I don't think it's the website 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:59.320 that we want as a resource now. Climate change is couched simply in terms of its dangers to the 00:24:59.320 --> 00:25:08.840 fossil fuel industry. Any links to renewable energy that are on the site take you back to the welcome 00:25:08.840 --> 00:25:16.040 to the website page. All of this stuff has been scrubbed. So I think it's imperative that we get 00:25:16.040 --> 00:25:29.800 that off the website and put up some useful information. And along those lines, there is a 00:25:29.800 --> 00:25:38.440 I don't know if you've seen this, it's called the world's littlest book on climate change, 00:25:40.280 --> 00:25:51.560 which can be downloaded for free off the website. It's just facts. Very easy, very educational. 00:25:51.560 --> 00:25:59.240 There's another book which I neglected to bring which I can send you all in an email. But I think 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:09.480 this it's imperative that you start looking at some good information about climate change, 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:18.200 what people can do, frequently asked questions, situations like that. And I'll finish this up with 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:25.720 when the city decided to resurrect its integrated pest management plan to use 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:31.080 as much organic pesticides and herbicides in the parks. 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:42.360 We went to Austin's IPM program and a committee was formed to do this under 00:26:42.360 --> 00:26:49.960 Laura Behrens. And Ms. Behrens said we're going to use the Austin 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:57.080 plan as a template, but the difference is going to be that our plan is going to be better. 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:06.600 And it is. So I would also suggest using a template such as Austin's or San Antonio's, 00:27:06.600 --> 00:27:14.760 especially Austin's in terms of community outreach for information about climate change. 00:27:14.760 --> 00:27:21.400 I think we should use that as a model and make it better just like we did with the IPM plan. 00:27:24.600 --> 00:27:28.280 So that's my all I have to say. 00:27:28.280 --> 00:27:51.560 You know obviously this is one more thing, pardon me, tying this in with the climate action plan. 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:58.760 I mean how many people know we have a climate action plan and what it's hopefully going to do? 00:27:58.760 --> 00:28:07.080 Putting out as much information as we can that is going to help 00:28:07.080 --> 00:28:14.440 Denton reach its goal of net zero by 2050. That to me is the target date and everything 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:21.400 that we put out should be geared toward reaching that. Now I'm finished. 00:28:24.040 --> 00:28:36.360 Okay. So does that bring us to anybody have anything they want to add to the matrix? 00:28:36.360 --> 00:28:48.360 No? Okay. Well that brings us to the end of the meeting. So there are a motion to adjourn. 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.840 May, motion made. Seconded. 00:28:54.840 --> 00:29:06.760 Motion made and seconded to adjourn. So we'll see everyone next month. Thank you.