WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.560 26th mobility committee meeting let the record show that I as vice-chair am 00:00:07.560 --> 00:00:14.340 running the meeting chair a bird is unavailable today with that I see that 00:00:14.340 --> 00:00:19.080 there is a quorum present so we'll go ahead and convene the meeting starting 00:00:19.080 --> 00:00:28.880 at 1002 with that we will start off with this item number one citizens comments 00:00:28.880 --> 00:00:33.880 on agenda items and we do have one comment from miss Lauren Penn so if you 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:38.680 could come to the podium give your name and then would love to hear your 00:00:38.680 --> 00:00:46.600 comments going to lower this just a little bit here okay my name is Lauren 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:53.200 Penn I live on Georgetown Drive here in Denton I've lived in Denton for about 20 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:59.060 years I've lived on Georgetown Drive for 11 and thank you so much for having 00:00:59.060 --> 00:01:06.000 this meeting today I I just wanted to say a couple things as a resident and as 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:11.920 someone who is really passionate about safety for our residents and especially 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:16.400 for our most vulnerable residents which would be people like my kids I have 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:23.240 three daughters who are aged 11 9 and one and a half and they frequently ride 00:01:23.240 --> 00:01:27.520 bikes around the neighborhood they walk to the park we also try to walk and bike 00:01:27.520 --> 00:01:33.200 to school and over the past few years I've noticed that that has just become 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:38.600 a little bit more stressful and more dangerous to do so I recently was made 00:01:38.600 --> 00:01:43.680 aware of a really bad car accident that happened at the intersection of 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:49.800 University Drive and Malone which is where my children crossed 380 to go to 00:01:49.800 --> 00:01:55.000 school this car actually overturned this was a couple days before Christmas it 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:02.320 landed directly in the crosswalk where children walk to go to school and my 00:02:02.320 --> 00:02:06.880 heart just broke when I saw that because I thought God forbid that happened on a 00:02:06.880 --> 00:02:11.960 school morning when kids are trying to get to school we have in the past have 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:16.560 had crossing guards there we have not seen crossing guards there this year we 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:21.080 have children as young as five walking to school from my neighborhood over to 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:26.000 Newton razor elementary we have children as young as ten walking to and from 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:31.000 Calhoun Middle School which is now over in that direction my daughter Ivy has 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:37.320 actually walked home by herself and by 345 there's there's no one there to usher 00:02:37.320 --> 00:02:42.080 kids across the highway so that was a that was definitely a wake-up call for 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:47.120 me among other things but one of the things I as I've started diving into 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:52.800 this and become really aware and really passionate about mobility about safe 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:57.400 streets is when I've discovered the mobility plan that that our city has I 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:03.800 was so encouraged I was so touched to know that our city is is working towards 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:09.760 creating a really safe and I believe equitable way for our residents to get 00:03:09.760 --> 00:03:15.040 around I think about the many neighbors that I have that walk to work that don't 00:03:15.040 --> 00:03:20.360 have cars right now our neighborhood has no sidewalks we have one sidewalk along 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:28.320 Malone that that just ends we have streets that are graded in such a way 00:03:28.320 --> 00:03:32.840 that it's difficult to walk on them and everyone is forced to walk on the 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:39.200 street I have a lot of elderly neighbors who try to get out and exercise they 00:03:39.200 --> 00:03:45.000 have walkers they have canes many of them are essentially trapped in their 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.840 homes because how uneven the streets are we have residents that have had to dodge 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:55.680 vehicles flying over 30 miles an hour down my street and miss pin wrap up your 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:00.440 that's your time but so wrap up your final comment sure so I would like the 00:04:00.440 --> 00:04:05.640 mobility committee to continue your work and essentially I would ask that you 00:04:05.640 --> 00:04:10.600 would prioritize the parts of our town that don't have sidewalks because as of 00:04:10.600 --> 00:04:15.320 now this is not only a safety issue it's for our children for our elderly it's 00:04:15.320 --> 00:04:20.640 also a health issue because people can't get out and exercise and walk safely and 00:04:20.640 --> 00:04:26.960 we we simply just ask that you would continue to have if there is any way to 00:04:26.960 --> 00:04:33.360 know a timeline so that our neighbors will know at what point can we expect a 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.920 means to get safely around our neighborhood I appreciate you miss pin 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:43.520 staff real quick regarding her parents on the agenda are we allowed to direct 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:47.160 questions at her or not 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:56.600 at that time if it's something that's not on the agenda today you can ask for 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.720 it to be brought back on the matrix then then what I do that I know we're safe in 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:06.520 is I will ask staff to get with you staff has a number of resources that 00:05:06.520 --> 00:05:11.240 they can convey about timelines safe routes the school and some other issues 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:16.560 these are these are statements of fact and so what why not is if you can stay 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:21.440 after the meeting or I'll have staff get a hold of you and get feedback to you 00:05:21.440 --> 00:05:25.960 yes and I just want to I also want to say I have had a meeting with dr. Butt 00:05:25.960 --> 00:05:30.760 and with Chandra and and that was incredibly encouraging they they took the 00:05:30.760 --> 00:05:34.480 time of when I raised some of these issues they took the time to meet with 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:40.120 me for several hours and and listened and had a lot of great feedback and so I 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:45.240 just really appreciate your efforts to to listen and to to connect with with me 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:58.240 and my neighborhood so can we get an update I know we have a sidewalk work 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:02.520 plan that we've used to prioritize where sidewalks go in next can we get an 00:06:02.520 --> 00:06:07.600 update sort of on and I know that that was like I think a five-year work plan 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:10.760 so if we can get an update on kind of where we are on the sidewalk work plan 00:06:10.760 --> 00:06:15.200 and if we have future years planned out yet I think that would be helpful for you as 00:06:15.200 --> 00:06:21.280 well yeah anything else from other board members no all right thank you miss pen 00:06:21.280 --> 00:06:34.680 thank you very much all right and so with that we will move on to item 2 to a 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:41.680 MC 2 5 0 0 6 consider approval of the minutes from January 29th the the vice 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:50.800 chair will take a motion I so move first from counselor Holland second from from 00:06:50.800 --> 00:07:04.480 commissioner all in favor say aye all opposed the chairs and I so that 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:14.440 passes what four of us for zero all right with that we will move on to item B MC 2 00:07:14.440 --> 00:07:19.080 5 0 0 7 receive report hold discussion regarding speed management and traffic 00:07:19.080 --> 00:07:23.160 calming how it works the evidence of its effectiveness and advantages over 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:31.080 conventional street design with that I will pass it over to staff thank you good 00:07:31.080 --> 00:07:39.840 morning Greg Scott city of Denton transportation services division bike 00:07:39.840 --> 00:07:50.080 ped and ADA coordinator and I'm coming to you today also as a certified and and 00:07:50.080 --> 00:08:00.800 seasoned roadway safety professional in fact my certificate number 79 and there's 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:09.080 now thousands of people with that certification and and that's relevant to 00:08:09.080 --> 00:08:17.840 our conversation today because there's three messages that roadway safety 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:25.080 professionals bring okay first is that everything we do in and around our 00:08:25.080 --> 00:08:35.680 roadways communicate to drivers and all users the appropriate behavior for good 00:08:35.680 --> 00:08:42.160 or for bad actually the or behavior not just appropriate behavior but it also 00:08:42.160 --> 00:08:51.120 communicates inappropriate behavior at times the speed and comfort which we've 00:08:51.120 --> 00:09:03.800 been striving for for over a century are inherently dangerous for humans that 00:09:03.800 --> 00:09:13.760 calming is the and we've spent our time the conventional approach has been to 00:09:13.760 --> 00:09:22.280 continue to press that speed and comfort button and our safety approach has been 00:09:22.280 --> 00:09:32.800 to yell get out of the way to other users calming as I'm going to use it 00:09:32.800 --> 00:09:38.680 here which is inclusive of traffic calming speed management the type of 00:09:38.680 --> 00:09:45.920 traffic calming that you may think of as treatments to repair a road that is too 00:09:45.920 --> 00:09:54.120 long or too wide or communicates the wrong messages but and also calming 00:09:54.120 --> 00:10:01.720 includes original designs that engage the driver lower speeds and such so I'm 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:10.800 just going to call all that calming so calming is the opposite of the 00:10:10.800 --> 00:10:15.460 conventional approach which makes it difficult because there's so much 00:10:15.460 --> 00:10:20.800 momentum behind the conventional approach and we can't sleep our way sleep 00:10:20.800 --> 00:10:28.880 walk our way through this we have to be it requires changes to policy procedures 00:10:28.880 --> 00:10:36.080 and organizational change which is always difficult and if we are going to 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:47.360 embrace this we'll have to be leaders as a city as transportation for America 00:10:47.360 --> 00:11:01.120 says you can't prioritize both speed and safety and that is very true so as said 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.940 here traffic calming I'm not going to be reading a lot from the slides so I'll 00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:13.160 ask you to take a look at them traffic calming uses design to communicate 00:11:13.160 --> 00:11:21.760 proper behavior we've taken a first step as a City Council as a city to say our 00:11:21.760 --> 00:11:30.280 highest priority is human life over all road decisions and that we're going to 00:11:30.280 --> 00:11:38.760 use physical road features to improve safety and this last strategy you'll see 00:11:38.760 --> 00:11:46.440 how this plays into what you'll be seeing in the future is these projects 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:57.040 that we're planning to design low-stress bike-ped facilities so if you take a 00:11:57.040 --> 00:12:03.660 look at this see how it makes you feel on one side you have the conventional 00:12:03.660 --> 00:12:09.480 approach there although probably not intentional at the time there were some 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:15.200 intentionality to it something that feels more like traffic calming and 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:21.960 you'll note that they're not one-off projects this isn't like throwing a 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:32.120 speed hump out there and say we got this right it is a feel it works best as a 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:47.720 package it's multiple things it starts in the planning process so comparing 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:57.840 trap calming to the conventional approach again is calming puts actually 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:08.120 things in the right-of-way it puts it what it puts low consequent risk in the 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:14.600 right-of-way to reflect the inherent risks that actually are there and have 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:19.360 always been there that we've tried to get rid of over time but we cannot it's 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:24.320 just impossible to get rid of those risks okay so it puts risk in some risk 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:30.680 you might you know you might bump your tire on the curb but that's better than 00:13:30.680 --> 00:13:41.160 hitting a child okay so and in that way engages the driver and so if you look 00:13:41.160 --> 00:13:49.120 first on this left side is it right yeah left side but these are fairly minor 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:55.200 things there's just it's still a package but they're minor you may recall when we 00:13:55.200 --> 00:14:01.960 talked about speed pillows the speed pillows though the rise I told you about 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:13.840 a implementation of speed pillows in Portland where and a speed pillow maybe 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:20.960 rises four inches over seven feet to go up and then has a plateau about three 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:27.400 feet and then four inches down and then besides that it has grooves channels for 00:14:27.400 --> 00:14:33.200 a fire department to go to go through so they don't have to go up and over and 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:40.640 you would think how does that change okay but what it does is it lowers the 00:14:40.640 --> 00:14:46.760 top speeds so all the speeds if you look at it on the graph like that it 00:14:46.760 --> 00:15:00.680 compresses by moving the the the higher speeds in that makes sense so I'm gonna 00:15:00.680 --> 00:15:09.160 shift gears for this next side which is that it's so beneficial to have to lower 00:15:09.160 --> 00:15:15.960 that speed just a little bit to compress that range of speeds because there's an 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:23.340 exponential correlation between a lot of the risk we experience as as community 00:15:23.340 --> 00:15:31.320 as road users and the severity as well so if you think about this is one 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.640 example you have thinking time you have stopping time this one's a little 00:15:35.640 --> 00:15:43.280 obvious that the curve by increasing your speed by just over two times you're 00:15:43.280 --> 00:15:48.480 increasing your stopping distance by you know four and a half times right so it's 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:59.880 it's pretty exponential here's another example so they've put computers that on 00:15:59.880 --> 00:16:07.080 glasses to watch drivers eye movement and such and what they're seeing is that 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:12.360 as you increase your speed this is for everybody no matter who we are because 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:17.960 we're humans as we increase our speed our focus lengthens and our vision 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:26.280 narrows so what you get is kind of a blindness to the side when I worked in 00:16:26.280 --> 00:16:35.960 Orlando we would measure before or after treatments for mid-block road crossings 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:43.880 and we were just not seeing them going down a high rate of people on these are 00:16:43.880 --> 00:16:48.760 major streets high rate of people just blow by when there's a pedestrian there 00:16:48.760 --> 00:16:55.320 we tried enforcement we put more signs the signs did help a little bit depending 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.880 on where they were not so much on the side as you can imagine more in the 00:16:59.880 --> 00:17:07.040 center and you know the range of thought was you know this is kind of a cultural 00:17:07.040 --> 00:17:12.200 thing right we're we're in Orlando we're in the south people don't care that much 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:16.320 or maybe there's a bunch of New Yorkers down here maybe they're just rude and 00:17:16.320 --> 00:17:21.360 they don't care or maybe all these people from all over the world you know 00:17:21.360 --> 00:17:27.680 they're not used to this right so that was kind of the thought but you know 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:34.160 coming being a Portlander everybody in Portland it's almost to a fault stops 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:44.320 okay but and I couldn't do it either and it was really due to this because if you 00:17:44.320 --> 00:17:48.080 unless you intentionally look or whatever you'll blow I would blow by 00:17:48.080 --> 00:17:55.800 people waiting to cross because the speeds were so high that that you just 00:17:55.800 --> 00:18:00.680 couldn't see him right even though technically you could you thought you 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:10.040 could but you can't and then it's about severity I mean we all know that if 00:18:10.040 --> 00:18:16.000 you've been bowling if you bowl real fast you see you know the impact of 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:25.000 kinetic energy on things we are things and it's exponential if you hit the pins 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:35.440 and sometimes so I'm not gonna dwell on that you've all seen this so what makes 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:45.160 traffic calming hard also is the trust that it takes because it is not how we 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:55.200 normally do things we're adding some risk minor risk to the roadway people 00:18:55.200 --> 00:19:04.240 can be upset about that so you have to trust that it works and how we know is 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:14.160 we have studies are showing how changes to our roadway environment affect 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:20.920 positively or negatively quite different types of crashes and sometimes they're 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:28.640 very specific findings and sometimes they're broader and bless you you know 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:34.880 in like October I handed this out this is a list of what's called crash 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:41.920 modification factors that that shows how the connections between specific 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:47.520 trauma traffic calming and and different types of crashes these are all injury 00:19:47.520 --> 00:19:55.520 crashes in this case so that's available to you also the federal government has a 00:19:55.520 --> 00:20:03.320 plethora of guidance on this they really encourage it they you can go very deep 00:20:03.320 --> 00:20:13.480 and see where to do it what to what where you need to take some care but 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:18.160 it's very encouraging what they have okay these are things that we can trust 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:26.920 these are things that help us if we feel that we might be legally exposed right 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:38.760 because these are guidance from the feds so what would be the alternative I guess 00:20:38.760 --> 00:20:47.160 more education enforcement those are pretty expensive those are pretty 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:55.480 fleeting vehicle safety has been really helpful to us for people that are in the 00:20:55.480 --> 00:21:04.000 car not so much people outside the car as I think you you've seen in one of the 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:09.680 one of the memos that you have show some graphs regarding that you've got 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:17.080 pedestrian fatalities going way up and there's a K shaped as they call it 00:21:17.080 --> 00:21:23.920 right pedestrian fatalities going up well in in vehicle you know they're 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:31.640 going down because at least as a proportion because because we've done a 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:38.160 pretty good job of creating little cocoons for ourselves so again 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:47.120 conventional tries to eliminate risks sanitize the road we've got warrants for 00:21:47.120 --> 00:21:52.960 crossings warrants for this and warrants for that right trying to prioritize that 00:21:52.960 --> 00:22:00.640 speed okay but it sends a message that there's not risks out here we don't see 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.880 many risks right it was when we do see the risk they're really random the speed 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:13.720 is safe peds are pedestrians are confined to crossings we're calming 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:23.880 communicates that risk by adding some really relatively minor risk without 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:33.520 concept not with minor consequences in order to communicate that and so in the 00:22:33.520 --> 00:22:47.640 next I'm going to move on so in the next month we're going to talk about 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:56.440 implementable recommendations and what we can do about it kind of an action 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:02.280 plan that's what it what it comes down to but in the end it just requires 00:23:02.280 --> 00:23:11.960 attention and distrust and leadership that's that's it sure mr. chair all 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:21.400 right questions for mr. Scott good thank you for this presentation Greg I'm 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:24.560 really excited to see that we're looking at the the more meaningful long-term 00:23:24.560 --> 00:23:27.400 types of approaches for slowing speeds because I know people get frustrated 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:31.480 they complain about speeding in their neighborhood we you know can address it 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.800 for a little bit but then as soon as the humans enforcing it are gone then it 00:23:34.800 --> 00:23:38.000 kind of returns after a while so I'm really glad to see that we're looking at 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:43.360 options that are more meaningful and long-lasting one question I have is as 00:23:43.360 --> 00:23:49.120 we're looking at corridors to calm we are also building new roads that are 00:23:49.120 --> 00:23:53.800 wide and inviting speeding so I'm specifically thinking of I think it's 00:23:53.800 --> 00:23:57.360 Highland Park Road there's a new segment of it down in Dina and also the new 00:23:57.360 --> 00:24:03.600 segment of parvin I think those are both collectors and there's not really any 00:24:03.600 --> 00:24:08.240 reason to park along those and they're about a four-lane wide road I think the 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.480 thought is that people could park on it but it's kind of not in an area that 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.600 people are going to park so I'm kind of curious if and you don't have to answer 00:24:14.600 --> 00:24:20.240 this now but as part of this if we at some point might also look at our 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:25.560 transportation criteria manual to see if at least we can look at the context of 00:24:25.560 --> 00:24:29.480 let's say a collector to see do we need it to be this wide or are we just 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:33.240 inviting speeding I think Hercules up in the North Lakes area there's a new 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:37.440 segment same problem it's about four lanes wide effectively nobody's parked 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.920 on it so people are just flying right so as we're fixing things we're sort of 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:45.400 creating new problems so I would like to see us maybe at some point in the future 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:49.280 kind of look at not creating new problems right yeah starts with planning 00:24:49.280 --> 00:24:53.800 right exactly and I know that's going to be a long ways away before before we can 00:24:53.800 --> 00:25:00.040 get to that and then the other question I had is I am curious if either in the 00:25:00.040 --> 00:25:05.160 next presentation or maybe a future one if we could almost combine sort of maybe 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:11.640 economic development to sort of look at the question of how does traffic speed 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:16.840 or traffic safety how did different types of roadways impact basically the 00:25:16.840 --> 00:25:22.400 success of a business because if you think about downtown Fry Street if I go 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.000 to another community and I and I'm in the cool area of town that was there's a 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.840 lot of people walking around there's a theme where typically the traffic is a 00:25:29.840 --> 00:25:33.800 little slower and it's friendlier for pedestrians I'd be interested to kind of 00:25:33.800 --> 00:25:38.960 hear the economic side of safe streets right specifically from the economic 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:44.840 development business friendly kind of region so I guess that those are two 00:25:44.840 --> 00:26:03.200 requests I have a question I guess to start off with did I lived over on 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:10.720 Cordell previously so near the new Newton razor near Avenue Foreman set the 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:16.780 right middle school Calhoun thank you over over by the new Calhoun and so as 00:26:16.780 --> 00:26:21.080 those schools were going in y'all dropped four-way stops in quite a few 00:26:21.080 --> 00:26:29.120 new areas there was the new like very short bike lane on Cordell slash Crescent 00:26:29.120 --> 00:26:33.320 approaching the school and as far as I'm aware those were just kind of dropped I 00:26:33.320 --> 00:26:35.960 was on mobility committee at the time and I did not hear about those in 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:42.000 advance I lived in the neighborhood and I didn't get any like information so 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.920 have people complained about those has there been any negative response to 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.640 those at all 00:26:48.640 --> 00:27:02.960 Chandra transportation services no complaints we got so far it's all been 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:09.380 positive okay all right great so I guess my comment would be that we have a bike 00:27:09.380 --> 00:27:13.280 ped plan right now right in the mobility plan I'm looking at a map of all of 00:27:13.280 --> 00:27:17.040 these places that we've identified as good corridors for placing bike 00:27:17.040 --> 00:27:20.240 infrastructure which I think is traffic calming to a large extent right you're 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.640 narrowing the lanes you're adding complexity you're doing all of these 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:28.400 these traffic calming things and you know I've lived in a neighborhood where 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.920 there was just some traffic safety traffic calming stuff implemented 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:35.760 suddenly it doesn't sound like there were any complaints I trust you guys I 00:27:35.760 --> 00:27:42.800 trust your expertise I trust you your ability to work together as a team like 00:27:42.800 --> 00:27:47.640 I don't I guess as a mobility committee member I don't want to be sitting here 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:51.280 and going okay well here's my thoughts on what you guys should do here's like 00:27:51.280 --> 00:27:55.920 this project that I want to discuss on this committee I'd rather you just put 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.600 put stuff in like so like go you know get out there start doing stuff because 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:04.640 it seems like we have the ability to do identify projects that need done do them 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.840 and there's you know no negative community response positive community 00:28:08.840 --> 00:28:11.480 response obviously some projects will be larger and I think need that level of 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.280 involvement but I trust you guys to go out there and just start doing small 00:28:15.280 --> 00:28:22.480 stuff you know and I would like it if that that could happen I don't I don't 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:28.760 need input I guess is what I'm saying you know well from a just a broader 00:28:28.760 --> 00:28:33.440 city's perspective some of those projects do require funding as you know 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.200 so I know Brian's laughing at me because it's always gonna come back to the 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:44.520 budget but but when I mean and I will speak for I mean we have three projects 00:28:44.520 --> 00:28:48.560 in the queue right now where they're they're implementing some recommendations 00:28:48.560 --> 00:28:51.960 based on some traffic studies that they did so they are doing that I think our 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:56.160 staff are doing that some of the larger projects that require more funding 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.400 that's when it's gonna come to you it's gonna go through the budget process go 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:03.040 through the CIP planning process to make sure that we have the adequate funding 00:29:03.040 --> 00:29:09.600 to implement the recommendations yeah if just start throwing paint down on the 00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:21.720 road that's my suggestion I don't know that I can comment okay okay well then 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:28.040 I'll jump in with some of my my questions and comments the one of the 00:29:28.040 --> 00:29:30.640 thing it kind of falls on from some of the other comments that you've heard I 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:38.560 think there there is a lack of awareness that I think we can solve and I I don't 00:29:38.560 --> 00:29:41.720 know how much effort we will take but I think I think we could solve it in terms 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:47.120 of education outreach and training it's a common mantra of mine that that you 00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:51.880 know when people are aware of the benefits they they tend to be accepting of 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:57.500 you know change versus change sprung on them it's kind of the flip of what she 00:29:57.500 --> 00:30:03.400 was saying you know there's there's been no real issues on for the the 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.320 recommendations that that y'all just did so I support that just go out there and 00:30:07.320 --> 00:30:11.040 be proactive to the extent that the budget will allow or that we can 00:30:11.040 --> 00:30:16.320 pre-program the budget to allow for that flexibility where I was going is I was 00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:21.840 going to also encourage that education outreach and training component to get 00:30:21.840 --> 00:30:28.560 over this idea that oh well that when I have a dense street in terms of 00:30:28.560 --> 00:30:33.480 interactions that that's on purpose you're planning them on purpose and it 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:41.640 takes me to Commissioner rumors question about do we need to revise our standards 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:46.080 for planning for existing roads that's gonna be challenging we're gonna have to 00:30:46.080 --> 00:30:51.800 paint those or put bump outs or some other physical infrastructure piece to 00:30:51.800 --> 00:30:57.680 create that congestion on purpose concept some of that can be painting but 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:01.740 I it makes me question as we roll out for the development if we don't need to 00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:08.180 revise our standards for arterials and and other collectors and whatnot to get 00:31:08.180 --> 00:31:17.660 this effect and I was wondering if you could comment on that briefly sure good 00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:23.800 morning for Han but deputy director transportation services division I I 00:31:23.800 --> 00:31:29.600 asked requested Greg to for me to comment on this because you know we have 00:31:29.600 --> 00:31:36.560 already drafted the process for this and for the standards update for first round 00:31:36.560 --> 00:31:40.840 we are making some significant updates which were critical and but there are 00:31:40.840 --> 00:31:45.680 not many which will be presented probably in next one or two months for 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:50.800 the transportation criteria manual but the in-depth review for the standard 00:31:50.800 --> 00:31:56.780 updates would be following and then we will start the process in that we'll 00:31:56.780 --> 00:32:02.040 have to include other departments for instance fire and police department to 00:32:02.040 --> 00:32:07.640 get their considerations as well and we we are on it but you know if if you ask 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.760 for the timeline I think we can circle back on that and can provide more 00:32:12.760 --> 00:32:17.280 information and as part of that that sounds great I'm really interested in you 00:32:17.280 --> 00:32:23.960 know not not necessarily pushing but just encouraging the but as part of that 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:29.840 I'd love to see it's either as part of this this future presentation or as part 00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:35.340 of that presentation you're just mentioning solutions that we envision to 00:32:35.340 --> 00:32:38.920 what miss Penn and Commissioner rumor brought forward which is some of these 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.280 strode's that we have in town you know they're a known issue because their 00:32:43.280 --> 00:32:49.920 strode's so how how do we adjust that to and you know I know that's gonna be part 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:54.040 of vision zero gonna be part of planning gonna be part of mobility so I know it's 00:32:54.040 --> 00:32:57.800 a it's a combined thing but I'd be interested in having multiple committees 00:32:57.800 --> 00:33:04.480 touch that to make sure that every or is rowing in the same direction sure we 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:09.720 will do that and as part of your recommendation we will we will include 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:15.800 economic development as a factor in prioritization of those projects that 00:33:15.800 --> 00:33:18.880 address the question now I really appreciate you addressing your comments 00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:23.120 because I was gonna bring up economic development as well that that we I don't 00:33:23.120 --> 00:33:29.920 think we can do these in in a vacuum sure so other other questions from the 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:44.080 board all right well with that we will move on to item to see MC 25 0 0 8 the 00:33:44.080 --> 00:33:52.240 staff memorandum and I will note and I appreciate staff helping me out I had 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:58.640 issues with both the online and the the I legislate getting the memorandum so 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:04.240 appreciate them getting those documents I hope has everybody else had a chance 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:09.880 to review those good excellent good morning Trevor crane director of capital 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:14.920 projects so we did provide some answers to your questions and our staff memo 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.520 which is up on the screen and was provided to y'all if you have any further 00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:23.240 questions we have staff here that can give you any further information that's 00:34:23.240 --> 00:34:32.040 necessary questions for staff go ahead comment on the my question from last 00:34:32.040 --> 00:34:36.920 time 56% reduction in absolute crashes I think that's incredible that shows how 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.960 important protected bike lanes are because you know more people use 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.800 protected bike lanes so you're getting I don't know maybe a doubling or a 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.840 tripling depending on where the infrastructure is how high in demand it 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.960 is and then you're still seeing a reduction in the total number of 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:55.400 crashes which is just incredible so love that thank you for sharing that 00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:06.640 information other other comments or concerns go ahead on the mobility plan 00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:12.280 amendment it's I see that the first input meeting and I guess for anybody 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:18.460 that watches is after the fact there's possible changes on safety and 00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:22.040 classification of Eagle Drive between North Texas Boulevard and South Carol and 00:35:22.040 --> 00:35:26.440 Welch Street so basically some streets around UNT so I see that the first 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:31.440 meeting is on the UNT campus March 25th at 2 30 p.m. so I'm assuming that that 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:37.040 sort of targeting the UNT community specifically at that 230 meeting is what 00:35:37.040 --> 00:35:45.160 I'm understanding sure hold on one second yeah that's right we have three 00:35:45.160 --> 00:35:53.840 neighborhood meetings one is in person and two are virtual oh I see two up 00:35:53.840 --> 00:36:01.360 there so you said there's more than two yeah I think one yeah though one listed 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:07.040 that 230 is the in person and the other two are which will there is another one 00:36:07.040 --> 00:36:10.320 I can find the date out sure yeah if we can get those additional dates I'd 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:21.080 appreciate it anything okay I will I will say I really appreciate the I've 00:36:21.080 --> 00:36:27.120 got really great feedback from this the community on the information that y'all 00:36:27.120 --> 00:36:32.480 provided last time and now formally this time on pedestrian call buttons that 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:37.280 that seemed to bring a lot of peace of mind from the community they appreciate 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:46.840 that then I think well and and and I will I will say I appreciate us bringing 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:52.320 forward the the Austin Street stuff considering that the timelines it sort 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:58.360 of you know that that ship had sailed so but I still appreciate stuff digging 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:06.680 into that and to and moving forward so any other questions or concerns on the 00:37:06.680 --> 00:37:14.320 memorandum no all right so moving on to any of the you're gonna do the 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:22.200 construction report or whatever you can do that one sure sure so we provide 00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:26.600 the construction report here in a staff memo we can go through it if you'd like 00:37:26.600 --> 00:37:30.560 but if you have any further questions I think that's probably easier if you have 00:37:30.560 --> 00:37:33.560 any questions about any of the construction projects we provide updates 00:37:33.560 --> 00:37:37.680 on I've got Seth Garcia my deputy director he didn't go through any of 00:37:37.680 --> 00:37:45.000 those at a neighborhood meeting last night everybody was interested about the 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:52.720 Hickory Creek project and that and that's almost a no no there is simply no 00:37:52.720 --> 00:37:57.880 news is that is that correct well there is some news so Hickory Creek phase 3 we 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:03.000 were waiting on the UPR agreement which was finally agreed to with the railroad 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:07.480 and it went to council in January I believe December or January we are 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:11.200 working with the contractor now to get them back to work I anticipate having 00:38:11.200 --> 00:38:15.460 them back to work in next month so the goal is to have them mobilized and 00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:20.080 starting to work again once we get them back to work I believe we're looking at 00:38:20.080 --> 00:38:27.160 a 16 to 18 month timeline to get that project to completion okay thank you yes 00:38:27.160 --> 00:38:38.860 sir so the I will I will bring up as no you're good so 16 to 18 months after 00:38:38.860 --> 00:38:46.200 March when would Ryan Road begin so we would start construction so we're 00:38:46.200 --> 00:38:49.200 currently working on Ryan Road right now to bring it up to a hundred percent 00:38:49.200 --> 00:38:54.040 design working through the ultimate right-of-way acquisitions so the goal 00:38:54.040 --> 00:38:57.920 would be as soon as Hickory Creek 3 is substantially complete so 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.400 substantially complete means we can start putting traffic on it we would 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:07.120 start construction of Ryan Road so you're probably if let's assume we're 00:39:07.120 --> 00:39:10.880 we're looking at 18 months substantial completion for Hickory Creek we would 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:16.600 start that bidding process probably 16 months from now so that we're ready to 00:39:16.600 --> 00:39:21.040 start construction on Ryan Road as soon as Hickory Creek opens up I can't do the 00:39:21.040 --> 00:39:36.080 math so probably q4 2026 yeah well no I would probably say q3 of 2026 okay now 00:39:36.080 --> 00:39:40.280 you're making me do math yeah yeah and I'm sorry because it's not even tens so 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:45.280 and I beg your pardon thank you mr. no one told me there'd be math involved 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:51.520 commissioner what is six times nine so kind of building off the Ryan Road so we 00:39:51.520 --> 00:39:56.280 don't have all the right-of-way yet no we're right well we're so we have the 00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:00.920 right-of-way to build the cross-section we're looking at now we want to go ahead 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.760 and acquire the ultimate right-of-way for the section that shows on the 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:08.600 mobility plan you know lands not gonna get any cheaper so we want to go ahead 00:40:08.600 --> 00:40:13.160 and acquire that now we'll build a a smaller cross-section than what shows on 00:40:13.160 --> 00:40:16.960 the mobility plan but we'll have all the right-of-way acquired so in the future 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:21.120 when the traffic warrants it we'll be able to just come back and build the 00:40:21.120 --> 00:40:26.040 additional sections do we foresee any challenge because I know one of the 00:40:26.040 --> 00:40:30.680 biggest delays of a road expansion project is right-of-way acquisition does 00:40:30.680 --> 00:40:34.280 it look like everything is going well with that or do we anticipate any delays 00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:39.380 or well so the good thing is we're requiring that now and we don't think 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:42.160 we're gonna be able to or we don't want to start that construction for another 00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:45.960 16 18 months that gives us a pretty big window to start working through that 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.200 right-of-way acquisition process if we have to go to eminent domain on some of 00:40:50.200 --> 00:40:55.160 those some of those parcels it gives us some time to do that so as of right now 00:40:55.160 --> 00:41:02.360 no I don't see anything but I don't want I'm not gonna promise thank you all 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:09.600 right so the couple of questions I had that they're not really in these bunny 00:41:09.600 --> 00:41:13.960 braids but they're part of the bunny brain and it's probably more appropriate 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.960 for the matrix so I'll just touch it in here and bring it back up the matrix 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:23.000 time and that is something that I brought up in council is making clear the 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:28.880 mobility changes due to South Bonnie Bray as related to the UPR our agreement 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:33.600 and and the routings that we're gonna take through and I can't think of the 00:41:33.600 --> 00:41:38.480 name of the neighborhood that's west of the the new one that's coming in down 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:44.880 there anyway that neighborhood and then as well as you know some further ones 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.320 all down to the south so I'll bring that up again just as a reminder later in the 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:58.720 appropriate item and then it might be similar but maybe some projections on 00:41:58.720 --> 00:42:04.040 the the Windsor changes it do they relate to the West Gate changes they 00:42:04.040 --> 00:42:09.120 occurring at the same time or that that's further down the realignments of 00:42:09.120 --> 00:42:14.440 Windsor all the way over by 35 so in reference to mobility mobility plan 00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.840 chains I think the only thing that would happen out there is we would propose 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:23.440 changing the name of West Gate Bronco Way well not West Gate yeah West Gate and 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.200 Ronnie Road to make it Bronco Way the entire way that'll be something we work 00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:33.880 on during a construction process but those projects so Bonnie Bray phase six 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.240 is the Ronnie Road portion right in front of the elementary school that's 00:42:37.240 --> 00:42:41.680 under construction now they started mobilizing this month West Gate we 00:42:41.680 --> 00:42:46.760 split that into two separate projects so originally West Gate was the east west 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.320 section and the north southwest section we split that into two projects we're 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:56.000 still acquiring right away on the north south section east west is ready to go 00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:00.040 so we want to start that construction on that one to try to give us that east 00:43:00.040 --> 00:43:04.880 west corridor as quickly as possible so that'll be going out to bid within the 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:10.680 next couple months and then the Ronnie Road east project is also going to start 00:43:10.680 --> 00:43:16.880 probably q3 of this year and that'll give us that full east west mobility 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:23.880 through that section okay all right well and yeah so that sounds good for now and 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:29.040 I'll look for those at the updated matrix other other questions on these 00:43:29.040 --> 00:43:39.080 items all right so then we're on to what's the next one the anything for the 00:43:39.080 --> 00:43:48.320 trip reporting any comments or concerns no all right yes ma'am 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:52.000 thank you all for including this and giving regular updates on the trip 00:43:52.000 --> 00:44:05.040 projects absolutely all right with that we will move on to item D MC 25009 00:44:05.040 --> 00:44:09.280 receiver porthole discussion and give to staff direction about future meeting 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:15.480 topics the matrix sure so I don't I'm not gonna read through all this stuff we 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.880 have a lot on here that we still owe you updates on and on future meetings I 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.800 would ask at this point if there's anything that we want to add to the to 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:30.520 the matrix for us to prepare for future meetings hopefully this one's not 00:44:30.520 --> 00:44:36.240 horribly hard but can we get a more detailed view of how the existing 10 00:44:36.240 --> 00:44:41.440 foot side path so there's the 288 380 connector textile project and there's 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:45.520 that ramp that's gonna come off of 380 and connect to loop 288 right now on the 00:44:45.520 --> 00:44:50.000 north side of 380 there's a 10 foot side path that connects May Hill to the green 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:55.640 belt and I'm I've tried to poke at it and I'm still not clear on how that will 00:44:55.640 --> 00:44:59.600 be impacted all I know is yes there will be a facility but I'm kind of looking at 00:44:59.600 --> 00:45:04.420 will that will it create a detour or additional travel distance and if so how 00:45:04.420 --> 00:45:08.620 much for the folks using the side path so if we can get and it doesn't have to 00:45:08.620 --> 00:45:12.880 be super detailed just a line or or you can describe how much additional 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.920 distance we're looking at if somebody's going from May Hill to the green belt 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.720 let's say sure so I think we can work with text on as they kind of develop 00:45:20.720 --> 00:45:23.760 those plans to make sure we're providing what that connects that 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:28.280 connectivity is gonna look like for our pedestrian facilities and then I have 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:33.860 one other I think I tried to ask for this last time so around town I'm kind 00:45:33.860 --> 00:45:37.440 of noticing sidewalks that are blocked for construction right and you know 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:41.640 that's torn up like we need to put something under the sidewalk but in some 00:45:41.640 --> 00:45:48.560 cases I'm not seeing either a suggested detour or a provision provided for 00:45:48.560 --> 00:45:53.840 pedestrian or bicycle traffic to get around the construction zone and I think 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:59.000 there's standards for that and so I'm still trying to understand you know what 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:04.040 are the requirements for if there's an existing sidewalk or an existing bike 00:46:04.040 --> 00:46:09.160 lane what are the standards for either work you know working that traffic around 00:46:09.160 --> 00:46:14.040 the zone or creating a detour or communicating that kind of thing because 00:46:14.040 --> 00:46:20.320 you know like on locust right now kind of close to Oakland Street or close to 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:24.080 the Denton ISD building will say you know both sidewalks are blocked and I 00:46:24.080 --> 00:46:28.720 haven't yet seen like a detour suggestion or any provision for somebody 00:46:28.720 --> 00:46:32.360 to work around that so an able-bodied person might walk in the street 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.600 somebody in a wheelchair with mobility challenges they may just get trapped and 00:46:36.600 --> 00:46:40.240 not know how to proceed so these are the kind of issues that I'm trying to 00:46:40.240 --> 00:46:43.660 understand like is there is there a systemic thing that we need to be 00:46:43.660 --> 00:46:46.920 looking at so that we're not just reporting these one-off kind of things 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.560 all the time does that make sense do you need any clarity on what I'm asking 00:46:50.560 --> 00:46:59.520 Cassie or no I think I understand so you're you're wanting to know what the 00:46:59.520 --> 00:47:05.040 requirements are for when sidewalks are closed especially for detour routes 00:47:05.040 --> 00:47:12.800 specifically for you know people with mobility challenges and you gave the 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.040 specific example of Oakland Street since both sidewalks on both sides of 00:47:16.040 --> 00:47:20.160 the streets are blocked perfect yeah and also if there's a continuous bike lane 00:47:20.160 --> 00:47:25.160 so an example there is Hickory Street at Welch so Welch is under construction and 00:47:25.160 --> 00:47:29.520 some of that construction is you know in into the bike lane and interrupting it 00:47:29.520 --> 00:47:34.160 and it's just sort of bike lane ends but it doesn't tell the bike traffic what to 00:47:34.160 --> 00:47:38.160 do and so with like a novice user or like biker which is largely what we have 00:47:38.160 --> 00:47:42.400 over there yeah right so it's just sort of an unexpected thing and then you have 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.760 unexpected merging between bike traffic and car traffic which isn't great 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.600 especially when you have a more inexperienced rider and so you know what 00:47:49.600 --> 00:47:54.080 what kinds of accommodations do the standards say if there's an existing you 00:47:54.080 --> 00:48:00.160 know bike lane or sidewalk so both is what I'm looking at okay thanks 00:48:00.160 --> 00:48:06.480 mr. Bray a couple things I'll touch on when we have the March meeting on 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:14.200 traffic calming I'm really interested in so this is more part of that item maybe 00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:19.440 than a separate item you know letting us know you know innovative and but 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:24.320 fiscally responsible cheap uses of painting striping and lane dividers I 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.600 know that just back channel communication we've had a lot of 00:48:27.600 --> 00:48:32.240 conversation about various technologies for lane dividers and how what the city 00:48:32.240 --> 00:48:35.920 anticipates which ones they're using and which ones are best practice that sort 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:41.640 of thing Commissioner Rumer and I were at a bike convention not too long ago 00:48:41.640 --> 00:48:46.920 where you know there was there's a number of options conveyed and we were 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:53.480 it was interesting again I'll touch since this is the appropriate item I'd love to 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:59.880 have make sure that we have just a clear forward-thinking plan about what we're 00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:05.960 doing when we shut down Bonnie Bray for the you know give two to get one 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:10.320 transition down there in South Bonnie Bray in terms of how we're routing and 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:15.000 what the the anticipated changes the mobility plan particularly to that one 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.800 house and and I think it's a junkyard or something down there what how are they 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:25.920 gonna get there because they're gonna get landlocked and I think we just it 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.600 reminds me of the situation out East where where the the bypass was gonna come 00:49:29.600 --> 00:49:33.760 through and potentially landlock a business right where they wanted to 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:38.120 divert the bridge so I just want to make sure that we're gonna land lock 00:49:38.120 --> 00:49:41.920 something we do it intentionally and and know how we're gonna respond to that I 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:51.240 assume we will then again this this is probably in one of those other items and 00:49:51.240 --> 00:49:57.000 I touched on it earlier you know how are we managing strode's because we we've 00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.920 had a bunch of accidents along University it's one of our our common 00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:09.200 accident strode producing roads and so what our standards there I don't know I 00:50:09.200 --> 00:50:15.280 know that staff has has come up with a report on k-wood at Greenwood about that 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.880 old circle that's no longer circle and what their intents are to do with it I'm 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:26.280 happy to talk with staff after the fact I'm not sure that may that may be a 00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:30.840 mobility item because we have other I think we have other locations in town 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:37.640 that would benefit from that discussion of when when how we treat old circles 00:50:37.640 --> 00:50:42.520 and when we put in new circles so I may have to get back with staff on whether 00:50:42.520 --> 00:50:47.520 I'm I think I'll hold off on asking for an action item for now but I anticipate 00:50:47.520 --> 00:50:51.880 asking for a matrix item which is why I'm bringing it up here and and a 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:56.440 perfect example of this is as the apartment complex at mingo and Old North 00:50:56.440 --> 00:51:03.840 south of University Old North goes like a hundred yards before it hits mingo 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:09.800 that intersection that's just a curve as the apartment complex has come in as 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.900 other traffic has come in we've seen more and more and more traffic not know what 00:51:13.900 --> 00:51:18.280 to do there they don't know whether to go down fish fish trap mingo they don't 00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.840 know whether to go up Old North they don't know what to do there because it 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:27.760 it's confusing so I want to put that on staffs radar that that location is a is 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:35.400 a prime location for future eyeballs to look at that because clearly the the 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.840 people that live there and the new folks don't know how to treat that anymore 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.960 there's just a lot of confusion I've seen anecdotally popping up and I 00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:49.560 literally drive that every time y'all make me come down here to city hall so 00:51:49.560 --> 00:51:54.840 so that that I'm again I'm not sure if that's a matrix item or not I'll leave 00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:59.360 that up to staff whether they want to address that offline or as a matrix item 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:08.360 I'm comfortable either way for those and I know we're not having discussion on 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.240 matrix items we're just saying matrix items so any anything else in the matrix 00:52:13.240 --> 00:52:22.440 okay so with that we will move on we did that we did D we'll move on to any 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:32.800 concluding items item 3 any concluding items oh oh do we want it yes I'm sorry 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:38.160 we'll go back to item 2d I'll reopen that item and we'll have a vote on 00:52:38.160 --> 00:52:43.000 removal any problems with the ones that staff indicated they wanted to remove 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:48.560 so it'll be item 3 which is the collision collision reduction statistics 00:52:48.560 --> 00:52:54.000 item 4 which is the concerns for bicyclists that pedestrian safety on 00:52:54.000 --> 00:53:01.000 Austin item 10 which is the maintenance frequency of PCBs and item 17 dispenser 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:06.440 road behind Walmart right turn yes ma'am I'll move to recommend removal of the 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:13.840 recommended items is this a voter direction it's a vote okay I move I so 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.400 move okay we have first from Commissioner rumors second from 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:22.040 Commissioner Bray all in favor commission the chairs and I so that's 00:53:22.040 --> 00:53:29.360 4-0 to remove those items thank you thank you Cassie for reminding us to do 00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:35.960 that now we will move on to item 3 any concluding items any comments anything we 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:43.280 need to bring to staffs attention outside the matrix yes ma'am it's a good 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:48.120 week to bike today or this this week is excellent for biking very warm if you're 00:53:48.120 --> 00:53:52.280 somebody who bikes occasionally and it stopped for the winter it's a good time 00:53:52.280 --> 00:54:01.720 to get back into it I could use some vitamin D when are we back in March 00:54:06.520 --> 00:54:20.120 March 26 there we go the I will remind staff that and I don't it's probably not 00:54:20.120 --> 00:54:24.960 relevant for the Mobility Committee but the majority of council like the vast 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.960 majority of council is in National League of Cities the night through the 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:33.680 13th so don't don't ask council for any decisions in that week because we're not 00:54:33.680 --> 00:54:40.680 here so and I don't know if any of the commissioners are doing anything so just 00:54:40.680 --> 00:54:44.320 just be it I think that's spring break for you and T as well so just just be 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:49.560 aware that that's a potentially awkward week for any decisions from this body 00:54:49.560 --> 00:54:55.600 or from council all right with that anything else before I close out the 00:54:55.600 --> 00:55:03.720 meeting no all right so at 1057 we will close the meeting you know