1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,560 26th mobility committee meeting let the record show that I as vice-chair am 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:14,340 running the meeting chair a bird is unavailable today with that I see that 3 00:00:14,340 --> 00:00:19,080 there is a quorum present so we'll go ahead and convene the meeting starting 4 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:28,880 at 1002 with that we will start off with this item number one citizens comments 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,880 on agenda items and we do have one comment from miss Lauren Penn so if you 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,680 could come to the podium give your name and then would love to hear your 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:46,600 comments going to lower this just a little bit here okay my name is Lauren 8 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:53,200 Penn I live on Georgetown Drive here in Denton I've lived in Denton for about 20 9 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:59,060 years I've lived on Georgetown Drive for 11 and thank you so much for having 10 00:00:59,060 --> 00:01:06,000 this meeting today I I just wanted to say a couple things as a resident and as 11 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,920 someone who is really passionate about safety for our residents and especially 12 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,400 for our most vulnerable residents which would be people like my kids I have 13 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:23,240 three daughters who are aged 11 9 and one and a half and they frequently ride 14 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,520 bikes around the neighborhood they walk to the park we also try to walk and bike 15 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:33,200 to school and over the past few years I've noticed that that has just become 16 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,600 a little bit more stressful and more dangerous to do so I recently was made 17 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,680 aware of a really bad car accident that happened at the intersection of 18 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:49,800 University Drive and Malone which is where my children crossed 380 to go to 19 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:55,000 school this car actually overturned this was a couple days before Christmas it 20 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:02,320 landed directly in the crosswalk where children walk to go to school and my 21 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,880 heart just broke when I saw that because I thought God forbid that happened on a 22 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,960 school morning when kids are trying to get to school we have in the past have 23 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,560 had crossing guards there we have not seen crossing guards there this year we 24 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,080 have children as young as five walking to school from my neighborhood over to 25 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Newton razor elementary we have children as young as ten walking to and from 26 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Calhoun Middle School which is now over in that direction my daughter Ivy has 27 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:37,320 actually walked home by herself and by 345 there's there's no one there to usher 28 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,080 kids across the highway so that was a that was definitely a wake-up call for 29 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:47,120 me among other things but one of the things I as I've started diving into 30 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,800 this and become really aware and really passionate about mobility about safe 31 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,400 streets is when I've discovered the mobility plan that that our city has I 32 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:03,800 was so encouraged I was so touched to know that our city is is working towards 33 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,760 creating a really safe and I believe equitable way for our residents to get 34 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:15,040 around I think about the many neighbors that I have that walk to work that don't 35 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,360 have cars right now our neighborhood has no sidewalks we have one sidewalk along 36 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Malone that that just ends we have streets that are graded in such a way 37 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,840 that it's difficult to walk on them and everyone is forced to walk on the 38 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:39,200 street I have a lot of elderly neighbors who try to get out and exercise they 39 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:45,000 have walkers they have canes many of them are essentially trapped in their 40 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,840 homes because how uneven the streets are we have residents that have had to dodge 41 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,680 vehicles flying over 30 miles an hour down my street and miss pin wrap up your 42 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,440 that's your time but so wrap up your final comment sure so I would like the 43 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:05,640 mobility committee to continue your work and essentially I would ask that you 44 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,600 would prioritize the parts of our town that don't have sidewalks because as of 45 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,320 now this is not only a safety issue it's for our children for our elderly it's 46 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,640 also a health issue because people can't get out and exercise and walk safely and 47 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,960 we we simply just ask that you would continue to have if there is any way to 48 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:33,360 know a timeline so that our neighbors will know at what point can we expect a 49 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,920 means to get safely around our neighborhood I appreciate you miss pin 50 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:43,520 staff real quick regarding her parents on the agenda are we allowed to direct 51 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,160 questions at her or not 52 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:56,600 at that time if it's something that's not on the agenda today you can ask for 53 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,720 it to be brought back on the matrix then then what I do that I know we're safe in 54 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,520 is I will ask staff to get with you staff has a number of resources that 55 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,240 they can convey about timelines safe routes the school and some other issues 56 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,560 these are these are statements of fact and so what why not is if you can stay 57 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,440 after the meeting or I'll have staff get a hold of you and get feedback to you 58 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,960 yes and I just want to I also want to say I have had a meeting with dr. Butt 59 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,760 and with Chandra and and that was incredibly encouraging they they took the 60 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,480 time of when I raised some of these issues they took the time to meet with 61 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:40,120 me for several hours and and listened and had a lot of great feedback and so I 62 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,240 just really appreciate your efforts to to listen and to to connect with with me 63 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:58,240 and my neighborhood so can we get an update I know we have a sidewalk work 64 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,520 plan that we've used to prioritize where sidewalks go in next can we get an 65 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,600 update sort of on and I know that that was like I think a five-year work plan 66 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,760 so if we can get an update on kind of where we are on the sidewalk work plan 67 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,200 and if we have future years planned out yet I think that would be helpful for you as 68 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:21,280 well yeah anything else from other board members no all right thank you miss pen 69 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:34,680 thank you very much all right and so with that we will move on to item 2 to a 70 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:41,680 MC 2 5 0 0 6 consider approval of the minutes from January 29th the the vice 71 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:50,800 chair will take a motion I so move first from counselor Holland second from from 72 00:06:50,800 --> 00:07:04,480 commissioner all in favor say aye all opposed the chairs and I so that 73 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:14,440 passes what four of us for zero all right with that we will move on to item B MC 2 74 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,080 5 0 0 7 receive report hold discussion regarding speed management and traffic 75 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,160 calming how it works the evidence of its effectiveness and advantages over 76 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:31,080 conventional street design with that I will pass it over to staff thank you good 77 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:39,840 morning Greg Scott city of Denton transportation services division bike 78 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:50,080 ped and ADA coordinator and I'm coming to you today also as a certified and and 79 00:07:50,080 --> 00:08:00,800 seasoned roadway safety professional in fact my certificate number 79 and there's 80 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:09,080 now thousands of people with that certification and and that's relevant to 81 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:17,840 our conversation today because there's three messages that roadway safety 82 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:25,080 professionals bring okay first is that everything we do in and around our 83 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:35,680 roadways communicate to drivers and all users the appropriate behavior for good 84 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:42,160 or for bad actually the or behavior not just appropriate behavior but it also 85 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:51,120 communicates inappropriate behavior at times the speed and comfort which we've 86 00:08:51,120 --> 00:09:03,800 been striving for for over a century are inherently dangerous for humans that 87 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:13,760 calming is the and we've spent our time the conventional approach has been to 88 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:22,280 continue to press that speed and comfort button and our safety approach has been 89 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:32,800 to yell get out of the way to other users calming as I'm going to use it 90 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:38,680 here which is inclusive of traffic calming speed management the type of 91 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:45,920 traffic calming that you may think of as treatments to repair a road that is too 92 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:54,120 long or too wide or communicates the wrong messages but and also calming 93 00:09:54,120 --> 00:10:01,720 includes original designs that engage the driver lower speeds and such so I'm 94 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:10,800 just going to call all that calming so calming is the opposite of the 95 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,460 conventional approach which makes it difficult because there's so much 96 00:10:15,460 --> 00:10:20,800 momentum behind the conventional approach and we can't sleep our way sleep 97 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:28,880 walk our way through this we have to be it requires changes to policy procedures 98 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:36,080 and organizational change which is always difficult and if we are going to 99 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:47,360 embrace this we'll have to be leaders as a city as transportation for America 100 00:10:47,360 --> 00:11:01,120 says you can't prioritize both speed and safety and that is very true so as said 101 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,940 here traffic calming I'm not going to be reading a lot from the slides so I'll 102 00:11:05,940 --> 00:11:13,160 ask you to take a look at them traffic calming uses design to communicate 103 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:21,760 proper behavior we've taken a first step as a City Council as a city to say our 104 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:30,280 highest priority is human life over all road decisions and that we're going to 105 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:38,760 use physical road features to improve safety and this last strategy you'll see 106 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:46,440 how this plays into what you'll be seeing in the future is these projects 107 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:57,040 that we're planning to design low-stress bike-ped facilities so if you take a 108 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:03,660 look at this see how it makes you feel on one side you have the conventional 109 00:12:03,660 --> 00:12:09,480 approach there although probably not intentional at the time there were some 110 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:15,200 intentionality to it something that feels more like traffic calming and 111 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:21,960 you'll note that they're not one-off projects this isn't like throwing a 112 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:32,120 speed hump out there and say we got this right it is a feel it works best as a 113 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:47,720 package it's multiple things it starts in the planning process so comparing 114 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:57,840 trap calming to the conventional approach again is calming puts actually 115 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:08,120 things in the right-of-way it puts it what it puts low consequent risk in the 116 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:14,600 right-of-way to reflect the inherent risks that actually are there and have 117 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,360 always been there that we've tried to get rid of over time but we cannot it's 118 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,320 just impossible to get rid of those risks okay so it puts risk in some risk 119 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:30,680 you might you know you might bump your tire on the curb but that's better than 120 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:41,160 hitting a child okay so and in that way engages the driver and so if you look 121 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:49,120 first on this left side is it right yeah left side but these are fairly minor 122 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:55,200 things there's just it's still a package but they're minor you may recall when we 123 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:01,960 talked about speed pillows the speed pillows though the rise I told you about 124 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:13,840 a implementation of speed pillows in Portland where and a speed pillow maybe 125 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:20,960 rises four inches over seven feet to go up and then has a plateau about three 126 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:27,400 feet and then four inches down and then besides that it has grooves channels for 127 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:33,200 a fire department to go to go through so they don't have to go up and over and 128 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:40,640 you would think how does that change okay but what it does is it lowers the 129 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:46,760 top speeds so all the speeds if you look at it on the graph like that it 130 00:14:46,760 --> 00:15:00,680 compresses by moving the the the higher speeds in that makes sense so I'm gonna 131 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:09,160 shift gears for this next side which is that it's so beneficial to have to lower 132 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:15,960 that speed just a little bit to compress that range of speeds because there's an 133 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:23,340 exponential correlation between a lot of the risk we experience as as community 134 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:31,320 as road users and the severity as well so if you think about this is one 135 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,640 example you have thinking time you have stopping time this one's a little 136 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:43,280 obvious that the curve by increasing your speed by just over two times you're 137 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:48,480 increasing your stopping distance by you know four and a half times right so it's 138 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:59,880 it's pretty exponential here's another example so they've put computers that on 139 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:07,080 glasses to watch drivers eye movement and such and what they're seeing is that 140 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:12,360 as you increase your speed this is for everybody no matter who we are because 141 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,960 we're humans as we increase our speed our focus lengthens and our vision 142 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:26,280 narrows so what you get is kind of a blindness to the side when I worked in 143 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:35,960 Orlando we would measure before or after treatments for mid-block road crossings 144 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:43,880 and we were just not seeing them going down a high rate of people on these are 145 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,760 major streets high rate of people just blow by when there's a pedestrian there 146 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:55,320 we tried enforcement we put more signs the signs did help a little bit depending 147 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,880 on where they were not so much on the side as you can imagine more in the 148 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:07,040 center and you know the range of thought was you know this is kind of a cultural 149 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,200 thing right we're we're in Orlando we're in the south people don't care that much 150 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,320 or maybe there's a bunch of New Yorkers down here maybe they're just rude and 151 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,360 they don't care or maybe all these people from all over the world you know 152 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:27,680 they're not used to this right so that was kind of the thought but you know 153 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:34,160 coming being a Portlander everybody in Portland it's almost to a fault stops 154 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:44,320 okay but and I couldn't do it either and it was really due to this because if you 155 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,080 unless you intentionally look or whatever you'll blow I would blow by 156 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:55,800 people waiting to cross because the speeds were so high that that you just 157 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,680 couldn't see him right even though technically you could you thought you 158 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:10,040 could but you can't and then it's about severity I mean we all know that if 159 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:16,000 you've been bowling if you bowl real fast you see you know the impact of 160 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:25,000 kinetic energy on things we are things and it's exponential if you hit the pins 161 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:35,440 and sometimes so I'm not gonna dwell on that you've all seen this so what makes 162 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:45,160 traffic calming hard also is the trust that it takes because it is not how we 163 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:55,200 normally do things we're adding some risk minor risk to the roadway people 164 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:04,240 can be upset about that so you have to trust that it works and how we know is 165 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:14,160 we have studies are showing how changes to our roadway environment affect 166 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:20,920 positively or negatively quite different types of crashes and sometimes they're 167 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:28,640 very specific findings and sometimes they're broader and bless you you know 168 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:34,880 in like October I handed this out this is a list of what's called crash 169 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:41,920 modification factors that that shows how the connections between specific 170 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:47,520 trauma traffic calming and and different types of crashes these are all injury 171 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:55,520 crashes in this case so that's available to you also the federal government has a 172 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:03,320 plethora of guidance on this they really encourage it they you can go very deep 173 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:13,480 and see where to do it what to what where you need to take some care but 174 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,160 it's very encouraging what they have okay these are things that we can trust 175 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:26,920 these are things that help us if we feel that we might be legally exposed right 176 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:38,760 because these are guidance from the feds so what would be the alternative I guess 177 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:47,160 more education enforcement those are pretty expensive those are pretty 178 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:55,480 fleeting vehicle safety has been really helpful to us for people that are in the 179 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:04,000 car not so much people outside the car as I think you you've seen in one of the 180 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,680 one of the memos that you have show some graphs regarding that you've got 181 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:17,080 pedestrian fatalities going way up and there's a K shaped as they call it 182 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:23,920 right pedestrian fatalities going up well in in vehicle you know they're 183 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:31,640 going down because at least as a proportion because because we've done a 184 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:38,160 pretty good job of creating little cocoons for ourselves so again 185 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:47,120 conventional tries to eliminate risks sanitize the road we've got warrants for 186 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:52,960 crossings warrants for this and warrants for that right trying to prioritize that 187 00:21:52,960 --> 00:22:00,640 speed okay but it sends a message that there's not risks out here we don't see 188 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:06,880 many risks right it was when we do see the risk they're really random the speed 189 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:13,720 is safe peds are pedestrians are confined to crossings we're calming 190 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:23,880 communicates that risk by adding some really relatively minor risk without 191 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:33,520 concept not with minor consequences in order to communicate that and so in the 192 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:47,640 next I'm going to move on so in the next month we're going to talk about 193 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:56,440 implementable recommendations and what we can do about it kind of an action 194 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:02,280 plan that's what it what it comes down to but in the end it just requires 195 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:11,960 attention and distrust and leadership that's that's it sure mr. chair all 196 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:21,400 right questions for mr. Scott good thank you for this presentation Greg I'm 197 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,560 really excited to see that we're looking at the the more meaningful long-term 198 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,400 types of approaches for slowing speeds because I know people get frustrated 199 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,480 they complain about speeding in their neighborhood we you know can address it 200 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,800 for a little bit but then as soon as the humans enforcing it are gone then it 201 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,000 kind of returns after a while so I'm really glad to see that we're looking at 202 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,360 options that are more meaningful and long-lasting one question I have is as 203 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:49,120 we're looking at corridors to calm we are also building new roads that are 204 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:53,800 wide and inviting speeding so I'm specifically thinking of I think it's 205 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,360 Highland Park Road there's a new segment of it down in Dina and also the new 206 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:03,600 segment of parvin I think those are both collectors and there's not really any 207 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,240 reason to park along those and they're about a four-lane wide road I think the 208 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,480 thought is that people could park on it but it's kind of not in an area that 209 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,600 people are going to park so I'm kind of curious if and you don't have to answer 210 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:20,240 this now but as part of this if we at some point might also look at our 211 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,560 transportation criteria manual to see if at least we can look at the context of 212 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,480 let's say a collector to see do we need it to be this wide or are we just 213 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,240 inviting speeding I think Hercules up in the North Lakes area there's a new 214 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,440 segment same problem it's about four lanes wide effectively nobody's parked 215 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,920 on it so people are just flying right so as we're fixing things we're sort of 216 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,400 creating new problems so I would like to see us maybe at some point in the future 217 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,280 kind of look at not creating new problems right yeah starts with planning 218 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,800 right exactly and I know that's going to be a long ways away before before we can 219 00:24:53,800 --> 00:25:00,040 get to that and then the other question I had is I am curious if either in the 220 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,160 next presentation or maybe a future one if we could almost combine sort of maybe 221 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:11,640 economic development to sort of look at the question of how does traffic speed 222 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,840 or traffic safety how did different types of roadways impact basically the 223 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:22,400 success of a business because if you think about downtown Fry Street if I go 224 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,000 to another community and I and I'm in the cool area of town that was there's a 225 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,840 lot of people walking around there's a theme where typically the traffic is a 226 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,800 little slower and it's friendlier for pedestrians I'd be interested to kind of 227 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,960 hear the economic side of safe streets right specifically from the economic 228 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,840 development business friendly kind of region so I guess that those are two 229 00:25:44,840 --> 00:26:03,200 requests I have a question I guess to start off with did I lived over on 230 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:10,720 Cordell previously so near the new Newton razor near Avenue Foreman set the 231 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,780 right middle school Calhoun thank you over over by the new Calhoun and so as 232 00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:21,080 those schools were going in y'all dropped four-way stops in quite a few 233 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:29,120 new areas there was the new like very short bike lane on Cordell slash Crescent 234 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:33,320 approaching the school and as far as I'm aware those were just kind of dropped I 235 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,960 was on mobility committee at the time and I did not hear about those in 236 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:42,000 advance I lived in the neighborhood and I didn't get any like information so 237 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,920 have people complained about those has there been any negative response to 238 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,640 those at all 239 00:26:48,640 --> 00:27:02,960 Chandra transportation services no complaints we got so far it's all been 240 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:09,380 positive okay all right great so I guess my comment would be that we have a bike 241 00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:13,280 ped plan right now right in the mobility plan I'm looking at a map of all of 242 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,040 these places that we've identified as good corridors for placing bike 243 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,240 infrastructure which I think is traffic calming to a large extent right you're 244 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,640 narrowing the lanes you're adding complexity you're doing all of these 245 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,400 these traffic calming things and you know I've lived in a neighborhood where 246 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,920 there was just some traffic safety traffic calming stuff implemented 247 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,760 suddenly it doesn't sound like there were any complaints I trust you guys I 248 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:42,800 trust your expertise I trust you your ability to work together as a team like 249 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,640 I don't I guess as a mobility committee member I don't want to be sitting here 250 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,280 and going okay well here's my thoughts on what you guys should do here's like 251 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,920 this project that I want to discuss on this committee I'd rather you just put 252 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,600 put stuff in like so like go you know get out there start doing stuff because 253 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,640 it seems like we have the ability to do identify projects that need done do them 254 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,840 and there's you know no negative community response positive community 255 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,480 response obviously some projects will be larger and I think need that level of 256 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,280 involvement but I trust you guys to go out there and just start doing small 257 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:22,480 stuff you know and I would like it if that that could happen I don't I don't 258 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,760 need input I guess is what I'm saying you know well from a just a broader 259 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,440 city's perspective some of those projects do require funding as you know 260 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,200 so I know Brian's laughing at me because it's always gonna come back to the 261 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:44,520 budget but but when I mean and I will speak for I mean we have three projects 262 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,560 in the queue right now where they're they're implementing some recommendations 263 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,960 based on some traffic studies that they did so they are doing that I think our 264 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,160 staff are doing that some of the larger projects that require more funding 265 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,400 that's when it's gonna come to you it's gonna go through the budget process go 266 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,040 through the CIP planning process to make sure that we have the adequate funding 267 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:09,600 to implement the recommendations yeah if just start throwing paint down on the 268 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:21,720 road that's my suggestion I don't know that I can comment okay okay well then 269 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:28,040 I'll jump in with some of my my questions and comments the one of the 270 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,640 thing it kind of falls on from some of the other comments that you've heard I 271 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:38,560 think there there is a lack of awareness that I think we can solve and I I don't 272 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,720 know how much effort we will take but I think I think we could solve it in terms 273 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,120 of education outreach and training it's a common mantra of mine that that you 274 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,880 know when people are aware of the benefits they they tend to be accepting of 275 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,500 you know change versus change sprung on them it's kind of the flip of what she 276 00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:03,400 was saying you know there's there's been no real issues on for the the 277 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,320 recommendations that that y'all just did so I support that just go out there and 278 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,040 be proactive to the extent that the budget will allow or that we can 279 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,320 pre-program the budget to allow for that flexibility where I was going is I was 280 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,840 going to also encourage that education outreach and training component to get 281 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:28,560 over this idea that oh well that when I have a dense street in terms of 282 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,480 interactions that that's on purpose you're planning them on purpose and it 283 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:41,640 takes me to Commissioner rumors question about do we need to revise our standards 284 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,080 for planning for existing roads that's gonna be challenging we're gonna have to 285 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,800 paint those or put bump outs or some other physical infrastructure piece to 286 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,680 create that congestion on purpose concept some of that can be painting but 287 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,740 I it makes me question as we roll out for the development if we don't need to 288 00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:08,180 revise our standards for arterials and and other collectors and whatnot to get 289 00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:17,660 this effect and I was wondering if you could comment on that briefly sure good 290 00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:23,800 morning for Han but deputy director transportation services division I I 291 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,600 asked requested Greg to for me to comment on this because you know we have 292 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:36,560 already drafted the process for this and for the standards update for first round 293 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,840 we are making some significant updates which were critical and but there are 294 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,680 not many which will be presented probably in next one or two months for 295 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,800 the transportation criteria manual but the in-depth review for the standard 296 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:56,780 updates would be following and then we will start the process in that we'll 297 00:31:56,780 --> 00:32:02,040 have to include other departments for instance fire and police department to 298 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:07,640 get their considerations as well and we we are on it but you know if if you ask 299 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,760 for the timeline I think we can circle back on that and can provide more 300 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,280 information and as part of that that sounds great I'm really interested in you 301 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:23,960 know not not necessarily pushing but just encouraging the but as part of that 302 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,840 I'd love to see it's either as part of this this future presentation or as part 303 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:35,340 of that presentation you're just mentioning solutions that we envision to 304 00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:38,920 what miss Penn and Commissioner rumor brought forward which is some of these 305 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,280 strode's that we have in town you know they're a known issue because their 306 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:49,920 strode's so how how do we adjust that to and you know I know that's gonna be part 307 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,040 of vision zero gonna be part of planning gonna be part of mobility so I know it's 308 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,800 a it's a combined thing but I'd be interested in having multiple committees 309 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:04,480 touch that to make sure that every or is rowing in the same direction sure we 310 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,720 will do that and as part of your recommendation we will we will include 311 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,800 economic development as a factor in prioritization of those projects that 312 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,880 address the question now I really appreciate you addressing your comments 313 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,120 because I was gonna bring up economic development as well that that we I don't 314 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,920 think we can do these in in a vacuum sure so other other questions from the 315 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:44,080 board all right well with that we will move on to item to see MC 25 0 0 8 the 316 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:52,240 staff memorandum and I will note and I appreciate staff helping me out I had 317 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,640 issues with both the online and the the I legislate getting the memorandum so 318 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,240 appreciate them getting those documents I hope has everybody else had a chance 319 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,880 to review those good excellent good morning Trevor crane director of capital 320 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,920 projects so we did provide some answers to your questions and our staff memo 321 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,520 which is up on the screen and was provided to y'all if you have any further 322 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:23,240 questions we have staff here that can give you any further information that's 323 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:32,040 necessary questions for staff go ahead comment on the my question from last 324 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,920 time 56% reduction in absolute crashes I think that's incredible that shows how 325 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,960 important protected bike lanes are because you know more people use 326 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,800 protected bike lanes so you're getting I don't know maybe a doubling or a 327 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,840 tripling depending on where the infrastructure is how high in demand it 328 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,960 is and then you're still seeing a reduction in the total number of 329 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,400 crashes which is just incredible so love that thank you for sharing that 330 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:06,640 information other other comments or concerns go ahead on the mobility plan 331 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:12,280 amendment it's I see that the first input meeting and I guess for anybody 332 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:18,460 that watches is after the fact there's possible changes on safety and 333 00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:22,040 classification of Eagle Drive between North Texas Boulevard and South Carol and 334 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,440 Welch Street so basically some streets around UNT so I see that the first 335 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,440 meeting is on the UNT campus March 25th at 2 30 p.m. so I'm assuming that that 336 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:37,040 sort of targeting the UNT community specifically at that 230 meeting is what 337 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:45,160 I'm understanding sure hold on one second yeah that's right we have three 338 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:53,840 neighborhood meetings one is in person and two are virtual oh I see two up 339 00:35:53,840 --> 00:36:01,360 there so you said there's more than two yeah I think one yeah though one listed 340 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:07,040 that 230 is the in person and the other two are which will there is another one 341 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,320 I can find the date out sure yeah if we can get those additional dates I'd 342 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:21,080 appreciate it anything okay I will I will say I really appreciate the I've 343 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:27,120 got really great feedback from this the community on the information that y'all 344 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,480 provided last time and now formally this time on pedestrian call buttons that 345 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,280 that seemed to bring a lot of peace of mind from the community they appreciate 346 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:46,840 that then I think well and and and I will I will say I appreciate us bringing 347 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,320 forward the the Austin Street stuff considering that the timelines it sort 348 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,360 of you know that that ship had sailed so but I still appreciate stuff digging 349 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:06,680 into that and to and moving forward so any other questions or concerns on the 350 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:14,320 memorandum no all right so moving on to any of the you're gonna do the 351 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:22,200 construction report or whatever you can do that one sure sure so we provide 352 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,600 the construction report here in a staff memo we can go through it if you'd like 353 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,560 but if you have any further questions I think that's probably easier if you have 354 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,560 any questions about any of the construction projects we provide updates 355 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,680 on I've got Seth Garcia my deputy director he didn't go through any of 356 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:45,000 those at a neighborhood meeting last night everybody was interested about the 357 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:52,720 Hickory Creek project and that and that's almost a no no there is simply no 358 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:57,880 news is that is that correct well there is some news so Hickory Creek phase 3 we 359 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,000 were waiting on the UPR agreement which was finally agreed to with the railroad 360 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,480 and it went to council in January I believe December or January we are 361 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,200 working with the contractor now to get them back to work I anticipate having 362 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,460 them back to work in next month so the goal is to have them mobilized and 363 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:20,080 starting to work again once we get them back to work I believe we're looking at 364 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:27,160 a 16 to 18 month timeline to get that project to completion okay thank you yes 365 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:38,860 sir so the I will I will bring up as no you're good so 16 to 18 months after 366 00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:46,200 March when would Ryan Road begin so we would start construction so we're 367 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,200 currently working on Ryan Road right now to bring it up to a hundred percent 368 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,040 design working through the ultimate right-of-way acquisitions so the goal 369 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,920 would be as soon as Hickory Creek 3 is substantially complete so 370 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,400 substantially complete means we can start putting traffic on it we would 371 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,120 start construction of Ryan Road so you're probably if let's assume we're 372 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,880 we're looking at 18 months substantial completion for Hickory Creek we would 373 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,600 start that bidding process probably 16 months from now so that we're ready to 374 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,040 start construction on Ryan Road as soon as Hickory Creek opens up I can't do the 375 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:36,080 math so probably q4 2026 yeah well no I would probably say q3 of 2026 okay now 376 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,280 you're making me do math yeah yeah and I'm sorry because it's not even tens so 377 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,280 and I beg your pardon thank you mr. no one told me there'd be math involved 378 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,520 commissioner what is six times nine so kind of building off the Ryan Road so we 379 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,280 don't have all the right-of-way yet no we're right well we're so we have the 380 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,920 right-of-way to build the cross-section we're looking at now we want to go ahead 381 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,760 and acquire the ultimate right-of-way for the section that shows on the 382 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,600 mobility plan you know lands not gonna get any cheaper so we want to go ahead 383 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,160 and acquire that now we'll build a a smaller cross-section than what shows on 384 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,960 the mobility plan but we'll have all the right-of-way acquired so in the future 385 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,120 when the traffic warrants it we'll be able to just come back and build the 386 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,040 additional sections do we foresee any challenge because I know one of the 387 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,680 biggest delays of a road expansion project is right-of-way acquisition does 388 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,280 it look like everything is going well with that or do we anticipate any delays 389 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,380 or well so the good thing is we're requiring that now and we don't think 390 00:40:39,380 --> 00:40:42,160 we're gonna be able to or we don't want to start that construction for another 391 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,960 16 18 months that gives us a pretty big window to start working through that 392 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,200 right-of-way acquisition process if we have to go to eminent domain on some of 393 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,160 those some of those parcels it gives us some time to do that so as of right now 394 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:02,360 no I don't see anything but I don't want I'm not gonna promise thank you all 395 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:09,600 right so the couple of questions I had that they're not really in these bunny 396 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,960 braids but they're part of the bunny brain and it's probably more appropriate 397 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,960 for the matrix so I'll just touch it in here and bring it back up the matrix 398 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,000 time and that is something that I brought up in council is making clear the 399 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,880 mobility changes due to South Bonnie Bray as related to the UPR our agreement 400 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,600 and and the routings that we're gonna take through and I can't think of the 401 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,480 name of the neighborhood that's west of the the new one that's coming in down 402 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,880 there anyway that neighborhood and then as well as you know some further ones 403 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,320 all down to the south so I'll bring that up again just as a reminder later in the 404 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:58,720 appropriate item and then it might be similar but maybe some projections on 405 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:04,040 the the Windsor changes it do they relate to the West Gate changes they 406 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:09,120 occurring at the same time or that that's further down the realignments of 407 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,440 Windsor all the way over by 35 so in reference to mobility mobility plan 408 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,840 chains I think the only thing that would happen out there is we would propose 409 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,440 changing the name of West Gate Bronco Way well not West Gate yeah West Gate and 410 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,200 Ronnie Road to make it Bronco Way the entire way that'll be something we work 411 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,880 on during a construction process but those projects so Bonnie Bray phase six 412 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,240 is the Ronnie Road portion right in front of the elementary school that's 413 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:41,680 under construction now they started mobilizing this month West Gate we 414 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,760 split that into two separate projects so originally West Gate was the east west 415 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,320 section and the north southwest section we split that into two projects we're 416 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,000 still acquiring right away on the north south section east west is ready to go 417 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,040 so we want to start that construction on that one to try to give us that east 418 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,880 west corridor as quickly as possible so that'll be going out to bid within the 419 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,680 next couple months and then the Ronnie Road east project is also going to start 420 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:16,880 probably q3 of this year and that'll give us that full east west mobility 421 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:23,880 through that section okay all right well and yeah so that sounds good for now and 422 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:29,040 I'll look for those at the updated matrix other other questions on these 423 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:39,080 items all right so then we're on to what's the next one the anything for the 424 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:48,320 trip reporting any comments or concerns no all right yes ma'am 425 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,000 thank you all for including this and giving regular updates on the trip 426 00:43:52,000 --> 00:44:05,040 projects absolutely all right with that we will move on to item D MC 25009 427 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,280 receiver porthole discussion and give to staff direction about future meeting 428 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:15,480 topics the matrix sure so I don't I'm not gonna read through all this stuff we 429 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,880 have a lot on here that we still owe you updates on and on future meetings I 430 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,800 would ask at this point if there's anything that we want to add to the to 431 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:30,520 the matrix for us to prepare for future meetings hopefully this one's not 432 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:36,240 horribly hard but can we get a more detailed view of how the existing 10 433 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,440 foot side path so there's the 288 380 connector textile project and there's 434 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,520 that ramp that's gonna come off of 380 and connect to loop 288 right now on the 435 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,000 north side of 380 there's a 10 foot side path that connects May Hill to the green 436 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,640 belt and I'm I've tried to poke at it and I'm still not clear on how that will 437 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,600 be impacted all I know is yes there will be a facility but I'm kind of looking at 438 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,420 will that will it create a detour or additional travel distance and if so how 439 00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:08,620 much for the folks using the side path so if we can get and it doesn't have to 440 00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:12,880 be super detailed just a line or or you can describe how much additional 441 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,920 distance we're looking at if somebody's going from May Hill to the green belt 442 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,720 let's say sure so I think we can work with text on as they kind of develop 443 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,760 those plans to make sure we're providing what that connects that 444 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,280 connectivity is gonna look like for our pedestrian facilities and then I have 445 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,860 one other I think I tried to ask for this last time so around town I'm kind 446 00:45:33,860 --> 00:45:37,440 of noticing sidewalks that are blocked for construction right and you know 447 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,640 that's torn up like we need to put something under the sidewalk but in some 448 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:48,560 cases I'm not seeing either a suggested detour or a provision provided for 449 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,840 pedestrian or bicycle traffic to get around the construction zone and I think 450 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,000 there's standards for that and so I'm still trying to understand you know what 451 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,040 are the requirements for if there's an existing sidewalk or an existing bike 452 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,160 lane what are the standards for either work you know working that traffic around 453 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:14,040 the zone or creating a detour or communicating that kind of thing because 454 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:20,320 you know like on locust right now kind of close to Oakland Street or close to 455 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,080 the Denton ISD building will say you know both sidewalks are blocked and I 456 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,720 haven't yet seen like a detour suggestion or any provision for somebody 457 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:32,360 to work around that so an able-bodied person might walk in the street 458 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,600 somebody in a wheelchair with mobility challenges they may just get trapped and 459 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,240 not know how to proceed so these are the kind of issues that I'm trying to 460 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,660 understand like is there is there a systemic thing that we need to be 461 00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:46,920 looking at so that we're not just reporting these one-off kind of things 462 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,560 all the time does that make sense do you need any clarity on what I'm asking 463 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:59,520 Cassie or no I think I understand so you're you're wanting to know what the 464 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,040 requirements are for when sidewalks are closed especially for detour routes 465 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:12,800 specifically for you know people with mobility challenges and you gave the 466 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,040 specific example of Oakland Street since both sidewalks on both sides of 467 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,160 the streets are blocked perfect yeah and also if there's a continuous bike lane 468 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,160 so an example there is Hickory Street at Welch so Welch is under construction and 469 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,520 some of that construction is you know in into the bike lane and interrupting it 470 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,160 and it's just sort of bike lane ends but it doesn't tell the bike traffic what to 471 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,160 do and so with like a novice user or like biker which is largely what we have 472 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,400 over there yeah right so it's just sort of an unexpected thing and then you have 473 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,760 unexpected merging between bike traffic and car traffic which isn't great 474 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,600 especially when you have a more inexperienced rider and so you know what 475 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,080 what kinds of accommodations do the standards say if there's an existing you 476 00:47:54,080 --> 00:48:00,160 know bike lane or sidewalk so both is what I'm looking at okay thanks 477 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:06,480 mr. Bray a couple things I'll touch on when we have the March meeting on 478 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:14,200 traffic calming I'm really interested in so this is more part of that item maybe 479 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,440 than a separate item you know letting us know you know innovative and but 480 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,320 fiscally responsible cheap uses of painting striping and lane dividers I 481 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,600 know that just back channel communication we've had a lot of 482 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,240 conversation about various technologies for lane dividers and how what the city 483 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,920 anticipates which ones they're using and which ones are best practice that sort 484 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,640 of thing Commissioner Rumer and I were at a bike convention not too long ago 485 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,920 where you know there was there's a number of options conveyed and we were 486 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:53,480 it was interesting again I'll touch since this is the appropriate item I'd love to 487 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,880 have make sure that we have just a clear forward-thinking plan about what we're 488 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:05,960 doing when we shut down Bonnie Bray for the you know give two to get one 489 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,320 transition down there in South Bonnie Bray in terms of how we're routing and 490 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,000 what the the anticipated changes the mobility plan particularly to that one 491 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,800 house and and I think it's a junkyard or something down there what how are they 492 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:25,920 gonna get there because they're gonna get landlocked and I think we just it 493 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,600 reminds me of the situation out East where where the the bypass was gonna come 494 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,760 through and potentially landlock a business right where they wanted to 495 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,120 divert the bridge so I just want to make sure that we're gonna land lock 496 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,920 something we do it intentionally and and know how we're gonna respond to that I 497 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:51,240 assume we will then again this this is probably in one of those other items and 498 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:57,000 I touched on it earlier you know how are we managing strode's because we we've 499 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,920 had a bunch of accidents along University it's one of our our common 500 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:09,200 accident strode producing roads and so what our standards there I don't know I 501 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:15,280 know that staff has has come up with a report on k-wood at Greenwood about that 502 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,880 old circle that's no longer circle and what their intents are to do with it I'm 503 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:26,280 happy to talk with staff after the fact I'm not sure that may that may be a 504 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,840 mobility item because we have other I think we have other locations in town 505 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:37,640 that would benefit from that discussion of when when how we treat old circles 506 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,520 and when we put in new circles so I may have to get back with staff on whether 507 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,520 I'm I think I'll hold off on asking for an action item for now but I anticipate 508 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,880 asking for a matrix item which is why I'm bringing it up here and and a 509 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,440 perfect example of this is as the apartment complex at mingo and Old North 510 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:03,840 south of University Old North goes like a hundred yards before it hits mingo 511 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:09,800 that intersection that's just a curve as the apartment complex has come in as 512 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,900 other traffic has come in we've seen more and more and more traffic not know what 513 00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:18,280 to do there they don't know whether to go down fish fish trap mingo they don't 514 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,840 know whether to go up Old North they don't know what to do there because it 515 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,760 it's confusing so I want to put that on staffs radar that that location is a is 516 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:35,400 a prime location for future eyeballs to look at that because clearly the the 517 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,840 people that live there and the new folks don't know how to treat that anymore 518 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,960 there's just a lot of confusion I've seen anecdotally popping up and I 519 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,560 literally drive that every time y'all make me come down here to city hall so 520 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,840 so that that I'm again I'm not sure if that's a matrix item or not I'll leave 521 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,360 that up to staff whether they want to address that offline or as a matrix item 522 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:08,360 I'm comfortable either way for those and I know we're not having discussion on 523 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,240 matrix items we're just saying matrix items so any anything else in the matrix 524 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:22,440 okay so with that we will move on we did that we did D we'll move on to any 525 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:32,800 concluding items item 3 any concluding items oh oh do we want it yes I'm sorry 526 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:38,160 we'll go back to item 2d I'll reopen that item and we'll have a vote on 527 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:43,000 removal any problems with the ones that staff indicated they wanted to remove 528 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,560 so it'll be item 3 which is the collision collision reduction statistics 529 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:54,000 item 4 which is the concerns for bicyclists that pedestrian safety on 530 00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:01,000 Austin item 10 which is the maintenance frequency of PCBs and item 17 dispenser 531 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,440 road behind Walmart right turn yes ma'am I'll move to recommend removal of the 532 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:13,840 recommended items is this a voter direction it's a vote okay I move I so 533 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,400 move okay we have first from Commissioner rumors second from 534 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,040 Commissioner Bray all in favor commission the chairs and I so that's 535 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:29,360 4-0 to remove those items thank you thank you Cassie for reminding us to do 536 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:35,960 that now we will move on to item 3 any concluding items any comments anything we 537 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:43,280 need to bring to staffs attention outside the matrix yes ma'am it's a good 538 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,120 week to bike today or this this week is excellent for biking very warm if you're 539 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,280 somebody who bikes occasionally and it stopped for the winter it's a good time 540 00:53:52,280 --> 00:54:01,720 to get back into it I could use some vitamin D when are we back in March 541 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:20,120 March 26 there we go the I will remind staff that and I don't it's probably not 542 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,960 relevant for the Mobility Committee but the majority of council like the vast 543 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,960 majority of council is in National League of Cities the night through the 544 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:33,680 13th so don't don't ask council for any decisions in that week because we're not 545 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:40,680 here so and I don't know if any of the commissioners are doing anything so just 546 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,320 just be it I think that's spring break for you and T as well so just just be 547 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,560 aware that that's a potentially awkward week for any decisions from this body 548 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:55,600 or from council all right with that anything else before I close out the 549 00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:03,720 meeting no all right so at 1057 we will close the meeting you know