1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,640 Good afternoon. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,120 Welcome to the planning and zoning work session. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:12,120 Unfortunately, we do not have quorum, so we will not be convening the work session. 4 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:17,960 However, we will convene the regularly scheduled meeting at 6.30 p.m. tonight in the council 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,960 chamber. 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:34,240 Good evening, and welcome to the January 29th meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,780 at 6.30 p.m. tonight. 8 00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:44,280 I will call this meeting to order, and our first order of business is the Pledge of Allegiance 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,280 to the U.S. and Texas flag. 10 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:55,920 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 11 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:02,800 which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 12 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:20,200 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible. 13 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:27,640 Our next order of business is item 2A, PZ25002, consider approval of the January 15th planning 14 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,920 and zoning meeting minutes. 15 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,880 I have a motion from Commissioner Villarreal. 16 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,280 >> Move approval. 17 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,880 >> And Commissioner Padron. 18 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,860 >> Second. 19 00:01:38,860 --> 00:01:39,860 >> Thank you. 20 00:01:39,860 --> 00:01:50,200 Let's vote on the board. 21 00:01:50,200 --> 00:02:01,180 That brings our consent agenda, and all of these are moving forward. 22 00:02:01,180 --> 00:02:08,080 Item 3A, B, and C, and there's a motion from Commissioner Villarreal. 23 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,000 >> Move approval. 24 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 >> Commissioner Riggs. 25 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,160 >> Second. 26 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,360 >> Any questions on the items? 27 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,360 Okay. 28 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:26,040 And let's vote on the board. 29 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:36,360 That brings up item 4A, FR250001, I think we will have Sean Jacobson up to present. 30 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,840 >> Good evening, Chair and members of the Planning and Zoning Commission. 31 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,880 I'll just pull up my presentation here. 32 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Okay. 33 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,880 No. 34 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,920 That is definitely not it. 35 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:47,920 One moment. 36 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:48,920 Okay. 37 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:49,920 There we are. 38 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:56,920 Apologies. 39 00:02:56,920 --> 00:03:23,320 There we go. 40 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,240 Okay. 41 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Sorry about that. 42 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:39,360 So this is a plat of the Glenwood Meadows additional replat, essentially to remove floodplain, 43 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,040 to acknowledge that floodplain has been removed from these lots. 44 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:47,280 It is not fully satisfactory of our criteria yet, and so staff is recommending denial. 45 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,800 We have no objection to the request for an extension, which could be to a date certain 46 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,560 of February 26th. 47 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,500 Happy to answer any questions. 48 00:03:56,500 --> 00:04:00,880 >> Any questions? 49 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:01,880 Commissioner Villarreal. 50 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,880 >> Move approval. 51 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,960 The extension request to a date certain of February 26th, 2025. 52 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,680 >> And Commissioner Pedrone. 53 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:09,680 >> Second. 54 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:17,760 >> Let's vote on the board. 55 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:36,760 Next is item 4B, FR25-0003. 56 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:55,000 Go ahead, Matt, when you're ready. 57 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:07,280 >> Good evening, Commission. 58 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:15,480 This is a replat for a lot located on the east side of Mosh Branch Road, about 600 feet 59 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,480 south of US-380. 60 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:24,600 It's a 9.4 acre lot, purpose to establish and abandon some public as well as private 61 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,160 easements. 62 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,480 At this moment, it does not meet our criteria for approval. 63 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,760 So staff is recommending denial, but has no objection to their first extension request 64 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,560 to a date certain of February 26th. 65 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,440 >> Thank you. 66 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,800 I understand any questions or a motion. 67 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:43,800 Commissioner Villarreal. 68 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:44,800 >> Move approval. 69 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,680 The extension request to a date certain of February 26th, 2025. 70 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,680 >> Commissioner Pedrone. 71 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,680 >> Second. 72 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,680 >> Any questions? 73 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,680 Let's vote on board. 74 00:05:52,680 --> 00:06:14,440 That passes 4-0, brings us to item 4D, sorry, 4C, FP25-0005 also from Matt. 75 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:31,600 Excuse the number, but this is a final plat for a proximally 16.4 acre lot in the city's 76 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,880 ETJ off of FM-8030 south of Country Club Road. 77 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:43,800 Its purpose to establish 15 lots, 13 of them being single family residential. 78 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,800 It does not meet the criteria for approval. 79 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:55,220 However, staff has no objection to their first extension request. 80 00:06:55,220 --> 00:06:57,180 >> Any questions or entertain a motion? 81 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:58,180 Commissioner Villarreal. 82 00:06:58,180 --> 00:06:59,180 >> Move approval. 83 00:06:59,180 --> 00:07:02,240 The extension request to a date certain of February 26th, 2025. 84 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,240 >> Commissioner Pedrone. 85 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,720 >> I second. 86 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:13,800 Let's vote on the board. 87 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:24,640 That motion passes 4-0, brings us to item 4D, FP25-0001, Mia Hines, good evening. 88 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:33,880 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission. 89 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:42,680 This item, FP25-0001 is a final plat for Hickory Grove Phase 3, which is located south of Jackson 90 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Road. 91 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,920 The first two phases were located north of Western University, so just south of this 92 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,400 phase, approximately 1,800 feet west of Thomas J. Egan. 93 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,720 At this time, the plat does not meet all of our criteria for approval, so we are recommending 94 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,720 denial. 95 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:05,440 We have no objection to the requested extension to a date certain of February 26th, 2025, 96 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,280 and this would be their first extension. 97 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:12,900 At this time, I'll take any questions you have. 98 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:14,280 >> Questions or motion? 99 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:15,280 Commissioner Villarreal. 100 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,280 >> Move approval. 101 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,040 The extension request to a date certain of February 26th, 2025. 102 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,040 >> Commissioner Pedrone. 103 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,640 >> I second. 104 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:28,080 >> Let's vote on the board. 105 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:35,600 That motion passes 4-0, brings us to item 4E, FP25-0003. 106 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:36,600 >> Good evening. 107 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:42,160 Julie Wyatt, principal planner, and I am presenting this plat to you for the prestige at May Hill. 108 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,840 It is for a final plat. 109 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,080 Staff is currently recommending denial because they have some items that they need to correct 110 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,080 prior to approval. 111 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,960 The property is located just east of May Hill Road on the north side of Edwards. 112 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:02,120 The purpose of the plat is to -- for a single lot for a multifamily development. 113 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:07,640 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 114 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,640 >> I had one. 115 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,640 Julie. 116 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,640 >> Yes. 117 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:11,640 >> Just -- I'm sorry. 118 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,640 It wasn't this one. 119 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,560 >> Oh, okay. 120 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:22,640 >> Any questions or a motion? 121 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Commissioner Villarreal. 122 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,880 >> Approval of the extension request to date certain February 26th, 2025. 123 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,880 >> And Commissioner Riggs. 124 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,080 >> Second. 125 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:41,800 >> Let's vote on the board. 126 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:47,840 That passes 4-0, brings up item 4F, FP24-0042. 127 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,040 >> All right. 128 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,520 Once again, Julie Wyatt. 129 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,280 This one actually should have been on the consent agenda because they actually addressed 130 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:01,560 all of our comments prior to the agenda posting, so I do apologize, but we'll go ahead and 131 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:03,040 talk about it. 132 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,560 The property is located at the intersection of Loop 288 and McKinney. 133 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:13,960 They are proposing to develop the lot with a commercial use, a car wash, actually, and 134 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,820 it is a final plat for the property. 135 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:20,760 They have addressed all of staff's technical requirements, and so we do recommend approval 136 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,600 of this final plat. 137 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,600 >> Thank you. 138 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:31,520 Any questions or a motion? 139 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:32,520 Commissioner Villarreal. 140 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,000 >> With approval. 141 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,000 >> Commissioner Pedron. 142 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,600 >> Second. 143 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:45,960 >> And let's vote on the board. 144 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,680 That item passes 4-0, which brings us to our last item for individual consideration. 145 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,200 Item 4G, FP25-0004. 146 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,240 >> All right. 147 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,360 So this is my last plat tonight. 148 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,920 This is a final plat for the Kingsway subdivision. 149 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,360 It's a single family residential subdivision. 150 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:12,800 It is located on the northeast side of Loop 288, and this is the final phase of that subdivision. 151 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,120 It is a final plat. 152 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,320 We do recommend denial because they do have some items that they need to work through, 153 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,280 but we have no objection to the requested extension. 154 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,860 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 155 00:11:25,860 --> 00:11:34,520 >> Any questions on this one or a motion? 156 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:35,520 Commissioner Pedron. 157 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:45,680 >> Move approval to grant the extension to date certain of February 26, February 26. 158 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,400 >> And Commissioner Rieks. 159 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,760 >> Second. 160 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:59,880 >> Let's vote on the board. 161 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:05,600 Item passes 3-0, sorry, 3-1. 162 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:19,540 Brings us to our one public hearing of the evening, item 5A, AMPC24-0001B. 163 00:12:19,540 --> 00:12:21,960 I will go ahead and open the public hearing at this time. 164 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,280 >> Good evening, Chair and members of the commission. 165 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,760 This is Angie Manglaris, Development Review Manager, here to present Coal Ranch Masterplan 166 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,440 Community, a major amendment. 167 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,280 So a little bit about this request. 168 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,680 This request is to amend a portion of the Coal Ranch Masterplan Community development 169 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:43,600 map, effectively rezoning portions of the Masterplan Community from a light industrial 170 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:50,040 and residential 7 base zoning district to a mixed-use neighborhood, mixed-use regional, 171 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,600 residential 4 and residential 6 base zoning districts. 172 00:12:53,600 --> 00:13:00,040 The approximately 3,169-acre Coal Ranch Masterplan Community is generally located in the southwestern 173 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:07,400 part of the city, is located west of Interstate 35W, south of Tom Cole Road, and is bisected 174 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,400 by FM2449. 175 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Zoning in the vicinity is varied. 176 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,760 To the south and southeast is in the Landmark Masterplan Community. 177 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,140 There are residential uses to the west, north, and northwest, both in the city limits as 178 00:13:21,140 --> 00:13:24,140 well as in the extraterritorial jurisdiction. 179 00:13:24,140 --> 00:13:29,360 And then public facilities and industrial uses are situated to the northeast of the subject 180 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,360 property. 181 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:36,680 Today, the subject property is predominantly pasture with farm and ranch-related structures. 182 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:42,320 There are also some active gas well pads, stands of mature trees, and areas of confirmed 183 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,320 and potential environmentally sensitive areas. 184 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,380 The purpose of this request is to reduce the total land area in the light industrial base 185 00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:55,960 zoning district to reduce conflict between areas of light industrial and residential 186 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,440 development as well as to align the base zoning map with the internal land plan and infrastructure. 187 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,840 The primary area of change you can see here on your screen is generally located west of 188 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:11,160 Future Loop 288 and north of FM2499. 189 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:16,120 This request does not alter the maximum allowable single-family and multi-family units that 190 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,680 are approved with the Coal Ranch Master Plan Community, which is 5,900 single-family units 191 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,440 and 3,200 multi-family units. 192 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,480 This table is a little bit helpful to see the areas of change. 193 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:35,080 The reduction in light industrial is approximately 316 acres and 17 acres reduction in residential 194 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,080 seven. 195 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:41,240 Predominantly, that land area is being redistributed to mixed-use neighborhood and mixed-use regional. 196 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,600 However, there are also some slight increases in the total land area in residential six 197 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,600 and residential four base zoning districts. 198 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,600 This request was approved against the criteria for approval as outlined in the Coal Ranch 199 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,160 MPC. 200 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,360 Staff does find it consistent with the Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan as well as the adopted 201 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,360 MPC. 202 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,960 In addition, it is not anticipated to generate any adverse impacts and adequate road systems 203 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,720 and public facilities are available to serve the development and are outlined in the various 204 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,080 operating and project agreements associated with Coal Ranch. 205 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 A little bit more about the Comprehensive Plan. 206 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,840 The Comprehensive Plan does designate this area as Master Plan Community as you can see 207 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,560 here on your map. 208 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,960 This applies to our large-scale developments that are guided by separate approvals within 209 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,200 the city. 210 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,160 The total land area as part of this request remains unchanged, so the total amount of 211 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,160 land area in the Coal Ranch MPC stays the same, although the base zoning districts are 212 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,520 shifting a little bit. 213 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,160 At the time of adoption, the Comprehensive Plan did recognize that some areas zoned MPC 214 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,480 may not reflect future needs, and this request is consistent with Action Item 211, which 215 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,320 calls to establish a process to facilitate revisions to the land use mix of approved 216 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,640 MPCs. 217 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:03,640 This request specifically is consistent with generating compact and mixed-use developments 218 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:09,520 as well as allowing for a mix of housing types, specifically by rezoning portions of the MPC 219 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:15,440 from LI to the MN and MR as you see along the future Loop 288. 220 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Additionally, the Coal Ranch Master Plan Community is consistent with the population projections 221 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:28,040 in the 2040 Comprehensive Plan, which calls for an additional approximately 37,000 housing 222 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,040 units. 223 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:34,440 Again, the Coal Ranch Master Plan Community will contain no more than 5,900 single-family 224 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,700 units and 3,200 multi-family units. 225 00:16:37,700 --> 00:16:43,320 This is also consistent with Goal HN1, which calls to develop and maintain a diverse housing 226 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:50,200 stock to meet the price point, location, and choice and type for residents. 227 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,000 The Preferred Land Preservation Plan does show several areas of confirmed and potential 228 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,280 ESA development can occur in a manner that's consistent with the Preferred Land Preservation 229 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,320 Plan by following the ESA standards as outlined in the Coal Ranch MPC, which calls for development 230 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:10,080 in accordance in the same manner that the Denton Development Code does, preserving those areas. 231 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,680 Public outreach was conducted in accordance with state law and the Denton Development 232 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:14,760 Code. 233 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,240 Public notices were mailed as well as posted in the newspaper and the website. 234 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,360 At this time, no responses have been received in opposition in favor or neutral. 235 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:29,520 The applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting in December of 2024, and staff is recommending 236 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,240 approval as this is consistent with the criteria for approval within the Coal Ranch MPC. 237 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,040 The next steps for this project would be a public hearing at City Council on February 238 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,040 18th. 239 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,440 I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have, and the applicant is also here who 240 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,360 can answer questions you may have. 241 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:50,480 Any questions from the commission? 242 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,280 I've got one, Angie. 243 00:17:52,280 --> 00:18:00,160 Could you, for the benefit of those up here, explain how the zoning designations within 244 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:12,080 this MPC overlay with the limits of the number of homes within each type that is also a limitation 245 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,080 within the MPC? 246 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Does that make sense, as far as the number of units that can be built? 247 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,600 Sure. 248 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:27,800 I think maybe I follow, but are you asking for me to explain how the MPC dictates those? 249 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:37,780 Just in a normal zoning case, we understand that the density and number of units is limited 250 00:18:37,780 --> 00:18:43,920 by height and setbacks within a particular zoning district, as well as building coverage. 251 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,120 This is a little bit different, because there's an additional cap, is my understanding. 252 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:55,320 Could you explain how that additional cap works with this request? 253 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:01,280 I think so, so this might help just as we talk a little bit. 254 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:06,080 The land area is shifting within the master plan community. 255 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:11,400 Within the coal ranch MPC, all of the zoning districts apart from light industrial do allow 256 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:18,880 for some residential use, be that multifamily townhome or single family. 257 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,200 The number of units that are allowed are capped in the coal ranch MPC as part of that adopting 258 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:29,360 ordinance and is also outlined in their operating and project agreements. 259 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:34,280 While the overall distribution of the base zoning districts is shifting, those unit counts 260 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:40,600 are not also increasing with the increased land in MR and MN, which allow for residential 261 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:41,600 uses. 262 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,720 Effectively, that would make the overall density of the development slightly less than what 263 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:52,000 it was when it was initially adopted, just based on how the land area is distributed. 264 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,080 It's much different than a typical zoning case, which does not typically have these 265 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,080 normal caps. 266 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,880 If you were to zone to RR, you would be limited to those lot sizes, and that would dictate 267 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,920 the number of houses essentially, but they're very different than a normal zoning case. 268 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,360 Typically, we wouldn't have that associated with it unless it was something like a plan 269 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,720 development where you're adopting that site plan. 270 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:12,720 Okay. 271 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:13,720 Thank you. 272 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,980 Is there a cap for commercial development or industrial development similar to the number 273 00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:21,160 of units of residential? 274 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,160 No. 275 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:27,520 I'm not aware of any cap that would limit the number of commercial or industrial developments. 276 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,800 Just they'd have to be situated in the land area that allows for it. 277 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:31,800 Okay. 278 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,800 Thank you. 279 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,800 Any other questions? 280 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,040 I just have one question, and it's related to the public meeting. 281 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,640 Did anybody come to the public meeting? 282 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,800 It looks like there wasn't any response to the- 283 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,800 No. 284 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,200 There were no attendees at the neighborhood meeting apart from those on the applicant's 285 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,680 team, and they can speak more to that if you need more information. 286 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,920 No, that's good. 287 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,760 Okay. 288 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,760 This is a public hearing. 289 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:02,120 First of all, I don't have a card, but if the applicant would like to speak, you're 290 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,120 welcome to. 291 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,600 We can fill out a card afterwards. 292 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:15,160 Mr. Chairman, members of the Planning and Zoning Commission, my name is O.C. Vest, and 293 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:21,560 I'm the project manager for the Coal Ranch Company and for the Coal Ranch Project. 294 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,720 I think Angie's done a wonderful job analyzing the application and the request, and I really 295 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,600 don't have anything to add to that except that we're here and happy to answer any questions 296 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,360 that you might have. 297 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:46,040 It's a quiet evening. 298 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,600 I'll ask one, I'm sorry, Mr. Vest. 299 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,600 Vest. 300 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,600 Vest. 301 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,600 It's a quiet evening, and my ears are not quite working well. 302 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:09,280 I also totally understand the strange oddity of the LI adjacent to residential before. 303 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:15,120 Can you speak to, I don't know how long you've been on the project, can you speak to what 304 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,160 the rationale was for having that originally? 305 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,120 It makes sense to me to convert away from that, but I think I'd understand better if 306 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,160 I understood what the original plan was. 307 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,160 Does that make sense? 308 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,160 Sure. 309 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,160 I think that's a great question. 310 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:34,160 I've been on the project now for 15 years, so it has gone through a bit of a metamorphosis 311 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,540 over time. 312 00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:44,320 The light industrial zoning was an idea that the Coal family had as a land use because 313 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,000 they're in the light industrial business. 314 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:55,720 The family also owns a business park called ILC West that's in northern Fort Worth next 315 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:03,200 to the BNSF Intermodal, and they've got about 1,200 acres there that is light industrial. 316 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:09,980 What we've learned over time with that project is what light industrial really means in this 317 00:23:09,980 --> 00:23:14,720 area of DFW these days is distribution warehouse, right? 318 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:21,280 It's all about online shopping and the increased amount of distribution that's necessary for 319 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,200 that, which is great. 320 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:30,640 The only drawback to distribution warehouse is it generates a lot of trucks. 321 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,880 It's 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 322 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:41,760 There is some residential that's coming in next to the Fort Worth project where we have 323 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,920 that business park. 324 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:51,680 What we've seen is that truck traffic and the residential traffic is a bad mix because 325 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,180 the truck traffic just never lets up, and then during the peak times when people are 326 00:23:57,180 --> 00:24:03,920 going to work, going to school, coming home, there's a lot of conflicts. 327 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,080 Because they have that light industrial park in Fort Worth, they felt like we don't want 328 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:14,400 to make that mistake here, so we've got plenty as a family, we have plenty of light industrial 329 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:23,200 land to develop, let's pull that out of Coal Ranch and just make that area residential, 330 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,560 but not ask for any additional units. 331 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,880 What that allows us to do, as Angie pointed out, is it allows us to lower the density in 332 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,880 areas. 333 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,680 If you go back and look at some of the original documentation for Coal Ranch in the original 334 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:46,000 NPC, there's over 1,000 acres of open space, so it's going to allow us to do some lot 335 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:53,280 sizes that are bigger than what the builder appetite has been for the last few years. 336 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:59,000 The builder appetite has been give us 40 foot lots, give us 50 foot lots, we're going to 337 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,680 be able to produce lot sizes much bigger than that. 338 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,160 With 3,000 acres, it's a 20 plus year project. 339 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:16,760 We need the diversity and product type in order to have a well-rounded master plan community, 340 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,920 and that means a wide range of residential products. 341 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,240 It's really the safety, what we learned from the light industrial project in Fort Worth, 342 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:36,680 that really spurred us to move to ask for this change. 343 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:44,040 I noticed that there's more MR zoning adjacent to the future WIP 288. 344 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:51,280 Does that play into a desire to have buildable land available for more commercial uses along 345 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:58,600 that corridor or is that moving some of the higher density residential closer to there? 346 00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,600 What's the thought? 347 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Both. 348 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,600 Okay. 349 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:09,360 As you probably guessed, like we have, loop 288 corridor is going to provide an increased 350 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:16,040 commercial capability we don't have today, and then that intersection with FM 2449 is 351 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,120 also very important commercially. 352 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:26,000 We wanted to give that the best opportunity as possible to create more mixed use, like 353 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,280 we're doing with our phase one. 354 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:35,240 With our phase one, which is the MR area in the northeast corner there, we've got a pretty 355 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:43,600 wide range of products there, including mixed use commercial and restaurants and uses like 356 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,440 that, other non-residential uses. 357 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:52,840 We really like the MR capability to allow us to do that mixed use in an area where we 358 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,720 think it'll actually work right here. 359 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,720 Any other questions? 360 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,720 Okay. 361 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,720 Thank you. 362 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,720 You bet. 363 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:08,320 This is a public hearing, so if anyone else would like to speak on this item, you're welcome 364 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:14,660 to come down and fill out a card later. 365 00:27:14,660 --> 00:27:19,440 Not seeing any movement, I will close the public hearing. 366 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:41,160 Open the floor for discussion or questions for staff or motion. 367 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:50,520 Commissioner Villarreal. 368 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Commissioner Riggs? 369 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,520 Second. 370 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,520 All right. 371 00:27:53,520 --> 00:28:01,040 It's a quiet group tonight, like I said before. 372 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:08,120 I think it's interesting to see the difference in dynamic between an MPC amendment and as 373 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:13,280 any case, closer to where there's existing development. 374 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:21,000 It looks to me like we're going to allow for, there's no guarantee that it would happen, 375 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:28,780 more of a retail sort of strip center, if you can think of, between on the other side 376 00:28:28,780 --> 00:28:35,040 of Loop 288 that exists, that's not a freeway. 377 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:41,520 And I'll recall, gosh, maybe a year ago now, when we were looking at this West Denton area 378 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:47,880 with lots of muds coming in west of here, that without an outlet to allow development 379 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:54,120 to have a place for that, we would essentially be forcing all of the residential development 380 00:28:54,120 --> 00:29:01,480 west I-35 to cross east of I-35 under a bridge that's not widened yet. 381 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:09,080 And even once it is, it'll be too small, because we all live seven miles away from everything. 382 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,120 So hopefully this will be able to distribute some more things around, even though it's 383 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,760 very much of a corridor plan, I doubt it'll be mixed use, it'll be a strip mall. 384 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,340 But if that's what's demanded, that's what's demanded. 385 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:26,280 Any other questions or comments? 386 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:34,360 I will call for a vote on the floor. 387 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,920 That item passes 4-0. 388 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:53,760 That brings us to our item 6A, Planning and Zoning Commission Matrix Report, Tina. 389 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,700 Thank you, Chair Perot. 390 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:04,680 So just wanted to bring to your attention a couple of updates that we made to the matrix. 391 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,280 There were no items that were requested from the commission, but I did add two items to 392 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,520 the matrix for your benefit. 393 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,600 So one of the things is, what we would like to do is share with you some of the projects 394 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,120 that our team has been working on, kind of more behind the scenes. 395 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,640 Some of these projects, you may not necessarily have a role in, but just wanted to let you 396 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,960 know what we are working on, because they are associated with implementation of our 397 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,760 Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan, as well as our Southeast Denton Area Plan, and our Design 398 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,760 Downtown Denton Plan, in addition to council strategic initiatives. 399 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,800 So I thought you all might benefit from receiving that information. 400 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,660 And then also, we're going to go ahead and start doing our PNZ boot camps for a couple 401 00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:51,800 of you that have been on the commission, maybe a little longer, you know, will -- we have 402 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,320 a series of topics that we will do presentations to the commission, typically during that work 403 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:05,760 session, and I'll -- can I maybe get -- Angie, can I maybe get your help? 404 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,760 Thank you. 405 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,840 So -- but anyway, so we do these PNZ boot camp presentations. 406 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,360 They're more done in work session. 407 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,880 They're more informational purposes, just kind of -- I wanted to say maybe a little 408 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,480 higher than a Planning 101 -- thank you, Angie -- a little more higher than a Planning 101 409 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:31,040 class, but just -- we do this so that from time to time, we all have a refresher on the 410 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,000 regulations associated with some of the efforts or the types of applications that the commission 411 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000 may see. 412 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:42,040 So you'll start seeing us getting those scheduled more regularly during your work sessions. 413 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,320 The other thing I'll make note on the Matrix, I did tweak one item, the second line item 414 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,760 in the Matrix, with the LSR explaining the practices and legal limitations associated 415 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,440 with state law changes, so I just noted that that will provide an update at a future date. 416 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,240 I know it's on Hillary's radar, so -- because we remind her from time to time, so but anyway, 417 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,440 so just wanted to update the timeframe that was on that. 418 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,400 In terms of council action on any planning items, since your last Planning and Zoning 419 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,720 Commission meeting, there have been none, so nothing to report on that front. 420 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,000 And then, wanted to also follow up with the commission, just bring to your attention, 421 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,200 so on February 12th, that is when we will be doing our CIAC, our Capital Improvements 422 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,360 Advisory Committee. 423 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,360 If you recall, you all serve in that capacity. 424 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,640 The city is working on its utility impact fees, and so we are needing to convene the 425 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,800 CIAC and have that meeting. 426 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,680 So we typically do those before the Planning and Zoning Commission work session. 427 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,320 So we would do those at 4 o'clock p.m., and again, this would be on February 12th. 428 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:50,160 So does anybody know if they have a conflict with that meeting date and time? 429 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,160 Okay. 430 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,400 Good. 431 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,660 So love to see that. 432 00:32:56,660 --> 00:33:00,280 Also a friendly reminder, if you could make sure that you also respond to the email that 433 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,960 Kathy has sent you, because we do track your availability that way. 434 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:13,200 So thank you for that, and I believe that concludes my report, so thank you. 435 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,080 Any requests or additions for the matrix? 436 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:27,360 I have one that may just fold into the bootcamp updates, but I think especially with concerning 437 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:36,960 the plats that we move forward, I would like to see an overview of not only what is that 438 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,640 process and what is our responsibility in that, but also what does staff have to do 439 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:51,080 when there are last-minute changes from the plat perspective or meeting quorum perspective, 440 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:57,960 and then what are the implications of not being able to act on those applications in 441 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,760 a timely manner? 442 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:00,760 Yeah. 443 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:01,760 Okay. 444 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,560 We can do that. 445 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,360 Okay. 446 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,560 Well, concluding items. 447 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,720 Anybody have any concluding items for this evening? 448 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:19,300 Seeing none. 449 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:25,640 Thank you, Commission and staff, and I will adjourn this meeting of the Denton Planning 450 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,880 and Zoning Commission at 7.05 p.m.