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 All right, well, we are here at the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton, Wednesday,

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 January 29th, starting at 10 a.m. We're in the council work session room.

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 It looks like we have a quorum, and so we're going to convene at this regular meeting.

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 Item number one, citizens' comment on agenda items, do we have any kind of citizens' comments

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 or anything?

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 Okay, so we'll move on, no citizens' comment.

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 Move on to item number two, for individual consideration, AMC 25-001, consider approval

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 of the minutes of December the 18th, 2024.

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 How can we get a motion?

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 I move approval of the minutes as submitted.

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 I'll second.

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 All right, are there any decisions?

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 Let's see, everybody's in approval of that, and it stands.

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 So we'll move on to B, AMC 25-002, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the

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 City of Denton Transportation Mobility Project status report.

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 John.

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 John Poster.

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 Good morning.

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 Good morning.

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 This is John Poster.

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 John Poster, Innovative Transportation Solutions.

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 So we'll go over the meeting, the report today, we've got some updates to give you.

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 Oh, may I interject here?

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 Absolutely.

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 Just remind the community, we're not having these reports every month, they're coming

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 on a quarterly basis now.

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 Is that right?

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 I show up whenever you tell me to.

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 Okay, so I'm going to get down a little bit smaller, I think.

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 So we'll just start here.

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 35 North has multiple sections.

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 The thing to note on this today is that the 074, I don't know why that's there.

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 How do you get rid of that?

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 Well, I'll move it up.

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 074 project, which is his yellow job, TechStat is going to be breaking that up into multiple

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 plan sets.

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 It should say that right down here.

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 These are the utilities.

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 So it'll be broken into three different projects, because 074 is over the dollar amount that

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 they like to bid.

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 So they're going to be breaking 074 into three different projects and starting from

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 basically 77, where the merge job ends and start moving north.

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 And so that will delay our ready to let date because of the breakout of the plans for 074

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 to January 26, which is basically four months later than what it was originally.

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 We were in like September 25, which is still in the same fiscal year because their fiscal

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 year started in September and goes through August.

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 So they didn't move it out of that 26 fiscal year.

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 They just moved it from September to January so they can break those projects into three

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 It shouldn't impact anything that y'all are going to see.

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 Go ahead.

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 I had a question.

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 I think you just answered the question, it shouldn't impact, but my question was going

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 to be, is that going to slow down any of the other projects?

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 So if you look at 074, it's $495 million, and anything over 150 has to go through a

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 value engineering.

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 And what's happening is when they get to projects that have these higher dollar amounts, they

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 get fewer bidders, and they don't get as much competition.

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 So when they break them up into smaller projects, they open it up for additional bidders, and

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 they get better prices.

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 Yeah, because I kind of noticed that it was always the same companies on these large--

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 Well, it's always going to be the same companies because there's only so many companies that

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 can do it.

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 Right.

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 For example, on the next project you're going to look at, that was a $555 million project.

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 Text, I got two bidders on that because it was that big, and they said we're not doing

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 So they're going to break up these big jobs into smaller ones.

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 That's interesting.

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 We have a question here.

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 This is a follow-on from Cher's question, and that is that four-month delay is going

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 to be a four-month delay for everything.

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 We're going to expect all the other layouts to--

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 Yeah, so are you doing utility relocations regardless because the utilities are clearing

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 the whole 074 section.

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 How textile lets it is irrelevant to the utility coordination.

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 So those utilities are still moving, and those are-- we're going to be having the plants

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 done during that time that the utilities are relocating.

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 So they'll just have a break between each project section.

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 If they're going to do the whole utility coordination, they're going to start south to north.

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 That way, when the south starts, they're already cleared from that section, and we'll just

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 move forward on them as we go north.

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 So utilities are still being moved during that same time.

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 We're not just waiting for the plans.

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 We've still got utilities to move.

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 It gets worse.

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 Okay, so those are all the utilities that need to be moved.

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 So the merge, the key right here is it says January 25.

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 This project actually went under-- fully under the knife contractually January 13th.

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 There's still a slight delay because there's a couple of utilities that won't be out of

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 the way until February, but by come summer, this project will be fully engulfed in construction

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 trauma.

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 And it's 56 months.

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 Trauma from your mama.

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 I'm not sure I like John's adjectives.

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 Well, you'll see in a second why I'm telling you that.

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 56 months doesn't sound like four and a half years, does it?

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 It feels more like seven.

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 It's like marriage years.

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 They always seem longer.

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 Don't touch that.

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 Gotta go through it to get to it.

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 Hope our watch not watching.

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 So here's why I'm saying this.

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 Mayhill.

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 This is a $139 million job and it takes not just Mayhill, but it does the northbound frontage

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 road all the way to 288 and the bypass is a brinker.

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 So that whole area is going to be under the knife and it lets in June.

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 So by the time the merge is fully engulfed, by the end of the year, you won't be able

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 to escape southward because this will start.

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 And if you're trying to get across the lake going into Louisville, you're going to hit

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 Main Street and we just let the 121 corporate drive this month and that's another 56-month

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 So everywhere you go on 35 in Denton County is going to look like we did during the 2012

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 Well I will say that the Mayhill project has just been great.

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 I have had some concerns and a little pushback about the not being able to make that right

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 turn going over into, you know, and so you know it's just a growing pain.

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 I go there almost every day, twice a day, and I'm fine with it because and that you

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 wouldn't have gotten the money from COG if you hadn't gotten rid of that grade.

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 Well you know and it's just a matter of just getting used to it.

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 Just getting used to it.

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 And I'm communicating that with my constituents over there that have been, you know, upset

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 I don't know the other words.

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 So we can't get out of town is what you're telling.

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 We have to either go to McKinney or Decatur.

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 And you're not going to be able, if we're successful on 35W, you're not going to be

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 I know we're being glib and we're laughing about the upcoming pain.

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 My real question is certainly flow is included in forecast planning and not just when the

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 legislature releases the budget so that tech stock can do the projects.

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 So how are we, because we're, at least the three council people, if not the other two

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 mobility commissioners, are going to hear on a weekly, if not daily basis about how

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 they can't move around Denton and the Metroplex?

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 Two points.

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 So help us provide feedback to that.

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 Two points is we know that because of the emerge, the 35W, the frontage roads, May Hill,

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 and then all the trauma in Louisville, that we will have a heightened POI process and

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 we will do more outreach.

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 So similar to what we've done on the design builds project where part of the contract

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 will include public involvement where they go out and outreach and we'll have business

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 outreaches on what's going to impact you in that time frame, how the traffic is going

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 to change.

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 It's a little bit more static and a little bit more predictable because this is a design

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 bid build, which means that all the traffic control has to be approved prior to being

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 implemented, which on a design build, it's called dynamic traffic control, which means

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 they can change it daily if they want, which is why they can get done faster.

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 So we have a, we've been working with the district to bring in a higher level of public

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 involvement where we do geo-fencing around these folks and then send the information

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 out to people and we'll put up a public information website where they can go on and give us their

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 emails and we can send them out daily updates on what's going to happen today and just try

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 to get the information out to them as best we can and keep them informed.

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 Second is we build the roads when the money comes and the money never comes slowly, it

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 comes all at once or it doesn't come at all and this has happened multiple times and we

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 just, we build the roads when we get the money.

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 So there was a period of time, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, where every road in Flower Mound,

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 Allen Village, Bartonville, Double Oak was under the knife and we're talking 30/40, 24/99,

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 three sections of 24/99, two sections of 407 and you just couldn't get out and for seven

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 There was, at one point, and I do not suggest doing this, where the town of Flower Mound

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 put a sign up at the corner of 407 and 24/99, said if you don't like the way this project's

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 going, call this number and it was Buzz Ellsworth's cell phone number and he was the area engineer

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 so that didn't go over well.

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 I don't think we'll do that to him.

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 So they don't, they don't chime it.

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 These projects are like a racehorse, right?

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 You get seven horses in the block, you don't know who's going to fit across the finish

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 line first, but as they go across the line, they're in the money, you fund them.

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 So the way we did it, these are all going to hit at the same time and they'll all be

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 built at the same time.

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 I appreciate that.

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 I'm going to request that you, when we have these quarterly mobility meetings, but to

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 the extent that staff and/or you, whichever is appropriate, can help us, help you spread

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 the message, it's going to relieve pain on us as we relieve the pain of the citizens.

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 So what we do is, off cycle from meeting with y'all, we still meet with staff monthly and

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 that includes Tech Start district and Ridaway and all those folks.

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 So we're just not getting to the point where we need to flesh out the public involvement

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 interstate reconstruction and they go to Dallas and Dallas is under construction.

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 So we had a high level of public involvement system set up between the Dallas district,

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 the contractor, the county, and the city PIO offices and they meet every two weeks and

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 they've created an email chain where they get out the word, they put it on their PSA

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 saying, "If you want information on this project, send us your email and we'll send out these

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 daily reports."

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 Let me get that out again.

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 That feedback will help keep tempers down.

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 And what are we going to see in 56 months?

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 So on the merge, you're going to go from the three lanes that you have, it goes down to

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 two as you're going north, it'll be six lanes all the way through, but from the merge to

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 380, we'll be building the future toll manage lanes in their future existence.

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 So if you know anything about 407 at 35E, that bridge, that's the ultimate bridge and

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 there's that big pavement out in the middle that nobody's using, those will be the toll

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 So we're adding the additional lane in each direction, we're adding two lanes for the

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 ramping.

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 So what happens when you come from 35W to 35, 35 is you go from two lanes to one and

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 then that one lane merges at the same time the frontage road's coming on, and then all

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 those people try to get on the freeway and then off, there'll be braided ramps between

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 the merge and 380, so you can get on and off at the same location.

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 So your exit ramp will be at grade, your on ramp will be over.

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 It's just like if you go down towards Western Center Boulevard on 35W, just north Fort Worth,

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 those are braided ramps.

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 So they're on and off at the same location, they'll happen on both sides, which should

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 reduce the conflict, and then we're going to get through 380 and go all the way to 288,

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 almost 77, and that way you'll be able to flow through.

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 No modification 35W into 35?

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 Yes, that's exactly what we're doing, is that ramping that will come from 35W will have

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 two lanes that go into sort of lane balancing.

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 35, because we'll also be taking the on ramp traffic that conflicts right there, a separate

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 structure.

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 I can send you a schematic.

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 It'll go up and over the exit ramp, and then it'll have its own entrance into the main

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 lanes.

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 I would sure like to see that.

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 It's not a problem.

245
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 Yeah, I would love to have that schematic too.

246
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 It's not a problem.

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 Will it include the airport road that's going to be here in a slide or two?

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 It will include the access on 1515, it won't include 1515, that's a separate project which

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 you'll see.

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 But where 1515 merges in, it'll include that?

251
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 Absolutely, we're doing that with the 35 merge job.

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 And so we won't have that left turn at Bonnie Bray anymore?

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 I don't have the schematic memorized, but I can check it, but yes, it was to improve

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 connectivity.

255
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 Okay, what about the guy on 1515 that wants to go south on 35W, and I don't mean to be

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 skipping ahead.

257
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 It's okay.

258
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 That's why they give you this roller ball thing on the, so I don't know if you can see

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 that and I don't know if I can see it, but it ties, it's supposed to be able to tie in

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 so you can come straight across and go right on to Bonnie Bray, similar to what you're

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 doing now, but changing the grade.

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 So it won't impact your access, you'll still have to do the same thing, but we'll go give

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 you the whole schematic for that because I think we did make some improvements to Bonnie

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 Bray, access to the 35 merge in that area as well.

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 So it's been a long time since it's been cleared, I just got to go back and send it to you and

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 let's look at it.

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 We'll get it to Scott and company.

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 That's just a complicated, it's complicated for me and I'm familiar with it.

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 I can't imagine what it must be like for a newcomer.

270
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 Right.

271
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 Okay, guys, we need to move on, we just have about another 10 minutes so we can get through

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 the rest of them.

273
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 Thank you all for that was good.

274
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 Thank you.

275
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 Okay, so I think where I was, so we talked about mail, it's going to start in earnest

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 in June and by the end of the year, it'll be fully engulfed as well.

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 Your frontage roads, we are right now, we have 213 million text, Dallas has submitted

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 the remainder of the funding, the Delta, the 200 million or so.

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 They're trying to get that through category 12 funds, which are commissioned.

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 So then go ahead and do the whole 416 million dollar project right now.

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 If they don't succeed, we have at the top project that we first talked to you about

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 the 35 North, we are using this project, the 084 and 116, 084 is in Denton County 116 is

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 in Cook County, but we're using the money in 084, which is 116 million dollars to cover

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 cost overruns or change orders for projects in Denton County.

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 So we're because that part far north where less we lose interest quick, we'll make commission

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 and pay for it.

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 So what we're going to do is if they don't get, if we don't know, if we'll know by August

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 if they got the money in the 26 UTP and as a March 26 ready to let date, so that won't

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 hurt us.

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 If they didn't get the funding, then we're going to take some of that money and we're

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 going to add back in all red because it's not in that plan set right now and apparently

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 developments breaking out all around all red, so we'll put that back into the plans, but

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 we don't want to use our money or the allocated if the commission picks it up.

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 If they don't, then we will, but we're here to tell you that regardless of how it happens,

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 we're putting all red back in to this job.

296
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 Okay, I have a question for Scott in regards to the new home development out there.

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 These new frontage roads and all of this construction, is that going to be bumping up against each

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 other or does that have anything to do with this?

299
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 It complements the development that's going to be occurring.

300
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 Okay, so this is going to happen before the development will get started or they will

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 all be working.

302
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 It'll be in concert, so the single-family homes won't be impacted by this.

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 Some of the commercial may be, but it's all a benefit and the sooner it happens, the better

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 off for that corner of Robeson 35.

305
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 Okay, great.

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 On this job, we have all the three parcels acquired, and the three parcels that we don't

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 have acquired are in eminent domain, so everybody knows where the right-of-way is and are being

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 purchased one way or the other.

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 All the developments that are going on in this area are going based on the fact that

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 the right-of-way has been acquired already for this project or they know what needs to

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 be done, and so they're developing accordingly.

312
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 Okay, thank you.

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 Anybody else have any questions on this one?

314
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 All right.

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 So, Luke 28 Frontage Roads, basically we're tinkering with the plan set because we're

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 on hold on the right-of-way because TechStot Austin cut the Dallas District's budget, and

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 they reduced it from like $700 million to $300 million, and TechStot Dallas already

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 had about $150 million of projects in eminent domain, and they told them with a penalty

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 of death not to go with their budget, so the Dallas District just put a full stop on right-of-way

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 acquisition until September until they get all these EDs dealt with so they know how

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 much money they have left moving forward, so it's not a big deal because all those projects

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 I just talked to you about that are going to construction, those all have the right-of-way

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 acquired already, but it impacts Luke 28, 1171, 377, 1385, 2931, but not the ones I just

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 talked about.

325
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 That's disappointing.

326
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 We're gonna get it fixed.

327
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 Anybody have any questions about that one?

328
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 All right.

329
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 We'll move on.

330
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 Thank you.

331
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,760
 So, this is just the Luke 28.

332
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 We're working on this, the environmental clearance.

333
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 We're expecting to have a tentative public, see, why does it do that?

334
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 Public hearing in April, which means that it drives the schedule.

335
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 Once we do April, we think we're for sure by the end of the year we'll have an environment

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 cleared once it's cleared, it's protected.

337
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 We don't have to worry about anybody trying to build something on it.

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 We just repaired the sidewalks at the 380 and 288 intersection and a little bit past,

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 right, as part of that whole prior completed project.

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 For this, because of the bypass and the way we have to construct it with the raised grade

341
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 and everything, are we tearing it out and putting it back in?

342
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 Is that what's gonna happen?

343
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 Are you talking about this area right here?

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 What's on 380, the segment on 380?

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 So what's happening is the bypass will be the main lanes going up to 288.

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 The frontage road system will be bifurcated from the main lanes and you'll still want

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 to come to this intersection to go north or south if you need to hit something in this

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 area.

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 So this will stay exactly the way it is.

350
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 So this project does not anticipate impacting anything in that intersection as is.

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 It's just gonna be the frontage road, the bifurcated frontage road system for the main

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 lanes that go cross country.

353
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 Okay.

354
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 I just thought it was just curious because the interface right there and I didn't know

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 if they'd be...

356
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 That's why we're cutting cross country because there was no way to make a direct connection

357
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 that close to the intersection on that acute angle.

358
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 Yeah.

359
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 I appreciate that.

360
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 Thank you.

361
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 Sort of building on what Brian said, I think what he's kind of saying is right there where

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 if somebody's heading westbound on US 380 and then they hit the new roadway or building,

363
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 yes, right there.

364
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 So right now there's a pedestrian path between May Hill and the Greenbelt on the north side

365
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 or it's a bike path and then there's a sidewalk on the south side.

366
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 So I think what he's asking and what I'm also interested in is will there be either uninterrupted

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 access on the north side for somebody traveling on the side path on the north side along US

368
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 380 or if there's a detour, is it gonna be super minor or kind of how is that gonna interact?

369
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 I'll get you the schematic to show you exactly, but we have to accommodate the 10 foot shared

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 use path, whether it's making it go around and under the footing of the bridge or we

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 have the bridge go over it soon enough to minimize impact, but we have to accommodate

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 that.

373
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,640
 Sure.

374
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 That's a federal requirement.

375
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 I think amount of detour is what I'm more interested in.

376
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 Well, if people like to walk, if they got to walk a little bit farther, I mean, isn't

377
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 that better for you?

378
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 Anyway.

379
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 Well, if it's four or five miles on the road.

380
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 I don't walk, so I don't know for sure.

381
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:18,120
 Yeah, I'd appreciate the schematic of how that's gonna interact.

382
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 I've got a prenup that precludes elected office.

383
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 My wife made me sign it.

384
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 So I'll get the schematic check and show you what it does, but yeah, we have to accommodate

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 the pedestrian amenities.

386
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 This is just a part of that job.

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 1515, it's basically gonna be ready to let in December, we still gotta come up with 69

388
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 million bucks.

389
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 The good news about this project is the district that headquarters isn't running out of money

390
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 per se on construction, because the 26, 27 biennium will be the second highest construction

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 budget in the history.

392
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 It's the right away in consultant budgets that are being impacted.

393
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 So this one's got the right of the acquired, the environmental is done, utilities are moving.

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 So there is a good chance that once we get this ready to let that it will rise to the

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 top for, because this also is one of those things that your previous elected officials

396
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 have made a tentative commitment to take this off system once it's built.

397
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 So it would stop being 1515 and just go back to airport road that way you can control it

398
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 a little bit better.

399
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 But you'd get a brand new six lane divided concrete, you know, 30 year road.

400
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 The narrow blue line, oh, I'm sorry, that's indicating in the project.

401
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 I'm concerned, I'm on 1515 and I want to go to Fort Worth, how do I do that?

402
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,440
 Well, you go up and you see right, I don't have to show you, I'm gonna show you, it's

403
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 right there.

404
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 So you come up, you make that turn and you run the frontage road and you get on somewhere

405
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 down here.

406
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 So there's gonna be a way?

407
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,960
 Absolutely.

408
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 Because there's not a way now.

409
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,200
 Well there is a way.

410
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,200
 It's just the other way around.

411
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 You got to go.

412
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 You got to go around.

413
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,200
 Yeah.

414
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,200
 Well, I mean, literally, there's a way.

415
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 It's just not a good way.

416
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 Right.

417
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,200
 Well, I don't have an answer to that.

418
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,800
 No, no answer, don't try.

419
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:44,520
 Okay, we have a question over here.

420
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 Just a quick clarification.

421
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 So when you say a 30 year road, you're just referring to the idea that this road would

422
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 have an expected lifespan of 30 years after initial construction?

423
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 The state builds a road that has, I don't know what y'all's design standards are, but

424
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 when the state builds a foreign to market, it's supposed to carry 56,000 pounds plus.

425
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 And so they'll have six, eight inches of subgrade, four or five inches, Trevor could probably

426
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 give it very clearly, sometimes as much as 10 inches being on the soil of an asphalt

427
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 base.

428
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 And then they'll put 10, 12 inches of concrete that's continuously enforced with rebar.

429
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 So it's not the kind of road that a city builds, it's a state facility and they don't like

430
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 to go back and repair them.

431
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 So they build them for a long life cycle.

432
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,840
 All right, thank you.

433
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,880
 It's the pavement design that makes them last.

434
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:44,240
 1173, I mean, again, we've got the right of way already acquired, so this one isn't impacted

435
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 by anything but money.

436
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,640
 Again, we think that by the time we get this ready to let with the fact that they still

437
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 have construction money, we'll have a good chance of getting this road funded during

438
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 that 26, 27 UTP period.

439
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:03,120
 Outer loop, does anybody want to talk about the outer loop, nothing's really going on?

440
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:10,280
 We had our series of stakeholder meetings back in October and November, and we are analyzing

441
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 those comments.

442
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 And then once we get them back, LJ will come back to the county and the state, show them

443
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 the comments, and then we'll come back to you all and show you what we heard.

444
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 And then there's a test on the acronym, it's open book.

445
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 I was looking forward to a test.

446
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:34,920
 We had those ABCD subjects, and I know that the implication of your statement a second

447
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 ago was we're waiting to figure out what the final alignments of A versus B and C versus

448
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 D. You sense which way they're leaning, whether it's Rector or Ganzer or any of the others.

449
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 I can tell you, the technically preferred, I got a second question.

450
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 The technically preferred alternative is the alternative that ends at Milam.

451
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 That's the technically preferred.

452
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,160
 But since this is an EIS, an environmental impact statement, which is the highest level,

453
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 we have to take two viable alternatives all the way through the EIS process.

454
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 So even though we don't think Rector is technically preferred, we have to go through it because

455
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 there may be an environmental reason why Rector is more viable than Milam.

456
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,440
 So on an environmental assessment, I call these others.

457
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 What you do is you find out which is the technically preferred, you try to get it also to be the

458
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 locally preferred.

459
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 And if you get an alignment that's locally and technically preferred, then that's the

460
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 only one you clear.

461
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 And the rest of them you dismiss because of random reasons, whether it's environmental

462
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 or local government, opposition.

463
00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:45,680
 But in an EIS, you got to take two through the entire process.

464
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,280
 Okay.

465
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:54,640
 So we started at 78 alignments, and we got them down to four.

466
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 So I appreciate the filtering that's gone on.

467
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,640
 And well, I mean, it's just obvious, like, you know, Rector affects Sanger and Milam

468
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,640
 affects us.

469
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:10,720
 Well, your thoroughfare plan shows the outer loop on Milam, which is part of the environmental

470
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,560
 process is called community cohesion.

471
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,520
 So to the extent possible, we had to try to follow your thoroughfare plan.

472
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,680
 So the county thoroughfare plan, city thoroughfare plan, city Aubrey's thoroughfare plan, pilot

473
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:31,560
 points, Salinas, Collin counties, all points to the technically preferred alignment.

474
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,400
 But just because it's there doesn't mean we can't have to, we don't have to look at, and

475
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,960
 there's actually three alternatives, two viable and then the no build.

476
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,080
 And the no build is if you get through all the process, it's either too environmentally

477
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:51,920
 impactive, or it doesn't fulfill the purpose and need of the document that was you set

478
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,920
 as the need at the very beginning of the process.

479
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,920
 Sure.

480
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,280
 And then my second question was, and we have that lockdown section from the core at the

481
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:06,080
 trestle bridge, but there was some confusion in our last meeting, I've had some more discussions

482
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,680
 with various state stakeholders where I'm not clear, so I'm hoping maybe you can clear.

483
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,600
 I thought THC didn't like us to move the trestle bridge and there'd been some discussion about

484
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:22,400
 moving the trestle bridge to allow for better right of way development there over that fixed

485
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,400
 segment.

486
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,400
 Do we have any clarity on that?

487
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,240
 So yes, we've got two approaches.

488
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:38,020
 One is propose a deck scenario that stays within the core of engineers footprint and

489
00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:41,400
 doesn't impact the trestle bridge.

490
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:47,040
 Get the project cleared, be able to move forward with the rest of the project, come back after

491
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,880
 it's cleared and go fight the fight with the core, because you can beat the core of engineers,

492
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,440
 it just takes time and money.

493
00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:01,320
 But if we want to get the rest of the corridor fixed, we may end up just surrendering the

494
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:08,080
 fight now, staying within the footprint, clearing all of it, and then come back and do a separate

495
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,440
 environmental document for that area.

496
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:17,840
 Now the core of engineers will let you go to a wider footprint, and they are less interested

497
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:27,060
 in that trestle bridge than the Texas Parks and Wildlife guys are, and the core supersedes.

498
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:32,320
 So we're going to try to accommodate it, but what we can't do is have a two billion dollar

499
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:39,800
 road that's supposed to be a part of a five county outer loop restricted for future growth

500
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,760
 for a half a mile where there's no development.

501
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,280
 And what happens is to stack it, you put the frontage roads on the bottom and the main

502
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:54,520
 lanes on top, if at any point there's an accident under, and there's a fire, the whole thing

503
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,620
 shut down.

504
00:31:55,620 --> 00:32:07,920
 So it doesn't have, what is it, redundancy, and it doesn't have future operability if

505
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,920
 we do that.

506
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,280
 So that's one.

507
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:16,180
 The second is, Congress has given us 50 million dollars to do that crossing.

508
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:23,900
 And so part of that is we're also partnering with the core of engineers to do that storm

509
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:30,400
 water, transportation storm water initiative, where everywhere this road, this 23 mile dam

510
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:37,360
 impacts any kind of waterway, we're going to go and buy flood rights north of that,

511
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:43,760
 and we are going to impound the water, and not impound it like slowly release it down

512
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,760
 the river.

513
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:50,800
 We're going to impound it, make it an aesthetic situation, and then use those impounded waters

514
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,000
 to find a way to do best management practices to push the water down into the aquifer to

515
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,280
 recharge the aquifer.

516
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,120
 And so the core wants that too.

517
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,240
 So we figure at some point the core is going to agree to what we want to do because we're

518
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,600
 giving them something they want and it's just going to cost us a lot of money.

519
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,620
 And right now we don't have any of the money other than the 50 million for fixing the problem

520
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:14,880
 at the crossing.

521
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:22,560
 So we're going to pan that out, and if we think that we can't get it vetted soon, we'll

522
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:30,720
 dip, do the deck, clear the project, and then come back and give us time to do the right

523
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:31,720
 thing there.

524
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,200
 I appreciate that, something else, and this will be like, I'm just going to whisper in

525
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:43,960
 the ears of local staff, I know that parks is responsible for some of the leases from

526
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:44,960
 the core.

527
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,280
 So the city of Denton leases some of it to Texas Parks and Wildlife, and Texas Parks

528
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,200
 and Wildlife leases some of that core land for the Green Belt directly.

529
00:33:54,200 --> 00:34:01,320
 And so I don't know how that mixture of leases back to Texas Parks and Wildlife now affects

530
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:06,960
 TxDOT and this whole process, so at some point, if there's some clarity, I would love to have

531
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,960
 some clarity.

532
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,840
 So we have to honor any contracts that the core has in that area.

533
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:19,720
 So like when we were widening 2499 across the lake, or when we did Lake Lewisville-Towbridge,

534
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:25,100
 there were parks in those areas that Highland Village or Little Lamb or Lakewood Village

535
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,080
 had, and they had rights, right?

536
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:34,260
 And then there's that yacht club north of the Lake Lewisville-Towbridge, they had rights,

537
00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:38,800
 so that's why you had that big arch in the middle of the lake, so that those guys didn't

538
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,520
 have to lower their mast to go under the, so we just spent $50 million on that.

539
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,180
 I just paid them to cut the mast off.

540
00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:53,260
 So all the contracts that are currently out there, we have to honor.

541
00:34:53,260 --> 00:34:56,560
 So that's part of the cost.

542
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,360
 The core language is surrender early and pay what they ask.

543
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,360
 So that's what we're going to do.

544
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,360
 >> All right, I appreciate it.

545
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,360
 Thanks, John.

546
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,360
 >> Okay.

547
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,360
 >> And that's it.

548
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,220
 >> All right, well, Ben, I have just been full of game one knowledge today.

549
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:12,160
 Thank you very much for your services, and we appreciate you coming through.

550
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,700
 >> It's all going to change like in two weeks.

551
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:14,700
 I just don't know how.

552
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:15,700
 >> Okay.

553
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,400
 Well, we'll look forward to seeing you in a few months.

554
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,400
 >> Thank you.

555
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:26,360
 >> We're going to move on to items D. We are going to skip C. It has been pulled.

556
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:39,240
 But we're going to go ahead and go to D. MC 25-004, staff memorandum, the 2019 bond program,

557
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:57,000
 UPRR agreement, Bush Creek.

558
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,840
 >> Trevor Crane, director of capital projects.

559
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,480
 These came up from some questions that were brought up last time.

560
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,380
 Staff provided response to those.

561
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:09,040
 So really, just if you all have any additional questions that we can answer at this time,

562
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,600
 myself and some other staff are here.

563
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,400
 >> Well, I'm just pleased to see that Janie Street is part of a project now.

564
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,400
 >> Yes, ma'am.

565
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,320
 >> And they're going to be happy about that in that neighborhood.

566
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,320
 Anybody else have any questions?

567
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,320
 Let's start down.

568
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,640
 Okay, let's start down here this time.

569
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,760
 >> So when it comes to hawk beacons and other crosswalks, I just had some questions about

570
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:39,120
 the city's approach to determining where those should be installed.

571
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,720
 Is this engineer's best judgment is kind of the approach that we take or are we looking

572
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:45,800
 at warrants for these?

573
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,800
 >> Good morning, chair and commissioners, Chandra with transportation services.

574
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,960
 So when we consider pedestrian hybrid beacons, it's a combination of a number of crosses

575
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:03,880
 at pedestrians or bikes that crossing their roadway, and there is no set metrics.

576
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:10,880
 Like Tony, Tony is a rule of thumb when Tony pedestrians cross in one peak hour.

577
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,600
 That is one consideration.

578
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,440
 In absence of pedestrians, but if there is any fatalities or near misses or if there

579
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,640
 is serious injuries in a location, that is a factor as well.

580
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:29,880
 And also we need to consider the cost of building these on roadways which would be $150,000

581
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,480
 to $200,000 per location.

582
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,320
 >> So you said 20 crossings in a peak hour.

583
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,560
 I guess how do you just determine the study area for that, right?

584
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:55,080
 So there's like the parking lot kind of opposite east side on the south side of Oak Street.

585
00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,560
 If I'm crossing at like one end of that parking lot on the east end of that parking lot and

586
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,880
 then somebody else is crossing on the south end of that parking lot and somebody is crossing

587
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,840
 at that Austin street intersection, does that all get grouped into one crossing area?

588
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,840
 >> Yes.

589
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,320
 When there is a request comes in, we usually go and count and make observations and make

590
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,280
 the determination if it's needed to be funneled into all into one crossing.

591
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,280
 >> Okay.

592
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,280
 Thank you.

593
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,280
 >> Okay.

594
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,280
 Yes, sir.

595
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,680
 >> I'm just going to pick it immediately from there.

596
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,480
 So it's all intersection and mid-block crossings that count to the 20?

597
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,720
 >> It's mostly -- it's -- PHBs are used at mid-block crossings.

598
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:34,720
 >> Right.

599
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,920
 >> But in terms of volume and the reason -- I'll put context on my question.

600
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:52,260
 If you are having people jaywalk, then they're crossing against the guidance of the layout.

601
00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:54,560
 So how do you determine that?

602
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,640
 Because if you had a controlled crossing, they would cross it there.

603
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,920
 So the flow is obviously directing them away from the region, but their desire flow is

604
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,680
 to the mid-block crossing.

605
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,200
 So how do we determine 20 -- and I know you're not being hard and fast on the 20, but how

606
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,000
 do we determine that volume of need is, I guess, my question.

607
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,520
 >> So if there is a crossing, we only consider max of 300 feet.

608
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,420
 Beyond 300 feet, even if you provide an intersection with signals, people would be just not cross

609
00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:30,240
 it there, they would cross wherever they feel convenient.

610
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:35,240
 So anything that is within the 300 feet is where we consider -- if you provide one, they

611
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:39,640
 will be utilizing that crossing.

612
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,840
 >> Okay.

613
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:50,920
 Do we have a current plan for when we're going to put PHBs and how we're going to deploy

614
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:58,360
 them across the city and then sort of secondarily have a citizen request those in the best way

615
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,360
 possible?

616
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,960
 >> So there are not only PHBs, there are other like RRPs or even LED lights that we could

617
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,960
 consider.

618
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,060
 Based on the request, we make the judgment because it's not only we plan, we need to

619
00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:15,240
 have funds to implement those.

620
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:21,200
 So it's a combination of need and whether we have the funds to build those.

621
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,280
 >> But I guess I meant that more in terms of what's our current anticipated rollout

622
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,280
 of PHBs?

623
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,720
 >> We are studying four locations right now.

624
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:38,560
 McKinney Street at Jenin, McKinney at Mack Park, and there are other two locations across

625
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:45,920
 South Lake Park, so there is one other location, so we are evaluating it, and based on funds

626
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,920
 available, we would be able to build it.

627
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,240
 >> And is there a preferred way -- like I know like obviously Anderson's is very interested

628
00:40:54,240 --> 00:41:01,480
 in PHB, and there's been various requests for PHBs along 288, especially near the shelter

629
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880
 and Serve Denton and things like that.

630
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:11,720
 So how -- I mean, you don't have to necessarily answer today unless it's a short answer, but

631
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:19,880
 there is desire in the community for additional PHBs around, you know, high-trafficked, high-volume

632
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,440
 variant, and a way of requesting that would be really great.

633
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,440
 >> Sure.

634
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,600
 It's either Engage Renton or you could send it to us.

635
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,240
 We will evaluate and make the determination.

636
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,160
 >> Hi, Chandra.

637
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:39,760
 So you sort of hit on it, and so did committee member Bray.

638
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,960
 We said 20 pedestrians at peak hour.

639
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,720
 Is this a should or a shall?

640
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:44,720
 You said guideline.

641
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:45,720
 >> Yeah.

642
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,720
 It's neither.

643
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,720
 Tech Start uses the rule of thumb as a minimum Tony, but if there is an accident prone and

644
00:41:53,720 --> 00:42:01,120
 there is no Tony process, then we could -- it gives more authority for the traffic engineer

645
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,120
 to make the call.

646
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,120
 >> Okay.

647
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,120
 So just a guideline.

648
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,120
 >> Yeah.

649
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,480
 >> And then to make sure I got this right, you said the general cost is 150 to 250?

650
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,680
 Was that the upper level?

651
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,280
 >> It ranges, say, if you're building on a two-lane roadway, the steel equipment, you

652
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,000
 don't need a longer mast arms, but if you're building across a six-lane facility, the cost

653
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000
 would go up.

654
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000
 >> Was it 250?

655
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
 Was that the upper --

656
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
 >> 250, yeah, max.

657
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,480
 >> And then how does that compare to the cost of a typical intersection signal?

658
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,120
 >> Like signal, lately we are getting quote around $700,000 to $800,000 per location.

659
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,120
 >> All right.

660
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,120
 That's all I had.

661
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,120
 Thank you.

662
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,120
 >> Sure.

663
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,120
 >> Okay.

664
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,120
 We have one more question here.

665
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,120
 >> You said four PHBs are pending.

666
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,120
 Two McKinney, one on Tuesday.

667
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,120
 What was the fourth one?

668
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:48,920
 >> We have -- I have -- I don't have the location, but I can find out and let you know.

669
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,920
 >> Okay.

670
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,920
 >> But yes, evaluate it.

671
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,920
 >> That's why I didn't hear it.

672
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:52,920
 Okay.

673
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,920
 >> McKinney is disciplining it.

674
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,920
 Yes.

675
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,200
 >> I just want to provide one point of clarity.

676
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,520
 When Chandra is speaking, he's speaking to city-controlled streets.

677
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,240
 Keep in mind, tech-stock-controlled roadways, their standards are much stricter.

678
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:08,960
 And the second piece to that is that we're limited on funding.

679
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,560
 So again, he's doing a lot of evaluation, but it's not as if we're going to be putting

680
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,560
 these everywhere.

681
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,560
 So just --

682
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,560
 >> Sounds like we're going to have to meet another bond.

683
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,640
 Yes.

684
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:27,160
 >> Just in terms of things that go beyond kind of a standard zebra crossing, I would

685
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,960
 -- I was driving down Newton at Moore Street by Rivera today, and I noticed -- and I don't

686
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,560
 know if this is intentional or if this is just a quirk of the way that the road is settled,

687
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,240
 but there is a slightly actually elevated crosswalk there.

688
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:42,400
 So I thought that was great, and I'm always open to seeing more of those around town.

689
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,400
 >> Sure.

690
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,480
 I haven't seen it, but I will take a look at it and circle back.

691
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,480
 >> Elevated crosswalk.

692
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,600
 >> I'd be happy to show you after the meeting on collapse.

693
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,600
 >> Okay.

694
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,600
 >> Okay.

695
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,600
 >> I have one more question on the next item.

696
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,760
 >> Oh, okay.

697
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,160
 >> The next item, the UPR agreement.

698
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,160
 Rush Creek crossing.

699
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,400
 Can you scroll that up a little bit?

700
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,400
 That right there.

701
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,400
 Yes.

702
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,400
 You had a question?

703
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,400
 >> Yeah.

704
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:14,120
 No, I know generally we're looking for a 90-degree crossing in crossings in general as a principle,

705
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:23,320
 but given the layout of Bonnie Brade Parvin, that region, like I'm having trouble visualizing

706
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:28,200
 what we're intending to do, especially in light of the other Bonnie Brade projects.

707
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:34,280
 So could some sort of alignment clarity, could you kind of describe or somebody describe what

708
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,520
 we're talking about in that region?

709
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,520
 >> Sure.

710
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,800
 Currently, Bonnie Brake terminates at US 377.

711
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,960
 It's at an angle, and it's an unsafe crossing so far.

712
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,520
 And there is another crossing to the south of that at Johnson that hits at 377.

713
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,800
 So this project is based on our mobility plan.

714
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,600
 Rush Creek hits at 377, it right now terminates, but it will extend all the way on the western

715
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:07,240
 side of 377 to go to 35, turns into Aldred, based on our mobility plan.

716
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:12,800
 So with this project, what we are trying to do is close Bonnie Brake crossing and Johnson

717
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,920
 crossing, that's UPR guidelines, to trade two crossings to get one new crossing.

718
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:27,400
 And this new crossing will provide six lanes with the quiet zone, traffic light, and preemption,

719
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,040
 which is a much more safer crossing than Johnson or at Bonnie Brake.

720
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,040
 >> Nice.

721
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,240
 >> Yes, sir?

722
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:40,760
 >> And just to tag on to that, so the south side of Sagebrook, the right of way has been

723
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,960
 acquired, this plan has been in the works for years.

724
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:54,280
 So the Bonnie Brake crossing will close and it will go through that south of the Sagebrook

725
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,280
 subdivision.

726
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,280
 We can provide you with that.

727
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,280
 >> I was going to say, do we have an alignment?

728
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,280
 >> We do.

729
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,520
 >> Because I think 99% of my questions would be answered if I could visualize the alignment.

730
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,400
 >> It's much simpler, it's much cleaner, so absolutely we'll provide that.

731
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,400
 >> Perfect.

732
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,400
 >> That would be great.

733
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,880
 And when you provide that to him, just provide it to all of us on the committee.

734
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,880
 >> Absolutely.

735
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,880
 >> Thank you.

736
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,880
 Yes?

737
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,160
 >> I have to follow what he said that a lot of visuals would help me as well.

738
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,080
 When I first read this, I was completely in the wrong location, but I think I understand

739
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,440
 where we are now.

740
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:30,520
 So my question is on the Brushy Creek, Hickory Creek, is that part of our Hickory Creek widening

741
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,880
 project, the bond funded project?

742
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,880
 I just want to confirm that.

743
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,520
 >> It's on the eastern side, yes.

744
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:45,860
 The Hickory Creek terminates at bond 377, that is in the -- yeah, 1830.

745
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:51,040
 >> And then, so at the new crossing, and I do know this rule of to create a new crossing,

746
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,640
 we are required to close two.

747
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,640
 >> That's right.

748
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,240
 >> On the new crossing, so we said it would be six lanes, as part of the 2019 Hickory

749
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,320
 Creek widening bond project, there was bike/ped infrastructure.

750
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:08,880
 So my question is, at the crossing, will the quad gates also block the bike/ped infrastructure?

751
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,880
 >> No.

752
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,560
 >> Just to give a more active, hey, you should stop?

753
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:20,680
 >> It's only for the vehicles right now, because quad gates are optional for pedestrians, and

754
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:29,280
 cost would be exponentially high, but as far as railways, it's optional, they give it justification

755
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,960
 based on what we recommend, but usually on pedestrians, we provide the Z gates, they

756
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,360
 kind of navigate like a maze and hit perpendicularly to the tracks.

757
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,200
 >> So I know road width is going to impact it, but I have seen in other cities where

758
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,720
 a single gate could block both, so you didn't buy an extra gate, you just had a gate that

759
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:54,000
 could block both, and a lot of folks do struggle with the Z gates, because it's really for

760
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,000
 pedestrians, not bikes, so people with cargo bikes, bike trailers, they really struggle

761
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,280
 to navigate that, so on the DCTA rail trail, a lot of people just go around them, because

762
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,840
 it's hard to navigate, so if we can do something that's more friendly to more people, that

763
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,800
 would be ideal, especially if it's one of those options where we don't have to add an

764
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,240
 additional gate, because I know those are expensive, but I know there's an option in

765
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:20,800
 some cases, depending on the road width and things like that, to possibly have the same

766
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:28,560
 arm block bike path and the car lanes, potentially. >> It depends, we can evaluate it, but when

767
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:35,680
 you go to like a six-lane facility, already the arm lengths has to go span across three

768
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:42,600
 lanes, there is a sag, but when you incorporate pedestrian elements, the gates have to be

769
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,800
 even more longer, but since it's a new roadway, new location, we could evaluate it.

770
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,600
 >> That would be ideal if we can figure out a way to make that happen.

771
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:59,320
 >> I think that's a reasonable ask. It seems logical. Okay, anybody else on this topic?

772
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,880
 All right, well, Dean, thank you very much, we appreciate it. All right, we're going to

773
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:10,640
 move down to EMC 25-005, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction

774
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:18,240
 regarding future meeting topics. Also, I'm going to read this so I don't forget this,

775
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:23,320
 agenda information sheet and future items matrix. I never get a chance to look up to

776
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,480
 see that it's actually there, so yeah. So here we are.

777
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,800
 >> Sure, so Trevor Crane, Director of Capital Projects, again, I'll run through these rather

778
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,480
 quickly. So the 2019 bond program, Janie Street, we provided that update, we'd like to request

779
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:46,560
 to remove that. The next couple will be updates that we'll provide when they're completed.

780
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:52,140
 So citywide parking study, collision reduction statistics, concerns for bicyclists and pedestrian

781
00:49:52,140 --> 00:49:57,320
 safety on north and south Austin, and then growing the Bice Bus program, those are all

782
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,440
 being worked on now, and once we get those completed, we'll provide those. Next is the

783
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:08,520
 hawk best practices, so that was provided today. We did give some additional questions,

784
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:16,200
 so we'll probably need to leave that one on there just to finish that one out. Increasing

785
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:24,040
 wrapped equipment, box locations, that was provided in November 20th to 2024, so I would

786
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,240
 request that we remove that one, unless there's additional-

787
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:28,640
 >> We have a project.

788
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,640
 >> It's coming back. Oh, sorry.

789
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,640
 >> Oh, it's going to come back.

790
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,640
 >> It's going to come back. Thank you, Jasmine. McKinney Crosswalk, we'll provide an update

791
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:36,800
 when that one is available.

792
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,360
 >> Now, can I verify that that's the Crosswalk near Janie Street by the-

793
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,720
 >> I'm not sure which one it is. We'll go back and check the notes and make sure that

794
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:46,720
 we have-

795
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,080
 >> I know that's the one that I requested, and so I'm not sure if anybody else has-

796
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,080
 >> It's probably it, but let me verify.

797
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,080
 >> Okay.

798
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,760
 >> And then we have our quarterly transportation mobility project status that'll come back

799
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:02,240
 next quarter. Quarterly construction report and trip report that'll be coming back as

800
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:08,960
 well as our transportation services report. Those are all on a quarterly update schedule.

801
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,040
 Quiet zone realignment for Mingo and Riddell, that's being worked on along with our side

802
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,720
 path and trail access, that was also being worked on as well. And then traffic calming

803
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:25,280
 measures was provided, and that one's coming back as well. Jasmine's nodding her head at

804
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,280
 me.

805
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:32,000
 >> I think now we can take anything additional that y'all would like to add to the future

806
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,000
 items list.

807
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:42,120
 >> I know that I am going to or going to have some conversation about Moore Street. Would

808
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:49,120
 this be included on this list, or is this already off this list, but we know that it's

809
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,120
 coming.

810
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,520
 >> Sure. So that meeting on Moore's is tomorrow, and we'll go through that project with you.

811
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,520
 >> It comes on the meeting.

812
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,520
 >> Yes, ma'am.

813
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:01,320
 >> All right. I'll look at my calendar. I think that was the only thing in my -- oh,

814
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:11,080
 you know what? I would like for you all to add Spencer Road -- no, Spencer? Yeah, Spencer.

815
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,920
 Between 288 and May Hill.

816
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:14,920
 >> Okay.

817
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:20,760
 >> It's just the numbers are increasing on that road. And we had initially had a complaint

818
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,480
 from the senior citizens that live on that road, that community there. They're concerned

819
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,120
 about increased back and forth because of the new apartment complex.

820
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,160
 >> Okay. So an evaluation of widening that road?

821
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,880
 >> Yes. Kind of looking at the evaluation. As a matter of fact, and this is kind of personal,

822
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:42,320
 I want to say this real quick, I was coming out from Walmart and coming back behind the

823
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,400
 buildings. You know how you can kind of go behind those buildings? And I was making a

824
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,560
 right turn there, just kind of evaluate the area, and just right to the right at that right

825
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:56,000
 turn, there's a really deep kind of gully type thing. I was going to put it on engaged in,

826
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:01,360
 but I just never did do it. So I'll just ask you all to please evaluate that area as you're

827
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,360
 doing that.

828
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,860
 >> Yes, ma'am.

829
00:53:03,860 --> 00:53:10,760
 >> The other thing that I may -- what are we doing on -- I know Moore Street -- no,

830
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:17,720
 yeah, Moore Street turns into -- I don't know, but it's got a crossover 288.

831
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:21,720
 >> What's that? Say it again?

832
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,720
 >> Sadie Shores.

833
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:29,800
 >> Sadie Shores. And I saw some work being done over in that area.

834
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,800
 >> Okay.

835
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:38,240
 >> By maybe about a -- by Kimberly, kind of up in there. And I didn't recognize what was

836
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:39,720
 going on. Were you all looking at that?

837
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:41,880
 >> Yeah. Take a look at it. Yes, ma'am.

838
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:47,160
 >> And I think that's all that I had. I'm going to start on this scene. Go ahead. Yeah.

839
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:55,840
 >> So what I'd like to try to discuss is with all the construction we've got going around,

840
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,840
 sometimes if you're walking or biking, you'll hit a dead end, like sidewalk close, something

841
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,560
 like that, and there's no detour provided or suggestion on how to proceed. In some cases,

842
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,540
 like on Carroll, something with fewer pedestrian crossings, you don't know the sidewalk is

843
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:17,880
 closed until you're, you know, 15 minutes away from the closest legal crossing. So it

844
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,880
 tends to encourage people to cross at unsafe locations and that kind of thing. So maybe

845
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,500
 this is a discussion at some point. I'm kind of curious if there's any additional policies

846
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:33,600
 we need to add to do things like giving advanced warnings of sidewalk closures before you hit

847
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:39,480
 the closure. And also what our process is for -- I know for -- is it temporary traffic

848
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:46,160
 controls, is that the phrase I'm looking for here? If there's a pedestrian or bicycle infrastructure

849
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:51,920
 at that location and that's blocked, we're supposed to provide some sort of detour unless,

850
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:58,220
 you know, there's certain reasons to not. So I'd be curious to sort of hear how we go

851
00:54:58,220 --> 00:55:03,560
 about creating the detours and how we decide maybe that we're not going to. So like an

852
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:09,920
 example right now is Hickory Street, pretty close to Welch. The bike lane ends. There's

853
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:15,280
 no detour. So especially when you've got an inexperienced bicyclist, having them merge

854
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,600
 kind of suddenly with car traffic kind of creates confusion and potential for collision.

855
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,280
 So I'm just kind of interested to hear our procedure for temporary traffic controls when

856
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,600
 we're going to close or block a sidewalk or a bike facility.

857
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,720
 Sure. So let me ask one clarification question because I think you may have brought up two

858
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:38,040
 separate items. So one is when there's construction. So that's kind of one item. And you hit that

859
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,200
 perfectly. Typically, they should be providing those advanced warning signs. So if you're

860
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,480
 not seeing those, let us know. And then secondly, when you talked about Hickory, it sounds like

861
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:51,640
 that was a permanent bike lane that just ends. Or is it due to construction?

862
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,920
 So Welch is under construction and some of the construction is sort of bleeding into

863
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,480
 the bike lane. So the pedestrian crossing and the bike lane right there are closed.

864
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,480
 Gotcha. Okay.

865
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:07,120
 So let me give you like a detour on that side. So that's just a specific example. Yeah. So

866
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:12,160
 also like I know there's requirements of how far in advance you warn people of detours

867
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,480
 and things like that. So looking at, especially when there's a sidewalk closure, whether it's

868
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,280
 a road construction or out on Mayhill one time, it was blocked for like a city facility.

869
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,680
 Just do we need to add something to policy to give more advanced warning at the nearest

870
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,840
 legal crossing so people know ahead of time? Sure. It's going to be closed across here.

871
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,080
 Yeah. I think that's going to be more of an enforcement issue, but we'll definitely provide

872
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:41,540
 something. Okay. Thank you.

873
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:47,560
 Yeah. I just want to put a pin in these because I'm not sure if it's a continuing item or

874
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:52,960
 not from the PHP. So I'd love to see that guidance brought forward. But then for call

875
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,160
 buttons in general, you know, we had the disabled gentlemen in the middle of the night at Rudel

876
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:05,040
 at university with a, you know, urban pacification button rather than an actual call button.

877
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:12,400
 Unfortunately, this gentleman, and I don't mean to be glib, but had to play Frogger and

878
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:19,840
 that unfortunately lost his life. And so I guess my question is how often, and I don't

879
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,640
 want the answer here because this is for future matrix items, but if we could get some clarity

880
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:35,360
 on how often we audit our PCBs and you know, when, especially on these arterials and larger,

881
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,520
 when, you know, what's our frequency of that? I don't want our pedestrians hitting the button

882
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:47,000
 and having to take their lives into their hands, especially for disabled folks, especially

883
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,040
 on the arterials and universities perennial. I mean, like I've come to this committee and

884
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:58,240
 counsel many times for Rudel and Nottingham Old North. These are sort of constant issues

885
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:03,840
 and it's not, it's because the neighborhoods span either side of a major, you know, strode

886
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:12,460
 that we had here in our town. And so I'd like some clarity, some updating in a future item

887
00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:20,080
 on frequency of maintenance of those PCBs and where we stand on that so that I can go

888
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:26,360
 back to the public and say that this was broken or, you know, that, yeah, no, we only do that

889
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:32,000
 every three years or every five years or, and we don't know the status of our PCBs.

890
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,400
 And I just, I mean, that's a huge spectrum. I just like to know where Denton is somewhere

891
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:45,080
 in the middle of that. Sure. Absolutely. Okay. DCTA is having a long-term planning meeting

892
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:50,000
 this weekend, and I believe that they may be discussing the addition of one or two routes.

893
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:56,840
 At their previous meeting, they also discussed merging some UNT routes, recombining, reconfiguring

894
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:03,140
 some things. So just maybe not next month, but at some point, I'd like to hear something

895
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:09,760
 about how those will impact the city and what we might be able to do to support those creation

896
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,360
 of the routes, right? If they're putting a stop here on university, can we, you know,

897
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:19,960
 build a sidewalk bump out or, you know, those sorts of things. Sounds good. And with that

898
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:26,880
 being said, do we know when the next time we're going to have DCTA to come in front

899
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,120
 of City Council? Or can we get a brief something from our representative to come and speak

900
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:40,720
 to us, to the Mobility Committee in this regard? Just have them in front of us in some kind

901
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:46,880
 of way. Do we have any idea of when we're going to be seeing them again? No, we can

902
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,640
 look at that and get back to you on what that might look like. We're attending the strategic

903
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:56,560
 planning session, so we'll provide that feedback. Okay. And maybe we'll just do it in a report

904
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:02,880
 form. Maybe we'll do an ISR type thing or, okay, because we still do have a representative.

905
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:09,120
 Yes, absolutely. Yep. Which I haven't actually seen in the last couple of years. Yeah, and

906
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:14,640
 they've been going to council, but I'll visit with Cassie on it. Please do. Thank you. Sure,

907
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:20,520
 we'll stay connected. And were you talking about maybe some cross, that's what they're

908
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:27,200
 going to be talking about, the strategic, you mentioned something about the buses not

909
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:38,440
 crossing one another or other? UNT has, I want to say around 10 or 11 routes right now.

910
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,800
 They're looking at just merging some of those because there's repetition of this bus follows

911
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,960
 this route, and then this second bus follows pretty much the same route, but with some

912
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,680
 divergences. Okay. And then also just like if they're adding a bus route somewhere, do

913
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,840
 we need to add a crosswalk? Do we need to add a hawk beacon to support that bus route?

914
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:02,600
 Things like that. Oh, okay. Also, if you all have an opportunity to add considerations

915
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:09,920
 for downtown, I know that we have a great downtown plan, and I'm not real, I am not

916
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:18,040
 me. I'm not real clear on how we're going to run our bus system through that space,

917
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:25,280
 if it at all. So that'll be part of the strategic conversation. Yes. Yes, sir. Because you all

918
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:34,280
 brought up that topic and because we delayed the autonomous vehicle item, I think it would

919
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:42,320
 be beneficial to staff to know that, at least myself, I'm going to have questions about

920
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:51,000
 how the DCTA scheduling interacts with something we would schedule if we do an autonomous vehicle.

921
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,640
 And so staff might as well be aware of that and sort of talk about that integration when

922
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:01,040
 we eventually bring that item back. I don't know when that's going to come back. It'll

923
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:08,360
 probably be another year. So there was some funding reductions unrelated to the new presidency

924
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:14,440
 that occurred last week, and so we're just going to wait for another year. We have been

925
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:19,440
 in constant communication with DCTA, so we're going to continue to work with them and work

926
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:24,040
 with them on routes. Again, why it is that we can provide some of the information from

927
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:30,200
 the strategic planning session to this group via an ISR or something. I think DCTA will

928
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,320
 really just report out to council, so you'll get that briefing from the representative

929
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:40,520
 directly at council rather than through this body, but we'll be certain to provide something

930
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,840
 related to kind of that planning. But just important to note that staff does meet with

931
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:52,520
 DCTA bi-weekly, so we're in constant communication. That's unfortunate because the last time we

932
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:59,340
 saw the TERS, they talked about this was coming before you in a week, so apparently the funding

933
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:07,080
 changed from when Vicki and I saw it a week ago to this meeting, so that's very unfortunate.

934
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:17,880
 The timing feels coincidental, but okay. So they reduced that. It's a very competitive

935
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:25,680
 process. DCTA wasn't completely prepared for this, so we were almost a little bit ahead

936
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,920
 of DCTA, so this will work much more in a collaborative way anyhow that we have a little

937
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,320
 better timing to get through the strategic planning process and then be able to put together

938
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:41,120
 a packet together to work on this. So we'll be looking at submitting in the fall or start

939
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:50,000
 the process in the fall for the early '26 awards. Thank you. Okay. Anything else? Future

940
01:03:50,000 --> 01:04:00,300
 items on the future items matrix. Oh, yes. Okay. I understand that we need to vote on

941
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:15,880
 the removal. The update. Okay, remove. Okay. So I'll need to get a motion. Also move. Second.

942
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:24,720
 Okay. All right. All in favor. Thank you. And with that being said, their concluding

943
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:49,520
 meeting is February next meeting. Oh, next meeting. 2626. Yes. I just want to say shout

944
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,640
 out to staff for the vision zero kickoff meeting is stakeholder meeting. Was that two weeks

945
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:01,000
 ago, something January 15th. Yeah. So I'm really happy that the city's continuing with

946
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:06,160
 trying to reduce traffic fatalities and serious injuries and great kickoff meeting to everybody

947
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:12,080
 that was there and or helped plan it or implement it. Yes, yes, yes. I had that in the back

948
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,860
 of my mind to say, but I'm glad you said it. Anything else? Well, I don't have anything.

949
01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:23,420
 So we are going to conclude this meeting at 1105 a.m. this morning. Everyone, please have

950
01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:27,040
 a great rest of the day and the great rest of your life.