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 Okay we are going to call the meeting to order. It is Monday January 13, 2025. It is 5 32 p.m.

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 If you will please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which

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 it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to be Texas one state under God one and indivisible.

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 Thank you guys. And I don't see anyone from the audience has signed up for to speak today.

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 Well we're good. We're good. So nothing there unless there's something I don't know about.

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 Okay let's go to item HLC 25-001. Consider approval of the December 9th 2024 minutes.

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 I move for approval. Thank you for that. I'll second it. And Lenny seconding that. All right approve.

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 Raise your hand say aye. Aye. I need to not approve. Okay thank you for that. Motion carries.

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 And our next item is HLC 24-062. We're going to elect a chair and vice chair

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 to the historic landmark commission. And so what we'll do now is take nominations for our chair.

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 I know that Angie. Excuse me. All right. And I would need a second. Okay thank you for that.

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 So we can vote. We don't need to do another right. Anyone else have want to make a motion?

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 Okay so Lenny has made the motion for myself and Shawn has seconded that. All in favor raise

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 your hand and say aye. Aye. Okay. Thank you guys. I'll save my reservation to be later.

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 All right and now we need to do vice chair so we need a motion for our vice chair.

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 I'll nominate Shawn. Thank you Lenny.

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 Thank you. And a second. We have a second. A second. Okay thank you very much. All right and

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 all right we have a motion and a second for Shawn. All in favor raise your hand say aye. Aye.

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 Any opposed? All right. Shawn you can keep your seat.

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 That's right. Thank you all. Appreciate that. All right we are going to continue on with HLC

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 24-060. We're going to receive a report and hold the discussion and give staff direction

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 on the historic landmark commission's request for our local historic designation of eligible

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 historic properties. So does anyone have one? By the way did you see the picture of Frosty up on

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 did you do that? Any word from that one? Okay anyone else have any properties that you would like to

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 It's a new year. It is an old brave new year.

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 Have we uh can I ask for a report or did we wait till after we?

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 Well it says and hold a report. Receive a report. So yes. I'm just curious if we have had any

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 response from the ladies club members to join us. They were invited a couple of times I believe.

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 I have not heard any. I haven't heard anything. Okay. Okay. Well in the spirit of new year new

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 you maybe we could send them another like hey we like do this pretty regularly.

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 No no no no. Oh she was asked a question. I was going to let you answer her.

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 I'm sorry. So Councilman Sherman had a question on who you were speaking of.

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 Oh and I told her. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Anyone else? You guys are quiet on this side of

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 the table over here. It's a new perspective. It is. Yes. Taking it all in.

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 Oh he's kidding. I mean we issued an invitation. Do we just not get any response or

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 or federation? The dead women's club? Yes. So Sean had Eric Bishner treat had extended an invite

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 and then at that time I talked about that there is that larger discussion that does need to happen

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 with parks department and everything because they are designated landmark property and parks has not

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 begun any of its discussions regarding Quigartown Park and what the I guess the design for the park

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 is in the future. So maybe that is potentially what kind of like is holding it up in terms of

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 there's no what is the discussion that's going to take place when we're kind of like ahead of the

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 game. Does that make sense? Yeah yeah well let's kind of get ahead of it right and say hey we're

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 interested. Correct yeah but I think it is a larger discussion where parks needs to be involved

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 since they would be the ones who have to maintain anything that does go into the park.

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 So if we if that's something that you all want to do I would say that's more of a matrix item

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 where we bring that forward and say have a meeting with parks department or parks board and HLC

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 and kind of starting the discussions of that historic narrative for at the Quigartown Park

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 design. And that's come up before and I thought it was on the matrix so that is our next item

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 on the agenda that we can move into that for any other discussion on eligible properties.

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 Okay let's move to that one that'll give us more in line. How about HLC

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 25-002 hold the discussion regarding the historic landmark commissions project matrix.

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 So these are our current requests that are on the matrix. We have two ongoing the historic

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 tax assumption discussion. I know we started that back in the summer. That's definitely coming to

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 you all in on February 10th so hopefully everyone can be in attendance that night. It's going to be

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 I think quite an interesting discussion to have and staff will be presenting three different options

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 to you all. So those are getting finalized this week and next so I think it'll be great.

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 We obviously last meeting there was that discussion regarding the marketing for

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 historic preservation program forming new partnerships. So that's going to be brought

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 back in early 2025. I figured probably not the best to have that on the February meeting.

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 which is going to basically piggyback on that historic tax assumption discussion will be the

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 our annual update which I've updated with the new 2025 goals that you all discussed last meeting.

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 So those are on here as well. And then all the meetings for the rest of the year.

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 But this is where I would recommend because the previous request was invite the Dent women's

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 group to come and have a discussion. And I believe like I said we discussed that in October and so we

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 had put that on pause but I think if we want if you all are interested in having discussion I would

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 make it a little bit more specific and state that we would like to have start the preliminary

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 discussions with the Dent women's club along with the parks board commission if that makes sense.

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 Yes it just seemed that the park is being redone and if the women's club members or participants

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 wish to have some say about what is written or flags or anything about that particular building

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 we would want to bring parks department in. But I think for just preliminary talking about it I

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 think it would be I don't think that's necessary. I agree with that just keep it more of just like a

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 get some opinion. Are you all looking for a conversation for them to tell you what they

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 would like to see once parks start from the plan what they envision their building?

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 And as as related to their property probably specifically right and its use and things and

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 I know there were some questions about lease conditions but we'll we can we'll handle that

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 as it comes but I'm just curious I'm just curious to hear whether it's that. Who holds the lease?

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 The city. So the city owns the property and the city federation of women's club.

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 They gave a lot. The lease is long. Okay. And when was it up? 100 years. 100 year lease. Yeah

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 but when was it up? I think 2028. Okay. Is it 2026 or 2028? Yeah yeah that's what I remember.

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 supposed to there when they redo the whole park and and have the tours and all there's

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 likely to be new signage relative to that building. So that's primarily it is signage it's not doing

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 anything to the building because that's protected right? Yeah we know we're not going to do anything

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 to the building per se. I just want to know because if they've got needs we don't know about

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 you know what I mean? It's like how is the building? I haven't been in there. I don't know.

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 and say tell us where your head's at what your needs are what kinds of things we can be looking

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 for and because yeah I mean while there's so many other pieces in this plan it would be really easy

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 to get overlooked I think for that to happen. And I think that the honest truth is that since

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 it's now Quaker Town Park and the story of Quaker County is to be told and whether everybody knows

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 it or not but the women's club were the ones who worked very hard to get the people moved out of

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 Quaker Town Park and the building was given to them as a thank you for having done that

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 and that story hasn't been told in the park and it will be this time so you know this was like

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 giving them a chance to come forth and. So I think this should be added to the matrix. I'm wondering

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 though if this should be more of an informal conversation versus putting them on the spot in

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 a meeting. Well I was thinking of an informal conversation but that's why I thought we might

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 have heard from them. Right well I don't know that we've laid it out like that to say hey we

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 would just like to have a discussion. I think it has to be a formal meeting for Quorum present

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 so that's why but an informal formal meeting but informal conversation within it just for them to

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 be free to speak what they think what their ideas are not that we can do it we can't say yes no

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 informal conversations with Denton Women's Club and I think if they I think for people knowing

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 they're being recorded that it's online they don't feel as free to express and have honest

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 conversation so that is my only and I'm not saying we don't want it to be transparent I don't I'm

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 not saying that anything's going to be hidden but I think if we're having a hard conversation like

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 the history of the Denton Women's Club I don't think we should be putting people on camera to

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 have that kind of conversation. Maybe further on down the line when there's more solid plans

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 I mean to have everyone you have to have a quorum so is there so we're going to ask legal is there

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 a way with any of that fit in a closed session at all? Not likely no I mean I think that

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 that would avoid the issues but yeah I'm not super hot on the idea of sort of out of meeting

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 discussions about what y'all are supposed to be talking about publicly here.

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 to see where they are if they've had any conversations and not feel like we're stepping

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 on any toes we're trying to reach out and talk to them from our setting point. Remember we just

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 check in with parks and see what they're talking about. I agree with I don't want to step on toes

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 going to ask for anything that requires that so just to just to have the conversation

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 comfortable with that and just that you know we're not holding anything in stone. If they would I

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 don't think we know until we try. Those are my thoughts. My concern is just that we not get to

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 the point that somebody is designated to write up something and perhaps put a plaque on the building

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 or something and they feel like they were left out and didn't have any input. That's so that would

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 still have to come through you all right so there would never be a point where a plaque is just put

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 up on their building because that's something that you all have jurisdiction over. So I see what

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 everyone's saying I just am coming from this point where staff has had other conversations and they

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 have been pretty emotional and they have felt targeted so I just don't want anyone to feel

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 whether it be myself or parks department and we we obviously didn't want that to be the situation

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 because it was information they hadn't heard before or they were unaware of history or what

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 was the reason for that? I think it was from what staff was kind of the feeling that staff I think

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 caught was that we were going to take what has been that history being established over the last

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 hundred years we were going to take that away if that makes sense even though that wasn't the kind

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 of conversation we were having it was just more like hey you know your lease is going to be coming

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 up let's have conversations and then so as staff I'm just trying to find a balance I don't want to

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 put anyone where they feel like they're on trial but at the same time we do need to have transparent

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 open conversations so I will let you all direct me as staff what to do but I'm just giving you all

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 some background as to why kind of I'm have been leaning towards more of like let's have a preliminary

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 we'll just have to be however the meeting is set up for that discussion I think it's just

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 the wording and how it's addressed just needs to be trend lightly yeah right that's why I was so

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 concerned that we at least open up the conversation before the action was to be taken yeah I'm still

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 catching that perhaps yes sorry do you think it would do any good if you talk to whoever's in

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 charge of federation again and to try to get the feel for what what kind of input they'd like to have

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 or actually and I think that Commissioner Sherman I'm gonna let you go because um so that sounded to

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 me like that their concern is that they may not be able to renew their lease I mean I thought

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 that's kind of what I heard and what you just said and if that's the case I understand they

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 all right we're talking about whether to talk about this and so getting into the details I'm

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 trying to understand why they wouldn't want to talk about it now I've heard it and and I know

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 a lot of these women so and I'm not going to talk to one of them I promise because this is the first

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 I've known of this I'm just trying to figure out why would there be a problem oh if it's about

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 not renewing their lease then they're probably I don't think it's about not renewing their lease

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 okay it's about the language it might appear on a marker and I think that's a very reason why we need

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 the communication and I think the wording even for staff to contact them needs to be this is not to

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 discuss xyz this is not and I don't mean putting it like that but these are the things this is

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 what we do not want we are not here to do that this is what our goal is and to open it up for

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 that communication that would be my ideal and that's why I'd like to see it on the matrix

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 and do we need two people to say put it on the matrix three we need three people so I need two

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 more to go with me here on to put it on the matrix okay fisher sherman yeah yes and also

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 fisherman again so we're good well so just to clarify what we're putting on the matrix so the

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 clarifying that's what i'm having so my idea was for staff to open the conversation for them to

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 which we have them clarified for us or are they already in place and we're just trying to now

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 property owners is that somewhat close to ballpoint i think i got a little confused what you're

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 trying okay so sorry these are prioritized anyway um but if that would help you all for me to

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 prioritize it that's fine or in terms i guess like of how they feed into one another if they do

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 but like continuation of historic tax assumption discussion obviously is ongoing that will be

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 coming in february once you all decide have that discussion chick pick your options then that's

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 going to trigger okay let's have that focus group of historic property owners to kind of talk about

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 the option that you all have chosen and discussed and then the two others are just separate thank

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 you that's clear yeah of course i'm happy to kind of group over that thanks only if you're

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 drawing lines yes of course i'm a visual person so i have a possible item but i want to hear

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 first anyone else has anything okay so i'm wondering in our historic districts around it and

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 on signs that we have or in signs going into the district coming out in the district those types of

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 things to maybe put on the matrix on to know what's there and if we should work on beautification

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 i guess i don't really know how to say say that but to um

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 make the designation pop that makes sense like have a lot of pride in that you're in a historic

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 district now that type of and and i know it's going to look you know is it on city property

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 if you put a sign there so i'd kind of like to know what is in each district and maybe thoughts

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 or what if we could do something what we might want to do so just to clarify or um so what

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 are you saying looking at kind of like streetscapes of what is in each district or looking at what

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 signage is currently i was thinking signage at heart and i'll tell you what prompted me this is

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 because i heard that for a few of our districts that they had put it on that district to actually

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 pay for signs and that type of thing and i've never heard that before because they're not like

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 a real hoa type thing yeah and with it being deemed having commissions over it with the city

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 i kind of my thought was that's kind of on us but i'd like to know what's there first if if we

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 thought hey let's do something or not do something um that was just my thought how many districts are

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 there are that three three and looking at another

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 oak and hickory and and bill so oak and hickory are separate so okay oh sorry oak hickory bell

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 abt and then um west oak okay west oak area sorry yeah okay i just thought for a new year

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 that so i need other people come along with me if you think that's it that was just a thought

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 coming in so i'd like to put that down as a discussion item um yeah especially to think

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 about how some of the other districts might be highlighted in a way that also helps to draw

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 attention and as you say some maybe even neighborhood crime and that fact

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 okay we have two we need one more

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 yeah yes i uh no i think i mean we got the opportunity to walk i only got to walk one

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 with y'all six children but um and it was the west oak that we did and it was you know in certain

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 parts that it's kind of clear in other parts it's not it'd be interesting to see what the signage

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 looks like and what how we might improve or make it a little bit more visible yeah

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 all right anyone else anything else

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 do we have oh sorry yeah i was gonna ask do we have days for the ribbon cuttings so

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 i do have some concluding items yes um so ribbon cutting days we're still waiting on a few more

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 responses um from folks so if you can let carly know um what your kind of preferred dates and

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 times are or days and times are for ribbon cuttings that'd be great um in terms of just

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 boot camp reminder for those who are participating i know there's three people coming this friday

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 for boot camp um in that we have one person attending the 31st so if you haven't responded

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 um let carly know also which date the 17th or the 31st if you can come for that boot camp um

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 they're both fridays uh in terms of kind of building off that boot camp uh meetings are only

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 now going to be really focused on special topic items that you all are interested in learning

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 about say like solar panels and everything the boot camp is going to be kind of that preservation

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 101 so we're not going to really be covering like certificates of appropriateness or um

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 designations all that kind of just like basics those are going to be held in the boot camp moving

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 forward um and so meetings will be for any special topics that the commission wants to learn about

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 um ebers farm update uh that is going to work session um city council work session on february

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 fourth um i know that a non-profit has been formed um by some denton citizens and they are basing it

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 off of a community center in born texas and i'm going to look up the name real quick because i

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 forgot to write it down but um it's called the cibolo center c-i-b-o-l-o center in born texas

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 b-o-r-m-e

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 now yeah it's born b-o-r-m-e it's burn bernie b-o-e-r-n-e yeah it has an extra e in bernie she said

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 it's just b-o-r-n-e oh yeah that's what i was looking for how was that legal i googled cibolo

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 center for conservation it's in bernie oh well the email that i got was born so okay so

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 okay okay we believe

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 but yes so it's the center so there's that discussion of me center and a non-profit has

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 been formed i'm not sure if that's gonna be part of the work session on the fourth i know that work

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 sessions being led by parks i was told by um miss howie tin that she had notified them about this

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 community center so um there might be more conversations but i want to give you all that

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 update so february 4th work session discussing evers farm um civic center pool quaker town pool

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 isr we're still waiting on parks to submit that to city council um as we know that came forward as

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 a two-minute pitch by a council member back back in october um but the isr has not been put in a

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 Friday report but so i'm still monitoring it and once that comes out i will forward that to you all

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 and then um that's it can you clarify one thing that you said for me yep so you said coas and

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 things won't come before us so yes so coas like so the educational part of coas and designations

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 and tax assumptions all that kind of stuff kind of your back to basics that's all going to be held

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 during the boot camp but no you will still be seeing coas any historic tax assumptions um but

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 no more like i guess educational yeah education of it it'll be held at the boot camp makes total

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 sense thank you for that because i'm sorry you know yeah thank you for clarifying and

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 one other thing and i don't know if there's something on a report can that we can get like

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 how many coas that you're doing or i'm not saying that you have to like but i think like hey we saw

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 uptake this month or you know i just wonder if the spring breeze on more coas and things

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 just she's busy yeah and the things that before had to come to the commission that now that you

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 take i think it's wonderful but i think there's things that you know just like how many we don't

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 need to know individually sure um i did give an update at the end of i did uh our annual update

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 which unfortunately we're not able to make that meeting on december 9th right so i kind of i gave

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 an overview of everything but uh next meeting on in february you all will be seeing three coas so

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 oh well okay windows windows windows um but yes i'm more than happy to kind of give you all like a

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 update and say hey we've gotten one coir oh i haven't gotten anything this month so i'm more

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 than happy to do that so that you guys can enjoy as we progress through the year no i think it's a

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 great idea and on that note i want to congratulate staff on their wins for 2025 and having it was a

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 record number of what was it properties designated yeah oh 2024 2024 yes sorry we just got here i

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 know that's right i'm still dealing with it still transitioning myself all right any other completing

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 items all right we will be adjourned at six oh six pm