WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.840 Good morning we are at the mobility committee Wednesday December 18 2024 10 00:00:10.840 --> 00:00:19.240 a.m. in our council work session room we do have a quorum this morning are there 00:00:19.240 --> 00:00:28.040 any citizens comments on the agenda items number two items were individual 00:00:28.040 --> 00:00:34.760 consideration a MC 2 4 - 0 4 3 consider approval of the minutes of November the 00:00:34.760 --> 00:00:46.960 20th 2024 so move a move and a second any kind of discussion all right so we 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:57.020 can go for vote is there any dissension okay we got one abstination all in 00:00:57.020 --> 00:01:05.800 favor say thank you we'll be going to be MC 2 4 days 0 4 for receiver report and 00:01:05.800 --> 00:01:10.680 hold a discussion regarding potential bollard uses benefits options the city 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:15.440 has improved cycling and walk link walking 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:33.240 Greg Scott city of Denton transportation services and today so today we're going 00:01:33.240 --> 00:01:42.720 to talk about bollards were as just a generic term to represent forms of 00:01:42.720 --> 00:01:52.160 separation on the roadways and the goals that are related to this are that city 00:01:52.160 --> 00:02:00.920 of Denton has said that the human life is the most important aspect of road 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:13.680 design that they want to as a strategy use physical features to encourage safety 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:27.000 and to encourage biking and pedestrian use through low stress environments and 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:37.400 bollards have a role in all those things they add real and perceived safety they 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:46.920 are very timely and can add safety that way we have some recommendations talk 00:02:46.920 --> 00:02:57.120 about some of the characteristics and go to questions so as far as real safety 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:04.080 studies have shown studies that are have been adopted by the US Department of 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:13.320 Transportation have shown that when added to a bike lane they cut auto versus 00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:24.960 bike crashes in half and boats are even more important over time as it seems 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:35.080 like our vehicles are getting bigger I've just drawn a full-size pickup not 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:46.080 the monster pickups but in comparison to a cyclist and typical bike lane to kind 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:52.120 of give us the kind of give a sense of why that's important why that sense of 00:03:52.120 --> 00:04:02.360 security is important important but I also wanted to introduce one of the many 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:10.840 many ways that bollards can be used that aren't so common at least here and you 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:17.400 can take bollards and it's called hardening the nose of the intersection 00:04:17.400 --> 00:04:24.240 so what it does is let me see if I can so in the before picture you've got 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:34.000 left turn lane you've got the striped median and oftentimes if we see a break 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:40.720 in traffic motorists will cross over this portion and do a kind of a wide 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:49.680 angle turn versus a more 90 degree turn and this would be even more true for a 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:56.240 lot of Denton streets that have that don't have left turn lanes right so you 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:04.640 you you have this wide zone of conflict between the pedestrians and bicyclists 00:05:04.640 --> 00:05:11.840 which are getting the walk signal oftentimes and the left turning vehicles 00:05:11.840 --> 00:05:22.760 and by by putting bollards in a grouping here and squaring it squares up the turn 00:05:22.760 --> 00:05:29.200 so it makes this cone of uncertainty what I called it or the conflict area 00:05:29.200 --> 00:05:38.440 shorter it makes it more comfortable for the cyclist or bicyclist and and 00:05:38.440 --> 00:05:47.440 arguably literally safer. So that's another use of bollards that we could 00:05:47.440 --> 00:05:56.840 consider but there are many many uses of bollards. Lastly I'm wanting to point out 00:05:56.840 --> 00:06:06.240 that because bollards are relatively inexpensive and easy to place those 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:14.880 opportunities through safety simply by doing things faster so I took a look at 00:06:14.880 --> 00:06:23.200 five years worth of crash data for fatal and significant injury crashes 00:06:23.200 --> 00:06:30.240 significant injury is where the person does not walk away they're incapacitated 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:38.120 and there were 56 of those and about half of those were in repeat locations 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:41.960 now I'm not saying it's the same exact cause I'm just saying that they were in 00:06:41.960 --> 00:06:52.680 the same area if if they were the same cause which I don't know being able to 00:06:52.680 --> 00:07:00.240 do something quicker could save lives okay it's kind of a mind exercise by 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:07.360 doing it quicker if we could solve that issue if it were one issue then we could 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:13.440 save lives and misery now a third of those were pedestrians and cyclists 00:07:13.440 --> 00:07:20.720 which are the you know most vulnerable road users so when you when you put 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:28.040 those together there's a lot of potential benefit from bollards used in 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:41.960 quick design build process projects and so that that is another benefit so three 00:07:41.960 --> 00:07:46.480 main recommendations and then we'll get to kind of some characteristics and 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:52.560 bollards after that but one recommendation is to keep and expand on 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:58.360 bollards use there are other opportunities besides along bike lanes 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:07.920 that we could do if if as I think we are looking at different types of bollards 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:14.760 we should continue to focus on their visibility they've got let's say if 00:08:14.760 --> 00:08:19.440 they're in a truck or something the driver needs to be able to look across 00:08:19.440 --> 00:08:27.920 the cab and see that there is a bollard there and have the mass so that if they 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:33.200 hit a bollard they know it which is increasingly difficult in a big truck 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:42.320 right as trucks get bigger and then even though I'm going to put some 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:50.880 typicals out there as recommendations I want to be clear that when it comes down 00:08:50.880 --> 00:08:56.880 to it the design the placement of bollards what they look like everything 00:08:56.880 --> 00:09:06.380 really should be context-sensitive so how fast is the road how much traffic a lot 00:09:06.380 --> 00:09:12.080 of conditions could go into that so there's a lot of variety of ways to 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:20.920 apply them so my hope is not to set a standard and say these are the way 00:09:20.920 --> 00:09:30.120 bollards should be and nothing else right that's let's make it relaxed so 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:37.560 I'm looking at different types of bollards by the definition we said it's 00:09:37.560 --> 00:09:43.680 separation so they can be extremely short that's a few inches that can be 00:09:43.680 --> 00:09:51.560 mixed and then kind of the typical one which is 30 to 42 inches is what you see 00:09:51.560 --> 00:09:56.840 and so that would be the recommended total and you could go up or down 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:04.120 depending on traffic and depending on speeds and a lot of factors the width 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:11.840 they can be very thin these are very interesting so they're extremely thin 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:18.000 and unobtrusive in a way you know these are kind of the typical ones you might 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:26.040 see in a construction area very wide and you know based on the the definition 00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:31.480 that we have called for bollards they can get even to parking putting parking 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:39.200 in between bike lane let's say in the curb or vice versa the bike lane in 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:47.600 between the parking and the curb interval spacing even within the city 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:53.880 of Denton we have a lot of variation on that so we have you know continuous on 00:10:53.880 --> 00:11:00.080 one end very very extreme on this one this is actually a construction site but 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:07.360 it can be very very frequent if you have a lot of trucks for example or just 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:15.320 simply highlighting we have a few roads in Denton where it's a residential area 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:22.400 and they just they've put a bollard where the driveways are so but it's very 00:11:22.400 --> 00:11:29.120 simple and not a lot in between so it's a it's not really a very obtrusive not 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:37.320 very expensive but it just highlights the most important areas and then 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:44.560 reflectivity that's kind of a new you know category because technology and 00:11:44.560 --> 00:11:56.600 reflectivity has really changed I think you may have seen retro reflective 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:01.360 reflectivity you caught you say it so it directly comes back at you and it looks 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:09.080 exactly like a light to me obviously that's more expensive but again these 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:15.280 are the range of options even going to lighting as you've probably already seen 00:12:15.280 --> 00:12:21.640 and then you know there's a lot of innovation that can be applied to it love 00:12:21.640 --> 00:12:31.800 this one got the orcas down to old tires that have been repurposed so with that 00:12:31.800 --> 00:12:40.160 you know this is really in a nutshell I've tried to compress the myriad of 00:12:40.160 --> 00:12:50.080 ways that bollards can be used some of their benefits so with that open it to 00:12:50.080 --> 00:13:00.240 our turn it back over to you thank you well I've been taking so many notes but 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:13.240 what I think we'll do is this historic this wing my first question is just you 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:19.120 cited a 56% reduction in collisions when bike lane bike lanes were protected is 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:24.520 that an absolute reduction or a relative reduction to the number of users of the 00:13:24.520 --> 00:13:30.120 bike lane like usage of the bike lane doubled this a 56% reduction work out to 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:35.800 still half of the crashes or about the same yeah because you might have 00:13:35.800 --> 00:13:43.960 increased ridership or not ridership but use right is what you're saying so it 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:51.400 would be on the same system so this is from the crash modification clearing 00:13:51.400 --> 00:14:01.280 house and and how it's used is that if you have a road with the same conditions 00:14:01.280 --> 00:14:08.720 that they specify it's both based on before and after studies so it would be 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:21.360 simply I think it could in account for increased increased ridership or in use 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:27.960 but I think I could get back to you on on more of that but that's the way it's 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:37.160 designed to be used is on this type of roads if you want to forecast crashes 00:14:37.160 --> 00:14:44.840 certain kinds of crashes that's this is how you would apply it if I could go 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:50.720 back to the kind of grouping of all of the different types of bollards so in 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:56.000 the third row there that third picture the one with the semi truck those aren't 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.880 installed bollards right those are those are placed bollards they just yeah yeah 00:15:00.880 --> 00:15:07.800 I just thought it was a kind of an example of a very frequent yeah placement 00:15:07.800 --> 00:15:15.840 so for those we could like I live off of Fulton we have the new elementary and 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:19.960 middle school on Fulton if we wanted to demo bike lanes on Fulton we wouldn't 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:24.280 even have to maybe install anything we could just place those oh yeah we'll see 00:15:24.280 --> 00:15:30.000 how it goes yeah yeah when I worked for Orange County we did exactly that yeah 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:36.980 we glued it down we glued them down and pulled them up afterwards and then yeah 00:15:36.980 --> 00:15:42.720 okay well if you if you want to hit up my street I'd love to see that and then 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:48.120 finally just on those placemaking and innovation ones I I just want to call out 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:51.920 that I think Denton does have some non-traditional bollards if we're using 00:15:51.920 --> 00:15:55.440 kind of an expansive idea of that which is just like those planters that we have 00:15:55.440 --> 00:16:01.440 on the downtown corners that are yay wide those are acting as bollards or I 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:06.680 think maybe my favorite example is is the dog start sculpture on the 00:16:06.680 --> 00:16:11.160 scripture and Bonnie Bray roundabout hmm which if you think about it as a 00:16:11.160 --> 00:16:14.800 bollard that prevents somebody from just driving straight over the roundabout 00:16:14.800 --> 00:16:19.240 okay so I think we're using those already and I'd like to see more of them 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:27.920 mm-hmm I love that yes sir yeah I am I appreciate the the sort of a high-level 00:16:27.920 --> 00:16:36.000 overview I one thing that I would I think would help me and hopefully would 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:42.000 help the committee is you know let's say start from this table there it's not 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:48.360 clear because you made the explicit point that the right the right traffic 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:56.760 control device in the right location right and so as we are sort of providing 00:16:56.760 --> 00:17:04.960 oversight it's not you know I understand there's like a wide overlap of any any 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.680 physical barrier will kind of function to some degree but what's the right item 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:17.160 in the right location you know do we need more traditional traffic bollards in 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:24.760 in like say dense downtown corridors or you know or is that better to have the 00:17:24.760 --> 00:17:32.280 art type in residential areas what are the best practices I know that dr. but 00:17:32.280 --> 00:17:39.160 and his team well all of y'all have been working on alternatives because say in 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:44.840 some residential areas there's there's a mixed response because they like the 00:17:44.840 --> 00:17:50.840 life-saving aspects of the bollards and not the aesthetics mm-hmm and so you 00:17:50.840 --> 00:17:55.200 have mixtures of those different types and so I guess my question is after that 00:17:55.200 --> 00:18:03.360 long preamble is as time allows I think it would be helpful for me and the 00:18:03.360 --> 00:18:08.560 committee to kind of understand your vision and the staff's vision for best 00:18:08.560 --> 00:18:15.360 practices and best applications and and and where you anticipate making 00:18:15.360 --> 00:18:23.400 recommendations for types of uses you know and and how that would play out so 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:29.440 that that was you any any thoughts before I ask a second question I think 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:34.920 what's the best use in the best place kind of thing yeah I think I had the 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:39.640 general approach which is just from a safety standpoint I mean that's where 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:45.360 staff comes in right is safety first and that is you got to look at your speeds 00:18:45.360 --> 00:18:52.120 you got to look at the vehicle mix how big the vehicles are and such beyond 00:18:52.120 --> 00:18:56.960 that there is just pure preference and I don't know if that belongs to us but 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:01.800 certainly when we go out to the public and talk to them we should be talking to 00:19:01.800 --> 00:19:08.400 them about what their preferences are right because it's it's aesthetic that's 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:15.560 you know my aesthetics are different than yours necessarily so so in in in 00:19:15.560 --> 00:19:21.720 that regard I noticed that and this will go to the I think sort of the the sort 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:28.320 of the cone of uncertainty the example that you gave mm-hmm some of these are 00:19:28.320 --> 00:19:32.120 are more expensive obviously like the old tires with reflectors are super 00:19:32.120 --> 00:19:37.800 probably super cheap how we attach them to the ground and how much it cost to 00:19:37.800 --> 00:19:42.420 bake them I know that our current sort of four or five inch bollards that we 00:19:42.420 --> 00:19:50.240 like to use are are fairly inexpensive and quickly replaced but now back to the 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:54.640 cone of uncertainty I know that I notice we clip them a lot all over town not not 00:19:54.640 --> 00:20:02.200 on Parkway and Congress because they're about two feet apart but anywhere where 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:06.360 they're irregularly apart we get especially at the intersections in Old 00:20:06.360 --> 00:20:12.080 North and stuff they they you're taking them out all the time so I'm I'm curious 00:20:12.080 --> 00:20:17.240 one thing that would help me in the future and recommendations is is sort of 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:23.160 knowing that interplay of replacement cycle and and damage like I would love 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:28.600 to have like the orca one from I assume that's Puget Sound area but that's 00:20:28.600 --> 00:20:33.040 lovely and I could we could all imagine old Texas ones or something you know 00:20:33.040 --> 00:20:38.120 here in Denton but not if our trucks are gonna do wide curves and clip them and 00:20:38.120 --> 00:20:44.200 force $10,000 replacements every time yeah that we have that so you know like 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:50.920 that that's sort of interplay of cost and aesthetics and safety all at the same 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:58.840 time I would love some comment on that. Good morning Jim, Farhan Butt, Deputy Director 00:20:58.840 --> 00:21:05.400 of Transportation Services. Yes we are looking into that aspect and we there 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:10.740 are many options as Greg presented and we are filtering down the option that 00:21:10.740 --> 00:21:17.000 would serve as standard for our context sensitive cases based case by case basis 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:24.120 we can decide but we are evaluating that as we speak and in that evaluation I 00:21:24.120 --> 00:21:28.720 mean I'm gonna encourage you to bring in some of the like you know the public art 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:33.720 community I mean if you I mean I I think we all reacted to some of the the pretty 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:39.280 ones yeah and so that might be an opportunity to get some synergies but 00:21:39.280 --> 00:21:44.160 obviously the safety first and yes we will share we'll circulate we'll share 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:51.760 that information once we finalize do you have sort of a timeline and this is the 00:21:51.760 --> 00:21:54.560 end of my questions chair you have a sort of timeline and when we're gonna 00:21:54.560 --> 00:22:03.120 dial into this sort of thing this will be likely we could we could do something 00:22:03.120 --> 00:22:23.280 maybe in February okay yeah I'm just writing some notes here for myself I it 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:30.040 sounds like there might have to be a little committee or something to kind of 00:22:30.040 --> 00:22:34.120 gather up some thoughts you know as you all are putting it together bringing in 00:22:34.120 --> 00:22:39.400 a community member you know rather than us sitting here and in kind of acting 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:44.280 like the committee in sort of that sense so when you come back to us you will 00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:50.120 have something full for us to you know kind of yay and a and then we'll move it 00:22:50.120 --> 00:22:58.240 on to wherever else it goes but just kind of you know I don't want this to be 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:02.400 your committee that you're looking for because we have so much other stuff to 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.640 do so yeah we're looking forward to you all bringing something back for us just 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:12.320 a couple of things I have noted here I did make a firm statement that I do not 00:23:12.320 --> 00:23:18.400 like about bollards but maybe it was a statement more of I do not like the 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:27.000 bollards that I see in then because I am very you know pro use we do need these 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:32.280 bollards in a sense so I appreciate the recommended typical bollards page that 00:23:32.280 --> 00:23:36.560 you have here so we can pull our thoughts together on that but I do know 00:23:36.560 --> 00:23:44.000 that over on old north you know around here on Parkway I'd like to I don't 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:49.820 think that we've heard an update on how people are gauging that you know have we 00:23:49.820 --> 00:23:54.400 had some communication from the community about you know hey we hate 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:57.640 these things get them out of the way we keep clipping our cars on these things 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:03.800 maybe it's the wrong kind of bollard you know like you said it could be it has a 00:24:03.800 --> 00:24:08.560 purpose but the aesthetics part and the practicality part you know you guys are 00:24:08.560 --> 00:24:14.640 gonna be putting that together so the other thing for those site is there a 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:19.800 such thing as a sight unseen road I'm thinking about this road right here 00:24:19.800 --> 00:24:25.880 it's Parkway Oakland goes over into Parkway and that the bout bollards that 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:30.900 are there they start at withers and they kind of wrap around all the way down to 00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:38.160 Carol just right here I'm just using that term because I didn't know the other 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:46.680 term but have you all had any kind of you know what are the people saying 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:50.520 about that what's the what's the comment on that does anybody have you all had 00:24:50.520 --> 00:25:03.080 any comments from the people Susie what are we saying for Han but every director 00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:09.760 transportation services we we have we are looking at all North as a as an 00:25:09.760 --> 00:25:17.200 example North yes and we are we have some comments on that and we we are 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:22.000 utilizing those as a feedback for the evaluation process okay there are other 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.040 places as well but I think mainly we are looking at all north and we'll be 00:25:26.040 --> 00:25:29.880 drafting a report soon and share with the mobility committee and then of course 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:34.880 over Fulton you know where the new school is and all of that we haven't 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:39.580 heard anything but good positive things about that area it sounds like yep okay 00:25:39.580 --> 00:25:46.200 sort of Crescent yeah I say full time Crescent yes okay the new ones yeah 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:53.440 yeah thank you and then why do I have a university drive on here I don't know 00:25:53.440 --> 00:26:01.040 why and then oh I wanted to ask a question about bike lanes is there a 00:26:01.040 --> 00:26:05.280 standard for the width of the bike lanes or do they I know you could put two and 00:26:05.280 --> 00:26:12.440 two but what about that with each one the guidance is minimum four feet okay 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:19.400 minimum and but protected bike there's a great variety of that obviously the more 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:25.040 room you get the more comfort and probably actual safety protected bike 00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:30.440 lanes are something that you have two stripes you basically have about two 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:39.320 feet of striping between the the general purpose lane and the bike lane so that's 00:26:39.320 --> 00:26:47.060 that's six feet that's also another kind of classic version but but I would say 00:26:47.060 --> 00:26:53.240 like everything there's people are going to bike you've got a you've got a 00:26:53.240 --> 00:27:04.040 accommodate and you give them the best you can all right thank you so you 00:27:04.040 --> 00:27:09.600 mentioned something about the most important areas there was a statement 00:27:09.600 --> 00:27:16.880 that you made that we will look at the most important areas yeah I mean I don't 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:23.680 know that I meant that necessarily but I mean I just but my question is my 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:31.920 question is how is that decision made I mean who makes you all are going to be 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:38.720 coming together and making that decision based on standards more so or more based 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:46.480 on the complaints and the nature by which the citizen and the type of bike 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:51.880 lane that they might want because as I understand right now it is about 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:56.920 aesthetics it has a purpose but it is more about aesthetics that's what I 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:04.400 heard who is going to help make that decision well often on what type of bike 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:09.840 the most the most clear way that I think we're going to be addressing this is 00:28:09.840 --> 00:28:15.360 through vision zero which once we identify some of the hot spots where 00:28:15.360 --> 00:28:22.920 there's a lot of crashes due to lack of separation then those will be good 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:28.680 targets for creating that separation and bollards would be one of that toolbox 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:36.400 okay all right well that is all that I have we are supposed to pretty much 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.960 wrap this up they gave me 30 minutes to actually talk about this but of course we 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:46.000 know how fluid we are so what I'll do is I'll ask for at least another 10 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:51.120 minutes and we'll pull some time away from something else but let's go up 00:28:51.120 --> 00:29:02.320 continue on with your questions I love the the shark fin and I and I could see 00:29:02.320 --> 00:29:07.200 that big I have a great place near the water park or by the splash pad or any 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:12.120 place where there's water I think that I really really like that the the term you 00:29:12.120 --> 00:29:16.680 used early in your presentation hardening the nose yes tell me how that 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:21.920 tell me what that I know I know I saw the graphic yeah but where's the nose 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:29.360 the nose section so like if you had a physical median right with curbs that 00:29:29.360 --> 00:29:34.920 would be a hard nose you couldn't drive easily drive over it right to make the 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:41.080 left turn I'm going the wrong direction left left turn so by using boards which 00:29:41.080 --> 00:29:46.440 would otherwise be something you could easily drive over the bollards create 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:54.280 that barrier and it hardens the the nose the the tip of that I see that median 00:29:54.280 --> 00:30:04.400 okay and that brings me to something else when when a motorist hits a bollard 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:11.240 they need to know they hit it but it but do you agree that it needs to do no 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:17.360 damage to the vehicle hitting the bollard well I think that's context 00:30:17.360 --> 00:30:23.760 sensitive too I mean every we've put if you hit those shark fins I don't know 00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:31.000 that it would do absolutely no damage but you know all these things are 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:37.320 engineering judgment that need to be applied based on the circumstances again 00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:45.040 I mean if there was like a zoo with a bunch of you know our elementary school 00:30:45.040 --> 00:30:53.320 with a bunch of kids you could see you know at some point you might want to use 00:30:53.320 --> 00:31:06.420 a more drastic options which brings me to another question what's under the 00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:12.280 bollard oh what what's literally under it oh it varies right I mean they've got 00:31:12.280 --> 00:31:16.880 ones that are mounted on spring so they can come back over there a lot of the 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:23.080 ones that we see they're just glued to the asphalt and I mean it varies as much 00:31:23.080 --> 00:31:29.200 as there are bollards very right some are implanted are in the ground a lot of 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:34.420 them if one were to hit one of these would it do damage to one's car I'm not 00:31:34.420 --> 00:31:38.200 a familiar with these ones exactly I don't know what's like probably not okay 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:51.960 it looks like I'll take I'll take a cue from the audience you might get a you 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:57.080 might get a Buffy scratch on your bumper but like you get it's nothing they are 00:31:57.080 --> 00:32:01.440 actually bolted down the ones that you're talking about on the side yeah so 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:07.480 they are not glued so yes they they may have some minor damage I mean fender 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:15.480 fender but it's not gonna be tossed sure okay and it's for uniformity I can see 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.680 how one would how a city would would need to limit the number of bollards 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:24.400 because you're gonna if one gets knocked over you're gonna want to replace it you 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:30.960 don't want to replace a tall skinny one with a fat short one fair enough so so I 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.400 can see how one would want to limit the inventory if that's the correct term of 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:43.800 yeah of bollards yeah this is not an easy thing to put in a box very big 00:32:43.800 --> 00:32:49.020 variety but there is definitely advantages to limiting your inventory so 00:32:49.020 --> 00:32:54.080 you're not yeah I think that's all I've got did I mention I like the shark fin 00:32:54.080 --> 00:33:02.000 go ahead hi thanks for this presentation I just want to emphasize just anybody 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.200 who might be watching that bollards are a game-changer in terms of getting 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.540 people to use the bike lanes that we're spending money building but it also 00:33:10.540 --> 00:33:15.680 gives access to this form of transport to more people including our youngest 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.960 residents our oldest residents Dutton has surveyed residents on just their 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.520 opinions and perceptions of bike lanes a few times I think there was like a 2018 00:33:24.520 --> 00:33:30.760 one we had the audit I think earlier this year or last year maybe and every 00:33:30.760 --> 00:33:35.920 single time people tend to like some people feel safe in an unpainted or in a 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:40.880 painted unprotected bike lane but most people feel way safer in off-road trail 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:46.760 side path or a protected bike lane so if we want people to actually use what 00:33:46.760 --> 00:33:50.520 we're building and have access to this opportunity they need to be able to feel 00:33:50.520 --> 00:33:54.040 safe and comfortable like they're not gonna die because that's always what I 00:33:54.040 --> 00:33:57.080 hear people tell me they're like I wish I could bike but I just don't feel safe 00:33:57.080 --> 00:34:01.840 and if I just observe around town like I live off of Malone Street I frequently 00:34:01.840 --> 00:34:05.920 see people riding on the sidewalk instead of the unprotected bike lane 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:09.840 because they don't feel safe the cars are whizzing by too close there's just 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.520 not a buffer it's really uncomfortable and that's not great because sidewalks 00:34:13.520 --> 00:34:17.360 are really designed for people moving a lot slower than that walking wheelchair 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.680 and so that kind of creates a speed differential and a conflict so really we 00:34:21.680 --> 00:34:25.920 want bicycle and e-scooter traffic to be in you know their own designated space 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.600 so they're not conflicting with other traffic and the best way to do that is 00:34:29.600 --> 00:34:35.580 to provide usable safe separated infrastructure like this that you know 00:34:35.580 --> 00:34:40.120 there's not cars parked in it so in terms of you know what type of baller 00:34:40.120 --> 00:34:46.440 reuse I'm pretty indifferent my only request and desires on that is that it 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.920 keeps the bike lane clear so that there's people can't easily pull into it 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.680 and park which happens all the time if anybody ever goes down Highland Street 00:34:54.680 --> 00:34:59.840 and UNT almost like 95% of the time I bike down there I have to like go into 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:03.160 oncoming car traffic because somebody is blocking the bike lane because it's 00:35:03.160 --> 00:35:08.480 unprotected so you know as long as it's keeping cars out people feel 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.360 uncomfortable like some people might just crash into those plastic posts so 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.840 the ones that we mostly use here are bolted down there's just like a bolt you 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.880 can actually sort of peek down a hole in the top of one and see what's in there 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:25.280 but you know I just want cars you know to not feel comfortable just pulling into 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.980 them right because if it's blocked all the time people aren't going to use it 00:35:27.980 --> 00:35:30.460 they're gonna go on the sidewalk they're gonna be in the car lane and then 00:35:30.460 --> 00:35:34.280 drivers are mad there's a bicyclist in the car lane right so if cars are out of 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:38.120 the bike lane and the bike lane is clear more people will use it more people will 00:35:38.120 --> 00:35:42.000 feel comfortable using it so I really want to emphasize that aspect in terms 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:47.000 of when we're looking at bollard options I'm very open to experimenting with some 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.580 different ones I know there's best practices out there other cities are 00:35:50.580 --> 00:35:54.480 using a variety of these we can talk to people ask their experience see what 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.080 other people are doing what they're finding is effective and in terms of the 00:35:58.080 --> 00:36:02.140 way they look I know a lot of cities they'll do the plastic post starting off 00:36:02.140 --> 00:36:05.900 as like a quick build kind of thing but then as that bike lane becomes more 00:36:05.900 --> 00:36:09.480 established over time and those ballers keep getting damaged and replaced and 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:14.000 there's all this maintenance at some point they start looking at more durable 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:19.120 options so like bolt-down curbs some cities just fully build a curb in there 00:36:19.120 --> 00:36:23.060 but that's you know no more that's more of a capital project it's gonna cost a 00:36:23.060 --> 00:36:29.320 lot more money but bolt-down curbs are a possibility that's lower profile I'm not 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.760 as short as that very short I could drive right over that with my car like I 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.040 don't think that's gonna stop anybody from entering the bike lane but bolt-down 00:36:36.040 --> 00:36:39.320 curbs as long as they're high enough that it would damage somebody's like we 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:44.920 then that generally will keep people out so there's a lot of options in terms of 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.720 the quick build so maybe you do plastic and then over time we do something 00:36:47.720 --> 00:36:52.160 that's more durable and maybe not as offensive looking to people but we 00:36:52.160 --> 00:36:55.800 absolutely do need to keep protecting stuff if we actually want people using 00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:04.240 it and not getting hurt I think that's all I have thank you so much for the 00:37:04.240 --> 00:37:10.160 presentation and it sounds like we are are we gonna move forward on this do we 00:37:10.160 --> 00:37:14.480 need a vote or we need some direction or how are we is this something that is 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:20.200 just ongoing can you help us with that question we're gonna continue to work 00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:24.920 through this I did hear that you know we'll come back in February kind of 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:28.400 with more recommendations we'll get some feedback from various stakeholders okay 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:32.900 truly some of the tools that we already have and working through vision zero the 00:37:32.900 --> 00:37:39.480 audit etc so okay that's gonna come back to us well we our city is known for our 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:47.840 tree people our dog people are these people are homeless people we have so 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:53.880 many different interests in this community and all of those people make 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:59.120 sure that our council is very aware very well aware that they're there but the 00:37:59.120 --> 00:38:04.240 beauty of this particular committee is that we have our very own bicycle person 00:38:04.240 --> 00:38:10.800 our bike guru on is on this committee so we're gonna be and you can see the 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.000 passion you can hear the passion so we're gonna be looking forward to her 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:20.080 being as a part of that conversation as well and help guide us with our biking 00:38:20.080 --> 00:38:24.960 and bollards thank you sir appreciate it thank you a conversation okay so we're 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:35.360 gonna move on to MC to for days and zero four five receive a report and hold a 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.640 discussion regarding the city of Denton's project status update on the 00:38:38.640 --> 00:38:43.560 Denton County Transportation Authority reinvestment program trip for the fiscal 00:38:43.560 --> 00:38:49.320 year 21 through 24 thank you good morning Trevor crane director of capital 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:53.200 projects so today I'm going to go through just status update of our trip 00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:59.840 projects so really wanted to start off just going through kind of the trip 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.920 program itself the objective the objective of the trip program is to 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:08.340 provide financial assistance to DCTA members member cities for transit 00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:13.360 supportive projects consistent with and beneficial to DCTA's long-range service 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:18.040 plan goals so got a couple of graphs here not gonna go through all of them 00:39:18.040 --> 00:39:20.980 but this is really kind of the improvement type and really the 00:39:20.980 --> 00:39:25.540 criteria that we have to meet in order to submit those projects so very lengthy 00:39:25.540 --> 00:39:29.440 depending on what the improvement type is lots of restrictions or criteria that 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:35.920 we need to meet when we submit these projects this is really just a selection 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:40.840 approval process so DCTA will issue a call for projects in January of each 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.920 calendar year we the city will submit an application for projects within 90 days 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:51.340 of that call for projects DCTA staff will have 30 days to review the application 00:39:51.340 --> 00:39:56.640 to determine if that project meets eligibility or requesting additional 00:39:56.640 --> 00:40:01.220 information from the city and then after completion of the review eligible 00:40:01.220 --> 00:40:04.560 applications will be placed on the agenda for the next regularly scheduled 00:40:04.560 --> 00:40:09.920 DCTA board of directors meeting for consideration the DCTA board will lead 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:16.400 the approval and award process so this is just a quick snapshot of all the 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:21.200 projects we've completed to date so the hallway crossing project Bell sidewalk 00:40:21.200 --> 00:40:28.720 Med Park Mayhill Road phase 2 said a and said B so some of these were specific 00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:33.320 trip projects some of these were CIP projects where we lumped in some DCTA 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:44.080 funds to meet some of the requirements for those for those sections all right so 00:40:44.080 --> 00:40:48.000 these are current projects we're working with the first one is the a train to UNT 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.620 bike and ped pass so we call this the sycamore side path project summary for 00:40:52.620 --> 00:40:56.480 this is improvements on sycamore sycamore and welch to serve DCTA 00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.880 customers traveling from the a train to downtown and ultimately to the UNT 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:07.080 campus so this provides pedestrian connectivity which will serve DC DCTA 00:41:07.080 --> 00:41:14.520 customers accessing route 7 and DCTA and UNT shuttle routes project status is 00:41:14.520 --> 00:41:20.200 construction has actually just went out to bid earlier I mean just within the 00:41:20.200 --> 00:41:26.040 last month estimated schedule is anywhere are between quarter one of 25 to quarter 00:41:26.040 --> 00:41:33.080 one of 2026 you can see the trip funding requests there and then we have submitted 00:41:33.080 --> 00:41:36.840 some reimbursements for this project so these are all reimbursement projects we 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:44.280 spend the money up front and then trip reimburses on the back end next project 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:48.880 is Jennings Alexander so this is sidewalks at Alexander Elementary which 00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:53.360 will provide vital connectivity to DCTA passengers and to the entire student 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.400 body the majority of whom reside within two miles of the campus and are not 00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:02.120 provided bus service so this project is currently under construction estimated 00:42:02.120 --> 00:42:07.280 consult will go to construction early next year in January we anticipate that 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.980 taking a year so quarter one of 25 to quarter one of 2026 you can see the 00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:19.120 estimate completion for this project and how much we got from trip and then we 00:42:19.120 --> 00:42:22.600 have submitted one reimbursement so far and we'll continue to do that as we 00:42:22.600 --> 00:42:31.920 construct the project. Next up is Nettie Schultz and Pecan Creek and just as an 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:37.200 aside SRTS stands for safe routes to school so if we see SRTS I know you I 00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:40.280 don't like the abbreviations but I don't I didn't have enough room to spell it 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:45.840 all out so safe routes to school. Pecan Creek and Nettie Schultz which was 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.760 previously Woodrow Wilson Elementary providing safe routes to school through 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:54.280 sidewalk connectivity and crosswalks so those projects will go to construction 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:59.200 early next month quarter another year project so quarter one of 25 through 00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:07.040 quarter one of 2026 estimated completion is 830,000 we got a hundred thirty seven 00:43:07.040 --> 00:43:10.760 thousand through trip funding have received one reimbursement and will 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:17.440 continue to seek reimbursements as construction moves forward. Next up is 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:22.560 our UPR quiet zone and pedestrian improvements project summary this will 00:43:22.560 --> 00:43:27.720 provide sidewalk connectivity improvements to the currently will be 00:43:27.720 --> 00:43:32.120 added to the currently planned UPR quiet zone improvements in downtown so three 00:43:32.120 --> 00:43:35.960 rail three rail grade crossings will be improved to provide a widened sidewalks 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.840 including McKinney Hickory and Sycamore improving pedestrian access between 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:47.600 downtown and a DCTA a train station and bus service. So just we finished design 00:43:47.600 --> 00:43:54.160 planning on the estimated schedule for design was q2 of 2022 so has been a long 00:43:54.160 --> 00:44:00.840 design process we're anticipating going to construction in q3 of 2025 and we 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.560 anticipate that finishing up in q4 of 2026 you'll see there's a kind of a big 00:44:05.560 --> 00:44:09.760 gap between when design is complete and when we go to construction and that's to 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.980 order the materials that it takes to turn those crossings into quiet zone so 00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:18.480 there's a big procurement process and there we have to work through. Estimated 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.440 completion is about eight hundred and thirty two thousand dollars we received 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:26.360 or approved for five hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars through trip and 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:29.680 then we're working through our first reimbursement which is for the design 00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:36.920 portion of that project. Loop 288 sidewalks so these are sidewalks along 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:41.160 loop 288 between the junction facility for persons experience homelessness and 00:44:41.160 --> 00:44:45.920 our daily bread facility. New sidewalks will be constructed on the west side of 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.280 the street south of the junction and on the east side of the street north of 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:54.880 McKinney Street to market. A mix of residential and commercial development 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.520 along this portion of loop 388 will benefit from this side complete 00:44:58.520 --> 00:45:02.840 sidewalk connectivity so there were a lot of what we call goat pass a lot of 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:08.120 not connected sidewalks there so this project is really to connect provide 00:45:08.120 --> 00:45:13.840 that full connectivity. This project is currently under construction we 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:18.400 anticipate construction being complete you know any day now. Estimated 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.320 completion was three hundred sixty thousand dollars so this project was 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:26.640 fully funded by trip and then we'll request construction or will request 00:45:26.640 --> 00:45:32.760 reimbursement once we finish construction. These are our downtown 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.720 sidewalks so this is multiple sidewalk improvements in a downtown area under 00:45:37.720 --> 00:45:42.880 our 2018 and 19 CIP sidewalk improvement projects. All the segments are 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:47.560 completely designed and are planned for construction anywhere from 2022 to 2025 00:45:47.560 --> 00:45:52.540 so some of these are already complete some are planned within the next year. 00:45:52.540 --> 00:45:59.260 I've listed there the segments that are that are affected. Project status were 00:45:59.260 --> 00:46:04.420 currently in construction. We're estimating completing that by quarter one 00:46:04.420 --> 00:46:11.220 of 2025. This was estimate completion about 1.2 million dollars and the 00:46:11.220 --> 00:46:16.760 funding request from trip was about 1.1. Working through the first request for 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:22.800 reimbursement on these projects as well. This is our Moore Street on street trail 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:28.000 so this is Moore Street is currently a two lane street in southeast Denton. The 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:32.120 city has received multiple complaints about speeding in the corridor so there 00:46:32.120 --> 00:46:36.600 was an opportunity to narrow the street and provide an on-street trail as a 00:46:36.600 --> 00:46:40.720 traffic calming and multimodal access opportunity. So this project will improve 00:46:40.720 --> 00:46:45.480 access to the DCTA train, rail trail and buses with their added benefit of 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.800 improving trail user safety by narrowing the rail trail crossing at Moore Street. 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:56.640 So we started design in quarter four of 2022 and we're anticipating going to 00:46:56.640 --> 00:47:02.080 construction quarter three of 2023. We actually brought this project to 00:47:02.080 --> 00:47:07.640 community for community feedback and received a lot of different feedback and 00:47:07.640 --> 00:47:11.400 so instead of just going out and installing something we wanted to back 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.120 up wait for our transportation planning group to get on board and we're 00:47:15.120 --> 00:47:18.280 currently kicking that project back off working through it with our 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.960 transportation planning and our community to make sure that what we're 00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:28.000 installing will provide the benefit that that the community wants and needs. So 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:34.200 estimate completion is about $193,000 and our anticipated request or 00:47:34.200 --> 00:47:41.280 anticipated reimbursement from trip will be $152,500. We'll start reimbursement as 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:49.200 soon as we start some go through design and start construction. Shady Oaks DCTA 00:47:49.200 --> 00:47:54.720 crossing quiet zone improvements. So currently there are three DCTA 00:47:54.720 --> 00:47:58.960 crossings with wayside horns in the city of Denton, Sycamore, Shady Oaks and 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:03.680 Mayhill. Both Sycamore and Mayhill crossings will be improved with city CIP 00:48:03.680 --> 00:48:07.840 projects removing the need for those wayside horns so that leaves only Shady 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:13.840 Oaks as the as being one where they have to blow the horn. So as a part of this 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:18.040 project we'll be adding quad gates to eliminate the requirement of the 00:48:18.040 --> 00:48:22.240 wayside horn and provide a true quiet zone corridor once all three projects 00:48:22.240 --> 00:48:27.560 are complete. So project status we're finished with design. We are looking to 00:48:27.560 --> 00:48:32.640 go to construction in quarter three of 2025 and hoping to be done by quarter 00:48:32.640 --> 00:48:37.600 four of 2026. Again you see that gap between design and construction and 00:48:37.600 --> 00:48:42.000 that's really to procure those materials to start that construction. This was 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.360 fully funded by TRIP so $75,000 and of course we'll work through the 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.040 reimbursement once we start construction. 00:48:50.040 --> 00:48:56.880 Katy Trail Mayhill in Colorado. So this will have improvements required for the 00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:02.060 closure of the at grade crossing at grade DCTA rail crossing on Mayhill for 00:49:02.060 --> 00:49:06.520 the new Mayhill bridge opening. Improvements include but a not limited 00:49:06.520 --> 00:49:11.680 to pavement removal, curb and gutter, 10-foot sidewalk and ramps and 00:49:11.680 --> 00:49:16.640 pedestrian signal upgrades. So as a side note DCTA agreed the existing 00:49:16.640 --> 00:49:20.480 pedestrian sidewalk crossing of the tracks can remain open allowing access to 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:25.120 the Katy Trail along the west side of the DCTA tracks accessing Met Park 00:49:25.120 --> 00:49:32.440 Station. Estimated schedule so quarter four 2024 will finish up design by the 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:37.240 city then DCTA has to do their design for the work that they have to do as a 00:49:37.240 --> 00:49:42.080 part of that. They're anticipating starting that in January and then 00:49:42.080 --> 00:49:45.200 hopefully we can move to construction pretty quickly after that quarter one of 00:49:45.200 --> 00:49:49.840 2025 with having the complete construction done in quarter three of 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:58.120 2025. Estimated completion $800,000 with $514,000 being eligible for 00:49:58.120 --> 00:50:05.640 reimbursement through trip. Bonnie Bray and UNT side pass. So this is a part of 00:50:05.640 --> 00:50:12.040 the Bonnie Bray phase 3 project. We are using the trip funding to provide the 00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:17.560 side pass along that corridor. So this is from I-35 to Rose Lawn which widens 00:50:17.560 --> 00:50:21.720 Bonnie Bray from a two-lane rural to a four lane divided urban and includes a 00:50:21.720 --> 00:50:27.520 five-foot sidewalk and 10-foot side pass along both sides of Bonnie Bray. Street 00:50:27.520 --> 00:50:30.760 and pedestrian improvements between I-35 and Willowwood will provide better 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.840 access and service to DCTA University routes. So this project is currently under 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:42.760 construction. We're anticipating paving to start in Q2 of 2026. This is a nine 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:47.200 million dollar portion of the project so paving and sidewalk improvements between 00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:53.720 I-35 and Willowwood and we're getting five million dollars back from the trip 00:50:53.720 --> 00:51:01.960 funding request. McKinney Street multimodal improvements. So in addition to 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:06.120 the city's active 10-foot multi-use path project between loop 288 and Woodrow 00:51:06.120 --> 00:51:10.560 Lane currently in design, feasibility study will be conducted along McKinney 00:51:10.560 --> 00:51:14.840 Street from Carroll Boulevard to Woodrow Lane in an effort to provide multimodal 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:19.940 mobility enhancement enhancements for non-motorized and shared mobility users 00:51:19.940 --> 00:51:25.480 incorporating a combination of mixed-use paths and/or bike lanes with user safety 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:30.720 as the prime focus. So status we're currently in the feasibility for planning 00:51:30.720 --> 00:51:34.480 and safety stage so our transportation planning group is working through this 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:40.760 with our support. Got an estimated schedule there and then the funding we 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.960 anticipate it being about six point seven million dollars with the city 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:53.680 providing five point two five of that and trip providing one point five. Woodrow 00:51:53.680 --> 00:51:58.280 Lane multimodal improvements. Woodrow Lane between East McKinney and Spencer 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.120 will provide multimodal mobility enhancements for non-motorized and 00:52:02.120 --> 00:52:05.880 shared mobility users based on feasibility studies incorporating a 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:11.200 combination of side paths, on-street paths and/or bike lanes with user safety as a 00:52:11.200 --> 00:52:15.680 prime focus. So this is another one that transportation planning is leading at 00:52:15.680 --> 00:52:21.680 this point with CIP support currently in the initiation feasibility for planning 00:52:21.680 --> 00:52:26.560 and safety portion. Estimate completion is about eight hundred fifty thousand 00:52:26.560 --> 00:52:31.920 dollars with it being fully reimbursable through trip funding. 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:36.960 Moore Street Woodrow Lane signal transit improvements. So this project will 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.600 provide a traffic signal and pedestrian safety signals at Moore Street and 00:52:40.600 --> 00:52:45.160 Woodrow Lane. The transit signal priority will also be implemented with these 00:52:45.160 --> 00:52:50.360 signal improvements. These improvements will enhance the Moore Street 00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:56.600 reconstruction project completed in 2023 by with a five-foot sidewalk was 00:52:56.600 --> 00:53:00.920 installed previously and these signal improvements will also complement the 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:05.400 Moore Street on-street trail project approved in our 2022 trip 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:10.080 submissions. So this one's also being headed up by transportation planning at 00:53:10.080 --> 00:53:14.520 this group. At this stage I'm hoping to go to construction in quarter two of 00:53:14.520 --> 00:53:20.640 2025 with eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars being reimbursed 00:53:20.640 --> 00:53:23.240 through trip. 00:53:23.240 --> 00:53:28.240 Ronnie Road side paths and safety improvements. So this is a current 00:53:28.240 --> 00:53:33.960 project that CIP is heading up and we added some trip funding to take care of 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:40.120 the sidewalk improvements. So providing a eight-foot side path the new DISD 00:53:40.120 --> 00:53:44.880 Elementary School is currently in construction will open in 2025. So we 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:48.440 wanted to make sure that we're ensuring safety our student pedestrian safety 00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:54.720 until the project is the ultimate project is complete. The city has already 00:53:54.720 --> 00:53:58.560 installed a temporary five-foot side path so this project would make that a 00:53:58.560 --> 00:54:04.080 permanent side path. Anticipate construction starting in quarter three of 00:54:04.080 --> 00:54:11.400 2024 and then the funding the project is actually 6.5 million dollars total 5.7 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:20.360 is provided by the city with 750,000 being reimbursable. And our sidewalk 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:24.960 connectivity and shelter pad allowances. So this was a request for 1 million 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.360 dollars to support the DCTA managed design and construction of 88 concrete 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:33.880 landing and shelter pads and sidewalk connections to and from existing and new 00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:39.040 bus stop locations and high priority locations along connect routes three six 00:54:39.040 --> 00:54:43.280 and seven. This one's currently through initiate or is currently in the 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:48.240 initiation stage. Transportation services is coordinated with DCT DCTA to 00:54:48.240 --> 00:54:52.560 understand where those pads will be so that we can design the connectivity to 00:54:52.560 --> 00:54:57.720 them. Estimate completion will be a million dollars and trip funding 00:54:57.720 --> 00:55:05.160 received will be that 1 million dollars. That was a lot of information. So John 00:55:05.160 --> 00:55:10.960 talked man it was it was a lot but I mean we have a lot of projects we're 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:16.960 working with DCT DCTA on and working to get those completed. So happy to answer 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:20.160 any questions I've got my partners from transportation planning here so if we 00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:26.120 got anything for them. Okay thank you great presentation. I'm just gonna take 00:55:26.120 --> 00:55:33.480 the privilege of going first because I am recognizing that the district that I 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:39.880 serve the group of people that count on me to speak for them to advocate for you 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:44.800 know some of their deeds. It's just clearly evident here that you all have 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:49.880 been listening you all have been working very hard to you know get us to this 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:55.720 point where I can I can kind of like I'm so happy for district one. I really feel 00:55:55.720 --> 00:56:01.280 very emotional about this because this is what people they pick the phone up 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:05.600 and say hey I am tired of hearing this horn in my backyard. Is there something 00:56:05.600 --> 00:56:10.360 that you can do about this? You know and then you act on it and you make sure 00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:15.080 that it happens and now we can see that it's coming to fruition. I am 00:56:15.080 --> 00:56:20.240 representing an older area of the city and just want to say that there are a 00:56:20.240 --> 00:56:25.040 lot of things that are happening in in the area that I serve so thank you all 00:56:25.040 --> 00:56:28.920 very much. I know I know it wasn't because you all like me more than 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:37.200 everyone else but it is a fact that that area does need. It is a fact that that 00:56:37.200 --> 00:56:41.360 area had been neglected for a long time and now we're catching up so thank you 00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:46.720 very much. I also want to congratulate the folks over in Southeast Dent and 00:56:46.720 --> 00:56:50.560 they've been very concerned and complaining about Moore Street for I 00:56:50.560 --> 00:56:56.720 don't know past 30 years so to see that come to fruition is very it's just it's 00:56:56.720 --> 00:57:01.760 just too much too much to say so I'm just gonna stop there I do have a lot of 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:06.400 page numbers written here page 11 page 16 to go back but I know that I would 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:10.600 take up too much time so I'm gonna go ahead and start here on the left side 00:57:10.600 --> 00:57:14.600 this time and let's just have this conversation coming down this way. Thank 00:57:14.600 --> 00:57:18.880 you chair. I'm really excited about a lot of the the sidewalk projects I've seen 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.200 that loop 288 one is starting to kind of go in and it looks like maybe there's 00:57:22.200 --> 00:57:25.920 also a tech stop putting in some sidewalk north of there if you don't 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:27.960 know that off the top of your head that's okay but there's great there's 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:30.800 great stuff happening because there are all the goat paths what suggests there's 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.080 a lot of foot track traffic over there so that's really exciting the quiet zones 00:57:35.080 --> 00:57:39.000 is really exciting more Street is really exciting I do have a question about more 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.840 Street so you kind of talked about the timeline and the construction was 00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.680 supposed to be 2023 but we're sort of you know making sure everybody's on the 00:57:46.680 --> 00:57:50.760 same page and happy with what what's gonna happen and do you do we have sort 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.200 of a time frame on on when we might think construction would begin on that 00:57:54.200 --> 00:57:57.880 yeah so as far as construction I don't want to give you a time frame I mean 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.520 we've kicked off that project within the last couple months starting to go 00:58:01.520 --> 00:58:05.520 through those conversations really what happened kind of back in 2023 we we 00:58:05.520 --> 00:58:08.920 learned some lessons about some projects we put in we don't we learned we don't 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:13.360 want to assume what the community wants we don't want to just say you know this 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.680 is best practice we're gonna do this for you want to make sure that we're 00:58:16.680 --> 00:58:20.800 talking with our community making sure that what we put in is what they what 00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:24.080 they're seeing at that out there what they need so that really calls us to 00:58:24.080 --> 00:58:27.400 take a step back and say you know we need to do some more research on this so 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:31.360 once Farhan his team got on board we've actually had a couple meetings within 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:35.880 the last I'd say last three months to start formulating what our plan is to 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:40.640 to really make sure that we're providing the benefits that we need out there so I 00:58:40.640 --> 00:58:44.160 don't want to give you a dumb it's really gonna depend on kind of the the 00:58:44.160 --> 00:58:48.040 feedback we get from from the community and making sure that we do it right 00:58:48.040 --> 00:58:51.740 excellent thank you yeah I know there's some challenges with that segment I've 00:58:51.740 --> 00:59:00.040 gone and looked at it one second we find where I was so Katie trail what was 00:59:00.040 --> 00:59:05.880 initially pitched when asking for the trip funding is very different if you 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:13.160 want the number that's slide 13 yeah so what was pitched was that there was 00:59:13.160 --> 00:59:17.560 going to be a trail so that's sort of the dotted line there and that that 00:59:17.560 --> 00:59:23.600 would eliminate two at-grade crossings for trail traffic across the line and 00:59:23.600 --> 00:59:26.800 also make it easier like those z-gate crossing things that you have to weave 00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:30.280 through really hard for people with cargo bikes and people pulling kiddie 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:33.880 trailers it's hard for them to navigate that so this would have eliminated two 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:39.160 sort of unnecessary crossings of the railroad and so that's what was pitched 00:59:39.160 --> 00:59:43.520 and this is quite a bit different can you describe sort of the process and 00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:49.800 reasoning of sort of going away from the trail and who was like what 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.600 stakeholders were approached about this when making this decision sort of who 00:59:52.600 --> 00:59:57.960 got to have a say or opinion in it because I had not seen this until this 00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:02.560 presentation to just change it happened I had no idea sure yeah so really when 01:00:02.560 --> 01:00:07.080 we're kind of pitching these projects to DCTA you know we're looking at kind of 01:00:07.080 --> 01:00:10.280 the same things you just described like this would probably be the the best case 01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.160 scenario this eliminates these things and these things once we get the project 01:00:14.160 --> 01:00:18.080 and we start designing them then we get out there and say okay there's some 01:00:18.080 --> 01:00:22.400 major drainage issues out here there's a gonna be a pedestrian bridge that's 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:26.200 required in order to put this trail in and so once we start going to kind of 01:00:26.200 --> 01:00:30.440 going through you know all those pitfalls of the proper finding all these 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:34.120 pitfalls of a project we have to determine do we keep moving forward and 01:00:34.120 --> 01:00:38.240 pump more money into this or we back up and try to find a better solution and so 01:00:38.240 --> 01:00:45.120 for this one we worked with DCTA as a part of changing the scope of this and 01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:49.520 that's kind of where it came from we found a better I'm not gonna say better 01:00:49.520 --> 01:00:53.840 solution but a more cost-effective solution that still meet met the 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:58.000 requirements of the project and that's kind of where the scope changes a part 01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:02.800 of this project I will say that this that you're seeing scoped here is not 01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:07.880 dead you know we're still looking at trying to to make that connection because 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:11.280 I do think it's valuable to have that kind of connection on the north side of 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.000 that DCTA bridge so it is a project we're still you know trying to make 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:21.720 happen but that was kind of where where that change came from and just to 01:01:21.720 --> 01:01:24.720 clarify I feel like you clarified it but I just want to ask it's very 01:01:24.720 --> 01:01:29.200 specifically so somebody was asking in terms of the road the permanent closure 01:01:29.200 --> 01:01:35.400 between the new Mayhill and the railroad so that the roadway for cars is being 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.360 permanently closed I assume the pavements being removed or something 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:44.980 along those lines eventually let me if you can clarify pedestrian traffic will 01:01:44.980 --> 01:01:49.560 still be able to go from the rail trail to let's say that light blue line that 01:01:49.560 --> 01:01:53.520 you have here they can still still be able to cross the rail there to go down 01:01:53.520 --> 01:01:57.960 Colorado Boulevard yes the rail crossing will still stay in place for pedestrians 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:04.400 okay I just wanted to make sure that I had that accurate yeah because I don't 01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.840 want to give people wrong information I think I have one more I'm sorry I'm 01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:12.560 having to you did I don't know what it was but that was the probably the main 01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:17.780 one I think I think those were some of the main ones it's a lot of stuff and I 01:02:17.780 --> 01:02:20.320 really appreciate I think I'm the one who asked for this presentation so I 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:30.520 really appreciate y'all giving this to us absolutely one please a slide 14 Bonnie 01:02:30.520 --> 01:02:40.520 Bray will will will sidewalks ever precede road construction I don't want 01:02:40.520 --> 01:02:43.520 to tell you they never will but typically those are the last things that 01:02:43.520 --> 01:02:48.980 go in okay okay because they're they're easily breakable I mean they're much 01:02:48.980 --> 01:02:53.400 thinner concrete and so you've still got big machinery moving around and doing 01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.560 things you'll end up breaking them and having to come back and so rule of thumb 01:02:57.560 --> 01:03:01.960 is it's the last thing that's done right before we do side and those types of 01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:06.320 things side is usually in landscaping is typically the last thing but right 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:14.360 before that sidewalks perfect thank you yes sir yeah I had a appreciate I I love 01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:20.600 I'm glad that Commissioner Rubar asked the questions it I I know it was a lot 01:03:20.600 --> 01:03:25.000 to do a John Poulter type but everything in the kitchen sink presentation but I 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:34.120 think it provides a lot of a framework and contextuality to the issues so we 01:03:34.120 --> 01:03:39.400 have a number of projects and because you have to cue them and you can't do 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:44.200 them all at once because you don't have an infinite crew some of them are going 01:03:44.200 --> 01:03:50.400 back to older funds if do we ever have any problems with I know all the funds 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:56.760 are encumbered but do we ever run into issues with our friends at DCTA where 01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:00.920 their sweeps or something else where the funds are clawed back because of our 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:06.160 timelines we're never in any danger of losing that funding right yeah so I'll 01:04:06.160 --> 01:04:11.120 say to my knowledge we've never had any funding taken back from us there are 01:04:11.120 --> 01:04:15.680 projects where like you pointed out we're multiple years behind but that's 01:04:15.680 --> 01:04:19.920 really just a conversation with DCTA we let them know we keep them up to date on 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:23.400 what's going on if we need to shift money around or move it to a different 01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:27.840 scope that's a conversation with DCTA so they've been great partners in any of 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:33.320 these projects to where you know if we're behind or not showing any progress 01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:38.120 it's just a conversation with them and I think within the last couple of years we 01:04:38.120 --> 01:04:42.600 really just across the board and all capital projects is making sure that 01:04:42.600 --> 01:04:45.640 we're putting these projects out in a timely manner not letting anything sit 01:04:45.640 --> 01:04:49.440 and so catching up that backlog and I don't foresee that being a problem 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:55.400 anytime soon no I appreciate that it comes up all the time in various 01:04:55.400 --> 01:05:00.740 budgeting talks in various groups like well there's X million dollars sitting 01:05:00.740 --> 01:05:03.560 well there's not X million dollars sitting there because they're all 01:05:03.560 --> 01:05:07.880 encumbered funds well I I'm a little different now I like to spend the money 01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:11.480 as fast as they give it to me because if not somebody else will come and use it 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:16.680 for their project so as soon as I get it I'm gonna start building stuff the the 01:05:16.680 --> 01:05:25.760 other question I had and I guess I I got sort of two and I noticed something like 01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:33.240 project 18 and 22 so I guess that's slide 14 slide 18 it was a little 01:05:33.240 --> 01:05:40.520 unclear to me is it is it street and side path or just side path or both 01:05:40.520 --> 01:05:46.760 that's being paid out trip funds yeah so specifically 18 Bonnie Bray was already 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:50.500 going to be a project the only thing that we have to use the trip fund 01:05:50.500 --> 01:05:55.360 specifically for those those different type of improvements so we tell DCTA 01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.420 hey we're gonna put in side paths as a part of Bonnie Bray phase five but we 01:05:59.420 --> 01:06:04.160 can only reimburse for the pieces that are approved as a part of DCTA so for 01:06:04.160 --> 01:06:07.360 this one specifically Bonnie Bray you won't we won't be able to get any 01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:11.040 reimbursements until almost the end of the project because we're not gonna put 01:06:11.040 --> 01:06:15.400 in the sidewalks to the end so we have to submit pay apps that show hey we 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:19.680 installed this many feet of eight foot sidewalk which was the approved scope 01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:26.480 and then we get reimbursed for it so for these we're we're completing street 01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:31.800 curb everything drainage but we're getting reimbursed for the side path 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:36.440 portion correct right okay all right that that's one piece and then I guess 01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:41.600 the only other question I had is a slide forward project e7 I guess that's the 01:06:41.600 --> 01:06:56.240 bridge what I'm the new bridge Mayhill yeah what what how much of that is trip 01:06:56.240 --> 01:07:05.080 funding because I mean almost all these the scopes were for side path for 01:07:05.080 --> 01:07:13.000 amenities for bike and pad uses for routes are we we didn't do we did we 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:17.840 build the bridge with trip funding no okay that was the concern it was sort of 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:22.160 related to the previous question so this is just the pathing correct all of the 01:07:22.160 --> 01:07:26.960 portion that was approved as a part of the trip request okay great that that 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:33.440 that's all mine thank you okay I just want to start out by echoing Suzy a lot 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:37.600 of good projects here appreciate you telling us about them and more 01:07:37.600 --> 01:07:42.040 importantly you doing them righty road the bus pads all of the sidewalks 01:07:42.040 --> 01:07:48.200 especially to the schools so I just have two questions so I notice on a lot of 01:07:48.200 --> 01:07:53.760 these maps you have DCTA bus routes right currently there's as far as I'm 01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:58.360 aware not a publicly available map with all of the bus routes in the city of 01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:03.680 Denton DCTA has their route maps but each one chose individually a single 01:08:03.680 --> 01:08:08.000 route so you can look at route 7 and then to figure out how you would get 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:11.720 transferred route 6 you have to look at their map of route 6 and then look at 01:08:11.720 --> 01:08:16.000 their map of route 7 and go oh do these intersect if somewhere so if that's 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:23.200 information that we could post publicly and I you know I hate to say do DCTA's 01:08:23.200 --> 01:08:26.320 job for them but you know throw on some schedule I think that would be a good 01:08:26.320 --> 01:08:32.440 public resource and then second I just I want to ask about the McKinney kind of 01:08:32.440 --> 01:08:36.800 interim safety improvements that have been discussed with protecting those 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:42.400 shoulders that are currently being used as sidewalk is bike lane is that still 01:08:42.400 --> 01:08:47.200 on the menu it is so I actually have a project manager that's over the McKinney 01:08:47.200 --> 01:08:51.700 the permanent one and then we've also tasked him to work with our consultant 01:08:51.700 --> 01:08:55.400 on that to give us a proposal for some of those temporary sidewalks are 01:08:55.400 --> 01:08:59.960 temporary measures I think I'm trying to remember when he said to me but I want 01:08:59.960 --> 01:09:03.200 to say it was late last week that he sent me a couple of options so we're 01:09:03.200 --> 01:09:07.280 working with our transportation planning team to determine which option is the 01:09:07.280 --> 01:09:11.720 best where we're gonna put those you know exactly how that because any 01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:15.720 funding that we use for that temporary comes out of the big pot for the 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:20.160 permanent so well make sure that we're not you know putting off a permanent 01:09:20.160 --> 01:09:23.200 solution just to do temporary so working through all those logistics but 01:09:23.200 --> 01:09:27.080 definitely still working on that yeah and then I mean if we do we were just 01:09:27.080 --> 01:09:31.960 having that presentation on baller so if we if we get something I imagine if it 01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:36.080 becomes just a temporary project or it's upgraded to permanent infrastructure if 01:09:36.080 --> 01:09:40.400 we want maybe permanent bike lanes on the side of that we could we could go 01:09:40.400 --> 01:09:43.280 reuse those and put them somewhere else and then repeat the whole process so 01:09:43.280 --> 01:09:53.560 thank you thank you anybody else you know again thank you everybody got you 01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:57.720 all thank you so much for your work not Scott thank you that's got yeah Scott 01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:14.320 didn't do anything thank you staff memorandum DMC 2 4 - 0 4 6 staff member 01:10:14.320 --> 01:10:21.700 random quality control metric so I won't read through all this stuff but we 01:10:21.700 --> 01:10:27.040 provided this as a part of one of the questions that came up last last time so 01:10:27.040 --> 01:10:32.460 if y'all have any further questions comments be happy to speak to any 01:10:32.460 --> 01:10:36.320 questions yes question yeah this was mine and I appreciate you bringing this back 01:10:36.320 --> 01:10:42.880 and it because it was problematic that we we seem to have a burst of failures 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:47.440 and and the language that was in the report was something that like we had a 01:10:47.440 --> 01:10:53.160 dry base and that was causing excessive movement or something like that so I 01:10:53.160 --> 01:10:57.880 guess my question y'all is in light of that in light of you know whatever 01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:04.840 climate we're in now versus whatever climate we had in the past do we have a 01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:10.880 plan of attack to to provide solutions so we don't have failures that cost this 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:15.680 money so we build it right for the new conditions and so can you address 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:19.760 something like that sure so absolutely what we've been doing or what we did as 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:24.600 a part of that is more more soil testing so to understand exactly what we have 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:29.120 out there what the conditions are getting with our geotechnical engineers 01:11:29.120 --> 01:11:32.720 to provide better solutions for what kind of pavements we want to use we've 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:37.120 actually changed up some of our asphalt mixes that a little a little more 01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:42.200 pliable so they move a little more so a whole range of different things you know 01:11:42.200 --> 01:11:46.440 really everything is on the table so we don't want to just continually doing the 01:11:46.440 --> 01:11:49.880 same thing that we've always done if we know it's going to not be a good 01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:53.680 solution so being flexible and being able to look at different different 01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:58.520 things and making sure that we're doing it right do you do you have a feel for 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:05.920 how much I mean I know in the in the table it mentioned you know what kind of 01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:10.080 sidewalks and what kind of streets and miles but do we have a we have a feel 01:12:10.080 --> 01:12:17.440 for when it failed and we have failures all over town for various things what 01:12:17.440 --> 01:12:22.720 what percent of our lane miles that was I mean if it if it was point oh one 01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:26.480 percent then it's a one-off and we absorb it we move on right but if it was 01:12:26.480 --> 01:12:32.220 like 10 or 15 or 20 percent of our our lane miles then then oh this is a you 01:12:32.220 --> 01:12:36.400 know priority thing we got to fix it hard yeah you have a feel for that sure 01:12:36.400 --> 01:12:41.280 so I'll say just for clarification this table right here is really from our our 01:12:41.280 --> 01:12:45.720 streets department this is what they do as a part of their their maintenance and 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:49.280 I don't believe and I'll Danny can correct me if I'm wrong that they really 01:12:49.280 --> 01:12:53.920 had a large portion of any kind of failures as a part of what they did as 01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:59.880 their maintenance the items that I listed here on this section was really 01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:04.040 based on our 2019 bond program just because it was easier to pull that 01:13:04.040 --> 01:13:08.840 information and give a percentage we only had one street that actually 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:14.840 failed that they had to tear up and redo we did have multiple segments really 01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:19.160 bring that old north kind of area I think it was eight eight or ten where we 01:13:19.160 --> 01:13:23.480 noticed the issue and we were able to pause it and that's why we got a lot of 01:13:23.480 --> 01:13:28.280 calls from our residents saying hey you came out here and now you're gone what's 01:13:28.280 --> 01:13:32.060 going on and the reason was we didn't want to put down a product that we knew 01:13:32.060 --> 01:13:36.520 was gonna fail so we were working through that that process so actual 01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:42.080 failures was a small small portion like I said there's a you know there are there 01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:46.560 were some minor quality issues but they all fell within the limitations that we 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.960 allow in our spec and so we did you know crack ceiling or something like that 01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:54.080 that that fixed those issues and we were able to move forward with those so I 01:13:54.080 --> 01:13:59.640 mean a really small percentage less than a percent of you know that that project 01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:03.480 where we actually had catastrophic failures that the contractor had to 01:14:03.480 --> 01:14:11.400 come out and redo the whole thing okay so we don't anticipate I mean assuming 01:14:11.400 --> 01:14:17.680 the the solutions and the different paving mix we don't anticipate a big 01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:24.720 financial impact out of line with our our projections going forward yeah and 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:29.800 really the way our contract is written it is the responsibility of the 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:34.480 contractor to provide us a quality product now if there's outside you know 01:14:34.480 --> 01:14:38.240 this soil issue that's kind of an outside thing and so we work with our 01:14:38.240 --> 01:14:41.880 contractors we want to be good partners and make sure that there's not an undue 01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:45.520 burden on them for things they can't control but if it's a quality issue like 01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:49.520 the one that failed we don't have any financial responsibility for that they 01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:53.080 come back and they tear it out their expense and put it back in okay 01:14:53.080 --> 01:15:01.600 appreciate you thank you yes sir anybody all right um I just want to note to the 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:13.120 community that I'm I'm read here that the city has 1,533 miles that is 01:15:13.120 --> 01:15:25.720 maintained and they do that with 51 employees and in you can also go to the 01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:32.560 strategic planning website if you have any additional questions they put that 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:37.760 on these things up looks like it's tracked monthly and a pub and it's 01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:43.440 publicly available on that website we do have the gentleman that sits next to my 01:15:43.440 --> 01:15:49.080 left he's very much a streets guy we have our bike person we have our streets 01:15:49.080 --> 01:15:58.280 guy here he is staying on top of that for us as community so thank you mr. 01:15:58.280 --> 01:16:03.440 Holland so thank you all for your work thank you oh yes we have oh you have 01:16:03.440 --> 01:16:07.400 something all right I apologize when she asked final questions I forgot that I 01:16:07.400 --> 01:16:13.080 had a question so on the it was one of the attachments what was it called it's 01:16:13.080 --> 01:16:18.440 not this but it's the little chart the street metrics report I know we covered 01:16:18.440 --> 01:16:21.400 this in a previous meeting and my apologies for forgetting that one so the 01:16:21.400 --> 01:16:25.240 four point five miles on that first row of reconstruction that's just what 01:16:25.240 --> 01:16:29.660 streets department reconstructed correct that's not total across the city all 01:16:29.660 --> 01:16:33.560 departments correct Dana Kramer deputy director of operations yes these are the 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:37.960 metrics that we strike we track internally for our streets department we 01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:41.960 have this set up for streets and drainage and they're all on the website 01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:46.240 and we track a monthly through that do we have somewhere that we can see total 01:16:46.240 --> 01:16:50.560 like regardless of what pot of money or what department it comes from do we have 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:55.040 some sort of full list so we can see like a bigger picture of how much as a 01:16:55.040 --> 01:16:58.180 city we're reconstructing every year and if there's other pots of money doing 01:16:58.180 --> 01:17:02.060 mill and overlay you know just lumping it all together so we have like a full 01:17:02.060 --> 01:17:04.520 picture because I always get a little confused when I just see those little 01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:08.900 numbers right I don't think we have anywhere specifically on the website 01:17:08.900 --> 01:17:12.200 that has that posted that is something we can look at and I know we can't get 01:17:12.200 --> 01:17:14.600 you those numbers yeah that would be really helpful for just a future meeting 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:21.640 or something okay thanks and one thing I did want to clarify on the total miles 01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:30.120 for the street those are actually lane miles lane miles so we have roughly 500 01:17:30.120 --> 01:17:37.520 550 miles in the city of roadway and then we have over 15 1500 and I think it 01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:41.840 was 33 lane miles that we maintain a lane mile is actually a lane width and a 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:47.380 mile long so you know right out here McKinney is multiple lane miles because 01:17:47.380 --> 01:17:50.800 it's multiple widths wide so I just want to make sure we clarify that well thank 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:54.640 you I'm glad I brought it up you know I needed up some clarification on that 01:17:54.640 --> 01:18:07.120 appreciate it all right anything else upcoming public meetings all right so 01:18:07.120 --> 01:18:15.080 this is our future staff items so we provided the report for the bollards so 01:18:15.080 --> 01:18:23.360 that's we'd like to request to remove that okay the next couple will be we're 01:18:23.360 --> 01:18:25.820 still working on a transportation planning is working on that so that's 01:18:25.820 --> 01:18:30.080 the citywide parking study the concerns for bike lists and pedestrian safety on 01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:35.840 North and South Austin growing the bug bike bus programs and Hawks best 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:42.080 practices so those will be upcoming increasing wrapped equipment box 01:18:42.080 --> 01:18:48.240 locations that was already provided it looks like yeah do we want to leave that 01:18:48.240 --> 01:18:56.240 one on okay sorry that was coming back Jasmine's keeping me straight okay so we 01:18:56.240 --> 01:19:00.920 reported the quality quality control metrics so we'll request to remove that 01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:06.160 but we'll work on coming back with that full list of project or lane miles or 01:19:06.160 --> 01:19:11.920 however we want to work through that quarterly construction report that will 01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.360 be coming back or quarterly transportation services report will be 01:19:15.360 --> 01:19:21.560 coming back both of those are done quarterly side path and trail access and 01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:25.160 Mayhill Edwards alignment so we'll provide another update as we move 01:19:25.160 --> 01:19:29.480 through that there's going to be so there is a I'll clarify there is going 01:19:29.480 --> 01:19:35.440 to be I'll call it Mayhill phase 3 so we did close that that roadway but we still 01:19:35.440 --> 01:19:38.080 have to go back out there we're gonna tear out the pavement and then we're 01:19:38.080 --> 01:19:44.760 gonna do some adjustments to the bike path bike path bike pedestrian path and 01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.840 then our transportation planning group did go out there and do some additional 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:56.440 markings you know try to make that a safer crossing so and then we worked 01:19:56.440 --> 01:20:00.960 through the trip funding this time as well so we're requesting to remove that 01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:07.200 everybody's comfortable with the trip funding conversation okay all right 01:20:07.200 --> 01:20:14.360 perfect thank you so much or there any other items that let me let me clarify 01:20:14.360 --> 01:20:20.160 something here I'm sorry I'm have to interject here are we down here on MC 24 01:20:20.160 --> 01:20:26.360 days 047 future meeting topics right now yes ma'am okay that's why we are sorry 01:20:26.360 --> 01:20:32.280 because I thought we were still up here on MC 2 at 4 6 but we're down here any 01:20:32.280 --> 01:20:40.200 future items yes I have a question about row number 3 was that I feel like what 01:20:40.200 --> 01:20:44.240 do we call you committee member Bray may have brought that one up was that 01:20:44.240 --> 01:20:48.960 specific to some of the roads in downtown being closed for renovation or 01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:56.560 was that independent of that do we remember what that was I might have been 01:20:56.560 --> 01:21:04.920 talking about like the remarking element locusts after rebuild and potentially 01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:10.200 like including bike paths or something in that I that was a while ago yeah I'm 01:21:10.200 --> 01:21:13.280 trying to figure out that was something we still need or not mostly if it was 01:21:13.280 --> 01:21:17.120 like a temporary situation we can look into it we'll go back and watch the 01:21:17.120 --> 01:21:22.360 watch the recordings and see who brought it up and what we were talking about and 01:21:22.360 --> 01:21:26.880 for something I'd like to add for a future thing is I'd like to hear an 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:31.280 update on wherever we are and see whatever current designs we have for 01:21:31.280 --> 01:21:35.640 some of our major road projects so Bonnie Bray like any portions that are 01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:41.920 under design or have designs completed including 30% designs mingo if we have 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:46.760 any level of design on that and then Hickory Creek Road those are the ones 01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:51.320 coming to mind I'm just curious especially I'm a little jumpy after the 01:21:51.320 --> 01:21:54.480 Mayhill Edwards thing that sometimes things are on the ground and it's too 01:21:54.480 --> 01:21:58.040 late to change it and like for some reason we didn't notice something so 01:21:58.040 --> 01:22:03.800 I'd like to see some of that now before stuff is on the ground to ensure that 01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:08.320 what's what was promised is what's being delivered so if we could get those three 01:22:08.320 --> 01:22:12.200 items especially knowing specifically what the plans are for bike ped at this 01:22:12.200 --> 01:22:22.600 stage sure thanks I am going to add McKinney on McKinney Street at the 01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:30.080 courthouse I'm still just a bit concerned about the crosswalk game there 01:22:30.080 --> 01:22:37.040 I know that we we all look back in your history book and see when we discuss 01:22:37.040 --> 01:22:41.800 that because I know that there was some concern about the crosswalking especially 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:45.760 if we want people to our businesses would like for the people at the 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.960 courthouse to come to their business and do whatever it is that they're gonna do 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:54.240 over there it's still and there's a little hump you know a little heel there 01:22:54.240 --> 01:23:00.320 there's still some concern there in that area and can we revisit that sure maybe 01:23:00.320 --> 01:23:04.280 put up a crosswalk at least something I don't know what it is you don't have to 01:23:04.280 --> 01:23:09.920 answer that right now yeah we'll look into it look into that please also over 01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:13.840 in that area there's a little street called Janey Street that's on the side 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:18.800 of those businesses there I'm noticing cars are starting to park along there 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.680 for whatever reason I don't know if they're visiting the business or 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:29.280 whatever but the street is just needs somebody to just put it on the list for 01:23:29.280 --> 01:23:34.200 us to take a look at I think it's a part of one of our 2019 bond projects as 01:23:34.200 --> 01:23:39.360 well okay but I'll verify that okay it's not curved is that the one with the big 01:23:39.360 --> 01:23:45.360 tree road is not curved yeah so I want to start taking a look at that little 01:23:45.360 --> 01:23:49.400 community over there I know that there's been some world work over there but 01:23:49.400 --> 01:23:52.760 there's still some things that are missing for those folks over there I'm 01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:59.160 about 99% sure that it's one of our 2019 bond neighborhood projects I think we 01:23:59.160 --> 01:24:03.320 brought it up once before I think it was because of the tree but I'll revisit it 01:24:03.320 --> 01:24:17.560 please revisit that in the course and then of course I'm probably I'm hoping 01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:25.520 that I'm sure that that Paisley Roodale corner street connectivity the project 01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:34.440 maybe could bring that Roodale over to the page paisley it's kind of messed up 01:24:34.440 --> 01:24:37.960 over there yes ma'am there's no curves or anything over there for those folks 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:42.440 we want to take care of them sidewalks over there I'm just trying to get it all 01:24:42.440 --> 01:24:47.280 on them as well I'm thinking about it so that's what I have I like to have you 01:24:47.280 --> 01:24:55.920 on a yes ma'am with and I'm glad we're visiting this because I forgot to 01:24:55.920 --> 01:25:00.680 mention it like yesterday at council and I think it's probably more appropriate 01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:05.720 here for the matrix for mobility anyway with the realignment of the quiet zone 01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:14.400 at Roodale and Mingo that's our property across the street from the service 01:25:14.400 --> 01:25:21.760 center where we have some gravel piles and whatnot I I don't know whether you 01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:25.880 want to deliver to council or deliver to this group first I would like sort of an 01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:30.460 expectation planning sort of like what what's the alignment of our property in 01:25:30.460 --> 01:25:35.240 the roadways and and how's that that mobility impacts gonna as we come south 01:25:35.240 --> 01:25:41.320 towards the courthouse what what what do we see the use of our property kind of 01:25:41.320 --> 01:25:45.880 and on that alignment and how that's that's gonna work as that transition 01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:49.800 happens I'd like to add that yeah we can bring that back and that's going to be a 01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:55.080 part of our service center rebuild that we're doing currently and the Mingo 01:25:55.080 --> 01:25:59.800 Roodale 2023 bond program I believe we're going to we're going to utilize 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:05.040 that land for some kind of re aligning the service center but we can bring 01:26:05.040 --> 01:26:22.680 back what that kind of schematic looks like absolutely January January 29th 01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:29.300 2025 you should have that on your have you all sent the calendar out yet 01:26:29.300 --> 01:26:39.760 calendar invites out yeah you should see all right um next thing concluding items 01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:47.640 oh oh we have to take a phone for future items all right future items we need a 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:52.040 motion for approval for the future items a motion to approve the future items I 01:26:52.040 --> 01:27:02.360 second all in paper our discussion okay all in favor thank you I was just giving 01:27:02.360 --> 01:27:06.920 that instruction concluding items do we have any concluding items Merry 01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:11.240 Christmas everyone Merry Christmas everyone happy holidays have you all 01:27:11.240 --> 01:27:16.360 shout out to Chandra again I know I shouted out last month but last month 01:27:16.360 --> 01:27:24.520 Chandra excuse me excuse me it's good the meeting is not closed sir have see 01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:38.640 thank you she's gonna make you come back all right we're still doing concluding 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:43.720 items we've seen happy holidays I do want to just send another shout out to 01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:48.760 the city employees you guys are doing a great job and thank you for all your 01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:57.080 work now we're gonna close this meeting I wanted to do a shout out to Chandra 01:27:57.080 --> 01:28:02.240 which I gave a shout out last month for going with the bike bus and observing 01:28:02.240 --> 01:28:05.920 the kids and talking to the parents and they've already implemented some stop 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:09.840 signs and some infrastructure to help those kids already so I've already 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:12.240 heard from some of the parents their kids are able to cross the street more 01:28:12.240 --> 01:28:15.660 easily where some of these stop signs are put in around the school so really 01:28:15.660 --> 01:28:18.440 solid work I really appreciate the responsiveness and I know the parents do 01:28:18.440 --> 01:28:33.840 too yes I really appreciate it all right thank you all right I think that's it 01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:40.360 well the meeting is we'll close this meeting at 1126 thank you