Dec 18, 2024 Mobility Committee on 2024-12-18 10:00 AM

Good morning we are at the mobility committee Wednesday December 18 2024 10 a.m. in our council work session room we do have a quorum this morning are there any citizens comments on the agenda items number two items were individual consideration a MC 2 4 - 0 4 3 consider approval of the minutes of November the 20th 2024 so move a move and a second any kind of discussion all right so we can go for vote is there any dissension okay we got one abstination all in favor say thank you we'll be going to be MC 2 4 days 0 4 for receiver report and hold a discussion regarding potential bollard uses benefits options the city has improved cycling and walk link walking Greg Scott city of Denton transportation services and today so today we're going to talk about bollards were as just a generic term to represent forms of separation on the roadways and the goals that are related to this are that city of Denton has said that the human life is the most important aspect of road design that they want to as a strategy use physical features to encourage safety and to encourage biking and pedestrian use through low stress environments and bollards have a role in all those things they add real and perceived safety they are very timely and can add safety that way we have some recommendations talk about some of the characteristics and go to questions so as far as real safety studies have shown studies that are have been adopted by the US Department of Transportation have shown that when added to a bike lane they cut auto versus bike crashes in half and boats are even more important over time as it seems like our vehicles are getting bigger I've just drawn a full-size pickup not the monster pickups but in comparison to a cyclist and typical bike lane to kind of give us the kind of give a sense of why that's important why that sense of security is important important but I also wanted to introduce one of the many many ways that bollards can be used that aren't so common at least here and you can take bollards and it's called hardening the nose of the intersection so what it does is let me see if I can so in the before picture you've got left turn lane you've got the striped median and oftentimes if we see a break in traffic motorists will cross over this portion and do a kind of a wide angle turn versus a more 90 degree turn and this would be even more true for a lot of Denton streets that have that don't have left turn lanes right so you you you have this wide zone of conflict between the pedestrians and bicyclists which are getting the walk signal oftentimes and the left turning vehicles and by by putting bollards in a grouping here and squaring it squares up the turn so it makes this cone of uncertainty what I called it or the conflict area shorter it makes it more comfortable for the cyclist or bicyclist and and arguably literally safer. So that's another use of bollards that we could consider but there are many many uses of bollards. Lastly I'm wanting to point out that because bollards are relatively inexpensive and easy to place those opportunities through safety simply by doing things faster so I took a look at five years worth of crash data for fatal and significant injury crashes significant injury is where the person does not walk away they're incapacitated and there were 56 of those and about half of those were in repeat locations now I'm not saying it's the same exact cause I'm just saying that they were in the same area if if they were the same cause which I don't know being able to do something quicker could save lives okay it's kind of a mind exercise by doing it quicker if we could solve that issue if it were one issue then we could save lives and misery now a third of those were pedestrians and cyclists which are the you know most vulnerable road users so when you when you put those together there's a lot of potential benefit from bollards used in quick design build process projects and so that that is another benefit so three main recommendations and then we'll get to kind of some characteristics and bollards after that but one recommendation is to keep and expand on bollards use there are other opportunities besides along bike lanes that we could do if if as I think we are looking at different types of bollards we should continue to focus on their visibility they've got let's say if they're in a truck or something the driver needs to be able to look across the cab and see that there is a bollard there and have the mass so that if they hit a bollard they know it which is increasingly difficult in a big truck right as trucks get bigger and then even though I'm going to put some typicals out there as recommendations I want to be clear that when it comes down to it the design the placement of bollards what they look like everything really should be context-sensitive so how fast is the road how much traffic a lot of conditions could go into that so there's a lot of variety of ways to apply them so my hope is not to set a standard and say these are the way bollards should be and nothing else right that's let's make it relaxed so I'm looking at different types of bollards by the definition we said it's separation so they can be extremely short that's a few inches that can be mixed and then kind of the typical one which is 30 to 42 inches is what you see and so that would be the recommended total and you could go up or down depending on traffic and depending on speeds and a lot of factors the width they can be very thin these are very interesting so they're extremely thin and unobtrusive in a way you know these are kind of the typical ones you might see in a construction area very wide and you know based on the the definition that we have called for bollards they can get even to parking putting parking in between bike lane let's say in the curb or vice versa the bike lane in between the parking and the curb interval spacing even within the city of Denton we have a lot of variation on that so we have you know continuous on one end very very extreme on this one this is actually a construction site but it can be very very frequent if you have a lot of trucks for example or just simply highlighting we have a few roads in Denton where it's a residential area and they just they've put a bollard where the driveways are so but it's very simple and not a lot in between so it's a it's not really a very obtrusive not very expensive but it just highlights the most important areas and then reflectivity that's kind of a new you know category because technology and reflectivity has really changed I think you may have seen retro reflective reflectivity you caught you say it so it directly comes back at you and it looks exactly like a light to me obviously that's more expensive but again these are the range of options even going to lighting as you've probably already seen and then you know there's a lot of innovation that can be applied to it love this one got the orcas down to old tires that have been repurposed so with that you know this is really in a nutshell I've tried to compress the myriad of ways that bollards can be used some of their benefits so with that open it to our turn it back over to you thank you well I've been taking so many notes but what I think we'll do is this historic this wing my first question is just you cited a 56% reduction in collisions when bike lane bike lanes were protected is that an absolute reduction or a relative reduction to the number of users of the bike lane like usage of the bike lane doubled this a 56% reduction work out to still half of the crashes or about the same yeah because you might have increased ridership or not ridership but use right is what you're saying so it would be on the same system so this is from the crash modification clearing house and and how it's used is that if you have a road with the same conditions that they specify it's both based on before and after studies so it would be simply I think it could in account for increased increased ridership or in use but I think I could get back to you on on more of that but that's the way it's designed to be used is on this type of roads if you want to forecast crashes certain kinds of crashes that's this is how you would apply it if I could go back to the kind of grouping of all of the different types of bollards so in the third row there that third picture the one with the semi truck those aren't installed bollards right those are those are placed bollards they just yeah yeah I just thought it was a kind of an example of a very frequent yeah placement so for those we could like I live off of Fulton we have the new elementary and middle school on Fulton if we wanted to demo bike lanes on Fulton we wouldn't even have to maybe install anything we could just place those oh yeah we'll see how it goes yeah yeah when I worked for Orange County we did exactly that yeah we glued it down we glued them down and pulled them up afterwards and then yeah okay well if you if you want to hit up my street I'd love to see that and then finally just on those placemaking and innovation ones I I just want to call out that I think Denton does have some non-traditional bollards if we're using kind of an expansive idea of that which is just like those planters that we have on the downtown corners that are yay wide those are acting as bollards or I think maybe my favorite example is is the dog start sculpture on the scripture and Bonnie Bray roundabout hmm which if you think about it as a bollard that prevents somebody from just driving straight over the roundabout okay so I think we're using those already and I'd like to see more of them mm-hmm I love that yes sir yeah I am I appreciate the the sort of a high-level overview I one thing that I would I think would help me and hopefully would help the committee is you know let's say start from this table there it's not clear because you made the explicit point that the right the right traffic control device in the right location right and so as we are sort of providing oversight it's not you know I understand there's like a wide overlap of any any physical barrier will kind of function to some degree but what's the right item in the right location you know do we need more traditional traffic bollards in in like say dense downtown corridors or you know or is that better to have the art type in residential areas what are the best practices I know that dr. but and his team well all of y'all have been working on alternatives because say in some residential areas there's there's a mixed response because they like the life-saving aspects of the bollards and not the aesthetics mm-hmm and so you have mixtures of those different types and so I guess my question is after that long preamble is as time allows I think it would be helpful for me and the committee to kind of understand your vision and the staff's vision for best practices and best applications and and and where you anticipate making recommendations for types of uses you know and and how that would play out so that that was you any any thoughts before I ask a second question I think what's the best use in the best place kind of thing yeah I think I had the general approach which is just from a safety standpoint I mean that's where staff comes in right is safety first and that is you got to look at your speeds you got to look at the vehicle mix how big the vehicles are and such beyond that there is just pure preference and I don't know if that belongs to us but certainly when we go out to the public and talk to them we should be talking to them about what their preferences are right because it's it's aesthetic that's you know my aesthetics are different than yours necessarily so so in in in that regard I noticed that and this will go to the I think sort of the the sort of the cone of uncertainty the example that you gave mm-hmm some of these are are more expensive obviously like the old tires with reflectors are super probably super cheap how we attach them to the ground and how much it cost to bake them I know that our current sort of four or five inch bollards that we like to use are are fairly inexpensive and quickly replaced but now back to the cone of uncertainty I know that I notice we clip them a lot all over town not not on Parkway and Congress because they're about two feet apart but anywhere where they're irregularly apart we get especially at the intersections in Old North and stuff they they you're taking them out all the time so I'm I'm curious one thing that would help me in the future and recommendations is is sort of knowing that interplay of replacement cycle and and damage like I would love to have like the orca one from I assume that's Puget Sound area but that's lovely and I could we could all imagine old Texas ones or something you know here in Denton but not if our trucks are gonna do wide curves and clip them and force $10,000 replacements every time yeah that we have that so you know like that that's sort of interplay of cost and aesthetics and safety all at the same time I would love some comment on that. Good morning Jim, Farhan Butt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services. Yes we are looking into that aspect and we there are many options as Greg presented and we are filtering down the option that would serve as standard for our context sensitive cases based case by case basis we can decide but we are evaluating that as we speak and in that evaluation I mean I'm gonna encourage you to bring in some of the like you know the public art community I mean if you I mean I I think we all reacted to some of the the pretty ones yeah and so that might be an opportunity to get some synergies but obviously the safety first and yes we will share we'll circulate we'll share that information once we finalize do you have sort of a timeline and this is the end of my questions chair you have a sort of timeline and when we're gonna dial into this sort of thing this will be likely we could we could do something maybe in February okay yeah I'm just writing some notes here for myself I it sounds like there might have to be a little committee or something to kind of gather up some thoughts you know as you all are putting it together bringing in a community member you know rather than us sitting here and in kind of acting like the committee in sort of that sense so when you come back to us you will have something full for us to you know kind of yay and a and then we'll move it on to wherever else it goes but just kind of you know I don't want this to be your committee that you're looking for because we have so much other stuff to do so yeah we're looking forward to you all bringing something back for us just a couple of things I have noted here I did make a firm statement that I do not like about bollards but maybe it was a statement more of I do not like the bollards that I see in then because I am very you know pro use we do need these bollards in a sense so I appreciate the recommended typical bollards page that you have here so we can pull our thoughts together on that but I do know that over on old north you know around here on Parkway I'd like to I don't think that we've heard an update on how people are gauging that you know have we had some communication from the community about you know hey we hate these things get them out of the way we keep clipping our cars on these things maybe it's the wrong kind of bollard you know like you said it could be it has a purpose but the aesthetics part and the practicality part you know you guys are gonna be putting that together so the other thing for those site is there a such thing as a sight unseen road I'm thinking about this road right here it's Parkway Oakland goes over into Parkway and that the bout bollards that are there they start at withers and they kind of wrap around all the way down to Carol just right here I'm just using that term because I didn't know the other term but have you all had any kind of you know what are the people saying about that what's the what's the comment on that does anybody have you all had any comments from the people Susie what are we saying for Han but every director transportation services we we have we are looking at all North as a as an example North yes and we are we have some comments on that and we we are utilizing those as a feedback for the evaluation process okay there are other places as well but I think mainly we are looking at all north and we'll be drafting a report soon and share with the mobility committee and then of course over Fulton you know where the new school is and all of that we haven't heard anything but good positive things about that area it sounds like yep okay sort of Crescent yeah I say full time Crescent yes okay the new ones yeah yeah thank you and then why do I have a university drive on here I don't know why and then oh I wanted to ask a question about bike lanes is there a standard for the width of the bike lanes or do they I know you could put two and two but what about that with each one the guidance is minimum four feet okay minimum and but protected bike there's a great variety of that obviously the more room you get the more comfort and probably actual safety protected bike lanes are something that you have two stripes you basically have about two feet of striping between the the general purpose lane and the bike lane so that's that's six feet that's also another kind of classic version but but I would say like everything there's people are going to bike you've got a you've got a accommodate and you give them the best you can all right thank you so you mentioned something about the most important areas there was a statement that you made that we will look at the most important areas yeah I mean I don't know that I meant that necessarily but I mean I just but my question is my question is how is that decision made I mean who makes you all are going to be coming together and making that decision based on standards more so or more based on the complaints and the nature by which the citizen and the type of bike lane that they might want because as I understand right now it is about aesthetics it has a purpose but it is more about aesthetics that's what I heard who is going to help make that decision well often on what type of bike the most the most clear way that I think we're going to be addressing this is through vision zero which once we identify some of the hot spots where there's a lot of crashes due to lack of separation then those will be good targets for creating that separation and bollards would be one of that toolbox okay all right well that is all that I have we are supposed to pretty much wrap this up they gave me 30 minutes to actually talk about this but of course we know how fluid we are so what I'll do is I'll ask for at least another 10 minutes and we'll pull some time away from something else but let's go up continue on with your questions I love the the shark fin and I and I could see that big I have a great place near the water park or by the splash pad or any place where there's water I think that I really really like that the the term you used early in your presentation hardening the nose yes tell me how that tell me what that I know I know I saw the graphic yeah but where's the nose the nose section so like if you had a physical median right with curbs that would be a hard nose you couldn't drive easily drive over it right to make the left turn I'm going the wrong direction left left turn so by using boards which would otherwise be something you could easily drive over the bollards create that barrier and it hardens the the nose the the tip of that I see that median okay and that brings me to something else when when a motorist hits a bollard they need to know they hit it but it but do you agree that it needs to do no damage to the vehicle hitting the bollard well I think that's context sensitive too I mean every we've put if you hit those shark fins I don't know that it would do absolutely no damage but you know all these things are engineering judgment that need to be applied based on the circumstances again I mean if there was like a zoo with a bunch of you know our elementary school with a bunch of kids you could see you know at some point you might want to use a more drastic options which brings me to another question what's under the bollard oh what what's literally under it oh it varies right I mean they've got ones that are mounted on spring so they can come back over there a lot of the ones that we see they're just glued to the asphalt and I mean it varies as much as there are bollards very right some are implanted are in the ground a lot of them if one were to hit one of these would it do damage to one's car I'm not a familiar with these ones exactly I don't know what's like probably not okay it looks like I'll take I'll take a cue from the audience you might get a you might get a Buffy scratch on your bumper but like you get it's nothing they are actually bolted down the ones that you're talking about on the side yeah so they are not glued so yes they they may have some minor damage I mean fender fender but it's not gonna be tossed sure okay and it's for uniformity I can see how one would how a city would would need to limit the number of bollards because you're gonna if one gets knocked over you're gonna want to replace it you don't want to replace a tall skinny one with a fat short one fair enough so so I can see how one would want to limit the inventory if that's the correct term of yeah of bollards yeah this is not an easy thing to put in a box very big variety but there is definitely advantages to limiting your inventory so you're not yeah I think that's all I've got did I mention I like the shark fin go ahead hi thanks for this presentation I just want to emphasize just anybody who might be watching that bollards are a game-changer in terms of getting people to use the bike lanes that we're spending money building but it also gives access to this form of transport to more people including our youngest residents our oldest residents Dutton has surveyed residents on just their opinions and perceptions of bike lanes a few times I think there was like a 2018 one we had the audit I think earlier this year or last year maybe and every single time people tend to like some people feel safe in an unpainted or in a painted unprotected bike lane but most people feel way safer in off-road trail side path or a protected bike lane so if we want people to actually use what we're building and have access to this opportunity they need to be able to feel safe and comfortable like they're not gonna die because that's always what I hear people tell me they're like I wish I could bike but I just don't feel safe and if I just observe around town like I live off of Malone Street I frequently see people riding on the sidewalk instead of the unprotected bike lane because they don't feel safe the cars are whizzing by too close there's just not a buffer it's really uncomfortable and that's not great because sidewalks are really designed for people moving a lot slower than that walking wheelchair and so that kind of creates a speed differential and a conflict so really we want bicycle and e-scooter traffic to be in you know their own designated space so they're not conflicting with other traffic and the best way to do that is to provide usable safe separated infrastructure like this that you know there's not cars parked in it so in terms of you know what type of baller reuse I'm pretty indifferent my only request and desires on that is that it keeps the bike lane clear so that there's people can't easily pull into it and park which happens all the time if anybody ever goes down Highland Street and UNT almost like 95% of the time I bike down there I have to like go into oncoming car traffic because somebody is blocking the bike lane because it's unprotected so you know as long as it's keeping cars out people feel uncomfortable like some people might just crash into those plastic posts so the ones that we mostly use here are bolted down there's just like a bolt you can actually sort of peek down a hole in the top of one and see what's in there but you know I just want cars you know to not feel comfortable just pulling into them right because if it's blocked all the time people aren't going to use it they're gonna go on the sidewalk they're gonna be in the car lane and then drivers are mad there's a bicyclist in the car lane right so if cars are out of the bike lane and the bike lane is clear more people will use it more people will feel comfortable using it so I really want to emphasize that aspect in terms of when we're looking at bollard options I'm very open to experimenting with some different ones I know there's best practices out there other cities are using a variety of these we can talk to people ask their experience see what other people are doing what they're finding is effective and in terms of the way they look I know a lot of cities they'll do the plastic post starting off as like a quick build kind of thing but then as that bike lane becomes more established over time and those ballers keep getting damaged and replaced and there's all this maintenance at some point they start looking at more durable options so like bolt-down curbs some cities just fully build a curb in there but that's you know no more that's more of a capital project it's gonna cost a lot more money but bolt-down curbs are a possibility that's lower profile I'm not as short as that very short I could drive right over that with my car like I don't think that's gonna stop anybody from entering the bike lane but bolt-down curbs as long as they're high enough that it would damage somebody's like we then that generally will keep people out so there's a lot of options in terms of the quick build so maybe you do plastic and then over time we do something that's more durable and maybe not as offensive looking to people but we absolutely do need to keep protecting stuff if we actually want people using it and not getting hurt I think that's all I have thank you so much for the presentation and it sounds like we are are we gonna move forward on this do we need a vote or we need some direction or how are we is this something that is just ongoing can you help us with that question we're gonna continue to work through this I did hear that you know we'll come back in February kind of with more recommendations we'll get some feedback from various stakeholders okay truly some of the tools that we already have and working through vision zero the audit etc so okay that's gonna come back to us well we our city is known for our tree people our dog people are these people are homeless people we have so many different interests in this community and all of those people make sure that our council is very aware very well aware that they're there but the beauty of this particular committee is that we have our very own bicycle person our bike guru on is on this committee so we're gonna be and you can see the passion you can hear the passion so we're gonna be looking forward to her being as a part of that conversation as well and help guide us with our biking and bollards thank you sir appreciate it thank you a conversation okay so we're gonna move on to MC to for days and zero four five receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the city of Denton's project status update on the Denton County Transportation Authority reinvestment program trip for the fiscal year 21 through 24 thank you good morning Trevor crane director of capital projects so today I'm going to go through just status update of our trip projects so really wanted to start off just going through kind of the trip program itself the objective the objective of the trip program is to provide financial assistance to DCTA members member cities for transit supportive projects consistent with and beneficial to DCTA's long-range service plan goals so got a couple of graphs here not gonna go through all of them but this is really kind of the improvement type and really the criteria that we have to meet in order to submit those projects so very lengthy depending on what the improvement type is lots of restrictions or criteria that we need to meet when we submit these projects this is really just a selection approval process so DCTA will issue a call for projects in January of each calendar year we the city will submit an application for projects within 90 days of that call for projects DCTA staff will have 30 days to review the application to determine if that project meets eligibility or requesting additional information from the city and then after completion of the review eligible applications will be placed on the agenda for the next regularly scheduled DCTA board of directors meeting for consideration the DCTA board will lead the approval and award process so this is just a quick snapshot of all the projects we've completed to date so the hallway crossing project Bell sidewalk Med Park Mayhill Road phase 2 said a and said B so some of these were specific trip projects some of these were CIP projects where we lumped in some DCTA funds to meet some of the requirements for those for those sections all right so these are current projects we're working with the first one is the a train to UNT bike and ped pass so we call this the sycamore side path project summary for this is improvements on sycamore sycamore and welch to serve DCTA customers traveling from the a train to downtown and ultimately to the UNT campus so this provides pedestrian connectivity which will serve DC DCTA customers accessing route 7 and DCTA and UNT shuttle routes project status is construction has actually just went out to bid earlier I mean just within the last month estimated schedule is anywhere are between quarter one of 25 to quarter one of 2026 you can see the trip funding requests there and then we have submitted some reimbursements for this project so these are all reimbursement projects we spend the money up front and then trip reimburses on the back end next project is Jennings Alexander so this is sidewalks at Alexander Elementary which will provide vital connectivity to DCTA passengers and to the entire student body the majority of whom reside within two miles of the campus and are not provided bus service so this project is currently under construction estimated consult will go to construction early next year in January we anticipate that taking a year so quarter one of 25 to quarter one of 2026 you can see the estimate completion for this project and how much we got from trip and then we have submitted one reimbursement so far and we'll continue to do that as we construct the project. Next up is Nettie Schultz and Pecan Creek and just as an aside SRTS stands for safe routes to school so if we see SRTS I know you I don't like the abbreviations but I don't I didn't have enough room to spell it all out so safe routes to school. Pecan Creek and Nettie Schultz which was previously Woodrow Wilson Elementary providing safe routes to school through sidewalk connectivity and crosswalks so those projects will go to construction early next month quarter another year project so quarter one of 25 through quarter one of 2026 estimated completion is 830,000 we got a hundred thirty seven thousand through trip funding have received one reimbursement and will continue to seek reimbursements as construction moves forward. Next up is our UPR quiet zone and pedestrian improvements project summary this will provide sidewalk connectivity improvements to the currently will be added to the currently planned UPR quiet zone improvements in downtown so three rail three rail grade crossings will be improved to provide a widened sidewalks including McKinney Hickory and Sycamore improving pedestrian access between downtown and a DCTA a train station and bus service. So just we finished design planning on the estimated schedule for design was q2 of 2022 so has been a long design process we're anticipating going to construction in q3 of 2025 and we anticipate that finishing up in q4 of 2026 you'll see there's a kind of a big gap between when design is complete and when we go to construction and that's to order the materials that it takes to turn those crossings into quiet zone so there's a big procurement process and there we have to work through. Estimated completion is about eight hundred and thirty two thousand dollars we received or approved for five hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars through trip and then we're working through our first reimbursement which is for the design portion of that project. Loop 288 sidewalks so these are sidewalks along loop 288 between the junction facility for persons experience homelessness and our daily bread facility. New sidewalks will be constructed on the west side of the street south of the junction and on the east side of the street north of McKinney Street to market. A mix of residential and commercial development along this portion of loop 388 will benefit from this side complete sidewalk connectivity so there were a lot of what we call goat pass a lot of not connected sidewalks there so this project is really to connect provide that full connectivity. This project is currently under construction we anticipate construction being complete you know any day now. Estimated completion was three hundred sixty thousand dollars so this project was fully funded by trip and then we'll request construction or will request reimbursement once we finish construction. These are our downtown sidewalks so this is multiple sidewalk improvements in a downtown area under our 2018 and 19 CIP sidewalk improvement projects. All the segments are completely designed and are planned for construction anywhere from 2022 to 2025 so some of these are already complete some are planned within the next year. I've listed there the segments that are that are affected. Project status were currently in construction. We're estimating completing that by quarter one of 2025. This was estimate completion about 1.2 million dollars and the funding request from trip was about 1.1. Working through the first request for reimbursement on these projects as well. This is our Moore Street on street trail so this is Moore Street is currently a two lane street in southeast Denton. The city has received multiple complaints about speeding in the corridor so there was an opportunity to narrow the street and provide an on-street trail as a traffic calming and multimodal access opportunity. So this project will improve access to the DCTA train, rail trail and buses with their added benefit of improving trail user safety by narrowing the rail trail crossing at Moore Street. So we started design in quarter four of 2022 and we're anticipating going to construction quarter three of 2023. We actually brought this project to community for community feedback and received a lot of different feedback and so instead of just going out and installing something we wanted to back up wait for our transportation planning group to get on board and we're currently kicking that project back off working through it with our transportation planning and our community to make sure that what we're installing will provide the benefit that that the community wants and needs. So estimate completion is about $193,000 and our anticipated request or anticipated reimbursement from trip will be $152,500. We'll start reimbursement as soon as we start some go through design and start construction. Shady Oaks DCTA crossing quiet zone improvements. So currently there are three DCTA crossings with wayside horns in the city of Denton, Sycamore, Shady Oaks and Mayhill. Both Sycamore and Mayhill crossings will be improved with city CIP projects removing the need for those wayside horns so that leaves only Shady Oaks as the as being one where they have to blow the horn. So as a part of this project we'll be adding quad gates to eliminate the requirement of the wayside horn and provide a true quiet zone corridor once all three projects are complete. So project status we're finished with design. We are looking to go to construction in quarter three of 2025 and hoping to be done by quarter four of 2026. Again you see that gap between design and construction and that's really to procure those materials to start that construction. This was fully funded by TRIP so $75,000 and of course we'll work through the reimbursement once we start construction. Katy Trail Mayhill in Colorado. So this will have improvements required for the closure of the at grade crossing at grade DCTA rail crossing on Mayhill for the new Mayhill bridge opening. Improvements include but a not limited to pavement removal, curb and gutter, 10-foot sidewalk and ramps and pedestrian signal upgrades. So as a side note DCTA agreed the existing pedestrian sidewalk crossing of the tracks can remain open allowing access to the Katy Trail along the west side of the DCTA tracks accessing Met Park Station. Estimated schedule so quarter four 2024 will finish up design by the city then DCTA has to do their design for the work that they have to do as a part of that. They're anticipating starting that in January and then hopefully we can move to construction pretty quickly after that quarter one of 2025 with having the complete construction done in quarter three of 2025. Estimated completion $800,000 with $514,000 being eligible for reimbursement through trip. Bonnie Bray and UNT side pass. So this is a part of the Bonnie Bray phase 3 project. We are using the trip funding to provide the side pass along that corridor. So this is from I-35 to Rose Lawn which widens Bonnie Bray from a two-lane rural to a four lane divided urban and includes a five-foot sidewalk and 10-foot side pass along both sides of Bonnie Bray. Street and pedestrian improvements between I-35 and Willowwood will provide better access and service to DCTA University routes. So this project is currently under construction. We're anticipating paving to start in Q2 of 2026. This is a nine million dollar portion of the project so paving and sidewalk improvements between I-35 and Willowwood and we're getting five million dollars back from the trip funding request. McKinney Street multimodal improvements. So in addition to the city's active 10-foot multi-use path project between loop 288 and Woodrow Lane currently in design, feasibility study will be conducted along McKinney Street from Carroll Boulevard to Woodrow Lane in an effort to provide multimodal mobility enhancement enhancements for non-motorized and shared mobility users incorporating a combination of mixed-use paths and/or bike lanes with user safety as the prime focus. So status we're currently in the feasibility for planning and safety stage so our transportation planning group is working through this with our support. Got an estimated schedule there and then the funding we anticipate it being about six point seven million dollars with the city providing five point two five of that and trip providing one point five. Woodrow Lane multimodal improvements. Woodrow Lane between East McKinney and Spencer will provide multimodal mobility enhancements for non-motorized and shared mobility users based on feasibility studies incorporating a combination of side paths, on-street paths and/or bike lanes with user safety as a prime focus. So this is another one that transportation planning is leading at this point with CIP support currently in the initiation feasibility for planning and safety portion. Estimate completion is about eight hundred fifty thousand dollars with it being fully reimbursable through trip funding. Moore Street Woodrow Lane signal transit improvements. So this project will provide a traffic signal and pedestrian safety signals at Moore Street and Woodrow Lane. The transit signal priority will also be implemented with these signal improvements. These improvements will enhance the Moore Street reconstruction project completed in 2023 by with a five-foot sidewalk was installed previously and these signal improvements will also complement the Moore Street on-street trail project approved in our 2022 trip submissions. So this one's also being headed up by transportation planning at this group. At this stage I'm hoping to go to construction in quarter two of 2025 with eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars being reimbursed through trip. Ronnie Road side paths and safety improvements. So this is a current project that CIP is heading up and we added some trip funding to take care of the sidewalk improvements. So providing a eight-foot side path the new DISD Elementary School is currently in construction will open in 2025. So we wanted to make sure that we're ensuring safety our student pedestrian safety until the project is the ultimate project is complete. The city has already installed a temporary five-foot side path so this project would make that a permanent side path. Anticipate construction starting in quarter three of 2024 and then the funding the project is actually 6.5 million dollars total 5.7 is provided by the city with 750,000 being reimbursable. And our sidewalk connectivity and shelter pad allowances. So this was a request for 1 million dollars to support the DCTA managed design and construction of 88 concrete landing and shelter pads and sidewalk connections to and from existing and new bus stop locations and high priority locations along connect routes three six and seven. This one's currently through initiate or is currently in the initiation stage. Transportation services is coordinated with DCT DCTA to understand where those pads will be so that we can design the connectivity to them. Estimate completion will be a million dollars and trip funding received will be that 1 million dollars. That was a lot of information. So John talked man it was it was a lot but I mean we have a lot of projects we're working with DCT DCTA on and working to get those completed. So happy to answer any questions I've got my partners from transportation planning here so if we got anything for them. Okay thank you great presentation. I'm just gonna take the privilege of going first because I am recognizing that the district that I serve the group of people that count on me to speak for them to advocate for you know some of their deeds. It's just clearly evident here that you all have been listening you all have been working very hard to you know get us to this point where I can I can kind of like I'm so happy for district one. I really feel very emotional about this because this is what people they pick the phone up and say hey I am tired of hearing this horn in my backyard. Is there something that you can do about this? You know and then you act on it and you make sure that it happens and now we can see that it's coming to fruition. I am representing an older area of the city and just want to say that there are a lot of things that are happening in in the area that I serve so thank you all very much. I know I know it wasn't because you all like me more than everyone else but it is a fact that that area does need. It is a fact that that area had been neglected for a long time and now we're catching up so thank you very much. I also want to congratulate the folks over in Southeast Dent and they've been very concerned and complaining about Moore Street for I don't know past 30 years so to see that come to fruition is very it's just it's just too much too much to say so I'm just gonna stop there I do have a lot of page numbers written here page 11 page 16 to go back but I know that I would take up too much time so I'm gonna go ahead and start here on the left side this time and let's just have this conversation coming down this way. Thank you chair. I'm really excited about a lot of the the sidewalk projects I've seen that loop 288 one is starting to kind of go in and it looks like maybe there's also a tech stop putting in some sidewalk north of there if you don't know that off the top of your head that's okay but there's great there's great stuff happening because there are all the goat paths what suggests there's a lot of foot track traffic over there so that's really exciting the quiet zones is really exciting more Street is really exciting I do have a question about more Street so you kind of talked about the timeline and the construction was supposed to be 2023 but we're sort of you know making sure everybody's on the same page and happy with what what's gonna happen and do you do we have sort of a time frame on on when we might think construction would begin on that yeah so as far as construction I don't want to give you a time frame I mean we've kicked off that project within the last couple months starting to go through those conversations really what happened kind of back in 2023 we we learned some lessons about some projects we put in we don't we learned we don't want to assume what the community wants we don't want to just say you know this is best practice we're gonna do this for you want to make sure that we're talking with our community making sure that what we put in is what they what they're seeing at that out there what they need so that really calls us to take a step back and say you know we need to do some more research on this so once Farhan his team got on board we've actually had a couple meetings within the last I'd say last three months to start formulating what our plan is to to really make sure that we're providing the benefits that we need out there so I don't want to give you a dumb it's really gonna depend on kind of the the feedback we get from from the community and making sure that we do it right excellent thank you yeah I know there's some challenges with that segment I've gone and looked at it one second we find where I was so Katie trail what was initially pitched when asking for the trip funding is very different if you want the number that's slide 13 yeah so what was pitched was that there was going to be a trail so that's sort of the dotted line there and that that would eliminate two at-grade crossings for trail traffic across the line and also make it easier like those z-gate crossing things that you have to weave through really hard for people with cargo bikes and people pulling kiddie trailers it's hard for them to navigate that so this would have eliminated two sort of unnecessary crossings of the railroad and so that's what was pitched and this is quite a bit different can you describe sort of the process and reasoning of sort of going away from the trail and who was like what stakeholders were approached about this when making this decision sort of who got to have a say or opinion in it because I had not seen this until this presentation to just change it happened I had no idea sure yeah so really when we're kind of pitching these projects to DCTA you know we're looking at kind of the same things you just described like this would probably be the the best case scenario this eliminates these things and these things once we get the project and we start designing them then we get out there and say okay there's some major drainage issues out here there's a gonna be a pedestrian bridge that's required in order to put this trail in and so once we start going to kind of going through you know all those pitfalls of the proper finding all these pitfalls of a project we have to determine do we keep moving forward and pump more money into this or we back up and try to find a better solution and so for this one we worked with DCTA as a part of changing the scope of this and that's kind of where it came from we found a better I'm not gonna say better solution but a more cost-effective solution that still meet met the requirements of the project and that's kind of where the scope changes a part of this project I will say that this that you're seeing scoped here is not dead you know we're still looking at trying to to make that connection because I do think it's valuable to have that kind of connection on the north side of that DCTA bridge so it is a project we're still you know trying to make happen but that was kind of where where that change came from and just to clarify I feel like you clarified it but I just want to ask it's very specifically so somebody was asking in terms of the road the permanent closure between the new Mayhill and the railroad so that the roadway for cars is being permanently closed I assume the pavements being removed or something along those lines eventually let me if you can clarify pedestrian traffic will still be able to go from the rail trail to let's say that light blue line that you have here they can still still be able to cross the rail there to go down Colorado Boulevard yes the rail crossing will still stay in place for pedestrians okay I just wanted to make sure that I had that accurate yeah because I don't want to give people wrong information I think I have one more I'm sorry I'm having to you did I don't know what it was but that was the probably the main one I think I think those were some of the main ones it's a lot of stuff and I really appreciate I think I'm the one who asked for this presentation so I really appreciate y'all giving this to us absolutely one please a slide 14 Bonnie Bray will will will sidewalks ever precede road construction I don't want to tell you they never will but typically those are the last things that go in okay okay because they're they're easily breakable I mean they're much thinner concrete and so you've still got big machinery moving around and doing things you'll end up breaking them and having to come back and so rule of thumb is it's the last thing that's done right before we do side and those types of things side is usually in landscaping is typically the last thing but right before that sidewalks perfect thank you yes sir yeah I had a appreciate I I love I'm glad that Commissioner Rubar asked the questions it I I know it was a lot to do a John Poulter type but everything in the kitchen sink presentation but I think it provides a lot of a framework and contextuality to the issues so we have a number of projects and because you have to cue them and you can't do them all at once because you don't have an infinite crew some of them are going back to older funds if do we ever have any problems with I know all the funds are encumbered but do we ever run into issues with our friends at DCTA where their sweeps or something else where the funds are clawed back because of our timelines we're never in any danger of losing that funding right yeah so I'll say to my knowledge we've never had any funding taken back from us there are projects where like you pointed out we're multiple years behind but that's really just a conversation with DCTA we let them know we keep them up to date on what's going on if we need to shift money around or move it to a different scope that's a conversation with DCTA so they've been great partners in any of these projects to where you know if we're behind or not showing any progress it's just a conversation with them and I think within the last couple of years we really just across the board and all capital projects is making sure that we're putting these projects out in a timely manner not letting anything sit and so catching up that backlog and I don't foresee that being a problem anytime soon no I appreciate that it comes up all the time in various budgeting talks in various groups like well there's X million dollars sitting well there's not X million dollars sitting there because they're all encumbered funds well I I'm a little different now I like to spend the money as fast as they give it to me because if not somebody else will come and use it for their project so as soon as I get it I'm gonna start building stuff the the other question I had and I guess I I got sort of two and I noticed something like project 18 and 22 so I guess that's slide 14 slide 18 it was a little unclear to me is it is it street and side path or just side path or both that's being paid out trip funds yeah so specifically 18 Bonnie Bray was already going to be a project the only thing that we have to use the trip fund specifically for those those different type of improvements so we tell DCTA hey we're gonna put in side paths as a part of Bonnie Bray phase five but we can only reimburse for the pieces that are approved as a part of DCTA so for this one specifically Bonnie Bray you won't we won't be able to get any reimbursements until almost the end of the project because we're not gonna put in the sidewalks to the end so we have to submit pay apps that show hey we installed this many feet of eight foot sidewalk which was the approved scope and then we get reimbursed for it so for these we're we're completing street curb everything drainage but we're getting reimbursed for the side path portion correct right okay all right that that's one piece and then I guess the only other question I had is a slide forward project e7 I guess that's the bridge what I'm the new bridge Mayhill yeah what what how much of that is trip funding because I mean almost all these the scopes were for side path for amenities for bike and pad uses for routes are we we didn't do we did we build the bridge with trip funding no okay that was the concern it was sort of related to the previous question so this is just the pathing correct all of the portion that was approved as a part of the trip request okay great that that that's all mine thank you okay I just want to start out by echoing Suzy a lot of good projects here appreciate you telling us about them and more importantly you doing them righty road the bus pads all of the sidewalks especially to the schools so I just have two questions so I notice on a lot of these maps you have DCTA bus routes right currently there's as far as I'm aware not a publicly available map with all of the bus routes in the city of Denton DCTA has their route maps but each one chose individually a single route so you can look at route 7 and then to figure out how you would get transferred route 6 you have to look at their map of route 6 and then look at their map of route 7 and go oh do these intersect if somewhere so if that's information that we could post publicly and I you know I hate to say do DCTA's job for them but you know throw on some schedule I think that would be a good public resource and then second I just I want to ask about the McKinney kind of interim safety improvements that have been discussed with protecting those shoulders that are currently being used as sidewalk is bike lane is that still on the menu it is so I actually have a project manager that's over the McKinney the permanent one and then we've also tasked him to work with our consultant on that to give us a proposal for some of those temporary sidewalks are temporary measures I think I'm trying to remember when he said to me but I want to say it was late last week that he sent me a couple of options so we're working with our transportation planning team to determine which option is the best where we're gonna put those you know exactly how that because any funding that we use for that temporary comes out of the big pot for the permanent so well make sure that we're not you know putting off a permanent solution just to do temporary so working through all those logistics but definitely still working on that yeah and then I mean if we do we were just having that presentation on baller so if we if we get something I imagine if it becomes just a temporary project or it's upgraded to permanent infrastructure if we want maybe permanent bike lanes on the side of that we could we could go reuse those and put them somewhere else and then repeat the whole process so thank you thank you anybody else you know again thank you everybody got you all thank you so much for your work not Scott thank you that's got yeah Scott didn't do anything thank you staff memorandum DMC 2 4 - 0 4 6 staff member random quality control metric so I won't read through all this stuff but we provided this as a part of one of the questions that came up last last time so if y'all have any further questions comments be happy to speak to any questions yes question yeah this was mine and I appreciate you bringing this back and it because it was problematic that we we seem to have a burst of failures and and the language that was in the report was something that like we had a dry base and that was causing excessive movement or something like that so I guess my question y'all is in light of that in light of you know whatever climate we're in now versus whatever climate we had in the past do we have a plan of attack to to provide solutions so we don't have failures that cost this money so we build it right for the new conditions and so can you address something like that sure so absolutely what we've been doing or what we did as a part of that is more more soil testing so to understand exactly what we have out there what the conditions are getting with our geotechnical engineers to provide better solutions for what kind of pavements we want to use we've actually changed up some of our asphalt mixes that a little a little more pliable so they move a little more so a whole range of different things you know really everything is on the table so we don't want to just continually doing the same thing that we've always done if we know it's going to not be a good solution so being flexible and being able to look at different different things and making sure that we're doing it right do you do you have a feel for how much I mean I know in the in the table it mentioned you know what kind of sidewalks and what kind of streets and miles but do we have a we have a feel for when it failed and we have failures all over town for various things what what percent of our lane miles that was I mean if it if it was point oh one percent then it's a one-off and we absorb it we move on right but if it was like 10 or 15 or 20 percent of our our lane miles then then oh this is a you know priority thing we got to fix it hard yeah you have a feel for that sure so I'll say just for clarification this table right here is really from our our streets department this is what they do as a part of their their maintenance and I don't believe and I'll Danny can correct me if I'm wrong that they really had a large portion of any kind of failures as a part of what they did as their maintenance the items that I listed here on this section was really based on our 2019 bond program just because it was easier to pull that information and give a percentage we only had one street that actually failed that they had to tear up and redo we did have multiple segments really bring that old north kind of area I think it was eight eight or ten where we noticed the issue and we were able to pause it and that's why we got a lot of calls from our residents saying hey you came out here and now you're gone what's going on and the reason was we didn't want to put down a product that we knew was gonna fail so we were working through that that process so actual failures was a small small portion like I said there's a you know there are there were some minor quality issues but they all fell within the limitations that we allow in our spec and so we did you know crack ceiling or something like that that that fixed those issues and we were able to move forward with those so I mean a really small percentage less than a percent of you know that that project where we actually had catastrophic failures that the contractor had to come out and redo the whole thing okay so we don't anticipate I mean assuming the the solutions and the different paving mix we don't anticipate a big financial impact out of line with our our projections going forward yeah and really the way our contract is written it is the responsibility of the contractor to provide us a quality product now if there's outside you know this soil issue that's kind of an outside thing and so we work with our contractors we want to be good partners and make sure that there's not an undue burden on them for things they can't control but if it's a quality issue like the one that failed we don't have any financial responsibility for that they come back and they tear it out their expense and put it back in okay appreciate you thank you yes sir anybody all right um I just want to note to the community that I'm I'm read here that the city has 1,533 miles that is maintained and they do that with 51 employees and in you can also go to the strategic planning website if you have any additional questions they put that on these things up looks like it's tracked monthly and a pub and it's publicly available on that website we do have the gentleman that sits next to my left he's very much a streets guy we have our bike person we have our streets guy here he is staying on top of that for us as community so thank you mr. Holland so thank you all for your work thank you oh yes we have oh you have something all right I apologize when she asked final questions I forgot that I had a question so on the it was one of the attachments what was it called it's not this but it's the little chart the street metrics report I know we covered this in a previous meeting and my apologies for forgetting that one so the four point five miles on that first row of reconstruction that's just what streets department reconstructed correct that's not total across the city all departments correct Dana Kramer deputy director of operations yes these are the metrics that we strike we track internally for our streets department we have this set up for streets and drainage and they're all on the website and we track a monthly through that do we have somewhere that we can see total like regardless of what pot of money or what department it comes from do we have some sort of full list so we can see like a bigger picture of how much as a city we're reconstructing every year and if there's other pots of money doing mill and overlay you know just lumping it all together so we have like a full picture because I always get a little confused when I just see those little numbers right I don't think we have anywhere specifically on the website that has that posted that is something we can look at and I know we can't get you those numbers yeah that would be really helpful for just a future meeting or something okay thanks and one thing I did want to clarify on the total miles for the street those are actually lane miles lane miles so we have roughly 500 550 miles in the city of roadway and then we have over 15 1500 and I think it was 33 lane miles that we maintain a lane mile is actually a lane width and a mile long so you know right out here McKinney is multiple lane miles because it's multiple widths wide so I just want to make sure we clarify that well thank you I'm glad I brought it up you know I needed up some clarification on that appreciate it all right anything else upcoming public meetings all right so this is our future staff items so we provided the report for the bollards so that's we'd like to request to remove that okay the next couple will be we're still working on a transportation planning is working on that so that's the citywide parking study the concerns for bike lists and pedestrian safety on North and South Austin growing the bug bike bus programs and Hawks best practices so those will be upcoming increasing wrapped equipment box locations that was already provided it looks like yeah do we want to leave that one on okay sorry that was coming back Jasmine's keeping me straight okay so we reported the quality quality control metrics so we'll request to remove that but we'll work on coming back with that full list of project or lane miles or however we want to work through that quarterly construction report that will be coming back or quarterly transportation services report will be coming back both of those are done quarterly side path and trail access and Mayhill Edwards alignment so we'll provide another update as we move through that there's going to be so there is a I'll clarify there is going to be I'll call it Mayhill phase 3 so we did close that that roadway but we still have to go back out there we're gonna tear out the pavement and then we're gonna do some adjustments to the bike path bike path bike pedestrian path and then our transportation planning group did go out there and do some additional markings you know try to make that a safer crossing so and then we worked through the trip funding this time as well so we're requesting to remove that everybody's comfortable with the trip funding conversation okay all right perfect thank you so much or there any other items that let me let me clarify something here I'm sorry I'm have to interject here are we down here on MC 24 days 047 future meeting topics right now yes ma'am okay that's why we are sorry because I thought we were still up here on MC 2 at 4 6 but we're down here any future items yes I have a question about row number 3 was that I feel like what do we call you committee member Bray may have brought that one up was that specific to some of the roads in downtown being closed for renovation or was that independent of that do we remember what that was I might have been talking about like the remarking element locusts after rebuild and potentially like including bike paths or something in that I that was a while ago yeah I'm trying to figure out that was something we still need or not mostly if it was like a temporary situation we can look into it we'll go back and watch the watch the recordings and see who brought it up and what we were talking about and for something I'd like to add for a future thing is I'd like to hear an update on wherever we are and see whatever current designs we have for some of our major road projects so Bonnie Bray like any portions that are under design or have designs completed including 30% designs mingo if we have any level of design on that and then Hickory Creek Road those are the ones coming to mind I'm just curious especially I'm a little jumpy after the Mayhill Edwards thing that sometimes things are on the ground and it's too late to change it and like for some reason we didn't notice something so I'd like to see some of that now before stuff is on the ground to ensure that what's what was promised is what's being delivered so if we could get those three items especially knowing specifically what the plans are for bike ped at this stage sure thanks I am going to add McKinney on McKinney Street at the courthouse I'm still just a bit concerned about the crosswalk game there I know that we we all look back in your history book and see when we discuss that because I know that there was some concern about the crosswalking especially if we want people to our businesses would like for the people at the courthouse to come to their business and do whatever it is that they're gonna do over there it's still and there's a little hump you know a little heel there there's still some concern there in that area and can we revisit that sure maybe put up a crosswalk at least something I don't know what it is you don't have to answer that right now yeah we'll look into it look into that please also over in that area there's a little street called Janey Street that's on the side of those businesses there I'm noticing cars are starting to park along there for whatever reason I don't know if they're visiting the business or whatever but the street is just needs somebody to just put it on the list for us to take a look at I think it's a part of one of our 2019 bond projects as well okay but I'll verify that okay it's not curved is that the one with the big tree road is not curved yeah so I want to start taking a look at that little community over there I know that there's been some world work over there but there's still some things that are missing for those folks over there I'm about 99% sure that it's one of our 2019 bond neighborhood projects I think we brought it up once before I think it was because of the tree but I'll revisit it please revisit that in the course and then of course I'm probably I'm hoping that I'm sure that that Paisley Roodale corner street connectivity the project maybe could bring that Roodale over to the page paisley it's kind of messed up over there yes ma'am there's no curves or anything over there for those folks we want to take care of them sidewalks over there I'm just trying to get it all on them as well I'm thinking about it so that's what I have I like to have you on a yes ma'am with and I'm glad we're visiting this because I forgot to mention it like yesterday at council and I think it's probably more appropriate here for the matrix for mobility anyway with the realignment of the quiet zone at Roodale and Mingo that's our property across the street from the service center where we have some gravel piles and whatnot I I don't know whether you want to deliver to council or deliver to this group first I would like sort of an expectation planning sort of like what what's the alignment of our property in the roadways and and how's that that mobility impacts gonna as we come south towards the courthouse what what what do we see the use of our property kind of and on that alignment and how that's that's gonna work as that transition happens I'd like to add that yeah we can bring that back and that's going to be a part of our service center rebuild that we're doing currently and the Mingo Roodale 2023 bond program I believe we're going to we're going to utilize that land for some kind of re aligning the service center but we can bring back what that kind of schematic looks like absolutely January January 29th 2025 you should have that on your have you all sent the calendar out yet calendar invites out yeah you should see all right um next thing concluding items oh oh we have to take a phone for future items all right future items we need a motion for approval for the future items a motion to approve the future items I second all in paper our discussion okay all in favor thank you I was just giving that instruction concluding items do we have any concluding items Merry Christmas everyone Merry Christmas everyone happy holidays have you all shout out to Chandra again I know I shouted out last month but last month Chandra excuse me excuse me it's good the meeting is not closed sir have see thank you she's gonna make you come back all right we're still doing concluding items we've seen happy holidays I do want to just send another shout out to the city employees you guys are doing a great job and thank you for all your work now we're gonna close this meeting I wanted to do a shout out to Chandra which I gave a shout out last month for going with the bike bus and observing the kids and talking to the parents and they've already implemented some stop signs and some infrastructure to help those kids already so I've already heard from some of the parents their kids are able to cross the street more easily where some of these stop signs are put in around the school so really solid work I really appreciate the responsiveness and I know the parents do too yes I really appreciate it all right thank you all right I think that's it well the meeting is we'll close this meeting at 1126 thank you