1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,840 I believe a quorum is present so as chair I'm going to go ahead and convene this 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:18,640 federal meeting december 9th 2024 at a little bit after 5 30 but she called in 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:27,600 and time right now is 5 53 on the mark although we need to confirm that by 45 4 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:41,260 within seconds and I believe if somebody likes all right so first let's start off 5 00:00:41,260 --> 00:01:04,660 with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 6 00:01:04,660 --> 00:01:22,260 And now the Texas flag. Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible. 7 00:01:22,260 --> 00:01:31,060 All right, after the leading of our pledge of allegiances, item two is presentations from members of the public. 8 00:01:31,060 --> 00:01:39,660 So I'll ask to see if there are any members of the public with comments right now. 9 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:49,760 Oh you're not here to speak. Not separately. You're here to observe the report. We're on the agenda. 10 00:01:49,760 --> 00:02:02,460 Still want to make sure always presentations from any public going once. Did we have any cards filled out? Going twice, no cards filled out. I'm going to say going three times and we'll move along to the next item. 11 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:24,060 So next item three, items of consideration. So interested citizens arrived at the meeting. So we're going to look at item A, HLC 24-059. We're going to consider approval of the November 18th, 2024 minutes. So I'll open the floor for comments. 12 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:45,360 I will move approval. Thank you, Councilor McAdams. That's a first. We'll have a second. Second from Councilman Tepperman. I'm sorry, committee member. I already gave you an instant kind of advancement here. 13 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:58,260 So I believe it's passed. Oh, vote. That's right. So we need to vote. Show of hands and aye in favor. Any opposed? Motion passes. 14 00:02:58,260 --> 00:03:17,660 Okay, so now we're going to move to item B, HLC 24-006A and I believe this is a discussion of expenses involved with the property located at 1526 Willowwood Street. 15 00:03:17,660 --> 00:03:33,260 Historic preservation officer. Thank you, Vice Chair. So this is the location of the property. It is north of Willowwood Street, just east of Kendolph Drive. The property owners are Jennifer Lane and James Carr. 16 00:03:33,260 --> 00:03:50,660 It is a local historic landmark that was designated this past September. And as requested, it is an application for historic landmark tax exemption in accordance with our section 10-128 for partial tax exemption of designated historic sites. 17 00:03:50,660 --> 00:04:12,460 As you can see here and as you all saw on your backup, there were a number of repairs and updates made regarding the recoding of the stucco and repair of the drainage system. I'm going to move this real quick so you guys can see. Here we go. 18 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:36,160 So looking at the request, we're looking specifically for improvements and/or restoration to the project. So the disposal fees, paved stone border, and removal of the sidewalk do not meet qualifying improvements and/or restoration to the project as they do not pertain to the general maintenance and restoration. 19 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:45,860 However, their total expense amount that still qualifies is $29,287. 20 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:58,260 So just to show you all some before and afters of that stucco repair work, huge night and day fixes that happened on that rear wall. 21 00:04:58,260 --> 00:05:08,260 And then some also photos of that surface drainage to help kind of alleviate some of that damage that's happening to the foundation currently at the home. 22 00:05:08,260 --> 00:05:28,260 So staff's analysis looked at section 10-128C. This is the first time this property is going for historic tax exemption. And so we're looking at only qualifying expenses to the two years prior to that designation as a historic site. 23 00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:50,260 So staff is recommending a favorable determination of the expenses presented, with the exception of those disposal fees, paved stone border, and removal of the sidewalk, as the fact that the rest of the improvements or permanent improvement and/or restoration of the landmark property located at 1526 will look straight. 24 00:05:50,260 --> 00:05:58,260 And it needs that minimum of $10,000 or more. Any questions? 25 00:05:58,260 --> 00:06:05,260 Sorry, the teams was a little complicated to maneuver. 26 00:06:05,260 --> 00:06:12,260 Any questions or discussions? 27 00:06:12,260 --> 00:06:16,260 Do we have a motion to accept staff recommendations presented? 28 00:06:16,260 --> 00:06:18,260 I so move. 29 00:06:18,260 --> 00:06:22,260 I here second. Thank you, McAdams and Sherman. 30 00:06:22,260 --> 00:06:27,260 All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Aye. 31 00:06:27,260 --> 00:06:36,260 Any opposed? Passes unanimous. Thank you, Cameron. 32 00:06:36,260 --> 00:06:42,260 All right, that concludes items for consideration. Let's move into our work session now. 33 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:54,260 Thank you. 34 00:06:54,260 --> 00:07:06,260 So let's move into item A of our work session, HLC 24-058, receive a report and hold a discussion revolving notice of possible forum eligible events. 35 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:16,260 So I know there was an email sent out a couple weeks ago regarding, you know, the Ebers farm property. 36 00:07:16,260 --> 00:07:21,260 And part of that discussion kind of brought up this larger discussion of possible forum. 37 00:07:21,260 --> 00:07:27,260 So we kind of just wanted to do a quick overview as these are coming from the state. 38 00:07:27,260 --> 00:07:32,260 It turns out we were not following state protocol for a while here, but now we are. 39 00:07:32,260 --> 00:07:45,260 So when we are looking at an event, say if it's a neighborhood meeting or we're going to use neighborhood meeting as an example. 40 00:07:45,260 --> 00:07:58,260 If you go to that neighborhood meeting and you see three other members from the Historic Landmark Commission, one of you all has to excuse yourself. 41 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:03,260 So we cannot have forum at neighborhood meetings anymore. 42 00:08:03,260 --> 00:08:26,260 We are only allowed to have them at officially official meetings where staff has posted a media agenda such or that there are some additional core categories such as a social function, press conference, ceremonial events, convention or workshop attendance or candidate forum appearance of debate. 43 00:08:26,260 --> 00:08:31,260 So neighborhood meetings is probably going to be what you all are dealing with most. 44 00:08:31,260 --> 00:08:44,260 I am going to put it on the commission that if you are at that meeting and staff doesn't happen to be there, it is you all's responsibility to make sure that there is no, there is three or less of you all at that meeting. 45 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:50,260 Three is okay. Yes, three is okay. So one, two or three is okay. You cannot have four because that's our forum for HLC. 46 00:08:50,260 --> 00:09:06,260 So I'm going to just put that on the commission. But like I said, with an official meeting or social function, press conference, ceremonial event, convention or workshop attendance or candidate forum appearance of debate, you all are welcome. 47 00:09:06,260 --> 00:09:14,260 And that's where staff will post a notice of possible forum and you all can be in attendance. 48 00:09:14,260 --> 00:09:20,260 Sound good? Okay. Got it. Really? Now I'm done. 49 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:25,260 All right. Thank you. 50 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:33,260 If you have questions, just ask. I think that's the other, if it's like, if it's like church or something, you know what I mean? Yeah. Just ask. 51 00:09:33,260 --> 00:09:39,260 Oh, then we pray and make it okay. 52 00:09:39,260 --> 00:09:44,260 There are some exceptions that seem obvious, but it's worth just asking about. 53 00:09:44,260 --> 00:09:48,260 No, it's always worth asking, right? In advance, right? Yes. Okay. 54 00:09:48,260 --> 00:10:01,260 So we'll move on to item B. Thank you for HLC 24-057. Received a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding prioritizing our work plan for 2020-25. 55 00:10:01,260 --> 00:10:09,260 Yes. So we are already at almost 20-25. So this year went really quick. 56 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:16,260 So as part of this, I'm going to just give a little bit of an overview of what you all saw and covered in 2024. 57 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:24,260 And then we're going to jump right into kind of the goals and that discussion of what you all want for your work plan for 2025. 58 00:10:24,260 --> 00:10:33,260 So 2024, we received 12, but I did receive, I think, two more about 30 minutes before I came here. 59 00:10:33,260 --> 00:10:41,260 So we have 14. HLC did not see any of them. 60 00:10:41,260 --> 00:10:53,260 We do have one that is currently ongoing that is going to have to go undergo HLC review and action, but you all probably won't see it until 2025. 61 00:10:53,260 --> 00:11:02,260 The HPO, Historic Preservation Officer, and myself, I reviewed 11. They were mostly for new paint, in-kind replacements. 62 00:11:02,260 --> 00:11:10,260 So, you know, wood for wood or lighting fixtures, and then rear property projects that were not visible from the right of way. 63 00:11:10,260 --> 00:11:19,260 In terms of historic tax exemptions, you all have received four and taken action on four this year, which is great. 64 00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:25,260 I love to see that people are applying for historic tax exemptions in the city. We need more of that. 65 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:39,260 And then in terms of historic landmark designations, you all have seen and reviewed and taken action on three, which since I've been here since 2021, that is the largest number I've seen. 66 00:11:39,260 --> 00:11:51,260 So, yeah, clap, round of applause. Huge achievement. I'm really proud of you all this year. I think that's really great for the city and us moving forward. 67 00:11:51,260 --> 00:12:03,260 In terms of special topic items covered, there were a total of 10. They range from our historically eligible structures map to historic tax exemptions. 68 00:12:03,260 --> 00:12:13,260 We talked about, you know, other cities tax exemptions. We discussed the planning divisions area plan. So that's Southeast end area plan, the design downtown Denton plan. 69 00:12:13,260 --> 00:12:23,260 So we covered a lot of different topics, which was really exciting. And you know that the historic tax exemption one, there's more to come for that one. 70 00:12:23,260 --> 00:12:33,260 So I'm in 2025, but a lot of great work this year. 71 00:12:33,260 --> 00:12:48,260 Okay, so for the 2025 work plan, you'll recognize some of these from last year, or I guess our current year, but staff has added some additional goals for you all. 72 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:59,260 So you all can have that discussion tonight and kind of, I guess, kind of decide what you all are thinking in terms of what you all want to prioritize for the upcoming year. 73 00:12:59,260 --> 00:13:11,260 So the first one is goal one, policy 1.3 recommendation 1.8. Just a reminder, this is from our 2019 historic Denton historic preservation plan. 74 00:13:11,260 --> 00:13:20,260 So what you all have already, we've already implemented this, it's ongoing from 2024, but we have that preparing an annual study list of potential landmarks and districts. 75 00:13:20,260 --> 00:13:30,260 Then we have our goals 2, which we have policies 2.1, or I mean recommendation 2.1 and 2.2. Discussion has started on both of these. 76 00:13:30,260 --> 00:13:45,260 They'd be ongoing from 2024, but it's broadening that historic tax exemption eligibility criteria, as well as exploring a program aligned for a partial or full property tax exemption from the City of Denton and other out-of-the-pool taxi authorities. 77 00:13:45,260 --> 00:13:55,260 The next is our goal 3, policy 3.1 recommendation 3.6. This was implemented and it's ongoing from 2024. 78 00:13:55,260 --> 00:14:05,260 It's completing designation reports for landmarks and districts. So that's what we have on, you know, the agenda that's a reoccurring item, talking about what properties you all are interested in getting designated. 79 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:13,260 So that's been implemented, but it's still ongoing, something we can continue to work on. 80 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:26,260 To continue, you'll see three more that are new, but they're all from goal 4, our policy 4.2, and then recommendations 4.7 through 4.11. 81 00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:34,260 So new for 2025 would be to improve visibility and awareness of the tax exemption program to increase participation. 82 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:46,260 Right now, we don't even have half of our properties participating in our tax exemption program. So it's definitely something that we should improve our visibility and awareness for that. 83 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:58,260 The next one is increasing awareness and use of federal rehabilitation tax credits. I know we do have a local preservation group that does a great job at increasing awareness about that. 84 00:14:58,260 --> 00:15:05,260 But that doesn't mean that our historic landmark commission and staff can't also be promoting that program. 85 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:15,260 The next one is our recommendation 4.9, and that's just adding additional historic preservation information materials on the website. 86 00:15:15,260 --> 00:15:22,260 The website, you know, has changed a lot in the last three years since I've been here and has undergone a lot of updates. 87 00:15:22,260 --> 00:15:34,260 But I think the more we can add, the more information, probably less wordy on my part, but we can kind of streamline the process that'd be good to add an update. 88 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:46,260 And then the last two are ongoing from 2024, which is looking at creating a marketing plan to encourage additional local landmark destinations and then providing training to local realtors and bankers. 89 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:57,260 These were not implemented, nor were like the discussions. We hadn't started discussing either of these, so that's why you just see that they're ongoing from 2024. 90 00:15:57,260 --> 00:16:10,260 But any questions? Does this look good? How are we feeling about all of this work plan? 91 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:18,260 Ambitious. I like it. I like that we have the big year ever, and you're like, go bigger. Let's go. Set the gas, right? 92 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:21,260 Yeah. 93 00:16:21,260 --> 00:16:32,260 And can we ask the city marketing department if they can look at maybe what some other cities are doing with regard to marketing to offer some suggestions? 94 00:16:32,260 --> 00:16:51,260 So staff did have an initial conversation kind of just talking about the program in general, updating them on, you know, what historic landmark destinations are, what myself as staff have jurisdiction over what you all have just started. 95 00:16:51,260 --> 00:17:05,260 So it was kind of just like a full on like historic preservation 101. And there was discussion about marketing, but then I know it got really busy with some other marketing campaigns, especially in Halloween. 96 00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:15,260 So it is something that is on staff's radar to check back in and just see what we can kind of start doing in terms of marketing it to the larger audience. 97 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:25,260 The chicken or the egg though, because we're also working on still trying to work on those tax exemptions. So you want to promote and increase awareness on something that may shift and change. 98 00:17:25,260 --> 00:17:33,260 That's absolutely on point. Yes. 99 00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:37,260 Well, just a quick for myself. 100 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:47,260 One of my favorite things to follow right now is the Denton Public Library. They do this Denton History Minute. And like Chuck Bollinger drives around in his car and goes to different places, right? 101 00:17:47,260 --> 00:18:01,260 Yeah. Love this. Right. I love and it's getting lots of interaction. Okay. I would love to see if maybe we work with the Public Library as a way to fold this into that idea like Denton History Minute. 102 00:18:01,260 --> 00:18:10,260 And maybe then we contribute some content. Does that make sense? Like that could be something that they already have something in place that I feel like is working. 103 00:18:10,260 --> 00:18:17,260 And it's a quick little tick tocky video, right? I mean, it's kind of fun. Like go see this place and see this thing. 104 00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:31,260 And one of the things that I know that's come up in discussion in this group for is how can we promote success stories, right? The places that we have been actively preserving. 105 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:46,260 Places that here's the kinds of things they do, right? I just want to throw that out for discussion and consideration because I think that might make a very fruitful inner city partnership. 106 00:18:46,260 --> 00:18:55,260 It's like piggyback on that idea and maybe be able to because I don't want to be so beholden on marketing that we also don't think about like how we can use the library, right? 107 00:18:55,260 --> 00:19:02,260 How we can use other types of resources that are already kind of plugged in and maybe hurting for content. 108 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:17,260 So that's my idea about that. Just so that I can just to clarify. So you're stating that it would be beneficial for us to potentially pair with the Denton Public Library. 109 00:19:17,260 --> 00:19:39,260 Explore the possibility to pair with the Denton Public Library to do some type of marketing history series that talks about the local landmark designations or why certain structures are important and why they should be designated. 110 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:54,260 I guess so I'm just trying to tie it back to that recommendation. We have a lot of work plan recommendations here. And I mean if we did a different one every month, we would fill up two years. 111 00:19:54,260 --> 00:20:11,260 You see what I'm saying? So yeah, but the idea is to be able to highlight some things, right? Either success stories, places that are targeted, right? We can also talk about things that are coming up and like there's lots of interest in Evers Park. 112 00:20:11,260 --> 00:20:25,260 There's lots of interest in the downtown Denton plan, right? So we're involved in those things. So why not plug in the history element, right? Okay, perfectly. 113 00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:42,260 Well, you know, what's her name? 114 00:20:42,260 --> 00:21:00,260 She writes a column about Old House. I have emailed her right now. I was just saying that she goes out and gathers a lot of information to write her articles that regularly appear in the DRC. 115 00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:10,260 And maybe we could use some of that in a way to further publicize and encourage. 116 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:20,260 Well, along those lines, actually, the last article that she submitted to the DRC, which was, I believe, two days ago, three days ago, had to do with the Evers family. 117 00:21:20,260 --> 00:21:37,260 And she actually posted a link back to the article about the hearing that happened about specifically about Evers Park and the development kind of concept plan that was being kicked around, which that's on point, right? 118 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:47,260 The idea is like, oh, and if you want to, and it's because it's the DRC, if you want to read more about this plan, insert a link, right? 119 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:54,260 So maybe there's a DRC element to this, too, to talk to them because of their partnership with KERA. 120 00:21:54,260 --> 00:22:08,260 And there's some of their articles that have regional reach, are free and open. They're not paywalled, which is a really big, important thing. 121 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:16,260 So for consideration, maybe explore partnerships with the DRC. 122 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:26,260 I just think they could help us, maybe, because she does do all that work, and KERA owns DRC now. 123 00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:28,260 Does now. That's right. 124 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:37,260 Well, and that work has been done. She has so many that she's written already, particularly about the history of a home. 125 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:45,260 It's a historic landmark. And the founders who built it, and lots of history. It's just there. 126 00:22:45,260 --> 00:22:49,260 And they are capable of creating content, as well. 127 00:22:49,260 --> 00:23:00,260 Maybe the person who owns the house now, whoever is living there now, might like to do a sort of a game or something. 128 00:23:00,260 --> 00:23:08,260 Yeah, yeah, say hey. So some of our wins that we have, have them talk about working with the Historic Landmark Committee. 129 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:19,260 I don't know. Great partnerships, et cetera, et cetera. That's great ideas. Love it. 130 00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:22,260 Any other discussions? 131 00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:29,260 Ethan, do you have any ideas, thoughts? I just always want to make sure I hear from everybody. Where you at? Where you thinking? 132 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:34,260 So I guess, I guess where am I? I don't know, this is a place to ask questions. 133 00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:43,260 I think I've been on the committee for a year now. So I'm still kind of figuring out what to do. 134 00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:50,260 So I create a marketplace. Is this stuff that we guide, what the staff is going to go out and do, like what y'all are going to do? 135 00:23:50,260 --> 00:23:55,260 Because we talked about a marketplace. We're not, I mean, I do that marketing stuff. 136 00:23:55,260 --> 00:24:03,260 I don't know. Is this stuff that we're intricately involved in, or just kind of in some direction of what the city staff does? 137 00:24:03,260 --> 00:24:13,260 It's, it's a combination of staff working with you all and getting your feedback and then staff bringing it and saying, hey, 138 00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:21,260 because, you know, obviously there are certain lines that I can't cross as staff, you all as HLC, as representatives of the city. 139 00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:30,260 So it is definitely us working together and then presenting it to, you know, the people who are my bosses 140 00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:35,260 and seeing if that's okay, if, you know, the city's okay with presenting that. 141 00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:43,260 So there are certain things that, you know, I will have to run by, you know, the director or marketing, 142 00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:51,260 just to make sure that everything's cohesive that's coming out of the city in terms of branding and how we're sharing information. 143 00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:57,260 Right, right. Because I mean, I'm like, I mean, some of the marketing stuff, I just don't, you know, I don't know how much is ahead of it. 144 00:24:57,260 --> 00:25:00,260 I mean, I've seen some of this before, but it doesn't always come up in every minute. 145 00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:09,260 So I'm just, because I think some of this, I like the idea of, you know, since we did have some properties this year and doing a testimonial kind of thing. 146 00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:15,260 And because again, I look at my experience from things that maybe I, you know, in my law practice, I should be doing. 147 00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:19,260 Right. More marketing, like marketing wise stuff. 148 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:24,260 And I think that, I mean, testimonials, anything that's, you know, media that people can, 149 00:25:24,260 --> 00:25:31,260 that maybe it's however long a TikTok video is, right. Because people, you know what I mean, like people don't have the attention span, 150 00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:39,260 but getting the word out that what we do, how it helps, you know, it's beneficial to both property owners of houses that are eligible. 151 00:25:39,260 --> 00:25:45,260 Because a lot of people might not know that their house is eligible for historical exception. 152 00:25:45,260 --> 00:25:50,260 Because I mean, if they're going to pay, they're going to need to spend money on the property anyway. 153 00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:59,260 Right. You know, 10,000 is not a hard number to hit now on any given, you know, so, but I do like this. 154 00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:08,260 I like those ideas, especially of skipping the word out somehow in a way that, because not everybody is totally engaged in city happenings. 155 00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:14,260 Right. You know, in a way that reaches more. Yeah. It's all like that. 156 00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:24,260 And the preservation, I would say for my long term commissioners, we do have a platform 157 00:26:24,260 --> 00:26:30,260 that is run by myself and the special collections team. It's called Preserve Denton. 158 00:26:30,260 --> 00:26:39,260 However, staff is just very busy. So it's just not often posted on, is unfortunate, is what we've kind of gotten to, unfortunately. 159 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:44,260 But it is a platform so that if we're able to create content, if we're able to get those testimonials, 160 00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:50,260 those are places that it can be posted in addition to the city. 161 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:59,260 So I did just want to share that with our new commissioners or newish new commissioners. 162 00:26:59,260 --> 00:27:09,260 Yeah. So I can be. So I want to clarify. So you're thinking that that could be a content generating platform 163 00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:20,260 that might be able to get folded up under Denton Public Library. So it operates technically as its own city, of course, Instagram page right now. 164 00:27:20,260 --> 00:27:30,260 So it's Denton Public Library Preserve Denton parks. So we we do in the city of Denton. All three of those together. 165 00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:36,260 So technically, yeah, they're each have their own and they're all underneath the city of Denton. 166 00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:45,260 So it's just staff is the one usually creating that content. And I will be honest, I just have not had time. 167 00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:51,260 I mean, are there like protocols that have to be? Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no. 168 00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:59,260 You got you got. I think we're talking about we're getting into the leads like details. 169 00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:07,260 Like if you want to do if you want to talk. So the most thing is discuss prioritization of these items. 170 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:13,260 So going through them and saying which one sounds like you want to prioritize the marketing efforts, 171 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:16,260 which I think are probably most of them are related to what it looks like. 172 00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:24,260 But I think if you want to have a really in-depth sort of power out about that, OK, I don't want a later agenda. Love it. 173 00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:38,260 So I'll motion to put that on a motion just now direction to staff that those of you want to talk more about. 174 00:28:38,260 --> 00:28:49,260 OK, but in all this, I think we have to keep in mind that the putting everything on the computers, 175 00:28:49,260 --> 00:29:01,260 I know that's the only car we have driving these days, but there are too many sites, just too many. 176 00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:08,260 Nobody is going to go and keep searching through all those sites. 177 00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:13,260 This the I don't think the city website is particularly friendly anyway. 178 00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:19,260 It's harder to find something when you're looking for it. 179 00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:30,260 But to add some more websites, people just aren't going to get that we've got to figure out some way to lead them to the website. 180 00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:32,260 It has what we want. 181 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:46,260 So so so so Commissioner Adams, you're stating basically it all stems back to we need we have some of these implemented. 182 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:48,260 We've had discussions going. 183 00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:55,260 But on this page, in terms of if we're going to prioritize something, since we're kind of already moving on the other ones, 184 00:29:55,260 --> 00:30:04,260 if we're going to prioritize something, it would be marketing and then that marketing would get us to the rest of those holes. 185 00:30:04,260 --> 00:30:06,260 That's OK. Yes. 186 00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:09,260 I mean, rest of those recommendations. 187 00:30:09,260 --> 00:30:15,260 So it'd be pulling recommendation for 10 up and then with 410 all the way at the top. 188 00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:19,260 It basically everything else would fall in line. 189 00:30:19,260 --> 00:30:25,260 OK, that sounds good. That helps with the prioritizing angle, which thank you, legal, for reminding us. 190 00:30:25,260 --> 00:30:38,260 Stay on hunt for work plan actions for 2025 to explore some maybe media and marketing opportunities that then help us then identify and clarify, 191 00:30:38,260 --> 00:30:42,260 as was mentioned prior things that are still developing. 192 00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:50,260 But we might be able to increase awareness, but also, as I see here, provide training to local realtors and brokers, marketing plans. 193 00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:54,260 Yeah. And increase awareness, improve visibility. 194 00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:58,260 Right. So those items seem to be on point. 195 00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:18,260 So for this item of discussion, staff recommendation, how do we feel about these actions for 2025? You want to accept and then hold discussions going forward. 196 00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:30,260 I'll entertain a motion to approve as presented by staff. I'll make that motion. No action on this item. There's no action. Just staff direction. 197 00:31:30,260 --> 00:31:47,260 And once you gave me direction. Staff, do you have direction? I have staff. Staff has direction. Great. Well, let's move on to item 4C, number HLC 24-055. 198 00:31:47,260 --> 00:32:01,260 So now we're going to receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on the Historic Landmark Commission's request for local historic designation of eligible historic properties. 199 00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:08,260 Does anybody have any properties? I'm going to give the update, but I wanted to ask first. 200 00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:17,260 If anyone has any. So for our new Commissioner Sherman, I just want to let you know that this is a reoccurring item. You'll see it on every single agenda. 201 00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:24,260 It's essentially for you to bring to the commission a property that you think is worthy of designation. 202 00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:39,260 You provide evidence per se, kind of like a two-minute pitch, like City Council, and then you all, the commission will take a vote on whether or not you add that to the active list for designations. 203 00:32:39,260 --> 00:32:56,260 Since there are none, I will give a quick update regarding the Brown Brothers Trail. The parcel was officially lost, so staff was going, the track, yeah, the tracking just did not do anything for us, unfortunately. 204 00:32:56,260 --> 00:33:05,260 So the parcel has been officially lost, so I will have to resend a, I will have to send a new letter. 205 00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:16,260 But yeah, lost. Yep. The tracking just died out and I went and spoke to them and they said there's nothing they can do if the tracking isn't working. 206 00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:22,260 Because that's their way of keeping track of it as well. Well, obviously it's not working. 207 00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:38,260 So is it lost? Is it an outer space? Yeah, so what is the property? The Brown Brothers Trail is a property that's on a parcel. Oh my gosh, how many acres? It's over. 208 00:33:38,260 --> 00:33:42,260 If anyone has notes, I apologize. 209 00:33:42,260 --> 00:34:00,260 But it is a property that, it's south of, or it's north, I mean, south, west of Southbridge, and like by De Nia neighborhood, and it's on a lot of acreages closer to I-35 west, and the, it's over near us, and it was built in the 1960s. 210 00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:05,260 Is this the one with the cows in the back? Yeah, the cows in the back. 211 00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:17,260 Apparently there's a, I don't know that, in the living room, cows walked in, did they die immediately or just they couldn't get out? We don't know. We don't even know if cows even got in the first place. 212 00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:26,260 Okay, guys, back on topic. Counsel is not happening. Counsel, you mean, oh, well he is counseling us. 213 00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:42,260 No, actually. Yeah, okay, I guess, okay, so we're going to just resend the new one, and hopefully this tracking does not die, and that it works, and that they get the parcel. 214 00:34:42,260 --> 00:35:09,260 Okay. To the property owners? To the property owners, yes. Telling them, it's a letter stating that the HLC is interested in designation, why it's important, gives them a number of options in terms of whether they want to designate at the local state or federal level, and then it gives them information of who to contact at the local level if they're interested, and who to contact at the county level who deals with state and federal. 215 00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:37,260 I mean, it was a huge house. We think it was a Mount Miller design. Big range, yeah. Just over there, and apparently it finally abandoned a lovely home, and it has historical value, we think, and we'd like to persuade them to do something other than just have it as a great York house. 216 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:41,260 Yeah, it's been jumping in and off the radar for a while. 217 00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:51,260 Because we can't seem to get in touch with anyone. 218 00:35:51,260 --> 00:36:00,260 Okay, any other discussion about any other updates? 219 00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:18,260 No further updates? No further updates, sorry. Any other questions? Okay, well then, let's move on to item 4D, number HLC 24-056 in our agenda, and that's the whole of the discussion regarding the Historic Landmark Commission project matrix. 220 00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:22,260 Back into the matrix. Yes. 221 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:45,260 So just to provide you all some updates, we have our requests. This is just kind of that annual update in terms of those 2024 goals, very similar to your packet, but we did have HLC reviewed and City Council approved three historic landmark destinations. 222 00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:55,260 I've added the ones moving forward for 2025, and I'll delete those as I go, but this would be the opportunity to add that further discussion regarding marketing. 223 00:36:55,260 --> 00:37:10,260 If you all are still interested in having a more in-depth discussion, we would just need someone to put that forward, and then we would need three commissioners to vote on that, so it can be added to the matrix. 224 00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:39,260 Well, yes, we want to move forward with, I think add to the matrix, looking at with the marketing assistance from the marketing department, I should hope, looking at ways that we might better publicize what's available for historic properties, and how to get that information in front of the public in general. 225 00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:51,260 Publication circulation of historic landmark commission issues and objectives and education. 226 00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:58,260 Figure out their city partnerships, public partnerships, 227 00:37:58,260 --> 00:38:02,260 and hold a discussion on that. 228 00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:06,260 Is that close? 229 00:38:06,260 --> 00:38:10,260 So that was on the work plan for 2024 for this year, also? 230 00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:15,260 No, that was one of the new, oh, I'm sorry, my apologies. 231 00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:16,260 2025. 232 00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:21,260 I think it says ongoing, it was a 2024 work plan goal. 233 00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:34,260 Yes, it was not implemented, ever, so, or the discussion hadn't started, so it's still ongoing from 2024. It would be carried over into 2025. 234 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:45,260 Right. I think, I'm pretty sure that will be ongoing, but yeah, especially, I mean, the part that we could add to that is explore partnerships. We can't do the lifting by ourselves. 235 00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:49,260 Exactly right. 236 00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:59,260 Partnerships, both the city, DRC, other local publications, websites, etc. 237 00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:04,260 Any other comments, discussion on that item? 238 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:06,260 You see three people. 239 00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:16,260 Oh, that's right. So we need to have somebody propose to adopt that to the matrix and then three votes in affirmative. 240 00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:32,260 Okay, yeah, I just, I just needed to hear it. I heard three, but I just want to confirm that I had the three that had spoken that were on board. 241 00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:36,260 Okay, so we're moving into number five, concluding items. 242 00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:43,260 Does the board have any other business to discuss? 243 00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:46,260 Ready for four minutes. 244 00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:51,260 As I say, I will get, I will give two quick updates or concluding closing. 245 00:39:51,260 --> 00:40:02,260 So the informal staff report for Quaker Town pool, I know you all were waiting for that to be sent. It still has not gone into the Friday report. 246 00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:15,260 I did check in on that. I'm not sure of the date. I'm hoping this Friday could be next Friday, but I will, like I said last time, I will send that y'all's way once that's actually in the Friday report. 247 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:26,260 We are going to be sending out some dates for the plaque and ribbon cutting for both of our designated properties or recent designated properties. 248 00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:30,260 So just be on the lookout for that. That's going to happen in 2025. 249 00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:40,260 And then we do have the property owner for Zoom Zooms is that so that petrified wood structure on Locust. 250 00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:49,260 That's been all around since 1931. They are interested potentially in getting designated, but they do want to add an addition. 251 00:40:49,260 --> 00:41:02,260 So they are working closely with the Texas Main Street office and our Main Street manager, just looking at maybe some design assistance because they do want to add on to the property. 252 00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:08,260 But we want to do it in such a way that they could still be designated. So I just wanted to update about that. 253 00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:18,260 In regards to Evers Farm, we are going to receive just a quick update from our commissioners who were in attendance, but we can't have a full discussion about it. 254 00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:26,260 It's just a quick overview in terms of including items so that you all can be up to date and we can have a larger discussion once Parks is ready. 255 00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:34,260 I'll get naked loaded. All right. How many minutes shall we have? Four. Four minutes easy. 256 00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:39,260 You'll need this. Oh, right. You can switch. 257 00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:52,260 Okay. So I, myself, and Councilman, not me, many members of the committee, I keep trying to promote you. Commissioner. Commissioner. 258 00:41:52,260 --> 00:42:01,260 Eaton. Eaton. Eaton, take the hint. Take the hint. So I want to offer a brief kind of like overview of some of the updates. 259 00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:11,260 There was a Community Input Meeting on November 21st that we both attended along with our Historic Preservation Officer. And it is about the Evers Park Plan. 260 00:42:11,260 --> 00:42:23,260 So this is the concept plan. This event was for public input. It was hosted by the Director of Parks and Recreation, Greg Paken and Ziad Karat. 261 00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:35,260 Also, we had a representative from JPI, who are the developers of this property. So to give you an idea of what's in store or what the plan that's being proposed is. 262 00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:51,260 What they're looking to do is in this illustration that shows you over here in the southeast portion, what it's looking to do is build four buildings that are four story apartments, approximately 450 units. 263 00:42:51,260 --> 00:43:06,260 It's at the Y of North Locust and also Elm Street and North Elm, right? And then there's Evers Park, the West Windsor is what wraps around here, right? The library is over here. 264 00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:20,260 The North Branch Library. So this gives you an idea where it's at. So one of the things that's up for discussion right now is we have a Evers, this is the Evers, I keep calling it instead of Evers Park, which is actually just north of Windsor. 265 00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:32,260 This is Evers Park up there. This is the Evers Farmhouse, this structure here, okay? And so it has all this nice thick wooded area and the developers plan is they want to develop this property. 266 00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:46,260 However, they're dedicating 10.2 acres of the property, total property, back to the city for the city to be able to use as a park or the public to use as they decide. 267 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:55,260 They're only required to donate 2.42 acres. So to just bump back real quick, you can see that this is a good portion of the property over here. 268 00:43:55,260 --> 00:44:03,260 So a large part of the discussion for this public input, there's been a lot of talk about it, a lot of things going on. 269 00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:19,260 The main discussion points that they hosted had to do with tree preservation and the open space of that area, that woodland area, parkland development, timeline, different priorities that the city has, and also existing buildings and improvements there. 270 00:44:19,260 --> 00:44:33,260 So just to give you an idea how the discussion went, this is a flyer that they had sent out, and so this is an initial discussion, just as you can see, soliciting community input, we want to hear from you, bring us ideas, right? 271 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:42,260 But it also turned into an information session, because there was a lot of misconceptions about what's going on with this property, right? 272 00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:50,260 So as I mentioned, not only in addition to this, this farm sale is actually not going to happen. 273 00:44:50,260 --> 00:45:02,260 The sale to JPI isn't happening until January, November sometime, and how this property was going to move forward in that kind of arrangement with the city for donating after the sale is finalized. 274 00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:12,260 So they're getting ahead of it, is my point, right? They're trying to stay in front of it and just say, "Hey, let's get some community input." There's a lot of feelings. People are feeling a lot of feels. 275 00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:20,260 So what to do with those 10.2 acres? And so there are two main kind of options that really kind of came out of the gate. 276 00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:32,260 First of all, keep the farmhouse or option to demolish that farmhouse, I'm sorry, one minute for a park, okay? And so it becomes a discussion of like trade-offs and costs, right? 277 00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:46,260 Because the big deal here is if you're going to use this building and you're going to use it for these big plans, what it might have to happen is this driveway might have to be developed and widened, which would threaten a lot of the trees in the areas around that area, right? 278 00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:57,260 So it would basically damage these old trees. However, if you wanted to keep a smaller footprint for footpaths, then that would entail a different type of plan. 279 00:45:57,260 --> 00:46:06,260 So they were just trying to get a bead on it. It was a real moving target. There were citizen ideas that were pitched if you want to pass that note card that's right there. 280 00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:17,260 So just to give you an idea, I don't have time for a lot of analysis strengths, weaknesses, opportunities. But one of the things Councilman Beck emphasizes says, look, either way, it's going to cost this money. 281 00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:22,260 There's nothing in the budget to take care of this. So we need to figure out what we're going to do with it. 282 00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:29,260 And so at the end of the day, the strengths are, hey, look, if you want to keep the farmhouse, you take a risk of destroying a lot of trees. 283 00:46:29,260 --> 00:46:37,260 If you want to keep the trees, then the farmhouse somehow needs to be go or be altered. There were several citizen ideas that were presented. 284 00:46:37,260 --> 00:46:45,260 And since I'm at time, I'll be happy to answer those if you have any questions. 285 00:46:45,260 --> 00:47:08,260 Thank you. So, yeah, so we, I don't guess we can have a discussion, so we can't really. Yeah, this is just an update. It's not really a discussion, but I wanted to give a second since I've yielded my time to see if our historic preservation officer or the other committee member who attended with me has any other thoughts or insights on that. 286 00:47:08,260 --> 00:47:21,260 Yeah, you can. I stand up. Yes, you can stand up. And I also take it over the slide deck. Do I have a limited amount of time? 287 00:47:21,260 --> 00:47:36,260 You're only, we're at four minutes. Four minutes. Yeah. So basically, I just want to hit on because the house for, I don't think this mechanics, you might be the only commission member who was here last month. 288 00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:50,260 Somebody came and talked about gave a nice presentation about the Eaters farmhouse, which she had lived at because she owned the house for quite some time. And that meeting was really designed some of the ideas that people brought up. 289 00:47:50,260 --> 00:48:04,260 That meeting was really more designed to talk about the farmhouse. So that the real issue is I think Commissioner Treat really hit on this, but the city will be responsible for all the costs of the upkeep and maintenance of that property. 290 00:48:04,260 --> 00:48:19,260 And because instead of it being somebody's personal private residence that is being preserved and held onto, there are a lot of other considerations about the quality of the foundation and various things that the city has to worry about. 291 00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:30,260 And it goes beyond just, what's that? Get it up to code. Get it up to code. It goes beyond just, I mean, the reason for the pavement, you're going to have to have space for emergency vehicles to come in and out. 292 00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:46,260 And it may be something that, from a cost benefit analysis, and again Commissioner Treat did a good job early explaining that, that it might, you know, cost, the cost might not weigh the benefits of preserving that property. 293 00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:56,260 Because again, it's going to be something the city owns. It's going to be an ongoing, you know, going concern where people can come and do things. And if that's going to be the case, it's going to be open to the public. 294 00:48:56,260 --> 00:49:06,260 A lot of work and potentially, you know, I don't know, there was no estimate. Nobody really knows how much it would cost. It would probably be a lot of money. 295 00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:14,260 So that wasn't that... They didn't have to pay to get an analysis anyway. They don't even know how much it's going to cost at this point. They were just giving ideas. 296 00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:32,260 Right. Just to get an analysis and estimates and all that. So, you know, from the perspective of preserving this property, again, because, and it kind of put it in perspective for me sitting there at that meeting, because it's not like it is a... 297 00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:45,260 Our typical people come in and they want to designate their properties as historic. It's not private. You know, landowners doing this, the city, they have to consider there are going to be tax increases to do that. 298 00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:59,260 I am not fully versed in all of the procedural matters that go into how they make the decision. Because right now, and also the other takeaway I got was it's still really, nobody really... 299 00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:02,260 There's not a final decision. And I don't think that we're close to one either. 300 00:50:02,260 --> 00:50:18,260 Yeah, that's years away. So the concept plan, I should have been clear. So there's a concept plan. Then there's kind of like a master plan. And then there's like a construction plan. I mean, we're like at least minimum three years away from any real decisions between like things actually happening on the property. 301 00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:46,260 So this was the first sound bowl. That's why it was important. They just want to get input. They're just taking the temperature of the public. So how important is the farmhouse, right? If you keep the farmhouse, that involves a cost-benefit analysis. And if you want to keep the woodland, that's a different cost-benefit analysis. And then there's a long-term care, as committee member points out. 302 00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:49,260 All right. I think I have gone way over the top. 303 00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:50,260 Thank you. 304 00:50:50,260 --> 00:51:00,260 No, it's okay. I appreciate it. Thank you all for both of your concluding items and updates. 305 00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:09,260 All right. So we have anything else? Any other concluding items to discuss? 306 00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:16,260 All right. There's no other business. 307 00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:22,260 Okay. Well, I guess we'll discuss this. Do we have to do something to put it on the agenda next time to discuss? 308 00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:24,260 I can just do that on my own. 309 00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:29,260 Okay, great. Okay. Well, there's no other business to take care of tonight. I'll now adjourn the meeting. 310 00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:40,260 And we are at 645, and the meeting stands adjourned. Thank you for your participation. 311 00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:47,260 And I would really apologize, but I dropped a diamond and gold earring in my bedroom this morning.