WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:19.020 Okay, it's 8 o'clock and we do have a quorum, so let's call the meeting to order. 00:00:19.020 --> 00:00:23.720 The first item on the agenda is receive a report and hold a discussion and give staff 00:00:23.720 --> 00:00:29.680 direction regarding the care management and proposed reuse of the closed City of Denton 00:00:29.680 --> 00:00:31.040 Moseley Road landfill. 00:00:31.040 --> 00:00:32.880 Good morning, Brian. 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:38.000 Good morning members of the committee, Brian Burner, I am the director of solid waste for 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.000 the City of Denton. 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:42.880 I appreciate the opportunity to talk a little bit about the Moseley Road landfill. 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:47.320 This is one of the City of Denton's historic landfills and I want to give you a short 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:51.840 history of it, talk about some regulatory requirements, we have some issues that need 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:56.020 to be addressed out of the facility, I'm going to be talking about some potential future 00:00:56.020 --> 00:01:02.040 uses of the landfill also and identify some fiscal impacts as a result of this. 00:01:02.040 --> 00:01:06.320 Moseley Road landfill, again, is one of our original landfills here at the City of Denton. 00:01:06.320 --> 00:01:11.600 It was originally permitted by the Texas Department of Health back in 1974, operated for approximately 00:01:11.600 --> 00:01:16.600 ten years before we moved to our current site in mid-1985. 00:01:16.600 --> 00:01:22.680 The site total is about 75 acres, 40 of it, which constituted the disposal area proper. 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:31.120 Again, this site is out of closure and post-closure process, it is technically it's called a voluntary 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:34.980 revocation of the permit, which means we've asked that it be closed, it's not accepting 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:42.460 any more waste, basically it's just a large open field at the site with the trash still 00:01:42.460 --> 00:01:46.400 on it, but again it has some current site issues that we need to address. 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:50.960 Again it's aged, the recent rains we've been having over the past few years, we're seeing 00:01:50.960 --> 00:01:57.600 some subsidence occurring at the site and as a result, there's ponding water due to 00:01:57.600 --> 00:02:02.120 the settling, erosion from the runoff, things that we have to address. 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:07.120 This landfill is actually located in Denton County on the east side of Lake Louisville 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:12.000 but it's bounded on the northeast and south side by the City of Crossroads and you have 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:17.400 to access the road, or access the landfill through the City of Crossroads on their maintained 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:19.040 roadways. 00:02:19.040 --> 00:02:24.480 Looking at it here, just a little bit of orientation, here's Lake Louisville, here's 380 going 00:02:24.480 --> 00:02:32.100 out towards McKinney 377 that goes up to Krugerville and Aubrey and Pilot Point, this is located 00:02:32.100 --> 00:02:38.800 south of the facility, or south of the roadway, you can see the layout where the disposal 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:43.400 area is, the rest of this open area here was actually used as borough, so what we did was 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:48.840 we mined dirt, it was a trench fill site so we dug trenches, filled it up, compacted it, 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:56.140 put the dirt back over, had to mine additional soil to complete the cover on the facility 00:02:56.140 --> 00:03:03.140 and it's basically been setting this way since 1985 with minimal maintenance other than mowing 00:03:03.140 --> 00:03:06.200 and fencing and things of that nature. 00:03:06.200 --> 00:03:12.160 In 2018, we had the engineering firm of Park Hill Smith and Cooper go out and do an assessment 00:03:12.160 --> 00:03:16.300 of the facility, identify some issues that did need to be addressed, again in the terms 00:03:16.300 --> 00:03:21.140 of subsidence, erosion, things of that nature, they did come back to us with four options. 00:03:21.140 --> 00:03:25.960 First of all, there was the do nothing option, technically it is a closed landfill, very 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:30.320 minimal things that we have to do, but this really isn't viable because again of the condition 00:03:30.320 --> 00:03:31.760 of the landfill. 00:03:31.760 --> 00:03:36.560 We could go back in and for about a million dollars repair the side slopes, option three 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:42.040 is actually going in, repairing all the settling, regrade the facility, put a new cap on it 00:03:42.040 --> 00:03:46.160 at about three and a half, three and three quarter million dollars. 00:03:46.160 --> 00:03:50.440 Option four, which was addressed, was potentially digging up the landfill, moving the waste 00:03:50.440 --> 00:03:55.760 to an existing site, returning this to basically a clean site, but at the cost of 40 million 00:03:55.760 --> 00:04:02.120 dollars that is slightly cost prohibitive, so again, part of what we need to address 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:05.720 is what is the future use of this property, is it going to remain fallow, is there something 00:04:05.720 --> 00:04:10.000 beneficial that we can do with it, so that's what's going to drive the in use and what 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.800 we ultimately do with this piece of property. 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:18.880 State of Texas through its rules, what's called subchapter T actually permits the reuse of 00:04:18.880 --> 00:04:22.160 facilities over closed landfill sites. 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:28.000 If you're going to build an enclosed structure, if you're going to basically penetrate the 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:32.080 cap on the landfill then you have to go through a permitting process. 00:04:32.080 --> 00:04:35.920 Ideally what the state wants you to do is to minimize any sort of penetrations into 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:43.040 the cap with borings, enclosed structures that may trap methane gas, create safety hazards, 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:47.640 any structure component that could potentially trap gas needs to be minimized or have some 00:04:47.640 --> 00:04:52.920 sort of venting system, some sort of alarm system built in for the safety of those that 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.760 are using it. 00:04:55.760 --> 00:05:01.160 And then again, whatever we do on site it has to protect and enhance the existing cap. 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:05.320 Also when you're selling this property you have to notify whoever is going to be buying 00:05:05.320 --> 00:05:09.800 this that you are in compliance with subchapter T rules. 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:15.040 Again this is an enclosed landfill city property, I don't see us getting rid of this, but again 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.080 we do need to comply with the rule as we look towards redevelopment. 00:05:19.080 --> 00:05:24.060 I do have Gary Pankin with our parks director with us today, we've been talking about potential 00:05:24.060 --> 00:05:26.880 recreational uses out of the facility. 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:32.120 Once we spend a significant amount of money going back in, recapping this, regrading it, 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.560 it seems kind of a shame just to let it set again. 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:40.480 There's some beneficial reuse that could occur on this site, one with shortcomings, not shortcomings 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:48.040 but again needs that we find in the City of Denton is the need for biking areas and in 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:52.300 talking with our parks department it makes sense to possibly turn this into some sort 00:05:52.300 --> 00:05:58.240 of trail type system where we can have some enclosed areas that are safe for people to 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:03.440 get out to bike on and then reuse this facility. 00:06:03.440 --> 00:06:08.840 So again I talked previously about the town of Crossroads, again access into the site 00:06:08.840 --> 00:06:12.960 is through the town of Crossroads and they have requested that the City of Denton pay 00:06:12.960 --> 00:06:17.000 for the reconstruction of one of their roads that goes into that to the tune of a little 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:18.960 more than half a million dollars. 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:27.840 Again this is complete reconstruction, not just repair of any impact that we may affect 00:06:27.840 --> 00:06:29.320 onto the street. 00:06:29.320 --> 00:06:35.560 Again according to our legal group we really have no legal obligation to compensate them, 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.720 we have a site there, state requires that we have access into that facility. 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:45.600 So again that brings us to three different options, either we pay fully to reconstruct 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:51.960 Potter Sharp Road which is the access that we want to use, we try to come to some compensation 00:06:51.960 --> 00:06:56.660 in terms of incremental impact or we recognize our right to use the road and just continue 00:06:56.660 --> 00:06:58.980 to use it and go from there. 00:06:58.980 --> 00:07:02.520 So as we move forward in our next steps we would recommend that we proceed with option 00:07:02.520 --> 00:07:06.160 three at that full repair of about three and three quarters of a million dollars, develop 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:13.920 specifications, set the grades ideally for use in a future recreation use and also seek 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:20.160 some direction on how we want to proceed with the City of Crossroads in terms of site access. 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.520 I think in the long term this being as close to the City of Crossroads as it is and them 00:07:24.520 --> 00:07:29.800 having no recreational facilities within their city proper there seems to be an opportunity 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:35.280 for us to potentially partner with them on this bike facility and some recreational uses 00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:40.040 within the city that would more than compensate for the use of that road in that area. 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:45.960 So with that I want to open this up for any questions and for myself, Mr. Packen, and 00:07:45.960 --> 00:07:48.240 then we'll take direction from there. 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.960 I just had a quick question and maybe this is one for Mr. Packen, have you thought about 00:07:51.960 --> 00:07:53.880 using it as a tree farm? 00:07:53.880 --> 00:07:56.440 That would be quite low impact and we need the... 00:07:56.440 --> 00:08:00.840 Again we cannot penetrate the cap so anything to be planted that would count, yes. 00:08:00.840 --> 00:08:05.720 We cannot plant, I mean we plant grasses to control erosion but we can't, we've got to 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:07.840 control trees and roots and things of that nature. 00:08:07.840 --> 00:08:11.720 So how far down can you go before it penetrates the cap? 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.280 Well the cap starts at the ground surface and it'll go anywhere from about 18 to 36 00:08:16.280 --> 00:08:17.280 inches deep. 00:08:17.280 --> 00:08:18.280 Okay, thanks. 00:08:18.280 --> 00:08:20.320 Excuse me, what is the cap made of? 00:08:20.320 --> 00:08:21.320 Is it concrete? 00:08:21.320 --> 00:08:25.040 No, it's clay and compacted soils. 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:26.800 Okay. 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.920 Is there still decomposing matter under the cap? 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:35.480 That's a really good question. 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.760 In studies that have been done there's not been any methane detected and that's usually 00:08:39.760 --> 00:08:46.080 indication of decomposition but again this being a closed landfill I'm not going to... 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:47.080 You never say never. 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:51.440 There's probably still some trash there that is in the decomposition stage but we're not 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:53.400 picking up any methane from that facility. 00:08:53.400 --> 00:08:57.760 So is there a monitoring... 00:08:57.760 --> 00:08:58.760 Is there monitoring happening? 00:08:58.760 --> 00:09:01.080 No, there is not methane monitoring happening. 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.840 There is not a methane monitor at the site but as part of the assessment there was methane 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:06.840 monitoring completed. 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:07.840 I see. 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:08.840 Okay, thanks. 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:09.840 Okay. 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:15.000 The $600,000 for rebuilding a road, is that included in the 3.8 million? 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:16.880 No, it is not. 00:09:16.880 --> 00:09:21.560 So you're asking the city for $600,000 plus 3.8 million? 00:09:21.560 --> 00:09:22.560 Correct. 00:09:22.560 --> 00:09:24.120 Is that amount budgeted? 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.520 We do have that amount set in reserve right now. 00:09:28.520 --> 00:09:30.080 Okay. 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:35.960 And being as old as it is it had no liners underneath it to the extent that we do it 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:36.960 today? 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:37.960 Correct. 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.640 It's considered a pre-subtitled facility so again as you were doing the trench you did 00:09:41.640 --> 00:09:46.720 lay down your clay and compacted it but again it's not built to the integrity of the landfills 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:48.080 today. 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.120 Which is why you looked at option four but it's... 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:51.120 Correct. 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:52.120 Cost prohibitive. 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.840 Is anything other than a bike trail investigated as a use for that property? 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:01.800 I want to ask Mr. Packen to come in and talk about future recreation uses that have been 00:10:01.800 --> 00:10:02.800 considered. 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:09.680 Gary Packen, Director of Parks and Recreation, I'm not as tall as Brian's. 00:10:09.680 --> 00:10:12.360 The other option is just a regular hiking trail. 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:17.400 We've been working with our mountain bike group, focus group, during our mass plan process 00:10:17.400 --> 00:10:19.920 and they like the location. 00:10:19.920 --> 00:10:24.760 There's no trees on the large portion, that's 75 acres, so that's the downside of it. 00:10:24.760 --> 00:10:29.400 We are looking at another location in town, a little closer as well. 00:10:29.400 --> 00:10:35.640 So either a hike trail or a bike trail would probably be our two suggested locations. 00:10:35.640 --> 00:10:41.960 From a biking standpoint, there's an adjacent 30 acres that's Army Corps property. 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:47.200 Just to see, nope, wrong way. 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:51.760 So this location right here is Army Corps property and then just on the other side of 00:10:51.760 --> 00:10:54.400 Mosley is Army Corps property as well. 00:10:54.400 --> 00:10:59.760 If we went from a hiking trail, we could expand this into this area here. 00:10:59.760 --> 00:11:00.760 This is a creek here. 00:11:00.760 --> 00:11:04.560 But we could actually have additional trails through this heavily wooded area and then 00:11:04.560 --> 00:11:09.640 also take people out to the lake for a hiking trail as well. 00:11:09.640 --> 00:11:13.960 But we can't have bikes in that area based on how the Army Corps of Engineer qualifies 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:14.960 that space. 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:18.080 We don't have any vehicle and they classify a bike as a vehicle. 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:22.680 So if we went from a hiking standpoint, we could expand it by probably another 50 acres 00:11:22.680 --> 00:11:26.560 of hiking trails for the community. 00:11:26.560 --> 00:11:35.560 Okay, on the budget side of this, you said it was in reserves. 00:11:35.560 --> 00:11:43.320 So the plan is to reimburse or just give Crossroads the $600,000 a year ticket, that portion's 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.760 yours? 00:11:45.760 --> 00:11:48.120 That's part of the discussion that we need to have is Crossroads. 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:52.520 Again, we would probably end reimbursement the way that we would handle that. 00:11:52.520 --> 00:11:53.520 Okay. 00:11:53.520 --> 00:11:58.520 And the $3.8 million or $3.7 million, that would be run through the city's budgetary 00:11:58.520 --> 00:11:59.520 process? 00:11:59.520 --> 00:12:00.520 Correct. 00:12:00.520 --> 00:12:01.520 Correct. 00:12:01.520 --> 00:12:02.520 As I said, we have that in reserves. 00:12:02.520 --> 00:12:07.880 We would do a budget amendment as we go forward with the bidding and letting of this process. 00:12:07.880 --> 00:12:08.880 Okay, yeah. 00:12:08.880 --> 00:12:13.480 I think my concern would be, I don't think the city of Crossroads has the infrastructure 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:17.440 that Denton does to run a large project like that. 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:22.200 And so we wouldn't just buy the road from them for 3.7. 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:27.040 We would actually do the reconstruction and it would be run through our engineering department. 00:12:27.040 --> 00:12:31.520 Again, this is a city of Crossroads road. 00:12:31.520 --> 00:12:36.040 The estimate that for the reconstruction was done by their city engineer, they would let 00:12:36.040 --> 00:12:39.400 it just like they would build any other road. 00:12:39.400 --> 00:12:40.400 Okay. 00:12:40.400 --> 00:12:41.400 Okay. 00:12:41.400 --> 00:12:43.400 That answers my question. 00:12:43.400 --> 00:12:44.400 Thank you. 00:12:44.400 --> 00:12:48.960 Is there a lifetime associated with a cap? 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:53.400 Is there a period at which after a certain amount of time it disintegrates or needs to 00:12:53.400 --> 00:12:54.400 be replaced? 00:12:54.400 --> 00:12:55.400 No. 00:12:55.400 --> 00:13:03.560 As long as the drainage is set and, you know, you monitor that -- you monitor how the integrity 00:13:03.560 --> 00:13:12.760 of the trash is managed there, then, you know, as long as it's, you know, has significant 00:13:12.760 --> 00:13:18.160 vegetative cover, i.e., grasses and things to control erosion, then it can last a significant 00:13:18.160 --> 00:13:19.160 amount of time. 00:13:19.160 --> 00:13:26.000 The issue here is that the -- in that the cap -- in that you had a lot of decaying garbage 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.920 and with the heavy rains that we've had in the past eight or ten years, that has actually 00:13:30.920 --> 00:13:33.720 impacted the integrity of that cap. 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:34.720 Okay. 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:39.320 Seeing as how there is decaying garbage, as you mentioned before, and they're looking 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:47.520 at making this a hiking and biking area, is there any thought about instituting some sort 00:13:47.520 --> 00:13:54.640 of yearly or twice a year monitoring of the site to make sure that there aren't any toxic 00:13:54.640 --> 00:13:57.280 gases coming off the thing? 00:13:57.280 --> 00:14:04.280 No, going forward, we will be doing, you know, at least a biannual assessment of the facility. 00:14:04.280 --> 00:14:09.140 Given that it's been since '85, since any garbage has been put in there, and currently 00:14:09.140 --> 00:14:14.520 the post-closure monitoring requirement for new landfills is 30 years, we would even be 00:14:14.520 --> 00:14:19.960 outside of that, so there's really not an issue with any sort of gases that come off 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:20.960 the facility. 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:21.960 Okay. 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:22.960 All right. 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:23.960 Thank you. 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:24.960 Okay. 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:25.960 Any other questions? 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:32.080 On the road, have we ever done that before where we paid another city for upgrading a 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:33.080 road? 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.960 From what I understand, when the road, when the landfill was operational, we did go in 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:42.920 and rebuild part of another road, Mosley Road, which comes around the west side of the facility. 00:14:42.920 --> 00:14:49.360 We did pay for part of the reconstruction of that road, but again, that was back in the 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:53.360 late '70s, early '80s when that happened. 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:54.360 Okay. 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.360 Is there an item that you need some direction on? 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.240 I need some direction on that, how we go about proceeding. 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:07.200 Actually on the, I think we fixed the landfill the way we should fix it, at the 3.8 million. 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:08.560 How does the rest of the board feel? 00:15:08.560 --> 00:15:11.400 It's not a boat, it's just a direction. 00:15:11.400 --> 00:15:14.560 I don't see that we've got much choice on that. 00:15:14.560 --> 00:15:15.560 You don't just patch it. 00:15:15.560 --> 00:15:16.560 You fix it. 00:15:16.560 --> 00:15:19.560 But this is not a done deal. 00:15:19.560 --> 00:15:21.600 We don't know how that's going to proceed. 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:23.200 I mean, I see the dollar amount. 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.080 You're just asking for - No. 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:32.400 Option three, though, just the repairing of the landfill, not the road piece. 00:15:32.400 --> 00:15:33.400 Is all I'm asking. 00:15:33.400 --> 00:15:34.400 Yeah. 00:15:34.400 --> 00:15:35.400 Do we - 00:15:35.400 --> 00:15:37.080 Yeah, there are really four options. 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.760 Well, actually, there's only two options. 00:15:38.760 --> 00:15:42.020 We're not going to not do anything, and we're not going to move the way, so either we just 00:15:42.020 --> 00:15:46.920 repair the side slopes, or we go forward and do a full repair of the cap that's on us. 00:15:46.920 --> 00:15:56.440 I'd need to repair it, rather than just patch it. 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.840 And then on the road. 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:06.160 I mean, staff would consider direction, and I think it would be staff's recommendation 00:16:06.160 --> 00:16:12.140 that we partner with Crossroads, because they're going to see some benefit due to this recreational 00:16:12.140 --> 00:16:14.200 facility going in in this area, also. 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:15.200 So I would - 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:16.200 Yeah, and we want to be a good neighbor. 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:17.200 We want to be a good neighbor. 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:18.200 All right. 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:19.200 I have a question. 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:20.200 Yes, sir. 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:27.680 As the idea of transferring ownership, or part ownership, of this to Crossroads ever 00:16:27.680 --> 00:16:34.240 been discussed, since they're there, and we're here, and we're on the other side of the lake. 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.480 It's further away from Denton proper. 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.440 It has not yet, but again, in pursuant to subchapter T, we would have to bring it out 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:42.440 to a certain level. 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.840 We would have to do this work before we'd even consider - 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.760 You might want to think about some approach to that. 00:16:48.760 --> 00:16:50.600 To me, it would make sense. 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.160 It's in their backyard. 00:16:53.160 --> 00:16:58.160 Well, you also have to keep in mind that they may not want it. 00:16:58.160 --> 00:16:59.160 Yeah. 00:16:59.160 --> 00:17:00.160 There's a liability associated with it. 00:17:00.160 --> 00:17:04.800 So, I mean, it's the city that's in it, and so I don't see many communities wanting to 00:17:04.800 --> 00:17:10.000 accept a former landfill, because I would assume if we deeded it to them, however way, 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:11.000 they would be responsible for future monitoring. 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:12.000 Correct. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:13.000 Right. 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:14.000 Any type of permitting, et cetera, et cetera. 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:19.480 That would take a heck of an agreement to accomplish, to rid ourselves of the obligations 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:20.480 there. 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:21.480 Yes, it would. 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:22.480 So, yeah. 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:23.480 All right. 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:24.480 Do you have what you need? 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:25.480 I have what I need. 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:26.480 Thank you. 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:27.480 Thank you very much. 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:28.480 All right. 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:30.640 The next item is our consent agenda. 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.480 Does any board member wish to pull an item? 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:34.480 Yes. 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.840 I have a question on the first one. 00:17:37.840 --> 00:17:38.840 On A? 00:17:38.840 --> 00:17:41.440 Do I need to tell you all the ones? 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:42.440 Yep. 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:43.440 You want to pull A? 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:44.440 And B? 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:45.440 Or excuse me, D? 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:46.440 Or then Delta? 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:47.440 E is in Echo. 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:48.440 Okay. 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:49.440 H? 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:50.440 Or then Harley-Davidson. 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:51.440 Okay. 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:52.440 Retired guy. 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:53.440 Says the retired guy. 00:17:53.440 --> 00:18:10.640 So then, do we have a motion to approve B, C, F, and G? 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:13.640 No approval. 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:15.360 Second. 00:18:15.360 --> 00:18:17.240 All in favor say aye. 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:18.240 Aye. 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:19.240 Opposed? 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:20.240 Carries. 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:21.240 Okay. 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.240 Item A. 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:28.700 Item A is the amendment to the Garver engineers contract. 00:18:28.700 --> 00:18:31.440 First amendment to the, yep, for Garver LLC. 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:32.440 All right. 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:36.040 I'm Frank Pugsley, Director of Water Utilities, and just a little background on that project. 00:18:36.040 --> 00:18:41.360 Garver is the design engineer on the Lake Louisville water treatment plant solids handling 00:18:41.360 --> 00:18:46.900 system and that is where we're going to install a belt filter press and some additional recycle 00:18:46.900 --> 00:18:53.000 pumps to manage our water treatment residuals and also this project will let us recover 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:57.560 and recycle some of the wasted water that was otherwise going to the sewer. 00:18:57.560 --> 00:19:02.840 So Garver is going to be performing our construction administration and construction observation 00:19:02.840 --> 00:19:04.440 services. 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:10.000 Just a suggestion on that, have you talked about any kind of acceptance criteria for 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:16.120 this sludge dewatering system, meaning how many tons per hour of throughput you want 00:19:16.120 --> 00:19:19.680 and what moisture you want removed from the sludge? 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:20.680 Yes, absolutely. 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:25.920 Those are all part of the design and we went through a pretty extensive design evaluation 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:30.720 of different technologies, so yes, we have a target moisture content and a target throughput 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:31.720 for the facility. 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:32.720 That's it. 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:33.720 All right. 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:40.840 So just to clarify, this is for the administration of the contract, we okay to contract with 00:19:40.840 --> 00:19:42.520 the actual construction company? 00:19:42.520 --> 00:19:43.520 Yes, ma'am. 00:19:43.520 --> 00:19:44.520 Already? 00:19:44.520 --> 00:19:45.520 Yes. 00:19:45.520 --> 00:19:46.520 Yeah. 00:19:46.520 --> 00:19:47.520 Okay. 00:19:47.520 --> 00:19:49.560 Do we have a motion to approve? 00:19:49.560 --> 00:19:51.480 I move we approve. 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:52.480 Any second? 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:53.480 Second. 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:54.480 All in favor say aye. 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:55.480 Aye. 00:19:55.480 --> 00:20:02.520 Item A. D. Consider recommending adoption of an ordinance for the City of Denton, a Texas 00:20:02.520 --> 00:20:13.480 Home Rule Municipal Corporation with TMPA. 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:14.480 Good morning, PB. 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.600 My name is Smith Day, Denton Municipal Electric. 00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:21.080 I'm the regulatory and risk division manager. 00:20:21.080 --> 00:20:26.400 I do have, depending on how in-depth you want to go, I do have a presentation. 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:29.000 We can do some things. 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:30.240 I just have a simple question. 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.240 Yes, sir. 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.920 Is the $2.8 million budgeted in the density? 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:35.920 In the city? 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:36.920 Yes, sir. 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:43.680 It's part of the proposed DME proposed city budget for the general budget. 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:45.480 I have a question before we, I'm sorry. 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:46.480 Nope. 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:49.440 Just, should some of this be discussed in executive session if he's going to put a presentation 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:50.440 on? 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:53.760 I, no, it's on the agenda, so it's. 00:20:53.760 --> 00:20:56.360 No, this is not confidential. 00:20:56.360 --> 00:20:57.360 Yeah. 00:20:57.360 --> 00:20:58.360 So there's no detail. 00:20:58.360 --> 00:20:59.360 Okay. 00:20:59.360 --> 00:21:01.680 Okay. 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:06.600 And I was going to ask you, since you are the board member for TMPA representing us, 00:21:06.600 --> 00:21:07.600 this is all. 00:21:07.600 --> 00:21:08.600 Yes. 00:21:08.600 --> 00:21:09.600 Within. 00:21:09.600 --> 00:21:13.320 This has already been approved through the TMPA and now proposing it through the city. 00:21:13.320 --> 00:21:14.320 All right. 00:21:14.320 --> 00:21:15.320 Process. 00:21:15.320 --> 00:21:16.320 Yes, sir. 00:21:16.320 --> 00:21:20.000 Each city, because the budget increase was 20% or greater. 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.000 Right. 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.120 That triggers a provision in the joint operating agreement where each city must agree to that 00:21:25.120 --> 00:21:26.120 increase. 00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:27.120 Okay. 00:21:27.120 --> 00:21:29.320 Do we have a motion to approve this item? 00:21:29.320 --> 00:21:30.320 I move we approve. 00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:31.320 And the second? 00:21:31.320 --> 00:21:32.320 Second. 00:21:32.320 --> 00:21:34.320 All in favor say aye. 00:21:34.320 --> 00:21:35.320 Aye. 00:21:35.320 --> 00:21:36.320 Carries. 00:21:36.320 --> 00:21:37.320 E. 00:21:37.320 --> 00:21:45.920 Okay, it's me again, Smith-A, DME. 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:51.800 So this is E, this is the amendment to the joint operating agreement, it was more of 00:21:51.800 --> 00:22:01.800 a housekeeping item to clean up a couple of problems in the original joint operating agreement. 00:22:01.800 --> 00:22:10.200 It made clear unambiguously that all cities that participated in the generation at any 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:16.240 time were going to participate in the decommissioning of the generator. 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:20.400 One of the cities had in the last couple of years gotten out of the power sales agreement 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:25.400 so there was an ambiguity there, hey, should this participant stay for the decommissioning 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:26.400 or not? 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:27.400 So this clears that up. 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:35.040 It also clears up an issue that the Texas security general had with the reclamation 00:22:35.040 --> 00:22:36.080 bonds. 00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:42.800 So again, that 20% increase provision with the reclamation bonds, there was a provision 00:22:42.800 --> 00:22:50.400 that if say there was a city, one of the four cities had an issue with this credit rating 00:22:50.400 --> 00:23:00.080 going down and that triggered a provision to add more to the bond funds, the bond reserves, 00:23:00.080 --> 00:23:06.880 that hey, if this 20% is sitting there, that's kind of a back door way of avoiding that. 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.800 Something that all the cities through TMPA already agreed to and the attorney general 00:23:10.800 --> 00:23:14.440 had a dim view of that so that was to correct that. 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:22.160 The only other thing was left is that this makes it clear that the mine property can 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:28.880 be sold piecemeal in different hunks and not all is one and it can be done with the proper 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:29.880 bonding. 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:30.880 >> Okay. 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:37.680 >> The only question I had is and after reading the text of amendment 3, it's my understanding 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:44.680 that authorizing the mayor to represent Denton excludes giving him the authority to make 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.800 financial commitments for the city of Denton. 00:23:47.800 --> 00:23:49.800 Is that true? 00:23:49.800 --> 00:23:55.120 In other words, I don't think the mayor -- I don't think you're giving the mayor exclusive 00:23:55.120 --> 00:24:00.960 authority to make financial obligations for the whole city of Denton, are you? 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.960 >> I don't believe that's true. 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:09.400 >> We'll have our attorney. 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:10.880 >> Larry Callister of city attorney's office. 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.920 No, the mayor does not have unilateral authority under that agreement to encumber any funds 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:16.920 to the city. 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:17.920 That comes back to council. 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:19.920 That's a recommendation to the PV. 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:23.160 >> I just wanted to clarify that. 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:27.560 >> All these rules had to be changed over the past few years with the 2019 plan which 00:24:27.560 --> 00:24:35.040 is now turned into the 20 who knows when plan. 00:24:35.040 --> 00:24:36.480 >> Do we have a motion to approve this item? 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:37.480 >> I move we approve. 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:38.480 >> And a second? 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:39.480 >> Second. 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.600 >> All in favor say aye. 00:24:41.600 --> 00:24:42.600 >> Aye. 00:24:42.600 --> 00:24:43.600 >> Each carries. 00:24:43.600 --> 00:24:44.600 And H. 00:24:44.600 --> 00:24:45.600 >> Thank you. 00:24:45.600 --> 00:24:46.600 >> Thank you. 00:24:46.600 --> 00:24:47.600 Item H. 00:24:47.600 --> 00:24:48.600 >> H concerns the -- 00:24:48.600 --> 00:24:57.800 >> Oh, it's change order between Denton and DDM construction corporation for the Bonnie 00:24:57.800 --> 00:25:00.800 Bray round about. 00:25:00.800 --> 00:25:04.020 >> Right. 00:25:04.020 --> 00:25:08.920 >> Good morning, board members. 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:09.920 I'm Jim Jenks. 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:14.440 I'm senior engineer with capital improvements department. 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:22.960 This is the first change order on this construction contract and it was basically the original 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:28.800 contract was awarded at the May 21st city council meeting at which time staff did inform 00:25:28.800 --> 00:25:35.280 council there will be a change order coming up that will pertain to the addition of the 00:25:35.280 --> 00:25:38.800 water line relocation work to this project. 00:25:38.800 --> 00:25:46.320 That is the majority of this change order amount both in the dollar amount and the added 00:25:46.320 --> 00:25:47.320 days. 00:25:47.320 --> 00:25:59.760 I can tell you at this point almost all of that water line is in now and we have Bonnie 00:25:59.760 --> 00:26:03.560 Bray street open to traffic one direction north and south. 00:26:03.560 --> 00:26:09.920 We managed to do that before the UNT classes started up which was our objective from the 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.760 start and we did it. 00:26:12.760 --> 00:26:15.420 But at any rate, that's the crux of it. 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:21.000 There are some other items of work within the change order that it entails particularly 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:26.080 related to the expediting of work to meet that schedule. 00:26:26.080 --> 00:26:30.360 And I've broken it out in great detail I realize in the attachments. 00:26:30.360 --> 00:26:35.080 I don't mean to be overwhelming with that but we wanted to show each individual item 00:26:35.080 --> 00:26:38.280 of work within each of the major items. 00:26:38.280 --> 00:26:41.360 With that I'll stand for any questions. 00:26:41.360 --> 00:26:46.400 >> Part of this extra is to relocate a 20 inch or 16 inch and a 12 inch water line that 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:52.000 was a surprise to somebody that they didn't know needed to be relocated, right? 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.360 >> Well, no, sir. 00:26:54.360 --> 00:26:59.960 It was part of the roundabout project throughout. 00:26:59.960 --> 00:27:07.180 It was earlier this year the intent was to add that work as a change order to another 00:27:07.180 --> 00:27:10.520 project where we already had a contractor on site. 00:27:10.520 --> 00:27:17.040 However, we realized that geographically that job site is too far away from that contractor's 00:27:17.040 --> 00:27:18.960 site and so we had to change plans. 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:24.560 We realized we couldn't add it to that contract so we had to add it to this one. 00:27:24.560 --> 00:27:29.560 But that scope of work was part of this roundabout project. 00:27:29.560 --> 00:27:30.980 >> One other question. 00:27:30.980 --> 00:27:38.240 What process do you have to identify and revise your underground utility drawings to show 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:44.200 field information you discovered about things that are there that you didn't know were there? 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:45.920 >> That's a good question. 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:54.760 We have on every project we require when a contractor installs new lines or even discovers 00:27:54.760 --> 00:28:00.440 existing facilities that are not where we thought they were, they have to add them to 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.160 what we call the record drawings. 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.800 The contractor keeps a record of those during the construction phase. 00:28:06.800 --> 00:28:09.200 Our inspector keeps track of them as well. 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:14.520 And we don't accept the project is complete until the contractor has provided our consulting 00:28:14.520 --> 00:28:21.100 engineer those record drawings for the engineer to draw up and put into the CAD plans and 00:28:21.100 --> 00:28:24.680 seal them and deliver to us as part of the final package. 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:29.080 And then going forward we keep those records digitally so we have access to them in the 00:28:29.080 --> 00:28:30.080 future. 00:28:30.080 --> 00:28:31.080 >> Good. 00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:32.080 >> Okay. 00:28:32.080 --> 00:28:33.080 Any other questions? 00:28:33.080 --> 00:28:34.080 Okay. 00:28:34.080 --> 00:28:37.680 Do we have a motion to approve this item? 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.160 >> I move we approve. 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:40.160 >> And a second? 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:41.160 >> Second. 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:42.160 >> All right. 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:43.160 All in favor say aye. 00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:44.160 >> Aye. 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:45.160 >> Okay. 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:46.680 Motion carries. 00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:52.320 Next item is approval of minutes of the August 26, 2019 board meeting. 00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:57.000 Were there any changes or suggestions? 00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.640 Then they stand approved as presented. 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:06.520 And the next item is consider recommending adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, 00:29:06.520 --> 00:29:10.800 Texas authorizing the expenditure of funds for the payment of wholesale transmission 00:29:10.800 --> 00:29:11.800 charges. 00:29:11.800 --> 00:29:14.160 I won't read the whole thing. 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.640 >> Tony Puente, chief financial officer, interim GM for DME. 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:23.400 This is really just a kind of administrative approval process in the past. 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:28.160 These charges, which are regulatory in nature, were simply processed by staff, but due to 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:35.480 some staff changes back in 2017, we brought these forward to the PAB and also to the council. 00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:39.760 These are wholesale transmission charges that are allocated to the City of Denton for the 00:29:39.760 --> 00:29:45.240 entire ERCOT system, very similar to the types of charges that we get paid for transmission 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:51.320 assets that the city owns and also pays to construct or repair. 00:29:51.320 --> 00:29:56.040 So with that, if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. 00:29:56.040 --> 00:29:57.040 >> Questions? 00:29:57.040 --> 00:29:58.040 >> Yeah, I have a question. 00:29:58.040 --> 00:30:02.600 And I'm asking out of ignorance here because I simply don't know the answer to this. 00:30:02.600 --> 00:30:10.200 Is there a standard formula from FERC or some other organization that defines what method 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:17.920 these transmission providers use to select the costs that are included and then distributed? 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:24.380 Is there a standard methodology for calculating these costs by each of these transmission 00:30:24.380 --> 00:30:25.380 providers? 00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:29.800 >> There is, and that is overseen by the PUCT, and so periodically these utilities will have 00:30:29.800 --> 00:30:37.100 to go to the PUC or really on an interim basis and file rate cases that justify the assets 00:30:37.100 --> 00:30:40.760 that are included and also the expenditures that have been made for those so they can 00:30:40.760 --> 00:30:44.060 be allocated out. 00:30:44.060 --> 00:30:48.080 >> So there are six different transmission providers here. 00:30:48.080 --> 00:30:51.960 So is the method that all six use the same to include cost? 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:52.960 >> Yes. 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:53.960 >> Okay. 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.240 >> All right. 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.240 Any other questions? 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.000 We have a motion to approve. 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.760 >> I move we approve. 00:31:01.760 --> 00:31:03.800 >> Is there a second? 00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:04.800 Ed's got the second. 00:31:04.800 --> 00:31:05.800 All in favor say aye. 00:31:05.800 --> 00:31:06.800 >> Aye. 00:31:06.800 --> 00:31:07.800 >> Aye. 00:31:07.800 --> 00:31:09.480 >> All right. 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:15.120 Next item is consider recommending the adoption of an ordinance to the City of Denton between 00:31:15.120 --> 00:31:23.000 DB Denton II LLC. 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:40.680 >> Sorry, had to correct the spelling error. 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.680 >> It's all right. 00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:45.080 >> Good morning, board members. 00:31:45.080 --> 00:31:46.080 My name is Kenny Banks. 00:31:46.080 --> 00:31:48.800 I'm the general manager of utilities. 00:31:48.800 --> 00:31:51.480 This project has been quite a while coming. 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:55.120 It is associated with the Razor Ranch development. 00:31:55.120 --> 00:32:01.120 And it involves a sewer line that runs from scripture road down to I-35. 00:32:01.120 --> 00:32:05.960 So portions of Razor Ranch are currently served by an existing ten inch sewer line that runs 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.280 from scripture to I-35. 00:32:08.280 --> 00:32:12.760 The water and sewer analyses that were used to determine what kind of infrastructure we 00:32:12.760 --> 00:32:19.040 needed at full build out for Razor Ranch were completed by Kimley horn in 2007. 00:32:19.040 --> 00:32:22.920 And they were summarized in the general development plan for Razor Ranch. 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.360 These analyses indicated that that scripture to I-35 line would need to be upsized because 00:32:28.360 --> 00:32:33.400 the amount of flow that would be possible going through that line would be exceeded 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.920 at some point in the development. 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:42.080 And it would require an upsize from the ten inch to 12 and possibly 15 inch line. 00:32:42.080 --> 00:32:45.440 The existing sewer line is currently at capacity. 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.080 And we've actually routed a portion of the flow to the temporarily to the north by the 00:32:50.080 --> 00:32:53.360 larger line at university. 00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:58.400 And we are in need of basically upsizing this line. 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.480 So the developer is paying for the complete cost associated with this line. 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.840 And that is what is described in the agreement that is included in your backup. 00:33:07.840 --> 00:33:13.200 Denton will manage the project and will install a portion of the line near I-35 using city 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:19.600 denton construction crews that will be included in the cost that the developer will cover. 00:33:19.600 --> 00:33:23.360 And we will have to use a boring contractor for a portion of it due to some of the underground 00:33:23.360 --> 00:33:26.440 infrastructure that is in that area. 00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:30.000 We've done some additional analyses through our engineering department and determined 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:35.240 that a 12 inch line is sufficient for the northern section. 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.960 And we will do a 15 to 16 inch line on the southern section. 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.360 A good portion of this project will be done through pipe bursting technology where we're 00:33:43.360 --> 00:33:49.840 actually going through the existing pipe and breaking that pipe apart and pulling a new 00:33:49.840 --> 00:33:52.200 piece of pipe in behind it. 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.840 And so we're hoping that by doing that we'll be able to move relatively quickly, also be 00:33:57.840 --> 00:34:03.240 minimally invasive in the area because we don't have to unearth the entirety of the 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.760 pipe, just have to unearth it at a few sections. 00:34:06.760 --> 00:34:10.880 So again the developer's funds are going to be used solely for the design permitting 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:15.880 construction management and total installation of the project. 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:21.760 The developer has provided those funds to the city in the current amount of $9.98, $7.98 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:28.400 and we have those in hand and we are hoping to $7.78, I apologize. 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:34.280 We're hoping to get this project started as quickly as possible and we are recommending 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.200 approval of the ordinance that will be taken to council for this project. 00:34:38.200 --> 00:34:39.600 And I'd be happy to answer any questions. 00:34:39.600 --> 00:34:41.160 >> Do we have questions? 00:34:41.160 --> 00:34:43.100 >> I have a question. 00:34:43.100 --> 00:34:48.520 This may not have any relevance but I just am curious. 00:34:48.520 --> 00:34:51.800 This study was completed in 2007? 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:52.800 >> Correct. 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:57.040 >> And when that was-- that study said that somewhere down the line this is going to have 00:34:57.040 --> 00:34:58.040 to be done? 00:34:58.040 --> 00:34:59.040 >> Correct. 00:34:59.040 --> 00:35:05.880 >> My question is-- and this is not pointing fingers or anything but just asking why wasn't 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.120 this initially done then? 00:35:08.120 --> 00:35:12.760 >> It had to do with the overall development phase of Razor Ranch so it would have been 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.760 putting the infrastructure in well ahead of when it was actually needed. 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:22.600 What we're hoping to do is basically get to the point and we are a little bit past where 00:35:22.600 --> 00:35:28.440 I'd like to be but my recommendation on something like this would be to wait until we get fairly 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:35.880 close to the overall capacity of the line before we replace it with a new line. 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.720 That way you get the maximum life out of your infrastructure once that's done. 00:35:39.720 --> 00:35:44.600 In other words, had we done this in 2007, we'd have 12 years worth of infrastructure 00:35:44.600 --> 00:35:46.920 in the ground that we really didn't need. 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:53.520 So our hope is to get it done at a time where it's most appropriate and that will give us 00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:56.040 the maximum overall lifespan of that infrastructure. 00:35:56.040 --> 00:36:02.080 >> Yeah, I was just curious because I wondered what the difference in cost would be and how 00:36:02.080 --> 00:36:05.320 that would balance out with the capacity needs. 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:10.520 >> Yes, it definitely is something that if you get in there earlier, it's-- construction 00:36:10.520 --> 00:36:15.800 cost as a general rule have a tendency to continue to rise and now in particular is 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.040 a time where we're seeing a fairly large rise in construction on a relative basis. 00:36:21.040 --> 00:36:24.880 But again, you have to weigh that against the overall replacement of the infrastructure 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:31.560 and the timing of when the developer would like to put the funds in place and so it's-- 00:36:31.560 --> 00:36:37.880 we're at a point now where we have enough time to complete this project. 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:43.440 We've done a few things to ensure that we have routed the sewage appropriately so that 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.000 we can complete this project. 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.840 But I understand what you're saying. 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.760 Construction cost, it's always a balance between when you want to do it, when it makes sense 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:58.080 financially, when it makes sense capacity-wise and then also how can you get the maximum 00:36:58.080 --> 00:36:59.080 out of your lifespan. 00:36:59.080 --> 00:37:00.080 >> Thank you. 00:37:00.080 --> 00:37:01.080 >> Mm-hmm. 00:37:01.080 --> 00:37:04.240 >> What is the useful life of the sewage line typically? 00:37:04.240 --> 00:37:08.760 So if we would have done it earlier, were we halfway into the life and we weren't even 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:09.760 at capacity? 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:10.760 >> Yeah, that's an interesting question. 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:12.760 It depends on a lot of factors. 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.720 We camera all of our infrastructure assets on the sewer side in the city and we have 00:37:17.720 --> 00:37:24.260 an asset management program that we run with that information. 00:37:24.260 --> 00:37:31.080 And so the short answer and it's the answer you're likely going to hear out of the consultants 00:37:31.080 --> 00:37:36.760 in the profession, it depends, we-- what we're going to do is we'll basically be cameraing 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.960 this line just like we will with any other and our goal is just simply to get the maximum 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:41.960 lifespan. 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:47.600 If we've got shifting soils that have a tendency to be expansive and contractive, you've 00:37:47.600 --> 00:37:52.560 got a tendency to get a little bit less lifespan, it would not be unusual at all for something 00:37:52.560 --> 00:37:55.200 like this to be able to last 30 plus years. 00:37:55.200 --> 00:37:56.200 >> Okay. 00:37:56.200 --> 00:37:57.200 Thank you. 00:37:57.200 --> 00:37:59.360 Any other questions? 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.480 Do we have a motion to approve? 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.400 >> I'll second. 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.160 >> All in favor say aye. 00:38:06.160 --> 00:38:07.160 >> Aye. 00:38:07.160 --> 00:38:08.160 >> Aye. 00:38:08.160 --> 00:38:09.160 >> Motion carries. 00:38:09.160 --> 00:38:10.160 >> Thank you. 00:38:10.160 --> 00:38:11.160 >> ACM update. 00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:12.160 >> Yes. 00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:13.160 Good morning, members of the board. 00:38:13.160 --> 00:38:20.400 The ACM update is just a city manager update and we provide this on a-- as you all meet 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.080 just to provide you just with memorandums based on questions that have been brought 00:38:24.080 --> 00:38:28.520 up by board members so that we can follow up with you as opposed to full-fledged presentation 00:38:28.520 --> 00:38:31.360 to keep the meetings going hopefully smoothly and quickly. 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:37.520 We try to provide these to you in a memorandum or just through some kind of document for 00:38:37.520 --> 00:38:39.960 your review. 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:45.600 Based on the most recent request, we had had a request about audit measures on one of our 00:38:45.600 --> 00:38:51.560 billing and printing contracts included in your packet is a memorandum from Tiffany Thompson, 00:38:51.560 --> 00:38:53.760 Director of Customer Service. 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.640 She's present here if any board members have specific questions about the memo. 00:38:59.640 --> 00:39:04.120 Outside of that, if you look ahead on your new business matrix, there are a few items 00:39:04.120 --> 00:39:08.280 that are still pending that we'll be bringing back to the board whether through a presentation 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.520 or even through a memorandum update on the energy center. 00:39:12.520 --> 00:39:14.320 We try to do those on a quarterly basis. 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:20.840 That way you all can see how the quarter performed on a look back basis and then we also got 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.960 an item there for a multifamily recycling. 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:29.680 So more than likely we'll be bringing it to the PUB and also to the committee on the environment. 00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:34.680 So if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer or Ms. Thompson's here as well. 00:39:34.680 --> 00:39:37.760 Thank you for the reply. 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.320 Just a comment. 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:43.160 Maybe a suggestion to go forward with the council discussion and where the work sessions 00:39:43.160 --> 00:39:44.160 is orientations. 00:39:44.160 --> 00:39:49.000 Again, I know we discussed this last time, because we could I think we could all educate 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:54.720 ourselves better on how the PUC determines transmission reimbursements, how ERCOT determines 00:39:54.720 --> 00:40:00.280 our production reimbursements, and just an overview, you know, we're not trying to get 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:06.260 into the electrical business, obviously, but we can certainly do that. 00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:11.480 I also forgot to welcome our two newest board members, Charlie Parker and Barbara Russell. 00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:16.360 Why don't you tell us just a little bit about yourselves. 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:17.360 You go first, Charlie. 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:18.360 Okay. 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:19.360 My name is Charlie Parker. 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:20.960 We are not related. 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:21.960 We are not related. 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.960 That's correct. 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:29.720 My wife and I moved to Denton about 21 years ago and raised our kids here and have enjoyed 00:40:29.720 --> 00:40:36.280 our time in Denton by way of background, I guess my education is as a financial analyst, 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.560 and my work life has pretty much been a small business person. 00:40:40.560 --> 00:40:49.080 Right now I have several properties here in Denton and some in New Mexico that I own and 00:40:49.080 --> 00:40:52.200 manage and that's pretty much what we do. 00:40:52.200 --> 00:40:54.840 Welcome back, Barbara. 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.040 Well we've been in Denton 50 plus years. 00:40:58.040 --> 00:41:09.720 I'm a realtor and a small business owner and interested in being of service. 00:41:09.720 --> 00:41:13.400 Concluding items, are there any items that a board member would like to have on the agenda 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.400 in the future? 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:17.400 Okay. 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.560 Hearing none, do we have a motion to adjourn? 00:41:19.560 --> 00:41:21.040 So moved. 00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:22.400 All right. 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:23.400 That was Billy. 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:26.040 It always will be. 00:41:26.040 --> 00:41:27.540 - We're adjourned.