WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.600 Meeting Wednesday, November 20, 2024, 10 a.m. in our council work session room. 00:00:11.600 --> 00:00:20.720 We, after determining that a quorum is present, the mobility committee, we're going to convene 00:00:20.720 --> 00:00:22.920 for a regular meeting here. 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:24.920 So we're going to move on. 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:29.120 First item of business, citizens' comment on agenda items. 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:33.600 I do have a card for a request to speak. 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:41.240 We're going to ask the gentleman to come up, and right now, Mr. Charles Patrick Lee to 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.080 come up and make his statement. 00:00:45.080 --> 00:00:48.760 Yes, how are you doing? 00:00:48.760 --> 00:00:54.640 My name is Charles Patrick Lee, and the topic I want to speak on today on the agenda is 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:56.680 about the bike racks. 00:00:56.680 --> 00:01:00.560 I don't really think they're a good waste of taxpayer money, because most people don't 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:01.560 ride bicycles. 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:07.920 Most people drive cars, and people aren't going to give up their cars to ride a bicycle. 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:14.280 And because of all the taxes going up, I don't believe it's a very good stewardship of taxpayer 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:19.120 funds and all this effort we're going into these electric vehicles. 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.480 I'm sorry, people are not giving up their cars for electric vehicles, because as far 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:30.520 as I'm concerned, they take too long to charge, and it's not inconvenient, because every time 00:01:30.520 --> 00:01:35.480 I went to the gas station, it never took me more than 15 minutes to charge up. 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:37.520 Never more than 15 minutes. 00:01:37.520 --> 00:01:39.600 And expect people to get an electric car. 00:01:39.600 --> 00:01:45.000 As far as my opinion, it is nothing more than an electric golf cart, because once the battery 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:51.360 goes, then the car goes, and then you just have a cart, and I'm sorry, nobody's giving 00:01:51.360 --> 00:01:53.160 up their car for an electric vehicle. 00:01:53.160 --> 00:01:57.320 They can't even sell them, nobody likes them, and I don't know why you guys keep trying 00:01:57.320 --> 00:01:58.320 to push this on people. 00:01:58.320 --> 00:02:01.360 It's not a good stewardship, and it's not a good idea. 00:02:01.360 --> 00:02:04.480 Thank you very much, and have a nice day. 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.440 Thank you. 00:02:08.440 --> 00:02:17.840 Moving on to the second item for these items for individual consideration, AMC 24-038. 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:21.600 Consider approval of the minutes from October 30th. 00:02:21.600 --> 00:02:25.360 You all added up, oh, good morning. 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.840 We have another member that has joined us. 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:31.200 Do you all have, can we get a motion for approval? 00:02:31.200 --> 00:02:35.020 I'll motion to approve the minutes from the last meeting. 00:02:35.020 --> 00:02:36.840 So it's been moved to second it. 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:40.840 Did anybody have any discussion or anything for the minutes? 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:46.120 All right, so let's vote, saying if you're approved, say aye. 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:47.120 Aye. 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.440 All right, so the ayes have it. 00:02:49.440 --> 00:03:00.040 Move on to B, MC 24-039, receive a report, hold a discussion, and approve the 2025 Mobility 00:03:00.040 --> 00:03:01.760 Committee meeting schedule. 00:03:01.760 --> 00:03:03.000 Good morning. 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:04.000 Good morning. 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.160 I wanted to present the 2025 meeting schedule. 00:03:07.160 --> 00:03:08.160 No major changes. 00:03:08.160 --> 00:03:13.320 We did go ahead and move the meetings in November and December since they were scheduled for 00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:14.320 holidays. 00:03:14.320 --> 00:03:16.640 We moved them to the week earlier. 00:03:16.640 --> 00:03:22.120 But still, last Wednesday of every month at 10 a.m. 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:23.120 Is there any discussion? 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.920 Is there anything that we, yes, yes, sir? 00:03:26.920 --> 00:03:31.580 I don't generally have a problem with the schedule, but one thing that I found effective 00:03:31.580 --> 00:03:37.280 last time we did the scheduling was to note which Tuesdays were going to be canceled. 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:40.920 Do we have a feel for which Tuesdays are canceled in 2025? 00:03:40.920 --> 00:03:43.320 Because I just don't remember it off the top of my head. 00:03:43.320 --> 00:03:46.880 I don't know it off the top of my head, but we can certainly provide that. 00:03:46.880 --> 00:03:54.000 Only in the sense that it might, you know, it's better for us to meet before council 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.000 rather than after council. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:57.000 Yeah. 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:01.520 I mean, but our date is going to stay the same, regardless. 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:02.520 Only in March. 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:04.680 We're meeting the day after a council meeting. 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:06.880 Okay, pretty much in March. 00:04:06.880 --> 00:04:07.880 Okay. 00:04:07.880 --> 00:04:13.440 Because sometimes those council meetings can run a little longer than we would like. 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:18.240 So I think that's one of the things that helped us when we made a decision to move it, you 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:23.200 know, back to 10 o'clock because it was pretty tough getting here, you know, at 8 o'clock. 00:04:23.200 --> 00:04:24.680 That was pretty rough. 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:30.280 So thank you all, City of Denton, for allowing us to do that. 00:04:30.280 --> 00:04:31.280 Anything else? 00:04:31.280 --> 00:04:32.280 All right. 00:04:32.280 --> 00:04:34.960 Are there any actions on this, Chair? 00:04:34.960 --> 00:04:35.960 Just approval. 00:04:35.960 --> 00:04:36.960 Do we need to vote on approval? 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:37.960 No. 00:04:37.960 --> 00:04:38.960 Okay. 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:39.960 So we're going to take this to a vote. 00:04:39.960 --> 00:04:40.960 Can we get a motion for approval? 00:04:40.960 --> 00:04:42.960 I move approval. 00:04:42.960 --> 00:04:43.960 Okay. 00:04:43.960 --> 00:04:44.960 Discussion? 00:04:44.960 --> 00:04:47.040 Any other additional discussion? 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:48.040 All right. 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:50.120 So raise your hand if you agree. 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.760 Are there any anyone in opposition? 00:04:52.760 --> 00:04:54.280 All right. 00:04:54.280 --> 00:04:55.280 So that is loop. 00:04:55.280 --> 00:04:57.240 You said two things. 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:58.240 Okay. 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.680 So I don't know where my head went. 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:01.680 Sorry. 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.440 Can we get hands for agreement? 00:05:03.440 --> 00:05:04.440 Okay. 00:05:04.440 --> 00:05:05.440 All right. 00:05:05.440 --> 00:05:06.920 So we're going to have approved it. 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:07.920 Thank you. 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:16.840 CMC 24-040, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding a pilot project for a golf cart 00:05:16.840 --> 00:05:24.040 operations in the southern sector of razor wrench development off of US 380, requested 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:35.600 by the Embassy Suites Hotel utilizing private driveways. 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:37.640 Good morning, Chair and Commissioners. 00:05:37.640 --> 00:05:39.280 My name is Sahar Svandiyari. 00:05:39.280 --> 00:05:44.720 I am a senior transportation planner with Transportation Services Department. 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:50.040 This morning, I would like to talk to you about a pilot project for using golf carts 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:58.400 in razor wrench development requested by Embassy Suites. 00:05:58.400 --> 00:06:05.560 So as you know, Embassy Suites is one of the biggest hotels in the area, and also the future 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:11.760 City of Denton Convention Center is going to be located in very close distance and adjacent 00:06:11.760 --> 00:06:13.400 to this property. 00:06:13.400 --> 00:06:19.420 So they are requesting to have a permit to use golf carts to provide a convenience shuttle 00:06:19.420 --> 00:06:26.120 service for their guests and City of Denton visitors to go to the restaurants or shopping 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:30.520 centers in the southern section of razor wrench. 00:06:30.520 --> 00:06:34.480 As you can see in this map, it is shaded in darker gray. 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:41.520 Under Texas Department of Transportation code, it is allowed that they use the golf carts 00:06:41.520 --> 00:06:45.560 within the master plan communities such as razor wrench. 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:52.720 Also the same code in another section mentioned that the City Council or the local government 00:06:52.720 --> 00:07:00.240 has the authority to regulate this use of the golf carts concerning about the safety 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.720 issues. 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:11.120 So staff from a technical perspective have proposed some conditions and restrictions. 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:16.440 First of all, this should be a pilot program for 24 months. 00:07:16.440 --> 00:07:21.960 The reason that we are asking for 24 months is that we are in Texas and we have some off 00:07:21.960 --> 00:07:28.280 seasons such as hot summers and cold winters, and through the 24 months we can gather enough 00:07:28.280 --> 00:07:35.160 information and data, especially from the safety perspective and police feedback about 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:39.000 how these golf carts can safely operate in these roads. 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:44.840 So after that, we are going to make the decision if we want them to continue using that or 00:07:44.840 --> 00:07:46.120 not. 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.480 Also there are some other restrictions that we are proposing. 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:55.760 First, the Texas transportation code, which are the basic rules that they have to follow. 00:07:55.760 --> 00:08:02.160 Second, we are proposing some operational restrictions such as the minimum age of the 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:05.680 licensed drivers should be at least 18 years old. 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:12.360 Also the time of the operation should be only between 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. to address the concerns 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:19.260 about the safety of the late night driving these golf carts around the area. 00:08:19.260 --> 00:08:22.840 Also we have some road use restrictions. 00:08:22.840 --> 00:08:28.240 As you can see in this map, the roads that are shown as red lines, they are all city 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:34.320 or Texas-owned roads, and they are not allowed to operate golf carts on these roads. 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:41.880 They only can operate golf carts on the roads that are shown as green line, and these roads 00:08:41.880 --> 00:08:47.520 are owned by Razor Ranch. 00:08:47.520 --> 00:08:51.660 We also add another safety layer to this request. 00:08:51.660 --> 00:08:55.980 We are going to request for issuing a permit. 00:08:55.980 --> 00:09:03.440 All the golf carts and along with the approved list of operators should have a valid permit. 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:08.760 This permit is going to be valid only for 24 months, and they have to apply for renewal 00:09:08.760 --> 00:09:09.960 after that. 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:14.120 And this permit can be revoked at any time if they cannot meet the conditions that we 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.920 are asking. 00:09:16.920 --> 00:09:22.360 So this opportunity that has been brought up by the embassy suite has some benefits. 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:27.320 Especially they are going to improve access for their guests and the city of Denton visitors 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:33.320 to provide them the shuttle from point A to point B with the restriction that we are going 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.720 to ask to follow. 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:45.080 Also it's a very clean and emission zero modes of transportation that they are asking to 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:50.220 have, also it has the community appeal. 00:09:50.220 --> 00:09:53.320 So staff recommends approval of this request. 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:58.440 We are also looking for the mobility committee support, and we are going to present this 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.240 to the city council for action later. 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:04.240 Thank you. 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.240 >> Okay. 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:08.240 Thank you very much. 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:09.240 Great presentation. 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:10.240 Yes, sir. 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:11.240 Dr. Beck. 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:12.240 >> Thank you. 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:20.680 Dr. Esfandari, the issue, not the issue, one of the concerns that was brought up in 00:10:20.680 --> 00:10:26.280 previous councils is sort of the safety aspects, and you brought that up with all the additional 00:10:26.280 --> 00:10:30.760 mirrors and licensing and breaking and all that. 00:10:30.760 --> 00:10:37.480 But I wonder if the solution for a restricted area like we're talking about that's not going 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:44.920 to cross over highways and primary arterials isn't petty cabs? 00:10:44.920 --> 00:10:48.960 Because those are already -- I believe they're already street legal in Denton, and you can 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:49.960 correct me on that. 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:54.400 I don't know if you need special chauffeur license like you do in Austin, but aren't 00:10:54.400 --> 00:10:59.000 they already legal and they wouldn't require us to do anything and you would be able to 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:04.560 move over the same four or five streets that were in the proposal? 00:11:04.560 --> 00:11:12.360 >> So as I mentioned, the Texas Department of -- the code of Texas transportation code, 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:13.360 they're allowed. 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:17.160 But we can regulate that. 00:11:17.160 --> 00:11:21.880 >> The golf carts are allowed, but I'm talking about bike cabs. 00:11:21.880 --> 00:11:22.880 >> Bike cabs. 00:11:22.880 --> 00:11:24.040 Oh, that's different. 00:11:24.040 --> 00:11:32.960 >> So I'm saying is it not a easier and already allowed alternative to just have bike cabs 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:38.920 for the same small thing and it makes us cute and quirky and I know not everyone wants to 00:11:38.920 --> 00:11:43.880 have a bike cab, but at the same token, it's an open air cab. 00:11:43.880 --> 00:11:46.840 Both of them are open air cabs. 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:52.280 >> I mean, we can definitely talk to embassy suites about this. 00:11:52.280 --> 00:11:56.840 This was an idea that they brought to us about the golf carts specifically. 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:02.240 They would like to use golf carts, and so we were trying to -- Farhan and Sahar and 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:08.200 Chandra came up with this pilot program idea to see if it would even work. 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:09.200 But we can talk to them. 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:15.200 I think their kind of proposal is that their staff are going to be operating these, and 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:22.880 so I'm not sure how that would work as far as, you know, from their staff perspective, 00:12:22.880 --> 00:12:25.800 but we can certainly talk to them. 00:12:25.800 --> 00:12:32.240 >> I would love that because I would be -- if there were opportunities for non-emitted vehicles. 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:37.520 I know most of these golf carts are battery, but -- or at least I'm going to guess that 00:12:37.520 --> 00:12:39.880 they're probably using battery-based golf carts. 00:12:39.880 --> 00:12:42.480 >> There's a gas base. 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:50.200 >> There are -- look, there are lots of gas ones, but I think there's an opportunity here 00:12:50.200 --> 00:13:02.080 to reduce VMT even further, and emissions even further, and enhance bike/pet infrastructure 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:09.200 even further in order to get, you know, sort of grease the skids a little bit for the actual 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:10.800 golf carts. 00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:12.280 >> Okay. 00:13:12.280 --> 00:13:13.280 >> That's my comments. 00:13:13.280 --> 00:13:14.280 >> All right. 00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:15.280 Thank you. 00:13:15.280 --> 00:13:16.280 Suzie? 00:13:16.280 --> 00:13:17.280 >> Thank you. 00:13:17.280 --> 00:13:22.920 >> They could already do this, and we're just trying to alleviate safety concerns? 00:13:22.920 --> 00:13:23.920 Is that correct? 00:13:23.920 --> 00:13:28.160 Like, they could do this on their private streets already, or does it have to be approved 00:13:28.160 --> 00:13:31.240 by the city before they can do that? 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:39.960 >> I think the police can stop them, and -- but with the regulations, we are going to frame 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:40.960 these operations. 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:41.960 >> Okay. 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:47.400 Okay, and so does Robeson Ranch have some approval from the city as well? 00:13:47.400 --> 00:13:53.960 >> We're a master plan community, so I don't know. 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.120 >> He's going to have to go in. 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:57.120 >> Sure. 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:58.120 Officer Jared Ray is here to answer these questions. 00:13:58.120 --> 00:13:59.120 >> How are you guys? 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:00.120 >> We're good. 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:01.120 >> All right. 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:02.120 Sorry I got brought into this, but -- 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:03.120 [ Laughter ] 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:06.560 >> I'm Sergeant Ray with Denton Police Department. 00:14:06.560 --> 00:14:07.560 I work in our day shift. 00:14:07.560 --> 00:14:09.640 I'm our day shift traffic sergeant. 00:14:09.640 --> 00:14:15.720 So the golf cart thing becomes kind of a big deal, right? 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:19.180 Whenever we had the conversation, I was completely against it, right? 00:14:19.180 --> 00:14:24.400 But with -- I think with some different rules in place, I think we could work some different 00:14:24.400 --> 00:14:25.940 angles, right? 00:14:25.940 --> 00:14:28.720 Razor Ranch is a master plan community, right? 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.920 So by Texas transportation code, there's three times, right? 00:14:31.920 --> 00:14:37.440 So in a master plan community, on a public or private beach, and then as well as five 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:43.240 miles to or from a golf course, with the intent, if you read it, by your golfing, right? 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:44.240 >> Right. 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.080 >> Not I'm just going to go drive around, it's to or from. 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.960 So we only have two golf courses that I'm aware of in Denton. 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.640 One is a nine hole, and then you have Robinson Ranch. 00:14:53.640 --> 00:15:00.120 So saying all that, we can't enforce anything on private property if you don't know it, 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:01.120 right? 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:05.520 So if someone runs a SOPS on in front of me, I'll just wave. 00:15:05.520 --> 00:15:07.520 Can't run them a ticket, right? 00:15:07.520 --> 00:15:08.600 Can't do anything. 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:13.600 So now if we think they're drunk, and then we can stop them for reasonable suspicion of 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.060 being intoxicated. 00:15:15.060 --> 00:15:20.560 So saying all that, you know, so to answer your question, if they want to do it, technically, 00:15:20.560 --> 00:15:22.560 they could, right? 00:15:22.560 --> 00:15:25.340 Once they go to the frontage road, we've got them. 00:15:25.340 --> 00:15:27.980 Once they go to Panhandle, got them, right? 00:15:27.980 --> 00:15:31.160 Because now they're on a public highway, right? 00:15:31.160 --> 00:15:36.080 So but on private roads, we can't do anything. 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:41.280 So if you have some type of restrictions in place, then it kind of helps things, right? 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:43.680 If that answers the question. 00:15:43.680 --> 00:15:44.680 >> I think so. 00:15:44.680 --> 00:15:49.840 So the goal here is just to make it safer, is what I'm understanding. 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:51.760 >> 100% to make it safer, right? 00:15:51.760 --> 00:15:57.440 So whenever I explained it to them, you know, so whenever I'm lucky and I get to ride on 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:02.480 our motorcycle, you know, for work, it's legal, right? 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:06.320 No matter where I drive, not because I'm a police, because I have a motorcycle license 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.020 and because I'm registered, because it's insured, right? 00:16:09.020 --> 00:16:10.440 So it's a little bit different, right? 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:14.980 On a bicycle, you know, a lot of people aren't looking at golf carts. 00:16:14.980 --> 00:16:19.560 And so it changes things, right? 00:16:19.560 --> 00:16:25.760 You know, we've had issues with Robinson Ranch on making arrests for DWI on golf carts. 00:16:25.760 --> 00:16:29.760 And they were really surprised whenever we worked their crash and then we're arresting 00:16:29.760 --> 00:16:30.760 them, right? 00:16:30.760 --> 00:16:32.960 Been there, done it. 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.360 So we want it to be safe, right? 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:40.960 So if you have an age, if you make sure that it has mirrors, turn signals, brake lights, 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:41.960 right? 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.480 Extra lighting, whatever, because the last thing we want is now we're working a bad crash, 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:46.480 right? 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.880 So if you put some other restrictions there, and that's what they're shooting for. 00:16:49.880 --> 00:16:50.880 >> Okay. 00:16:50.880 --> 00:16:51.880 >> Okay. 00:16:51.880 --> 00:16:52.880 >> Scott, did you have something? 00:16:52.880 --> 00:16:53.880 >> Thank you. 00:16:53.880 --> 00:16:54.880 >> Okay. 00:16:54.880 --> 00:16:56.280 >> I don't have any comments, but I'll let Scott keep. 00:16:56.280 --> 00:17:03.440 >> Well, I just, just to add into this kind of twofold, they absolutely want to be safe. 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.080 They want to maintain the staff that they have utilizing the carts that way they're, 00:17:07.080 --> 00:17:12.040 you know, we'll have each of the licensed operators identified as to who that's going 00:17:12.040 --> 00:17:13.040 to be. 00:17:13.040 --> 00:17:18.000 An important piece for them is that their guests, if they get in, you know, first thing 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.120 they identify that, you know, they need some shampoo or something, they can run to the 00:17:21.120 --> 00:17:25.560 new Target store, get some shampoo, take them back, or shuttle them to and from some of 00:17:25.560 --> 00:17:28.360 the restaurants. 00:17:28.360 --> 00:17:33.760 Just an antithetical piece of this is that that hotel, the Hotel and Convention Center 00:17:33.760 --> 00:17:35.720 is a lead hotel. 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:40.120 They put a lot of time and energy to be energy efficient, sorry about that, double energy, 00:17:40.120 --> 00:17:48.560 but they went through, I guess it was two years ago, and put all solar in there as well. 00:17:48.560 --> 00:17:55.040 This year, they worked on putting in ZeroScape, so they're incredibly environmentally focused, 00:17:55.040 --> 00:18:00.640 and so I can appreciate the option on a bike cart, which I'll ultimately suggest that 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:04.000 if they can offer that service as well. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:08.200 They were just looking for a convenient means to get their guests from point A to point 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:12.360 B, and again, I think it's a benefit to those people that are visiting Denton that, you 00:18:12.360 --> 00:18:17.040 know, some opportunity to go and see some of these things. 00:18:17.040 --> 00:18:22.240 They don't really have the ability to do it today, and then through Sahara's collaboration 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.720 with Denton Police Department and some of the other parameters that we can put in there, 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:31.520 we can make a safe and responsible way to be able to try to accommodate this, and again, 00:18:31.520 --> 00:18:35.120 a pilot program then just puts barriers on it to say, "Hey, we're going to give this 00:18:35.120 --> 00:18:39.520 an opportunity if it becomes a problem, we won't renew." 00:18:39.520 --> 00:18:40.520 Thank you. 00:18:40.520 --> 00:18:41.520 Thank you. 00:18:41.520 --> 00:18:42.760 I really like the idea of this. 00:18:42.760 --> 00:18:47.120 It would certainly be overkill, I think, to get in a full-sized, full-powered gas vehicle 00:18:47.120 --> 00:18:52.720 to drive, you know, two blocks away, so I like this from not just all the benefits that 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.320 were listed on the slide, but also the safety standpoint, so as somebody who's sometimes 00:18:56.320 --> 00:19:00.160 in this area on a bicycle, golf carts are slower. 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:01.240 They're less noisy. 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:06.280 They're less danger to me or, you know, people that live in South Razor Ranch. 00:19:06.280 --> 00:19:11.440 One nice thing about golf carts over something like a pedicab is that you can put these covers 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:15.960 on them, so if it is a little cold outside, it kind of can keep you drier, and if the 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:20.680 wind is really chilly, kind of like it is today, it keeps it a little warmer, so I mean, 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:21.680 I like this idea. 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:22.680 I appreciate it. 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:23.680 It's a pilot. 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.960 I appreciate all of the requirements that have been added in, so, I mean, I support 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:28.960 this. 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:29.960 Thank you. 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:30.960 Yeah. 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:31.960 Go ahead. 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:32.960 Yeah. 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:35.880 One thing that I would just maybe like to see out of this, I don't ... There's not like 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:41.600 a little pings of all of the destinations listed, but there are the Route 7 bus stops 00:19:41.600 --> 00:19:45.160 right nearby, so if maybe they want to connect into that so that people staying there can 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.920 just take the bus downtown, I think that would be neat. 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.920 That's a great idea. 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:52.920 I like that. 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.040 Well, I appreciate it. 00:19:55.040 --> 00:20:01.280 I just want to say what she said, so, you know, all of those things, but, you know, 00:20:01.280 --> 00:20:09.000 so we're looking forward to some additional growth over in there between the big box stores 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:14.900 and the movie theater, you know, there's still that space, so, and they'll have to get around 00:20:14.900 --> 00:20:20.760 that in some kind of way, so that'll be great from that perspective as well, so, yeah. 00:20:20.760 --> 00:20:21.760 Go for it. 00:20:21.760 --> 00:20:22.760 I think it's a great idea. 00:20:22.760 --> 00:20:24.760 Do we need to do ... Provide direction. 00:20:24.760 --> 00:20:26.760 Okay, so we're providing direction. 00:20:26.760 --> 00:20:30.560 We just need direction, and we'll bring it to council for action. 00:20:30.560 --> 00:20:32.960 I think we're all in it. 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:33.960 Thank you. 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.520 Thank you. 00:20:35.520 --> 00:20:41.920 Okay, so we are, and also that question about who was going to be running it, you know, 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:48.320 that was one of my questions, and we found that out. 00:20:48.320 --> 00:20:53.200 DMC 24-041, staff memorandums. 00:20:53.200 --> 00:21:13.840 So, I don't know if you want to go through each individual item, or if you have specific 00:21:13.840 --> 00:21:14.840 questions. 00:21:14.840 --> 00:21:22.680 I know this was a pretty lengthy memo with all of the exhibit backups, but happy to take 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:23.680 it anyway. 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:24.680 Okay. 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:28.560 Well, what I'll do is I'll just ask if anyone ... I like to go through each one, and just 00:21:28.560 --> 00:21:35.280 ask if anyone, to keep order, ask if anybody has any additional questions, comments, or 00:21:35.280 --> 00:21:37.200 concerns about bike racks. 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.960 Yes, Dr. Beck. 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:45.720 There was some of the comments in the item, was it exhibit two? 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:55.240 They were asking for options, and to the extent that we have funding and can schedule it in, 00:21:55.240 --> 00:22:00.000 all those options will promote the use of bike racks, so I'm supportive of all those 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:04.160 options to the extent that we can plan and schedule, and there's funding. 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:11.360 So, right now, the plan is to put a supplemental request in the FY26 budget for this pilot 00:22:11.360 --> 00:22:17.160 program for council consideration, so that ... Because currently, transportation planning 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:22.080 does not have the funding available to do this, however, we're going to request that 00:22:22.080 --> 00:22:27.800 supplemental in the next budget, and then we can ... If it's approved, we'll begin the 00:22:27.800 --> 00:22:28.800 pilot. 00:22:28.800 --> 00:22:34.200 Well, then just only because I still have the floor, then I would ask that we perhaps 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:40.120 bring a 2025 supplemental, at least for the bike racks themselves, without the options, 00:22:40.120 --> 00:22:45.760 because that's your mission critical item, is the actual bike rack, and the options for 00:22:45.760 --> 00:22:48.720 signage and everything else can be developed over time. 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:56.720 What was it, signage, shade, I can't remember, there's two others, solar lighting, all those 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:01.800 things are awesome, I like them, but they're not mission critical, the racks themselves 00:23:01.800 --> 00:23:08.200 are the things that draw people to the square and promote transitional mobility. 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:12.960 So I would just say we're in the FY25 budget right now, so this would require a budget 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:21.760 amendment, which we would have to basically prove the emergency need for an amendment 00:23:21.760 --> 00:23:26.520 of the existing budget, because traffic is in general fund. 00:23:26.520 --> 00:23:31.960 So we'll look at budget options and see what we can do in the meantime, but the earliest 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.760 opportunity is 26. 00:23:34.760 --> 00:23:39.600 Just normal opportunity, right, in our normal process. 00:23:39.600 --> 00:23:46.120 I appreciate that, I understand that I'm only one voice on this committee, so I don't want 00:23:46.120 --> 00:23:49.520 to dominate, so I'd love to hear other people's views on that. 00:23:49.520 --> 00:23:53.440 Suzy, did you have a view on that? 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.320 Would you? 00:23:55.320 --> 00:24:05.880 I'll second what Council Member Beck said about, the goal here right now is the bike 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:09.360 racks, not necessarily everything else, we can look at that at another time. 00:24:09.360 --> 00:24:14.080 Yes, it makes it more usable, people are more likely to use them, but we have places in 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:18.240 town where there's zero bike racks, so if I want to bike there instead of drive there 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:23.120 and maybe free up a parking space for somebody else by biking instead of driving, it's hard 00:24:23.120 --> 00:24:26.320 to bike there if I don't have anywhere to lock my bike, I don't want my bike to get 00:24:26.320 --> 00:24:27.320 stolen. 00:24:27.320 --> 00:24:34.600 So my primary interest continues to be especially existing businesses and strip mall type places, 00:24:34.600 --> 00:24:39.560 so Kroger has a bike rack, but it's falling apart, I keep hearing of bikes getting stolen 00:24:39.560 --> 00:24:44.840 from it, El Matador doesn't have a bike rack, like there's pizza places, donut places, I 00:24:44.840 --> 00:24:48.960 can't lock my bike anywhere, so I either have to take it inside, which is really awkward, 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.320 or I have to risk my bike being stolen, or I have to drive and take up an entire parking 00:24:53.320 --> 00:24:54.320 space. 00:24:54.320 --> 00:25:04.800 So as long as this includes possibly the opportunity for a business to maybe get a discounted bike 00:25:04.800 --> 00:25:08.520 rack that the city installs for them, which just takes out the complications of figuring 00:25:08.520 --> 00:25:12.560 out how do I install this, what kind of rack do I do, to some sort of pilot program where 00:25:12.560 --> 00:25:16.720 a business, especially a small business if we can sort of restrict that, can request 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:21.040 one and the city sort of navigates them through that, so that we're not just looking at places 00:25:21.040 --> 00:25:22.960 that already have some bike parking. 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:27.000 So for I Street downtown already have some bike parking, yes there's places there that 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:32.040 need more, but my priority is primarily the places that have no bike parking, and I'm 00:25:32.040 --> 00:25:35.560 okay with waiting until the next regular budget for that. 00:25:35.560 --> 00:25:42.680 That gives staff more time also to piece stuff together, how they're going to do it. 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:49.600 Did you have a comment, you don't get? 00:25:49.600 --> 00:25:57.560 I think that I would want to wait to allow the staff to pull everything together for 00:25:57.560 --> 00:26:05.760 us and give us a bit more information, apparently we need more information, and that's just 00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:06.760 my statement. 00:26:06.760 --> 00:26:11.080 All right, let's move on to construction signage, block it, anybody have anything on construction 00:26:11.080 --> 00:26:18.680 signage, block it, roll that one up, oh she's going to go and roll it up for us, blocking 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:26.360 signage, blocking pedestrians, I know that we were, had a few complaints about the signs 00:26:26.360 --> 00:26:32.760 being on the sidewalks, how are we, you know, just generally speaking, how are we kind of 00:26:32.760 --> 00:26:33.760 dealing with that? 00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:38.760 Are we speaking to the supervisors of the people or how's that going to work? 00:26:38.760 --> 00:26:43.800 Yeah, I think we're working with our contractors, because a lot of these are not our crews, 00:26:43.800 --> 00:26:48.360 but they're contracted, so we've been specifically working with our contractors to make sure 00:26:48.360 --> 00:26:52.000 that they're placing the signage in appropriate locations. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.480 I did want to let the committee know we actually received an email about, I think it was Bell 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:01.480 Avenue where we had a contractor working and they did place the signage in the appropriate 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:07.040 location and someone noticed, so I think we're, it's working. 00:27:07.040 --> 00:27:13.200 It works, it works, and so we're also going to encourage our community to use the Engaged 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:17.960 in NAP if they see something like that, that can just turn it in and that's a quick way 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:26.120 to, a quicker way to get something done about what you see, yes, Christine? 00:27:26.120 --> 00:27:31.800 I'll just comment, I guess, too, that I've seen recently, the bridge on 380 over kind 00:27:31.800 --> 00:27:36.960 of that mingo train yard, they have some signs on their sidewalk when you're headed east 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.120 and it's quite a skinny sidewalk, so they take up the entire sidewalk. 00:27:41.120 --> 00:27:47.840 And then I'm not sure if this qualifies, but on the bridge south of McKinney on 288, there's 00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:54.240 a bunch of barrels on one side of the sidewalk and it's, the barrels are not taking up the 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.920 entire sidewalk, but they're taking up the sidewalk away from the road, and so you're 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.600 forced to kind of walk directly next to the road rather than if they were on the other 00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:05.280 side and you could, oh, what was that location again? 00:28:05.280 --> 00:28:11.720 Yes, on, there's the bridge if you're going south, on 288 south from McKinney. 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:12.720 Okay. 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.400 Okay, I know where that is. 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.440 All right, anything else on that? 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.680 All right, yes, one more thing? 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:21.680 Okay. 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:26.280 But yeah, I do want to say again that I have noticed that it has improved since I asked 00:28:26.280 --> 00:28:29.400 for a meeting a couple years ago. 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:35.680 On the note of 380, that made me think, so if it's a tex dot roadway, do we have people 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:39.440 going out inspecting those or is that all tex dot at that point? 00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:43.920 So the sign on 380, which actually a woman was killed on her bicycle there about a year 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:49.600 ago at that exact location where the sidewalk is blocked, but that, 380 is a tex dot road. 00:28:49.600 --> 00:28:55.160 Yeah, it would be tex dot projects, so they would be responsible. 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:56.160 Okay. 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.000 I'd have to be notified. 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:02.940 And then, thanks to everybody who answered my written questions by the way, but in one 00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:11.960 of the answers, it says once construction is approved to be started, so like in my neighborhood, 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.200 there's signage out and it's been out for two, three weeks at this point and there's 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.440 not any active construction happening yet. 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:25.120 Was the signage placed after construction was approved to start? 00:29:25.120 --> 00:29:32.440 Like kind of at what phase does all that stuff get placed is sort of what I'm asking. 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:33.440 This guy knows everything. 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.760 Yeah, so good morning committee members, Seth Garcia, Deputy Director of Capital Projects. 00:29:37.760 --> 00:29:40.680 Can you be a little more specific on the neighborhood? 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.120 Yes, it's off of Malone, we'll say. 00:29:44.120 --> 00:29:45.120 Off of Malone, okay. 00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:46.120 Malone Street. 00:29:46.120 --> 00:29:49.780 It's neighborhood 26 or whatever, if you want the bonds number. 00:29:49.780 --> 00:29:51.280 That's perfect for what I need. 00:29:51.280 --> 00:29:52.280 Yeah. 00:29:52.280 --> 00:29:57.240 Typically, as we run through signs, traffic control plans, and especially the neighborhood 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:01.400 signs that talk about the name of the project are some of the first submittals that we get 00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:02.400 in. 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:07.080 Again, those are typically quick turnarounds to where the contractor will receive those 00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:10.160 back and go ahead and start implementing the traffic control. 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:14.840 Those should be followed up with the door hangers giving notice to residents that, hey, 00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:15.840 construction's coming. 00:30:15.840 --> 00:30:16.840 This is the first phase. 00:30:16.840 --> 00:30:21.160 We're going to be impacting driveways or you're going to just have local access. 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.920 So again, we try to get those out as fast as possible to get the local traffic used 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:30.040 to seeing, hey, signage is out here, it's actually coming. 00:30:30.040 --> 00:30:34.680 Again, until the contractor gets all submittals approved for materials, materials get ordered 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.640 and arrive on the job site, that's when you'll actually see it. 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:42.280 So it could vary from one week to hopefully not more than a month. 00:30:42.280 --> 00:30:47.440 We don't want to get them out there too long in advance, but again, it is kind of a prior 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:53.600 warning to let folks know, hey, we're beginning to come and signage is going up. 00:30:53.600 --> 00:30:59.040 So following up on that, if signage and traffic controls have been placed and there's not 00:30:59.040 --> 00:31:05.760 active construction at that specific location yet, is that getting the daily inspections 00:31:05.760 --> 00:31:07.160 for the traffic control signage? 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.160 Yes, absolutely. 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.680 And again, it's going to be done by two different parties. 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.920 So the contractor's responsible for doing kind of a daily drive through and they're 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:17.120 correcting issues. 00:31:17.120 --> 00:31:21.400 We also have our public works inspection staff or our contracted consultants that are going 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.920 through and checking those items as well. 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:28.120 So typically contractor will check it in the morning, our personnel and staff will check 00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:31.320 it as they're checking the various phases of the job. 00:31:31.320 --> 00:31:34.000 So hopefully it should be getting hit twice a day. 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:39.520 If not, like Council Member Byrd said, engaged it and this is a great way to notify or there 00:31:39.520 --> 00:31:44.200 is a phone number on all of those door hangers that will have direct contacts to the inspector 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.400 and the contractor if you see traffic control issues. 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:48.400 Thank you. 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:49.400 Yeah. 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:50.400 Thank you. 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:51.400 All right. 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:52.400 Where is Jeff? 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:53.400 Oh, you moved him up. 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.400 I didn't even look up. 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.640 And what about the crossing concerns between Ryan and Dollar General and six month follow 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:02.640 up? 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:03.640 Anybody have anything on that? 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:04.640 All right. 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:05.640 We'll move on. 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.120 DCTA trip funding project status. 00:32:08.120 --> 00:32:09.120 Any? 00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:12.680 Christine, do you have anything about that? 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:18.480 Susie, you have something and I asked for more information on this in the future and I'm 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:22.520 just going to confirm verbally that we will get more information in the future on these 00:32:22.520 --> 00:32:25.000 items, especially the ones that haven't been completed yet. 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:32.400 Yes, we are going to add it to a future agenda for our work session presentation so we can 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.000 have more discussion. 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:41.200 But we did provide that I did verify with staff that there was only one project that 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:45.760 had maybe a little different scope because I know you had asked that question. 00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:51.240 The Katie trail extension at May Hill in Colorado, that scope changed slightly from when we applied 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.320 to now proceeding with the project. 00:32:53.320 --> 00:32:56.800 So the staff will come back with a presentation to provide you. 00:32:56.800 --> 00:32:57.800 Thank you. 00:32:57.800 --> 00:32:58.800 Thank you. 00:32:58.800 --> 00:32:59.800 Dr. Bay. 00:32:59.800 --> 00:33:00.800 Mine was the same. 00:33:00.800 --> 00:33:04.280 I'll just add the commending for adding the status and everything else. 00:33:04.280 --> 00:33:08.400 I appreciate the current and ongoing information, but otherwise my question was the same. 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:09.400 All right. 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:10.400 Thank you. 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:23.720 Increasing sensitivity for bicycle sensors, increasing sensitivity for bicycle. 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.800 Bike detection that can howling. 00:33:27.800 --> 00:33:30.800 Yes. 00:33:30.800 --> 00:33:35.000 Either I'm getting a placebo effect or I'm already noticing the effects. 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:36.800 Yesterday I was headed to the square. 00:33:36.800 --> 00:33:44.440 I was crossing Crescent or crossing Carol at Crescent and typically that light has not 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:45.440 noticed me. 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.360 I've had to wait for a car to pull up and then ride with the car. 00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:51.000 But it did work last night. 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.600 So maybe that's related to this. 00:33:52.600 --> 00:33:54.400 If so, good job. 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:58.680 Well, James Andrews staff do a fantastic job. 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:04.240 He's over there in the corner trying to hide, but he takes care of those things very promptly. 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:05.240 So thank you. 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.040 Thank you so much. 00:34:08.040 --> 00:34:14.240 I probably would not have ever experienced that because I'm not a typical bike rider. 00:34:14.240 --> 00:34:17.760 So we certainly do appreciate that and giving that opportunity for bike riders. 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:18.760 Okay. 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:19.760 Quickly. 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:20.760 We got something. 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.640 Traffic signal at sundown in Teasley. 00:34:22.640 --> 00:34:26.080 Is there any questions or concerns? 00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:27.880 Yes. 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.480 It's exciting that that is happening in house and it's happening much faster. 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:32.480 That's really good to see. 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:33.480 Yes. 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:34.480 Yes. 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:40.000 That area has just grown so tremendously, very quickly. 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.520 What about the wrapped equipment box locations? 00:34:42.520 --> 00:34:48.600 Anybody have any additional questions about the wrapped? 00:34:48.600 --> 00:34:49.600 Do you all do Christmas? 00:34:49.600 --> 00:34:51.920 Do you all go with the seasons? 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.200 Are there any opportunities for us to look at seasonal? 00:34:55.200 --> 00:35:01.280 Well, I mean, these seasonal ones don't have to be necessarily that permanent, do they? 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:02.640 Just asking for a friend. 00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:03.640 Really. 00:35:03.640 --> 00:35:06.120 Let me ask it as a question then if I might. 00:35:06.120 --> 00:35:07.120 Yes. 00:35:07.120 --> 00:35:08.120 Aren't they permanent? 00:35:08.120 --> 00:35:09.120 Yeah, they're permanent. 00:35:09.120 --> 00:35:10.120 Until they're damaged? 00:35:10.120 --> 00:35:11.120 Yeah. 00:35:11.120 --> 00:35:17.880 So I guess Halloween town might be good for permanence, but the rest I don't know. 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.080 Well, it was just a question. 00:35:20.080 --> 00:35:22.560 Thank you for allowing me to ask it. 00:35:22.560 --> 00:35:23.560 Okay. 00:35:23.560 --> 00:35:24.560 Quarterly construction report. 00:35:24.560 --> 00:35:25.560 Let's see. 00:35:25.560 --> 00:35:31.400 Let's see what's going on in the quarterly construction report. 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:36.880 Is there any questions, Rosaline, I-35, Bonnie Bray? 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.000 We don't have any questions, comments or concerns? 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:40.000 This will work. 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:41.000 Is everybody okay? 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:42.000 What's this? 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.000 You do have one. 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.000 Yeah. 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:52.040 I appreciate the McKinney planning, but I noticed in the ETAs that we're really not 00:35:52.040 --> 00:36:00.080 going to get started after design until Q3 of '25, so that's a fair bit of time between 00:36:00.080 --> 00:36:03.960 now and then and we've already had one major incident in that stretch. 00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:13.240 And so I guess my question is what's our transitional plan for that stretch so we avoid more catastrophic 00:36:13.240 --> 00:36:14.240 events? 00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:15.240 Yeah, absolutely. 00:36:15.240 --> 00:36:17.960 So again, Seth Garcia, Deputy Director of Capital Projects. 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:23.000 So we're looking at some alternative items that we can do in the interim. 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:27.640 Again, we're expecting the revised 30% drawings in January. 00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:30.120 We're trying to expedite as quick as possible. 00:36:30.120 --> 00:36:35.480 Again, we were able to cut a lot of the timeframe in between designing construction due to not 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.320 having to potentially do utility relocations. 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:45.520 So again, that's something that we're currently evaluating, what we can do in the interim. 00:36:45.520 --> 00:36:50.040 That Q3 seems like a long time's out there following our procurement process and having 00:36:50.040 --> 00:36:52.160 to bid this project. 00:36:52.160 --> 00:36:53.160 We're looking at that. 00:36:53.160 --> 00:36:58.320 We may also leverage an internal City of Denton contract to be able to build pieces of the 00:36:58.320 --> 00:36:59.320 sidewalk. 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:04.800 Again, where we're going to come into the biggest issue is the main creek crossing near 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:10.360 Mack Park where we're looking at either pedestrian bridge or culvert extensions. 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:15.880 We don't necessarily have in place a great contract to do that, like a city standby contract. 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.400 So again, that may add some time and again, that's one of the biggest bottlenecks areas 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:25.160 where we're looking for some not so great interim improvements. 00:37:25.160 --> 00:37:28.040 There's not a lot of options, I should say. 00:37:28.040 --> 00:37:29.040 Okay. 00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:45.320 Well, I mean, I guess I will continue to put some emphasis and desire on even speculative 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:53.240 transitional approaches just because, I mean, you know, we've already had a catastrophic 00:37:53.240 --> 00:37:56.320 event and we want to avoid having more catastrophic events. 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:57.320 Yeah. 00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:58.320 No, completely understand. 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:03.720 And again, we're evaluating and anything innovative that we can come up with, we're going to try 00:38:03.720 --> 00:38:07.160 and implement quickly. 00:38:07.160 --> 00:38:09.280 Any additional thoughts? 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:10.280 Yes. 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.360 Thanks again for everybody who answered my written question. 00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:18.320 So now that I understand why certain projects are included and others not, can we add the 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.040 Welch-Sycamore side path project to this? 00:38:21.040 --> 00:38:22.040 Okay. 00:38:22.040 --> 00:38:23.760 Because I've struggled to follow the updates on that. 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.120 They've just kind of been really far between, so that would be helpful. 00:38:27.120 --> 00:38:28.120 Yep, absolutely. 00:38:28.120 --> 00:38:29.840 Thank you. 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.160 Yes. 00:38:32.160 --> 00:38:37.760 When you talk about the creek crossing segment, is that the portion that's like right near 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.120 the substation? 00:38:39.120 --> 00:38:45.160 No, so there's already box culverts that allow for the sidewalk next to the road there. 00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:51.840 It's actually just west of Mack Park or the west side of the Mack Park boundary. 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.080 On the north side, I think it's Dollar General. 00:38:54.080 --> 00:38:55.760 On the south side, it's the apartment complex. 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:56.760 Right, right. 00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:57.760 That little creek right there. 00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:58.760 Correct. 00:38:58.760 --> 00:38:59.760 Okay. 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.960 So that just, to me, that seems like an area where there's those really, really wide shoulders. 00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:09.280 So for something transitional or temporary, there could be something done there. 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:10.280 Yeah. 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:11.280 No, completely agree. 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.080 And that is what we're evaluating. 00:39:13.080 --> 00:39:18.160 Well, I want to speak on McKinney sidewalk. 00:39:18.160 --> 00:39:26.040 I think that you all are doing a great job, first of all, in accommodating our need for 00:39:26.040 --> 00:39:28.160 speed. 00:39:28.160 --> 00:39:38.160 And I don't want to have you all to, this is just me speaking, not speaking for anybody 00:39:38.160 --> 00:39:39.160 else. 00:39:39.160 --> 00:39:46.680 I don't want you all to be in a state of mind that this is like the top number one priority. 00:39:46.680 --> 00:39:49.040 We do have to give you all time. 00:39:49.040 --> 00:39:55.240 Dr. Bick, respectfully speaking, it sounds like you're looking for an interim while they're 00:39:55.240 --> 00:40:01.680 working on the interim because the main, the sidewalk is the interim. 00:40:01.680 --> 00:40:05.320 And the main course is going to come when the funding comes where we can really do that 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:06.320 street properly. 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:07.320 Is that right? 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:08.320 Is that what I'm understanding right now? 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:09.320 Yes. 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.040 Is that the sidewalk is the interim. 00:40:12.040 --> 00:40:16.880 And I think Dr. Beck is looking for an interim to the sidewalks. 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:17.880 So that's what I heard. 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.040 I'll let you speak to that in just a second. 00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:27.160 But it just seems like there's, you know, that mindset there. 00:40:27.160 --> 00:40:29.400 Yeah, and it's very much needed. 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:35.200 We should have done, we should have had McKinney Street done, especially if we had known several 00:40:35.200 --> 00:40:40.320 years ahead that we were going to add some additional population to that street, like 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.440 five more apartment complexes and neighborhoods and all of that. 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:51.720 So you know, just do the work, like as you're doing, and I know it's going to work out, 00:40:51.720 --> 00:40:56.800 but you know, it is what it is at this point, we've got to let you all work and do your 00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:57.800 jobs. 00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:59.080 Dr. Beck, did you want to speak to that? 00:40:59.080 --> 00:41:00.080 No, I'm good. 00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:01.080 All right. 00:41:01.080 --> 00:41:02.080 Thank you very much. 00:41:02.080 --> 00:41:03.080 Thank you. 00:41:03.080 --> 00:41:04.080 Thank you. 00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:05.080 Okay. 00:41:05.080 --> 00:41:06.080 Anything else? 00:41:06.080 --> 00:41:08.080 Is there anything else on this list? 00:41:08.080 --> 00:41:09.080 All right. 00:41:09.080 --> 00:41:17.320 So we're going to move on to EMC 24-042, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff 00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:21.160 direction regarding the future meeting topics. 00:41:21.160 --> 00:41:27.360 Thank you all for adding this to the directions because I know the last couple of times I 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.080 was forgetting to add it. 00:41:29.080 --> 00:41:31.640 So thank you for giving me that easy out. 00:41:31.640 --> 00:41:38.080 Is there anything that anyone want to have any questions, comments or concerns about? 00:41:38.080 --> 00:41:39.080 Yes, Dr. Beck. 00:41:39.080 --> 00:41:43.720 If there's interest, I would be interested in two things. 00:41:43.720 --> 00:41:48.680 And they're somewhat problematic as we only own parts of them. 00:41:48.680 --> 00:41:56.280 One is with the Mayhill reconstruction and the realignment of Edwards, there's issues 00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:04.040 about how our neighbors to the east of Mayhill get to the side paths and trails. 00:42:04.040 --> 00:42:08.480 The pathing is no longer as intact as it was. 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.640 The crossings are no longer as safe as they were. 00:42:11.640 --> 00:42:19.080 So I'd be interested in some sort of reporting about options for neighborhoods, able to move 00:42:19.080 --> 00:42:23.040 in that direction if there's interest from the from the body and that. 00:42:23.040 --> 00:42:32.280 The other one I'd be interested in is being educated about hawks, both best practice, hawk 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:40.800 crossings, both best practices and particularly we can put hawks on our streets under our 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:42.840 policies. 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:47.320 But most of the places we would want to hawk are not our streets. 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:54.400 And so that that gets that puts us in a conundrum where, you know, we we align our mobility 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.240 and our safety on our streets in ways that except for a few locations probably don't 00:42:59.240 --> 00:43:00.820 need hawks. 00:43:00.820 --> 00:43:02.080 So we mostly don't need them. 00:43:02.080 --> 00:43:08.120 Where we need them is places where our friends in Austin aren't always aligned with our safety 00:43:08.120 --> 00:43:10.100 protocols. 00:43:10.100 --> 00:43:15.500 So I'd like to learn as part of that education, if again, if the body is amenable, I'd like 00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:20.980 to learn a little bit more about the process for kind of going through text on on these 00:43:20.980 --> 00:43:22.760 on demand crossings. 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:23.760 Okay. 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.760 Anybody else? 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:31.480 Chair, I wanted to note we have a yes on removing the TRIP funding, but I'm going to ask staff 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.720 to leave it on so we can bring back a presentation. 00:43:33.720 --> 00:43:34.720 Yes. 00:43:34.720 --> 00:43:35.720 Thank you. 00:43:35.720 --> 00:43:36.720 Is that where you're going to? 00:43:36.720 --> 00:43:37.720 Okay. 00:43:37.720 --> 00:43:38.720 Glad it's still there. 00:43:38.720 --> 00:43:47.280 Also, I want to just make a little correction for me in leading kind of that discussion 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.160 on the wrap equipment box. 00:43:50.160 --> 00:43:56.760 I did not read through and it's actually talking about locations rather than the boxes themselves. 00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:00.420 I don't think that we had gotten into what does that mean? 00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:05.760 Can you all give us a little update on wrapped equipment box locations? 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:12.440 Why are we speaking on that? 00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:13.440 Thank you, doctor. 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:24.280 Good morning, chair and members for hon, but deputy director, transportation services division. 00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:29.680 So what question you specifically you have about locations are there are my question 00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:33.120 is, are we adding additional locations? 00:44:33.120 --> 00:44:42.720 Are we taking some away or we what is it about locations that we might want to update the 00:44:42.720 --> 00:44:44.640 people on? 00:44:44.640 --> 00:44:52.800 I spoke with the staff spoke with the parks department who's implementing this and we 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:58.600 found out that there's an incremental process where every year they add three or four locations 00:44:58.600 --> 00:45:02.880 as mentioned in the memo. 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.280 And for but they have a dedicated budget for that. 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:14.000 And for if we would like to go to to to adopt it for citywide option, then we'll have to 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:15.400 allocate some funding to that. 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.640 But they are open to that discussion. 00:45:18.640 --> 00:45:22.760 So this will be a great community discussion. 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.000 If they'd like to see me open it back up for community discussion. 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:32.960 I know the when we initially did this, it was a community wide thing. 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.520 Did ISD students could contribute to some of the art? 00:45:37.520 --> 00:45:44.840 So maybe it's time for us to look at that again, you know, citywide again, improve it. 00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:49.960 We haven't had a discussion as to how people, you know, if there's any been any kind of 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.440 complaints, damages, you know, an update like that. 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:54.440 I like to see that. 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.120 Have you all heard of anything positive? 00:45:58.120 --> 00:45:59.120 Nothing but positive things. 00:45:59.120 --> 00:46:02.720 But, you know, it's got to be something out there that can use some improvement. 00:46:02.720 --> 00:46:05.720 We can all use some improvement. 00:46:05.720 --> 00:46:09.000 Didn't want to turn on. 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.640 We can certainly add that to the list for discussion. 00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:17.520 The funding discussion goes through the Community Partnership Committee because that program 00:46:17.520 --> 00:46:19.640 is funded through hot funds currently. 00:46:19.640 --> 00:46:23.080 So we can definitely have the discussion with this committee and the Community Partnership 00:46:23.080 --> 00:46:24.080 Committee. 00:46:24.080 --> 00:46:26.520 I just happen to be on that other committee, so that'll be work. 00:46:26.520 --> 00:46:27.520 That'll work for me. 00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:28.520 Might be helpful. 00:46:28.520 --> 00:46:29.520 Yes. 00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:30.520 Yes. 00:46:30.520 --> 00:46:31.520 Okay. 00:46:31.520 --> 00:46:34.320 So it looks like we are done with that particular discussion. 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:40.360 Do we need to approve the yeses? 00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:41.360 I'll ask. 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.520 Do we need to approve the yeses? 00:46:43.520 --> 00:46:44.520 Okay. 00:46:44.520 --> 00:46:46.200 So we can see which ones are the yes. 00:46:46.200 --> 00:46:48.840 Number one, bike rack acquisition. 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:49.840 We've gone over that. 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:50.840 Updated. 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:55.240 We're going to add it all together. 00:46:55.240 --> 00:47:00.880 Construction signage, blocking pedestrians. 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:09.520 Crossing concerns between Ryan Eye and Dollar General, Embassy Suites golf carts, increasing 00:47:09.520 --> 00:47:18.280 sensitivity for bicycle sensors, traffic signals at Sundown and Teasley, trip, well, we could 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:24.600 say we're bringing yes, trip funding, and wrapped equipment box locations. 00:47:24.600 --> 00:47:30.240 Can we get an approval for all of this, too? 00:47:30.240 --> 00:47:31.240 Okay. 00:47:31.240 --> 00:47:33.120 All excluding trip funding. 00:47:33.120 --> 00:47:34.600 All excluding trip funding. 00:47:34.600 --> 00:47:37.160 Oh, you wanted wrap boxes, right? 00:47:37.160 --> 00:47:38.760 Yeah, and wrap boxes. 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.880 Oh, and adding wrap. 00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:41.880 Keep wrap boxes. 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.660 Keeping trip funding and wrap boxes. 00:47:43.660 --> 00:47:45.680 Keeping trip funding and wrap boxes. 00:47:45.680 --> 00:47:46.680 Okay. 00:47:46.680 --> 00:47:47.680 Are we all in agreement? 00:47:47.680 --> 00:47:48.680 Yes. 00:47:48.680 --> 00:47:49.680 All right. 00:47:49.680 --> 00:47:50.680 So the ayes have it. 00:47:50.680 --> 00:47:51.680 Raise your hand. 00:47:51.680 --> 00:47:52.680 Okay. 00:47:52.680 --> 00:47:53.680 That was kind of out of order, but we agree. 00:47:53.680 --> 00:47:54.680 Okay. 00:47:54.680 --> 00:48:00.160 Well, if there's not anything else, we'll move on to concluding items. 00:48:00.160 --> 00:48:01.160 Any concluding items? 00:48:01.160 --> 00:48:03.280 Yes, we have a concluding item. 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:07.640 So this morning, Chandra, traffic engineer, wave your hand. 00:48:07.640 --> 00:48:12.040 He joined the Newton Razor bike bus this morning on a ride along. 00:48:12.040 --> 00:48:15.640 So I just wanted to say thank you to Chandra for being responsive to them and listening 00:48:15.640 --> 00:48:19.600 to their concerns so that the kids can use active transportation to get to school. 00:48:19.600 --> 00:48:22.440 So I really appreciate that, Chandra. 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:23.440 Thank you. 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:24.440 Anyone else? 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:25.440 Did he get bubbles in his face? 00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:26.440 Yes. 00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:28.440 He had to go through the bubble bath. 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.440 All right. 00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:36.560 Well, if there's anything additional to that, we will conclude at 1048 this morning. 00:48:36.560 --> 00:48:39.560 Thank you all.