1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,600 Meeting Wednesday, November 20, 2024, 10 a.m. in our council work session room. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:20,720 We, after determining that a quorum is present, the mobility committee, we're going to convene 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,920 for a regular meeting here. 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,920 So we're going to move on. 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,120 First item of business, citizens' comment on agenda items. 6 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,600 I do have a card for a request to speak. 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:41,240 We're going to ask the gentleman to come up, and right now, Mr. Charles Patrick Lee to 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,080 come up and make his statement. 9 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,760 Yes, how are you doing? 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:54,640 My name is Charles Patrick Lee, and the topic I want to speak on today on the agenda is 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,680 about the bike racks. 12 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,560 I don't really think they're a good waste of taxpayer money, because most people don't 13 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,560 ride bicycles. 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Most people drive cars, and people aren't going to give up their cars to ride a bicycle. 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:14,280 And because of all the taxes going up, I don't believe it's a very good stewardship of taxpayer 16 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,120 funds and all this effort we're going into these electric vehicles. 17 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,480 I'm sorry, people are not giving up their cars for electric vehicles, because as far 18 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:30,520 as I'm concerned, they take too long to charge, and it's not inconvenient, because every time 19 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,480 I went to the gas station, it never took me more than 15 minutes to charge up. 20 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,520 Never more than 15 minutes. 21 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,600 And expect people to get an electric car. 22 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:45,000 As far as my opinion, it is nothing more than an electric golf cart, because once the battery 23 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,360 goes, then the car goes, and then you just have a cart, and I'm sorry, nobody's giving 24 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,160 up their car for an electric vehicle. 25 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,320 They can't even sell them, nobody likes them, and I don't know why you guys keep trying 26 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,320 to push this on people. 27 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,360 It's not a good stewardship, and it's not a good idea. 28 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,480 Thank you very much, and have a nice day. 29 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,440 Thank you. 30 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Moving on to the second item for these items for individual consideration, AMC 24-038. 31 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Consider approval of the minutes from October 30th. 32 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,360 You all added up, oh, good morning. 33 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,840 We have another member that has joined us. 34 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Do you all have, can we get a motion for approval? 35 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,020 I'll motion to approve the minutes from the last meeting. 36 00:02:35,020 --> 00:02:36,840 So it's been moved to second it. 37 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,840 Did anybody have any discussion or anything for the minutes? 38 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,120 All right, so let's vote, saying if you're approved, say aye. 39 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Aye. 40 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,440 All right, so the ayes have it. 41 00:02:49,440 --> 00:03:00,040 Move on to B, MC 24-039, receive a report, hold a discussion, and approve the 2025 Mobility 42 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,760 Committee meeting schedule. 43 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Good morning. 44 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Good morning. 45 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,160 I wanted to present the 2025 meeting schedule. 46 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,160 No major changes. 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,320 We did go ahead and move the meetings in November and December since they were scheduled for 48 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,320 holidays. 49 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,640 We moved them to the week earlier. 50 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:22,120 But still, last Wednesday of every month at 10 a.m. 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,120 Is there any discussion? 52 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,920 Is there anything that we, yes, yes, sir? 53 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:31,580 I don't generally have a problem with the schedule, but one thing that I found effective 54 00:03:31,580 --> 00:03:37,280 last time we did the scheduling was to note which Tuesdays were going to be canceled. 55 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,920 Do we have a feel for which Tuesdays are canceled in 2025? 56 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Because I just don't remember it off the top of my head. 57 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,880 I don't know it off the top of my head, but we can certainly provide that. 58 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:54,000 Only in the sense that it might, you know, it's better for us to meet before council 59 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 rather than after council. 60 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Yeah. 61 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,520 I mean, but our date is going to stay the same, regardless. 62 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,520 Only in March. 63 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,680 We're meeting the day after a council meeting. 64 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,880 Okay, pretty much in March. 65 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:07,880 Okay. 66 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:13,440 Because sometimes those council meetings can run a little longer than we would like. 67 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,240 So I think that's one of the things that helped us when we made a decision to move it, you 68 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,200 know, back to 10 o'clock because it was pretty tough getting here, you know, at 8 o'clock. 69 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,680 That was pretty rough. 70 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,280 So thank you all, City of Denton, for allowing us to do that. 71 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:31,280 Anything else? 72 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:32,280 All right. 73 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,960 Are there any actions on this, Chair? 74 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:35,960 Just approval. 75 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,960 Do we need to vote on approval? 76 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:37,960 No. 77 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:38,960 Okay. 78 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:39,960 So we're going to take this to a vote. 79 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:40,960 Can we get a motion for approval? 80 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,960 I move approval. 81 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:43,960 Okay. 82 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:44,960 Discussion? 83 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,040 Any other additional discussion? 84 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,040 All right. 85 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,120 So raise your hand if you agree. 86 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,760 Are there any anyone in opposition? 87 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,280 All right. 88 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:55,280 So that is loop. 89 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,240 You said two things. 90 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,240 Okay. 91 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,680 So I don't know where my head went. 92 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Sorry. 93 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,440 Can we get hands for agreement? 94 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,440 Okay. 95 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:05,440 All right. 96 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,920 So we're going to have approved it. 97 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:07,920 Thank you. 98 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:16,840 CMC 24-040, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding a pilot project for a golf cart 99 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:24,040 operations in the southern sector of razor wrench development off of US 380, requested 100 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:35,600 by the Embassy Suites Hotel utilizing private driveways. 101 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,640 Good morning, Chair and Commissioners. 102 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,280 My name is Sahar Svandiyari. 103 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:44,720 I am a senior transportation planner with Transportation Services Department. 104 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,040 This morning, I would like to talk to you about a pilot project for using golf carts 105 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:58,400 in razor wrench development requested by Embassy Suites. 106 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:05,560 So as you know, Embassy Suites is one of the biggest hotels in the area, and also the future 107 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:11,760 City of Denton Convention Center is going to be located in very close distance and adjacent 108 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,400 to this property. 109 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:19,420 So they are requesting to have a permit to use golf carts to provide a convenience shuttle 110 00:06:19,420 --> 00:06:26,120 service for their guests and City of Denton visitors to go to the restaurants or shopping 111 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,520 centers in the southern section of razor wrench. 112 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,480 As you can see in this map, it is shaded in darker gray. 113 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Under Texas Department of Transportation code, it is allowed that they use the golf carts 114 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,560 within the master plan communities such as razor wrench. 115 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:52,720 Also the same code in another section mentioned that the City Council or the local government 116 00:06:52,720 --> 00:07:00,240 has the authority to regulate this use of the golf carts concerning about the safety 117 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,720 issues. 118 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:11,120 So staff from a technical perspective have proposed some conditions and restrictions. 119 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:16,440 First of all, this should be a pilot program for 24 months. 120 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,960 The reason that we are asking for 24 months is that we are in Texas and we have some off 121 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:28,280 seasons such as hot summers and cold winters, and through the 24 months we can gather enough 122 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:35,160 information and data, especially from the safety perspective and police feedback about 123 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,000 how these golf carts can safely operate in these roads. 124 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,840 So after that, we are going to make the decision if we want them to continue using that or 125 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,120 not. 126 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,480 Also there are some other restrictions that we are proposing. 127 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:55,760 First, the Texas transportation code, which are the basic rules that they have to follow. 128 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:02,160 Second, we are proposing some operational restrictions such as the minimum age of the 129 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,680 licensed drivers should be at least 18 years old. 130 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:12,360 Also the time of the operation should be only between 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. to address the concerns 131 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:19,260 about the safety of the late night driving these golf carts around the area. 132 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:22,840 Also we have some road use restrictions. 133 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,240 As you can see in this map, the roads that are shown as red lines, they are all city 134 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:34,320 or Texas-owned roads, and they are not allowed to operate golf carts on these roads. 135 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:41,880 They only can operate golf carts on the roads that are shown as green line, and these roads 136 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:47,520 are owned by Razor Ranch. 137 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,660 We also add another safety layer to this request. 138 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:55,980 We are going to request for issuing a permit. 139 00:08:55,980 --> 00:09:03,440 All the golf carts and along with the approved list of operators should have a valid permit. 140 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,760 This permit is going to be valid only for 24 months, and they have to apply for renewal 141 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:09,960 after that. 142 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,120 And this permit can be revoked at any time if they cannot meet the conditions that we 143 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,920 are asking. 144 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:22,360 So this opportunity that has been brought up by the embassy suite has some benefits. 145 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,320 Especially they are going to improve access for their guests and the city of Denton visitors 146 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:33,320 to provide them the shuttle from point A to point B with the restriction that we are going 147 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,720 to ask to follow. 148 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:45,080 Also it's a very clean and emission zero modes of transportation that they are asking to 149 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,220 have, also it has the community appeal. 150 00:09:50,220 --> 00:09:53,320 So staff recommends approval of this request. 151 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,440 We are also looking for the mobility committee support, and we are going to present this 152 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,240 to the city council for action later. 153 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,240 Thank you. 154 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,240 >> Okay. 155 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,240 Thank you very much. 156 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,240 Great presentation. 157 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,240 Yes, sir. 158 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,240 Dr. Beck. 159 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,240 >> Thank you. 160 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:20,680 Dr. Esfandari, the issue, not the issue, one of the concerns that was brought up in 161 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:26,280 previous councils is sort of the safety aspects, and you brought that up with all the additional 162 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,760 mirrors and licensing and breaking and all that. 163 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:37,480 But I wonder if the solution for a restricted area like we're talking about that's not going 164 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:44,920 to cross over highways and primary arterials isn't petty cabs? 165 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,960 Because those are already -- I believe they're already street legal in Denton, and you can 166 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:49,960 correct me on that. 167 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,400 I don't know if you need special chauffeur license like you do in Austin, but aren't 168 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,000 they already legal and they wouldn't require us to do anything and you would be able to 169 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,560 move over the same four or five streets that were in the proposal? 170 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:12,360 >> So as I mentioned, the Texas Department of -- the code of Texas transportation code, 171 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,360 they're allowed. 172 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,160 But we can regulate that. 173 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,880 >> The golf carts are allowed, but I'm talking about bike cabs. 174 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,880 >> Bike cabs. 175 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,040 Oh, that's different. 176 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:32,960 >> So I'm saying is it not a easier and already allowed alternative to just have bike cabs 177 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,920 for the same small thing and it makes us cute and quirky and I know not everyone wants to 178 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,880 have a bike cab, but at the same token, it's an open air cab. 179 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,840 Both of them are open air cabs. 180 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,280 >> I mean, we can definitely talk to embassy suites about this. 181 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,840 This was an idea that they brought to us about the golf carts specifically. 182 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:02,240 They would like to use golf carts, and so we were trying to -- Farhan and Sahar and 183 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:08,200 Chandra came up with this pilot program idea to see if it would even work. 184 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,200 But we can talk to them. 185 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:15,200 I think their kind of proposal is that their staff are going to be operating these, and 186 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:22,880 so I'm not sure how that would work as far as, you know, from their staff perspective, 187 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,800 but we can certainly talk to them. 188 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:32,240 >> I would love that because I would be -- if there were opportunities for non-emitted vehicles. 189 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,520 I know most of these golf carts are battery, but -- or at least I'm going to guess that 190 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,880 they're probably using battery-based golf carts. 191 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,480 >> There's a gas base. 192 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:50,200 >> There are -- look, there are lots of gas ones, but I think there's an opportunity here 193 00:12:50,200 --> 00:13:02,080 to reduce VMT even further, and emissions even further, and enhance bike/pet infrastructure 194 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:09,200 even further in order to get, you know, sort of grease the skids a little bit for the actual 195 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,800 golf carts. 196 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,280 >> Okay. 197 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:13,280 >> That's my comments. 198 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,280 >> All right. 199 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,280 Thank you. 200 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Suzie? 201 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,280 >> Thank you. 202 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,920 >> They could already do this, and we're just trying to alleviate safety concerns? 203 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:23,920 Is that correct? 204 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,160 Like, they could do this on their private streets already, or does it have to be approved 205 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,240 by the city before they can do that? 206 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:39,960 >> I think the police can stop them, and -- but with the regulations, we are going to frame 207 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:40,960 these operations. 208 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:41,960 >> Okay. 209 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:47,400 Okay, and so does Robeson Ranch have some approval from the city as well? 210 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:53,960 >> We're a master plan community, so I don't know. 211 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,120 >> He's going to have to go in. 212 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,120 >> Sure. 213 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,120 Officer Jared Ray is here to answer these questions. 214 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,120 >> How are you guys? 215 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,120 >> We're good. 216 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,120 >> All right. 217 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Sorry I got brought into this, but -- 218 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,120 [ Laughter ] 219 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,560 >> I'm Sergeant Ray with Denton Police Department. 220 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:07,560 I work in our day shift. 221 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:09,640 I'm our day shift traffic sergeant. 222 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:15,720 So the golf cart thing becomes kind of a big deal, right? 223 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,180 Whenever we had the conversation, I was completely against it, right? 224 00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:24,400 But with -- I think with some different rules in place, I think we could work some different 225 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,940 angles, right? 226 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:28,720 Razor Ranch is a master plan community, right? 227 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,920 So by Texas transportation code, there's three times, right? 228 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:37,440 So in a master plan community, on a public or private beach, and then as well as five 229 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:43,240 miles to or from a golf course, with the intent, if you read it, by your golfing, right? 230 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,240 >> Right. 231 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,080 >> Not I'm just going to go drive around, it's to or from. 232 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,960 So we only have two golf courses that I'm aware of in Denton. 233 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,640 One is a nine hole, and then you have Robinson Ranch. 234 00:14:53,640 --> 00:15:00,120 So saying all that, we can't enforce anything on private property if you don't know it, 235 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,120 right? 236 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,520 So if someone runs a SOPS on in front of me, I'll just wave. 237 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,520 Can't run them a ticket, right? 238 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,600 Can't do anything. 239 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,600 So now if we think they're drunk, and then we can stop them for reasonable suspicion of 240 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,060 being intoxicated. 241 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:20,560 So saying all that, you know, so to answer your question, if they want to do it, technically, 242 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,560 they could, right? 243 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,340 Once they go to the frontage road, we've got them. 244 00:15:25,340 --> 00:15:27,980 Once they go to Panhandle, got them, right? 245 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:31,160 Because now they're on a public highway, right? 246 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:36,080 So but on private roads, we can't do anything. 247 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,280 So if you have some type of restrictions in place, then it kind of helps things, right? 248 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,680 If that answers the question. 249 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,680 >> I think so. 250 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,840 So the goal here is just to make it safer, is what I'm understanding. 251 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,760 >> 100% to make it safer, right? 252 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:57,440 So whenever I explained it to them, you know, so whenever I'm lucky and I get to ride on 253 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:02,480 our motorcycle, you know, for work, it's legal, right? 254 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,320 No matter where I drive, not because I'm a police, because I have a motorcycle license 255 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,020 and because I'm registered, because it's insured, right? 256 00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:10,440 So it's a little bit different, right? 257 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,980 On a bicycle, you know, a lot of people aren't looking at golf carts. 258 00:16:14,980 --> 00:16:19,560 And so it changes things, right? 259 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:25,760 You know, we've had issues with Robinson Ranch on making arrests for DWI on golf carts. 260 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,760 And they were really surprised whenever we worked their crash and then we're arresting 261 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:30,760 them, right? 262 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,960 Been there, done it. 263 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,360 So we want it to be safe, right? 264 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,960 So if you have an age, if you make sure that it has mirrors, turn signals, brake lights, 265 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:41,960 right? 266 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,480 Extra lighting, whatever, because the last thing we want is now we're working a bad crash, 267 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:46,480 right? 268 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,880 So if you put some other restrictions there, and that's what they're shooting for. 269 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:50,880 >> Okay. 270 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:51,880 >> Okay. 271 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:52,880 >> Scott, did you have something? 272 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:53,880 >> Thank you. 273 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:54,880 >> Okay. 274 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,280 >> I don't have any comments, but I'll let Scott keep. 275 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:03,440 >> Well, I just, just to add into this kind of twofold, they absolutely want to be safe. 276 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,080 They want to maintain the staff that they have utilizing the carts that way they're, 277 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:12,040 you know, we'll have each of the licensed operators identified as to who that's going 278 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,040 to be. 279 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,000 An important piece for them is that their guests, if they get in, you know, first thing 280 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,120 they identify that, you know, they need some shampoo or something, they can run to the 281 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:25,560 new Target store, get some shampoo, take them back, or shuttle them to and from some of 282 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,360 the restaurants. 283 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:33,760 Just an antithetical piece of this is that that hotel, the Hotel and Convention Center 284 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,720 is a lead hotel. 285 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,120 They put a lot of time and energy to be energy efficient, sorry about that, double energy, 286 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:48,560 but they went through, I guess it was two years ago, and put all solar in there as well. 287 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:55,040 This year, they worked on putting in ZeroScape, so they're incredibly environmentally focused, 288 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:00,640 and so I can appreciate the option on a bike cart, which I'll ultimately suggest that 289 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,000 if they can offer that service as well. 290 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,200 They were just looking for a convenient means to get their guests from point A to point 291 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,360 B, and again, I think it's a benefit to those people that are visiting Denton that, you 292 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:17,040 know, some opportunity to go and see some of these things. 293 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:22,240 They don't really have the ability to do it today, and then through Sahara's collaboration 294 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,720 with Denton Police Department and some of the other parameters that we can put in there, 295 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,520 we can make a safe and responsible way to be able to try to accommodate this, and again, 296 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,120 a pilot program then just puts barriers on it to say, "Hey, we're going to give this 297 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:39,520 an opportunity if it becomes a problem, we won't renew." 298 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,520 Thank you. 299 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,520 Thank you. 300 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,760 I really like the idea of this. 301 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,120 It would certainly be overkill, I think, to get in a full-sized, full-powered gas vehicle 302 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:52,720 to drive, you know, two blocks away, so I like this from not just all the benefits that 303 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,320 were listed on the slide, but also the safety standpoint, so as somebody who's sometimes 304 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,160 in this area on a bicycle, golf carts are slower. 305 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,240 They're less noisy. 306 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,280 They're less danger to me or, you know, people that live in South Razor Ranch. 307 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,440 One nice thing about golf carts over something like a pedicab is that you can put these covers 308 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,960 on them, so if it is a little cold outside, it kind of can keep you drier, and if the 309 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,680 wind is really chilly, kind of like it is today, it keeps it a little warmer, so I mean, 310 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,680 I like this idea. 311 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:22,680 I appreciate it. 312 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,680 It's a pilot. 313 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,960 I appreciate all of the requirements that have been added in, so, I mean, I support 314 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:28,960 this. 315 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:29,960 Thank you. 316 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:30,960 Yeah. 317 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Go ahead. 318 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:32,960 Yeah. 319 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,880 One thing that I would just maybe like to see out of this, I don't ... There's not like 320 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:41,600 a little pings of all of the destinations listed, but there are the Route 7 bus stops 321 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,160 right nearby, so if maybe they want to connect into that so that people staying there can 322 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,920 just take the bus downtown, I think that would be neat. 323 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,920 That's a great idea. 324 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,920 I like that. 325 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,040 Well, I appreciate it. 326 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:01,280 I just want to say what she said, so, you know, all of those things, but, you know, 327 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:09,000 so we're looking forward to some additional growth over in there between the big box stores 328 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,900 and the movie theater, you know, there's still that space, so, and they'll have to get around 329 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:20,760 that in some kind of way, so that'll be great from that perspective as well, so, yeah. 330 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,760 Go for it. 331 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,760 I think it's a great idea. 332 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,760 Do we need to do ... Provide direction. 333 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,760 Okay, so we're providing direction. 334 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,560 We just need direction, and we'll bring it to council for action. 335 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,960 I think we're all in it. 336 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,960 Thank you. 337 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,520 Thank you. 338 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:41,920 Okay, so we are, and also that question about who was going to be running it, you know, 339 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:48,320 that was one of my questions, and we found that out. 340 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,200 DMC 24-041, staff memorandums. 341 00:20:53,200 --> 00:21:13,840 So, I don't know if you want to go through each individual item, or if you have specific 342 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,840 questions. 343 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:22,680 I know this was a pretty lengthy memo with all of the exhibit backups, but happy to take 344 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:23,680 it anyway. 345 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,680 Okay. 346 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,560 Well, what I'll do is I'll just ask if anyone ... I like to go through each one, and just 347 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:35,280 ask if anyone, to keep order, ask if anybody has any additional questions, comments, or 348 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,200 concerns about bike racks. 349 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Yes, Dr. Beck. 350 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:45,720 There was some of the comments in the item, was it exhibit two? 351 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:55,240 They were asking for options, and to the extent that we have funding and can schedule it in, 352 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,000 all those options will promote the use of bike racks, so I'm supportive of all those 353 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,160 options to the extent that we can plan and schedule, and there's funding. 354 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:11,360 So, right now, the plan is to put a supplemental request in the FY26 budget for this pilot 355 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:17,160 program for council consideration, so that ... Because currently, transportation planning 356 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,080 does not have the funding available to do this, however, we're going to request that 357 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:27,800 supplemental in the next budget, and then we can ... If it's approved, we'll begin the 358 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:28,800 pilot. 359 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:34,200 Well, then just only because I still have the floor, then I would ask that we perhaps 360 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,120 bring a 2025 supplemental, at least for the bike racks themselves, without the options, 361 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:45,760 because that's your mission critical item, is the actual bike rack, and the options for 362 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,720 signage and everything else can be developed over time. 363 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:56,720 What was it, signage, shade, I can't remember, there's two others, solar lighting, all those 364 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,800 things are awesome, I like them, but they're not mission critical, the racks themselves 365 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:08,200 are the things that draw people to the square and promote transitional mobility. 366 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,960 So I would just say we're in the FY25 budget right now, so this would require a budget 367 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:21,760 amendment, which we would have to basically prove the emergency need for an amendment 368 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,520 of the existing budget, because traffic is in general fund. 369 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,960 So we'll look at budget options and see what we can do in the meantime, but the earliest 370 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,760 opportunity is 26. 371 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,600 Just normal opportunity, right, in our normal process. 372 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:46,120 I appreciate that, I understand that I'm only one voice on this committee, so I don't want 373 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:49,520 to dominate, so I'd love to hear other people's views on that. 374 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,440 Suzy, did you have a view on that? 375 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,320 Would you? 376 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:05,880 I'll second what Council Member Beck said about, the goal here right now is the bike 377 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,360 racks, not necessarily everything else, we can look at that at another time. 378 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:14,080 Yes, it makes it more usable, people are more likely to use them, but we have places in 379 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,240 town where there's zero bike racks, so if I want to bike there instead of drive there 380 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,120 and maybe free up a parking space for somebody else by biking instead of driving, it's hard 381 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,320 to bike there if I don't have anywhere to lock my bike, I don't want my bike to get 382 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,320 stolen. 383 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:34,600 So my primary interest continues to be especially existing businesses and strip mall type places, 384 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,560 so Kroger has a bike rack, but it's falling apart, I keep hearing of bikes getting stolen 385 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,840 from it, El Matador doesn't have a bike rack, like there's pizza places, donut places, I 386 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,960 can't lock my bike anywhere, so I either have to take it inside, which is really awkward, 387 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,320 or I have to risk my bike being stolen, or I have to drive and take up an entire parking 388 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,320 space. 389 00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:04,800 So as long as this includes possibly the opportunity for a business to maybe get a discounted bike 390 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,520 rack that the city installs for them, which just takes out the complications of figuring 391 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,560 out how do I install this, what kind of rack do I do, to some sort of pilot program where 392 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,720 a business, especially a small business if we can sort of restrict that, can request 393 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,040 one and the city sort of navigates them through that, so that we're not just looking at places 394 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,960 that already have some bike parking. 395 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,000 So for I Street downtown already have some bike parking, yes there's places there that 396 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,040 need more, but my priority is primarily the places that have no bike parking, and I'm 397 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,560 okay with waiting until the next regular budget for that. 398 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:42,680 That gives staff more time also to piece stuff together, how they're going to do it. 399 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:49,600 Did you have a comment, you don't get? 400 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:57,560 I think that I would want to wait to allow the staff to pull everything together for 401 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:05,760 us and give us a bit more information, apparently we need more information, and that's just 402 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,760 my statement. 403 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,080 All right, let's move on to construction signage, block it, anybody have anything on construction 404 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:18,680 signage, block it, roll that one up, oh she's going to go and roll it up for us, blocking 405 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:26,360 signage, blocking pedestrians, I know that we were, had a few complaints about the signs 406 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:32,760 being on the sidewalks, how are we, you know, just generally speaking, how are we kind of 407 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,760 dealing with that? 408 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,760 Are we speaking to the supervisors of the people or how's that going to work? 409 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,800 Yeah, I think we're working with our contractors, because a lot of these are not our crews, 410 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,360 but they're contracted, so we've been specifically working with our contractors to make sure 411 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:52,000 that they're placing the signage in appropriate locations. 412 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,480 I did want to let the committee know we actually received an email about, I think it was Bell 413 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,480 Avenue where we had a contractor working and they did place the signage in the appropriate 414 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:07,040 location and someone noticed, so I think we're, it's working. 415 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:13,200 It works, it works, and so we're also going to encourage our community to use the Engaged 416 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,960 in NAP if they see something like that, that can just turn it in and that's a quick way 417 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:26,120 to, a quicker way to get something done about what you see, yes, Christine? 418 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:31,800 I'll just comment, I guess, too, that I've seen recently, the bridge on 380 over kind 419 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,960 of that mingo train yard, they have some signs on their sidewalk when you're headed east 420 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,120 and it's quite a skinny sidewalk, so they take up the entire sidewalk. 421 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:47,840 And then I'm not sure if this qualifies, but on the bridge south of McKinney on 288, there's 422 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:54,240 a bunch of barrels on one side of the sidewalk and it's, the barrels are not taking up the 423 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,920 entire sidewalk, but they're taking up the sidewalk away from the road, and so you're 424 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,600 forced to kind of walk directly next to the road rather than if they were on the other 425 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,280 side and you could, oh, what was that location again? 426 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:11,720 Yes, on, there's the bridge if you're going south, on 288 south from McKinney. 427 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,720 Okay. 428 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,400 Okay, I know where that is. 429 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,440 All right, anything else on that? 430 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,680 All right, yes, one more thing? 431 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,680 Okay. 432 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,280 But yeah, I do want to say again that I have noticed that it has improved since I asked 433 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,400 for a meeting a couple years ago. 434 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,680 On the note of 380, that made me think, so if it's a tex dot roadway, do we have people 435 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,440 going out inspecting those or is that all tex dot at that point? 436 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,920 So the sign on 380, which actually a woman was killed on her bicycle there about a year 437 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,600 ago at that exact location where the sidewalk is blocked, but that, 380 is a tex dot road. 438 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,160 Yeah, it would be tex dot projects, so they would be responsible. 439 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,160 Okay. 440 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,000 I'd have to be notified. 441 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,940 And then, thanks to everybody who answered my written questions by the way, but in one 442 00:29:02,940 --> 00:29:11,960 of the answers, it says once construction is approved to be started, so like in my neighborhood, 443 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,200 there's signage out and it's been out for two, three weeks at this point and there's 444 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,440 not any active construction happening yet. 445 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,120 Was the signage placed after construction was approved to start? 446 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:32,440 Like kind of at what phase does all that stuff get placed is sort of what I'm asking. 447 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,440 This guy knows everything. 448 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,760 Yeah, so good morning committee members, Seth Garcia, Deputy Director of Capital Projects. 449 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,680 Can you be a little more specific on the neighborhood? 450 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,120 Yes, it's off of Malone, we'll say. 451 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,120 Off of Malone, okay. 452 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,120 Malone Street. 453 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,780 It's neighborhood 26 or whatever, if you want the bonds number. 454 00:29:49,780 --> 00:29:51,280 That's perfect for what I need. 455 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,280 Yeah. 456 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Typically, as we run through signs, traffic control plans, and especially the neighborhood 457 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,400 signs that talk about the name of the project are some of the first submittals that we get 458 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,400 in. 459 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Again, those are typically quick turnarounds to where the contractor will receive those 460 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,160 back and go ahead and start implementing the traffic control. 461 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,840 Those should be followed up with the door hangers giving notice to residents that, hey, 462 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,840 construction's coming. 463 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,840 This is the first phase. 464 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,160 We're going to be impacting driveways or you're going to just have local access. 465 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,920 So again, we try to get those out as fast as possible to get the local traffic used 466 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,040 to seeing, hey, signage is out here, it's actually coming. 467 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,680 Again, until the contractor gets all submittals approved for materials, materials get ordered 468 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,640 and arrive on the job site, that's when you'll actually see it. 469 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,280 So it could vary from one week to hopefully not more than a month. 470 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,440 We don't want to get them out there too long in advance, but again, it is kind of a prior 471 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:53,600 warning to let folks know, hey, we're beginning to come and signage is going up. 472 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,040 So following up on that, if signage and traffic controls have been placed and there's not 473 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:05,760 active construction at that specific location yet, is that getting the daily inspections 474 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,160 for the traffic control signage? 475 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,160 Yes, absolutely. 476 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,680 And again, it's going to be done by two different parties. 477 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,920 So the contractor's responsible for doing kind of a daily drive through and they're 478 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,120 correcting issues. 479 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,400 We also have our public works inspection staff or our contracted consultants that are going 480 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920 through and checking those items as well. 481 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,120 So typically contractor will check it in the morning, our personnel and staff will check 482 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,320 it as they're checking the various phases of the job. 483 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,000 So hopefully it should be getting hit twice a day. 484 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,520 If not, like Council Member Byrd said, engaged it and this is a great way to notify or there 485 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,200 is a phone number on all of those door hangers that will have direct contacts to the inspector 486 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,400 and the contractor if you see traffic control issues. 487 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,400 Thank you. 488 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,400 Yeah. 489 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,400 Thank you. 490 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,400 All right. 491 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Where is Jeff? 492 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,400 Oh, you moved him up. 493 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400 I didn't even look up. 494 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,640 And what about the crossing concerns between Ryan and Dollar General and six month follow 495 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,640 up? 496 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,640 Anybody have anything on that? 497 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,640 All right. 498 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,640 We'll move on. 499 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,120 DCTA trip funding project status. 500 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,120 Any? 501 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,680 Christine, do you have anything about that? 502 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,480 Susie, you have something and I asked for more information on this in the future and I'm 503 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,520 just going to confirm verbally that we will get more information in the future on these 504 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,000 items, especially the ones that haven't been completed yet. 505 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:32,400 Yes, we are going to add it to a future agenda for our work session presentation so we can 506 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,000 have more discussion. 507 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:41,200 But we did provide that I did verify with staff that there was only one project that 508 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,760 had maybe a little different scope because I know you had asked that question. 509 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,240 The Katie trail extension at May Hill in Colorado, that scope changed slightly from when we applied 510 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,320 to now proceeding with the project. 511 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,800 So the staff will come back with a presentation to provide you. 512 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,800 Thank you. 513 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,800 Thank you. 514 00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,800 Dr. Bay. 515 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,800 Mine was the same. 516 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,280 I'll just add the commending for adding the status and everything else. 517 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,400 I appreciate the current and ongoing information, but otherwise my question was the same. 518 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,400 All right. 519 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,400 Thank you. 520 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:23,720 Increasing sensitivity for bicycle sensors, increasing sensitivity for bicycle. 521 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,800 Bike detection that can howling. 522 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800 Yes. 523 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,000 Either I'm getting a placebo effect or I'm already noticing the effects. 524 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,800 Yesterday I was headed to the square. 525 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:44,440 I was crossing Crescent or crossing Carol at Crescent and typically that light has not 526 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,440 noticed me. 527 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,360 I've had to wait for a car to pull up and then ride with the car. 528 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,000 But it did work last night. 529 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,600 So maybe that's related to this. 530 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,400 If so, good job. 531 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,680 Well, James Andrews staff do a fantastic job. 532 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,240 He's over there in the corner trying to hide, but he takes care of those things very promptly. 533 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,240 So thank you. 534 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,040 Thank you so much. 535 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:14,240 I probably would not have ever experienced that because I'm not a typical bike rider. 536 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,760 So we certainly do appreciate that and giving that opportunity for bike riders. 537 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:18,760 Okay. 538 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,760 Quickly. 539 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,760 We got something. 540 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,640 Traffic signal at sundown in Teasley. 541 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080 Is there any questions or concerns? 542 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,880 Yes. 543 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,480 It's exciting that that is happening in house and it's happening much faster. 544 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,480 That's really good to see. 545 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,480 Yes. 546 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,480 Yes. 547 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:40,000 That area has just grown so tremendously, very quickly. 548 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,520 What about the wrapped equipment box locations? 549 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:48,600 Anybody have any additional questions about the wrapped? 550 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,600 Do you all do Christmas? 551 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,920 Do you all go with the seasons? 552 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,200 Are there any opportunities for us to look at seasonal? 553 00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:01,280 Well, I mean, these seasonal ones don't have to be necessarily that permanent, do they? 554 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,640 Just asking for a friend. 555 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,640 Really. 556 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,120 Let me ask it as a question then if I might. 557 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,120 Yes. 558 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,120 Aren't they permanent? 559 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,120 Yeah, they're permanent. 560 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,120 Until they're damaged? 561 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,120 Yeah. 562 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:17,880 So I guess Halloween town might be good for permanence, but the rest I don't know. 563 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,080 Well, it was just a question. 564 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,560 Thank you for allowing me to ask it. 565 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,560 Okay. 566 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,560 Quarterly construction report. 567 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,560 Let's see. 568 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:31,400 Let's see what's going on in the quarterly construction report. 569 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,880 Is there any questions, Rosaline, I-35, Bonnie Bray? 570 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,000 We don't have any questions, comments or concerns? 571 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000 This will work. 572 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Is everybody okay? 573 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000 What's this? 574 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,000 You do have one. 575 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000 Yeah. 576 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:52,040 I appreciate the McKinney planning, but I noticed in the ETAs that we're really not 577 00:35:52,040 --> 00:36:00,080 going to get started after design until Q3 of '25, so that's a fair bit of time between 578 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,960 now and then and we've already had one major incident in that stretch. 579 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:13,240 And so I guess my question is what's our transitional plan for that stretch so we avoid more catastrophic 580 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:14,240 events? 581 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,240 Yeah, absolutely. 582 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,960 So again, Seth Garcia, Deputy Director of Capital Projects. 583 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,000 So we're looking at some alternative items that we can do in the interim. 584 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,640 Again, we're expecting the revised 30% drawings in January. 585 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120 We're trying to expedite as quick as possible. 586 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,480 Again, we were able to cut a lot of the timeframe in between designing construction due to not 587 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,320 having to potentially do utility relocations. 588 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:45,520 So again, that's something that we're currently evaluating, what we can do in the interim. 589 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,040 That Q3 seems like a long time's out there following our procurement process and having 590 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,160 to bid this project. 591 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,160 We're looking at that. 592 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,320 We may also leverage an internal City of Denton contract to be able to build pieces of the 593 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,320 sidewalk. 594 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,800 Again, where we're going to come into the biggest issue is the main creek crossing near 595 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,360 Mack Park where we're looking at either pedestrian bridge or culvert extensions. 596 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:15,880 We don't necessarily have in place a great contract to do that, like a city standby contract. 597 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,400 So again, that may add some time and again, that's one of the biggest bottlenecks areas 598 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,160 where we're looking for some not so great interim improvements. 599 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,040 There's not a lot of options, I should say. 600 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,040 Okay. 601 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:45,320 Well, I mean, I guess I will continue to put some emphasis and desire on even speculative 602 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:53,240 transitional approaches just because, I mean, you know, we've already had a catastrophic 603 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,320 event and we want to avoid having more catastrophic events. 604 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,320 Yeah. 605 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,320 No, completely understand. 606 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,720 And again, we're evaluating and anything innovative that we can come up with, we're going to try 607 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:07,160 and implement quickly. 608 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,280 Any additional thoughts? 609 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,280 Yes. 610 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,360 Thanks again for everybody who answered my written question. 611 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,320 So now that I understand why certain projects are included and others not, can we add the 612 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,040 Welch-Sycamore side path project to this? 613 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,040 Okay. 614 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,760 Because I've struggled to follow the updates on that. 615 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,120 They've just kind of been really far between, so that would be helpful. 616 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,120 Yep, absolutely. 617 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,840 Thank you. 618 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,160 Yes. 619 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,760 When you talk about the creek crossing segment, is that the portion that's like right near 620 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,120 the substation? 621 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:45,160 No, so there's already box culverts that allow for the sidewalk next to the road there. 622 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:51,840 It's actually just west of Mack Park or the west side of the Mack Park boundary. 623 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,080 On the north side, I think it's Dollar General. 624 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,760 On the south side, it's the apartment complex. 625 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,760 Right, right. 626 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,760 That little creek right there. 627 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,760 Correct. 628 00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,760 Okay. 629 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,960 So that just, to me, that seems like an area where there's those really, really wide shoulders. 630 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,280 So for something transitional or temporary, there could be something done there. 631 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,280 Yeah. 632 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,280 No, completely agree. 633 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,080 And that is what we're evaluating. 634 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,160 Well, I want to speak on McKinney sidewalk. 635 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:26,040 I think that you all are doing a great job, first of all, in accommodating our need for 636 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,160 speed. 637 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:38,160 And I don't want to have you all to, this is just me speaking, not speaking for anybody 638 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,160 else. 639 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:46,680 I don't want you all to be in a state of mind that this is like the top number one priority. 640 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,040 We do have to give you all time. 641 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,240 Dr. Bick, respectfully speaking, it sounds like you're looking for an interim while they're 642 00:39:55,240 --> 00:40:01,680 working on the interim because the main, the sidewalk is the interim. 643 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,320 And the main course is going to come when the funding comes where we can really do that 644 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,320 street properly. 645 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,320 Is that right? 646 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,320 Is that what I'm understanding right now? 647 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,320 Yes. 648 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,040 Is that the sidewalk is the interim. 649 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,880 And I think Dr. Beck is looking for an interim to the sidewalks. 650 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,880 So that's what I heard. 651 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,040 I'll let you speak to that in just a second. 652 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,160 But it just seems like there's, you know, that mindset there. 653 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,400 Yeah, and it's very much needed. 654 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,200 We should have done, we should have had McKinney Street done, especially if we had known several 655 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,320 years ahead that we were going to add some additional population to that street, like 656 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,440 five more apartment complexes and neighborhoods and all of that. 657 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:51,720 So you know, just do the work, like as you're doing, and I know it's going to work out, 658 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:56,800 but you know, it is what it is at this point, we've got to let you all work and do your 659 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,800 jobs. 660 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,080 Dr. Beck, did you want to speak to that? 661 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,080 No, I'm good. 662 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,080 All right. 663 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,080 Thank you very much. 664 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,080 Thank you. 665 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,080 Thank you. 666 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,080 Okay. 667 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,080 Anything else? 668 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,080 Is there anything else on this list? 669 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,080 All right. 670 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:17,320 So we're going to move on to EMC 24-042, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff 671 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,160 direction regarding the future meeting topics. 672 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:27,360 Thank you all for adding this to the directions because I know the last couple of times I 673 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,080 was forgetting to add it. 674 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,640 So thank you for giving me that easy out. 675 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:38,080 Is there anything that anyone want to have any questions, comments or concerns about? 676 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,080 Yes, Dr. Beck. 677 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,720 If there's interest, I would be interested in two things. 678 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:48,680 And they're somewhat problematic as we only own parts of them. 679 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:56,280 One is with the Mayhill reconstruction and the realignment of Edwards, there's issues 680 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:04,040 about how our neighbors to the east of Mayhill get to the side paths and trails. 681 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,480 The pathing is no longer as intact as it was. 682 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,640 The crossings are no longer as safe as they were. 683 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:19,080 So I'd be interested in some sort of reporting about options for neighborhoods, able to move 684 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,040 in that direction if there's interest from the from the body and that. 685 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:32,280 The other one I'd be interested in is being educated about hawks, both best practice, hawk 686 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:40,800 crossings, both best practices and particularly we can put hawks on our streets under our 687 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,840 policies. 688 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,320 But most of the places we would want to hawk are not our streets. 689 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:54,400 And so that that gets that puts us in a conundrum where, you know, we we align our mobility 690 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,240 and our safety on our streets in ways that except for a few locations probably don't 691 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:00,820 need hawks. 692 00:43:00,820 --> 00:43:02,080 So we mostly don't need them. 693 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:08,120 Where we need them is places where our friends in Austin aren't always aligned with our safety 694 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,100 protocols. 695 00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:15,500 So I'd like to learn as part of that education, if again, if the body is amenable, I'd like 696 00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:20,980 to learn a little bit more about the process for kind of going through text on on these 697 00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:22,760 on demand crossings. 698 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,760 Okay. 699 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,760 Anybody else? 700 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,480 Chair, I wanted to note we have a yes on removing the TRIP funding, but I'm going to ask staff 701 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,720 to leave it on so we can bring back a presentation. 702 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:34,720 Yes. 703 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:35,720 Thank you. 704 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:36,720 Is that where you're going to? 705 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,720 Okay. 706 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:38,720 Glad it's still there. 707 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:47,280 Also, I want to just make a little correction for me in leading kind of that discussion 708 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,160 on the wrap equipment box. 709 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:56,760 I did not read through and it's actually talking about locations rather than the boxes themselves. 710 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,420 I don't think that we had gotten into what does that mean? 711 00:44:00,420 --> 00:44:05,760 Can you all give us a little update on wrapped equipment box locations? 712 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,440 Why are we speaking on that? 713 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,440 Thank you, doctor. 714 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:24,280 Good morning, chair and members for hon, but deputy director, transportation services division. 715 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,680 So what question you specifically you have about locations are there are my question 716 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,120 is, are we adding additional locations? 717 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:42,720 Are we taking some away or we what is it about locations that we might want to update the 718 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,640 people on? 719 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:52,800 I spoke with the staff spoke with the parks department who's implementing this and we 720 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,600 found out that there's an incremental process where every year they add three or four locations 721 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,880 as mentioned in the memo. 722 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,280 And for but they have a dedicated budget for that. 723 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:14,000 And for if we would like to go to to to adopt it for citywide option, then we'll have to 724 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,400 allocate some funding to that. 725 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,640 But they are open to that discussion. 726 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,760 So this will be a great community discussion. 727 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,000 If they'd like to see me open it back up for community discussion. 728 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,960 I know the when we initially did this, it was a community wide thing. 729 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,520 Did ISD students could contribute to some of the art? 730 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:44,840 So maybe it's time for us to look at that again, you know, citywide again, improve it. 731 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,960 We haven't had a discussion as to how people, you know, if there's any been any kind of 732 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,440 complaints, damages, you know, an update like that. 733 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,440 I like to see that. 734 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,120 Have you all heard of anything positive? 735 00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,120 Nothing but positive things. 736 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,720 But, you know, it's got to be something out there that can use some improvement. 737 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,720 We can all use some improvement. 738 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,000 Didn't want to turn on. 739 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,640 We can certainly add that to the list for discussion. 740 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,520 The funding discussion goes through the Community Partnership Committee because that program 741 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,640 is funded through hot funds currently. 742 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,080 So we can definitely have the discussion with this committee and the Community Partnership 743 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,080 Committee. 744 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,520 I just happen to be on that other committee, so that'll be work. 745 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,520 That'll work for me. 746 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,520 Might be helpful. 747 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,520 Yes. 748 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,520 Yes. 749 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,520 Okay. 750 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,320 So it looks like we are done with that particular discussion. 751 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:40,360 Do we need to approve the yeses? 752 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,360 I'll ask. 753 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,520 Do we need to approve the yeses? 754 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,520 Okay. 755 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,200 So we can see which ones are the yes. 756 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,840 Number one, bike rack acquisition. 757 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,840 We've gone over that. 758 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,840 Updated. 759 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,240 We're going to add it all together. 760 00:46:55,240 --> 00:47:00,880 Construction signage, blocking pedestrians. 761 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:09,520 Crossing concerns between Ryan Eye and Dollar General, Embassy Suites golf carts, increasing 762 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:18,280 sensitivity for bicycle sensors, traffic signals at Sundown and Teasley, trip, well, we could 763 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:24,600 say we're bringing yes, trip funding, and wrapped equipment box locations. 764 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:30,240 Can we get an approval for all of this, too? 765 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,240 Okay. 766 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,120 All excluding trip funding. 767 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,600 All excluding trip funding. 768 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,160 Oh, you wanted wrap boxes, right? 769 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,760 Yeah, and wrap boxes. 770 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,880 Oh, and adding wrap. 771 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:41,880 Keep wrap boxes. 772 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,660 Keeping trip funding and wrap boxes. 773 00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:45,680 Keeping trip funding and wrap boxes. 774 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,680 Okay. 775 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,680 Are we all in agreement? 776 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:48,680 Yes. 777 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,680 All right. 778 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:50,680 So the ayes have it. 779 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,680 Raise your hand. 780 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,680 Okay. 781 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,680 That was kind of out of order, but we agree. 782 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,680 Okay. 783 00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:00,160 Well, if there's not anything else, we'll move on to concluding items. 784 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,160 Any concluding items? 785 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,280 Yes, we have a concluding item. 786 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,640 So this morning, Chandra, traffic engineer, wave your hand. 787 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,040 He joined the Newton Razor bike bus this morning on a ride along. 788 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,640 So I just wanted to say thank you to Chandra for being responsive to them and listening 789 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,600 to their concerns so that the kids can use active transportation to get to school. 790 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,440 So I really appreciate that, Chandra. 791 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,440 Thank you. 792 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,440 Anyone else? 793 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,440 Did he get bubbles in his face? 794 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,440 Yes. 795 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,440 He had to go through the bubble bath. 796 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,440 All right. 797 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:36,560 Well, if there's anything additional to that, we will conclude at 1048 this morning. 798 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,560 Thank you all.