WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.080 - Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:04.540 planning and zoning commission meeting 00:00:04.540 --> 00:00:08.880 for Wednesday, November 13th, 2024. 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:12.880 Thank you for your patience while we waited for our quorum, 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.880 which we have now and I will call us to order at 5.19 p.m. 00:00:17.880 --> 00:00:20.520 First item on our work session agenda 00:00:20.520 --> 00:00:22.860 is citizen comment on consent agenda. 00:00:22.860 --> 00:00:24.980 Do we have anyone here for that? 00:00:26.880 --> 00:00:31.720 Okay, we'll move to clarification of tonight's agenda. 00:00:31.720 --> 00:00:36.720 The first being the minutes for the 25th and 23rd, 00:00:36.720 --> 00:00:39.260 25th of September, 23rd October. 00:00:39.260 --> 00:00:41.720 Any questions, concerns? 00:00:41.720 --> 00:00:43.960 Okay, consent agenda. 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:45.920 Any questions on the consent agenda? 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:50.960 Okay, items for individual consideration. 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:54.840 I'm gonna kind of move quickly through these, I think. 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.640 4A is an extension to December 11th. 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:00.460 Is there any question there? 00:01:00.460 --> 00:01:03.600 Do you need a presentation in work session? 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:05.680 Okay. 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:11.880 Next item is 4B, ZCP 2004-0034. 00:01:11.880 --> 00:01:13.760 Mia, I think, yeah, I'll go ahead and let you give us 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.920 a summary of that one since that is not. 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.800 Yeah, anything typical. 00:01:18.800 --> 00:01:20.120 - No worries. 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:21.120 - Appreciate you. 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.680 I mean, I guess it is for Razor Ranch, but. 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:24.920 - It's my new normal, yeah. 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:25.760 - Yeah. 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.200 - All right. 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:34.880 Okay, Mia Hines, good evening chair, 00:01:34.880 --> 00:01:37.360 members of the commission, Mia Hines, senior planner. 00:01:37.360 --> 00:01:39.440 This item is a zoning compliance plan 00:01:39.440 --> 00:01:41.880 for the Perdera at Razor Ranch. 00:01:41.880 --> 00:01:44.840 It's a proposed multifamily development 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.000 on an eight acre property situated south of Panhandle, 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.880 just 200 feet west of North Bonnie Bray Road. 00:01:51.880 --> 00:01:55.160 And staff is recommending approval of this item 00:01:55.160 --> 00:01:58.920 as it meets all of the criteria for approval for Razor. 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.060 Just a little reminder, 00:02:01.060 --> 00:02:04.820 the Razor Ranch overlay district requires 00:02:04.820 --> 00:02:07.560 that site plans be reviewed and final approval 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:09.520 be granted by the planning and zoning commission. 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:11.560 That is why this item is coming to you this evening. 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:13.520 And I do have a more detailed presentation 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:15.280 to go over in the regular session. 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:17.920 - And I know we had some updated documents sent, 00:02:17.920 --> 00:02:22.260 so I don't know if everyone had a chance to review those. 00:02:22.260 --> 00:02:24.520 But obviously, you'll be presenting those tonight. 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.080 - Yeah, and just to cover, really the only change 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.480 is that there are some additional plantings 00:02:29.480 --> 00:02:32.960 in the, within this landscape, 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:34.760 I'm sorry, this parking row here. 00:02:34.760 --> 00:02:39.760 And then there's the transformer location DME referred to 00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:42.360 of these utilities as opposed to the one 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:43.640 that was originally situated here. 00:02:43.640 --> 00:02:46.680 So very minor changes, not to the overall site. 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:50.240 - Good, any questions from you? 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.320 Okay, thank you very much. 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:56.680 Our 4C item is like 4A, it is an extension request 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:58.920 to a date certain of December 11th. 00:02:58.920 --> 00:03:02.160 Does anyone require to look at that in work session? 00:03:02.160 --> 00:03:05.520 Okay, that'll take us to our public hearings then. 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.320 We'll get through those and get through questions. 00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:12.360 5A is PD240003. 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:13.200 Hi, Angie. 00:03:18.200 --> 00:03:20.320 - Thank you, good evening, Chair, members of the commission. 00:03:20.320 --> 00:03:23.280 Angie Manglaris, Development Review Manager. 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.900 Give you a summary of PD240003, 00:03:26.900 --> 00:03:28.560 the reserves at Brush Creek. 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:32.000 This is a proposed rezoning request from RR and R1 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:33.380 to a planned development district 00:03:33.380 --> 00:03:35.220 with a base zoning of R4. 00:03:35.220 --> 00:03:39.240 It is on approximately 15.44 acres of land 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.720 situated northeast of US377 and Brush Creek Road. 00:03:43.720 --> 00:03:46.320 The purpose is to facilitate the development 00:03:46.320 --> 00:03:49.800 of a 42 lot single family residential neighborhood. 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.040 It is consistent with the comprehensive plan, 00:03:52.040 --> 00:03:54.160 specifically the future land use plan, 00:03:54.160 --> 00:03:55.800 housing and population projections, 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:57.880 and the preferred land preservation plan. 00:03:57.880 --> 00:03:59.600 Staff is recommending approval 00:03:59.600 --> 00:04:02.200 as it does comply with our criteria for approval. 00:04:02.200 --> 00:04:04.360 I have a more detailed presentation 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.040 that I can give during regular meeting, 00:04:06.040 --> 00:04:09.080 but I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have now. 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:10.640 - Great, questions for Angie? 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:17.400 Angie, are we making the 42 homes part of this PD? 00:04:17.400 --> 00:04:20.080 'Cause I didn't see that necessarily in these standards, 00:04:20.080 --> 00:04:21.760 but are we incorporating them, 00:04:21.760 --> 00:04:25.880 that development concept plan into this? 00:04:25.880 --> 00:04:29.400 - Yes, so as part of the plan development plan, 00:04:29.400 --> 00:04:30.880 the exhibits and the ordinance 00:04:30.880 --> 00:04:32.440 include the development standards, 00:04:32.440 --> 00:04:35.120 which are the written language, the development plan, 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:37.920 which is the 42 lots and their general layout, 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:39.340 as well as the landscape plan, 00:04:39.340 --> 00:04:42.180 which includes those buffers and areas of open space. 00:04:42.180 --> 00:04:45.480 So all of that is included as part of this PD, 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.080 and they are required to substantially adhere to it. 00:04:48.080 --> 00:04:53.960 - Would it be possible that that number could go up, though, 00:04:53.960 --> 00:04:56.080 'cause they don't have to adhere to that configuration, 00:04:56.080 --> 00:04:57.440 do they, necessarily? 00:04:57.440 --> 00:04:59.120 - The configuration could change slightly, 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:02.580 but we really only allow for minor amendments, 00:05:02.580 --> 00:05:05.600 and an increase in homes is not contemplated 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:07.080 as part of a minor amendment. 00:05:07.080 --> 00:05:10.120 That would be major and would have to come back to you all. 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:11.160 - Okay, sounds good. 00:05:12.880 --> 00:05:14.240 Other questions right now? 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.420 Okay, thank you very much. 00:05:17.420 --> 00:05:20.160 You're staying up here for the next one. 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:23.600 5B PDA 240002. 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:28.600 - Yes, this is a overlay plan development amendment request. 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:33.280 So the purpose here is to amend an existing plan development 00:05:33.280 --> 00:05:37.720 with a base zoning of MN on approximately 3.18 acres 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.000 of land located just east of I-35 North, 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:45.480 and approximately 1,000 feet south of West Windsor Drive, 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:46.860 to facilitate the development 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:49.680 of an indoor recreation facility. 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:51.940 This one does have a little bit more history to it. 00:05:51.940 --> 00:05:53.520 There was a straight zoning change 00:05:53.520 --> 00:05:55.560 that was considered in 2020. 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.380 It was approved with conditions, 00:05:57.380 --> 00:06:01.620 and that has translated to an overlay PD situation. 00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:05.100 This overlay PD did establish several land use restrictions, 00:06:05.100 --> 00:06:07.720 but did not adopt a concept plan. 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.560 So that leaves some ambiguity in what constitutes 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:12.920 an adjacent building, as called out 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.280 in the current overlay plan development, 00:06:16.280 --> 00:06:20.040 and is not conducive for single building development. 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.440 At the original meeting this was considered at, 00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:25.920 a site plan was shown with approximately seven pad sites, 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:28.320 and the specification was that buildings adjacent 00:06:28.320 --> 00:06:30.680 to single family residential be restricted 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.280 to professional and medical offices. 00:06:33.280 --> 00:06:35.760 So the purpose of this amendment is to remove 00:06:35.760 --> 00:06:38.240 unclear language in the original PD, 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:40.280 as well as address concerns that the neighborhood 00:06:40.280 --> 00:06:42.600 had related to this specific use. 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:44.640 It does retain original provisions 00:06:44.640 --> 00:06:47.640 within the initial overlay PD, 00:06:47.640 --> 00:06:49.640 including restricted land uses. 00:06:49.640 --> 00:06:52.280 Those stay the same, as well as limited access 00:06:52.280 --> 00:06:55.440 from Colonial Drive for emergency purposes only. 00:06:55.440 --> 00:06:57.880 It does comply with our criteria for approval. 00:06:57.880 --> 00:07:00.340 I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have now. 00:07:00.340 --> 00:07:01.780 There's a more detailed presentation 00:07:01.780 --> 00:07:02.880 for later this evening. 00:07:02.880 --> 00:07:06.020 - Angie, do you know the hours of operation 00:07:06.020 --> 00:07:09.960 of this proposed use? 00:07:09.960 --> 00:07:12.000 - I do not, but the applicant should be here 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:13.360 this evening who could maybe speak 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.160 to the more business side of this plan. 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:17.000 - Okay. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:21.200 Any questions, anybody? 00:07:21.200 --> 00:07:26.720 - Thank you. - Thank you very much. 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:31.720 Okay, our next public hearing is 5CZ240011. 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.240 Julie is presenting that. 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:37.200 Hello. 00:07:37.200 --> 00:07:38.920 - Good evening, Julie Wyatt. 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.080 Let me pull in my presentation. 00:07:41.080 --> 00:07:43.640 See if I can find it. 00:07:43.640 --> 00:07:44.460 Here we go. 00:07:44.460 --> 00:07:48.520 Good evening, this is Z2411, 00:07:48.520 --> 00:07:51.720 the DISD transportation facility. 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:53.800 Just a quick summary of the proposal. 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:58.600 Denton ISD is requesting to rezone about 10 acres 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:03.600 that they own from R6 to PF District. 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.160 That's consistent with our standard practices 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:08.720 for government-owned properties. 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.400 This is to zone at that PF District. 00:08:11.400 --> 00:08:14.960 They are looking to relocate their transportation facility 00:08:14.960 --> 00:08:18.960 from its existing site just northwest 00:08:18.960 --> 00:08:23.040 of the Ryan High School campus 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.040 to just kind of north of the Ryan High School campus. 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.320 So from that yellow area to the blue. 00:08:29.320 --> 00:08:32.800 The proposal is consistent with the comprehensive plan 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:34.680 and our future land use goals. 00:08:34.680 --> 00:08:37.760 And we are recommending approval of the request. 00:08:37.760 --> 00:08:39.720 I will be happy to answer any questions 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:42.880 and a representative will be attending tonight's meeting 00:08:42.880 --> 00:08:44.200 to answer questions. 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:45.520 - Great. 00:08:45.520 --> 00:08:46.600 Questions for Julie? 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:53.000 Julie, I was wondering if there's gas pumps 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:54.240 on the current site. 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.800 - Gas, oh, yes, yes. 00:08:56.800 --> 00:09:01.200 - Right, 'cause they have fuel on the site for the, 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.600 okay, so those will be needing to be mitigated 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:10.000 if they're using that current space for school expansion. 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:11.040 Is that what I understand? 00:09:11.040 --> 00:09:13.680 - So, and these transportation facilities 00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:15.000 are pretty comprehensive. 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.120 It has a secure location for the buses. 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:18.920 It has offices. 00:09:18.920 --> 00:09:19.960 It has fueling. 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.560 It has to be able to do some minor repairs. 00:09:22.560 --> 00:09:26.120 So they're pretty comprehensive for their buses. 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:29.800 They are looking to repurpose that property 00:09:29.800 --> 00:09:33.360 to some fields right now. 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.120 You may have noticed on the Denton ISD campuses 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.320 that they are installing, 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:41.320 I believe there's, on Ryan is going right here, 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.720 large athletic indoor facilities. 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:49.040 So they're looking to repurpose existing fields 00:09:49.040 --> 00:09:50.640 to these athletic facilities 00:09:50.640 --> 00:09:53.960 and finding other places on their campuses 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:57.480 for those fields. 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.440 In this instance, they are repurposing 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:01.480 the transportation facility for that. 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:03.600 And of course, they'll have to meet all regulations 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.600 associated with it. 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:06.440 - Okay. 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:09.600 Questions? 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:10.440 Yep. 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:11.280 Commissioner Perdon. 00:10:11.280 --> 00:10:13.640 - Thank you, Julie. 00:10:13.640 --> 00:10:16.760 One of the comments that we got from a community member 00:10:16.760 --> 00:10:19.440 is security, which you said it would be a secure location. 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:22.440 Can you speak if there would be a fence at the location? 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.880 - Yes, so there's really two parts to the site, 00:10:25.880 --> 00:10:27.040 and this is a straight zoning, 00:10:27.040 --> 00:10:29.160 so it won't have a site plan associated with it, 00:10:29.160 --> 00:10:32.560 but they have submitted it, so I have some information. 00:10:32.560 --> 00:10:35.040 There is a secured gated area, 00:10:35.040 --> 00:10:37.640 which that's where the buses will be. 00:10:37.640 --> 00:10:40.600 Of course, they have drivers who have to drive 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:42.360 to the facility every morning, 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.760 so there's gonna be a portion outside of that gated area 00:10:46.760 --> 00:10:50.560 for the bus drivers to park their personal vehicles 00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:52.040 as they're driving the buses, 00:10:52.040 --> 00:10:54.360 and then the buses, the actual, 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.400 those will be behind a fenced area. 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:01.640 - Okay, thank you. 00:11:01.640 --> 00:11:02.480 - You bet. 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.480 - Anything else for Julie on this one? 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:06.600 Okay, thank you very much. 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:07.440 - Thank you. 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.760 - Our last public hearing on our agenda, 00:11:11.760 --> 00:11:16.760 staff is requesting that we continue to December 11th. 00:11:16.760 --> 00:11:19.320 They are gonna re-notice that we are gonna open 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:20.720 the public hearing and leave it open, 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:25.320 and then ask to continue it to December 11th. 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:26.840 Any questions regarding that? 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:33.080 Okay, all right, then let's get to our work session reports. 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:37.440 The first one being 3A, PZ24197. 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:38.960 Receive a report, hold a discussion 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:40.880 regarding the Tree Mitigation Fund. 00:11:40.880 --> 00:11:45.120 And I'm not sure who is hosting that. 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:46.240 There we go, hello. 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:52.720 - Good evening, Chair and commission members. 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.120 My name is Ziad Carrot, 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.480 Assistant Director of Parks and Recreation. 00:11:58.560 --> 00:12:01.560 And I'll pull up my... 00:12:01.560 --> 00:12:05.880 Here we go. 00:12:05.880 --> 00:12:11.280 In a previous Planning and Zoning meeting, 00:12:11.280 --> 00:12:15.840 it was asked to come back with some answers 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:17.720 to some questions asked by the commission members 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.440 regarding the Tree Mitigation Fund. 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:23.480 The Tree Mitigation, as you know, 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:27.400 is used by the Parks Department 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:31.640 for a number of programs, tree planting, tree programs. 00:12:31.640 --> 00:12:34.200 And so what I've done in this presentation 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.680 is just address your questions directly. 00:12:36.680 --> 00:12:39.920 We'll be here to address any other questions 00:12:39.920 --> 00:12:40.760 that may come up. 00:12:40.760 --> 00:12:43.320 I have some additional staff members here 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:45.240 that can answer any specific questions 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:46.640 that you have about programs 00:12:46.640 --> 00:12:50.760 or specific tree planting efforts 00:12:50.760 --> 00:12:52.000 related to urban forestry. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.840 So one question that was asked was, 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:58.800 how often is the Tree Mitigation Fund paid into 00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:01.520 and payment is received into the fund 00:13:01.520 --> 00:13:03.040 when plotting fees are assessed? 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:06.600 And so there's a standard process for that 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:09.600 when fees are assessed throughout that process. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.560 And so it's, you know, as those fees come in, 00:13:13.560 --> 00:13:16.000 it goes straight into the Tree Mitigation Fund. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.320 And if you wanna ask me questions anytime, 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:22.280 please, I'll stop whenever, or we can wait till the end. 00:13:22.280 --> 00:13:24.960 So the next question was, 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.040 what can the funding be used for? 00:13:27.040 --> 00:13:30.680 It's very explicit in the code of ordinances, 00:13:30.680 --> 00:13:33.080 what those funds can be used for. 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.680 Section 77.4 to be specific. 00:13:35.680 --> 00:13:37.760 And I have another slide here that's an excerpt 00:13:37.760 --> 00:13:41.000 from that code so that we can go through that in detail. 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.920 What recent projects have been completed with this funding? 00:13:45.920 --> 00:13:49.160 So here's a list of projects that we've completed 00:13:49.160 --> 00:13:52.880 in the last several years with Tree Mitigation Funding. 00:13:52.880 --> 00:13:57.120 So most recently, we've utilized ground-based LIDAR 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:01.640 within parks, city facilities, and rights of way, 00:14:01.640 --> 00:14:04.920 using, utilizing a contract that we have 00:14:04.920 --> 00:14:06.920 with a company called Greehill. 00:14:06.920 --> 00:14:09.000 So they've actually gone around 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:12.160 with a Google Street View looking car 00:14:12.160 --> 00:14:14.320 with technology strapped to the top 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.800 that goes and inventories trees for their condition, 00:14:18.800 --> 00:14:23.760 their type, their size within these areas 00:14:23.760 --> 00:14:26.240 so that they can help us gather data 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:29.960 for informing our work process 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:32.400 in terms of maintaining those trees. 00:14:32.400 --> 00:14:34.960 And so we're also working with them 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.680 on establishing an overall city-wide, 00:14:37.680 --> 00:14:41.440 city-wide look at our tree canopy. 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.040 And so we're able to use that technology 00:14:44.040 --> 00:14:45.640 in a number of different ways. 00:14:45.640 --> 00:14:47.400 So the Tree Mitigation Fund is used 00:14:47.400 --> 00:14:48.880 for those purposes as well. 00:14:48.880 --> 00:14:53.800 For specific tree planting that has been completed 00:14:53.800 --> 00:14:57.640 with this funding recently is annual Arbor Day Planting, 00:14:57.640 --> 00:15:00.160 which is the first Saturday of November. 00:15:00.160 --> 00:15:03.520 Our annual tree rate rebate program, 00:15:03.520 --> 00:15:05.440 we planted on Shady Oaks Drive, 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.480 or we're preparing for our planting on Shady Oaks Drive, 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:11.720 and that's upcoming in this fall/winter. 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.480 There's a lot of steps that are involved with that 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:14.720 'cause every tree that we plant, 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:16.000 we wanna make sure that it has 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:19.640 adequate irrigation facilities that are connected to it. 00:15:19.640 --> 00:15:23.160 So if it's trees that are planted in the medians, 00:15:23.160 --> 00:15:25.200 we have to make sure that those medians are set up 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:27.880 for irrigation prior to any tree planting. 00:15:27.880 --> 00:15:33.240 Hickory Creek was a recent project of medium plantings. 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.240 Joe Skiles Park, we had a major renovation 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.880 to the park recently and we utilized Tree Mitigation Fund 00:15:39.880 --> 00:15:44.720 for planting trees along the trail within that park. 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:48.600 The same with Sequoia Park in the fall of 2023, 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:51.600 same at South Lakes Park and North Lakes Dog Park. 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:55.920 Last question that was asked was, 00:15:55.920 --> 00:15:57.840 can tree funds be used to plant trees 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.360 in residential neighborhoods that would be impacted 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.240 by the development project paying into the fund? 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:08.920 The short answer is the funds that are paid 00:16:08.920 --> 00:16:12.040 into the Tree Mitigation Fund are used citywide 00:16:12.040 --> 00:16:14.440 for citywide priorities. 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.480 And not necessarily specific to a particular development. 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.320 And so the tree funds are prioritized to be used 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.480 within public parks, roadway medians and open space 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.640 that help to advance the goals and objectives 00:16:27.640 --> 00:16:29.560 identified in the Urban Forest Master Plan. 00:16:29.560 --> 00:16:33.160 And so we're typically utilizing those 00:16:33.160 --> 00:16:35.800 to accomplish goals set forward 00:16:35.800 --> 00:16:37.400 in the Urban Forest Master Plan, 00:16:37.400 --> 00:16:39.440 which may or may not be specific 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.120 to that particular development. 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.600 So tree funds can also be used 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:46.640 for the neighborhood tree giveaways, 00:16:46.640 --> 00:16:50.000 the tree rebate program that are programs associated 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.080 with Keep Denton Beautiful. 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:57.720 The tree giveaway is the tree your block program. 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:02.400 And the tree rebate program is another program 00:17:02.400 --> 00:17:05.520 that utilizes a rebate program 00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:08.120 for trees planted within private property. 00:17:08.120 --> 00:17:11.880 So both the tree your block and the tree rebate program 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.000 are ways that we can work with private property owners 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.680 to get trees planted on private property. 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.360 So we use Tree Mitigation Funds 00:17:20.360 --> 00:17:22.760 for public property planting. 00:17:22.760 --> 00:17:26.480 And we have programs in place to help private residents 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.280 planting on private property as well. 00:17:28.280 --> 00:17:33.240 So here's the excerpt from the Code of Ordinances. 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:38.000 You don't need me to read it for you. 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:42.520 I mean, there's specific reference in 774 00:17:42.520 --> 00:17:44.080 in the Code of Ordinances for this, 00:17:44.080 --> 00:17:49.080 but it's very clear what the tree funds can be used for 00:17:49.080 --> 00:17:53.120 and it enumerates all the different ways 00:17:53.120 --> 00:17:55.080 that it can be used, essentially, 00:17:55.080 --> 00:17:57.920 that the Tree Mitigation Funds are in place 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:00.800 to help us advance our tree canopy efforts 00:18:00.800 --> 00:18:04.520 and our environmental goals throughout the city. 00:18:04.520 --> 00:18:07.920 And so it's very clear what kind of goals 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.480 we're trying to accomplish in the city 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:11.920 and that we are advancing that 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.160 with this Urban Forest Master Plan. 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:21.160 We included a bar graph on this slide 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.640 just so that we can have some visual 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:27.360 in terms of how the funding has been coming in. 00:18:27.360 --> 00:18:29.720 The blue bar graph represents deposits 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:33.560 and the yellow bar graph are the expenditures 00:18:33.560 --> 00:18:34.640 over the last 10 years. 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:39.640 And so you can see that there have been some fluctuation, 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:42.920 especially around COVID time in terms of 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:46.840 what has been coming in, what has been going out 00:18:46.840 --> 00:18:49.880 in terms of being for the expenditures. 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:54.400 You'll notice the big yellow bar in 2019, 2020 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.080 was used for land acquisition. 00:18:57.080 --> 00:19:02.000 And so that depleted majority of the funds in that year 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:07.000 to purchase East Lake Parks property in East Denton. 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.120 And so following 2019, 2020, 00:19:10.120 --> 00:19:13.520 you'll see that we were building up the deposits 00:19:13.520 --> 00:19:15.640 to start implementing more tree growth 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.840 or tree planting in the subsequent years after that. 00:19:18.840 --> 00:19:25.640 And I just wanna include some projects 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.000 from our Arbor Day 2023. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:29.600 This is in South Lakes Park. 00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:34.560 And this is the tree your block program from 2021. 00:19:34.560 --> 00:19:39.640 And so we're very excited to announce 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.600 that we have an urban forestry website created. 00:19:42.600 --> 00:19:46.280 That is a recent development and accomplishes our goals 00:19:46.280 --> 00:19:49.040 in the, one of our many goals 00:19:49.040 --> 00:19:50.960 in the urban forest master plan. 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.440 So this is a link to that urban forestry website. 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.680 It has a lot of helpful resources, 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:01.320 has links to other webpages very soon 00:20:01.320 --> 00:20:04.920 once we get the tree inventory processed 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:09.920 and visualized in a way that we're able to present it 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:13.320 to the public, we'll be posting that 00:20:13.320 --> 00:20:15.400 on this website as well. 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.480 We have, as I mentioned, worked with a company 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.360 called Greenhill over the last couple of years 00:20:21.360 --> 00:20:22.720 to inventory all these trees. 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.480 And so they're in the process of processing 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:28.600 the last bits of data so that they can help us 00:20:28.600 --> 00:20:32.360 visualize through a sister company 00:20:32.360 --> 00:20:37.360 with Davie Tree Resources to get that mapping set up for us. 00:20:37.360 --> 00:20:40.240 And so once that is done, 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:43.440 it'll be live on the urban forestry website. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.240 And we also included a couple of other links 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:46.840 for the tree rebates program 00:20:46.840 --> 00:20:49.640 and also the Keep Deton Beautiful website 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:51.080 for additional resources. 00:20:53.360 --> 00:20:56.560 - And with that, I'll take any questions that you may have. 00:20:56.560 --> 00:20:58.680 - Questions? 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:01.480 Yep, Commissioner Perot. 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:04.320 - Thank you, Chair. 00:21:04.320 --> 00:21:06.840 So full disclosure, I'm the one who asked 00:21:06.840 --> 00:21:09.880 about the nearby neighborhood question number four 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.960 that I'm sure was confusing and a head scratcher. 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:14.680 My intention was really about, 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.560 I understand our development code 00:21:17.560 --> 00:21:21.440 has street tree requirements and that sort of thing, 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:26.440 but the majority of our lots in the city 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.920 were developed before 2019 and before 2002. 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:31.760 And therefore, there's a lot of areas 00:21:31.760 --> 00:21:33.640 that do not have street trees. 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:38.640 And so I guess my reading of it is you said medians, 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.360 but my reading is that if there is a, 00:21:42.360 --> 00:21:45.760 if there is city of right-of-way 00:21:45.760 --> 00:21:49.320 outside of the roadway cross-section, 00:21:49.320 --> 00:21:52.680 then street trees could be planted there. 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:55.680 But maybe some of these neighborhoods 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:57.320 don't necessarily have enough right-of-way 00:21:57.320 --> 00:22:00.640 on the edge for a tree planting. 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.160 And so in order to plant street trees in a neighborhood 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.120 that does not have them with tree mitigation funds, 00:22:07.120 --> 00:22:09.560 you would have to actually obtain an easement 00:22:09.560 --> 00:22:14.200 or purchase land, which my reading of that 774 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:18.160 is that no provisions in there would apply 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:22.000 toward that capability. 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.000 Is that accurate? 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.720 - Yeah, we're not actively seeking to purchase land 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.200 to plant trees on them or take their easements 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:31.040 or things like that. 00:22:31.040 --> 00:22:32.360 And when I mentioned medians, 00:22:32.360 --> 00:22:34.960 those are typically the spaces in between the lanes 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:38.440 versus the parkways on the outsides of the right-of-way. 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:39.680 - Right. - Yep. 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:44.480 And so a lot of that is because we control, 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.800 the city controls the area in the right-of-way. 00:22:48.800 --> 00:22:52.320 And so, but the street trees would be planted 00:22:52.320 --> 00:22:53.480 perhaps in the right-of-way, 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:55.760 but the maintenance obligations fall 00:22:55.760 --> 00:22:59.160 to the adjacent property owners for that tree maintenance. 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:04.080 And so with us, the city, trying to accomplish our goals, 00:23:04.080 --> 00:23:07.280 we can plant trees in the middle medians 00:23:07.280 --> 00:23:09.880 to help with heat island mitigation 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:14.600 because the shading can get on concrete in different angles 00:23:14.600 --> 00:23:16.120 and we have more control 00:23:16.120 --> 00:23:18.720 over maintaining those trees in the long-term. 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.840 - Okay, I mean, there's probably grading reasons 00:23:22.840 --> 00:23:26.240 why trees in the parkway don't require 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:29.400 as much active irrigation and that sort of thing, right? 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:31.240 - What do you mean by grading reasons? 00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:33.520 - Well, typically a roadway is crowned, 00:23:33.520 --> 00:23:36.040 so water's flowing away from the trees now, 00:23:36.040 --> 00:23:38.000 whereas at the edge, 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.760 water's flowing toward those areas now, 00:23:39.760 --> 00:23:41.320 both from the development property 00:23:41.320 --> 00:23:43.360 as well as from the street. 00:23:43.360 --> 00:23:44.400 - I see what you mean. 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:49.600 - You know, it just seems to me like 00:23:49.600 --> 00:23:56.240 we ask a lot of residents that are impacted by development 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.840 to take one for the team, so to speak, 00:23:59.840 --> 00:24:04.040 and endure larger change near them 00:24:04.040 --> 00:24:05.600 for the good of the whole city. 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:10.600 And we have a lot of streets in neighborhoods 00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:14.760 and in small business areas that don't have street trees. 00:24:14.760 --> 00:24:19.760 And it's a clear need, 00:24:19.760 --> 00:24:21.760 it's a clear benefit to our society, 00:24:21.760 --> 00:24:24.280 it aids with stormwater retention, 00:24:24.280 --> 00:24:26.520 it could go on and on, right? 00:24:26.520 --> 00:24:32.800 And so I'm not saying we have to do that 00:24:32.800 --> 00:24:35.000 or move toward that, 00:24:36.120 --> 00:24:39.560 but it seems to me like one sort of low effort, 00:24:39.560 --> 00:24:42.800 low lift way to make sure that 00:24:42.800 --> 00:24:45.040 if a development is going in in area A, 00:24:45.040 --> 00:24:49.520 and because of the particularness 00:24:49.520 --> 00:24:53.360 of where they have to clear and build the building, 00:24:53.360 --> 00:24:58.360 et cetera, a high portion of canopy coverage 00:24:58.360 --> 00:25:01.800 within that area A is going away 00:25:01.800 --> 00:25:06.800 because of the development, then amending that nearby area 00:25:06.800 --> 00:25:12.760 with street trees that we know is traffic calming, et cetera, 00:25:12.760 --> 00:25:17.920 might be a way to make sure that we're improving 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:22.520 more than just that one plot of land, so thank you. 00:25:22.520 --> 00:25:26.960 - Other questions? 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:32.920 And there's nothing in the code that talks about 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.080 something like that can't be done, right? 00:25:35.080 --> 00:25:39.400 It's just not something you're actively looking to do, 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:41.560 is that how I'm interpreting like? 00:25:41.560 --> 00:25:45.440 - It's not that we are not looking for areas 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.880 adjacent to existing developments to replant, 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:51.680 it's that we're looking at the city holistically 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:54.160 in terms of trying to identify needs. 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:57.040 And so we look at different factors 00:25:57.040 --> 00:26:01.360 like the heat island effect throughout the city. 00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:04.400 We're looking at stormwater areas 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:07.760 that we can bolster tree planting in areas 00:26:07.760 --> 00:26:12.480 that may have less or more need 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:16.400 than the areas adjacent to these developments in question. 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:20.880 And so I'm not saying that these areas cannot be planted. 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:26.320 What we aim to do in terms of those plantings 00:26:26.320 --> 00:26:29.000 within the rights of way are in the medians, though, 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.000 not on the parkways. 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.680 And so I think that if there was a road 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.000 that kind of fit that criteria, 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.560 that was adjacent to a private development 00:26:38.560 --> 00:26:40.880 that was removing a lot of tree canopy, 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.680 then that might be a good candidate for the city 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.000 to come in and plant within those medians. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:50.440 But knowing that there are a lot of other priorities 00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:53.000 throughout the city that need to be addressed as well. 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.960 - How are those priorities set? 00:26:57.320 --> 00:26:58.160 - Great question. 00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:01.680 And so right now we're looking at 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.240 the Urban Forest Master Plan as a way to revisit 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.840 after a couple of years now that it's been adopted. 00:27:08.840 --> 00:27:12.240 We're looking at our data that is coming in 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:16.080 to help us establish what our inventory is 00:27:16.080 --> 00:27:21.080 and integrate the data into a GIS kind of collaborative map 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.840 that shows those overlays of heat islands, 00:27:26.840 --> 00:27:29.440 heat island effect throughout the city, 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.120 city-owned controlled property areas 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:36.400 that are lacking in tree canopy 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.360 in areas that have a greater equity need. 00:27:40.360 --> 00:27:45.040 And so we're looking at those now actively 00:27:45.040 --> 00:27:47.160 to help us identify those. 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.720 The last several projects that we've identified 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.920 were mainly roadways that were put in 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.720 that were lacking in tree trees for all intents and purposes, 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.480 not necessarily connected with a particular development. 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.600 But like Hickory Creek and some of those others 00:28:04.600 --> 00:28:07.200 that I mentioned, and those park projects, 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.680 and those were projects that were very obvious 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.920 to staff that needed additional trees. 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.840 And so now that we're getting the data and required 00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:20.480 to make those kind of city-wide looks, those are things 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:22.840 that are already outlined in the Urban Forest Master Plan 00:28:22.840 --> 00:28:24.400 and we just need to put everything together 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:29.080 to kind of put together our, we have a five-year plan 00:28:29.080 --> 00:28:31.200 but help refine that five-year plan 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:35.040 to help us get some of those larger goals met. 00:28:35.040 --> 00:28:36.320 - Okay, that makes sense. 00:28:36.320 --> 00:28:37.320 Yeah, and there's no timeline 00:28:37.320 --> 00:28:39.760 on when funds have to be spent, right? 00:28:39.760 --> 00:28:40.600 Is there-- - Correct. 00:28:40.600 --> 00:28:42.760 - There's nothing in there that talks about 00:28:42.760 --> 00:28:43.880 how much you can have in there 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.420 and how quick you have to use it, nothing like that. 00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:47.260 Okay. 00:28:47.260 --> 00:28:49.360 Thank you. 00:28:49.360 --> 00:28:50.400 Any other questions? 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:55.000 Thank you for enlightening us on that. 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.760 - Thank you. - Thank you very much. 00:28:56.760 --> 00:29:02.920 Okay, our next work session report is 3B-PZ24221. 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:04.560 That's received report hold a discussion 00:29:04.560 --> 00:29:06.480 regarding the Department of Parks 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.980 and Rec's master planning efforts. 00:29:08.980 --> 00:29:13.680 Hello. 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:14.520 Hello, how are you? 00:29:14.520 --> 00:29:15.340 - Good. 00:29:15.340 --> 00:29:24.960 - So good evening. 00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.940 Ramir Martin with Parks Recreation Department. 00:29:27.940 --> 00:29:30.680 Thank you for having us, 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.080 being able to have an opportunity 00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:33.280 to be able to talk about our master plans 00:29:33.280 --> 00:29:36.360 and updates that we have done thus far. 00:29:36.360 --> 00:29:42.120 And again, there are two master plans 00:29:42.120 --> 00:29:43.580 that we're gonna give the update on 00:29:43.580 --> 00:29:47.600 and the first one is the Parks and Recreation 00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:49.280 and Trail System Master Plan 00:29:49.280 --> 00:29:54.040 that was adopted in March 2022, 00:29:54.040 --> 00:29:55.480 as well as the Aquatics Master Plan 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.600 that was recently adopted this past February in 2024. 00:29:59.600 --> 00:30:06.760 And one of the things in these documents, 00:30:06.760 --> 00:30:10.460 the key findings when you're looking at those first pages, 00:30:10.460 --> 00:30:13.240 the most used facilities on there, 00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:17.120 you have our natatorium, the Waterworks Park, 00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:21.240 you have the dog park, Clear Creek Preservation Area, 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.040 as well as our senior center, 00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:24.240 which allows us to be able to know 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.240 that those are areas that we want to be able to focus on 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.200 with some of our bond packages 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.640 that we will speak to in a minute. 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.280 The top reasons for not using our facilities, 00:30:33.280 --> 00:30:36.520 this is one that we got to continue to be able to dig into 00:30:36.520 --> 00:30:38.720 because when you look at some of the ones 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:40.360 that are listed on there, 00:30:40.360 --> 00:30:42.740 again, not knowing where we're at, 00:30:42.740 --> 00:30:44.200 not knowing the location of some of the things, 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:45.720 not meeting the needs of the community, 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:47.320 those are things we want to dig into further, 00:30:47.320 --> 00:30:48.980 but being able to try to address those 00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:50.720 with some of the bond issues 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.560 and as we continue to progress on that way. 00:30:53.560 --> 00:30:55.620 Top desired amenities, 00:30:55.620 --> 00:30:57.420 again, when you look at some of our trails, 00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:00.160 they talk about open spaces, splash pads, 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.960 nature centers and things that way, 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.480 and then you talk about events, community events. 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.440 That's one that hopefully if you were around the city 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.800 in the month of October, you know that that was one 00:31:13.800 --> 00:31:16.200 that we definitely tried to make some progress on 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:17.600 and being able to have some community events 00:31:17.600 --> 00:31:21.640 and really be able to engage the community with that month, 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.520 but those are amenities that we're trying to be able to reach 00:31:24.520 --> 00:31:27.880 and things we're trying to achieve through the master plan. 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:32.080 With the vision for the master plan and the goals, 00:31:32.080 --> 00:31:34.120 there were six goals that were identified there 00:31:34.120 --> 00:31:37.600 and I kind of point to the first two and the first one 00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:39.400 because all the two that kind of, you know, 00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.160 address the senior center as well as our pool amenities 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.600 where it talks about being able to complete our park system 00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:48.000 and then being able to, you know, 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.340 make sure our park system amenities are up to 00:31:51.340 --> 00:31:53.840 what the public is looking for and what they need that way. 00:31:53.840 --> 00:31:57.180 So there's kind of some images of the, you know, 00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:00.580 some of the needs that kind of speak to the senior center 00:32:00.580 --> 00:32:04.220 as well as looking at the, you know, the pool, 00:32:04.220 --> 00:32:09.020 the aquatics pool, the master plan or the waterworks pool, 00:32:09.020 --> 00:32:10.900 which are two bond issues that, you know, 00:32:10.900 --> 00:32:12.060 I speak to that way. 00:32:12.060 --> 00:32:13.960 So you got the senior center to the active adult center 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.700 and the improvement to the water park. 00:32:16.700 --> 00:32:18.840 So the active adult center, 00:32:18.840 --> 00:32:21.580 that bond issue was approved last November, 00:32:21.580 --> 00:32:24.580 which we are thankful for as you can see that that was a 47, 00:32:24.580 --> 00:32:26.640 you know, million dollar bond, you know, 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:30.340 with 900 of that going to, you know, public arts 00:32:30.340 --> 00:32:35.360 and that's design funding will begin next fiscal year, 25, 26. 00:32:38.120 --> 00:32:40.900 And one of the things that we are now doing with that, 00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:42.820 because you talk about the progress and challenge, 00:32:42.820 --> 00:32:46.660 we engaged and created a departmental steering committee, 00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:48.040 you know, that has been established, 00:32:48.040 --> 00:32:50.240 being able to, you know, do an internal look 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:52.940 at trying to be able to look at the different things 00:32:52.940 --> 00:32:55.680 of confirming that program for that facility, 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:57.380 research and the feasibility of, you know, 00:32:57.380 --> 00:32:59.140 possible locations as well as identifying 00:32:59.140 --> 00:33:00.520 future staffing needs. 00:33:00.520 --> 00:33:02.680 And one of the things that we just spoke with, 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:04.540 with, you know, our finance, you know, 00:33:04.540 --> 00:33:07.720 finance department is looking at trying to get some funds 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.420 to be able to have a consultant come in and help, 00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:12.960 being able to help secure the right location 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:14.760 or being able to identify that location. 00:33:14.760 --> 00:33:17.100 Because right now we do have two properties 00:33:17.100 --> 00:33:18.160 that are there, three properties, 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.040 when you look at the current location and in Quaker town, 00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:23.900 as well as you have Mac Park, 00:33:23.900 --> 00:33:27.040 as well as some property on Orion Road where the library is, 00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:28.640 which was kind of spoke about a little bit 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.200 as opposite of different options, 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.140 but wanted to be able to bring in the consultant 00:33:32.140 --> 00:33:36.520 to be able to further help validate some of those, 00:33:36.520 --> 00:33:39.020 those discussions and being able to engage the community 00:33:39.020 --> 00:33:40.820 in those, those, those talks to make sure 00:33:40.820 --> 00:33:42.520 we're putting the right product out there, 00:33:42.520 --> 00:33:44.220 putting the right location and being able to have 00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:45.900 the right type of staffing needs 00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:48.060 to be able to support those facilities. 00:33:48.060 --> 00:33:50.800 And so again, you just seen the pictures 00:33:50.800 --> 00:33:54.500 of just variety of facilities across the, 00:33:54.500 --> 00:33:57.140 across the state and across the country. 00:33:57.140 --> 00:33:59.740 And I point out the two bottom pictures 00:33:59.740 --> 00:34:03.140 because when I was in the County of Loudoun in Virginia, 00:34:03.140 --> 00:34:06.820 we had five senior centers that we had built there 00:34:06.820 --> 00:34:09.020 and the most recent one down there 00:34:09.020 --> 00:34:11.460 where the conversation came up, Pickleball. 00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:14.380 So you see that, again, we had a multi-purpose space 00:34:14.380 --> 00:34:16.560 that actually has three Pickleball courts in it, 00:34:16.560 --> 00:34:19.320 but then they're multi-purpose spaces to be able to use, 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.660 as well as the other facility down on the other side, 00:34:23.660 --> 00:34:25.160 this kind of an active area, 00:34:25.160 --> 00:34:27.260 kind of a passive area type of deal in there 00:34:27.260 --> 00:34:29.300 with the like fireplace place in there. 00:34:29.300 --> 00:34:30.700 And one of the things I looked in there 00:34:30.700 --> 00:34:32.600 and they wouldn't let me in the senior center quite yet, 00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:34.080 but there's a nice little fireplace 00:34:34.080 --> 00:34:35.340 and I wanted to put a chair 00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:37.340 because it overlooked a nice little pond and outside area, 00:34:37.340 --> 00:34:39.680 which I try to dedicate that for myself, 00:34:39.680 --> 00:34:41.580 but I'm no longer gonna be in Loudoun 00:34:41.580 --> 00:34:42.920 and I'm not gonna be in Loudoun, 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.420 so I guess that's for somebody else to be able to enjoy. 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:50.660 And then you have a Water Works Park phase one, 00:34:50.660 --> 00:34:53.420 which that was another, you know, 00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:56.360 bond approved last November. 00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.200 And so the whole park bond was that $33 million bond, 00:35:00.200 --> 00:35:02.400 but 15 million of it was dedicated, 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:06.200 or designated for the phase one of Water Works Park, 00:35:06.200 --> 00:35:09.040 which actually we're in current design phase of that 00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:11.240 right now as we speak, just had a meeting this afternoon, 00:35:11.240 --> 00:35:13.400 really trying to finalize what that plan looks like, 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.640 but that construction is scheduled to start in the summer 00:35:16.640 --> 00:35:21.640 and be completed by the following summer for participation. 00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:27.220 And then on that project, what was listed out in the bond 00:35:27.220 --> 00:35:29.920 is it is going to be able to look at the projects 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:34.160 where there's the unique feature is that youth play feature 00:35:34.160 --> 00:35:36.100 that's gonna be a nice signature piece 00:35:36.100 --> 00:35:39.200 to add more usability in there, 00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:43.140 and then being able to have more outdoor lap lane pool space 00:35:43.140 --> 00:35:45.500 that we can use to be able to program 00:35:45.500 --> 00:35:48.240 and have more swim lessons because within an auditorium, 00:35:48.240 --> 00:35:51.740 there is that competition with being able to supply 00:35:51.740 --> 00:35:55.640 the DISDs swim programs and aquatics programs, 00:35:55.640 --> 00:35:57.520 and then there's not enough public space 00:35:57.520 --> 00:35:58.720 when it comes to lap things, 00:35:58.720 --> 00:36:00.620 and this will be one of those solutions 00:36:00.620 --> 00:36:02.780 to be able to try to have those booking seasons 00:36:02.780 --> 00:36:04.720 when you have, try to have a heated pool 00:36:04.720 --> 00:36:06.960 where you can still do some stuff 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.160 to be able to maximize those lanes throughout the year. 00:36:10.160 --> 00:36:12.660 So that's kind of the phase one, working through that. 00:36:12.660 --> 00:36:15.660 One of the biggest challenges is the cost of construction 00:36:15.660 --> 00:36:17.800 keeps going up, and trying to be able to fit that 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.440 into the budget, one of the challenges is making sure 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.400 we're able to fulfill the bond request on there 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:24.740 with some of those different things, 00:36:24.740 --> 00:36:26.480 but that's where we're at on that project. 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.680 That project is getting closer to being able 00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:31.080 to be completed that way. 00:36:31.080 --> 00:36:34.880 So that was the pool, the two bond issues 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:36.520 that we had that way. 00:36:36.520 --> 00:36:39.620 Any general questions on that or anything 00:36:39.620 --> 00:36:43.620 that's dealing with our master planning efforts 00:36:43.620 --> 00:36:45.960 and trying to be able to be good stewards of, 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.660 following the plans, I think that's the biggest thing 00:36:47.660 --> 00:36:48.760 is activating those plans. 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.060 We pay a lot of money to be able to have plans, 00:36:51.060 --> 00:36:52.960 and our job is just to be able to continue 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.780 to activate those and live through what those actions are 00:36:57.780 --> 00:36:59.880 and trying to be able to do those recommendations. 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:01.700 - Questions? 00:37:01.700 --> 00:37:08.980 Obviously on aquatics, been an awful lot of talk 00:37:08.980 --> 00:37:13.420 about the pool in the city off Quaker Town. 00:37:13.420 --> 00:37:15.720 I know that's just a future, right? 00:37:15.720 --> 00:37:18.360 But can you give us any kind of idea 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:20.060 of how you're gonna approach that? 00:37:20.060 --> 00:37:22.160 - Well, I mean, if you look at the master plan 00:37:22.160 --> 00:37:24.340 for the aquatics master plan, it spells it out. 00:37:24.340 --> 00:37:26.340 It's pretty much pretty simple. 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:28.780 There's three recommendations that were made 00:37:28.780 --> 00:37:32.340 in that plan was we maintained business as usual 00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:37.340 with that, accommodating what's there in a number two, 00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:42.180 being able to continue to maintain those programs 00:37:42.180 --> 00:37:45.220 until there's other facilities built 00:37:45.220 --> 00:37:48.220 that may disperse some of the swim teams 00:37:48.220 --> 00:37:49.500 or may disperse some of that, 00:37:49.500 --> 00:37:53.460 and then evaluate that project there then. 00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:55.700 And the third one is really being able to make sure 00:37:55.700 --> 00:37:59.000 we have a capital improvement plan in place 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.540 for an aging facility. 00:38:00.540 --> 00:38:03.400 And we know that that building is aging out, 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.540 and at some point, it's gonna have to have major repairs 00:38:06.540 --> 00:38:08.320 or a replacement on that. 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.280 But when you're looking at, again, 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.860 that's our plan is where we're staying the course 00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:18.360 until we have amenities that can be able to offset that 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.300 before we can make those type of decisions. 00:38:20.300 --> 00:38:23.320 So right now, we're just business as usual. 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.960 The pool is open until further notice, 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.300 as we start to be able to look at other plans 00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:30.700 and trying to be able to deal with what we're maybe dealing 00:38:30.700 --> 00:38:33.540 with Southwest Park and there's other aquatic facilities 00:38:33.540 --> 00:38:35.900 coming on, then seeing what that does 00:38:35.900 --> 00:38:39.480 to the population in traffic. 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.240 But as of right now, we're business as usual 00:38:42.240 --> 00:38:43.420 and staying the course. 00:38:43.420 --> 00:38:46.720 - Any questions? 00:38:46.720 --> 00:38:48.260 Commissioner Prudt? 00:38:48.260 --> 00:38:49.980 - Yeah, I appreciate the information. 00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:55.000 And certainly, our parks department is great, right? 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.860 I sung the praises of our planning department 00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:02.300 for reaching out during the Southeast Denton Plan. 00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:06.340 And I remember the efforts that were done 00:39:06.340 --> 00:39:11.340 during the major parks overall plan back in the 2019 00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:14.620 timeframe, I believe it was. 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.960 And it was, they took advantage of all the places 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.480 they could go, so not doubting that at all. 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.860 I do want to bring up a couple things 00:39:26.860 --> 00:39:31.860 that I see as maybe evidences of the silos 00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:37.040 in local governance that sometimes need 00:39:37.040 --> 00:39:42.040 to be peered at and combined between sort of land use 00:39:43.180 --> 00:39:48.180 objectives and parks and public facilities. 00:39:48.180 --> 00:39:55.420 You know, when I read through our comp plan, 00:39:55.420 --> 00:40:00.420 it continually talks about the synergies 00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:06.260 of public services within the core of town 00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:11.500 and how that can grow things together. 00:40:11.500 --> 00:40:15.580 When I look at the history, I see back in the, 00:40:15.580 --> 00:40:18.780 call it the '80s, I'm sure it's overgeneralization, 00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:24.740 the suburbanization of Denton really kind of 00:40:24.740 --> 00:40:28.480 started to grow and pop like a popcorn kernel. 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:33.220 And then we had a lot of people not in the core 00:40:33.220 --> 00:40:35.160 of Denton anymore, right? 00:40:35.160 --> 00:40:38.600 And so, for whatever reason, our downtown 00:40:38.600 --> 00:40:40.500 has not had very many people there. 00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:43.840 And that's why in these plans that are referred to, 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.380 they make notice that 50% of the people 00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:50.340 using the Civic Center Pool right now are from summer camps. 00:40:50.340 --> 00:40:52.240 Well, it's true, it's mostly true, 00:40:52.240 --> 00:40:54.020 because people don't live downtown. 00:40:54.020 --> 00:40:57.240 As I shared, when we adopted the downtown plan, 00:40:57.240 --> 00:41:01.860 the residential home density downtown is lower 00:41:01.860 --> 00:41:06.860 than that of most suburban neighborhoods that we have, right? 00:41:10.460 --> 00:41:11.960 So we got a lot of work to do. 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:18.000 I see the potential for combined facilities, 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:24.240 and I think our downtown plan harnesses that. 00:41:24.240 --> 00:41:26.900 It shows the importance of having some sort of parkland 00:41:26.900 --> 00:41:28.740 in southern downtown if there's gonna be 00:41:28.740 --> 00:41:30.540 a lot of development activity there. 00:41:30.540 --> 00:41:36.980 I see the potential for a resurgence of students 00:41:36.980 --> 00:41:40.960 and elderly and everybody who might want to live 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.900 in the core of our town to be able to utilize services 00:41:45.900 --> 00:41:48.300 like the Civic Center Pool. 00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:49.660 But it's not cheap, right? 00:41:49.660 --> 00:41:56.060 So I understand the rock and the hard place 00:41:56.060 --> 00:42:01.980 that our Parks Department finds themselves in, 00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:05.320 looking at facilities and well, where could we site them 00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:07.580 so that they would get the most use? 00:42:07.580 --> 00:42:10.320 When I'm looking at it here from a land use perspective, 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.720 I'm thinking how can we make sure that we allow people 00:42:14.720 --> 00:42:18.060 to live where they want so that facilities we have 00:42:18.060 --> 00:42:20.620 can get the most use, right? 00:42:20.620 --> 00:42:23.660 Just as sort of a better bang for the buck perspective. 00:42:23.660 --> 00:42:28.200 So, you know, there's also reference in the comp plan 00:42:28.200 --> 00:42:33.200 about these types of amenities affecting nearby land values 00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:38.040 and therefore drawing more development 00:42:38.040 --> 00:42:38.880 and that sort of thing. 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:43.020 So I would just ask that as we go through 00:42:43.020 --> 00:42:45.460 the implementation phases of these plans, 00:42:45.460 --> 00:42:50.460 we look really hard at does siting civic amenities 00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:58.660 in the outskirts of our town align with 00:42:58.660 --> 00:43:01.260 where we want the growth to occur? 00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:02.540 So, thank you. 00:43:02.540 --> 00:43:05.680 - Thank you, other questions? 00:43:05.680 --> 00:43:12.180 What's the, how often is the master plan looked at? 00:43:12.180 --> 00:43:14.920 Like, what is that timeline for you all? 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:16.680 - Typically a master plan is, you know, 00:43:16.680 --> 00:43:18.860 five to 10 year, you know, type of deal. 00:43:18.860 --> 00:43:22.280 I mean, with ours being just in 2022, 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.020 we're in year two and year three of it. 00:43:24.020 --> 00:43:26.520 So there's a lot that is still needs to be unpacked, 00:43:26.520 --> 00:43:27.900 a lot that we can still address, 00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:30.900 but each year we look at it from a strategic plan 00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:32.660 and try to be able to-- - Okay, that was gonna be 00:43:32.660 --> 00:43:33.860 my next question, so annually you review that? 00:43:33.860 --> 00:43:36.940 - Yeah, you put a strategic plan to try to be able to attack 00:43:36.940 --> 00:43:39.200 some of those concerns or some of those issues 00:43:39.200 --> 00:43:41.800 that were addressed in that master plan 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.920 and try to eat that elephant like one bite at a time 00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:46.480 to, you know, kind of have a plan 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.340 where you're making the right decision, 00:43:48.340 --> 00:43:49.820 especially when you start getting to budget time 00:43:49.820 --> 00:43:52.420 and you start to need resources and things that way, 00:43:52.420 --> 00:43:55.460 but really looking at how do we maximize our resources, 00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:56.720 you know, maximize our partners. 00:43:56.720 --> 00:44:00.000 Right now we're, and in conversations with UNT and TI, 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.300 you know, DISD because their school systems are growing, 00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:04.700 their needs are growing. 00:44:04.700 --> 00:44:08.000 How do we, you know, maximize those resources? 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.060 When you look at, we have a volleyball program 00:44:11.060 --> 00:44:14.640 that's about to kick off that has grown from 45 teams 00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:18.300 or 100 teams and serving over 2,000 youth. 00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:20.320 And right now we're at the, you know, 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:24.140 the mercy of UNT to use their facilities 00:44:24.140 --> 00:44:27.080 as well as DISD to try to use their facilities that way 00:44:27.080 --> 00:44:31.260 where we're renters, we're users of those spaces 00:44:31.260 --> 00:44:32.520 and how do we maximize that? 00:44:32.520 --> 00:44:34.920 Because right now we're getting to that capacity 00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:36.620 when we're looking at our capacity for growth 00:44:36.620 --> 00:44:38.960 that we may have to make some of those tough decisions 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.860 of do we cap our programs? 00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:43.000 And then we have a city that's just growing, 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:44.160 but we don't want to cap, 00:44:44.160 --> 00:44:46.240 but we need those resources to be able to do that. 00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:48.580 So I think, you know, every year we're looking at 00:44:48.580 --> 00:44:51.600 how to be able to activate our plans, 00:44:51.600 --> 00:44:54.220 but also living in a everyday, you know, 00:44:54.220 --> 00:44:57.220 existence of saying, how do we strategically continue 00:44:57.220 --> 00:44:58.920 to be able to serve? 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.360 - And so you're staying on top of any changes 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.060 that occur that you need to be on top of. 00:45:04.060 --> 00:45:05.360 That's great, that's great. 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.520 Anything else? 00:45:07.520 --> 00:45:10.260 Thank you. 00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:11.100 - Thank you. 00:45:11.100 --> 00:45:11.920 - Very much. - Appreciate it. 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.060 - Yeah, I appreciate you being here 00:45:14.060 --> 00:45:16.560 and taking the time and filling us in. 00:45:16.560 --> 00:45:18.540 - This is what we do, you know, this is what we do. 00:45:18.540 --> 00:45:22.640 I mean, this is a part of being able to educate on, 00:45:22.640 --> 00:45:24.940 you know, uniting, growing, and playing together. 00:45:24.940 --> 00:45:27.240 So hopefully you guys took a part of Halloween. 00:45:27.240 --> 00:45:30.140 I think Gary said we're going to cancel next year 00:45:30.140 --> 00:45:31.780 so that we're not doing Halloween for 31 days. 00:45:31.780 --> 00:45:33.420 We're only going to do it... 00:45:33.420 --> 00:45:35.760 (all laughing) 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:36.580 35 days. 00:45:36.580 --> 00:45:41.200 - Starting early. - Starting early. 00:45:41.200 --> 00:45:42.320 There's only what, four weeks, 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:44.260 four weekends in this October coming up. 00:45:44.260 --> 00:45:45.860 So we have to find a way to maximize 00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:47.660 that fifth week somehow, so. 00:45:47.660 --> 00:45:48.800 - Oh, but a new review. 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:49.940 (all laughing) 00:45:49.940 --> 00:45:51.140 You already found a need. 00:45:53.640 --> 00:45:58.640 We do have another report, and that is 3C-PZ24211. 00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:05.860 And I'm thinking we might want to do that as late as it is. 00:46:05.860 --> 00:46:08.620 Why don't we take a quick recess, grab your food, 00:46:08.620 --> 00:46:09.860 come back as soon as you can 00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:12.820 so then Haley can start the presentation. 00:46:12.820 --> 00:46:16.100 We'll go ahead and recess at 6.05. 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:23.480 - Good evening, and welcome to the City of Denton's 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:24.840 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:28.640 for Wednesday, November 13th, 2024. 00:46:28.640 --> 00:46:33.240 With a quorum present, I'll call us to order at 6.36 p.m. 00:46:33.240 --> 00:46:36.320 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.280 to the U.S. and Texas Flags. 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.380 - I pledge allegiance to the flag 00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:45.660 of the United States of America, 00:46:45.660 --> 00:46:48.500 and to the republic for which it stands, 00:46:48.500 --> 00:46:51.760 one nation under God, indivisible, 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.100 with liberty and justice for all. 00:46:54.100 --> 00:46:59.900 Honor the Texas flag, and pledge allegiance to thee, 00:46:59.900 --> 00:47:04.740 Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible. 00:47:04.740 --> 00:47:09.020 - Thank you. 00:47:09.020 --> 00:47:13.580 First item of business for us is to consider approval 00:47:13.580 --> 00:47:16.480 of our minutes from September 25th meeting 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.720 and October 23rd meeting. 00:47:18.720 --> 00:47:20.860 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:47:22.060 --> 00:47:23.520 - Move approval. 00:47:23.520 --> 00:47:24.860 - Thank you, Commissioner Padrone. 00:47:24.860 --> 00:47:25.700 - Second. 00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:27.600 - Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval. 00:47:27.600 --> 00:47:29.460 Any discussion? 00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:31.360 Okay, let's vote on the board, please. 00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:43.180 That motion carries four zero. 00:47:43.180 --> 00:47:46.480 That will take us to our consent agenda for this evening. 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.080 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:47:49.080 --> 00:47:50.180 - Move approval. 00:47:50.180 --> 00:47:51.180 - Commissioner Padrone. 00:47:51.180 --> 00:47:52.180 - Second. 00:47:52.180 --> 00:47:55.160 - First and a second for approval of our consent agenda. 00:47:55.160 --> 00:47:57.020 Any discussion? 00:47:57.020 --> 00:47:58.900 Okay, let's vote on the board, please. 00:47:58.900 --> 00:48:05.760 That motion carries four zero. 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.600 That will take us to items for individual consideration, 00:48:08.600 --> 00:48:13.180 our first being 4A, FP240039. 00:48:13.180 --> 00:48:14.840 Mia is here for presentation. 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:18.680 - Good evening, Chair. 00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:22.280 Members of the commission. 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.580 Give me a second to pull up the presentation here. 00:48:24.580 --> 00:48:46.840 Apologies, this is. 00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:53.040 Okay, here we go. 00:48:53.040 --> 00:48:58.720 All right, Mia Hines, senior planner. 00:48:58.720 --> 00:49:03.060 This is a final plat for the Steward Apartment Addition 00:49:03.060 --> 00:49:05.720 located at the southwest corner of Luke 288 00:49:05.720 --> 00:49:07.160 and Steward Road. 00:49:07.160 --> 00:49:09.200 At this time, the plat does not meet 00:49:09.200 --> 00:49:10.400 all of our criteria for approval, 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:11.760 so we are recommending denial. 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:13.760 However, staff has no objection 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:17.580 to the request of extension to December 11, 2024. 00:49:17.580 --> 00:49:19.140 At this time, I'll take any questions. 00:49:19.140 --> 00:49:19.980 - Thanks, Mia. 00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:21.200 - Any questions from you? 00:49:21.200 --> 00:49:24.180 Thank you very much. 00:49:24.180 --> 00:49:26.620 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:49:26.620 --> 00:49:28.220 - Move approval of the extension request 00:49:28.220 --> 00:49:31.180 to a date certain of December 11, 2024. 00:49:31.180 --> 00:49:32.280 - Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt. 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:33.360 - Second. 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:34.960 - Okay, we've got a first and a second 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:36.360 to approve the extension request 00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.400 to a date certain of December 11, 2024. 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:40.400 Any discussion? 00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.360 Okay, let's go ahead and vote, please. 00:49:49.160 --> 00:49:50.640 That motion carries four, zero. 00:49:50.640 --> 00:49:54.640 That will take us to 4B, ZCP 240034. 00:49:54.640 --> 00:49:57.740 Mia is here once again. 00:49:57.740 --> 00:50:02.140 - Good evening again, Chair. 00:50:02.140 --> 00:50:15.700 Good evening again, Chair, members of the commission, 00:50:15.700 --> 00:50:17.520 Mia Hines, senior planner. 00:50:17.520 --> 00:50:19.360 This item is a zoning compliance plan 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.400 for the Predera at Razor Ranch. 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.440 It's a, the consideration is for a site plan 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:26.800 for new multifamily residential development 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.980 on a lot at approximately eight acres 00:50:29.980 --> 00:50:33.580 located south of Panhandle Street, 200 feet east, 00:50:33.580 --> 00:50:35.940 I'm sorry, west of North Bonnie Bray. 00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:38.380 Adjacent land uses for this development. 00:50:38.380 --> 00:50:40.120 The property itself is undeveloped. 00:50:40.120 --> 00:50:43.560 There are additional multifamily developments 00:50:43.560 --> 00:50:46.480 to the north in developing multifamily 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.620 residences to the north there. 00:50:49.620 --> 00:50:51.720 There's a medical office to the south, 00:50:51.720 --> 00:50:53.700 an undeveloped property to the west, 00:50:53.700 --> 00:50:55.200 and a gas-full and drainage facilities 00:50:55.200 --> 00:50:57.160 to the east of the property. 00:50:57.160 --> 00:51:01.000 The zoning here is the south mixed use district two, 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.880 that's the base zoning within the Razor Ranch overlay, 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.680 and the residential or multifamily residential 00:51:06.680 --> 00:51:09.520 proposed land use that they are trying to develop 00:51:09.520 --> 00:51:11.920 with this site is permitted under that zoning. 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:12.980 Just a little reminder, 00:51:12.980 --> 00:51:14.920 we don't see zoning compliance plans often. 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:18.180 The Razor Ranch overlay does require site plans 00:51:18.180 --> 00:51:21.060 to be approved by the Planning and Zoning Commission 00:51:21.060 --> 00:51:24.260 as opposed to the typical administrative review process 00:51:24.260 --> 00:51:26.220 that we do, and with this review, 00:51:26.220 --> 00:51:28.600 we do have a site plan for you, landscape plan, 00:51:28.600 --> 00:51:31.360 as well as four-sided conceptual building elevations. 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.060 We are looking to make sure that it complies 00:51:34.060 --> 00:51:36.180 with the requirements of the Razor Ranch overlay 00:51:36.180 --> 00:51:39.040 and the approval criteria listed here. 00:51:39.040 --> 00:51:43.340 The site plan itself, just a little detail, 00:51:43.340 --> 00:51:46.680 that full layout has been provided to you in your packet. 00:51:46.680 --> 00:51:49.120 There was an update since the publication 00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:52.280 of the backup for this meeting. 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.280 The minor changes that you might notice 00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:58.160 from what was published and what you have received today 00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:02.300 is that there are some utility relocates 00:52:02.300 --> 00:52:06.000 in this northern corner of this parking row, 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.100 as well as some trees added 00:52:08.100 --> 00:52:11.000 in place of those utilities also. 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:14.180 The proposal comes with a one-residential, 00:52:14.180 --> 00:52:18.080 one-multi-family residential building with 242 units, 00:52:18.080 --> 00:52:23.080 a total of just over 41,000 square feet of open space. 00:52:23.080 --> 00:52:27.480 That includes a pool courtyard area 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.420 within the middle of the building, 00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:31.460 a dog park and a pickleball court 00:52:31.460 --> 00:52:34.260 sort of on the southern end of the building, 00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:37.760 and then parking is per the requirements 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.760 of the proposed unit breakdown at 387 spaces. 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:46.640 And then this site overall has access, 00:52:46.640 --> 00:52:49.500 two driveway accesses to Panhandle Street 00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:51.880 as well as a driveway to the south 00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.840 through this little sort of narrow strip here 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.820 onto Scripture Street. 00:52:56.820 --> 00:53:00.080 They are meeting the landscape requirements. 00:53:00.080 --> 00:53:01.720 The minimum landscape area requirement 00:53:01.720 --> 00:53:03.620 for this sub-area is 10%. 00:53:03.620 --> 00:53:06.320 They are offering 18% as well as 00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:10.200 the minimum tree canopy coverage that is supposed to be 20%. 00:53:10.200 --> 00:53:13.560 They are offering well over that at 37%. 00:53:13.560 --> 00:53:15.560 They are proposing street trees, 00:53:15.560 --> 00:53:17.400 given consideration to existing easements 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:20.600 and things of that nature, and parking will be screened. 00:53:20.600 --> 00:53:24.280 All parking visible from Panhandle Street will be screened. 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:27.120 So here are the proposed conceptual elevations. 00:53:27.120 --> 00:53:28.580 As you can see, they're proposing 00:53:28.580 --> 00:53:31.280 various masonry material for the buildings. 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:35.060 The building itself is supposed to stand at four stories, 00:53:35.060 --> 00:53:36.960 and that is, of course, in keeping 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:40.820 with the razor ranch requirements. 00:53:40.820 --> 00:53:43.220 So again, they are meeting all of our criteria for approval, 00:53:43.220 --> 00:53:46.200 and with that, staff is recommending approval. 00:53:46.200 --> 00:53:48.500 At this time, I will take any questions 00:53:48.500 --> 00:53:50.000 or comments you have. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.460 - Thank you, ma'am. 00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:52.400 Any questions? 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.900 Okay, thank you very much. 00:53:55.900 --> 00:54:04.460 This time, Chair can look for discussion or a motion. 00:54:04.460 --> 00:54:05.620 Commissioner Prueck? 00:54:05.620 --> 00:54:07.640 - I'll move approval as presented. 00:54:07.640 --> 00:54:08.480 - Thank you. 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.760 Second? 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:12.220 I'll go ahead and second. 00:54:12.220 --> 00:54:14.440 Got a first and a second for approval. 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:15.480 Any discussion? 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.700 Okay, let's go ahead and vote, please. 00:54:18.700 --> 00:54:26.580 That motion carries four zero. 00:54:26.580 --> 00:54:30.440 That takes us to four C, FP2, four zero zero three one. 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.620 Angie is here for presentation. 00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:37.520 (clears throat) 00:54:37.520 --> 00:54:42.980 - Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, 00:54:42.980 --> 00:54:45.060 Angie Manglaris, development review manager, 00:54:45.060 --> 00:54:48.600 here to present FP2, four zero zero three one. 00:54:48.600 --> 00:54:51.060 This is a final plat for Hobson Lane. 00:54:51.060 --> 00:54:53.580 It's a storage facility, or proposed storage facility, 00:54:53.580 --> 00:54:55.220 on a zoning of SC. 00:54:55.220 --> 00:54:57.620 It is approximately 2.1 acres of land 00:54:57.620 --> 00:54:59.980 generally situated at the northeast intersection 00:54:59.980 --> 00:55:02.780 of Country Club and Hobson Lane. 00:55:02.780 --> 00:55:05.380 At this time, there are some outstanding comments, 00:55:05.380 --> 00:55:07.740 and staff is recommending denial of this final plat, 00:55:07.740 --> 00:55:10.620 however, has no objection to the request and extension, 00:55:10.620 --> 00:55:13.260 which could be granted to a date certain of December 11th. 00:55:13.260 --> 00:55:15.220 This would be their first extension request. 00:55:15.220 --> 00:55:17.500 I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have. 00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:18.780 - Thank you. 00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:20.100 Questions for Angie? 00:55:20.100 --> 00:55:23.580 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:55:23.580 --> 00:55:25.140 - Move approval of the extension request 00:55:25.140 --> 00:55:28.180 to a date certain of December 11th, 2024. 00:55:28.180 --> 00:55:29.180 - Thank you, Commissioner Prueck? 00:55:29.180 --> 00:55:30.260 - Second. 00:55:30.260 --> 00:55:32.460 - Got a first and a second to grant the extension request 00:55:32.460 --> 00:55:36.260 to a date certain of December 11th, 2024. 00:55:36.260 --> 00:55:37.660 Discussion? 00:55:37.660 --> 00:55:38.920 Okay, let's vote, please. 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:46.980 That motion carries four zero. 00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:49.460 That will take us to our public hearings for this evening. 00:55:49.460 --> 00:55:52.260 I will just make note that public hearing five D, 00:55:52.260 --> 00:55:54.820 that's the last one on the agenda, 00:55:54.820 --> 00:55:56.340 that one will not be heard tonight, 00:55:56.340 --> 00:56:00.140 that is being postponed to our December 11th meeting, 00:56:00.140 --> 00:56:04.980 and that's five D A E S A two four zero zero zero three. 00:56:04.980 --> 00:56:10.380 So with that, we'll move into five A, PD two four zero zero 00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:11.780 zero three. 00:56:11.780 --> 00:56:13.380 I will open the public hearing 00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:15.580 and Angie is here for presentation. 00:56:15.580 --> 00:56:25.340 - Thank you, Chair and members of the commission. 00:56:25.340 --> 00:56:27.460 Angie Manglaris, development review manager, 00:56:27.460 --> 00:56:31.180 I'm here to present PD 24 zero zero zero three, 00:56:31.180 --> 00:56:32.700 the reserves at Brush Creek. 00:56:32.700 --> 00:56:36.900 A little bit about this request and some site data. 00:56:36.900 --> 00:56:40.780 This is a rezoning request from RR and R1 districts 00:56:40.780 --> 00:56:42.300 to a planned development district 00:56:42.300 --> 00:56:44.900 with the base zoning of R4. 00:56:44.900 --> 00:56:48.180 You all did previously see a case on this, 00:56:48.180 --> 00:56:50.380 the subject property a little over a year ago 00:56:50.380 --> 00:56:54.300 in June of 2023, that was a straight zoning request. 00:56:54.300 --> 00:56:56.260 For a total of 18 acres of land 00:56:56.260 --> 00:57:00.820 that contemplated R6 on approximately 15 acres of land 00:57:00.820 --> 00:57:05.100 and SC on the remainder at the hard corner of US 377 00:57:05.100 --> 00:57:06.700 and Brush Creek Road. 00:57:06.700 --> 00:57:09.660 At that time, several members of the public did speak, 00:57:09.660 --> 00:57:11.980 expressing concern specifically surrounding 00:57:11.980 --> 00:57:15.060 the residential uses, the density of R6, 00:57:15.060 --> 00:57:17.220 as well as other residential uses 00:57:17.220 --> 00:57:19.900 that could be allowed by right in the R6 zoning, 00:57:19.900 --> 00:57:22.100 including duplexes and townhomes. 00:57:22.100 --> 00:57:23.500 And the planning and zoning commission 00:57:23.500 --> 00:57:26.100 did recommend denial of that request 00:57:26.100 --> 00:57:29.780 and indicated this development would be best to come back 00:57:29.780 --> 00:57:31.860 as a planned development request 00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:33.940 where the site plan could be specified 00:57:33.940 --> 00:57:35.180 and where the development standards 00:57:35.180 --> 00:57:36.620 could be amended where necessary 00:57:36.620 --> 00:57:39.580 to address some of the residential concerns. 00:57:39.580 --> 00:57:42.500 So that's a little bit of history on this project. 00:57:42.500 --> 00:57:46.060 So this is the rezoning request is for 15.44 acres of land. 00:57:46.060 --> 00:57:48.420 It's generally situated at the Northeast intersection 00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:51.060 of US 377 and Brush Creek Road. 00:57:51.060 --> 00:57:52.820 It is predominantly open pasture. 00:57:52.820 --> 00:57:55.460 It does have an existing residential structure on site 00:57:55.460 --> 00:57:58.180 along with some associated accessory structures. 00:57:58.180 --> 00:58:01.860 It is part of a larger 18 acre tract of land. 00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:04.940 The hard corner is not considered as part of this request 00:58:04.940 --> 00:58:06.900 that will retain the R1 zoning. 00:58:06.900 --> 00:58:09.500 And at a future date, should the applicant wish 00:58:09.500 --> 00:58:12.700 could come in and request a development at that time. 00:58:12.700 --> 00:58:14.020 The future land use in this area 00:58:14.020 --> 00:58:15.900 is predominantly neighborhood mixed use 00:58:15.900 --> 00:58:20.460 with rural residential along the Eastern property line. 00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:25.460 It is surrounded to the North and South by R2 and R1 zoning 00:58:25.460 --> 00:58:27.020 in the city limits. 00:58:27.020 --> 00:58:29.540 To the East is city of Denton ETJ. 00:58:29.540 --> 00:58:32.460 It is a established single family residential neighborhood. 00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:34.860 To the West is US 377. 00:58:34.860 --> 00:58:37.260 Further West of that is PD zoning. 00:58:37.260 --> 00:58:39.460 It is residential is the Sagebrook development 00:58:39.460 --> 00:58:42.140 which is currently under development. 00:58:42.140 --> 00:58:47.580 Road systems in the area to the West is US 377. 00:58:47.580 --> 00:58:49.220 It's a North South roadway. 00:58:49.220 --> 00:58:51.180 It is owned and maintained by TechStot. 00:58:51.180 --> 00:58:54.740 It is designated as a primary arterial on the mobility plan. 00:58:54.740 --> 00:58:57.700 It's ultimately planned to be a six lane undivided roadway. 00:58:57.700 --> 00:58:59.980 At this time, TechStot's project tracker 00:58:59.980 --> 00:59:02.100 does not have an estimated start date 00:59:02.100 --> 00:59:04.580 on when improvements to that roadway would occur. 00:59:04.580 --> 00:59:06.420 Brush Creek Road is located to the South 00:59:06.420 --> 00:59:07.820 of the subject property. 00:59:07.820 --> 00:59:09.380 It is an East West roadway. 00:59:09.380 --> 00:59:11.900 It is designated as a primary arterial 00:59:11.900 --> 00:59:14.020 and ultimately will be realigned Westward 00:59:14.020 --> 00:59:15.460 connecting with Allred Road, 00:59:15.460 --> 00:59:17.980 serving as an East West regional connection. 00:59:20.140 --> 00:59:22.100 So the development plan, 00:59:22.100 --> 00:59:23.340 I'm gonna talk just a little bit 00:59:23.340 --> 00:59:24.580 about the specifics of this plan. 00:59:24.580 --> 00:59:28.500 This is for a 42 lot single family residential development. 00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:30.100 It is a proposed gated community 00:59:30.100 --> 00:59:32.780 with privately owned and maintained streets. 00:59:32.780 --> 00:59:34.740 The development standards which are adopted 00:59:34.740 --> 00:59:37.500 as part of this PD restrict allowable uses 00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:40.380 to single family residential homes as the primary use 00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:42.820 along with some customary accessory uses 00:59:42.820 --> 00:59:46.420 including an accessory structure or a detached garage. 00:59:46.420 --> 00:59:48.660 It does have a base zoning of R4 00:59:48.660 --> 00:59:50.180 with slightly larger lot sizes 00:59:50.180 --> 00:59:52.300 than what is required by DDC 00:59:52.300 --> 00:59:54.860 with 60 feet wide by 120 feet deep 00:59:54.860 --> 00:59:59.100 versus 50 feet wide and 80 feet deep per straight DDC. 00:59:59.100 --> 01:00:02.260 It does add the definition of lot width type B 01:00:02.260 --> 01:00:04.660 which applies to these thoughts here. 01:00:04.660 --> 01:00:05.940 It's really these two. 01:00:05.940 --> 01:00:08.780 We're situated on a curve linear street. 01:00:08.780 --> 01:00:11.620 It takes the lot width at the front line setback 01:00:11.620 --> 01:00:14.140 rather than along the right of way. 01:00:14.140 --> 01:00:17.300 The proposed PD location given that it's situated 01:00:17.300 --> 01:00:19.660 at the intersection of two primary arterials 01:00:19.660 --> 01:00:21.300 is appropriate in scale. 01:00:21.300 --> 01:00:23.380 It does provide a transitional area 01:00:23.380 --> 01:00:24.980 from the higher density developments 01:00:24.980 --> 01:00:28.340 that we are seeing and expect to see along US 377 01:00:28.340 --> 01:00:29.780 to the lower density developments 01:00:29.780 --> 01:00:31.700 in the east in the city's ETJ. 01:00:31.700 --> 01:00:35.220 A little bit about the landscape plan. 01:00:35.220 --> 01:00:36.540 Along the eastern property line, 01:00:36.540 --> 01:00:39.500 the PD does provide a 10 foot wide landscape buffer. 01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:42.500 It consists of a six foot tall masonry wall 01:00:42.500 --> 01:00:44.700 and a continual row of trees. 01:00:44.700 --> 01:00:47.260 The southwestern property line of the PD district 01:00:47.260 --> 01:00:49.780 does provide for a 15 foot wide landscape buffer 01:00:49.780 --> 01:00:53.180 between the developing tract and the remainder tract. 01:00:53.180 --> 01:00:57.940 The development plan includes approximately 8.6 land area 01:00:57.940 --> 01:00:59.180 of open space. 01:00:59.180 --> 01:01:00.500 That includes a retention pond 01:01:00.500 --> 01:01:03.300 as well as some passive recreational areas 01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:06.540 that are linked through an internal sidewalk. 01:01:06.540 --> 01:01:09.020 Where street tree requirements could not be met 01:01:09.020 --> 01:01:11.540 at our rate of one tree per every 30 linear feet, 01:01:11.540 --> 01:01:13.580 those trees were placed in HOA lots 01:01:13.580 --> 01:01:18.140 for a total of 15 street trees situated in HOA lots. 01:01:18.140 --> 01:01:21.900 This was reviewed in accordance 01:01:21.900 --> 01:01:23.700 with our general criteria for approval 01:01:23.700 --> 01:01:25.180 as well as criteria for approval 01:01:25.180 --> 01:01:27.380 for plan development districts. 01:01:27.380 --> 01:01:28.860 Staff is recommending approval. 01:01:28.860 --> 01:01:31.700 It is consistent with the comprehensive plan. 01:01:31.700 --> 01:01:35.220 It does provide a greater level of specificity and detail 01:01:35.220 --> 01:01:37.580 than required by the DDC. 01:01:37.580 --> 01:01:41.100 It is intended to promote compatibility with the area 01:01:41.100 --> 01:01:43.120 and minimize adverse impacts. 01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:45.820 A little bit more about that. 01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:49.540 As stated earlier, predominantly the future land use 01:01:49.540 --> 01:01:52.060 for this area is neighborhood mixed use 01:01:52.060 --> 01:01:55.220 which calls for predominantly residential development. 01:01:55.220 --> 01:01:58.620 It does note that some local serving retail uses 01:01:58.620 --> 01:02:01.580 are appropriate along the eastern property line 01:02:01.580 --> 01:02:05.340 is some rural areas future land use designation 01:02:05.340 --> 01:02:08.900 as you transition further east toward the city's ETJ. 01:02:08.900 --> 01:02:12.260 The subject property does serve as that transitional area 01:02:12.260 --> 01:02:14.900 as stated earlier from the higher intensity 01:02:14.900 --> 01:02:17.580 and density uses along US 377 01:02:17.580 --> 01:02:20.140 as you move east towards the city's ETJ. 01:02:20.140 --> 01:02:23.540 The PD does limit allowable land uses 01:02:23.540 --> 01:02:25.660 and it establishes enhanced design standards 01:02:25.660 --> 01:02:28.080 that are intended to reduce incompatibilities. 01:02:28.080 --> 01:02:32.220 This is also consistent with the population projections 01:02:32.220 --> 01:02:36.300 of the 2040 comprehensive plan, specifically table 1.3 01:02:36.300 --> 01:02:38.480 which calls for the additional need 01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.420 for approximately 19,800 single family detached housing 01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:43.860 units in the city. 01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:47.140 This development would provide an additional 42 units. 01:02:47.140 --> 01:02:49.580 Likewise, it is consistent with goal HN1 01:02:49.580 --> 01:02:51.380 to develop and maintain a housing stock 01:02:51.380 --> 01:02:53.480 that meets the needs of all residents. 01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:57.020 There is no ESA or other areas designated 01:02:57.020 --> 01:03:00.540 to be preserved on our maps and so it is consistent 01:03:00.540 --> 01:03:02.580 with the preferred land preservation plan. 01:03:02.580 --> 01:03:07.300 Just a little bit more in detail 01:03:07.300 --> 01:03:09.820 regarding design standards and compatibility. 01:03:09.820 --> 01:03:13.520 There are a couple standards that I'd like to point out 01:03:13.520 --> 01:03:15.840 where this PD proposes a greater level of detail 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:18.900 than what will be required by the DDC by right. 01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:21.380 So first, this PD is not introducing any new 01:03:21.380 --> 01:03:23.980 or incompatible activities to the area. 01:03:23.980 --> 01:03:26.380 As I said, they are restricting the allowable uses 01:03:26.380 --> 01:03:28.900 in the zoning to single family residential 01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:30.880 and customary accessory uses. 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.080 When residential is developing adjacent 01:03:34.080 --> 01:03:37.460 to existing residential, the DDC compatibility 01:03:37.460 --> 01:03:40.260 buffer requirements do not require any additional buffering 01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:42.460 between those two land uses. 01:03:42.460 --> 01:03:45.100 The applicant is providing a 10 foot wide landscape buffer 01:03:45.100 --> 01:03:47.060 along the eastern property line of the PD 01:03:47.060 --> 01:03:49.820 where adjacent to existing single family. 01:03:49.820 --> 01:03:52.420 Likewise, a 15 foot wide landscape buffer 01:03:52.420 --> 01:03:54.820 is being provided along the southwestern property line 01:03:54.820 --> 01:03:58.860 of the PD district next to the undeveloped out parcel. 01:03:58.860 --> 01:04:01.180 The landscaped HOA lots are intended to provide 01:04:01.180 --> 01:04:03.720 some visual relief along public rights of way 01:04:03.720 --> 01:04:07.300 and the PD is proposing a slightly larger R4 lot size 01:04:07.300 --> 01:04:10.120 which will maximize distance between the existing homes 01:04:10.120 --> 01:04:11.760 in the proposed new development. 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:17.640 Public outreach was conducted in accordance with state law 01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:20.060 and the Denton Development Code. 01:04:20.060 --> 01:04:21.740 This property is, as we stated, 01:04:21.740 --> 01:04:24.540 bordered by some land area in the ETJ. 01:04:24.540 --> 01:04:26.380 So six notices were mailed to property owners 01:04:26.380 --> 01:04:30.060 within 200 feet and 70 postcards were sent out 01:04:30.060 --> 01:04:32.180 to those within 500 feet. 01:04:32.180 --> 01:04:35.460 Several emails have been received since the packet did go out 01:04:35.460 --> 01:04:37.460 and those have been forwarded to you. 01:04:37.460 --> 01:04:41.420 Since the last time a case on this site was considered 01:04:41.420 --> 01:04:42.760 by the Planning and Zoning Commission, 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.260 the applicant has held three neighborhood meetings. 01:04:45.260 --> 01:04:48.340 Staff is recommending approval 01:04:48.340 --> 01:04:50.520 as it meets our general criteria for approval 01:04:50.520 --> 01:04:51.980 as well as criteria for approval 01:04:51.980 --> 01:04:53.580 for plan development districts. 01:04:53.580 --> 01:04:57.020 The next step would be city council on December 3rd. 01:04:57.020 --> 01:04:59.280 I am happy to answer any questions you all may have. 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.140 The applicant is also here with a presentation 01:05:01.140 --> 01:05:03.020 and they can answer any questions you have. 01:05:03.020 --> 01:05:04.620 - Great, thank you Angie. 01:05:04.620 --> 01:05:05.780 Questions for Angie? 01:05:05.780 --> 01:05:11.100 Quick one, with Sagebrook you mentioned it's zoned PD. 01:05:11.100 --> 01:05:13.060 It does not have an underlying zoning? 01:05:13.060 --> 01:05:17.500 - It does, it may be R6, 01:05:17.500 --> 01:05:20.260 but I can check that real quick and come back and confirm. 01:05:20.260 --> 01:05:22.580 - Yeah, and that's what it looks like to me as well. 01:05:22.580 --> 01:05:23.980 - It's R6, yes, it's R6. 01:05:23.980 --> 01:05:25.420 - Yeah, okay, very good. 01:05:25.420 --> 01:05:26.460 Thank you. 01:05:26.460 --> 01:05:27.620 Anything else for Angie? 01:05:28.940 --> 01:05:31.600 Okay, with that then, we'll go ahead 01:05:31.600 --> 01:05:34.660 and invite the applicant down for presentation. 01:05:34.660 --> 01:05:44.780 Hi, if you'll give us your name, 01:05:44.780 --> 01:05:45.600 your time will begin. 01:05:45.600 --> 01:05:46.980 - Hello, good evening commissioners. 01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:48.380 My name's Omar Awais. 01:05:48.380 --> 01:05:50.660 I am the owner of Kana Capital 01:05:50.660 --> 01:05:53.820 and we are representing the owner of this property 01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:56.460 under our Kana Consulting business. 01:05:56.460 --> 01:05:59.940 And you wanna introduce yourself as well? 01:05:59.940 --> 01:06:01.500 - Addison Rogers, I'm the director 01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:03.540 of community planning for Toll Brothers. 01:06:03.540 --> 01:06:04.820 - Great. 01:06:04.820 --> 01:06:05.700 - Great. 01:06:05.700 --> 01:06:07.300 I think we have a presentation. 01:06:07.300 --> 01:06:12.720 (Annie laughs) 01:06:12.720 --> 01:06:16.740 Is it up here? 01:06:16.740 --> 01:06:17.820 - Sorry, yeah. 01:06:17.820 --> 01:06:26.160 - There we go, awesome. 01:06:26.160 --> 01:06:28.100 All right, good evening commissioners. 01:06:28.100 --> 01:06:29.460 It's good to see you again. 01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:32.140 Last time you saw me was about a year ago 01:06:32.140 --> 01:06:35.880 and I wanted to quickly go through some of the history here. 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:37.940 Just as a reminder, I know Angie did a great job 01:06:37.940 --> 01:06:40.140 with going through everything that's happened 01:06:40.140 --> 01:06:42.120 over the last year on this. 01:06:42.120 --> 01:06:45.500 But this property has been presented to PNZ 01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:46.660 more than just one time. 01:06:46.660 --> 01:06:49.740 I think it's probably three, maybe even four times. 01:06:49.740 --> 01:06:54.060 And it started off with a multifamily proposal 01:06:54.060 --> 01:06:55.620 that obviously didn't go through. 01:06:55.620 --> 01:06:58.420 It went to a different kind of multifamily. 01:06:58.420 --> 01:06:59.260 That didn't go through. 01:06:59.260 --> 01:07:02.180 And then the last time was with me and I came in 01:07:02.180 --> 01:07:05.300 and we presented an R6 zoning 01:07:05.300 --> 01:07:08.140 and presented 40 foot lots in the neighborhood. 01:07:08.140 --> 01:07:10.960 I wanna say it was somewhere in the range of 60 to 75 lots. 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:12.900 I forget how many lots it was. 01:07:12.900 --> 01:07:16.260 And obviously that was denied due to a lot of opposition 01:07:16.260 --> 01:07:19.500 from both the neighbors and then several comments 01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:21.920 that we received from PNZ. 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:26.340 So since we started working on this project, 01:07:26.340 --> 01:07:28.580 we've held neighborhood meetings, 01:07:28.580 --> 01:07:30.620 quite a few of them, six total neighborhood meetings. 01:07:30.620 --> 01:07:34.400 And we've had attendance from a lot of the residents. 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:37.460 The folks that we've invited to these neighborhood meetings 01:07:37.460 --> 01:07:39.340 were not just people within the city of Denton. 01:07:39.340 --> 01:07:42.040 It was also with folks within the ETJ. 01:07:42.040 --> 01:07:43.260 We wanted to reach out to everybody 01:07:43.260 --> 01:07:45.120 that was surrounding the area 01:07:45.120 --> 01:07:48.040 to make sure that neighbors were involved in this process. 01:07:48.040 --> 01:07:50.820 Now we've obviously received a lot of comments from neighbors. 01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:53.760 The biggest one is we'd rather not see anything developed here. 01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:55.620 Short of that, we were trying to take as many comments 01:07:55.620 --> 01:07:57.220 as we can from the neighbors 01:07:57.220 --> 01:07:59.580 and try to incorporate as much as we possibly can 01:07:59.580 --> 01:08:02.420 into the plan while also making it possible 01:08:02.420 --> 01:08:04.180 for us to develop it. 01:08:04.180 --> 01:08:07.820 So I went through just five really five big points here 01:08:07.820 --> 01:08:11.420 on what we've done since the last time we've been here. 01:08:11.420 --> 01:08:13.500 One of the biggest comments that we got was 01:08:13.500 --> 01:08:14.900 if you do an R6 zoning, 01:08:14.900 --> 01:08:18.560 by right you might be able to do duplexes and townhomes 01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:22.280 and potentially high density type development out here. 01:08:22.280 --> 01:08:24.360 The recommendation was to come back with a PD 01:08:24.360 --> 01:08:27.900 with a set number of lots, single family, 01:08:27.900 --> 01:08:30.800 and a whole bunch of other requirements and restrictions, 01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:32.740 which I'm sure you're all familiar with the PDs 01:08:32.740 --> 01:08:34.060 in the city of Denton. 01:08:34.060 --> 01:08:37.100 They can be very detailed and quite a bit of work goes 01:08:37.100 --> 01:08:39.580 into pulling those documents together. 01:08:39.580 --> 01:08:43.700 So we've pretty much spent the last year going through that. 01:08:43.700 --> 01:08:47.700 One of the other comments we got was neighbors to the east 01:08:47.700 --> 01:08:51.140 really wanted some privacy on the east side backing up 01:08:51.140 --> 01:08:52.220 to their houses. 01:08:52.220 --> 01:08:56.660 So it was suggested that we put up a six foot masonry 01:08:56.660 --> 01:08:59.160 screening wall on the east side. 01:08:59.160 --> 01:09:00.180 We did that. 01:09:00.180 --> 01:09:04.260 In addition to that, we also put a landscape buffer 01:09:04.260 --> 01:09:06.780 so that we can plant a whole bunch of trees all the way down 01:09:06.780 --> 01:09:09.500 and provide even an extra layer of privacy on there. 01:09:09.500 --> 01:09:12.060 So you can see that on the exhibit there 01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:14.860 where the green line is on the east side of the property. 01:09:15.740 --> 01:09:19.060 One other comment we got was from the neighbors. 01:09:19.060 --> 01:09:23.460 That was not from you commissioners was bringing homes 01:09:23.460 --> 01:09:27.060 in the two to $300,000 range with impact values 01:09:27.060 --> 01:09:29.420 for specialty properties to the east. 01:09:29.420 --> 01:09:32.960 One really only way to be able to help accommodate 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:35.340 some of those comments was to turn this into a, 01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:37.420 more of a luxury neighborhood. 01:09:37.420 --> 01:09:40.980 And the way to do that is really two ways. 01:09:40.980 --> 01:09:43.860 One, which is increase the size of the lots 01:09:43.860 --> 01:09:45.660 so you can increase the size of the homes 01:09:45.660 --> 01:09:46.620 which we've done here. 01:09:46.620 --> 01:09:49.100 We went from 40 foot lots to not 50 foot lots, 01:09:49.100 --> 01:09:53.540 but 60 foot lots and reduced our lot countdown to 42 lots. 01:09:53.540 --> 01:09:55.500 The second thing we did was convert this 01:09:55.500 --> 01:09:58.220 to a gated community, which allows us to be able 01:09:58.220 --> 01:10:02.020 to build more luxurious home in this neighborhood 01:10:02.020 --> 01:10:04.420 and allows us to be able to charge more per square foot 01:10:04.420 --> 01:10:08.040 because gated communities help us accommodate that. 01:10:08.040 --> 01:10:11.280 One other comment that we received also last time 01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:16.020 we were here is you all wanted very specific information 01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:18.700 on who the builder was gonna be and pictures and images 01:10:18.700 --> 01:10:20.180 of what houses were gonna be built here 01:10:20.180 --> 01:10:21.860 just to be able to visualize what this neighborhood 01:10:21.860 --> 01:10:22.900 is gonna look like. 01:10:22.900 --> 01:10:25.800 So we're happy to say that we have Toll Brothers on board. 01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:28.460 I'm sure you're all very familiar with Toll Brothers. 01:10:28.460 --> 01:10:29.700 They're very big in DFW. 01:10:29.700 --> 01:10:32.020 They're actually very big nationally. 01:10:32.020 --> 01:10:34.700 They're a great luxury builder all around the Metroplex. 01:10:34.700 --> 01:10:36.140 I know they have some projects in Denton 01:10:36.140 --> 01:10:36.980 that they're doing right now, 01:10:36.980 --> 01:10:39.880 along with a lot of other surrounding cities. 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:41.900 So I invited Addison here with me 01:10:41.900 --> 01:10:43.380 right after I finished with this slide. 01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:45.080 He'll go through exactly the houses 01:10:45.080 --> 01:10:46.740 that we're planning on building in this neighborhood 01:10:46.740 --> 01:10:48.180 so everybody can get a good look 01:10:48.180 --> 01:10:50.480 of what that's gonna look like. 01:10:50.480 --> 01:10:53.600 Back to the gated community. 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:55.100 One of the comments that we also received 01:10:55.100 --> 01:10:57.640 was maintenance on public streets 01:10:57.640 --> 01:10:59.920 and reducing the burden on the city 01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:03.180 to maintain streets for new developments. 01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:04.900 That was another reason that we converted this 01:11:04.900 --> 01:11:07.900 to a gated community so that the HOA and the residents 01:11:07.900 --> 01:11:09.980 can maintain the streets and it wouldn't be 01:11:09.980 --> 01:11:12.460 an additional burden on the city of Denton. 01:11:12.460 --> 01:11:17.580 Really, all in all, look, we've gone through this 01:11:17.580 --> 01:11:19.500 for quite some time now. 01:11:19.500 --> 01:11:22.540 As the developers, I feel like we've given up 01:11:22.540 --> 01:11:25.340 quite a bit for this property and to accommodate 01:11:25.340 --> 01:11:27.120 what surrounding residents want, 01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:29.900 what you all commissioners would want, 01:11:29.900 --> 01:11:31.520 and what the city would like to see. 01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:35.280 We've really tried to provide a really nice product here, 01:11:35.280 --> 01:11:36.620 something that the city can be proud of, 01:11:36.620 --> 01:11:38.340 something that we can be proud of, 01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:43.340 and we've readjusted and reworked through the land plan 01:11:43.340 --> 01:11:45.900 many, many times at this point, 01:11:45.900 --> 01:11:49.620 and I feel like this is something that will not only 01:11:49.620 --> 01:11:51.660 be able to allow us to be able to develop this property 01:11:51.660 --> 01:11:54.220 that's been sitting out here for a really long time, 01:11:54.220 --> 01:11:56.660 but it would also allow us to build something 01:11:56.660 --> 01:11:59.260 that works in this area. 01:11:59.260 --> 01:12:01.860 It's a good transition spot between the acre lots 01:12:01.860 --> 01:12:05.460 to the east and the 40, 50 foot lots to the west, 01:12:05.460 --> 01:12:08.380 and having Toll Brothers on board to do this 01:12:08.380 --> 01:12:10.660 only adds to the legitimacy of the project 01:12:10.660 --> 01:12:13.340 along with the luxurious and beautiful aspects 01:12:13.340 --> 01:12:15.640 of the homes that we're gonna be able to build here. 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:18.460 So I'll stop talking here and we'll go to the next slide 01:12:18.460 --> 01:12:21.380 here and I'll let Addison start going through Toll Brothers. 01:12:21.380 --> 01:12:22.220 - Appreciate it, Omar. 01:12:22.220 --> 01:12:24.580 So as I mentioned earlier, my name's Addison Rogers, 01:12:24.580 --> 01:12:26.020 Director of Community Planning for Toll Brothers 01:12:26.020 --> 01:12:27.220 here in Dallas. 01:12:27.220 --> 01:12:29.180 For any of you guys that may not be overly familiar 01:12:29.180 --> 01:12:31.860 with Toll, who we are, we are a national home builder 01:12:31.860 --> 01:12:34.780 currently building in about 60 markets across 24 states 01:12:34.780 --> 01:12:37.660 and across this great country. 01:12:37.660 --> 01:12:40.460 With that said, up in front of you is this slide 01:12:40.460 --> 01:12:41.340 that's from our website. 01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:43.980 It kinda highlights the pillars of who we are as a company 01:12:43.980 --> 01:12:45.420 and what we believe. 01:12:45.420 --> 01:12:48.180 Most specifically, the idea that we wanna build 01:12:48.180 --> 01:12:51.380 in prestigious locations, communities like the Preserve 01:12:51.380 --> 01:12:53.380 at Brush Creek and Denton. 01:12:53.380 --> 01:12:55.340 We have featured distinctive architecture 01:12:55.340 --> 01:12:57.580 that also goes with unrivaled choice. 01:12:57.580 --> 01:12:59.780 That's kind of the combination of the uniqueness 01:12:59.780 --> 01:13:02.700 of the plans that we bring as well as our individual 01:13:02.700 --> 01:13:04.620 selections that we offer to our buyers, 01:13:04.620 --> 01:13:07.540 be that as offered options inside of the home 01:13:07.540 --> 01:13:09.180 or structural options that they can add 01:13:09.180 --> 01:13:11.060 to make each individual home unique 01:13:11.060 --> 01:13:12.540 to their individual family 01:13:12.540 --> 01:13:14.380 and how they intend to use the property. 01:13:14.380 --> 01:13:17.580 And lastly, it's that idea of extraordinary customer service 01:13:17.580 --> 01:13:19.660 from the second that you walk into 01:13:19.660 --> 01:13:21.340 any one of our model selling centers 01:13:21.340 --> 01:13:23.420 through the last end of warranty meeting 01:13:23.420 --> 01:13:25.020 that you'll have with our team 01:13:25.020 --> 01:13:27.900 as your home expires the structural foundational warranty 01:13:27.900 --> 01:13:29.660 many years down the line. 01:13:29.660 --> 01:13:31.940 Our goal is just to deliver an experience to our buyers 01:13:31.940 --> 01:13:35.420 that's unmatched in the new home production world. 01:13:35.420 --> 01:13:37.220 With that, we're just gonna chat quickly 01:13:37.220 --> 01:13:39.900 on some of the intended architectural styles 01:13:39.900 --> 01:13:42.900 that we would love to see built in this community. 01:13:42.900 --> 01:13:44.540 Very similar, if you guys are familiar 01:13:44.540 --> 01:13:46.780 with our Vickery project down in Copper Canyon, 01:13:46.780 --> 01:13:48.220 you can see some of this architecture 01:13:48.220 --> 01:13:50.180 that's been built in that community. 01:13:50.180 --> 01:13:52.460 As Omar mentioned, we're also currently building in Denton 01:13:52.460 --> 01:13:55.140 in our Parkview community, which has been a great success 01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:58.020 for both us and I believe the city of Denton as well. 01:13:58.020 --> 01:14:00.900 In front of you, this is our Hill Country elevation. 01:14:00.900 --> 01:14:04.540 So this is an ode to kind of the both Hill Country in Texas 01:14:04.540 --> 01:14:07.860 and more Southwestern architectural style. 01:14:07.860 --> 01:14:10.940 These plans are gonna feature stone as well as some stucco 01:14:10.940 --> 01:14:12.740 and some metal roof accents. 01:14:12.740 --> 01:14:14.340 Again, just really calling into 01:14:14.340 --> 01:14:16.700 that Southwestern architecture. 01:14:16.700 --> 01:14:19.940 Our Tudor elevations are a modern spin 01:14:19.940 --> 01:14:22.300 on what has been a very traditional plan. 01:14:22.300 --> 01:14:23.860 Those are gonna be a painted brick 01:14:23.860 --> 01:14:27.300 as well as the just modern steep pitch roof lines 01:14:27.300 --> 01:14:30.340 as you would see common to a Tudor plan. 01:14:30.340 --> 01:14:34.700 Classic, this is a minimalist plan, if you will. 01:14:34.700 --> 01:14:36.420 The devil here is in the details. 01:14:36.420 --> 01:14:37.740 It's in the small brick detailing, 01:14:37.740 --> 01:14:39.260 the soldier courses, brick rows. 01:14:39.260 --> 01:14:42.060 And again, that painted brick, just super elegant 01:14:42.060 --> 01:14:44.740 when delivered as we can in our communities. 01:14:44.740 --> 01:14:47.940 Modern farmhouse, contemporary twist 01:14:47.940 --> 01:14:50.420 on a staple that built this country 01:14:50.420 --> 01:14:52.900 across the United States. 01:14:52.900 --> 01:14:54.660 Again, vertical board and batten 01:14:54.660 --> 01:14:58.220 as a primary distinctive decorative feature 01:14:58.220 --> 01:15:01.300 as well as some stone stucco and brick work as well. 01:15:01.300 --> 01:15:03.580 And then last one that we'll talk about quickly 01:15:03.580 --> 01:15:05.500 is just our Mediterranean, 01:15:05.500 --> 01:15:09.060 whether that be products similar to like a French Riviera 01:15:09.060 --> 01:15:11.100 or more on the Iberian Peninsula 01:15:11.100 --> 01:15:14.140 or even towards the GNC area in Greece. 01:15:14.140 --> 01:15:16.060 But these are that typical low pitch, 01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:19.100 they will have a tile roof that you can see is, 01:15:19.100 --> 01:15:21.260 again, super popular both in North Texas 01:15:21.260 --> 01:15:23.220 and a classic piece of architecture. 01:15:23.220 --> 01:15:26.220 With that, any questions? 01:15:26.220 --> 01:15:27.060 We're here. 01:15:28.660 --> 01:15:30.260 Let me find, I'm gonna switch my screen back 01:15:30.260 --> 01:15:32.460 to see if we've got any questions for you. 01:15:32.460 --> 01:15:34.780 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:15:34.780 --> 01:15:36.780 - Thank you, Chair, this is for Omar. 01:15:36.780 --> 01:15:39.940 Appreciate you coming back with this compromise plan. 01:15:39.940 --> 01:15:41.660 I know in the backup material, 01:15:41.660 --> 01:15:44.100 and you mentioned during your presentation, 01:15:44.100 --> 01:15:46.700 that you had three additional meetings with the community. 01:15:46.700 --> 01:15:49.740 At the end of the meetings, the community, 01:15:49.740 --> 01:15:52.020 were they amenable to your compromise plan? 01:15:52.020 --> 01:15:54.100 Were they amenable to the changes you were making? 01:15:54.100 --> 01:15:59.100 - So I'd say, in all honesty, 75% were probably not. 01:15:59.100 --> 01:16:02.020 We had a meeting a couple of weeks ago, 01:16:02.020 --> 01:16:03.780 one person showed up to that meeting 01:16:03.780 --> 01:16:06.220 and they were not on board with the project. 01:16:06.220 --> 01:16:08.460 Even we tried to explain everything that we've done. 01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:11.060 The meeting before that was probably a little bit better. 01:16:11.060 --> 01:16:13.620 There were some conversations about what can we possibly do 01:16:13.620 --> 01:16:14.780 and we talked about that, 01:16:14.780 --> 01:16:16.580 including the fence on the east side, 01:16:16.580 --> 01:16:20.100 including the pond and having the fountain in it 01:16:20.100 --> 01:16:21.540 and all the landscaping going on there 01:16:21.540 --> 01:16:23.980 and making it gated and talked about traffic issues 01:16:23.980 --> 01:16:25.740 and the TIA that we did. 01:16:25.740 --> 01:16:29.860 So we really tried, it's a judgment call. 01:16:29.860 --> 01:16:31.220 I guess we'll find out tonight. 01:16:31.220 --> 01:16:32.860 I'm sure you'll hear a lot of opposition to this, 01:16:32.860 --> 01:16:35.460 but we really did try the best that we could 01:16:35.460 --> 01:16:38.300 and took a lot of the comments and just did what we could. 01:16:38.300 --> 01:16:43.860 I think intent is a really important thing here. 01:16:43.860 --> 01:16:45.860 The fact that we reached out to residents 01:16:45.860 --> 01:16:48.540 that were not in the city of Denton, that were in the ETJ, 01:16:48.540 --> 01:16:50.780 just to make sure, because they're neighbors, 01:16:50.780 --> 01:16:52.580 we wanted to make sure we did the right thing. 01:16:52.580 --> 01:16:55.100 We invited everybody we possibly could to these meetings. 01:16:55.100 --> 01:16:57.220 We send out things in the mail. 01:16:57.220 --> 01:16:59.220 We reached out to HOAs to let them know, 01:16:59.220 --> 01:17:01.860 to blast it out that there's a neighborhood meeting happening. 01:17:01.860 --> 01:17:03.100 So we did the best we could, 01:17:03.100 --> 01:17:06.780 but I obviously can't make everybody happy. 01:17:06.780 --> 01:17:07.700 - Appreciate your perspective. 01:17:07.700 --> 01:17:09.300 Looking forward to hearing from the community. 01:17:09.300 --> 01:17:10.460 Thanks. - Yep, thank you. 01:17:10.460 --> 01:17:11.700 - Thanks. 01:17:11.700 --> 01:17:14.020 Anything else for our applicant? 01:17:14.020 --> 01:17:17.020 Omar, let me ask you this. 01:17:17.020 --> 01:17:22.020 With the line of trees that will buffer that neighborhood, 01:17:22.380 --> 01:17:26.620 to the east, what are you thinking, envisioning? 01:17:26.620 --> 01:17:28.380 'Cause all those have to be planted, right? 01:17:28.380 --> 01:17:29.580 There's nothing there now. 01:17:29.580 --> 01:17:30.420 - There's nothing there now. 01:17:30.420 --> 01:17:32.100 So not only is there a line of trees, 01:17:32.100 --> 01:17:35.620 there's also a six foot brick screening wall 01:17:35.620 --> 01:17:36.940 in addition to that. 01:17:36.940 --> 01:17:38.700 I believe we call out the type of trees 01:17:38.700 --> 01:17:39.540 that we have on there. 01:17:39.540 --> 01:17:41.860 What will end up happening is once those houses are built, 01:17:41.860 --> 01:17:43.340 'cause you don't wanna plant the trees too early 01:17:43.340 --> 01:17:45.660 and then home building starts, you tear those trees up. 01:17:45.660 --> 01:17:47.780 So what will happen is part of the development, 01:17:47.780 --> 01:17:48.940 we'll put the screening wall up 01:17:48.940 --> 01:17:51.540 to provide that privacy immediately. 01:17:51.540 --> 01:17:52.820 And then once the houses are built, 01:17:52.820 --> 01:17:53.980 with every house that gets built, 01:17:53.980 --> 01:17:55.900 Toll Brothers will come in and they put the trees 01:17:55.900 --> 01:17:58.540 in the backyard within that easement. 01:17:58.540 --> 01:18:00.500 All that's included not only in the PD, 01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:04.820 but it's included in the CCNRs and the HOA guidelines 01:18:04.820 --> 01:18:06.780 to make sure that those trees get planted. 01:18:06.780 --> 01:18:09.700 Whether Toll decides to wanna do them or not, it can't. 01:18:09.700 --> 01:18:12.220 It's in the CCNRs and it has to be done that way. 01:18:12.220 --> 01:18:15.260 Otherwise, the HOA will have to come in and do it for them. 01:18:15.260 --> 01:18:17.060 - Okay, good, great. 01:18:17.060 --> 01:18:19.900 Anything else at the moment? 01:18:20.780 --> 01:18:23.380 Okay, we'll let y'all sit down and we'll call you back up 01:18:23.380 --> 01:18:24.220 if we've got other questions. 01:18:24.220 --> 01:18:25.060 - Perfect, thank you for your time. 01:18:25.060 --> 01:18:25.940 - Sure, thank you. 01:18:25.940 --> 01:18:30.860 I don't have any cards wishing to speak. 01:18:30.860 --> 01:18:33.900 I've got a couple of cards not wishing to speak. 01:18:33.900 --> 01:18:36.140 So when I call you, if you want to speak 01:18:36.140 --> 01:18:38.980 and you've changed your mind, please raise your hand. 01:18:38.980 --> 01:18:44.580 If you will then give all the cards, please, 01:18:44.580 --> 01:18:48.300 to our secretary, that would be great. 01:18:48.300 --> 01:18:49.860 That way I'll have the cards. 01:18:51.540 --> 01:18:53.780 (laughing) 01:18:53.780 --> 01:19:01.020 In the meantime, I'll call out what I have now. 01:19:01.020 --> 01:19:06.020 Jay Suk is in opposition, not wishing to speak. 01:19:06.020 --> 01:19:11.860 David, it's hard for me to read that. 01:19:11.860 --> 01:19:16.860 David and Shen Brunson in opposition, not wishing to speak. 01:19:18.140 --> 01:19:22.180 Amy Blackburn in opposition, not wishing to speak. 01:19:22.180 --> 01:19:24.000 Okay. 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:31.460 Let's see, I've got Carol Hasley is wishing to speak 01:19:31.460 --> 01:19:36.660 or I probably said your name wrong and I apologize. 01:19:36.660 --> 01:19:46.460 - Hi. - Hi. 01:19:46.460 --> 01:19:48.300 - If you could just state your name, your time will begin. 01:19:48.300 --> 01:19:51.740 - Carol Hasley, I live in the hills of Argyle 01:19:51.740 --> 01:19:55.020 which is right behind this development. 01:19:55.020 --> 01:19:58.340 I'm gonna admit that I'm not really prepared. 01:19:58.340 --> 01:20:02.040 We were here last time when it was the other proposal. 01:20:02.040 --> 01:20:06.340 I guess I wanna know with a, 01:20:06.340 --> 01:20:10.460 it came up last time, this whole plan development. 01:20:10.460 --> 01:20:14.940 How do we hold them to what they say 01:20:14.940 --> 01:20:18.540 if it gets approved because those are the details 01:20:18.540 --> 01:20:19.900 I don't understand. 01:20:19.900 --> 01:20:25.780 I'm still not sure that R4 sounds like the right buffer. 01:20:25.780 --> 01:20:31.160 Gated community, how do they, 01:20:31.160 --> 01:20:34.100 what happens when they don't do that? 01:20:34.100 --> 01:20:35.900 What happens when it's not gated? 01:20:35.900 --> 01:20:40.660 What happens when it's not the luxury development? 01:20:41.900 --> 01:20:45.900 Can you, yeah, I just have a lot of questions 01:20:45.900 --> 01:20:49.060 so every instinct in me is to still be opposed to it. 01:20:49.060 --> 01:20:52.100 - Thank you for sharing that. 01:20:52.100 --> 01:20:56.180 I'm gonna actually have Tina address some of your questions 01:20:56.180 --> 01:20:58.820 'cause yeah, most of your concerns 01:20:58.820 --> 01:21:02.200 are actually written in this PD, so. 01:21:02.200 --> 01:21:06.780 - Thank you, I was trying to make sure 01:21:06.780 --> 01:21:08.060 I get all of your questions. 01:21:08.060 --> 01:21:10.580 So the main issue regarding how do we hold them 01:21:10.580 --> 01:21:12.020 to what is being presented. 01:21:12.020 --> 01:21:14.520 So the plan development district standards 01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:17.200 that are included in the agenda packet this evening 01:21:17.200 --> 01:21:19.220 have all of the development requirements 01:21:19.220 --> 01:21:21.140 that Ms. Manglera spoke to. 01:21:21.140 --> 01:21:23.620 So the plans that were included 01:21:23.620 --> 01:21:24.700 as part of the agenda materials 01:21:24.700 --> 01:21:26.660 will be attached to the ordinance 01:21:26.660 --> 01:21:28.720 and that is what we enforce. 01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:34.300 The pictures that are shown regarding the builder, 01:21:34.300 --> 01:21:36.740 the plan development district does not stipulate 01:21:36.740 --> 01:21:39.500 which builder has to build within the neighborhood. 01:21:39.500 --> 01:21:43.300 So while the applicant currently has Toll Brothers 01:21:43.300 --> 01:21:46.100 in partnership with them, there's no guarantee 01:21:46.100 --> 01:21:48.260 that Toll Brothers would actually be the builder 01:21:48.260 --> 01:21:49.540 associated with that. 01:21:49.540 --> 01:21:50.380 That could change. 01:21:50.380 --> 01:21:52.180 We do not stipulate within 01:21:52.180 --> 01:21:54.260 plan development district regulations 01:21:54.260 --> 01:21:56.760 what builders build within the development. 01:21:56.760 --> 01:22:03.140 Regarding the R4 being the correct buffer, 01:22:03.140 --> 01:22:05.460 based upon our analysis and looking at the zoning 01:22:05.460 --> 01:22:07.420 in the area, we believe that the R4 district 01:22:07.420 --> 01:22:09.500 would be appropriate, especially given the concerns 01:22:09.500 --> 01:22:11.380 that were expressed at the prior meeting 01:22:11.380 --> 01:22:13.060 with I believe it was the R6 01:22:13.060 --> 01:22:17.140 that was previously presented several months back. 01:22:17.140 --> 01:22:19.620 And then regarding the gated requirement, 01:22:19.620 --> 01:22:22.140 so that is included within the plan development district 01:22:22.140 --> 01:22:25.740 and so if this request were ultimately be approved 01:22:25.740 --> 01:22:28.280 by city council, then the private streets 01:22:28.280 --> 01:22:31.260 and gated requirement holds true. 01:22:31.260 --> 01:22:33.900 If the applicant in the future, Ursus Magus, 01:22:33.900 --> 01:22:36.940 if this development is approved and the lots get built 01:22:36.940 --> 01:22:39.180 and residents live there and later on the residents 01:22:39.180 --> 01:22:42.140 decide that they no longer want to maintain the streets, 01:22:42.140 --> 01:22:43.740 they would have to have the zoning amended 01:22:43.740 --> 01:22:45.540 to remove that requirement. 01:22:45.540 --> 01:22:49.580 And then, and I guess your last point was the builder, 01:22:49.580 --> 01:22:50.420 so I've addressed that. 01:22:50.420 --> 01:22:52.620 So I believe I addressed all your questions. 01:22:52.620 --> 01:22:56.700 - Thank you, Tina, I appreciate it. 01:22:56.700 --> 01:23:01.220 Next card I have is Dennis Brown. 01:23:01.220 --> 01:23:04.500 I think it says Brown, I'm sorry if it doesn't. 01:23:06.940 --> 01:23:10.100 (Tina laughs) 01:23:10.100 --> 01:23:10.940 - I'm Dennis Brown. - Hi there. 01:23:10.940 --> 01:23:13.420 - I'm a resident of Country Club Village. 01:23:13.420 --> 01:23:16.100 I think the proposal sounds great and it looks great, 01:23:16.100 --> 01:23:18.220 but being the city of Argyle, 01:23:18.220 --> 01:23:20.640 those students or those will go 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:22.260 to Argyle School District, correct? 01:23:22.260 --> 01:23:23.580 We're overcrowded. 01:23:23.580 --> 01:23:25.900 I don't know if you've ever been down Brush Creek Road, 01:23:25.900 --> 01:23:28.940 but the roads on the side are falling off, 01:23:28.940 --> 01:23:30.380 the construction and so forth. 01:23:30.380 --> 01:23:31.500 You can hardly even get down. 01:23:31.500 --> 01:23:33.460 It's a 30 mile an hour road. 01:23:33.460 --> 01:23:35.020 Would this, would they be required 01:23:35.020 --> 01:23:36.340 to fix that road or something? 01:23:36.340 --> 01:23:38.460 Or is that the city that would have to fix that road? 01:23:38.460 --> 01:23:40.900 'Cause right now, they have an entrance going in there. 01:23:40.900 --> 01:23:43.060 That road is absolutely atrocious. 01:23:43.060 --> 01:23:44.620 I mean, the plan looks great and so forth, 01:23:44.620 --> 01:23:47.020 but they're going to our school that's already overcrowded. 01:23:47.020 --> 01:23:49.180 Our taxes are through the roof 01:23:49.180 --> 01:23:51.620 and it's just gonna put more children at our school 01:23:51.620 --> 01:23:53.660 that our school taxes and stuff would be paying for. 01:23:53.660 --> 01:23:56.260 And I don't know if they, when Buckeyes is put in, 01:23:56.260 --> 01:23:58.500 they always put in the road infrastructure and so forth, 01:23:58.500 --> 01:24:00.180 but that road right there at Brush Creek 01:24:00.180 --> 01:24:02.020 is absolutely atrocious. 01:24:02.020 --> 01:24:04.220 And I don't know how I can support going into there 01:24:04.220 --> 01:24:07.960 and putting more traffic on 377 and Brush Creek. 01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:10.780 So, that's my concerns. 01:24:10.780 --> 01:24:12.180 - Thank you for sharing them. 01:24:12.180 --> 01:24:14.500 Angie, can I invite you down, please, 01:24:14.500 --> 01:24:18.020 while we've got these questions right in front of us, 01:24:18.020 --> 01:24:21.760 for you to address anything. 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:25.260 Does the developer have to do anything 01:24:25.260 --> 01:24:26.900 with regard to the road right now? 01:24:26.900 --> 01:24:30.820 And have you talked to Argyle ISD 01:24:30.820 --> 01:24:32.260 or has the developer with regard 01:24:32.260 --> 01:24:33.700 to this development going in? 01:24:35.220 --> 01:24:37.820 - I did connect with Argyle ISD. 01:24:37.820 --> 01:24:38.660 I'll address that one. 01:24:38.660 --> 01:24:40.100 That's the easier one first. 01:24:40.100 --> 01:24:43.500 Just to see what the development was on the radar 01:24:43.500 --> 01:24:46.200 and also to predict how many students 01:24:46.200 --> 01:24:47.540 that this development would produce. 01:24:47.540 --> 01:24:50.200 We have our own equation for DISD, 01:24:50.200 --> 01:24:53.740 but rely on Argyle ISD as they're their own experts. 01:24:53.740 --> 01:24:55.820 They do predict that this would add 31 students 01:24:55.820 --> 01:24:57.080 to the district. 01:24:57.080 --> 01:24:58.580 I did not receive any indication 01:24:58.580 --> 01:25:03.580 that that was a number that could not be accommodated 01:25:03.580 --> 01:25:04.820 by the schools. 01:25:04.820 --> 01:25:08.500 So that's the information I have from Argyle ISD on that. 01:25:08.500 --> 01:25:11.380 Regarding Brush Creek Lane or road, 01:25:11.380 --> 01:25:15.460 it is designated on the 2022 mobility plan 01:25:15.460 --> 01:25:17.540 as a primary arterial. 01:25:17.540 --> 01:25:21.320 At this time, it is not at primary arterial status 01:25:21.320 --> 01:25:25.620 and the developer is required to dedicate 01:25:25.620 --> 01:25:28.420 to achieve one half of the ultimate right of way. 01:25:28.420 --> 01:25:30.420 So primary arterial has an ultimate right of way 01:25:30.420 --> 01:25:33.260 of 135 feet along their property line. 01:25:33.260 --> 01:25:36.500 They're required to dedicate to achieve 67 and a half feet 01:25:36.500 --> 01:25:37.900 as well as make those improvements 01:25:37.900 --> 01:25:40.780 along their property line. 01:25:40.780 --> 01:25:42.340 Ultimately, at a future date, 01:25:42.340 --> 01:25:45.500 I don't have that date, it's not slated yet, 01:25:45.500 --> 01:25:48.860 but Brush Creek is slated to be improved 01:25:48.860 --> 01:25:50.260 as a primary arterial, 01:25:50.260 --> 01:25:52.500 serving as that ultimate east-west connection 01:25:52.500 --> 01:25:54.420 really throughout the city. 01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:56.800 It would connect into Hickory Creek Road 01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:00.140 further to the east and then as you move west to Allred, 01:26:00.140 --> 01:26:03.700 providing for that east-west primary arterial connection. 01:26:03.700 --> 01:26:06.460 So those improvements are obviously longer term, 01:26:06.460 --> 01:26:07.900 whereas the applicant is required 01:26:07.900 --> 01:26:11.540 to improve their frontage with construction. 01:26:11.540 --> 01:26:13.560 - Great, thank you for addressing that. 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:18.860 I'm gonna continue to read cards that I have. 01:26:18.860 --> 01:26:21.280 David Haslees is in opposition, 01:26:21.280 --> 01:26:23.940 does not wish to speak unless they've changed their mind. 01:26:23.940 --> 01:26:24.780 Okay. 01:26:24.780 --> 01:26:27.560 Alexander Allen, 01:26:29.220 --> 01:26:30.620 not wishing to speak? 01:26:30.620 --> 01:26:32.820 Okay, in opposition. 01:26:32.820 --> 01:26:34.460 Lane Tidwell, 01:26:34.460 --> 01:26:38.660 in opposition, not wishing to speak? 01:26:38.660 --> 01:26:39.500 Okay. 01:26:39.500 --> 01:26:44.440 And Charles Cassidy, 01:26:44.440 --> 01:26:46.360 in opposition, not wishing to speak? 01:26:46.360 --> 01:26:49.360 Or would you like to? 01:26:49.360 --> 01:26:50.420 If you would like to, yeah, 01:26:50.420 --> 01:26:52.860 please come down to the microphone 01:26:52.860 --> 01:26:56.060 and the floor will be yours as soon as you give us your name. 01:26:56.060 --> 01:26:59.180 - Yes, Charles Cassidy, Hills of Argo. 01:26:59.180 --> 01:27:03.020 I was just curious regarding the meetings he mentioned 01:27:03.020 --> 01:27:04.440 to the neighbors. 01:27:04.440 --> 01:27:09.440 So as far as the neighbors in the area, 01:27:09.440 --> 01:27:11.740 did you receive an invitation? 01:27:11.740 --> 01:27:13.540 - If you could speak into the microphone, I'm sorry. 01:27:13.540 --> 01:27:14.360 - I'm sorry. 01:27:14.360 --> 01:27:17.200 So show of hands for neighbors in the area. 01:27:17.200 --> 01:27:21.700 Okay, in the area. 01:27:21.700 --> 01:27:23.900 Did you receive an invitation to any meeting? 01:27:23.900 --> 01:27:26.980 Okay, thank you. 01:27:26.980 --> 01:27:27.900 - Okay, thank you. 01:27:29.940 --> 01:27:32.980 I don't have any cards in front of me. 01:27:32.980 --> 01:27:36.980 Is there anyone wishing to speak on this item? 01:27:36.980 --> 01:27:42.560 Okay, with that, I'll go ahead and close the public hearing. 01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:45.160 I'm gonna open the floor for discussion or a motion. 01:27:45.160 --> 01:27:50.580 Omar, I do have a question for you, 01:27:50.580 --> 01:27:53.220 if you don't mind coming back down here, 01:27:53.220 --> 01:27:57.500 'cause I'm gonna ask that with what was just brought up. 01:27:57.500 --> 01:27:59.140 Can you tell me where you mailed to? 01:27:59.140 --> 01:28:02.980 - We have a list, we got a list from Angie about, 01:28:02.980 --> 01:28:04.820 I wanna say, was it a year ago or so? 01:28:04.820 --> 01:28:06.260 Whenever we started doing the whole neighborhood 01:28:06.260 --> 01:28:08.500 meeting thing, we have a list of addresses, 01:28:08.500 --> 01:28:13.420 and we've got, I can provide that list to you 01:28:13.420 --> 01:28:14.420 after this meeting. 01:28:14.420 --> 01:28:15.940 It's the same list that we've sent it out 01:28:15.940 --> 01:28:16.940 for all six meetings. 01:28:16.940 --> 01:28:18.660 - It's the notification. 01:28:18.660 --> 01:28:19.940 - Well, not only the notification, no, 01:28:19.940 --> 01:28:22.300 we also added to it the properties to the east. 01:28:22.300 --> 01:28:24.460 I'm not sure why folks haven't received it, 01:28:24.460 --> 01:28:27.820 but we have, I can provide that list to you. 01:28:27.820 --> 01:28:31.120 There was, Tara, how many were there on that? 01:28:31.120 --> 01:28:32.820 - About 32. - 32. 01:28:32.820 --> 01:28:36.380 So we sent out 32 bailers to folks for these meetings 01:28:36.380 --> 01:28:40.260 within two weeks of any meeting before it was held. 01:28:40.260 --> 01:28:43.940 So, again, not sure where, why people were receiving it, 01:28:43.940 --> 01:28:45.100 but folks showed up to the meeting. 01:28:45.100 --> 01:28:47.020 - Well, yeah, I guess I'm assuming you didn't hit 01:28:47.020 --> 01:28:48.740 all of Hills of Argyle. 01:28:48.740 --> 01:28:51.340 - Yeah, it wasn't the entire Hills of Argyle, exactly. 01:28:51.340 --> 01:28:54.980 Yeah, it was people within an X distance. 01:28:54.980 --> 01:28:57.380 - Yeah, 'cause I think, yeah, there's only 01:28:57.380 --> 01:28:59.820 maybe a street that comes within that 500-foot buffer 01:28:59.820 --> 01:29:01.820 anyway, yeah, okay, that makes sense. 01:29:01.820 --> 01:29:03.060 Okay, thank you, I appreciate that. 01:29:03.060 --> 01:29:04.100 - Thank you. 01:29:04.100 --> 01:29:05.100 - Commissioner Pruitt. 01:29:05.100 --> 01:29:07.340 - Thank you, Chair. 01:29:07.340 --> 01:29:12.340 A question for staff about some utility locations 01:29:12.340 --> 01:29:14.140 and how that works out. 01:29:14.140 --> 01:29:19.980 Sorry, the map, the GIS map I'm looking at, 01:29:19.980 --> 01:29:24.900 I think it used to have water and wastewater layers 01:29:24.900 --> 01:29:26.580 on there, and I don't see it now. 01:29:26.580 --> 01:29:31.220 So, I'm just trying to understand, would this water 01:29:31.220 --> 01:29:36.140 and wastewater service be extended southward along 377 01:29:36.140 --> 01:29:40.020 from the north of Hickory Creek? 01:29:40.020 --> 01:29:42.820 Where are utilities coming from, and who pays 01:29:42.820 --> 01:29:45.380 for the extensions from, and where do they exist to? 01:29:45.380 --> 01:29:46.460 Does that make sense? 01:29:46.460 --> 01:29:48.100 - Sure, and I would have to go back 01:29:48.100 --> 01:29:49.420 and look at the utility plan. 01:29:49.420 --> 01:29:52.780 You are correct, our infrastructure's not available 01:29:52.780 --> 01:29:54.980 on GIS anymore for... 01:29:56.860 --> 01:29:58.620 Legal reasons, security reasons. 01:29:58.620 --> 01:30:03.860 It has been reviewed by our engineering team, 01:30:03.860 --> 01:30:08.460 as well as representatives from our water 01:30:08.460 --> 01:30:10.420 and wastewater departments, and they have determined 01:30:10.420 --> 01:30:11.980 that the connections can be made. 01:30:11.980 --> 01:30:15.020 I do believe that they were from the north, 01:30:15.020 --> 01:30:17.620 but again, I would wanna verify on that plan 01:30:17.620 --> 01:30:19.300 before answering with certainty. 01:30:19.300 --> 01:30:22.420 But no capacity issues were identified, 01:30:22.420 --> 01:30:25.740 and they did receive the okay to move forward 01:30:25.740 --> 01:30:28.420 with the plans as presented from a utility aspect. 01:30:28.420 --> 01:30:31.340 - Okay, yeah, I guess I'm just trying to identify 01:30:31.340 --> 01:30:39.300 whether this would require non-pipe infrastructure 01:30:39.300 --> 01:30:42.660 that would have to move into the city's capital plan 01:30:42.660 --> 01:30:46.140 or not, be it lift stations or pump stations 01:30:46.140 --> 01:30:51.140 to achieve pressure, given there's a Hickory Creek corridor 01:30:51.140 --> 01:30:54.900 north of here, and that sort of thing. 01:30:54.900 --> 01:30:57.260 So maybe you don't have all the answers, 01:30:57.260 --> 01:31:00.940 but if there's any way to speak to that 01:31:00.940 --> 01:31:03.380 or give me any information, I'd appreciate it. 01:31:03.380 --> 01:31:05.300 - Sure, and I can certainly, 01:31:05.300 --> 01:31:07.260 I don't have all the information. 01:31:07.260 --> 01:31:11.660 To my understanding, there was no lift station needs 01:31:11.660 --> 01:31:13.500 identified as part of this project, 01:31:13.500 --> 01:31:16.380 but if it's okay with you and members of the commission, 01:31:16.380 --> 01:31:19.900 I'd like to report back with more firm answers than that. 01:31:19.900 --> 01:31:22.060 I can send it out to you all via an email 01:31:22.060 --> 01:31:25.940 as part of a follow-up and include it in the council backup 01:31:25.940 --> 01:31:28.100 so that information is provided. 01:31:28.100 --> 01:31:29.740 - Okay, thank you. - Thank you. 01:31:29.740 --> 01:31:34.740 - Thanks, Angie, I don't see any other questions 01:31:34.740 --> 01:31:35.580 at the moment. 01:31:35.580 --> 01:31:40.420 Yeah, are there any questions, discussions? 01:31:40.420 --> 01:31:42.900 Motion? 01:31:42.900 --> 01:31:50.100 Okay, well, I'm gonna go ahead and move approval 01:31:50.100 --> 01:31:52.020 and I'll say why. 01:31:52.020 --> 01:31:58.820 This plan, compared to anything we've seen on this, 01:31:58.820 --> 01:32:02.260 it makes sense being transitional 01:32:02.260 --> 01:32:05.020 from the rural houses around it, 01:32:05.020 --> 01:32:06.700 with the density that's across the street, 01:32:06.700 --> 01:32:09.700 and this is less, with the restrictions in the PD 01:32:09.700 --> 01:32:13.700 with regard to lot size, with the gated community. 01:32:13.700 --> 01:32:18.260 There has been engagement in the neighborhood. 01:32:19.780 --> 01:32:22.980 We do have a lot of opposition cards here. 01:32:22.980 --> 01:32:27.500 Unfortunately, I don't know exactly why. 01:32:27.500 --> 01:32:33.060 One concern was raised that, how is this guaranteed? 01:32:33.060 --> 01:32:36.140 And those questions were answered. 01:32:36.140 --> 01:32:40.020 The rest, unfortunately, I don't know why, 01:32:40.020 --> 01:32:41.980 we don't know why, we didn't hear why. 01:32:41.980 --> 01:32:48.060 So that would be helpful, but without that, 01:32:48.060 --> 01:32:50.340 I have to go with what staff presented 01:32:50.340 --> 01:32:55.340 with what I know and what I can see 01:32:55.340 --> 01:33:00.980 with the project presented, and it's a good plan. 01:33:00.980 --> 01:33:06.540 I hope it is Toll Brothers if this does go forward, 01:33:06.540 --> 01:33:08.660 because they're a fantastic builder. 01:33:08.660 --> 01:33:12.340 It would be great to have in the city of Denton 01:33:12.340 --> 01:33:13.900 another project by them. 01:33:13.900 --> 01:33:17.660 So with that, I do motion approval. 01:33:18.900 --> 01:33:21.980 And we'll see if anyone would like to second that. 01:33:21.980 --> 01:33:31.460 Okay, seeing none, we will pull that. 01:33:31.460 --> 01:33:35.540 So we do have to take action, Commissioner Villarreal. 01:33:35.540 --> 01:33:36.380 - Move denial. 01:33:36.380 --> 01:33:44.540 - Got a first for denial. 01:33:49.060 --> 01:33:52.540 Okay, Commissioner, well, we do have to take action on this 01:33:52.540 --> 01:33:56.220 so we could continue the discussion. 01:33:56.220 --> 01:34:01.940 Please, Hillary. 01:34:01.940 --> 01:34:09.780 - Observing that we have four commissioners present 01:34:09.780 --> 01:34:14.780 and that there is some reluctance to second either motion. 01:34:18.220 --> 01:34:21.820 A third option, main DB to motion to continue. 01:34:21.820 --> 01:34:24.340 - Continue to where we have a bigger commission. 01:34:24.340 --> 01:34:25.940 - That wouldn't result in a tie. 01:34:25.940 --> 01:34:29.340 - Well, we can't even get a motion on the floor 01:34:29.340 --> 01:34:30.180 at the moment. 01:34:30.180 --> 01:34:38.060 Okay, we do have utility information, okay. 01:34:38.060 --> 01:34:41.700 Well, with that, since we don't have a second there, 01:34:41.700 --> 01:34:44.620 go ahead, Tina, with your information, please. 01:34:44.620 --> 01:34:46.940 - So I received correspondence from the staff 01:34:46.940 --> 01:34:49.940 that there is water, existing water to the north 01:34:49.940 --> 01:34:52.540 and then also sanitary sewer available to the south. 01:34:52.540 --> 01:34:56.540 - Commissioner Pruitt. 01:34:56.540 --> 01:35:03.540 - Okay. 01:35:03.540 --> 01:35:10.780 I'll move approval, but I have a few thoughts 01:35:10.780 --> 01:35:12.660 and thank you for that update, Tina. 01:35:17.940 --> 01:35:21.900 These types of applications are what happen 01:35:21.900 --> 01:35:26.100 when we do the whole baby bath water thing. 01:35:26.100 --> 01:35:32.380 I don't feel that this commission has a 01:35:32.380 --> 01:35:40.940 mandate to continue the segregation 01:35:40.940 --> 01:35:45.340 of economically separated housing in this city. 01:35:46.940 --> 01:35:51.940 I don't feel like extending development 01:35:51.940 --> 01:35:57.540 south of Hickory Creek is wise from a fiscal 01:35:57.540 --> 01:36:00.300 or growth perspective. 01:36:00.300 --> 01:36:02.140 Will it happen and come north to us? 01:36:02.140 --> 01:36:02.980 Yes. 01:36:02.980 --> 01:36:12.900 With that said, there are some benefits 01:36:13.060 --> 01:36:17.140 to how this sausage is made 01:36:17.140 --> 01:36:23.620 and we'll just see what happens with four members. 01:36:23.620 --> 01:36:26.180 Thank you. 01:36:26.180 --> 01:36:27.340 - So your motion is to-- 01:36:27.340 --> 01:36:28.620 - Sorry, I move approval. 01:36:28.620 --> 01:36:33.460 - I will second. 01:36:33.460 --> 01:36:35.300 So now we've got a first and a second 01:36:35.300 --> 01:36:36.740 for approval on the floor. 01:36:36.740 --> 01:36:39.340 Discussion, thoughts? 01:36:41.980 --> 01:36:43.780 Okay, let's go ahead and vote, please. 01:36:43.780 --> 01:37:01.620 Okay, that motion will pass 3-1. 01:37:01.620 --> 01:37:04.380 That will move it to city council. 01:37:04.380 --> 01:37:09.380 Angie, you told me December 3rd it will go to city council. 01:37:11.900 --> 01:37:15.020 That will take us then to our next public hearing, 01:37:15.020 --> 01:37:19.660 that is 5B PDA 240002. 01:37:19.660 --> 01:37:21.460 I will open the public hearing 01:37:21.460 --> 01:37:25.500 and Angie is here for presentation 01:37:25.500 --> 01:37:27.540 and we will give it just a couple of minutes 01:37:27.540 --> 01:37:30.340 for the room to clear. 01:37:41.900 --> 01:37:44.900 (people chattering) 01:38:11.900 --> 01:38:14.900 (people chattering) 01:38:14.900 --> 01:38:33.300 Okay. 01:38:33.300 --> 01:38:39.100 (people chattering) 01:38:41.940 --> 01:38:44.940 (people chattering) 01:38:44.940 --> 01:38:50.360 - Amy, just there. 01:38:50.360 --> 01:38:53.420 - Yes. 01:38:53.420 --> 01:38:58.100 (coughs) 01:38:58.100 --> 01:39:01.100 (people chattering) 01:39:11.900 --> 01:39:14.900 (people chattering) 01:39:14.900 --> 01:39:17.300 - That is a loud group. 01:39:17.300 --> 01:39:31.660 Yeah, I think you can go ahead and start with microphone, 01:39:31.660 --> 01:39:33.780 I'll drown that out a bit. 01:39:33.780 --> 01:39:37.380 - All right, chair, members of the commission, 01:39:37.380 --> 01:39:39.500 Angie Megler is development review manager, 01:39:39.500 --> 01:39:43.860 here to present to you PDA 240002. 01:39:43.860 --> 01:39:47.460 This is elite hospitality, Pickleball and Restaurant. 01:39:47.460 --> 01:39:51.860 So a little bit about this request. 01:39:51.860 --> 01:39:53.540 This request is to amend 01:39:53.540 --> 01:39:56.300 an existing overlay plan development district 01:39:56.300 --> 01:39:58.700 with a base zoning of MN. 01:39:58.700 --> 01:40:02.380 This is approximately a 3.185 acre tract of land 01:40:02.380 --> 01:40:04.380 as currently undeveloped. 01:40:04.380 --> 01:40:06.860 It's located east of I-35 North 01:40:06.860 --> 01:40:11.340 and approximately 1,078 feet south of Windsor Drive. 01:40:11.340 --> 01:40:15.500 It has a future land use designation of low residential. 01:40:15.500 --> 01:40:18.120 Zoning in the vicinity is varied. 01:40:18.120 --> 01:40:21.100 To the north is existing PDMN. 01:40:21.100 --> 01:40:26.100 To the northeast east, southeast and south 01:40:26.100 --> 01:40:30.260 is residential zoning, R6 and R3. 01:40:30.260 --> 01:40:31.940 To the west is I-35 North 01:40:31.940 --> 01:40:34.940 and further west of that is highway corridor zoning. 01:40:37.020 --> 01:40:40.100 So as stated, this is a request to amend 01:40:40.100 --> 01:40:42.100 an existing overlay plan development 01:40:42.100 --> 01:40:45.500 and I'd like to spend a little bit time to talk about 01:40:45.500 --> 01:40:48.900 the current zoning on the property, which is PDMN. 01:40:48.900 --> 01:40:52.260 So back in 2020, there was a straight zoning case 01:40:52.260 --> 01:40:54.900 for this piece of property from R2 01:40:54.900 --> 01:40:56.560 to mixed use neighborhood. 01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:59.780 At the time that this was considered, 01:40:59.780 --> 01:41:01.700 to address several neighboring concerns, 01:41:01.700 --> 01:41:05.020 the applicant proposed several conditions. 01:41:05.020 --> 01:41:08.740 And those conditions were attached to the adopting ordinance 01:41:08.740 --> 01:41:11.980 creating what we call today an overlay PD. 01:41:11.980 --> 01:41:13.980 Some of those conditions that were adopted 01:41:13.980 --> 01:41:15.660 at the time of the zoning ordinance 01:41:15.660 --> 01:41:18.140 were prohibiting several land uses 01:41:18.140 --> 01:41:21.660 that included hotels, motels, bars, taverns, 01:41:21.660 --> 01:41:23.820 multifamily developments, 01:41:23.820 --> 01:41:26.180 establishing site design requirements, 01:41:26.180 --> 01:41:30.180 specifically requirements that restrict buildings 01:41:30.180 --> 01:41:33.020 adjacent to residential zoning 01:41:33.020 --> 01:41:35.580 to be medical and professional offices. 01:41:35.580 --> 01:41:37.580 And so we have residential zoning, 01:41:37.580 --> 01:41:40.500 as stated to the east and to the south, 01:41:40.500 --> 01:41:43.820 as well as some parking orientation requirements. 01:41:43.820 --> 01:41:47.260 The purpose of this amendment is really twofold. 01:41:47.260 --> 01:41:51.100 The PD overlay at the time did not adopt a concept plan, 01:41:51.100 --> 01:41:53.500 creating a bit of ambiguity 01:41:53.500 --> 01:41:55.180 and how to enforce some of these standards, 01:41:55.180 --> 01:41:58.620 specifically the adjacency requirements. 01:41:58.620 --> 01:42:00.860 The site plan that was shown at that PNZ meeting 01:42:00.860 --> 01:42:03.180 contemplated a garden-style development 01:42:03.180 --> 01:42:05.540 with approximately seven padstites. 01:42:05.540 --> 01:42:07.700 Those conditions are not necessarily conducive 01:42:07.700 --> 01:42:10.940 to a single building development on this lot. 01:42:10.940 --> 01:42:14.780 So it's to remove challenging and problematic language, 01:42:14.780 --> 01:42:17.020 as well as to incorporate additional language 01:42:17.020 --> 01:42:18.860 to address concerns as it relates 01:42:18.860 --> 01:42:20.220 to the development of this site 01:42:20.220 --> 01:42:22.340 as an indoor recreational facility. 01:42:22.340 --> 01:42:25.620 So that's a little bit of the history. 01:42:25.620 --> 01:42:29.140 This proposed plan development, overlay plan development, 01:42:29.140 --> 01:42:31.500 as stated, removes some of the language 01:42:31.500 --> 01:42:33.260 in the original adopting ordinance 01:42:33.260 --> 01:42:35.900 that limits uses adjacent 01:42:35.900 --> 01:42:37.740 to the eastern and southern boundary. 01:42:37.740 --> 01:42:40.980 It does retain all of the same prohibited land uses, 01:42:40.980 --> 01:42:44.260 as well as the restricted access from Colonial Drive. 01:42:44.260 --> 01:42:45.700 So access from Colonial Drive, 01:42:45.700 --> 01:42:47.180 which is just to the south of the site, 01:42:47.180 --> 01:42:49.500 remains as emergency only. 01:42:49.500 --> 01:42:52.860 And it does add several provisions 01:42:52.860 --> 01:42:54.980 to address neighboring concerns, 01:42:54.980 --> 01:42:56.660 including height restrictions, 01:42:56.660 --> 01:42:59.420 enhanced landscape buffering requirements, 01:42:59.420 --> 01:43:01.740 increased setback requirements, 01:43:01.740 --> 01:43:04.140 and building design specification standards 01:43:04.140 --> 01:43:05.620 specific to the development 01:43:05.620 --> 01:43:07.660 of an indoor recreational facility. 01:43:07.660 --> 01:43:12.340 This was reviewed against our general criteria for approval, 01:43:12.340 --> 01:43:15.300 as well as our criteria for approval for plan development. 01:43:15.300 --> 01:43:17.300 Staff does find that it is consistent 01:43:17.300 --> 01:43:18.500 with those criteria for approval 01:43:18.500 --> 01:43:20.100 and is recommending approval. 01:43:20.100 --> 01:43:23.820 As stated, the future land use for this site 01:43:23.820 --> 01:43:24.900 is low residential, 01:43:24.900 --> 01:43:27.180 which does predominantly envision lower density 01:43:27.180 --> 01:43:29.380 single-family residential neighborhoods, 01:43:29.380 --> 01:43:33.980 ranging from one acre lots up to five units per acre. 01:43:33.980 --> 01:43:36.020 Low residential future land use category 01:43:36.020 --> 01:43:38.180 also recognizes that land uses 01:43:38.180 --> 01:43:39.740 that support residential neighborhoods 01:43:39.740 --> 01:43:42.820 may also be appropriate in this area. 01:43:42.820 --> 01:43:44.780 While the proposed development is not consistent 01:43:44.780 --> 01:43:46.220 with the intent that this developed 01:43:46.220 --> 01:43:48.380 predominantly as low density residential, 01:43:48.380 --> 01:43:50.300 it is consistent with the idea 01:43:50.300 --> 01:43:53.180 that supporting land uses in residential areas 01:43:53.180 --> 01:43:56.700 may be appropriate within the low residential category. 01:43:56.700 --> 01:43:59.660 Furthermore, given the site's proximity to I-35 01:43:59.660 --> 01:44:02.420 and specifically its access on I-35 frontage roads, 01:44:02.420 --> 01:44:04.620 it's unlikely that this site does develop 01:44:04.620 --> 01:44:06.460 as low density residential, 01:44:06.460 --> 01:44:08.580 and the PDM and zoning that exists today 01:44:08.580 --> 01:44:11.380 is appropriate for this site's location. 01:44:11.380 --> 01:44:13.740 It's also consistent with the fiscal 01:44:13.740 --> 01:44:15.060 and economic vitality goal 01:44:15.060 --> 01:44:18.340 to increase Denton's tourist and economic potential. 01:44:18.340 --> 01:44:19.780 The intent is to develop this 01:44:19.780 --> 01:44:22.060 as an indoor pickleball facility. 01:44:22.060 --> 01:44:25.460 Pickleball is a growing sport, increasing in popularity, 01:44:25.460 --> 01:44:28.060 with its strategic location along I-35, 01:44:28.060 --> 01:44:30.940 just north of the razor range overlay developments. 01:44:30.940 --> 01:44:34.540 This does further our goals towards increasing 01:44:34.540 --> 01:44:36.340 some of that tourism to Denton. 01:44:36.340 --> 01:44:41.900 There are several design standards that are incorporated 01:44:41.900 --> 01:44:46.000 to address any compatibility issues as well as concerns. 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:49.300 One of those is limiting the maximum building height 01:44:49.300 --> 01:44:53.420 to 36 feet, by right, buildings in MN zoning districts 01:44:53.420 --> 01:44:58.420 could be up to 41 feet, 65 feet is allowed with an SUP, 01:44:58.420 --> 01:45:01.880 so this would limit that height to 36 feet. 01:45:01.880 --> 01:45:06.660 The proposed development does propose 01:45:06.660 --> 01:45:08.580 a 15-foot wide landscape buffer 01:45:08.580 --> 01:45:10.480 along the southern and northern property lines 01:45:10.480 --> 01:45:14.060 were adjacent to single-family residential uses, 01:45:14.060 --> 01:45:17.860 so that would be this corner up here were adjacent to R6 01:45:17.860 --> 01:45:20.260 as well as this southern property line, 01:45:20.260 --> 01:45:21.980 and a 20-foot wide landscape buffer 01:45:21.980 --> 01:45:24.020 along the eastern property line. 01:45:24.020 --> 01:45:26.140 This landscape buffer shall include 30 points 01:45:26.140 --> 01:45:28.840 from the DDC's Table 7 Point G. 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:31.920 The proposed development plan also incorporates 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.420 a 35-foot rear yard setback, 01:45:34.420 --> 01:45:37.060 and then incorporates some specific design standards 01:45:37.060 --> 01:45:40.340 should this develop as an indoor recreation facility, 01:45:40.340 --> 01:45:42.740 and that includes a butterfly roof element, 01:45:42.740 --> 01:45:47.220 which you can see in this concept drawing here, 01:45:47.220 --> 01:45:49.460 kind of the V-shaped roof line, 01:45:49.460 --> 01:45:52.580 as well as some specific architectural variation 01:45:52.580 --> 01:45:56.180 requirements, including that no more than 30 linear feet 01:45:56.180 --> 01:45:58.300 without having a horizontal or vertical break 01:45:58.300 --> 01:45:59.260 along that facade. 01:45:59.260 --> 01:46:03.500 Public outreach was conducted in accordance 01:46:03.500 --> 01:46:06.700 with both state law and the DDC. 01:46:06.700 --> 01:46:08.740 Mailed notices were sent out to property owners 01:46:08.740 --> 01:46:11.620 within 200 feet, as well as the courtesy notice 01:46:11.620 --> 01:46:13.580 within 500 feet. 01:46:13.580 --> 01:46:16.300 We did receive one response that is within 200 feet 01:46:16.300 --> 01:46:18.700 via an email that was forwarded to you all. 01:46:18.700 --> 01:46:22.100 The applicant has held six neighborhood meetings. 01:46:22.100 --> 01:46:24.660 I'll let them speak to their specific engagements 01:46:24.660 --> 01:46:25.780 on this property. 01:46:25.780 --> 01:46:29.540 Staff is recommending approval, as it is consistent 01:46:29.540 --> 01:46:31.220 with our general criteria for approval, 01:46:31.220 --> 01:46:32.880 as well as that for PDs. 01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:37.220 The next step would be city council on December 3rd. 01:46:37.220 --> 01:46:39.420 I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have. 01:46:39.420 --> 01:46:40.820 As I said, the applicant is here. 01:46:40.820 --> 01:46:42.220 I believe they have a short presentation, 01:46:42.220 --> 01:46:44.660 and they could also answer any questions. 01:46:44.660 --> 01:46:46.060 - Great, thank you, Angie. 01:46:46.060 --> 01:46:47.700 Any questions right now for Angie? 01:46:47.700 --> 01:46:50.340 Okay, thank you. 01:46:50.340 --> 01:46:52.260 I do have the applicant's card right here, 01:46:52.260 --> 01:46:54.820 so I'll go ahead and invite Amy Bissett up 01:46:54.820 --> 01:46:57.780 for her presentation. - Good evening, commissioners. 01:46:57.780 --> 01:47:02.780 Amy Bissett, 97 Lynn, 109 North Elm, Denton 76201. 01:47:02.780 --> 01:47:05.700 I'm gonna pull up my slides real quick. 01:47:05.700 --> 01:47:07.980 Hopefully, there we go. 01:47:07.980 --> 01:47:13.720 I did watch the work session discussion this evening, 01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:16.660 so I do wanna start by doing my best to answer 01:47:16.660 --> 01:47:19.420 the one question that came up during work session. 01:47:19.420 --> 01:47:23.420 Chair Ellis, you asked about operating hours specifically. 01:47:23.420 --> 01:47:26.220 We have had multiple conversations with our client 01:47:26.220 --> 01:47:27.760 about operating hours. 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:29.620 This is their first facility like this, 01:47:29.620 --> 01:47:32.460 so they don't have a solid answer for that. 01:47:32.460 --> 01:47:34.500 They do not have set operating hours yet. 01:47:34.500 --> 01:47:37.940 However, what you can expect is that it would operate 01:47:37.940 --> 01:47:41.300 in the morning hours like a gym, so opening early, 01:47:41.300 --> 01:47:44.780 and operate into the evening hours like a restaurant, 01:47:44.780 --> 01:47:48.300 so would be open later on Friday and Saturday nights, 01:47:48.300 --> 01:47:51.340 but typically closing around the time that restaurants 01:47:51.340 --> 01:47:54.100 would close on weekdays and weekends. 01:47:54.100 --> 01:47:56.380 That's what we know so far about that. 01:47:56.380 --> 01:48:00.340 You already know the location, 01:48:00.340 --> 01:48:01.700 so I'm gonna skip over that. 01:48:01.700 --> 01:48:04.020 I do wanna talk a little bit about the zoning 01:48:04.020 --> 01:48:06.140 that was done in 2020. 01:48:06.140 --> 01:48:08.460 We have met with the neighbors six times, 01:48:08.460 --> 01:48:11.180 and I've had multiple one-on-one conversations 01:48:11.180 --> 01:48:14.720 with neighbors as well, and one of the first things we did 01:48:14.720 --> 01:48:18.100 with our first neighborhood meeting was acknowledge 01:48:18.100 --> 01:48:21.420 the fact that there had been considerable concessions 01:48:21.420 --> 01:48:25.580 made in 2020 with the PD overlay that was approved back then, 01:48:25.580 --> 01:48:30.580 and set out our goal to comply with as many of those 01:48:30.580 --> 01:48:34.500 conditions as possible, or to come up with alternative 01:48:34.500 --> 01:48:38.380 conditions that best address the neighborhood concerns. 01:48:39.980 --> 01:48:43.420 This was the concept plan that was presented back in 2020, 01:48:43.420 --> 01:48:45.260 and I do wanna go over it just a little bit 01:48:45.260 --> 01:48:48.820 so that we can talk about how our initial concept plan 01:48:48.820 --> 01:48:51.300 attempted to comply with this. 01:48:51.300 --> 01:48:53.340 As Angie said, there were seven buildings. 01:48:53.340 --> 01:48:57.020 They were ranging in size, and the ones closest 01:48:57.020 --> 01:48:59.940 to the eastern property line and the southern property line 01:48:59.940 --> 01:49:02.020 were restricted to be single story, 01:49:02.020 --> 01:49:06.260 and then this connection to Colonial Drive 01:49:06.260 --> 01:49:09.660 was restricted to be emergency access only. 01:49:09.660 --> 01:49:12.900 Additionally, there was use restrictions 01:49:12.900 --> 01:49:16.660 that the buildings closest to the residential neighbors 01:49:16.660 --> 01:49:19.260 would be restricted to professional and medical offices, 01:49:19.260 --> 01:49:22.500 clinics, or residential uses, and that the parking 01:49:22.500 --> 01:49:25.420 on the east shall be located between the buildings 01:49:25.420 --> 01:49:27.540 and the east property line to provide a buffer 01:49:27.540 --> 01:49:29.140 to the residential. 01:49:29.140 --> 01:49:32.380 Our client who owns this property today purchased it 01:49:32.380 --> 01:49:36.620 after this PD was approved, and while their proposed land 01:49:36.620 --> 01:49:40.380 uses are permitted under this PD as it exists today, 01:49:40.380 --> 01:49:41.900 the way these restrictions are written 01:49:41.900 --> 01:49:45.220 make it infeasible to develop currently. 01:49:45.220 --> 01:49:49.540 So the prohibited land uses that were there, 01:49:49.540 --> 01:49:51.700 that were adopted in 2020, we are proposing 01:49:51.700 --> 01:49:54.220 the same prohibited land uses today. 01:49:54.220 --> 01:49:56.380 I do wanna point out that what is permitted 01:49:56.380 --> 01:49:59.540 under the current zoning is an indoor recreational facility, 01:49:59.540 --> 01:50:01.820 including concessions and including a restaurant, 01:50:01.820 --> 01:50:03.820 which is what we're proposing today, 01:50:03.820 --> 01:50:08.020 so we're not proposing a change to the allowable land uses. 01:50:08.020 --> 01:50:11.340 An indoor pickleball facility is what's being proposed, 01:50:11.340 --> 01:50:14.060 and you can see this was our initial concept plan, 01:50:14.060 --> 01:50:16.980 and just to kind of toggle back and forth 01:50:16.980 --> 01:50:19.380 between the former concept plan and this one, 01:50:19.380 --> 01:50:21.300 we tried to comply as much as we could, 01:50:21.300 --> 01:50:23.660 including putting the parking between 01:50:23.660 --> 01:50:26.220 the eastern property line and the buildings, 01:50:26.220 --> 01:50:28.340 and trying to configure the site in a way 01:50:28.340 --> 01:50:30.740 that was as consistent as possible. 01:50:32.380 --> 01:50:35.340 We did hold a total of six neighborhood meetings. 01:50:35.340 --> 01:50:37.180 We had two in March, where we presented 01:50:37.180 --> 01:50:39.580 that initial concept plan that you just saw. 01:50:39.580 --> 01:50:41.460 We received quite a bit of feedback from that, 01:50:41.460 --> 01:50:44.060 which I'm gonna go through with you in a moment. 01:50:44.060 --> 01:50:45.300 We went back to the drawing board, 01:50:45.300 --> 01:50:47.860 came back in June with a new concept plan, 01:50:47.860 --> 01:50:51.100 which is generally consistent with what you see tonight, 01:50:51.100 --> 01:50:53.940 and after we went through city staff review, 01:50:53.940 --> 01:50:56.500 which started in June, we went back 01:50:56.500 --> 01:50:58.460 with two more meetings in September 01:50:58.460 --> 01:51:00.420 to just confirm the details and go over 01:51:00.420 --> 01:51:02.940 all the specifics with the neighbors. 01:51:02.940 --> 01:51:05.220 Of those six meetings, we had about five to 10, 01:51:05.220 --> 01:51:06.700 on average, per meeting. 01:51:06.700 --> 01:51:10.420 So our initial meetings in March, 01:51:10.420 --> 01:51:13.380 the concerns that we heard from the neighbors included, 01:51:13.380 --> 01:51:17.620 our dumpster location was near the residential property line, 01:51:17.620 --> 01:51:20.180 and they were concerned about food waste 01:51:20.180 --> 01:51:25.180 and associated pests that might be attracted. 01:51:25.180 --> 01:51:26.740 And the location of parking, 01:51:26.740 --> 01:51:28.340 while they had preferred the parking 01:51:28.340 --> 01:51:31.220 to be between the buildings and the property line, 01:51:31.220 --> 01:51:36.220 in 2020, the preference of the neighbors as a whole 01:51:36.220 --> 01:51:40.200 in our engagement was that they did not want the parking 01:51:40.200 --> 01:51:43.640 to be between the building and the property line. 01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:46.100 They were concerned, we had in this initial concept, 01:51:46.100 --> 01:51:47.660 some outdoor pickleball courts. 01:51:47.660 --> 01:51:49.540 They were concerned about noise pollution, 01:51:49.540 --> 01:51:53.820 and specifically the noise of those outdoor courts, 01:51:53.820 --> 01:51:55.900 which you'll see in our new concept plan. 01:51:55.900 --> 01:51:58.100 We have removed those, and everything is indoors, 01:51:58.100 --> 01:52:01.400 other than just a courtyard that's nestled 01:52:01.400 --> 01:52:05.740 between buildings that proposes no sports use. 01:52:05.740 --> 01:52:07.260 They were concerned about the possibility 01:52:07.260 --> 01:52:10.100 of people coming into the neighborhood through, 01:52:10.100 --> 01:52:12.060 there's an existing sidewalk easement 01:52:12.060 --> 01:52:15.300 that comes across the north end of the property line here. 01:52:15.300 --> 01:52:17.380 They didn't want people coming from the development 01:52:17.380 --> 01:52:21.900 into their neighborhood by utilizing that sidewalk easement. 01:52:21.900 --> 01:52:25.940 They were concerned about serving food and alcohol. 01:52:27.500 --> 01:52:29.380 That is one of the two concerns 01:52:29.380 --> 01:52:32.140 that we have not addressed of theirs. 01:52:32.140 --> 01:52:35.300 However, food and alcohol in a restaurant 01:52:35.300 --> 01:52:38.540 would be permitted under the zoning as it is today, 01:52:38.540 --> 01:52:41.740 and that's an integral part of their business plan. 01:52:41.740 --> 01:52:46.100 So it is proposed as a part of this development. 01:52:46.100 --> 01:52:50.380 It would be a restaurant that is interior to the facility. 01:52:50.380 --> 01:52:55.060 And then secondly, the neighbors to the northeast of us 01:52:55.060 --> 01:52:59.100 have significant drainage issues that exist today. 01:52:59.100 --> 01:53:03.900 They experience flooding on their property today. 01:53:03.900 --> 01:53:06.980 We've seen videos of it, we've seen photos of it, 01:53:06.980 --> 01:53:10.260 and they have drainage concerns that are valid, 01:53:10.260 --> 01:53:13.380 that occurred when the development to the north 01:53:13.380 --> 01:53:15.240 went in several years ago. 01:53:15.240 --> 01:53:19.860 You all know that the best we can do to address that 01:53:19.860 --> 01:53:22.860 is to comply with the drainage criteria that exists today, 01:53:22.860 --> 01:53:25.500 which would prevent us from creating 01:53:25.500 --> 01:53:27.920 more of an adverse effect on their property. 01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:30.860 So this is kind of our site plan today. 01:53:30.860 --> 01:53:32.180 I'm gonna zoom in on it in a minute 01:53:32.180 --> 01:53:33.940 and just point out a few features. 01:53:33.940 --> 01:53:36.940 But we did relocate the dumpster to the front 01:53:36.940 --> 01:53:38.600 of the property to get it as far away 01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:41.580 from the residential uses as possible. 01:53:41.580 --> 01:53:44.660 We relocated the parking, we moved it to the north end 01:53:44.660 --> 01:53:49.340 of the lot and pushed the building to the south end. 01:53:49.340 --> 01:53:52.460 We removed the outdoor pickleball courts, 01:53:52.460 --> 01:53:54.180 this little area in the middle here 01:53:54.180 --> 01:53:55.700 is the only thing that's outdoors 01:53:55.700 --> 01:53:58.780 and I'll show you a rendering of it here in a minute. 01:53:58.780 --> 01:54:02.380 And we're proposing fencing to prevent 01:54:02.380 --> 01:54:05.680 the pedestrian connectivity between the development 01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:07.860 and the existing neighborhood. 01:54:07.860 --> 01:54:09.900 As I pointed out already, what we did not change 01:54:09.900 --> 01:54:12.540 is serving food and alcohol indoors, 01:54:12.540 --> 01:54:15.100 which is permitted under the current zoning today. 01:54:15.100 --> 01:54:20.420 Angie went through all of the conditions 01:54:20.420 --> 01:54:21.300 that we're proposing. 01:54:21.300 --> 01:54:24.580 I won't reread those for you all, 01:54:24.580 --> 01:54:26.940 but I do wanna just zoom in on the site plan 01:54:26.940 --> 01:54:28.980 for a minute and point out a couple of things. 01:54:28.980 --> 01:54:31.260 So in this particular version of the site plan, 01:54:31.260 --> 01:54:33.980 north is to your right. 01:54:33.980 --> 01:54:37.820 And you can see here the dumpster location 01:54:37.820 --> 01:54:39.220 and how that's been positioned away 01:54:39.220 --> 01:54:42.620 from the single family residential. 01:54:42.620 --> 01:54:45.820 We are proposing an eight foot masonry wall here 01:54:45.820 --> 01:54:48.260 and then on the south end as well. 01:54:48.260 --> 01:54:51.500 Colonial drive will be emergency access only 01:54:51.500 --> 01:54:54.800 and then the way that the ordinance is written, 01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:57.540 we would be required to put a eight foot fence 01:54:57.540 --> 01:55:00.260 or masonry wall where none exists today 01:55:00.260 --> 01:55:02.000 on the eastern property line. 01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:03.500 The reason that we wrote it in that way 01:55:03.500 --> 01:55:06.540 is because if there's an existing fence 01:55:06.540 --> 01:55:08.900 that is near existing trees, 01:55:08.900 --> 01:55:13.120 we don't want the neighbors to have to lose existing trees 01:55:13.120 --> 01:55:15.220 in order to get a fence put in there. 01:55:15.220 --> 01:55:17.580 So that was kind of the overall preference 01:55:17.580 --> 01:55:20.620 of the neighbors that we had the flexibility. 01:55:20.620 --> 01:55:23.340 We had to provide a screening wall if they didn't have one, 01:55:23.340 --> 01:55:25.780 but we had the flexibility to determine what it was 01:55:25.780 --> 01:55:28.720 based on tree preservation and personal preference. 01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:31.820 Here's a couple of renderings. 01:55:31.820 --> 01:55:33.140 This is the entrance. 01:55:33.140 --> 01:55:37.020 This is facing south, the main entrance into the facility. 01:55:37.020 --> 01:55:39.740 Here's one looking up from an aerial 01:55:39.740 --> 01:55:42.000 where you can see the indoor courtyard. 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:44.540 I'm sorry, the outdoor courtyard. 01:55:44.540 --> 01:55:47.340 Here's a view of the courtyard itself 01:55:47.340 --> 01:55:52.220 and here's a rendering of the west elevation. 01:55:52.220 --> 01:55:54.340 And that is all I have. 01:55:54.340 --> 01:55:57.660 I do have, the property owner is here 01:55:57.660 --> 01:55:59.060 if you have any specific questions 01:55:59.060 --> 01:56:00.380 that you would like to ask them, 01:56:00.380 --> 01:56:03.460 but I'd be happy to answer any questions as well. 01:56:03.460 --> 01:56:04.300 Thank you. 01:56:04.300 --> 01:56:05.780 And I know we have several neighbors here 01:56:05.780 --> 01:56:07.500 and some of them may wanna speak, so. 01:56:07.500 --> 01:56:08.340 - Yeah, do have some cards. 01:56:08.340 --> 01:56:09.180 Thank you, Amy. 01:56:09.180 --> 01:56:11.000 I think we do have a question for you, Commissioner Peruette. 01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:11.840 - Thank you, Chair. 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:12.920 Just a couple quick ones. 01:56:12.920 --> 01:56:16.880 We've had this overlay PD process now 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:19.300 for maybe a year and a half, I think. 01:56:19.300 --> 01:56:23.780 What has been your experience going through this 01:56:23.780 --> 01:56:26.060 as far as the difficulty of this tool 01:56:26.060 --> 01:56:27.820 versus the full PD tool? 01:56:27.820 --> 01:56:28.980 And I know this is a little different 01:56:28.980 --> 01:56:30.300 'cause it was a PD before, 01:56:30.300 --> 01:56:33.620 but if you can offer some experience there, I'd help. 01:56:33.620 --> 01:56:36.860 - I have the benefit of having had the opportunity 01:56:36.860 --> 01:56:41.860 to do overlay zoning prior to the 2019 code being implemented 01:56:41.860 --> 01:56:44.700 and so I've experienced both 01:56:44.700 --> 01:56:49.300 and what I like about the overlay PD 01:56:49.300 --> 01:56:51.780 is that it is a simpler tool 01:56:51.780 --> 01:56:53.660 to be able to write in some conditions 01:56:53.660 --> 01:56:56.260 that help to address neighborhood concerns 01:56:56.260 --> 01:57:00.860 without having to spend $250,000 on full sets of plans 01:57:00.860 --> 01:57:04.860 to get a PD approved and we'll call it 100,000. 01:57:04.860 --> 01:57:06.780 It just kind of depends on the complexity of it, 01:57:06.780 --> 01:57:09.580 but it's a more straightforward tool 01:57:09.580 --> 01:57:13.300 that allows us to get what we need to get accomplished 01:57:13.300 --> 01:57:16.280 with a neighborhood when the concerns can be addressed 01:57:16.280 --> 01:57:17.540 in a text overlay. 01:57:17.540 --> 01:57:21.180 - Okay, and then I guess in the discussion 01:57:21.180 --> 01:57:23.980 with the neighbors to the east, 01:57:23.980 --> 01:57:31.980 I'm imagining this is only 250 feet away 01:57:31.980 --> 01:57:34.380 from the 35 right of way 01:57:34.380 --> 01:57:36.860 as far as the back property line, approximately, 01:57:36.860 --> 01:57:42.220 that by far from a noise concern perspective, 01:57:42.220 --> 01:57:45.820 it's primarily road noise from 35, is that accurate? 01:57:45.820 --> 01:57:47.380 - It is and we've talked about 01:57:47.380 --> 01:57:49.500 how the construction of the building itself 01:57:49.500 --> 01:57:52.220 will block some of that road noise. 01:57:52.220 --> 01:57:58.100 I think that the noise pollution concerns come from, 01:57:58.100 --> 01:58:00.380 if the restaurant's open until 10 p.m. 01:58:00.380 --> 01:58:02.200 or the facility is and people are leaving 01:58:02.200 --> 01:58:07.020 and joking and being loud or there were some concerns 01:58:07.020 --> 01:58:09.340 about whether or not you'd be able to hear pickleball 01:58:09.340 --> 01:58:11.060 from inside the facility, 01:58:11.060 --> 01:58:12.820 but we've addressed that with our architect 01:58:12.820 --> 01:58:17.820 to be sure that the wall panels are insulated 01:58:17.820 --> 01:58:20.260 and would prevent that sort of noise travel. 01:58:20.260 --> 01:58:21.260 - Okay, thank you. 01:58:21.260 --> 01:58:25.660 - Anything else for Amy? 01:58:25.660 --> 01:58:26.820 - May I share one more quick thing 01:58:26.820 --> 01:58:28.180 that I forgot to share? - Of course. 01:58:28.180 --> 01:58:31.900 - We have offered, if we make it through this PD process 01:58:31.900 --> 01:58:34.220 and move into full civil design 01:58:34.220 --> 01:58:37.700 to do a site visit with our civil engineer 01:58:37.700 --> 01:58:39.580 to kind of look at some of the drainage issues 01:58:39.580 --> 01:58:43.060 and see what we can do to help actually address them. 01:58:43.060 --> 01:58:45.380 We certainly don't wanna make 'em worse, 01:58:45.380 --> 01:58:47.540 but we'd like to try to make 'em better. 01:58:47.540 --> 01:58:49.220 - Great, thank you. - Thank you. 01:58:49.220 --> 01:58:52.820 - Okay, I do have some cards in front of me. 01:58:52.820 --> 01:58:54.300 Rose Scott. 01:58:54.300 --> 01:59:01.140 Hi there, if you'll state your name, your time. 01:59:01.140 --> 01:59:03.180 We'll begin and if you could speak into the microphone, 01:59:03.180 --> 01:59:04.020 that would be great. 01:59:04.020 --> 01:59:06.180 - My name is Rose Scott. 01:59:06.180 --> 01:59:09.620 I appreciate the opportunity to speak to y'all this evening. 01:59:09.620 --> 01:59:12.780 And I understand if I put a picture over here, 01:59:12.780 --> 01:59:15.460 it can be-- - That's true. 01:59:15.460 --> 01:59:16.300 We just gotta-- - Magically. 01:59:16.300 --> 01:59:18.180 - We gotta get the eye in the sky going, 01:59:18.180 --> 01:59:22.500 which our magical people in the back will do. 01:59:22.500 --> 01:59:23.700 There you go. 01:59:23.700 --> 01:59:25.180 - This is what we're talking about 01:59:25.180 --> 01:59:26.780 when we say a water problem. 01:59:26.780 --> 01:59:30.180 Brought to us by the city of Denton, 01:59:30.180 --> 01:59:33.700 which allowed the development of Windsor Farms. 01:59:33.700 --> 01:59:38.700 And we have been fighting this for 17 years now. 01:59:38.700 --> 01:59:42.780 And this was taken in May. 01:59:42.780 --> 01:59:46.420 And you can't tell, see this? 01:59:46.420 --> 01:59:49.180 - Oh, if you could use the microphone, please, I'm sorry. 01:59:49.180 --> 01:59:52.460 - Okay, I'm gonna put this right here and see what it does. 01:59:52.460 --> 01:59:56.700 This is the edge of our porch, right here. 01:59:56.700 --> 01:59:58.860 Here's the pole, here's the light. 01:59:58.860 --> 02:00:00.780 This is the lapping water. 02:00:01.820 --> 02:00:05.540 And I have spared you a picture of our garage, 02:00:05.540 --> 02:00:07.340 which also gets water. 02:00:07.340 --> 02:00:09.180 One more. 02:00:09.180 --> 02:00:12.180 Our backyard. 02:00:12.180 --> 02:00:21.660 I think you can see clearly what we're talking about 02:00:21.660 --> 02:00:26.460 when we say we have huge concerns about the water, 02:00:26.460 --> 02:00:31.060 the drainage, when we know that there's going to be 02:00:31.060 --> 02:00:35.980 a development of 3.185 acres 02:00:35.980 --> 02:00:41.900 that's covered in building and in hard surface, 02:00:41.900 --> 02:00:46.940 impervious to drainage, except for runoff. 02:00:46.940 --> 02:00:49.940 And the last thing we are interested in 02:00:49.940 --> 02:00:53.740 is more that runs off either into our yard 02:00:53.740 --> 02:00:55.940 or the Williams yard or anybody else 02:00:55.940 --> 02:00:57.980 who abuts this property. 02:01:00.500 --> 02:01:05.500 I will point out too that 3.185 acres 02:01:05.500 --> 02:01:11.820 actually equals 138,956.4 square feet, 02:01:11.820 --> 02:01:20.340 which will be incapable of absorbing water. 02:01:20.340 --> 02:01:23.620 So where does the runoff go? 02:01:23.620 --> 02:01:26.340 Well, there was some sort of, well, 02:01:26.340 --> 02:01:30.620 maybe we could do a pond or something. 02:01:30.620 --> 02:01:38.820 We have heard solutions before, and they didn't work. 02:01:38.820 --> 02:01:43.460 So this is our massive concern. 02:01:43.460 --> 02:01:48.380 Of course, we're also concerned about the parking behind us, 02:01:48.380 --> 02:01:53.380 about headlights and cars doors slamming as people leave 02:01:53.380 --> 02:01:57.380 having been in a restaurant and a pickle ball or the noise, 02:01:57.380 --> 02:02:01.580 the garbage that'll attract rats about the overall privacy. 02:02:01.580 --> 02:02:05.660 Yeah, we're concerned about those things too. 02:02:05.660 --> 02:02:06.500 We surely are. 02:02:06.500 --> 02:02:11.340 And I will say that Amy, thank you, 02:02:11.340 --> 02:02:14.900 has been a very gracious facilitator to this business. 02:02:14.900 --> 02:02:18.260 We appreciate the way that's been handled, 02:02:18.260 --> 02:02:20.860 but we still have grave concerns. 02:02:20.860 --> 02:02:25.860 I said in mine that I was conditionally approving. 02:02:25.860 --> 02:02:29.620 Basically, I hate the thought of this. 02:02:29.620 --> 02:02:33.900 I also realize that development is inevitable. 02:02:33.900 --> 02:02:38.820 And if it must occur, that surely it can occur in a way 02:02:38.820 --> 02:02:43.820 that doesn't cost the existing neighbors thousands of dollars 02:02:46.940 --> 02:02:51.740 to fix the screw up that by no fault of our own 02:02:51.740 --> 02:02:54.420 was brought literally to our own homes. 02:02:54.420 --> 02:02:57.300 And I thank you for listening. 02:02:57.300 --> 02:02:59.300 - Thank you very much, Ms. Scott. 02:02:59.300 --> 02:03:03.180 The next card I have is John Scott. 02:03:03.180 --> 02:03:09.620 If you'll state your name, your time will begin. 02:03:09.620 --> 02:03:11.100 - My name is John Scott. 02:03:11.100 --> 02:03:15.100 And yes, I am related to the previous speaker. 02:03:17.860 --> 02:03:20.140 We lived in that neighborhood. 02:03:20.140 --> 02:03:23.740 We were the first people to live in that house. 02:03:23.740 --> 02:03:26.620 The coyotes ran the field and all that kind of stuff. 02:03:26.620 --> 02:03:31.220 And when the development came north of us, 02:03:31.220 --> 02:03:33.460 this is background, this is very important. 02:03:33.460 --> 02:03:35.580 When the development came to the north of us, 02:03:35.580 --> 02:03:40.300 I was concerned about water issues. 02:03:40.300 --> 02:03:44.780 They have raised the level of the earth up there nine feet. 02:03:46.580 --> 02:03:49.060 We were assured everything was going to be fine. 02:03:49.060 --> 02:03:55.580 In front of me, an email that was sent to me 02:03:55.580 --> 02:04:00.580 on June the 28th, 2007, assuring me 02:04:00.580 --> 02:04:04.260 that they would take care of the development issues 02:04:04.260 --> 02:04:06.940 by kind of building a swale to the north of us 02:04:06.940 --> 02:04:09.140 to keep things off our property. 02:04:09.140 --> 02:04:11.620 That swale, which is completely inadequate, 02:04:11.620 --> 02:04:14.620 was completed in 2022. 02:04:16.900 --> 02:04:18.380 So we've been living with this problem. 02:04:18.380 --> 02:04:20.420 I went to the builders who were building 02:04:20.420 --> 02:04:21.300 the property up there. 02:04:21.300 --> 02:04:23.660 I said, we got problems with drainage. 02:04:23.660 --> 02:04:27.220 His solution was, basically, we've been allowed 02:04:27.220 --> 02:04:30.620 to build this development up here, go away, 02:04:30.620 --> 02:04:34.380 but I'll concede by putting downspouts 02:04:34.380 --> 02:04:36.740 on two of the houses up there, 02:04:36.740 --> 02:04:38.180 which did absolutely no good. 02:04:38.180 --> 02:04:42.980 This is only going to get worse and worse and worse. 02:04:42.980 --> 02:04:47.580 As Rose said, we have just spent thousands of dollars 02:04:47.580 --> 02:04:49.940 on some drainage fixes in the backyard. 02:04:49.940 --> 02:04:52.100 That seems to be an improvement. 02:04:52.100 --> 02:04:54.980 But what's going to happen is behind us, 02:04:54.980 --> 02:04:57.620 all of those trees are gonna go away, 02:04:57.620 --> 02:04:59.140 no matter what they tell you. 02:04:59.140 --> 02:05:00.500 They will go away. 02:05:00.500 --> 02:05:04.380 They're just junk trees under the power lines. 02:05:04.380 --> 02:05:06.780 And water's going to flow freely. 02:05:06.780 --> 02:05:09.460 And our house, and of course Greg, 02:05:11.100 --> 02:05:13.620 they've had water in their living room. 02:05:13.620 --> 02:05:17.020 We've only had it in our bedroom one time. 02:05:17.020 --> 02:05:19.380 We've had it in our garage. 02:05:19.380 --> 02:05:22.020 What she showed you, the photos of our back porch 02:05:22.020 --> 02:05:23.300 is very typical. 02:05:23.300 --> 02:05:25.540 The backyard floods constantly. 02:05:25.540 --> 02:05:30.260 And this will be up against our property. 02:05:30.260 --> 02:05:35.860 I have grave concerns this evening when I found out, 02:05:35.860 --> 02:05:38.100 and by the way, I echo what Rose said, 02:05:38.100 --> 02:05:41.060 that they've been very gracious and very fair 02:05:41.060 --> 02:05:42.940 in their conversations with us. 02:05:42.940 --> 02:05:46.020 I must say I am not at all pleased 02:05:46.020 --> 02:05:49.300 knowing that there's going to be alcohol served out there. 02:05:49.300 --> 02:05:52.220 This is not going to be your kids going 02:05:52.220 --> 02:05:53.300 and playing pickleball. 02:05:53.300 --> 02:05:55.860 This is going to be people out there drinking 02:05:55.860 --> 02:05:56.980 until the time they leave, 02:05:56.980 --> 02:05:59.860 and it's going to get really loud and noisy. 02:05:59.860 --> 02:06:02.820 So I was sort of on the border about saying 02:06:02.820 --> 02:06:04.940 I wholeheartedly approve this, 02:06:04.940 --> 02:06:07.500 until I found out about the alcohol sale. 02:06:07.500 --> 02:06:09.620 Assuming that they would take care 02:06:09.620 --> 02:06:11.340 of all of the other problems. 02:06:11.340 --> 02:06:14.660 Which for me, I know I sound like a broken record 02:06:14.660 --> 02:06:15.580 talking about the drainage. 02:06:15.580 --> 02:06:16.860 These poor people are hearing me, 02:06:16.860 --> 02:06:19.300 sick of hearing me talk about it. 02:06:19.300 --> 02:06:21.020 But I can't tell you how many times 02:06:21.020 --> 02:06:22.700 I've been up at three o'clock in the morning, 02:06:22.700 --> 02:06:27.700 sweeping out the garage and digging trenches by my driveway 02:06:27.700 --> 02:06:31.540 to get the water to flow away from the house myself, 02:06:31.540 --> 02:06:34.220 and trying to direct water around the house somehow 02:06:34.220 --> 02:06:36.140 so that it won't go into their house. 02:06:37.180 --> 02:06:39.420 Because you go down the hill, 02:06:39.420 --> 02:06:41.900 and it's like this from here to the end of street, 02:06:41.900 --> 02:06:45.260 and it's all down from there. 02:06:45.260 --> 02:06:51.300 So I hate to say it, 02:06:51.300 --> 02:06:54.420 but because of the alcohol sale issue, 02:06:54.420 --> 02:06:59.420 I must change my vote to being opposed to this, 02:06:59.420 --> 02:07:03.580 because we have spent too much money on our house, 02:07:03.580 --> 02:07:06.260 and too much money trying to take care of what 02:07:07.500 --> 02:07:10.460 the developer is intending to fix, 02:07:10.460 --> 02:07:13.860 that the city has never addressed properly. 02:07:13.860 --> 02:07:20.380 And I hold the city responsible for the photos 02:07:20.380 --> 02:07:22.820 that you were shown. 02:07:22.820 --> 02:07:25.300 Any questions? 02:07:25.300 --> 02:07:29.900 - I do not see any questions, 02:07:29.900 --> 02:07:33.020 but thank you for your concerns, appreciate it. 02:07:33.020 --> 02:07:37.020 Next card I have is Craig Williams. 02:07:38.180 --> 02:07:40.860 (clears throat) 02:07:40.860 --> 02:07:43.100 Ty, if you'll state your name, your time will begin. 02:07:43.100 --> 02:07:44.820 - Hi, I'm Craig Williams. 02:07:44.820 --> 02:07:47.860 I live next door to the Scotts. 02:07:47.860 --> 02:07:51.420 And basically I put in my provisional 02:07:51.420 --> 02:07:53.660 or conditional approval as well. 02:07:53.660 --> 02:07:55.740 They have done their due diligence with the meetings. 02:07:55.740 --> 02:07:57.500 We have had a lot addressed, 02:07:57.500 --> 02:07:59.940 but there still are some concerns. 02:07:59.940 --> 02:08:04.580 Mr. Scott said about the drainage, 02:08:04.580 --> 02:08:08.140 it's, I didn't spend as much as he did, 02:08:08.140 --> 02:08:10.380 but I've spent thousands of dollars myself 02:08:10.380 --> 02:08:15.380 with French drains and repairs from flooding. 02:08:15.380 --> 02:08:20.460 But so yes, that is a very big concern 02:08:20.460 --> 02:08:23.220 that if the drainage be handled properly, 02:08:23.220 --> 02:08:25.740 or at least the city could get a handle on it. 02:08:25.740 --> 02:08:31.740 And another thing I'm just kind of concerned about 02:08:32.100 --> 02:08:36.300 is I guess pickleball is getting really popular, 02:08:36.300 --> 02:08:39.420 but I feel that Denton is trying to become 02:08:39.420 --> 02:08:42.300 the North Texas hub of pickleball, 02:08:42.300 --> 02:08:45.740 because within this property, 02:08:45.740 --> 02:08:50.100 there's I think three other pickleball courts 02:08:50.100 --> 02:08:52.200 within six miles. 02:08:52.200 --> 02:08:54.460 You have Drinkers Pickleball. 02:08:54.460 --> 02:08:57.780 It's on where the old Brookshires was, 02:08:57.780 --> 02:08:59.540 was it Teasley in '35. 02:09:00.680 --> 02:09:04.940 There's the Pickler, which I think is, 02:09:04.940 --> 02:09:07.900 took over the drug emporium that was on University. 02:09:07.900 --> 02:09:10.620 That's about three miles away. 02:09:10.620 --> 02:09:12.900 And then you've got the brand new really nice courts 02:09:12.900 --> 02:09:15.620 that the city put in, the pickleball courts there, 02:09:15.620 --> 02:09:17.820 and the new tennis center, I believe, 02:09:17.820 --> 02:09:19.740 right at the North Lake Park. 02:09:19.740 --> 02:09:26.300 So there's three, there's three pickleball courts, 02:09:26.300 --> 02:09:29.700 I guess, or facilities, 02:09:29.700 --> 02:09:31.100 the furthest being six miles, 02:09:31.100 --> 02:09:34.340 other being two and three, respectively. 02:09:34.340 --> 02:09:38.540 So I'm just, the concern is this like, 02:09:38.540 --> 02:09:40.180 is this a fad that's gonna go away? 02:09:40.180 --> 02:09:41.460 Is this something that's gonna really blow up? 02:09:41.460 --> 02:09:42.940 If it's gonna blow up, I guess okay, 02:09:42.940 --> 02:09:44.500 but if it's a fad that's gonna go away, 02:09:44.500 --> 02:09:45.340 then I'm kind of wondering, 02:09:45.340 --> 02:09:47.260 I don't wanna have an empty facility sitting there 02:09:47.260 --> 02:09:49.780 or have it repurposed, 02:09:49.780 --> 02:09:51.200 or we're having to come down here again 02:09:51.200 --> 02:09:52.460 for another zoning, 02:09:52.460 --> 02:09:56.940 another zoning change. 02:09:57.980 --> 02:10:00.280 The one in 2020 that we approved to, 02:10:00.280 --> 02:10:07.800 we really thought that was a win for all of us. 02:10:07.800 --> 02:10:10.720 But then it sold, I guess, so I mean, 02:10:10.720 --> 02:10:12.140 I'm also concerned that what happens 02:10:12.140 --> 02:10:14.780 if this gets approved and then this new ownership 02:10:14.780 --> 02:10:16.980 decides they can't do this or don't wanna do it, 02:10:16.980 --> 02:10:21.280 and something else happens, unforeseen, 02:10:21.280 --> 02:10:24.580 and then they then sell it to another owner 02:10:24.580 --> 02:10:25.860 who we're gonna come back in here 02:10:25.860 --> 02:10:29.100 'cause they wanna tweak it again. 02:10:29.100 --> 02:10:31.020 So those are just some of my concerns 02:10:31.020 --> 02:10:33.860 that I had with this, 02:10:33.860 --> 02:10:38.860 and I'll also echo John's concerned about the alcohol. 02:10:38.860 --> 02:10:44.820 I know they kind of, it's a restaurant, I guess, 02:10:44.820 --> 02:10:46.340 that will probably serve alcohol, 02:10:46.340 --> 02:10:49.940 but I'm also kind of concerned about the, 02:10:49.940 --> 02:10:51.260 I mean, it's kind of in a neighborhood. 02:10:51.260 --> 02:10:54.060 There's really nothing else around us that has that. 02:10:54.060 --> 02:10:56.100 I mean, there's some restaurants down in University. 02:10:56.100 --> 02:11:00.540 There's the Chili's and a few other places that serve, 02:11:00.540 --> 02:11:02.340 but this is kind of really almost more nestled 02:11:02.340 --> 02:11:04.380 into the neighborhood in a way. 02:11:04.380 --> 02:11:08.700 And one other thing about the access to it, 02:11:08.700 --> 02:11:11.520 I think they were talking about not being viable 02:11:11.520 --> 02:11:16.340 for residential because of the access problems from 35, 02:11:16.340 --> 02:11:18.860 but I mean, if you're driving down the road, 02:11:18.860 --> 02:11:20.740 you're gonna have to exit University, 02:11:21.660 --> 02:11:25.420 the University exit, which is horrible right now anyway, 02:11:25.420 --> 02:11:27.460 to then go north to get to this facility 02:11:27.460 --> 02:11:29.500 'cause it's a one-way service road, 02:11:29.500 --> 02:11:30.820 or they're gonna have to come around 02:11:30.820 --> 02:11:33.420 and drive through the neighborhood to get to it. 02:11:33.420 --> 02:11:36.260 I don't, not sure, there's gonna be a huge amount 02:11:36.260 --> 02:11:37.660 of traffic coming through the neighborhood, 02:11:37.660 --> 02:11:40.500 but if it's something they're leaving a bar 02:11:40.500 --> 02:11:44.180 and have had drinks and are driving through the neighborhood, 02:11:44.180 --> 02:11:46.180 it might be a little bit more problematic, 02:11:46.180 --> 02:11:51.180 but in any case, that's all I have then. 02:11:51.260 --> 02:11:52.660 - Thank you. 02:11:52.660 --> 02:11:56.020 - Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Mr. Williams. 02:11:56.020 --> 02:11:59.780 Next card I have is Charles Lee. 02:11:59.780 --> 02:12:07.060 Don't see Mr. Lee in here. 02:12:07.060 --> 02:12:12.660 Okay, I'll go ahead and call the other card I have 02:12:12.660 --> 02:12:16.040 and then we'll see if Mr. Lee is back. 02:12:16.040 --> 02:12:17.380 Elizabeth McDonald. 02:12:22.100 --> 02:12:25.100 Hi there, if you'll state your name, your time will begin. 02:12:25.100 --> 02:12:26.180 - Okay, thank you. 02:12:26.180 --> 02:12:30.140 I am Elizabeth McDonald, and I'm the email that was sent, 02:12:30.140 --> 02:12:32.780 and so you may have already seen some of the, 02:12:32.780 --> 02:12:34.580 I guess, comments that I had. 02:12:34.580 --> 02:12:39.580 I would like to echo what the previous speakers have said 02:12:39.580 --> 02:12:44.180 in terms of connecting with Amy, she has been fantastic. 02:12:44.180 --> 02:12:48.700 I really appreciate so much her, just her time with us, 02:12:48.700 --> 02:12:51.300 and asking questions individually. 02:12:51.300 --> 02:12:53.660 That really helps ease fears, 02:12:53.660 --> 02:12:56.340 and so I'd like to really honor that in her. 02:12:56.340 --> 02:12:58.980 And I would also like to say that I don't know 02:12:58.980 --> 02:13:01.700 that I have the same exact drainage issues 02:13:01.700 --> 02:13:03.820 that my neighbors have, but we did have to put 02:13:03.820 --> 02:13:07.260 in a French drain, we did have some water in our home 02:13:07.260 --> 02:13:11.780 right after we moved in, and the French drain has helped, 02:13:11.780 --> 02:13:15.100 but there's always just this running to check the back porch 02:13:15.100 --> 02:13:17.060 to make sure we're not having a big situation, 02:13:17.060 --> 02:13:20.660 every time we get a lot of rain, so I do think that 02:13:20.660 --> 02:13:22.900 if that could be addressed, that would be fabulous. 02:13:22.900 --> 02:13:26.460 My two main concerns are, we do not know 02:13:26.460 --> 02:13:28.660 the hours of operation, that's the first one. 02:13:28.660 --> 02:13:31.300 And at this point, I think we should know that, 02:13:31.300 --> 02:13:34.900 for me to feel any sense of an ability to say 02:13:34.900 --> 02:13:36.460 that I do approve this. 02:13:36.460 --> 02:13:40.140 So I want full transparency, and I'd like to really know 02:13:40.140 --> 02:13:41.740 what is going to occur with the facility, 02:13:41.740 --> 02:13:43.660 so I think that should be provided. 02:13:43.660 --> 02:13:45.340 I'm grateful for what Amy shared tonight, 02:13:45.340 --> 02:13:47.940 but I would really like to know what that's gonna look like. 02:13:47.940 --> 02:13:51.060 And then the other is the noise. 02:13:51.060 --> 02:13:52.580 I'm very concerned about that. 02:13:52.580 --> 02:13:54.420 Now Amy did, when I spoke with her, she did say 02:13:54.420 --> 02:13:56.220 that we would not hear a thing in the building, 02:13:56.220 --> 02:13:57.060 which is great. 02:13:57.060 --> 02:14:01.380 And I like the courtyard, but I'm concerned 02:14:01.380 --> 02:14:04.700 that that could be an area where people start playing music 02:14:04.700 --> 02:14:08.340 or they're out there talking really loud or doing things 02:14:08.340 --> 02:14:10.260 that would not provide the peace that we need 02:14:10.260 --> 02:14:13.460 to be able to live peacefully in our homes. 02:14:13.460 --> 02:14:15.540 This is where we live, this is where we are. 02:14:15.540 --> 02:14:20.540 And I actually have worked out of my house online, 02:14:20.540 --> 02:14:24.500 and I would need the peace and the quiet 02:14:24.500 --> 02:14:25.980 to be able to even focus and concentrate. 02:14:25.980 --> 02:14:29.540 So I think that knowing what we're up against, 02:14:29.540 --> 02:14:32.100 what that would be, would be great. 02:14:32.100 --> 02:14:35.300 And also if we could also find out how big the restaurant is, 02:14:35.300 --> 02:14:39.220 how many people it will seat, I think that would help me 02:14:39.220 --> 02:14:41.180 to understand a little bit more. 02:14:41.180 --> 02:14:43.620 I wanted to say that I was in favor, 02:14:43.620 --> 02:14:47.220 but I can't until I have those answers. 02:14:47.220 --> 02:14:48.700 I love Denton. 02:14:48.700 --> 02:14:50.900 My sister who's with me, she got her degree 02:14:50.900 --> 02:14:52.380 at the University of North Texas. 02:14:52.380 --> 02:14:55.540 I'm thrilled for Denton to have businesses 02:14:55.540 --> 02:14:56.620 that will succeed. 02:14:56.620 --> 02:14:57.900 I had the privilege of working 02:14:57.900 --> 02:15:00.500 for Texas Women's University for 16 years. 02:15:00.500 --> 02:15:04.300 And so I'm not against wonderful things occurring, 02:15:04.300 --> 02:15:07.420 but we do need to figure out how we can make this work 02:15:07.420 --> 02:15:10.540 for our neighborhood so that we really can do this 02:15:10.540 --> 02:15:12.340 for our neighborhood so that we really don't have to see it 02:15:12.340 --> 02:15:16.180 or hear it, hoping that everything would be so successful 02:15:16.180 --> 02:15:20.060 with whatever gets provided there in that area 02:15:20.060 --> 02:15:23.300 for a business, but in a way that we can 02:15:23.300 --> 02:15:26.820 live comfortably in our homes 02:15:26.820 --> 02:15:31.460 and still be contributing citizens to this city. 02:15:31.460 --> 02:15:33.900 And so those would be my thoughts. 02:15:33.900 --> 02:15:34.740 Thank you so much. 02:15:34.740 --> 02:15:35.580 - Thank you. 02:15:39.580 --> 02:15:42.700 Okay, so that leaves me with the last card I have, 02:15:42.700 --> 02:15:47.700 which is Mr. Lee, and I will give him one more minute, 02:15:47.700 --> 02:15:51.540 if that. (laughs) 02:15:51.540 --> 02:15:57.860 If not, his would be the last card I have. 02:15:57.860 --> 02:16:00.580 Is there anyone here who did not fill out a card 02:16:00.580 --> 02:16:02.340 who wishes to speak on this item? 02:16:02.340 --> 02:16:06.500 Okay. 02:16:10.460 --> 02:16:12.300 (faintly speaking) 02:16:12.300 --> 02:16:14.820 I will go ahead and close the public hearing. 02:16:14.820 --> 02:16:22.060 And I will open up the floor for discussion or motion. 02:16:22.060 --> 02:16:31.420 Commissioner Pruitt, sorry. 02:16:31.420 --> 02:16:32.260 - Thank you, Chair. 02:16:32.260 --> 02:16:34.460 I'll ask a question for staff 02:16:34.460 --> 02:16:36.220 that we may not have the answer to, 02:16:36.220 --> 02:16:39.460 and I'm sorry that that's my mode of operation. 02:16:39.460 --> 02:16:42.140 This evening. (laughs) 02:16:42.140 --> 02:16:47.140 Just in general, you know, I look at the topography there. 02:16:47.140 --> 02:16:50.740 I'm not able to look at the drainage infrastructure 02:16:50.740 --> 02:16:52.540 because apparently somebody's gonna throw a bomb 02:16:52.540 --> 02:16:53.700 in the sewer. 02:16:53.700 --> 02:16:58.300 I just, help me understand why it's so bad. 02:16:58.300 --> 02:16:59.820 When I look at the topo map, 02:16:59.820 --> 02:17:06.020 it looks like the flow of water is from north to south. 02:17:06.900 --> 02:17:09.980 The subject property is actually kind of from northeast 02:17:09.980 --> 02:17:14.740 to southwest, sort of away from the neighbors to the east. 02:17:14.740 --> 02:17:16.780 And it doesn't look like it's a great deal 02:17:16.780 --> 02:17:18.800 of watershed coming south. 02:17:18.800 --> 02:17:23.140 At the same time, the area just to the east 02:17:23.140 --> 02:17:24.580 was developed a long time ago 02:17:24.580 --> 02:17:29.540 when our drainage standards and stormwater systems 02:17:29.540 --> 02:17:33.620 were not the same standards as they are now. 02:17:33.620 --> 02:17:38.140 I believe the Windsor, 02:17:38.140 --> 02:17:39.340 what's the name of it again, Windsor? 02:17:39.340 --> 02:17:41.940 - Windsor Farms. - Farms, thank you. 02:17:41.940 --> 02:17:44.180 It looks in the historical maps 02:17:44.180 --> 02:17:46.540 like it broke ground in 2005, I think, 02:17:46.540 --> 02:17:48.920 and so that was a long time ago. 02:17:48.920 --> 02:17:54.700 Thank you for listening to me ramble. 02:17:54.700 --> 02:17:59.220 The question is really, it doesn't look to me 02:17:59.220 --> 02:18:04.220 like the subject property has a lot of watershed 02:18:04.220 --> 02:18:10.140 that will flow toward the neighbors to the east. 02:18:10.140 --> 02:18:15.820 It looks to me like perhaps a significant portion 02:18:15.820 --> 02:18:19.620 of the drainage issues are adjacent, 02:18:19.620 --> 02:18:22.980 but not related to what might happen here. 02:18:22.980 --> 02:18:27.560 And so I wanna make sure we set up expectations 02:18:27.560 --> 02:18:32.560 and let the residents know whatever process 02:18:32.560 --> 02:18:39.820 or status the stormwater update is coming 02:18:39.820 --> 02:18:45.760 to be able to have realistic expectations 02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:48.320 about how much improvement might come 02:18:48.320 --> 02:18:51.100 so that we don't get ourselves in a situation where, 02:18:51.100 --> 02:18:52.980 well, I thought this development was gonna fix it 02:18:52.980 --> 02:18:54.940 and then it didn't, and then what do I do? 02:18:54.940 --> 02:18:56.040 Does that make sense? 02:18:57.300 --> 02:19:00.800 - Yes, I follow, and I'll try my best to address it, 02:19:00.800 --> 02:19:04.700 and then Tina can chime in and add more color to it 02:19:04.700 --> 02:19:06.820 if I can't adequately capture everything. 02:19:06.820 --> 02:19:13.820 So your initial glance at our inner maps is accurate. 02:19:13.820 --> 02:19:17.060 There's not existing floodplain on the area 02:19:17.060 --> 02:19:20.720 nor any riparian or water-related eases, 02:19:20.720 --> 02:19:23.140 either on the site or immediately adjacent to it. 02:19:23.140 --> 02:19:26.500 There are some of those areas further to the northeast 02:19:26.500 --> 02:19:28.660 on the north side of Windsor, 02:19:28.660 --> 02:19:31.660 and it is likely that some of these drainage concerns 02:19:31.660 --> 02:19:36.660 are part of a larger area drainage problem. 02:19:36.660 --> 02:19:41.060 As it comes to the development of the site specifically, 02:19:41.060 --> 02:19:45.960 should this go forward to civil engineering plans, 02:19:45.960 --> 02:19:48.200 detailed engineering review is required, 02:19:48.200 --> 02:19:50.700 and that includes a review of the drainage systems 02:19:50.700 --> 02:19:52.580 on the lot. 02:19:52.580 --> 02:19:55.620 I don't know that I could speak to any sort of guarantee 02:19:55.620 --> 02:19:58.500 that it might improve the situation. 02:19:58.500 --> 02:20:02.340 It likely would put, it would add impervious surface, 02:20:02.340 --> 02:20:04.740 but would also account for that impervious surface 02:20:04.740 --> 02:20:08.300 and could not increase the flow of water. 02:20:08.300 --> 02:20:10.380 If there are known issues on site, 02:20:10.380 --> 02:20:13.400 that could be an opportunity for them to be improved, 02:20:13.400 --> 02:20:15.140 but that would need to be done and reviewed 02:20:15.140 --> 02:20:17.300 at that time of study, which at this point, 02:20:17.300 --> 02:20:19.100 we're just not there quite yet. 02:20:19.100 --> 02:20:22.260 We're still talking about the nuts and bolts of the zoning. 02:20:22.260 --> 02:20:24.260 - Yeah, totally understand. 02:20:24.260 --> 02:20:28.020 Maybe just if there's an update for the residents 02:20:28.020 --> 02:20:30.420 on what we're in the process 02:20:30.420 --> 02:20:34.300 of the stormwater needs assessment we are 02:20:34.300 --> 02:20:36.100 and what that planning phase is. 02:20:36.100 --> 02:20:37.900 It's been a long time since I've heard 02:20:37.900 --> 02:20:41.180 that we were putting together a large report like that. 02:20:41.180 --> 02:20:45.860 Even if it's something where we work with the applicant 02:20:45.860 --> 02:20:48.660 to distribute that information to the residents, 02:20:48.660 --> 02:20:51.600 I just wanna make sure we don't have a, 02:20:51.600 --> 02:20:54.740 I thought this was said and now it's still a problem 02:20:54.740 --> 02:20:56.340 situation, does that make sense? 02:20:56.340 --> 02:21:02.900 - I don't know if I have anything really more to add 02:21:02.900 --> 02:21:07.740 other than I'm not aware of a master stormwater plan 02:21:07.740 --> 02:21:08.580 that's being developed. 02:21:08.580 --> 02:21:11.020 I know we were working on water and sanitary sewer, 02:21:11.020 --> 02:21:13.760 but stormwater escapes me right now. 02:21:13.760 --> 02:21:18.960 I will attest that I am not an engineer, nor is Angie, 02:21:18.960 --> 02:21:23.960 so we're land use planners, but here more recently, 02:21:23.960 --> 02:21:28.620 typically what we find with our development projects 02:21:28.620 --> 02:21:32.740 because of our standards being to a higher quality 02:21:32.740 --> 02:21:34.480 and higher level of performance, 02:21:34.480 --> 02:21:37.140 potentially compared to decades ago, 02:21:37.140 --> 02:21:40.400 that we are very concerned regarding making sure 02:21:40.400 --> 02:21:43.060 the development or when a property develops 02:21:43.060 --> 02:21:45.340 that they are not, that that development 02:21:45.340 --> 02:21:47.740 is not increasing any stormwater runoff. 02:21:47.740 --> 02:21:51.580 They do have to account for the developed conditions 02:21:51.580 --> 02:21:56.580 so that it is not at a worst level of runoff, 02:21:56.580 --> 02:21:59.380 that's a way to describe that, 02:21:59.380 --> 02:22:01.260 so that it's not a worst level of runoff 02:22:01.260 --> 02:22:02.900 prior to pre-developed conditions. 02:22:02.900 --> 02:22:07.900 So if 50 cubic feet of water were leaving the site today 02:22:07.900 --> 02:22:12.140 in an undeveloped state, then after the property 02:22:12.140 --> 02:22:14.660 is developed, no more than 50 cubic feet of water 02:22:14.660 --> 02:22:18.020 could leave the site, to use an example. 02:22:18.020 --> 02:22:22.300 So we are conscientious of it, and we look for that. 02:22:22.300 --> 02:22:25.680 I think if, also I would point out that many times, 02:22:25.680 --> 02:22:30.020 obviously this did not happen when the neighborhood 02:22:30.020 --> 02:22:34.540 to the north of the residents who have expressed concern 02:22:34.540 --> 02:22:37.180 happened their situation, but today, 02:22:37.180 --> 02:22:40.660 I mean we are very conscientious of drainage concerns 02:22:40.660 --> 02:22:44.020 as we review construction plans to try and ensure 02:22:44.020 --> 02:22:46.100 that we're not creating any situations 02:22:46.100 --> 02:22:49.680 where there's adverse, negative drainage implications 02:22:49.680 --> 02:22:50.700 on adjoining properties. 02:22:50.700 --> 02:22:52.500 We treat that very seriously. 02:22:52.500 --> 02:22:59.620 - Commissioner Pridharm. 02:22:59.620 --> 02:23:03.540 - I have a question related to noise, 02:23:03.540 --> 02:23:06.620 and Amy, I'm not sure if you address this. 02:23:06.620 --> 02:23:07.980 What's the max capacity? 02:23:07.980 --> 02:23:12.660 - That's an interesting question, 02:23:12.660 --> 02:23:15.380 and it's kind of a challenging formula. 02:23:15.380 --> 02:23:17.900 I don't know off the top of my head. 02:23:17.900 --> 02:23:19.220 If I can pull up the site plan, 02:23:19.220 --> 02:23:21.020 I can at least show you guys how many 02:23:21.020 --> 02:23:24.020 courts we're looking at. 02:23:24.020 --> 02:23:25.660 Give me just one second here. 02:23:25.660 --> 02:23:32.740 We've got 16 courts. 02:23:32.740 --> 02:23:36.900 As you can see, the seating area is very small. 02:23:36.900 --> 02:23:40.580 It's not like we're seating hundreds of people. 02:23:40.580 --> 02:23:43.660 It's gonna be a concession style restaurant 02:23:43.660 --> 02:23:45.700 that's intended to be an accessory use 02:23:45.700 --> 02:23:47.660 to the actual pickleball courts. 02:23:47.660 --> 02:23:52.060 The actual capacity would be a function 02:23:52.060 --> 02:23:54.420 of a number of things from whether it's sprinkled 02:23:54.420 --> 02:23:56.380 and how many parking spaces there are 02:23:56.380 --> 02:23:58.060 and what the square footage is 02:23:58.060 --> 02:23:59.380 and what the construction type is, 02:23:59.380 --> 02:24:03.020 so I don't have that specific answer for you. 02:24:03.020 --> 02:24:05.940 Unfortunately, I can tell you that we've got 02:24:05.940 --> 02:24:10.500 roughly 70 parking spaces, 02:24:10.500 --> 02:24:15.020 so that probably gives you some gauge there as well. 02:24:15.020 --> 02:24:18.560 I do also, if you don't mind, 02:24:18.560 --> 02:24:20.960 I want to address Commissioner Pruitt's question 02:24:20.960 --> 02:24:21.800 about drainage. 02:24:21.800 --> 02:24:25.020 Yes, the site drains from the northwest to the southeast, 02:24:25.020 --> 02:24:29.580 and we account for that in terms of where we believe 02:24:29.580 --> 02:24:32.540 the detention and the drainage will be handled. 02:24:32.540 --> 02:24:35.100 We also believe that some of what's coming from the north 02:24:35.100 --> 02:24:36.620 is coming across our property 02:24:36.620 --> 02:24:38.820 and that we would have to handle that as well. 02:24:38.820 --> 02:24:42.240 I'm sorry about that, but did that cover your question? 02:24:42.240 --> 02:24:44.900 - Thank you. 02:24:44.900 --> 02:24:47.020 - Thank you, Commissioner Villarreal. 02:24:47.020 --> 02:24:48.300 - Thank you, Chair. 02:24:48.300 --> 02:24:49.780 Amy, a quick question. 02:24:49.780 --> 02:24:50.740 I know this came up earlier. 02:24:50.740 --> 02:24:52.460 I'm not sure if you mentioned it, 02:24:52.460 --> 02:24:53.900 but we know there's gonna be alcohol sales. 02:24:53.900 --> 02:24:56.620 Is that just beer and wine or is there a full bar? 02:24:56.620 --> 02:24:59.060 - It would be a restaurant, so it's not a bar. 02:24:59.060 --> 02:25:01.460 It's a restaurant that would serve alcohol, 02:25:01.460 --> 02:25:04.900 so it would have to be less than 50% of the sales 02:25:04.900 --> 02:25:08.020 would have to be predominantly food. 02:25:08.020 --> 02:25:09.340 I don't know that they've made a decision 02:25:09.340 --> 02:25:12.260 about whether or not they would serve mixed drinks, 02:25:12.260 --> 02:25:14.860 but I would go on the assumption 02:25:14.860 --> 02:25:16.340 that if they want a full restaurant, 02:25:16.340 --> 02:25:17.940 that they probably would. 02:25:17.940 --> 02:25:18.940 - Got it, thank you. 02:25:18.940 --> 02:25:25.020 - Commissioner Villarreal. 02:25:25.020 --> 02:25:28.180 - I'm gonna move approval. 02:25:28.180 --> 02:25:30.740 Amy, I think you did a great job 02:25:30.740 --> 02:25:33.060 really talking with the community here, 02:25:33.060 --> 02:25:36.260 just getting folks to come and even offer conditional support 02:25:36.260 --> 02:25:39.020 after the amount of hardship they've been through 02:25:39.020 --> 02:25:40.460 due to surrounding development, I think, 02:25:40.460 --> 02:25:42.460 shows a lot of effort on your part. 02:25:42.460 --> 02:25:46.020 So I understand there's a lot of concern here, 02:25:46.020 --> 02:25:46.860 fully understand the concern. 02:25:46.860 --> 02:25:48.980 Hopefully we can, the city can help address 02:25:48.980 --> 02:25:51.780 some of those drainage issues with y'all. 02:25:51.780 --> 02:25:55.260 But with what we have currently, I'm gonna move approval. 02:25:55.260 --> 02:25:57.220 - Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt. 02:25:58.740 --> 02:26:03.740 I will second, and I'm glad to see this property 02:26:03.740 --> 02:26:08.420 moved to an overlay PD instead of a full PD. 02:26:08.420 --> 02:26:10.700 So, yeah, thank you. 02:26:10.700 --> 02:26:14.980 - Got a first and a second for approval. 02:26:14.980 --> 02:26:15.820 Any discussion? 02:26:15.820 --> 02:26:19.820 Yeah, I'll go ahead and just say a couple things 02:26:19.820 --> 02:26:24.580 and understand the drainage issue 02:26:24.580 --> 02:26:28.020 and hopefully we'll continue to talk about that. 02:26:28.020 --> 02:26:29.620 I'll be bringing that up at the end of the meeting 02:26:29.620 --> 02:26:30.620 as a matter of fact. 02:26:30.620 --> 02:26:37.420 It's certainly not the fault of this developer, those issues. 02:26:37.420 --> 02:26:43.420 And this development won't make that worse, 02:26:43.420 --> 02:26:44.700 it can't make that worse. 02:26:44.700 --> 02:26:49.460 So that in and of itself I think is a separate problem. 02:26:49.460 --> 02:26:53.780 The compromises that have been done 02:26:53.780 --> 02:26:57.940 in relation to the protection of the neighborhood 02:26:57.940 --> 02:27:00.100 is pretty substantial. 02:27:00.100 --> 02:27:02.980 When you look at how it's zoned now, 02:27:02.980 --> 02:27:04.300 restaurants are allowed. 02:27:04.300 --> 02:27:10.340 So that can be done, it has just limiting 02:27:10.340 --> 02:27:13.940 right behind the homes, it to offices, 02:27:13.940 --> 02:27:18.500 but restaurant is allowed now currently on site. 02:27:18.500 --> 02:27:24.580 So with this the way it's done, 02:27:24.580 --> 02:27:26.260 with where they've moved things, 02:27:26.260 --> 02:27:28.300 with where they've put parking, 02:27:28.300 --> 02:27:33.300 all of it is done to help protect the neighborhood 02:27:33.300 --> 02:27:35.340 that's already there. 02:27:35.340 --> 02:27:38.900 What we have now sitting on the property, 02:27:38.900 --> 02:27:42.220 other than that little bit of east side 02:27:42.220 --> 02:27:44.860 that says it has to be medical offices, 02:27:44.860 --> 02:27:46.700 that's the only protection that's on it. 02:27:46.700 --> 02:27:51.380 It could be anything else that's permitted 02:27:51.380 --> 02:27:53.740 in the zoning district without any kind 02:27:53.740 --> 02:27:56.580 of compromise made. 02:27:56.580 --> 02:28:01.580 So yeah, I think the applicant has done 02:28:01.580 --> 02:28:03.660 a great job reaching out. 02:28:03.660 --> 02:28:05.540 I mean, I think you all have valid concerns, 02:28:05.540 --> 02:28:09.580 but I think they're concerns that are aside 02:28:09.580 --> 02:28:12.180 from this request. 02:28:12.180 --> 02:28:16.660 So with that, is there anyone else 02:28:16.660 --> 02:28:18.820 who got a first and a second for approval? 02:28:18.820 --> 02:28:20.300 Yeah, go ahead, yep. 02:28:23.500 --> 02:28:25.260 Thanks to my subject matter experts 02:28:25.260 --> 02:28:26.580 working behind the scenes. 02:28:26.580 --> 02:28:28.140 They were able to share with me 02:28:28.140 --> 02:28:30.420 that apparently our engineering staff 02:28:30.420 --> 02:28:33.020 did present a stormwater master plan needs assessment 02:28:33.020 --> 02:28:36.660 to city council back in September of 2023. 02:28:36.660 --> 02:28:38.020 We have not found though yet 02:28:38.020 --> 02:28:41.060 where the plan has gone back to them for adoption. 02:28:41.060 --> 02:28:44.420 So we presume that that's still in the works. 02:28:44.420 --> 02:28:46.500 Okay, thank you. 02:28:46.500 --> 02:28:50.180 Okay, there's nothing else. 02:28:50.180 --> 02:28:51.740 We'll go ahead and vote please. 02:28:53.500 --> 02:28:56.260 (mouse clicking) 02:28:56.260 --> 02:29:05.860 That motion will carry three, one. 02:29:05.860 --> 02:29:09.900 That will move to city council then December 3rd. 02:29:09.900 --> 02:29:17.380 Okay, next is 5C, Z240011. 02:29:17.380 --> 02:29:19.700 We'll open the public hearing 02:29:19.700 --> 02:29:23.060 and invite Julie Wyatt for presentation. 02:29:23.860 --> 02:29:24.700 Good evening. 02:29:24.700 --> 02:29:30.900 There we go. 02:29:30.900 --> 02:29:35.420 All right, good evening. 02:29:35.420 --> 02:29:36.980 I'm Julie Wyatt and I am presenting 02:29:36.980 --> 02:29:41.220 Z2411, DISD transportation facility. 02:29:41.220 --> 02:29:45.260 All right, so the request before you 02:29:45.260 --> 02:29:50.260 is to rezone approximately 10 acres owned by Denton ISD 02:29:50.620 --> 02:29:54.140 from our sixth district to public facilities district. 02:29:54.140 --> 02:29:56.380 The property is located or it's situated 02:29:56.380 --> 02:29:59.620 in the east side of town located just north 02:29:59.620 --> 02:30:04.340 of the Ryan High School campus, south of Mills Road. 02:30:04.340 --> 02:30:07.140 So kind of sandwich between those two. 02:30:07.140 --> 02:30:09.660 And it's shown in blue on your screen, 02:30:09.660 --> 02:30:11.140 the outline blue here. 02:30:11.140 --> 02:30:13.260 There you go. 02:30:13.260 --> 02:30:16.140 And really there are two purposes for this request. 02:30:16.140 --> 02:30:20.860 First is it's consistent with the city's typical practice 02:30:20.860 --> 02:30:23.300 of having public facilities zoning 02:30:23.300 --> 02:30:25.420 on properties owned by government entities 02:30:25.420 --> 02:30:29.540 in that city, state, county, and school. 02:30:29.540 --> 02:30:32.580 It's also intended to facilitate relocation 02:30:32.580 --> 02:30:34.860 of their transportation facility 02:30:34.860 --> 02:30:37.780 that is located just west of the subject property 02:30:37.780 --> 02:30:40.300 and it is outlined in yellow on your screen. 02:30:40.300 --> 02:30:41.460 So there's the current. 02:30:41.460 --> 02:30:44.940 The Denton development code classifies this use 02:30:44.940 --> 02:30:46.860 as a community service. 02:30:46.860 --> 02:30:48.900 It is important to note that community service 02:30:48.900 --> 02:30:50.940 is actually allowed in all zoning districts 02:30:50.940 --> 02:30:52.460 within the city of Denton. 02:30:52.460 --> 02:30:54.620 But this rezoning would help them develop 02:30:54.620 --> 02:30:56.740 in a way that those design standards 02:30:56.740 --> 02:30:59.980 would be consistent with the use that they're proposing. 02:30:59.980 --> 02:31:04.860 So we reviewed the case against the comprehensive plan 02:31:04.860 --> 02:31:06.100 and it is consistent. 02:31:06.100 --> 02:31:08.660 It's consistent with the future land use designation. 02:31:08.660 --> 02:31:10.900 First of all, the subject property is designated 02:31:10.900 --> 02:31:12.340 as low residential. 02:31:12.340 --> 02:31:15.500 Typically we see low density single family 02:31:15.500 --> 02:31:16.780 for low residential, 02:31:16.780 --> 02:31:19.660 but that category also includes the supporting services 02:31:19.660 --> 02:31:21.220 like educational facilities. 02:31:21.220 --> 02:31:24.020 And this PF district is consistent with that 02:31:24.020 --> 02:31:27.100 not only in zoning, but also in that use 02:31:27.100 --> 02:31:31.660 and that it does further that educational mission 02:31:31.660 --> 02:31:32.820 of Denton ISD. 02:31:32.820 --> 02:31:34.900 It's also consistent with our housing goals 02:31:34.900 --> 02:31:37.820 to provide those adequate public facilities 02:31:37.820 --> 02:31:41.300 and because it is consistent with that educational mission, 02:31:41.300 --> 02:31:43.260 it's consistent with that goal as well. 02:31:43.260 --> 02:31:47.260 We also looked at impacts to the surrounding property. 02:31:47.260 --> 02:31:48.620 This is kind of a unique case, 02:31:48.620 --> 02:31:50.100 something we don't see very often 02:31:50.100 --> 02:31:52.980 and that the use is actually located 02:31:52.980 --> 02:31:56.340 just about 420 feet from the proposed location. 02:31:56.340 --> 02:31:58.900 So it's really not introducing any new uses 02:31:58.900 --> 02:32:01.020 to the area or activities. 02:32:01.020 --> 02:32:04.340 There really is just shifting it toward the east. 02:32:04.340 --> 02:32:07.340 Any new development would have to meet current regulations 02:32:07.340 --> 02:32:09.940 and that includes things like street trees, 02:32:09.940 --> 02:32:12.700 screening, landscaping, buffering, 02:32:12.700 --> 02:32:15.060 and site design considerations. 02:32:15.060 --> 02:32:17.620 Because the use is existing and operational 02:32:17.620 --> 02:32:18.820 just down the street, 02:32:18.820 --> 02:32:21.740 we don't anticipate a significant increase in daily trips 02:32:21.740 --> 02:32:23.340 associated with it. 02:32:23.340 --> 02:32:27.220 And consistent with what they have currently 02:32:27.220 --> 02:32:28.860 on their transportation facility, 02:32:28.860 --> 02:32:31.980 they are proposing a right turn lane into the site 02:32:31.980 --> 02:32:35.420 that allow those buses to move out of the travel lanes 02:32:35.420 --> 02:32:37.460 to get in the subject property. 02:32:37.460 --> 02:32:41.940 And you can see, there's, I took a couple of photos 02:32:41.940 --> 02:32:45.100 and here's that existing right turn lane 02:32:45.100 --> 02:32:46.820 into the current facility. 02:32:46.820 --> 02:32:51.100 And here is a photo of the future location. 02:32:51.100 --> 02:32:54.660 Public outreach was sent out. 02:32:54.660 --> 02:32:56.660 We did hear from one community member 02:32:56.660 --> 02:32:58.220 and I think you got that email. 02:32:58.220 --> 02:33:00.300 There were concerns about Mills Road 02:33:00.300 --> 02:33:02.060 as well as some security on the side. 02:33:02.060 --> 02:33:04.820 I think we addressed the security question 02:33:04.820 --> 02:33:09.820 at work session in that they will fence 02:33:09.820 --> 02:33:13.540 and make sure that those buses are in a secured area. 02:33:13.540 --> 02:33:16.860 We've also forwarded the community members' concerns 02:33:16.860 --> 02:33:19.620 about Mills Road to our transportation folks 02:33:19.620 --> 02:33:21.580 so that they can start reviewing the area 02:33:21.580 --> 02:33:22.860 and see if there are any improvements 02:33:22.860 --> 02:33:26.180 that can be made to increase the safety in Mills Road. 02:33:26.180 --> 02:33:28.580 And we've also forwarded it to our police department 02:33:28.580 --> 02:33:31.700 just so that they are aware of concerns on Mills Road. 02:33:33.660 --> 02:33:35.580 So based upon the criteria for approval, 02:33:35.580 --> 02:33:38.620 staff does recommend approval of the request. 02:33:38.620 --> 02:33:41.220 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 02:33:41.220 --> 02:33:43.420 The applicant or a representative of the applicant 02:33:43.420 --> 02:33:45.220 is also here to answer any questions 02:33:45.220 --> 02:33:48.540 that you may have regarding the proposal of the request. 02:33:48.540 --> 02:33:49.940 The anticipated council date, 02:33:49.940 --> 02:33:52.420 if it moves forward tonight, would be December 3rd. 02:33:52.420 --> 02:33:56.220 - Thank you, Julie. 02:33:56.220 --> 02:33:57.500 Any questions for Julie? 02:33:57.500 --> 02:34:03.100 This is a public hearing. 02:34:03.100 --> 02:34:06.220 The only card I have in front of me is Mr. Lee, 02:34:06.220 --> 02:34:09.420 who is not here in attendance. 02:34:09.420 --> 02:34:13.900 So is there anyone here wishing to speak on this item? 02:34:13.900 --> 02:34:15.860 Yeah, come on down. 02:34:15.860 --> 02:34:21.460 If you will give us your name, your time will begin. 02:34:21.460 --> 02:34:22.300 Hi. 02:34:22.300 --> 02:34:24.100 - Sure, hi, my name is Amanda Collins. 02:34:24.100 --> 02:34:27.760 I live on Kenningham, excuse me, which is just off of Mills. 02:34:27.760 --> 02:34:31.540 I'm a newbie here, so I didn't fill out my card. 02:34:31.540 --> 02:34:34.140 I'm sorry, I'll do that next time I'm here. 02:34:34.140 --> 02:34:37.060 But I just wanted to say that I am in favor of it. 02:34:37.060 --> 02:34:40.380 I don't have any large concerns. 02:34:40.380 --> 02:34:43.460 I feel like my house was on one of the maps 02:34:43.460 --> 02:34:44.300 that was shown up there, 02:34:44.300 --> 02:34:45.860 'cause that's how close we are to Mills Road 02:34:45.860 --> 02:34:49.100 and to this new, I don't wanna say development, 02:34:49.100 --> 02:34:51.300 but project that's gonna happen. 02:34:51.300 --> 02:34:55.100 I think, again, we are concerned about the road. 02:34:55.100 --> 02:34:56.940 I've lived here in that particular house 02:34:56.940 --> 02:34:59.380 for about 11 years and 10 years. 02:34:59.380 --> 02:35:02.300 And the amount of times that we have gone head on 02:35:02.300 --> 02:35:03.660 with other cars because of people 02:35:03.660 --> 02:35:06.060 walking up and down the roads, 02:35:06.060 --> 02:35:08.340 the amount of times that we have gone head on 02:35:08.340 --> 02:35:10.860 just because of how narrow the roads are, 02:35:10.860 --> 02:35:13.920 there's no room for air, there's no sidewalks, 02:35:13.920 --> 02:35:15.260 people have to walk in the road 02:35:15.260 --> 02:35:19.740 or they're walking in these unmaintained deep ditches. 02:35:19.740 --> 02:35:21.820 And so that's really, I think, 02:35:21.820 --> 02:35:23.900 the biggest concern for a lot of people. 02:35:23.900 --> 02:35:28.060 But like I said, I think that what could be going there, 02:35:28.060 --> 02:35:30.260 when we saw that both of those two residential properties 02:35:30.260 --> 02:35:32.700 had been sold is always very scary 02:35:32.700 --> 02:35:33.740 'cause you don't know what's going in. 02:35:33.740 --> 02:35:35.580 So my vote is yes, I would love to see it 02:35:35.580 --> 02:35:36.460 go to the school district. 02:35:36.460 --> 02:35:38.220 I would love to see it, 02:35:38.220 --> 02:35:39.580 or it has gone to the school district, 02:35:39.580 --> 02:35:41.500 but I would love to see the school district utilize it, 02:35:41.500 --> 02:35:43.700 especially that I have two small kids at home 02:35:43.700 --> 02:35:45.360 and they're gonna grow up and go to Denton Ryan. 02:35:45.360 --> 02:35:47.660 And so, like I said, I just wanted to say 02:35:47.660 --> 02:35:48.740 that I'm in favor of it, 02:35:48.740 --> 02:35:51.040 just concerned about the road issue as well, 02:35:51.040 --> 02:35:53.140 but that's my two cents about it. 02:35:53.140 --> 02:35:54.540 So thank you for listening. - Appreciate the same. 02:35:54.540 --> 02:35:55.620 Thank you very much. 02:35:58.820 --> 02:36:01.820 - Okay, is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item? 02:36:01.820 --> 02:36:04.420 Okay, seeing none, I'll go ahead 02:36:04.420 --> 02:36:06.340 and close the public hearing. 02:36:06.340 --> 02:36:09.100 And I will open the floor for a motion or discussion. 02:36:09.100 --> 02:36:10.820 Commissioner Perdom. 02:36:10.820 --> 02:36:12.540 - Yes, Julie, if I could just ask a question. 02:36:12.540 --> 02:36:15.320 Do you know if there's any existing speed reduction devices 02:36:15.320 --> 02:36:16.820 on the road right now, 02:36:16.820 --> 02:36:18.660 just because we did have the comment 02:36:18.660 --> 02:36:20.660 from the member of the public related to speed? 02:36:20.660 --> 02:36:22.820 - As far as like a school zone? 02:36:22.820 --> 02:36:25.220 - Or anything to reduce speed? 02:36:25.220 --> 02:36:26.820 - Not that I'm aware of right now. 02:36:26.820 --> 02:36:28.980 And I drove it this morning to take the picture, 02:36:28.980 --> 02:36:31.220 and I did not see any school zones, 02:36:31.220 --> 02:36:34.140 but once again, our transportation folks, 02:36:34.140 --> 02:36:35.780 it's on their radar. 02:36:35.780 --> 02:36:37.260 I'll make sure to follow up with them 02:36:37.260 --> 02:36:40.940 to see if there's anything that can be done. 02:36:40.940 --> 02:36:41.780 - Okay, thank you. 02:36:41.780 --> 02:36:42.740 - Sure. 02:36:42.740 --> 02:36:44.460 Commissioner Perdom. 02:36:44.460 --> 02:36:45.460 - Thank you, Chair. 02:36:45.460 --> 02:36:48.820 I actually have a question for the applicant representative. 02:36:48.820 --> 02:36:50.220 Did you say someone was here? 02:36:50.220 --> 02:36:54.740 As you're coming up, 02:36:54.740 --> 02:36:57.300 well, I'll wait for you to introduce yourself, sorry. 02:36:57.300 --> 02:36:59.860 - Yes, my name is Anthony Milvitz 02:36:59.860 --> 02:37:04.020 with TNP 3200 South Interstate 35E. 02:37:04.020 --> 02:37:04.860 - Okay. 02:37:04.860 --> 02:37:08.020 Do you have any information on 02:37:08.020 --> 02:37:16.340 why the choice of the moving the location? 02:37:16.340 --> 02:37:19.260 I think the information we got from staff 02:37:19.260 --> 02:37:23.620 was we wanna move the bus service facility, 02:37:23.620 --> 02:37:26.500 and then perhaps have some more field area 02:37:26.500 --> 02:37:28.980 where the existing facility is. 02:37:28.980 --> 02:37:33.980 Understand that not opposed to the process 02:37:33.980 --> 02:37:36.780 of moving the pieces around the board, 02:37:36.780 --> 02:37:37.780 I'm just trying to understand 02:37:37.780 --> 02:37:39.780 that seems like a very expensive option. 02:37:39.780 --> 02:37:42.580 - Yeah, I understand. 02:37:42.580 --> 02:37:47.620 They're just out of space, frankly, 02:37:47.620 --> 02:37:49.460 at the current transportation facility. 02:37:49.460 --> 02:37:51.860 It's just about five acres, 02:37:51.860 --> 02:37:54.660 and the new facility is almost 10 acres. 02:37:54.660 --> 02:37:56.620 It's a space thing. 02:37:56.620 --> 02:37:58.500 You'll notice a lot of the buses 02:37:58.500 --> 02:38:00.660 are parked outside of the facility, 02:38:00.660 --> 02:38:03.220 just either they're needing maintenance 02:38:03.220 --> 02:38:04.940 or they're just not in use. 02:38:04.940 --> 02:38:08.420 And that would provide the ability 02:38:08.420 --> 02:38:10.980 to have all those behind a secure fence 02:38:10.980 --> 02:38:13.020 and enough space for operations. 02:38:13.020 --> 02:38:14.980 - Thank you, that makes sense. 02:38:14.980 --> 02:38:19.980 It's just from eyeballing the existing concreted area, 02:38:19.980 --> 02:38:21.740 it looked like it was about the same size, 02:38:21.740 --> 02:38:23.460 but I guess some of that area is devoted 02:38:23.460 --> 02:38:25.260 to a different use or something right now. 02:38:25.260 --> 02:38:26.660 Yeah, okay, thank you. 02:38:26.660 --> 02:38:27.500 - No problem. 02:38:27.500 --> 02:38:28.740 - Thank you for being here. 02:38:28.740 --> 02:38:29.580 And Commissioner Prud, 02:38:29.580 --> 02:38:31.980 thank you for answering that, asking that question. 02:38:31.980 --> 02:38:34.340 Yeah, I've had the same question 02:38:34.340 --> 02:38:37.140 'cause it looks like it was way more complicated to do that, 02:38:37.140 --> 02:38:39.220 but knowing that you're doubling in size 02:38:39.220 --> 02:38:42.220 now makes complete sense. 02:38:42.220 --> 02:38:44.500 Commissioner Villarreal. 02:38:44.500 --> 02:38:47.540 - Move approval. 02:38:47.540 --> 02:38:48.380 - Commissioner Pedro. 02:38:48.380 --> 02:38:49.380 - I second. 02:38:49.380 --> 02:38:51.980 - Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval. 02:38:51.980 --> 02:38:53.340 Any other discussion? 02:38:53.340 --> 02:38:56.140 Okay, let's go ahead and vote please. 02:38:56.140 --> 02:39:05.780 That motion will carry for zero. 02:39:05.780 --> 02:39:10.780 Taking us to 5D, AESA 240003. 02:39:10.780 --> 02:39:13.180 I will open that public hearing 02:39:13.180 --> 02:39:17.380 and staff is requesting that we continue this item 02:39:17.380 --> 02:39:20.260 to the December 11th meeting. 02:39:20.260 --> 02:39:22.540 Commissioner Villarreal. 02:39:22.540 --> 02:39:25.580 - Move for continuance to the December 11th, 2024, 02:39:25.580 --> 02:39:26.780 planning and zoning meeting. 02:39:26.780 --> 02:39:27.820 - Okay, Commissioner Pedro. 02:39:27.820 --> 02:39:28.660 - I second. 02:39:28.660 --> 02:39:30.260 - Okay, we've got a first and a second 02:39:30.260 --> 02:39:33.100 to continue this item to the December 11th, 02:39:33.100 --> 02:39:34.660 planning and zoning meeting. 02:39:34.660 --> 02:39:37.100 We will leave the public hearing open. 02:39:37.100 --> 02:39:38.220 Any discussion? 02:39:38.220 --> 02:39:40.500 Okay, let's vote please. 02:39:46.980 --> 02:39:48.860 That motion carries for zero. 02:39:48.860 --> 02:39:50.500 That will take us to our planning 02:39:50.500 --> 02:39:53.380 and zoning commission project matrix. 02:39:53.380 --> 02:39:55.740 And I will give the floor to Tina. 02:39:55.740 --> 02:40:00.780 - Sorry, my space is not big enough. 02:40:00.780 --> 02:40:05.180 So with respect to matrix report, 02:40:05.180 --> 02:40:09.340 so this evening we did address two items on the matrix 02:40:09.340 --> 02:40:10.700 regarding receiving the update 02:40:10.700 --> 02:40:13.540 from the parks and recreation team about their master plan 02:40:13.540 --> 02:40:15.340 and then also regarding the tree fund. 02:40:15.340 --> 02:40:19.380 So we will go ahead and remove those items off the matrix, 02:40:19.380 --> 02:40:20.860 if that works for you all. 02:40:20.860 --> 02:40:23.860 There were no changes otherwise made to the matrix 02:40:23.860 --> 02:40:27.580 from your meeting last week or at the previous time. 02:40:27.580 --> 02:40:32.260 Also, we have no city council actions to report 02:40:32.260 --> 02:40:33.660 since we had our last planning 02:40:33.660 --> 02:40:37.780 and zoning commission meeting in speaking to city council 02:40:37.780 --> 02:40:41.700 for city council's benefit as well as for staff's 02:40:41.700 --> 02:40:45.180 so that we can make sure that we represent commissioners 02:40:45.180 --> 02:40:46.820 correctly. 02:40:46.820 --> 02:40:49.260 If you're gonna be voting in opposition to a motion, 02:40:49.260 --> 02:40:51.020 I do ask that you provide comments 02:40:51.020 --> 02:40:53.300 as to why you're gonna be voting in opposition. 02:40:53.300 --> 02:40:56.820 Reason being is 'cause council does ask that of us 02:40:56.820 --> 02:40:59.660 and so we wanna be able to answer them 02:40:59.660 --> 02:41:02.580 and represent any commissioner voting in opposition 02:41:02.580 --> 02:41:03.660 to a motion correctly. 02:41:03.660 --> 02:41:06.260 So if you could kindly help us with that, 02:41:06.260 --> 02:41:07.900 we would so greatly appreciate it. 02:41:07.900 --> 02:41:08.740 So thank you. 02:41:08.740 --> 02:41:10.860 - Thank you, Tina. 02:41:10.860 --> 02:41:12.900 Anything to add to the matrix? 02:41:14.100 --> 02:41:18.100 - Yeah, and I'll just completely piggyback on that 02:41:18.100 --> 02:41:20.620 'cause that's been a thing for me too. 02:41:20.620 --> 02:41:21.540 That is so important. 02:41:21.540 --> 02:41:22.500 It's important for the applicant. 02:41:22.500 --> 02:41:23.340 It's important for staff 02:41:23.340 --> 02:41:26.180 and it's certainly important to city council 02:41:26.180 --> 02:41:31.180 as they have the last word on these projects. 02:41:31.180 --> 02:41:33.300 Commissioner Prudt. 02:41:33.300 --> 02:41:34.140 - Thank you. 02:41:34.140 --> 02:41:38.780 I don't actually want this added to the matrix, 02:41:38.780 --> 02:41:40.100 but I wanna put a pin in it 02:41:40.100 --> 02:41:43.380 because I don't know when the right time will be. 02:41:44.220 --> 02:41:45.980 I did go back and look 02:41:45.980 --> 02:41:48.380 at that stormwater master plan very briefly. 02:41:48.380 --> 02:41:53.380 It looks like a different phase of work 02:41:53.380 --> 02:41:58.380 than our typical planning master plans 02:41:58.380 --> 02:42:02.580 in that it's really sort of a set of procedures and goals 02:42:02.580 --> 02:42:06.780 of how the analysis should be taken place 02:42:06.780 --> 02:42:09.220 to look at our stormwater infrastructure. 02:42:09.220 --> 02:42:10.840 So I imagine there's a lot of effort 02:42:10.840 --> 02:42:13.380 that has already started or will soon start 02:42:13.380 --> 02:42:15.500 to start looking at smaller areas 02:42:15.500 --> 02:42:18.920 before we would have any actionable information about them. 02:42:18.920 --> 02:42:23.780 But I may not be here 02:42:23.780 --> 02:42:28.380 or we may not know as a body when that occurs. 02:42:28.380 --> 02:42:33.380 So if there's a way of making sure as those smaller studies 02:42:33.380 --> 02:42:36.320 to show where the needs are 02:42:36.320 --> 02:42:39.300 at a more granular level within the city, 02:42:39.300 --> 02:42:41.460 start to become available and actionable 02:42:41.460 --> 02:42:43.220 from a land use perspective, 02:42:43.220 --> 02:42:44.820 I think that would be important. 02:42:44.820 --> 02:42:48.420 But it may be four years from now. 02:42:48.420 --> 02:42:49.460 Does that make sense? 02:42:49.460 --> 02:42:54.500 - I believe so. 02:42:54.500 --> 02:42:58.820 So let me paraphrase and see if I understood you correctly. 02:42:58.820 --> 02:43:03.540 So as those smaller drainage studies are being completed, 02:43:03.540 --> 02:43:06.620 you're wanting us to address it how 02:43:06.620 --> 02:43:08.340 with respect to land use? 02:43:08.340 --> 02:43:13.340 - Sure, just to understand what the needs are, 02:43:13.340 --> 02:43:15.380 especially as it pertains 02:43:15.380 --> 02:43:17.580 to already developed areas in the city. 02:43:17.580 --> 02:43:20.140 We've talked about infill before. 02:43:20.140 --> 02:43:22.220 Many times that's made more complex 02:43:22.220 --> 02:43:23.920 because of the drainage issues. 02:43:23.920 --> 02:43:29.580 And so I think understanding what the long-term plans 02:43:29.580 --> 02:43:32.780 are for areas will help us feel more confident 02:43:32.780 --> 02:43:36.740 about development applications that come in 02:43:36.740 --> 02:43:39.020 where we see drainage issues existing 02:43:39.020 --> 02:43:43.300 as opposed to creating drainage issues with new development. 02:43:43.300 --> 02:43:44.740 Does that make sense? 02:43:44.740 --> 02:43:46.120 - Yes, thank you for explaining. 02:43:46.120 --> 02:43:47.140 - Thanks. 02:43:47.140 --> 02:43:49.260 - Thank you, Commissioner Brode. 02:43:49.260 --> 02:43:52.540 Yeah, and just on the note of the drainage issue, 02:43:52.540 --> 02:43:55.800 if there is anyone, and I don't know if that's possible, 02:43:55.800 --> 02:43:57.100 but if there is anyone from the city 02:43:57.100 --> 02:44:00.340 that can reach out to the Scots and Mr. Williams, 02:44:00.340 --> 02:44:01.760 we've got their information. 02:44:01.760 --> 02:44:05.180 Clearly they've talked to the city before, 02:44:05.180 --> 02:44:06.700 at least the Scots have, 02:44:06.700 --> 02:44:09.620 and clearly have had communication with them, 02:44:09.620 --> 02:44:14.620 but something didn't happen with follow through 02:44:14.620 --> 02:44:17.300 or what have you, but can we just be proactive 02:44:17.300 --> 02:44:19.500 in at least reaching out to them? 02:44:19.500 --> 02:44:22.980 And again, I don't think it was the applicant's issue 02:44:22.980 --> 02:44:27.580 to have to hold on to, but I think it is the city's. 02:44:27.580 --> 02:44:30.280 And again, we all have drainage issues in this city. 02:44:35.100 --> 02:44:38.460 Personally, have had to put in a major French drain. 02:44:38.460 --> 02:44:41.260 So it certainly exists. 02:44:41.260 --> 02:44:44.180 There seems excessive, and then again, 02:44:44.180 --> 02:44:46.700 with their discussion with the city, 02:44:46.700 --> 02:44:48.820 I just want them to have a better, 02:44:48.820 --> 02:44:51.220 just a better, some closure. 02:44:51.220 --> 02:44:54.020 I mean, if it's on the list that things are being taken care 02:44:54.020 --> 02:44:55.060 of and it's being looked at, 02:44:55.060 --> 02:44:57.860 just that someone could communicate with them, please, 02:44:57.860 --> 02:44:59.180 I think would be really important. 02:44:59.180 --> 02:45:00.020 - Yes, ma'am, we can do that. 02:45:00.020 --> 02:45:01.980 - Thank you, appreciate that. 02:45:01.980 --> 02:45:05.940 Okay, anything else for the matrix or continuing items? 02:45:05.940 --> 02:45:09.500 Okay, let's go ahead then and adjourn at 8.34 p.m. 02:45:09.500 --> 02:45:10.340 Thank you.