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 - Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's

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 planning and zoning commission meeting

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 for Wednesday, November 13th, 2024.

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 Thank you for your patience while we waited for our quorum,

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 which we have now and I will call us to order at 5.19 p.m.

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 First item on our work session agenda

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 is citizen comment on consent agenda.

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 Do we have anyone here for that?

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 Okay, we'll move to clarification of tonight's agenda.

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 The first being the minutes for the 25th and 23rd,

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 25th of September, 23rd October.

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 Any questions, concerns?

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 Okay, consent agenda.

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 Any questions on the consent agenda?

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 Okay, items for individual consideration.

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 I'm gonna kind of move quickly through these, I think.

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 4A is an extension to December 11th.

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 Is there any question there?

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 Do you need a presentation in work session?

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 Next item is 4B, ZCP 2004-0034.

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 Mia, I think, yeah, I'll go ahead and let you give us

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 a summary of that one since that is not.

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 - No worries.

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 - Appreciate you.

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 I mean, I guess it is for Razor Ranch, but.

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 - It's my new normal, yeah.

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 Okay, Mia Hines, good evening chair,

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 members of the commission, Mia Hines, senior planner.

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 This item is a zoning compliance plan

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 for the Perdera at Razor Ranch.

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 It's a proposed multifamily development

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 on an eight acre property situated south of Panhandle,

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 just 200 feet west of North Bonnie Bray Road.

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 And staff is recommending approval of this item

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 as it meets all of the criteria for approval for Razor.

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 Just a little reminder,

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 the Razor Ranch overlay district requires

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 that site plans be reviewed and final approval

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 be granted by the planning and zoning commission.

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 That is why this item is coming to you this evening.

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 And I do have a more detailed presentation

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 to go over in the regular session.

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 - And I know we had some updated documents sent,

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 so I don't know if everyone had a chance to review those.

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 - Yeah, and just to cover, really the only change

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 is that there are some additional plantings

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 in the, within this landscape,

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 I'm sorry, this parking row here.

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 And then there's the transformer location DME referred to

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 of these utilities as opposed to the one

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 that was originally situated here.

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 So very minor changes, not to the overall site.

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 - Good, any questions from you?

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 Our 4C item is like 4A, it is an extension request

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 to a date certain of December 11th.

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 Does anyone require to look at that in work session?

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 We'll get through those and get through questions.

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 5A is PD240003.

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 Hi, Angie.

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 - Thank you, good evening, Chair, members of the commission.

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 Angie Manglaris, Development Review Manager.

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 Give you a summary of PD240003,

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 the reserves at Brush Creek.

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 This is a proposed rezoning request from RR and R1

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 to a planned development district

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 with a base zoning of R4.

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 It is on approximately 15.44 acres of land

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 situated northeast of US377 and Brush Creek Road.

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 The purpose is to facilitate the development

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 of a 42 lot single family residential neighborhood.

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 It is consistent with the comprehensive plan,

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 specifically the future land use plan,

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 housing and population projections,

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 and the preferred land preservation plan.

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 Staff is recommending approval

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 as it does comply with our criteria for approval.

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 I have a more detailed presentation

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 that I can give during regular meeting,

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 but I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have now.

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 - Great, questions for Angie?

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 Angie, are we making the 42 homes part of this PD?

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 that development concept plan into this?

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 the exhibits and the ordinance

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 include the development standards,

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 which are the written language, the development plan,

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 which is the 42 lots and their general layout,

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 as well as the landscape plan,

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 which includes those buffers and areas of open space.

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 So all of that is included as part of this PD,

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 do they, necessarily?

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 5B PDA 240002.

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 - Yes, this is a overlay plan development amendment request.

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 So the purpose here is to amend an existing plan development

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 with a base zoning of MN on approximately 3.18 acres

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 of land located just east of I-35 North,

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 and approximately 1,000 feet south of West Windsor Drive,

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 to facilitate the development

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 of an indoor recreation facility.

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 This one does have a little bit more history to it.

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 that was considered in 2020.

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 and that has translated to an overlay PD situation.

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 but did not adopt a concept plan.

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 an adjacent building, as called out

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 and is not conducive for single building development.

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 a site plan was shown with approximately seven pad sites,

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 and the specification was that buildings adjacent

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 to single family residential be restricted

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 to professional and medical offices.

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 unclear language in the original PD,

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 as well as address concerns that the neighborhood

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 had related to this specific use.

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 It does retain original provisions

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 within the initial overlay PD,

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 including restricted land uses.

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 from Colonial Drive for emergency purposes only.

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 It does comply with our criteria for approval.

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 - I do not, but the applicant should be here

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 this evening who could maybe speak

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 - Thank you. - Thank you very much.

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 - Good evening, Julie Wyatt.

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 Let me pull in my presentation.

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 Good evening, this is Z2411,

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 the DISD transportation facility.

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 Just a quick summary of the proposal.

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 Denton ISD is requesting to rezone about 10 acres

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 that they own from R6 to PF District.

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 That's consistent with our standard practices

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 for government-owned properties.

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 This is to zone at that PF District.

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 They are looking to relocate their transportation facility

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 from its existing site just northwest

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 The proposal is consistent with the comprehensive plan

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 and our future land use goals.

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 and a representative will be attending tonight's meeting

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 It has a secure location for the buses.

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 large athletic indoor facilities.

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 - Thank you, Julie.

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 One of the comments that we got from a community member

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 - Our last public hearing on our agenda,

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 staff is requesting that we continue to December 11th.

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 They are gonna re-notice that we are gonna open

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 the public hearing and leave it open,

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 and then ask to continue it to December 11th.

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 Okay, all right, then let's get to our work session reports.

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 The first one being 3A, PZ24197.

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 Receive a report, hold a discussion

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 regarding the Tree Mitigation Fund.

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 And I'm not sure who is hosting that.

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 There we go, hello.

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 - Good evening, Chair and commission members.

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 My name is Ziad Carrot,

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 Assistant Director of Parks and Recreation.

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 And I'll pull up my...

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 Here we go.

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 In a previous Planning and Zoning meeting,

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 it was asked to come back with some answers

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 to some questions asked by the commission members

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 regarding the Tree Mitigation Fund.

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 The Tree Mitigation, as you know,

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 for a number of programs, tree planting, tree programs.

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 We'll be here to address any other questions

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 I have some additional staff members here

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 that can answer any specific questions

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 that you have about programs

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 or specific tree planting efforts

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 related to urban forestry.

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 So one question that was asked was,

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 how often is the Tree Mitigation Fund paid into

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 and payment is received into the fund

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 when plotting fees are assessed?

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 And so there's a standard process for that

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 when fees are assessed throughout that process.

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 it goes straight into the Tree Mitigation Fund.

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 And if you wanna ask me questions anytime,

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 please, I'll stop whenever, or we can wait till the end.

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 So the next question was,

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 what can the funding be used for?

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 It's very explicit in the code of ordinances,

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 what those funds can be used for.

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 Section 77.4 to be specific.

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 And I have another slide here that's an excerpt

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 from that code so that we can go through that in detail.

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 What recent projects have been completed with this funding?

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 So here's a list of projects that we've completed

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 in the last several years with Tree Mitigation Funding.

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 So most recently, we've utilized ground-based LIDAR

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 within parks, city facilities, and rights of way,

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 using, utilizing a contract that we have

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 with a company called Greehill.

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 So they've actually gone around

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 with a Google Street View looking car

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 with technology strapped to the top

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 that goes and inventories trees for their condition,

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 their type, their size within these areas

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 so that they can help us gather data

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 for informing our work process

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 in terms of maintaining those trees.

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 And so we're also working with them

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 on establishing an overall city-wide,

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 city-wide look at our tree canopy.

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 And so we're able to use that technology

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 in a number of different ways.

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 So the Tree Mitigation Fund is used

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 for those purposes as well.

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 For specific tree planting that has been completed

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 with this funding recently is annual Arbor Day Planting,

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 which is the first Saturday of November.

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 Our annual tree rate rebate program,

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 we planted on Shady Oaks Drive,

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 or we're preparing for our planting on Shady Oaks Drive,

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 and that's upcoming in this fall/winter.

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 There's a lot of steps that are involved with that

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 'cause every tree that we plant,

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 we wanna make sure that it has

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 adequate irrigation facilities that are connected to it.

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 So if it's trees that are planted in the medians,

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 we have to make sure that those medians are set up

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 for irrigation prior to any tree planting.

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 Hickory Creek was a recent project of medium plantings.

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 Joe Skiles Park, we had a major renovation

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 to the park recently and we utilized Tree Mitigation Fund

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 for planting trees along the trail within that park.

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 The same with Sequoia Park in the fall of 2023,

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 same at South Lakes Park and North Lakes Dog Park.

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 Last question that was asked was,

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 can tree funds be used to plant trees

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 in residential neighborhoods that would be impacted

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 by the development project paying into the fund?

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 The short answer is the funds that are paid

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 into the Tree Mitigation Fund are used citywide

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 for citywide priorities.

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 And not necessarily specific to a particular development.

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 And so the tree funds are prioritized to be used

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 within public parks, roadway medians and open space

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 that help to advance the goals and objectives

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 identified in the Urban Forest Master Plan.

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 And so we're typically utilizing those

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 to accomplish goals set forward

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 in the Urban Forest Master Plan,

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 which may or may not be specific

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 to that particular development.

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 So tree funds can also be used

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 for the neighborhood tree giveaways,

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 the tree rebate program that are programs associated

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 with Keep Denton Beautiful.

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 The tree giveaway is the tree your block program.

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 And the tree rebate program is another program

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 that utilizes a rebate program

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 for trees planted within private property.

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 So both the tree your block and the tree rebate program

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 are ways that we can work with private property owners

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 to get trees planted on private property.

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 So we use Tree Mitigation Funds

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 for public property planting.

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 And we have programs in place to help private residents

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 planting on private property as well.

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 So here's the excerpt from the Code of Ordinances.

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 You don't need me to read it for you.

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 I mean, there's specific reference in 774

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 in the Code of Ordinances for this,

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 but it's very clear what the tree funds can be used for

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 and it enumerates all the different ways

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 that it can be used, essentially,

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 that the Tree Mitigation Funds are in place

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 to help us advance our tree canopy efforts

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 and our environmental goals throughout the city.

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 And so it's very clear what kind of goals

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 we're trying to accomplish in the city

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 and that we are advancing that

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 with this Urban Forest Master Plan.

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 We included a bar graph on this slide

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 just so that we can have some visual

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 in terms of how the funding has been coming in.

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 The blue bar graph represents deposits

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 and the yellow bar graph are the expenditures

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 over the last 10 years.

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 And so you can see that there have been some fluctuation,

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 especially around COVID time in terms of

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 what has been coming in, what has been going out

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 in terms of being for the expenditures.

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 You'll notice the big yellow bar in 2019, 2020

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 was used for land acquisition.

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 And so that depleted majority of the funds in that year

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 to purchase East Lake Parks property in East Denton.

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 And so following 2019, 2020,

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 you'll see that we were building up the deposits

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 to start implementing more tree growth

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 or tree planting in the subsequent years after that.

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 And I just wanna include some projects

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 from our Arbor Day 2023.

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 This is in South Lakes Park.

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 And this is the tree your block program from 2021.

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 And so we're very excited to announce

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 that we have an urban forestry website created.

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 That is a recent development and accomplishes our goals

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 in the, one of our many goals

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 in the urban forest master plan.

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 So this is a link to that urban forestry website.

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 It has a lot of helpful resources,

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 has links to other webpages very soon

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 once we get the tree inventory processed

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 and visualized in a way that we're able to present it

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 to the public, we'll be posting that

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 on this website as well.

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 We have, as I mentioned, worked with a company

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 called Greenhill over the last couple of years

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 to inventory all these trees.

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 And so they're in the process of processing

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 the last bits of data so that they can help us

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 visualize through a sister company

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 with Davie Tree Resources to get that mapping set up for us.

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 And so once that is done,

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 it'll be live on the urban forestry website.

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 And we also included a couple of other links

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 for the tree rebates program

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 and also the Keep Deton Beautiful website

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 for additional resources.

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 - And with that, I'll take any questions that you may have.

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 - Questions?

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 Yep, Commissioner Perot.

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 - Thank you, Chair.

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 So full disclosure, I'm the one who asked

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 about the nearby neighborhood question number four

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 that I'm sure was confusing and a head scratcher.

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 My intention was really about,

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 I understand our development code

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 has street tree requirements and that sort of thing,

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 but the majority of our lots in the city

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 were developed before 2019 and before 2002.

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 And therefore, there's a lot of areas

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 that do not have street trees.

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 And so I guess my reading of it is you said medians,

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 but my reading is that if there is a,

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 if there is city of right-of-way

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 outside of the roadway cross-section,

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 then street trees could be planted there.

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 But maybe some of these neighborhoods

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 don't necessarily have enough right-of-way

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 on the edge for a tree planting.

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 And so in order to plant street trees in a neighborhood

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 that does not have them with tree mitigation funds,

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 you would have to actually obtain an easement

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 or purchase land, which my reading of that 774

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 is that no provisions in there would apply

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 toward that capability.

453
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 Is that accurate?

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 - Yeah, we're not actively seeking to purchase land

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 to plant trees on them or take their easements

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 or things like that.

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 And when I mentioned medians,

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 those are typically the spaces in between the lanes

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 versus the parkways on the outsides of the right-of-way.

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 - Right. - Yep.

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 And so a lot of that is because we control,

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 the city controls the area in the right-of-way.

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 And so, but the street trees would be planted

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 perhaps in the right-of-way,

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 but the maintenance obligations fall

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 to the adjacent property owners for that tree maintenance.

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 And so with us, the city, trying to accomplish our goals,

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 we can plant trees in the middle medians

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 to help with heat island mitigation

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 because the shading can get on concrete in different angles

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 and we have more control

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 over maintaining those trees in the long-term.

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 - Okay, I mean, there's probably grading reasons

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 why trees in the parkway don't require

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 as much active irrigation and that sort of thing, right?

476
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 - What do you mean by grading reasons?

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 - Well, typically a roadway is crowned,

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 so water's flowing away from the trees now,

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 whereas at the edge,

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 water's flowing toward those areas now,

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 both from the development property

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 as well as from the street.

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 - I see what you mean.

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 - You know, it just seems to me like

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 we ask a lot of residents that are impacted by development

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 to take one for the team, so to speak,

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 and endure larger change near them

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 for the good of the whole city.

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 And we have a lot of streets in neighborhoods

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 and in small business areas that don't have street trees.

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 And it's a clear need,

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 it's a clear benefit to our society,

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 it aids with stormwater retention,

494
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 it could go on and on, right?

495
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 And so I'm not saying we have to do that

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 or move toward that,

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 but it seems to me like one sort of low effort,

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 low lift way to make sure that

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 if a development is going in in area A,

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 and because of the particularness

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 of where they have to clear and build the building,

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 et cetera, a high portion of canopy coverage

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 within that area A is going away

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 because of the development, then amending that nearby area

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 with street trees that we know is traffic calming, et cetera,

506
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 might be a way to make sure that we're improving

507
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 more than just that one plot of land, so thank you.

508
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 - Other questions?

509
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,920
 And there's nothing in the code that talks about

510
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 something like that can't be done, right?

511
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 It's just not something you're actively looking to do,

512
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 is that how I'm interpreting like?

513
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 - It's not that we are not looking for areas

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 adjacent to existing developments to replant,

515
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 it's that we're looking at the city holistically

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 in terms of trying to identify needs.

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 And so we look at different factors

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 like the heat island effect throughout the city.

519
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 We're looking at stormwater areas

520
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 that we can bolster tree planting in areas

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 that may have less or more need

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 than the areas adjacent to these developments in question.

523
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 And so I'm not saying that these areas cannot be planted.

524
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 What we aim to do in terms of those plantings

525
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 within the rights of way are in the medians, though,

526
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 not on the parkways.

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 And so I think that if there was a road

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 that kind of fit that criteria,

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 that was adjacent to a private development

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 that was removing a lot of tree canopy,

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 then that might be a good candidate for the city

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 to come in and plant within those medians.

533
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 But knowing that there are a lot of other priorities

534
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 throughout the city that need to be addressed as well.

535
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,960
 - How are those priorities set?

536
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,160
 - Great question.

537
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,680
 And so right now we're looking at

538
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,240
 the Urban Forest Master Plan as a way to revisit

539
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,840
 after a couple of years now that it's been adopted.

540
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,240
 We're looking at our data that is coming in

541
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,080
 to help us establish what our inventory is

542
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,080
 and integrate the data into a GIS kind of collaborative map

543
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,840
 that shows those overlays of heat islands,

544
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,440
 heat island effect throughout the city,

545
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,120
 city-owned controlled property areas

546
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,400
 that are lacking in tree canopy

547
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,360
 in areas that have a greater equity need.

548
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:45,040
 And so we're looking at those now actively

549
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,160
 to help us identify those.

550
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,720
 The last several projects that we've identified

551
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,920
 were mainly roadways that were put in

552
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,720
 that were lacking in tree trees for all intents and purposes,

553
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,480
 not necessarily connected with a particular development.

554
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,600
 But like Hickory Creek and some of those others

555
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,200
 that I mentioned, and those park projects,

556
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,680
 and those were projects that were very obvious

557
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,920
 to staff that needed additional trees.

558
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840
 And so now that we're getting the data and required

559
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,480
 to make those kind of city-wide looks, those are things

560
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,840
 that are already outlined in the Urban Forest Master Plan

561
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,400
 and we just need to put everything together

562
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,080
 to kind of put together our, we have a five-year plan

563
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,200
 but help refine that five-year plan

564
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,040
 to help us get some of those larger goals met.

565
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,320
 - Okay, that makes sense.

566
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,320
 Yeah, and there's no timeline

567
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,760
 on when funds have to be spent, right?

568
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,600
 Is there-- - Correct.

569
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,760
 - There's nothing in there that talks about

570
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,880
 how much you can have in there

571
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,420
 and how quick you have to use it, nothing like that.

572
00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:47,260
 Okay.

573
00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:49,360
 Thank you.

574
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,400
 Any other questions?

575
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,000
 Thank you for enlightening us on that.

576
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,760
 - Thank you. - Thank you very much.

577
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:02,920
 Okay, our next work session report is 3B-PZ24221.

578
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,560
 That's received report hold a discussion

579
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,480
 regarding the Department of Parks

580
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,980
 and Rec's master planning efforts.

581
00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:13,680
 Hello.

582
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,520
 Hello, how are you?

583
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,340
 - Good.

584
00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:24,960
 - So good evening.

585
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,940
 Ramir Martin with Parks Recreation Department.

586
00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:30,680
 Thank you for having us,

587
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,080
 being able to have an opportunity

588
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,280
 to be able to talk about our master plans

589
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,360
 and updates that we have done thus far.

590
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,120
 And again, there are two master plans

591
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,580
 that we're gonna give the update on

592
00:29:43,580 --> 00:29:47,600
 and the first one is the Parks and Recreation

593
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,280
 and Trail System Master Plan

594
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,040
 that was adopted in March 2022,

595
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,480
 as well as the Aquatics Master Plan

596
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,600
 that was recently adopted this past February in 2024.

597
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:06,760
 And one of the things in these documents,

598
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,460
 the key findings when you're looking at those first pages,

599
00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:13,240
 the most used facilities on there,

600
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,120
 you have our natatorium, the Waterworks Park,

601
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,240
 you have the dog park, Clear Creek Preservation Area,

602
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,040
 as well as our senior center,

603
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,240
 which allows us to be able to know

604
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240
 that those are areas that we want to be able to focus on

605
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,200
 with some of our bond packages

606
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,640
 that we will speak to in a minute.

607
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,280
 The top reasons for not using our facilities,

608
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,520
 this is one that we got to continue to be able to dig into

609
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,720
 because when you look at some of the ones

610
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,360
 that are listed on there,

611
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,740
 again, not knowing where we're at,

612
00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:44,200
 not knowing the location of some of the things,

613
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,720
 not meeting the needs of the community,

614
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,320
 those are things we want to dig into further,

615
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,980
 but being able to try to address those

616
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:50,720
 with some of the bond issues

617
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,560
 and as we continue to progress on that way.

618
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,620
 Top desired amenities,

619
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:57,420
 again, when you look at some of our trails,

620
00:30:57,420 --> 00:31:00,160
 they talk about open spaces, splash pads,

621
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,960
 nature centers and things that way,

622
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,480
 and then you talk about events, community events.

623
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,440
 That's one that hopefully if you were around the city

624
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,800
 in the month of October, you know that that was one

625
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,200
 that we definitely tried to make some progress on

626
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,600
 and being able to have some community events

627
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,640
 and really be able to engage the community with that month,

628
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,520
 but those are amenities that we're trying to be able to reach

629
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,880
 and things we're trying to achieve through the master plan.

630
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,080
 With the vision for the master plan and the goals,

631
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,120
 there were six goals that were identified there

632
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,600
 and I kind of point to the first two and the first one

633
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,400
 because all the two that kind of, you know,

634
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,160
 address the senior center as well as our pool amenities

635
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,600
 where it talks about being able to complete our park system

636
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,000
 and then being able to, you know,

637
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,340
 make sure our park system amenities are up to

638
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:53,840
 what the public is looking for and what they need that way.

639
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,180
 So there's kind of some images of the, you know,

640
00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:00,580
 some of the needs that kind of speak to the senior center

641
00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:04,220
 as well as looking at the, you know, the pool,

642
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:09,020
 the aquatics pool, the master plan or the waterworks pool,

643
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:10,900
 which are two bond issues that, you know,

644
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:12,060
 I speak to that way.

645
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:13,960
 So you got the senior center to the active adult center

646
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,700
 and the improvement to the water park.

647
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:18,840
 So the active adult center,

648
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,580
 that bond issue was approved last November,

649
00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:24,580
 which we are thankful for as you can see that that was a 47,

650
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:26,640
 you know, million dollar bond, you know,

651
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,340
 with 900 of that going to, you know, public arts

652
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:35,360
 and that's design funding will begin next fiscal year, 25, 26.

653
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,900
 And one of the things that we are now doing with that,

654
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:42,820
 because you talk about the progress and challenge,

655
00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:46,660
 we engaged and created a departmental steering committee,

656
00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:48,040
 you know, that has been established,

657
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,240
 being able to, you know, do an internal look

658
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,940
 at trying to be able to look at the different things

659
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:55,680
 of confirming that program for that facility,

660
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,380
 research and the feasibility of, you know,

661
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:59,140
 possible locations as well as identifying

662
00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:00,520
 future staffing needs.

663
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,680
 And one of the things that we just spoke with,

664
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,540
 with, you know, our finance, you know,

665
00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:07,720
 finance department is looking at trying to get some funds

666
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,420
 to be able to have a consultant come in and help,

667
00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:12,960
 being able to help secure the right location

668
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,760
 or being able to identify that location.

669
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,100
 Because right now we do have two properties

670
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,160
 that are there, three properties,

671
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,040
 when you look at the current location and in Quaker town,

672
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,900
 as well as you have Mac Park,

673
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,040
 as well as some property on Orion Road where the library is,

674
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,640
 which was kind of spoke about a little bit

675
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,200
 as opposite of different options,

676
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,140
 but wanted to be able to bring in the consultant

677
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:36,520
 to be able to further help validate some of those,

678
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,020
 those discussions and being able to engage the community

679
00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:40,820
 in those, those, those talks to make sure

680
00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:42,520
 we're putting the right product out there,

681
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,220
 putting the right location and being able to have

682
00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:45,900
 the right type of staffing needs

683
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,060
 to be able to support those facilities.

684
00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:50,800
 And so again, you just seen the pictures

685
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,500
 of just variety of facilities across the,

686
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,140
 across the state and across the country.

687
00:33:57,140 --> 00:33:59,740
 And I point out the two bottom pictures

688
00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:03,140
 because when I was in the County of Loudoun in Virginia,

689
00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:06,820
 we had five senior centers that we had built there

690
00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:09,020
 and the most recent one down there

691
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:11,460
 where the conversation came up, Pickleball.

692
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:14,380
 So you see that, again, we had a multi-purpose space

693
00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:16,560
 that actually has three Pickleball courts in it,

694
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,320
 but then they're multi-purpose spaces to be able to use,

695
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,660
 as well as the other facility down on the other side,

696
00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:25,160
 this kind of an active area,

697
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,260
 kind of a passive area type of deal in there

698
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:29,300
 with the like fireplace place in there.

699
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:30,700
 And one of the things I looked in there

700
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:32,600
 and they wouldn't let me in the senior center quite yet,

701
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,080
 but there's a nice little fireplace

702
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,340
 and I wanted to put a chair

703
00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:37,340
 because it overlooked a nice little pond and outside area,

704
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:39,680
 which I try to dedicate that for myself,

705
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,580
 but I'm no longer gonna be in Loudoun

706
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:42,920
 and I'm not gonna be in Loudoun,

707
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,420
 so I guess that's for somebody else to be able to enjoy.

708
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:50,660
 And then you have a Water Works Park phase one,

709
00:34:50,660 --> 00:34:53,420
 which that was another, you know,

710
00:34:53,420 --> 00:34:56,360
 bond approved last November.

711
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,200
 And so the whole park bond was that $33 million bond,

712
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,400
 but 15 million of it was dedicated,

713
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,200
 or designated for the phase one of Water Works Park,

714
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,040
 which actually we're in current design phase of that

715
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,240
 right now as we speak, just had a meeting this afternoon,

716
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,400
 really trying to finalize what that plan looks like,

717
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,640
 but that construction is scheduled to start in the summer

718
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,640
 and be completed by the following summer for participation.

719
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:27,220
 And then on that project, what was listed out in the bond

720
00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:29,920
 is it is going to be able to look at the projects

721
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,160
 where there's the unique feature is that youth play feature

722
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,100
 that's gonna be a nice signature piece

723
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,200
 to add more usability in there,

724
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,140
 and then being able to have more outdoor lap lane pool space

725
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:45,500
 that we can use to be able to program

726
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,240
 and have more swim lessons because within an auditorium,

727
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,740
 there is that competition with being able to supply

728
00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:55,640
 the DISDs swim programs and aquatics programs,

729
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,520
 and then there's not enough public space

730
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,720
 when it comes to lap things,

731
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,620
 and this will be one of those solutions

732
00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:02,780
 to be able to try to have those booking seasons

733
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:04,720
 when you have, try to have a heated pool

734
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,960
 where you can still do some stuff

735
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,160
 to be able to maximize those lanes throughout the year.

736
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,660
 So that's kind of the phase one, working through that.

737
00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:15,660
 One of the biggest challenges is the cost of construction

738
00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:17,800
 keeps going up, and trying to be able to fit that

739
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440
 into the budget, one of the challenges is making sure

740
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,400
 we're able to fulfill the bond request on there

741
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,740
 with some of those different things,

742
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:26,480
 but that's where we're at on that project.

743
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,680
 That project is getting closer to being able

744
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,080
 to be completed that way.

745
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,880
 So that was the pool, the two bond issues

746
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,520
 that we had that way.

747
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,620
 Any general questions on that or anything

748
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:43,620
 that's dealing with our master planning efforts

749
00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:45,960
 and trying to be able to be good stewards of,

750
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,660
 following the plans, I think that's the biggest thing

751
00:36:47,660 --> 00:36:48,760
 is activating those plans.

752
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,060
 We pay a lot of money to be able to have plans,

753
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:52,960
 and our job is just to be able to continue

754
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,780
 to activate those and live through what those actions are

755
00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:59,880
 and trying to be able to do those recommendations.

756
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,700
 - Questions?

757
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:08,980
 Obviously on aquatics, been an awful lot of talk

758
00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:13,420
 about the pool in the city off Quaker Town.

759
00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:15,720
 I know that's just a future, right?

760
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,360
 But can you give us any kind of idea

761
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,060
 of how you're gonna approach that?

762
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:22,160
 - Well, I mean, if you look at the master plan

763
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,340
 for the aquatics master plan, it spells it out.

764
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:26,340
 It's pretty much pretty simple.

765
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:28,780
 There's three recommendations that were made

766
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:32,340
 in that plan was we maintained business as usual

767
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:37,340
 with that, accommodating what's there in a number two,

768
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:42,180
 being able to continue to maintain those programs

769
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:45,220
 until there's other facilities built

770
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:48,220
 that may disperse some of the swim teams

771
00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:49,500
 or may disperse some of that,

772
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,460
 and then evaluate that project there then.

773
00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:55,700
 And the third one is really being able to make sure

774
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:59,000
 we have a capital improvement plan in place

775
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,540
 for an aging facility.

776
00:38:00,540 --> 00:38:03,400
 And we know that that building is aging out,

777
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,540
 and at some point, it's gonna have to have major repairs

778
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:08,320
 or a replacement on that.

779
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,280
 But when you're looking at, again,

780
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,860
 that's our plan is where we're staying the course

781
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:18,360
 until we have amenities that can be able to offset that

782
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,300
 before we can make those type of decisions.

783
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,320
 So right now, we're just business as usual.

784
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,960
 The pool is open until further notice,

785
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,300
 as we start to be able to look at other plans

786
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:30,700
 and trying to be able to deal with what we're maybe dealing

787
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,540
 with Southwest Park and there's other aquatic facilities

788
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:35,900
 coming on, then seeing what that does

789
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:39,480
 to the population in traffic.

790
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,240
 But as of right now, we're business as usual

791
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,420
 and staying the course.

792
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:46,720
 - Any questions?

793
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,260
 Commissioner Prudt?

794
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:49,980
 - Yeah, I appreciate the information.

795
00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:55,000
 And certainly, our parks department is great, right?

796
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,860
 I sung the praises of our planning department

797
00:38:59,860 --> 00:39:02,300
 for reaching out during the Southeast Denton Plan.

798
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:06,340
 And I remember the efforts that were done

799
00:39:06,340 --> 00:39:11,340
 during the major parks overall plan back in the 2019

800
00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:14,620
 timeframe, I believe it was.

801
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,960
 And it was, they took advantage of all the places

802
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,480
 they could go, so not doubting that at all.

803
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,860
 I do want to bring up a couple things

804
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:31,860
 that I see as maybe evidences of the silos

805
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:37,040
 in local governance that sometimes need

806
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:42,040
 to be peered at and combined between sort of land use

807
00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:48,180
 objectives and parks and public facilities.

808
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:55,420
 You know, when I read through our comp plan,

809
00:39:55,420 --> 00:40:00,420
 it continually talks about the synergies

810
00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:06,260
 of public services within the core of town

811
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:11,500
 and how that can grow things together.

812
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:15,580
 When I look at the history, I see back in the,

813
00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:18,780
 call it the '80s, I'm sure it's overgeneralization,

814
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:24,740
 the suburbanization of Denton really kind of

815
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:28,480
 started to grow and pop like a popcorn kernel.

816
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,220
 And then we had a lot of people not in the core

817
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:35,160
 of Denton anymore, right?

818
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,600
 And so, for whatever reason, our downtown

819
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,500
 has not had very many people there.

820
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:43,840
 And that's why in these plans that are referred to,

821
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,380
 they make notice that 50% of the people

822
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:50,340
 using the Civic Center Pool right now are from summer camps.

823
00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:52,240
 Well, it's true, it's mostly true,

824
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,020
 because people don't live downtown.

825
00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:57,240
 As I shared, when we adopted the downtown plan,

826
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:01,860
 the residential home density downtown is lower

827
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:06,860
 than that of most suburban neighborhoods that we have, right?

828
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:11,960
 So we got a lot of work to do.

829
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:18,000
 I see the potential for combined facilities,

830
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,240
 and I think our downtown plan harnesses that.

831
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,900
 It shows the importance of having some sort of parkland

832
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:28,740
 in southern downtown if there's gonna be

833
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:30,540
 a lot of development activity there.

834
00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:36,980
 I see the potential for a resurgence of students

835
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:40,960
 and elderly and everybody who might want to live

836
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,900
 in the core of our town to be able to utilize services

837
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,300
 like the Civic Center Pool.

838
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:49,660
 But it's not cheap, right?

839
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:56,060
 So I understand the rock and the hard place

840
00:41:56,060 --> 00:42:01,980
 that our Parks Department finds themselves in,

841
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:05,320
 looking at facilities and well, where could we site them

842
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,580
 so that they would get the most use?

843
00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:10,320
 When I'm looking at it here from a land use perspective,

844
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,720
 I'm thinking how can we make sure that we allow people

845
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,060
 to live where they want so that facilities we have

846
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:20,620
 can get the most use, right?

847
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:23,660
 Just as sort of a better bang for the buck perspective.

848
00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:28,200
 So, you know, there's also reference in the comp plan

849
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,200
 about these types of amenities affecting nearby land values

850
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:38,040
 and therefore drawing more development

851
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:38,880
 and that sort of thing.

852
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,020
 So I would just ask that as we go through

853
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:45,460
 the implementation phases of these plans,

854
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:50,460
 we look really hard at does siting civic amenities

855
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:58,660
 in the outskirts of our town align with

856
00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:01,260
 where we want the growth to occur?

857
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:02,540
 So, thank you.

858
00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:05,680
 - Thank you, other questions?

859
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:12,180
 What's the, how often is the master plan looked at?

860
00:43:12,180 --> 00:43:14,920
 Like, what is that timeline for you all?

861
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,680
 - Typically a master plan is, you know,

862
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,860
 five to 10 year, you know, type of deal.

863
00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:22,280
 I mean, with ours being just in 2022,

864
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,020
 we're in year two and year three of it.

865
00:43:24,020 --> 00:43:26,520
 So there's a lot that is still needs to be unpacked,

866
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,900
 a lot that we can still address,

867
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,900
 but each year we look at it from a strategic plan

868
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:32,660
 and try to be able to-- - Okay, that was gonna be

869
00:43:32,660 --> 00:43:33,860
 my next question, so annually you review that?

870
00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:36,940
 - Yeah, you put a strategic plan to try to be able to attack

871
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:39,200
 some of those concerns or some of those issues

872
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,800
 that were addressed in that master plan

873
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,920
 and try to eat that elephant like one bite at a time

874
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,480
 to, you know, kind of have a plan

875
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,340
 where you're making the right decision,

876
00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:49,820
 especially when you start getting to budget time

877
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:52,420
 and you start to need resources and things that way,

878
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:55,460
 but really looking at how do we maximize our resources,

879
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:56,720
 you know, maximize our partners.

880
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,000
 Right now we're, and in conversations with UNT and TI,

881
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,300
 you know, DISD because their school systems are growing,

882
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:04,700
 their needs are growing.

883
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:08,000
 How do we, you know, maximize those resources?

884
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,060
 When you look at, we have a volleyball program

885
00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:14,640
 that's about to kick off that has grown from 45 teams

886
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,300
 or 100 teams and serving over 2,000 youth.

887
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,320
 And right now we're at the, you know,

888
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,140
 the mercy of UNT to use their facilities

889
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:27,080
 as well as DISD to try to use their facilities that way

890
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,260
 where we're renters, we're users of those spaces

891
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:32,520
 and how do we maximize that?

892
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,920
 Because right now we're getting to that capacity

893
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,620
 when we're looking at our capacity for growth

894
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:38,960
 that we may have to make some of those tough decisions

895
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,860
 of do we cap our programs?

896
00:44:40,860 --> 00:44:43,000
 And then we have a city that's just growing,

897
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,160
 but we don't want to cap,

898
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,240
 but we need those resources to be able to do that.

899
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,580
 So I think, you know, every year we're looking at

900
00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:51,600
 how to be able to activate our plans,

901
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,220
 but also living in a everyday, you know,

902
00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:57,220
 existence of saying, how do we strategically continue

903
00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:58,920
 to be able to serve?

904
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,360
 - And so you're staying on top of any changes

905
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,060
 that occur that you need to be on top of.

906
00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:05,360
 That's great, that's great.

907
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,520
 Anything else?

908
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,260
 Thank you.

909
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:11,100
 - Thank you.

910
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:11,920
 - Very much. - Appreciate it.

911
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,060
 - Yeah, I appreciate you being here

912
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:16,560
 and taking the time and filling us in.

913
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,540
 - This is what we do, you know, this is what we do.

914
00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:22,640
 I mean, this is a part of being able to educate on,

915
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,940
 you know, uniting, growing, and playing together.

916
00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:27,240
 So hopefully you guys took a part of Halloween.

917
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,140
 I think Gary said we're going to cancel next year

918
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:31,780
 so that we're not doing Halloween for 31 days.

919
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:33,420
 We're only going to do it...

920
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:35,760
 (all laughing)

921
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,580
 35 days.

922
00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:41,200
 - Starting early. - Starting early.

923
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,320
 There's only what, four weeks,

924
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,260
 four weekends in this October coming up.

925
00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:45,860
 So we have to find a way to maximize

926
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:47,660
 that fifth week somehow, so.

927
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:48,800
 - Oh, but a new review.

928
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,940
 (all laughing)

929
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:51,140
 You already found a need.

930
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,640
 We do have another report, and that is 3C-PZ24211.

931
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:05,860
 And I'm thinking we might want to do that as late as it is.

932
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:08,620
 Why don't we take a quick recess, grab your food,

933
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:09,860
 come back as soon as you can

934
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:12,820
 so then Haley can start the presentation.

935
00:46:12,820 --> 00:46:16,100
 We'll go ahead and recess at 6.05.

936
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,480
 - Good evening, and welcome to the City of Denton's

937
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,840
 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting

938
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,640
 for Wednesday, November 13th, 2024.

939
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,240
 With a quorum present, I'll call us to order at 6.36 p.m.

940
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:36,320
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance

941
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,280
 to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

942
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,380
 - I pledge allegiance to the flag

943
00:46:43,380 --> 00:46:45,660
 of the United States of America,

944
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:48,500
 and to the republic for which it stands,

945
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:51,760
 one nation under God, indivisible,

946
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,100
 with liberty and justice for all.

947
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:59,900
 Honor the Texas flag, and pledge allegiance to thee,

948
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:04,740
 Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible.

949
00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:09,020
 - Thank you.

950
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:13,580
 First item of business for us is to consider approval

951
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:16,480
 of our minutes from September 25th meeting

952
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,720
 and October 23rd meeting.

953
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,860
 Commissioner Villarreal.

954
00:47:22,060 --> 00:47:23,520
 - Move approval.

955
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,860
 - Thank you, Commissioner Padrone.

956
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:25,700
 - Second.

957
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:27,600
 - Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval.

958
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,460
 Any discussion?

959
00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:31,360
 Okay, let's vote on the board, please.

960
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:43,180
 That motion carries four zero.

961
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:46,480
 That will take us to our consent agenda for this evening.

962
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,080
 Commissioner Villarreal.

963
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,180
 - Move approval.

964
00:47:50,180 --> 00:47:51,180
 - Commissioner Padrone.

965
00:47:51,180 --> 00:47:52,180
 - Second.

966
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:55,160
 - First and a second for approval of our consent agenda.

967
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,020
 Any discussion?

968
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:58,900
 Okay, let's vote on the board, please.

969
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:05,760
 That motion carries four zero.

970
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,600
 That will take us to items for individual consideration,

971
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,180
 our first being 4A, FP240039.

972
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:14,840
 Mia is here for presentation.

973
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,680
 - Good evening, Chair.

974
00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:22,280
 Members of the commission.

975
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,580
 Give me a second to pull up the presentation here.

976
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:46,840
 Apologies, this is.

977
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:53,040
 Okay, here we go.

978
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:58,720
 All right, Mia Hines, senior planner.

979
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,060
 This is a final plat for the Steward Apartment Addition

980
00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:05,720
 located at the southwest corner of Luke 288

981
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:07,160
 and Steward Road.

982
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,200
 At this time, the plat does not meet

983
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,400
 all of our criteria for approval,

984
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,760
 so we are recommending denial.

985
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,760
 However, staff has no objection

986
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,580
 to the request of extension to December 11, 2024.

987
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:19,140
 At this time, I'll take any questions.

988
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:19,980
 - Thanks, Mia.

989
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:21,200
 - Any questions from you?

990
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,180
 Thank you very much.

991
00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:26,620
 Commissioner Villarreal.

992
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:28,220
 - Move approval of the extension request

993
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:31,180
 to a date certain of December 11, 2024.

994
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:32,280
 - Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt.

995
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,360
 - Second.

996
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,960
 - Okay, we've got a first and a second

997
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,360
 to approve the extension request

998
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,400
 to a date certain of December 11, 2024.

999
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,400
 Any discussion?

1000
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,360
 Okay, let's go ahead and vote, please.

1001
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,640
 That motion carries four, zero.

1002
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,640
 That will take us to 4B, ZCP 240034.

1003
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,740
 Mia is here once again.

1004
00:49:57,740 --> 00:50:02,140
 - Good evening again, Chair.

1005
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:15,700
 Good evening again, Chair, members of the commission,

1006
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:17,520
 Mia Hines, senior planner.

1007
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,360
 This item is a zoning compliance plan

1008
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,400
 for the Predera at Razor Ranch.

1009
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,440
 It's a, the consideration is for a site plan

1010
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,800
 for new multifamily residential development

1011
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,980
 on a lot at approximately eight acres

1012
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:33,580
 located south of Panhandle Street, 200 feet east,

1013
00:50:33,580 --> 00:50:35,940
 I'm sorry, west of North Bonnie Bray.

1014
00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:38,380
 Adjacent land uses for this development.

1015
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:40,120
 The property itself is undeveloped.

1016
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,560
 There are additional multifamily developments

1017
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,480
 to the north in developing multifamily

1018
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,620
 residences to the north there.

1019
00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:51,720
 There's a medical office to the south,

1020
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,700
 an undeveloped property to the west,

1021
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:55,200
 and a gas-full and drainage facilities

1022
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,160
 to the east of the property.

1023
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,000
 The zoning here is the south mixed use district two,

1024
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,880
 that's the base zoning within the Razor Ranch overlay,

1025
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,680
 and the residential or multifamily residential

1026
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,520
 proposed land use that they are trying to develop

1027
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,920
 with this site is permitted under that zoning.

1028
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:12,980
 Just a little reminder,

1029
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:14,920
 we don't see zoning compliance plans often.

1030
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,180
 The Razor Ranch overlay does require site plans

1031
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:21,060
 to be approved by the Planning and Zoning Commission

1032
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:24,260
 as opposed to the typical administrative review process

1033
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:26,220
 that we do, and with this review,

1034
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:28,600
 we do have a site plan for you, landscape plan,

1035
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,360
 as well as four-sided conceptual building elevations.

1036
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,060
 We are looking to make sure that it complies

1037
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:36,180
 with the requirements of the Razor Ranch overlay

1038
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:39,040
 and the approval criteria listed here.

1039
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,340
 The site plan itself, just a little detail,

1040
00:51:43,340 --> 00:51:46,680
 that full layout has been provided to you in your packet.

1041
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,120
 There was an update since the publication

1042
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,280
 of the backup for this meeting.

1043
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,280
 The minor changes that you might notice

1044
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,160
 from what was published and what you have received today

1045
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,300
 is that there are some utility relocates

1046
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:06,000
 in this northern corner of this parking row,

1047
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,100
 as well as some trees added

1048
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:11,000
 in place of those utilities also.

1049
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,180
 The proposal comes with a one-residential,

1050
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:18,080
 one-multi-family residential building with 242 units,

1051
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,080
 a total of just over 41,000 square feet of open space.

1052
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,480
 That includes a pool courtyard area

1053
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,420
 within the middle of the building,

1054
00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:31,460
 a dog park and a pickleball court

1055
00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:34,260
 sort of on the southern end of the building,

1056
00:52:34,260 --> 00:52:37,760
 and then parking is per the requirements

1057
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,760
 of the proposed unit breakdown at 387 spaces.

1058
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,640
 And then this site overall has access,

1059
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,500
 two driveway accesses to Panhandle Street

1060
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:51,880
 as well as a driveway to the south

1061
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,840
 through this little sort of narrow strip here

1062
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,820
 onto Scripture Street.

1063
00:52:56,820 --> 00:53:00,080
 They are meeting the landscape requirements.

1064
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,720
 The minimum landscape area requirement

1065
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:03,620
 for this sub-area is 10%.

1066
00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:06,320
 They are offering 18% as well as

1067
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,200
 the minimum tree canopy coverage that is supposed to be 20%.

1068
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,560
 They are offering well over that at 37%.

1069
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,560
 They are proposing street trees,

1070
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,400
 given consideration to existing easements

1071
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,600
 and things of that nature, and parking will be screened.

1072
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,280
 All parking visible from Panhandle Street will be screened.

1073
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,120
 So here are the proposed conceptual elevations.

1074
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,580
 As you can see, they're proposing

1075
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:31,280
 various masonry material for the buildings.

1076
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,060
 The building itself is supposed to stand at four stories,

1077
00:53:35,060 --> 00:53:36,960
 and that is, of course, in keeping

1078
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,820
 with the razor ranch requirements.

1079
00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:43,220
 So again, they are meeting all of our criteria for approval,

1080
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:46,200
 and with that, staff is recommending approval.

1081
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,500
 At this time, I will take any questions

1082
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,000
 or comments you have.

1083
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,460
 - Thank you, ma'am.

1084
00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:52,400
 Any questions?

1085
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,900
 Okay, thank you very much.

1086
00:53:55,900 --> 00:54:04,460
 This time, Chair can look for discussion or a motion.

1087
00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:05,620
 Commissioner Prueck?

1088
00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:07,640
 - I'll move approval as presented.

1089
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,480
 - Thank you.

1090
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,760
 Second?

1091
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,220
 I'll go ahead and second.

1092
00:54:12,220 --> 00:54:14,440
 Got a first and a second for approval.

1093
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,480
 Any discussion?

1094
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,700
 Okay, let's go ahead and vote, please.

1095
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:26,580
 That motion carries four zero.

1096
00:54:26,580 --> 00:54:30,440
 That takes us to four C, FP2, four zero zero three one.

1097
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,620
 Angie is here for presentation.

1098
00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:37,520
 (clears throat)

1099
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,980
 - Good evening, Chair, members of the commission,

1100
00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:45,060
 Angie Manglaris, development review manager,

1101
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:48,600
 here to present FP2, four zero zero three one.

1102
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,060
 This is a final plat for Hobson Lane.

1103
00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:53,580
 It's a storage facility, or proposed storage facility,

1104
00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:55,220
 on a zoning of SC.

1105
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:57,620
 It is approximately 2.1 acres of land

1106
00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:59,980
 generally situated at the northeast intersection

1107
00:54:59,980 --> 00:55:02,780
 of Country Club and Hobson Lane.

1108
00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:05,380
 At this time, there are some outstanding comments,

1109
00:55:05,380 --> 00:55:07,740
 and staff is recommending denial of this final plat,

1110
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:10,620
 however, has no objection to the request and extension,

1111
00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:13,260
 which could be granted to a date certain of December 11th.

1112
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:15,220
 This would be their first extension request.

1113
00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:17,500
 I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have.

1114
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:18,780
 - Thank you.

1115
00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:20,100
 Questions for Angie?

1116
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:23,580
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1117
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:25,140
 - Move approval of the extension request

1118
00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:28,180
 to a date certain of December 11th, 2024.

1119
00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:29,180
 - Thank you, Commissioner Prueck?

1120
00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:30,260
 - Second.

1121
00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:32,460
 - Got a first and a second to grant the extension request

1122
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:36,260
 to a date certain of December 11th, 2024.

1123
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:37,660
 Discussion?

1124
00:55:37,660 --> 00:55:38,920
 Okay, let's vote, please.

1125
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:46,980
 That motion carries four zero.

1126
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:49,460
 That will take us to our public hearings for this evening.

1127
00:55:49,460 --> 00:55:52,260
 I will just make note that public hearing five D,

1128
00:55:52,260 --> 00:55:54,820
 that's the last one on the agenda,

1129
00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:56,340
 that one will not be heard tonight,

1130
00:55:56,340 --> 00:56:00,140
 that is being postponed to our December 11th meeting,

1131
00:56:00,140 --> 00:56:04,980
 and that's five D A E S A two four zero zero zero three.

1132
00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:10,380
 So with that, we'll move into five A, PD two four zero zero

1133
00:56:10,380 --> 00:56:11,780
 zero three.

1134
00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:13,380
 I will open the public hearing

1135
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:15,580
 and Angie is here for presentation.

1136
00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:25,340
 - Thank you, Chair and members of the commission.

1137
00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:27,460
 Angie Manglaris, development review manager,

1138
00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:31,180
 I'm here to present PD 24 zero zero zero three,

1139
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:32,700
 the reserves at Brush Creek.

1140
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:36,900
 A little bit about this request and some site data.

1141
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:40,780
 This is a rezoning request from RR and R1 districts

1142
00:56:40,780 --> 00:56:42,300
 to a planned development district

1143
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,900
 with the base zoning of R4.

1144
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:48,180
 You all did previously see a case on this,

1145
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:50,380
 the subject property a little over a year ago

1146
00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:54,300
 in June of 2023, that was a straight zoning request.

1147
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:56,260
 For a total of 18 acres of land

1148
00:56:56,260 --> 00:57:00,820
 that contemplated R6 on approximately 15 acres of land

1149
00:57:00,820 --> 00:57:05,100
 and SC on the remainder at the hard corner of US 377

1150
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:06,700
 and Brush Creek Road.

1151
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:09,660
 At that time, several members of the public did speak,

1152
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:11,980
 expressing concern specifically surrounding

1153
00:57:11,980 --> 00:57:15,060
 the residential uses, the density of R6,

1154
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:17,220
 as well as other residential uses

1155
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:19,900
 that could be allowed by right in the R6 zoning,

1156
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:22,100
 including duplexes and townhomes.

1157
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:23,500
 And the planning and zoning commission

1158
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:26,100
 did recommend denial of that request

1159
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:29,780
 and indicated this development would be best to come back

1160
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:31,860
 as a planned development request

1161
00:57:31,860 --> 00:57:33,940
 where the site plan could be specified

1162
00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:35,180
 and where the development standards

1163
00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:36,620
 could be amended where necessary

1164
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:39,580
 to address some of the residential concerns.

1165
00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:42,500
 So that's a little bit of history on this project.

1166
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:46,060
 So this is the rezoning request is for 15.44 acres of land.

1167
00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:48,420
 It's generally situated at the Northeast intersection

1168
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:51,060
 of US 377 and Brush Creek Road.

1169
00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:52,820
 It is predominantly open pasture.

1170
00:57:52,820 --> 00:57:55,460
 It does have an existing residential structure on site

1171
00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:58,180
 along with some associated accessory structures.

1172
00:57:58,180 --> 00:58:01,860
 It is part of a larger 18 acre tract of land.

1173
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:04,940
 The hard corner is not considered as part of this request

1174
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:06,900
 that will retain the R1 zoning.

1175
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:09,500
 And at a future date, should the applicant wish

1176
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:12,700
 could come in and request a development at that time.

1177
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:14,020
 The future land use in this area

1178
00:58:14,020 --> 00:58:15,900
 is predominantly neighborhood mixed use

1179
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:20,460
 with rural residential along the Eastern property line.

1180
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:25,460
 It is surrounded to the North and South by R2 and R1 zoning

1181
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:27,020
 in the city limits.

1182
00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:29,540
 To the East is city of Denton ETJ.

1183
00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:32,460
 It is a established single family residential neighborhood.

1184
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:34,860
 To the West is US 377.

1185
00:58:34,860 --> 00:58:37,260
 Further West of that is PD zoning.

1186
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:39,460
 It is residential is the Sagebrook development

1187
00:58:39,460 --> 00:58:42,140
 which is currently under development.

1188
00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:47,580
 Road systems in the area to the West is US 377.

1189
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:49,220
 It's a North South roadway.

1190
00:58:49,220 --> 00:58:51,180
 It is owned and maintained by TechStot.

1191
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:54,740
 It is designated as a primary arterial on the mobility plan.

1192
00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:57,700
 It's ultimately planned to be a six lane undivided roadway.

1193
00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:59,980
 At this time, TechStot's project tracker

1194
00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:02,100
 does not have an estimated start date

1195
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:04,580
 on when improvements to that roadway would occur.

1196
00:59:04,580 --> 00:59:06,420
 Brush Creek Road is located to the South

1197
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:07,820
 of the subject property.

1198
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:09,380
 It is an East West roadway.

1199
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:11,900
 It is designated as a primary arterial

1200
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:14,020
 and ultimately will be realigned Westward

1201
00:59:14,020 --> 00:59:15,460
 connecting with Allred Road,

1202
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:17,980
 serving as an East West regional connection.

1203
00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:22,100
 So the development plan,

1204
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:23,340
 I'm gonna talk just a little bit

1205
00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:24,580
 about the specifics of this plan.

1206
00:59:24,580 --> 00:59:28,500
 This is for a 42 lot single family residential development.

1207
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:30,100
 It is a proposed gated community

1208
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:32,780
 with privately owned and maintained streets.

1209
00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:34,740
 The development standards which are adopted

1210
00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:37,500
 as part of this PD restrict allowable uses

1211
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:40,380
 to single family residential homes as the primary use

1212
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:42,820
 along with some customary accessory uses

1213
00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:46,420
 including an accessory structure or a detached garage.

1214
00:59:46,420 --> 00:59:48,660
 It does have a base zoning of R4

1215
00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:50,180
 with slightly larger lot sizes

1216
00:59:50,180 --> 00:59:52,300
 than what is required by DDC

1217
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:54,860
 with 60 feet wide by 120 feet deep

1218
00:59:54,860 --> 00:59:59,100
 versus 50 feet wide and 80 feet deep per straight DDC.

1219
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:02,260
 It does add the definition of lot width type B

1220
01:00:02,260 --> 01:00:04,660
 which applies to these thoughts here.

1221
01:00:04,660 --> 01:00:05,940
 It's really these two.

1222
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:08,780
 We're situated on a curve linear street.

1223
01:00:08,780 --> 01:00:11,620
 It takes the lot width at the front line setback

1224
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:14,140
 rather than along the right of way.

1225
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:17,300
 The proposed PD location given that it's situated

1226
01:00:17,300 --> 01:00:19,660
 at the intersection of two primary arterials

1227
01:00:19,660 --> 01:00:21,300
 is appropriate in scale.

1228
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:23,380
 It does provide a transitional area

1229
01:00:23,380 --> 01:00:24,980
 from the higher density developments

1230
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:28,340
 that we are seeing and expect to see along US 377

1231
01:00:28,340 --> 01:00:29,780
 to the lower density developments

1232
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:31,700
 in the east in the city's ETJ.

1233
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:35,220
 A little bit about the landscape plan.

1234
01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:36,540
 Along the eastern property line,

1235
01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:39,500
 the PD does provide a 10 foot wide landscape buffer.

1236
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:42,500
 It consists of a six foot tall masonry wall

1237
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:44,700
 and a continual row of trees.

1238
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:47,260
 The southwestern property line of the PD district

1239
01:00:47,260 --> 01:00:49,780
 does provide for a 15 foot wide landscape buffer

1240
01:00:49,780 --> 01:00:53,180
 between the developing tract and the remainder tract.

1241
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:57,940
 The development plan includes approximately 8.6 land area

1242
01:00:57,940 --> 01:00:59,180
 of open space.

1243
01:00:59,180 --> 01:01:00,500
 That includes a retention pond

1244
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:03,300
 as well as some passive recreational areas

1245
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:06,540
 that are linked through an internal sidewalk.

1246
01:01:06,540 --> 01:01:09,020
 Where street tree requirements could not be met

1247
01:01:09,020 --> 01:01:11,540
 at our rate of one tree per every 30 linear feet,

1248
01:01:11,540 --> 01:01:13,580
 those trees were placed in HOA lots

1249
01:01:13,580 --> 01:01:18,140
 for a total of 15 street trees situated in HOA lots.

1250
01:01:18,140 --> 01:01:21,900
 This was reviewed in accordance

1251
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:23,700
 with our general criteria for approval

1252
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:25,180
 as well as criteria for approval

1253
01:01:25,180 --> 01:01:27,380
 for plan development districts.

1254
01:01:27,380 --> 01:01:28,860
 Staff is recommending approval.

1255
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:31,700
 It is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

1256
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:35,220
 It does provide a greater level of specificity and detail

1257
01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:37,580
 than required by the DDC.

1258
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:41,100
 It is intended to promote compatibility with the area

1259
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:43,120
 and minimize adverse impacts.

1260
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:45,820
 A little bit more about that.

1261
01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:49,540
 As stated earlier, predominantly the future land use

1262
01:01:49,540 --> 01:01:52,060
 for this area is neighborhood mixed use

1263
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:55,220
 which calls for predominantly residential development.

1264
01:01:55,220 --> 01:01:58,620
 It does note that some local serving retail uses

1265
01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:01,580
 are appropriate along the eastern property line

1266
01:02:01,580 --> 01:02:05,340
 is some rural areas future land use designation

1267
01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:08,900
 as you transition further east toward the city's ETJ.

1268
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:12,260
 The subject property does serve as that transitional area

1269
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:14,900
 as stated earlier from the higher intensity

1270
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:17,580
 and density uses along US 377

1271
01:02:17,580 --> 01:02:20,140
 as you move east towards the city's ETJ.

1272
01:02:20,140 --> 01:02:23,540
 The PD does limit allowable land uses

1273
01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:25,660
 and it establishes enhanced design standards

1274
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:28,080
 that are intended to reduce incompatibilities.

1275
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,220
 This is also consistent with the population projections

1276
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:36,300
 of the 2040 comprehensive plan, specifically table 1.3

1277
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:38,480
 which calls for the additional need

1278
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,420
 for approximately 19,800 single family detached housing

1279
01:02:42,420 --> 01:02:43,860
 units in the city.

1280
01:02:43,860 --> 01:02:47,140
 This development would provide an additional 42 units.

1281
01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:49,580
 Likewise, it is consistent with goal HN1

1282
01:02:49,580 --> 01:02:51,380
 to develop and maintain a housing stock

1283
01:02:51,380 --> 01:02:53,480
 that meets the needs of all residents.

1284
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,020
 There is no ESA or other areas designated

1285
01:02:57,020 --> 01:03:00,540
 to be preserved on our maps and so it is consistent

1286
01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:02,580
 with the preferred land preservation plan.

1287
01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:07,300
 Just a little bit more in detail

1288
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:09,820
 regarding design standards and compatibility.

1289
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:13,520
 There are a couple standards that I'd like to point out

1290
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,840
 where this PD proposes a greater level of detail

1291
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,900
 than what will be required by the DDC by right.

1292
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:21,380
 So first, this PD is not introducing any new

1293
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:23,980
 or incompatible activities to the area.

1294
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:26,380
 As I said, they are restricting the allowable uses

1295
01:03:26,380 --> 01:03:28,900
 in the zoning to single family residential

1296
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:30,880
 and customary accessory uses.

1297
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,080
 When residential is developing adjacent

1298
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,460
 to existing residential, the DDC compatibility

1299
01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:40,260
 buffer requirements do not require any additional buffering

1300
01:03:40,260 --> 01:03:42,460
 between those two land uses.

1301
01:03:42,460 --> 01:03:45,100
 The applicant is providing a 10 foot wide landscape buffer

1302
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:47,060
 along the eastern property line of the PD

1303
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:49,820
 where adjacent to existing single family.

1304
01:03:49,820 --> 01:03:52,420
 Likewise, a 15 foot wide landscape buffer

1305
01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:54,820
 is being provided along the southwestern property line

1306
01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:58,860
 of the PD district next to the undeveloped out parcel.

1307
01:03:58,860 --> 01:04:01,180
 The landscaped HOA lots are intended to provide

1308
01:04:01,180 --> 01:04:03,720
 some visual relief along public rights of way

1309
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,300
 and the PD is proposing a slightly larger R4 lot size

1310
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:10,120
 which will maximize distance between the existing homes

1311
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,760
 in the proposed new development.

1312
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:17,640
 Public outreach was conducted in accordance with state law

1313
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,060
 and the Denton Development Code.

1314
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:21,740
 This property is, as we stated,

1315
01:04:21,740 --> 01:04:24,540
 bordered by some land area in the ETJ.

1316
01:04:24,540 --> 01:04:26,380
 So six notices were mailed to property owners

1317
01:04:26,380 --> 01:04:30,060
 within 200 feet and 70 postcards were sent out

1318
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:32,180
 to those within 500 feet.

1319
01:04:32,180 --> 01:04:35,460
 Several emails have been received since the packet did go out

1320
01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:37,460
 and those have been forwarded to you.

1321
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:41,420
 Since the last time a case on this site was considered

1322
01:04:41,420 --> 01:04:42,760
 by the Planning and Zoning Commission,

1323
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,260
 the applicant has held three neighborhood meetings.

1324
01:04:45,260 --> 01:04:48,340
 Staff is recommending approval

1325
01:04:48,340 --> 01:04:50,520
 as it meets our general criteria for approval

1326
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,980
 as well as criteria for approval

1327
01:04:51,980 --> 01:04:53,580
 for plan development districts.

1328
01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:57,020
 The next step would be city council on December 3rd.

1329
01:04:57,020 --> 01:04:59,280
 I am happy to answer any questions you all may have.

1330
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,140
 The applicant is also here with a presentation

1331
01:05:01,140 --> 01:05:03,020
 and they can answer any questions you have.

1332
01:05:03,020 --> 01:05:04,620
 - Great, thank you Angie.

1333
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:05,780
 Questions for Angie?

1334
01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:11,100
 Quick one, with Sagebrook you mentioned it's zoned PD.

1335
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:13,060
 It does not have an underlying zoning?

1336
01:05:13,060 --> 01:05:17,500
 - It does, it may be R6,

1337
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,260
 but I can check that real quick and come back and confirm.

1338
01:05:20,260 --> 01:05:22,580
 - Yeah, and that's what it looks like to me as well.

1339
01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:23,980
 - It's R6, yes, it's R6.

1340
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:25,420
 - Yeah, okay, very good.

1341
01:05:25,420 --> 01:05:26,460
 Thank you.

1342
01:05:26,460 --> 01:05:27,620
 Anything else for Angie?

1343
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:31,600
 Okay, with that then, we'll go ahead

1344
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,660
 and invite the applicant down for presentation.

1345
01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:44,780
 Hi, if you'll give us your name,

1346
01:05:44,780 --> 01:05:45,600
 your time will begin.

1347
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:46,980
 - Hello, good evening commissioners.

1348
01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:48,380
 My name's Omar Awais.

1349
01:05:48,380 --> 01:05:50,660
 I am the owner of Kana Capital

1350
01:05:50,660 --> 01:05:53,820
 and we are representing the owner of this property

1351
01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:56,460
 under our Kana Consulting business.

1352
01:05:56,460 --> 01:05:59,940
 And you wanna introduce yourself as well?

1353
01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:01,500
 - Addison Rogers, I'm the director

1354
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:03,540
 of community planning for Toll Brothers.

1355
01:06:03,540 --> 01:06:04,820
 - Great.

1356
01:06:04,820 --> 01:06:05,700
 - Great.

1357
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:07,300
 I think we have a presentation.

1358
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:12,720
 (Annie laughs)

1359
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,740
 Is it up here?

1360
01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:17,820
 - Sorry, yeah.

1361
01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:26,160
 - There we go, awesome.

1362
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,100
 All right, good evening commissioners.

1363
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:29,460
 It's good to see you again.

1364
01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:32,140
 Last time you saw me was about a year ago

1365
01:06:32,140 --> 01:06:35,880
 and I wanted to quickly go through some of the history here.

1366
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,940
 Just as a reminder, I know Angie did a great job

1367
01:06:37,940 --> 01:06:40,140
 with going through everything that's happened

1368
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:42,120
 over the last year on this.

1369
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,500
 But this property has been presented to PNZ

1370
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:46,660
 more than just one time.

1371
01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:49,740
 I think it's probably three, maybe even four times.

1372
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:54,060
 And it started off with a multifamily proposal

1373
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:55,620
 that obviously didn't go through.

1374
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:58,420
 It went to a different kind of multifamily.

1375
01:06:58,420 --> 01:06:59,260
 That didn't go through.

1376
01:06:59,260 --> 01:07:02,180
 And then the last time was with me and I came in

1377
01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:05,300
 and we presented an R6 zoning

1378
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:08,140
 and presented 40 foot lots in the neighborhood.

1379
01:07:08,140 --> 01:07:10,960
 I wanna say it was somewhere in the range of 60 to 75 lots.

1380
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,900
 I forget how many lots it was.

1381
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:16,260
 And obviously that was denied due to a lot of opposition

1382
01:07:16,260 --> 01:07:19,500
 from both the neighbors and then several comments

1383
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:21,920
 that we received from PNZ.

1384
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,340
 So since we started working on this project,

1385
01:07:26,340 --> 01:07:28,580
 we've held neighborhood meetings,

1386
01:07:28,580 --> 01:07:30,620
 quite a few of them, six total neighborhood meetings.

1387
01:07:30,620 --> 01:07:34,400
 And we've had attendance from a lot of the residents.

1388
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,460
 The folks that we've invited to these neighborhood meetings

1389
01:07:37,460 --> 01:07:39,340
 were not just people within the city of Denton.

1390
01:07:39,340 --> 01:07:42,040
 It was also with folks within the ETJ.

1391
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,260
 We wanted to reach out to everybody

1392
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:45,120
 that was surrounding the area

1393
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,040
 to make sure that neighbors were involved in this process.

1394
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,820
 Now we've obviously received a lot of comments from neighbors.

1395
01:07:50,820 --> 01:07:53,760
 The biggest one is we'd rather not see anything developed here.

1396
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,620
 Short of that, we were trying to take as many comments

1397
01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:57,220
 as we can from the neighbors

1398
01:07:57,220 --> 01:07:59,580
 and try to incorporate as much as we possibly can

1399
01:07:59,580 --> 01:08:02,420
 into the plan while also making it possible

1400
01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:04,180
 for us to develop it.

1401
01:08:04,180 --> 01:08:07,820
 So I went through just five really five big points here

1402
01:08:07,820 --> 01:08:11,420
 on what we've done since the last time we've been here.

1403
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:13,500
 One of the biggest comments that we got was

1404
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:14,900
 if you do an R6 zoning,

1405
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:18,560
 by right you might be able to do duplexes and townhomes

1406
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,280
 and potentially high density type development out here.

1407
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,360
 The recommendation was to come back with a PD

1408
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,900
 with a set number of lots, single family,

1409
01:08:27,900 --> 01:08:30,800
 and a whole bunch of other requirements and restrictions,

1410
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,740
 which I'm sure you're all familiar with the PDs

1411
01:08:32,740 --> 01:08:34,060
 in the city of Denton.

1412
01:08:34,060 --> 01:08:37,100
 They can be very detailed and quite a bit of work goes

1413
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:39,580
 into pulling those documents together.

1414
01:08:39,580 --> 01:08:43,700
 So we've pretty much spent the last year going through that.

1415
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:47,700
 One of the other comments we got was neighbors to the east

1416
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:51,140
 really wanted some privacy on the east side backing up

1417
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:52,220
 to their houses.

1418
01:08:52,220 --> 01:08:56,660
 So it was suggested that we put up a six foot masonry

1419
01:08:56,660 --> 01:08:59,160
 screening wall on the east side.

1420
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:00,180
 We did that.

1421
01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:04,260
 In addition to that, we also put a landscape buffer

1422
01:09:04,260 --> 01:09:06,780
 so that we can plant a whole bunch of trees all the way down

1423
01:09:06,780 --> 01:09:09,500
 and provide even an extra layer of privacy on there.

1424
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:12,060
 So you can see that on the exhibit there

1425
01:09:12,060 --> 01:09:14,860
 where the green line is on the east side of the property.

1426
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:19,060
 One other comment we got was from the neighbors.

1427
01:09:19,060 --> 01:09:23,460
 That was not from you commissioners was bringing homes

1428
01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:27,060
 in the two to $300,000 range with impact values

1429
01:09:27,060 --> 01:09:29,420
 for specialty properties to the east.

1430
01:09:29,420 --> 01:09:32,960
 One really only way to be able to help accommodate

1431
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,340
 some of those comments was to turn this into a,

1432
01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:37,420
 more of a luxury neighborhood.

1433
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:40,980
 And the way to do that is really two ways.

1434
01:09:40,980 --> 01:09:43,860
 One, which is increase the size of the lots

1435
01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:45,660
 so you can increase the size of the homes

1436
01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:46,620
 which we've done here.

1437
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:49,100
 We went from 40 foot lots to not 50 foot lots,

1438
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:53,540
 but 60 foot lots and reduced our lot countdown to 42 lots.

1439
01:09:53,540 --> 01:09:55,500
 The second thing we did was convert this

1440
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:58,220
 to a gated community, which allows us to be able

1441
01:09:58,220 --> 01:10:02,020
 to build more luxurious home in this neighborhood

1442
01:10:02,020 --> 01:10:04,420
 and allows us to be able to charge more per square foot

1443
01:10:04,420 --> 01:10:08,040
 because gated communities help us accommodate that.

1444
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,280
 One other comment that we received also last time

1445
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:16,020
 we were here is you all wanted very specific information

1446
01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:18,700
 on who the builder was gonna be and pictures and images

1447
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:20,180
 of what houses were gonna be built here

1448
01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:21,860
 just to be able to visualize what this neighborhood

1449
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:22,900
 is gonna look like.

1450
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:25,800
 So we're happy to say that we have Toll Brothers on board.

1451
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,460
 I'm sure you're all very familiar with Toll Brothers.

1452
01:10:28,460 --> 01:10:29,700
 They're very big in DFW.

1453
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:32,020
 They're actually very big nationally.

1454
01:10:32,020 --> 01:10:34,700
 They're a great luxury builder all around the Metroplex.

1455
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:36,140
 I know they have some projects in Denton

1456
01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:36,980
 that they're doing right now,

1457
01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:39,880
 along with a lot of other surrounding cities.

1458
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,900
 So I invited Addison here with me

1459
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:43,380
 right after I finished with this slide.

1460
01:10:43,380 --> 01:10:45,080
 He'll go through exactly the houses

1461
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,740
 that we're planning on building in this neighborhood

1462
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:48,180
 so everybody can get a good look

1463
01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:50,480
 of what that's gonna look like.

1464
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,600
 Back to the gated community.

1465
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,100
 One of the comments that we also received

1466
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:57,640
 was maintenance on public streets

1467
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,920
 and reducing the burden on the city

1468
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:03,180
 to maintain streets for new developments.

1469
01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:04,900
 That was another reason that we converted this

1470
01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:07,900
 to a gated community so that the HOA and the residents

1471
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:09,980
 can maintain the streets and it wouldn't be

1472
01:11:09,980 --> 01:11:12,460
 an additional burden on the city of Denton.

1473
01:11:12,460 --> 01:11:17,580
 Really, all in all, look, we've gone through this

1474
01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:19,500
 for quite some time now.

1475
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:22,540
 As the developers, I feel like we've given up

1476
01:11:22,540 --> 01:11:25,340
 quite a bit for this property and to accommodate

1477
01:11:25,340 --> 01:11:27,120
 what surrounding residents want,

1478
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,900
 what you all commissioners would want,

1479
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:31,520
 and what the city would like to see.

1480
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,280
 We've really tried to provide a really nice product here,

1481
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,620
 something that the city can be proud of,

1482
01:11:36,620 --> 01:11:38,340
 something that we can be proud of,

1483
01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:43,340
 and we've readjusted and reworked through the land plan

1484
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:45,900
 many, many times at this point,

1485
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:49,620
 and I feel like this is something that will not only

1486
01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:51,660
 be able to allow us to be able to develop this property

1487
01:11:51,660 --> 01:11:54,220
 that's been sitting out here for a really long time,

1488
01:11:54,220 --> 01:11:56,660
 but it would also allow us to build something

1489
01:11:56,660 --> 01:11:59,260
 that works in this area.

1490
01:11:59,260 --> 01:12:01,860
 It's a good transition spot between the acre lots

1491
01:12:01,860 --> 01:12:05,460
 to the east and the 40, 50 foot lots to the west,

1492
01:12:05,460 --> 01:12:08,380
 and having Toll Brothers on board to do this

1493
01:12:08,380 --> 01:12:10,660
 only adds to the legitimacy of the project

1494
01:12:10,660 --> 01:12:13,340
 along with the luxurious and beautiful aspects

1495
01:12:13,340 --> 01:12:15,640
 of the homes that we're gonna be able to build here.

1496
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,460
 So I'll stop talking here and we'll go to the next slide

1497
01:12:18,460 --> 01:12:21,380
 here and I'll let Addison start going through Toll Brothers.

1498
01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:22,220
 - Appreciate it, Omar.

1499
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:24,580
 So as I mentioned earlier, my name's Addison Rogers,

1500
01:12:24,580 --> 01:12:26,020
 Director of Community Planning for Toll Brothers

1501
01:12:26,020 --> 01:12:27,220
 here in Dallas.

1502
01:12:27,220 --> 01:12:29,180
 For any of you guys that may not be overly familiar

1503
01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:31,860
 with Toll, who we are, we are a national home builder

1504
01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:34,780
 currently building in about 60 markets across 24 states

1505
01:12:34,780 --> 01:12:37,660
 and across this great country.

1506
01:12:37,660 --> 01:12:40,460
 With that said, up in front of you is this slide

1507
01:12:40,460 --> 01:12:41,340
 that's from our website.

1508
01:12:41,340 --> 01:12:43,980
 It kinda highlights the pillars of who we are as a company

1509
01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:45,420
 and what we believe.

1510
01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:48,180
 Most specifically, the idea that we wanna build

1511
01:12:48,180 --> 01:12:51,380
 in prestigious locations, communities like the Preserve

1512
01:12:51,380 --> 01:12:53,380
 at Brush Creek and Denton.

1513
01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:55,340
 We have featured distinctive architecture

1514
01:12:55,340 --> 01:12:57,580
 that also goes with unrivaled choice.

1515
01:12:57,580 --> 01:12:59,780
 That's kind of the combination of the uniqueness

1516
01:12:59,780 --> 01:13:02,700
 of the plans that we bring as well as our individual

1517
01:13:02,700 --> 01:13:04,620
 selections that we offer to our buyers,

1518
01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:07,540
 be that as offered options inside of the home

1519
01:13:07,540 --> 01:13:09,180
 or structural options that they can add

1520
01:13:09,180 --> 01:13:11,060
 to make each individual home unique

1521
01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:12,540
 to their individual family

1522
01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:14,380
 and how they intend to use the property.

1523
01:13:14,380 --> 01:13:17,580
 And lastly, it's that idea of extraordinary customer service

1524
01:13:17,580 --> 01:13:19,660
 from the second that you walk into

1525
01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:21,340
 any one of our model selling centers

1526
01:13:21,340 --> 01:13:23,420
 through the last end of warranty meeting

1527
01:13:23,420 --> 01:13:25,020
 that you'll have with our team

1528
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:27,900
 as your home expires the structural foundational warranty

1529
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:29,660
 many years down the line.

1530
01:13:29,660 --> 01:13:31,940
 Our goal is just to deliver an experience to our buyers

1531
01:13:31,940 --> 01:13:35,420
 that's unmatched in the new home production world.

1532
01:13:35,420 --> 01:13:37,220
 With that, we're just gonna chat quickly

1533
01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:39,900
 on some of the intended architectural styles

1534
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:42,900
 that we would love to see built in this community.

1535
01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:44,540
 Very similar, if you guys are familiar

1536
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:46,780
 with our Vickery project down in Copper Canyon,

1537
01:13:46,780 --> 01:13:48,220
 you can see some of this architecture

1538
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:50,180
 that's been built in that community.

1539
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:52,460
 As Omar mentioned, we're also currently building in Denton

1540
01:13:52,460 --> 01:13:55,140
 in our Parkview community, which has been a great success

1541
01:13:55,140 --> 01:13:58,020
 for both us and I believe the city of Denton as well.

1542
01:13:58,020 --> 01:14:00,900
 In front of you, this is our Hill Country elevation.

1543
01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:04,540
 So this is an ode to kind of the both Hill Country in Texas

1544
01:14:04,540 --> 01:14:07,860
 and more Southwestern architectural style.

1545
01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:10,940
 These plans are gonna feature stone as well as some stucco

1546
01:14:10,940 --> 01:14:12,740
 and some metal roof accents.

1547
01:14:12,740 --> 01:14:14,340
 Again, just really calling into

1548
01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:16,700
 that Southwestern architecture.

1549
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:19,940
 Our Tudor elevations are a modern spin

1550
01:14:19,940 --> 01:14:22,300
 on what has been a very traditional plan.

1551
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:23,860
 Those are gonna be a painted brick

1552
01:14:23,860 --> 01:14:27,300
 as well as the just modern steep pitch roof lines

1553
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:30,340
 as you would see common to a Tudor plan.

1554
01:14:30,340 --> 01:14:34,700
 Classic, this is a minimalist plan, if you will.

1555
01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:36,420
 The devil here is in the details.

1556
01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:37,740
 It's in the small brick detailing,

1557
01:14:37,740 --> 01:14:39,260
 the soldier courses, brick rows.

1558
01:14:39,260 --> 01:14:42,060
 And again, that painted brick, just super elegant

1559
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:44,740
 when delivered as we can in our communities.

1560
01:14:44,740 --> 01:14:47,940
 Modern farmhouse, contemporary twist

1561
01:14:47,940 --> 01:14:50,420
 on a staple that built this country

1562
01:14:50,420 --> 01:14:52,900
 across the United States.

1563
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:54,660
 Again, vertical board and batten

1564
01:14:54,660 --> 01:14:58,220
 as a primary distinctive decorative feature

1565
01:14:58,220 --> 01:15:01,300
 as well as some stone stucco and brick work as well.

1566
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:03,580
 And then last one that we'll talk about quickly

1567
01:15:03,580 --> 01:15:05,500
 is just our Mediterranean,

1568
01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:09,060
 whether that be products similar to like a French Riviera

1569
01:15:09,060 --> 01:15:11,100
 or more on the Iberian Peninsula

1570
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:14,140
 or even towards the GNC area in Greece.

1571
01:15:14,140 --> 01:15:16,060
 But these are that typical low pitch,

1572
01:15:16,060 --> 01:15:19,100
 they will have a tile roof that you can see is,

1573
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:21,260
 again, super popular both in North Texas

1574
01:15:21,260 --> 01:15:23,220
 and a classic piece of architecture.

1575
01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:26,220
 With that, any questions?

1576
01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:27,060
 We're here.

1577
01:15:28,660 --> 01:15:30,260
 Let me find, I'm gonna switch my screen back

1578
01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:32,460
 to see if we've got any questions for you.

1579
01:15:32,460 --> 01:15:34,780
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1580
01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:36,780
 - Thank you, Chair, this is for Omar.

1581
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:39,940
 Appreciate you coming back with this compromise plan.

1582
01:15:39,940 --> 01:15:41,660
 I know in the backup material,

1583
01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:44,100
 and you mentioned during your presentation,

1584
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:46,700
 that you had three additional meetings with the community.

1585
01:15:46,700 --> 01:15:49,740
 At the end of the meetings, the community,

1586
01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:52,020
 were they amenable to your compromise plan?

1587
01:15:52,020 --> 01:15:54,100
 Were they amenable to the changes you were making?

1588
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:59,100
 - So I'd say, in all honesty, 75% were probably not.

1589
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:02,020
 We had a meeting a couple of weeks ago,

1590
01:16:02,020 --> 01:16:03,780
 one person showed up to that meeting

1591
01:16:03,780 --> 01:16:06,220
 and they were not on board with the project.

1592
01:16:06,220 --> 01:16:08,460
 Even we tried to explain everything that we've done.

1593
01:16:08,460 --> 01:16:11,060
 The meeting before that was probably a little bit better.

1594
01:16:11,060 --> 01:16:13,620
 There were some conversations about what can we possibly do

1595
01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:14,780
 and we talked about that,

1596
01:16:14,780 --> 01:16:16,580
 including the fence on the east side,

1597
01:16:16,580 --> 01:16:20,100
 including the pond and having the fountain in it

1598
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:21,540
 and all the landscaping going on there

1599
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:23,980
 and making it gated and talked about traffic issues

1600
01:16:23,980 --> 01:16:25,740
 and the TIA that we did.

1601
01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:29,860
 So we really tried, it's a judgment call.

1602
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:31,220
 I guess we'll find out tonight.

1603
01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:32,860
 I'm sure you'll hear a lot of opposition to this,

1604
01:16:32,860 --> 01:16:35,460
 but we really did try the best that we could

1605
01:16:35,460 --> 01:16:38,300
 and took a lot of the comments and just did what we could.

1606
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:43,860
 I think intent is a really important thing here.

1607
01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:45,860
 The fact that we reached out to residents

1608
01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:48,540
 that were not in the city of Denton, that were in the ETJ,

1609
01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:50,780
 just to make sure, because they're neighbors,

1610
01:16:50,780 --> 01:16:52,580
 we wanted to make sure we did the right thing.

1611
01:16:52,580 --> 01:16:55,100
 We invited everybody we possibly could to these meetings.

1612
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:57,220
 We send out things in the mail.

1613
01:16:57,220 --> 01:16:59,220
 We reached out to HOAs to let them know,

1614
01:16:59,220 --> 01:17:01,860
 to blast it out that there's a neighborhood meeting happening.

1615
01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:03,100
 So we did the best we could,

1616
01:17:03,100 --> 01:17:06,780
 but I obviously can't make everybody happy.

1617
01:17:06,780 --> 01:17:07,700
 - Appreciate your perspective.

1618
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:09,300
 Looking forward to hearing from the community.

1619
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:10,460
 Thanks. - Yep, thank you.

1620
01:17:10,460 --> 01:17:11,700
 - Thanks.

1621
01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:14,020
 Anything else for our applicant?

1622
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:17,020
 Omar, let me ask you this.

1623
01:17:17,020 --> 01:17:22,020
 With the line of trees that will buffer that neighborhood,

1624
01:17:22,380 --> 01:17:26,620
 to the east, what are you thinking, envisioning?

1625
01:17:26,620 --> 01:17:28,380
 'Cause all those have to be planted, right?

1626
01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:29,580
 There's nothing there now.

1627
01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:30,420
 - There's nothing there now.

1628
01:17:30,420 --> 01:17:32,100
 So not only is there a line of trees,

1629
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:35,620
 there's also a six foot brick screening wall

1630
01:17:35,620 --> 01:17:36,940
 in addition to that.

1631
01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:38,700
 I believe we call out the type of trees

1632
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:39,540
 that we have on there.

1633
01:17:39,540 --> 01:17:41,860
 What will end up happening is once those houses are built,

1634
01:17:41,860 --> 01:17:43,340
 'cause you don't wanna plant the trees too early

1635
01:17:43,340 --> 01:17:45,660
 and then home building starts, you tear those trees up.

1636
01:17:45,660 --> 01:17:47,780
 So what will happen is part of the development,

1637
01:17:47,780 --> 01:17:48,940
 we'll put the screening wall up

1638
01:17:48,940 --> 01:17:51,540
 to provide that privacy immediately.

1639
01:17:51,540 --> 01:17:52,820
 And then once the houses are built,

1640
01:17:52,820 --> 01:17:53,980
 with every house that gets built,

1641
01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:55,900
 Toll Brothers will come in and they put the trees

1642
01:17:55,900 --> 01:17:58,540
 in the backyard within that easement.

1643
01:17:58,540 --> 01:18:00,500
 All that's included not only in the PD,

1644
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:04,820
 but it's included in the CCNRs and the HOA guidelines

1645
01:18:04,820 --> 01:18:06,780
 to make sure that those trees get planted.

1646
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:09,700
 Whether Toll decides to wanna do them or not, it can't.

1647
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:12,220
 It's in the CCNRs and it has to be done that way.

1648
01:18:12,220 --> 01:18:15,260
 Otherwise, the HOA will have to come in and do it for them.

1649
01:18:15,260 --> 01:18:17,060
 - Okay, good, great.

1650
01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:19,900
 Anything else at the moment?

1651
01:18:20,780 --> 01:18:23,380
 Okay, we'll let y'all sit down and we'll call you back up

1652
01:18:23,380 --> 01:18:24,220
 if we've got other questions.

1653
01:18:24,220 --> 01:18:25,060
 - Perfect, thank you for your time.

1654
01:18:25,060 --> 01:18:25,940
 - Sure, thank you.

1655
01:18:25,940 --> 01:18:30,860
 I don't have any cards wishing to speak.

1656
01:18:30,860 --> 01:18:33,900
 I've got a couple of cards not wishing to speak.

1657
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:36,140
 So when I call you, if you want to speak

1658
01:18:36,140 --> 01:18:38,980
 and you've changed your mind, please raise your hand.

1659
01:18:38,980 --> 01:18:44,580
 If you will then give all the cards, please,

1660
01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:48,300
 to our secretary, that would be great.

1661
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:49,860
 That way I'll have the cards.

1662
01:18:51,540 --> 01:18:53,780
 (laughing)

1663
01:18:53,780 --> 01:19:01,020
 In the meantime, I'll call out what I have now.

1664
01:19:01,020 --> 01:19:06,020
 Jay Suk is in opposition, not wishing to speak.

1665
01:19:06,020 --> 01:19:11,860
 David, it's hard for me to read that.

1666
01:19:11,860 --> 01:19:16,860
 David and Shen Brunson in opposition, not wishing to speak.

1667
01:19:18,140 --> 01:19:22,180
 Amy Blackburn in opposition, not wishing to speak.

1668
01:19:22,180 --> 01:19:24,000
 Okay.

1669
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:31,460
 Let's see, I've got Carol Hasley is wishing to speak

1670
01:19:31,460 --> 01:19:36,660
 or I probably said your name wrong and I apologize.

1671
01:19:36,660 --> 01:19:46,460
 - Hi. - Hi.

1672
01:19:46,460 --> 01:19:48,300
 - If you could just state your name, your time will begin.

1673
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:51,740
 - Carol Hasley, I live in the hills of Argyle

1674
01:19:51,740 --> 01:19:55,020
 which is right behind this development.

1675
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:58,340
 I'm gonna admit that I'm not really prepared.

1676
01:19:58,340 --> 01:20:02,040
 We were here last time when it was the other proposal.

1677
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:06,340
 I guess I wanna know with a,

1678
01:20:06,340 --> 01:20:10,460
 it came up last time, this whole plan development.

1679
01:20:10,460 --> 01:20:14,940
 How do we hold them to what they say

1680
01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:18,540
 if it gets approved because those are the details

1681
01:20:18,540 --> 01:20:19,900
 I don't understand.

1682
01:20:19,900 --> 01:20:25,780
 I'm still not sure that R4 sounds like the right buffer.

1683
01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:31,160
 Gated community, how do they,

1684
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,100
 what happens when they don't do that?

1685
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:35,900
 What happens when it's not gated?

1686
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:40,660
 What happens when it's not the luxury development?

1687
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:45,900
 Can you, yeah, I just have a lot of questions

1688
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:49,060
 so every instinct in me is to still be opposed to it.

1689
01:20:49,060 --> 01:20:52,100
 - Thank you for sharing that.

1690
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:56,180
 I'm gonna actually have Tina address some of your questions

1691
01:20:56,180 --> 01:20:58,820
 'cause yeah, most of your concerns

1692
01:20:58,820 --> 01:21:02,200
 are actually written in this PD, so.

1693
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,780
 - Thank you, I was trying to make sure

1694
01:21:06,780 --> 01:21:08,060
 I get all of your questions.

1695
01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:10,580
 So the main issue regarding how do we hold them

1696
01:21:10,580 --> 01:21:12,020
 to what is being presented.

1697
01:21:12,020 --> 01:21:14,520
 So the plan development district standards

1698
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,200
 that are included in the agenda packet this evening

1699
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,220
 have all of the development requirements

1700
01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:21,140
 that Ms. Manglera spoke to.

1701
01:21:21,140 --> 01:21:23,620
 So the plans that were included

1702
01:21:23,620 --> 01:21:24,700
 as part of the agenda materials

1703
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:26,660
 will be attached to the ordinance

1704
01:21:26,660 --> 01:21:28,720
 and that is what we enforce.

1705
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:34,300
 The pictures that are shown regarding the builder,

1706
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:36,740
 the plan development district does not stipulate

1707
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:39,500
 which builder has to build within the neighborhood.

1708
01:21:39,500 --> 01:21:43,300
 So while the applicant currently has Toll Brothers

1709
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:46,100
 in partnership with them, there's no guarantee

1710
01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:48,260
 that Toll Brothers would actually be the builder

1711
01:21:48,260 --> 01:21:49,540
 associated with that.

1712
01:21:49,540 --> 01:21:50,380
 That could change.

1713
01:21:50,380 --> 01:21:52,180
 We do not stipulate within

1714
01:21:52,180 --> 01:21:54,260
 plan development district regulations

1715
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:56,760
 what builders build within the development.

1716
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:03,140
 Regarding the R4 being the correct buffer,

1717
01:22:03,140 --> 01:22:05,460
 based upon our analysis and looking at the zoning

1718
01:22:05,460 --> 01:22:07,420
 in the area, we believe that the R4 district

1719
01:22:07,420 --> 01:22:09,500
 would be appropriate, especially given the concerns

1720
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:11,380
 that were expressed at the prior meeting

1721
01:22:11,380 --> 01:22:13,060
 with I believe it was the R6

1722
01:22:13,060 --> 01:22:17,140
 that was previously presented several months back.

1723
01:22:17,140 --> 01:22:19,620
 And then regarding the gated requirement,

1724
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:22,140
 so that is included within the plan development district

1725
01:22:22,140 --> 01:22:25,740
 and so if this request were ultimately be approved

1726
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:28,280
 by city council, then the private streets

1727
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,260
 and gated requirement holds true.

1728
01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:33,900
 If the applicant in the future, Ursus Magus,

1729
01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:36,940
 if this development is approved and the lots get built

1730
01:22:36,940 --> 01:22:39,180
 and residents live there and later on the residents

1731
01:22:39,180 --> 01:22:42,140
 decide that they no longer want to maintain the streets,

1732
01:22:42,140 --> 01:22:43,740
 they would have to have the zoning amended

1733
01:22:43,740 --> 01:22:45,540
 to remove that requirement.

1734
01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:49,580
 And then, and I guess your last point was the builder,

1735
01:22:49,580 --> 01:22:50,420
 so I've addressed that.

1736
01:22:50,420 --> 01:22:52,620
 So I believe I addressed all your questions.

1737
01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:56,700
 - Thank you, Tina, I appreciate it.

1738
01:22:56,700 --> 01:23:01,220
 Next card I have is Dennis Brown.

1739
01:23:01,220 --> 01:23:04,500
 I think it says Brown, I'm sorry if it doesn't.

1740
01:23:06,940 --> 01:23:10,100
 (Tina laughs)

1741
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:10,940
 - I'm Dennis Brown. - Hi there.

1742
01:23:10,940 --> 01:23:13,420
 - I'm a resident of Country Club Village.

1743
01:23:13,420 --> 01:23:16,100
 I think the proposal sounds great and it looks great,

1744
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:18,220
 but being the city of Argyle,

1745
01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:20,640
 those students or those will go

1746
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,260
 to Argyle School District, correct?

1747
01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:23,580
 We're overcrowded.

1748
01:23:23,580 --> 01:23:25,900
 I don't know if you've ever been down Brush Creek Road,

1749
01:23:25,900 --> 01:23:28,940
 but the roads on the side are falling off,

1750
01:23:28,940 --> 01:23:30,380
 the construction and so forth.

1751
01:23:30,380 --> 01:23:31,500
 You can hardly even get down.

1752
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:33,460
 It's a 30 mile an hour road.

1753
01:23:33,460 --> 01:23:35,020
 Would this, would they be required

1754
01:23:35,020 --> 01:23:36,340
 to fix that road or something?

1755
01:23:36,340 --> 01:23:38,460
 Or is that the city that would have to fix that road?

1756
01:23:38,460 --> 01:23:40,900
 'Cause right now, they have an entrance going in there.

1757
01:23:40,900 --> 01:23:43,060
 That road is absolutely atrocious.

1758
01:23:43,060 --> 01:23:44,620
 I mean, the plan looks great and so forth,

1759
01:23:44,620 --> 01:23:47,020
 but they're going to our school that's already overcrowded.

1760
01:23:47,020 --> 01:23:49,180
 Our taxes are through the roof

1761
01:23:49,180 --> 01:23:51,620
 and it's just gonna put more children at our school

1762
01:23:51,620 --> 01:23:53,660
 that our school taxes and stuff would be paying for.

1763
01:23:53,660 --> 01:23:56,260
 And I don't know if they, when Buckeyes is put in,

1764
01:23:56,260 --> 01:23:58,500
 they always put in the road infrastructure and so forth,

1765
01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:00,180
 but that road right there at Brush Creek

1766
01:24:00,180 --> 01:24:02,020
 is absolutely atrocious.

1767
01:24:02,020 --> 01:24:04,220
 And I don't know how I can support going into there

1768
01:24:04,220 --> 01:24:07,960
 and putting more traffic on 377 and Brush Creek.

1769
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,780
 So, that's my concerns.

1770
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:12,180
 - Thank you for sharing them.

1771
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:14,500
 Angie, can I invite you down, please,

1772
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:18,020
 while we've got these questions right in front of us,

1773
01:24:18,020 --> 01:24:21,760
 for you to address anything.

1774
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,260
 Does the developer have to do anything

1775
01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:26,900
 with regard to the road right now?

1776
01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:30,820
 And have you talked to Argyle ISD

1777
01:24:30,820 --> 01:24:32,260
 or has the developer with regard

1778
01:24:32,260 --> 01:24:33,700
 to this development going in?

1779
01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:37,820
 - I did connect with Argyle ISD.

1780
01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:38,660
 I'll address that one.

1781
01:24:38,660 --> 01:24:40,100
 That's the easier one first.

1782
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:43,500
 Just to see what the development was on the radar

1783
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:46,200
 and also to predict how many students

1784
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:47,540
 that this development would produce.

1785
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:50,200
 We have our own equation for DISD,

1786
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,740
 but rely on Argyle ISD as they're their own experts.

1787
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:55,820
 They do predict that this would add 31 students

1788
01:24:55,820 --> 01:24:57,080
 to the district.

1789
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:58,580
 I did not receive any indication

1790
01:24:58,580 --> 01:25:03,580
 that that was a number that could not be accommodated

1791
01:25:03,580 --> 01:25:04,820
 by the schools.

1792
01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:08,500
 So that's the information I have from Argyle ISD on that.

1793
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:11,380
 Regarding Brush Creek Lane or road,

1794
01:25:11,380 --> 01:25:15,460
 it is designated on the 2022 mobility plan

1795
01:25:15,460 --> 01:25:17,540
 as a primary arterial.

1796
01:25:17,540 --> 01:25:21,320
 At this time, it is not at primary arterial status

1797
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:25,620
 and the developer is required to dedicate

1798
01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:28,420
 to achieve one half of the ultimate right of way.

1799
01:25:28,420 --> 01:25:30,420
 So primary arterial has an ultimate right of way

1800
01:25:30,420 --> 01:25:33,260
 of 135 feet along their property line.

1801
01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:36,500
 They're required to dedicate to achieve 67 and a half feet

1802
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:37,900
 as well as make those improvements

1803
01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:40,780
 along their property line.

1804
01:25:40,780 --> 01:25:42,340
 Ultimately, at a future date,

1805
01:25:42,340 --> 01:25:45,500
 I don't have that date, it's not slated yet,

1806
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:48,860
 but Brush Creek is slated to be improved

1807
01:25:48,860 --> 01:25:50,260
 as a primary arterial,

1808
01:25:50,260 --> 01:25:52,500
 serving as that ultimate east-west connection

1809
01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:54,420
 really throughout the city.

1810
01:25:54,420 --> 01:25:56,800
 It would connect into Hickory Creek Road

1811
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,140
 further to the east and then as you move west to Allred,

1812
01:26:00,140 --> 01:26:03,700
 providing for that east-west primary arterial connection.

1813
01:26:03,700 --> 01:26:06,460
 So those improvements are obviously longer term,

1814
01:26:06,460 --> 01:26:07,900
 whereas the applicant is required

1815
01:26:07,900 --> 01:26:11,540
 to improve their frontage with construction.

1816
01:26:11,540 --> 01:26:13,560
 - Great, thank you for addressing that.

1817
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:18,860
 I'm gonna continue to read cards that I have.

1818
01:26:18,860 --> 01:26:21,280
 David Haslees is in opposition,

1819
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,940
 does not wish to speak unless they've changed their mind.

1820
01:26:23,940 --> 01:26:24,780
 Okay.

1821
01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:27,560
 Alexander Allen,

1822
01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:30,620
 not wishing to speak?

1823
01:26:30,620 --> 01:26:32,820
 Okay, in opposition.

1824
01:26:32,820 --> 01:26:34,460
 Lane Tidwell,

1825
01:26:34,460 --> 01:26:38,660
 in opposition, not wishing to speak?

1826
01:26:38,660 --> 01:26:39,500
 Okay.

1827
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:44,440
 And Charles Cassidy,

1828
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:46,360
 in opposition, not wishing to speak?

1829
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,360
 Or would you like to?

1830
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,420
 If you would like to, yeah,

1831
01:26:50,420 --> 01:26:52,860
 please come down to the microphone

1832
01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:56,060
 and the floor will be yours as soon as you give us your name.

1833
01:26:56,060 --> 01:26:59,180
 - Yes, Charles Cassidy, Hills of Argo.

1834
01:26:59,180 --> 01:27:03,020
 I was just curious regarding the meetings he mentioned

1835
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:04,440
 to the neighbors.

1836
01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:09,440
 So as far as the neighbors in the area,

1837
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:11,740
 did you receive an invitation?

1838
01:27:11,740 --> 01:27:13,540
 - If you could speak into the microphone, I'm sorry.

1839
01:27:13,540 --> 01:27:14,360
 - I'm sorry.

1840
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,200
 So show of hands for neighbors in the area.

1841
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,700
 Okay, in the area.

1842
01:27:21,700 --> 01:27:23,900
 Did you receive an invitation to any meeting?

1843
01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:26,980
 Okay, thank you.

1844
01:27:26,980 --> 01:27:27,900
 - Okay, thank you.

1845
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:32,980
 I don't have any cards in front of me.

1846
01:27:32,980 --> 01:27:36,980
 Is there anyone wishing to speak on this item?

1847
01:27:36,980 --> 01:27:42,560
 Okay, with that, I'll go ahead and close the public hearing.

1848
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,160
 I'm gonna open the floor for discussion or a motion.

1849
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:50,580
 Omar, I do have a question for you,

1850
01:27:50,580 --> 01:27:53,220
 if you don't mind coming back down here,

1851
01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:57,500
 'cause I'm gonna ask that with what was just brought up.

1852
01:27:57,500 --> 01:27:59,140
 Can you tell me where you mailed to?

1853
01:27:59,140 --> 01:28:02,980
 - We have a list, we got a list from Angie about,

1854
01:28:02,980 --> 01:28:04,820
 I wanna say, was it a year ago or so?

1855
01:28:04,820 --> 01:28:06,260
 Whenever we started doing the whole neighborhood

1856
01:28:06,260 --> 01:28:08,500
 meeting thing, we have a list of addresses,

1857
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:13,420
 and we've got, I can provide that list to you

1858
01:28:13,420 --> 01:28:14,420
 after this meeting.

1859
01:28:14,420 --> 01:28:15,940
 It's the same list that we've sent it out

1860
01:28:15,940 --> 01:28:16,940
 for all six meetings.

1861
01:28:16,940 --> 01:28:18,660
 - It's the notification.

1862
01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:19,940
 - Well, not only the notification, no,

1863
01:28:19,940 --> 01:28:22,300
 we also added to it the properties to the east.

1864
01:28:22,300 --> 01:28:24,460
 I'm not sure why folks haven't received it,

1865
01:28:24,460 --> 01:28:27,820
 but we have, I can provide that list to you.

1866
01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:31,120
 There was, Tara, how many were there on that?

1867
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,820
 - About 32. - 32.

1868
01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:36,380
 So we sent out 32 bailers to folks for these meetings

1869
01:28:36,380 --> 01:28:40,260
 within two weeks of any meeting before it was held.

1870
01:28:40,260 --> 01:28:43,940
 So, again, not sure where, why people were receiving it,

1871
01:28:43,940 --> 01:28:45,100
 but folks showed up to the meeting.

1872
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:47,020
 - Well, yeah, I guess I'm assuming you didn't hit

1873
01:28:47,020 --> 01:28:48,740
 all of Hills of Argyle.

1874
01:28:48,740 --> 01:28:51,340
 - Yeah, it wasn't the entire Hills of Argyle, exactly.

1875
01:28:51,340 --> 01:28:54,980
 Yeah, it was people within an X distance.

1876
01:28:54,980 --> 01:28:57,380
 - Yeah, 'cause I think, yeah, there's only

1877
01:28:57,380 --> 01:28:59,820
 maybe a street that comes within that 500-foot buffer

1878
01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:01,820
 anyway, yeah, okay, that makes sense.

1879
01:29:01,820 --> 01:29:03,060
 Okay, thank you, I appreciate that.

1880
01:29:03,060 --> 01:29:04,100
 - Thank you.

1881
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:05,100
 - Commissioner Pruitt.

1882
01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:07,340
 - Thank you, Chair.

1883
01:29:07,340 --> 01:29:12,340
 A question for staff about some utility locations

1884
01:29:12,340 --> 01:29:14,140
 and how that works out.

1885
01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:19,980
 Sorry, the map, the GIS map I'm looking at,

1886
01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:24,900
 I think it used to have water and wastewater layers

1887
01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:26,580
 on there, and I don't see it now.

1888
01:29:26,580 --> 01:29:31,220
 So, I'm just trying to understand, would this water

1889
01:29:31,220 --> 01:29:36,140
 and wastewater service be extended southward along 377

1890
01:29:36,140 --> 01:29:40,020
 from the north of Hickory Creek?

1891
01:29:40,020 --> 01:29:42,820
 Where are utilities coming from, and who pays

1892
01:29:42,820 --> 01:29:45,380
 for the extensions from, and where do they exist to?

1893
01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:46,460
 Does that make sense?

1894
01:29:46,460 --> 01:29:48,100
 - Sure, and I would have to go back

1895
01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:49,420
 and look at the utility plan.

1896
01:29:49,420 --> 01:29:52,780
 You are correct, our infrastructure's not available

1897
01:29:52,780 --> 01:29:54,980
 on GIS anymore for...

1898
01:29:56,860 --> 01:29:58,620
 Legal reasons, security reasons.

1899
01:29:58,620 --> 01:30:03,860
 It has been reviewed by our engineering team,

1900
01:30:03,860 --> 01:30:08,460
 as well as representatives from our water

1901
01:30:08,460 --> 01:30:10,420
 and wastewater departments, and they have determined

1902
01:30:10,420 --> 01:30:11,980
 that the connections can be made.

1903
01:30:11,980 --> 01:30:15,020
 I do believe that they were from the north,

1904
01:30:15,020 --> 01:30:17,620
 but again, I would wanna verify on that plan

1905
01:30:17,620 --> 01:30:19,300
 before answering with certainty.

1906
01:30:19,300 --> 01:30:22,420
 But no capacity issues were identified,

1907
01:30:22,420 --> 01:30:25,740
 and they did receive the okay to move forward

1908
01:30:25,740 --> 01:30:28,420
 with the plans as presented from a utility aspect.

1909
01:30:28,420 --> 01:30:31,340
 - Okay, yeah, I guess I'm just trying to identify

1910
01:30:31,340 --> 01:30:39,300
 whether this would require non-pipe infrastructure

1911
01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:42,660
 that would have to move into the city's capital plan

1912
01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:46,140
 or not, be it lift stations or pump stations

1913
01:30:46,140 --> 01:30:51,140
 to achieve pressure, given there's a Hickory Creek corridor

1914
01:30:51,140 --> 01:30:54,900
 north of here, and that sort of thing.

1915
01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:57,260
 So maybe you don't have all the answers,

1916
01:30:57,260 --> 01:31:00,940
 but if there's any way to speak to that

1917
01:31:00,940 --> 01:31:03,380
 or give me any information, I'd appreciate it.

1918
01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:05,300
 - Sure, and I can certainly,

1919
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:07,260
 I don't have all the information.

1920
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:11,660
 To my understanding, there was no lift station needs

1921
01:31:11,660 --> 01:31:13,500
 identified as part of this project,

1922
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:16,380
 but if it's okay with you and members of the commission,

1923
01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:19,900
 I'd like to report back with more firm answers than that.

1924
01:31:19,900 --> 01:31:22,060
 I can send it out to you all via an email

1925
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:25,940
 as part of a follow-up and include it in the council backup

1926
01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:28,100
 so that information is provided.

1927
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:29,740
 - Okay, thank you. - Thank you.

1928
01:31:29,740 --> 01:31:34,740
 - Thanks, Angie, I don't see any other questions

1929
01:31:34,740 --> 01:31:35,580
 at the moment.

1930
01:31:35,580 --> 01:31:40,420
 Yeah, are there any questions, discussions?

1931
01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:42,900
 Motion?

1932
01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:50,100
 Okay, well, I'm gonna go ahead and move approval

1933
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:52,020
 and I'll say why.

1934
01:31:52,020 --> 01:31:58,820
 This plan, compared to anything we've seen on this,

1935
01:31:58,820 --> 01:32:02,260
 it makes sense being transitional

1936
01:32:02,260 --> 01:32:05,020
 from the rural houses around it,

1937
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,700
 with the density that's across the street,

1938
01:32:06,700 --> 01:32:09,700
 and this is less, with the restrictions in the PD

1939
01:32:09,700 --> 01:32:13,700
 with regard to lot size, with the gated community.

1940
01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:18,260
 There has been engagement in the neighborhood.

1941
01:32:19,780 --> 01:32:22,980
 We do have a lot of opposition cards here.

1942
01:32:22,980 --> 01:32:27,500
 Unfortunately, I don't know exactly why.

1943
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:33,060
 One concern was raised that, how is this guaranteed?

1944
01:32:33,060 --> 01:32:36,140
 And those questions were answered.

1945
01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:40,020
 The rest, unfortunately, I don't know why,

1946
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:41,980
 we don't know why, we didn't hear why.

1947
01:32:41,980 --> 01:32:48,060
 So that would be helpful, but without that,

1948
01:32:48,060 --> 01:32:50,340
 I have to go with what staff presented

1949
01:32:50,340 --> 01:32:55,340
 with what I know and what I can see

1950
01:32:55,340 --> 01:33:00,980
 with the project presented, and it's a good plan.

1951
01:33:00,980 --> 01:33:06,540
 I hope it is Toll Brothers if this does go forward,

1952
01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:08,660
 because they're a fantastic builder.

1953
01:33:08,660 --> 01:33:12,340
 It would be great to have in the city of Denton

1954
01:33:12,340 --> 01:33:13,900
 another project by them.

1955
01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:17,660
 So with that, I do motion approval.

1956
01:33:18,900 --> 01:33:21,980
 And we'll see if anyone would like to second that.

1957
01:33:21,980 --> 01:33:31,460
 Okay, seeing none, we will pull that.

1958
01:33:31,460 --> 01:33:35,540
 So we do have to take action, Commissioner Villarreal.

1959
01:33:35,540 --> 01:33:36,380
 - Move denial.

1960
01:33:36,380 --> 01:33:44,540
 - Got a first for denial.

1961
01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:52,540
 Okay, Commissioner, well, we do have to take action on this

1962
01:33:52,540 --> 01:33:56,220
 so we could continue the discussion.

1963
01:33:56,220 --> 01:34:01,940
 Please, Hillary.

1964
01:34:01,940 --> 01:34:09,780
 - Observing that we have four commissioners present

1965
01:34:09,780 --> 01:34:14,780
 and that there is some reluctance to second either motion.

1966
01:34:18,220 --> 01:34:21,820
 A third option, main DB to motion to continue.

1967
01:34:21,820 --> 01:34:24,340
 - Continue to where we have a bigger commission.

1968
01:34:24,340 --> 01:34:25,940
 - That wouldn't result in a tie.

1969
01:34:25,940 --> 01:34:29,340
 - Well, we can't even get a motion on the floor

1970
01:34:29,340 --> 01:34:30,180
 at the moment.

1971
01:34:30,180 --> 01:34:38,060
 Okay, we do have utility information, okay.

1972
01:34:38,060 --> 01:34:41,700
 Well, with that, since we don't have a second there,

1973
01:34:41,700 --> 01:34:44,620
 go ahead, Tina, with your information, please.

1974
01:34:44,620 --> 01:34:46,940
 - So I received correspondence from the staff

1975
01:34:46,940 --> 01:34:49,940
 that there is water, existing water to the north

1976
01:34:49,940 --> 01:34:52,540
 and then also sanitary sewer available to the south.

1977
01:34:52,540 --> 01:34:56,540
 - Commissioner Pruitt.

1978
01:34:56,540 --> 01:35:03,540
 - Okay.

1979
01:35:03,540 --> 01:35:10,780
 I'll move approval, but I have a few thoughts

1980
01:35:10,780 --> 01:35:12,660
 and thank you for that update, Tina.

1981
01:35:17,940 --> 01:35:21,900
 These types of applications are what happen

1982
01:35:21,900 --> 01:35:26,100
 when we do the whole baby bath water thing.

1983
01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:32,380
 I don't feel that this commission has a

1984
01:35:32,380 --> 01:35:40,940
 mandate to continue the segregation

1985
01:35:40,940 --> 01:35:45,340
 of economically separated housing in this city.

1986
01:35:46,940 --> 01:35:51,940
 I don't feel like extending development

1987
01:35:51,940 --> 01:35:57,540
 south of Hickory Creek is wise from a fiscal

1988
01:35:57,540 --> 01:36:00,300
 or growth perspective.

1989
01:36:00,300 --> 01:36:02,140
 Will it happen and come north to us?

1990
01:36:02,140 --> 01:36:02,980
 Yes.

1991
01:36:02,980 --> 01:36:12,900
 With that said, there are some benefits

1992
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:17,140
 to how this sausage is made

1993
01:36:17,140 --> 01:36:23,620
 and we'll just see what happens with four members.

1994
01:36:23,620 --> 01:36:26,180
 Thank you.

1995
01:36:26,180 --> 01:36:27,340
 - So your motion is to--

1996
01:36:27,340 --> 01:36:28,620
 - Sorry, I move approval.

1997
01:36:28,620 --> 01:36:33,460
 - I will second.

1998
01:36:33,460 --> 01:36:35,300
 So now we've got a first and a second

1999
01:36:35,300 --> 01:36:36,740
 for approval on the floor.

2000
01:36:36,740 --> 01:36:39,340
 Discussion, thoughts?

2001
01:36:41,980 --> 01:36:43,780
 Okay, let's go ahead and vote, please.

2002
01:36:43,780 --> 01:37:01,620
 Okay, that motion will pass 3-1.

2003
01:37:01,620 --> 01:37:04,380
 That will move it to city council.

2004
01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:09,380
 Angie, you told me December 3rd it will go to city council.

2005
01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:15,020
 That will take us then to our next public hearing,

2006
01:37:15,020 --> 01:37:19,660
 that is 5B PDA 240002.

2007
01:37:19,660 --> 01:37:21,460
 I will open the public hearing

2008
01:37:21,460 --> 01:37:25,500
 and Angie is here for presentation

2009
01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:27,540
 and we will give it just a couple of minutes

2010
01:37:27,540 --> 01:37:30,340
 for the room to clear.

2011
01:37:41,900 --> 01:37:44,900
 (people chattering)

2012
01:38:11,900 --> 01:38:14,900
 (people chattering)

2013
01:38:14,900 --> 01:38:33,300
 Okay.

2014
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:39,100
 (people chattering)

2015
01:38:41,940 --> 01:38:44,940
 (people chattering)

2016
01:38:44,940 --> 01:38:50,360
 - Amy, just there.

2017
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,420
 - Yes.

2018
01:38:53,420 --> 01:38:58,100
 (coughs)

2019
01:38:58,100 --> 01:39:01,100
 (people chattering)

2020
01:39:11,900 --> 01:39:14,900
 (people chattering)

2021
01:39:14,900 --> 01:39:17,300
 - That is a loud group.

2022
01:39:17,300 --> 01:39:31,660
 Yeah, I think you can go ahead and start with microphone,

2023
01:39:31,660 --> 01:39:33,780
 I'll drown that out a bit.

2024
01:39:33,780 --> 01:39:37,380
 - All right, chair, members of the commission,

2025
01:39:37,380 --> 01:39:39,500
 Angie Megler is development review manager,

2026
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:43,860
 here to present to you PDA 240002.

2027
01:39:43,860 --> 01:39:47,460
 This is elite hospitality, Pickleball and Restaurant.

2028
01:39:47,460 --> 01:39:51,860
 So a little bit about this request.

2029
01:39:51,860 --> 01:39:53,540
 This request is to amend

2030
01:39:53,540 --> 01:39:56,300
 an existing overlay plan development district

2031
01:39:56,300 --> 01:39:58,700
 with a base zoning of MN.

2032
01:39:58,700 --> 01:40:02,380
 This is approximately a 3.185 acre tract of land

2033
01:40:02,380 --> 01:40:04,380
 as currently undeveloped.

2034
01:40:04,380 --> 01:40:06,860
 It's located east of I-35 North

2035
01:40:06,860 --> 01:40:11,340
 and approximately 1,078 feet south of Windsor Drive.

2036
01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:15,500
 It has a future land use designation of low residential.

2037
01:40:15,500 --> 01:40:18,120
 Zoning in the vicinity is varied.

2038
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:21,100
 To the north is existing PDMN.

2039
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:26,100
 To the northeast east, southeast and south

2040
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:30,260
 is residential zoning, R6 and R3.

2041
01:40:30,260 --> 01:40:31,940
 To the west is I-35 North

2042
01:40:31,940 --> 01:40:34,940
 and further west of that is highway corridor zoning.

2043
01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:40,100
 So as stated, this is a request to amend

2044
01:40:40,100 --> 01:40:42,100
 an existing overlay plan development

2045
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:45,500
 and I'd like to spend a little bit time to talk about

2046
01:40:45,500 --> 01:40:48,900
 the current zoning on the property, which is PDMN.

2047
01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:52,260
 So back in 2020, there was a straight zoning case

2048
01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:54,900
 for this piece of property from R2

2049
01:40:54,900 --> 01:40:56,560
 to mixed use neighborhood.

2050
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,780
 At the time that this was considered,

2051
01:40:59,780 --> 01:41:01,700
 to address several neighboring concerns,

2052
01:41:01,700 --> 01:41:05,020
 the applicant proposed several conditions.

2053
01:41:05,020 --> 01:41:08,740
 And those conditions were attached to the adopting ordinance

2054
01:41:08,740 --> 01:41:11,980
 creating what we call today an overlay PD.

2055
01:41:11,980 --> 01:41:13,980
 Some of those conditions that were adopted

2056
01:41:13,980 --> 01:41:15,660
 at the time of the zoning ordinance

2057
01:41:15,660 --> 01:41:18,140
 were prohibiting several land uses

2058
01:41:18,140 --> 01:41:21,660
 that included hotels, motels, bars, taverns,

2059
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:23,820
 multifamily developments,

2060
01:41:23,820 --> 01:41:26,180
 establishing site design requirements,

2061
01:41:26,180 --> 01:41:30,180
 specifically requirements that restrict buildings

2062
01:41:30,180 --> 01:41:33,020
 adjacent to residential zoning

2063
01:41:33,020 --> 01:41:35,580
 to be medical and professional offices.

2064
01:41:35,580 --> 01:41:37,580
 And so we have residential zoning,

2065
01:41:37,580 --> 01:41:40,500
 as stated to the east and to the south,

2066
01:41:40,500 --> 01:41:43,820
 as well as some parking orientation requirements.

2067
01:41:43,820 --> 01:41:47,260
 The purpose of this amendment is really twofold.

2068
01:41:47,260 --> 01:41:51,100
 The PD overlay at the time did not adopt a concept plan,

2069
01:41:51,100 --> 01:41:53,500
 creating a bit of ambiguity

2070
01:41:53,500 --> 01:41:55,180
 and how to enforce some of these standards,

2071
01:41:55,180 --> 01:41:58,620
 specifically the adjacency requirements.

2072
01:41:58,620 --> 01:42:00,860
 The site plan that was shown at that PNZ meeting

2073
01:42:00,860 --> 01:42:03,180
 contemplated a garden-style development

2074
01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:05,540
 with approximately seven padstites.

2075
01:42:05,540 --> 01:42:07,700
 Those conditions are not necessarily conducive

2076
01:42:07,700 --> 01:42:10,940
 to a single building development on this lot.

2077
01:42:10,940 --> 01:42:14,780
 So it's to remove challenging and problematic language,

2078
01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:17,020
 as well as to incorporate additional language

2079
01:42:17,020 --> 01:42:18,860
 to address concerns as it relates

2080
01:42:18,860 --> 01:42:20,220
 to the development of this site

2081
01:42:20,220 --> 01:42:22,340
 as an indoor recreational facility.

2082
01:42:22,340 --> 01:42:25,620
 So that's a little bit of the history.

2083
01:42:25,620 --> 01:42:29,140
 This proposed plan development, overlay plan development,

2084
01:42:29,140 --> 01:42:31,500
 as stated, removes some of the language

2085
01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:33,260
 in the original adopting ordinance

2086
01:42:33,260 --> 01:42:35,900
 that limits uses adjacent

2087
01:42:35,900 --> 01:42:37,740
 to the eastern and southern boundary.

2088
01:42:37,740 --> 01:42:40,980
 It does retain all of the same prohibited land uses,

2089
01:42:40,980 --> 01:42:44,260
 as well as the restricted access from Colonial Drive.

2090
01:42:44,260 --> 01:42:45,700
 So access from Colonial Drive,

2091
01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:47,180
 which is just to the south of the site,

2092
01:42:47,180 --> 01:42:49,500
 remains as emergency only.

2093
01:42:49,500 --> 01:42:52,860
 And it does add several provisions

2094
01:42:52,860 --> 01:42:54,980
 to address neighboring concerns,

2095
01:42:54,980 --> 01:42:56,660
 including height restrictions,

2096
01:42:56,660 --> 01:42:59,420
 enhanced landscape buffering requirements,

2097
01:42:59,420 --> 01:43:01,740
 increased setback requirements,

2098
01:43:01,740 --> 01:43:04,140
 and building design specification standards

2099
01:43:04,140 --> 01:43:05,620
 specific to the development

2100
01:43:05,620 --> 01:43:07,660
 of an indoor recreational facility.

2101
01:43:07,660 --> 01:43:12,340
 This was reviewed against our general criteria for approval,

2102
01:43:12,340 --> 01:43:15,300
 as well as our criteria for approval for plan development.

2103
01:43:15,300 --> 01:43:17,300
 Staff does find that it is consistent

2104
01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:18,500
 with those criteria for approval

2105
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:20,100
 and is recommending approval.

2106
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:23,820
 As stated, the future land use for this site

2107
01:43:23,820 --> 01:43:24,900
 is low residential,

2108
01:43:24,900 --> 01:43:27,180
 which does predominantly envision lower density

2109
01:43:27,180 --> 01:43:29,380
 single-family residential neighborhoods,

2110
01:43:29,380 --> 01:43:33,980
 ranging from one acre lots up to five units per acre.

2111
01:43:33,980 --> 01:43:36,020
 Low residential future land use category

2112
01:43:36,020 --> 01:43:38,180
 also recognizes that land uses

2113
01:43:38,180 --> 01:43:39,740
 that support residential neighborhoods

2114
01:43:39,740 --> 01:43:42,820
 may also be appropriate in this area.

2115
01:43:42,820 --> 01:43:44,780
 While the proposed development is not consistent

2116
01:43:44,780 --> 01:43:46,220
 with the intent that this developed

2117
01:43:46,220 --> 01:43:48,380
 predominantly as low density residential,

2118
01:43:48,380 --> 01:43:50,300
 it is consistent with the idea

2119
01:43:50,300 --> 01:43:53,180
 that supporting land uses in residential areas

2120
01:43:53,180 --> 01:43:56,700
 may be appropriate within the low residential category.

2121
01:43:56,700 --> 01:43:59,660
 Furthermore, given the site's proximity to I-35

2122
01:43:59,660 --> 01:44:02,420
 and specifically its access on I-35 frontage roads,

2123
01:44:02,420 --> 01:44:04,620
 it's unlikely that this site does develop

2124
01:44:04,620 --> 01:44:06,460
 as low density residential,

2125
01:44:06,460 --> 01:44:08,580
 and the PDM and zoning that exists today

2126
01:44:08,580 --> 01:44:11,380
 is appropriate for this site's location.

2127
01:44:11,380 --> 01:44:13,740
 It's also consistent with the fiscal

2128
01:44:13,740 --> 01:44:15,060
 and economic vitality goal

2129
01:44:15,060 --> 01:44:18,340
 to increase Denton's tourist and economic potential.

2130
01:44:18,340 --> 01:44:19,780
 The intent is to develop this

2131
01:44:19,780 --> 01:44:22,060
 as an indoor pickleball facility.

2132
01:44:22,060 --> 01:44:25,460
 Pickleball is a growing sport, increasing in popularity,

2133
01:44:25,460 --> 01:44:28,060
 with its strategic location along I-35,

2134
01:44:28,060 --> 01:44:30,940
 just north of the razor range overlay developments.

2135
01:44:30,940 --> 01:44:34,540
 This does further our goals towards increasing

2136
01:44:34,540 --> 01:44:36,340
 some of that tourism to Denton.

2137
01:44:36,340 --> 01:44:41,900
 There are several design standards that are incorporated

2138
01:44:41,900 --> 01:44:46,000
 to address any compatibility issues as well as concerns.

2139
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,300
 One of those is limiting the maximum building height

2140
01:44:49,300 --> 01:44:53,420
 to 36 feet, by right, buildings in MN zoning districts

2141
01:44:53,420 --> 01:44:58,420
 could be up to 41 feet, 65 feet is allowed with an SUP,

2142
01:44:58,420 --> 01:45:01,880
 so this would limit that height to 36 feet.

2143
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:06,660
 The proposed development does propose

2144
01:45:06,660 --> 01:45:08,580
 a 15-foot wide landscape buffer

2145
01:45:08,580 --> 01:45:10,480
 along the southern and northern property lines

2146
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:14,060
 were adjacent to single-family residential uses,

2147
01:45:14,060 --> 01:45:17,860
 so that would be this corner up here were adjacent to R6

2148
01:45:17,860 --> 01:45:20,260
 as well as this southern property line,

2149
01:45:20,260 --> 01:45:21,980
 and a 20-foot wide landscape buffer

2150
01:45:21,980 --> 01:45:24,020
 along the eastern property line.

2151
01:45:24,020 --> 01:45:26,140
 This landscape buffer shall include 30 points

2152
01:45:26,140 --> 01:45:28,840
 from the DDC's Table 7 Point G.

2153
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,920
 The proposed development plan also incorporates

2154
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,420
 a 35-foot rear yard setback,

2155
01:45:34,420 --> 01:45:37,060
 and then incorporates some specific design standards

2156
01:45:37,060 --> 01:45:40,340
 should this develop as an indoor recreation facility,

2157
01:45:40,340 --> 01:45:42,740
 and that includes a butterfly roof element,

2158
01:45:42,740 --> 01:45:47,220
 which you can see in this concept drawing here,

2159
01:45:47,220 --> 01:45:49,460
 kind of the V-shaped roof line,

2160
01:45:49,460 --> 01:45:52,580
 as well as some specific architectural variation

2161
01:45:52,580 --> 01:45:56,180
 requirements, including that no more than 30 linear feet

2162
01:45:56,180 --> 01:45:58,300
 without having a horizontal or vertical break

2163
01:45:58,300 --> 01:45:59,260
 along that facade.

2164
01:45:59,260 --> 01:46:03,500
 Public outreach was conducted in accordance

2165
01:46:03,500 --> 01:46:06,700
 with both state law and the DDC.

2166
01:46:06,700 --> 01:46:08,740
 Mailed notices were sent out to property owners

2167
01:46:08,740 --> 01:46:11,620
 within 200 feet, as well as the courtesy notice

2168
01:46:11,620 --> 01:46:13,580
 within 500 feet.

2169
01:46:13,580 --> 01:46:16,300
 We did receive one response that is within 200 feet

2170
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:18,700
 via an email that was forwarded to you all.

2171
01:46:18,700 --> 01:46:22,100
 The applicant has held six neighborhood meetings.

2172
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:24,660
 I'll let them speak to their specific engagements

2173
01:46:24,660 --> 01:46:25,780
 on this property.

2174
01:46:25,780 --> 01:46:29,540
 Staff is recommending approval, as it is consistent

2175
01:46:29,540 --> 01:46:31,220
 with our general criteria for approval,

2176
01:46:31,220 --> 01:46:32,880
 as well as that for PDs.

2177
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:37,220
 The next step would be city council on December 3rd.

2178
01:46:37,220 --> 01:46:39,420
 I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have.

2179
01:46:39,420 --> 01:46:40,820
 As I said, the applicant is here.

2180
01:46:40,820 --> 01:46:42,220
 I believe they have a short presentation,

2181
01:46:42,220 --> 01:46:44,660
 and they could also answer any questions.

2182
01:46:44,660 --> 01:46:46,060
 - Great, thank you, Angie.

2183
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:47,700
 Any questions right now for Angie?

2184
01:46:47,700 --> 01:46:50,340
 Okay, thank you.

2185
01:46:50,340 --> 01:46:52,260
 I do have the applicant's card right here,

2186
01:46:52,260 --> 01:46:54,820
 so I'll go ahead and invite Amy Bissett up

2187
01:46:54,820 --> 01:46:57,780
 for her presentation. - Good evening, commissioners.

2188
01:46:57,780 --> 01:47:02,780
 Amy Bissett, 97 Lynn, 109 North Elm, Denton 76201.

2189
01:47:02,780 --> 01:47:05,700
 I'm gonna pull up my slides real quick.

2190
01:47:05,700 --> 01:47:07,980
 Hopefully, there we go.

2191
01:47:07,980 --> 01:47:13,720
 I did watch the work session discussion this evening,

2192
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,660
 so I do wanna start by doing my best to answer

2193
01:47:16,660 --> 01:47:19,420
 the one question that came up during work session.

2194
01:47:19,420 --> 01:47:23,420
 Chair Ellis, you asked about operating hours specifically.

2195
01:47:23,420 --> 01:47:26,220
 We have had multiple conversations with our client

2196
01:47:26,220 --> 01:47:27,760
 about operating hours.

2197
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,620
 This is their first facility like this,

2198
01:47:29,620 --> 01:47:32,460
 so they don't have a solid answer for that.

2199
01:47:32,460 --> 01:47:34,500
 They do not have set operating hours yet.

2200
01:47:34,500 --> 01:47:37,940
 However, what you can expect is that it would operate

2201
01:47:37,940 --> 01:47:41,300
 in the morning hours like a gym, so opening early,

2202
01:47:41,300 --> 01:47:44,780
 and operate into the evening hours like a restaurant,

2203
01:47:44,780 --> 01:47:48,300
 so would be open later on Friday and Saturday nights,

2204
01:47:48,300 --> 01:47:51,340
 but typically closing around the time that restaurants

2205
01:47:51,340 --> 01:47:54,100
 would close on weekdays and weekends.

2206
01:47:54,100 --> 01:47:56,380
 That's what we know so far about that.

2207
01:47:56,380 --> 01:48:00,340
 You already know the location,

2208
01:48:00,340 --> 01:48:01,700
 so I'm gonna skip over that.

2209
01:48:01,700 --> 01:48:04,020
 I do wanna talk a little bit about the zoning

2210
01:48:04,020 --> 01:48:06,140
 that was done in 2020.

2211
01:48:06,140 --> 01:48:08,460
 We have met with the neighbors six times,

2212
01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:11,180
 and I've had multiple one-on-one conversations

2213
01:48:11,180 --> 01:48:14,720
 with neighbors as well, and one of the first things we did

2214
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:18,100
 with our first neighborhood meeting was acknowledge

2215
01:48:18,100 --> 01:48:21,420
 the fact that there had been considerable concessions

2216
01:48:21,420 --> 01:48:25,580
 made in 2020 with the PD overlay that was approved back then,

2217
01:48:25,580 --> 01:48:30,580
 and set out our goal to comply with as many of those

2218
01:48:30,580 --> 01:48:34,500
 conditions as possible, or to come up with alternative

2219
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:38,380
 conditions that best address the neighborhood concerns.

2220
01:48:39,980 --> 01:48:43,420
 This was the concept plan that was presented back in 2020,

2221
01:48:43,420 --> 01:48:45,260
 and I do wanna go over it just a little bit

2222
01:48:45,260 --> 01:48:48,820
 so that we can talk about how our initial concept plan

2223
01:48:48,820 --> 01:48:51,300
 attempted to comply with this.

2224
01:48:51,300 --> 01:48:53,340
 As Angie said, there were seven buildings.

2225
01:48:53,340 --> 01:48:57,020
 They were ranging in size, and the ones closest

2226
01:48:57,020 --> 01:48:59,940
 to the eastern property line and the southern property line

2227
01:48:59,940 --> 01:49:02,020
 were restricted to be single story,

2228
01:49:02,020 --> 01:49:06,260
 and then this connection to Colonial Drive

2229
01:49:06,260 --> 01:49:09,660
 was restricted to be emergency access only.

2230
01:49:09,660 --> 01:49:12,900
 Additionally, there was use restrictions

2231
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:16,660
 that the buildings closest to the residential neighbors

2232
01:49:16,660 --> 01:49:19,260
 would be restricted to professional and medical offices,

2233
01:49:19,260 --> 01:49:22,500
 clinics, or residential uses, and that the parking

2234
01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:25,420
 on the east shall be located between the buildings

2235
01:49:25,420 --> 01:49:27,540
 and the east property line to provide a buffer

2236
01:49:27,540 --> 01:49:29,140
 to the residential.

2237
01:49:29,140 --> 01:49:32,380
 Our client who owns this property today purchased it

2238
01:49:32,380 --> 01:49:36,620
 after this PD was approved, and while their proposed land

2239
01:49:36,620 --> 01:49:40,380
 uses are permitted under this PD as it exists today,

2240
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:41,900
 the way these restrictions are written

2241
01:49:41,900 --> 01:49:45,220
 make it infeasible to develop currently.

2242
01:49:45,220 --> 01:49:49,540
 So the prohibited land uses that were there,

2243
01:49:49,540 --> 01:49:51,700
 that were adopted in 2020, we are proposing

2244
01:49:51,700 --> 01:49:54,220
 the same prohibited land uses today.

2245
01:49:54,220 --> 01:49:56,380
 I do wanna point out that what is permitted

2246
01:49:56,380 --> 01:49:59,540
 under the current zoning is an indoor recreational facility,

2247
01:49:59,540 --> 01:50:01,820
 including concessions and including a restaurant,

2248
01:50:01,820 --> 01:50:03,820
 which is what we're proposing today,

2249
01:50:03,820 --> 01:50:08,020
 so we're not proposing a change to the allowable land uses.

2250
01:50:08,020 --> 01:50:11,340
 An indoor pickleball facility is what's being proposed,

2251
01:50:11,340 --> 01:50:14,060
 and you can see this was our initial concept plan,

2252
01:50:14,060 --> 01:50:16,980
 and just to kind of toggle back and forth

2253
01:50:16,980 --> 01:50:19,380
 between the former concept plan and this one,

2254
01:50:19,380 --> 01:50:21,300
 we tried to comply as much as we could,

2255
01:50:21,300 --> 01:50:23,660
 including putting the parking between

2256
01:50:23,660 --> 01:50:26,220
 the eastern property line and the buildings,

2257
01:50:26,220 --> 01:50:28,340
 and trying to configure the site in a way

2258
01:50:28,340 --> 01:50:30,740
 that was as consistent as possible.

2259
01:50:32,380 --> 01:50:35,340
 We did hold a total of six neighborhood meetings.

2260
01:50:35,340 --> 01:50:37,180
 We had two in March, where we presented

2261
01:50:37,180 --> 01:50:39,580
 that initial concept plan that you just saw.

2262
01:50:39,580 --> 01:50:41,460
 We received quite a bit of feedback from that,

2263
01:50:41,460 --> 01:50:44,060
 which I'm gonna go through with you in a moment.

2264
01:50:44,060 --> 01:50:45,300
 We went back to the drawing board,

2265
01:50:45,300 --> 01:50:47,860
 came back in June with a new concept plan,

2266
01:50:47,860 --> 01:50:51,100
 which is generally consistent with what you see tonight,

2267
01:50:51,100 --> 01:50:53,940
 and after we went through city staff review,

2268
01:50:53,940 --> 01:50:56,500
 which started in June, we went back

2269
01:50:56,500 --> 01:50:58,460
 with two more meetings in September

2270
01:50:58,460 --> 01:51:00,420
 to just confirm the details and go over

2271
01:51:00,420 --> 01:51:02,940
 all the specifics with the neighbors.

2272
01:51:02,940 --> 01:51:05,220
 Of those six meetings, we had about five to 10,

2273
01:51:05,220 --> 01:51:06,700
 on average, per meeting.

2274
01:51:06,700 --> 01:51:10,420
 So our initial meetings in March,

2275
01:51:10,420 --> 01:51:13,380
 the concerns that we heard from the neighbors included,

2276
01:51:13,380 --> 01:51:17,620
 our dumpster location was near the residential property line,

2277
01:51:17,620 --> 01:51:20,180
 and they were concerned about food waste

2278
01:51:20,180 --> 01:51:25,180
 and associated pests that might be attracted.

2279
01:51:25,180 --> 01:51:26,740
 And the location of parking,

2280
01:51:26,740 --> 01:51:28,340
 while they had preferred the parking

2281
01:51:28,340 --> 01:51:31,220
 to be between the buildings and the property line,

2282
01:51:31,220 --> 01:51:36,220
 in 2020, the preference of the neighbors as a whole

2283
01:51:36,220 --> 01:51:40,200
 in our engagement was that they did not want the parking

2284
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:43,640
 to be between the building and the property line.

2285
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:46,100
 They were concerned, we had in this initial concept,

2286
01:51:46,100 --> 01:51:47,660
 some outdoor pickleball courts.

2287
01:51:47,660 --> 01:51:49,540
 They were concerned about noise pollution,

2288
01:51:49,540 --> 01:51:53,820
 and specifically the noise of those outdoor courts,

2289
01:51:53,820 --> 01:51:55,900
 which you'll see in our new concept plan.

2290
01:51:55,900 --> 01:51:58,100
 We have removed those, and everything is indoors,

2291
01:51:58,100 --> 01:52:01,400
 other than just a courtyard that's nestled

2292
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:05,740
 between buildings that proposes no sports use.

2293
01:52:05,740 --> 01:52:07,260
 They were concerned about the possibility

2294
01:52:07,260 --> 01:52:10,100
 of people coming into the neighborhood through,

2295
01:52:10,100 --> 01:52:12,060
 there's an existing sidewalk easement

2296
01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:15,300
 that comes across the north end of the property line here.

2297
01:52:15,300 --> 01:52:17,380
 They didn't want people coming from the development

2298
01:52:17,380 --> 01:52:21,900
 into their neighborhood by utilizing that sidewalk easement.

2299
01:52:21,900 --> 01:52:25,940
 They were concerned about serving food and alcohol.

2300
01:52:27,500 --> 01:52:29,380
 That is one of the two concerns

2301
01:52:29,380 --> 01:52:32,140
 that we have not addressed of theirs.

2302
01:52:32,140 --> 01:52:35,300
 However, food and alcohol in a restaurant

2303
01:52:35,300 --> 01:52:38,540
 would be permitted under the zoning as it is today,

2304
01:52:38,540 --> 01:52:41,740
 and that's an integral part of their business plan.

2305
01:52:41,740 --> 01:52:46,100
 So it is proposed as a part of this development.

2306
01:52:46,100 --> 01:52:50,380
 It would be a restaurant that is interior to the facility.

2307
01:52:50,380 --> 01:52:55,060
 And then secondly, the neighbors to the northeast of us

2308
01:52:55,060 --> 01:52:59,100
 have significant drainage issues that exist today.

2309
01:52:59,100 --> 01:53:03,900
 They experience flooding on their property today.

2310
01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:06,980
 We've seen videos of it, we've seen photos of it,

2311
01:53:06,980 --> 01:53:10,260
 and they have drainage concerns that are valid,

2312
01:53:10,260 --> 01:53:13,380
 that occurred when the development to the north

2313
01:53:13,380 --> 01:53:15,240
 went in several years ago.

2314
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:19,860
 You all know that the best we can do to address that

2315
01:53:19,860 --> 01:53:22,860
 is to comply with the drainage criteria that exists today,

2316
01:53:22,860 --> 01:53:25,500
 which would prevent us from creating

2317
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:27,920
 more of an adverse effect on their property.

2318
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,860
 So this is kind of our site plan today.

2319
01:53:30,860 --> 01:53:32,180
 I'm gonna zoom in on it in a minute

2320
01:53:32,180 --> 01:53:33,940
 and just point out a few features.

2321
01:53:33,940 --> 01:53:36,940
 But we did relocate the dumpster to the front

2322
01:53:36,940 --> 01:53:38,600
 of the property to get it as far away

2323
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:41,580
 from the residential uses as possible.

2324
01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:44,660
 We relocated the parking, we moved it to the north end

2325
01:53:44,660 --> 01:53:49,340
 of the lot and pushed the building to the south end.

2326
01:53:49,340 --> 01:53:52,460
 We removed the outdoor pickleball courts,

2327
01:53:52,460 --> 01:53:54,180
 this little area in the middle here

2328
01:53:54,180 --> 01:53:55,700
 is the only thing that's outdoors

2329
01:53:55,700 --> 01:53:58,780
 and I'll show you a rendering of it here in a minute.

2330
01:53:58,780 --> 01:54:02,380
 And we're proposing fencing to prevent

2331
01:54:02,380 --> 01:54:05,680
 the pedestrian connectivity between the development

2332
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:07,860
 and the existing neighborhood.

2333
01:54:07,860 --> 01:54:09,900
 As I pointed out already, what we did not change

2334
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:12,540
 is serving food and alcohol indoors,

2335
01:54:12,540 --> 01:54:15,100
 which is permitted under the current zoning today.

2336
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:20,420
 Angie went through all of the conditions

2337
01:54:20,420 --> 01:54:21,300
 that we're proposing.

2338
01:54:21,300 --> 01:54:24,580
 I won't reread those for you all,

2339
01:54:24,580 --> 01:54:26,940
 but I do wanna just zoom in on the site plan

2340
01:54:26,940 --> 01:54:28,980
 for a minute and point out a couple of things.

2341
01:54:28,980 --> 01:54:31,260
 So in this particular version of the site plan,

2342
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:33,980
 north is to your right.

2343
01:54:33,980 --> 01:54:37,820
 And you can see here the dumpster location

2344
01:54:37,820 --> 01:54:39,220
 and how that's been positioned away

2345
01:54:39,220 --> 01:54:42,620
 from the single family residential.

2346
01:54:42,620 --> 01:54:45,820
 We are proposing an eight foot masonry wall here

2347
01:54:45,820 --> 01:54:48,260
 and then on the south end as well.

2348
01:54:48,260 --> 01:54:51,500
 Colonial drive will be emergency access only

2349
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:54,800
 and then the way that the ordinance is written,

2350
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,540
 we would be required to put a eight foot fence

2351
01:54:57,540 --> 01:55:00,260
 or masonry wall where none exists today

2352
01:55:00,260 --> 01:55:02,000
 on the eastern property line.

2353
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,500
 The reason that we wrote it in that way

2354
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:06,540
 is because if there's an existing fence

2355
01:55:06,540 --> 01:55:08,900
 that is near existing trees,

2356
01:55:08,900 --> 01:55:13,120
 we don't want the neighbors to have to lose existing trees

2357
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:15,220
 in order to get a fence put in there.

2358
01:55:15,220 --> 01:55:17,580
 So that was kind of the overall preference

2359
01:55:17,580 --> 01:55:20,620
 of the neighbors that we had the flexibility.

2360
01:55:20,620 --> 01:55:23,340
 We had to provide a screening wall if they didn't have one,

2361
01:55:23,340 --> 01:55:25,780
 but we had the flexibility to determine what it was

2362
01:55:25,780 --> 01:55:28,720
 based on tree preservation and personal preference.

2363
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:31,820
 Here's a couple of renderings.

2364
01:55:31,820 --> 01:55:33,140
 This is the entrance.

2365
01:55:33,140 --> 01:55:37,020
 This is facing south, the main entrance into the facility.

2366
01:55:37,020 --> 01:55:39,740
 Here's one looking up from an aerial

2367
01:55:39,740 --> 01:55:42,000
 where you can see the indoor courtyard.

2368
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,540
 I'm sorry, the outdoor courtyard.

2369
01:55:44,540 --> 01:55:47,340
 Here's a view of the courtyard itself

2370
01:55:47,340 --> 01:55:52,220
 and here's a rendering of the west elevation.

2371
01:55:52,220 --> 01:55:54,340
 And that is all I have.

2372
01:55:54,340 --> 01:55:57,660
 I do have, the property owner is here

2373
01:55:57,660 --> 01:55:59,060
 if you have any specific questions

2374
01:55:59,060 --> 01:56:00,380
 that you would like to ask them,

2375
01:56:00,380 --> 01:56:03,460
 but I'd be happy to answer any questions as well.

2376
01:56:03,460 --> 01:56:04,300
 Thank you.

2377
01:56:04,300 --> 01:56:05,780
 And I know we have several neighbors here

2378
01:56:05,780 --> 01:56:07,500
 and some of them may wanna speak, so.

2379
01:56:07,500 --> 01:56:08,340
 - Yeah, do have some cards.

2380
01:56:08,340 --> 01:56:09,180
 Thank you, Amy.

2381
01:56:09,180 --> 01:56:11,000
 I think we do have a question for you, Commissioner Peruette.

2382
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:11,840
 - Thank you, Chair.

2383
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:12,920
 Just a couple quick ones.

2384
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:16,880
 We've had this overlay PD process now

2385
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,300
 for maybe a year and a half, I think.

2386
01:56:19,300 --> 01:56:23,780
 What has been your experience going through this

2387
01:56:23,780 --> 01:56:26,060
 as far as the difficulty of this tool

2388
01:56:26,060 --> 01:56:27,820
 versus the full PD tool?

2389
01:56:27,820 --> 01:56:28,980
 And I know this is a little different

2390
01:56:28,980 --> 01:56:30,300
 'cause it was a PD before,

2391
01:56:30,300 --> 01:56:33,620
 but if you can offer some experience there, I'd help.

2392
01:56:33,620 --> 01:56:36,860
 - I have the benefit of having had the opportunity

2393
01:56:36,860 --> 01:56:41,860
 to do overlay zoning prior to the 2019 code being implemented

2394
01:56:41,860 --> 01:56:44,700
 and so I've experienced both

2395
01:56:44,700 --> 01:56:49,300
 and what I like about the overlay PD

2396
01:56:49,300 --> 01:56:51,780
 is that it is a simpler tool

2397
01:56:51,780 --> 01:56:53,660
 to be able to write in some conditions

2398
01:56:53,660 --> 01:56:56,260
 that help to address neighborhood concerns

2399
01:56:56,260 --> 01:57:00,860
 without having to spend $250,000 on full sets of plans

2400
01:57:00,860 --> 01:57:04,860
 to get a PD approved and we'll call it 100,000.

2401
01:57:04,860 --> 01:57:06,780
 It just kind of depends on the complexity of it,

2402
01:57:06,780 --> 01:57:09,580
 but it's a more straightforward tool

2403
01:57:09,580 --> 01:57:13,300
 that allows us to get what we need to get accomplished

2404
01:57:13,300 --> 01:57:16,280
 with a neighborhood when the concerns can be addressed

2405
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:17,540
 in a text overlay.

2406
01:57:17,540 --> 01:57:21,180
 - Okay, and then I guess in the discussion

2407
01:57:21,180 --> 01:57:23,980
 with the neighbors to the east,

2408
01:57:23,980 --> 01:57:31,980
 I'm imagining this is only 250 feet away

2409
01:57:31,980 --> 01:57:34,380
 from the 35 right of way

2410
01:57:34,380 --> 01:57:36,860
 as far as the back property line, approximately,

2411
01:57:36,860 --> 01:57:42,220
 that by far from a noise concern perspective,

2412
01:57:42,220 --> 01:57:45,820
 it's primarily road noise from 35, is that accurate?

2413
01:57:45,820 --> 01:57:47,380
 - It is and we've talked about

2414
01:57:47,380 --> 01:57:49,500
 how the construction of the building itself

2415
01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:52,220
 will block some of that road noise.

2416
01:57:52,220 --> 01:57:58,100
 I think that the noise pollution concerns come from,

2417
01:57:58,100 --> 01:58:00,380
 if the restaurant's open until 10 p.m.

2418
01:58:00,380 --> 01:58:02,200
 or the facility is and people are leaving

2419
01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:07,020
 and joking and being loud or there were some concerns

2420
01:58:07,020 --> 01:58:09,340
 about whether or not you'd be able to hear pickleball

2421
01:58:09,340 --> 01:58:11,060
 from inside the facility,

2422
01:58:11,060 --> 01:58:12,820
 but we've addressed that with our architect

2423
01:58:12,820 --> 01:58:17,820
 to be sure that the wall panels are insulated

2424
01:58:17,820 --> 01:58:20,260
 and would prevent that sort of noise travel.

2425
01:58:20,260 --> 01:58:21,260
 - Okay, thank you.

2426
01:58:21,260 --> 01:58:25,660
 - Anything else for Amy?

2427
01:58:25,660 --> 01:58:26,820
 - May I share one more quick thing

2428
01:58:26,820 --> 01:58:28,180
 that I forgot to share? - Of course.

2429
01:58:28,180 --> 01:58:31,900
 - We have offered, if we make it through this PD process

2430
01:58:31,900 --> 01:58:34,220
 and move into full civil design

2431
01:58:34,220 --> 01:58:37,700
 to do a site visit with our civil engineer

2432
01:58:37,700 --> 01:58:39,580
 to kind of look at some of the drainage issues

2433
01:58:39,580 --> 01:58:43,060
 and see what we can do to help actually address them.

2434
01:58:43,060 --> 01:58:45,380
 We certainly don't wanna make 'em worse,

2435
01:58:45,380 --> 01:58:47,540
 but we'd like to try to make 'em better.

2436
01:58:47,540 --> 01:58:49,220
 - Great, thank you. - Thank you.

2437
01:58:49,220 --> 01:58:52,820
 - Okay, I do have some cards in front of me.

2438
01:58:52,820 --> 01:58:54,300
 Rose Scott.

2439
01:58:54,300 --> 01:59:01,140
 Hi there, if you'll state your name, your time.

2440
01:59:01,140 --> 01:59:03,180
 We'll begin and if you could speak into the microphone,

2441
01:59:03,180 --> 01:59:04,020
 that would be great.

2442
01:59:04,020 --> 01:59:06,180
 - My name is Rose Scott.

2443
01:59:06,180 --> 01:59:09,620
 I appreciate the opportunity to speak to y'all this evening.

2444
01:59:09,620 --> 01:59:12,780
 And I understand if I put a picture over here,

2445
01:59:12,780 --> 01:59:15,460
 it can be-- - That's true.

2446
01:59:15,460 --> 01:59:16,300
 We just gotta-- - Magically.

2447
01:59:16,300 --> 01:59:18,180
 - We gotta get the eye in the sky going,

2448
01:59:18,180 --> 01:59:22,500
 which our magical people in the back will do.

2449
01:59:22,500 --> 01:59:23,700
 There you go.

2450
01:59:23,700 --> 01:59:25,180
 - This is what we're talking about

2451
01:59:25,180 --> 01:59:26,780
 when we say a water problem.

2452
01:59:26,780 --> 01:59:30,180
 Brought to us by the city of Denton,

2453
01:59:30,180 --> 01:59:33,700
 which allowed the development of Windsor Farms.

2454
01:59:33,700 --> 01:59:38,700
 And we have been fighting this for 17 years now.

2455
01:59:38,700 --> 01:59:42,780
 And this was taken in May.

2456
01:59:42,780 --> 01:59:46,420
 And you can't tell, see this?

2457
01:59:46,420 --> 01:59:49,180
 - Oh, if you could use the microphone, please, I'm sorry.

2458
01:59:49,180 --> 01:59:52,460
 - Okay, I'm gonna put this right here and see what it does.

2459
01:59:52,460 --> 01:59:56,700
 This is the edge of our porch, right here.

2460
01:59:56,700 --> 01:59:58,860
 Here's the pole, here's the light.

2461
01:59:58,860 --> 02:00:00,780
 This is the lapping water.

2462
02:00:01,820 --> 02:00:05,540
 And I have spared you a picture of our garage,

2463
02:00:05,540 --> 02:00:07,340
 which also gets water.

2464
02:00:07,340 --> 02:00:09,180
 One more.

2465
02:00:09,180 --> 02:00:12,180
 Our backyard.

2466
02:00:12,180 --> 02:00:21,660
 I think you can see clearly what we're talking about

2467
02:00:21,660 --> 02:00:26,460
 when we say we have huge concerns about the water,

2468
02:00:26,460 --> 02:00:31,060
 the drainage, when we know that there's going to be

2469
02:00:31,060 --> 02:00:35,980
 a development of 3.185 acres

2470
02:00:35,980 --> 02:00:41,900
 that's covered in building and in hard surface,

2471
02:00:41,900 --> 02:00:46,940
 impervious to drainage, except for runoff.

2472
02:00:46,940 --> 02:00:49,940
 And the last thing we are interested in

2473
02:00:49,940 --> 02:00:53,740
 is more that runs off either into our yard

2474
02:00:53,740 --> 02:00:55,940
 or the Williams yard or anybody else

2475
02:00:55,940 --> 02:00:57,980
 who abuts this property.

2476
02:01:00,500 --> 02:01:05,500
 I will point out too that 3.185 acres

2477
02:01:05,500 --> 02:01:11,820
 actually equals 138,956.4 square feet,

2478
02:01:11,820 --> 02:01:20,340
 which will be incapable of absorbing water.

2479
02:01:20,340 --> 02:01:23,620
 So where does the runoff go?

2480
02:01:23,620 --> 02:01:26,340
 Well, there was some sort of, well,

2481
02:01:26,340 --> 02:01:30,620
 maybe we could do a pond or something.

2482
02:01:30,620 --> 02:01:38,820
 We have heard solutions before, and they didn't work.

2483
02:01:38,820 --> 02:01:43,460
 So this is our massive concern.

2484
02:01:43,460 --> 02:01:48,380
 Of course, we're also concerned about the parking behind us,

2485
02:01:48,380 --> 02:01:53,380
 about headlights and cars doors slamming as people leave

2486
02:01:53,380 --> 02:01:57,380
 having been in a restaurant and a pickle ball or the noise,

2487
02:01:57,380 --> 02:02:01,580
 the garbage that'll attract rats about the overall privacy.

2488
02:02:01,580 --> 02:02:05,660
 Yeah, we're concerned about those things too.

2489
02:02:05,660 --> 02:02:06,500
 We surely are.

2490
02:02:06,500 --> 02:02:11,340
 And I will say that Amy, thank you,

2491
02:02:11,340 --> 02:02:14,900
 has been a very gracious facilitator to this business.

2492
02:02:14,900 --> 02:02:18,260
 We appreciate the way that's been handled,

2493
02:02:18,260 --> 02:02:20,860
 but we still have grave concerns.

2494
02:02:20,860 --> 02:02:25,860
 I said in mine that I was conditionally approving.

2495
02:02:25,860 --> 02:02:29,620
 Basically, I hate the thought of this.

2496
02:02:29,620 --> 02:02:33,900
 I also realize that development is inevitable.

2497
02:02:33,900 --> 02:02:38,820
 And if it must occur, that surely it can occur in a way

2498
02:02:38,820 --> 02:02:43,820
 that doesn't cost the existing neighbors thousands of dollars

2499
02:02:46,940 --> 02:02:51,740
 to fix the screw up that by no fault of our own

2500
02:02:51,740 --> 02:02:54,420
 was brought literally to our own homes.

2501
02:02:54,420 --> 02:02:57,300
 And I thank you for listening.

2502
02:02:57,300 --> 02:02:59,300
 - Thank you very much, Ms. Scott.

2503
02:02:59,300 --> 02:03:03,180
 The next card I have is John Scott.

2504
02:03:03,180 --> 02:03:09,620
 If you'll state your name, your time will begin.

2505
02:03:09,620 --> 02:03:11,100
 - My name is John Scott.

2506
02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:15,100
 And yes, I am related to the previous speaker.

2507
02:03:17,860 --> 02:03:20,140
 We lived in that neighborhood.

2508
02:03:20,140 --> 02:03:23,740
 We were the first people to live in that house.

2509
02:03:23,740 --> 02:03:26,620
 The coyotes ran the field and all that kind of stuff.

2510
02:03:26,620 --> 02:03:31,220
 And when the development came north of us,

2511
02:03:31,220 --> 02:03:33,460
 this is background, this is very important.

2512
02:03:33,460 --> 02:03:35,580
 When the development came to the north of us,

2513
02:03:35,580 --> 02:03:40,300
 I was concerned about water issues.

2514
02:03:40,300 --> 02:03:44,780
 They have raised the level of the earth up there nine feet.

2515
02:03:46,580 --> 02:03:49,060
 We were assured everything was going to be fine.

2516
02:03:49,060 --> 02:03:55,580
 In front of me, an email that was sent to me

2517
02:03:55,580 --> 02:04:00,580
 on June the 28th, 2007, assuring me

2518
02:04:00,580 --> 02:04:04,260
 that they would take care of the development issues

2519
02:04:04,260 --> 02:04:06,940
 by kind of building a swale to the north of us

2520
02:04:06,940 --> 02:04:09,140
 to keep things off our property.

2521
02:04:09,140 --> 02:04:11,620
 That swale, which is completely inadequate,

2522
02:04:11,620 --> 02:04:14,620
 was completed in 2022.

2523
02:04:16,900 --> 02:04:18,380
 So we've been living with this problem.

2524
02:04:18,380 --> 02:04:20,420
 I went to the builders who were building

2525
02:04:20,420 --> 02:04:21,300
 the property up there.

2526
02:04:21,300 --> 02:04:23,660
 I said, we got problems with drainage.

2527
02:04:23,660 --> 02:04:27,220
 His solution was, basically, we've been allowed

2528
02:04:27,220 --> 02:04:30,620
 to build this development up here, go away,

2529
02:04:30,620 --> 02:04:34,380
 but I'll concede by putting downspouts

2530
02:04:34,380 --> 02:04:36,740
 on two of the houses up there,

2531
02:04:36,740 --> 02:04:38,180
 which did absolutely no good.

2532
02:04:38,180 --> 02:04:42,980
 This is only going to get worse and worse and worse.

2533
02:04:42,980 --> 02:04:47,580
 As Rose said, we have just spent thousands of dollars

2534
02:04:47,580 --> 02:04:49,940
 on some drainage fixes in the backyard.

2535
02:04:49,940 --> 02:04:52,100
 That seems to be an improvement.

2536
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:54,980
 But what's going to happen is behind us,

2537
02:04:54,980 --> 02:04:57,620
 all of those trees are gonna go away,

2538
02:04:57,620 --> 02:04:59,140
 no matter what they tell you.

2539
02:04:59,140 --> 02:05:00,500
 They will go away.

2540
02:05:00,500 --> 02:05:04,380
 They're just junk trees under the power lines.

2541
02:05:04,380 --> 02:05:06,780
 And water's going to flow freely.

2542
02:05:06,780 --> 02:05:09,460
 And our house, and of course Greg,

2543
02:05:11,100 --> 02:05:13,620
 they've had water in their living room.

2544
02:05:13,620 --> 02:05:17,020
 We've only had it in our bedroom one time.

2545
02:05:17,020 --> 02:05:19,380
 We've had it in our garage.

2546
02:05:19,380 --> 02:05:22,020
 What she showed you, the photos of our back porch

2547
02:05:22,020 --> 02:05:23,300
 is very typical.

2548
02:05:23,300 --> 02:05:25,540
 The backyard floods constantly.

2549
02:05:25,540 --> 02:05:30,260
 And this will be up against our property.

2550
02:05:30,260 --> 02:05:35,860
 I have grave concerns this evening when I found out,

2551
02:05:35,860 --> 02:05:38,100
 and by the way, I echo what Rose said,

2552
02:05:38,100 --> 02:05:41,060
 that they've been very gracious and very fair

2553
02:05:41,060 --> 02:05:42,940
 in their conversations with us.

2554
02:05:42,940 --> 02:05:46,020
 I must say I am not at all pleased

2555
02:05:46,020 --> 02:05:49,300
 knowing that there's going to be alcohol served out there.

2556
02:05:49,300 --> 02:05:52,220
 This is not going to be your kids going

2557
02:05:52,220 --> 02:05:53,300
 and playing pickleball.

2558
02:05:53,300 --> 02:05:55,860
 This is going to be people out there drinking

2559
02:05:55,860 --> 02:05:56,980
 until the time they leave,

2560
02:05:56,980 --> 02:05:59,860
 and it's going to get really loud and noisy.

2561
02:05:59,860 --> 02:06:02,820
 So I was sort of on the border about saying

2562
02:06:02,820 --> 02:06:04,940
 I wholeheartedly approve this,

2563
02:06:04,940 --> 02:06:07,500
 until I found out about the alcohol sale.

2564
02:06:07,500 --> 02:06:09,620
 Assuming that they would take care

2565
02:06:09,620 --> 02:06:11,340
 of all of the other problems.

2566
02:06:11,340 --> 02:06:14,660
 Which for me, I know I sound like a broken record

2567
02:06:14,660 --> 02:06:15,580
 talking about the drainage.

2568
02:06:15,580 --> 02:06:16,860
 These poor people are hearing me,

2569
02:06:16,860 --> 02:06:19,300
 sick of hearing me talk about it.

2570
02:06:19,300 --> 02:06:21,020
 But I can't tell you how many times

2571
02:06:21,020 --> 02:06:22,700
 I've been up at three o'clock in the morning,

2572
02:06:22,700 --> 02:06:27,700
 sweeping out the garage and digging trenches by my driveway

2573
02:06:27,700 --> 02:06:31,540
 to get the water to flow away from the house myself,

2574
02:06:31,540 --> 02:06:34,220
 and trying to direct water around the house somehow

2575
02:06:34,220 --> 02:06:36,140
 so that it won't go into their house.

2576
02:06:37,180 --> 02:06:39,420
 Because you go down the hill,

2577
02:06:39,420 --> 02:06:41,900
 and it's like this from here to the end of street,

2578
02:06:41,900 --> 02:06:45,260
 and it's all down from there.

2579
02:06:45,260 --> 02:06:51,300
 So I hate to say it,

2580
02:06:51,300 --> 02:06:54,420
 but because of the alcohol sale issue,

2581
02:06:54,420 --> 02:06:59,420
 I must change my vote to being opposed to this,

2582
02:06:59,420 --> 02:07:03,580
 because we have spent too much money on our house,

2583
02:07:03,580 --> 02:07:06,260
 and too much money trying to take care of what

2584
02:07:07,500 --> 02:07:10,460
 the developer is intending to fix,

2585
02:07:10,460 --> 02:07:13,860
 that the city has never addressed properly.

2586
02:07:13,860 --> 02:07:20,380
 And I hold the city responsible for the photos

2587
02:07:20,380 --> 02:07:22,820
 that you were shown.

2588
02:07:22,820 --> 02:07:25,300
 Any questions?

2589
02:07:25,300 --> 02:07:29,900
 - I do not see any questions,

2590
02:07:29,900 --> 02:07:33,020
 but thank you for your concerns, appreciate it.

2591
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:37,020
 Next card I have is Craig Williams.

2592
02:07:38,180 --> 02:07:40,860
 (clears throat)

2593
02:07:40,860 --> 02:07:43,100
 Ty, if you'll state your name, your time will begin.

2594
02:07:43,100 --> 02:07:44,820
 - Hi, I'm Craig Williams.

2595
02:07:44,820 --> 02:07:47,860
 I live next door to the Scotts.

2596
02:07:47,860 --> 02:07:51,420
 And basically I put in my provisional

2597
02:07:51,420 --> 02:07:53,660
 or conditional approval as well.

2598
02:07:53,660 --> 02:07:55,740
 They have done their due diligence with the meetings.

2599
02:07:55,740 --> 02:07:57,500
 We have had a lot addressed,

2600
02:07:57,500 --> 02:07:59,940
 but there still are some concerns.

2601
02:07:59,940 --> 02:08:04,580
 Mr. Scott said about the drainage,

2602
02:08:04,580 --> 02:08:08,140
 it's, I didn't spend as much as he did,

2603
02:08:08,140 --> 02:08:10,380
 but I've spent thousands of dollars myself

2604
02:08:10,380 --> 02:08:15,380
 with French drains and repairs from flooding.

2605
02:08:15,380 --> 02:08:20,460
 But so yes, that is a very big concern

2606
02:08:20,460 --> 02:08:23,220
 that if the drainage be handled properly,

2607
02:08:23,220 --> 02:08:25,740
 or at least the city could get a handle on it.

2608
02:08:25,740 --> 02:08:31,740
 And another thing I'm just kind of concerned about

2609
02:08:32,100 --> 02:08:36,300
 is I guess pickleball is getting really popular,

2610
02:08:36,300 --> 02:08:39,420
 but I feel that Denton is trying to become

2611
02:08:39,420 --> 02:08:42,300
 the North Texas hub of pickleball,

2612
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:45,740
 because within this property,

2613
02:08:45,740 --> 02:08:50,100
 there's I think three other pickleball courts

2614
02:08:50,100 --> 02:08:52,200
 within six miles.

2615
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:54,460
 You have Drinkers Pickleball.

2616
02:08:54,460 --> 02:08:57,780
 It's on where the old Brookshires was,

2617
02:08:57,780 --> 02:08:59,540
 was it Teasley in '35.

2618
02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:04,940
 There's the Pickler, which I think is,

2619
02:09:04,940 --> 02:09:07,900
 took over the drug emporium that was on University.

2620
02:09:07,900 --> 02:09:10,620
 That's about three miles away.

2621
02:09:10,620 --> 02:09:12,900
 And then you've got the brand new really nice courts

2622
02:09:12,900 --> 02:09:15,620
 that the city put in, the pickleball courts there,

2623
02:09:15,620 --> 02:09:17,820
 and the new tennis center, I believe,

2624
02:09:17,820 --> 02:09:19,740
 right at the North Lake Park.

2625
02:09:19,740 --> 02:09:26,300
 So there's three, there's three pickleball courts,

2626
02:09:26,300 --> 02:09:29,700
 I guess, or facilities,

2627
02:09:29,700 --> 02:09:31,100
 the furthest being six miles,

2628
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:34,340
 other being two and three, respectively.

2629
02:09:34,340 --> 02:09:38,540
 So I'm just, the concern is this like,

2630
02:09:38,540 --> 02:09:40,180
 is this a fad that's gonna go away?

2631
02:09:40,180 --> 02:09:41,460
 Is this something that's gonna really blow up?

2632
02:09:41,460 --> 02:09:42,940
 If it's gonna blow up, I guess okay,

2633
02:09:42,940 --> 02:09:44,500
 but if it's a fad that's gonna go away,

2634
02:09:44,500 --> 02:09:45,340
 then I'm kind of wondering,

2635
02:09:45,340 --> 02:09:47,260
 I don't wanna have an empty facility sitting there

2636
02:09:47,260 --> 02:09:49,780
 or have it repurposed,

2637
02:09:49,780 --> 02:09:51,200
 or we're having to come down here again

2638
02:09:51,200 --> 02:09:52,460
 for another zoning,

2639
02:09:52,460 --> 02:09:56,940
 another zoning change.

2640
02:09:57,980 --> 02:10:00,280
 The one in 2020 that we approved to,

2641
02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:07,800
 we really thought that was a win for all of us.

2642
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:10,720
 But then it sold, I guess, so I mean,

2643
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:12,140
 I'm also concerned that what happens

2644
02:10:12,140 --> 02:10:14,780
 if this gets approved and then this new ownership

2645
02:10:14,780 --> 02:10:16,980
 decides they can't do this or don't wanna do it,

2646
02:10:16,980 --> 02:10:21,280
 and something else happens, unforeseen,

2647
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:24,580
 and then they then sell it to another owner

2648
02:10:24,580 --> 02:10:25,860
 who we're gonna come back in here

2649
02:10:25,860 --> 02:10:29,100
 'cause they wanna tweak it again.

2650
02:10:29,100 --> 02:10:31,020
 So those are just some of my concerns

2651
02:10:31,020 --> 02:10:33,860
 that I had with this,

2652
02:10:33,860 --> 02:10:38,860
 and I'll also echo John's concerned about the alcohol.

2653
02:10:38,860 --> 02:10:44,820
 I know they kind of, it's a restaurant, I guess,

2654
02:10:44,820 --> 02:10:46,340
 that will probably serve alcohol,

2655
02:10:46,340 --> 02:10:49,940
 but I'm also kind of concerned about the,

2656
02:10:49,940 --> 02:10:51,260
 I mean, it's kind of in a neighborhood.

2657
02:10:51,260 --> 02:10:54,060
 There's really nothing else around us that has that.

2658
02:10:54,060 --> 02:10:56,100
 I mean, there's some restaurants down in University.

2659
02:10:56,100 --> 02:11:00,540
 There's the Chili's and a few other places that serve,

2660
02:11:00,540 --> 02:11:02,340
 but this is kind of really almost more nestled

2661
02:11:02,340 --> 02:11:04,380
 into the neighborhood in a way.

2662
02:11:04,380 --> 02:11:08,700
 And one other thing about the access to it,

2663
02:11:08,700 --> 02:11:11,520
 I think they were talking about not being viable

2664
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:16,340
 for residential because of the access problems from 35,

2665
02:11:16,340 --> 02:11:18,860
 but I mean, if you're driving down the road,

2666
02:11:18,860 --> 02:11:20,740
 you're gonna have to exit University,

2667
02:11:21,660 --> 02:11:25,420
 the University exit, which is horrible right now anyway,

2668
02:11:25,420 --> 02:11:27,460
 to then go north to get to this facility

2669
02:11:27,460 --> 02:11:29,500
 'cause it's a one-way service road,

2670
02:11:29,500 --> 02:11:30,820
 or they're gonna have to come around

2671
02:11:30,820 --> 02:11:33,420
 and drive through the neighborhood to get to it.

2672
02:11:33,420 --> 02:11:36,260
 I don't, not sure, there's gonna be a huge amount

2673
02:11:36,260 --> 02:11:37,660
 of traffic coming through the neighborhood,

2674
02:11:37,660 --> 02:11:40,500
 but if it's something they're leaving a bar

2675
02:11:40,500 --> 02:11:44,180
 and have had drinks and are driving through the neighborhood,

2676
02:11:44,180 --> 02:11:46,180
 it might be a little bit more problematic,

2677
02:11:46,180 --> 02:11:51,180
 but in any case, that's all I have then.

2678
02:11:51,260 --> 02:11:52,660
 - Thank you.

2679
02:11:52,660 --> 02:11:56,020
 - Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Mr. Williams.

2680
02:11:56,020 --> 02:11:59,780
 Next card I have is Charles Lee.

2681
02:11:59,780 --> 02:12:07,060
 Don't see Mr. Lee in here.

2682
02:12:07,060 --> 02:12:12,660
 Okay, I'll go ahead and call the other card I have

2683
02:12:12,660 --> 02:12:16,040
 and then we'll see if Mr. Lee is back.

2684
02:12:16,040 --> 02:12:17,380
 Elizabeth McDonald.

2685
02:12:22,100 --> 02:12:25,100
 Hi there, if you'll state your name, your time will begin.

2686
02:12:25,100 --> 02:12:26,180
 - Okay, thank you.

2687
02:12:26,180 --> 02:12:30,140
 I am Elizabeth McDonald, and I'm the email that was sent,

2688
02:12:30,140 --> 02:12:32,780
 and so you may have already seen some of the,

2689
02:12:32,780 --> 02:12:34,580
 I guess, comments that I had.

2690
02:12:34,580 --> 02:12:39,580
 I would like to echo what the previous speakers have said

2691
02:12:39,580 --> 02:12:44,180
 in terms of connecting with Amy, she has been fantastic.

2692
02:12:44,180 --> 02:12:48,700
 I really appreciate so much her, just her time with us,

2693
02:12:48,700 --> 02:12:51,300
 and asking questions individually.

2694
02:12:51,300 --> 02:12:53,660
 That really helps ease fears,

2695
02:12:53,660 --> 02:12:56,340
 and so I'd like to really honor that in her.

2696
02:12:56,340 --> 02:12:58,980
 And I would also like to say that I don't know

2697
02:12:58,980 --> 02:13:01,700
 that I have the same exact drainage issues

2698
02:13:01,700 --> 02:13:03,820
 that my neighbors have, but we did have to put

2699
02:13:03,820 --> 02:13:07,260
 in a French drain, we did have some water in our home

2700
02:13:07,260 --> 02:13:11,780
 right after we moved in, and the French drain has helped,

2701
02:13:11,780 --> 02:13:15,100
 but there's always just this running to check the back porch

2702
02:13:15,100 --> 02:13:17,060
 to make sure we're not having a big situation,

2703
02:13:17,060 --> 02:13:20,660
 every time we get a lot of rain, so I do think that

2704
02:13:20,660 --> 02:13:22,900
 if that could be addressed, that would be fabulous.

2705
02:13:22,900 --> 02:13:26,460
 My two main concerns are, we do not know

2706
02:13:26,460 --> 02:13:28,660
 the hours of operation, that's the first one.

2707
02:13:28,660 --> 02:13:31,300
 And at this point, I think we should know that,

2708
02:13:31,300 --> 02:13:34,900
 for me to feel any sense of an ability to say

2709
02:13:34,900 --> 02:13:36,460
 that I do approve this.

2710
02:13:36,460 --> 02:13:40,140
 So I want full transparency, and I'd like to really know

2711
02:13:40,140 --> 02:13:41,740
 what is going to occur with the facility,

2712
02:13:41,740 --> 02:13:43,660
 so I think that should be provided.

2713
02:13:43,660 --> 02:13:45,340
 I'm grateful for what Amy shared tonight,

2714
02:13:45,340 --> 02:13:47,940
 but I would really like to know what that's gonna look like.

2715
02:13:47,940 --> 02:13:51,060
 And then the other is the noise.

2716
02:13:51,060 --> 02:13:52,580
 I'm very concerned about that.

2717
02:13:52,580 --> 02:13:54,420
 Now Amy did, when I spoke with her, she did say

2718
02:13:54,420 --> 02:13:56,220
 that we would not hear a thing in the building,

2719
02:13:56,220 --> 02:13:57,060
 which is great.

2720
02:13:57,060 --> 02:14:01,380
 And I like the courtyard, but I'm concerned

2721
02:14:01,380 --> 02:14:04,700
 that that could be an area where people start playing music

2722
02:14:04,700 --> 02:14:08,340
 or they're out there talking really loud or doing things

2723
02:14:08,340 --> 02:14:10,260
 that would not provide the peace that we need

2724
02:14:10,260 --> 02:14:13,460
 to be able to live peacefully in our homes.

2725
02:14:13,460 --> 02:14:15,540
 This is where we live, this is where we are.

2726
02:14:15,540 --> 02:14:20,540
 And I actually have worked out of my house online,

2727
02:14:20,540 --> 02:14:24,500
 and I would need the peace and the quiet

2728
02:14:24,500 --> 02:14:25,980
 to be able to even focus and concentrate.

2729
02:14:25,980 --> 02:14:29,540
 So I think that knowing what we're up against,

2730
02:14:29,540 --> 02:14:32,100
 what that would be, would be great.

2731
02:14:32,100 --> 02:14:35,300
 And also if we could also find out how big the restaurant is,

2732
02:14:35,300 --> 02:14:39,220
 how many people it will seat, I think that would help me

2733
02:14:39,220 --> 02:14:41,180
 to understand a little bit more.

2734
02:14:41,180 --> 02:14:43,620
 I wanted to say that I was in favor,

2735
02:14:43,620 --> 02:14:47,220
 but I can't until I have those answers.

2736
02:14:47,220 --> 02:14:48,700
 I love Denton.

2737
02:14:48,700 --> 02:14:50,900
 My sister who's with me, she got her degree

2738
02:14:50,900 --> 02:14:52,380
 at the University of North Texas.

2739
02:14:52,380 --> 02:14:55,540
 I'm thrilled for Denton to have businesses

2740
02:14:55,540 --> 02:14:56,620
 that will succeed.

2741
02:14:56,620 --> 02:14:57,900
 I had the privilege of working

2742
02:14:57,900 --> 02:15:00,500
 for Texas Women's University for 16 years.

2743
02:15:00,500 --> 02:15:04,300
 And so I'm not against wonderful things occurring,

2744
02:15:04,300 --> 02:15:07,420
 but we do need to figure out how we can make this work

2745
02:15:07,420 --> 02:15:10,540
 for our neighborhood so that we really can do this

2746
02:15:10,540 --> 02:15:12,340
 for our neighborhood so that we really don't have to see it

2747
02:15:12,340 --> 02:15:16,180
 or hear it, hoping that everything would be so successful

2748
02:15:16,180 --> 02:15:20,060
 with whatever gets provided there in that area

2749
02:15:20,060 --> 02:15:23,300
 for a business, but in a way that we can

2750
02:15:23,300 --> 02:15:26,820
 live comfortably in our homes

2751
02:15:26,820 --> 02:15:31,460
 and still be contributing citizens to this city.

2752
02:15:31,460 --> 02:15:33,900
 And so those would be my thoughts.

2753
02:15:33,900 --> 02:15:34,740
 Thank you so much.

2754
02:15:34,740 --> 02:15:35,580
 - Thank you.

2755
02:15:39,580 --> 02:15:42,700
 Okay, so that leaves me with the last card I have,

2756
02:15:42,700 --> 02:15:47,700
 which is Mr. Lee, and I will give him one more minute,

2757
02:15:47,700 --> 02:15:51,540
 if that. (laughs)

2758
02:15:51,540 --> 02:15:57,860
 If not, his would be the last card I have.

2759
02:15:57,860 --> 02:16:00,580
 Is there anyone here who did not fill out a card

2760
02:16:00,580 --> 02:16:02,340
 who wishes to speak on this item?

2761
02:16:02,340 --> 02:16:06,500
 Okay.

2762
02:16:10,460 --> 02:16:12,300
 (faintly speaking)

2763
02:16:12,300 --> 02:16:14,820
 I will go ahead and close the public hearing.

2764
02:16:14,820 --> 02:16:22,060
 And I will open up the floor for discussion or motion.

2765
02:16:22,060 --> 02:16:31,420
 Commissioner Pruitt, sorry.

2766
02:16:31,420 --> 02:16:32,260
 - Thank you, Chair.

2767
02:16:32,260 --> 02:16:34,460
 I'll ask a question for staff

2768
02:16:34,460 --> 02:16:36,220
 that we may not have the answer to,

2769
02:16:36,220 --> 02:16:39,460
 and I'm sorry that that's my mode of operation.

2770
02:16:39,460 --> 02:16:42,140
 This evening. (laughs)

2771
02:16:42,140 --> 02:16:47,140
 Just in general, you know, I look at the topography there.

2772
02:16:47,140 --> 02:16:50,740
 I'm not able to look at the drainage infrastructure

2773
02:16:50,740 --> 02:16:52,540
 because apparently somebody's gonna throw a bomb

2774
02:16:52,540 --> 02:16:53,700
 in the sewer.

2775
02:16:53,700 --> 02:16:58,300
 I just, help me understand why it's so bad.

2776
02:16:58,300 --> 02:16:59,820
 When I look at the topo map,

2777
02:16:59,820 --> 02:17:06,020
 it looks like the flow of water is from north to south.

2778
02:17:06,900 --> 02:17:09,980
 The subject property is actually kind of from northeast

2779
02:17:09,980 --> 02:17:14,740
 to southwest, sort of away from the neighbors to the east.

2780
02:17:14,740 --> 02:17:16,780
 And it doesn't look like it's a great deal

2781
02:17:16,780 --> 02:17:18,800
 of watershed coming south.

2782
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:23,140
 At the same time, the area just to the east

2783
02:17:23,140 --> 02:17:24,580
 was developed a long time ago

2784
02:17:24,580 --> 02:17:29,540
 when our drainage standards and stormwater systems

2785
02:17:29,540 --> 02:17:33,620
 were not the same standards as they are now.

2786
02:17:33,620 --> 02:17:38,140
 I believe the Windsor,

2787
02:17:38,140 --> 02:17:39,340
 what's the name of it again, Windsor?

2788
02:17:39,340 --> 02:17:41,940
 - Windsor Farms. - Farms, thank you.

2789
02:17:41,940 --> 02:17:44,180
 It looks in the historical maps

2790
02:17:44,180 --> 02:17:46,540
 like it broke ground in 2005, I think,

2791
02:17:46,540 --> 02:17:48,920
 and so that was a long time ago.

2792
02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:54,700
 Thank you for listening to me ramble.

2793
02:17:54,700 --> 02:17:59,220
 The question is really, it doesn't look to me

2794
02:17:59,220 --> 02:18:04,220
 like the subject property has a lot of watershed

2795
02:18:04,220 --> 02:18:10,140
 that will flow toward the neighbors to the east.

2796
02:18:10,140 --> 02:18:15,820
 It looks to me like perhaps a significant portion

2797
02:18:15,820 --> 02:18:19,620
 of the drainage issues are adjacent,

2798
02:18:19,620 --> 02:18:22,980
 but not related to what might happen here.

2799
02:18:22,980 --> 02:18:27,560
 And so I wanna make sure we set up expectations

2800
02:18:27,560 --> 02:18:32,560
 and let the residents know whatever process

2801
02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:39,820
 or status the stormwater update is coming

2802
02:18:39,820 --> 02:18:45,760
 to be able to have realistic expectations

2803
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:48,320
 about how much improvement might come

2804
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:51,100
 so that we don't get ourselves in a situation where,

2805
02:18:51,100 --> 02:18:52,980
 well, I thought this development was gonna fix it

2806
02:18:52,980 --> 02:18:54,940
 and then it didn't, and then what do I do?

2807
02:18:54,940 --> 02:18:56,040
 Does that make sense?

2808
02:18:57,300 --> 02:19:00,800
 - Yes, I follow, and I'll try my best to address it,

2809
02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:04,700
 and then Tina can chime in and add more color to it

2810
02:19:04,700 --> 02:19:06,820
 if I can't adequately capture everything.

2811
02:19:06,820 --> 02:19:13,820
 So your initial glance at our inner maps is accurate.

2812
02:19:13,820 --> 02:19:17,060
 There's not existing floodplain on the area

2813
02:19:17,060 --> 02:19:20,720
 nor any riparian or water-related eases,

2814
02:19:20,720 --> 02:19:23,140
 either on the site or immediately adjacent to it.

2815
02:19:23,140 --> 02:19:26,500
 There are some of those areas further to the northeast

2816
02:19:26,500 --> 02:19:28,660
 on the north side of Windsor,

2817
02:19:28,660 --> 02:19:31,660
 and it is likely that some of these drainage concerns

2818
02:19:31,660 --> 02:19:36,660
 are part of a larger area drainage problem.

2819
02:19:36,660 --> 02:19:41,060
 As it comes to the development of the site specifically,

2820
02:19:41,060 --> 02:19:45,960
 should this go forward to civil engineering plans,

2821
02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:48,200
 detailed engineering review is required,

2822
02:19:48,200 --> 02:19:50,700
 and that includes a review of the drainage systems

2823
02:19:50,700 --> 02:19:52,580
 on the lot.

2824
02:19:52,580 --> 02:19:55,620
 I don't know that I could speak to any sort of guarantee

2825
02:19:55,620 --> 02:19:58,500
 that it might improve the situation.

2826
02:19:58,500 --> 02:20:02,340
 It likely would put, it would add impervious surface,

2827
02:20:02,340 --> 02:20:04,740
 but would also account for that impervious surface

2828
02:20:04,740 --> 02:20:08,300
 and could not increase the flow of water.

2829
02:20:08,300 --> 02:20:10,380
 If there are known issues on site,

2830
02:20:10,380 --> 02:20:13,400
 that could be an opportunity for them to be improved,

2831
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:15,140
 but that would need to be done and reviewed

2832
02:20:15,140 --> 02:20:17,300
 at that time of study, which at this point,

2833
02:20:17,300 --> 02:20:19,100
 we're just not there quite yet.

2834
02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:22,260
 We're still talking about the nuts and bolts of the zoning.

2835
02:20:22,260 --> 02:20:24,260
 - Yeah, totally understand.

2836
02:20:24,260 --> 02:20:28,020
 Maybe just if there's an update for the residents

2837
02:20:28,020 --> 02:20:30,420
 on what we're in the process

2838
02:20:30,420 --> 02:20:34,300
 of the stormwater needs assessment we are

2839
02:20:34,300 --> 02:20:36,100
 and what that planning phase is.

2840
02:20:36,100 --> 02:20:37,900
 It's been a long time since I've heard

2841
02:20:37,900 --> 02:20:41,180
 that we were putting together a large report like that.

2842
02:20:41,180 --> 02:20:45,860
 Even if it's something where we work with the applicant

2843
02:20:45,860 --> 02:20:48,660
 to distribute that information to the residents,

2844
02:20:48,660 --> 02:20:51,600
 I just wanna make sure we don't have a,

2845
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:54,740
 I thought this was said and now it's still a problem

2846
02:20:54,740 --> 02:20:56,340
 situation, does that make sense?

2847
02:20:56,340 --> 02:21:02,900
 - I don't know if I have anything really more to add

2848
02:21:02,900 --> 02:21:07,740
 other than I'm not aware of a master stormwater plan

2849
02:21:07,740 --> 02:21:08,580
 that's being developed.

2850
02:21:08,580 --> 02:21:11,020
 I know we were working on water and sanitary sewer,

2851
02:21:11,020 --> 02:21:13,760
 but stormwater escapes me right now.

2852
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:18,960
 I will attest that I am not an engineer, nor is Angie,

2853
02:21:18,960 --> 02:21:23,960
 so we're land use planners, but here more recently,

2854
02:21:23,960 --> 02:21:28,620
 typically what we find with our development projects

2855
02:21:28,620 --> 02:21:32,740
 because of our standards being to a higher quality

2856
02:21:32,740 --> 02:21:34,480
 and higher level of performance,

2857
02:21:34,480 --> 02:21:37,140
 potentially compared to decades ago,

2858
02:21:37,140 --> 02:21:40,400
 that we are very concerned regarding making sure

2859
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:43,060
 the development or when a property develops

2860
02:21:43,060 --> 02:21:45,340
 that they are not, that that development

2861
02:21:45,340 --> 02:21:47,740
 is not increasing any stormwater runoff.

2862
02:21:47,740 --> 02:21:51,580
 They do have to account for the developed conditions

2863
02:21:51,580 --> 02:21:56,580
 so that it is not at a worst level of runoff,

2864
02:21:56,580 --> 02:21:59,380
 that's a way to describe that,

2865
02:21:59,380 --> 02:22:01,260
 so that it's not a worst level of runoff

2866
02:22:01,260 --> 02:22:02,900
 prior to pre-developed conditions.

2867
02:22:02,900 --> 02:22:07,900
 So if 50 cubic feet of water were leaving the site today

2868
02:22:07,900 --> 02:22:12,140
 in an undeveloped state, then after the property

2869
02:22:12,140 --> 02:22:14,660
 is developed, no more than 50 cubic feet of water

2870
02:22:14,660 --> 02:22:18,020
 could leave the site, to use an example.

2871
02:22:18,020 --> 02:22:22,300
 So we are conscientious of it, and we look for that.

2872
02:22:22,300 --> 02:22:25,680
 I think if, also I would point out that many times,

2873
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:30,020
 obviously this did not happen when the neighborhood

2874
02:22:30,020 --> 02:22:34,540
 to the north of the residents who have expressed concern

2875
02:22:34,540 --> 02:22:37,180
 happened their situation, but today,

2876
02:22:37,180 --> 02:22:40,660
 I mean we are very conscientious of drainage concerns

2877
02:22:40,660 --> 02:22:44,020
 as we review construction plans to try and ensure

2878
02:22:44,020 --> 02:22:46,100
 that we're not creating any situations

2879
02:22:46,100 --> 02:22:49,680
 where there's adverse, negative drainage implications

2880
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:50,700
 on adjoining properties.

2881
02:22:50,700 --> 02:22:52,500
 We treat that very seriously.

2882
02:22:52,500 --> 02:22:59,620
 - Commissioner Pridharm.

2883
02:22:59,620 --> 02:23:03,540
 - I have a question related to noise,

2884
02:23:03,540 --> 02:23:06,620
 and Amy, I'm not sure if you address this.

2885
02:23:06,620 --> 02:23:07,980
 What's the max capacity?

2886
02:23:07,980 --> 02:23:12,660
 - That's an interesting question,

2887
02:23:12,660 --> 02:23:15,380
 and it's kind of a challenging formula.

2888
02:23:15,380 --> 02:23:17,900
 I don't know off the top of my head.

2889
02:23:17,900 --> 02:23:19,220
 If I can pull up the site plan,

2890
02:23:19,220 --> 02:23:21,020
 I can at least show you guys how many

2891
02:23:21,020 --> 02:23:24,020
 courts we're looking at.

2892
02:23:24,020 --> 02:23:25,660
 Give me just one second here.

2893
02:23:25,660 --> 02:23:32,740
 We've got 16 courts.

2894
02:23:32,740 --> 02:23:36,900
 As you can see, the seating area is very small.

2895
02:23:36,900 --> 02:23:40,580
 It's not like we're seating hundreds of people.

2896
02:23:40,580 --> 02:23:43,660
 It's gonna be a concession style restaurant

2897
02:23:43,660 --> 02:23:45,700
 that's intended to be an accessory use

2898
02:23:45,700 --> 02:23:47,660
 to the actual pickleball courts.

2899
02:23:47,660 --> 02:23:52,060
 The actual capacity would be a function

2900
02:23:52,060 --> 02:23:54,420
 of a number of things from whether it's sprinkled

2901
02:23:54,420 --> 02:23:56,380
 and how many parking spaces there are

2902
02:23:56,380 --> 02:23:58,060
 and what the square footage is

2903
02:23:58,060 --> 02:23:59,380
 and what the construction type is,

2904
02:23:59,380 --> 02:24:03,020
 so I don't have that specific answer for you.

2905
02:24:03,020 --> 02:24:05,940
 Unfortunately, I can tell you that we've got

2906
02:24:05,940 --> 02:24:10,500
 roughly 70 parking spaces,

2907
02:24:10,500 --> 02:24:15,020
 so that probably gives you some gauge there as well.

2908
02:24:15,020 --> 02:24:18,560
 I do also, if you don't mind,

2909
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:20,960
 I want to address Commissioner Pruitt's question

2910
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:21,800
 about drainage.

2911
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:25,020
 Yes, the site drains from the northwest to the southeast,

2912
02:24:25,020 --> 02:24:29,580
 and we account for that in terms of where we believe

2913
02:24:29,580 --> 02:24:32,540
 the detention and the drainage will be handled.

2914
02:24:32,540 --> 02:24:35,100
 We also believe that some of what's coming from the north

2915
02:24:35,100 --> 02:24:36,620
 is coming across our property

2916
02:24:36,620 --> 02:24:38,820
 and that we would have to handle that as well.

2917
02:24:38,820 --> 02:24:42,240
 I'm sorry about that, but did that cover your question?

2918
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:44,900
 - Thank you.

2919
02:24:44,900 --> 02:24:47,020
 - Thank you, Commissioner Villarreal.

2920
02:24:47,020 --> 02:24:48,300
 - Thank you, Chair.

2921
02:24:48,300 --> 02:24:49,780
 Amy, a quick question.

2922
02:24:49,780 --> 02:24:50,740
 I know this came up earlier.

2923
02:24:50,740 --> 02:24:52,460
 I'm not sure if you mentioned it,

2924
02:24:52,460 --> 02:24:53,900
 but we know there's gonna be alcohol sales.

2925
02:24:53,900 --> 02:24:56,620
 Is that just beer and wine or is there a full bar?

2926
02:24:56,620 --> 02:24:59,060
 - It would be a restaurant, so it's not a bar.

2927
02:24:59,060 --> 02:25:01,460
 It's a restaurant that would serve alcohol,

2928
02:25:01,460 --> 02:25:04,900
 so it would have to be less than 50% of the sales

2929
02:25:04,900 --> 02:25:08,020
 would have to be predominantly food.

2930
02:25:08,020 --> 02:25:09,340
 I don't know that they've made a decision

2931
02:25:09,340 --> 02:25:12,260
 about whether or not they would serve mixed drinks,

2932
02:25:12,260 --> 02:25:14,860
 but I would go on the assumption

2933
02:25:14,860 --> 02:25:16,340
 that if they want a full restaurant,

2934
02:25:16,340 --> 02:25:17,940
 that they probably would.

2935
02:25:17,940 --> 02:25:18,940
 - Got it, thank you.

2936
02:25:18,940 --> 02:25:25,020
 - Commissioner Villarreal.

2937
02:25:25,020 --> 02:25:28,180
 - I'm gonna move approval.

2938
02:25:28,180 --> 02:25:30,740
 Amy, I think you did a great job

2939
02:25:30,740 --> 02:25:33,060
 really talking with the community here,

2940
02:25:33,060 --> 02:25:36,260
 just getting folks to come and even offer conditional support

2941
02:25:36,260 --> 02:25:39,020
 after the amount of hardship they've been through

2942
02:25:39,020 --> 02:25:40,460
 due to surrounding development, I think,

2943
02:25:40,460 --> 02:25:42,460
 shows a lot of effort on your part.

2944
02:25:42,460 --> 02:25:46,020
 So I understand there's a lot of concern here,

2945
02:25:46,020 --> 02:25:46,860
 fully understand the concern.

2946
02:25:46,860 --> 02:25:48,980
 Hopefully we can, the city can help address

2947
02:25:48,980 --> 02:25:51,780
 some of those drainage issues with y'all.

2948
02:25:51,780 --> 02:25:55,260
 But with what we have currently, I'm gonna move approval.

2949
02:25:55,260 --> 02:25:57,220
 - Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt.

2950
02:25:58,740 --> 02:26:03,740
 I will second, and I'm glad to see this property

2951
02:26:03,740 --> 02:26:08,420
 moved to an overlay PD instead of a full PD.

2952
02:26:08,420 --> 02:26:10,700
 So, yeah, thank you.

2953
02:26:10,700 --> 02:26:14,980
 - Got a first and a second for approval.

2954
02:26:14,980 --> 02:26:15,820
 Any discussion?

2955
02:26:15,820 --> 02:26:19,820
 Yeah, I'll go ahead and just say a couple things

2956
02:26:19,820 --> 02:26:24,580
 and understand the drainage issue

2957
02:26:24,580 --> 02:26:28,020
 and hopefully we'll continue to talk about that.

2958
02:26:28,020 --> 02:26:29,620
 I'll be bringing that up at the end of the meeting

2959
02:26:29,620 --> 02:26:30,620
 as a matter of fact.

2960
02:26:30,620 --> 02:26:37,420
 It's certainly not the fault of this developer, those issues.

2961
02:26:37,420 --> 02:26:43,420
 And this development won't make that worse,

2962
02:26:43,420 --> 02:26:44,700
 it can't make that worse.

2963
02:26:44,700 --> 02:26:49,460
 So that in and of itself I think is a separate problem.

2964
02:26:49,460 --> 02:26:53,780
 The compromises that have been done

2965
02:26:53,780 --> 02:26:57,940
 in relation to the protection of the neighborhood

2966
02:26:57,940 --> 02:27:00,100
 is pretty substantial.

2967
02:27:00,100 --> 02:27:02,980
 When you look at how it's zoned now,

2968
02:27:02,980 --> 02:27:04,300
 restaurants are allowed.

2969
02:27:04,300 --> 02:27:10,340
 So that can be done, it has just limiting

2970
02:27:10,340 --> 02:27:13,940
 right behind the homes, it to offices,

2971
02:27:13,940 --> 02:27:18,500
 but restaurant is allowed now currently on site.

2972
02:27:18,500 --> 02:27:24,580
 So with this the way it's done,

2973
02:27:24,580 --> 02:27:26,260
 with where they've moved things,

2974
02:27:26,260 --> 02:27:28,300
 with where they've put parking,

2975
02:27:28,300 --> 02:27:33,300
 all of it is done to help protect the neighborhood

2976
02:27:33,300 --> 02:27:35,340
 that's already there.

2977
02:27:35,340 --> 02:27:38,900
 What we have now sitting on the property,

2978
02:27:38,900 --> 02:27:42,220
 other than that little bit of east side

2979
02:27:42,220 --> 02:27:44,860
 that says it has to be medical offices,

2980
02:27:44,860 --> 02:27:46,700
 that's the only protection that's on it.

2981
02:27:46,700 --> 02:27:51,380
 It could be anything else that's permitted

2982
02:27:51,380 --> 02:27:53,740
 in the zoning district without any kind

2983
02:27:53,740 --> 02:27:56,580
 of compromise made.

2984
02:27:56,580 --> 02:28:01,580
 So yeah, I think the applicant has done

2985
02:28:01,580 --> 02:28:03,660
 a great job reaching out.

2986
02:28:03,660 --> 02:28:05,540
 I mean, I think you all have valid concerns,

2987
02:28:05,540 --> 02:28:09,580
 but I think they're concerns that are aside

2988
02:28:09,580 --> 02:28:12,180
 from this request.

2989
02:28:12,180 --> 02:28:16,660
 So with that, is there anyone else

2990
02:28:16,660 --> 02:28:18,820
 who got a first and a second for approval?

2991
02:28:18,820 --> 02:28:20,300
 Yeah, go ahead, yep.

2992
02:28:23,500 --> 02:28:25,260
 Thanks to my subject matter experts

2993
02:28:25,260 --> 02:28:26,580
 working behind the scenes.

2994
02:28:26,580 --> 02:28:28,140
 They were able to share with me

2995
02:28:28,140 --> 02:28:30,420
 that apparently our engineering staff

2996
02:28:30,420 --> 02:28:33,020
 did present a stormwater master plan needs assessment

2997
02:28:33,020 --> 02:28:36,660
 to city council back in September of 2023.

2998
02:28:36,660 --> 02:28:38,020
 We have not found though yet

2999
02:28:38,020 --> 02:28:41,060
 where the plan has gone back to them for adoption.

3000
02:28:41,060 --> 02:28:44,420
 So we presume that that's still in the works.

3001
02:28:44,420 --> 02:28:46,500
 Okay, thank you.

3002
02:28:46,500 --> 02:28:50,180
 Okay, there's nothing else.

3003
02:28:50,180 --> 02:28:51,740
 We'll go ahead and vote please.

3004
02:28:53,500 --> 02:28:56,260
 (mouse clicking)

3005
02:28:56,260 --> 02:29:05,860
 That motion will carry three, one.

3006
02:29:05,860 --> 02:29:09,900
 That will move to city council then December 3rd.

3007
02:29:09,900 --> 02:29:17,380
 Okay, next is 5C, Z240011.

3008
02:29:17,380 --> 02:29:19,700
 We'll open the public hearing

3009
02:29:19,700 --> 02:29:23,060
 and invite Julie Wyatt for presentation.

3010
02:29:23,860 --> 02:29:24,700
 Good evening.

3011
02:29:24,700 --> 02:29:30,900
 There we go.

3012
02:29:30,900 --> 02:29:35,420
 All right, good evening.

3013
02:29:35,420 --> 02:29:36,980
 I'm Julie Wyatt and I am presenting

3014
02:29:36,980 --> 02:29:41,220
 Z2411, DISD transportation facility.

3015
02:29:41,220 --> 02:29:45,260
 All right, so the request before you

3016
02:29:45,260 --> 02:29:50,260
 is to rezone approximately 10 acres owned by Denton ISD

3017
02:29:50,620 --> 02:29:54,140
 from our sixth district to public facilities district.

3018
02:29:54,140 --> 02:29:56,380
 The property is located or it's situated

3019
02:29:56,380 --> 02:29:59,620
 in the east side of town located just north

3020
02:29:59,620 --> 02:30:04,340
 of the Ryan High School campus, south of Mills Road.

3021
02:30:04,340 --> 02:30:07,140
 So kind of sandwich between those two.

3022
02:30:07,140 --> 02:30:09,660
 And it's shown in blue on your screen,

3023
02:30:09,660 --> 02:30:11,140
 the outline blue here.

3024
02:30:11,140 --> 02:30:13,260
 There you go.

3025
02:30:13,260 --> 02:30:16,140
 And really there are two purposes for this request.

3026
02:30:16,140 --> 02:30:20,860
 First is it's consistent with the city's typical practice

3027
02:30:20,860 --> 02:30:23,300
 of having public facilities zoning

3028
02:30:23,300 --> 02:30:25,420
 on properties owned by government entities

3029
02:30:25,420 --> 02:30:29,540
 in that city, state, county, and school.

3030
02:30:29,540 --> 02:30:32,580
 It's also intended to facilitate relocation

3031
02:30:32,580 --> 02:30:34,860
 of their transportation facility

3032
02:30:34,860 --> 02:30:37,780
 that is located just west of the subject property

3033
02:30:37,780 --> 02:30:40,300
 and it is outlined in yellow on your screen.

3034
02:30:40,300 --> 02:30:41,460
 So there's the current.

3035
02:30:41,460 --> 02:30:44,940
 The Denton development code classifies this use

3036
02:30:44,940 --> 02:30:46,860
 as a community service.

3037
02:30:46,860 --> 02:30:48,900
 It is important to note that community service

3038
02:30:48,900 --> 02:30:50,940
 is actually allowed in all zoning districts

3039
02:30:50,940 --> 02:30:52,460
 within the city of Denton.

3040
02:30:52,460 --> 02:30:54,620
 But this rezoning would help them develop

3041
02:30:54,620 --> 02:30:56,740
 in a way that those design standards

3042
02:30:56,740 --> 02:30:59,980
 would be consistent with the use that they're proposing.

3043
02:30:59,980 --> 02:31:04,860
 So we reviewed the case against the comprehensive plan

3044
02:31:04,860 --> 02:31:06,100
 and it is consistent.

3045
02:31:06,100 --> 02:31:08,660
 It's consistent with the future land use designation.

3046
02:31:08,660 --> 02:31:10,900
 First of all, the subject property is designated

3047
02:31:10,900 --> 02:31:12,340
 as low residential.

3048
02:31:12,340 --> 02:31:15,500
 Typically we see low density single family

3049
02:31:15,500 --> 02:31:16,780
 for low residential,

3050
02:31:16,780 --> 02:31:19,660
 but that category also includes the supporting services

3051
02:31:19,660 --> 02:31:21,220
 like educational facilities.

3052
02:31:21,220 --> 02:31:24,020
 And this PF district is consistent with that

3053
02:31:24,020 --> 02:31:27,100
 not only in zoning, but also in that use

3054
02:31:27,100 --> 02:31:31,660
 and that it does further that educational mission

3055
02:31:31,660 --> 02:31:32,820
 of Denton ISD.

3056
02:31:32,820 --> 02:31:34,900
 It's also consistent with our housing goals

3057
02:31:34,900 --> 02:31:37,820
 to provide those adequate public facilities

3058
02:31:37,820 --> 02:31:41,300
 and because it is consistent with that educational mission,

3059
02:31:41,300 --> 02:31:43,260
 it's consistent with that goal as well.

3060
02:31:43,260 --> 02:31:47,260
 We also looked at impacts to the surrounding property.

3061
02:31:47,260 --> 02:31:48,620
 This is kind of a unique case,

3062
02:31:48,620 --> 02:31:50,100
 something we don't see very often

3063
02:31:50,100 --> 02:31:52,980
 and that the use is actually located

3064
02:31:52,980 --> 02:31:56,340
 just about 420 feet from the proposed location.

3065
02:31:56,340 --> 02:31:58,900
 So it's really not introducing any new uses

3066
02:31:58,900 --> 02:32:01,020
 to the area or activities.

3067
02:32:01,020 --> 02:32:04,340
 There really is just shifting it toward the east.

3068
02:32:04,340 --> 02:32:07,340
 Any new development would have to meet current regulations

3069
02:32:07,340 --> 02:32:09,940
 and that includes things like street trees,

3070
02:32:09,940 --> 02:32:12,700
 screening, landscaping, buffering,

3071
02:32:12,700 --> 02:32:15,060
 and site design considerations.

3072
02:32:15,060 --> 02:32:17,620
 Because the use is existing and operational

3073
02:32:17,620 --> 02:32:18,820
 just down the street,

3074
02:32:18,820 --> 02:32:21,740
 we don't anticipate a significant increase in daily trips

3075
02:32:21,740 --> 02:32:23,340
 associated with it.

3076
02:32:23,340 --> 02:32:27,220
 And consistent with what they have currently

3077
02:32:27,220 --> 02:32:28,860
 on their transportation facility,

3078
02:32:28,860 --> 02:32:31,980
 they are proposing a right turn lane into the site

3079
02:32:31,980 --> 02:32:35,420
 that allow those buses to move out of the travel lanes

3080
02:32:35,420 --> 02:32:37,460
 to get in the subject property.

3081
02:32:37,460 --> 02:32:41,940
 And you can see, there's, I took a couple of photos

3082
02:32:41,940 --> 02:32:45,100
 and here's that existing right turn lane

3083
02:32:45,100 --> 02:32:46,820
 into the current facility.

3084
02:32:46,820 --> 02:32:51,100
 And here is a photo of the future location.

3085
02:32:51,100 --> 02:32:54,660
 Public outreach was sent out.

3086
02:32:54,660 --> 02:32:56,660
 We did hear from one community member

3087
02:32:56,660 --> 02:32:58,220
 and I think you got that email.

3088
02:32:58,220 --> 02:33:00,300
 There were concerns about Mills Road

3089
02:33:00,300 --> 02:33:02,060
 as well as some security on the side.

3090
02:33:02,060 --> 02:33:04,820
 I think we addressed the security question

3091
02:33:04,820 --> 02:33:09,820
 at work session in that they will fence

3092
02:33:09,820 --> 02:33:13,540
 and make sure that those buses are in a secured area.

3093
02:33:13,540 --> 02:33:16,860
 We've also forwarded the community members' concerns

3094
02:33:16,860 --> 02:33:19,620
 about Mills Road to our transportation folks

3095
02:33:19,620 --> 02:33:21,580
 so that they can start reviewing the area

3096
02:33:21,580 --> 02:33:22,860
 and see if there are any improvements

3097
02:33:22,860 --> 02:33:26,180
 that can be made to increase the safety in Mills Road.

3098
02:33:26,180 --> 02:33:28,580
 And we've also forwarded it to our police department

3099
02:33:28,580 --> 02:33:31,700
 just so that they are aware of concerns on Mills Road.

3100
02:33:33,660 --> 02:33:35,580
 So based upon the criteria for approval,

3101
02:33:35,580 --> 02:33:38,620
 staff does recommend approval of the request.

3102
02:33:38,620 --> 02:33:41,220
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

3103
02:33:41,220 --> 02:33:43,420
 The applicant or a representative of the applicant

3104
02:33:43,420 --> 02:33:45,220
 is also here to answer any questions

3105
02:33:45,220 --> 02:33:48,540
 that you may have regarding the proposal of the request.

3106
02:33:48,540 --> 02:33:49,940
 The anticipated council date,

3107
02:33:49,940 --> 02:33:52,420
 if it moves forward tonight, would be December 3rd.

3108
02:33:52,420 --> 02:33:56,220
 - Thank you, Julie.

3109
02:33:56,220 --> 02:33:57,500
 Any questions for Julie?

3110
02:33:57,500 --> 02:34:03,100
 This is a public hearing.

3111
02:34:03,100 --> 02:34:06,220
 The only card I have in front of me is Mr. Lee,

3112
02:34:06,220 --> 02:34:09,420
 who is not here in attendance.

3113
02:34:09,420 --> 02:34:13,900
 So is there anyone here wishing to speak on this item?

3114
02:34:13,900 --> 02:34:15,860
 Yeah, come on down.

3115
02:34:15,860 --> 02:34:21,460
 If you will give us your name, your time will begin.

3116
02:34:21,460 --> 02:34:22,300
 Hi.

3117
02:34:22,300 --> 02:34:24,100
 - Sure, hi, my name is Amanda Collins.

3118
02:34:24,100 --> 02:34:27,760
 I live on Kenningham, excuse me, which is just off of Mills.

3119
02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:31,540
 I'm a newbie here, so I didn't fill out my card.

3120
02:34:31,540 --> 02:34:34,140
 I'm sorry, I'll do that next time I'm here.

3121
02:34:34,140 --> 02:34:37,060
 But I just wanted to say that I am in favor of it.

3122
02:34:37,060 --> 02:34:40,380
 I don't have any large concerns.

3123
02:34:40,380 --> 02:34:43,460
 I feel like my house was on one of the maps

3124
02:34:43,460 --> 02:34:44,300
 that was shown up there,

3125
02:34:44,300 --> 02:34:45,860
 'cause that's how close we are to Mills Road

3126
02:34:45,860 --> 02:34:49,100
 and to this new, I don't wanna say development,

3127
02:34:49,100 --> 02:34:51,300
 but project that's gonna happen.

3128
02:34:51,300 --> 02:34:55,100
 I think, again, we are concerned about the road.

3129
02:34:55,100 --> 02:34:56,940
 I've lived here in that particular house

3130
02:34:56,940 --> 02:34:59,380
 for about 11 years and 10 years.

3131
02:34:59,380 --> 02:35:02,300
 And the amount of times that we have gone head on

3132
02:35:02,300 --> 02:35:03,660
 with other cars because of people

3133
02:35:03,660 --> 02:35:06,060
 walking up and down the roads,

3134
02:35:06,060 --> 02:35:08,340
 the amount of times that we have gone head on

3135
02:35:08,340 --> 02:35:10,860
 just because of how narrow the roads are,

3136
02:35:10,860 --> 02:35:13,920
 there's no room for air, there's no sidewalks,

3137
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:15,260
 people have to walk in the road

3138
02:35:15,260 --> 02:35:19,740
 or they're walking in these unmaintained deep ditches.

3139
02:35:19,740 --> 02:35:21,820
 And so that's really, I think,

3140
02:35:21,820 --> 02:35:23,900
 the biggest concern for a lot of people.

3141
02:35:23,900 --> 02:35:28,060
 But like I said, I think that what could be going there,

3142
02:35:28,060 --> 02:35:30,260
 when we saw that both of those two residential properties

3143
02:35:30,260 --> 02:35:32,700
 had been sold is always very scary

3144
02:35:32,700 --> 02:35:33,740
 'cause you don't know what's going in.

3145
02:35:33,740 --> 02:35:35,580
 So my vote is yes, I would love to see it

3146
02:35:35,580 --> 02:35:36,460
 go to the school district.

3147
02:35:36,460 --> 02:35:38,220
 I would love to see it,

3148
02:35:38,220 --> 02:35:39,580
 or it has gone to the school district,

3149
02:35:39,580 --> 02:35:41,500
 but I would love to see the school district utilize it,

3150
02:35:41,500 --> 02:35:43,700
 especially that I have two small kids at home

3151
02:35:43,700 --> 02:35:45,360
 and they're gonna grow up and go to Denton Ryan.

3152
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:47,660
 And so, like I said, I just wanted to say

3153
02:35:47,660 --> 02:35:48,740
 that I'm in favor of it,

3154
02:35:48,740 --> 02:35:51,040
 just concerned about the road issue as well,

3155
02:35:51,040 --> 02:35:53,140
 but that's my two cents about it.

3156
02:35:53,140 --> 02:35:54,540
 So thank you for listening. - Appreciate the same.

3157
02:35:54,540 --> 02:35:55,620
 Thank you very much.

3158
02:35:58,820 --> 02:36:01,820
 - Okay, is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

3159
02:36:01,820 --> 02:36:04,420
 Okay, seeing none, I'll go ahead

3160
02:36:04,420 --> 02:36:06,340
 and close the public hearing.

3161
02:36:06,340 --> 02:36:09,100
 And I will open the floor for a motion or discussion.

3162
02:36:09,100 --> 02:36:10,820
 Commissioner Perdom.

3163
02:36:10,820 --> 02:36:12,540
 - Yes, Julie, if I could just ask a question.

3164
02:36:12,540 --> 02:36:15,320
 Do you know if there's any existing speed reduction devices

3165
02:36:15,320 --> 02:36:16,820
 on the road right now,

3166
02:36:16,820 --> 02:36:18,660
 just because we did have the comment

3167
02:36:18,660 --> 02:36:20,660
 from the member of the public related to speed?

3168
02:36:20,660 --> 02:36:22,820
 - As far as like a school zone?

3169
02:36:22,820 --> 02:36:25,220
 - Or anything to reduce speed?

3170
02:36:25,220 --> 02:36:26,820
 - Not that I'm aware of right now.

3171
02:36:26,820 --> 02:36:28,980
 And I drove it this morning to take the picture,

3172
02:36:28,980 --> 02:36:31,220
 and I did not see any school zones,

3173
02:36:31,220 --> 02:36:34,140
 but once again, our transportation folks,

3174
02:36:34,140 --> 02:36:35,780
 it's on their radar.

3175
02:36:35,780 --> 02:36:37,260
 I'll make sure to follow up with them

3176
02:36:37,260 --> 02:36:40,940
 to see if there's anything that can be done.

3177
02:36:40,940 --> 02:36:41,780
 - Okay, thank you.

3178
02:36:41,780 --> 02:36:42,740
 - Sure.

3179
02:36:42,740 --> 02:36:44,460
 Commissioner Perdom.

3180
02:36:44,460 --> 02:36:45,460
 - Thank you, Chair.

3181
02:36:45,460 --> 02:36:48,820
 I actually have a question for the applicant representative.

3182
02:36:48,820 --> 02:36:50,220
 Did you say someone was here?

3183
02:36:50,220 --> 02:36:54,740
 As you're coming up,

3184
02:36:54,740 --> 02:36:57,300
 well, I'll wait for you to introduce yourself, sorry.

3185
02:36:57,300 --> 02:36:59,860
 - Yes, my name is Anthony Milvitz

3186
02:36:59,860 --> 02:37:04,020
 with TNP 3200 South Interstate 35E.

3187
02:37:04,020 --> 02:37:04,860
 - Okay.

3188
02:37:04,860 --> 02:37:08,020
 Do you have any information on

3189
02:37:08,020 --> 02:37:16,340
 why the choice of the moving the location?

3190
02:37:16,340 --> 02:37:19,260
 I think the information we got from staff

3191
02:37:19,260 --> 02:37:23,620
 was we wanna move the bus service facility,

3192
02:37:23,620 --> 02:37:26,500
 and then perhaps have some more field area

3193
02:37:26,500 --> 02:37:28,980
 where the existing facility is.

3194
02:37:28,980 --> 02:37:33,980
 Understand that not opposed to the process

3195
02:37:33,980 --> 02:37:36,780
 of moving the pieces around the board,

3196
02:37:36,780 --> 02:37:37,780
 I'm just trying to understand

3197
02:37:37,780 --> 02:37:39,780
 that seems like a very expensive option.

3198
02:37:39,780 --> 02:37:42,580
 - Yeah, I understand.

3199
02:37:42,580 --> 02:37:47,620
 They're just out of space, frankly,

3200
02:37:47,620 --> 02:37:49,460
 at the current transportation facility.

3201
02:37:49,460 --> 02:37:51,860
 It's just about five acres,

3202
02:37:51,860 --> 02:37:54,660
 and the new facility is almost 10 acres.

3203
02:37:54,660 --> 02:37:56,620
 It's a space thing.

3204
02:37:56,620 --> 02:37:58,500
 You'll notice a lot of the buses

3205
02:37:58,500 --> 02:38:00,660
 are parked outside of the facility,

3206
02:38:00,660 --> 02:38:03,220
 just either they're needing maintenance

3207
02:38:03,220 --> 02:38:04,940
 or they're just not in use.

3208
02:38:04,940 --> 02:38:08,420
 And that would provide the ability

3209
02:38:08,420 --> 02:38:10,980
 to have all those behind a secure fence

3210
02:38:10,980 --> 02:38:13,020
 and enough space for operations.

3211
02:38:13,020 --> 02:38:14,980
 - Thank you, that makes sense.

3212
02:38:14,980 --> 02:38:19,980
 It's just from eyeballing the existing concreted area,

3213
02:38:19,980 --> 02:38:21,740
 it looked like it was about the same size,

3214
02:38:21,740 --> 02:38:23,460
 but I guess some of that area is devoted

3215
02:38:23,460 --> 02:38:25,260
 to a different use or something right now.

3216
02:38:25,260 --> 02:38:26,660
 Yeah, okay, thank you.

3217
02:38:26,660 --> 02:38:27,500
 - No problem.

3218
02:38:27,500 --> 02:38:28,740
 - Thank you for being here.

3219
02:38:28,740 --> 02:38:29,580
 And Commissioner Prud,

3220
02:38:29,580 --> 02:38:31,980
 thank you for answering that, asking that question.

3221
02:38:31,980 --> 02:38:34,340
 Yeah, I've had the same question

3222
02:38:34,340 --> 02:38:37,140
 'cause it looks like it was way more complicated to do that,

3223
02:38:37,140 --> 02:38:39,220
 but knowing that you're doubling in size

3224
02:38:39,220 --> 02:38:42,220
 now makes complete sense.

3225
02:38:42,220 --> 02:38:44,500
 Commissioner Villarreal.

3226
02:38:44,500 --> 02:38:47,540
 - Move approval.

3227
02:38:47,540 --> 02:38:48,380
 - Commissioner Pedro.

3228
02:38:48,380 --> 02:38:49,380
 - I second.

3229
02:38:49,380 --> 02:38:51,980
 - Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval.

3230
02:38:51,980 --> 02:38:53,340
 Any other discussion?

3231
02:38:53,340 --> 02:38:56,140
 Okay, let's go ahead and vote please.

3232
02:38:56,140 --> 02:39:05,780
 That motion will carry for zero.

3233
02:39:05,780 --> 02:39:10,780
 Taking us to 5D, AESA 240003.

3234
02:39:10,780 --> 02:39:13,180
 I will open that public hearing

3235
02:39:13,180 --> 02:39:17,380
 and staff is requesting that we continue this item

3236
02:39:17,380 --> 02:39:20,260
 to the December 11th meeting.

3237
02:39:20,260 --> 02:39:22,540
 Commissioner Villarreal.

3238
02:39:22,540 --> 02:39:25,580
 - Move for continuance to the December 11th, 2024,

3239
02:39:25,580 --> 02:39:26,780
 planning and zoning meeting.

3240
02:39:26,780 --> 02:39:27,820
 - Okay, Commissioner Pedro.

3241
02:39:27,820 --> 02:39:28,660
 - I second.

3242
02:39:28,660 --> 02:39:30,260
 - Okay, we've got a first and a second

3243
02:39:30,260 --> 02:39:33,100
 to continue this item to the December 11th,

3244
02:39:33,100 --> 02:39:34,660
 planning and zoning meeting.

3245
02:39:34,660 --> 02:39:37,100
 We will leave the public hearing open.

3246
02:39:37,100 --> 02:39:38,220
 Any discussion?

3247
02:39:38,220 --> 02:39:40,500
 Okay, let's vote please.

3248
02:39:46,980 --> 02:39:48,860
 That motion carries for zero.

3249
02:39:48,860 --> 02:39:50,500
 That will take us to our planning

3250
02:39:50,500 --> 02:39:53,380
 and zoning commission project matrix.

3251
02:39:53,380 --> 02:39:55,740
 And I will give the floor to Tina.

3252
02:39:55,740 --> 02:40:00,780
 - Sorry, my space is not big enough.

3253
02:40:00,780 --> 02:40:05,180
 So with respect to matrix report,

3254
02:40:05,180 --> 02:40:09,340
 so this evening we did address two items on the matrix

3255
02:40:09,340 --> 02:40:10,700
 regarding receiving the update

3256
02:40:10,700 --> 02:40:13,540
 from the parks and recreation team about their master plan

3257
02:40:13,540 --> 02:40:15,340
 and then also regarding the tree fund.

3258
02:40:15,340 --> 02:40:19,380
 So we will go ahead and remove those items off the matrix,

3259
02:40:19,380 --> 02:40:20,860
 if that works for you all.

3260
02:40:20,860 --> 02:40:23,860
 There were no changes otherwise made to the matrix

3261
02:40:23,860 --> 02:40:27,580
 from your meeting last week or at the previous time.

3262
02:40:27,580 --> 02:40:32,260
 Also, we have no city council actions to report

3263
02:40:32,260 --> 02:40:33,660
 since we had our last planning

3264
02:40:33,660 --> 02:40:37,780
 and zoning commission meeting in speaking to city council

3265
02:40:37,780 --> 02:40:41,700
 for city council's benefit as well as for staff's

3266
02:40:41,700 --> 02:40:45,180
 so that we can make sure that we represent commissioners

3267
02:40:45,180 --> 02:40:46,820
 correctly.

3268
02:40:46,820 --> 02:40:49,260
 If you're gonna be voting in opposition to a motion,

3269
02:40:49,260 --> 02:40:51,020
 I do ask that you provide comments

3270
02:40:51,020 --> 02:40:53,300
 as to why you're gonna be voting in opposition.

3271
02:40:53,300 --> 02:40:56,820
 Reason being is 'cause council does ask that of us

3272
02:40:56,820 --> 02:40:59,660
 and so we wanna be able to answer them

3273
02:40:59,660 --> 02:41:02,580
 and represent any commissioner voting in opposition

3274
02:41:02,580 --> 02:41:03,660
 to a motion correctly.

3275
02:41:03,660 --> 02:41:06,260
 So if you could kindly help us with that,

3276
02:41:06,260 --> 02:41:07,900
 we would so greatly appreciate it.

3277
02:41:07,900 --> 02:41:08,740
 So thank you.

3278
02:41:08,740 --> 02:41:10,860
 - Thank you, Tina.

3279
02:41:10,860 --> 02:41:12,900
 Anything to add to the matrix?

3280
02:41:14,100 --> 02:41:18,100
 - Yeah, and I'll just completely piggyback on that

3281
02:41:18,100 --> 02:41:20,620
 'cause that's been a thing for me too.

3282
02:41:20,620 --> 02:41:21,540
 That is so important.

3283
02:41:21,540 --> 02:41:22,500
 It's important for the applicant.

3284
02:41:22,500 --> 02:41:23,340
 It's important for staff

3285
02:41:23,340 --> 02:41:26,180
 and it's certainly important to city council

3286
02:41:26,180 --> 02:41:31,180
 as they have the last word on these projects.

3287
02:41:31,180 --> 02:41:33,300
 Commissioner Prudt.

3288
02:41:33,300 --> 02:41:34,140
 - Thank you.

3289
02:41:34,140 --> 02:41:38,780
 I don't actually want this added to the matrix,

3290
02:41:38,780 --> 02:41:40,100
 but I wanna put a pin in it

3291
02:41:40,100 --> 02:41:43,380
 because I don't know when the right time will be.

3292
02:41:44,220 --> 02:41:45,980
 I did go back and look

3293
02:41:45,980 --> 02:41:48,380
 at that stormwater master plan very briefly.

3294
02:41:48,380 --> 02:41:53,380
 It looks like a different phase of work

3295
02:41:53,380 --> 02:41:58,380
 than our typical planning master plans

3296
02:41:58,380 --> 02:42:02,580
 in that it's really sort of a set of procedures and goals

3297
02:42:02,580 --> 02:42:06,780
 of how the analysis should be taken place

3298
02:42:06,780 --> 02:42:09,220
 to look at our stormwater infrastructure.

3299
02:42:09,220 --> 02:42:10,840
 So I imagine there's a lot of effort

3300
02:42:10,840 --> 02:42:13,380
 that has already started or will soon start

3301
02:42:13,380 --> 02:42:15,500
 to start looking at smaller areas

3302
02:42:15,500 --> 02:42:18,920
 before we would have any actionable information about them.

3303
02:42:18,920 --> 02:42:23,780
 But I may not be here

3304
02:42:23,780 --> 02:42:28,380
 or we may not know as a body when that occurs.

3305
02:42:28,380 --> 02:42:33,380
 So if there's a way of making sure as those smaller studies

3306
02:42:33,380 --> 02:42:36,320
 to show where the needs are

3307
02:42:36,320 --> 02:42:39,300
 at a more granular level within the city,

3308
02:42:39,300 --> 02:42:41,460
 start to become available and actionable

3309
02:42:41,460 --> 02:42:43,220
 from a land use perspective,

3310
02:42:43,220 --> 02:42:44,820
 I think that would be important.

3311
02:42:44,820 --> 02:42:48,420
 But it may be four years from now.

3312
02:42:48,420 --> 02:42:49,460
 Does that make sense?

3313
02:42:49,460 --> 02:42:54,500
 - I believe so.

3314
02:42:54,500 --> 02:42:58,820
 So let me paraphrase and see if I understood you correctly.

3315
02:42:58,820 --> 02:43:03,540
 So as those smaller drainage studies are being completed,

3316
02:43:03,540 --> 02:43:06,620
 you're wanting us to address it how

3317
02:43:06,620 --> 02:43:08,340
 with respect to land use?

3318
02:43:08,340 --> 02:43:13,340
 - Sure, just to understand what the needs are,

3319
02:43:13,340 --> 02:43:15,380
 especially as it pertains

3320
02:43:15,380 --> 02:43:17,580
 to already developed areas in the city.

3321
02:43:17,580 --> 02:43:20,140
 We've talked about infill before.

3322
02:43:20,140 --> 02:43:22,220
 Many times that's made more complex

3323
02:43:22,220 --> 02:43:23,920
 because of the drainage issues.

3324
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:29,580
 And so I think understanding what the long-term plans

3325
02:43:29,580 --> 02:43:32,780
 are for areas will help us feel more confident

3326
02:43:32,780 --> 02:43:36,740
 about development applications that come in

3327
02:43:36,740 --> 02:43:39,020
 where we see drainage issues existing

3328
02:43:39,020 --> 02:43:43,300
 as opposed to creating drainage issues with new development.

3329
02:43:43,300 --> 02:43:44,740
 Does that make sense?

3330
02:43:44,740 --> 02:43:46,120
 - Yes, thank you for explaining.

3331
02:43:46,120 --> 02:43:47,140
 - Thanks.

3332
02:43:47,140 --> 02:43:49,260
 - Thank you, Commissioner Brode.

3333
02:43:49,260 --> 02:43:52,540
 Yeah, and just on the note of the drainage issue,

3334
02:43:52,540 --> 02:43:55,800
 if there is anyone, and I don't know if that's possible,

3335
02:43:55,800 --> 02:43:57,100
 but if there is anyone from the city

3336
02:43:57,100 --> 02:44:00,340
 that can reach out to the Scots and Mr. Williams,

3337
02:44:00,340 --> 02:44:01,760
 we've got their information.

3338
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:05,180
 Clearly they've talked to the city before,

3339
02:44:05,180 --> 02:44:06,700
 at least the Scots have,

3340
02:44:06,700 --> 02:44:09,620
 and clearly have had communication with them,

3341
02:44:09,620 --> 02:44:14,620
 but something didn't happen with follow through

3342
02:44:14,620 --> 02:44:17,300
 or what have you, but can we just be proactive

3343
02:44:17,300 --> 02:44:19,500
 in at least reaching out to them?

3344
02:44:19,500 --> 02:44:22,980
 And again, I don't think it was the applicant's issue

3345
02:44:22,980 --> 02:44:27,580
 to have to hold on to, but I think it is the city's.

3346
02:44:27,580 --> 02:44:30,280
 And again, we all have drainage issues in this city.

3347
02:44:35,100 --> 02:44:38,460
 Personally, have had to put in a major French drain.

3348
02:44:38,460 --> 02:44:41,260
 So it certainly exists.

3349
02:44:41,260 --> 02:44:44,180
 There seems excessive, and then again,

3350
02:44:44,180 --> 02:44:46,700
 with their discussion with the city,

3351
02:44:46,700 --> 02:44:48,820
 I just want them to have a better,

3352
02:44:48,820 --> 02:44:51,220
 just a better, some closure.

3353
02:44:51,220 --> 02:44:54,020
 I mean, if it's on the list that things are being taken care

3354
02:44:54,020 --> 02:44:55,060
 of and it's being looked at,

3355
02:44:55,060 --> 02:44:57,860
 just that someone could communicate with them, please,

3356
02:44:57,860 --> 02:44:59,180
 I think would be really important.

3357
02:44:59,180 --> 02:45:00,020
 - Yes, ma'am, we can do that.

3358
02:45:00,020 --> 02:45:01,980
 - Thank you, appreciate that.

3359
02:45:01,980 --> 02:45:05,940
 Okay, anything else for the matrix or continuing items?

3360
02:45:05,940 --> 02:45:09,500
 Okay, let's go ahead then and adjourn at 8.34 p.m.

3361
02:45:09,500 --> 02:45:10,340
 Thank you.