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 good morning everyone welcome to the mobility committee today is Wednesday October the 30th

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 2024 tonight 10 a.m. council work session room it looks like we do have a quorum present

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 for the meeting and our first item is the citizens comment on agenda items this section

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 allows citizens to comment on any individual consideration on the agenda do we have any

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 has anybody heard of anyone okay thank you second items are individual consideration

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 a mc-24-033 consider approval of the minutes of September 25th 2024 I'm sure we all have

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 read those and absorbed those this morning can we get a move that we approve of minutes

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 this is great can we get a second second all right any discussion all right so can we get

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 a vote yeah your name okay that sounds like it is approved so thank you we're gonna go

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 on to be mc-24-034 receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the city of Denton

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 transportation mobility project status report so it says 45 minutes that's for your questions

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 because it won't take me that long as long as I can get somebody to help me turn it on

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 we will hold our questions to the end you know all this stuff already I'll just give

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 you the new stuff oh it's right there look at that okay we'll skip the summary that's

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 just the dollars that we're chasing about five billion dollars on all these different

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 projects I'm gonna make it a little bit smaller so on 35 north essentially what the order

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 of processing is good the order that we're gonna do this in is the the oh the purple

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 one oh seven six is being constructed now with a 455 project oh eight one will then

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 go next and then oh seven four at the bottom yellow will go next and then the green at

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 the top will go last and the reason we're holding that last one honestly is some of

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 the projects we have in Denton County like the 121 corporate project I don't know if

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 I told you about that that's about to go under the knife in Lewisville just south of where

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 the main streets already being built and if it comes in with a cost overrun they're gonna

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 borrow the money from that northern project for a year cycle so that's why they're holding

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 off on it so the northern project is that the green project takes it from North of Sanger

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 to the county line right you're gonna hold off on that one if something goes to see what

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 happens on the project in the south and we're working on utilities for each one of those

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 sections I give you the utilities we're working on y'all are primarily impacted by oh seven

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 four and that everything's running according to the process now this is the merge project

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 and we're gonna show you the map but this project you'll start to see start January

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 we had a pre-con and they're gonna get started in January of 2025 so they're giving you your

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 Thanksgiving and Christmas and then they're gonna break your world that's it's a painful

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 it's gonna be a very painful project it's 56 months long when the doctor says this is

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 gonna hurt a lot so you've been seeing a lot of utility movement out there that's that's

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 the game that we're doing I had to have a delayed start because of those utilities everything's

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 making its way through the process the contractor has been notified that January will be the

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 notice to proceed so yeah and as soon as it starts remember what we do as soon as we start

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 we'll then have a next page we'll have the construction report and we'll show you what

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 the status is on the project as it goes and we'll give you an estimated completion date

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 okay so the other part that's gonna probably make y'all's life miserable is the mayhill

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 job we're gonna let this in June right so June you got January the merge goes under

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 the knife hard and then in June this one will let and this is from 288 all the way south

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 the mayhill because remember we're going to be doing those direct connects over brinker

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 and so that will start and this is a like I said every time the mayhill interchange

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 will be bigger than the 288 interchange at golden triangle and so it's a big footprint

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 and there'll be lots of trauma there too okay I live off of that so I mean I always check

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 the the the map to see where the traffic is before I decide to head towards 35 sometimes

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 I'm gonna head towards Gainesville yeah again the utilities are the critical path but we've

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 got those if they're not highlighted that means they're not a problem if they are highlighted

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 that means we're just telling you what we did last okay so the frontage roads segment

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 this is a segment at city didn't interest to dance from 407 north to 24 not 24 2499

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 2449 2449 yes and that if for those that don't know that also is we'll show it that's also

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 will be absorbed in the 2449 will be absorbed into the Luke 288 job on the west we'll get

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 to that in a second WSP is doing the work we have a 213 million dollars and we have

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 a about a 213 million dollar job we're going to do we have to have a meeting with the city

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 staff and text that because I think there's a interchange and it slips my mind but it's

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 one of y'all's that they were planning on not building anything but the frontage roads

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 through that area but I think both the city of Denton and and the county are saying developments

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 going faster than we thought so we got to figure out a way to include it and if it's

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 a money thing then we're going to borrow it from that project north of Sanger so we're

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 going to have a meeting on this and then we'll be able to come back and tell you we'll give

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 you a schematic of what is and isn't included in that interim job you really are holding

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 your questions okay this is a little trade-outs for talking about this is 2449 but it will

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 be tight the loop will take over that portion of it and then there'll be a t-intersection

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 for 2449 here and then that's the loop going back up around past the airport back over

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 288 this job is supposed to be ready let in April of 2026 it's about 227 million dollars

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 it's a controlled access facility that means it has frontage roads and main lanes and grade

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 separation so you'll be great separated 380 it'll be great separate the railroad and the

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 other major arterials that the city's identified in the southern portion and when if we had

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 to face construct it we'll build the inside northbound frontage road first because that

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 allows development to come to the loop and establish connections that will be permanent

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 going forward okay and then because Luke 288 is on the north part is got a lot of development

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 impacting it we started the environmental clearance on that we're going to be done

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 July 25 which means we can protect the corridor we also need a meeting with city staff related

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 to Giesling area and a development that we need to work out but this is a again taken

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 288 which is a is a controlled access facility by permit and what we're going to do is build

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 it as a controlled access facility by structure which means we'll have frontage roads main

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 lanes and grade separations and that's you know ninety two million dollars right now

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 we've got Westwood on it with Mark Sluder working on that and we it also includes for

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 the next project I think this body break connection from 77 to the loop that's the y'all y'all

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 call that phase seven of Bonnie Bray we've included it in the 288 job because we needed

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 to and the state and the NPO is committed to fund that section so that's all yellow

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 it means there's that's different from your last month's meeting but pretty much everything

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 in there I've already told you about and that body ray seven segment seven I just showed

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 as an individual project but this is what's included in the 288 job and it'll has the

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 same schedule as the 28 north project okay FM 1515 we're going to be ready to let by

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 the probably the end of next year we had to back up and do some design modifications for

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 some of the companies there that let us know that they didn't like our design after we

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 had cleared so we had to go back and do a reval to change it and so we're back on track

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 it's a 70 million dollar roadway it'll be six lines when done and the intent is the

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 historically the intent has been the city has made commitments in the past that they

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 want to take this off system so they can manage it the way they want to manage it because

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 it goes right to your airport 1173 this is the north part so we're rerouting it as a

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 city requesting the third floor plan to Bartow Road and we're coming in to town and we're

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 working out some details with a crumb right now on they have angled parking and they have

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 parking in the middle of where median would be angle parking there well that's going to

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 go away so we're working with them on finding a we've done had to do this in 377 in our

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 gala as well find a way to do some adjacent parking and we've had luck in the past with

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 tech stock being able to include that in the project but we're ready to let August of next

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 year part of this will be built with the 35 job the merge because we go all the way up

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 to 77 but just past 77 so the tie-in for the new 1173 will be stubbed out there there's

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 a lot of utility I mean dried a lot of drainage issues here and we're going to do the crossing

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 at the railroad track is fairly expensive as well we'll skip the outer loop because you're

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 about to get inundated with that in a good way how about that elmond locus huh yeah tell

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 you what the city made it clear that they really wanted that thing done before Halloween

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 I'm not sure why but they got it done and y'all's partner with your staff and it was

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 it was they got it done I was when does the north part start recording this we're working

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 on it the tests that do with the timing of the county's issuance of their bonds so we're

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 probably looking at another issuance in the first of the year so that you don't take out

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 650 million dollars you take it out in tranches as you need it so it'll probably be an authority

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 issuance and then we'll partner with the city on that northern partner goes all the way

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 to 380 yeah so just a cash flow issue all right and the further the rest of y'all those

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 are just we usually do a test at the end to see if y'all know what these acronyms are

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 without looking but you know you've been doing really well but not calling out acronyms yes

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 I tried my my wife said she was gonna be watching so I had to yeah so questions I mean you guys

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 are usually peppered me all right I'm sure some questions came through and you're ready

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 for questions and and this this is likely a me problem I was thinking that we numbered

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 Bonnie Bray the numbers from north to south is that incorrect from south to north south

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 to north okay so your your Bonnie Bray is seven so the reason they're that way is because

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 we started in the south first the county in the previous bond program we had money with

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 the city to build Bonnie Bray from the south of southern terminus north past vintage and

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 then the next segment and then during that time we also added vintage where we took it

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 from Bonnie Bray and took it back over to the to the to the frontage road for the 35

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 w so we started in the south and we've been like creeping north okay and then the very

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 very big first of your presentation page three is it is that yeah three um where specifically

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 does the construction start on 35 w and 35 e go to the marriage you want to merge okay

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 so I get that question a lot and the answer is everywhere because they had once the contract

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 signed the contractor has full rights to that entire corridor we what the first thing we'll

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 do in January is we'll get you their their their intent on where they're going to work

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 and what their phasing is and we've been the staff that was there they proposed a phasing

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 of that project at the at the kickoff meeting and and we can we can share that to you on

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 a regular basis but it changes with circumstances so they can start everywhere because it's

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 not they don't go build it in increments they build it from the you know below ground up

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 and so they have to do all the underground work all the grading in in linear links and

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 then they put the road up and typically where the road to this is this big they have a lot

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 of areas they can work outside of the existing lanes if you go drive down 35 and I'm not

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 encouraging you to do that but if you get to Dallas North Dallas where they're doing

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 that design build project you'll see they've been able to build almost half the project

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 on the on the on the I'm going to call it the west side not really having to touch any

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 of the main lanes yet because they're building big structures that's how wide the roads are

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 going to be it's the same thing here that's all I got all right good you ready yep okay

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 so do I don't want to get into the outer loop segments but do we know on the 74 CSJ in the

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 first project do is the plans county plans for the rodeo alignment and how that's fitting

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 in finalized they'll have that okay all right cool and then yeah I wrote my notes for the

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 merge of five years of hell that's my only note I don't think I said that it's painful

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 okay for the the 288 where we the right of way acquisition is on hold man I was hoping

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 you know I wouldn't notice that because I get in trouble every time I answer this text

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 dot and as a whole had a reduction in their revenue stream because they peaked at 2024

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 that was I don't know why they would shoot for that that year this year but every year

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 after that till 2030 it's kind of the funds are going down in order to level off that

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 decline they took money out of their developer authority and they took money out of the district

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 discretionary funds to put into construction so for example the Dallas district submitted

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 for their construction budget I mean engineering budget consultant budget well about 1.9 billion

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 dollars and the commission cut it to 1.4 so they got they were doing their problem is

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 they were doing too good job at getting these projects ready and when they get them ready

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 they find the money to let and that includes buying the right away and utilities in advance

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 of these projects being funded they don't have enough money in the right away budget

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 either now and so what the district has been telling us we have to say is that they are

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 prioritizing they're not stopping projects they're just prioritizing projects that are

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 currently funded so it's not currently funded but you get your funding by getting it ready

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 to let so it's a chicken and the egg circular I think by next year though we'll have this

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 resolved because they do see this is impacting a lot of projects statewide but what the county's

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 doing and what we encourage everybody to do is we're doing a lot of these projects we're

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 doing outside of their cash flow so we pay for the engineering we do all the work and

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 so we're going to have our projects further along because all these other projects that

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 they're having to put on hold some of their putting on hold from a design standpoint as

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 well we'll keep moving on ours outside of their system so that we're when the money

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 does come back we're further along in the process and we can make ourselves whole out

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 of out of the funding when it does materialize so I get that question too what the county

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 has been doing for 30 years is they do the advanced planning and I haven't the county

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 hasn't had to put money into construction for these projects for a very long time because

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 we get the environmental clearance done in the schematic the done the right-of-way map

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 done and then a lot of times we do the PS any as well so we put in you know somewhere

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 in the neighborhood of 8 to 9 percent of the total cost of the project but rarely none

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 of the construction itself so that's where we get our money back okay I also know okay

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 this will probably you can tell me if this is in the outer loops bits or not but because

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 I'm thinking y'all had that meeting with the the Kingsway folks for the emergency access

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 to 288 do we get any take homes out of that it just said you had a meeting yeah I don't

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 do the technical stuff so I'm hoping your staff knows that but we're doing whatever

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 we got to do to keep those people understanding what we're doing so I can get you that answer

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 like after this okay and then the do we have any clue what happened on the the Elman Locust

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 asphalt quality failures what what went wrong are you talking about on Eagle yeah for the

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 first segment that we we pushed through and got got in twice before the whole lean activities

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 so the only part I know was is that there there was some heaving of the pavement due

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 to a drainage pipe being clogged but I don't know what that I've not seen that yet from

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 from yeah Elman Locust that that you in there south of downtown we had to have a read you

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 know torn up and rebuilt right we it was that was a that's what I was told that the heaving

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 was caused because the pipe got was cleared by debris I'm not sure what debris and it

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 pushed up yeah I was wondering coming up Trevor crane director of capital projects so since

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 tech stop was running that project we didn't ask for all the testing reports those types

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 of things so I don't know the actual reason why the pavement failed but they only had

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 to replace the wearing course so it wasn't a subgrade issue my assumption is it was something

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 to do with the asphalt mix or when they placed it that it was either too hot too cold there's

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 a lot of things that could have happened but the testing came back said that it didn't

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 meet our specifications so tech stop made them remove the wearing course and put down

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 the correct product that that appreciate that that's all my they didn't ask me for any money

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 so I didn't know about it yes so you said that text on is having its funding go down

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 till 2030 is that going to return to the like current level at 2030 or just talk a little

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 bit more about that situation please it's very difficult because so it's cyclical under

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 cyclical everyone to say it like I've been doing this for about 30 plus years and funding

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 what typically happens is you have money in an account and the legislators and I don't

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 mean this in any disrespectful way they see the text that still has five six seven billion

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 dollars in their account and they think they don't need any money with the problem is that

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 they're already allocated four years out to project so the money is not spent but it's

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 encumbered and so when they come back and ask for more money they're going you haven't

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 spent what you got and that's a that's a perennial problem we have that's why this last cycle

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 the commission not only spent a hundred billion dollars a year for the two year by annum they

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 also have a let mark that they want everybody hit that's why we're telling you if you have

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 a lot date you have to hit your lead date because they want to keep their their funding

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 allocations up because they get scrutinized by the state and so they've taken away tools

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 from us so that's also hard but it's just cyclical I mean if they they sometimes they

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 give us money sometimes they don't and when this crop that's there now goes awake this

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 is like the fifth one I've gone through we're preparing to go back to what works and they

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 that's controlling congestion through these total managed lanes so a lot of these facilities

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 we're building or planning to build or will accommodate that refit and the reason I say

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 that is is the previous 10 years before 2020 and on we built 21 billion dollars worth of

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 roads with seven billion dollars worth of money from the state and that's because we

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 used all those tools that we originally had now we don't have but it's just cyclical and

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 then the thing is is if I'm working for you you don't panic in the valley right you just

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 keep moving because when they do bring back the money they want to show instant success

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 and if you stalled when you didn't think there's any money and you kept going and when the

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 money shows you're further ahead than everybody else you get funded first so I don't really

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 it doesn't really bother me this is the first time in 30 years except for the Maharishi where

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 they didn't have money for right away.

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 That's interesting thank you for giving us that you know that lesson that's a lesson

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 lesson learned did you have any questions at all okay well I had one question in particular

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 I'm always interested in that 380 to exchange to 288 and I drive out that way kind of frequently

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 and I haven't in my vision figured out where that's exactly going to be we've got a drawn

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 it that I apparently missed it's okay all that means is I can we can send you some some

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 dot shut drawings on it but the drawing that Chandra and I were talking about yesterday

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 which shows the the technically and locally preferred alignment on that property that's

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 in question and it does clip some of their development so we've got to address that so

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 we know generally I mean enough to tell a building that it's going to lose a corner

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 if it doesn't move yeah it's not built yet where the alignment is but it's again we're

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 talking about being cleared next summer yeah so we're we've got an alignment that we believe

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 everybody's happy with and for some reason because that area appears to be congested

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 to me it may be the canopy or whatever it is it appears to be congested to me and in

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 my mind I'm thinking of a ramp you know of some sort that is going to come above so it

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 essentially there isn't some elevation to it because you have to what's going to happen

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 is if you're coming west on 380 and you want to go on to 288 you'll drive and you'll go

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 up onto the connection ramps and go straight and it becomes 288 and it goes right into

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 288 Windsor Kings Row and you just keep going okay if you want to go into town and you want

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 to hit 288 south of where we're going north you'll exit come down and under the ramp going

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 up and go to the existing 288 and then you can go into town or go south on the so it

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 is a it's elevated in areas but we also reduce the design speed I think down from 70 to 60

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 miles an hour which gives us a little tighter right curve you'd think people that are up

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 on a bridge would want to drive slower anyway so we're serpentine through there so if you're

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 in the coming going west on 380 you need to be over in the further two right lanes to

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 do your business on 288 that's where you want to be on the outside lines to get to anything

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 on the at grade okay great thank you I'll get an exhibit for you okay that'll be great

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 I don't have any additional questions but I certainly do appreciate and I think we all

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 appreciate you coming through and and being transparent with us on some of the stuff that's

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 happening I don't have a good enough memory to lie to people I mean either I'm really

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 really I'm good at that or bad at that I don't know which every way but also I'm also very

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 excited about the Mayhill project yeah just getting off the freeway now and going over

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 to Mayhill to you know off the bypassing that 288 yep you all that's a good job I mean we're

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 all excited I use it all the time now I mean I live out there so yeah yeah I do too I like

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 it and then what about that Woodrow North South part that goes to the Edwards going over that

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 little railroad track it's at a city question over there about Mayhill you know how Mayhill

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 hits a Woodrow and then you can go over Woodrow and instead of going over Woodrow I might

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 want to make a right turn and go towards my home if I lived over if I lived over to the

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 right to Edwards y'all know where it was am I seeing the right road?

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 but yeah so the Mayhill project did it did limit the right hand turn if you're going

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 north on Mayhill you can no longer turn right and go over the DCTA tracks so you'll have

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 to go straight over the Mayhill bridge and back around if you want to do that same thing

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 if you're on the other side you've got to take a right come all the way back to Mayhill

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 and then come over the bridge so it's going to stay like that it's going to stay like

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 that yes ma'am that was the whole intent though is to not have that great crossing and I actually

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 live back there and I do that what he just said you gotta go around yeah all day long

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 it's okay it's way better than it ever was okay okay well I haven't done that so but

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 I've been kind of looking over there and seeing what's going on um well if that's it do you

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 have anything else it seemed like you wanted to say something all right well thank you

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 very much I'll be back in a second with these guys okay thank you okay um we're we're going

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 to move on to CMC two four days zero three five receiver report and hold a discussion

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 regarding the Denton County outer loop so excited we're excited so I have a presentation today

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 I'll introduce myself in just a second it's a little long so I'll try to go through it

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 quickly so we can get plenty of time for Q&A I'd love to get to your you know what you

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 guys are concerned about so let me introduce myself I'm Tony Kimme I work with LGA engineering

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 I'm the project manager on the Denton County outer loop project of course what we're doing

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 is trying to clear that corridor schematically and environmentally so that the corridor can

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 be protected as we go forward I have Madeline Shepherd with me over here she's with one

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 of our partner firms and she's heading up all of the outreach associated with the project

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 public involvement everything else associated with that project so this is what we're going

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 to talk about today I don't want to go too deep into it other than just to say I'll try

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 to rush through this and just you know so that everybody understands where we've been

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 and where we're going so this shows our study area for the project you can see over there

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 on I-35 to the to the west and Dallas North Tollway to the east it's about 35 miles between

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 those two excuse me about 23 miles between those two and our study area goes all the

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 way up to 455 to the north and all the way down to loop 288 and 380 to the south.

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 This is part of our regional outer loop so this project will team up with other counties

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 in order to provide an outer loop for the region you can see the Denton County portion

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 there in green and then it continues through Collin County Rockwall County Kauffman County

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 and hopefully someday through Ellis County as well. One of the things that we just concluded

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 was our feasibility study we've been working on that a little over a year and through that

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 study and I'll get into more detail on that in just a second but through that we were

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 able to develop the purpose and need for this project so it's important to understand the

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 purpose and need it's the factual foundation to screen and compare design alternatives

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 and demonstrate through measurable and quantifiable metrics where improvements are needed. I don't

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 think there's any surprise to anybody that lives in Denton County that some of the things

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 that are driving the need for the project include things like rapid and current rapid

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 current and projected population and traffic growth. Also we've seen a lot of higher crash

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 rates on these roadways than you normally would see statewide from a statewide average

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 perspective and then you also have in this part of the county you have a really limited

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 mobility from an east-west contiguous east-west standpoint. FM428 of course exists out there

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 but it has its problems for sure and so those are the types of things that we look at when

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 we do our need for the project. The purpose of the proposed project within the project

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 limits is to address population and traffic growth of course and also to support a safe

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 and resilient east-west mobility and for east-west mobility and connectivity. I'll break that

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 down a little bit more you know again this is just kind of rehashing what you already

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 know but the growth between 2010 and 2020 the the county grew by almost 40 percent and

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 we see that growth continuing and right now the projections are that the county will be

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 north of 1.5 million people by 2045. You can see in the middle there where we're talking

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 about the crash rates that that top portion in the middle there that is what we call a

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 crash heat map. It shows you where we have accidents of varying different types through

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 the corridor you can see again if it's showing in a red color that means it's higher than

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 a statewide average for those type of roadways and you can see there in the Denton area of

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 course we have some issues associated with transportation and also in the Aubrey area.

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 And then also we went ahead and took some of the traffic projections that the North

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 Central Council of Government provides us and we applied them to the current system

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 down there on the bottom you can see a lot of red and that just means that those existing

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 systems will fail as the population continues to grow and also the traffic continues to

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 grow and then I'm just demonstrating on the far right the connectivity issues that we

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 talked about as far as east west movement. Guess what guys land is being developed quickly

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 so between 2015 and 2021 more than 20,000 acres were developed in Denton County and

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 just for our project limits within the study area we have at least 5,000 acres of additional

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 land that are you know within the study area that are planned for development and then

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 to red means it's closer to actually go into construction. Just to let you know there have

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 been various background studies we've incorporated all that information into our feasibility

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 study probably the most recent one they concluded in 2019 was by North Central Texas Council

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 of Governments called the Denton Greenbelt Corridor Feasibility Study they did determine

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 that a freeway was needed they actually came up with a couple of alignments we study those

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 alignments and incorporate them into our feasibility studies we went forward. So where are we at

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 now right we've concluded that and now we're moving into the environmental impact study

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 phase so with that environmental impact study it requires us to conduct more in-depth environmental

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 studies and we've been able to so far and also to develop schematic design for various

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 alternatives and we're going to go over those in just a second here. Okay so an environmental

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 impact statement I won't read all of this things but there are a couple of important

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 parts to know about that first off an environmental impact statement is required by the National

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 Environmental Policy Act or NEPA that's by the way one of the acronyms that John had

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 of their proposed actions prior to making decisions if the project is to receive federal

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 funding it must adhere to NEPA and of course something this large you want federal funding

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 to be involved. By the way the environmental impact statement or the EIS is the most rigorous

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 level of environmental review under NEPA and is prepared when it's anticipated that the

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 project could significantly affect the quality of human and natural environment. Let's see

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 if there's anything else I want to cover on this. Denton County intends to obtain the

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 environmental clearance for the project from TxDOT through the NEPA process so that federal

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 funds can be applied and also we want to do that as quickly as possible so that the corridor

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 can be protected from future development and then you know based on NEPA process TxDOT

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 determined that the project will now be classified or how it will now be classified and prepared

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 as an EIS that will evaluate a range of build and no build alternatives. So this breaks

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 down the EIS phase a little bit more and it's important to know the feasibility phase far

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 left is we've already concluded and the EIS phase just started and we're starting that

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 with scoping meetings both agency scoping meetings and public scoping meetings. We had

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 our first agency scoping meeting we had about three weeks ago that's with all the resource

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 agencies associated think of like the Corps of Engineers, Texas Parks and Wildlife those

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 types of folks and we had our first public scoping meeting last night and we're having

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 our second one in the series tonight here in Denton. We had about 260 folks show up

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 last night so it was really good to see them and we've had other public meetings so a lot

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 of them were familiar faces. Excuse me where did you have that meeting last night? We had

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 this one in Pilot Point at Midway Church. Tonight it's at NBC Suites. Right thank you

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 John. We also had to issue a notice of intent this goes into the Federal Register we did

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 that what thank you September 27th. That is significant first it really alerts everybody

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 in the country that this project is going to an EIS but it also sets us on a two year

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 clock so we have two years to conclude the EIS process. The next phase that we go into

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 is what we call analysis and public meeting that's where we're going to analyze alternatives

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 and carry those forward we're going to go much deeper into those which means we're going

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 to develop more schematic designs we're also going to host additional public meetings.

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 The next big significant one after that and this is important is that we go into what

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 we call the draft EIS and the public hearing. So we go into this pub that's around a public

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 meetings and we will have various alternatives that we've evaluated and we'll present that

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 to the public and those will be fully evaluated and you'll see some of the details on that

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 in just a minute but when we get to this public hearing right before that we have to submit

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 the draft EIS and in that document it will identify the preferred alternative and that's

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 what everybody's waiting for right so. Who are you submitting that to? So we submit that

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 document to TxDOT through their environmental folks and then that goes through an entire

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 state resource agencies as well but one thing I want to let you all know is that we will

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 host a meeting with elected officials and we do this in a special way so that we're

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 not creating a quorum problem or anything like that but we will conduct these meetings

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 right before we publish the draft EIS so that the public you know the elected officials

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 know about what and it's usually like right before that I mean it's a day or two before

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 we actually submit the draft EIS. At that public hearing we will go over that preferred

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 towards the final EIS and we'll look over some schedules here in just a second but this

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 the feasibility study started out with 48 different alternative alignments so we started

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 kind of from ground zero even though we did incorporate previous studies we wanted to

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 look at everything and some of this was based on feedback that we had seen in the previous

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 studies and we wanted to make sure that we put those to rest in this process and during

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 our public meeting number one in May we actually showed that process how we went from those

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 48 down to the seven that you see there on the bottom of the slide and then eventually

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 these two most feasible alternatives going forward. We refer to those as the red and

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 we chose on that I just want everybody to know at this point in time anyway that was

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 a weak attempt at a joke. We got it and we all laughed. That'll be really fun next Wednesday.

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 Right I guess you know depending on your point of view right so now we're going to talk about

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00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,640
 alternatives right so before I talked about alignments now we're talking about alternatives

405
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,840
 so then county and textile must identify an alternative that would best accomplish the

406
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,840
 purpose and need the build alternative segments shown on the next slide are based on the data

407
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,720
 collected during the feasibility study and all the process and we've done up to this

408
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:51,960
 point combinations of these segments make up for end to end build alternatives to be

409
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,040
 evaluated by the process. One of the things that's important to know is that when we do

410
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:02,600
 an EIS we have to have at least two build alternatives go through the entire process

411
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,320
 and then we also have to have the no build alternative and that's the next bullet. Evaluation

412
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,640
 of the no build would look at the impact of what will happen if no freeway is built but

413
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,400
 projected population and traffic continue to grow it will also account for other roadway

414
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,800
 improvements in the study area so basically any roadway that you have in your thoroughfare

415
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,760
 plan or any other city that we're going through within the study area those roadways will

416
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:31,240
 be assumed as being fully built let's say by 2045 or 2050 also improvements to FM 428

417
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,760
 which is the best east west corridor that we have in this part of the county will also

418
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:43,240
 be expanded to at least a six lane arterial as part of that no build analysis and then

419
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,760
 you know there will be modifications as we go forward there'll be some tweaking to what

420
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:53,920
 you've seen already on the screen. So how do we come up with four we divided the project

421
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,760
 into the west sub area the central sub area and the east sub area and the central sub

422
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,880
 area is dominated by the green belt that runs between the two lakes. Highly sensitive environmentally

423
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,760
 there's a bunch of stuff we'll go over in a minute but there's a lot of stuff that really

424
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,080
 dictated that the all the alignments needed to run on the existing FM 428 alignment through

425
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:18,560
 that area. So what you see is then the west segment has kind of an A and a B you see some

426
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,280
 A1's B1's and B2's and that kind of stuff those are just some other alternatives that

427
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,000
 we're studying those will be hopefully eliminated here in the next few months as we go in and

428
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,120
 do what we call a micro study of those particular areas and then of course you see D and E there

429
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:40,280
 on the east sub area. So these four alternatives so the good news is that we kept kind of the

430
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:46,360
 red and the blue we kept those colors consistent with what you had seen before on the previous

431
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:53,040
 slide right. So we call it now a red alternative ACD that just means segment number by you

432
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,680
 know left middle right. So everything you see on the red is basically a red alignment

433
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,000
 you had seen before but now it's called the red alternative. The blue you know subsequently

434
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,680
 is the same thing blue alternative equals the blue alignment. The purple is basically

435
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:14,720
 red to the west and blue to the east and the gold is blue to the west and red to the east.

436
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:19,880
 So those are the four alternatives that we're carrying through the EIS process. There's

437
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,080
 a lot of stuff that we have to study I don't want to go over all of this. This is just

438
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,560
 highly detailed. We are in the middle right now of out we're out in the field right now

439
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,000
 and you may be hearing from some of your constituents you may even been you know I don't know where

440
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,000
 everybody lives but you may have heard from some of your constituents we've gone out and

441
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,920
 done what we call a right of entry process where we've requested entry into property

442
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,520
 so that we can go out and do all this environmental study in the field you know and determine

443
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,240
 what kind of impacts this project can have to the environment. And you can see just how

444
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:58,920
 many different elements we have to address as part of this process. So we will also do

445
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:05,520
 more detailed design on those four alternatives including things like right away typical sections,

446
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:12,160
 ramp locations and interchanges, the constructability, cost, drainage, all of those things bike and

447
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,920
 pet are all included in the analysis that we've been doing for the schematic design.

448
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,740
 Gives you a typical section here this is ideally we have a 500 foot right of way. This matches

449
00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:28,660
 up with the other outer loops that are proceeding along in other counties. You can see it's

450
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:32,040
 full frontage road continuous frontage roads on the outside those two lanes you see on

451
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,840
 the outside and then right now the feasibility is indicating that we probably need to have

452
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,840
 a six lane freeway running through the middle over time not day one but over time as things

453
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,180
 develop out there we'll need to include those main lanes at some point in time. You'll have

454
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:50,020
 you know interchanges every so often just like you're used to ramping that goes you

455
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:53,700
 know through all this just like you would any other kind of freeway section and of course

456
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:59,960
 we are including shared use paths on both side of the project and we don't see this

457
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,560
 happening like I said overnight so there is a phasing that we are you know guessing will

458
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,180
 happen on this project at least that's what the traffic numbers are projecting so we start

459
00:46:08,180 --> 00:46:12,780
 out with one frontage road make it two lanes but two way build the other frontage road

460
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:18,920
 make them both one way and then come in and build the main lanes after that. This is that

461
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,720
 critical area I was telling you about at the greenbelt there's just about it I don't know

462
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:28,560
 I guess it's missing a kitchen sink but everything else is in this area we have in yellow is

463
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:34,920
 federal federal conservation easements highly protected land through that process we have

464
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,280
 core owned land and kind of the red color you see there we have the historic bridge

465
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,460
 that's out there along FM 428 we have Ray Roberts late state park greenbelt trails which

466
00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:49,880
 is considered a park and we also have a core flowage easement there on the left in that

467
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:55,520
 kind of cyan color and we also have regulatory floodways and other floodplains we have to

468
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:02,320
 deal so right now the existing right of way through this area varies but minimally it's

469
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,680
 a hundred and forty five feet and you're going to see a typical section here that try to

470
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:11,780
 you know seize what we see how we can accommodate this freeway through that area so this shows

471
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:16,440
 you what we call we have two options here that's called the stacked and the compressed

472
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,520
 options to get across the M fork so the typical section I showed you before is kind of everywhere

473
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,860
 outside of this area but for this three to five thousand feet across the M fork we're

474
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:31,320
 looking at two different options the one on the top is a stacked option it puts the front

475
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,940
 edge roads on the bottom and the main lanes on the top parallel to each other running

476
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:42,440
 into the page the idea there is that it tries to stay within the textile right away and

477
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:48,080
 we are really working hard to have zero impact to those conservation easements we might impact

478
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:54,520
 some core owned land but right now we're anticipating no impact to the conservation easements this

479
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,240
 requires us to relocate the historic bridge probably to the north on core owned land through

480
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:04,640
 that area and reconnected to the trail system as part of that project the compressed option

481
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,640
 is basically the same thing you saw before where we're keeping the main lanes and the

482
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,720
 median between the main lanes basically the same but we're pushing in the frontage roads

483
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:17,520
 making it tighter in between those so that we can go from you know like a 500 foot right

484
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,920
 away to a 385 foot right away the good news on that one is that we're able to keep the

485
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:29,120
 bridge at its current location this just shows you what some of the interchanges that we're

486
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,760
 proposing on the project so the you know these will be grade separations where the main lane

487
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,920
 goes over or under the cross street they'll be fully ramp served of course we'll have

488
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,720
 multi-level interchanges along at 35 and also at the Dallas North Tollway we also have two

489
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:49,960
 other very significant corridors us 377 and then also we're 428 branches off and runs

490
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,880
 in a southwest direction towards loop 288 that's also going to be a very very important

491
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:01,920
 interchange for the region this shows you the entire project development process the dark

492
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,880
 blue we've already done the green is where we're at then next is the pre-construction

493
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,600
 that's where you get into final design John has already covered a lot of that's where

494
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:16,760
 we do final design and then we go into construction the corridor preservation though process has

495
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,080
 already started and what we want to be sure that we're doing is we're not blocking the

496
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,920
 corridor with development so we're communicating a lot with the cities we're communicating

497
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,200
 a lot with developers in order to try to you know stave off anything like that that may

498
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:36,040
 take place we also have a regional land banking opportunity if we need to where we may be

499
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,760
 able to purchase some of the land to prevent it from you know becoming homes that would

500
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:46,680
 be impacted by the corridor this just shows you kind of a more detailed schedule we've

501
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,600
 already kind of gone through some of this thing you know right there in the middle is

502
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,640
 where we're at and then our next round of meetings will be probably late summer of 2025

503
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,300
 and those public meetings I described and then we'll have the public hearing either

504
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:07,880
 late 2025 or early 2026 that's where the identified preferred alternative will be provided and

505
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,600
 then we have about you know just depends anywhere from four to six months to get the final EIS

506
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:19,040
 and record decision which should be done by mid 2026 so I invite everybody to join us

507
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,520
 tonight at 530 if you want to you'll you'll hear some of this but you'll also get to look

508
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,840
 at the maps in more detail all of this is available on Denton County outer loop.com

509
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,360
 including this presentation and everything else and then of course you know so you can

510
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,220
 also watch tonight I mean you can also participate virtually as well so a lot of opportunities

511
00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:45,360
 to participate and now let's go to questions because I know that's where you guys want

512
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,360
 to get.

513
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:56,600
 Thank you so I'll pick up the question that John punted earlier and for the Mile and Rector

514
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:03,480
 alignments do we know that where the there's multiple stakeholders out there for the rodeo

515
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:09,160
 and the gateway projects coming into Denton you've got the two different alignments and

516
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:15,000
 it impacts what John talked about depending on how we do these alignments and exactly

517
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,420
 where the county properties and the rodeo properties are going to go do we have any

518
00:51:19,420 --> 00:51:21,240
 clarity on any of that?

519
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:26,080
 So we've been doing a lot of coordination with the county on that so we are aware of

520
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:31,200
 the properties to the west and everything that's you know attempted to be done on that

521
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,120
 I think we've been in really close coordination on that front right now we're trying to do

522
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:42,400
 something so that the I-35 plans can accommodate what we envision in this area I mean everything

523
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,200
 on the on the west side that the county only I would say is very very preliminary right

524
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,600
 now but it is an economic development opportunity so it's important that we incorporate that

525
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,840
 into our study you know this isn't all about just the natural environment it's also about

526
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,000
 the human environment as well right so we want to make sure that we are advancing the

527
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,400
 you know economics in the area as much as we can as well so I feel and John you can

528
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,440
 you can step in here but I feel very comfortable that we're highly coordinated in that area.

529
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:18,920
 So you can imagine Judge Eads has had us in his office multiple times on this but originally

530
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,480
 this is the Milam Road on the west side and this is the Milam Road on the north side we

531
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:31,760
 were trying to trying to find a way to get to this roadway because it continues on past

532
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:38,400
 to 156 but the county is subsequently bought both land north and south of the Milam Road

533
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,200
 on the on the west side and so basically if you just kind of look at lay out the property

534
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,280
 not what they're going to do with it but just the property itself there's a property line

535
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,680
 right here with the land to the north and the county to the south so we're we're looking

536
00:52:53,680 --> 00:53:00,400
 at being able to hit where Tech Start originally planned on having the box for the outer loop

537
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,200
 because this project was cleared before this project did so they had to assume the outer

538
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,560
 loop would be at the east side where Milam Road hits.

539
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:15,720
 We did look at coming down and tying into the Milam Road here states that they would

540
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:20,680
 agree to extend that bridge another thousand fifteen hundred feet so we'd have this big

541
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:26,400
 huge under structure so we could hit where we need but once the county started buying

542
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:32,280
 land in the north it made it look like it's best to come at it at what was originally

543
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,920
 proposed and then come across and get back down to Milam Road on their development side

544
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:45,360
 and that reduces that thousand feet where we need probably 300 300 so it reduces the

545
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:52,600
 cost on the 35 jobs we keep it so we really are pushing from a locally preferred alternative

546
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,800
 for the county and which is consistent with your third floor plan to have it hit Milam

547
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:03,480
 Road on the east side 35 at that location okay go straight across John are they still

548
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:14,800
 trying to let in April I'm sorry can I don't have to sell that again do I yes oh do I oh

549
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:25,320
 yes I do oh my okay so short version is the county's development on the west side as far

550
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:31,400
 as we know there's a property line that's adjacent to or contiguous with the the Milam

551
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:37,080
 on the east side so we're going to put we're recommending that a alternative be included

552
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,720
 which was what's on your third floor plan and what the county wants for their development

553
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:46,040
 and then we'll tie into Milam on the east side and that reduces the cost of the bridge

554
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:54,560
 structure at that location and takes us so they agree to that additional cost so the

555
00:54:54,560 --> 00:55:00,320
 last question on this before I go to my other questions and that is it's sounding like y'all

556
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:07,120
 are focusing on Milam rather than Rector in terms of the the big alignment so when you

557
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:13,960
 say focus we aren't like Tony said we're carrying both of these alignments through the entire

558
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:20,320
 lifecycle of the CIS but we also have to if we're going to if mom's going to be an option

559
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,560
 we had to pick which Milan we were going to do so so you'll see there's other areas where

560
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:30,640
 there's some tweaking that we do over you know east of Aubrey and those are those are

561
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,200
 get played out for the both the red and the blue alternatives going through that long

562
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:44,720
 list of things that Tony showed you so there are two major alternatives with subset tweaks

563
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:49,680
 that you could put on either side okay and he didn't say it the reason we're going across

564
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,080
 in that one location across the green belt is he won't say it but I'm saying that the

565
00:55:54,080 --> 00:56:00,960
 Corps told us if we go anywhere other than 428 it'll cost us dearly and which is already

566
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,320
 too expensive and nobody wants us to impact the green belt anyway so we're going where

567
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,600
 they tell us so so you'll see some of those alignments earlier went up on the bridge on

568
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:16,760
 the dam a 455 with courses you're not going to go on my damn damn and and we had to go

569
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:25,320
 at 428 so that's why they tweak down the middle have you been to the damn store following

570
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:35,080
 up on on on this damn conversation no for quarter C there that you know since you live

571
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:46,640
 there I know that there's I got just a couple questions in this area I know that you you

572
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,640
 sort of led with there's a lot of development in even even within quarter C on the on the

573
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:57,840
 peripheries of the even though most of it is core land and and conservation land and

574
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:05,480
 I know one of the the new players in that would is that Texas Parks and Wildlife is

575
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:14,040
 thinking about millennial fund acquisition there and that was submitted by Senator Parker

576
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:25,760
 as a project and so I'm curious how all these stakeholders if everybody is doing an EIS

577
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:32,720
 or an EIS equivalent study how do you reconcile the outer loops EIS with the Texas Parks and

578
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:41,280
 Wildlife's EIS with the with the developer you know NPCs EIS is that they are all doing

579
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,880
 because they're they all want quarter C and they're all going to write an EIS that puts

580
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:53,400
 them in the best light let's be honest so how do we reconcile because there's only one

581
00:57:53,400 --> 00:58:00,680
 environment and they're all putting conflicting demands on that so one of the things that

582
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:06,480
 we did on this project was that we requested and received approval of to incorporate the

583
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,560
 Corps of Engineers as a cooperating agency so that means that they're actually going

584
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,920
 step-by-step with us through this entire project which is a different level than a participating

585
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,360
 agency so most of the other agencies will be participating that just means they'll review

586
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,800
 our documents and approve them accordingly we did also request that Texas Parks and Wildlife

587
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:32,400
 be one of those cooperating agencies just for the reasons you described they they declined

588
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:38,400
 that they just feel like they have enough MOUs with text dot or memorandums of understanding

589
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,480
 with text dot in order to go through this process but they're definitely one of the

590
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,840
 agencies that we are coordinating with all the time and then the other one that did also

591
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,920
 move up into a cooperating agency is a Texas Historic Commission because of the historic

592
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,120
 bridge in this area so there is a lot going on in this area and that's that's what Madeline

593
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:03,080
 and I work on a lot I mean we these public meetings are also very helpful we gain a lot

594
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,480
 of information from that but we're also working with your staff also to learn about these

595
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,680
 types of things that are going on and and every time we have a meeting we always learn

596
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,920
 something new and we're just incorporating those the best we can but it will be the responsibility

597
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,840
 of these agencies that are participating with us for them to alert us to the same thing

598
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,760
 you know things you just described you know how are we going to keep from doing this and

599
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,080
 then go uh-oh we completely forgot about or we completely missed this thing over here

600
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:33,280
 and you know that's it's just part of the process that we we count on that to happen

601
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:40,760
 okay well what I'm going to do is you're done thank you very much I am going to ask if there's

602
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:46,120
 anyone else that has any questions in this regard we'll keep it nice and tight because

603
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:50,520
 we're watching our time I'll just say that we were under time on the last item so if

604
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:58,240
 we could get a little extra time here madam chair for the reminder my first question is

605
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:06,920
 just what's the deadline for comments on this November 29th yeah November 29th is the deadline

606
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:12,640
 for the scoping meetings that we're currently in all right excellent thank you um my second

607
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:18,280
 is more of a comment just so I'm looking at this and it says between 2015 and 2021 more

608
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,880
 than 20,000 acres of land were already developed in Denton County and there's the map with

609
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,360
 all of these parcels of land here I gotta say I'm really preferential to the no build

610
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,880
 option here because you know looking at all of this land that's being urbanized we know

611
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:41,680
 that there's you know a ton of environmental value to not urbanizing all of your you know

612
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,720
 rural areas looking at like California where they're getting struck with massive wildfires

613
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:52,360
 and whatnot and I'm looking forward at our next presentation which has some statistics

614
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,960
 Denton's smog is now approaching the severe category twice the rate of lung disease in

615
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:03,240
 children I just have to say that for all that my opinion is worth which I know is not much

616
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:08,360
 to tax dot I would be in favor of the no build option I think I need to point out a couple

617
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:15,000
 of things is those that heat map you see those are people that have invested property rights

618
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:21,360
 so that development is going to occur because a lot of it's unincorporated and the legislature

619
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:28,440
 has not given the counties a much authority to handle unincorporated development and so

620
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:36,720
 when we did our original study early on between 380 the outer road 377 and the toll road and

621
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,480
 10 years will be 90,000 people living there without doing a single thing to this road

622
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:47,280
 because our road won't be there so what we're suggesting to you is is that the way you reduce

623
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:54,800
 that load because vehicles that travel at a efficient rate of speed emit less pollution

624
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,640
 than those that run idle so what you want to do is reduce congestion as much as you

625
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:06,780
 can and keep the traffic flowing so if you saw the other map where the roads are red

626
01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:12,520
 without the outer loop all those roads will go underwater and those people will be congested

627
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,960
 on streets that weren't meant for them to be there so we get this we understand but

628
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:22,360
 that's why we chose we suggested to the state and they agreed that we're doing this document

629
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,920
 at the highest level of environmental clearance possible which also includes since we're in

630
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,720
 a non-attainment area conformity issues that we have to deal with so that what we do has

631
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:39,820
 to reduce the overall pollution in the region not increase it and I'm just immensely skeptical

632
01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:44,200
 of that I think you know that would have been the logic for why 635 was built earlier or

633
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,320
 all of these other loop roads that we can see across the county that then in 20 years

634
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:54,080
 do become congested themselves and you know kind of incent development around them and

635
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,600
 then you know the second the second point I want to make to you is I've been around

636
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:04,000
 for 30 plus years and what got me into this business was in 1988 when Denton County was

637
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:09,280
 brought in to the non-attainment scenario and I've been I've been tracking this and

638
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:19,760
 because it impacts transportation for that 30 years in 20 it was 1996 the first air quality

639
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:25,680
 standard was 12 parts per billion we're at like seven right now so we're going down in

640
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,360
 a total amount of pollution but we're not getting there fast enough and that's why you

641
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:34,080
 go from moderate to severe to extreme not because the air is getting dirtier it's because

642
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,820
 you're not getting there fast enough so I'll get you some information but what the regions

643
01:03:38,820 --> 01:03:42,680
 do it is pretty impressive.

644
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,680
 Anyone else?

645
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,680
 Oh I'm sorry.

646
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,680
 I'm done.

647
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:46,680
 Okay.

648
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:47,680
 Anything?

649
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:48,680
 Yes.

650
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:58,400
 I have a question about the the reason for the road so one of them was that the crash

651
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:04,660
 rates in the region I believe are higher than the statewide average can you explain how

652
01:04:04,660 --> 01:04:07,540
 adding another high-speed road will reduce crashes?

653
01:04:07,540 --> 01:04:15,720
 Yeah actually you know so the one of the safest facilities that we have for carrying traffic

654
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:21,560
 is a freeway mainly because you how you handle crossing traffic and everything else right

655
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:27,120
 we don't allow people to cross the roadways so you are going over or under those cross

656
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,200
 streets through ramping and everything else and so that just generally creates a safer

657
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,720
 system now it's higher speed and so you know you definitely have to worry about the severity

658
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:40,480
 of those elements as you go up when you see the our alignments you'll notice that horizontally

659
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,160
 they're kind of what I call lazy alignments the curves are really long and those kind

660
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:49,400
 of things that's another element that we try to do in order to increase the safety of those

661
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:55,160
 roadways but yes I mean generally the at-grade intersection is the one of the biggest problem

662
01:04:55,160 --> 01:05:01,720
 areas that we have as far as crashes and I'll yeah I'll go ahead and I think did

663
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:06,880
 that answer your question I'm sorry yeah and I'll follow up a little so I-35 is on that

664
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,320
 heat map there that is a limited access freeway so how will this one be different because

665
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,320
 I know I-35 is one of our top locations of deaths also in traffic crashes in Denton the

666
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:21,160
 other one is 35 or sorry not 35 380 which of course is you know at great and all that

667
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:27,880
 and so how will this be different than 35 so any facility that you over you know over

668
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:33,680
 use or you put too much load on it it will then its safety will go down its its crashes

669
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,600
 will increase over that time frame so right now John just described earlier about the

670
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:44,180
 reconstruction that will take place to the 35 corridor safety is part of that but more

671
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:47,720
 you know it's a congestion deal I guess what I'm trying to say so when you have a free

672
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,960
 flow situation you wouldn't have a lot of these type of incidents as you see I mean

673
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,440
 even driving up here from Flower Mound to come to this meeting today you know there

674
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:01,760
 were several times where we were slowing down mainly due to congestion and you know I don't

675
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,240
 really feel like we were traveling during the peak hours at all so 35 is definitely

676
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:12,520
 stressed it's probably one of the most stress corridors we have in the region and that stress

677
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:18,320
 creates crashes right and so building off that a little bit and sort of building off

678
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:26,080
 what a committee member Bray said so so we anticipate development coming in along this

679
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:34,720
 new roadway and some of its already planned right folks are planning on it so do we anticipate

680
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:40,640
 that building this roadway will increase the speed or the likelihood those developments

681
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:45,920
 come online or in other words if we if we didn't build it would would those things come

682
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,480
 online a little slower because you know maybe they're like oh people won't want to move

683
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:56,880
 out there because it takes too long to get places right so two things what we noticed

684
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:02,520
 region-wide is is after COVID you had this diaspora from the center right people they're

685
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:10,320
 going out they're going further away telecommuting is helping that and in the 2050 mobility all

686
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,920
 the perimeter counties around Dallas and Tarrant County are significantly increasing in population

687
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:20,720
 right now we're at a little over a million and Collin County is a little bit more than

688
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:30,080
 that by 2050 without if you take out the outer loop the only thing happens is the congestion

689
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:36,040
 gets worse if the outer loops there it reduces the congestion but by 2050 we're going to

690
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,720
 outstrip Collin County and population and primarily because we have the two interstates

691
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:47,160
 35 E&W coming right through the heart of our county so the growth is coming regardless

692
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:52,240
 of what you do if we don't build the roads are you going to do is end up ruining quality

693
01:07:52,240 --> 01:08:02,400
 alive I'm so maybe I don't have a continued question based on that but I guess my concern

694
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,200
 is that we'll build the roadway and it will become over capacity again because of all

695
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,760
 of the development that will come online and then we'll feel like we're at square one again

696
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:17,080
 to some degree so I guess that's just a concern that maybe doesn't have an answer but it kind

697
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,720
 of does I mean there's there's things that we try to do so you know we talked about the

698
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:26,100
 500 foot corridor on that deal so that's a pretty healthy right away section you'll notice

699
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:32,440
 in this section that we have a fairly large gap between the main lanes in each direction

700
01:08:32,440 --> 01:08:38,000
 and that's so that we can expand the facility as we need to you know we don't know we can

701
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,880
 project traffic based on everything we understand today and we've done a pretty decent job of

702
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,280
 that particularly in this region over the years but you know we have things that are

703
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:51,120
 coming online with automated vehicles electric vehicles and other types of things they're

704
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,200
 a little more less certain about what we're going to do so we didn't want to sit there

705
01:08:55,200 --> 01:09:01,000
 and remove this space in the middle so that we just had that flexibility to flex with

706
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:07,600
 what might happen in in that you know as as as this region grows and what traffic becomes

707
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:13,800
 as more innovation and automation takes place so right now we're just trying to build in

708
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,040
 additional capacity to the system so one of the things I wanted to point out real quick

709
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:23,640
 because I know we're over time but this is a 23 mile long dam in this area so what we're

710
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,840
 also doing is partnering with the Corps of Engineers on what's called a transportation

711
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:34,780
 stormwater initiative where we're going to take the outer loop and and construct it or

712
01:09:34,780 --> 01:09:41,440
 allow it to be developed in a way where we go further up the the waterways that we impact

713
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:47,700
 look at taking more of that property in as a floodplain and then impounding the water

714
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:53,840
 whether it's detention retention have an aesthetic look to it but then take that water and find

715
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:59,280
 best management practices to recharge the aquifer instead of the just let it floated

716
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,720
 because they don't want it to go on through Dallas down the Trinity River so they wanted

717
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:07,360
 us to just detain detain it and make it go slower and the county says look if we're going

718
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:12,240
 to put land under water we're going to use it to recharge aquifer so there's a whole

719
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:17,240
 lot of environmental issues that we're going to be addressing with this road not just not

720
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:27,800
 just the traveling public okay thank you thank you thank you we have just the weird we're

721
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:33,680
 out of time council member Joe Holland wanted to ask a question are y'all gonna be around

722
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,880
 no no no i'm gonna i want to wait in interest of time if you're gonna be around you're gonna

723
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,760
 be around okay all right thank you all for being around so Joe can get his question answered

724
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:51,240
 but we are definitely going to move forward i had a question but i'm just gonna i'll wait

725
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:59,000
 around and ask that question later okay so we're going to move on to mc-24-036 receive

726
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:06,320
 a report and hold a discussion regarding lowering barriers to bike racks with a focus on infield

727
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:19,640
 locations this is going to be good bike racks exciting biking cycling cycling and biking

728
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:26,000
 the same thing cycling cycling and biking is that the same thing biking involves a motorcycle

729
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:31,440
 oh my yeah that's why i kind of stay with cycling i didn't even know bicycling oh bicycling

730
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:40,040
 well yeah that's okay or tricycle yeah anyway okay great scott okay transportation services

731
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:47,360
 city of denton also as i introduced myself before yeah a person that has lived many places

732
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:52,560
 some of which chased after the car some of which did not chase after the car and you

733
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:58,680
 know what the quality of life was better than the ones that didn't chase after the car okay

734
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:13,080
 okay the city does a great job with requiring bike racks on new development that's why we're

735
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:22,840
 focusing on infield development because that is the more difficult thing to do i'm going

736
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:33,120
 to kind of recap first on a june presentation that i gave with some recommendations take

737
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:39,720
 a little deeper look at two of those aspects talk about strategy and some more specific

738
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:48,800
 recommendations open it up for q a as far as connection to city goals and strategies

739
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:59,280
 probably the most one that i enjoy is strategy 8.17 in the mobility commit our mobility plan

740
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:08,600
 provide bike parking at public facilities as you know we all know biking have can have

741
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:20,360
 big benefits also part of the recap is uh we recommended a pilot using these two techniques

742
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:27,440
 that are presented in june and you will recognize those and we are going to go deeper especially

743
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:38,480
 into number one because that's the one we can do first another deeper look is air quality

744
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:51,760
 dentin as part of the dfw region now has uh severe smog air quality that is the main issue

745
01:13:51,760 --> 01:14:04,160
 that the region is dealing with that means damaged lungs which are prone to infection

746
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:18,320
 aggravated disease such as asthma as uh christine bray indicated our children have twice the

747
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:28,000
 lung disease as people outside of the rest of the nation that's from the cog air quality

748
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:38,720
 report all those things and our federal funding is threatened in 27 if we don't correct the

749
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:48,280
 situation or have a path to that and are those folks that come in that want to come in they

750
01:14:48,280 --> 01:15:02,400
 want their employees to be healthy and they want to be proud of it just like freight manufacturer

751
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:09,000
 sorry it's escaping me peter built peter built so they brag that they're an environmental

752
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:19,160
 leader okay it's important to them um our task is to eliminate cold starts what is a

753
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:28,040
 cold start a cold start is when you start your car the 60 seconds between if you drive

754
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:40,320
 a standard car six within turning that ignition and about 60 seconds on a typical trip 95%

755
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:48,960
 of the pollutants that cause smog our main issue will be emitted in those 60 seconds

756
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:56,920
 until your catalytic converter warms up so that curve over there there's four types of

757
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:06,080
 vehicles most are zero and one there's some of the others out there too yeah you can see

758
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:17,560
 the curve the the y-axis is your is the emissions that cause smog the bottom is the seconds

759
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:23,040
 that the vehicles ran if it had been set for a while right repeated starts don't do the

760
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:35,140
 same thing okay so reducing auto idling does not do a lot in that situation but if you

761
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:42,700
 can get the person to bike walk they have a zero emission vehicle that's your ticket

762
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:51,800
 no cold starts okay so by my point is biking has outside benefits outsized benefits because

763
01:16:51,800 --> 01:17:00,840
 it eliminates that okay and you add to that if we could make this happen in your let's

764
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:13,480
 imagine 20 if if 28% of all trips they're less than one mile less than about 60 seconds

765
01:17:13,480 --> 01:17:19,920
 or whatever if that could happen that'd be a great great start if they could bike or

766
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:27,680
 walk and then six fifty two percent that's that's even better that would be great it

767
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:32,360
 may not happen that we they actually can get them bike and walk but we've got to give them

768
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:45,360
 the facilities to do it okay whoops no I am okay so these are pictures from my hometown

769
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:53,320
 where we talked about a pilot and that we were wanted to use unutilized space these

770
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:59,440
 are pictures of how they use that unutilized space and here's a little graphic that kind

771
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:05,760
 of shows that at corners you'll notice in a lot of places they've painted the curb red

772
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:11,600
 because they don't want people to park there right because this blue vehicle needs to be

773
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:20,840
 able to see the white vehicle that's coming so they got to have the corner clear for vision

774
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:28,080
 well if you put bike racks in there they do not obstruct that vision they're good they're

775
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:35,880
 low profile enough they're they're transparent enough okay so they said hey that is space

776
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:45,880
 for us and that's what they did and we could do the same thing so I got a strategy over

777
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:53,960
 here and we'll go through them pretty quickly because I've taken a lot of time but I think

778
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:58,560
 you'll get more out of looking at the specific recommendation this being probably the primary

779
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:08,280
 one because it is the first so the recommendation is to do a big jump focusing a lot of improvements

780
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:16,040
 in a small area and I can't think of one that's better than the area around the the square

781
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:23,400
 because we don't want people biking on the sidewalks and the square we don't allow that

782
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:33,400
 so let's focus on that area is the thought okay and so we can use you'll recognize this

783
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:41,040
 picture from the last meeting these are little sleds wood whatever we could do this even

784
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:49,160
 temporary right painted that area put the sleds in or we could do a permanent you know

785
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:58,460
 depends on your feelings and what the initial community intake would be but put them out

786
01:19:58,460 --> 01:20:07,760
 there show that it can be piloted show that it can be done after that and that could take

787
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:13,720
 a while so we can go into way more detail and these other steps of the strategy but

788
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:19,920
 ultimately we've got to simplify this so that people can do infill bike racks and we need

789
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:29,100
 to not only permit it but condense it down to something that's really digestible digestible

790
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:36,800
 means financial no no it means so that a person reading it can be like in a brochure format

791
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:43,460
 so they can understand it and say yeah that's how I do it not plan planner or engineer lingo

792
01:20:43,460 --> 01:20:54,640
 right then you bring you know like like the Chamber of Commerce in others too and you

793
01:20:54,640 --> 01:21:03,580
 praise them you know we've talked about bike friendly designations so together starting

794
01:21:03,580 --> 01:21:15,080
 with this I think we're be well on our way to to making to eliminating the barriers is

795
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:24,160
 that the presentation that is it well thank you so much that was a very informative very

796
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,280
 interesting presentation thank you I'm going to take the privilege of saying something

797
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:38,160
 first get my time in let's go back to the the front part of that I want to see your

798
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:45,240
 your hometown that hometown picture that right there I'm really really into this because

799
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:52,280
 I think that I would I would approve something like this for us to to try I think it's very

800
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:58,600
 interesting and again I've just come from Denver mm-hmm and I was really studying those

801
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:04,600
 streets this time like really getting into it and I saw some of some of this going on

802
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:10,000
 in their downtown area where they were taking that very seriously they were doing that construction

803
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:18,240
 work to push those to push this type of thing and I thought it was interesting to see would

804
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:25,680
 the would you can you envision where the bike racks are located would the street be painted

805
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:32,560
 I mean would it be something that yeah very significant yeah one of the principles yes

806
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:38,960
 so okay good because I don't see that on there I see the street oh and we still have ballots

807
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:49,600
 at the top to the left no no I'm over here on the other pictures oh yeah it's mostly

808
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:54,320
 white yeah you know I propose something I would propose something a little better than

809
01:22:54,320 --> 01:23:02,000
 that that one's you know got sons possessed but I was just you know kind of thinking maybe

810
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:08,440
 it could be stand out with some type of color on the street now what about motorcycles I

811
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:14,160
 mean our motorcycles start towards the end of the street along with the bikes on they

812
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:22,680
 certainly could be but I don't think I think the needs are more for I mean bike racks aren't

813
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:28,160
 something motorcycles use they need the space granted alright those are the only two questions

814
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:37,720
 that I have let's start with this brain first I love this appreciate it thank you one one

815
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:42,320
 concern that I keep coming back to which kind of interacts with this and a way that people

816
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,960
 are just violating the law they're using these corner spaces that aren't you know they're

817
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,760
 marked off as don't park here but they get used as pick up spaces for like Uber Eats

818
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:56,240
 or stuff so obviously that you know that it's against the law but I just want to echo my

819
01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,220
 previous comments on we should do something about parking and loading for for these types

820
01:24:00,220 --> 01:24:07,720
 of things also I think there's opportunities outside of our kind of traditional walkable

821
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:12,800
 areas like fry Street is obviously a good fit for this that I'd like to see pursued

822
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:20,680
 in the future I go to that queue up on up by by Bonnie Bray in 380 and I just bring

823
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:28,200
 my bike into their you know their lobby because I'm like there's there's no parking here so

824
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:35,380
 I think that there's other typologies of like areas that could use this where there's there's

825
01:24:35,380 --> 01:24:40,200
 not actually street parking near that DAC you to take for this purpose so just just

826
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:46,000
 something that you know like I said very excited about this but other things in the future

827
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:52,280
 as well and then to my council members you know roads are very expensive this is very

828
01:24:52,280 --> 01:25:01,400
 cheap we could we could allocate some funding to this all right thank you.

829
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:08,360
 You know yeah on bridging with that the taking a look at these parking lots and making sure

830
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:13,640
 that whenever we in the future when we're building out additional what are those store

831
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:21,120
 fronts at least for sure having spaces for bikes like like they do motorcycles have little

832
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:29,000
 motorcycle spaces but it'd be need to have a real genuine set of parking spaces for bikes

833
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:35,040
 so we won't have to take our bikes inside of the facilities to keep them from you know

834
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:43,160
 being taken or whatever thank you thank you for that yes ma'am thank you chair thank you

835
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:48,480
 for this presentation Greg appreciate it I have three comments and a question the first

836
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:53,460
 comment is I would definitely like to see us purchase you know just a handful maybe

837
01:25:53,460 --> 01:25:58,240
 of the mobile racks but more the style of the one in front of harvest house is more

838
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:02,840
 of the inverted you or staple rack as opposed to the wave racks we saw in the photo but

839
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,160
 we do have a really great example of something like this in front of harvest house for anybody

840
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:13,760
 that wants to go look at it my other comment is sort of echoing what council member committee

841
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:21,840
 member Bray said of you know also trying to look at how we can provide opportunities

842
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,880
 for businesses especially in strip malls is where I have the biggest problem of not finding

843
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:32,520
 anything to lock to so seeing if we can look into places like that and how we can increase

844
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:37,920
 bike parking at existing buildings right and I would also urge us to look at the square

845
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:44,240
 proper yes you can't bike on the on the sidewalks but I can't remember which corners have bike

846
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:49,520
 parking in which don't and it has slowly disappeared over time because they've you know reconstructed

847
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:54,000
 some of the corners and I'm not talking about the hallway crossing before that we reconstructed

848
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,920
 some of the brick looking things and didn't put the bike racks back I've noticed some

849
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:03,640
 bike parking next to rusty taco has disappeared now so it is slowly disappearing and I struggle

850
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,440
 to remember like where the bike parking is on the square so I would definitely encourage

851
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:12,400
 us to also look at bike parking on the square itself as well as outside of the square because

852
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:17,680
 I do kind of struggle to find bike parking outside of the square and then my third comment

853
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:25,000
 is yes I definitely support on the bike parking standards the written stuff having clear standards

854
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:30,520
 for bike parking so we we kind of describe it but we don't have any pictures and I feel

855
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,720
 like I'm seeing with new developments that maybe people aren't understanding what it's

856
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:38,960
 supposed to look like so if we can have some illustrations included I think that might

857
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,660
 help a little bit I mean I've even seen the city put in the wrong kind of bike rack that

858
01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:47,600
 goes against what our standards say so I think having photos might help especially for people

859
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:54,200
 who are less familiar with these kinds of things and I really like the idea of the brochure

860
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:59,100
 style instructions so I mean kind of like we did with our development code in 2019 adding

861
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:04,640
 more visuals to make it easier to understand more digestible as you said and then my question

862
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:11,140
 is this is probably for future answering not right now but I'm curious what resources staff

863
01:28:11,140 --> 01:28:16,000
 think we would need to implement a pilot project that includes something like purchasing a

864
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:21,480
 collection of you know maybe staple racks maybe some of those cycle hoops that you've

865
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,360
 given us for the more urbanized areas like the fry street area things like that but also

866
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:31,700
 some staple racks for those strip malls and then allowing businesses especially small

867
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:37,080
 businesses to request we install one and then since we're the sense of city's doing it

868
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,920
 hopefully it gets installed correctly with the right kind of rack that way businesses

869
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,160
 existing businesses could opt in not be forced so that's just something I would like for

870
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:59,240
 us to look at in the future maybe not to answer right now that's all I have I just want to

871
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:06,560
 make a comment about this I you know the reason the reason we have bike racks is to store

872
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:16,440
 one's bike and prevent theft right because if it wasn't for the theft aspect you could

873
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:24,280
 lean your bike against the store window you get any of that yeah also to provide a designated

874
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:34,480
 spot so it's not okay in the way okay my my concern is shown on slide three the bicycle

875
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:44,720
 in the middle the u-lock is holding the frame okay and the rear wheel which admittedly are

876
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:52,200
 the most expensive parts of the bike but the front wheel is left vulnerable and that concerns

877
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:59,920
 me because now you return to your bike and your front wheel has been stolen now the the

878
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:07,000
 second slide the third slide there that bike is completely protected the front wheel the

879
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:13,400
 frame and the rear wheel are all tied up with either a u-lock or a cable there's nothing

880
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:19,360
 to steal on that so so I think I think when we and and the example the and I like the

881
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:28,760
 I like the concept the the portable thing on slide seven that's that's not given that's

882
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:36,200
 not given theft much of a nod and it's a shame that we have to consider that but but stealing

883
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:43,560
 parts off of a bike is is almost as bad as stealing the bike it renders it useless now

884
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:47,640
 instead of riding home you're gonna have to carry it home I just want to just want to

885
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:52,940
 mention that something something that could be done that would be easy to to secure the

886
01:30:52,940 --> 01:30:58,640
 three the three most important segments of the bike yeah you will notice that I didn't

887
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:09,600
 spend a lot of time on the circle lock or whatever cycle hoop because that might take

888
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:15,320
 some doings especially working with DME or you know whoever to be able to do that but

889
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:21,480
 I think that the quickest and easiest thing is to focus on this yeah that that's a that's

890
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:26,360
 a fine that's a fine setup if it's if you're gonna go into a store and come back quickly

891
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:30,840
 right but if you're gonna go to the mall as you point out you know your bike is gonna

892
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:35,600
 be a bicycle your bicycle is going to be at one end of the mall and you're gonna be way

893
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:40,760
 over here that gives the bad guy plenty of time to steal whatever is vulnerable you've

894
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:46,680
 noticed to wheels left on bike racks yeah it's not the wheel that was locked it was

895
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:55,680
 the rest of the bike that wasn't right yeah that's all and this is a bike I know coming

896
01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:02,960
 from a bike uh yes sir briefly I'm just gonna I want to reiterate what you're hearing is

897
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:09,880
 a lot of interest in and support you've got a cyclist the cyclist the cyclist the cyclist

898
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:18,400
 want to be so that's not surprising and I I just don't know chairs predilection for

899
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:26,480
 cycling I know how to ride a bike maybe it's unanimous I know how to ride a bike for predilection

900
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:34,520
 predilection predilection wow what did I just say no I'm just impressed so one of the things

901
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:40,520
 I wanted I had two quick questions one was sort of a piggybacking off what Commissioner

902
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:47,240
 Rumer said and that was are there it seems like and I think Councillor Holland alluded

903
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:56,120
 to it as well there there seems like there's opportunities for us to get buy-in for parking

904
01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:02,720
 at established businesses I think actually Councillor Bray's had a related Commissioner

905
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:09,400
 Bray had a related so we keep wanting to let you to office for some reason similar thing

906
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:20,200
 and opportunities to have buy-in from businesses if there was an if there was a mechanism whereby

907
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:25,400
 you could get a grant if you were a low-income business you know small mom-pa or or if they

908
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:32,440
 could purchase into our program and dedicate the exact same kind of rack that we're using

909
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:40,120
 but funded by them for a larger company that would add consistency and and and some scale

910
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:47,800
 efficiency yes so I encourage us to think about that and and that leads me to my second

911
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:56,120
 question is and you heard about some destination pathing for this you know versus piloting

912
01:33:56,120 --> 01:34:04,600
 downtown do do we have a concept for how we want to roll out phase phases two through

913
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:11,840
 whatever in terms of where would we go if this is wildly successful and you're hearing

914
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:20,960
 a lot of positive energy about downtown where would we want to go next I can we'd have

915
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:29,320
 to think about that more I do have ideas but I'm probably not well vetted I encourage us

916
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:35,640
 to do you've heard a lot of retail interest and so I encourage us to do a lot of really

917
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:42,640
 robust destination pathing so that you get to your slide one or whatever we were talking

918
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:49,400
 about air quality and cold starts yeah if I can't go from grocery store X to downtown

919
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:55,280
 Y then I'm not going to use my bike I'm gonna hop in my car yeah I think the the beauty

920
01:34:55,280 --> 01:35:02,320
 of the pilot is to show everybody what can be done and how they could do it themselves

921
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:09,920
 to right generate excitement but also you have a living brochure but we got to do it

922
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:18,360
 right but we or thread that needle between doing it perfect and doing it with the constraints

923
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:27,280
 we have the staff time and finances and such but we think this is a way this is underutilized

924
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:36,680
 space it's under our control not too hard well thank you very much for your thank you

925
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:46,000
 very much for your your presentation I'm just very excited for us to see this to fruition

926
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:52,040
 yeah however that comes about thank you a telephone number please really really I'll

927
01:35:52,040 --> 01:36:01,760
 give you mine I mean yeah five zero three we can provide that to you okay it's being

928
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:21,480
 broadcast that's what everybody called thank you okay well we're gonna move on to EMC 24-037

929
01:36:21,480 --> 01:36:38,160
 we're gonna get in here and get it done good morning Trevor crane director of capital projects

930
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:45,160
 so I'll go through just some of the staff memorandum we did provide some responses to

931
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:51,320
 the questions we had last week so clarification of the 2019 Street reconstruction bond numbers

932
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:59,400
 that came from a committee member Bray also provided a response to the quality control

933
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:04,960
 and construction projects councilmember Beck I know this came from you if you had any further

934
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:11,240
 questions on this I'd be happy to expand if you if you did or any councilor yes I didn't

935
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:16,440
 know how you wanted to handle it oh yeah let's go I did and it's the same question I asked

936
01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:24,040
 earlier in text thought is I know y'all have been running all over town seeing you know

937
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:30,000
 downtown text dot asphalt failures 2019 bond failures I've asked that in a previous staff

938
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:38,040
 report we're seeing asphalt misbehaving in many of our projects and that's not on us

939
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:45,000
 the city but it's now our responsibility to deal with brand new asphalt failures so what's

940
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:50,720
 what's our path forward how are we handling this this QC problem sure so I'll say generally

941
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:56,040
 you know we strive to try to catch those problems before the asphalt gets placed so that's you

942
01:37:56,040 --> 01:38:00,720
 know kind of what I go into here with our construction specs you know inspection all

943
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:07,680
 those types of things I'll say recently you know a lot of these things can be placed on

944
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,920
 you know poor workmanship by a contractor or those types of things but I'll say recently

945
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:16,440
 probably within the last six months we've seen kind of across the board some asphalt

946
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:22,400
 failures from you know all different types of contractors even some that we know are

947
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:27,220
 you know are doing a phenomenal job so we are kind of going back to the plants looking

948
01:38:27,220 --> 01:38:30,560
 at kind of the mixes making sure that they're giving us what they're saying they're giving

949
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:35,360
 us and not just counting on catching these things at the end and you know counting on

950
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:40,520
 a contractor to come back and redo it so we do have a lot of things in place where we're

951
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:45,420
 checking quality quality of control quality assurance but with the kind of recent things

952
01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:50,400
 we've seen with the asphalt kind of doing some extra extra work to try to figure out

953
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:56,880
 what the root causes of that no I appreciate that because it costs us time and money as

954
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:03,240
 the cities at the city level and it's also costing our residents time and money because

955
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:09,560
 now they'll have to go back and re scrape and report and and and then every person in

956
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:18,000
 this room hears about it. Sure. I would say you know we want to even though a lot of these

957
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:22,600
 things or the majority of these things do cost the contractor and not us financially

958
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:26,640
 but it does have those other ramifications we want to be good partners with our contractors

959
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,920
 we don't want to let them put down asphalt that we know we're going to reject and so

960
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:34,340
 that's why we're always trying to work with them making sure that they're giving us exactly

961
01:39:34,340 --> 01:39:39,360
 what we're looking for and that they're placing it placing it per our specs doing all the

962
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:46,360
 testing and those types of things so thank you. I'm going to just put my little two cents

963
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:53,640
 in here as you were speaking in talking about this as being something that's kind of relatively

964
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:59,000
 you're starting to kind of put some patterns in here. You know this particular part of

965
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,680
 the country might be preparing itself for our own little mini earthquake right now due

966
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:09,560
 to a lot of fracking and everything that's going on for a number of years around here. So you

967
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:14,000
 know as you all are just contemplating and trying to figure out what's going on generally

968
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:19,920
 speaking you know add that to the mix as well. Yes ma'am. I tend to generally be you know

969
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:27,520
 correct about a lot of things like that. It's handy. Okay. Okay. So temporary improvement

970
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:32,480
 for McKinney sidewalks. Sure. So this was just an update. I know we talked about the

971
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:37,760
 temporary improvements and whether there was a an appetite to go forward with some temporary

972
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:42,800
 improvements while the permanent project was moving forward. So council did give us direction

973
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:48,240
 to move forward with the permanent and not do any of the temporary. There were some constraints

974
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:55,120
 for a temporary temporary solution but we can always go back and look at that if we

975
01:40:55,120 --> 01:41:02,000
 were to get that direction. And a question on that. I just it's my understanding that

976
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:08,080
 council member Holland intends to pitch that. So I just wanted to thank him. And I imagine

977
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,080
 one of the prior constraints might have been that we didn't have a pedestrian walkability

978
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:17,880
 ADA coordinator. So got that one covered now. Thank you. So I will say the next item kind

979
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,920
 of leads into this one. So if you want to give me a second now kind of talk through

980
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:27,540
 this one. So we didn't want to give an update on the permanent McKinney sidewalk project.

981
01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:34,400
 So currently at 30 percent but due to some design challenges we've seen. So let me back

982
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:38,400
 up. So one of the things when we passed this project was we didn't know how much right

983
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,080
 of way we were going to need. Didn't know kind of the utilities that were out there.

984
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:46,640
 So really wanted to move this project forward to 30 percent to understand you know what

985
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:51,920
 the challenges would be to put in that permanent sidewalk at the right of way direction. So

986
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,600
 we are 30 percent. We've done those surveys gathered a lot of information and we are seeing

987
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:01,040
 some unforeseen obstacles. So we wanted to come back to mobility committee with a couple

988
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:05,640
 of options to get some direction kind of see what y'all's appetite was for any of these

989
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:10,840
 options. So option one would be to continue to design on the south side of McKinney. So

990
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,760
 that's kind of where we've done our survey and where we're going to put that permanent

991
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:21,120
 sidewalk in. This would involve acquiring all the right of way and relocating all the

992
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:28,880
 utilities that are out there and in the way which could be a pretty time consuming process.

993
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:35,480
 So typically right of way acquisition and utility relocation are the longest things

994
01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:39,960
 take the most time during construction or during design. So that is option one. We can

995
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:45,600
 keep going get it all the way to 100 percent and move forward. Option two we can conduct

996
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:50,820
 a feasibility study on the north side of the road. So that feasibility study is really

997
01:42:50,820 --> 01:42:55,680
 kind of the same thing we did on the south side. We would do some survey find out what

998
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:59,880
 how much right of way we need to acquire what kind of utilities are in the way that would

999
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:04,920
 cost about twenty five thousand dollars to do that feasibility study. The pros of that

1000
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:10,380
 is it could potentially be an easier route to put in but the cons is we spend another

1001
01:43:10,380 --> 01:43:14,000
 twenty five thousand dollars and it may be we may be in the same boat that we are on

1002
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:20,060
 the south side lots of right of way and lots of utilities. So option three we have had

1003
01:43:20,060 --> 01:43:24,080
 our consultant look at the existing right of way that we have out there. We believe

1004
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:30,200
 that we can complete a full sidewalk from Woodrow to loop 38 within our existing sidewalk

1005
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:36,280
 or within our existing right of way. It will not be at the ultimate right of way for if

1006
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:41,120
 we come back and do that roadway section. So some pieces of that would have to be removed

1007
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:46,960
 and replaced in the future when we come back and do the actual roadway reconstruction between

1008
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:52,200
 Woodrow and loop 28. But we believe that we can move forward with a sidewalk that would

1009
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:58,280
 connect all the way from Woodrow to loop 28 utilizing the existing existing sidewalks

1010
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:03,600
 that are out there. So really just filling in the gaps. The cons of this would be that

1011
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:09,120
 the sidewalk would be variable length or variable width. So some places it would be five feet

1012
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:15,600
 some places eight feet. We would install the wider sidewalk but some of the existing sidewalk

1013
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:21,800
 is a narrower sidewalk. Pros of this. We've already got existing structures out there.

1014
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:26,760
 So it's less costly. We would be within our own right of way. Don't have to buy any right

1015
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:31,880
 of way. Don't have to move any utilities. And we could do it pretty quickly. I say pretty

1016
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:39,920
 quickly. We would have our design consultant design just the connection pieces probably

1017
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:45,080
 three to six months and then be in construction relatively shortly after that. So those are

1018
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:49,720
 the three options that we're currently looking at now. Our recommendation would be to move

1019
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:53,520
 forward with option three especially you know knowing what we know now about the right of

1020
01:44:53,520 --> 01:45:00,520
 way acquisition the utility coordination our relocation and knowing our what the the communication

1021
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:05,080
 that's happened you know recently about you know making sure that we get a viable walkway

1022
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:09,920
 all the way from Woodrow to loop 288. So that would be our our recommendation. And now I'm

1023
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:15,120
 open any questions or direction. All right. So this will this what I want to do because

1024
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:21,560
 I want to watch our time. I want you all to tell us which option and tell us one reason

1025
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:32,480
 why. Go ahead. Yeah. Favorite option three. I asked some people including the young person

1026
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:37,160
 who came to council at the previous meeting and spoke on it and they said they wanted

1027
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:42,360
 it done fast. My only concern would be if there's any crossings of the street that there

1028
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:48,840
 would be maybe like flashy signs and you know a nice crosswalk painted. Yeah. I favorite

1029
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:56,240
 option three. I'm with similar concerns. I minimize a number of street crossings and

1030
01:45:56,240 --> 01:46:01,960
 things like that but sooner and dedicated is better than you know it's worth the extra

1031
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:07,280
 cost that we might incur in the future. All right. Well I'm going to say I favor option

1032
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:12,480
 one because I do understand that we're going to do something significant with that road

1033
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:19,840
 on down the line anyway. Not real sure of when that is going to occur. But I think that

1034
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:26,960
 if we were to do option one we're just simply preparing ourselves for a minimum amount that

1035
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:33,400
 we would need later on down the line. That's my preference. Yes sir. Option three because

1036
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:40,420
 it's a shorter construction timeline less expensive but I do have a question about that.

1037
01:46:40,420 --> 01:46:46,160
 Which side is that. It would be on the south side. Okay. Okay. Option three. So I'm going

1038
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:50,720
 to throw a wrench in it. I'm going to go for option to assuming we're able to do some sort

1039
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:57,800
 of temporary measures in the meantime because between the loop and Ryan High School there's

1040
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:02,000
 already a 10 foot side path on the north side. So that would make that continuous reduce

1041
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:07,640
 unnecessary road crossings and overall and kind of like you said for option one create

1042
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:11,240
 something that will last a little longer than option three would and we make hopefully won't

1043
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:19,120
 interrupt it as much as option three. We've got three for three. One for one. So that's

1044
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:23,200
 where we're going to go. We're going to look at the recommendation. Perfect. Thank you.

1045
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:30,480
 Thank you. Okay. So the next one up is traffic calming measures. Did anyone have any additional

1046
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:38,960
 questions on this one? Oh the only question. Did you all have any questions? Yes we had

1047
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:44,120
 a question. Yeah I was curious if we could get a future presentation on this specifically.

1048
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,920
 We hear a lot. I mean I know y'all hear a lot of people complaining about speeding in

1049
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:51,240
 their neighborhoods and that kind of thing safety concerns. I'd be curious to hear from

1050
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:59,120
 staff what resources y'all would need staff wise like new staff what kind of budget might

1051
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:04,040
 be possible for a traffic calming program. I know there are other cities that do it and

1052
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:09,960
 they respond to concerns for about speeding or safety issues because as we read in this

1053
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:16,040
 report traffic calming is a much more effective 24 hours a day implementation versus just

1054
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:20,040
 occasional human enforcement. So I'd like to hear a future presentation on what that

1055
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:24,520
 would look like resource wise. Yes ma'am. I think we can add that to the future items

1056
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:29,760
 matrix. Yeah it's currently on there. So we were planning on bringing back several presentations

1057
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:35,200
 especially I want to make sure that we're reporting on our metrics as we're as we're

1058
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:38,400
 implementing these things and we're tracking them that we're reporting back to the committee.

1059
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:42,160
 So we will absolutely add that to the list. Thanks. All right. You have a question. Yeah

1060
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:50,440
 just since we're already planning that presentation if we could also think about how the public

1061
01:48:50,440 --> 01:48:58,400
 will participate in sort of a request process you know engage dentin versus traffic mobility

1062
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:07,920
 or how will the public participate in your needs assessment. Yes sir. And then finally

1063
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:14,120
 down here was the trip. Oh wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. I'm sorry. Did you finish.

1064
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,800
 That was a question that you want him to bring back. Yes. OK. Thank you. I thought I was

1065
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:23,280
 looking for a question. Also bring us back. I'm just curious. You can probably answer

1066
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:29,640
 this question right here. Working with developers and putting I'm talking about for businesses

1067
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:35,680
 and neighborhoods. Does traffic calming come up in any kind of way in any of those conversations

1068
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:40,120
 because it looks like we're chasing traffic calm. Sure. So I'll let Farhan answer that

1069
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:52,040
 question for home but deputy director transportation services division. So for that matter as well

1070
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:59,680
 we are looking into the process and and details how it would play out. And this will be included

1071
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:05,320
 as well in our next. So this is a future future conversation. Yes. OK. As I've been seeing

1072
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:12,960
 a lot of little roundabouts in different locations that I have been to more than Denver but other

1073
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:18,200
 places that I've seen where they're using a few more roundabouts in certain certain

1074
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:26,800
 places. Thank you very much. Looking forward to bringing that back. Trip fund usage. Sure.

1075
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:31,880
 So the last item was the trip from usage. So historically we have used our trip funds

1076
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:38,060
 and support existing projects that align with the program's goals and enhancing pedestrian

1077
01:50:38,060 --> 01:50:43,900
 multimodal. Now that we have Farhan and his team transportation planning we are looking

1078
01:50:43,900 --> 01:50:49,000
 at utilizing those trip funds and creating kind of standalone projects that meet those

1079
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:55,880
 requirements working with DCTA and creating specific projects to utilize those trip funds.

1080
01:50:55,880 --> 01:51:01,920
 Any committee with a committee from some another trip fund type committee or something like

1081
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:08,720
 that. I don't believe so. You're doing anything like that. Yeah. And I don't mean this to

1082
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:14,440
 be harsh but this is real thin. It's a little bit of a non answer and I apologize for the

1083
01:51:14,440 --> 01:51:22,720
 harshness of that response. But my question is could I get a crude answer is fine. But

1084
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:31,360
 could I get an assessment of sort of street versus bike pad versus mass transit levels

1085
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:38,800
 in our trip projects. Sure. Maybe for the last one or two cycles. Just because my sense

1086
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:45,640
 is we're spending a lot on streets and rather than mass transit and bike pad which I think

1087
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:52,200
 was more of the spirit of the trip funding. And if we're going to spend it on streets

1088
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:58,400
 I want us to do it intentionally out of our operational M&O budgets and bond budgets rather

1089
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:03,720
 than incidentally and accidentally out of our trip funding. Sure. So we can absolutely

1090
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:08,420
 provide that we have a report that we report back to DCTA on all of the projects we're

1091
01:52:08,420 --> 01:52:13,800
 using trip funds for. I will say generally those you know I can think of specifically

1092
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:18,800
 on Bonnie Bray phase three the trip funding is allocated on that project but it's specifically

1093
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:24,400
 for pedestrian utilities, pedestrian facilities and those types of things. So we can absolutely

1094
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,400
 get you that information on where that trip funds have been allocated historically where

1095
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:35,160
 they're at. And then you know like I said as we move forward we'll be creating specific

1096
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:42,160
 projects for that trip funding. Awesome sauce thank you. Okay. Oh yes. But just to be clear

1097
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:47,400
 on that Bonnie Bray project those are facilities that are like streets policies would have

1098
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:54,200
 not required because they're our own policies but you know told us to build anyways right.

1099
01:52:54,200 --> 01:53:06,000
 Correct. Anything else? Right that's it for me. Thank you. Thank you. Where is the little

1100
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:12,760
 part that always mess up? The future items matrix? Yes we have five minutes probably

1101
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:19,620
 less than five minutes. All right did anybody have any anything that they wanted to note

1102
01:53:19,620 --> 01:53:27,000
 on this particular area? There's a lot here is there anything we need to take off? Sometimes

1103
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:39,520
 some of them are completed. We can leave the trip funding item on and follow up with your

1104
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:47,120
 to ensure that we follow up with your question. Okay. Anything else? Next meeting is the 20th.

1105
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:50,280
 Well I think we're just gonna leave this here. That looks like there's any questions comments

1106
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:57,640
 or concerns in this regard. Yes did you have to? No no I was pointing at Councilor Holland.

1107
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:15,160
 I was just asking the next meeting. Oh we'll get to that in just a second. For number three

1108
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:22,560
 yes. Let's get a question let's get an answer on number three. Let's ask a question please.

1109
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:31,760
 Oh I'm sorry oh concluding. Okay so concluding items that there's nothing else between we'll

1110
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:37,000
 move to concluding items. Thank you. My first comment is thanks to staff who put the mobility

1111
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:42,360
 plans goals and strategies on the presentations. I requested that a couple meetings and I appreciate

1112
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:47,960
 that that's been implemented. I have one request to I guess add to the matrix. So years ago

1113
01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:55,240
 I met with staff including Sarah Hensley before she was our permanent city manager about issues

1114
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:59,720
 of construction signs blocking pedestrian rights of way when the sidewalk was not under

1115
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:04,320
 construction or otherwise blocked. And I feel like I've seen improvements over time that

1116
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:08,920
 I'm more frequently seeing the signs put in the grass nearby instead of the sidewalk or

1117
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:14,720
 a bike lane. But I am continuing to see where construction signs are being plopped in the

1118
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:18,920
 middle of a sidewalk on busy roads when there was space right next to the sidewalk to place

1119
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:22,880
 it. So I'm curious I don't know if this would be a presentation or what I'll let y'all

1120
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:28,120
 determine that to understand you know are there difficulties that I'm not seeing that's causing

1121
01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:34,320
 that to happen or is there something else we can do to either prevent these signs from

1122
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:40,680
 being placed in sidewalks when there's space nearby or catching it quickly when they are

1123
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:47,600
 placed there. So two examples I did to discuss no Engage Denton reports or requests of two

1124
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:51,320
 blocking the sidewalk on Malone when there was space pretty close by. And then I saw

1125
01:55:51,320 --> 01:55:59,160
 a detour sign maybe on McKinney Street in downtown. A detour sign blocking the sidewalk

1126
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:03,320
 there as well when there was space nearby. So something to continue improving on that

1127
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:06,840
 to prevent that from happening so people don't have to step in busy roadways to get around

1128
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:13,200
 them or if they're in a wheelchair good luck. That's all I had. Thanks. So that is what

1129
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:19,640
 the Mobility Committee is for and I noticed that but I didn't put two and two together

1130
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:26,880
 to make a statement about it but I am increasingly noticing that as well around town. Thank you.

1131
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:33,680
 I just want to acknowledge the huge success that the Halloween town events have been and

1132
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:39,600
 specific to this committee. It's wonderful to see all of these families and just huge

1133
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:45,440
 crowds of people having safe downtown spaces to walk around in and enjoy our city and so

1134
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:49,240
 I think that's been really wonderful to see over the last month. I am so proud of our

1135
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:55,960
 city. I really really am. So we did the future items. This gentleman wanted to know the next

1136
01:56:55,960 --> 01:57:03,760
 meeting which just happens at the same November 27th November 27th is your date. It would

1137
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:12,040
 be the last Wednesday of the month at 10 o'clock ending at 12. Okay so if there's not anything

1138
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:19,040
 else I am going to conclude our meeting at 1157. Thank you all for a great job. City

1139
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:19,720
 of Denton people.