1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,280
 All right, welcome to the October 25th, 2024 meeting of the Sustainability Framework Advisory

2
00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,280
 Committee.

3
00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:19,920
 The first thing that we'd like to do is welcome our new member, Dave Helm.

4
00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:27,040
 And the second thing we'd like to do is consider adoption of -- is that the right date?

5
00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,040
 August 23rd, 2024 minutes.

6
00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,040
 Oh, yeah.

7
00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,040
 Yeah.

8
00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,040
 [ Inaudible ]

9
00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,040
 Do I have it?

10
00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,040
 Today's the --

11
00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,040
 Is that right?

12
00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,040
 Is that the correct date?

13
00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,040
 Today's the 24th.

14
00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,040
 For the previous meeting.

15
00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,040
 For the previous meeting, yes.

16
00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,040
 Yeah.

17
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,040
 Yeah, that's right.

18
00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,040
 Yeah.

19
00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,040
 It's in August.

20
00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,040
 Yeah.

21
00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,040
 Oh, August.

22
00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,040
 Yeah.

23
00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,040
 Oh, that's right.

24
00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,040
 Yeah.

25
00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,040
 We never met.

26
00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,040
 So, do I have any motions?

27
00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,040
 So moved.

28
00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:59,600
 Any second?

29
00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,640
 Second.

30
00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,400
 All right, the minutes are adopted.

31
00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:18,920
 Our next agenda item is nominations to elect a chair and vice-chair.

32
00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,320
 And what is the proper step for this?

33
00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,280
 Do we draw straws again?

34
00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,280
 No.

35
00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,280
 We accept nominations.

36
00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,480
 Has anyone had any nominations today?

37
00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,480
 Yes.

38
00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,480
 I nominate Ed Sofe as chair.

39
00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,480
 Does that -- do I have any seconds?

40
00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,480
 Do we need a second on the nomination?

41
00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,480
 I'll second the nomination for Ed as chair.

42
00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,480
 Thank you.

43
00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:35,480
 I accept.

44
00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,480
 Anybody else want to get in?

45
00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,480
 No.

46
00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,480
 All right, okay.

47
00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:49,480
 Sorry, I assumed something.

48
00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,600
 Oh, yes, sorry.

49
00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,880
 So, may we have a vote?

50
00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,880
 All in favor?

51
00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:00,880
 Aye.

52
00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,880
 Aye.

53
00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,880
 All opposed?

54
00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,880
 Thank you.

55
00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:04,880
 Thank you.

56
00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:05,880
 Vice-chair.

57
00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:06,880
 Vice-chair.

58
00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:07,880
 All right.

59
00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:08,880
 Any nominations for the vice-chair now?

60
00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:09,880
 A nomination for the vice-chair.

61
00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:10,880
 I nominate Brad for the vice-chair, please.

62
00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:11,880
 I'll second the nomination.

63
00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:12,880
 Any discussion?

64
00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,880
 All in favor?

65
00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:14,880
 Aye.

66
00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,880
 Passes anonymously.

67
00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:16,880
 I missed that.

68
00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,880
 We were talking about something else.

69
00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:18,880
 So, nomination was for?

70
00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:19,880
 For Brad.

71
00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:20,880
 By?

72
00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:21,880
 Me.

73
00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:22,880
 Adam.

74
00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:23,880
 Okay.

75
00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:38,440
 Seconded by Dr. Meier.

76
00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:47,600
 Okay, and then I think we need to go back and vote on the minutes.

77
00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,100
 I think we had a nomination, I mean a motion and a second, but we didn't do the vote.

78
00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:54,720
 So, if you don't mind voting on the minutes.

79
00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,240
 I move to approve Item A.

80
00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,360
 We have a motion to approve Item A, the adoption of the minutes.

81
00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,360
 All in favor?

82
00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,360
 Pardon me.

83
00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,360
 You need a second.

84
00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,360
 Sorry.

85
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,360
 Do we have a second?

86
00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,360
 Thank you.

87
00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,360
 I'll second.

88
00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:10,360
 All in favor?

89
00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,360
 Aye.

90
00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,360
 Passes unanimously.

91
00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,360
 Okay.

92
00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:24,840
 Item C is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding fiscal

93
00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,200
 year 2024-25 Green Center Program.

94
00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,200
 Good afternoon.

95
00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:50,560
 This is Catherine Barnett, Sustainability Manager, and I'm just going to, so I want

96
00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,640
 to wrap up some of the things that we talked about for the Green Center Center Program

97
00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,760
 moving forward, where we ended with the expenditures, which has been refined a little bit from our

98
00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,480
 previously scheduled meeting, and then talk to you about the next steps.

99
00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:14,680
 So, just some background, the Green Center Program began in 2009, and prior to fiscal

100
00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:22,280
 year '24, the program incentive levels have been static for about six years, since fiscal

101
00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:23,280
 year '18.

102
00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:29,320
 The program is administered by the Environmental Services and Sustainability Department, and

103
00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:36,280
 funded through DME, so only DME customers are eligible for the incentives.

104
00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:41,320
 It's energy efficiency-focused, building a whole other building systems being the primary

105
00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:49,000
 energy efficiency programs for fiscal year '24, and for the upcoming fiscal year, the

106
00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:56,000
 current fiscal year, we have funding of $1 million from the DME program.

107
00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:02,320
 Just a little highlight on the number of remates that were processed, we had 936 submitted,

108
00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:10,360
 720 accepted, 53 were still pending or in progress, and then we had 163 that were rejected.

109
00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,080
 We've talked about this a little bit in the past, the primary reasons for rejection are

110
00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:20,960
 usually that the equipment does not qualify, they aren't a dentin-useful electric customer,

111
00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,960
 we get remates from Frisco sometimes, so those are the primary reasons, it's just non-qualifying

112
00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:35,480
 equipment, or not a DME customer.

113
00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:42,520
 So we had a calculation that we should have been over the million dollar funding we thought

114
00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,520
 we were.

115
00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:49,440
 As we audited, we found out that we were about $14,000 short of the million mark, and we

116
00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,760
 had more than enough remates to cover that, but it was just some refinements that needed

117
00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,160
 to be made with our tracking, so we have done that going forward.

118
00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:04,640
 66% of the remates were focused on building systems, so the HVAC smart thermostat type

119
00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:11,040
 of remate, the building envelope was another 16%, insulation, weatherization, windows,

120
00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:17,680
 radiant barrier, transportation, the E5 and EV took 13% of the funding, and the fan giveaway

121
00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:24,400
 efficiency kits and audits were another 5%.

122
00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,040
 As we talked about previously, reducing the number of days to submit the application to

123
00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:34,240
 90 days instead of the 180 days that we had previously, just to make it easier to track

124
00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,720
 down the information, the further out the applications come in, the harder it is to

125
00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:44,640
 go back and get documentation from your installer and things like that, which tends to be a

126
00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,640
 little bit more difficult.

127
00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:56,480
 We had MiniSplits submitted this year, this previous year, for an HVAC remate, and they

128
00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:02,640
 were getting a substantial rebate for a one and a half ton MiniSplit unit, so we did go

129
00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:08,640
 in and add a MiniSplits rebate of $750, 30% of the employees up to $750, because this

130
00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:14,000
 year they were getting 90% of the cost paid, so it was a little flinch that we weren't

131
00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,040
 expecting.

132
00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:23,840
 We're going to add an option for landlords or folks that may get multiple rebates within

133
00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,280
 a year to have an EMT, so an electronic bus transfer, instead of having to kind of check

134
00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,280
 out to those people for the rebate.

135
00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,280
 We added a heat pump water heater for this year, and we have the solar hot water heater,

136
00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,080
 because we just added the same rebate but for a heat pump, the same dollar amount.

137
00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,080
 Then we're working with our installers, we're probably going to do a larger outreach effort

138
00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,040
 once we get the manual finalized, and can email that out and then try to bring them

139
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,800
 in and get all of them filling out paperwork, completing invoices, in a way that makes it

140
00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:04,000
 easier for the customers and for us to verify the eligibility for the rebate.

141
00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:10,960
 And then, we talked about this, moving the e-bag and EV over to the sustainability fund

142
00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:16,080
 and where you get that for the energy efficiency programs.

143
00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:16,880
 Any questions?

144
00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,560
 Any questions?

145
00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,920
 Does this program only open to residential customers?

146
00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:28,240
 Residential and small commercial.

147
00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,120
 Something I've always wondered, can you talk a bit about the process, like for example

148
00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:39,120
 with the mini splits, you said you had to adjust the percentage with a cap up to $750.

149
00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:44,240
 Can you talk a bit about the process of how that's done for each thing?

150
00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,680
 Is it just a matter of judgment, or is there some formula that you're using where it's

151
00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:52,560
 like this percentage and this cap makes the most sense, or is it just you kind of learn

152
00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:53,760
 as you go?

153
00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,520
 It's a little bit learn as you go.

154
00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:03,360
 With PV, whenever we talked about, for instance, for fiscal '23, '24, we were looking at the

155
00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,760
 values and the question and the comment from the public utilities board was that's not

156
00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:13,280
 even going to cover the tax on an install, and so we kind of thought about that, we look

157
00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:21,680
 at average cost, and then the way costs are climbing, it's starting to level out, I think,

158
00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:28,480
 a little bit, and we're getting some better trends on the overall cost, but right now

159
00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:36,160
 it's kind of, it's all over the place a little bit, depending on the installer, so it's hard

160
00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,640
 to pin an exact percentage to it.

161
00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,880
 Right, but I imagine the guiding ideal, because it's an incentive program, the guiding ideal

162
00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:49,600
 is to try to set the figures at a place where it gets more people to buy or install these

163
00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,800
 things, right?

164
00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,520
 And with the data that we've gathered this year, as we start delving into that, I think

165
00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:01,040
 we can get to a better, more than this looks about right, you know?

166
00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,000
 I think we can get to actually the cost and what the average rebate is, it's percentage

167
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:13,760
 of the invoice, what the average costs were with the program previously, we were at about

168
00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:20,320
 five percent, four percent total cost, so this is a big change for this year, and we

169
00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,920
 will be bringing the data back to do some labor jobs on that, we started that with the

170
00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:32,160
 audit, but we're also still processing rebates, we have new rebates coming in, so we'll get

171
00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,680
 that back, we'll come back with more data and talk about that for next year.

172
00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:39,520
 Okay, I was curious, because I was wondering if you could moneyball this whole thing, you

173
00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,760
 know, where there's like an algorithm to…

174
00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,640
 That would be fun, Brian loves that.

175
00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,640
 Take a lot of resources, I would imagine.

176
00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:47,140
 Yes.

177
00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,200
 Any other questions?

178
00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:58,160
 So I do, again, really like that we're pulling EV and e-bikes out of here, because I think

179
00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,480
 programmatically that makes a lot more sense to focus just energy stuff in the green sense

180
00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,680
 program.

181
00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:06,960
 Question on the mini-split though, and I like that we're starting to think about kind of

182
00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:13,520
 smaller scale air treatment units, is a mini-split compatible with say like a mobile home in that

183
00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,480
 size of project?

184
00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,200
 Generally, yes.

185
00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:23,440
 Okay, and then I'm curious too, I know that we are only eligible for DME customers, and

186
00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:29,440
 for these larger installs that are more structural, obviously that has to be owner-initiated,

187
00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,760
 that if say it's a rental and the landlord wants to do those programs, it would be landlord

188
00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:39,120
 initiated, but I am curious if there's an appetite to perhaps also add some sort of

189
00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:44,080
 like window heat pump for an air treatment unit that might be a little more renter-friendly,

190
00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:49,200
 that doesn't modify the structure in a way where we can allow a little bit bigger of

191
00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,640
 a pathway for people who might not be the owner-occupied homes to participate in these

192
00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,520
 programs, given they are the residential DME customers paying that utility bill in some

193
00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,400
 way to kind of broaden that equity factor a little bit more, just as a suggestion.

194
00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,360
 I think that's something that we can look at.

195
00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,440
 I know that there are some programs in some northern states where air conditioning may

196
00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,720
 not be standard where they can take it with them whenever they move, so I'd be somewhat

197
00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,560
 similar to that, and we can look into best practices and see what that might look like,

198
00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:26,960
 possibly even try pilot for next summer if we can get that sorted.

199
00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,200
 I know with those smaller scale units, I think I was just looking at the price points earlier,

200
00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:38,640
 a couple local bigger distributors, and it's like $200 to $350 for these smaller treatment space

201
00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,360
 units, but I just feel like that makes the approachability of this program a little bit easier

202
00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,600
 for people who might not be that owner-occupied situation that I'm sure most of our structural

203
00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,720
 stuff goes to.

204
00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,440
 Right, and the mini-slit is a heat pump is what I'm seeing most often, so they are getting

205
00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:59,520
 the heat as well as the AC, so I like those and we're seeing more of those installed.

206
00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:06,880
 I think that the room air conditioner is a great option for some folks too, where maybe

207
00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,000
 it's just that little piece that goes, if you have a little plastic piece that goes

208
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,520
 on the window and a vent there, so it's really just sitting in the room, so I think I'm going

209
00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,360
 to have something outside of the window for the most part.

210
00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,080
 I think that's definitely something we can look into.

211
00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,800
 Second question, on the audit, is this purely a financial audit, or are we kind of looking

212
00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,800
 at the demographics of who's benefiting from this program at all?

213
00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,680
 We do have some of that, and we'll be presenting that in a few weeks, maybe.

214
00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:37,280
 Yes, we started that.

215
00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,040
 Anyone else?

216
00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:46,800
 I'd just say that it's encouraging to see such a robust program, and expanding as it

217
00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,000
 is and covering so many different aspects.

218
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:58,000
 I would hope that when discussions come up for the next fiscal year that we can talk

219
00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:04,800
 about adding battery storage, as I've talked to some people who have existing solar units

220
00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:11,920
 who would like to be able to make it easier to get batteries, because of their obvious

221
00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:18,080
 benefits, so I hope that would be something that we could deal with in the future.

222
00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,040
 Thank you.

223
00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:30,880
 Okay, our next agenda item is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff

224
00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:40,880
 direction regarding the Sustainability Framework Fund, 2024-25 Work Plan Priorities.

225
00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,040
 Me again.

226
00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,800
 Kevin Barnett, Sustainability Manager.

227
00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,760
 Just a recap of the Sustainability Framework Fund, and we had done some brainstorming on

228
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:57,760
 the options for this at the August meeting, I believe, and we put together a program for

229
00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:03,280
 the current fiscal year, sorry, we'll just walk through that.

230
00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:08,480
 So just a little bit on the background, the funding, we are providing estimates in the

231
00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,680
 actual that we received over the previous years, the Framework Fund projects, and then

232
00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:19,200
 the primary organization adjustments and some next steps.

233
00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,880
 The first year of the fund, we had the adopted budget of 500, and they did a transfer, because

234
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:30,800
 that was before the revenue was realized, there was a transfer there, you know, we did

235
00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,240
 the big planning process for '22, '23 for the 4 million dollar estimate in the budget,

236
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:46,080
 and we ended up with 1.2 being transferred in at the end of September of '23, so that

237
00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,600
 was the final number for that year.

238
00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:57,840
 750 was adopted budget for '23, '24, and the actual was 41, about 800,000 in the budget

239
00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,840
 this year.

240
00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:05,600
 And I think you all remember this, for a new member, we made a commitment to spend the

241
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:11,360
 funds as they accrue, so as it's realized revenue, then we will program that.

242
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,360
 Okay.

243
00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,680
 Just to recap on the projects that were completed, or some of them are still in progress, the

244
00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:27,040
 climate plan, the credit removal and restoration, air quality monitors, which we'll have a

245
00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:34,880
 update on that in the next meeting, the city fleet support, so we assisted some departments

246
00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:42,160
 with covering the additional cost that they may have for replacement of an ice engine

247
00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,840
 within the V. It could be as little as $2,000 to help them bridge that gap, or it could

248
00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:53,280
 be a larger ask, so we're just helping with those as they come through.

249
00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,160
 The electric fire engine and then the charging infrastructure for that engine, and I believe

250
00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,600
 that should still be here by the end of this calendar year.

251
00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,600
 Yes.

252
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,680
 And then we'll also help the PD with some additional E-bikes.

253
00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,960
 I'd like to bring one of our officers in to talk to you all about how much they enjoy

254
00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,960
 using the E-bikes.

255
00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,000
 It's a different type of patrol, whatever their level, out of the car.

256
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,440
 Can I ask a question?

257
00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,440
 Sure.

258
00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:33,440
 Is any of this money coming from outside grants, or is it strictly coming from city revenue?

259
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,440
 These are just the framework fund projects.

260
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:46,560
 Okay, but none of these are financed by outside grants, either from NETCOG, or from the IRA,

261
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,560
 or any of that?

262
00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:54,560
 No, these were just the projects that were identified to use framework fund dollars for.

263
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,560
 I see.

264
00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,560
 Now, if grants come through COG or other departments, they may be contributing to a part of this

265
00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,560
 through a grant, but this was what we had committed to helping with.

266
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,560
 There are additional funding opportunities coming from COG and from the state.

267
00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:14,560
 Over the next year, January 25, we should see some more of those start coming through.

268
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:20,560
 So, there is opportunity for splitting that between your grants.

269
00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,560
 Thank you.

270
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:28,560
 Barbara, I need to confirm, just to add on to that, we are using IRA funding as rebates

271
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,560
 on the back end of some of our electric vehicle purchases.

272
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,560
 So, we are applying for those funds to get those to come in as well.

273
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,560
 This just reflects what we've committed out of the framework fund towards these projects.

274
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,560
 But there are other funds coming in to help offset the demand on the city.

275
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,560
 Great, thank you.

276
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,560
 Sorry, can I follow up on that?

277
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:52,560
 The IRA funding, does that both sometimes come directly to the city through an application

278
00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,560
 you're putting in, but also through NETCOG?

279
00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,560
 How does that trickle down to communities, basically, is what I'm wondering.

280
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,560
 Because you just mentioned that.

281
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,560
 The EV tax credit.

282
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,560
 Did you not say IRA?

283
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,560
 I did say IRA.

284
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,560
 We're getting a little off-posty on that one, so I don't want to go into that detail of the discussion.

285
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,560
 The IRA funding I'm discussing is a we-making purchase.

286
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:22,560
 There's things that we may be eligible for as a purchaser to apply for direct money to come to us

287
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,560
 under the IRA.

288
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,560
 Then there are funds through other mechanisms as well that are flowing out.

289
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,560
 But we'd have to bring that back to the discussion if you want to hear that.

290
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,560
 Thank you.

291
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,560
 You're welcome.

292
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,560
 Great.

293
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,560
 So we have the work plan discussion in August.

294
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,560
 It talks about moving the EV and EBI to the framework fund.

295
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,560
 It talks more about water conservation strategies and then the credit restoration projects.

296
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,560
 Excuse me?

297
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,560
 Any details about the water conservation strategies?

298
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,560
 Not included.

299
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,560
 Okay, just curious.

300
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:14,560
 So the EV and the EBI rebates, we have proposed to reduce the EV rebate from $1,500 to $1,000

301
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:30,560
 lease vehicles as an eligible category for EV, thinking that sometimes it's harder to get out of a lease than to sell a car.

302
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:40,560
 And then EBI, we were looking to reduce that to 50% of the invoice up to $750 instead of the 50% to $1,000.

303
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:52,560
 Lowliness does amount to purely to try to get more people to benefit from the dollars that we have.

304
00:20:52,560 --> 00:21:01,560
 So proposed projects, the EV rebate, $150,000 proposed for that.

305
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,560
 The EBI rebates proposed $100,000.

306
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:14,560
 Just the ongoing operation and maintenance, the data access for the air quality monitors is roughly $25,000 annually.

307
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:28,560
 Please support the electric water equipment pilot that we would like to try to roll in in the spring and then continue to work on the credit restoration.

308
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:37,560
 On the previous slide with the previous projects, it said FY24 and FY25 for the PD bike program?

309
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,560
 Yes.

310
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,560
 Does that show on our budget for this proposal?

311
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,560
 Or is that coming out of the...

312
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,560
 That's coming out of prior to the year.

313
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:46,560
 Okay.

314
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,560
 So not planned.

315
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:59,560
 That was already committed funding for it.

316
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:12,560
 And then water conservation programs, that was one that we talked about what we can add and we, I do recall Ed, we spoke about what the water utility was going to be doing and how we would be partnering with them.

317
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:18,560
 But they did get approval for funding to do turf buyback and then some other incentives.

318
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,560
 So we are working with them on that.

319
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:28,560
 So it didn't have anything programmed in right now on water conservation for funding from this program this year.

320
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:41,560
 This may, this is sort of a reality, but has there been any discussion of developing the usage of gray water for golf courses or industrial lawns and that sort of thing?

321
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,560
 Is that too off?

322
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,560
 Am I off?

323
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,560
 I think that's off.

324
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,560
 Okay.

325
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,560
 I can say as a conservation measure, we do support the gray water.

326
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:58,560
 We have purple pipe that extends to at least half a dozen that I can think of off the top of my head, large water users.

327
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,560
 So that's how we can serve potable water.

328
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,560
 Right.

329
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,560
 Great.

330
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:08,560
 Thank you.

331
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,560
 Questions?

332
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,560
 Yes.

333
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:20,560
 Can you remind us or speak to how people apply to, what's the mechanism or process for obtaining these rebates?

334
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,560
 Is this on the city's website?

335
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,560
 People will know if you get an e-vite, you find a place to do it?

336
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,560
 Yes.

337
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:39,560
 So if we receive a direction to remove the rebates off of the green scents, then we will be creating a separate application for that so they don't go through the full green scents.

338
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:47,560
 The green scents application, it gets a little tricky whenever you're talking about a bike or a car when they want to ask, you know, what's this for, but it's your home.

339
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,560
 Right.

340
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,560
 So we would give it to a more streamlined application process, and it would also be available on the website.

341
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:59,560
 The green scents incentive program manual, the rebate application, the list of installers is all on our city website.

342
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,560
 So we can direct folks there.

343
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:15,560
 And for potential, you know, participants who might be listening in on this, is there a -- does this -- like the green scents fund kind of has an annual cycle where funds would kind of run out maybe.

344
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,560
 Is it the same dynamic happening with this?

345
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:24,560
 Would you anticipate that there's a time of year when there's more money and a time when there's less essentially?

346
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:36,560
 With the green scents, we have that fixed amount, so we do track that. We report monthly the percent of the allocated budget that's remaining.

347
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,560
 We could do something very similar on the e-bike EV.

348
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:48,560
 So as folks are making a decision, we could come back and ask for additional funding if we saw that we were going to completely deplete the bike.

349
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,560
 Okay.

350
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,560
 And that's what we did. We earmarked it and watched it pretty closely on the EV and the e-bike.

351
00:24:54,560 --> 00:25:04,560
 And you'll probably remember last spring whenever we did curtail those and just focused on energy efficiency because they were double what we had earmarked.

352
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,560
 And we talked too well about that too at the time, increasing the amount of that.

353
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,560
 But four times as much as a little big of an ask.

354
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,560
 Yep.

355
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,560
 So again, I love that we're seeing that high dollar amount for the e-bike program.

356
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,560
 I know that we kept having to bump it, having to bump it, having to bump it because there was so much program participation there.

357
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,560
 And I do like that this has moved to here where there's a little bit more flexibility.

358
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:36,560
 One thing, and I wasn't attending for the August meeting, so I wasn't able to participate in that discussion, but I was curious.

359
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:43,560
 I like that we've shifted that base amount lower so that we can kind of widen that pool a little wider.

360
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:53,560
 I am curious though because there's a wide spectrum of products available for e-bikes that go from entry level 250 to 350 from Walmart or something,

361
00:25:53,560 --> 00:26:04,560
 up to many thousands of dollars from some higher end luxury distributor that I almost wonder if there's a means to split those two.

362
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,560
 It's not to say that we would love to support you getting an e-bike if you're looking to get one.

363
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,560
 No matter where on that spectrum you're physically able to fall.

364
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:23,560
 But it seems as though we could hit that wider pool by prioritizing that entry level product, the 350s to $400 category.

365
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:35,560
 So I'm just curious if there's an interest in saying we'll cover 75% up to $400, 50% once we get past that cabinet, 750, is that a previously stated number?

366
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:46,560
 Just so that we're really emphasizing, if you're looking to mode shift from a vehicle to an e-bike, here's this really easy, approachable,

367
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:53,560
 and helps maximize your cost efficiency in the way that you're trying to calculate how you're going to go about that prioritizing those entry level products,

368
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,560
 as opposed to more luxury level products, just as a suggestion.

369
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:05,560
 But again, I wasn't here during that discussion, and from the August meeting, but I just think that that makes more sense for, again, looking at it from that

370
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,560
 wide approachability for people that enter into this program.

371
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:16,560
 It seems like that would be a larger market, and maybe you have more data from the applications you've received over the last year.

372
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:24,560
 But I would think leaning that direction might be more helpful to get additional folks participating in the project.

373
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,560
 That's a lot of math.

374
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,560
 I'm sure.

375
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,560
 I just threw a lot of math at me up here, Brandon.

376
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,560
 It's not impossible.

377
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:44,560
 I would need to do a deeper dive on, I can tell you that the average rebate was about $750 for all the bikes that were rebated last year.

378
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:50,560
 I have to do a deeper dive to see how many were under that $500 level, and how many were $13,000.

379
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:59,560
 What I guess I'm just curious, knowing that we kept hitting our ceiling, I know with programs like this, given it's a rebate,

380
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:05,560
 we're not sending money on the front end, so people trying to make financial calculations for, you know,

381
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,560
 am I going to have to sit on this for maybe two paychecks to pay it on the front end and wait for my rebate to hit,

382
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,560
 versus now if it's in the fund to make the timeline look a little bit differently.

383
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:21,560
 If we're looking more at entry-level products with a lower, call it risk volume, because it's a lower purchase point,

384
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:28,560
 if that might incentivize additional people to make that financial calculus in their own sense for participating in this program,

385
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,560
 as opposed to, oh gosh, I don't know what product I'm going to get, I don't know when I'm going to see this money back,

386
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,560
 if I am going to get it, I can afford, you know, $300, but I can't afford $750 out of pocket.

387
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:46,560
 You know, so I'm just wondering if we do really shift toward that lower, that entry-level side,

388
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,560
 if we can kind of widen the pool of the number of participants we can get,

389
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:56,560
 while not having to keep continually shifting money around into the program, if the average is a little bit more on that luxury.

390
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,560
 And again, $750 alone is double what an entry-level bike might be.

391
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:07,560
 I know that's a lot of math requests, but maybe that will help us over this next year kind of see how this project plays out

392
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,560
 in the sustainability fund, as compared to the Greensense program,

393
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,560
 from the application side and the typical participant that uses it.

394
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:26,560
 And having that request gives me a little bit more of an idea of how to parse the data that we're receiving along with the e-bike,

395
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:32,560
 and maybe refine a little bit of that on the application for next year, so that we can have a little bit more information,

396
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:39,560
 whenever we come back to talk about that. I'm just thinking also the number of,

397
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:47,560
 and this is just my memory, I can't, you know, this isn't hard data, this is the lower-end entry-level bikes,

398
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:56,560
 I would say we're typically tenant, so that, you know, maybe it's a Palomino question, I don't know,

399
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:03,560
 there's more data that we might want to ask if we have a tiered system. I don't know.

400
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:10,560
 Yeah, I get that a lot. Maybe it's something we look at how this transitions this fiscal year and under this program,

401
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:20,560
 and talk about modifying as we approach next fiscal. But I like that we're setting a really high ceiling for where we hit on there.

402
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,560
 I do have more on this in the next button. Other questions?

403
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,560
 We're posted to hold this discussion, so.

404
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:36,560
 I love the spirit of this remark, this is really interesting, and you know way more than I do about this product that we're talking about,

405
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:44,560
 but maybe also we have to then consider, and I'll defer again to your knowledge, are the lower-end ones perhaps,

406
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:52,560
 do they have a shorter life cycle, maybe? And is that a trade-off perhaps of, again I don't know,

407
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,560
 you've opened up a really interesting...

408
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,560
 You're the philosopher.

409
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:05,560
 Like could it be that if we throw a lot of money to a lower-end product, we end up putting a lot of things out there that have a shorter lifespan, maybe?

410
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:12,560
 And then that creates more waste? And if we would have incentivized something that has a longer lifespan? Or am I just making that up?

411
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:21,560
 My perspective on this, and the department might have a different perspective, I value this item on sustainability's funding

412
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,560
 because I see it as a mode-shifting initiative, right?

413
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,560
 We've had years of discussion about, you know, what are our climate risks, where are those emissions coming from,

414
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,560
 why do we look to prioritize programs to have the most bang for our buck for the funding that we do have,

415
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,560
 and we've learned time and time again it was emissions, emissions, emissions, emissions.

416
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:48,560
 EVICES, NEBs, I think, help incentivize that mode-shifting, so then we're just talking about numbers.

417
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,560
 I can drive my Honda, and you can drive whatever you drive.

418
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,560
 We're both polluting in that sense.

419
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,560
 It is easier for me to get over here, even to these meetings, on my little EVIC that I spent $300 on.

420
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,560
 I've shifted away from that emission into our renewable grid, right?

421
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,560
 So away from an internal combustion engine to whatever our grid portfolio looks like.

422
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:18,560
 So I think allowing higher numbers of people to participate in this program by spreading the prioritization of that funding

423
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,560
 on that lower end where it's the most approachable, the easiest to access,

424
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:29,560
 the easiest for someone to approach from a financial risk perspective because it is a rebate.

425
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,560
 You do have to put money down on the table first and then anticipate maybe getting that money back.

426
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:41,560
 I just think that widens the pool a little bit more to where people can have a higher confidence they would see dollars back

427
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:48,560
 because the money is looking at getting additional people funding for participating in this project.

428
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,560
 Versus I think last year I think we just kept hitting the ceiling and hitting the ceiling and hitting the ceiling.

429
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,560
 I heard anecdotally, of course, but a number of people that were really interested in participating in the EVIC program

430
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,560
 but incredibly hesitant because it's real money on the back end.

431
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:11,560
 I think if we do look at just that entry level stuff, increasing the percentage but lowering the max cap

432
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,560
 I think just shifts the math of that formula a little bit away from those more luxury end models

433
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:22,560
 which are better products but a higher threshold of adopting it, right?

434
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,560
 The goal is just mode shifting. I think the numbers are really the math that we're looking at.

435
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:34,560
 In that sense it's why I'm pushing this point hard is that I think that that gets us there better than having a high max rate

436
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,560
 with a lower total percentage of coverage.

437
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,560
 I also think that as you said previously that we probably need to look at the results of this program

438
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,560
 and maybe have more discussion and more decision suggestion.

439
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,560
 If you do some demographics that we can look at.

440
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:03,560
 Right. One thing that we have already redrafted at the invite NMVP application.

441
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:10,560
 We're going to start capturing what trips are you going to shift to a bike

442
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,560
 instead of a single occupancy vehicle by this engine. What does that look like?

443
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,560
 As we gather that data this year, we can look at the first six months whenever we come back and start planning

444
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,560
 for next year's program. That will give us time to research.

445
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:32,560
 There's a lot of new e-bike programs out there. Let's see if anybody else is doing a tiered system with that.

446
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:40,560
 I've seen income verification on some of them so that there's a lower income level that gets a higher rebate.

447
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:47,560
 But I haven't seen it yet with an entry level price bike. I wasn't looking for it.

448
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:53,560
 I can go out and search for that too and bring back any information that we can find on that to help us guide the program for the next year.

449
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,560
 I think that would be really helpful.

450
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,560
 There's so many different ways to go down for other trails with this. It's fun.

451
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,560
 Any more discussion on e-bikes?

452
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,560
 Sorry, we're still here. Discussion. I was also thinking, again, this is a new program.

453
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,560
 Shifting it over here programmatically makes a ton of sense.

454
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:23,560
 Also adding, say I'm going to a bike shop, say I'm ordering online or whatever, on my ticket, my receipt, this is my first new bike.

455
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:30,560
 I need a helmet. I need a u-lock. That helps me, again, on that confidence that I'm going to use this equipment and feel safe about using it.

456
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:38,560
 I just wonder if we can add those necessary safety elements as part of that program.

457
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:46,560
 It's not like we're separating seat belts from our EV program. I think it just makes sense to incorporate a lock and a helmet at minimum

458
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:56,560
 if it's requested under the rebate to help people feel confident that they can safely use the equipment we're helping centerize.

459
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:04,560
 From looking at invoices, that's not something I'm seeing on most of them.

460
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:13,560
 It could be they're making that as an Amazon purchase and they're purchasing a bike direct from a vendor.

461
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:21,560
 I wouldn't even know where to go about setting a rebate or a reimbursement for that.

462
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:28,560
 Perhaps that's something we also tack on later when we move to some critical markets.

463
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:37,560
 I haven't thought about that yet. It's like seventh grade math that makes me think there would be like $25 plus,

464
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:46,560
 and that's just for your safety equipment, plus X percent of the total cost of the bike. That's more math for it.

465
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,560
 It's another vendor. It's another receipt, probably. Potentially. It's a neat idea.

466
00:36:52,560 --> 00:37:02,560
 Any more? Two more comments, so sorry. Again, I apologize for being here for the August discussion.

467
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:10,560
 Thoughts about the water conservation program, since it's mission appropriate for where the sustainability fund is focused.

468
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,560
 I see air quality and we're talking about land use stuff and things like that.

469
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:26,560
 I was thinking about rainfall sensors and automatic irrigation timing and system programs that we could help people cut back those upfront costs,

470
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:38,560
 especially if they're shifting from an existing manual system or just a time system that helps incorporate what's going on around environmentally that helps reduce that water usage.

471
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:45,560
 Just thinking of my neighbor across the street that likes to water every other day and it rained that morning and we're going to water that afternoon.

472
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:56,560
 Knowing that 75 percent of our water goes toward irrigating lawns, I think that would be a huge literal drop in the bucket to help reduce some of those residential usage.

473
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:06,560
 We have had water conservation strategies in the previous work plans, working with water to see what could be funded through their incentives.

474
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:16,560
 You just mentioned everything that we have been speaking about, smart controllers, moisture sensors, trying to move more to the moisture sensor instead of the rainfall sensor,

475
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,560
 the programmable one where they're pulling the weather data.

476
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:35,560
 We're also exploring the irrigation tune-up rebate that would be very similar to the AC tune-up so that they could choose their own company to come out and do it and then we could rebate that.

477
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:44,560
 If there is a concern about any of that coming out of the water fund, then we will bring it back to you to see about funding it in this work plan.

478
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,560
 I know that we're lowballing our proposed expenditure compared to our anticipated program revenue.

479
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,560
 So I'm just wondering if there is opportunities for, you know, we have a little bit more in the fund than we anticipated.

480
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,560
 Maybe that we could pull over to those new items if that is an opportunity to come up.

481
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,560
 Absolutely, and that's why we did go ahead and list them as additional considerations here.

482
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:11,560
 If we do have an increase or it looks like we're going to meet the budget this year or exceed it, then we will come back.

483
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:20,560
 But rather than program up to the budget and get underperform as we've seen in previous years, we kind of left some of that to have some flexibility moving forward.

484
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:32,560
 Final question, I promise. The private restoration project, are these new areas that parks have identified for this type of initiative or are we going back to Bowling Green and that strip along Colorado?

485
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:40,560
 We are still going back to that. We have a big project with Bowling Green with the Parks Department to go in and do that restoration work.

486
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:50,560
 So we will be back there and then seeing how that works and then moving forward from there.

487
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:59,560
 Tying in with the water conservation, has there been any discussion of promotion of zero escaping?

488
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:13,560
 Yes, we promote that every year. We have annual activities and classes. You'll hear about it in a current presentation today. I believe some of the more successful classes.

489
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:20,560
 And one other question about the air monitors. How many air monitors are there?

490
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,560
 There are a dozen.

491
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,560
 And are they owned by the city?

492
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,560
 Yes.

493
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:34,560
 And is there some place where the results of the monitoring is available on the internet?

494
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:46,560
 Not yet. The last four monitors were installed this week Tuesday and they are all up and reporting and we will be bringing that back.

495
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:57,560
 We saw the siting plan in a previous presentation for last year. So we will bring it back and let you know exactly where they landed and the information that we are seeing.

496
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,560
 So on the website then they could have a map showing where the monitors are?

497
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:10,560
 We will have data that will be uploaded. We are planning on doing it monthly. So we will pull that in.

498
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,560
 Thank you. Any other questions?

499
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,560
 Was that something that was regulatory or was it just voluntary?

500
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,560
 It was regulatory. Just neighborhood level monitors. Information only.

501
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,560
 That's great. And there will be indications of what we are monitoring for?

502
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,560
 Absolutely.

503
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,560
 Any other discussion? Thanks Catherine.

504
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:49,560
 Next item is to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding an annual summary of sustainability education, outreach, and social media metrics for fiscal year 2023-24.

505
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:57,560
 So as we jump into this, you might notice we have a full contingent from the sustainability division over here today.

506
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:06,560
 So if we are talking about all of the education outreach that we have done, we will just have everybody wave and say who they are as we go through this.

507
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,560
 So you can put a name to the face. Go ahead.

508
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:17,560
 Hi everyone. My name is Julissa Amador. I am the senior program coordinator in the sustainability department. It's good to meet everybody.

509
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:23,560
 Hello, my name is Lily Garcia. I am one of the engagement coordinators.

510
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:33,560
 My name is Kim Jennings. I am also an engagement coordinator, but I focus on the dense, stable streets program under sustainability. Very nice to meet you all.

511
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:42,560
 Hi, I am Shelby Robertson. I am a conservation program coordinator. My focus is on water conservation and it's really nice to meet all of you.

512
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:50,560
 Hi everyone. Nice to meet you guys. My name is Caitlin Davis. I am also a conservation program coordinator in the sustainability department.

513
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,560
 I focus on energy conservation and air quality.

514
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,560
 Meredith?

515
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,560
 Meredith is in the new face as well, so go ahead.

516
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,560
 Meredith Ellens and I am the administrative assistant.

517
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,560
 So you will start seeing emails from Meredith coordinators. And Karen Berger.

518
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,560
 Hi, I am Karen Berger.

519
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,560
 Good to see you for the first time to you.

520
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,560
 And I am the sustainability engagement coordinator. I am happy to meet with you.

521
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,560
 I am a wrangler.

522
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,560
 Tell everyone to go teach classes and things.

523
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,560
 But yeah, this is just a recap of our education and outreach efforts for this past fiscal year.

524
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:40,560
 We are going to cover a little bit of the background of our sustainability education, which includes recycling education, the Dent and Sustainable Schools Program, and our sustainability education, along with outreach and events, an overcap of our social media, and then some of our upcoming stuff.

525
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:50,560
 So a very condensed background. Our recycling education really expanded in January of 2021, and it keeps expanding each year since then.

526
00:43:50,560 --> 00:44:02,560
 The Dent and Sustainable Schools Program was established in 2004 with a full program relaunch in fall of 2022, and we've had a full program in these school years since.

527
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:13,560
 And then our sustainability education launched in 2007 with Dent and ISD field trips out at Clear Creek National Heritage Center and has evolved and expanded over the past 15 years.

528
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:27,560
 So specifically for our recycling education, the focus of this education is on reducing contamination that comes into our material recovery facility, which is Pratt Recycling.

529
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:35,560
 And to help with this education, we do tours. Tours are provided for residents, HOAs, businesses, schools, and community organizations.

530
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:45,560
 And they actually go out to Pratt, which is what this picture is, and you can actually see the sorting floor where they have their big pile of recycling and then all the machines that kind of sort it.

531
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:58,560
 They also do education and outreach, which we'll touch on a little more in the next slide, but these are like tabling events, going out to schools and holding discussions at HOAs about how to properly recycle, things like that.

532
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:04,560
 And then also their market strategy, which, again, I'll explain a little more in another slide.

533
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:13,560
 These are some pictures of our recycling education. This first one is Recycling Bingo, which is a new education tool that we've utilized a lot this past year.

534
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:22,560
 We go to multi-family complexes and do a little bingo game by holding up an item and say, "Is this recycled or not?" And they try to get a bingo, we give them a prize.

535
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:28,560
 And what's really cool about this specific picture is this is actually a leasing agent at this complex running it for us.

536
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:36,560
 So a lot of these agents are invested in their residents recycling, right, even if we aren't the ones coming out and providing that education.

537
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:52,560
 And then this other picture is from a Pratt tour with members from the UNT Zero Waste Textile Initiative, and we collaborated with them during UNT Move Out this last school year.

538
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:58,560
 We set up dumpsters for people to drop off their textiles that they don't want anymore, so clothing donations basically.

539
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:11,560
 And then we had a sort-a-thon at our office to sort out all the clothes so that they can be taken by this Zero Waste Textile Initiative out to be reused and repurposed and whatever else they did with those.

540
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:32,560
 So the market strategy for our recycling, some really big things they did this year was they filmed an advertisement in collaboration with Denton Television, Denton Police Department, Engar High School to create an ad that goes out when they broadcast the high school football games.

541
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:38,560
 So all the DISD football games will have this ad, and we'll see that in just a second.

542
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:49,560
 They also set up a Golden Triangle mall ad, and this can be changed out quarterly to meet any other sustainability or recycling education goals that you'd like to meet.

543
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:58,560
 They recorded an ad for the Spanish radio station, which is a demographic that we are looking to advertise to more.

544
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:11,560
 There is also a collaboration with UNT and Denton Television to film an ad for Halftime to Play on the big screen at all UNT football games about recycling correctly.

545
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:22,560
 And one future initiative that they were looking for is putting ads on shopping carts for things like not bagging recyclables and what to put in our recycling program.

546
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,560
 And this is that DISD ad.

547
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:33,560
 And here comes the kicker, ready to make the play.

548
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,560
 He just missed it, and it looks like there's a flag on the play.

549
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,560
 The kicker didn't properly prepare his recycling. Remember folks, bagged recyclables can't be processed correctly.

550
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:48,560
 The kicker will now reset for another attempt, showing the correct way to recycle in Denton.

551
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,560
 And it's good!

552
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,560
 Perfect execution.

553
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:58,560
 Great job team, let's keep you recycling empty, clean, dry, and unbagged.

554
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:05,560
 Yeah, so these ads are meant to be kind of fun and eye-catching, and it plays during football games, so it is a football themed ad.

555
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:15,560
 We do have one coming up for UNT's basketball season that we're filming a new one that is basketball themed, so it kind of relates.

556
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:21,560
 So our Denton Sustainable Schools program, this is where we go out to all the schools in Denton.

557
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:29,560
 It is focused a lot on Denton ISD, but we do also do other private schools, we do early education schools, things like that as well.

558
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:41,560
 They run a lot of tours, so these schools have the option to go to the Pratt Recycling Center, the water treatment plant, beneficial reuse, and home chemical collection, and the landfill for tours.

559
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:53,560
 So these are things that if a teacher has a certain teak's point that they want to get out that could be helped by a field trip, they can get in contact and we can provide that for free for them.

560
00:48:53,560 --> 00:49:08,560
 They provide a ton of different educations, teachers can request a speaker on any sort of sustainability topic, so we do recycling, local food, air quality, climate, environmental stewardship, wildlife.

561
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:16,560
 And we even say, like, if you have another topic that is about sustainability, let us know and we'll come up with something for you.

562
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,560
 So again, it can work into their lessons plans.

563
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,560
 May I interrupt and ask a question?

564
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,560
 Yes.

565
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:28,560
 What sort of presentations do you give if somebody asks for something on climate?

566
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:43,560
 So we've actually only, last year we only had one request for a climate talk and it was actually from a Girl Scout troop, so it wasn't at any of our schools, but they specifically requested a climate change talk and how it's affecting our current world.

567
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:56,560
 I was the one who gave that and I developed it, so I basically explained what climate change is, explained, you know, the different levels of our atmosphere and what happens when the gas gets trapped in, and then how that affects our planet.

568
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,560
 And then did, like, a little activity with them about that.

569
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,560
 That's great. Thank you.

570
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:08,560
 So, like I said, they can request any sort of education and we will do our best to provide it.

571
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:21,560
 Most of our things are taught by speakers, us, everyone here who has their main focus matter, and then I kind of do everything, a little bit of everything with their input as well.

572
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:32,560
 This past year we had 17 schools participate in this program, and one way that we keep them participating and not just signed up and not doing anything is through school challenges.

573
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:41,560
 So we have the recycling audit challenge where students are trained to go out and look in their recycling bins and make sure that it's recyclable materials in there.

574
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:54,560
 They basically report the percentage of contamination they see, and they submit it as just like a form that gets them back to us, and then it's checked off that, you know, they have an audit, and whoever has the most audits that year wins that challenge.

575
00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:01,560
 And then we also have the sustainability activity challenge, and this can be if they go on a tour, if they request a speaker, those count.

576
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:12,560
 If they borrow some of our STEM kits, we have STEM kits that teachers can rent out, and they can keep as long as they need to, and then they return it to us when they're done.

577
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:19,560
 That can count, or working in their school garden, or if they have a recycling event at the school, those can all count.

578
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:28,560
 And at the end of the year it's separated into elementary school, middle school, high school, and other, that's like early education or private schools and things like that.

579
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,560
 And the top three winners of each of those categories get prizes.

580
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:53,560
 These can include STEM kits that they own and keep at their school, it can be garden supplies, it can be other reasonable requests that revolve around sustainability, and we try to get them what they might need to keep teaching sustainable topics in the school.

581
00:51:53,560 --> 00:52:04,560
 So the pictures on here are some of the winners from this past year, and they all got STEM kits for, they chose STEM kits for their reward, so that's what those pictures are.

582
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:16,560
 These are some pictures from sustainable schools, this one on your left is a career day, we go out to a bunch of career days at schools and provide recycling education.

583
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:32,560
 Most of the time we do sometimes do sustainable education too, and a lot of the times we have one of our truck driver and operators come out and teach the kids how their trash is actually picked up at the curb and then explain where it goes afterwards, and they also talk about safety around these cars and carts when they're out.

584
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:39,560
 Then on the far side that's an after school program, we have a big parachute because hands on games are the best way for kids to learn.

585
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:52,560
 So this is just one of the games we play, we'll throw a certain material on it, ask if it's recyclable, and if it's not we try to get them to bounce it off, so just a fun way for them to be engaged.

586
00:52:52,560 --> 00:53:06,560
 So sustainability education, we do, we cover a whole bunch of topics, these are kind of, some of our more popular ones are water and energy conservation, wildlife and wildfire, which includes native landscaping, zero scaping, things like that.

587
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:14,560
 Air quality, local food, we do climate as well, so pretty much anything sustainable we're going to try to talk about.

588
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:23,560
 And then our outreach, we do pop up events at popular places, this just includes setting up a table at a place and interacting with anyone that comes by.

589
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:38,560
 So in the past this has been a lot at city facilities like libraries and our rec centers, but we're trying to branch out more to non-city places so that we can reach kind of a wider audience to people who might not visit libraries and things like that.

590
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:44,560
 We have a table at universities, that's that picture here, we're at UNT talking to Scrappy.

591
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:53,560
 And then we do a lot of community events, so these are city led events as well as outside organizations, like we'll be at Day of the Dead tomorrow.

592
00:53:53,560 --> 00:54:08,560
 Here's some of our tables from these, this first one shows our big prize wheel, which is a big hit for a lot of the kids, the middle one's at Redbud and then the last one over there is one of our tables at UNT.

593
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:14,560
 One of our highlights, we did get two awards this year from the Texas Environmental Leadership Award.

594
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:25,560
 So the SysMirror Sustainability Leadership Award was for our Recycling Education Program and the Environmental Awareness Education Award was for the Dentons Sustainable Schools Program.

595
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:36,560
 They also gave two presentations, one at STAR, which is the Texas State of Alliance for Recycling, which was a panel that Kim sat on to talk about Dentons Sustainable Schools.

596
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:43,560
 And then at Texelana, it was a presentation over our Recycling Market Strategy.

597
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:51,560
 This is a bit of a breakdown of our community outreach, we have just under 11,000 total attendance for all of our events and tabling.

598
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:58,560
 You can see a little over half of that attendance comes from tabling, because those are bigger events where people just come by and talk and can go.

599
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:12,560
 But our presentations, which is 34, those are our informational classes, so that's when we stand up and give a little PowerPoint to people to educate them about whatever topic it is, like wildlife or native planting or composting, whatever.

600
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:21,560
 Our tours make up about 3%, activity is basically any hands-on event that we do, so these include most of our kids' classes, because most of them are hands-on.

601
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:34,560
 As well as big events like World Migratory Bird Day, Christmas Bird Count, things like that, and then meetings tend to be the meetings we have with multi-family complexes about their recycling.

602
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:45,560
 This is a breakdown of the location and attendance, so we try to get as much of Denton as possible so that people have the opportunity to come learn about sustainability and recycling as much as possible.

603
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:53,560
 We did a pretty good job about hitting most of the city this past year, but we want to branch out even more this upcoming year.

604
00:55:53,560 --> 00:56:02,560
 And now for our social media. This is a big part of our outreach, because even people who don't come to our events still see our social media.

605
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:10,560
 There's also people outside of Denton that follow our social media. There's people outside of the United States that follow our social media, for whatever reason.

606
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:17,560
 But we have two social medias that we run. We have Sustainable Denton, and then we have the Solid Waste and Recycling pages as well.

607
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:27,560
 So on Sustainable Denton, we do things that help us with our certification. So earlier this year, we applied for Bird City, Texas. We're still waiting to see if we are awarded that.

608
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:39,560
 But this was one point they like us to help with the Lights Out initiative for migratory birds, so that's what we use our social media to help with that, spread that message, what peak migration is, things like that.

609
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:47,560
 We also do general sustainability tips, so that's kind of on the end there. That sustainable tip of the week is about energy conservation.

610
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:57,560
 And in the middle is from our Solid Waste Recycling page. We don't only want to tell people where to throw things away. We want to reduce waste.

611
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:09,560
 So things like using, this is at the Forge at the North Branch Library, so using city resources to repair your shirt with the sewing machine they have there. We want people to have less waste in general.

612
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:18,560
 We also use it to advertise for our events. So this is an event brochure that we're now putting out quarterly with everything that we have scheduled.

613
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:32,560
 This was one of our first ones, so this is August/September, but they will be in three or four month increments as we go. The one down at the end there is the fan pickup, so big events we also advertise so that more people in the community know about them.

614
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:44,560
 And then of course our wildlife stewardship. It's something that we offer to help with our community wildlife habitat certification. So it's just some information on that.

615
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:59,560
 These are some of our upcoming outreach events. Like I said, we're at Day of the Dead tomorrow. We have a Landfill and Recycling Tour for the UNT. We have Gardening with Pitch and Scrafts and Denton's Wildlife Habitat Program, which are two informational classes.

616
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:15,560
 Texas Recycle Day is November 16th, which is a large-scale drop-up event for Denton residents. We have Stream Clean December 7th, which is an annual event that our department puts on every single year. And then starting in January with another class, Beginner Conference.

617
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,560
 That's it. Any questions?

618
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:32,560
 Thank you for the presentation. That's great. I really like the tours. I think it's important for people to see, you know, the kids especially to see where the trash goes. Don't give up perception that we live on. It disappears.

619
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:40,560
 And when you go do those tours and you see those piles, you know, it's really impactful. So it's great work that we do.

620
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:56,560
 Yeah, just congrats on the awards and also thank you. Your whole team is awesome. Everything you're doing. One quick question, but I don't know if it's allowable, but you mentioned a big part of education is on recycling and using contamination.

621
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:17,560
 And we've had discussions in the past about that. I just wondered if you had an update on how we're doing. Are you seeing, I thought we were seeing continued improvements through the education. Yes, yeah. I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head. That's also not my exact area, but we have been seeing continual improvements with our target strategy.

622
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:31,560
 We can ask our subways director what the contamination percentage is right now. For the month of September, we're at 28% citywide. Remember four years ago, we were above 70%.

623
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:47,560
 Yeah, we're sort of, I don't want to say we're reaching dead pan, but we're reaching those asymptotic areas that significantly, you know, significantly more effort has to go into it. We started our commercial diversion article, so we're requiring all commercial multifamily to recycle.

624
00:59:47,560 --> 01:00:07,560
 So we're seeing some improvements there also, but we're collecting less tonnage curbside, but the march is accepting more tonnage. So at the end of the day, we're net positive on the tons that are actually going back for beneficial reuse. Very little is coming out the back door right now.

625
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:28,560
 I'm slightly connected to Brian's statement. I saw all your metrics about your touch points in the engagement that you have just by total people. Is there any other metric that we use to gauge what is the impact of our education and outreach programs relating to these higher level citywide contamination rates?

626
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:53,560
 How else do you measure your program besides the touch points? Yeah, so we do touch points, we do attendance on classes, and then for our recycling education, we do have the luxury of having contamination rates for, we can pinpoint specific routes, we can pinpoint specific multifamily complexes, so we can target ads out to high, you know, contamination areas.

627
01:00:53,560 --> 01:01:07,560
 We are looking at how to do that on a sustainable side. It's a little bit harder since we don't have the direct route to route that the recycling does have.

628
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:35,560
 Yes, so very nice presentation. Indeed, you're a wonderful group, and you do a good job in sustainability. What I've noticed is that most of your outreach and sustainability education is on recycling. You touched a little bit on reusing, but I would suggest to increase education on reuse and reduce.

629
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:56,560
 So let's cover all three R's. We do have outreach related to that. I will say recycling is a big one because we're trying to reduce the contamination of the recycling coming in, but especially with our sustainable schools program and with our other just sustainable education, we do reduce and reuse as well.

630
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:19,560
 We can make bingos for those. And I would like to invite you to TWU with a table for our Earth Day and also Texas Wildflower Day, which was initiated on TWU campus, and we revived it last year and we continue. So that will be in August, in April, sorry.

631
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:47,560
 Anybody else? Yeah, this is another robust program. It's really great. We have so much happening. I am curious about the fact that only one request was received for a discussion on climate change, and that's nothing on you folks, it's just how the system works.

632
01:02:47,560 --> 01:03:14,560
 And I wondered, knowing that, well there was this recent study that the Yale Climate Science people did on how climate change affects young people and how concerned they are, and it was remarkable from grade school up to, especially high school, there's a great deal of anxiety amongst young people.

633
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:35,560
 And I think that an outreach that would help educate these people so that the kids, so that they won't be stressed, so that they know what's happening and what can be done to stop it, would be something of great value.

634
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:54,560
 And I wondered if, maybe you've already done it, I'm not aware of it, but any sort of outreach programs strictly for explaining climate change, like Climate Change 101, rather than waiting for someone to request it, if it could become more a part of your curriculum.

635
01:03:54,560 --> 01:04:22,560
 So we, in the past, have had Air Quality 101, which is not exactly the same, but close. And it was, at the time, not a super popular class, so we've actually been having a total revamp of our class offerings, starting in this, the end of this year and the coming end of the new year has been our kind of total revamp, where we've offered some new classes and we're trying to get what people want out there.

636
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:37,560
 And air quality and climate is certainly a topic that we want to touch on again. Our recent ones have been focused on water conservation, we had a Terp alternatives class earlier this month that has been our most popular class by far in a long time.

637
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:55,560
 So we're kind of trying to make sure we build up appropriate programming that gives good education, so we can kind of, you know, ease that anxiety. But climate and air quality is one that we are going to revamp coming in this year.

638
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:05,560
 Great. At this point, do you have any, like when you go out to the park, do you have any handouts about climate change?

639
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:14,560
 Not climate change specifically, we do have air quality, we follow Air North Texas, we have a lot of their promotional material, but nothing specific on climate right now.

640
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:20,560
 Oh, I hope that maybe in the future something like that could be generated. It's the big thing on the horizon.

641
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,560
 Yes.

642
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,560
 Alright, this is great. Thank you.

643
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:24,560
 Thank you.

644
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,560
 Any other comments? Thank you very much.

645
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,560
 Thank you.

646
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:41,560
 Alright, next is receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the internal revenue service clean energy and vehicle credits.

647
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:48,560
 You'll like this because it's got lots of numbers in it.

648
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,560
 And Michael's going to give them this one. Thank you.

649
01:05:52,560 --> 01:06:01,560
 Chair and members of the committee, Michael Gagne, Director of Environmental Services and Sustainability, glad to be here. I'm actually going to go to slide two, just have it up there just for clarity.

650
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:06,560
 The city is not a tax expert, we're not providing legal advice, we're not providing tax advice.

651
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:16,560
 The goal here is to raise awareness on what programs the IRS have and then the qualified individuals or entities could then claim.

652
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:23,560
 So this is just an awareness. I'm by no means an expert. I got volunteered into it, so I'm here.

653
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:31,560
 But it's very important to go over because I want to make sure the community and everyone knows what is or what may be available to them.

654
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:36,560
 So is that enough of a disclaimer? I believe so.

655
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:52,560
 So to get into it, I'm going to go over five main topics today. We're going to touch on clean vehicles, home energy, how builders can do energy efficient homes, energy efficiency in commercial buildings, as well as alternative fuel vehicle refueling property.

656
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,560
 So in other words, how you can fuel alternative fuel vehicles.

657
01:06:55,560 --> 01:07:10,560
 First, on the clean vehicle credit, there's multiple categories here. Let's see things, there's different levels for different types of vehicles. It's both new, used, and commercial. So everything is covered.

658
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:26,560
 For new vehicles that were bought in 2023 or after, so if they were bought, say, this year, they potentially, depending on the taxpayer status, are eligible for a credit up to $7,500 off that purchase price.

659
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:40,560
 There's some details on here that talk back through some things in the past, breaking out if it was bought in early part of '23, if it was bought after that, different things. I want to make sure it's clear not everyone qualifies.

660
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:54,560
 So there's at least six primary criteria as shown on the side here. There's taxpayer income, there's vehicle type, purchase price, there's actually a cap on what the vehicle can be priced at to be eligible.

661
01:07:54,560 --> 01:08:06,560
 But all that's in there, the reference, the links in the presentation should be working, I didn't confirm it, should be working out of the PDF on the website as well that will help the public jump straight over to that.

662
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:13,560
 And also throughout the presentation there are direct URLs as well. So that's for new vehicles.

663
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:24,560
 Then if they were bought in the past, it's similar up to the $7,500, but it was credited based on the kilowatt hours or the capacity of the vehicle.

664
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:30,560
 Just wanted to put that out there. Again, they have to meet that same qualification criteria as on the prior slide.

665
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:45,560
 Used vehicles, so this is things that are bought after January 1st of 2023, this is shown that they can qualify for a credit of 30% of the sale price, up to a maximum of $4,000.

666
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:55,560
 So it's similar, but different. And again, it has to be purchased from a licensed dealer, unfortunately, the way I read the law.

667
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:03,560
 If you buy from your neighbor, you may not qualify. You may not, I'm not going to say it away, but may not.

668
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:12,560
 Commercial clean vehicles, again, it can be a tax credit up to $40,000, depending on what they're buying and how they're buying that.

669
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:17,560
 So that's a large amount of money to help offset that purchase as well.

670
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:29,560
 Moving into home energy tax credits, which kind of tie into some of what you heard earlier on the Green Sense program. So these are things that are eligible for a lot of things we locally incentivize or rebate to help move along.

671
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:37,560
 This category covers that as well. They have to claim them, or they're claimed in the year they actually are made.

672
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:44,560
 So if you make it during a tax year, you claim it against the income for that tax year.

673
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:55,560
 It's available for primary residences. Renters may also be able to claim. There are some caveats in the code that if you are a renter and do certain improvements, there are ways to qualify.

674
01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:01,560
 Second homes that are actually used as a residence also have limited qualifications as well.

675
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:12,560
 So for people who are lucky enough or scary enough to have dual properties, possibly can claim it on both properties.

676
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:18,560
 You can never do it on homes that you don't use as a residence. So let's say you own a home and you're using that home as a barbershop.

677
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:26,560
 That barbershop wouldn't qualify for this part of the tax credit. Does that make sense?

678
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:31,560
 Again, energy.gov is a great resource to redo all this.

679
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:41,560
 Under the energy efficiency home improvements, you can do things like doors, windows, insulation, air conditioners, water heaters, furnaces.

680
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:51,560
 All different things. Basically, back in the tax year 2022, it was 30% up to a lifetime max of $500.

681
01:10:51,560 --> 01:11:00,560
 However, purchases made from 2023 through 2032, it's 30% up to a maximum of $1,200.

682
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:06,560
 And if you're doing heat pumps or some other qualified, the annual credit could be up to $2,000.

683
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:16,560
 So that's a little bit different, and there's no lifetime limit during the period from 2023 through 2032.

684
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:22,560
 And again, I'll answer as best I can.

685
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:30,560
 Can, if you apply for the green sense program, can you also take advantage of these?

686
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,560
 There is nothing that our rebus of the green sense program prohibits this or restricts this usage.

687
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:44,560
 There are ways that the rebate would lower the purchase price, which may then lower the eligibility claimed here.

688
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:53,560
 So in other words, if we rebated from $10,000 to $7,500, they may only be able to claim the $7,500 to calculate their tax credit.

689
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,560
 Does that make sense? Yeah.

690
01:11:55,560 --> 01:12:01,560
 And again here, the whole URL is at the bottom for more details for anybody listening, watching, whatever.

691
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:06,560
 The whole URL is there, and thanks to Chair Sote saying it did actually work on the PDF as well.

692
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,560
 So we tried to make sure that worked, but every once in a while, technology breaks.

693
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,560
 Then there's the residential clean energy credit.

694
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:23,560
 The residential clean energy credit looks at things like solar, wind, geothermal, fuel cells, and they added battery storage beginning in 2023.

695
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,560
 So it covers all of those type of issues.

696
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:32,560
 There's different levels of possible credit.

697
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:42,560
 You'll notice that primarily it's the same all the way out through 2032, that it tears down, and right now it would fall off the books in 2034.

698
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:52,560
 That's the program as by the IRS at this point, but that's looking outwardly for basically 10 years from now to be able to claim expenses during the years those improvements are made.

699
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:59,560
 And again, the URL is at the bottom, which will give you much more details on how you can do that.

700
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,560
 Now we're moving over to builders.

701
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,560
 So we have a lot of building going on in debt, as we know, new construction, everything else.

702
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:15,560
 So builders actually have ways that they may qualify as well as they're doing construction to where they can reduce the cost being passed on to hopefully the consumer.

703
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:24,560
 Again, they have to meet some really strict requirements under the Internal Revenue Code, specifically Section 45L.

704
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:30,560
 Homes acquired or touched between 2023 and 2032.

705
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:38,560
 If they're meeting Energy Star or zero energy rated home, they could qualify up to $5,000 per home.

706
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:46,560
 Homes acquired after 2023, depending on requirements, they could rate between $1,000 and $2,000.

707
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:56,560
 So every little bit helps because if we're spending an extra $1,500 or $2,000 to have more insulation or a higher rating factor on the HVAC system,

708
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,560
 this credit could help those builders then reduce that burden to that buyer.

709
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:08,560
 Because the ultimate goal is to hopefully have as lowest energy demand on the new construction as we can.

710
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,560
 Now we get into actual commercial buildings.

711
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,560
 And so we have acronyms on here.

712
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,560
 My brain just went dead on the DRP.

713
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,560
 The Energy Efficiency Commercial Building Program is the EECB.

714
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:28,560
 The Energy Efficiency Building Rehab Program, Rehabilitation Program, came to me.

715
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:33,560
 It is the RBP that didn't fit on the slide, so I had to use acronyms, I apologize.

716
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:40,560
 So this is when you go into a commercial building and you're going to upgrade it, do some changes,

717
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,560
 whether you're rehabbing it or improving it, there's different things that can qualify.

718
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:50,560
 The primary focus is on lighting, of course heating and cooling, and the building envelope.

719
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:54,560
 So it's basically the three primary areas to look at for overall energy efficiency.

720
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:59,560
 A lot of commercial buildings lighting can be a very large demand, we're seeing some good savings in the city

721
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,560
 for going to LED, probably even from high-end fluorescent.

722
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:07,560
 Heating and cooling is probably their largest domain, depending on how the building is occupied.

723
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,560
 And then the building envelope is always tough to change once you construct it,

724
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:15,560
 so some people don't want to spend the money on it because it's not fancy to look at.

725
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:21,560
 So the deduction, and I'm not going to do the math here, so if you all want to do math, you can.

726
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:30,560
 So it's the cost of the actual install property or the savings calculated per square foot.

727
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,560
 So they want you to look at both of those things.

728
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,560
 So if your savings are exceeding the install cost, then you get the install cost.

729
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,560
 If your install cost is greater than what you're going to see on savings,

730
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,560
 you can write off the savings the way I understand this.

731
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,560
 So it's kind of a two-tiered look, but that's how they're balancing it.

732
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:52,560
 And that might tie back to some discussions earlier on other things within the GreenSense program.

733
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:58,560
 This may be another way for us to look at things on how we maybe want to change our readings.

734
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:04,560
 But I won't do that math, but that's where it is.

735
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,560
 Now we get into alternative fuel vehicle refueling.

736
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:13,560
 So if we're starting to think about either hydrogen, different things, even EV qualifies.

737
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:18,560
 So businesses or individuals, both that either dispense clean burning fuel

738
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:25,560
 or to recharge electric vehicles, have possible tax credits.

739
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:31,560
 Now there are specific census tracts that apply to certain properties on this.

740
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,560
 There are parts of debt that aren't covered in that on the map.

741
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,560
 Not all of debt is covered, if I remember correctly.

742
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,560
 But if you click the link under eligible census tracts,

743
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:47,560
 it jumps you right to that interactive map and you can see where your property is located and see how that fits.

744
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,560
 Everything else in there is similar to what we've already talked about.

745
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,560
 Basically it has to be in-server. You get to take the rebate during the tax year.

746
01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:00,560
 They have to begin by the original use by the actual taxpayer.

747
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,560
 So they want that it's a business. The way I understand it, the business installs it.

748
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:10,560
 They want them to use it first before they transfer it to something else, kind of things like that.

749
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,560
 Kind of without said, it's supposed to be primarily used in the U.S. and U.S. territories.

750
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:20,560
 That seems to be a little unnecessary, but it's there.

751
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:26,560
 The amount of credit, and again this is more math for people who love math and a very busy slide.

752
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,560
 I just threw out the summary statements off the IRS website.

753
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:37,560
 As you can read, as you go down through it, a lot of them are limited out at roughly $100,000 for each single piece.

754
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:48,560
 Other ones have a lower, select consumers who do an EV charging that were done back between 2022

755
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:53,560
 or basically during calendar year 2012, 2022 through 2030.

756
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:58,560
 They'll be eligible for 30% of the cost with a maximum of $1,000.

757
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:07,560
 So if they're spending $1,500 to do that, if it's 30%, that's $450. Does that make sense?

758
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:13,560
 With a max of $1,000. I don't want to mistake there, but I think when I was looking at that $1,000,

759
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:20,560
 you could do, if you have a two-bay garage, you charge in each bay, you can charge both,

760
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:25,560
 and that's where that max would come in. So in other words, how that works.

761
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:37,560
 And the last part's a little bit tricky, but there are credits for things that were done before 2023

762
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,560
 and how that can work back through the tax law as well.

763
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:50,560
 So, same caveat I started with, with the overall URL here, taking you back over to the IRS website.

764
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,560
 It's a lot of great information there. I've built slides just trying to simplify it a little bit.

765
01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:00,560
 There are PDFs there, one, two, three, four-page flyers that help walk you through it.

766
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:06,560
 There's even a decision-maker, if you're looking at, say, solar, there's a way to work through it,

767
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,560
 look at the investment, what your cost return may be, and how you want to make those choices.

768
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,560
 There's a lot of different things out there through their website that also jumps you over to the Department of Energy.

769
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:23,560
 So with that, again, I'll stand for any questions. Questions?

770
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:31,560
 Go back to the commercial builders, because that's obviously happening a lot,

771
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:38,560
 and I feel like outside of the transportation sector, one of the big areas was buildings.

772
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:43,560
 Can you help us think about how does a commercial builder think?

773
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,560
 Are they looking for these kinds of incentives because it saves them money, or not,

774
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:58,560
 because they want to build cheaply, and then the energy cost for that existing home goes on to where it inhabits it.

775
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:07,560
 If they're not thinking about it, does a city have a plan to, I mean, we're doing it right now, getting this information out.

776
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,560
 Are there other ways where you try to connect with commercial builders to make sure...

777
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,560
 Let me make sure I'm hearing you. Are you saying commercial buildings or commercial builders?

778
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,560
 Builders.

779
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:22,560
 I want to go back to when they were doing it for builders of energy efficiency.

780
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,560
 Yes.

781
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,560
 Okay. I can't speak to how they're really doing that.

782
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:34,560
 I know anecdotally that there are things that go, that there are builders claiming it.

783
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:40,560
 I'm trying to find out, there's ways for us to find out who, where, when, how that's being done to get us to understand,

784
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,560
 is it out there a lot? Do people even know about it? Back to your point.

785
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:49,560
 This is, I won't say step one, but this is one of our steps to make sure we start raising awareness on that.

786
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,560
 We're also building an interactive website to do that, different things,

787
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:57,560
 because we want to make sure as much of the community can be aware of everything that can help them with those expenses.

788
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,560
 These are tax credits, not tax deductions.

789
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:06,560
 So the way the credit works, it comes off your actual tax burden, not your taxable income.

790
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:13,560
 So if you owed $20,000 and you're eligible for a $2,000 credit, you then would pay $18,000.

791
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:14,560
 Okay.

792
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,560
 So this is really a dollar for now.

793
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:24,560
 Good. I'm glad that you're doing this because it seems like we could get more energy efficient homes built if there's awareness of this sort of thing.

794
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:25,560
 Correct.

795
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:33,560
 And control that cost, because a lot of our focus is to ensure we also maintain affordability while also being resilient for the future.

796
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:40,560
 And I think that's the best way to do it, too, is to use the builders to encourage especially young home buyers,

797
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,560
 you know, to make them aware of what's available and why it's them,

798
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:50,560
 because they may not be thinking about that and they've got so many other decisions to make.

799
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,560
 Mr. Chair, it's Barak with the PBS, I'll take it right now.

800
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,560
 When you say "we" are pushing this, who within the city is that team?

801
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,560
 It's our department, environmental sustainability.

802
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:05,560
 And now we are going to tie back through development services, other aspects, economic development.

803
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:10,560
 We're working with the Economic Development Partnership Board on some things.

804
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,560
 I wasn't going wrong, EDP.

805
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,560
 There's different avenues, and we're going to try to touch on those in different aspects,

806
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:21,560
 make sure they're aware of it, because you don't know what you don't know, and that happens way too often.

807
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:26,560
 So in my world, the more people we can touch, the more people we get by word of mouth, the better off it is.

808
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:31,560
 It seems like ED is a great place to go, and then two, if it's the reconstruction and things like that,

809
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,560
 maybe building inspections as well.

810
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,560
 It might be nice to know, since they touch so much more of that community than we do.

811
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:44,560
 As an example, we have screenings running in the development services building and different things on there.

812
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,560
 We're going to look at doing different messaging to help that screen through as well,

813
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:53,560
 while we have customers sitting there, waiting to be seen to make sure we're capturing the investment.

814
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:58,560
 That's a free, no-cost solution.

815
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:09,560
 So especially the information related to residential, is this on the city website someplace?

816
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,560
 The link out through the IRS, yes, is there.

817
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,560
 We're being careful not to rephrase what was on there.

818
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:25,560
 These slides are almost direct excerpts on what's out there, because we're not a tax professional or anyone.

819
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:26,560
 So we have to be careful.

820
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:32,560
 But yes, we're doing that, and we're working to do a revamp on that to touch on all different things related to energy efficiency.

821
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,560
 Great. Thank you.

822
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,560
 And I can add, under the rebates and resources, on the city website,

823
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,560
 there is a link to the state energy conservation office, the castle of that information.

824
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:48,560
 That way, if there's a change, we're not trying to update a link, it'll link to theirs, which will be updated.

825
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:54,560
 Great. And I'll just add on to that, also the North Central Texas Council of Governments has their website with different things.

826
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,560
 We're getting better across the metroplex.

827
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:01,560
 We're trying to get some continuity to make sure we're driving things, whether it's state or federal,

828
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,560
 to make sure we're all sending the same message.

829
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:10,560
 Yeah, Netcar probably has more connection with folks like Builders, I believe.

830
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:17,560
 Possibly. Our development services department might differ, but yes.

831
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,560
 Thanks.

832
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,560
 Yes?

833
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:26,560
 My last question, the alternative fuel vehicle refueling property.

834
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,560
 Can you help us imagine what that looks like here in Dent?

835
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,560
 Because we are trying to incentivize EVs.

836
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,560
 One of the constraints we know is charging stations.

837
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:42,560
 Here it looks like some sort of way to get money to build or incentivize more building of them.

838
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:48,560
 What kind of person or property or business would take advantage of this?

839
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:54,560
 It could be anything. The way I understand it, it could be a grocery store. It could be a restaurant.

840
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,560
 Right. If you have space, you can put a truck in it.

841
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:03,560
 It could actually be an employer doing it for their workers as well, possibly.

842
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:10,560
 There's caveats within this, but basically the way I understand it, it could be done basically by everybody.

843
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:16,560
 So it's open to all. It's not limited.

844
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,560
 I don't want to mention names.

845
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:23,560
 The homeowner credit, as I mentioned, is limited, but they could do it.

846
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,560
 They have limited if it's only for their personal use.

847
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:35,560
 That's where it was 30% of the install value up to a maximum of $1,000, the way I read the code.

848
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,560
 That seems like another important reason to do this.

849
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:39,560
 The third point.

850
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:45,560
 Yeah, this awareness raising, because I imagine all of these places, you said it could almost be anybody.

851
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:52,560
 And to your point, if you radio lately different things on the EV side, I'm still on posted,

852
01:25:52,560 --> 01:26:05,560
 but some of the dealers now as an incentive are tying in, providing a certain amount of money towards installing EV charging at value as part of the purchase of the vehicle.

853
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,560
 There's lots of different avenues trying to encourage that.

854
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:14,560
 And we're doing, if you look at nationwide numbers, we're doing pretty well in Denton.

855
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:21,560
 We might not think we see it all the time, but if you look at the number of chargers, we're doing very well. Public chargers.

856
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:26,560
 That'd be a difficult discussion.

857
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,560
 Any more discussion?

858
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:30,560
 Thanks very much.

859
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,560
 Thank you all. Sorry, I'm not a tax professional. I did the best I could.

860
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,560
 Did you do my taxes?

861
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:42,560
 I've done it for too many in my family. Thank you.

862
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:49,560
 Okay, final agenda item. Symmetrics.

863
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,560
 And you have a copy in your backup.

864
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:59,560
 And if we have anything to add to the matrix or any questions about anything on the matrix today.

865
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:04,560
 Any questions or additions?

866
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:10,560
 I'm really interested to know how you recycle plastic.

867
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:19,560
 Because you probably know the California lawsuit against Exxon Valdez and others.

868
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:26,560
 So I'm really interested to know that we recycle and we do not burn them or throw them away.

869
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,560
 Okay, so the end uses.

870
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,560
 Yes.

871
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,560
 Anybody else?

872
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:44,560
 I have an item. I would like to have a mutual meeting with the city council environmental committee.

873
01:27:44,560 --> 01:28:09,560
 To discuss the possibility of the city at some point declaring a climate emergency.

874
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:16,560
 Any other questions or comments?

875
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:42,560
 Nothing. Okay, well then at approximately 2.30. Oh, concluding items. Are there any concluding items? No. Good to go? Okay, so we're closing the meeting at approximately 2.30.

876
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,160
 Wishing everybody a happy Halloween.